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I know what you must be thinking. Wow, another episode of the midcast
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so soon after the last one,
and you're excited because you took that long
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hiatus and now it seems like a
lot of midcasts are coming out all at
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once. Well, you're wrong.
That's not what this is. Damn it.
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I'm sorry. Um, I wanted
to put this out as a special
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bonus on the podcast feed because,
Um, it's something that I'm really proud
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of and want to talk about.
Um, in case you weren't aware,
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you might be, but you might
also not know, I wrote a book.
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Uh. It is called unyielding and
it's coming out September and you can
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go to link tree slash Sam,
versus Sam to pre order it. That's,
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uh, link T R dot e
e slash S A M v R
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S U s s a m.
Yes, the versus is spelled out,
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Um, and, like I said, it has links to pre order on
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Amazon and Barnes and noble there in
case you want to read it. It
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is an urban fantasy thriller, Um, that I'm very proud of and excited
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of, and it's the first book
in a trilogy. Um. So that's
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that. But back in Zach and
I before I even announced what the book
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was called or or what was what
was really going on, Zach and I
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did a video where we talked about
our writing process. Um. And now
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that the book, My book,
is coming out and Zach has published two
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books and has more coming, we
wanted to do a follow up to that
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first writing episode, Um, to
talk about how our processes have evolved and
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how we've been how we're feeling now
that we published books and we are publishing
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books and so on and so forth. Um. And I thought it was
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a really cool episode. Um.
You don't need to have watched the first
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version, even though I think it
is a good episode. Um. And
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if you listen to this and you
like it, talk to me and I'll
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go back and I'll turn the old
episode, the first episode, into a
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special podcast feed bonus for y'all.
Um. But just know that you'll get
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enjoyment out of this episode even if
you haven't seen the first one. Um.
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It's not necessary continuity, you know. Um. But, like I
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said, go to link tree,
slash stampers and Sam to pre order the
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book, Um, and I would
really appreciate that and I hope that you
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enjoy this here bonus feed podcast episode. Again, there's some mentions to visual
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concepts that you will not understand unless
you watch the feed on Youtube. So,
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if you have time and you want
to know what the hell we're talking
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about, go on Youtube and check
it out. If you can, that
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would also be very cool and,
as always, I would like to remind
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you have a great life. Thank
you very much. I was not recording.
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It's a good thing that I figured
that out before. Oh, you
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didn't capture any of that, not
a single bit of it, man,
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we just lost a lot of good
pre role. We sure did. You
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can have nothing fucking Nice. Yeah, I'm just gonna scream into my book.
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Hello, friends, thank you for
joining me today, and I'm glad
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you did, because I've got something
pretty great for you, and that is
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a return to something that a little
discussion series. Now, Um, we
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did the first one last year and
that was that was because it released on
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my birthday. Oh Fuck, so
it's been. It's it's been a minutely
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to the first one. As you
can see, him here is Zack Um,
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and the topic of discussion is writing. Oh yes, specifically books,
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books, books, books, books, books, books, books, books,
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books, books. I want the
books, all the books, books
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for you, books for them.
I only have the one, but I
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got a stack out of the same
one. Fine, it doesn't matter,
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because you actually I want to start
this off with a great quote that at
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the Gal I'm talking to currently,
who is also an author. She sent
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me this today, monthly reminder.
Many people have a book in them,
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but it takes a special kind of
freak to leave the land of laziness across
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the planes of Prascination in security mountain
find the blade of no one made you
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do this and used to cut your
chest open and Yank that book out.
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And she was like this, this
is amazing, like, this is so
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true, and I was like yeah, like, that's awesome, group that.
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Yeah, there's a there's yeah,
there's a lot to that, because
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it's it's so, it's it's funny
right, because I, Um, I've
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talked I talked about this Um in
the last one and I've talked about this
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with you before, with other people
before. But I I have always considered
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myself an idea person. Um,
I have a lot of ideas that potentially
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could pan into something, but for
the longest time, Um, I never,
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I was never able to follow through
with any of the ideas that I
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had before. So, Um,
I always it always felt like, oh,
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I can't do this for a long
time, Um, and I have
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a lot of the reason why I
was able to finish and yielding was because,
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Um, I finally found like a
rhythm in a system that worked for
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me, and part of that Um, part of that system was having an
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accountability body, which I don't.
I kind of talked to you about,
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Um, about the reasoning behind me
wanting you to read the book as I
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was going because so so, for
full disclosure, one of the reasons why,
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Um, I was able to kind
of get a yielding through the finish
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line and one of the reasons why
it kind of came together so quickly at
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the at the end was because,
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chapters like little blocks, the chapters
as I wrote them, um to like
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read and give me feedback and stuff
like that. And I think that's a
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that's a great system for me because
of the way that my brain operates,
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because I like, I um,
if I'm doing it for me, that's
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kind of that's a that's a that's
a fine motivator, but I often find
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that if I'm doing something just for
myself. Um, I'm not gonna,
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like, I don't have as much
incentive to follow up, but if I
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give it to somebody else and they
have become invested in the thing now,
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I feel responsible to then provided them
with resolution because they are invested. And
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so it was this like weird tricks
that I played in my brain and I
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was like, well, ship Zach
Za, Zach cares about this, so
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I have to do it, otherwise
I'm gonna let Zack down. So I
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gotta write it like it's this whole
it was this whole mental game I played
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with myself. So, well,
listen, that's it. That's it.
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Hey, it's a brilliant system,
especially because it was able to get you
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to you know, to get you
into a rhythm. That because you wrote
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that book fucking Quick Dude. Um, you wrote on yielding in like lightning
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speed compared to how long it took
me to get deception out. Um,
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because, look, it took about
it took about two it took a little
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bit more than two years for me
to finish on yielding. But and that's
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also from and you had a whole
struct you know, it to restructure the
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whole format at one point because for
those who don't know which, if you
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haven't watched in the first writing episode, you actually absolutely should, if anything,
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just to also I think it'd be
fun to watch these side by side
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or what, after how much we
have our last two years philosophies. But
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in yielding was originally going to be
an audio drama that slash podcast Sam was
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gonna release. Um. But it
was really funny because once you sort of
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started giving me those, because he
would give me ten chapters at a time
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and you know, I blow through
them in like a day because I'd read
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him at work when I had nothing
to do, and so then I'd be
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sitting there, like you'll get any
more than one yield chapters and I had
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to wait like a well, because
it um, that's that's true. Because,
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yeah, it was an audio drama. So like if you read,
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like if you get the book and
you read the first three chapters, Um,
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well, I guess I don't know
how it was like a good solid
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chunk. I think like the first
like fifteen chapters were written and like done,
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but like in a different form,
because they were structured as needing to
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be these Um, like thirty minute
plus like reads, because they were into
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then evolve into an audio drama and
there was gonna they were gonna be going
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to be read that way. And, Um so not only did I after
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through the process, I took fifteen
chapters which which which, by the way,
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aren't like short chapters by themselves,
took took like four, like thirty
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to forty five minute long experiences cut, had to find paces where they would
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cut naturally and then took them from
like a like a screenplay or like a
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script format to that a traditional novel
format, and then had to then throw
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them back into the blender, go
back, read through and to make sure
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they made sense and add all of
the details of like because, like obviously,
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in a in a script, you
can you you can just like you
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can describe a scene in a certain
way, because almost any way you want,
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because the listener or the person consuming
the media on the end is not
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going to see a description. It's
stage direction, and so you can write
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that anyway that makes sense. But
then when you have to flip into a
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novel, the description has to be
very specific, it has to be for
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an audience that is then consuming it. And so it was like I had
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to flip my brain completely and then
Um, when I was done, like
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writing the book, when I went
back to do my line at it,
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I also did like some I did
like a ton of rewrites on like the
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first fifteen chapters, because I needed
to, because they didn't the VIBE was
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different. I had all I like, even in that short amount of time,
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like my writing style had changed and
evolved, and so I needed to
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go back and put my new style
onto the old stuff because it was like
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it was, because it was already
at a disadvantage and there was something that
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you had. You would call it
yourself out on. When I was sort
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of giving you my notes near the
end, and I think I think it
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might have been after I finished the
book two and you would started doing your
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line and to that point, Um, because I remember specifically going, yeah,
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I've got to go back and rework
at the beginning, because actually I
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remember exactly what it was. It
was when I was walking to the supermarket.
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We were talking on the phone.
Um, that's right, yeah,
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and uh, and you were saying
that and I was like yeah, and
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I said it's not something really to
worry about, because a lot of writers
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ship has happened to me. You
know, you sort of as you finally
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get in your groove and develop your
voice and all that. You know,
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your story will almost evolve naturally with
you, especially for your first project or
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whatever. Like I I think that
there are certain things that change as the
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modern mercenary series goes on. You
know where I've sort of changed and developed
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things and and like this really works
to me and this doesn't work for me,
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and people enjoy this, people don't
really enjoy that, and so I'll
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tailor that a little bit as well. And I think that's the kind of
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the advantage of the fact is you
have, you have now multiple books out
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and in the time that because I've
seen your fucking web of web of branching
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paths and ship that you that you
are doing for your books. So,
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Um, you you put out in
the time because was deception. No,
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deception was was not out when we
had the last closet. So in the
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time between when we UM, when
we last had a video like this,
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deception came out, which was the
first book in the modern mercenary Thrillers Trilogy,
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and then wet work also came out, which is the sequel. Um,
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and then you also finished, Um, you finished all in, which
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is the third book in the trilogy. You wrote Casadors, which is the
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first book in the shared world,
the bottom or scary shared world, and
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then you finished occupants, which is
your sci fi horror novel. So you've
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done a lot of writing, if
to put it as an understatement, and
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you're I'm certain you're onto your next
thing already, whatever you're writing next,
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which is actually the it's the it's
a sequel, but not a direct sequel
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to occupant. It's just in the
same universe. Yes, UM, which
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I've read a little snippet of that, haven't I did you send me?
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You sent me something. I either
sent you a snippet of that or the
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cyberpunk book. Um, you sent
me, you did. I think you
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sent me both, because I remember
reading. I remember reading like a sci
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Fi thing that was not occupant,
and they were going to like like yes,
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yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, and I and
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I also wrote the aliens book,
that's right, which I'm still going to
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hear back from Titan on. Yeah, so you've been doing a lot of
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writing and like you like how because
because I think, like with me,
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I had I finished, I finished
this one and I'm I'm I've now moved
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on to writing the sequel, Um, which I'll just do a little bit
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of a. Let's do a little
bit of a there you go, and
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it's it's it's I'm only two chapters
in, but it's very good so far.
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I'm quite enjoying it, um so, and I'm certainly as I write
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rebellion. Um It will. My
style will evolve, like you know,
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as it as as it does,
with you having finished two that are now
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out into the world and then having
the benefit of the feedback that you've gotten
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from those and then going into finishing
these three that you know. You know
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that. You just show that I
have also have sitting here, Um uh,
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and then into writing other stuff.
How has your process kind of evolved,
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because I I through the process of
writing and yielding, I've developed my
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process and come to a come to
a a place of, you know,
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comfort with how I do things.
How? How compared to how you started?
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I mean I even started, but
compared to how you finished deception to
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now, how has that evolved?
Um So, the core of it,
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with like the descriptions and all that, is basically the same word. As
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I'm writing, I'm playing the movie
in my head and that's what I'm pulling,
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you know, I'm pulling snippets from
that you projection in my head to
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put on the page. But as
for like the actual writing itself, Um,
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I've I've found myself sort of trying
to give give more description without as
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much flowery language Um, which I
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itself well in the and the sort
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stories are set in Um. But
the biggest thing, honestly, that's that's
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change. Is just I'm no longer
younger, I'm no longer trying to find
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a voice by emulating different people who
whom I enjoy or have enjoyed their work
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in the past. Um Guys like
you know, obviously Tom Clancy's the big
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one, which actually lessio paid me
a pretty good, pretty good compliment with
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that when he read he actually just
finished reading occupant. Um. Yeah,
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and so I'll say if he all
of the positive like affirmations to gave you
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by occupant, I will confirm because
I was talking too, because he got
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his copy of unyielding. He said, okay, I'll read that once I'm
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finished with occupant, and I was
like, because I haven't had a chance
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to read document. I want to. I want to actually I want to
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sit down and read deception or not
wet work before I jump into occupant.
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how is that? And he goes it's
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pretty good. Yeah, it was. It was nice to know that my
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first foray into uh, science fiction
and horror was it a complete crash and
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burn. But Um, where was
I going with that? Oh, yeah,
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so, so, when I first
got into when I finally got into
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the final rewrites for deception, it
was right around late Um, actually,
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I rewrote it completely in twenty after
I heard the original audible snippet. I
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was like that I need to do
line edits and actually clean some of this
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up. But I found myself emulating
certain authors who have also do military thrillers,
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whom, some of them, are
still very good. Others, I
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think, have fallen, fallen off, falling from grace and are more worried
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about writing things that will just get
them brand deals and things like that.
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names, I don't want to cast any
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shade, Um, but as I've
as I've gotten older over these last two
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years and mature, it is both
that a reader and a writer. Um,
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I've gotten away from being like,
well, these guys do it this
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way and they're real successful, so
let me do it like that. Two
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okay. That's the foundation on which
it was built, and now, much
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like anything else in life, I'm
going to cut away the things I don't
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like, for I don't think work
for me. You're going to add my
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own flare to it, throw it
all together and blasted out there. You
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know what? If if they like
you, great, not, well,
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I like it and I'm still in
the minority of people who have actually wanted
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to write the book. So screw
that. That's true. Yeah, that's
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very true. It takes a lot. It's a lot to kind of put
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yourself I remember. I remember the
moment Um, and I don't want to
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quite leave the topic of m of
like process just yet, but like,
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I still remember the moment when I, like, I like, posted that
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first social media post about the fact
that it exists, like the number of
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people. I did not tell a
lot of people that I was writing a
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book, like at all. There's
a there's a solid chunk of people like
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you and Cole Alessio Um Um,
and just like there's a there's a handful
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of people that did know but,
like a lot of people, didn't like
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close people did. My parents didn't
know writing. Like it was like a
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lot of a lot. Like it
was. It was pretty nervous. Had
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it all. Had All timmy right
there. React when Oh st tim he
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was like it's like, when did
you write a book? A little bit
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ago, I got one for you. Have you already said it to him?
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Are you gonna give you to him
to go? When I'M gonna give
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him? Give it to him directly
when I get one of these. One
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of these guys here is uh is, one of the someone that stacks Um
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I've got. I've got one person
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it to and then three people that
I'm giving it to when I go back
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to Ohio. That yeah, I
feel bad that I don't have yours like
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cute up ready to go. It's
currently in my really I bought. I
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bought a special tope that like Kid's, you know, sealed and all that,
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and I wrapped all the books I
through silica pack gets in there,
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so they're good to go. You
know, they'll they'll be safe all I'm
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gone. Yeah, Um. The
other thing about my process and how it
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evolved was, um, on top
of the whole, like I need somebody
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who's account who who can keep me
accountable, even internally, because I knew,
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because I knew, like I wasn't
gonna like rely on you to be
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like hey, you gotta hustle and
do this, that that would not be
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fair. I needed to come up
with like a pacing and like a discipline,
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otherwise it wouldn't pull together the way
that I wanted. But, um,
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one of the things that I changed
with it myself was the the not
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making myself feel guilty for taking breaks. Um, because I would take,
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like sometimes I would take like a
three week break between like I'm in one
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of those breaks short now for my
current project, and I think that's super
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important. Um, but pleasetend.
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is, I think because, like
with anything, like you can burn out,
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even if you love what you're doing. Like that's why I'm not like
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I I think that you should enjoy, like what you do for a living,
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but, like, I don't know, maybe you should have something else
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as well so that you don't get
completely burned out because, like they say,
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like do the thing you love and
you'll never work a day in your
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life. But that's fucking bullshit.
Oh Yeah, Oh my God, that's
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why you like. You know,
I always get the question all the time
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once people find out that I'm an
author and all that. So like,
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Oh, like, are you trying
to do that full time? I'm like,
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fucking no. You're like why not? I'm like, because I would
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hate it if, like, if, if this is all, if this
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is what I had to do to
put food on my table and forgetting money
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in my bank account, I would
hate it because I'd be stressed, you
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know, it wouldn't be fun for
me anymore. I wouldn't be I wouldn't
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be writing things that I enjoy and
think that other people enjoy. I would
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basically I would end up writing fucking
romance novels because I know they would sell.
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I know they would sell like hotcakes, you know, because they're in
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demand, and it wouldn't be something
I'd be able to put my passion into
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other than the one I have planned, which is a romance comedy, which
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is just gonna be a hallmark movie
dial up to eleven, and it's a
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Christmas one too. I want you
to guess the title, because you named
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it already. You gave me the
name for it when around Christmas time.
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What did that? Was it during
the midcast with Alesia? Oh, man,
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I don't remember, I don't remember. It's the title of the PODCAST.
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Oh, Hashtag Mary the moment.
That's phenomenal. Oh my God,
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that's amazing, because I said I
was like what am I gonna call this
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fucking thing? And I because I
described the scene and that that's going to
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be in the book where the Guy
Shows up and he's carrying Christmas tree over
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one was landeling soup to the orphans
with the other, and I was like,
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I'll just call it fucking Hashtag May. At the moment gotta be great,
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beautiful. I love that. Well, the whole philosophy too, goes
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back, though, to like you. Even you even mentioned it about how,
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like, a lot of the like, a lot of the authors that
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you, like, used to model
yourself off of, have kind of changed
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to this like we have to get
the brand deal, we have to do
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the everything, and it becomes one
of those things where it's like, if
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you're so concerned. That's the other
reason why, like, I like a
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lot of the youtube channels that Um, that I like, Um have changed
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a lot. Some of the ones
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together, which again I won't I
won't name names there, but like a
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lot of them have changed to that
kind of like they're chasing, they're chasing
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the right, right, right,
and I do too to an extent,
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but it's just like, like I
don't let like, I don't let the
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Algorithm Stop You. Same fucking the
first minute of my baby, like things
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like that's the biggest thing is you. You haven't let it jeopardize your creatively
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take right, because I still do. I still do what I want,
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and so it's the same thing with
with writing, because, like, if
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you, if you, because that's
the thing I would I would hate to
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like, I would hate to be
a full time youtuber. That sounds miserable,
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you know, especially when you like
hear like you know, like when
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we joked about, like oh,
how cool would be to have like the
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three of us in like a content
house, and then you watch like things
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about content house, you're like what
a fucking nightmare that would be. We
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would fucking murder each other, almost
guaranteed, literally, you mean cold would
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murder each other and we'd have the
instruments to do so in the house.
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I'd grab my Tom Hog what have
packed up already? So yeah, so
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it's just like I people have asked
me, Um, like which one?
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Because because I because it's on Amazon
for Pretor v Kindle, which is very
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weird that Amazon doesn't let you make
physical copies. I don't know why.
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I'm hoping they're gonna adjust that soon
because it's really annoying, although it is
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kind of Nice then once you look
in your analytics and there's a big fucking
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spike in sales from data releases,
that is pretty nice. I it was.
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So I had a panic moment.
Thankfully, my cover wasn't formatic properly.
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I pressed the publish but yeah,
I know you gotta, you gotta
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do save. I didn't, I
wasn't. It was like late and I
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wasn't thinking about I was like Oh, funk, oh, it's interview with
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interview, but it's like I gotta
be like, unless anyone's looking at it,
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you can just retract it, right, which was fine, but like
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I had like formatting issues with my
cover and I had to go back and
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change anyway. So I was like, we can't publish your book because of
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this, and I was like thank
I hate that. Oh there's, there's
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it doesn't tell you either. It's
Oh, there's just an object that's within
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point zero four millimeters of the it's
like, fucking come on, man,
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work with me this. Give me
something. The UH does it all says
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Amazon. Does KTP also like take
forever for you to bring up the previews?
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had ones where they're like in two
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minutes it loads up and I had
one when I was formatting occupant for this
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size. Uh, I think it's
four point to five by six point seven
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or whatever. So it's not a
standard standard size. Literally, it took
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like two hours before find to like
restarted multiple times. It just Um.
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But yeah, so it's on Amazon
under kindle right now and it's on Barnes
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and noble for Nook and hardcover and
paperback, and I've had people ask me
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which one gives you more money.
I was like, I don't Um,
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whicheveryone, whicheveryone floats your about because
it's like I think Barnes and nobles,
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like paper, is a little bit
better like quality. So I guess if
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you care about that, do that. If you don't, if you just
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want to kindle like dude, like
it doesn't matter to me exact reaction multiple
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times right. The important thing to
me is that, like, I want
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it's out there and I want people
to then now experience it. So how
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you like? How it's the same
price on either one. So just grab
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it. You know, I always
tell people. I'm like by the I
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tell them by the paperback, and
they're like why? I'm like so I
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excigned it for you one day.
Yeah, like, I think. I
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think after I've released the after I
dropped the price and I and I clicked
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expanded distribution for deception, I think. I think like thirty nine cents per
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copy sold or something right, like
it's not like yeah, and I think.
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I think you get a I think
because of the quality. Also get
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like a smaller margin on Barnes and
noble compared to Amazon. But like I
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literally don't care because, because,
because, like, because, like there's
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something cool. Like, I'm gonna
say this now. I love the books.
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Um, I feel a lot of
like a lot of writers and readers
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like really have a thing against e
books. Um, for some reason,
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because it's like it's the feeling,
the feeling of that. Yes, yeah,
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so I've got my kindle her.
I probably will take paperback or art
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back every day. But the convenience
of this thing, especially when travel,
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convenient when you're traveling, like if
you if you live in a place where
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you don't have space for books,
like it's it's so convenient. Six months
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ago, I need to plug it
in at some point, but I but
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I will say there is something to
the idea that like, I wrote a
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thing and somebody is physically holding my
words in their hands and that's really cool.
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And so where I where I'm like
it's like, look, I would
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encourage you to go grab it from
Martine because you can pre order the physical
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copies there and you'll be able to
get the physical copies on Amazon eventually.
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But if you if you want to, if you want to have it when
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it comes out, go to Barnes
and nobles, like that's that's my suggestion
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to you. So it's just like
that. That's you know, that's uh,
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that's my measure. It's just like
do you want to read it?
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Good, go wherever you want,
I don't care, like it's that's just
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that's my goal. And then I
get people who are like, Oh,
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you know, I'm sorry, man, but I don't. I don't really
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do the reading thing, I do
the do the audiobook things. So I'm
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gonna wait till audio and I'm like, dude, that's fine, like whatever
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floats your boat. You know,
I'm not. I'm not offended that you
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haven't bought it yet. You know, like I give these guys are like,
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Oh, you know, it's it's
in my car, but I'm waiting
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until the next pay period. It's
like to eat waiting five pay periods.
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Just the fact that you want to
buy it is what matters to me.
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Yeah, the intention is like incredible. It's just it's just like the fact
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00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.839
that anybody wants to buy it at
all is just is like a complete like
410
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.920
like you, like you call my
parents could have bought this book and I
411
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.400
would have considered myself successful. You
know what I mean, like it like
412
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.839
because I did it, I did
this thing and that's that's what was important.
413
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.559
Well, and to go back to
to go back to that saying or
414
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.799
what we talked about earlier. That's
the biggest thing is, you know,
415
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.960
everyone in their mother at some point
goes, I should write a book.
416
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.880
Oh, I've got a great book
idea, but it's like a percent of
417
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.119
a percent of people who actually go
through with it, who actually go through
418
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.400
and write it out, and then
it's an even smaller fraction people who actually
419
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.119
then go through the process, whether
it be self publishing or traditional actually put
420
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.920
their work out the MM HMM.
Yeah, which is yeah, because it's
421
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.599
it's like it's an entire because,
like when you write a book, even
422
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:47.359
if, like, like, like
the experience, like the experiences are yielding,
423
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:48.759
is not something that I can apply
to my everyday life, you know,
424
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:55.920
like that's but, but, like, but, like, even so,
425
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:03.440
I'm in this book. I put
myself in there, like like giving
426
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.920
this book, giving a book that
you have written to the world, whether
427
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.599
it's fiction or not, giving something
like this to the world to then read
428
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.279
its tantumount to like publishing one of
your therapy sessions, pretty much in a
429
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.039
way, because it's just like there's
so much personality in this book that's like
430
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:23.039
me, that it's just like it's
a it's a window into my whole everything,
431
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:29.119
and so like, like that's the
challenging part. It's like the publishing
432
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.319
and the sales, like the sales
and worried about the sales, is not
433
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.720
the challenging part to me. It's
the idea that I now have put this
434
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.640
therapy session that's like four hunter something
page therapy session out into the world for
435
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.400
people to Ben just just consumed.
Well, that's and that's a that sort
436
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.519
of seguates me into a great a
great point about why why I enjoyed writing
437
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.680
and then why why I write so
much as I do, is because it
438
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.480
is therapeutic for me. It's,
you know, I got real big into
439
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:04.319
the concept of therapy over the last
basically eight months now. And Yeah,
440
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.960
between writing and my war Hammership,
which is all over there, Um,
441
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:13.440
you know, that's I'm able to
just zen out, whether I'm getting lost
442
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.359
in a world of my own creation
or I'm listening to an audio look,
443
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.119
I'm building and painting. It's it's
great, but that's that's why I love
444
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.039
writing so much and why, outside
of trying to get picked up for things
445
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.960
like the aliens book or the War
Hammer novels that I have ideas for other
446
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.200
than that, where you kind of
have to go through a traditional publisher because
447
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.799
someone else owns the I p.
I'm going to self publish everything because it's
448
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:44.519
my creer. I refuse, with
the exception of those, just because I'm
449
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:50.720
I'm willing to I'm willing to take
the loss on creativity a little bit two
450
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.400
to get my name into fandoms that
I love. Mum, well, that's
451
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.960
the key thing, is that you
did it because you love the thing that
452
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.680
you're writing about. Oh Yeah,
actually, you know. Yeah, so
453
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.839
you're not thinking about like you're not
thinking about that, you're thinking about like
454
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.119
what's a cool thing that I like, that I would want to expand the
455
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.799
world out. And then, which
is exactly different beast than yeah, because
456
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.359
I refused to basically refused to like
we were talking about, you know,
457
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:25.640
chase the algorithm or you know.
So that the author that I liked,
458
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.559
who is I've since fallen out of
linking Um, in his last book,
459
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:38.599
he would like create these just these
conversations to ham fist in product placement on
460
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.440
certain things, and it's just it
wasn't natural, it didn't flow and it
461
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.400
was clearly like Oh, ship,
I forgot to talk about ex coffee company.
462
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.319
I'm trying really hard not to fucking
like you know, name name brands,
463
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:58.200
you know, or ex lifule or
whatever. Oh well, don't you
464
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.680
guys drink good coffee here? No, not really. All contact with my
465
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.440
friends at generic fucking coffee. It's
like, Oh, like, it's just
466
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.519
like. It made me want to
turn off the audiobook. Yeah, if
467
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:12.280
I was reading it, like to
skip through, you know, like a
468
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.920
spotify ad in the middle of your
book, most man like, you know.
469
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.159
And then the same author, he
recently had his first book turned into
470
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.519
an Amazon series, which was not
a very good, faithful adaptation. And
471
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.960
you're narrowing it downs act because,
because there are multiple series that have come
472
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.639
out this year. So there's also
one who edited Amazon series come out.
473
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.719
That was a fucking awesome adaptation of
a book that I didn't even really enjoy.
474
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:43.440
So you know, Games set match
Internet people trying to figure out which
475
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:50.239
one is which. That does that
doesn't gear with my gears. That it
476
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.880
really makes me want to take a
sip of my Canada drive gingerrail with while
477
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.360
you're doing that, I think I'm
gonna have a sip of my Zvia Zero
478
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.760
Calori Soda, Creamy Roupie, or
maybe with Stevia, extra zero calorieszero sugar,
479
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:10.079
same great taste. You love to
see it and you blew it back
480
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:16.199
to the episode. I hadn't I
had the wildest dream, had a terrible
481
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:24.840
dream. You were there and you
were there and there it was. When
482
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:35.960
when you drinks in your dreams,
you drink Sev in real life. This
483
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:43.320
isn't the game, and Jesus,
I even get back on track after that.
484
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.719
But yeah, so that's so.
That's the that's the biggest reason why
485
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:52.039
I will other than those few examples, is Uh is, I will always
486
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:53.840
you know self. PIC was that, and it's also nice to know that
487
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.920
I'm on the copyright. So when
the time comes in, there like we
488
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.800
want to make your thing into a
series, and that okay, here's all
489
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.840
my fucking stipulations about how I'm going
to be involved in the whole process.
490
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.000
Or you can add four more Zeros
to the end of that check. You're
491
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.920
going to change the name of its
title and you're going to change the name
492
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:19.000
of the main characters and you can
do whatever the fuck you want. That's
493
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.360
fair. It's one of those things
where, yeah, I do like owning
494
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.800
the copyright if I like, if
I could like, if a publishing house
495
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:30.840
that came to me and was like
we want to publish like your next thing
496
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:36.679
and like there's a stipulation that worked
out that made sense, I would do
497
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.159
it. But yeah, well,
it's it's just it's just easy to self
498
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.559
published. Like. Well, that
too, it's it's easier. It gives
499
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.920
you, it gives you so much
more creative freedom. Like I um,
500
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:51.840
I don't think I showed you it
yet. I did a I did a
501
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:57.440
test commission for the artists who I
was considering doing the art rockupant, and
502
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.960
she fucking knocked it out of the
water because I I um, I'm basically
503
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.039
for occupant. I was originally going
to do sort of like the generic like,
504
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.280
oh, it would be like a
reflection in the eye, maybe,
505
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.800
like a silhouette of the creature or
a starship against the starescape or stuff like
506
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.280
that. And then I'm I've really
gotten back into reading like those old like
507
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.440
sixties, seventies, eighties pulp like
dime store novels. And remember you told
508
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.960
me about, like you told me
about this concept and and well, here,
509
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:28.679
fuck it, I'll just send it
to you for a quick so you
510
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.639
can see it. Just the concept
to one. Um. What's wrong with
511
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.920
reflections? And I exactly. It's
not for my story. There's nothing wrong
512
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.559
for your story. I know.
fucking call me out like this. Come
513
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.639
on, man, that's important.
It's symbolished. This is fucking entrapment.
514
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:54.719
I don't appreciate this. She managed
to combine that like seventies style with almost
515
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.320
that nineties pulp comic style that I
showed you from that one story form troopers
516
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.000
comic and and she knocked out of
the park for for how you did it.
517
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.039
So I've got to take the reference. Obviously got to take the reference
518
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.639
photo of like me wearing the stuff
that Carter wears, and then I'm gonna
519
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.159
like composite it all together. Yeah, if you if you want to throw
520
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.239
it up. That's that's fucking she
killed it. So I'm like, yeah,
521
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.440
that's who I'm gonna go and send
me, send me her name so
522
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.280
I can put that on the screen. Yes, I will do that after
523
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:30.360
I don't feel like going through my
my bookmarks right now. Uh. But
524
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.400
so I wanted to go with that
that almost like pulpy but very colorful and
525
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.800
kind of realistic but still already style, because I figured people would be like,
526
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.719
well, what's that? You know, maybe it's a fun Oh no,
527
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:51.000
it's not. A Oh my God. That would be the I might
528
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.599
make a Tiktok just for just for
that, where it would be like you
529
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.360
know, occupant with the funk like
and nothing can go wrong. Oh,
530
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:08.480
no, I don't know if you've
seen the audio with that. That'd be
531
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.760
a good first one, for sure. Yeah, I might do that.
532
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:19.239
Get you into the ecosystem. Finally, Um, the other so another thing
533
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.119
too that I going back to,
like process and stuff like that. There
534
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:29.239
were I also Um, there was
one other thing that changed as I like
535
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:37.599
evolved in my writing. Is that
what SAM's evolving? Do? Do?
536
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:43.719
Do? Do Do? Do you
upset? A pokemon crystal coming to you
537
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:52.079
soon? Um? Um, no, it's that I um because you so
538
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.400
you remember. We because I did. I went back and I we watched
539
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.039
the first episode that we did before
we did this, like maybe like a
540
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.719
weekend a half ago. I watched
and, Um, one of the things
541
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:10.559
that I mentioned was that, Um, I I like to write the big
542
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:16.800
set pieces first and then I write
the rest of the story around it.
543
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:23.000
Um, because that's like more exciting
to me. Um. Don't do that
544
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.960
anymore, really, no, I
don't. Um. I don't jump around
545
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.039
a lot anymore. Um, because
it used to be like, Oh,
546
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:37.199
I have a great idea for like
chapter ten, but I'm on chapter two.
547
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:38.760
Better go write chapter ten. And
then go back to chather and like
548
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.039
I don't do that anymore. I'm
more I I write like I write like
549
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.519
front back now and it's just like, and I don't know what changed,
550
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.559
if I have like a really good
idea for a scene and like I know
551
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.559
that like it's not going to be
the same if I don't get it out
552
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.960
now, I'll go right that scene
and put it where it needs to go
553
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.079
and then come back to it later. But for the most part I just
554
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.239
kind of rite. I write linear
linearly now, which I don't know when
555
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.199
that changed, but probably probably just
once you really found your group and all
556
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.800
that. Yeah. So then,
Mike, because there's one one time where
557
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.320
I sort of recommended you didn't do
that. It was a couple of months
558
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.559
ago, and that a little bit
of a little bit a slump, and
559
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.360
I make it and you were like, I'm just so emotional, and I
560
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.559
was like, because I remember you
saying like I'm I'm gonna slump and I
561
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.320
can't really write it right now and
not feeling man, I was like you
562
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.760
any chapters that are like super emotional, where your characters kind of feeling how
563
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.119
you are, and you were like, Oh yeah, and then I think
564
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.079
you went and did it right.
Yeah, and I think you know.
565
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:44.519
I think you know exactly that.
I I I was reading it and I
566
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:49.079
was like the thing this is,
this is this is where the advice came
567
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.800
in. I see, because I've
I've done that as well with certain things.
568
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.559
Um Ship. Basically I spawned the
whole book idea going off of emotions
569
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.360
and all that, the cyber good
idea, um, because I had just
570
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.199
a couple of lines written in the
on the notespage of wod no, this
571
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.480
would be kind of neat. And
then after my break up last year and
572
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:14.079
all that, when I was just
fucking miserable, I was like I need
573
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.760
something, and so I was like, well, this is probably about how
574
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.199
this character would feel, like one
of the main I guess he's the main
575
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.599
character, but there's like a bunch
of like secondary that are right up there
576
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.800
with him. This one, it
was like, I'm pretty sure this is
577
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.280
how he would feel. I'd succe
just the bull pointing this bitch out,
578
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.880
and it helped a lot. MM
HMM. And that's the thing. That's
579
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.559
the thing too, is just like
even just getting the idea out there in
580
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:49.719
a tangible way like really helps.
Like quite a bit, and so it's
581
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.719
it's like it's because I've done that
with with a lot of stuff too,
582
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.719
like even in the days before I
like I would consider like I would,
583
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:02.280
I became a published writer, like
sometimes, even if I didn't intend to
584
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.239
do anything with it, just the
idea of like spilling ideas out onto a
585
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:13.239
page of some kind is therapeutic.
Yeah, and that's Um well, and
586
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.599
the great thing too, is you
know you can. I mean that happened
587
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.679
with persona on grata. I wrote
three chapters of that and like November,
588
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.159
I didn't know what to do.
It is. So I shelved it and
589
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.719
then I came back to it when
I was going for my whole rotc thing
590
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.559
in early and it was like,
well, I've got these three chapters,
591
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.719
let me rewrite them now that I'm
a bit older and use those as a
592
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.880
baseboard. And that was there was
no planning persona grata. It was just
593
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:45.519
I wrote, I wrote, I
wrote, I wrote, until I had
594
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:52.000
a fucking book, you know,
which I'm rewriting it this one last fucking
595
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.159
time and then I'm putting it out. I've done I written was fucking book
596
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.920
like Twelve Times, so many times, so it's it's so which is insane
597
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.400
to me because, like persona on
Grod it was like the first book I
598
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:15.599
knew you were writing and you have
now completed six that aren't persona. Well,
599
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.159
especially now because this final rewuine I'm
adding, I'm adding a whole fucking
600
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:27.639
extra c storyline that involves like the
Hudson Valley Mafia and ship like that.
601
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.960
Yeah, we're like I sort of
made like allusions to it in previous I'm
602
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.360
like, oh no, I'm gonna
add this because it's because it'll pay off.
603
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:42.679
It'll make the final sort of events
pay off even more to follow this
604
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.519
character through these, you know,
this sort of like journey and growth from
605
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:51.280
the organization. And then things happen, you know. So you know,
606
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:52.880
they were sort of like Oh,
ship moments of the original draft and that
607
00:44:52.880 --> 00:45:00.000
would weld be like Oh fuck.
Um. Happened to me too, like
608
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.119
I went back. There is UM. There is this idea that I had
609
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.039
for a book that I found like
that. You know about this that I
610
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:13.960
found the deep the details of and
reworked a little bit, and now that's
611
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:20.360
gonna be like my first thing outside
of Um, like the unyielding universe Um
612
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.320
and I'm really excited about like getting
into it because it's going it's it's gonna
613
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.199
be like a different format, a
different vibe completely, and I'm like,
614
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.760
I'm excited because I think it's a, I think it's a really cool premise
615
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:37.280
and B I love first off,
I love how you wrote unyielding. I'm
616
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.280
already loving how you're writing rebellion.
But I really love when I see an
617
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.480
author who I'm a big fan of
what they write and then they change genres
618
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.159
and they you know, there's a
whole different feeling. One of my favorite
619
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.679
examples of this is Karen Travis.
So I got introduced to her because she
620
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:59.920
wrote the Stall Wars Republic Amando series
back before it got all canonized, because
621
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:07.199
Disney's sucking awful Um. But then
later on she went to write a bunch
622
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:14.239
of the gears of war novels which
were like which were intermittent novels between the
623
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:20.119
Games. Yeah, totally different,
but both excellent, Um, and that's
624
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.519
why I was really excited to know, to get occupant out there, to
625
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.199
to sort of flex my career the
muscles. will be like yeah, this
626
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.079
is totally different. You know,
it's because to this point, like up
627
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.679
to the point where it will have
come out like it's military thrillers, ever,
628
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.960
but now it's like a horror,
sci fi horror thing which is completely
629
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.199
different. Yeah, yeah, with
there's touches of military stuff in there because
630
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:45.039
three of the characters have military backgrounds, but that's not the main focus of
631
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.519
it, like, you know,
like the other ones are, or eventually,
632
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.960
you know, I've got one.
I've got one planned. I full
633
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:57.599
pointed out one night actually like the
major and some of the minor stuff.
634
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:05.679
It's called home for Christmas us and
the elevator pitch is a it's it's a
635
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:12.639
Christmas story with signs, m h
Um, and that was because I read.
636
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.360
Wait, wait, wait, okay, hold on, stop, go
637
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.320
back. Say That again, because
I heard you and I was like yeah,
638
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.039
and I was like wait, no, tell me again. So it's
639
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.840
a Christmas story combined with signs and
like Shan. Okay, I thought I
640
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:32.880
heard that correctly. Okay, okay, yeah, well, you know,
641
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.320
a Missma, mixed Miss Smash,
Miss Smash, I don't know, of
642
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:43.239
signs. And the fourth time like
that style of like there's that sort of
643
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.800
like creepy investigative side of things,
but it turns out it's actually actually terrestrial.
644
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.280
So I'm I'm really excited to write
that. Um. And then,
645
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:53.880
of course, Hashtagger at the moment, that's just gonna be a blaster right
646
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.719
off. I thought probably write that
in a fucking weekend. Yeah, that's
647
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:05.400
gonna I don't know what that's gonna
be excited for it. Um. I've
648
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.400
actually had a couple of more ideas
that I'm like putting in the on the
649
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.840
on the burner for for stuff I
want to write soon. Um Uh.
650
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.880
The one that Um that I told
you about is like this. It's like
651
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.920
a virus outbreak story, but like
with a twist, and it's also combined
652
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:30.079
with like across country like trip story
as well, and it's kind of which
653
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.920
I really like as a as a
narrative device for delivering it, you know,
654
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.840
because it's it almost gives the characters
a tangible it gives the characters and
655
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:44.440
the reader's a tangible sense of progression
as it will go on. So I'm
656
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:52.599
excited about that one. I've got
a Um kind of a comedy Um is
657
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:59.639
it's hard to describe it. I
wanted to be funny. It's like the
658
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.800
stays, like the stakes of it
are serious. But it's funny because this,
659
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:10.360
like the main character, is this
like put upon like like like they's
660
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.880
just like put upon, like really
tired individual that like has been holding it
661
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.159
together for a very long time and
then ship starts to like ship starts to
662
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.079
break, but like cosmically like it's
like this. Yeah, like it's just
663
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.679
like weird, like cosmic steaks kind
of. I'll tell you more about it.
664
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.239
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um, but yeah, it's like this
665
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.559
thing. It's like I think you'll
do fun with that because you write comedy
666
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.039
well, because there when when there
are the bits of levity in unyielding and
667
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.000
so far even in rebellion, although
you should be the one in in rebellion
668
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.480
very early on when you first wrote
it, from the first chapters. Yeah,
669
00:49:51.920 --> 00:50:04.039
Terminator runs away. Um, but
that's out of context explanations. But
670
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:09.239
so you write comedy well, especially
that's sort of, you know, the
671
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.199
much needed levity after ship has gone
wrong. So I think I think you've
672
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.719
got the chops to be able to
take that instead of just like a snippet
673
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.239
or a couple of paragraphs, as
you've done, and I think you could
674
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.800
put that in the whole book.
I think you're more than you're more than
675
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:29.519
capable of doing that. Yeah,
it's because I wanted, because I wanted
676
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.079
like the idea behind I wanted to
be very like a reverend and kind of
677
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.559
like it knows what it's doing,
kind of a kind of a feel for
678
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.440
it. So I'll tell you more
about that one when before we're done.
679
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.320
But, Um, I'm really excited
about the stuff that I'm that I'm doing,
680
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.840
but then also, like you're saying
that about which thank you, by
681
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:51.800
the way. You say you're saying
that about like my writing still makes me.
682
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.840
It kind of makes me think about
like, because UN yielding and rebellion
683
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:02.960
are very much character pieces as much
as they're like the fantasy, the thriller
684
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:12.679
of the Action Um and I.
There's like a lot of important people in
685
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:20.719
those books and it's just like it's
it's uh that may or may not be
686
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:29.199
named after about Um and I've injured
and like I've introduced more like it's just
687
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.159
a whole, the whole thing I
wrote the actually, so I I take
688
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:36.920
it back. I did jump way
for because because I know how rebellion is
689
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.920
going to end. Obviously I've mapped
out all three of them Um pretty closely,
690
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:47.360
but I did like I had.
This will give you a window into
691
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.920
my soul. I was so excited
about it that I do like something the
692
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.840
kind of like the cut off,
the cliffhanger for the second book is like
693
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.719
kind of crazy. And so I
wrote the epilogue and I'm obviously going to
694
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:06.320
change it and tweak it as I
go, but the epilogue hinges on me
695
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.679
introducing a character earlier in the book
and I wrote the chapter where they are
696
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:20.800
introduced and I forgot to introduce from
find to the point I wanted to introduce
697
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.880
because I got so I got so
tired up riding the epilode and I thought
698
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.440
that I did and then I went
back and reread the chapter as like,
699
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.960
Oh, where is this person?
Actually, I did something soilar when I
700
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.440
was working on the aliens book where
I realized, like as I was reading
701
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.400
it, like up to that point
I'd like forgotten a character for like three
702
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.679
chapters and so they're investigating something and
the character shows up as like hey,
703
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:51.039
and I have one of the other
kids like Oh, ship, I forgot
704
00:52:51.079 --> 00:53:01.719
he was with us. It comes
back and it's amazing the stuff that like.
705
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.079
It's like it's a critical piece of
the puzzle of the book. I
706
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.039
just completely it's just like, are
you kidding me right now? I was
707
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.559
like ship, does this work here
with how I've written the rest of it,
708
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.719
because I like the rest of it. Yes, it does. Okay,
709
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.559
we're fine. I'm glad you're able
to recover that. God, I
710
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.519
was. Yeah, I was just
completely bit and that's a nothing. And
711
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.639
this is this is quickly turning into
me, you know, praising you was
712
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.920
a writer, which I'm perfectly okay
with. Is You. You wrote unyielding
713
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.400
in a very, very good way, and the fact that you know,
714
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.920
because it is a character piece and
the characters are all important. Um,
715
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.400
you know. Obviously that's sort of
goes with that saying. But then you
716
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:50.840
took it a step further by not
only making that known, but then making
717
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.000
me care about each and every character, to include some of the fucking bad
718
00:53:54.039 --> 00:54:00.800
guys who were complete bastards, but
they're also just as important. So so
719
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.079
it wasn't just like, you know, there were no throwaway characters. It
720
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.679
felt like, uh, you know, even even when there were some that
721
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:13.079
I had totally forgotten about in like
the break between and I was like wait,
722
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:19.480
who, and I feel like go
back because because the way you read
723
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.679
it. Because, yeah, exactly, that's that's not that's not a thing
724
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:23.920
on how you wrote it. That
was how I was reading it at the
725
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.599
time. Right. That is something
that I worried about a lot because that's
726
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.800
so so because I'm a terrible person. I've only read deception. I haven't
727
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.280
read wet work in or any of
the other three that. Oh No,
728
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.199
it's their books, man, reading
at your own pace, um, but
729
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:50.400
from when I read deception. Um, because let me, let me praise
730
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:57.840
you for Goddamn Second, damn it. Oh No, please stop. Because
731
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.199
the way that, because you have
in in the modern mercenary and trilogy,
732
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:06.320
you have Alex Morgan, have been
in your three main characters and you give
733
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:13.159
them like each perspective chapters where it's
from their perspective. They're off doing different
734
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.320
things. That then that that like
filter into the rest of the plot.
735
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.559
There's like their plots going on in
their flashbacks and stuff like that, and
736
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:27.960
I think that all three of them
are very well characterized like individuals. I
737
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.440
think that I think it is very
clear to me like who the kind of
738
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:36.840
like like jokester rogue of the Party
is, who's like the leader, like
739
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.840
it all. It's very clear to
me like you've done. You've you've made
740
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:45.800
some great characters and you've you've because
of your experiences and how you've taken those
741
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.320
and applied them to the book,
like you've you've given the kind of like
742
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.079
a very fleshed out, very fleshed
out view into that kind of world,
743
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:57.440
and I think you've done a very
good job. Um, because I said,
744
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.960
I said this and I did a
review on Amazon, I meant to
745
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.239
Reword I'm not a fan of military
thrillers and military novels, like I've never
746
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:08.199
I've tried, I've never really been
a fan. I really dig deception and
747
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:12.679
I dig the world with you built
and I like that's why I'm excited to
748
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.599
jump into the next one, because
I was, like, I was very
749
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.800
honest with myself when I went into
it. I was like I have to
750
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:23.840
read this book from the perspective of
somebody that, like, is into the
751
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:30.000
genre and give my feedback that way
because, like, I know it's going
752
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.679
to be a well written book,
but I don't know if I'm going to
753
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.639
enjoy it specifically. But I really, I really dug it well, I
754
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.079
I honestly, you know what's funny
is it's almost the it's almost the same
755
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.159
with with on you, because I
am not a big fantasy person like my
756
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.639
you know, I've never read tolkien
other than like the Hobbit. Um.
757
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.559
No, my my biggest fantasy things
were I read Aragon back in the day
758
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.239
and uh, and what the fun
was? It called Um Pendragon, which
759
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:06.880
was very Um. So I sort
of like alright, like, I'm not
760
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.800
a big Fan. But then when
you told me it was more low fantasy
761
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.559
and a little bit more and all
that, I was like all right,
762
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.280
you know, and obviously it was
going to read it anyway, Um,
763
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.280
you know, just to support you
as a friend. And Yeah, it's
764
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.159
well, same, same. Yeah, it was the same thing of you
765
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.800
know, let me go into this
with a different mind that I would normally
766
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:30.519
and knocked it out of the port. And same, same to you that
767
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.360
that was the thing, that the
genre that I would up coming up with
768
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.480
for inn yielding is urban fantasy thriller, which I think is perfect for it.
769
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:44.400
Yeah, Um, but all that
stuff that I said about your writing,
770
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.119
to say is that the way that
you have chosen to Um, to
771
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.400
do it is that you have perspective
chapters and you have your main characters each
772
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.679
have parts from their point of view, whereas the way that I've done,
773
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:02.440
I think I have like two chapters
from Natasha's perspective, Um, but the
774
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:07.360
book for the most part is aces
book. He is the main character,
775
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.639
Um, and so it follows his
perspective. So my worry was I have
776
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.519
from so at the beginning of the
book, I have, and I'm looking
777
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.000
at them right now, I have
their little portraits that Teo Alex said for
778
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.840
me, which are amazing. Um, I have nine characters, including ace,
779
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:32.400
the main character, to introduce to
the readers, and my big worry
780
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:37.760
about it was with more, with
more being introduced later. By the way,
781
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.480
I was like all those secondary characters, people that you have to read
782
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.840
the book to find out about exactly, and people who then become, it
783
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:52.320
more important in the second as well. Um, it's like my worry was
784
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:58.199
that I wasn't going to give each
of them enough time. And there are
785
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.960
character and there are characters that get
introduced close to the beginning that I feel
786
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.440
don't get a lot of time until
closer to the end of the book.
787
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:13.840
And so my worry was balanced and
like, are people going to care if
788
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.760
you don't get a lot of depth
out of like ex character before x point
789
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:23.400
of the book and like, Um, like the two characters, the two,
790
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.800
the two that I'm talking about specifically. So I'll just name them,
791
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.280
because it's fine, Um, people
are gonna read them anyway. So the
792
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:34.519
two characters I'm talking about specifically are
IRA and Barracuda, who I introduced towards
793
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.840
the beginning, and IRA was like
their radio contact. So IRAS around.
794
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.599
Racut is actually one of the ones
that I was like, wait a minute,
795
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:45.039
like is there was like longer breaks
and he doesn't show up for a
796
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:50.599
couple of chapters. So I was
like right, just just again the way
797
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:57.280
I was reading it, if you
read it all right. So I was
798
00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.760
sitting here and just like is this? Is this good? Is this fine?
799
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.000
I think. I think the balance
that I came up with was was
800
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.199
actually over specifically the Chapter I was
like, wait a minute, it was
801
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:14.199
the one before you introduced golden boy, which I still have ever thinking like
802
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:20.159
if he names this fucking thing after
like, I'm gonna fucking yell at him.
803
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:25.280
And thankfully you didn't. I got
close, I got real close,
804
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.639
but I reeled myself back. But
yeah, so even even those ones and
805
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:36.440
then you're more what I really liked
with certain characters. Do you care if
806
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.159
I name them or yeah, I
think what my favorite ones. You did
807
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:45.840
it that we're we're actually peggy.
And then the backstory for Carmichael and how
808
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.639
yeah, you introduced one in the
idea of one, and people, when
809
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.760
you read it, will know what
I mean with that Um, and then
810
01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:00.519
you just kind of bread crumbed it
throughout until the big reveal, and then
811
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.599
he dropped a few more breadcrumbs and
built on top of that. But it
812
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.199
was like, okay, we're learning
a little more about these characters. You
813
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.800
know, I also like their personalities. That think did funnies. Hell Um
814
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:14.880
especially is the one sort that grows
into his personality. And then I love
815
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:20.000
talking around this stuff. It makes
it sounds so excited, great and uh,
816
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:22.800
and then it's sort of like okay, we you know. Well,
817
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.760
what's the story of this? What's
the story of this naturally occurring exposition?
818
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.400
Oh, now I'm a thousand times
more invested in these characters that I already
819
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:38.800
cared about because I understand the tragedy
behind what happened. Yeah, yeah,
820
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:43.440
the one that you're talking about that
grows into his personality is maybe my favorite
821
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:49.400
character. He's he's a lot of
fun, especially especially the interaction between him
822
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.400
and Ace and the beginning of rebellion. Yeah, I wanted to like,
823
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:58.159
really really, like give him a
lot more personality as he went. Also,
824
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:00.239
just just so you know, because
like us a terminal earlier, but
825
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.079
literally I pictured it where they're talking
to talking that he's sort of standing,
826
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.480
there's stock still in. Blink,
blink, blink, and then just tase
827
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.039
off it or like, you know, it does even sort of like turn
828
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:14.719
and then just freaking turns and sprints, you know, and it's just sort
829
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:19.320
of like uh, and then once
you say I guarantee no promises or something
830
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:24.000
like yeah, because that because,
yeah, I'll sing. This is not
831
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:29.599
a spoiler, but he's like he's
so so, just like, in case
832
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:32.599
you're wondering, this is a robot
we're talking about. Yeah, yeah,
833
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:37.559
all right, and I know I
didn't know how far you want. He
834
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.360
gets introduced, but he gets introduced
very early in the first one and you
835
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.679
know he's a robot. So it's
not I'm not depressed about that. But
836
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.360
like his like one of the through
lines of the second book is that he
837
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:51.719
is not good with idioms and so
said, which I love for a robot
838
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.199
because it makes sense on so many
levels. Yeah, so he just says
839
01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.800
idioms that are completely asked backwards and
I try not to explain them so that
840
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:06.679
you, as a reader, can
be like what he did? You mean
841
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.960
to say this, and it was. That's a great approach. I love
842
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:15.280
that. And literally, like,
I think, aces around for most of
843
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:19.079
the Times he says them, and
so as just like out to work on
844
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.159
radiance man, like what are you
doing? That's like me with my stepmother,
845
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:28.119
how she like she gets, she
gets American sayings like right, she'd
846
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:31.239
be like a bird in the hand
is with two six dozen to the other
847
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.519
and I'm like, what did you
just say? All right, mom,
848
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:46.320
serious I am. The other thing, too, was Um characterizations. I
849
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:52.559
think we talked about this Um and
the last one about like representation for like
850
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:58.840
various groups in the stuff that you
make and like how you want to like
851
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.280
you want to introduce that stuff,
but like it not be like the complete,
852
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:05.960
unless it's unless it's a story about
that thing, to make it be
853
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:13.039
the the entire the character's whole deal. But I was going through and one
854
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.320
of the things that I was.
That was really important to me when I
855
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.400
was doing when I write just in
general, is, like I come from
856
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:24.800
a like a POC background, I
am queer, like there's a lot of
857
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:31.280
things and I wanted to make I
know, it's, you know, Um,
858
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:39.679
and I wanted to I wanted to
make sure that I introduced those things
859
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.440
into into the into the world.
Um, as far I was like like
860
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.840
race and stuff like that, I
didn't, like I have my head cannon
861
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.400
as to what I think the races
of the characters are, um, but
862
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:53.760
I left a lot of it to
the reader's imagination. So that like,
863
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.199
because the other thing that I'm a
fan of is the ability to put yourself
864
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:00.719
into a character. So, like, even if I haven't like described that,
865
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:06.840
Um, like x character is black
or x character is Asian or whatever.
866
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:12.679
Like if you are an Asian person, if you are a black person,
867
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.199
if you're a white person, with
anybody, you can put yourself into
868
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.559
ace's shoes and Um, ace,
Ace can be you. You know,
869
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.159
you know if he can be your
representation. Um. But the one thing
870
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:29.400
that I did want to do is
like put like I had a worry and
871
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:35.400
because there's not like any kind of
like explicit like queer representation in gun yielding
872
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.320
at all. And I was sitting
here I was just like, I talked
873
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:46.199
a big game about this ship didn't
do it. Um, I think you
874
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:49.960
left it open for a lot of
that stuff, which I well, please,
875
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.679
want. Well, I was gonna
say there's like so I did like
876
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.159
in rebellion, like there are some
stuff and it's not like it's one of
877
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:02.639
them is a little less subtle,
but it moves on pretty quickly, right.
878
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:08.079
And there's another one that's very like. That's very like undertone that if
879
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.639
you're not like like you could if
you read it and you read a line,
880
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:18.320
you're just like, is it probably
so? Um, uh. So
881
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.360
I wanted to add a little bit
more characterization as far as that was in
882
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.800
the second one, but I was
just like, I don't know why.
883
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.800
That was a big point of anxiety
for me when I was writing because like,
884
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.320
obviously, like, as someone who
has been vocal about that stuff and
885
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:36.599
that passed about like needing that stuff
and wanting that stuff, to then be
886
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:44.239
the person that doesn't specifically like do
that felt weird. Um. But I
887
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:48.280
also like I tried not to make
myself to like, like I tried not
888
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:54.000
to give myself too much grief over
it because, like this is how I
889
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:56.800
have to write this. I don't
think. I don't think you need to
890
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.639
give yourself any preef over it because
also, you know, yeah, you
891
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:05.960
maybe didn't, didn't explicitly say it, but let's you say you host an
892
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.800
event or something and people come and
ask for what it so what about x
893
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:14.519
character? You'd be like, yeah, they're they're queer, bisexual, whatever.
894
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.440
UH, why didn't you write it
out? I didn't really add to
895
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.840
the story, so I didn't have
to. Yeah, I think, and
896
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.480
I think ultimately that like I want. Another thing too, is that like
897
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.199
the people that are probably going to
see this video, also, like people
898
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.039
who are going to read the book
will likely, at some point, potentially
899
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.840
see this video as well, like, like it's important. Yeah, well,
900
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:42.760
because what did you read my about
the author page? Yes, I
901
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.280
just I put so, I put
my like social media, which includes the
902
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.559
Youtube Channel, Um uh, in
there, and so, you know,
903
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:55.000
maybe they'll dig into it whatever,
but I um like, Oh, you
904
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:57.639
know, what you want you should
do is you should put the Qr code
905
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.800
for it. Oh, yeah,
I should, because you can give it.
906
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:08.360
You can get them for free.
Yeah, yeah, I'll have a
907
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:13.039
good chrome extension, don't you?
This episode brought to you by honey,
908
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:20.199
sell your data for even more.
We Um. But no, it's just
909
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:24.439
it's one of those things where it's
just like I, like, I want
910
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.720
to do things. They're in service
to the story, but I also want
911
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:29.960
people to like know that I am
thinking about that. I want them to
912
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:35.640
be able to see themselves in the
characters and so, like, whatever you
913
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:40.439
think about, like a character for
unless I have explicitly stated it, like
914
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.439
go for it, man, like
if that's if that's your that's your bread
915
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.880
and butter, and that makes you
feel like go for it, I think.
916
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.520
I think that's honestly, I think
that's the best way to approach it.
917
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:55.039
Um. The other thing that I
wanted to bring up, because you
918
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.039
brought up how you sort of you
know, ace is sort of yeah,
919
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.840
he's Ace puddies also vague enough that
you know, you could put yourself issues,
920
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:06.920
was when, and I didn't realize
I did this, but Um,
921
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:13.479
yeah, because actually he would.
One Who mainly brought it up was that
922
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.920
I kind of did the same with
the main three in my books, and
923
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.640
that became more apparent when I did
that first sort of like Oh, who
924
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:26.199
you're and because you because you chose
Michael B Jordan's for Alex. so I
925
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.399
think it would be an awesome cast
if if I wasn't able to get Jensen
926
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:35.600
eackles Um and then, Um,
I feel terrible because I don't remember his
927
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:40.239
name, but the guy from get
out and he also played in Black Panther
928
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:47.319
and Cicario for for more that one, but one of your people, that's
929
01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:49.760
right. But yeah, someone,
someone picked him for Morgan. I was
930
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.000
like, that's a really good fucking
choice too, and he's a really great
931
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:58.319
act and Oh yeah, he's phenomenal
and but I thought it was interesting and
932
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.640
I because I didn't think in my
of mine, you know, Morgan or
933
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:09.199
Morgan analytics are like fucking waves.
Waits can be video is like a quarter
934
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:13.680
Cuban Um, you know, but
he is more so on the angle of
935
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:17.079
Saxon side in my head. Um, yeah, but I'm I'm glad that
936
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.520
I was able to write it in
a way that there's a variety and how
937
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:25.199
people picture them right. Well,
because that's the thing. Is like something
938
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:30.239
like that, like and again,
like, unless the story is about specifically,
939
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:31.520
like this is my culture, this
is my race, this is my
940
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.399
sexual like, unless the story is
like one of those stories, it's really
941
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:42.359
easy to take a character, even
if they are played as white in like
942
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:44.920
a book, or like black or
something like. It's really easy to take
943
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.279
a character and make them whatever you
want them to be. Like. Obviously
944
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.760
the thing that you can't change about
like your care like they are, like
945
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:54.319
they are like the two of them
at least are married, like. So
946
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.680
that's a built in relationship that has
to be there. But as far as
947
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.479
like what the those characters are making
me whoever. You know in my head
948
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.520
can in my head, can and
I know what they are. But listen,
949
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:11.760
if you know if a reader interprets
it one way. That's the beauty
950
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.079
of fucking reading is it's all subjective
and how you interpret it, what you
951
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:19.000
take away from it. You know, I forget what the there's a quote
952
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:23.439
out there work, but it's like
as soon as you put something out there,
953
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:29.800
you're your intended message no longer matters
because everyone's gonna interpret it in a
954
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.880
different way. Not that, not
that I really wrote any of my books
955
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.680
with a message. It was just
like I think this would be cool,
956
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:39.119
let me write it. You know, I don't. I don't set out
957
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.359
to write any of these with like
an overging message of like, by the
958
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.479
time they finished reading this, this
is how they should be feeling, because
959
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.960
it's probably not gonna happen. I
am cool because the same thing as like,
960
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:53.239
I also, like, obviously I
had commissioned, like, I'm not
961
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:55.000
gonna, I'm not gonna show the
art work. I think. I think
962
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:58.600
Teo Alex, Teo Alex or on
Instagram, will will likely share some of
963
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:02.960
them on, Um, his instagram
now that Um, the book's coming out,
964
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:06.399
because we talked about that. But
yeah, but that's like, this
965
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:10.239
is my head Canon, this is
what I've what I've kind of decided,
966
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.399
but I will say, like,
like I was thinking about, like,
967
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.000
like you've seen my very extensive cast
list of people that would cast in like
968
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:21.800
a movie, show whatever. Uh, there are two characters, the characters,
969
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:28.199
the characters that Um were named after, Zack and Cole, who also
970
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:34.199
have a very similar which perfectly.
You perfectly captured the Cole and Zach cattiness
971
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.000
and sort of like a fucking I
hate you, but I also love you.
972
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:45.159
Man. You know the like the
I've I've pictured like, oh well,
973
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.159
the Cole characters, Ethan Hawk and
the Zach Characters, Michael Shannon,
974
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:51.720
and I think, like I like
those are like that's my head. Like
975
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:56.439
I would I would love something like
that. But but like it doesn't that
976
01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:00.960
doesn't really matter in the end.
Like if you see Ethan Hawk in in
977
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.479
Uh d O, then so be
it. Like who do you see?
978
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:10.640
I want to know, like it's
cool. I want that's the thing whenever
979
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:17.039
I read it. Well, you
have extra context, Um, but well,
980
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:18.840
that's the thing of it too,
is like I was thinking about this
981
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:23.560
and I was like, I would
love, I would love to get to
982
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:29.399
a point where, like I'm like
the book is Pop. The book are
983
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.359
Popular Enough and I'm popular enough where
I can get cool Stan Art, but
984
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.920
like stop just short of like Tumbler
Shipping, like if I can like get
985
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:41.800
to that point, that would be
that would be good. I'm happy about
986
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.359
it. But I think, like
and again, if you getting to a
987
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:46.239
point where're talking about like casting for
like a TV show or something like,
988
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:53.800
your you your way beyond that point. So I guess, Hey, you
989
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:59.720
know what time will tell. Time
will tell Um. So I have a
990
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.359
question for you. Okay, tell
me. I was gonna I was gonna
991
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.680
say. What else should we tell? How other worldly did I feel that
992
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:12.720
first time that you got that first
author copy? My God, so I'll
993
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.239
pick up I'll pick up this copy
because this, this right here, specifically
994
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.039
is the first author copy. So
you can actually see the difference. This
995
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:23.479
is not this is my like proof
cover, this is the this is the
996
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.680
final cover. Um, so you
can kind of see the difference now.
997
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:31.800
It changed over time. This specifically
is the first copy of this book I
998
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.560
ever held in my hand and I
remember getting it, because I don't haven't
999
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:39.279
even have the description on the back, but I remember getting it and holding
1000
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:43.000
it and being like what the Funk, I'm just like flipping through. It's
1001
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.720
like there's words in here like these. It's not just there are words,
1002
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:50.319
these are my words on the words. Yeah, so, well, that's
1003
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:51.720
the things that I got. I
was like, it's not just like a
1004
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.920
blank notebook of nothing like it's these
are the words that I wrote. And
1005
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.479
here I remember flipping like somewhere in
the middle. I don't know if there
1006
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:02.039
was, and I just I was
I just went it's like just smell the
1007
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.960
fresh book. Smell that like my
words put out there, and it's just
1008
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:11.760
like that it was. It was
like I felt it's hard to explain how
1009
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.039
I felt, but I felt like
I don't know, I didn't I feel
1010
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:17.880
like I was having almost an out
of body experience, that this doesn't this,
1011
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:23.159
this isn't real, this isn't right. It's funny because, as you
1012
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.119
know, once you get into the
writing and all that, because when you
1013
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:30.359
first started you're like, fucking publishing, that's years down the road, all,
1014
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.920
y'all, I'll be sixty before that
happens, and then once you finally
1015
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.680
put in all the work, for
all the all the writing and the editing
1016
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:41.159
and the vision and all that,
you hold that first copy for the very
1017
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:46.159
first time, it's like what,
like I did it, that's that's what
1018
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:50.039
it feels like. It's like I
did it the I think what's going to
1019
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:58.399
come very close to that for you
is when you get that first picture from
1020
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:03.119
someone who has ordered it and they
send me that Selfie of them holding it
1021
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:10.319
and they'd be like what the fuck, like this is amazing because because it's
1022
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:15.119
it's unlike anything that I had ever
felt when it finally add to me.
1023
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.359
I was gonna ask, like when
you first, when you first held deception
1024
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:19.479
in your hands when it came,
like when you got your proof, like
1025
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.239
how did that? I actually got
a little choked up because it was like
1026
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:29.560
after so many years, you know, after so many years, after so
1027
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.199
many revisions, and finally, you
know, pour my heart and my soul
1028
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.880
into this thing, it's finally like
tangible. You know, I'm not just
1029
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:39.199
looking at it on a word document
together scrolling through it on my phone.
1030
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:43.920
Um. So. So that's how
I felt with it. Um. And
1031
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.680
then the third one, and this
actually happened to me a couple of weeks
1032
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.359
ago, and it's just it's still
such an other world. We surreal feeling,
1033
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.680
as when you get hit up out
of the blue from someone who do
1034
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:58.760
have no connection with, you know, no mutuals or anything. Hey Man,
1035
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:00.520
you know, I just ordered book, or I just finished reading your
1036
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.920
book and it was really good.
You just wanted, you know, reach
1037
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:12.680
out and you're like what, basically, yeah, and it's it's such it's
1038
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.199
such an awesome feeling, though.
Yeah, that was well, I bet
1039
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.479
it was. It's like you can't
account fast. I think too. Is
1040
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.359
it like like you never know,
like what somebody's gonna see on like their
1041
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:26.000
suggested fee. You never know what
like somebody just looking through Amazon or burns
1042
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.520
and over or whatever, it's going
to just stumble on like you have,
1043
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:30.079
you have, like that's the beauty
of it is, like once it's in
1044
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.600
the wild, like it's scary and
it's also cool at the same time.
1045
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.720
But once it's in the wild,
like it's out there, like you don't
1046
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:39.359
have any control over it anymore,
like it's just out there. So it's
1047
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.680
it's pretty, it's pretty wild.
But that was that was a big reason
1048
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.960
as to why I sort of I
still kept gassing you up and encouraging you
1049
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:53.079
and all that is because at that
point, yeah, because of that point,
1050
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:55.840
what can come out? But you
know, I've gotten deception out and
1051
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:00.279
I knew, I knew what an
awesome feeling it was and and I was,
1052
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:06.640
and I'm still excited for you to
feel that feeling of once September fifteen
1053
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:11.680
for you hits, it was June
one for me last year. Um,
1054
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:16.680
once that hits, to be like, okay, you know, I've done
1055
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:20.960
it, I've I've done everything.
I've read the book. It is out
1056
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:27.560
there, people can go, people
around the world can fucking buy my book
1057
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.560
now. I didn't, and that's
why, that's why I sort of encouraged
1058
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:35.159
you so much because I knew at
that point what an awesome feeling was and
1059
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:38.479
I was like, Oh, like, I want everyone to feel this at
1060
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:42.079
least months in my life, you
know. So it's it's it was like
1061
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.880
I can only imagine it's a great
feeling to just like have had it,
1062
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.439
but like to the next step of
like it being out and people being able
1063
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:53.039
to just like see it, actually
have it. It's like probably its next
1064
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:55.399
level. It's actually really funny.
And so this copy even got like the
1065
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.800
default like Barnes and noble spine that
like I forgot. I didn't do a
1066
01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:01.720
full cover file when I put it
so it's just like this, like hello,
1067
01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.479
but I gotta say that that's striking
green for the spine. I really
1068
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:13.560
like, because this is because this
is the this is what the spinet which
1069
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.600
is still the same like green,
like it's it's pretty. Oh yeah,
1070
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:21.560
but that that like the one you
gave me, which has a striking green
1071
01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:25.680
I love. Like it's it's a
shame that I got here when it did
1072
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.760
because I've already packed up on my
other books, but I can't wait to
1073
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:30.479
look at it on the shelf.
That's what I'm saying is I can't wait
1074
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.039
for, you know, once I
get back and get so by a couple
1075
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:38.199
more bookshelves, because that's obviously going
to go on the top shelf with all
1076
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:41.760
the others signed and or I know
the people who wrote it. But you
1077
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.000
know, so I'll be but it'll
be great to be able to be like
1078
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.000
there's Sam, because it could be
that bright spotty green. Well, Leslie,
1079
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.239
Unlessie, I was telling me.
He's like, he's like, well,
1080
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:56.000
Um, we mean kristen and I
uh put our books arranger of bookshloves
1081
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.680
by color, and so you have
the honor of being next to a really
1082
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:04.640
good a poetry and the twin peaks
novels. It's like, that's interesting.
1083
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:09.760
that the range right. Yeah,
it's it's very like it's a it's a
1084
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.960
it's a neat aesthetic. I was
just trying to I need to ask him
1085
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.680
to send me a picture of that
because I want to see what it looks
1086
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.239
like in practice. But what I'm
thinking of doing because so I actually changed
1087
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:18.479
it. So the one you got
for occupant, it's just the one with
1088
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:23.800
the moon. You found this one
where it's more of like a like a
1089
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:26.760
like a thing being silhout. But
when I'm thinking to do when it's when
1090
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.800
I get the artwork, you just
slapping the artwork out here and keeping it
1091
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.399
for the back to have this and
that little just a little bit of color
1092
01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:36.119
up top. It's under it.
It's Oh yeah, it's over. The
1093
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:41.640
great thing actually just to give just
to really other than the size, to
1094
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:45.119
distinguish it from the other ones,
because like the modern mercenary series, they're
1095
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:46.199
all going to have that black spine. I like how that looks. So
1096
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:50.000
that's sort of blocky texts, like
yeah, it's cleaning, it works.
1097
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:55.880
Yeah, Um, but yeah,
I guess that's it for now. Like
1098
01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:00.279
obviously you know later down the road
when you're when you're back in. I
1099
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:05.680
got more. If I do at
least a year, that would put me
1100
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:14.119
back around what aw say, August, and next year all in will be
1101
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:18.079
out, because that's coming out next
May. Occupant will be coming out.
1102
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:21.840
Occupant right, because it was it
coming in twenty four, isn't it?
1103
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:31.439
No one that's coming correct. Yeah, casiers and then so four will both
1104
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:38.960
be dual release. SES okaye will
have all in in May an occupant in
1105
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.760
November, because I want to release
that right in time for like Christmas and
1106
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:49.800
all that. Drop my pen and
UH will have casadors, which is booked
1107
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:55.319
for in the modern mercenary series and
the first one of the modern mercenary shared
1108
01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.000
world and it's direct sequel. Turning
point will probably be around November December time,
1109
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:01.760
because they're both kind of on the
shorter side. I mean, yeah,
1110
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.640
they're smaller. Yeah, fucking like
significantly. You know, let me
1111
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:10.199
just we we got, we got
the biggest of the smallest of the series
1112
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:14.840
next to week. Damn, books
are fighting me. Hold on God.
1113
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:20.680
Yeah, so book three and four
next to each other. Yeah, it
1114
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.840
was funny when I first got these
author copies of all in and I was
1115
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:29.479
like holy fun this thing is Chunky. So I realized something too, like
1116
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.960
so I'm gonna compare. So this
is, Um, this is the small,
1117
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:39.520
the small paperback from Barnes and Noble. This is the small paperback from
1118
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:46.520
Amazon. It's very they're very what
is it the what is the Amazon on
1119
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:50.000
the regular? Five by seven?
Amazon is like five by seven. So
1120
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:55.000
that's the same size as these guys. Yeah, and then, Um,
1121
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.439
Barnes and noble, it's like five. Like I use an APP called scrivener
1122
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.119
and it, lets you export it, lets you export in six by nine
1123
01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:04.920
for hardcover, and also lets you
expert like five point eight by like seven
1124
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:09.199
points something in paperback. And that's
what I've been exporting as, and so
1125
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:13.000
that's what Barnes and noble has an
option for that. Um, yeah,
1126
01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:17.079
I had to manually plug in mine. For for Ocpen, it's this is
1127
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:26.319
four, four point two by six
point seven. Um, which Barnes and
1128
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.840
noble has? I think Barnes and
noble has one, but also barnes and
1129
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:35.439
nobles a lot noble fucking cover things. Kissing me off, man, I
1130
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:39.960
know, I know that. We
yeah, five point Oh six by seven
1131
01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:46.520
point eight one is the okay back
for but um, go ahead. No,
1132
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.840
I was gonna say I was just
gonna kind of like like wrap us
1133
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:53.319
up, but like, yeah,
we've got a lot of stuff coming.
1134
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:56.399
Very excited. Well, actually,
so I don't. I haven't written any
1135
01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:00.399
of that. I've got one more
thing planned. It's uh, in rereading
1136
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:04.399
all these like pulp novels and all
that, I'm actually going to start my
1137
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:12.000
own pulp series and just quick burn, you know, just amaz night and
1138
01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.479
exactly. I don't like for now, just enough to cover the fucking printing
1139
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.960
costs pretty much. Um. So, yeah, beyond the look after that,
1140
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:23.479
I've got I've got to two series
plans so far. The first is
1141
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:28.920
going to be the commando squad series
and the second one is it's either going
1142
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:33.560
to be called the night attendant or
just the janitor Um. But yeah,
1143
01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:42.560
so those, those will becoming soon
excellent. Um. So, Um,
1144
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:46.720
I'll do the typical thing. Thank
you, Zack, for joining me on.
1145
01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:51.479
I'm glad we were able to honestly
this one of these, because it's
1146
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.640
just like a very dedicated thing that
we're focused on. Like we could probably
1147
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:59.199
figure out, like if it makes
sense to do another one while you're out
1148
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.960
on movies. If anything, you
know, because I get PTO and time
1149
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.520
off and all that. So if
anything I could like when I decided to
1150
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:11.279
take a break, you know,
we'll work out the schedule and I'll record
1151
01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:14.680
it from like a hotel room or
something. Right, so we'll like,
1152
01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.159
it'll like, we'll figure it.
Well, there's a chance they get they
1153
01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:21.520
get to see full wild man sech
which, if I correctly, I had
1154
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.359
the wild man thing going for the
last one of the use that we recorded.
1155
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:28.479
You have. Your hair was a
lot longer. My hair was longer.
1156
01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.159
I think my beard was bigger too. Yeah, yeah, Um,
1157
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:33.800
but, yeah, so potentially,
like, if it makes sense to do
1158
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:36.159
another one, we'll do we'll do
another. We'll figure it out. But,
1159
01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:43.439
but, but, until then you
can do the good youtube things like
1160
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.239
comment and subscribe, hit the bell
notification so people tell you exactly when new
1161
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:50.359
videos come out and tell friends they
can join in on the fun. Um,
1162
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:56.319
as mentioned, the Zax Books,
Deception and wet work, are both
1163
01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.800
out now. You can purchase on
on Amazon. Um, the links are
1164
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.760
for all these are gonna be in
the description. Um, next book may
1165
01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:13.159
all in the final book in the
the current modern mercenary thrower's trilogy, the
1166
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.640
shared world's coming. So we'll look
out for that. Um. And then
1167
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.920
you've got on yielding, and that's
coming out on September fifteenth. You can
1168
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:25.000
pre order it now as well,
Amazon and Barnes and noble. Links in
1169
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:27.960
the description. Yeah, very proud, very excited, very happy. So
1170
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:33.199
I'm I'm very support and support your
independent author to get non chilling books.
1171
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:39.279
Yeah, if you give me,
if you buy enough books, I promise
1172
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:43.439
I'll write a book that is entirely
shilling, just as a joke, just
1173
01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:46.600
just the whole thing is just one
big fucking ad read. I'm gonna read.
1174
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:49.800
I'm gonna write a romance novel where
the main characters are me and a
1175
01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:55.680
bottle of snapple PhD to hopefully get
snapple's attention finally. So I'd read it.
1176
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:00.840
Yeah, I knew that I received
their tend when I got their correspondence
1177
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:06.960
of a cease and desists in the
mail, and I will hold that season
1178
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:14.199
desist close to my heart until the
day I die. Anyway, go,
1179
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:16.119
go, buy your bus, go, creator our books, do all the
1180
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:20.960
things and, as always, I
would like to remind you have a great
1181
01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.720
life. Thank you very much.
Bye. Also, don't forget to review
1182
01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.439
the books. Yeah, review them, review them when they come out.
1183
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.039
It helps please, oh my God, please,
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I know what you must be thinking. Wow, another episode of the midcast
2
00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:06.320
so soon after the last one,
and you're excited because you took that long
3
00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:10.320
hiatus and now it seems like a
lot of midcasts are coming out all at
4
00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:15.599
once. Well, you're wrong.
That's not what this is. Damn it.
5
00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.920
I'm sorry. Um, I wanted
to put this out as a special
6
00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:27.359
bonus on the podcast feed because,
Um, it's something that I'm really proud
7
00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:30.760
of and want to talk about.
Um, in case you weren't aware,
8
00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.920
you might be, but you might
also not know, I wrote a book.
9
00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:38.359
Uh. It is called unyielding and
it's coming out September and you can
10
00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.640
go to link tree slash Sam,
versus Sam to pre order it. That's,
11
00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:48.240
uh, link T R dot e
e slash S A M v R
12
00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:52.159
S U s s a m.
Yes, the versus is spelled out,
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Um, and, like I said, it has links to pre order on
14
00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.280
Amazon and Barnes and noble there in
case you want to read it. It
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00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:02.119
is an urban fantasy thriller, Um, that I'm very proud of and excited
16
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of, and it's the first book
in a trilogy. Um. So that's
17
00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:11.879
that. But back in Zach and
I before I even announced what the book
18
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was called or or what was what
was really going on, Zach and I
19
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did a video where we talked about
our writing process. Um. And now
20
00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:26.239
that the book, My book,
is coming out and Zach has published two
21
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books and has more coming, we
wanted to do a follow up to that
22
00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.359
first writing episode, Um, to
talk about how our processes have evolved and
23
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how we've been how we're feeling now
that we published books and we are publishing
24
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books and so on and so forth. Um. And I thought it was
25
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a really cool episode. Um.
You don't need to have watched the first
26
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version, even though I think it
is a good episode. Um. And
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if you listen to this and you
like it, talk to me and I'll
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go back and I'll turn the old
episode, the first episode, into a
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special podcast feed bonus for y'all.
Um. But just know that you'll get
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enjoyment out of this episode even if
you haven't seen the first one. Um.
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It's not necessary continuity, you know. Um. But, like I
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said, go to link tree,
slash stampers and Sam to pre order the
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book, Um, and I would
really appreciate that and I hope that you
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enjoy this here bonus feed podcast episode. Again, there's some mentions to visual
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concepts that you will not understand unless
you watch the feed on Youtube. So,
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if you have time and you want
to know what the hell we're talking
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about, go on Youtube and check
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would also be very cool and,
as always, I would like to remind
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you have a great life. Thank
you very much. I was not recording.
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It's a good thing that I figured
that out before. Oh, you
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didn't capture any of that, not
a single bit of it, man,
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we just lost a lot of good
pre role. We sure did. You
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can have nothing fucking Nice. Yeah, I'm just gonna scream into my book.
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Hello, friends, thank you for
joining me today, and I'm glad
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you did, because I've got something
pretty great for you, and that is
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a return to something that a little
discussion series. Now, Um, we
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did the first one last year and
that was that was because it released on
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my birthday. Oh Fuck, so
it's been. It's it's been a minutely
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to the first one. As you
can see, him here is Zack Um,
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and the topic of discussion is writing. Oh yes, specifically books,
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books, books, books, books, books, books, books, books,
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books, books. I want the
books, all the books, books
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for you, books for them.
I only have the one, but I
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got a stack out of the same
one. Fine, it doesn't matter,
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because you actually I want to start
this off with a great quote that at
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the Gal I'm talking to currently,
who is also an author. She sent
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me this today, monthly reminder.
Many people have a book in them,
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but it takes a special kind of
freak to leave the land of laziness across
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the planes of Prascination in security mountain
find the blade of no one made you
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do this and used to cut your
chest open and Yank that book out.
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And she was like this, this
is amazing, like, this is so
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true, and I was like yeah, like, that's awesome, group that.
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Yeah, there's a there's yeah,
there's a lot to that, because
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it's it's so, it's it's funny
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talked I talked about this Um in
the last one and I've talked about this
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with you before, with other people
before. But I I have always considered
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myself an idea person. Um,
I have a lot of ideas that potentially
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could pan into something, but for
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I was never able to follow through
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had before. So, Um,
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I can't do this for a long
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a lot of the reason why I
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rhythm in a system that worked for
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me, and part of that Um, part of that system was having an
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accountability body, which I don't.
I kind of talked to you about,
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Um, about the reasoning behind me
wanting you to read the book as I
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was going because so so, for
full disclosure, one of the reasons why,
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line and one of the reasons why
it kind of came together so quickly at
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the at the end was because,
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chapters like little blocks, the chapters
as I wrote them, um to like
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read and give me feedback and stuff
like that. And I think that's a
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that's a great system for me because
of the way that my brain operates,
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because I like, I um,
if I'm doing it for me, that's
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kind of that's a that's a that's
a fine motivator, but I often find
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that if I'm doing something just for
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like, I don't have as much
incentive to follow up, but if I
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give it to somebody else and they
have become invested in the thing now,
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I feel responsible to then provided them
with resolution because they are invested. And
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so it was this like weird tricks
that I played in my brain and I
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was like, well, ship Zach
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I have to do it, otherwise
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gotta write it like it's this whole
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with myself. So, well,
listen, that's it. That's it.
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Hey, it's a brilliant system,
especially because it was able to get you
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to you know, to get you
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that book fucking Quick Dude. Um, you wrote on yielding in like lightning
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speed compared to how long it took
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because, look, it took about
it took about two it took a little
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bit more than two years for me
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also from and you had a whole
struct you know, it to restructure the
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whole format at one point because for
those who don't know which, if you
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haven't watched in the first writing episode, you actually absolutely should, if anything,
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just to also I think it'd be
fun to watch these side by side
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or what, after how much we
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in yielding was originally going to be
an audio drama that slash podcast Sam was
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gonna release. Um. But it
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started giving me those, because he
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and you know, I blow through
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him at work when I had nothing
to do, and so then I'd be
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sitting there, like you'll get any
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to wait like a well, because
it um, that's that's true. Because,
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yeah, it was an audio drama. So like if you read,
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like if you get the book and
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chunk. I think like the first
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but like in a different form,
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then evolve into an audio drama and
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to be read that way. And, Um so not only did I after
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through the process, I took fifteen
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aren't like short chapters by themselves,
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to forty five minute long experiences cut, had to find paces where they would
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cut naturally and then took them from
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script format to that a traditional novel
format, and then had to then throw
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them back into the blender, go
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they made sense and add all of
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in a in a script, you
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can describe a scene in a certain
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because the listener or the person consuming
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going to see a description. It's
stage direction, and so you can write
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that anyway that makes sense. But
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novel, the description has to be
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an audience that is then consuming it. And so it was like I had
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to flip my brain completely and then
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writing the book, when I went
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like a ton of rewrites on like the
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first fifteen chapters, because I needed
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different. I had all I like, even in that short amount of time,
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like my writing style had changed and
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it was, because it was already
at a disadvantage and there was something that
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you had. You would call it
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of giving you my notes near the
end, and I think I think it
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might have been after I finished the
book two and you would started doing your
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line and to that point, Um, because I remember specifically going, yeah,
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I've got to go back and rework
at the beginning, because actually I
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remember exactly what it was. It
was when I was walking to the supermarket.
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We were talking on the phone.
Um, that's right, yeah,
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and uh, and you were saying
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I said it's not something really to
worry about, because a lot of writers
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ship has happened to me. You
know, you sort of as you finally
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get in your groove and develop your
voice and all that. You know,
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your story will almost evolve naturally with
you, especially for your first project or
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whatever. Like I I think that
there are certain things that change as the
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modern mercenary series goes on. You
know where I've sort of changed and developed
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things and and like this really works
to me and this doesn't work for me,
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and people enjoy this, people don't
really enjoy that, and so I'll
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tailor that a little bit as well. And I think that's the kind of
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the advantage of the fact is you
have, you have now multiple books out
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and in the time that because I've
seen your fucking web of web of branching
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paths and ship that you that you
are doing for your books. So,
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Um, you you put out in
the time because was deception. No,
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deception was was not out when we
had the last closet. So in the
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time between when we UM, when
we last had a video like this,
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deception came out, which was the
first book in the modern mercenary Thrillers Trilogy,
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and then wet work also came out, which is the sequel. Um,
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and then you also finished, Um, you finished all in, which
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is the third book in the trilogy. You wrote Casadors, which is the
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first book in the shared world,
the bottom or scary shared world, and
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then you finished occupants, which is
your sci fi horror novel. So you've
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done a lot of writing, if
to put it as an understatement, and
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you're I'm certain you're onto your next
thing already, whatever you're writing next,
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which is actually the it's the it's
a sequel, but not a direct sequel
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to occupant. It's just in the
same universe. Yes, UM, which
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I've read a little snippet of that, haven't I did you send me?
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You sent me something. I either
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cyberpunk book. Um, you sent
me, you did. I think you
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sent me both, because I remember
reading. I remember reading like a sci
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Fi thing that was not occupant,
and they were going to like like yes,
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yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, and I and
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I also wrote the aliens book,
that's right, which I'm still going to
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hear back from Titan on. Yeah, so you've been doing a lot of
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writing and like you like how because
because I think, like with me,
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I had I finished, I finished
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on to writing the sequel, Um, which I'll just do a little bit
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of a. Let's do a little
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it's it's it's I'm only two chapters
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I'm quite enjoying it, um so, and I'm certainly as I write
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rebellion. Um It will. My
style will evolve, like you know,
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as it as as it does,
with you having finished two that are now
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out into the world and then having
the benefit of the feedback that you've gotten
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from those and then going into finishing
these three that you know. You know
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that. You just show that I
have also have sitting here, Um uh,
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and then into writing other stuff.
How has your process kind of evolved,
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because I I through the process of
writing and yielding, I've developed my
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process and come to a come to
a a place of, you know,
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comfort with how I do things.
How? How compared to how you started?
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I mean I even started, but
compared to how you finished deception to
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now, how has that evolved?
Um So, the core of it,
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with like the descriptions and all that, is basically the same word. As
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I'm writing, I'm playing the movie
in my head and that's what I'm pulling,
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you know, I'm pulling snippets from
that you projection in my head to
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put on the page. But as
for like the actual writing itself, Um,
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I've I've found myself sort of trying
to give give more description without as
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much flowery language Um, which I
think pays itself, you know, plays
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itself well in the and the sort
of environment that I you know that my
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stories are set in Um. But
the biggest thing, honestly, that's that's
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change. Is just I'm no longer
younger, I'm no longer trying to find
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a voice by emulating different people who
whom I enjoy or have enjoyed their work
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in the past. Um Guys like
you know, obviously Tom Clancy's the big
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one, which actually lessio paid me
a pretty good, pretty good compliment with
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that when he read he actually just
finished reading occupant. Um. Yeah,
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and so I'll say if he all
of the positive like affirmations to gave you
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by occupant, I will confirm because
I was talking too, because he got
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his copy of unyielding. He said, okay, I'll read that once I'm
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finished with occupant, and I was
like, because I haven't had a chance
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to read document. I want to. I want to actually I want to
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sit down and read deception or not
wet work before I jump into occupant.
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how is that? And he goes it's
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pretty good. Yeah, it was. It was nice to know that my
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first foray into uh, science fiction
and horror was it a complete crash and
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burn. But Um, where was
I going with that? Oh, yeah,
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so, so, when I first
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the final rewrites for deception, it
was right around late Um, actually,
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I rewrote it completely in twenty after
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was like that I need to do
line edits and actually clean some of this
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up. But I found myself emulating
certain authors who have also do military thrillers,
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whom, some of them, are
still very good. Others, I
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think, have fallen, fallen off, falling from grace and are more worried
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about writing things that will just get
them brand deals and things like that.
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names, I don't want to cast any
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shade, Um, but as I've
as I've gotten older over these last two
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years and mature, it is both
that a reader and a writer. Um,
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I've gotten away from being like,
well, these guys do it this
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way and they're real successful, so
let me do it like that. Two
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okay. That's the foundation on which
it was built, and now, much
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like anything else in life, I'm
going to cut away the things I don't
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like, for I don't think work
for me. You're going to add my
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own flare to it, throw it
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know what? If if they like
you, great, not, well,
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I like it and I'm still in
the minority of people who have actually wanted
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to write the book. So screw
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very true. It takes a lot. It's a lot to kind of put
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yourself I remember. I remember the
moment Um, and I don't want to
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quite leave the topic of m of
like process just yet, but like,
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I still remember the moment when I, like, I like, posted that
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first social media post about the fact
that it exists, like the number of
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people. I did not tell a
lot of people that I was writing a
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book, like at all. There's
a there's a solid chunk of people like
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you and Cole Alessio Um Um,
and just like there's a there's a handful
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of people that did know but,
like a lot of people, didn't like
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close people did. My parents didn't
know writing. Like it was like a
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lot of a lot. Like it
was. It was pretty nervous. Had
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it all. Had All timmy right
there. React when Oh st tim he
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was like it's like, when did
you write a book? A little bit
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ago, I got one for you. Have you already said it to him?
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Are you gonna give you to him
to go? When I'M gonna give
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him? Give it to him directly
when I get one of these. One
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of these guys here is uh is, one of the someone that stacks Um
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I've got. I've got one person
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it to and then three people that
I'm giving it to when I go back
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to Ohio. That yeah, I
feel bad that I don't have yours like
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cute up ready to go. It's
currently in my really I bought. I
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bought a special tope that like Kid's, you know, sealed and all that,
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and I wrapped all the books I
through silica pack gets in there,
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so they're good to go. You
know, they'll they'll be safe all I'm
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gone. Yeah, Um. The
other thing about my process and how it
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evolved was, um, on top
of the whole, like I need somebody
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who's account who who can keep me
accountable, even internally, because I knew,
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because I knew, like I wasn't
gonna like rely on you to be
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like hey, you gotta hustle and
do this, that that would not be
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fair. I needed to come up
with like a pacing and like a discipline,
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otherwise it wouldn't pull together the way
that I wanted. But, um,
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one of the things that I changed
with it myself was the the not
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making myself feel guilty for taking breaks. Um, because I would take,
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like sometimes I would take like a
three week break between like I'm in one
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of those breaks short now for my
current project, and I think that's super
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important. Um, but pleasetend.
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is, I think because, like
with anything, like you can burn out,
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even if you love what you're doing. Like that's why I'm not like
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I I think that you should enjoy, like what you do for a living,
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but, like, I don't know, maybe you should have something else
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as well so that you don't get
completely burned out because, like they say,
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like do the thing you love and
you'll never work a day in your
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life. But that's fucking bullshit.
Oh Yeah, Oh my God, that's
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why you like. You know,
I always get the question all the time
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once people find out that I'm an
author and all that. So like,
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Oh, like, are you trying
to do that full time? I'm like,
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fucking no. You're like why not? I'm like, because I would
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hate it if, like, if, if this is all, if this
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is what I had to do to
put food on my table and forgetting money
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in my bank account, I would
hate it because I'd be stressed, you
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know, it wouldn't be fun for
me anymore. I wouldn't be I wouldn't
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be writing things that I enjoy and
think that other people enjoy. I would
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basically I would end up writing fucking
romance novels because I know they would sell.
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I know they would sell like hotcakes, you know, because they're in
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demand, and it wouldn't be something
I'd be able to put my passion into
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other than the one I have planned, which is a romance comedy, which
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is just gonna be a hallmark movie
dial up to eleven, and it's a
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Christmas one too. I want you
to guess the title, because you named
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it already. You gave me the
name for it when around Christmas time.
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What did that? Was it during
the midcast with Alesia? Oh, man,
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I don't remember, I don't remember. It's the title of the PODCAST.
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Oh, Hashtag Mary the moment.
That's phenomenal. Oh my God,
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that's amazing, because I said I
was like what am I gonna call this
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fucking thing? And I because I
described the scene and that that's going to
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be in the book where the Guy
Shows up and he's carrying Christmas tree over
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one was landeling soup to the orphans
with the other, and I was like,
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I'll just call it fucking Hashtag May. At the moment gotta be great,
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beautiful. I love that. Well, the whole philosophy too, goes
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back, though, to like you. Even you even mentioned it about how,
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like, a lot of the like, a lot of the authors that
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you, like, used to model
yourself off of, have kind of changed
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to this like we have to get
the brand deal, we have to do
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the everything, and it becomes one
of those things where it's like, if
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you're so concerned. That's the other
reason why, like, I like a
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lot of the youtube channels that Um, that I like, Um have changed
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a lot. Some of the ones
that we enjoyed, like you know that
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together, which again I won't I
won't name names there, but like a
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lot of them have changed to that
kind of like they're chasing, they're chasing
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the right, right, right,
and I do too to an extent,
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but it's just like, like I
don't let like, I don't let the
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Algorithm Stop You. Same fucking the
first minute of my baby, like things
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like that's the biggest thing is you. You haven't let it jeopardize your creatively
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take right, because I still do. I still do what I want,
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and so it's the same thing with
with writing, because, like, if
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you, if you, because that's
the thing I would I would hate to
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like, I would hate to be
a full time youtuber. That sounds miserable,
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you know, especially when you like
hear like you know, like when
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we joked about, like oh,
how cool would be to have like the
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three of us in like a content
house, and then you watch like things
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about content house, you're like what
a fucking nightmare that would be. We
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would fucking murder each other, almost
guaranteed, literally, you mean cold would
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murder each other and we'd have the
instruments to do so in the house.
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I'd grab my Tom Hog what have
packed up already? So yeah, so
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it's just like I people have asked
me, Um, like which one?
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Because because I because it's on Amazon
for Pretor v Kindle, which is very
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weird that Amazon doesn't let you make
physical copies. I don't know why.
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I'm hoping they're gonna adjust that soon
because it's really annoying, although it is
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kind of Nice then once you look
in your analytics and there's a big fucking
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spike in sales from data releases,
that is pretty nice. I it was.
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So I had a panic moment.
Thankfully, my cover wasn't formatic properly.
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I pressed the publish but yeah,
I know you gotta, you gotta
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do save. I didn't, I
wasn't. It was like late and I
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wasn't thinking about I was like Oh, funk, oh, it's interview with
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interview, but it's like I gotta
be like, unless anyone's looking at it,
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you can just retract it, right, which was fine, but like
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I had like formatting issues with my
cover and I had to go back and
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change anyway. So I was like, we can't publish your book because of
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this, and I was like thank
I hate that. Oh there's, there's
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it doesn't tell you either. It's
Oh, there's just an object that's within
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point zero four millimeters of the it's
like, fucking come on, man,
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work with me this. Give me
something. The UH does it all says
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Amazon. Does KTP also like take
forever for you to bring up the previews?
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It depends on the day. I've
had ones where they're like in two
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minutes it loads up and I had
one when I was formatting occupant for this
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size. Uh, I think it's
four point to five by six point seven
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or whatever. So it's not a
standard standard size. Literally, it took
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like two hours before find to like
restarted multiple times. It just Um.
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But yeah, so it's on Amazon
under kindle right now and it's on Barnes
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and noble for Nook and hardcover and
paperback, and I've had people ask me
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which one gives you more money.
I was like, I don't Um,
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whicheveryone, whicheveryone floats your about because
it's like I think Barnes and nobles,
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like paper, is a little bit
better like quality. So I guess if
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you care about that, do that. If you don't, if you just
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want to kindle like dude, like
it doesn't matter to me exact reaction multiple
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times right. The important thing to
me is that, like, I want
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it's out there and I want people
to then now experience it. So how
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you like? How it's the same
price on either one. So just grab
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it. You know, I always
tell people. I'm like by the I
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tell them by the paperback, and
they're like why? I'm like so I
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excigned it for you one day.
Yeah, like, I think. I
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think after I've released the after I
dropped the price and I and I clicked
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expanded distribution for deception, I think. I think like thirty nine cents per
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copy sold or something right, like
it's not like yeah, and I think.
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I think you get a I think
because of the quality. Also get
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like a smaller margin on Barnes and
noble compared to Amazon. But like I
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literally don't care because, because,
because, like, because, like there's
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something cool. Like, I'm gonna
say this now. I love the books.
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Um, I feel a lot of
like a lot of writers and readers
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like really have a thing against e
books. Um, for some reason,
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because it's like it's the feeling,
the feeling of that. Yes, yeah,
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so I've got my kindle her.
I probably will take paperback or art
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back every day. But the convenience
of this thing, especially when travel,
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convenient when you're traveling, like if
you if you live in a place where
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you don't have space for books,
like it's it's so convenient. Six months
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ago, I need to plug it
in at some point, but I but
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I will say there is something to
the idea that like, I wrote a
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thing and somebody is physically holding my
words in their hands and that's really cool.
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And so where I where I'm like
it's like, look, I would
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encourage you to go grab it from
Martine because you can pre order the physical
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copies there and you'll be able to
get the physical copies on Amazon eventually.
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But if you if you want to, if you want to have it when
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it comes out, go to Barnes
and nobles, like that's that's my suggestion
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to you. So it's just like
that. That's you know, that's uh,
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that's my measure. It's just like
do you want to read it?
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Good, go wherever you want,
I don't care, like it's that's just
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that's my goal. And then I
get people who are like, Oh,
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you know, I'm sorry, man, but I don't. I don't really
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do the reading thing, I do
the do the audiobook things. So I'm
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gonna wait till audio and I'm like, dude, that's fine, like whatever
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floats your boat. You know,
I'm not. I'm not offended that you
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haven't bought it yet. You know, like I give these guys are like,
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Oh, you know, it's it's
in my car, but I'm waiting
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until the next pay period. It's
like to eat waiting five pay periods.
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Just the fact that you want to
buy it is what matters to me.
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Yeah, the intention is like incredible. It's just it's just like the fact
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that anybody wants to buy it at
all is just is like a complete like
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like you, like you call my
parents could have bought this book and I
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would have considered myself successful. You
know what I mean, like it like
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because I did it, I did
this thing and that's that's what was important.
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Well, and to go back to
to go back to that saying or
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what we talked about earlier. That's
the biggest thing is, you know,
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everyone in their mother at some point
goes, I should write a book.
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Oh, I've got a great book
idea, but it's like a percent of
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a percent of people who actually go
through with it, who actually go through
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and write it out, and then
it's an even smaller fraction people who actually
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then go through the process, whether
it be self publishing or traditional actually put
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their work out the MM HMM.
Yeah, which is yeah, because it's
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it's like it's an entire because,
like when you write a book, even
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if, like, like, like
the experience, like the experiences are yielding,
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is not something that I can apply
to my everyday life, you know,
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like that's but, but, like, but, like, even so,
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I'm in this book. I put
myself in there, like like giving
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this book, giving a book that
you have written to the world, whether
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it's fiction or not, giving something
like this to the world to then read
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its tantumount to like publishing one of
your therapy sessions, pretty much in a
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way, because it's just like there's
so much personality in this book that's like
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me, that it's just like it's
a it's a window into my whole everything,
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and so like, like that's the
challenging part. It's like the publishing
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and the sales, like the sales
and worried about the sales, is not
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the challenging part to me. It's
the idea that I now have put this
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therapy session that's like four hunter something
page therapy session out into the world for
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people to Ben just just consumed.
Well, that's and that's a that sort
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of seguates me into a great a
great point about why why I enjoyed writing
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and then why why I write so
much as I do, is because it
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is therapeutic for me. It's,
you know, I got real big into
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the concept of therapy over the last
basically eight months now. And Yeah,
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between writing and my war Hammership,
which is all over there, Um,
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you know, that's I'm able to
just zen out, whether I'm getting lost
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in a world of my own creation
or I'm listening to an audio look,
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00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.119
I'm building and painting. It's it's
great, but that's that's why I love
444
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.039
writing so much and why, outside
of trying to get picked up for things
445
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.960
like the aliens book or the War
Hammer novels that I have ideas for other
446
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.200
than that, where you kind of
have to go through a traditional publisher because
447
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.799
someone else owns the I p.
I'm going to self publish everything because it's
448
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:44.519
my creer. I refuse, with
the exception of those, just because I'm
449
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:50.720
I'm willing to I'm willing to take
the loss on creativity a little bit two
450
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.400
to get my name into fandoms that
I love. Mum, well, that's
451
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.960
the key thing, is that you
did it because you love the thing that
452
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.680
you're writing about. Oh Yeah,
actually, you know. Yeah, so
453
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.839
you're not thinking about like you're not
thinking about that, you're thinking about like
454
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.119
what's a cool thing that I like, that I would want to expand the
455
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.799
world out. And then, which
is exactly different beast than yeah, because
456
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.359
I refused to basically refused to like
we were talking about, you know,
457
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:25.640
chase the algorithm or you know.
So that the author that I liked,
458
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.559
who is I've since fallen out of
linking Um, in his last book,
459
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:38.599
he would like create these just these
conversations to ham fist in product placement on
460
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.440
certain things, and it's just it
wasn't natural, it didn't flow and it
461
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.400
was clearly like Oh, ship,
I forgot to talk about ex coffee company.
462
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.319
I'm trying really hard not to fucking
like you know, name name brands,
463
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:58.200
you know, or ex lifule or
whatever. Oh well, don't you
464
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.680
guys drink good coffee here? No, not really. All contact with my
465
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.440
friends at generic fucking coffee. It's
like, Oh, like, it's just
466
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.519
like. It made me want to
turn off the audiobook. Yeah, if
467
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:12.280
I was reading it, like to
skip through, you know, like a
468
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.920
spotify ad in the middle of your
book, most man like, you know.
469
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.159
And then the same author, he
recently had his first book turned into
470
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.519
an Amazon series, which was not
a very good, faithful adaptation. And
471
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.960
you're narrowing it downs act because,
because there are multiple series that have come
472
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.639
out this year. So there's also
one who edited Amazon series come out.
473
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.719
That was a fucking awesome adaptation of
a book that I didn't even really enjoy.
474
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:43.440
So you know, Games set match
Internet people trying to figure out which
475
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:50.239
one is which. That does that
doesn't gear with my gears. That it
476
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.880
really makes me want to take a
sip of my Canada drive gingerrail with while
477
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.360
you're doing that, I think I'm
gonna have a sip of my Zvia Zero
478
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.760
Calori Soda, Creamy Roupie, or
maybe with Stevia, extra zero calorieszero sugar,
479
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:10.079
same great taste. You love to
see it and you blew it back
480
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:16.199
to the episode. I hadn't I
had the wildest dream, had a terrible
481
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:24.840
dream. You were there and you
were there and there it was. When
482
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:35.960
when you drinks in your dreams,
you drink Sev in real life. This
483
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:43.320
isn't the game, and Jesus,
I even get back on track after that.
484
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.719
But yeah, so that's so.
That's the that's the biggest reason why
485
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:52.039
I will other than those few examples, is Uh is, I will always
486
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:53.840
you know self. PIC was that, and it's also nice to know that
487
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.920
I'm on the copyright. So when
the time comes in, there like we
488
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.800
want to make your thing into a
series, and that okay, here's all
489
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.840
my fucking stipulations about how I'm going
to be involved in the whole process.
490
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.000
Or you can add four more Zeros
to the end of that check. You're
491
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.920
going to change the name of its
title and you're going to change the name
492
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:19.000
of the main characters and you can
do whatever the fuck you want. That's
493
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.360
fair. It's one of those things
where, yeah, I do like owning
494
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.800
the copyright if I like, if
I could like, if a publishing house
495
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:30.840
that came to me and was like
we want to publish like your next thing
496
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:36.679
and like there's a stipulation that worked
out that made sense, I would do
497
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.159
it. But yeah, well,
it's it's just it's just easy to self
498
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.559
published. Like. Well, that
too, it's it's easier. It gives
499
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.920
you, it gives you so much
more creative freedom. Like I um,
500
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:51.840
I don't think I showed you it
yet. I did a I did a
501
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:57.440
test commission for the artists who I
was considering doing the art rockupant, and
502
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.960
she fucking knocked it out of the
water because I I um, I'm basically
503
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.039
for occupant. I was originally going
to do sort of like the generic like,
504
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.280
oh, it would be like a
reflection in the eye, maybe,
505
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.800
like a silhouette of the creature or
a starship against the starescape or stuff like
506
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.280
that. And then I'm I've really
gotten back into reading like those old like
507
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.440
sixties, seventies, eighties pulp like
dime store novels. And remember you told
508
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.960
me about, like you told me
about this concept and and well, here,
509
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:28.679
fuck it, I'll just send it
to you for a quick so you
510
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.639
can see it. Just the concept
to one. Um. What's wrong with
511
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.920
reflections? And I exactly. It's
not for my story. There's nothing wrong
512
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.559
for your story. I know.
fucking call me out like this. Come
513
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.639
on, man, that's important.
It's symbolished. This is fucking entrapment.
514
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:54.719
I don't appreciate this. She managed
to combine that like seventies style with almost
515
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.320
that nineties pulp comic style that I
showed you from that one story form troopers
516
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.000
comic and and she knocked out of
the park for for how you did it.
517
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.039
So I've got to take the reference. Obviously got to take the reference
518
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.639
photo of like me wearing the stuff
that Carter wears, and then I'm gonna
519
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.159
like composite it all together. Yeah, if you if you want to throw
520
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.239
it up. That's that's fucking she
killed it. So I'm like, yeah,
521
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.440
that's who I'm gonna go and send
me, send me her name so
522
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.280
I can put that on the screen. Yes, I will do that after
523
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:30.360
I don't feel like going through my
my bookmarks right now. Uh. But
524
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.400
so I wanted to go with that
that almost like pulpy but very colorful and
525
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.800
kind of realistic but still already style, because I figured people would be like,
526
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.719
well, what's that? You know, maybe it's a fun Oh no,
527
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:51.000
it's not. A Oh my God. That would be the I might
528
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.599
make a Tiktok just for just for
that, where it would be like you
529
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.360
know, occupant with the funk like
and nothing can go wrong. Oh,
530
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:08.480
no, I don't know if you've
seen the audio with that. That'd be
531
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.760
a good first one, for sure. Yeah, I might do that.
532
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:19.239
Get you into the ecosystem. Finally, Um, the other so another thing
533
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.119
too that I going back to,
like process and stuff like that. There
534
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:29.239
were I also Um, there was
one other thing that changed as I like
535
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:37.599
evolved in my writing. Is that
what SAM's evolving? Do? Do?
536
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:43.719
Do? Do Do? Do you
upset? A pokemon crystal coming to you
537
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:52.079
soon? Um? Um, no, it's that I um because you so
538
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.400
you remember. We because I did. I went back and I we watched
539
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.039
the first episode that we did before
we did this, like maybe like a
540
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.719
weekend a half ago. I watched
and, Um, one of the things
541
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:10.559
that I mentioned was that, Um, I I like to write the big
542
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:16.800
set pieces first and then I write
the rest of the story around it.
543
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:23.000
Um, because that's like more exciting
to me. Um. Don't do that
544
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.960
anymore, really, no, I
don't. Um. I don't jump around
545
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.039
a lot anymore. Um, because
it used to be like, Oh,
546
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:37.199
I have a great idea for like
chapter ten, but I'm on chapter two.
547
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:38.760
Better go write chapter ten. And
then go back to chather and like
548
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.039
I don't do that anymore. I'm
more I I write like I write like
549
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.519
front back now and it's just like, and I don't know what changed,
550
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.559
if I have like a really good
idea for a scene and like I know
551
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.559
that like it's not going to be
the same if I don't get it out
552
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.960
now, I'll go right that scene
and put it where it needs to go
553
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.079
and then come back to it later. But for the most part I just
554
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.239
kind of rite. I write linear
linearly now, which I don't know when
555
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.199
that changed, but probably probably just
once you really found your group and all
556
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.800
that. Yeah. So then,
Mike, because there's one one time where
557
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.320
I sort of recommended you didn't do
that. It was a couple of months
558
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.559
ago, and that a little bit
of a little bit a slump, and
559
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.360
I make it and you were like, I'm just so emotional, and I
560
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.559
was like, because I remember you
saying like I'm I'm gonna slump and I
561
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.320
can't really write it right now and
not feeling man, I was like you
562
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.760
any chapters that are like super emotional, where your characters kind of feeling how
563
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.119
you are, and you were like, Oh yeah, and then I think
564
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.079
you went and did it right.
Yeah, and I think you know.
565
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:44.519
I think you know exactly that.
I I I was reading it and I
566
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:49.079
was like the thing this is,
this is this is where the advice came
567
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.800
in. I see, because I've
I've done that as well with certain things.
568
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.559
Um Ship. Basically I spawned the
whole book idea going off of emotions
569
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.360
and all that, the cyber good
idea, um, because I had just
570
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.199
a couple of lines written in the
on the notespage of wod no, this
571
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.480
would be kind of neat. And
then after my break up last year and
572
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:14.079
all that, when I was just
fucking miserable, I was like I need
573
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.760
something, and so I was like, well, this is probably about how
574
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.199
this character would feel, like one
of the main I guess he's the main
575
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.599
character, but there's like a bunch
of like secondary that are right up there
576
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.800
with him. This one, it
was like, I'm pretty sure this is
577
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.280
how he would feel. I'd succe
just the bull pointing this bitch out,
578
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.880
and it helped a lot. MM
HMM. And that's the thing. That's
579
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.559
the thing too, is just like
even just getting the idea out there in
580
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:49.719
a tangible way like really helps.
Like quite a bit, and so it's
581
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.719
it's like it's because I've done that
with with a lot of stuff too,
582
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.719
like even in the days before I
like I would consider like I would,
583
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:02.280
I became a published writer, like
sometimes, even if I didn't intend to
584
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.239
do anything with it, just the
idea of like spilling ideas out onto a
585
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:13.239
page of some kind is therapeutic.
Yeah, and that's Um well, and
586
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.599
the great thing too, is you
know you can. I mean that happened
587
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.679
with persona on grata. I wrote
three chapters of that and like November,
588
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.159
I didn't know what to do.
It is. So I shelved it and
589
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.719
then I came back to it when
I was going for my whole rotc thing
590
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.559
in early and it was like,
well, I've got these three chapters,
591
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.719
let me rewrite them now that I'm
a bit older and use those as a
592
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.880
baseboard. And that was there was
no planning persona grata. It was just
593
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:45.519
I wrote, I wrote, I
wrote, I wrote, until I had
594
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:52.000
a fucking book, you know,
which I'm rewriting it this one last fucking
595
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.159
time and then I'm putting it out. I've done I written was fucking book
596
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.920
like Twelve Times, so many times, so it's it's so which is insane
597
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.400
to me because, like persona on
Grod it was like the first book I
598
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:15.599
knew you were writing and you have
now completed six that aren't persona. Well,
599
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.159
especially now because this final rewuine I'm
adding, I'm adding a whole fucking
600
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:27.639
extra c storyline that involves like the
Hudson Valley Mafia and ship like that.
601
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.960
Yeah, we're like I sort of
made like allusions to it in previous I'm
602
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.360
like, oh no, I'm gonna
add this because it's because it'll pay off.
603
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:42.679
It'll make the final sort of events
pay off even more to follow this
604
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.519
character through these, you know,
this sort of like journey and growth from
605
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:51.280
the organization. And then things happen, you know. So you know,
606
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:52.880
they were sort of like Oh,
ship moments of the original draft and that
607
00:44:52.880 --> 00:45:00.000
would weld be like Oh fuck.
Um. Happened to me too, like
608
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.119
I went back. There is UM. There is this idea that I had
609
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.039
for a book that I found like
that. You know about this that I
610
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:13.960
found the deep the details of and
reworked a little bit, and now that's
611
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:20.360
gonna be like my first thing outside
of Um, like the unyielding universe Um
612
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.320
and I'm really excited about like getting
into it because it's going it's it's gonna
613
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.199
be like a different format, a
different vibe completely, and I'm like,
614
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.760
I'm excited because I think it's a, I think it's a really cool premise
615
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:37.280
and B I love first off,
I love how you wrote unyielding. I'm
616
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.280
already loving how you're writing rebellion.
But I really love when I see an
617
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.480
author who I'm a big fan of
what they write and then they change genres
618
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.159
and they you know, there's a
whole different feeling. One of my favorite
619
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.679
examples of this is Karen Travis.
So I got introduced to her because she
620
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:59.920
wrote the Stall Wars Republic Amando series
back before it got all canonized, because
621
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:07.199
Disney's sucking awful Um. But then
later on she went to write a bunch
622
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:14.239
of the gears of war novels which
were like which were intermittent novels between the
623
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:20.119
Games. Yeah, totally different,
but both excellent, Um, and that's
624
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.519
why I was really excited to know, to get occupant out there, to
625
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.199
to sort of flex my career the
muscles. will be like yeah, this
626
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.079
is totally different. You know,
it's because to this point, like up
627
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.679
to the point where it will have
come out like it's military thrillers, ever,
628
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.960
but now it's like a horror,
sci fi horror thing which is completely
629
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.199
different. Yeah, yeah, with
there's touches of military stuff in there because
630
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:45.039
three of the characters have military backgrounds, but that's not the main focus of
631
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.519
it, like, you know,
like the other ones are, or eventually,
632
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.960
you know, I've got one.
I've got one planned. I full
633
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:57.599
pointed out one night actually like the
major and some of the minor stuff.
634
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:05.679
It's called home for Christmas us and
the elevator pitch is a it's it's a
635
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:12.639
Christmas story with signs, m h
Um, and that was because I read.
636
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.360
Wait, wait, wait, okay, hold on, stop, go
637
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.320
back. Say That again, because
I heard you and I was like yeah,
638
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.039
and I was like wait, no, tell me again. So it's
639
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.840
a Christmas story combined with signs and
like Shan. Okay, I thought I
640
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:32.880
heard that correctly. Okay, okay, yeah, well, you know,
641
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.320
a Missma, mixed Miss Smash,
Miss Smash, I don't know, of
642
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:43.239
signs. And the fourth time like
that style of like there's that sort of
643
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.800
like creepy investigative side of things,
but it turns out it's actually actually terrestrial.
644
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.280
So I'm I'm really excited to write
that. Um. And then,
645
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:53.880
of course, Hashtagger at the moment, that's just gonna be a blaster right
646
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.719
off. I thought probably write that
in a fucking weekend. Yeah, that's
647
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:05.400
gonna I don't know what that's gonna
be excited for it. Um. I've
648
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.400
actually had a couple of more ideas
that I'm like putting in the on the
649
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.840
on the burner for for stuff I
want to write soon. Um Uh.
650
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.880
The one that Um that I told
you about is like this. It's like
651
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.920
a virus outbreak story, but like
with a twist, and it's also combined
652
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:30.079
with like across country like trip story
as well, and it's kind of which
653
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.920
I really like as a as a
narrative device for delivering it, you know,
654
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.840
because it's it almost gives the characters
a tangible it gives the characters and
655
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:44.440
the reader's a tangible sense of progression
as it will go on. So I'm
656
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:52.599
excited about that one. I've got
a Um kind of a comedy Um is
657
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:59.639
it's hard to describe it. I
wanted to be funny. It's like the
658
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.800
stays, like the stakes of it
are serious. But it's funny because this,
659
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:10.360
like the main character, is this
like put upon like like like they's
660
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.880
just like put upon, like really
tired individual that like has been holding it
661
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.159
together for a very long time and
then ship starts to like ship starts to
662
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.079
break, but like cosmically like it's
like this. Yeah, like it's just
663
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.679
like weird, like cosmic steaks kind
of. I'll tell you more about it.
664
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.239
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um, but yeah, it's like this
665
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.559
thing. It's like I think you'll
do fun with that because you write comedy
666
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.039
well, because there when when there
are the bits of levity in unyielding and
667
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.000
so far even in rebellion, although
you should be the one in in rebellion
668
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.480
very early on when you first wrote
it, from the first chapters. Yeah,
669
00:49:51.920 --> 00:50:04.039
Terminator runs away. Um, but
that's out of context explanations. But
670
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:09.239
so you write comedy well, especially
that's sort of, you know, the
671
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.199
much needed levity after ship has gone
wrong. So I think I think you've
672
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.719
got the chops to be able to
take that instead of just like a snippet
673
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.239
or a couple of paragraphs, as
you've done, and I think you could
674
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.800
put that in the whole book.
I think you're more than you're more than
675
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:29.519
capable of doing that. Yeah,
it's because I wanted, because I wanted
676
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.079
like the idea behind I wanted to
be very like a reverend and kind of
677
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.559
like it knows what it's doing,
kind of a kind of a feel for
678
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.440
it. So I'll tell you more
about that one when before we're done.
679
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.320
But, Um, I'm really excited
about the stuff that I'm that I'm doing,
680
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.840
but then also, like you're saying
that about which thank you, by
681
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:51.800
the way. You say you're saying
that about like my writing still makes me.
682
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.840
It kind of makes me think about
like, because UN yielding and rebellion
683
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:02.960
are very much character pieces as much
as they're like the fantasy, the thriller
684
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:12.679
of the Action Um and I.
There's like a lot of important people in
685
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:20.719
those books and it's just like it's
it's uh that may or may not be
686
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:29.199
named after about Um and I've injured
and like I've introduced more like it's just
687
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.159
a whole, the whole thing I
wrote the actually, so I I take
688
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:36.920
it back. I did jump way
for because because I know how rebellion is
689
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.920
going to end. Obviously I've mapped
out all three of them Um pretty closely,
690
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:47.360
but I did like I had.
This will give you a window into
691
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.920
my soul. I was so excited
about it that I do like something the
692
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.840
kind of like the cut off,
the cliffhanger for the second book is like
693
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.719
kind of crazy. And so I
wrote the epilogue and I'm obviously going to
694
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:06.320
change it and tweak it as I
go, but the epilogue hinges on me
695
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.679
introducing a character earlier in the book
and I wrote the chapter where they are
696
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:20.800
introduced and I forgot to introduce from
find to the point I wanted to introduce
697
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.880
because I got so I got so
tired up riding the epilode and I thought
698
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.440
that I did and then I went
back and reread the chapter as like,
699
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.960
Oh, where is this person?
Actually, I did something soilar when I
700
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.440
was working on the aliens book where
I realized, like as I was reading
701
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.400
it, like up to that point
I'd like forgotten a character for like three
702
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.679
chapters and so they're investigating something and
the character shows up as like hey,
703
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:51.039
and I have one of the other
kids like Oh, ship, I forgot
704
00:52:51.079 --> 00:53:01.719
he was with us. It comes
back and it's amazing the stuff that like.
705
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.079
It's like it's a critical piece of
the puzzle of the book. I
706
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.039
just completely it's just like, are
you kidding me right now? I was
707
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.559
like ship, does this work here
with how I've written the rest of it,
708
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.719
because I like the rest of it. Yes, it does. Okay,
709
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.559
we're fine. I'm glad you're able
to recover that. God, I
710
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.519
was. Yeah, I was just
completely bit and that's a nothing. And
711
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.639
this is this is quickly turning into
me, you know, praising you was
712
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.920
a writer, which I'm perfectly okay
with. Is You. You wrote unyielding
713
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.400
in a very, very good way, and the fact that you know,
714
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.920
because it is a character piece and
the characters are all important. Um,
715
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.400
you know. Obviously that's sort of
goes with that saying. But then you
716
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:50.840
took it a step further by not
only making that known, but then making
717
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.000
me care about each and every character, to include some of the fucking bad
718
00:53:54.039 --> 00:54:00.800
guys who were complete bastards, but
they're also just as important. So so
719
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.079
it wasn't just like, you know, there were no throwaway characters. It
720
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.679
felt like, uh, you know, even even when there were some that
721
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:13.079
I had totally forgotten about in like
the break between and I was like wait,
722
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:19.480
who, and I feel like go
back because because the way you read
723
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.679
it. Because, yeah, exactly, that's that's not that's not a thing
724
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:23.920
on how you wrote it. That
was how I was reading it at the
725
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.599
time. Right. That is something
that I worried about a lot because that's
726
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.800
so so because I'm a terrible person. I've only read deception. I haven't
727
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.280
read wet work in or any of
the other three that. Oh No,
728
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.199
it's their books, man, reading
at your own pace, um, but
729
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:50.400
from when I read deception. Um, because let me, let me praise
730
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:57.840
you for Goddamn Second, damn it. Oh No, please stop. Because
731
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.199
the way that, because you have
in in the modern mercenary and trilogy,
732
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:06.320
you have Alex Morgan, have been
in your three main characters and you give
733
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:13.159
them like each perspective chapters where it's
from their perspective. They're off doing different
734
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.320
things. That then that that like
filter into the rest of the plot.
735
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.559
There's like their plots going on in
their flashbacks and stuff like that, and
736
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:27.960
I think that all three of them
are very well characterized like individuals. I
737
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.440
think that I think it is very
clear to me like who the kind of
738
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:36.840
like like jokester rogue of the Party
is, who's like the leader, like
739
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.840
it all. It's very clear to
me like you've done. You've you've made
740
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:45.800
some great characters and you've you've because
of your experiences and how you've taken those
741
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.320
and applied them to the book,
like you've you've given the kind of like
742
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.079
a very fleshed out, very fleshed
out view into that kind of world,
743
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:57.440
and I think you've done a very
good job. Um, because I said,
744
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.960
I said this and I did a
review on Amazon, I meant to
745
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.239
Reword I'm not a fan of military
thrillers and military novels, like I've never
746
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:08.199
I've tried, I've never really been
a fan. I really dig deception and
747
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:12.679
I dig the world with you built
and I like that's why I'm excited to
748
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.599
jump into the next one, because
I was, like, I was very
749
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.800
honest with myself when I went into
it. I was like I have to
750
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:23.840
read this book from the perspective of
somebody that, like, is into the
751
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:30.000
genre and give my feedback that way
because, like, I know it's going
752
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.679
to be a well written book,
but I don't know if I'm going to
753
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.639
enjoy it specifically. But I really, I really dug it well, I
754
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.079
I honestly, you know what's funny
is it's almost the it's almost the same
755
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.159
with with on you, because I
am not a big fantasy person like my
756
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.639
you know, I've never read tolkien
other than like the Hobbit. Um.
757
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.559
No, my my biggest fantasy things
were I read Aragon back in the day
758
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.239
and uh, and what the fun
was? It called Um Pendragon, which
759
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:06.880
was very Um. So I sort
of like alright, like, I'm not
760
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.800
a big Fan. But then when
you told me it was more low fantasy
761
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.559
and a little bit more and all
that, I was like all right,
762
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.280
you know, and obviously it was
going to read it anyway, Um,
763
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.280
you know, just to support you
as a friend. And Yeah, it's
764
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.159
well, same, same. Yeah, it was the same thing of you
765
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.800
know, let me go into this
with a different mind that I would normally
766
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:30.519
and knocked it out of the port. And same, same to you that
767
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.360
that was the thing, that the
genre that I would up coming up with
768
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.480
for inn yielding is urban fantasy thriller, which I think is perfect for it.
769
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:44.400
Yeah, Um, but all that
stuff that I said about your writing,
770
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.119
to say is that the way that
you have chosen to Um, to
771
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.400
do it is that you have perspective
chapters and you have your main characters each
772
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.679
have parts from their point of view, whereas the way that I've done,
773
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:02.440
I think I have like two chapters
from Natasha's perspective, Um, but the
774
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:07.360
book for the most part is aces
book. He is the main character,
775
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.639
Um, and so it follows his
perspective. So my worry was I have
776
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.519
from so at the beginning of the
book, I have, and I'm looking
777
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.000
at them right now, I have
their little portraits that Teo Alex said for
778
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.840
me, which are amazing. Um, I have nine characters, including ace,
779
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:32.400
the main character, to introduce to
the readers, and my big worry
780
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:37.760
about it was with more, with
more being introduced later. By the way,
781
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.480
I was like all those secondary characters, people that you have to read
782
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.840
the book to find out about exactly, and people who then become, it
783
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:52.320
more important in the second as well. Um, it's like my worry was
784
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:58.199
that I wasn't going to give each
of them enough time. And there are
785
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.960
character and there are characters that get
introduced close to the beginning that I feel
786
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.440
don't get a lot of time until
closer to the end of the book.
787
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:13.840
And so my worry was balanced and
like, are people going to care if
788
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.760
you don't get a lot of depth
out of like ex character before x point
789
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:23.400
of the book and like, Um, like the two characters, the two,
790
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.800
the two that I'm talking about specifically. So I'll just name them,
791
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.280
because it's fine, Um, people
are gonna read them anyway. So the
792
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:34.519
two characters I'm talking about specifically are
IRA and Barracuda, who I introduced towards
793
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.840
the beginning, and IRA was like
their radio contact. So IRAS around.
794
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.599
Racut is actually one of the ones
that I was like, wait a minute,
795
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:45.039
like is there was like longer breaks
and he doesn't show up for a
796
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:50.599
couple of chapters. So I was
like right, just just again the way
797
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:57.280
I was reading it, if you
read it all right. So I was
798
00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.760
sitting here and just like is this? Is this good? Is this fine?
799
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.000
I think. I think the balance
that I came up with was was
800
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.199
actually over specifically the Chapter I was
like, wait a minute, it was
801
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:14.199
the one before you introduced golden boy, which I still have ever thinking like
802
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:20.159
if he names this fucking thing after
like, I'm gonna fucking yell at him.
803
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:25.280
And thankfully you didn't. I got
close, I got real close,
804
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.639
but I reeled myself back. But
yeah, so even even those ones and
805
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:36.440
then you're more what I really liked
with certain characters. Do you care if
806
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.159
I name them or yeah, I
think what my favorite ones. You did
807
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:45.840
it that we're we're actually peggy.
And then the backstory for Carmichael and how
808
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.639
yeah, you introduced one in the
idea of one, and people, when
809
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.760
you read it, will know what
I mean with that Um, and then
810
01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:00.519
you just kind of bread crumbed it
throughout until the big reveal, and then
811
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.599
he dropped a few more breadcrumbs and
built on top of that. But it
812
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.199
was like, okay, we're learning
a little more about these characters. You
813
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.800
know, I also like their personalities. That think did funnies. Hell Um
814
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:14.880
especially is the one sort that grows
into his personality. And then I love
815
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:20.000
talking around this stuff. It makes
it sounds so excited, great and uh,
816
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:22.800
and then it's sort of like okay, we you know. Well,
817
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.760
what's the story of this? What's
the story of this naturally occurring exposition?
818
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.400
Oh, now I'm a thousand times
more invested in these characters that I already
819
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:38.800
cared about because I understand the tragedy
behind what happened. Yeah, yeah,
820
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:43.440
the one that you're talking about that
grows into his personality is maybe my favorite
821
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:49.400
character. He's he's a lot of
fun, especially especially the interaction between him
822
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.400
and Ace and the beginning of rebellion. Yeah, I wanted to like,
823
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:58.159
really really, like give him a
lot more personality as he went. Also,
824
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:00.239
just just so you know, because
like us a terminal earlier, but
825
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.079
literally I pictured it where they're talking
to talking that he's sort of standing,
826
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.480
there's stock still in. Blink,
blink, blink, and then just tase
827
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.039
off it or like, you know, it does even sort of like turn
828
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:14.719
and then just freaking turns and sprints, you know, and it's just sort
829
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:19.320
of like uh, and then once
you say I guarantee no promises or something
830
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:24.000
like yeah, because that because,
yeah, I'll sing. This is not
831
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:29.599
a spoiler, but he's like he's
so so, just like, in case
832
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:32.599
you're wondering, this is a robot
we're talking about. Yeah, yeah,
833
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:37.559
all right, and I know I
didn't know how far you want. He
834
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.360
gets introduced, but he gets introduced
very early in the first one and you
835
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.679
know he's a robot. So it's
not I'm not depressed about that. But
836
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.360
like his like one of the through
lines of the second book is that he
837
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:51.719
is not good with idioms and so
said, which I love for a robot
838
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.199
because it makes sense on so many
levels. Yeah, so he just says
839
01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.800
idioms that are completely asked backwards and
I try not to explain them so that
840
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:06.679
you, as a reader, can
be like what he did? You mean
841
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.960
to say this, and it was. That's a great approach. I love
842
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:15.280
that. And literally, like,
I think, aces around for most of
843
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:19.079
the Times he says them, and
so as just like out to work on
844
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.159
radiance man, like what are you
doing? That's like me with my stepmother,
845
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:28.119
how she like she gets, she
gets American sayings like right, she'd
846
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:31.239
be like a bird in the hand
is with two six dozen to the other
847
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.519
and I'm like, what did you
just say? All right, mom,
848
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:46.320
serious I am. The other thing, too, was Um characterizations. I
849
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:52.559
think we talked about this Um and
the last one about like representation for like
850
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:58.840
various groups in the stuff that you
make and like how you want to like
851
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.280
you want to introduce that stuff,
but like it not be like the complete,
852
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:05.960
unless it's unless it's a story about
that thing, to make it be
853
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:13.039
the the entire the character's whole deal. But I was going through and one
854
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.320
of the things that I was.
That was really important to me when I
855
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.400
was doing when I write just in
general, is, like I come from
856
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:24.800
a like a POC background, I
am queer, like there's a lot of
857
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:31.280
things and I wanted to make I
know, it's, you know, Um,
858
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:39.679
and I wanted to I wanted to
make sure that I introduced those things
859
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.440
into into the into the world.
Um, as far I was like like
860
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.840
race and stuff like that, I
didn't, like I have my head cannon
861
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.400
as to what I think the races
of the characters are, um, but
862
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:53.760
I left a lot of it to
the reader's imagination. So that like,
863
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.199
because the other thing that I'm a
fan of is the ability to put yourself
864
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:00.719
into a character. So, like, even if I haven't like described that,
865
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:06.840
Um, like x character is black
or x character is Asian or whatever.
866
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:12.679
Like if you are an Asian person, if you are a black person,
867
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.199
if you're a white person, with
anybody, you can put yourself into
868
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.559
ace's shoes and Um, ace,
Ace can be you. You know,
869
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.159
you know if he can be your
representation. Um. But the one thing
870
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:29.400
that I did want to do is
like put like I had a worry and
871
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:35.400
because there's not like any kind of
like explicit like queer representation in gun yielding
872
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.320
at all. And I was sitting
here I was just like, I talked
873
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:46.199
a big game about this ship didn't
do it. Um, I think you
874
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:49.960
left it open for a lot of
that stuff, which I well, please,
875
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.679
want. Well, I was gonna
say there's like so I did like
876
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.159
in rebellion, like there are some
stuff and it's not like it's one of
877
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:02.639
them is a little less subtle,
but it moves on pretty quickly, right.
878
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:08.079
And there's another one that's very like. That's very like undertone that if
879
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.639
you're not like like you could if
you read it and you read a line,
880
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:18.320
you're just like, is it probably
so? Um, uh. So
881
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.360
I wanted to add a little bit
more characterization as far as that was in
882
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.800
the second one, but I was
just like, I don't know why.
883
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.800
That was a big point of anxiety
for me when I was writing because like,
884
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.320
obviously, like, as someone who
has been vocal about that stuff and
885
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:36.599
that passed about like needing that stuff
and wanting that stuff, to then be
886
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:44.239
the person that doesn't specifically like do
that felt weird. Um. But I
887
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:48.280
also like I tried not to make
myself to like, like I tried not
888
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:54.000
to give myself too much grief over
it because, like this is how I
889
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:56.800
have to write this. I don't
think. I don't think you need to
890
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.639
give yourself any preef over it because
also, you know, yeah, you
891
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:05.960
maybe didn't, didn't explicitly say it, but let's you say you host an
892
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.800
event or something and people come and
ask for what it so what about x
893
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:14.519
character? You'd be like, yeah, they're they're queer, bisexual, whatever.
894
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.440
UH, why didn't you write it
out? I didn't really add to
895
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.840
the story, so I didn't have
to. Yeah, I think, and
896
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.480
I think ultimately that like I want. Another thing too, is that like
897
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.199
the people that are probably going to
see this video, also, like people
898
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.039
who are going to read the book
will likely, at some point, potentially
899
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.840
see this video as well, like, like it's important. Yeah, well,
900
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:42.760
because what did you read my about
the author page? Yes, I
901
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.280
just I put so, I put
my like social media, which includes the
902
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.559
Youtube Channel, Um uh, in
there, and so, you know,
903
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:55.000
maybe they'll dig into it whatever,
but I um like, Oh, you
904
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:57.639
know, what you want you should
do is you should put the Qr code
905
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.800
for it. Oh, yeah,
I should, because you can give it.
906
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:08.360
You can get them for free.
Yeah, yeah, I'll have a
907
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:13.039
good chrome extension, don't you?
This episode brought to you by honey,
908
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:20.199
sell your data for even more.
We Um. But no, it's just
909
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:24.439
it's one of those things where it's
just like I, like, I want
910
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.720
to do things. They're in service
to the story, but I also want
911
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:29.960
people to like know that I am
thinking about that. I want them to
912
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:35.640
be able to see themselves in the
characters and so, like, whatever you
913
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:40.439
think about, like a character for
unless I have explicitly stated it, like
914
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.439
go for it, man, like
if that's if that's your that's your bread
915
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.880
and butter, and that makes you
feel like go for it, I think.
916
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.520
I think that's honestly, I think
that's the best way to approach it.
917
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:55.039
Um. The other thing that I
wanted to bring up, because you
918
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.039
brought up how you sort of you
know, ace is sort of yeah,
919
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.840
he's Ace puddies also vague enough that
you know, you could put yourself issues,
920
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:06.920
was when, and I didn't realize
I did this, but Um,
921
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:13.479
yeah, because actually he would.
One Who mainly brought it up was that
922
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.920
I kind of did the same with
the main three in my books, and
923
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.640
that became more apparent when I did
that first sort of like Oh, who
924
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:26.199
you're and because you because you chose
Michael B Jordan's for Alex. so I
925
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.399
think it would be an awesome cast
if if I wasn't able to get Jensen
926
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:35.600
eackles Um and then, Um,
I feel terrible because I don't remember his
927
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:40.239
name, but the guy from get
out and he also played in Black Panther
928
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:47.319
and Cicario for for more that one, but one of your people, that's
929
01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:49.760
right. But yeah, someone,
someone picked him for Morgan. I was
930
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.000
like, that's a really good fucking
choice too, and he's a really great
931
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:58.319
act and Oh yeah, he's phenomenal
and but I thought it was interesting and
932
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.640
I because I didn't think in my
of mine, you know, Morgan or
933
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:09.199
Morgan analytics are like fucking waves.
Waits can be video is like a quarter
934
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:13.680
Cuban Um, you know, but
he is more so on the angle of
935
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:17.079
Saxon side in my head. Um, yeah, but I'm I'm glad that
936
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.520
I was able to write it in
a way that there's a variety and how
937
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:25.199
people picture them right. Well,
because that's the thing. Is like something
938
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:30.239
like that, like and again,
like, unless the story is about specifically,
939
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:31.520
like this is my culture, this
is my race, this is my
940
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.399
sexual like, unless the story is
like one of those stories, it's really
941
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:42.359
easy to take a character, even
if they are played as white in like
942
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:44.920
a book, or like black or
something like. It's really easy to take
943
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.279
a character and make them whatever you
want them to be. Like. Obviously
944
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.760
the thing that you can't change about
like your care like they are, like
945
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:54.319
they are like the two of them
at least are married, like. So
946
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.680
that's a built in relationship that has
to be there. But as far as
947
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.479
like what the those characters are making
me whoever. You know in my head
948
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.520
can in my head, can and
I know what they are. But listen,
949
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:11.760
if you know if a reader interprets
it one way. That's the beauty
950
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.079
of fucking reading is it's all subjective
and how you interpret it, what you
951
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:19.000
take away from it. You know, I forget what the there's a quote
952
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:23.439
out there work, but it's like
as soon as you put something out there,
953
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:29.800
you're your intended message no longer matters
because everyone's gonna interpret it in a
954
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.880
different way. Not that, not
that I really wrote any of my books
955
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.680
with a message. It was just
like I think this would be cool,
956
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:39.119
let me write it. You know, I don't. I don't set out
957
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.359
to write any of these with like
an overging message of like, by the
958
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.479
time they finished reading this, this
is how they should be feeling, because
959
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.960
it's probably not gonna happen. I
am cool because the same thing as like,
960
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:53.239
I also, like, obviously I
had commissioned, like, I'm not
961
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:55.000
gonna, I'm not gonna show the
art work. I think. I think
962
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:58.600
Teo Alex, Teo Alex or on
Instagram, will will likely share some of
963
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:02.960
them on, Um, his instagram
now that Um, the book's coming out,
964
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:06.399
because we talked about that. But
yeah, but that's like, this
965
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:10.239
is my head Canon, this is
what I've what I've kind of decided,
966
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.399
but I will say, like,
like I was thinking about, like,
967
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.000
like you've seen my very extensive cast
list of people that would cast in like
968
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:21.800
a movie, show whatever. Uh, there are two characters, the characters,
969
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:28.199
the characters that Um were named after, Zack and Cole, who also
970
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:34.199
have a very similar which perfectly.
You perfectly captured the Cole and Zach cattiness
971
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.000
and sort of like a fucking I
hate you, but I also love you.
972
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:45.159
Man. You know the like the
I've I've pictured like, oh well,
973
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.159
the Cole characters, Ethan Hawk and
the Zach Characters, Michael Shannon,
974
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:51.720
and I think, like I like
those are like that's my head. Like
975
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:56.439
I would I would love something like
that. But but like it doesn't that
976
01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:00.960
doesn't really matter in the end.
Like if you see Ethan Hawk in in
977
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:05.479
Uh d O, then so be
it. Like who do you see?
978
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:10.640
I want to know, like it's
cool. I want that's the thing whenever
979
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:17.039
I read it. Well, you
have extra context, Um, but well,
980
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:18.840
that's the thing of it too,
is like I was thinking about this
981
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:23.560
and I was like, I would
love, I would love to get to
982
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:29.399
a point where, like I'm like
the book is Pop. The book are
983
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.359
Popular Enough and I'm popular enough where
I can get cool Stan Art, but
984
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.920
like stop just short of like Tumbler
Shipping, like if I can like get
985
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:41.800
to that point, that would be
that would be good. I'm happy about
986
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.359
it. But I think, like
and again, if you getting to a
987
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:46.239
point where're talking about like casting for
like a TV show or something like,
988
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:53.800
your you your way beyond that point. So I guess, Hey, you
989
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:59.720
know what time will tell. Time
will tell Um. So I have a
990
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.359
question for you. Okay, tell
me. I was gonna I was gonna
991
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.680
say. What else should we tell? How other worldly did I feel that
992
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:12.720
first time that you got that first
author copy? My God, so I'll
993
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.239
pick up I'll pick up this copy
because this, this right here, specifically
994
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.039
is the first author copy. So
you can actually see the difference. This
995
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:23.479
is not this is my like proof
cover, this is the this is the
996
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.680
final cover. Um, so you
can kind of see the difference now.
997
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:31.800
It changed over time. This specifically
is the first copy of this book I
998
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.560
ever held in my hand and I
remember getting it, because I don't haven't
999
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:39.279
even have the description on the back, but I remember getting it and holding
1000
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:43.000
it and being like what the Funk, I'm just like flipping through. It's
1001
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.720
like there's words in here like these. It's not just there are words,
1002
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:50.319
these are my words on the words. Yeah, so, well, that's
1003
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:51.720
the things that I got. I
was like, it's not just like a
1004
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.920
blank notebook of nothing like it's these
are the words that I wrote. And
1005
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.479
here I remember flipping like somewhere in
the middle. I don't know if there
1006
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:02.039
was, and I just I was
I just went it's like just smell the
1007
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.960
fresh book. Smell that like my
words put out there, and it's just
1008
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:11.760
like that it was. It was
like I felt it's hard to explain how
1009
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.039
I felt, but I felt like
I don't know, I didn't I feel
1010
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:17.880
like I was having almost an out
of body experience, that this doesn't this,
1011
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:23.159
this isn't real, this isn't right. It's funny because, as you
1012
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.119
know, once you get into the
writing and all that, because when you
1013
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:30.359
first started you're like, fucking publishing, that's years down the road, all,
1014
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.920
y'all, I'll be sixty before that
happens, and then once you finally
1015
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.680
put in all the work, for
all the all the writing and the editing
1016
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:41.159
and the vision and all that,
you hold that first copy for the very
1017
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:46.159
first time, it's like what,
like I did it, that's that's what
1018
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:50.039
it feels like. It's like I
did it the I think what's going to
1019
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:58.399
come very close to that for you
is when you get that first picture from
1020
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:03.119
someone who has ordered it and they
send me that Selfie of them holding it
1021
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:10.319
and they'd be like what the fuck, like this is amazing because because it's
1022
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:15.119
it's unlike anything that I had ever
felt when it finally add to me.
1023
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.359
I was gonna ask, like when
you first, when you first held deception
1024
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:19.479
in your hands when it came,
like when you got your proof, like
1025
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.239
how did that? I actually got
a little choked up because it was like
1026
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:29.560
after so many years, you know, after so many years, after so
1027
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.199
many revisions, and finally, you
know, pour my heart and my soul
1028
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.880
into this thing, it's finally like
tangible. You know, I'm not just
1029
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:39.199
looking at it on a word document
together scrolling through it on my phone.
1030
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:43.920
Um. So. So that's how
I felt with it. Um. And
1031
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.680
then the third one, and this
actually happened to me a couple of weeks
1032
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.359
ago, and it's just it's still
such an other world. We surreal feeling,
1033
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.680
as when you get hit up out
of the blue from someone who do
1034
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:58.760
have no connection with, you know, no mutuals or anything. Hey Man,
1035
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:00.520
you know, I just ordered book, or I just finished reading your
1036
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.920
book and it was really good.
You just wanted, you know, reach
1037
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:12.680
out and you're like what, basically, yeah, and it's it's such it's
1038
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.199
such an awesome feeling, though.
Yeah, that was well, I bet
1039
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.479
it was. It's like you can't
account fast. I think too. Is
1040
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.359
it like like you never know,
like what somebody's gonna see on like their
1041
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:26.000
suggested fee. You never know what
like somebody just looking through Amazon or burns
1042
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.520
and over or whatever, it's going
to just stumble on like you have,
1043
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:30.079
you have, like that's the beauty
of it is, like once it's in
1044
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.600
the wild, like it's scary and
it's also cool at the same time.
1045
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.720
But once it's in the wild,
like it's out there, like you don't
1046
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:39.359
have any control over it anymore,
like it's just out there. So it's
1047
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.680
it's pretty, it's pretty wild.
But that was that was a big reason
1048
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.960
as to why I sort of I
still kept gassing you up and encouraging you
1049
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:53.079
and all that is because at that
point, yeah, because of that point,
1050
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:55.840
what can come out? But you
know, I've gotten deception out and
1051
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:00.279
I knew, I knew what an
awesome feeling it was and and I was,
1052
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:06.640
and I'm still excited for you to
feel that feeling of once September fifteen
1053
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:11.680
for you hits, it was June
one for me last year. Um,
1054
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:16.680
once that hits, to be like, okay, you know, I've done
1055
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:20.960
it, I've I've done everything.
I've read the book. It is out
1056
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:27.560
there, people can go, people
around the world can fucking buy my book
1057
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.560
now. I didn't, and that's
why, that's why I sort of encouraged
1058
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:35.159
you so much because I knew at
that point what an awesome feeling was and
1059
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:38.479
I was like, Oh, like, I want everyone to feel this at
1060
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:42.079
least months in my life, you
know. So it's it's it was like
1061
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.880
I can only imagine it's a great
feeling to just like have had it,
1062
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.439
but like to the next step of
like it being out and people being able
1063
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:53.039
to just like see it, actually
have it. It's like probably its next
1064
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:55.399
level. It's actually really funny.
And so this copy even got like the
1065
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.800
default like Barnes and noble spine that
like I forgot. I didn't do a
1066
01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:01.720
full cover file when I put it
so it's just like this, like hello,
1067
01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.479
but I gotta say that that's striking
green for the spine. I really
1068
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:13.560
like, because this is because this
is the this is what the spinet which
1069
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.600
is still the same like green,
like it's it's pretty. Oh yeah,
1070
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:21.560
but that that like the one you
gave me, which has a striking green
1071
01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:25.680
I love. Like it's it's a
shame that I got here when it did
1072
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.760
because I've already packed up on my
other books, but I can't wait to
1073
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:30.479
look at it on the shelf.
That's what I'm saying is I can't wait
1074
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.039
for, you know, once I
get back and get so by a couple
1075
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:38.199
more bookshelves, because that's obviously going
to go on the top shelf with all
1076
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:41.760
the others signed and or I know
the people who wrote it. But you
1077
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.000
know, so I'll be but it'll
be great to be able to be like
1078
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.000
there's Sam, because it could be
that bright spotty green. Well, Leslie,
1079
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.239
Unlessie, I was telling me.
He's like, he's like, well,
1080
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:56.000
Um, we mean kristen and I
uh put our books arranger of bookshloves
1081
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.680
by color, and so you have
the honor of being next to a really
1082
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:04.640
good a poetry and the twin peaks
novels. It's like, that's interesting.
1083
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:09.760
that the range right. Yeah,
it's it's very like it's a it's a
1084
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.960
it's a neat aesthetic. I was
just trying to I need to ask him
1085
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.680
to send me a picture of that
because I want to see what it looks
1086
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.239
like in practice. But what I'm
thinking of doing because so I actually changed
1087
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:18.479
it. So the one you got
for occupant, it's just the one with
1088
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:23.800
the moon. You found this one
where it's more of like a like a
1089
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:26.760
like a thing being silhout. But
when I'm thinking to do when it's when
1090
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.800
I get the artwork, you just
slapping the artwork out here and keeping it
1091
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.399
for the back to have this and
that little just a little bit of color
1092
01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:36.119
up top. It's under it.
It's Oh yeah, it's over. The
1093
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:41.640
great thing actually just to give just
to really other than the size, to
1094
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:45.119
distinguish it from the other ones,
because like the modern mercenary series, they're
1095
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:46.199
all going to have that black spine. I like how that looks. So
1096
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:50.000
that's sort of blocky texts, like
yeah, it's cleaning, it works.
1097
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:55.880
Yeah, Um, but yeah,
I guess that's it for now. Like
1098
01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:00.279
obviously you know later down the road
when you're when you're back in. I
1099
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:05.680
got more. If I do at
least a year, that would put me
1100
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:14.119
back around what aw say, August, and next year all in will be
1101
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:18.079
out, because that's coming out next
May. Occupant will be coming out.
1102
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:21.840
Occupant right, because it was it
coming in twenty four, isn't it?
1103
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:31.439
No one that's coming correct. Yeah, casiers and then so four will both
1104
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:38.960
be dual release. SES okaye will
have all in in May an occupant in
1105
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.760
November, because I want to release
that right in time for like Christmas and
1106
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:49.800
all that. Drop my pen and
UH will have casadors, which is booked
1107
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:55.319
for in the modern mercenary series and
the first one of the modern mercenary shared
1108
01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.000
world and it's direct sequel. Turning
point will probably be around November December time,
1109
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:01.760
because they're both kind of on the
shorter side. I mean, yeah,
1110
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.640
they're smaller. Yeah, fucking like
significantly. You know, let me
1111
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:10.199
just we we got, we got
the biggest of the smallest of the series
1112
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:14.840
next to week. Damn, books
are fighting me. Hold on God.
1113
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:20.680
Yeah, so book three and four
next to each other. Yeah, it
1114
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.840
was funny when I first got these
author copies of all in and I was
1115
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:29.479
like holy fun this thing is Chunky. So I realized something too, like
1116
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.960
so I'm gonna compare. So this
is, Um, this is the small,
1117
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:39.520
the small paperback from Barnes and Noble. This is the small paperback from
1118
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:46.520
Amazon. It's very they're very what
is it the what is the Amazon on
1119
01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:50.000
the regular? Five by seven?
Amazon is like five by seven. So
1120
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:55.000
that's the same size as these guys. Yeah, and then, Um,
1121
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.439
Barnes and noble, it's like five. Like I use an APP called scrivener
1122
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.119
and it, lets you export it, lets you export in six by nine
1123
01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:04.920
for hardcover, and also lets you
expert like five point eight by like seven
1124
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:09.199
points something in paperback. And that's
what I've been exporting as, and so
1125
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:13.000
that's what Barnes and noble has an
option for that. Um, yeah,
1126
01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:17.079
I had to manually plug in mine. For for Ocpen, it's this is
1127
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:26.319
four, four point two by six
point seven. Um, which Barnes and
1128
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.840
noble has? I think Barnes and
noble has one, but also barnes and
1129
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:35.439
nobles a lot noble fucking cover things. Kissing me off, man, I
1130
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:39.960
know, I know that. We
yeah, five point Oh six by seven
1131
01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:46.520
point eight one is the okay back
for but um, go ahead. No,
1132
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.840
I was gonna say I was just
gonna kind of like like wrap us
1133
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:53.319
up, but like, yeah,
we've got a lot of stuff coming.
1134
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:56.399
Very excited. Well, actually,
so I don't. I haven't written any
1135
01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:00.399
of that. I've got one more
thing planned. It's uh, in rereading
1136
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:04.399
all these like pulp novels and all
that, I'm actually going to start my
1137
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:12.000
own pulp series and just quick burn, you know, just amaz night and
1138
01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.479
exactly. I don't like for now, just enough to cover the fucking printing
1139
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.960
costs pretty much. Um. So, yeah, beyond the look after that,
1140
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:23.479
I've got I've got to two series
plans so far. The first is
1141
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:28.920
going to be the commando squad series
and the second one is it's either going
1142
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:33.560
to be called the night attendant or
just the janitor Um. But yeah,
1143
01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:42.560
so those, those will becoming soon
excellent. Um. So, Um,
1144
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:46.720
I'll do the typical thing. Thank
you, Zack, for joining me on.
1145
01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:51.479
I'm glad we were able to honestly
this one of these, because it's
1146
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.640
just like a very dedicated thing that
we're focused on. Like we could probably
1147
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:59.199
figure out, like if it makes
sense to do another one while you're out
1148
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.960
on movies. If anything, you
know, because I get PTO and time
1149
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.520
off and all that. So if
anything I could like when I decided to
1150
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:11.279
take a break, you know,
we'll work out the schedule and I'll record
1151
01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:14.680
it from like a hotel room or
something. Right, so we'll like,
1152
01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.159
it'll like, we'll figure it.
Well, there's a chance they get they
1153
01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:21.520
get to see full wild man sech
which, if I correctly, I had
1154
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.359
the wild man thing going for the
last one of the use that we recorded.
1155
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:28.479
You have. Your hair was a
lot longer. My hair was longer.
1156
01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:31.159
I think my beard was bigger too. Yeah, yeah, Um,
1157
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:33.800
but, yeah, so potentially,
like, if it makes sense to do
1158
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:36.159
another one, we'll do we'll do
another. We'll figure it out. But,
1159
01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:43.439
but, but, until then you
can do the good youtube things like
1160
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.239
comment and subscribe, hit the bell
notification so people tell you exactly when new
1161
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:50.359
videos come out and tell friends they
can join in on the fun. Um,
1162
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:56.319
as mentioned, the Zax Books,
Deception and wet work, are both
1163
01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.800
out now. You can purchase on
on Amazon. Um, the links are
1164
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.760
for all these are gonna be in
the description. Um, next book may
1165
01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:13.159
all in the final book in the
the current modern mercenary thrower's trilogy, the
1166
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.640
shared world's coming. So we'll look
out for that. Um. And then
1167
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.920
you've got on yielding, and that's
coming out on September fifteenth. You can
1168
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:25.000
pre order it now as well,
Amazon and Barnes and noble. Links in
1169
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:27.960
the description. Yeah, very proud, very excited, very happy. So
1170
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:33.199
I'm I'm very support and support your
independent author to get non chilling books.
1171
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:39.279
Yeah, if you give me,
if you buy enough books, I promise
1172
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:43.439
I'll write a book that is entirely
shilling, just as a joke, just
1173
01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:46.600
just the whole thing is just one
big fucking ad read. I'm gonna read.
1174
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:49.800
I'm gonna write a romance novel where
the main characters are me and a
1175
01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:55.680
bottle of snapple PhD to hopefully get
snapple's attention finally. So I'd read it.
1176
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:00.840
Yeah, I knew that I received
their tend when I got their correspondence
1177
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:06.960
of a cease and desists in the
mail, and I will hold that season
1178
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:14.199
desist close to my heart until the
day I die. Anyway, go,
1179
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:16.119
go, buy your bus, go, creator our books, do all the
1180
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:20.960
things and, as always, I
would like to remind you have a great
1181
01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.720
life. Thank you very much.
Bye. Also, don't forget to review
1182
01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.439
the books. Yeah, review them, review them when they come out.
1183
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:29.039
It helps please, oh my God, please,
