Serial Killer Documentary - The Peter Tobin Story

WEBVTT
1
00:00:07.129 --> 00:00:12.109
Serial killers are not uniquely American.
2
00:00:12.230 --> 00:00:15.429
Across the world, murderers commit crimes just as chilling.
3
00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:39.439
Tobin has earned a reputation as a manipulator and pathological liar.
4
00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.039
In the UK, one of the most notorious is Peter Tobin.
5
00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.679
Over the course of 15 years, Peter Tobin killed a
6
00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.920
string of young women.
7
00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.299
He's 60 years old with a criminal history of serious
8
00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:55.140
sex offenses.
9
00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.299
Tobin showed a chilling calculation.
10
00:00:57.340 --> 00:01:00.520
Gave a false name and details, and he has since vanished.
11
00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:04.780
This case became one of the biggest cases in Scottish history.
12
00:01:06.170 --> 00:01:08.870
In prison, he has boasted of killing 48 women. Peter
13
00:01:08.890 --> 00:01:11.590
Tobin is one of Britain's most prolific criminals.
14
00:01:11.609 --> 00:01:15.200
Tobin subjected his victims to horrific acts.
15
00:01:16.540 --> 00:01:18.659
He has this view of who women are. He wants
16
00:01:18.700 --> 00:01:20.260
to rape them, he wants to violate them.
17
00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:24.000
Yet for decades, Tobin deceived everyone.
18
00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:29.780
How are they describing Peter Tobin? Hey, nice guy, personable,
19
00:01:30.299 --> 00:01:31.099
people like him.
20
00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:34.739
Even those closest to him were fools.
21
00:01:35.939 --> 00:01:38.459
I thought he only did this to me.
22
00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.120
I have never been so scared in my entire life.
23
00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:46.659
I'm Beth Karras, and this is Living With a Serial Killer.
24
00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:50.879
September 27th, 2006, Glasgow, Scotland.
25
00:02:00.579 --> 00:02:03.390
Scottish police are looking for a young Polish woman who
26
00:02:03.430 --> 00:02:07.049
had been reported missing two days earlier.
27
00:02:08.189 --> 00:02:11.740
When we heard of the story originally, it was about
28
00:02:11.750 --> 00:02:14.379
a missing person. It was a young woman concerned. She
29
00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.879
was from a different country.
30
00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.909
Angelika Klute, she was a well-educated person from Poland. She
31
00:02:23.969 --> 00:02:26.870
came to Glasgow to make money to better her lifestyle.
32
00:02:28.460 --> 00:02:31.460
Angelica Cluck had come to Glasgow on a working holiday
33
00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:35.319
and very quickly found some work at St. Patrick's Catholic Church.
34
00:02:37.430 --> 00:02:40.469
But when police searched the church where Angelica was last seen,
35
00:02:41.270 --> 00:02:42.409
there's no sign of her.
36
00:02:43.930 --> 00:02:47.289
Police conducted a detailed search of the church where Angelica
37
00:02:47.330 --> 00:02:51.270
Cluck had been staying. The 23-year-old was last seen helping
38
00:02:51.310 --> 00:02:53.669
the church handyman, known as Pat McLaughlin.
39
00:02:56.620 --> 00:03:00.370
So who is Pat McLaughlin? And could he somehow be
40
00:03:00.430 --> 00:03:02.449
involved in Angelica's disappearance?
41
00:03:03.530 --> 00:03:07.289
At first blush, there's nothing about Patrick McLaughlin that's suspicious.
42
00:03:07.669 --> 00:03:10.500
There's nothing about him that would lead anybody to believe
43
00:03:10.509 --> 00:03:12.379
that he's involved in anything nefarious.
44
00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.300
Everyone liked Patrick McLaughlin. He was a very helpful individual.
45
00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:24.270
He was described as personable. He had a bit of
46
00:03:24.310 --> 00:03:27.479
charm about him. And he seemed to get on well
47
00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:32.840
with Angelica. He actually spoke to the police.
48
00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.900
The police officer took a statement from him. He gave
49
00:03:35.939 --> 00:03:38.400
a statement in the name of Patrick McLaughlin when he
50
00:03:38.419 --> 00:03:39.129
had last seen her.
51
00:03:40.870 --> 00:03:43.669
He claims that he doesn't know where she is.
52
00:03:44.750 --> 00:03:46.569
And that's pretty much the end of the story.
53
00:03:46.590 --> 00:03:50.229
There's really nothing to suggest anything terribly suspicious going on.
54
00:03:52.469 --> 00:03:55.770
But within a day, detectives are forced to re-evaluate their
55
00:03:55.849 --> 00:03:57.110
assessment of McLaughlin.
56
00:03:58.370 --> 00:04:01.150
The police officers decide they want to go back and
57
00:04:01.189 --> 00:04:03.569
talk to Patrick McLaughlin again.
58
00:04:03.590 --> 00:04:08.610
Well, suddenly, Patrick McLaughlin is gone.
59
00:04:11.469 --> 00:04:14.569
Whenever you have an individual like this, a witness like this.
60
00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:16.579
They are very, very crucial.
61
00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:19.879
So for this witness to just disappear, I think this
62
00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:21.740
is when he goes from witness to suspect.
63
00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:27.970
Locating McLaughlin becomes a major priority, and police turn to
64
00:04:27.990 --> 00:04:29.029
the media for help.
65
00:04:30.189 --> 00:04:34.310
In my experience, using the media to track down suspects, witnesses,
66
00:04:34.939 --> 00:04:36.660
it is the best way to do it.
67
00:04:37.899 --> 00:04:41.220
Patrick McLaughlin's face is soon appearing on newspapers and news
68
00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:54.540
bulletins across the country. More than 400 miles away from Glasgow,
69
00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.750
on England's south coast, the image of Pat McLaughlin comes
70
00:04:58.790 --> 00:05:01.290
as a shock to one woman in particular.
71
00:05:02.329 --> 00:05:05.949
My aunt phoned me at 9.15 in the morning and said,
72
00:05:05.970 --> 00:05:06.769
turn on the television.
73
00:05:06.810 --> 00:05:10.240
I said, which channel? She said, any channel. So I
74
00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.660
turned the television on in the lounge and I just screamed.
75
00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:15.139
I screamed.
76
00:05:17.379 --> 00:05:20.779
It's an image Kathy Wilson had never expected to see again.
77
00:05:21.420 --> 00:05:25.300
And it raises uncomfortable truths for her teenage son, Daniel.
78
00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:29.199
Daniel came rushing down the staircase. What is it, mum?
79
00:05:29.660 --> 00:05:32.079
And I just sort of shakily pointed at the TV
80
00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:33.420
and he's going, what?
81
00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:36.399
And I said, him. And he said, who is it?
82
00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:38.480
And I said, it's your father.
83
00:05:41.860 --> 00:05:44.259
And as the minutes passed on, I read the name
84
00:05:44.310 --> 00:05:45.560
again and I'm thinking the name's wrong.
85
00:05:47.540 --> 00:05:51.819
The name Kathy Wilson knows this man by is Peter Tobin.
86
00:05:52.990 --> 00:05:56.430
And she is all too aware that he is extremely dangerous.
87
00:05:57.709 --> 00:06:01.629
And then what kicked in was the fear that I've
88
00:06:01.649 --> 00:06:03.410
been living with for years and years and years.
89
00:06:03.889 --> 00:06:07.350
He's on the run. He's coming for me.
90
00:06:11.620 --> 00:06:14.649
A really significant part of this investigation was when the
91
00:06:14.709 --> 00:06:17.970
police received a response saying, this is not Pat McLaughlin.
92
00:06:19.230 --> 00:06:21.910
This is Peter Tobin. He is a convicted sex offender.
93
00:06:25.149 --> 00:06:28.730
This is huge in the investigation.
94
00:06:28.829 --> 00:06:33.970
In 1993, he was convicted for brutally sexually assaulting two teenagers.
95
00:06:36.269 --> 00:06:37.350
He's 60 years old.
96
00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:40.860
With a criminal history of serious sex offenses, including the
97
00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:42.420
rape of a 14-year-old girl.
98
00:06:42.579 --> 00:06:44.279
He is a convicted pedophile.
99
00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:54.399
Detectives are already starting to feel a little anxious about
100
00:06:54.459 --> 00:06:56.000
what may have happened to Ms.
101
00:06:56.060 --> 00:06:56.319
Klug.
102
00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.100
We've got enough here that we need to find him,
103
00:07:00.500 --> 00:07:02.939
we need to find him quickly, and we need to
104
00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:03.879
talk to him.
105
00:07:05.230 --> 00:07:09.019
Police begin a search into Tobin's past in an effort
106
00:07:09.300 --> 00:07:15.040
to turn up leads. Kathy Wilson had first met Peter
107
00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:20.139
Tobin in the English coastal town of Brighton in 1986.
108
00:07:22.379 --> 00:07:26.089
Only 16 years old at the time, Kathy had recently
109
00:07:26.149 --> 00:07:28.490
left the home she shared with her grandparents, who had
110
00:07:28.550 --> 00:07:33.379
raised her after her own mother had died. Parentless and jobless,
111
00:07:33.709 --> 00:07:37.779
she found herself immediately drawn to the charismatic Tobin, who
112
00:07:37.819 --> 00:07:39.360
was 30 years her senior.
113
00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.040
I first met Peter Tobin in a biker's bar, and
114
00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.920
I had a little 50cc motorbike, and outside were all
115
00:07:46.939 --> 00:07:49.300
the bikes lined up, Harley Davidsons. My little one was
116
00:07:49.339 --> 00:07:51.139
just on the end, but I loved it in there.
117
00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.800
There were seven or eight of us. He had the
118
00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.639
whole table enthralled with the stories. No one else was talking.
119
00:07:56.980 --> 00:07:59.759
We were just listening to him in rapture. He said
120
00:07:59.779 --> 00:08:01.750
that he was running a hotel. and that he could
121
00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.209
get me a job in the bar at the hotel
122
00:08:03.550 --> 00:08:05.990
on the reception. And although that wasn't exactly what I
123
00:08:06.009 --> 00:08:09.449
wanted to do, it was work, it was local, and
124
00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:13.009
I liked him. And I thought, well, there's nothing else
125
00:08:13.029 --> 00:08:13.990
that I've got to lose, really.
126
00:08:14.430 --> 00:08:15.449
I might as well have a go.
127
00:08:18.870 --> 00:08:21.310
When I got there, of course, it was just one
128
00:08:21.329 --> 00:08:23.370
double bed, so I was expected to sleep with him.
129
00:08:23.410 --> 00:08:27.620
But I'd liked him, so I didn't feel too shabby
130
00:08:27.629 --> 00:08:30.230
about doing that. And we got on really well, so
131
00:08:30.730 --> 00:08:31.110
why not?
132
00:08:32.570 --> 00:08:35.610
But Kathy quickly learns there is no job for her
133
00:08:35.750 --> 00:08:36.470
at the hotel.
134
00:08:37.710 --> 00:08:41.759
I don't recall being happy or unhappy, just confused and
135
00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:43.700
without a job.
136
00:08:47.059 --> 00:08:49.980
Although there is no job for her to do, Kathy
137
00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.299
decides to try to make the most of her situation.
138
00:08:53.610 --> 00:08:55.789
Really, this was just someone that I knew, that I liked,
139
00:08:56.269 --> 00:08:57.049
I felt happy with.
140
00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.759
So I thought I'll put all of my efforts and
141
00:08:59.779 --> 00:09:02.919
energy into being a homemaker. So I'd asked him in
142
00:09:02.950 --> 00:09:04.929
the morning what he'd like for dinner and he'd said
143
00:09:04.970 --> 00:09:07.549
a pork chop. So I grilled what I thought was
144
00:09:07.590 --> 00:09:12.090
a perfectly adequate chop with a crispy, fatty rim to
145
00:09:12.169 --> 00:09:14.330
it and a nice mix of vegetables to go with it,
146
00:09:14.889 --> 00:09:17.330
expecting him to be pleased with me.
147
00:09:18.909 --> 00:09:19.309
And he didn't.
148
00:09:19.389 --> 00:09:21.549
He picked the plate up and he just threw it
149
00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:24.629
at the wall behind my head. It missed me by inches.
150
00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.000
That was my first insight into how it was going
151
00:09:28.070 --> 00:09:28.639
to be.
152
00:09:30.330 --> 00:09:35.190
Despite Tobin's senseless, violent outburst, the teenage Kathy stays with
153
00:09:35.230 --> 00:09:38.690
him and over the following months begins to accept his
154
00:09:38.750 --> 00:09:39.690
erratic behavior.
155
00:09:40.730 --> 00:09:42.669
I look back now and I really think it's important
156
00:09:42.690 --> 00:09:48.429
people understand how mental abuse in the hands of someone
157
00:09:48.450 --> 00:09:53.129
who's skilled can happen very quickly before you've even known it.
158
00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:59.299
The phenomenon that's unfolding is often referred to as coercive control.
159
00:10:00.090 --> 00:10:04.169
a term that psychologists use for the abusive relationship, that
160
00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:07.480
kind of testing of tolerance that happens to see how
161
00:10:07.509 --> 00:10:09.360
much she'll put up with and how much he can
162
00:10:09.379 --> 00:10:09.960
get away with.
163
00:10:11.139 --> 00:10:16.700
So coercive control usually starts with really small, little messages,
164
00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.399
but they build up and it becomes incredibly hard to
165
00:10:19.460 --> 00:10:19.840
get out.
166
00:10:20.429 --> 00:10:20.950
And to leave.
167
00:10:22.990 --> 00:10:25.269
I was just absolutely determined that I was going to
168
00:10:26.730 --> 00:10:30.860
make the best relationship I possibly could. Behind there definitely
169
00:10:30.899 --> 00:10:33.000
was the feeling that I can't go home and I've
170
00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:33.820
got nowhere else to go.
171
00:10:35.980 --> 00:10:39.559
Could Kathy have seen anything in those early days to
172
00:10:39.659 --> 00:10:42.460
indicate that the man she was letting into her life
173
00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.429
would become one of Britain's most notorious criminals?
174
00:10:47.629 --> 00:10:50.909
Peter Tobin is a predator. That is who he is.
175
00:10:51.470 --> 00:10:54.690
Today's verdict confirms Peter Tobin is one of Britain's most
176
00:10:54.809 --> 00:10:55.909
prolific criminals.
177
00:10:57.129 --> 00:10:59.519
The fact that somebody could carry out a crime like
178
00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:02.700
this on a young girl in a church of all places,
179
00:11:03.139 --> 00:11:04.320
it's just shocking.
180
00:11:09.899 --> 00:11:17.200
Friday, September 29th, 2006, Glasgow, Scotland. Missing Polish student Angelika
181
00:11:17.250 --> 00:11:25.259
Kluck had not been seen for five days. Police suspect
182
00:11:25.299 --> 00:11:29.100
the last person she was seen with, 60-year-old Peter Tobin,
183
00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:33.600
is somehow involved in her disappearance. But Tobin himself has
184
00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.620
now gone missing. And as details of Tobin's background come
185
00:11:37.659 --> 00:11:41.750
to light, detectives have serious concerns for Angelika's safety.
186
00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:47.759
The police have a lot of red flags going up
187
00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:51.399
at this point in the investigation. Peter Tobin has lied
188
00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.480
about his name. He was the last person to see
189
00:11:54.700 --> 00:12:00.649
Angelica alive. He has basically fled the scene. So this
190
00:12:00.750 --> 00:12:02.830
really does set their alarm bells ringing.
191
00:12:03.710 --> 00:12:08.129
With no clues as to Peter Tobin's whereabouts, experienced Detective
192
00:12:08.169 --> 00:12:11.070
David Swindle is brought in to manage the case.
193
00:12:12.629 --> 00:12:16.090
I was contacted as a senior investigating officer because the
194
00:12:16.730 --> 00:12:21.799
police had discovered that the person that Angelica had been
195
00:12:21.820 --> 00:12:25.639
last seen with was actually Peter Tobin, the missing sex offender.
196
00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:30.320
So now we've got to start doing the background on
197
00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.850
Peter Tobin and start to track down this guy's experience
198
00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.830
and where he has been within the country.
199
00:12:40.049 --> 00:12:42.990
Is there anything in Peter Tobin's past that could provide
200
00:12:43.009 --> 00:12:44.629
a clearer picture of the suspect?
201
00:12:45.590 --> 00:12:47.450
Running the criminal history of Peter Tobin.
202
00:12:47.789 --> 00:12:52.529
Detectives find out that in 1993, he was convicted for
203
00:12:52.669 --> 00:12:55.149
brutally sexually assaulting two teenagers.
204
00:12:57.860 --> 00:13:01.860
Detectives discover that 12 years earlier, Peter Tobin had received
205
00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.600
a 14-year prison sentence for the sexual assault of two
206
00:13:05.659 --> 00:13:11.820
teenage girls in Havant, southern England. Shockingly, Tobin had carried
207
00:13:11.899 --> 00:13:14.580
out this brutal attack in his own home.
208
00:13:16.370 --> 00:13:20.289
He raped and almost killed two young girls.
209
00:13:22.929 --> 00:13:25.899
They were really lucky to escape with their lives. This
210
00:13:26.019 --> 00:13:28.379
is a man who is capable of serious harm.
211
00:13:29.259 --> 00:13:32.340
After serving only 10 years of his sentence, Tobin was
212
00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:38.139
released in 2004. But as investigators look at the details
213
00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:43.500
of Tobin's previous crime, one key question seems relevant. How
214
00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.460
did Tobin get these young women into his home in
215
00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:47.299
the first place?
216
00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:52.299
The two teenage girls that Tobin attacked, he gets them
217
00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.700
in his flat. He makes them drink alcohol. And that
218
00:13:56.740 --> 00:14:00.320
really is testament to this predatory and this manipulative nature
219
00:14:00.340 --> 00:14:00.899
of Tobin.
220
00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:08.279
Angelica had only known Peter Tobin under the alias Pat
221
00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:12.269
McLaughlin for a short time when she went missing. Could
222
00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.940
Tobin have lured and manipulated her just as he lured
223
00:14:15.980 --> 00:14:16.960
those teenage girls?
224
00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:22.789
Angelica had known Tobin for around about six weeks, and
225
00:14:22.809 --> 00:14:26.470
that's a relatively short period of time. So for him
226
00:14:26.549 --> 00:14:29.769
to have been able to gain her trust in that time,
227
00:14:30.470 --> 00:14:33.379
that really does tell us how manipulative this individual is.
228
00:14:39.590 --> 00:14:43.429
It seems Peter Tobin has been manipulating women all of
229
00:14:43.470 --> 00:14:49.200
his life. In 1987, he successfully manipulated Kathy Wilson into
230
00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:53.340
making a life-altering decision by lying about a health scare.
231
00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:59.759
He told me he had cancer of the testicles, and
232
00:14:59.779 --> 00:15:01.940
he was going to have an operation, a laser operation,
233
00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:05.570
and he wouldn't be able to have children after that.
234
00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:07.039
We'd only been.
235
00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:08.899
Together three or four months, but I thought I'm probably
236
00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:10.259
going to want to have children at some point in
237
00:15:10.299 --> 00:15:14.279
my life. Then I ought to have one now, really,
238
00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.299
which is crazy, because I was 16 and a half.
239
00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:20.440
I didn't have a job. I had no real.
240
00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:21.039
Income of my own.
241
00:15:22.019 --> 00:15:25.539
Kathleen quickly becomes pregnant, but four months later, when she
242
00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.919
accompanies Tobin to his operation, she talks to the surgeon
243
00:15:29.450 --> 00:15:31.259
and discovers that she's been duped.
244
00:15:32.429 --> 00:15:34.870
I said, isn't it lucky that I was able to
245
00:15:34.889 --> 00:15:38.309
get pregnant before this? this operation takes place, and the
246
00:15:38.330 --> 00:15:40.730
doctor surgeon just looked at me and said, what do
247
00:15:40.750 --> 00:15:42.929
you mean? I said, well, after he has this laser treatment,
248
00:15:43.590 --> 00:15:46.990
he won't be able to have children anymore. And the
249
00:15:47.029 --> 00:15:48.830
doctor turned around to me and said, no, he's going
250
00:15:48.850 --> 00:15:51.169
to lose one or two percent of his ability, if that,
251
00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:58.720
probably none at all. That was a watershed moment for me.
252
00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:01.940
I've been completely conned because I wouldn't have chosen to
253
00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.379
have a child at 16 by any stretch of the imagination.
254
00:16:04.419 --> 00:16:09.500
It's stupid, stupid He had changed the direction of my life.
255
00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:16.320
Tobin had out and out tricked Kathy into getting pregnant.
256
00:16:20.379 --> 00:16:23.669
When we look at men who are habitually abusive towards women,
257
00:16:23.929 --> 00:16:27.429
pathological lying is something we come across very often. And
258
00:16:27.470 --> 00:16:31.269
these men make themselves indispensable. And in the process of
259
00:16:31.309 --> 00:16:34.289
doing that, they really do take control of women's lives.
260
00:16:36.309 --> 00:16:39.110
So I think before I got pregnant, most of the abuse,
261
00:16:39.289 --> 00:16:43.149
which now I understand was abuse, was mental.
262
00:16:43.210 --> 00:16:46.610
It was wearing me down, belittling me, making me feel small.
263
00:16:46.710 --> 00:16:48.529
But it seemed once I was pregnant, and particularly when
264
00:16:48.549 --> 00:16:51.909
I started to show, he started to get physically aggressive
265
00:16:51.929 --> 00:16:56.870
with me. But I think now that having accepted that
266
00:16:56.909 --> 00:17:01.330
level of violence, he knew then that he was able
267
00:17:01.370 --> 00:17:01.929
to go further.
268
00:17:04.329 --> 00:17:08.650
Four days before Christmas in 1987, Kathy gives birth to
269
00:17:08.690 --> 00:17:13.109
her son Daniel. And for a moment, everything changes.
270
00:17:14.329 --> 00:17:17.970
The second that my baby was put into my arms,
271
00:17:18.150 --> 00:17:21.470
not just the pain, but the disappointment in Peter, they
272
00:17:21.509 --> 00:17:23.809
all were bundled into the same pile of, that's all
273
00:17:23.829 --> 00:17:24.359
forgotten now.
274
00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.059
Because look what I've got. And there's nothing quite like
275
00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:28.640
the feeling of that.
276
00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:29.000
I don't think.
277
00:17:30.630 --> 00:17:34.690
Becoming a mother is a deeply significant moment in Kathy's life.
278
00:17:35.630 --> 00:17:38.869
It's important to remember that Kathy had, if you will,
279
00:17:39.029 --> 00:17:41.779
a hole in her heart from her own childhood. It
280
00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.279
wasn't a happy childhood and she didn't have two parents
281
00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:45.579
and she never knew her father.
282
00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.180
My mom is like a butterfly, I think. That's how
283
00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:53.940
I describe her.
284
00:17:53.980 --> 00:17:57.279
She's flitting from one thing to another, never stopping very long,
285
00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:02.220
looking beautiful all the time. because when she was there
286
00:18:02.259 --> 00:18:05.619
and she was lucid, she was a fantastic mother.
287
00:18:07.059 --> 00:18:08.880
But my mother was taking drugs.
288
00:18:09.099 --> 00:18:11.720
I now believe quite hardcore drugs at that age, but
289
00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:13.160
I didn't even know what drugs were.
290
00:18:13.180 --> 00:18:16.809
I didn't understand it. My mother was deteriorating.
291
00:18:16.849 --> 00:18:18.630
Our whole situation was deteriorating.
292
00:18:19.069 --> 00:18:20.329
We were just spiraling down.
293
00:18:22.750 --> 00:18:26.230
When Kathy was six, her mother died. But it was
294
00:18:26.410 --> 00:18:29.470
only when Kathy turned 16 she learned that her mother
295
00:18:29.529 --> 00:18:34.470
had killed herself with a heroin overdose. Just a few
296
00:18:34.529 --> 00:18:37.509
months later was when she met Peter Tobin.
297
00:18:38.569 --> 00:18:44.210
For Kathy to jump into that relationship at 16, on
298
00:18:44.230 --> 00:18:45.109
the one hand, can.
299
00:18:45.029 --> 00:18:46.430
Seem really risky.
300
00:18:47.509 --> 00:18:51.130
But having a history of abuse often leaves people more vulnerable.
301
00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:53.740
to abuse later on in life.
302
00:18:59.210 --> 00:19:05.690
Glasgow, Scotland, Friday, September 29th, 2006. Polish student Angelika Kluck
303
00:19:05.730 --> 00:19:09.660
has now been missing for five days. Police have established
304
00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.640
that the last person to be seen with her was
305
00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:15.759
Peter Tobin, a registered sex offender who is now also missing.
306
00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:19.750
The pressure is on for lead investigator David Swindle and
307
00:19:19.789 --> 00:19:24.740
his team. Could they have missed something vital at the
308
00:19:24.859 --> 00:19:27.640
church where Angelica and Tobin were last seen?
309
00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:33.880
What I asked for was a better search of the
310
00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.839
church to be done. We arranged for specialist search teams
311
00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.609
to examine the church. And within, I think it was
312
00:19:42.630 --> 00:19:48.369
probably two hours, a woman's body was found underneath the church.
313
00:19:49.589 --> 00:19:49.970
The grim decision.
314
00:19:50.450 --> 00:19:53.970
Was made at around 8 o'clock last night. Forensic officers
315
00:19:54.029 --> 00:19:56.130
have spent the night gathering evidence at the chapel.
316
00:19:57.930 --> 00:20:00.710
Because of what we know, there's no doubt this is
317
00:20:00.730 --> 00:20:03.619
going to be Angelica. Well, now we've got something that
318
00:20:03.630 --> 00:20:07.359
we didn't have before. We've got a body, and we
319
00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:09.759
now have a scene that needs to be processed.
320
00:20:11.269 --> 00:20:15.990
Forensic biologist Carol Rogers is tasked with conducting the initial assessment.
321
00:20:16.509 --> 00:20:19.450
But even accessing the body is no easy task.
322
00:20:20.859 --> 00:20:25.900
My first impression of the crime scene itself, I can't
323
00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:33.500
believe how small the trapdoor was. Once I went down in,
324
00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.420
I could see clearly she had what appeared to be
325
00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:41.789
multiple stab injuries to her chest. And she also had
326
00:20:42.170 --> 00:20:46.329
facial injuries. She had insulating tape wrapped around her mouth.
327
00:20:47.450 --> 00:20:49.759
And there was a lot of blood around about her face,
328
00:20:49.900 --> 00:20:52.059
and her face did look quite swollen.
329
00:20:53.900 --> 00:20:56.819
The crime scene made it clear that Angelica had been
330
00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.359
subjected to horrific final moments.
331
00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:03.369
She was fully clothed, but the fly of her trousers
332
00:21:03.450 --> 00:21:08.119
was unbuttoned. And also her shirt and bra were pushed up.
333
00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:10.789
To expose her abdomen and her breasts.
334
00:21:10.809 --> 00:21:12.750
So it was quite apparent from just the way her
335
00:21:12.789 --> 00:21:15.109
clothing was that this was going to be a sexually
336
00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:16.009
motivated murder.
337
00:21:18.069 --> 00:21:22.410
When Angelica's identity is confirmed, the severity of the crime
338
00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:26.589
remains shocking for even the most experienced officers.
339
00:21:28.390 --> 00:21:31.380
The horrific murder of Angelica Kluke is something that I
340
00:21:31.390 --> 00:21:34.839
will always remember. And the ferocity of how she was
341
00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:36.769
killed The.
342
00:21:36.750 --> 00:21:39.240
Fact that somebody could carry out a crime like this
343
00:21:39.460 --> 00:21:41.319
on a young girl in a church of.
344
00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:45.519
All places, it's just shocking. The whole thing is just
345
00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:46.700
such a tragic story.
346
00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.000
But can the scene at the church help investigators catch
347
00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:53.119
the man responsible?
348
00:21:54.349 --> 00:21:58.309
The bad news is that we've now verified that Angelica's dead.
349
00:21:58.890 --> 00:22:03.269
The good news is that the evidence gleaned from this
350
00:22:03.369 --> 00:22:05.150
scene is a treasure trove.
351
00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:13.460
Underneath the floor was bloodstained clothing. There was a knife
352
00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:14.349
and other things.
353
00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:21.190
And on Angelica's body itself, investigators discover traces of semen.
354
00:22:21.930 --> 00:22:25.769
With DNA samples available, will police finally be able to
355
00:22:25.869 --> 00:22:29.269
prove that missing sex offender Peter Tobin is their man?
356
00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:36.829
We need DNA results as quickly as possible. Whosever semen
357
00:22:36.869 --> 00:22:40.789
that belongs to that is going to be the killer.
358
00:22:42.549 --> 00:22:46.430
And if DNA proves the murderer is Peter Tobin, is
359
00:22:46.490 --> 00:22:48.269
it possible he's killed before?
360
00:22:49.670 --> 00:22:53.509
The ferocity of the killing, the way that Peter Tobin
361
00:22:53.789 --> 00:23:00.920
had concealed Angelica's body under the church, this wasn't, in
362
00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:03.099
my mind, the first time that this person had killed.
363
00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:08.839
This behaviour doesn't just emerge overnight. This is behavior that
364
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:12.509
develops over a series of years and even decades. There
365
00:23:12.529 --> 00:23:15.890
would have been an escalation up to this. She would
366
00:23:15.950 --> 00:23:17.230
not have been his first victim.
367
00:23:19.210 --> 00:23:23.029
As suspicions grow that Peter Tobin is not a first-time killer,
368
00:23:23.849 --> 00:23:27.319
Swindle decides to set up a second, separate investigation.
369
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.920
All of the things that Superintendent Swindle has put together
370
00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:37.029
here now that is leading him to believe... that we
371
00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:39.950
now have a serial killer, that puts the wheels in
372
00:23:39.990 --> 00:23:41.880
motion for Operation Anagram.
373
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.700
Operation Anagram turns a traditional murder investigation on its head.
374
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.380
Instead of searching for a killer, police will now be
375
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:52.559
searching for victims.
376
00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:58.210
It is unusual to have an operation like Operation Anagram. Here,
377
00:23:58.730 --> 00:24:01.470
they have the potential to clear up not just this case,
378
00:24:01.549 --> 00:24:02.589
but many, many others.
379
00:24:03.349 --> 00:24:06.980
It's something that had never been done before and I
380
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.900
don't think it's been done again. And basically, I called
381
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.230
it investigative analysis of a serial killer.
382
00:24:15.029 --> 00:24:18.250
But with Tobin himself missing and much of his past
383
00:24:18.309 --> 00:24:22.230
history as yet unknown, how can investigators start to look
384
00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:23.829
for other possible victims?
385
00:24:24.769 --> 00:24:26.970
So now we need to build a timeline for Peter
386
00:24:27.009 --> 00:24:31.279
Tobin and start to track down this guy's experience and
387
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:33.200
where he has been within the country.
388
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:38.349
But police will find that Tobin had worked hard to
389
00:24:38.430 --> 00:24:42.579
ensure much of his life remained a mystery. In 1988,
390
00:24:42.569 --> 00:24:46.230
in Brighton, England, even after having had a son with him,
391
00:24:46.529 --> 00:24:50.349
Kathy Wilson was beginning to realize that she knew very
392
00:24:50.450 --> 00:24:51.529
little about Tobin.
393
00:24:52.589 --> 00:24:54.970
I don't recall any particular bonding between Peter and Daniel.
394
00:24:55.390 --> 00:24:59.640
Peter was going out full days at a time, doing
395
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.779
what I really don't know. And I never questioned him.
396
00:25:03.210 --> 00:25:06.109
because I didn't really care. He wasn't in the house.
397
00:25:06.309 --> 00:25:08.329
He wasn't bothering me. I do wonder what he was
398
00:25:08.390 --> 00:25:10.930
up to. Peter was spending a lot of time at
399
00:25:10.950 --> 00:25:13.450
the Catholic Church, and then he said one day that
400
00:25:13.650 --> 00:25:16.829
the priest was very uncomfortable about the fact that our
401
00:25:16.849 --> 00:25:20.029
son was out of wedlock and that we really.
402
00:25:19.890 --> 00:25:20.490
Ought to be married.
403
00:25:21.230 --> 00:25:23.380
I don't even recall getting down on the one-me.
404
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:23.859
Kind of proposal.
405
00:25:23.890 --> 00:25:27.000
It was just an acceptance that the next stage of
406
00:25:27.019 --> 00:25:28.180
my life involved getting married.
407
00:25:29.420 --> 00:25:32.910
But in getting married to Tobin... Kathy uncovered a secret
408
00:25:32.950 --> 00:25:34.549
that he had been hiding from her.
409
00:25:35.970 --> 00:25:38.250
Having had the idea proposed by the priests at the
410
00:25:38.269 --> 00:25:42.450
Catholic Church, which was my understanding, when it came to it,
411
00:25:43.029 --> 00:25:45.289
they wouldn't marry us there because he'd been divorced.
412
00:25:45.789 --> 00:25:47.509
Well, this was the first time I even heard that.
413
00:25:47.430 --> 00:25:47.890
He'd had a wife.
414
00:25:49.910 --> 00:25:54.049
Kathy had discovered that Tobin had been married before, but
415
00:25:54.069 --> 00:25:57.009
what she didn't yet know were the horrors that being
416
00:25:57.049 --> 00:26:02.460
the wife of Peter Tobin could entail. Coming up, is
417
00:26:02.539 --> 00:26:06.480
Peter Tobin's killing driven by a psychopathic personality?
418
00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:09.740
He said, I'll kill your son if you ever leave me.
419
00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:13.019
I have never been so scared in my entire life.
420
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:22.849
Animal mutilation. The extreme domestic abuse. These are all early
421
00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:26.670
indicators of progression towards more serious conduct.
422
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:32.319
Following the discovery of Angelica Cluck's body, police in Scotland
423
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.930
are hunting for lead suspect Peter Tobin. They have also
424
00:26:36.109 --> 00:26:39.990
opened a second investigation, looking into the theory that Peter
425
00:26:40.069 --> 00:26:42.170
Tobin is a serial killer.
426
00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:47.319
We've got a viable suspect, so what do we do?
427
00:26:47.539 --> 00:26:50.799
We start putting out feelers because we want to find
428
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.980
people that are associated with Peter Tobin.
429
00:26:57.049 --> 00:27:00.390
But when investigators speak to those who know Tobin, will
430
00:27:00.450 --> 00:27:04.190
those closest to him confirm his violent, dangerous profile?
431
00:27:05.970 --> 00:27:10.950
How are they describing Peter Tobin? Hey, nice guy, personable,
432
00:27:11.430 --> 00:27:12.230
people like him.
433
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.720
This is someone that looked normal, a normal person.
434
00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:22.079
But police know Tobin is a violent offender. So does
435
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.099
his ability to hide that from people tell them anything?
436
00:27:25.779 --> 00:27:28.559
There is a certain sort of murderer who is very
437
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:32.819
accomplished at hiding his true identity from the general public.
438
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.680
When police track down Tobin's first wife, Margaret, a very
439
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.369
different picture emerges.
440
00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:44.630
One thing that she talks about that separates Tobin from
441
00:27:44.690 --> 00:27:47.990
everything that we've heard in a positive way is that
442
00:27:48.029 --> 00:27:50.650
their relationship through the marriage, he was brutal.
443
00:27:52.230 --> 00:27:54.750
She was kept prisoner in her house in the east
444
00:27:54.769 --> 00:28:00.299
end of Glasgow by Tobin. And Tobin had seriously assaulted her.
445
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.460
The controlling and abusive behaviour that we see from Tobin
446
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.779
towards his wife is a clear indication of somebody for
447
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.799
whom other human beings do not have a real identity,
448
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:21.859
are not seen as truly human. It's a type of
449
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.259
controlling behavior that is symptomatic of a psychopath.
450
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:33.109
The psychopath feels absolutely nothing, no compunction about harming others,
451
00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:37.109
and an inability to express any remorse or shame or
452
00:28:37.289 --> 00:28:39.309
guilt when they do something wrong.
453
00:28:40.029 --> 00:28:42.950
By all accounts, Peter Tobin is on that spectrum.
454
00:28:49.230 --> 00:28:52.410
Completely unaware of what Tobin had put his first wife
455
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:55.880
Margaret through, Kathy begins her marriage to Tobin as a
456
00:28:55.940 --> 00:28:59.900
new mother in 1989. But only a few months later,
457
00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.140
Tobin tells her they'll be moving away.
458
00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:07.839
And then announces it's in a place called Bathgate. God,
459
00:29:07.940 --> 00:29:09.160
I don't know where Bathgate is.
460
00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:17.190
In Scotland. I think I must have just been incredulous.
461
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.799
Moving Kathy to the other end of the country, away
462
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.420
from everyone she knows and everything she's familiar with, it
463
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.180
really does appear to be yet another effort by Peter
464
00:29:30.220 --> 00:29:33.930
Tobin to isolate his wife, and one of the hallmarks
465
00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:36.150
of psychological domestic violence.
466
00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:42.880
In Bathgate, Scotland, Cathy is now totally alone and hundreds
467
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.920
of miles from anyone she knows.
468
00:29:46.299 --> 00:29:48.730
As soon as he got me up there, he isolated
469
00:29:48.769 --> 00:29:54.970
me even further from everyone. I certainly was being fully
470
00:29:55.029 --> 00:29:57.839
now locked down in the property. I wasn't able to
471
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.759
go out of the house except for the shops and
472
00:29:59.779 --> 00:30:07.130
that was an accompanied visit. I really felt that I
473
00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:10.250
had to now leave this. There was nothing for me
474
00:30:10.289 --> 00:30:14.640
to stay for at all. I had no idea how
475
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:15.819
Peter was going to react to.
476
00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:17.319
Me asking for a divorce at all.
477
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.339
I just knew that the point I was going to
478
00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:21.440
ask had to be a point where he was very calm.
479
00:30:23.619 --> 00:30:25.940
And I just think I said simply, this isn't working.
480
00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:27.099
I need a divorce.
481
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.720
The next thing I know, he's literally picked Daniel up
482
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.980
from the landing next to him and dangled him over
483
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.910
the staircase. And he said, I'll drop your son if
484
00:30:39.950 --> 00:30:42.450
you ever leave me. I'll kill your son if you
485
00:30:42.490 --> 00:30:45.210
ever leave me. And I just saw Daniel there and
486
00:30:45.269 --> 00:30:47.390
his eyes were scared.
487
00:30:47.029 --> 00:30:48.809
And the only job I have in my.
488
00:30:48.730 --> 00:30:50.809
Life, the only job I have in my life is
489
00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:51.410
to protect him.
490
00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:53.920
And I'm Screwing it up.
491
00:30:56.140 --> 00:30:59.039
So I said immediately, you're right. It was a really,
492
00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:00.880
really silly idea. I don't know where I got that from.
493
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:01.880
Put it down your back.
494
00:31:06.940 --> 00:31:10.450
Locked up in her own home and terrorized by Tobin,
495
00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:15.750
escape seems impossible until one day Tobin makes a mistake.
496
00:31:17.690 --> 00:31:19.410
For some reason, I went and checked the door and
497
00:31:19.430 --> 00:31:21.250
it hadn't been locked. The front door hadn't been locked.
498
00:31:22.430 --> 00:31:23.809
It just came over me, you've got to go now.
499
00:31:23.890 --> 00:31:25.710
So that was it. So I literally grabbed a carry
500
00:31:25.750 --> 00:31:27.269
bag with some clothes on for Daniel and a soft
501
00:31:27.309 --> 00:31:28.829
toy for him. I grabbed a pot of money and
502
00:31:28.869 --> 00:31:33.190
must have got a cab to the coach station. The
503
00:31:33.670 --> 00:31:35.690
guy was convinced that I was going to get killed
504
00:31:36.509 --> 00:31:37.650
and Daniel wouldn't have me anymore.
505
00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:44.829
But then the bus arrives. And I can't believe it.
506
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:48.619
I'd got away.
507
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.579
Probably.
508
00:31:51.650 --> 00:31:52.259
I got away.
509
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.660
But will Kathy ever be truly free of Peter Tobin?
510
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.480
It's late September 2006, and police in Glasgow, Scotland, are
511
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.910
continuing their search for Peter Tobin, the man they suspect
512
00:32:07.950 --> 00:32:11.670
of raping and murdering Angelica Cluck. But with no trace
513
00:32:11.710 --> 00:32:15.670
of Tobin for several days, and his deadly past becoming clearer,
514
00:32:16.230 --> 00:32:19.150
detectives fear he may have escaped.
515
00:32:20.970 --> 00:32:23.609
At this point in the investigation, Peter Tobin's become a ghost.
516
00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:30.089
When Peter Tobin realized that the heat was on, that
517
00:32:30.109 --> 00:32:33.670
there was a big investigation regarding Angelica Kluk, he left
518
00:32:33.730 --> 00:32:34.799
the scene.
519
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.500
So now the challenge is to find Tobin.
520
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.220
After no sightings for a week, on Sunday, October 1st,
521
00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:51.109
police in London, 300 miles from the crime scene, receive
522
00:32:51.150 --> 00:32:51.549
a call.
523
00:32:52.470 --> 00:32:56.990
They receive a tip from a hospital in London that
524
00:32:57.069 --> 00:33:00.690
a person who looks like Peter Tobin had checked in
525
00:33:00.730 --> 00:33:05.599
there calling himself John Kelly and complaining about heart issues.
526
00:33:06.890 --> 00:33:11.859
Could this patient John Kelly really be Peter Tobin? And
527
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.039
if so, why, after a week of careful evasion, has
528
00:33:16.059 --> 00:33:18.799
he taken the risk of going somewhere as public as
529
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:19.440
a hospital?
530
00:33:21.390 --> 00:33:25.390
We often find with serial killers, the most important thing
531
00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:28.890
for them is meeting their own needs. So if he
532
00:33:28.930 --> 00:33:31.069
needed hospital treatment for something, he would just go and
533
00:33:31.089 --> 00:33:31.549
get it.
534
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.319
But if this patient does turn out to be Tobin,
535
00:33:39.859 --> 00:33:43.759
are police ready to charge him with Angelica's killing? The
536
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.269
DNA tests of the semen from the crime scene have
537
00:33:46.369 --> 00:33:49.660
not yet produced a profile. so police need a different
538
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.400
reason to be able to take Tobin back to Scotland.
539
00:33:55.190 --> 00:34:00.269
At this point in the investigation, their DNA results that
540
00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:03.910
they're waiting for are not back. However, we want to
541
00:34:03.930 --> 00:34:08.190
talk to Peter Tobin, so we just take a different
542
00:34:08.289 --> 00:34:09.269
route to get there.
543
00:34:10.289 --> 00:34:12.989
We didn't have the DNA evidence, so I dispatched a
544
00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:16.619
team to London. We got a warrant. An arrest warrant
545
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:18.920
because he was a missing sex offender and he didn't
546
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.840
comply with his sex offender conditions. So he was arrested
547
00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.260
on that and brought back to Scotland by uniformed officers.
548
00:34:26.429 --> 00:34:37.250
Finally, police have Peter Tobin in custody. Peter Tobin arrives
549
00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:41.130
in Scotland on October 1st, 2006 and is taken in
550
00:34:41.190 --> 00:34:42.150
for interrogation.
551
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.880
He just denies it all. He's a very controlling individual.
552
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.960
He wants to control the interview and he denies any
553
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:52.780
involvement in that.
554
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.800
But by this stage, police don't need Tobin to confess.
555
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.670
Just one day after his arrest, the forensic analysis of
556
00:35:00.710 --> 00:35:03.670
the semen from the crime scene provides investigators with a
557
00:35:03.730 --> 00:35:04.809
DNA profile.
558
00:35:06.050 --> 00:35:08.409
Now we're in the investigation where we have the DNA
559
00:35:08.449 --> 00:35:13.909
results back and it hits on Peter Tobin in the system.
560
00:35:15.099 --> 00:35:18.849
This match alone is virtually irrefutable proof that Tobin is
561
00:35:18.969 --> 00:35:24.429
Angelica's killer. But following Tobin's arrest, forensic officers have uncovered
562
00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:27.449
even more shocking evidence to be used against him.
563
00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:32.880
When Peter Tobin was arrested, his clothing and.
564
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.739
His personal effects were seized by the police. So we
565
00:35:35.780 --> 00:35:39.079
examined a T-shirt that he was wearing. And on the
566
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.050
lower front of the T-shirt, we found a mixture of semen,
567
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.780
and quite a large amount of DNA that could have
568
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:45.980
come from Angelika Kluk.
569
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.920
We also found blood on his watch.
570
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.320
With such a wealth of forensic evidence, Tobin is swiftly
571
00:35:53.409 --> 00:35:59.610
charged with Angelika's murder. But Operation Anagram remains in full force,
572
00:35:59.869 --> 00:36:03.869
with detectives determined to prove correct their theory that Tobin
573
00:36:03.909 --> 00:36:10.000
has many more victims. Coming up, Peter Tobin goes on trial.
574
00:36:11.510 --> 00:36:16.349
This is the man who murdered Angelica Klug. Police investigating
575
00:36:16.449 --> 00:36:20.050
that crime realized that Tobin could also have been behind
576
00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:23.429
one of Scotland's longest-running missing persons inquiries.
577
00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:26.550
But are there more victims?
578
00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:30.949
So the why question here is, are we in fact
579
00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:32.590
dealing with a serial killer?
580
00:36:39.869 --> 00:36:44.369
On March 23rd, 2007, Peter Tobin goes on trial for
581
00:36:44.409 --> 00:36:49.739
the murder of Angelica Kluck. But even in court, Tobin
582
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.760
refuses to concede anything.
583
00:36:53.059 --> 00:36:55.780
Even with all the evidence against him, Angelica's blood on
584
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.260
his watch, the DNA, I'm not surprised at all that
585
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.500
Peter Tobin says, not guilty.
586
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.829
He believes that he is able, by pleading not guilty,
587
00:37:05.969 --> 00:37:09.219
to control and manage this situation. This is somebody who
588
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:13.280
believes that he can control the world around him.
589
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:18.239
As Tobin continues to deny his involvement, the horrific details
590
00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:21.449
of Angelica's murder are revealed to the jury.
591
00:37:22.170 --> 00:37:26.809
This is the man who murdered Angelica Klug. Tobin had beaten,
592
00:37:26.889 --> 00:37:30.510
raped and stabbed her to death, then concealed her body
593
00:37:30.650 --> 00:37:34.940
under the floorboards in this church, just feet from the confessional.
594
00:37:36.699 --> 00:37:39.420
After just three and a half hours of deliberation, the
595
00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:43.400
jury returns with a verdict. Tobin is found guilty and
596
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.039
is given a life sentence with a minimum term of
597
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.460
21 years. But one question remains.
598
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.079
So the question is, are we in fact dealing with
599
00:37:54.139 --> 00:37:55.000
a serial killer?
600
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.980
After he was convicted of Angelica Klux, that's when we
601
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.739
went public. He's in prison. He's not going anywhere. He's
602
00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:05.900
not going to kill anyone else. So we went over
603
00:38:05.980 --> 00:38:09.920
with Operation Anagram and conducted searches and interviewing other people.
604
00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:15.860
And Operation Anagram has a key witness, Kathy Wilson, who
605
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:18.260
had gone to police as soon as she learned of
606
00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:20.260
Tobin's connection to Angelica.
607
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:24.400
She saw Peter Tobin's face, realized his name was out
608
00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:28.679
there in connection with this overall investigation.
609
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:31.179
She went directly to police.
610
00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:34.480
And this busted the whole thing wide open on who
611
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:35.840
Peter Tobin really is.
612
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:41.840
Kathy Wilson could speak about his behavior and other things
613
00:38:41.909 --> 00:38:45.110
about him. And that was really important. And she was
614
00:38:45.309 --> 00:38:47.469
what you call a significant witness.
615
00:38:48.510 --> 00:38:52.329
Kathy Wilson is interviewed by officers from Operation Anagram on
616
00:38:52.449 --> 00:38:57.409
several occasions and for many hours. During these interviews, she
617
00:38:57.489 --> 00:39:00.199
explains that she had left Tobin more than 15 years ago.
618
00:39:02.030 --> 00:39:05.250
But could information from her past life with him help
619
00:39:05.289 --> 00:39:09.840
police with their investigation now? Cathy tells police that after
620
00:39:09.969 --> 00:39:14.519
fleeing Tobin's Bathgate home in 1990, she established a new
621
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:19.079
life for herself on England's south coast. But within six months,
622
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.739
Tobin had managed to re-establish contact.
623
00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:26.050
I agreed to let Peter come down from Scotland and
624
00:39:26.090 --> 00:39:28.210
that we would talk, we would walk along the beach.
625
00:39:29.530 --> 00:39:31.190
He was really... really trying to get me to come
626
00:39:31.230 --> 00:39:31.650
back to him.
627
00:39:32.929 --> 00:39:37.510
But too much had happened and my awareness was that
628
00:39:37.590 --> 00:39:39.820
there was no circumstances I would be allowed to live
629
00:39:39.860 --> 00:39:44.559
my life again. If I even considered going back with him.
630
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:48.039
So I was pretty strong on that point. But I
631
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:49.599
did say I don't want to stop me seeing Daniel
632
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:49.860
at all.
633
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.559
It might seem really hard to comprehend why Kathy would
634
00:39:55.579 --> 00:40:00.219
have given him contact, given everything that he'd done. As
635
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:04.110
some memories possibly started to become less powerful for her,
636
00:40:04.769 --> 00:40:07.469
maybe the desire for her son to have a father
637
00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:11.409
was greater than the desire to keep him away.
638
00:40:12.909 --> 00:40:17.389
By early 1991, Peter Tobin was paying regular visits to
639
00:40:17.449 --> 00:40:21.860
Kathy and Daniel. Eventually, she allows Tobin to spend an
640
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:24.000
afternoon alone with their son.
641
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.320
I was so desperate for Daniel to have both parents
642
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:32.320
that I've done some things really that are quite ridiculous
643
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.110
if you look at them from outside.
644
00:40:35.780 --> 00:40:39.730
Tobin had promised to return Daniel that same afternoon, but
645
00:40:39.769 --> 00:40:42.809
when evening comes, there's no sign of either of them
646
00:40:43.250 --> 00:40:45.570
and panic starts to set in for Kathy.
647
00:40:46.849 --> 00:40:50.460
By 6.30, I was immediately in full panic mode. I
648
00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:53.320
know he's with his father, but he should be home.
649
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.599
It was late in the evening when I got a
650
00:40:58.619 --> 00:41:01.000
phone call from him to say that he'd gone back
651
00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:04.469
up to Scotland and that I would never see him
652
00:41:04.820 --> 00:41:07.190
or my son again. He said, I'm going to leave
653
00:41:07.210 --> 00:41:09.809
the country first thing in the morning, and that's it.
654
00:41:09.849 --> 00:41:10.869
You're not seeing either of us again.
655
00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:21.179
Kathy's act of conciliatory kindness backfires when Peter Tobin takes
656
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.800
that child and essentially kidnaps him back to Scotland.
657
00:41:24.619 --> 00:41:25.840
Kathy, of course, is reeling.
658
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.090
She goes to the police. Well, the police can't do
659
00:41:30.130 --> 00:41:33.389
anything because he's the legal father. It's a civil matter.
660
00:41:33.750 --> 00:41:35.170
It's a child custody case.
661
00:41:36.869 --> 00:41:39.929
Desperate, Kathy turns to the courts for help.
662
00:41:41.309 --> 00:41:43.110
I was in court at 9 o'clock the following morning.
663
00:41:43.130 --> 00:41:44.969
The judge said, well, all I can offer you at
664
00:41:44.989 --> 00:41:48.369
the moment is I can give you sole custody. Unfortunately,
665
00:41:48.389 --> 00:41:49.889
I can only make it valid in England.
666
00:41:52.110 --> 00:41:53.530
Cathy has only one choice.
667
00:41:53.949 --> 00:41:56.829
She needs to find a way to get Daniel back
668
00:41:56.909 --> 00:42:00.260
across the border from Scotland to England if she's going
669
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:01.800
to make that decree take effect.
670
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:05.860
So I decided to hatch a plan. I was 17
671
00:42:05.860 --> 00:42:09.119
years old and absolutely petrified. I phoned Peter and I said,
672
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:10.260
you win.
673
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:11.519
I'm coming up.
674
00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:16.710
Less than a year after having escaped from Tobin's Bathgate home,
675
00:42:17.670 --> 00:42:22.210
Kathy is heading back with no idea of the horrors
676
00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:22.969
that await her.
677
00:42:24.130 --> 00:42:27.320
And for three days and nights, I had to do
678
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.119
whatever it was that he wanted me to do.
679
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:34.840
Took me three days of hell, actually. Three days of hell.
680
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:46.530
In 1991, Peter Tobin kidnapped his two-year-old son, Daniel, taking
681
00:42:46.570 --> 00:42:50.010
him hundreds of miles away from his mother, Kathy, across
682
00:42:50.050 --> 00:42:54.119
the Scottish border to a town called Bathgate. Kathy knows
683
00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:56.980
that her only chance to save her son is to
684
00:42:57.019 --> 00:42:59.480
get Tobin to bring him back to England, where she
685
00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:03.889
can regain custody. But that involves Kathy returning to Scotland.
686
00:43:08.909 --> 00:43:11.349
I was quite convinced that when I got up there,
687
00:43:11.429 --> 00:43:14.190
he would punish me for leaving him. This was his
688
00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:16.809
first opportunity to be back in control. And it was
689
00:43:16.849 --> 00:43:20.510
in the family house. And I had absolutely no idea
690
00:43:20.530 --> 00:43:21.570
if I was going to come home alive.
691
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.760
Kathy's plan is to try to convince Tobin that they
692
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.780
could get back together if he is willing to move
693
00:43:28.820 --> 00:43:29.960
to England with her.
694
00:43:31.059 --> 00:43:34.239
And for three days and nights, I had to do
695
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.960
whatever it was that he wanted me to do. to
696
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.019
prove to him that I was going to be going
697
00:43:39.059 --> 00:43:41.119
back with him again if he was to deign to
698
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:46.079
move further south with me. And that involved very uncomfortable
699
00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:50.760
sex in very uncomfortable places, repeatedly, angrily.
700
00:43:52.409 --> 00:43:53.329
It was disgusting.
701
00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:59.389
He would want to perform in front of Daniel, who
702
00:43:59.429 --> 00:44:00.389
was obviously only a child.
703
00:44:00.409 --> 00:44:05.650
But he did that.
704
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.940
Because he was testing me to see if I was
705
00:44:09.980 --> 00:44:11.079
really prepared to give it a go.
706
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:27.050
And I passed the test. Took me three days. Of hell, actually.
707
00:44:27.070 --> 00:44:29.110
Three days of hell.
708
00:44:34.579 --> 00:44:41.460
Kathy's plan works. After three days, Tobin agrees to drive
709
00:44:41.500 --> 00:44:45.659
them all back south. And once back in Portsmouth, court
710
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:53.869
bailiffs step in to return Daniel to Kathy. 16 years later,
711
00:44:54.170 --> 00:44:58.809
Kathy tells investigators from Operation Anagram the horrifying story.
712
00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:06.329
For me, what she went through, you could never imagine that.
713
00:45:06.510 --> 00:45:10.510
You could never imagine it. This is a woman that was,
714
00:45:10.909 --> 00:45:14.699
I call her the living victim. She survived.
715
00:45:16.030 --> 00:45:20.760
Although tragic, Kathy's story has confirmed a key address and
716
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:26.780
a date for Operation Anagram. Could Tobin's presence in Bathgate
717
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.420
in 1991 be the information investigators need to connect Tobin
718
00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:32.659
to another murder?
719
00:45:34.300 --> 00:45:38.449
So Kathy Wilson provides some critical information about an address
720
00:45:39.070 --> 00:45:45.090
that she lived with Tobin in 1991. And at the
721
00:45:45.130 --> 00:45:49.730
same time, there is a missing person case that develops
722
00:45:50.469 --> 00:45:54.179
very nearby with a girl named Vicki Hamilton.
723
00:45:58.219 --> 00:46:02.960
Vicki Hamilton was a 15-year-old schoolgirl who had suddenly disappeared
724
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.619
without a trace in 1991.
725
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.719
This case became one of the biggest missing person cases
726
00:46:10.130 --> 00:46:11.090
in Scottish history.
727
00:46:12.230 --> 00:46:13.670
I remember it being all over the news.
728
00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:18.030
I remember her picture being on milk cartons and picture
729
00:46:18.070 --> 00:46:19.670
being on the local bus station.
730
00:46:19.730 --> 00:46:21.250
So I remembered it very clearly.
731
00:46:21.989 --> 00:46:25.260
The only evidence that was ever developed in Vicki Hamilton's
732
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:30.300
disappearance was her purse found at a bus station that
733
00:46:30.380 --> 00:46:32.400
appeared to have been discarded at that location.
734
00:46:34.070 --> 00:46:38.769
Now, 16 years after her disappearance, police have established that
735
00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:43.179
Peter Tobin, the convicted murderer and pedophile, was living only
736
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.760
a few miles from where Vicki Hamilton had last been seen.
737
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.579
Investigators immediately searched Tobin's former Bathgate residence.
738
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.579
Police stripped the house back to exactly how it had
739
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.099
been when Tobin lived there.
740
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.570
Loding and Borders Police searched the house where Tobin lived
741
00:47:01.610 --> 00:47:04.409
in Bathgate. and they found a knife in the attic.
742
00:47:05.250 --> 00:47:09.809
And they uncover a knife that still has particles of
743
00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:13.090
human skin on the knife itself.
744
00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:17.159
Could these skin particles be the first step in proving
745
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:21.460
that Peter Tobin is a serial killer? Immediately, forensic officers
746
00:47:21.539 --> 00:47:24.699
are tasked with obtaining a DNA profile from the knife.
747
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:28.119
And when the results come back, it is exactly as
748
00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:29.539
investigators had feared.
749
00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:32.780
Human tissue, human blood.
750
00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:38.739
On this knife comes back to Vicki Hamilton. That is
751
00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:41.739
a paradigm shift in the investigation. That is a big
752
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:42.699
change right there.
753
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.860
Police are now convinced Peter Tobin is responsible for Vicki
754
00:47:46.900 --> 00:47:49.639
Hamilton's murder, but they need more.
755
00:47:50.909 --> 00:47:53.869
So here's the dilemma that they face, even with this great,
756
00:47:54.190 --> 00:47:57.329
great evidence. At this point in time, they don't have
757
00:47:57.389 --> 00:48:00.250
a body, although they've got a pretty good indication here
758
00:48:00.570 --> 00:48:02.269
that something nefarious has happened.
759
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:03.639
To Vicki Hamilton.
760
00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:06.449
Can the fact that Tobin hid the knife in a
761
00:48:06.530 --> 00:48:09.250
former home offer investigators a lead?
762
00:48:10.670 --> 00:48:13.110
The fact that he has just discarded the knife in
763
00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:16.369
the attic of this house would appear to be, you know,
764
00:48:16.429 --> 00:48:19.820
something quite shocking, really. And I think perhaps this could
765
00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:21.059
be down to his arrogance.
766
00:48:21.659 --> 00:48:25.420
So he's keeping trophies. He's keeping weapons.
767
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.059
So these are all little mementos that he keeps, and
768
00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:30.539
he keeps them in his house.
769
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:35.260
Could Tobin have hidden vital evidence or maybe even bodies
770
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:38.880
in other homes he had lived in? It's now critical
771
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:43.989
investigators assemble a detailed picture of Tobin's previous addresses. But
772
00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:46.690
building a timeline is easier said than done.
773
00:48:47.969 --> 00:48:52.429
Tobin is moving all over the country. All sorts of
774
00:48:52.489 --> 00:48:57.780
different addresses, different locations, different areas. He's changing his name.
775
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.219
He's trying to continue to throw that fog out there
776
00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:04.989
to muddy up who he is and where he is.
777
00:49:05.789 --> 00:49:09.750
Now, Kathy Wilson can help investigators track Tobin's movements for
778
00:49:09.789 --> 00:49:13.349
the 15 years they were together. Just how many victims
779
00:49:13.389 --> 00:49:19.969
will investigators uncover? Kathy Wilson has helped investigators place Peter
780
00:49:20.110 --> 00:49:24.650
Tobin in Bathgate, Scotland in 1991, the same time and
781
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.019
place that schoolgirl Vicki Hamilton went missing. Thanks to Kathy,
782
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.079
police found a knife with Vicki's DNA on it at
783
00:49:32.179 --> 00:49:37.420
Tobin's former address. But where is Vicki's body? Could Tobin's
784
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.230
former homes harbor other secrets? Could there be more victims?
785
00:49:44.110 --> 00:49:46.969
So with all of my intensive questioning with the police,
786
00:49:47.070 --> 00:49:50.079
they'd got all the previous addresses we'd lived at together,
787
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:52.599
because some of them were just flitting addresses which no
788
00:49:52.659 --> 00:49:58.480
one would have known about. And they started systematically searching them, basically.
789
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.420
As police begin searching properties, they also look into unsolved
790
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:07.960
missing persons files and come across the case of 16-year-old
791
00:50:08.019 --> 00:50:11.929
Dinah McNichol, who went missing after hitchhiking home from a
792
00:50:12.010 --> 00:50:14.489
music festival in southern England in 1991.
793
00:50:14.489 --> 00:50:19.469
Ina McNichol went missing at the Lip Hook Festival. She
794
00:50:19.489 --> 00:50:24.860
was thumbing a lift with her boyfriend. A Scottish man
795
00:50:24.889 --> 00:50:27.880
picked him up. A nice Scottish man in a car
796
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.739
that spoke to her.
797
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:34.099
Midway through their hitchhike journey, Dinah's friend exited the vehicle.
798
00:50:34.570 --> 00:50:38.679
leaving Dinah to continue her journey alone with this unidentified
799
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.039
Scottish driver. Could that driver have been Peter Tobin?
800
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.260
So in the case of Dinah McNichol, a missing person
801
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:52.039
case for 16 years, there's been no evidence of where
802
00:50:52.090 --> 00:50:58.429
she went, and the only evidence that they have is
803
00:50:58.730 --> 00:51:02.369
use of her debit card or ATM card after she
804
00:51:02.449 --> 00:51:03.510
was missing.
805
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.110
Could the locations where Dinah's card had been used to
806
00:51:08.179 --> 00:51:11.469
withdraw money reveal the path of her journey?
807
00:51:12.550 --> 00:51:15.949
So starting to piece it all together, her bank card
808
00:51:15.989 --> 00:51:18.010
had been used all the way through the route there.
809
00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:20.400
There had been withdrawals on it to take it out.
810
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:25.059
But when investigators check the location of the withdrawals, they
811
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.010
don't point to the direction of Dinah's home. Instead, they
812
00:51:29.070 --> 00:51:32.110
show the card was used in Brighton and another town
813
00:51:32.510 --> 00:51:34.929
several hours south of where Dinah lived.
814
00:51:36.389 --> 00:51:38.769
What's interesting about the usage of this.
815
00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:43.610
ATM card that McNichol had is that it is being
816
00:51:44.260 --> 00:51:45.510
traced back to a.
817
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.380
Town called Margate.
818
00:51:50.619 --> 00:51:54.480
And crucially, Margate is one of the locations that Kathy
819
00:51:54.539 --> 00:51:57.820
Wilson has told investigators Peter Tobin once lived.
820
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:04.179
Tobin moved to Margate after living in Bathgate, and he
821
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.440
lived in a house there. This was in 1991, and
822
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.280
this became really interesting to the police in their investigation.
823
00:52:13.269 --> 00:52:16.769
With Margate now a possible place of interest, police go
824
00:52:16.829 --> 00:52:21.030
back to Cathy. Could Tobin have hidden anything there?
825
00:52:21.050 --> 00:52:23.190
And I suppose he was only there a little while.
826
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:24.420
It wasn't very long.
827
00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:27.300
But that was the property that we're next on to.
828
00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:29.480
but they obviously thought it was quite a good candidate
829
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:30.820
of a place where someone might be.
830
00:52:33.940 --> 00:52:38.610
On November 14th, 2007, police arrive at Peter Tobin's former
831
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:39.769
home in Margate.
832
00:52:41.849 --> 00:52:43.429
Well, they get down there, they're going to search for
833
00:52:43.510 --> 00:52:48.289
more evidence, and one of the neighbours conveys the fact
834
00:52:48.329 --> 00:52:50.070
that there's a lot of strange going on over there
835
00:52:50.090 --> 00:52:51.710
because they remember when Tobin was there.
836
00:52:51.730 --> 00:52:57.340
His next-door neighbour told quite an intriguing story. about how
837
00:52:57.380 --> 00:53:00.239
he discovered Tobin digging in the back garden one day
838
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:00.730
and just.
839
00:53:00.619 --> 00:53:01.840
Said, what are you doing?
840
00:53:02.969 --> 00:53:06.449
Tobin was digging a huge hole in the garden. And
841
00:53:06.489 --> 00:53:08.329
he remembers the size of it. Tobin was down there,
842
00:53:08.369 --> 00:53:10.849
and it was above his head. And he was saying
843
00:53:11.269 --> 00:53:12.329
that it was a sandpit.
844
00:53:13.389 --> 00:53:15.590
This was way deeper than it needed to be for
845
00:53:15.630 --> 00:53:18.550
a child's sandpit. So this was something that stood out
846
00:53:18.630 --> 00:53:21.159
as significant for that neighbour, and it would have got
847
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.010
the police thinking.
848
00:53:23.500 --> 00:53:28.739
There was sufficient there to suspect Perhaps Dana was concealed
849
00:53:28.780 --> 00:53:29.800
in that and got them.
850
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:37.320
Well, that immediately sets them into searching the area of
851
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.559
the sand pit, which they do, and they discover a body.
852
00:53:43.969 --> 00:53:47.170
It's not the body that they expected or were looking for.
853
00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:52.130
If the body isn't Dinah McNichols, whose is it?
854
00:53:53.309 --> 00:53:55.289
I can remember to this day what I was doing
855
00:53:55.309 --> 00:53:57.030
when I got the phone call. They say that they
856
00:53:57.070 --> 00:54:01.780
had found a body. And I thought that body was Dinah.
857
00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:06.219
I said, no, it's Vicki Hamilton. And they could tell
858
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.679
by the clothing and everything that it was Vicki Hamilton.
859
00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:11.280
I thought, right, this is unbelievable.
860
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.070
But could Dinah McNichol also be buried here?
861
00:54:18.989 --> 00:54:21.809
And then eventually they dig into the garden and they
862
00:54:21.909 --> 00:54:25.070
find McNichol buried in the garden.
863
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.079
For swindle the discovery is proof of what he has
864
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:34.559
long suspected that tobin is a serial killer but there
865
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.480
can be no sense of celebration.
866
00:54:44.179 --> 00:54:49.039
Vicky hamilton and dynamic nicole endured horrendous sadistic attacks there
867
00:54:49.059 --> 00:54:58.769
was gagging there was beans There was rape. What they
868
00:54:58.809 --> 00:55:02.690
had gone through, we'll never imagine. No one can ever
869
00:55:02.730 --> 00:55:04.230
imagine what happened to these young women.
870
00:55:08.909 --> 00:55:13.449
With bodies, weapons and an emerging timeline, the case against
871
00:55:13.550 --> 00:55:17.829
Tobin seems strong. But all this really does is link
872
00:55:17.909 --> 00:55:23.380
the girls to Tobin's properties. can Swindle find irrefutable evidence
873
00:55:23.429 --> 00:55:26.880
that directly proves Peter Tobin is their killer?
874
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:32.000
So a decision is made to go back and re-examine
875
00:55:32.019 --> 00:55:33.340
evidence that had been gathered.
876
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.920
When Vicky Hamilton went missing, part of the missing person
877
00:55:36.980 --> 00:55:41.909
investigation resulted in them recovering Vicky Hamilton's purse at the
878
00:55:41.949 --> 00:55:45.230
bus station in Edinburgh. And that purse was retained. With
879
00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:49.369
the advancement of technology, they managed to identify the DNA
880
00:55:49.590 --> 00:55:50.170
on that purse.
881
00:55:51.409 --> 00:55:54.929
Will the DNA on the purse conclusively link Tobin to
882
00:55:55.010 --> 00:55:55.869
Vicki Hamilton?
883
00:55:56.869 --> 00:55:59.329
Everyone's excited that this is going to be Peter Tobin,
884
00:55:59.750 --> 00:56:00.429
and it's not.
885
00:56:01.010 --> 00:56:01.789
But here's the hook.
886
00:56:03.210 --> 00:56:06.630
The DNA profile is so close to Peter Tobin that
887
00:56:06.650 --> 00:56:09.639
it could not be anything other than a family member,
888
00:56:09.940 --> 00:56:10.519
a relative.
889
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.599
Immediately, police head back to Kathy Wilson and her son Daniel.
890
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:29.599
Could familial DNA be the forensic smoking gun? In late 2007,
891
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.889
officers from Operation Antigram uncovered the bodies of Vicki Hamilton
892
00:56:33.949 --> 00:56:38.210
and Dinah McNichol, buried in a home previously owned by
893
00:56:38.269 --> 00:56:43.909
convicted murderer Peter Tobin. For his former wife, Kathy Wilson,
894
00:56:43.929 --> 00:56:48.050
the latest revelations of Tobin's brutality are hard to process.
895
00:56:49.690 --> 00:56:52.380
I've now accepted that this is the person he is,
896
00:56:52.539 --> 00:56:56.260
I think. But the revelations that keep coming out about
897
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:01.860
this man just don't stop. There's no end to it.
898
00:57:03.369 --> 00:57:06.349
Dinah's hands and feet had been bound, her mouth gagged
899
00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:09.800
to stop her screaming. The 18-year-old's body gave up few
900
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.650
secrets when dug from Tobin's garden nearly two decades after
901
00:57:13.690 --> 00:57:17.429
she disappeared. The body of Vicky Hamilton had been found
902
00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:19.469
alongside that of Dinah McNichol.
903
00:57:21.889 --> 00:57:24.920
The girls were dismembered, so if you ever doubted at
904
00:57:24.969 --> 00:57:27.199
any point that this was his first murder up in Scotland,
905
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:28.900
you could quite clearly see now that he's a very
906
00:57:28.940 --> 00:57:35.860
capable of really obscene, disgusting, gruesome kind of acts. He'd
907
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.199
just abandoned them. and moved on to someone else. He
908
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.079
really has no remorse in his body at all.
909
00:57:43.460 --> 00:57:44.239
Not a single bit.
910
00:57:49.690 --> 00:57:52.949
When we have crimes like these, we need to remember
911
00:57:52.989 --> 00:57:55.630
that survivors who are living with the impact of it,
912
00:57:56.349 --> 00:57:58.449
the trauma is everlasting.
913
00:57:59.070 --> 00:58:02.940
I think probably the underlying thought that I had was
914
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:08.250
that I'd got away. Then I started to wonder how
915
00:58:08.309 --> 00:58:11.190
I'd got away and what had I done differently to
916
00:58:11.230 --> 00:58:14.130
make me get away. But the bottom line was that
917
00:58:14.150 --> 00:58:17.829
I had got away, but I should be dead. And
918
00:58:17.909 --> 00:58:20.230
the only conclusion I came from all of that overthinking,
919
00:58:20.489 --> 00:58:22.960
which I still believe now, is the reason he didn't
920
00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:25.739
kill me is because I gave him a son. And
921
00:58:25.900 --> 00:58:29.940
something about having a son changed his view of me.
922
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.800
If Daniel had saved his mother's life, could he now
923
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:39.489
also help convict his father? If the DNA found on
924
00:58:39.570 --> 00:58:43.110
Vicki Hamilton's purse is Daniel's, it'll be the key to
925
00:58:43.170 --> 00:58:47.530
securing Tobin's conviction. But is this Daniel's DNA?
926
00:58:48.769 --> 00:58:54.300
Daniel provided his DNA samples to be compared, and that
927
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.920
was confirmed that that was his DNA that was on
928
00:58:57.940 --> 00:59:02.760
that purse. Tobin's son, Daniel, a three-year-old boy.
929
00:59:04.449 --> 00:59:07.840
It's the definitive link to Tobin that investigators had been
930
00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:08.550
desperate for.
931
00:59:08.610 --> 00:59:15.239
It links the purse, it links Vicky to the purse,
932
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.699
it links the son to be there, and it links Tobin.
933
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.099
So it was all part of a chain of evidence.
934
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.119
Knowing that it was Daniel's DNA that was a crucial
935
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:29.900
piece in the police jigsaw of building the crime up
936
00:59:31.750 --> 00:59:33.530
And it made us feel quite proud that we were
937
00:59:33.570 --> 00:59:34.809
able to help in some kind of way.
938
00:59:38.130 --> 00:59:42.900
The case against Tobin is now irrefutable. And in 2008
939
00:59:42.900 --> 00:59:46.219
and 2009, while he's in jail, he's placed on trial
940
00:59:46.300 --> 00:59:50.280
for the murders of Vicki Hamilton and Dinah McNichol, finally
941
00:59:50.340 --> 01:00:03.289
to be revealed as the serial killer he is. At trial,
942
01:00:03.369 --> 01:00:07.670
Tobin continues to deny all charges against him. And in court,
943
01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:13.059
he sits impassively, never looking up. That is, until it's
944
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.400
time for Kathy Wilson to testify.
945
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.840
Now all of a sudden, when Kathy Wilson was giving evidence,
946
01:00:20.070 --> 01:00:24.389
his behavior changed. And you could tell he was still infatuated,
947
01:00:24.469 --> 01:00:26.380
and he's staring at her and looking at her.
948
01:00:27.449 --> 01:00:30.690
With Kathy's testimony and a wealth of evidence against him,
949
01:00:31.170 --> 01:00:34.889
Tobin is convicted of both murders. Sentenced to life in
950
01:00:34.949 --> 01:00:39.019
prison with no possibility of parole, the court has recognized
951
01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:42.119
the danger he would pose should he ever be released.
952
01:00:43.179 --> 01:00:46.400
Today's verdict confirms Peter Tobin as one of Britain's most
953
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:51.130
prolific criminals, a man who, motivated by sexual desire, is
954
01:00:51.190 --> 01:00:53.670
now known to have murdered at least three women.
955
01:00:54.690 --> 01:00:57.989
Peter Tobin is a predator. That is who he is.
956
01:00:58.130 --> 01:01:02.150
He is always on the lookout for vulnerabilities, for prey.
957
01:01:02.809 --> 01:01:06.550
The kind of murders that we've seen from Tobin are
958
01:01:07.369 --> 01:01:10.420
not outbursts, but they are an absolute integral part of
959
01:01:10.469 --> 01:01:15.900
his personality. So it's inevitable that given the opportunity, if
960
01:01:15.940 --> 01:01:19.539
not incarcerated, this is somebody, this is a personality that
961
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:24.159
will continue to commit these kinds of crimes. until the
962
01:01:24.179 --> 01:01:24.679
dying day.
963
01:01:26.260 --> 01:01:29.360
Tobin was convicted of three murders, but has he been
964
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:31.400
held accountable for all of his crimes?
965
01:01:32.380 --> 01:01:35.099
So here is always the unanswered question at the end
966
01:01:35.260 --> 01:01:38.159
of an investigation involving a serial killer, even when it's
967
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:39.360
successful like this one.
968
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:44.239
Was, is, are there more? Are there more bodies?
969
01:01:44.300 --> 01:01:46.599
Are there more victims out there that we just don't
970
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:48.719
know about and may never know about?
971
01:01:50.260 --> 01:01:53.199
In prison, he has boasted of killing 48 women, and
972
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:56.809
officers working on Operation Anagram are trying to establish if
973
01:01:56.869 --> 01:01:58.989
the serial killer is telling the truth.
974
01:01:59.869 --> 01:02:04.750
In the years following Tobin's convictions, Operation Anagram continued to
975
01:02:04.829 --> 01:02:08.679
investigate Tobin's links to dozens of other potential murders.
976
01:02:08.699 --> 01:02:14.380
Is there any way that you can assist us? Father
977
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.110
doesn't know where she is, her family, we don't know. Sorry,
978
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:17.610
I can't help you.
979
01:02:18.309 --> 01:02:18.800
We have no men.
980
01:02:19.889 --> 01:02:20.889
As I say, I've never met her.
981
01:02:22.349 --> 01:02:27.210
But despite Tobin's bragging to fellow prisoners about committing 48 murders,
982
01:02:27.809 --> 01:02:31.630
no other definitive evidence was ever found. But thanks to
983
01:02:31.769 --> 01:02:35.590
Operation Anagram, some sense of closure is possible for the
984
01:02:35.650 --> 01:02:37.760
families of some of Tobin's victims.
985
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.000
I'm proud of what I did setting up Operation Anagram
986
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:43.360
because we would never have known what happened to these
987
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:47.500
young women. But I'm disappointed that we haven't found out
988
01:02:48.500 --> 01:02:49.360
other people that he killed.
989
01:02:51.619 --> 01:02:54.030
I have a feeling he's sitting in a prison cell now,
990
01:02:55.530 --> 01:02:58.710
not concerning himself with the impact he's had on anyone's life,
991
01:02:59.869 --> 01:03:02.090
mine or Daniel's or any of the other people that
992
01:03:02.110 --> 01:03:06.980
he's attacked and hurt. I think he's merciless and with
993
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:11.380
no compassion at all. So when I think back about
994
01:03:11.619 --> 01:03:13.860
my times with Peter all those years ago and the
995
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:17.159
horrible things he made me endure and the horrible way
996
01:03:17.179 --> 01:03:19.730
I was treated and the cruelness that he showed me,
997
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:24.199
I can say with hand on heart that one good
998
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.260
thing did come out of that, and that was to
999
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.079
have my son Daniel.
1000
01:03:33.219 --> 01:03:37.599
Still curious? Join the Curious Collective for just £ 1.
1001
01:03:37.469 --> 01:03:37.849
99 a month.
1002
01:03:38.969 --> 01:03:43.550
No tiers, no locked content, just full access. You'll get
1003
01:03:43.610 --> 01:03:49.829
exclusive documentaries, ad-free members-only videos, early access, custom badges, emojis
1004
01:03:50.289 --> 01:03:55.159
and member discounts. Hit join below and become part of
1005
01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:00.510
the investigation. Before you go, I want to give a
1006
01:04:00.550 --> 01:04:02.969
special thank you to the members of the Curious Collective.
1007
01:04:04.070 --> 01:04:07.369
Your support helps keep Dead Curious growing and allows me
1008
01:04:07.409 --> 01:04:12.409
to bring more documentaries, more investigations and more mysteries. Thank
1009
01:04:12.449 --> 01:04:13.809
you for being part of the Collective.