EP 146: Sasquatch Variable

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Views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience
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do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the hosts, sponsors,
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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion
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is advised. 911, what are you reporting?
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We got someone or something crawling around out here.
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Did you see what it was? Was it a person
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or an animal?
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I can't tell.
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All I know is that my sensor light came on
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and I just happened to glance and see this thing
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running across the yard.
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A good-sized man or something.
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It looks like a man. I don't know what it was.
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Back in 2005, we set out with one goal, to
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give voice to the mystery and those who pursue it.
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Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go-to source for serious
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Bigfoot discussions. where we separate fact from folklore, always grounded
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in research and respect. We've interviewed eyewitnesses, experts, and skeptic alike,
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because understanding Bigfoot isn't just about belief. It's about the journey.
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Nearly two decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories.
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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.
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Jesus Christ, you better.
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Hello? Get somebody out here. You know, as I say
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time and time again, my favorite part of that is
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with Henry May. At the bottom. Good evening, folks. Welcome
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to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, September 21st, 2006. Holy shit,
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we jumped 20 years back into the past. It's been
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one of those days. I'm Sean the Fork Shop Worker.
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That's James Baker singing away. Matt Arner down in the
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bottom square. And our guest tonight, our good friend Aaron
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Deese joining us from Small Town Monsters, our guest of honor. Hello.
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Thank you. No, honor's mine, man.
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Oh, we're glad you're here with us tonight, buddy. Thank
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you so much for agreeing to do this. You're a
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busy man. Wow.
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You know, who's not these days? These wild modern times.
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Wild modern times, that's for sure. But before we get
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started on tonight's show, guys, I did want to start
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off on a little bit of a sad note as
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we're learning here. Over the last couple hours, old friend
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and researcher Esther Schritter passed away recently, yesterday or today.
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And it's now starting to take community by storm. Esther
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is one of those, I don't want to say behind
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the scenes, that's always kind of minimizing, but she was
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one of the less... And I don't want to say prominent,
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but putting themselves out there, researchers, and really did a
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phenomenal job of really starting the foundations of the online
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Bigfoot community. I met Esther many, many years ago through
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conversations on PalTalk for anybody that was around during those times.
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And we had a Bigfoot chat room. And, you know, myself, J.
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Michael Long, Henry May, and the list could go on.
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Matt Knapp. The list could go on and on of
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the who's who of Bigfoot that had connection with Esther
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Kevin Morrison, our Canadian friend. I had to put that
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out there since Baker upset the Canadians a couple weeks ago. And,
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you know, just a litany of others. She was a
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fixture at Beachfoot. Our friend Amy Boo, you know, who
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had a great interaction with Esther. It's just so damn sad, guys.
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And I don't want to put us out on a bun,
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but we keep losing these luminaries. And it's, you know,
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disappointing and sad. Because, you know, tomorrows aren't guaranteed for
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any of us. So some of us are young and
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it may be in great shape. None of us have
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that date emboldened anywhere where we know is our time.
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So we just put our thoughts out there to the
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friends and family of Esther. And, you know, our thoughts
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are with them all right now. So not trying to
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dwell too much on the negative. But she was a
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good friend. She'll be missed. And condolences to her. For
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friends and family. But guys, tonight we do have Aaron
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with us. And Aaron actually, sadly, wasn't with us last
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week while we were hanging out with Small Town Monsters.
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And neither Matt nor I were together last week at
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the same time. So it's been a week of, a
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couple weeks of Matt, you and I passing like two
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shelves at night. And our research, our research season's upon us. Brother,
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we got to get out there because we've had some
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very interesting things occur. So go ahead and I'll let
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you take it away for a little bit about your
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experience last week and uh, so forth.
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Well, I'll tell you what, we had a great time
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meeting with, uh, the crew from small town monsters. Um,
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unfortunately I didn't get to have a repeat of, uh,
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2025 where we had the elk that walked in front
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of us with Heather and Courtney saying, Aaron, don't get
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out of the car. Don't get out of the car.
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Hey, those things are just nevermind.
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Sorry.
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Yeah.
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We did. I tried to show them the elk, but
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we took them to some incredible spots, including an area
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where last year we do our Potter County Town Hall.
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And I was up there with Gwen Purcell and her husband.
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And you know what?
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We were just going up there just to do some
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call blasting. No, we didn't have our recorders out. We
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were just having fun. And man, something happened. where we
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had this tree just come ripping down from about, I'd
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say about 250, 300 yards from us. And that was
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just an incredible moment. So I got to take Seth
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and the crew there. And we got to spend some
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time in, you know, our backyard in north central PA
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and really hearing Seth and the crew talk about the beauty.
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of that particular area. Uh, it just really, uh, you know,
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warm my heart. So that was, uh, that was an excellent, uh,
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excellent time. I wish I could have been off, uh, uh,
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for the taping with, uh, with Sean and, uh, but, uh,
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but I understand that they had a, they had a
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great night. I was there in spirit. I was going
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around chatting. Yeah, I was chatting. I was sending them
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the Onyx links and yeah, we're going back and forth. Um,
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I did find, I don't know if I should say anything,
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but I, I did find some interesting information about where
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they were. And, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll tell you because
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it's really, it's really something. Cause I did see that, uh,
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we do have a couple of people from STM that are, uh,
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that are here that maybe were out in those woods, uh,
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last week with, uh, with Sean and, uh, and Mike,
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but there is a local legend of a ghost. on
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that particular road where they were at. And the ghost
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name is crush face. So the reason he got that
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name is he was a lumberjack, uh, back at the
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turn of the century, apparently was involved in a logging accident.
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The log happened to hit him, you know, smack in
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the face. And yeah, that'll, that'll, that'll really kind of
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get you going. But, uh, at that point, um, Over
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the last, you know, probably 75 years, they've been seeing, yes, Brian,
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crush face. They have been seeing this ghost walking around
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the mountains of north central PA in that particular valley
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where he met his demise. So you may not find Bigfoot,
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but you know what? Maybe you're going to, you know,
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run into crush face.
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Aaron, I think I have a new project for us.
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Hey, I'm fearful.
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Project Crush Face.
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Project Crush Face.
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That's the name of a.
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The flannel killer.
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A robot from that show BattleBots. I don't know why
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that's the first name.
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I knew a girl named Crush Face.
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Oh, boy. Baker. He's one more comment away from getting
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the permanent mute button tonight.
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Wow.
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Anyhow. Matt, thanks for sharing that with us today. And again,
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I'm excited because... we've never heard of that before all
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the time we spent up there. I've never heard of
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crush face nor, and now I'm really intrigued.
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It came up in one of the, uh, Potter County legends, uh, legends,
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myths and lore. And I just, I literally just found
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out about tonight. So I went in.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, there we go. We're going to have to, and
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as Steve, I like to say, talk about a wood knock. Yeah, absolutely.
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That'll do it. Well, Without delaying more into this, we're
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already almost 10 minutes into the show. I do want
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to start getting some questions for Aaron because he is
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our guest of honor tonight. And if we don't stop,
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Matt and I will go on all evening.
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I've missed just talking to you guys. So this is cool.
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I mean, you know.
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Well, that's what this is like. It's just like having conversations.
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But it's focused on you. And I know that's not
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always a comfortable thing to the guests. It's all about you, man.
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It's all about you tonight. Aaron, we'll start off with
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the question we ask all our guests that come on
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and do this. How the hell did you get started
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in this wild journey you started to take?
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It's something I've always been interested in at one capacity
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or another. My mom watched Unsolved Mysteries when I was
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a kid, and that was kind of my introduction. What
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really kicked it for me was when the Mothman Prophecies
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came out, the movie. I saw it on opening night
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with two friends, one of whom is no longer with us,
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I learned recently. But watching that movie, and I read
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the book around the same time, I can't remember if
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it was before or after. I think it was like during.
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I think I had started it and then like finished
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it after I saw the film. And at the end
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of that, I was like, even if none of this
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actually happened, people think that this happened. And that's fascinating.
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That's amazing to me, you know. Um, so it kind
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of just stuck around throughout most of my life as a,
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as an interest. And then once the pandemic, you know, got,
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got underway, uh, like a lot of people who started
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podcasting during that era, Hey Jay, I know him. Um,
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I started podcasting about the paranormal during the pandemic and
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that in a roundabout way, not roundabout, fairly direct actually, uh,
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led me to be acquainted with Seth and Heather and
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the rest of the crew over there. And, Now that's
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what I do most of the time. I love that.
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Well, the pandemic brought us out of retirement too. Like
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with such much experience, we all had a little bit
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of extra time. So it's like, what are we going
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to do besides start podcasting again, which is great. And,
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you know, it's interesting that a lot of us come
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from that. I think kind of generationally, you and I
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might be in that same, you know, category or generation
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or whatever you want to call it. The unsolved mysteries.
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in search of kind of crowd. And that's all we
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had growing up there. And we didn't have small town
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monsters back then. We didn't have a lot of this. Uh,
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we didn't have YouTube or any of these, you know,
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content created media that's, that's out there. Uh, the endless
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supply of cryptozoology, good and bad.
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Right.
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And so it's a much different time. And I'm glad
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that you took the foray into that because when we
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got to meet you and hang out and, You know,
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you're somebody that is passionate about this and it's a
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genuine thing. And I think it's important to notate that
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this isn't just a fly by night thing for you.
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You got bit by the bug. And once that happens,
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it's it's dangerous.
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It doesn't leave you alone. Yeah, for sure. You hear
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a lot of people say like, oh, the phenomenon chooses you.
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And like, you know, in a in a very abstract,
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broad reaching way, broad reaching way. There we go. Um,
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I think that applies to a lot of us. I
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think we kind of stumble into it and then stick around,
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but yeah.
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Very much so. And it is, it's a much, much
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of a mystery as the mystery itself is, you know,
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to me, I always say it beats bowling. Not that
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there's anything wrong with people that bowl or anything like that,
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but this is my, this is how I relax, you know, getting,
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going out into the woods to get chased by big
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hairy monsters. Uh, no Baker, don't touch that. Stop. I
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didn't say anything.
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I saw the eyebrow.
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I saw the eyebrow twitch. I, I, I, First of all,
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I was going to state the fact is a lot
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of times it's kind of like once you get into
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certain things, like I used to collect trains, I connect robots,
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I collect a bunch of things. You find other people
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that are semi-interested in it or you tell somebody and they,
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like when I tell people what I do on the
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side here and hanging out with him and go to
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these festivals and everybody's like, there's the people that are
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either really hyper-interested and, oh, wait, what'd you see? What'd
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you do with this? I said, I saw nothing, but
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I got drunk all day.
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Okay. It was an amazing time. Okay. But, but then
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you have the other ones on the other half that
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go like my, my brother's one. They'll go, so did
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you see Bigfoot today?
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I went to work, dumbass. Okay.
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Like, but those people, the people that remind you and
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drive you to like, I'm going to go try to
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go out in the woods because I can forget he exists.
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You know, or I or, you know, like you learn
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more about something because then when they make some stupid comment,
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you're like, no, it's got a rocket. It's not a
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red rocket. It's a regular.
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OK, you know.
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That lady again. Oh, my God. That's that. Maybe you're
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going to you. You upset the Canadians. I had to
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do some backpedaling on that one. It wasn't the penis
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that bothered the Canadians. They have no trouble with the penis.
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It had to do with smoke in their area caused
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by a forest fire. So let's be clear why I
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pissed them off. And specifically, Karen said she talked for them. Right.
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Who spoke for all Canadians.
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Who is she, Justin Trudeau?
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I'm surprised you knew that. That's impressive. Yeah, James does
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know some shit. And again... Folks, we apologize for the
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red rocket question. That's going to get the ladies all.
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That's a dog, man. That's a biological question, by the way.
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I know the difference.
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What's chasing you? We digress. We behave. Yes. Put you
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in the corner. Matt, you're going to have to take
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it away here in a second. Oh, good God. We
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were talking about you getting.
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Into the conversation and, you.
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Know, getting hooked up with small town monsters and going
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on the road. And what's been some of the great
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things that. uh, has kept you going with STM, man.
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Like you've, you've just dive in. You didn't wait and
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you dove in.
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You just jumped right into the pool.
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I kind of, I still feel like I tripped. I said,
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I think I used the phrase tripping into it earlier
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and I feel like that's a lot of it. But, um, yeah, I, I,
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I came from a career that I liked for a
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long time and then really didn't like for a lot
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for not as long as I liked it. But, um,
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I just reached a point where I was not happy
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anymore and what I was doing. And my son was
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like six months old at the time. And he was
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noticing when I left for work and that was really difficult. So, um,
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I left my old job, not really being sure what
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I was going to do next, other than being a
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stay at home dad. And around that time, Seth was like, well, Hey,
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do you want to maybe like do some work with us?
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And every step of the way, it's been the most fun, rewarding, uh,
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interesting job that I've ever had because it, it, it
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started as a passion, you know, it started as a hobby. Um,
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so I had a couple of years to try it
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out before I had any idea that I was going
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to do it full time every day, you know? And
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I guess that it's just something I like doing. Like
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that's a really simple roundabout way of saying, it's just
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something I really, really like doing. And the crew's great. Like,
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you know, everybody at STM is a genuinely, uh, genuinely
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good person um who i would consider a friend beyond
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the stuff that we do that has anything to do
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with bigfoot and that's hard to find like it's hard
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to find anywhere but never mind the people that you
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talk to every day for work you know um i
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don't know like what keeps me going with it i
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don't have a reason to stop i have yet to
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find a reason to quit there are days where i'm
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tired don't want to talk about bigfoot anymore but i
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think that's that's everything you know.
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Right yeah yeah I think we all have that problem,
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especially when there's so many people talking about it now.
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It's different when it's original and fresh and now there's
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so many voices. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I
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don't want to go on a whole diatribe about the
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state of cryptozoology or Bigfoot podcasting, and we could, right?
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And folks, just remember, just because you can do something
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doesn't mean you should. But, and we need to take
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that advice sometimes ourselves, but again, I think if anything,
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you've really helped expand the quality of the work STM
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is doing. And I think I had that conversation with
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Seth last week. Like, I think you've been a great
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addition to the team. And again, I'm a longtime supporter,
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you know, I was supporting it when it was, there's
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just Minerva, which is my least favorite. I got maybe
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set the cringe when I say that, but again, I
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really do think that the work you do is great.
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And I actually had the privilege of being out in
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the field and spending time with you you touch on
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that a little bit on your book and we'll get
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to the book in just a minute. Cause you know,
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you got books to sell and we're got you here
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to do that. But you know, you've been out in
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the field, you've done, you've done on the trail of UFOs, right?
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You've done, you know, some of the Bigfoot. What's been
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your favorite topic to tackle?
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Oh, if you'd asked me that six months ago or
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maybe a year ago, I would have said dog, man. Um,
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and I'll always, always have a, uh, a special kind
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of affection for that topic. Cause it's the one that
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really like, sorry, uh, that's the one that really kind
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of roped me into this to the point that I
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was like, okay, there's enough here that I could go
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back every day and keep researching this. And I still
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feel that way about that topic. Um, but as dog
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man has grown in popularity within the wider sphere of
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the paranormal niche, uh, the fun of researching it has
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diminished somewhat, uh, Um, kind of, kind of in the
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way you were talking about earlier, you know, the, the,
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the romance of the pre internet to early internet days,
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that's kind of gone now. Like there's a lot of voices,
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a lot of personalities, a lot of contrasting opinions and
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not saying that's a bad thing either. Um, but in
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the dog man world, I feel like it's sometimes a
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competition to see like just who can have the craziest story,
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you know, and, and everything I could say about dog, man,
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you could also say about the Bigfoot community, but sure.
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You know, sometimes I'll start thinking about this and I'm like,
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how is this different though? Because it's kind of the
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same in the UFO world. It's the same in the
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ghost world. It's the same.
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My evidence is bigger than yours.
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Yeah, exactly. Everybody knows, but nobody actually knows. But I
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don't know, man. It's at one point when I wrote
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the Texas Dogman Triangle, it was a struggle to find
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enough dogman witnesses in Texas to justify writing a book.
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And I still think, We did a good job. I
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say we. I had a lot of help. Now, if
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I just search Texas dog man, I can't. You're tripping
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over comments. Instagram, TikTok stuff. A lot of it's AI schlock.
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A lot of it's maybe legitimate eyewitness encounters. But there's
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a very deep pool now. The pool is much. deeper,
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but it's also polluted. There's a lot of other stuff
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in there. So when I wrote TDT, I was reasonably
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convinced that anybody I talked to was sincere because there
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was zero motivation to lie about any of this. There
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was no atmosphere in which lying about this made sense.
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that's not true anymore. And now if you have a
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wild dog man story, it's very clickable. It's very, it
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generates a lot of attention. So I don't know. I
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don't know. Dog man has been my favorite for a
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long time while I was writing Sasquatch variables, very much Bigfoot.
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Cause I feel like writing that book really like rejuvenated
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my passion for it in a way that I didn't
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think was possible. But right now, I don't know. I'm
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kind of, I'm kind of floating. I'm kind of drifting.
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It'll probably end up being whenever I write the next
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book about, which I know I can't say what that
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is yet.
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So don't give any spoilers.
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Tune into the project announcement stream on October 7th over
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the small town monsters, YouTube channel to find out. There
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you go.
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October 7th, your folks, your butts better be in the
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seats glued to the screen for the next announcement. And even,
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I don't know what it is yet. So don't try
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to bother me about it. I don't even, I like
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the surprise too. It's hard to surprise me anymore. I
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like to, I like secrets.
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I'll tell you. Not right now, but I.
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Will tell you. Don't do that. I want a surprise too, Aaron.
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Where's my list of questions here? I know that seems
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really silly, but you spent a lot of time, you know,
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documenting Dogman stories. And, you know, I think you, we
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probably have conflicting opinions on Dogman, which is funny because
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I've spent so much time on Bigfoot myself, but I'm,
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I'm anti-dog man. It's sad that I am that way.
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But you know what?
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Well, I understand.
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I don't know if I'm anti about it because I
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think it's just absurd or if it's because of all
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the stories, you know? Because there were some stories I've
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heard which absolutely make sense and absolutely are, I could
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see being plausible. And then there's all this fiction that
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comes out, you know, the Bigfoot dog man wars and
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all this other crap that, you know, people promote out
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there as being legitimate situations that just as, as somebody
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who tries to keep this as core, as scientific as
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possible drives me up the wall. And I think that's
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why I have such a problem with dog man is
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the absurdity of, I just think those stories seem to
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go a little bit more to the extreme than the
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Bigfoot encounters. A lot of your Bigfoot encounter encounters are benign, right?
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They're just basic. I say basic again. I always do that, Matt,
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you know, run of the mill road crossing, which in
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themselves are, you know, extraordinary, but, It's not like a dogma, like, oh,
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I made eye contact with this thing, and it was
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truly an ancient beast, and I could feel the evil.
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Like, man, tone back. And that's where the difficulty comes in,
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I think, because that level of intensity within that phenomenon
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is already kind of amped up. I mean, I'm not
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talking about anybody in particular. I'm not pointing to any
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particular witness, but when something reaches this point of inundation,
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There are going to be people out there making up stories.
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That's just a fact. I've said that on the CM Live.
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I'll say it again a hundred times. So I feel
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like that level of amping it up is so much
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more extreme because the baseline stories were already kind of intense.
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If you look at just the Dogman encounters that Linda
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Godfrey wrote about, those were already getting into some spooky territory.
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So now it's like, oh, man. Whoever this person is
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that's out there going, I've got to one up this,
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you know, what are they going to do next? It
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flies now.
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I don't know.
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Like, and that's kind of where it's getting. If you
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go perusing the online sphere and dogman encounters, that's kind
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of the territory we're getting into.
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Well, look, I was in on the ground early on the,
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what became the lichen loop up in Pennsylvania, right? The
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area concentrate, everything's geometric, you know, loops and triangles. Yeah.
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Cause that's human brains, right? We always like to correlate
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things to shapes because we can relate to it. It's
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good for geographic locations. Thank you, Bermuda. But with that
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being said, to your point, at this point, I'm waiting
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for a man in a trench coat chasing dogmen around
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the woods, yelling, I shot him six times. It needs
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its own Dr. Loomis now. Maybe that could be you.
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These stories get so outrageous and I don't know. It just,
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it just gets to me in that way. Like it's
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almost fictional to the, you know, to a, to a parody,
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you know.
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And, and that's become my main frustration with it because
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I'm a very, very big believer in being beholden to
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eyewitness testimony and taking people at their word when they
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go out on a limb to share a story with you.
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I think that's core to what we do at STM. Um,
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and personally, I just think it's important, like, you know,
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00:24:41.890 --> 00:24:43.849
treat people with decency, take them at their word when
477
00:24:43.869 --> 00:24:49.460
you can. But, uh, you there's that. And then there's
478
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:53.400
like wanting to, to be maybe skeptical is the wrong word,
479
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.240
but wanting to be logical and pragmatic and say, okay, but,
480
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.380
but like, what about this?
481
00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:57.900
You know?
482
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.240
Cause sometimes someone will give you an encounter story and
483
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:03.819
this is not, I'm not thinking of anything that's appeared
484
00:25:03.859 --> 00:25:05.440
in any of my books or any of our films.
485
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.259
You know, sometimes we have to, sometimes you admit things.
486
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.480
I've admitted things in books before, but sometimes someone will
487
00:25:11.509 --> 00:25:14.150
give you a story and they'll describe what happened. And
488
00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:17.920
it's like, okay, this could be a cryptozoological encounter, but
489
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.200
then they start adding things in that don't make sense.
490
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.809
Like if you're watching a movie and you start asking,
491
00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:25.589
why is the hero doing this? Why is the protagonist
492
00:25:25.630 --> 00:25:26.730
making these decisions?
493
00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:28.650
Yeah.
494
00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:30.890
And it's like, well, they're making these decisions because the
495
00:25:30.950 --> 00:25:33.029
writers or the director needed to move them into the
496
00:25:33.089 --> 00:25:38.099
next act. So yeah, they needed a MacGuffin. Sometimes you'll
497
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.880
hear an encounter or you'll talk to somebody and, and
498
00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:44.299
it's like, you get that same feeling of like this
499
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.339
just doesn't make sense in reality i don't know why
500
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:48.460
you would do that and again i'm not i'm not
501
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.000
like throwing shade at anybody that's out there i'm not
502
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:52.900
talking about anybody that i've worked with i don't do
503
00:25:52.940 --> 00:25:56.700
that as a matter of policy um but but it's
504
00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:58.460
just out there it's a part of the vibe you
505
00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:01.720
know it's out there now so it's tough i mean
506
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:03.000
you make a.
507
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.240
Good point we always talk about this when we talk
508
00:26:05.289 --> 00:26:09.579
about I always have this biggest problem when we talk
509
00:26:09.619 --> 00:26:12.740
about when we have moments with someone who's truly seen something.
510
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.440
You can always tell to a degree, especially when you've, like,
511
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.140
I've never seen anything, but I believe people that have
512
00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:22.740
said they have. But I also have that in the
513
00:26:22.779 --> 00:26:25.920
back of my head is you can look at them physically,
514
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:27.960
and I'm sure Matt's better at it than I am
515
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.509
because being a police officer, but if they don't believe
516
00:26:31.569 --> 00:26:34.829
that you're following the story or that you're caring about
517
00:26:34.910 --> 00:26:38.609
what they're saying, They'll add a notch. Like, no, it
518
00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:42.089
was a big foot, but he was seven. He was, no,
519
00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:43.349
I don't think it was seven. I think he was
520
00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:45.190
nine feet tall and.
521
00:26:44.829 --> 00:26:48.819
He was carrying a goat or a raccoon or half
522
00:26:48.859 --> 00:26:50.900
a raccoon. The goat was talking.
523
00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:51.559
Yeah.
524
00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:55.180
And in the background, there were all these orbs and
525
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.240
I'm like, yeah, sure, man.
526
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:56.700
Okay.
527
00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.579
But there's a point where you lose the, like the
528
00:26:59.619 --> 00:27:02.960
first investigation me and Forker ever went to together was,
529
00:27:03.339 --> 00:27:05.299
We went and just talked to this gentleman and this
530
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:07.779
gentleman plots down this picture and he.
531
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.789
Circled all this stuff. And I hate circlers, this and
532
00:27:10.809 --> 00:27:12.650
this and this and this and this. And all these
533
00:27:13.109 --> 00:27:15.890
guys that have been doing this for years are all like, yeah, man,
534
00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:18.369
what really told me about this? Tell me about that.
535
00:27:18.690 --> 00:27:20.970
And I asked the stupidest question on the planet. I'm like,
536
00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:23.549
you got the original picture, bro. You know, and they're
537
00:27:23.589 --> 00:27:25.470
like looking at me like I, my head.
538
00:27:25.269 --> 00:27:28.690
Spinning around and I'm caught, you know, that I, Then I've, I've, I've,
539
00:27:28.710 --> 00:27:31.569
he costed this gentleman and he's like, yeah, oh man,
540
00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:32.079
I got it.
541
00:27:32.130 --> 00:27:34.289
I wanted to show you guys. No, bring it up.
542
00:27:34.609 --> 00:27:37.470
Pops it down. It's a picture of grandma's bay window
543
00:27:37.549 --> 00:27:42.150
for shit. Not okay. Outside, whatever. There's no whatever. But
544
00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:45.000
the fact was, is every time someone paid attention, there
545
00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:46.339
was a new circle. Yeah.
546
00:27:47.059 --> 00:27:49.680
You know, and, and, and, you know, and then once
547
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.430
that happened, all the scientists and walked away and they're
548
00:27:53.450 --> 00:27:55.569
like oh my god you know we we wasted a
549
00:27:55.589 --> 00:27:57.769
lot of time and i was like yeah you ain't staring.
550
00:27:57.549 --> 00:28:01.109
At me now are you and then you jumped out
551
00:28:01.150 --> 00:28:02.009
of a moving jeep.
552
00:28:02.309 --> 00:28:06.250
Wow okay so i thought i was going to be
553
00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:07.869
mrs vorhees but that's a.
554
00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:13.210
Whole other conversation fair enough no i mean but you
555
00:28:13.230 --> 00:28:15.690
know again that was your you know sometimes baker comes
556
00:28:15.730 --> 00:28:19.380
up with gems you know he's You heard MacGuffin out
557
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.509
of them tonight, and I'm impressed with James.
558
00:28:22.549 --> 00:28:23.130
Well, you're right.
559
00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:24.750
Sometimes the best thing to do is to jump out
560
00:28:24.769 --> 00:28:26.849
of a moving Jeep, especially after you've been in a
561
00:28:27.190 --> 00:28:29.490
group of Bigfoot people. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what.
562
00:28:29.509 --> 00:28:31.390
Sometimes you need to get in the Jeep.
563
00:28:31.450 --> 00:28:34.329
We were all supposed to get in the Jeep, right? Yeah.
564
00:28:34.430 --> 00:28:36.529
Kelly and I, Kelly, God rest her soul, she and
565
00:28:36.609 --> 00:28:38.509
I stood back and decided we were going to walk
566
00:28:38.549 --> 00:28:40.509
up the mountain road while Baker gets in the Jeep
567
00:28:40.569 --> 00:28:43.869
and decides to drive up the road with this guy.
568
00:28:43.930 --> 00:28:46.009
The next thing you know, maybe halfway up the road.
569
00:28:46.049 --> 00:28:47.410
I was like, no, no, no, we got to stop.
570
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.109
You see a door open and Baker fly out of it.
571
00:28:50.779 --> 00:28:53.000
He's like, no, no, we're almost there. I'm like, no, no,
572
00:28:53.019 --> 00:28:53.400
we're there.
573
00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:56.980
He tucked and rolled.
574
00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:03.480
I weighed probably another 50 pounds, 50 to 60 pounds.
575
00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:04.140
More than I weigh now.
576
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.000
And I was like, no.
577
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.829
Because you ever watch the beginning of Friday the 13th
578
00:29:07.869 --> 00:29:11.170
when Mrs. Voorhees picks up that poor cook lady and
579
00:29:11.190 --> 00:29:12.029
kills her in the woods?
580
00:29:12.269 --> 00:29:13.170
Then it was going to be me.
581
00:29:13.309 --> 00:29:16.339
And then the guy never came back. Like, he never
582
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.039
stopped where we were supposed to stop so that we
583
00:29:19.059 --> 00:29:21.099
could go and look at his search area.
584
00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:22.539
He just kept driving.
585
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.519
I'd have been on a milk carton if it wouldn't
586
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.309
have been for this fest.
587
00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:30.289
You know, that's true. Slightly heated. I never remember that
588
00:29:30.349 --> 00:29:32.130
part of the story, but he never did come back
589
00:29:32.190 --> 00:29:33.869
and liaise with the rest of us. He was gone.
590
00:29:33.890 --> 00:29:33.950
No.
591
00:29:34.690 --> 00:29:35.809
You could have.
592
00:29:35.710 --> 00:29:37.849
Been on a note card. You could have died.
593
00:29:38.009 --> 00:29:38.410
Yeah.
594
00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:39.759
You could have died.
595
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.700
It could have been found somewhere.
596
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:45.079
Okay. Let's not get graphic.
597
00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:45.920
There it is.
598
00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:47.480
See, I knew it was going to go that way.
599
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.460
This is about Aaron tonight.
600
00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:48.759
Anyhow.
601
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:49.180
Anyhow.
602
00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:50.140
Yeah.
603
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.259
Let's talk about when you were. Stop it. Stop.
604
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:55.180
For the love of God.
605
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.119
We're going to have that special moment with Bigfoot.
606
00:29:57.140 --> 00:29:58.819
One hour a week is what I asked for, and
607
00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.799
you can't even shut it off.
608
00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:01.359
I know, an hour. One hour a week.
609
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.140
People like me, except for Kenneth.
610
00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:04.200
Except for Kenneth.
611
00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:07.750
I genuinely enjoy watching Sean try to just get it,
612
00:30:08.009 --> 00:30:09.130
get the shit back.
613
00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:14.190
You know, I really wanted to be a journalist once
614
00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:14.890
upon a time.
615
00:30:16.450 --> 00:30:17.670
Yeah, you'll never be president.
616
00:30:17.690 --> 00:30:19.569
I'm about ready to have a Bill O'Reilly moment.
617
00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:20.710
All right, so.
618
00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:25.359
Let's get back on track. Uh, let's see. Oh, good God.
619
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.920
So we, we talked about, uh, dog, man, we went
620
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.640
off on that, uh, that area and, uh, you, you
621
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.640
got to be out with what Shannon doing, uh, on
622
00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:39.039
the trail UFOs. How was that experience? Cause UFOs, like,
623
00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:43.309
it's not something I have a passing love, hate relationship
624
00:30:43.349 --> 00:30:46.140
with it. Especially when they change it to UAPs instead
625
00:30:46.180 --> 00:30:46.920
of UFOs.
626
00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:50.880
Yeah. I use both terms interchangeably now, and no one's
627
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.799
ever going to stop me. Go for it. And my
628
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.160
favorite thing is when someone tries to tell me why
629
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.980
I shouldn't use one or the other. And if you
630
00:30:58.059 --> 00:30:59.960
use both terms, if you swap them out a lot,
631
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.500
you get to argue with more people.
632
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:02.160
Nice.
633
00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:05.230
I love it. You know, no, I just like, I
634
00:31:05.269 --> 00:31:06.589
like a lot of people. I came up with the
635
00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:10.470
term UFO. I understand UAP. I agree with, with the intent,
636
00:31:10.609 --> 00:31:12.769
but I'm just not going to stop saying UFO. You
637
00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:15.160
could argue that UFOs are a sub branch of UAP.
638
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.440
We could really just put all of this stuff under UAP.
639
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:19.619
It's an animal.
640
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:20.240
Racial slur now.
641
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.900
Is it? What's not these days? Uh, like you could,
642
00:31:26.990 --> 00:31:30.789
you could really like, you could really, uh, argue that
643
00:31:30.829 --> 00:31:35.450
everything's uap it's all unexplained anomalous phenomena but we're not
644
00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:37.029
going to do that we're not going to call bigfoot
645
00:31:37.049 --> 00:31:39.170
a uap so in my mind so we can just
646
00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:39.789
do whatever.
647
00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:39.950
We want.
648
00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:43.869
And did they do that so that it was easier
649
00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:48.630
for like the military and the people then the aircraft
650
00:31:48.769 --> 00:31:52.569
situations to explain it better or did they do that
651
00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.559
just because they wanted to do the whole Let's not
652
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.380
use that other term anymore.
653
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.460
Let's make a term that we, the experts, understand.
654
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.960
I think it's both. Micah Hanks could tell you for sure.
655
00:32:05.019 --> 00:32:06.839
He could give you the exact time and date and
656
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:09.400
who signed the document making it official and all that stuff,
657
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.019
I'm sure. But in my mind, it's to make it
658
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.140
to where it's something that can be discussed and reported
659
00:32:14.329 --> 00:32:18.750
without that knee-jerk reaction to, oh, UFO. You know, and
660
00:32:18.789 --> 00:32:20.150
you could argue that it's not.
661
00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:20.769
Bob needs a break.
662
00:32:21.130 --> 00:32:24.190
Like, huh? Yeah, Bob needs a break.
663
00:32:24.269 --> 00:32:25.230
We're Yeah.
664
00:32:25.710 --> 00:32:27.190
I'm going to take him off the dock for a
665
00:32:27.210 --> 00:32:27.990
couple of minutes.
666
00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:28.690
Leave him alone.
667
00:32:28.750 --> 00:32:29.029
Yeah.
668
00:32:29.289 --> 00:32:29.509
Yeah.
669
00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:33.079
Where were we going? What did we say? We were
670
00:32:33.170 --> 00:32:34.680
at UAPs versus UAPs.
671
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:34.859
Yeah.
672
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:36.619
So what were some of your big takeaways? Because I
673
00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:37.359
haven't had a chance.
674
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:37.799
Oh, yeah.
675
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.119
And feel through it yet, Aaron. This happens sometimes. It's
676
00:32:41.140 --> 00:32:43.480
all right. We have editing. Yeah.
677
00:32:43.579 --> 00:32:48.220
No, that's tough because it was an incredible experience. It
678
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.099
was the longest shoot I've been on. I think it
679
00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:53.980
totaled at nine days with travel. And I count travel days.
680
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.130
How do you not? Um, but pretty much every day,
681
00:32:57.210 --> 00:32:59.099
if it was possible to have a camera in your hand,
682
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.460
you did because we were filming for that. We were
683
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.920
filming for a dog man legacy and the whole schedule
684
00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:10.400
had to be reoriented at the last minute. Cause originally
685
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.900
we were going to start it in Ohio, swing through
686
00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:16.680
like Pennsylvania down to West Virginia, back up through, you know,
687
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.960
like Chicago and all that and end in Ohio. And
688
00:33:18.980 --> 00:33:21.769
then winter storm fern blew in. And it was like,
689
00:33:21.849 --> 00:33:24.529
our options are to cancel everything. And everybody's airfare has
690
00:33:24.569 --> 00:33:27.769
been booked. Lodging's been booked. It's difficult to get that
691
00:33:27.930 --> 00:33:30.990
many people. I can't remember the number of people that
692
00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:32.299
we had right now. If I sat down and went
693
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.430
through the list, I could figure it out. But it
694
00:33:34.650 --> 00:33:37.279
was a big group. It was one of our larger crews.
695
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:39.960
And getting that many adults from different parts of the
696
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:45.519
country in one place is really difficult. So instead of canceling,
697
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.759
we just reoriented. Instead of driving into where the storm
698
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.339
was coming, we kind of drove away from it. and
699
00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:54.440
managed to reach our first main destination before it hit,
700
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.720
hunkered down for two days and kept going. So I'm
701
00:33:57.759 --> 00:33:59.940
not used to snow at all. I don't do that.
702
00:34:00.069 --> 00:34:02.089
I grew up in Florida and then I moved to Texas.
703
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.569
But what it reminded me a lot of was like
704
00:34:04.630 --> 00:34:07.470
growing up during hurricane season and you have to hunker
705
00:34:07.509 --> 00:34:10.710
down and prepare for the worst and like, you know,
706
00:34:10.889 --> 00:34:13.469
all this stuff. So it was like filming a movie
707
00:34:13.989 --> 00:34:17.429
during a hurricane that was frozen, but I, but with
708
00:34:17.489 --> 00:34:21.360
my friends. So it was cool. Um, That's what it
709
00:34:21.389 --> 00:34:23.599
was like. But as far as like the topic and
710
00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:27.179
like perspective on it, the UFO topic these days is
711
00:34:27.219 --> 00:34:30.400
a lot of chatter about government disclosure and whistleblowers and
712
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.579
leaked evidence and leaked documents. And I understand why all
713
00:34:33.619 --> 00:34:37.289
that stuff is very interesting to me. But a frustration
714
00:34:37.329 --> 00:34:40.150
that I have that I believe is shared by other
715
00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:42.250
members of the community, I know is shared by other
716
00:34:42.289 --> 00:34:44.469
members of our team, is that the voice of the
717
00:34:44.530 --> 00:34:47.480
eyewitness gets lost in a lot of that. And where
718
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.400
our discussion on UFOs used to be centered, like if
719
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.739
we talk about our big, high-profile cases, those witnesses all
720
00:34:53.780 --> 00:34:59.530
have names. You know, Cash, Landrum, that's my favorite as
721
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:01.099
far as witnesses because that was such a.
722
00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:02.369
Betty and Barney Hill, right?
723
00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:03.570
Betty and Barney Hill, yeah.
724
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Those are my favorites.
725
00:35:04.530 --> 00:35:06.869
Albert Bender, if you want to pick somebody who's in
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a different category but also still in that area. Like,
727
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these are people we knew about. And Seth made a
728
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.929
really good point that now we don't like hear the
729
00:35:14.969 --> 00:35:18.050
eyewitness names as often. Like there was that incident in
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Las Vegas not too long ago, where people saw beings
731
00:35:20.489 --> 00:35:23.269
in their yards. I knew their names at one point
732
00:35:23.309 --> 00:35:25.599
from reading it in an article, but when people talk
733
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.059
about that, they don't talk about this family, that case.
734
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They talk about the Las Vegas entities.
735
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.579
But what's funny about that is it also just went dark. Yeah.
736
00:35:33.619 --> 00:35:34.760
You just stopped hearing about it.
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It stopped.
738
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Right.
739
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
741
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And I don't remember what the resolution on that was.
742
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But I think.
743
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.059
That kind of happens now, though, because you have the,
744
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.099
you know, congressional hearings, which are sexy, right? Because, you know,
745
00:35:45.139 --> 00:35:49.889
we're getting, you know, we're getting official recognition without official recognition, right?
746
00:35:49.909 --> 00:35:51.849
If you're having hearings about it, I think that pretty
747
00:35:51.909 --> 00:35:55.510
much gains validity of the subject. You have high ranking
748
00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:57.849
government officials coming out and saying it's real. I think
749
00:35:57.909 --> 00:36:01.280
we can move past the need for disclosure, realizing we
750
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.860
have disclosure without a formal statement, right?
751
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.159
Yeah, yeah.
752
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:07.380
Which is different than what we have in Bigfoot, because
753
00:36:07.420 --> 00:36:10.800
we don't. And honestly, you know, and I talked to
754
00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:12.699
Seth and them about this last week, and I always
755
00:36:12.739 --> 00:36:16.349
talk about this, even at our presentations. Like, for me,
756
00:36:16.369 --> 00:36:19.050
you know, and Jeremiah was like, well, time for disclosure
757
00:36:19.110 --> 00:36:22.769
is now for Bigfoot. And, you know, trying to take
758
00:36:22.829 --> 00:36:26.230
some of that attention away and off of ufology to
759
00:36:26.309 --> 00:36:30.889
Sasquatch research, right? Which is not a bad idea, because
760
00:36:30.909 --> 00:36:34.639
it's still the same kind of situation. But with this,
761
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.420
where I think UAPs becomes more of a national security
762
00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:42.320
concern with the reality of a big flood, it's economical
763
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:46.139
and has far more implications in terms of really shutting
764
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:52.719
down industry and affecting the ability to create and generate
765
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.880
revenues for the country. I mean, you affect tourism, you
766
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.159
affect logging, fracking. oil you know all these productive businesses
767
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that we require great distances and land masses to traverse
768
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to produce these things and send them out and now
769
00:37:08.860 --> 00:37:12.139
you have an undocumented primate with an unknown range across
770
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the united states and you know maybe we have to
771
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.260
stop selling uh season passes to state parks or national
772
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.360
parks because bigfoot ate my baby you know.
773
00:37:22.300 --> 00:37:24.739
So that's something that came up quite a bit when
774
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.380
I was talking to people while writing this book. Mike
775
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Lucci and Shane Corson, I believe Alex Petticoat, all made
776
00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:35.659
that point. A formal acknowledgement that this creature exists would
777
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disrupt more than we realize. It wouldn't just be hikes
778
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.659
in Yosemite. There would be massive swaths of industries that
779
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would be affected.
780
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.989
Yeah, and that's a serious thing to contemplate, especially in
781
00:37:48.030 --> 00:37:51.309
the state of today's economy. You know, and You know,
782
00:37:51.389 --> 00:37:53.730
and you have, you know, people going out of work. Like,
783
00:37:53.789 --> 00:37:57.239
look what little stink the ivory bill woodpecker made in
784
00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:58.480
the south when that came out.
785
00:37:58.489 --> 00:37:59.380
Or a spotted owl.
786
00:37:59.679 --> 00:37:59.909
Right.
787
00:38:00.530 --> 00:38:04.820
Or a spotted owl. And those are known animals. You know,
788
00:38:05.300 --> 00:38:08.500
with a range we know, with Sasquatch, we don't have
789
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.119
that certainty. We don't have that.
790
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:11.559
Because it could be like, what if there's just one?
791
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.679
What if there's only one? You know?
792
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:14.119
Yeah.
793
00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:17.400
That, but then also you, you just have like an
794
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unlimited range and then what do you do? So it's,
795
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it's far more complicated, I feel. And not because I've
796
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.849
spent a good deal of my life or trying to
797
00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:31.369
equate or raise the, the seriousness of either topic because
798
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they both have their, their concerns. But, you know, people
799
00:38:34.989 --> 00:38:37.389
haven't really thought, you know, beyond that, Oh, is there
800
00:38:37.409 --> 00:38:39.119
more than one big foot? You know, people don't get
801
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.420
in that contemplative point where, You know, when you look
802
00:38:42.460 --> 00:38:44.460
at this as a real biological being, if it is
803
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.840
a biological being, the impact it really has on society.
804
00:38:47.909 --> 00:38:51.869
And not even going into religious implications, which are completely different, right?
805
00:38:52.369 --> 00:38:55.789
Bigfoot tariffs. Brian Corbin had to put that in there. Yeah.
806
00:38:55.889 --> 00:39:00.010
I mean, essentially, it's something along those lines. We won't
807
00:39:00.030 --> 00:39:01.150
get in touch with that, but.
808
00:39:02.510 --> 00:39:05.130
You know. You're not going to not have people trying
809
00:39:05.150 --> 00:39:07.309
to make more money off of it. Like, that's just
810
00:39:07.670 --> 00:39:11.289
a fact. And I... Hey... I make a living helping
811
00:39:11.349 --> 00:39:14.159
to produce content about Bigfoot. I'm not saying that as
812
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.659
a negative, but like, it's just, okay, well, we know
813
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.559
this is real now. What, what, what can we do?
814
00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:20.940
What can we do? There's going to be people that
815
00:39:20.980 --> 00:39:23.119
own land that find a way to capitalize on that.
816
00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:24.809
And I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying that's a
817
00:39:24.849 --> 00:39:27.969
bad thing, but we would live in a very different world.
818
00:39:28.369 --> 00:39:28.789
Yeah.
819
00:39:29.090 --> 00:39:31.860
But I think I, think, though, that people like you
820
00:39:32.300 --> 00:39:34.519
and some of the other people that actually are making
821
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:38.570
legitimate documentation, and as I've said a hundred times and
822
00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:39.429
you've heard me.
823
00:39:39.349 --> 00:39:41.909
Over the one weekend is, everything we do is a
824
00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:45.670
guess until you have a body. And everything is a guess.
825
00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:46.150
You can call.
826
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.610
And that's why I hate when Bigfooters fight about whether
827
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:53.210
it's spiritual or it's a real animal or whatever. Till
828
00:39:53.789 --> 00:39:56.429
Cousin Judy has had a few beers and hits it
829
00:39:56.449 --> 00:39:59.010
with a truck and you can go down and look
830
00:39:59.030 --> 00:40:02.289
at the body and everybody can do it and that
831
00:40:02.329 --> 00:40:06.409
they have all these biological information. What you say, what
832
00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:08.730
I say, what Matt says, what Sean says, what Henry
833
00:40:08.789 --> 00:40:13.059
says is BS with guessing.
834
00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:16.159
But that's how science works until you can completely prove things.
835
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.550
But like, I think you guys would pivot because you
836
00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:24.030
would pivot from, we think it's seven feet tall too.
837
00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:27.869
Okay. This is the information I got from aunt Jane
838
00:40:27.889 --> 00:40:30.150
that hit it. And let's, let's talk about that.
839
00:40:30.309 --> 00:40:33.090
We would find ways to pivot, but the people that
840
00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:36.039
made up the stories and the other things, they would
841
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.079
have the most trouble because it's hard to say, Oh, um,
842
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:43.000
I said it was a spiritual billion feeding and it
843
00:40:43.059 --> 00:40:46.750
came to me and brought me pies and, No, it didn't.
844
00:40:46.769 --> 00:40:50.409
It was only six feet tall. They don't get any
845
00:40:50.449 --> 00:40:53.170
higher than nine. We did a bone radius scan.
846
00:40:53.570 --> 00:40:57.050
Okay. You were lying. Okay. Where you guys are giving
847
00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:58.179
as much fakes.
848
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.599
You guys, sorry, you guys are giving more facts than
849
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.579
fakes with the information you're given as any scientist should.
850
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.840
Okay. And that's what I appreciate about what you guys do.
851
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.389
You know, You.
852
00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:14.969
Might believe in Dogman and Sean doesn't. I kind of
853
00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:19.769
believe in Chupacabra because it's neat. I believe in Nessie
854
00:41:19.829 --> 00:41:21.570
because I know a guy that knows a lot about
855
00:41:21.630 --> 00:41:24.250
Nessie and he's smart enough that I wouldn't lie. I
856
00:41:24.610 --> 00:41:27.269
don't think he'd lie to us about it. But I
857
00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:30.030
also know that there can't be one Nessie that's been
858
00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:33.400
seen for 400 years unless it knows something more than
859
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.260
we do and I want to start drinking that water.
860
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.940
And sharks can live a long time.
861
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.050
But there's people that have said Nessie's been around for blah, blah, blah,
862
00:41:43.070 --> 00:41:45.389
a thousand years. There's a point where if it's a
863
00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:49.510
flesh and blood animal, the blood's got to stop, you know.
864
00:41:50.469 --> 00:41:51.570
And then you get a floater.
865
00:41:52.369 --> 00:41:53.090
Floater Nessie.
866
00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:55.900
I will drink the water from Loch Ness. I'm here
867
00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:59.820
for this idea. I understand it's very miraculous, but you
868
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:00.260
know what?
869
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.559
You and I probably will sit there and we'll be
870
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.449
dysentery buddies, all right? All right. And on that note,
871
00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:08.789
we're going to take a quick break. We have a
872
00:42:08.809 --> 00:42:11.269
Bigfoot bullhorn here for tonight. We'll give everybody a chance.
873
00:42:11.329 --> 00:42:14.230
Smoke them if you got them. Do a little shake, shake, shake,
874
00:42:14.269 --> 00:42:16.369
and we'll be back right after this. Stay tuned, folks.
875
00:42:17.510 --> 00:42:21.550
News team, assemble!
876
00:42:26.059 --> 00:42:28.719
I was doing this sci-fi show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything,
877
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.280
and part of it was we would go look at
878
00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:33.800
* * * * that's not real. I went earnestly.
879
00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:36.349
When I went on the, as earnest as you can
880
00:42:36.369 --> 00:42:38.789
get while being high as and hanging out with Duncan Trussell.
881
00:42:39.170 --> 00:42:41.150
So it's like, we were.
882
00:42:43.090 --> 00:42:46.670
Fairly serious about the endeavor. But a couple days in.
883
00:42:46.710 --> 00:42:48.820
We were looking at each other like, I don't know
884
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.429
about this.
885
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:52.059
Here's what you don't.
886
00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:53.239
Find when you go looking for Bigfoot.
887
00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:54.599
Black people.
888
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.099
In fact, you are more likely to find Bigfoot than
889
00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:01.599
you are black folks.
890
00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:02.579
Out looking for Bigfoot.
891
00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:09.769
Ah, yes, we are such a non-racially motivated show. Well,
892
00:43:09.809 --> 00:43:13.050
happy time away from your employer. I hope this finds
893
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:18.820
everyone doing well. And out of Voluntown, Connecticut, a reported
894
00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:23.320
Bigfoot sighting in rural Connecticut is generating a buzz after
895
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:28.929
a national research organization deemed the eyewitness account credible, though
896
00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:35.389
many local residents remain unconvinced. The BFRO said, The sighting
897
00:43:35.469 --> 00:43:39.170
occurred during the early morning hours back on July 5th
898
00:43:39.230 --> 00:43:43.550
near Potthag State Forest, and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly,
899
00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:48.489
which happens to be Connecticut's largest state forest. According to
900
00:43:48.510 --> 00:43:53.610
the organization, the witness provided such a detailed description that
901
00:43:53.650 --> 00:43:58.090
the investigators gave the report their highest level of credibility.
902
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:07.300
Despite the assessment, neighbors interviewed by WTIC expressed skepticism. Anything
903
00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:11.460
is possible these days, but you know I have never
904
00:44:11.539 --> 00:44:16.880
seen a Bigfoot, resident Peter Guari said. Another nearby resident,
905
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.960
who was asked not to be identified, suggested shadows, fatigue,
906
00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:27.179
and darkness can play tricks on on a person's perception.
907
00:44:27.380 --> 00:44:29.409
The witness goes on to say, we live in a
908
00:44:29.469 --> 00:44:35.030
society with cameras and recording devices and sensors everywhere, to
909
00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:41.219
say that something is escaping everyone nationwide. Still, some longtime
910
00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:45.239
residents say the dense woods of Patchogue State Forest, which
911
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.539
spans more than 26,000 acres, would be a likely place,
912
00:44:51.099 --> 00:44:55.840
if any, if Bigfoot does exist. Every once in a while,
913
00:44:56.059 --> 00:44:59.420
it's really quiet and still, and you'll hear a branch
914
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.760
pop in the distance, resident Richard Fedor said. It makes
915
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.869
you wonder. According to the BFRO, there have been 22
916
00:45:08.869 --> 00:45:13.789
reported Bigfoot sightings in Connecticut, including 11 of them in
917
00:45:14.230 --> 00:45:19.699
Lynchfield County. When we come back, we're going to go
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from Indiana to Virginia at light speed.
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You're listening to the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on the
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a patented pole pierce technology where the CO2 canister is
923
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only punctured on the first trigger pull, meaning your launcher
924
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is always at the ready. It's capable of incapacitating an
925
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attacker for over 30 minutes and is accurate and effective
926
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at over 60 feet. It requires no permits, no background checks,
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and is interstate travel friendly. With Berna, you will be
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prepared to defend.
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That's Byrna, B-Y-R-N-A dot com.
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Up and coming, it's the Indiana Bigfoot Conference on September
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25th and 26th.
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It's located at the Seasons Lodge Event Center in Nashville, Indiana.
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Free public admission featuring guest speakers, a town hall, vendors,
934
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and a meat and Greek dinner and optional night research groups. Also,
935
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in Virginia, it's the Blue Ridge Bigfoot Festival on Saturday,
936
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September 26th at the Wintergreen Resort in the Blue Ridge Mountains.
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A free, family-friendly festival with local artisans, limited edition gear,
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and scenic chairlift rides. Thanks again for listening to this
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edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn, exclusively on Anomalous Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience.
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And as always, until we meet again, keep your toes
941
00:47:34.099 --> 00:47:34.659
in the mud.
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00:47:34.820 --> 00:47:37.119
Oh, there he goes.
943
00:47:43.570 --> 00:47:50.230
Thanks, Vance, for this week's far-right Bigfoot bullhorn. A little
944
00:47:50.269 --> 00:47:52.670
bit more than what we usually do here on Sasquatch Experience, folks,
945
00:47:52.690 --> 00:47:54.510
so thank you for staying with us over that. We
946
00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:58.449
never really introduced firearms before into the program, but I
947
00:47:58.489 --> 00:48:01.849
guess there's a first time for everything. Anyhow, so.
948
00:48:02.230 --> 00:48:03.230
I learned something.
949
00:48:03.429 --> 00:48:08.110
You did? Yeah. Well, at least somebody did. All right.
950
00:48:09.190 --> 00:48:10.190
The value of teaching.
951
00:48:10.650 --> 00:48:14.030
I know. How about it? Anyhow, folks... Aaron Deese tonight
952
00:48:14.050 --> 00:48:16.389
here with us from Small Town Monsters and author of
953
00:48:16.429 --> 00:48:21.550
Sasquatch Variable. Aaron, your book called Sasquatch Variable. What's the variable?
954
00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:24.570
Why is it important that you're trying to understand the phenomenon?
955
00:48:25.389 --> 00:48:27.139
I don't know what it is. That's the whole problem.
956
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.059
None of us do.
957
00:48:28.539 --> 00:48:30.360
If any of us did, I wouldn't have written the
958
00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:31.900
book and no one would be interested in what I
959
00:48:31.940 --> 00:48:36.920
have to say. But no, I reached a point. It's
960
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.320
difficult to explain what this book is about explaining why
961
00:48:39.340 --> 00:48:41.090
I wrote it. But I reached a point of like
962
00:48:41.150 --> 00:48:45.349
critical mass information. with bigfoot encounter stories and books and
963
00:48:45.449 --> 00:48:48.650
just bigfoot centric material where i was like i'm pretty
964
00:48:48.710 --> 00:48:51.420
sure this thing is real and nothing is going to
965
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.800
make me more interested in it until we figure out
966
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:56.460
why we can't find it and i was in that
967
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.460
space for like six months to a year where i
968
00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:02.340
was like still enjoying what i do every day and
969
00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:04.730
still enjoying the work with stm but kind of just
970
00:49:04.769 --> 00:49:08.550
like enjoying the filmmaking aspect more than the bigfoot aspect
971
00:49:08.670 --> 00:49:11.000
and i don't think that's a bad thing like Filmmaking
972
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.019
is something I've become really passionate about because I get
973
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.019
to do it now. It's wonderful. But I was also
974
00:49:16.059 --> 00:49:20.210
kind of like that same thing, like another report, another encounter, another... know.
975
00:49:20.230 --> 00:49:22.969
And I kind of just got to this place where
976
00:49:22.989 --> 00:49:26.260
I was like, well, why can't we find it? Why not?
977
00:49:26.539 --> 00:49:29.300
And I'm really bad at math. That's why I write books.
978
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.980
I'm terrible at math. But I started thinking about it. Well,
979
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.300
what if it was like a mathematical equation? You know,
980
00:49:34.420 --> 00:49:38.449
person plus Bigfoot equals encounter report. And I have to
981
00:49:38.510 --> 00:49:41.369
credit Cliff Barrett for even giving me that idea because
982
00:49:41.769 --> 00:49:43.489
there's a quote from him where you have to have
983
00:49:43.809 --> 00:49:46.150
a person in Bigfoot to have an encounter story or
984
00:49:46.190 --> 00:49:46.769
something like that.
985
00:49:46.789 --> 00:49:47.510
I'm paraphrasing.
986
00:49:47.550 --> 00:49:49.559
But, you know, this was all built on the backs
987
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.940
of people. And yeah, right. He's right. And I was like, OK,
988
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.550
so that's your baseline equation. That's that's our. one plus
989
00:49:58.590 --> 00:50:01.030
two equals three, but one plus two doesn't equal three
990
00:50:01.050 --> 00:50:03.829
because we still can't find Bigfoot. It equals like four
991
00:50:03.869 --> 00:50:06.699
or five. So what's the extra variable in there that
992
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.219
we can't find? Is it camouflage? Is it intelligent action?
993
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.539
Is it something spiritual or supernatural or interdimensional beyond our
994
00:50:14.579 --> 00:50:16.840
ability to quantify it? Is it because it's an alien?
995
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.489
I don't think that's what it is, you know? And
996
00:50:19.570 --> 00:50:21.469
I just started thinking about it like that. And then
997
00:50:21.730 --> 00:50:25.000
one day I was scrolling through this went on for
998
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:26.679
a couple weeks so one day i was scrolling through
999
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.340
the debrief website which is run by micah hanks his
1000
00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:33.619
team over there science technology uap news um and i
1001
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.760
of course did end up interviewing micah for the book
1002
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.440
but they had posted a story i can't remember who
1003
00:50:38.460 --> 00:50:40.760
the story's writer was but it was a story about
1004
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.570
this ai system quote ai an llm system that was
1005
00:50:44.610 --> 00:50:48.610
being developed in australia for use by law enforcement to
1006
00:50:48.650 --> 00:50:51.900
build like a database of knives and So if someone
1007
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.099
was attacked with a knife, they could analyze the wound
1008
00:50:55.300 --> 00:50:57.280
and say, hey, this same knife was used in three
1009
00:50:57.340 --> 00:51:00.289
other crimes. Stuff like that. And I thought, wow, that's
1010
00:51:00.449 --> 00:51:02.909
really cool. What if we could do something like that
1011
00:51:02.949 --> 00:51:06.010
with Bigfoot casts at some point in the future? So
1012
00:51:06.030 --> 00:51:08.269
I started asking people questions about it, and I learned
1013
00:51:08.309 --> 00:51:11.210
a lot about what we're referring to right now as
1014
00:51:11.329 --> 00:51:13.969
AI and its current limitations and why we can't do
1015
00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:17.760
that yet. But it couldn't just be that one thing.
1016
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.280
I had to go into the camouflage and the stealth and...
1017
00:51:20.929 --> 00:51:23.289
all that other stuff. And I spent more time reading
1018
00:51:23.349 --> 00:51:27.369
scientific journals on nature and animal behavior than I did
1019
00:51:27.789 --> 00:51:30.530
other Bigfoot books. Because I was like, if I just
1020
00:51:30.570 --> 00:51:33.380
read 20 more Bigfoot books and then regurgitate my opinions
1021
00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:36.420
based on that, that's not original. There's nothing new there.
1022
00:51:36.500 --> 00:51:40.380
People have done that. People have written better Bigfoot books.
1023
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.780
And I mentioned a few in Variable that I say, hey,
1024
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.739
if you have time, go read those now and come back.
1025
00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:50.719
Because better men have made better attempts. But At the
1026
00:51:50.739 --> 00:51:53.579
end of the day, I wanted to put my own
1027
00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:57.440
thought process regarding the Sasquatch phenomenon on paper, and it
1028
00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.719
ended up being enough for a book. And so when
1029
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:01.440
I realized I had enough for a book, I pitched
1030
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.139
it to Seth, and he was like, yeah, we can
1031
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.079
publish that. Now here we are.
1032
00:52:06.099 --> 00:52:10.440
Yeah, but you make some very good points.
1033
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.079
And the fact is that.
1034
00:52:13.380 --> 00:52:17.469
I've always tried to rotate to, why does it hide?
1035
00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:21.539
You know, because it's, and this is a conversation I've
1036
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.659
always had with people is, is I have two modes
1037
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.119
of thought on the Bigfoot. Exists and is really smart
1038
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.739
or doesn't exist. And we're just seeing what we want
1039
00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:34.400
to see and we're turning it into Bigfoot.
1040
00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:35.619
Okay.
1041
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:37.320
And I've always been on that camp and you can
1042
00:52:37.389 --> 00:52:40.110
ask anybody. I'm not, I'm not super skeptic. I'm not
1043
00:52:40.150 --> 00:52:43.369
super whatever, but if it exists, it has to have
1044
00:52:43.429 --> 00:52:45.309
some kind of base intelligents.
1045
00:52:45.929 --> 00:52:48.110
Because why would it hide? Why would something the.
1046
00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:51.489
Size of a bear that could steal your garbage and
1047
00:52:51.550 --> 00:52:55.809
go through your dumpster and live in Yellowstone? Honestly, if
1048
00:52:55.869 --> 00:53:00.530
Bigfoot lived in the mountains and we all knew about it,
1049
00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:03.610
after maybe 20 years, we wouldn't care.
1050
00:53:03.630 --> 00:53:05.849
As long as it wasn't trying to shack up with
1051
00:53:05.889 --> 00:53:11.469
their daughters and kill us. We'd be all like, sure, whatever. Like, hey,
1052
00:53:11.489 --> 00:53:13.739
this big ape lives in... I mean, I'm sure in.
1053
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.019
Brazil and all these countries that have large apes. I'm
1054
00:53:19.099 --> 00:53:22.179
sure there's a, well, I'll probably miss it. Probably some
1055
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:23.760
other country is going to be mad at me now.
1056
00:53:23.780 --> 00:53:26.010
Cause I missed it.
1057
00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:27.769
We don't have, we don't have the large, we don't
1058
00:53:27.809 --> 00:53:28.610
have the known.
1059
00:53:29.269 --> 00:53:30.710
You didn't mention Africa.
1060
00:53:30.730 --> 00:53:32.750
They have a, you didn't mention China.
1061
00:53:32.769 --> 00:53:35.650
They have a, you know that I missed it. I'm sorry. Okay.
1062
00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.670
I also didn't mention. We don't enjoy the daily adjacency.
1063
00:53:40.110 --> 00:53:44.789
But, but, but, basically they don't care they exist.
1064
00:53:44.369 --> 00:53:47.449
Anymore oh hey there's a monkey oh there's a silverback
1065
00:53:48.010 --> 00:53:50.409
hey don't get near that reese's monkey or get herpes
1066
00:53:50.590 --> 00:53:53.230
okay that's what it is down like down through the
1067
00:53:53.309 --> 00:53:55.989
louisiana swamps or like reese's monkey back up you know
1068
00:53:56.289 --> 00:54:00.159
whatever but like i think that's why i've always questioned
1069
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.679
is why does it hide because i think that if
1070
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.920
it didn't hide a lot of these cryptids didn't hide
1071
00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:09.980
the newness would wear off and we'd be like.
1072
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.139
Oh yeah it got out of my dumpster. The other,
1073
00:54:13.340 --> 00:54:15.440
all these people that say it shares sugar and steal
1074
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.400
stuff from them. They'd be like, yeah, damn, damn big
1075
00:54:18.460 --> 00:54:20.500
foot was in my yard again, scared my.
1076
00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:24.030
Dog, you know? So that was always my, that was
1077
00:54:24.070 --> 00:54:28.030
my always big crutches. Why? And if it is hiding,
1078
00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:30.550
then there has to be a brand grand intelligence to
1079
00:54:30.590 --> 00:54:33.150
tell it why to hide, you know?
1080
00:54:34.190 --> 00:54:34.369
Yeah.
1081
00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:35.070
I'm with you there.
1082
00:54:35.130 --> 00:54:37.300
And that was all the countries.
1083
00:54:39.090 --> 00:54:42.090
Again, I don't have bears in my backyard. I don't
1084
00:54:42.110 --> 00:54:44.210
know the bear rules.
1085
00:54:44.250 --> 00:54:46.909
But if you saw bears on a regular basis, like
1086
00:54:46.949 --> 00:54:49.320
if you came to Pennsylvania and you saw bears on
1087
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.460
a regular basis, you'd be like, brown bear. No, you
1088
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:56.280
know what? We had a bear on the bike path
1089
00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:58.579
today that put the town in an uproar.
1090
00:54:58.599 --> 00:54:59.760
And we have bears.
1091
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.510
But for some reason, that bear on the bike path
1092
00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:04.789
upset the citizens of Williamsport today.
1093
00:55:05.699 --> 00:55:08.400
That episode is the Simpsons where there's a bear in town.
1094
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:08.820
Yes.
1095
00:55:09.099 --> 00:55:13.699
The bear patrol. That was dream sport today though. Like
1096
00:55:13.780 --> 00:55:16.159
someone reports a bear on the bike path. There's a
1097
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.900
group that deals with it. There's plans to put it
1098
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:23.110
back in its bear area. You know, there, there would be, yes,
1099
00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:25.650
now and then, Oh, there's a Bigfoot near the quickie Mart.
1100
00:55:25.789 --> 00:55:26.190
Yeah.
1101
00:55:26.610 --> 00:55:30.070
Okay. You know, but in general, you wouldn't have the.
1102
00:55:29.829 --> 00:55:35.019
70 people going out during or having a, we don't have, um, Oh,
1103
00:55:35.059 --> 00:55:35.619
be bear.
1104
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:36.760
Okay.
1105
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:42.769
You know, we don't have the, uh, there's a moth,
1106
00:55:42.809 --> 00:55:45.329
there's mothman weekend, not brown bear weekend.
1107
00:55:45.349 --> 00:55:47.710
Right. You know, fair enough. Fair enough.
1108
00:55:48.010 --> 00:55:48.269
Fair.
1109
00:55:48.309 --> 00:55:49.679
Not folklorish enough for us.
1110
00:55:49.949 --> 00:55:50.130
Right.
1111
00:55:50.150 --> 00:55:53.329
Cause they're real. Bears are real. We see them. They interact.
1112
00:55:53.349 --> 00:55:54.170
You can see them.
1113
00:55:54.210 --> 00:55:54.570
You can.
1114
00:55:54.710 --> 00:55:58.219
Yeah. Right. They kill people. Maybe Bigfoot does too.
1115
00:55:58.300 --> 00:55:58.639
I don't know.
1116
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.159
No, it's going to be a lie to tell the story.
1117
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:01.019
That's the case.
1118
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:01.300
Right.
1119
00:56:01.579 --> 00:56:03.900
That's that one part of the variable that we're missing.
1120
00:56:06.099 --> 00:56:07.820
You asked what the variable is. I mean, that's the
1121
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:10.659
concept is that what is that missing piece? You know,
1122
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.139
what does is it because it kills people? I don't
1123
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.059
think that's what it is either. We wouldn't have any stories. So, right.
1124
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.960
But what, what's something you believe?
1125
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.480
What's something you believe about Sasquatch today that you would
1126
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.449
have dismissed 10 years ago?
1127
00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:29.090
No one's ever asked me that.
1128
00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:30.010
Ooh.
1129
00:56:30.050 --> 00:56:32.289
Well, 10 years ago, I wasn't doing this stuff every day.
1130
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:34.780
So I was much more in the camp of like,
1131
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.039
maybe there's a 30% chance that it's real, you know, um,
1132
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.599
as I've spent more time just talking to people. Cause
1133
00:56:42.619 --> 00:56:44.679
for every, you know, we talked earlier about the crazy
1134
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.869
eyewitness stories and stuff, but you know, for every one
1135
00:56:47.889 --> 00:56:51.210
of those, I can think of two people who seem
1136
00:56:51.230 --> 00:56:52.809
to be talking to me in good faith and who
1137
00:56:52.849 --> 00:56:57.969
were sincere, you know, um, after that for a few years, gosh,
1138
00:56:58.010 --> 00:56:59.500
I still don't know how to answer that question.
1139
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.019
Oh, oof.
1140
00:57:02.489 --> 00:57:05.909
I would just say the possibility that something could be
1141
00:57:05.949 --> 00:57:09.699
intelligent enough to evade human beings for this long. That
1142
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:11.400
was kind of the hang up for me. No animal
1143
00:57:11.420 --> 00:57:14.920
is that smart. No animal is that elusive. I no
1144
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:18.320
longer think that's the case. I no longer believe that.
1145
00:57:19.099 --> 00:57:21.099
But, you know, to that point, Aaron, it's not that
1146
00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:22.579
elusive because people do see it.
1147
00:57:23.510 --> 00:57:25.510
That's the other side of the coin. How elusive is
1148
00:57:25.550 --> 00:57:28.090
it really? When we talk about finding Bigfoot, what does
1149
00:57:28.130 --> 00:57:31.969
that actually mean? Does the government have to say it's
1150
00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:35.599
real before we accept it? Like we said about UFOs earlier, no,
1151
00:57:35.739 --> 00:57:39.119
that's not what that means. And for a lot of people,
1152
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:43.239
we've already found Bigfoot. That's the answer. The thing I
1153
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.639
would not have realized 10 years ago or said or whatever,
1154
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.070
there are a lot of people who know, not just
1155
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.610
are convinced, they know we've already found Bigfoot. And perception
1156
00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:57.849
is reality. So, again, it depends who you talk to.
1157
00:57:57.869 --> 00:58:01.969
But yeah, yeah. Also, and kind of that same point,
1158
00:58:02.010 --> 00:58:05.469
the idea of belief in Bigfoot is very subjective. If
1159
00:58:05.510 --> 00:58:07.940
you say like, oh, I believe in God or I don't,
1160
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.559
that's for a lot of people, that's a pretty binary thing.
1161
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.219
Not everyone. I'm not trying to downplay the diversity of
1162
00:58:15.260 --> 00:58:18.159
religious experience. I was raised in a religious environment. You
1163
00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:19.000
upset them.
1164
00:58:19.019 --> 00:58:20.019
I'll upset countries.
1165
00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:21.519
I'm sure I did, you know.
1166
00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:22.480
It's okay.
1167
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:23.820
We'll all survive, I hope.
1168
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:25.340
I'll run interference for all of us.
1169
00:58:27.179 --> 00:58:28.260
Nothing gets past Sean.
1170
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:31.110
There's going to be jihad.
1171
00:58:32.489 --> 00:58:35.969
When you're talking inside the Bigfoot community, you ask somebody,
1172
00:58:35.989 --> 00:58:38.789
do you believe in Bigfoot? Their yes can be very
1173
00:58:38.849 --> 00:58:42.110
different from someone else's yes. This person might believe in
1174
00:58:42.130 --> 00:58:44.369
Bigfoot in the sense that, yeah, I think it could
1175
00:58:44.389 --> 00:58:46.489
be a possibility where I was for a long time.
1176
00:58:46.989 --> 00:58:49.219
Or it might be someone who's had their own encounter
1177
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.170
who's seen the damn thing And belief is knowing. That's
1178
00:58:53.210 --> 00:58:57.500
a factual understanding of reality for that person. Those are
1179
00:58:57.539 --> 00:59:01.539
different things. And those are only two examples. So just that,
1180
00:59:01.579 --> 00:59:04.610
the diversity in thought is something that I wasn't prepared for,
1181
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.849
even writing this book, definitely not 10 years ago. Yeah,
1182
00:59:09.389 --> 00:59:10.199
I hope that answers. it.
1183
00:59:10.539 --> 00:59:10.760
It does.
1184
00:59:10.780 --> 00:59:15.039
It's a good answer. Yes. What piece of alleged Sasquatch
1185
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.960
evidence do you think researchers put too much faith in?
1186
00:59:18.500 --> 00:59:20.820
And what evidence do you think deserves more attention?
1187
00:59:23.170 --> 00:59:26.590
There are some noted audio examples out there that I think, well...
1188
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:29.940
this is not as hot of a take now, I guess,
1189
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.719
but I've always felt the PG film was overemphasized simply
1190
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.639
because if it was the Holy grail, the golden standard,
1191
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.840
and I said this in the book, we would have
1192
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.519
found the thing by now, if that was enough, because
1193
00:59:41.739 --> 00:59:44.000
we know where it was shot and we have all
1194
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.880
these frame by frame analyses of it. And, you know,
1195
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.119
my opinion on the Patterson game and film doesn't matter.
1196
00:59:50.219 --> 00:59:52.480
Everyone has their own opinion and everyone will continue to
1197
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.639
have their own opinion after capturing Bigfoot goes into wide release.
1198
00:59:55.659 --> 00:59:56.320
That's correct.
1199
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Oh, But I felt even before, and I said this before,
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before any of this news broke in the last year,
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that there was just too much emphasis placed on that.
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01:00:07.409 --> 01:00:09.469
Removing that from the equation, because that's kind of a
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01:00:09.489 --> 01:00:15.650
cop-out now. It's really easy to say, oh, I do
1204
01:00:15.670 --> 01:00:18.449
think there's some audio examples out there in the world that...
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01:00:18.969 --> 01:00:20.530
I can think of a couple in particular, but I'm
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01:00:20.550 --> 01:00:22.719
not trying to alienate anybody. But I just think that
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01:00:22.820 --> 01:00:27.420
a lot of people, including me, don't have the knowledge...
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01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.139
to analyze audio the way it needs to be analyzed.
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01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:34.349
And I say that after having conversations with people like
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01:00:34.429 --> 01:00:38.230
Alex Petikoff and Shane Corson and, you know, even just
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01:00:38.269 --> 01:00:41.309
reviewing the raw footage that Courtney and Heather filmed for
1212
01:00:41.349 --> 01:00:44.900
Investigation Bigfoot with Beth Duncan, hearing them talk about audio analysis.
1213
01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:47.900
You're like, man, no, I don't understand this at all.
1214
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.079
As much time as I've spent in the Bigfoot world,
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01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:53.800
I don't know nature sounds. Shay Steingass, you know, she's
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01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.530
a marine biologist, but she understands acoustics. very well as
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01:00:57.570 --> 01:01:01.110
they relate to animals, especially marine animals. And just realizing
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01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.519
how little of that I understand. I'm not the smartest
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01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.719
guy out there by any stretch nor measure, but I
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01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.139
know that a lot of us citizen scientists in the
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01:01:10.179 --> 01:01:15.079
Bigfoot world also don't have that knowledge.
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01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:16.860
I think Matt and I tried to prove that to
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01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:17.820
you when you were out in the field with us
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01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:18.389
last year.
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01:01:18.429 --> 01:01:21.389
Yes, you guys saw that in person. You were going
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01:01:21.409 --> 01:01:24.449
through audio and I'm like, oh, hey, look at this. Guys, oh,
1227
01:01:24.469 --> 01:01:27.869
we found it. And you're like, No, no, actually. So,
1228
01:01:28.050 --> 01:01:30.809
you know, and you guys have that experience to filter things.
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01:01:31.289 --> 01:01:33.610
But even we aren't experienced. That's, you know, to your point,
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01:01:33.630 --> 01:01:36.889
that's the thing. We're two guys guessing based on the
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01:01:36.909 --> 01:01:39.500
experiences we had that this is what it sounds like.
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01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.440
And just trying to use logical deduction, right, to go
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01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.599
through and decide, well, let's listen to this 16 or
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01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.920
17 or 24 more times before we're comfortable saying this
1235
01:01:48.980 --> 01:01:51.239
is what it is. And we're limited in those things.
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01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:55.210
We're trying to get there. about learning different sounds. And
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01:01:55.230 --> 01:01:58.900
then you talked about, you know, marine acoustics is another
1238
01:01:59.739 --> 01:02:02.239
thing all in, you know, in general, that's a whole
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01:02:02.300 --> 01:02:05.639
nother set of rules you play by. Things sound different underwater.
1240
01:02:05.659 --> 01:02:09.059
Completely different thing. And I should say like this, that
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01:02:09.099 --> 01:02:12.099
statement was not me throwing shade at any particular, like
1242
01:02:12.139 --> 01:02:14.869
the Sierra sounds are very famous. I find the Sierra
1243
01:02:14.909 --> 01:02:18.829
sounds captivating and fascinating. So I'm not saying anything about anybody,
1244
01:02:19.309 --> 01:02:22.760
but there is a tendency now, Bigfoot audio. And it's like,
1245
01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:24.519
even I know that's a dog, bro.
1246
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.639
Again, you know, it becomes that emotion. You know, we
1247
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.349
go back to the Patterson Gimlin film. A lot of
1248
01:02:30.389 --> 01:02:32.250
people cling on to the PG film because of the
1249
01:02:32.309 --> 01:02:35.809
emotional aspect of it. The Freeman footage doesn't get nearly
1250
01:02:35.869 --> 01:02:37.489
as much love as the Patterson.
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01:02:37.510 --> 01:02:38.110
That's my favorite.
1252
01:02:38.349 --> 01:02:41.250
Right, mine too. Oh, there he goes, right? And the same,
1253
01:02:41.610 --> 01:02:44.639
but again, you could put the same questions to the
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01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:49.420
Freeman footage as you can the Patterson film, right? You know, audio,
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01:02:49.460 --> 01:02:52.530
I think, is... definitely where it's at. I think we
1256
01:02:52.550 --> 01:02:54.869
could start getting some really, if we could start getting
1257
01:02:54.889 --> 01:02:58.010
things to sound the same and not be hoaxes, you know,
1258
01:02:58.030 --> 01:03:00.230
there's so much of this now that we see. And
1259
01:03:00.289 --> 01:03:02.829
even some of these reputable ones I was watching last night,
1260
01:03:02.849 --> 01:03:04.570
I'm like, I've heard this before. Why can't we ever
1261
01:03:04.610 --> 01:03:06.789
see in front of the camera? Why does this audio
1262
01:03:06.809 --> 01:03:08.670
always sounds like it comes from behind the camera?
1263
01:03:08.809 --> 01:03:09.150
Why not?
1264
01:03:10.610 --> 01:03:12.789
Uh, and Matt, you and I have had that conversations
1265
01:03:12.829 --> 01:03:15.909
in our long drives. Like I have problematic audio because
1266
01:03:15.949 --> 01:03:20.090
it can be hoaxed. So, so easily. However, Now we're
1267
01:03:20.130 --> 01:03:22.710
starting to see some things from smarter people than us
1268
01:03:23.409 --> 01:03:25.429
that could change that, which I'm not going to talk
1269
01:03:25.449 --> 01:03:26.809
about on the show because I don't want to start
1270
01:03:26.849 --> 01:03:29.469
finding new ways to hoax us.
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01:03:29.730 --> 01:03:33.320
Well, and you mentioned audio and you mentioned how, you know,
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01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.139
I've learned so much from just being out in the
1273
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.079
woods more, being out in the land more, where sounds
1274
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.059
come from, what kind of animals make certain sounds. I
1275
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.510
didn't know that stuff three years ago. And the more
1276
01:03:45.550 --> 01:03:48.789
you're out in the woods, the more you recognize, okay,
1277
01:03:49.219 --> 01:03:52.980
There's this weird chicken noise. It's a squirrel, dude. Or
1278
01:03:53.610 --> 01:03:58.030
the other day, it had just rained maybe a couple
1279
01:03:58.070 --> 01:04:00.469
hours ago, and you could just hear all the walnuts
1280
01:04:01.369 --> 01:04:03.570
hitting the ground. And, you know, if you don't know
1281
01:04:03.610 --> 01:04:07.119
what that is, it's pretty freaky because, you know, what
1282
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.460
I realized was is, you know, after it rains, the
1283
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.639
walnut husks soak water in, which makes them too heavy
1284
01:04:12.659 --> 01:04:15.820
for the branch, and they all start dropping, you know.
1285
01:04:17.369 --> 01:04:19.949
But I realized that from being out there. And that's
1286
01:04:19.989 --> 01:04:22.190
how the easiest way to solve any of that is
1287
01:04:22.570 --> 01:04:24.510
to learn, oh, you want to know the difference between
1288
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:28.480
is that a crow, is that a large whatever. And
1289
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.719
that's the other thing that I would say about Bigfoot
1290
01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:33.460
is if it lives in the woods, when you make noise,
1291
01:04:34.059 --> 01:04:36.000
it knows your noise isn't what it's supposed to be.
1292
01:04:36.019 --> 01:04:40.909
I mean, any animal you deal with, snakes, bears, whatever,
1293
01:04:40.969 --> 01:04:44.219
even deer, Deer know when I'm out there. Now, whether
1294
01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:46.460
they choose to let me know that they're out there
1295
01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:48.119
watching me is a complete other thing.
1296
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.300
But I use an animal I can, you know, see.
1297
01:04:51.739 --> 01:04:53.480
And I don't want to touch it, though, you know,
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01:04:53.500 --> 01:04:54.199
because they'll bite.
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01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.280
But the fact is, is like, like deer, you know,
1300
01:04:57.429 --> 01:04:59.989
think about whenever I think about people going out and
1301
01:05:00.030 --> 01:05:02.929
doing searches for different cryptids, I go, well, think of
1302
01:05:02.989 --> 01:05:04.610
it as a flesh and blood animal.
1303
01:05:04.710 --> 01:05:08.409
You know, how would it react in the same environment?
1304
01:05:09.130 --> 01:05:10.929
And that might help you, you know.
1305
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:12.119
I'm with you there.
1306
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:12.519
Yeah.
1307
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:16.179
I don't, I don't think we're going to catch Bigfoot.
1308
01:05:16.219 --> 01:05:17.550
I don't think we're going to sneak up on it
1309
01:05:17.610 --> 01:05:19.750
or trick it because if we do that, we would
1310
01:05:19.769 --> 01:05:22.309
have done it by now, you know? Um, but we
1311
01:05:22.349 --> 01:05:24.909
might make it curious. I think that's our best bet,
1312
01:05:25.449 --> 01:05:27.090
but that's just an opinion thing.
1313
01:05:27.769 --> 01:05:30.800
Last question I got for you tonight, Aaron, before we
1314
01:05:30.820 --> 01:05:32.739
wrap this up is forget what you can prove for
1315
01:05:32.780 --> 01:05:36.559
a moment. What's the strangest idea about Sasquatch that you're
1316
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.139
not prepared to believe, but you're also not prepared to
1317
01:05:39.179 --> 01:05:40.019
completely dismiss.
1318
01:05:40.619 --> 01:05:41.969
Ooh, good one, man.
1319
01:05:42.110 --> 01:05:45.150
I should have known. See, I did my like walking
1320
01:05:45.190 --> 01:05:47.889
around talking to myself rehearsal earlier, but they were all
1321
01:05:47.909 --> 01:05:50.829
the standard questions. And Sean always brings the deep cuts.
1322
01:05:51.090 --> 01:05:52.570
I'm trying to get better at what I do. You know,
1323
01:05:52.690 --> 01:05:54.610
I love it. Accusing me of being lazy lately. So
1324
01:05:54.630 --> 01:05:56.889
I'm trying to shake that up. I love it. I
1325
01:05:56.929 --> 01:05:57.230
love it.
1326
01:05:57.590 --> 01:06:01.659
Um, can you ask me the question one more time?
1327
01:06:01.699 --> 01:06:01.920
Sorry.
1328
01:06:01.940 --> 01:06:02.460
I want to make sure.
1329
01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:06.960
Get what you can prove. Right. Forget proof being a consideration.
1330
01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:10.969
What's the strangest idea about Sasquatch that you're not prepared
1331
01:06:10.989 --> 01:06:14.409
to believe, but you're also not prepared to completely dismiss?
1332
01:06:15.329 --> 01:06:20.659
The idea of it having language, because language requires vocal learning,
1333
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:24.079
and vocal learning is generally not found in primates. It's
1334
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.659
not found in many animals. This is another thing I
1335
01:06:26.699 --> 01:06:29.960
researched for the book. But time and time and time again,
1336
01:06:30.340 --> 01:06:32.659
you hear these reports from people who say it sounded
1337
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:37.039
like a language. We hear audio that Sounds pretty dang weird.
1338
01:06:37.099 --> 01:06:38.920
I get to listen to a lot of audio in
1339
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:41.679
what I do at STM and there's some pretty dang
1340
01:06:41.699 --> 01:06:43.449
weird stuff, man. A lot of it's shown up in
1341
01:06:43.489 --> 01:06:46.469
a lot of our episodes. So that's something I struggle
1342
01:06:46.489 --> 01:06:49.070
with because if we're dealing with a primate, a known animal,
1343
01:06:49.449 --> 01:06:52.329
it doesn't mean it can't possess a capacity for vocal learning,
1344
01:06:52.630 --> 01:06:54.769
but we usually only see that in like certain species
1345
01:06:54.809 --> 01:06:58.429
of birds. And I forgot the other species that I
1346
01:06:58.469 --> 01:07:01.630
researched for variable, but that that's something where I get
1347
01:07:01.690 --> 01:07:04.280
stuck is what is that? What is that?
1348
01:07:04.539 --> 01:07:08.090
So, um, It's a great answer to that question. A
1349
01:07:08.630 --> 01:07:10.650
different answer than I expected, so that's wonderful.
1350
01:07:11.150 --> 01:07:11.510
Thank you.
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01:07:12.409 --> 01:07:14.789
I have a vocal learning question. Now, you mean vocal
1352
01:07:14.849 --> 01:07:18.239
learning as in it has trouble communicating with words or
1353
01:07:18.260 --> 01:07:21.400
it has trouble understanding words. Like, my dog barks, but
1354
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:22.619
he understands go out.
1355
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:23.820
Yeah.
1356
01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:26.940
So, as I understand it, not being a zoologist or
1357
01:07:26.980 --> 01:07:30.119
a veterinarian or anything like that, some animals possess the
1358
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:35.130
capacity to listen to word sounds and repeat them precisely. Mimicry.
1359
01:07:35.670 --> 01:07:35.949
Right.
1360
01:07:36.269 --> 01:07:38.630
Well, mimicry, but also you have to be able to
1361
01:07:38.670 --> 01:07:40.590
think of it in the abstract. You can't just mimic
1362
01:07:40.610 --> 01:07:42.809
those sounds. You have to know what they mean. You know,
1363
01:07:42.829 --> 01:07:45.900
there are species of crow that can mimic sounds, but
1364
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.280
they don't know what those sounds mean necessarily, unless it's
1365
01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:52.599
like a Pavlovian thing through association. So, you know, like
1366
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.880
I can have a parrot that every day hears me
1367
01:07:54.940 --> 01:07:56.530
say the humidity is 80 percent.
1368
01:07:57.289 --> 01:07:57.550
Fine.
1369
01:07:57.590 --> 01:08:00.010
It starts saying the humidity is 80%. That crow has
1370
01:08:00.050 --> 01:08:03.329
no concept of humidity or percentages. Like a parrot.
1371
01:08:03.530 --> 01:08:04.230
A parrot.
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01:08:04.250 --> 01:08:05.989
I think I switched from crow to parrot. I don't
1373
01:08:06.010 --> 01:08:08.090
know why I did that. But for Bigfoot to have
1374
01:08:08.139 --> 01:08:11.480
a language, that means it's communicating concepts and motivations and
1375
01:08:11.539 --> 01:08:14.940
ideas and wants. That requires an understanding of what those
1376
01:08:15.019 --> 01:08:20.000
sounds mean. And yes, animals communicate with different sounds and
1377
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.939
different tones and things like that. But that's different from
1378
01:08:22.970 --> 01:08:27.079
the way human beings learn languages. Because human beings can
1379
01:08:27.140 --> 01:08:30.359
learn different languages. Our brains are hardwired to be able
1380
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:36.149
to do that. Animals function differently. It's my understanding there
1381
01:08:36.170 --> 01:08:38.409
are probably people listening to this somewhere who know more
1382
01:08:38.449 --> 01:08:41.590
about animals who are like, well, actually this. And I'm
1383
01:08:41.630 --> 01:08:44.289
speaking in very general terms based on the research I did.
1384
01:08:44.329 --> 01:08:45.989
I do cite all my sources in the book.
1385
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.539
This is great book, folks. And it's available for purchase now.
1386
01:08:50.140 --> 01:08:52.039
It's available for purchase now. Aaron, tell them where they
1387
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:52.560
can buy your book.
1388
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.470
Thank you. Absolutely. It is available at smalltownmonsters.com slash shop.
1389
01:08:57.569 --> 01:09:01.180
Top choice because you get it straight from the publisher. i.e. us,
1390
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:06.539
Small Town Monsters. But it is also available at Amazon, Walmart,
1391
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.119
Half Price Books, Barnes & Noble, and Books A Million online.
1392
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:12.619
I'm not aware of any physical locations where it's shown
1393
01:09:12.689 --> 01:09:16.090
up yet because that's at the discretion of regional merchandising managers,
1394
01:09:16.170 --> 01:09:19.140
but You can get it from all those places, if
1395
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.159
that's easy or preferable.
1396
01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:23.180
And it's definitely one you're going to want to have
1397
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:25.960
for your collection. Aaron, where can folks find out more
1398
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.000
about you? Yeah, sure.
1399
01:09:28.460 --> 01:09:31.579
Most of what I do these days publicly is over
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01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:36.250
at Small Town Monsters. Our highest venue of output is
1401
01:09:36.310 --> 01:09:39.350
over on YouTube. We have usually two, sometimes one release
1402
01:09:39.409 --> 01:09:43.310
per week over there. We are available on, like, Tubi
1403
01:09:43.329 --> 01:09:46.109
and Amazon and Pluto and a few other streaming platforms.
1404
01:09:46.170 --> 01:09:48.710
If you search Bigfoot on a lot of, like, just
1405
01:09:48.750 --> 01:09:50.979
smart TVs now, our stuff tends to be popping up
1406
01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:53.079
at the top. That's kind of exciting.
1407
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:53.840
Yeah.
1408
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.039
I do have an Instagram called HeyStrangeness that I update very,
1409
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.279
very rarely. And I have an Instagram where I post
1410
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:05.100
screenshots from video games that has 20 followers. Wow. I
1411
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:08.289
do do that. If you build it.
1412
01:10:08.430 --> 01:10:10.130
If you build it. They won't.
1413
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:13.020
If someone's really bored, they can look me up and
1414
01:10:13.050 --> 01:10:13.710
I'll send them the link.
1415
01:10:13.750 --> 01:10:14.090
But yeah.
1416
01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:16.909
You're only going to get two more followers and you're
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01:10:16.989 --> 01:10:17.810
up 10%.
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01:10:17.810 --> 01:10:20.229
I'd be really excited about that. Yeah. Yeah.
1419
01:10:20.789 --> 01:10:22.989
Now he's throwing out math tonight, folks. Baker's on point.
1420
01:10:24.609 --> 01:10:25.399
Told you I'm bad at math.
1421
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:27.960
Folks, thanks for.
1422
01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:30.000
I just want to say thank you to the chat
1423
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:31.899
real quick. I don't have the ability to respond to
1424
01:10:31.939 --> 01:10:33.159
the chat here, but I see a bunch of people
1425
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:34.579
I like. So just thank you guys. It was good
1426
01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:34.920
to see you.
1427
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:38.189
Thank you. Great listeners tonight. Scott Dieterle says he's one
1428
01:10:38.210 --> 01:10:39.109
of your 20.
1429
01:10:39.109 --> 01:10:41.270
Scott's my boy. Scott's my boy right there.
1430
01:10:41.289 --> 01:10:43.989
Scott's a good dude. We love Scott. Aaron, thanks so
1431
01:10:44.029 --> 01:10:45.909
much for spending some time with us, man. We appreciate
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01:10:45.930 --> 01:10:49.850
it tonight. Went a little over time, so we apologize. Folks,
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I'm Sean, the Fork Shop Fork. You can find me
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everywhere on social media, at Sean Fork, or I don't
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hide behind a pseudonym. I am my name. I am everywhere.
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That's James Baker. You would wish you hid behind a pseudonym,
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but you can find him wherever you find me. Matt,
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where can folks find you?
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They can find me on Facebook. Matt and Mickey Arner,
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also the Allegheny Plateau Project on Facebook and YouTube.
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Support great research going on by Matt and I right now.
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And folks, we do have a Patreon, which you can
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support for as little as $ 2 a month, which that
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money just keeps the lights on and keeps things going
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for us. We appreciate you all. Thanks for listening tonight.
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We'll see you in two weeks. And until then, keep
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on squashing. You've been listening to the Sasquatch Experience. Please
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rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. For more information,
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please go to our website, SasquatchExperience.com. Keep on squatchin'.
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Thank you.