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Speaker 3: News happens, Hub of the Wheel. Right here, Ryan Schuling Live. We're only halfway through and we've got a long way to go, so let's get on the road to getting there with our next guest. He is an Attorney general candidate on the Republican side, retired Army judge, Advocate General's core officer, and former legal advisor in the unit that became US Cyber Command. He's got a wealth of experience and he surprised many, not himself, not his own campaign, by earning his way onto the ballot along with Michael Allen for the AG spot in the primary at the Assembly down in Pueblo. Our guest, he has two l's in his name, so be careful for that. You can find out more about his campaign David FOURAG dot com. David Wilson, our guest here on RSL. David Welcome, Thank you, Ryan, thank you for having me on. Well, let's start with the differentiation between you and the presumptive favorite in this race, who is, of course a district attorney down there in Colorado Springs. Michael Allen brings a wealth of experience to the table. Why not him? And why you.
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Speaker 4: Sure? And you know, people say, oh, you got into this race late. You don't deserve to be in this race. That's because I was asked to be in this race about two weeks before it happened, similar to a couple of years back, I was asked to run for DA two days before the assembly. This a political position is not something I ever saw or wanted to do. But I'm seeing all these problems that need to be fixed. I'm sitting on the couch complaining about him, and then people start reaching out to me, people who have helped in the past with COVID mandates, a lot of military things like that, and asked me to run because they wanted an alternative. The main distinct is, and I've met Michael a couple of times. He says I'm a nice guy. I said, well, I believe you're a nice guy as well, But we don't need a nice guy right now. We don't need somebody who's going to go in and just run the office. We need somebody who's going to go in and fight and change things. If he was doing that, I wouldn't have a problem. I'd say, Okay, great, I support you. I'm going to sit back, go back to my life and not worry about it. But it's time to get off the couch and make things happen. And I'm not looking for a stepping stone. I'm looking to get in, fix things and then be done and move on with my life. And that's it. So that's the main difference status quo versus change.
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Speaker 3: He has served twenty years in the Army jag Corps prosecuting cases. There a special assistant US Attorney, and this part of it. I want to get your comment on, David, that you have represented former Mason County Clerk Tina Peters, And of course we've talked to several members of our legal team on this program, John Case and Peter Tickton. Can you take us through that relevant experience and your thoughts on the potential commutation of Tina's sentence by Governor Polus and where it goes from here?
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Speaker 4: Sure so, and I think it's in my opinion, it's the providence of God, because every piece that I've gotten involved in, whether fully or just a little bit politically related, has been somebody reaching out to me saying you need to help out, you need to do something. In twenty twenty two, I was sitting in my office minding my business and a vanload of people coming from a conference. They were looking for somebody to represent Tina Peters in the recount after she ran in the primary for Secretary of State, and my name came up because these were some of the people who I had helped with COVID mandates and things like that, and they said, we need you to do this. And I told them, well, I've never done anything related to elections or lawlawsuits. I hadn't even filed a civil lawsuit at that point in my life. And I said, well, if I can help out, sure I will. And so I helped file the two lawsuits that went forward. Unfortunately, as you know, we got thrown out on standing in both of them. If you've had Jim Wiley on, he can explain all that because he's deep embedded in all that and filing lots of lawsuits.
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Speaker 3: James Wyler will appear in this program coming up on Monday, just to brief aside there. He is the only nominee on the Republican side for that Office of Secretary State. David quick question, as James endorsed your candidacy your campaign, not yet.
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Speaker 4: I haven't asked him. Yeah, and again this is I think I'm like three weeks, maybe close to four weeks into this. My website is appalling because I set it up myself. I'm still trying to get donations. But you know, I'm relying on and having faith in God. I feel like I prayed about it. God told me to run. That's what I'm going to do.
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Speaker 3: Well. The thing that impresses me actually, you mentioned this is kind of a fly by night, last minute. Do you throw this website together? David fourag dot com. And yet you're able to organize enough to go to the Assembly where you know what, that's like hurting cats and get nearly thirty six percent of support from the delegates on the floor.
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Speaker 5: How were you able to do that well?
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Speaker 4: And first of all, that was my first state Assembly. That was miserable. I don't ever want to have to do that again. Nope, no, But yeah, it was a week. It was a week before I started, and granted it was a couple of months. I joked about, oh, I should run for attorney general. A couple of years before I ran for DA, I joked, oh, I should run for DA, not taking it seriously. But it was like a week or two before that, people said you need to run. We need somebody who's going to fix problems, and just the support that came out and offering the alternative, Hey, I'm gonna fix things. I'm not gonna go status quo. I'm not gonna take these issues and sit on them and hope they go away. They're gonna get fixed. I'm gonna make it very public and tell everybody here's what I'm gonna do and how I'm gonna do it. And like I keep telling people, I'm gonna do town halls at least once a month, I'm doing them once a week now and more, but I'm gonna do them at least once a month in various locations, and they'll all be online as well, so people can tell me what the issues are and I can report to them here's the status, here's where we're going. Because I felt like all my life, a politician gets elected and then you never hear from them, and then they come back when they want to get reelected, and then you never hear from them, I'm not in there to be a politician. I'm in there to fix things and then move on.
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Speaker 3: David Wilson two l's in that last name, candidate for attorney general. If you get your Republican ballot, he'll be on there, along with Michael Allen, both of them qualifying from a delicate account's standpoint at the assembly in Pueblo, which David rightly points out was absolute misery and he never wants to go through that again. David, I don't want to get too into the weeds, but this was a big national story and it raised a lot of questions about red flag laws and how they're applied, and whether they should be applied at all, and how they're enforced, and if they don't work, why have them in the first place. And that is the case of Anderson Lee Aldrich, the club Q shooter who killed five at that gay night club then claimed himself to be non binary. I know there had been an incident prior to that involving law enforcement at his home. It begged the question, if there's going to be a red flag law, why didn't apply to him? And it's one of the criticisms, I think and fair ones of Michael Allen in his capacity as district attorney down there.
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Speaker 5: Can you take us through your view.
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Speaker 3: Of that case, how it was handled, how this suspect was handled in that course of whether or not we take somebody's Second Amendment rights away, and what is the standard for that.
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Speaker 4: Sure, I can only base it on my time prosecuting in the military, because I haven't I haven't been a civilian prosecutor, although I loved prosecuting. But the red flag law is if you're going to deny somebody due process, I disagree with it. On the flip side, you do have some people who really shouldn't have guns, so you have to you have to take a sort of middle ground approach. I've done dependency in the let cases for the last ten years, defending parents having their kids taken away, and I've seen the worst of the worst, and you know some of the saddest cases when parents are you know their rights are being terminated. So you just have to take a logical approach. When I prosecuted, I would look at all the facts. I would get involved in the investigation because if I'm walking into the courtroom, I want to be as prepared as humanly possible. So I knew every little piece of that case. And I even told one soldier once he said, well, sir, do you think I did it? I said, I wouldn't be prosecuting in you if I didn't believe one hundred percent that you burned down that building. He was an arsonist. But with regards to the Club Q, that's when I heard that this guy had claimed he was gonna blow up his grandparents. Yeah, something more should have been done, and I don't know the details. I'm not gonna, you know, bad mouth Michael Allen and say he did bad here or not there, but it seems like something more should have been done. I took a little I had some problems with him claiming he did such a great job. The biggest problem I had was in the military, you always give your people the credit. And when I first ran for DA he kept saying I prosecuted this. I prosecuted that. You got to tell people my office or this prosecutor prosecuted this and give them the credit because he's supposed to be running the office. Hopefully he wasn't in the courtroom prosecuting that himself. And I know I've got him way off.
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Speaker 5: Your question, No, I like it, but I like the detail.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have I would have given the people the credit, and I would have dug deeper into the red flag laws as as it pertained to this individual.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I have a lot more stories. I'm also in addition to doing dependency and neglect, I'm an advisory council in the court. So if somebody has to testify and they're concerned about their rights, yeah, I get asked to come in and advise that person. So I've seen the DA the ADAS in action in some cases, and well I'll withhold my judgment.
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Speaker 3: So well, final question then, David, I think most would agree, at least neutral observers, and certainly those of us on the Republican side like myself, that either you or Michael Allen are infinitely more qualified from a background standpoint, having actually prosecuted cases, etc. Then the presumptive Democrat nominee for this office Attorney General, and that would be Jenna Griswold, who by all accounts has never argued a case before a courtroom, in front of a jury or in front of a judge. Why would you be the better candidate than Michael Allen to go head to head with Jenna Griswold in the general election.
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, with regards to arguments, I've argued in a lot of military courtrooms, federal courtrooms when I was a special assistant US Attorney in the county courts here fighting for parents' rights. I am admitted to the federal the tenth Federal Court up here in Denver. Todd Callender and I, who I work with, we filed the first lawsuit against DoD for the COVID mandates, and together we argued in front of the Federal Pellate Court up there. I'm also admitted to the Supreme Court, and I've followed an Amekus brief and I was shocked to hear that Griswold didn't have any experience. Not shocked, just thought it was interesting. I first of all, she's got name recognition, but it's not good name recognition. Everywhere I've been so far, people you know, are ready to spit on the floor when they hear her name. So I think that goes against her. Apparently people from her office who have worked for her are coming out and speaking against her, and I would not be shocked if there is is, or will be an investigation a criminal investigation at some point, but we need to be holding people accountable. And if I can just say, what happened to Tina Peters that was disgusting. I wasn't there. I didn't follow it all. But the more people I speak to, the more information I hear, and it just baffles me how she was completely railroaded. And I also do work with Peter Tickton now as local council for a couple other cases that he's on as well.
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Speaker 3: So find out more about his campaign. That's Wilson with two l's key distinction there, David four fo r ag dot com. David Wilson the primary challenger along with Michael Allen for that attorney general nomination the Republican Party. He'll be on your ballot and again those are due Tuesday, June thirty. David, great talking to you here today, Appreciate your time, and I'm sure we'll talk.
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Speaker 5: Again down the line between now and June thirtieth.
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Speaker 4: All right, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: Ryan, all right, And as a transition to ash Abb who will also be commenting on Tina Peters her latest on her sub stack. Tina Peters moves to disqualified judge Matthew Barrett in the meantime, Jonathan Flora in studio here.
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Speaker 5: I think I just woke him up. Is this early for you, Jonathan News? It's not going on a few hours now. But have you how much coffe? A couple of these? Yeah? See look at mine right there, literally as you though.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just quick cursory glance at the Tina Peters case, how it's been handled and the reaction to it. She's a big nuclear political football.
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 2: You're so polarizing. I mean, people will talk about why was she arrested? Was it because of the voting machine, et cetera, Or was it because she resisted arrests and kicked a policeman.
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Speaker 5: It's just all over the place right now.
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Speaker 2: And obviously people candidates are trying to latch on to what's going on with Tina Peters for their leverage.
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Speaker 5: They're trying to appeal to a certain group of the sector, and that's what you got to do. But it's on both sides too, isn't it. Absolutely? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Democrats they don't want her to be kind of the standard bearer for the Republican Party, and they're showing that they're tough on crime, not any other crime.
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Speaker 5: But we're going to put this seventy year old grandmother behind bars. You better believes a threat. She's a threat. Yeah, and then to hold the definition pardon commute.
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Speaker 2: What you know, it's it's all over the place. It's entertaining radio for sure.
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Speaker 3: Jonathan, your experience in this space talk radio. We've discussed the with our mutual friend Peter Boyles. They'll set that aside for a moment. Just you know what you get out of this experience participating in talk radio and why it appeals to you.
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Speaker 2: Well, I like to talk and I also like to listen. I like to hear the opinions of what people have. And it's all over the place. I mean whether you're walking into a diner or a restaurant or a political organization. And by the way, forum debate Tomato, Tomato, you know, please thank you for going to talk about all things. And that's why like being on your show, because nothing's really off the table, and we talk everything about how great Ohio state is compared to that other team up north, and then again, what's going on here locally in the political room.
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Speaker 5: Tiss the season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we share a mutual disdain for those Wolverines of ann Arbor, the Amazing Blue because he's a Buck guy and I'm a Spartan Michigan State University.
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Speaker 5: So a strategic alliance, shall we say.
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Speaker 2: I was very relieved when you said you were in Michigan, said I can handle SPARTI I can handle little brother.
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Speaker 3: It's that blue Yellow team up. No, I don't like it's the only reason he's here. If I was a Michigan grad, you wouldn't even walk in the studio. We'll take this time out, we'll come back. We'll connect with ash App on the other side. Also, Tricia Calvaret say was scheduled to be here early as we talked about the role of women in politics here in the state of Colorado. Tricia running herself in the fourth Congressional District thrice, I might add, and Jonathan, of course, his wife Deborah running both in a US Senate race and a race for that fourth Congressional district seat in the Republican primary last time around against Lauren Bobert, who came into that district from the third won the primary, and Deborah had a lot of thoughts in the aftermath of that race. We'll be joined by all of the above, including Jonathan Flora after this time out on Ryan Schuling Live. You know this includes Shanman too on the other side of the Detroit connection to don't do shake your head. No, I'm talking about the ac DC, the electricity of this all what I like to call this consortium everybody that comes on this show as a contributing panelist, the Island of misfit toys like from Rudolph the Red Nose Rain here and I'm Hermie. No, I'm Yukon Cornelia. That's good to qualify you look like Hermie the dentist. We're gonna go with Johonnifer and Flora, Tricia Calvaretes and study a little bit early for her.
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Speaker 5: Is it too early? Are you wearing?
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Speaker 6: The boat's okay?
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Speaker 7: So we're all stuck on this island together now, good morning.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of doing just that, she resembles a Valkyrie warrior herself, and she joins us with her latest for her substack Ash in America.
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Speaker 5: You got to say it like George W. Bush to add a little emphasis to it.
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Speaker 3: Tina Peters moves to disqualify Judge Matthew Barrett in a move that you and I had predicted, although it wasn't a very difficult prediction. Ash up, this seems to be the first step in that process.
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Speaker 5: Can you give us the latest?
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Speaker 1: Sure, So, thanks for having me, and so Tina Peters moved yesterday to disqualify Judge Barrett. We expected this, Peter Tickton told us on Tuesday that it was imminent. They've also moved for a rehearing last week, as we talked about. So there's multiple moving parts to this, and there's dependencies in place. So the.
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Speaker 8: Move to disqual Barrett.
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Speaker 1: Disqualified Bart is the next step in the resentencing that the Court of Appeals ordered earlier this month, and that he appears to be posturing to deny that request. He's asked the people to respond he's, you know, using language that makes them sound very fair and impartial. So we'll see what happens there. She's also renewed her motion for bond pending appeal, so I think we expect that to be denied. And then one of the parts of the conversation we have with Ticton on Tuesday that was interesting is it's been kind of ambiguous as to whether they were going to appeal the state Colorado State's first treatment of the presidential pardon and then the Colorado Court of Appeals denial of that. Peter Tickton said absolutely on the show on Tuesday, So that'll be interesting to see.
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Speaker 3: So walk us through this, putting a fine point on an ash that this decision am I hearing this phrase sounds comical that Judge Barrett would decide on his own fate as to whether he should be removed or recused from presiding over this.
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Speaker 5: Do I have that right? And then it would be that's right.
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Speaker 1: And that's what came out of the Colorado Court of Appeals. So there was a bunch of emotional outrage on the internet after the decision came down, saying there the you know, the Court of Appeals was saying that Matthew Barrett needed to rule on or needed to be the finder effect on the rehearing the resentencing.
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Speaker 8: That wasn't exactly correct.
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Speaker 1: It was just, you know, like I said, emotion The what the Court of Appeals said was that it has to be decided in the state court, in the district court first, and then they can hear whether or not to disqualify him if he decides to not recuse himself.
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Speaker 8: So this is exactly what we would have expected.
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Speaker 1: To happen, happening quickly in Mason County, ASH in.
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Speaker 5: America, dot substack dot com.
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Speaker 3: One final jumping off point into our conversation here about girl power in politics in the state of Colorado. Trish Calvarety, Jonathan Flora of course the lesser half of the Deborah Flora dynamic and combo there. But for you, Ash, We've talked about this part too, that Tina Peters in large part, has been a scapegoat in this whole thing, not to say, you know, set aside whether or not you think she's guilty or should pay a price, or should serve some time, But nobody else has. Mike Lindell maybe wrote a shack. He was able to walk away scott free. You've got other principal players in this entire thing. That you've had these jailhouse conversations exclusively with Tina and her feelings about being left hanging out to dry in this your view on the role of women in politics, whether it's her, whether it's you and the political sphere and the blog sphere. I know you you're isolated a lot of times, like the token female.
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Speaker 5: Could you give us some thoughts on that part of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think, like everything else, that comes down to the content, the quality of work, whatever domain you're in, the competence and quality of work that you're doing.
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Speaker 8: I'm not gonna you know, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I think the role of women in politics needs to be competence and we need to pick the right.
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Speaker 8: Person for the job regardless.
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Speaker 1: But I'll just before you'll let me go, just to comment really quickly because I think it's sort of related. On your two prior guests earlier in the show, shout out to Greg Lopez for being the only candidate in the gubernatorial race on any side talking about the proper orientation of government and its limitations. Was refreshing to hear him say that. And then I don't know if you caught it, this goes to women in politics, kind of the inverse of what I just said about competence. At the end of your interview with Wilson, he sort of implied that as Attorney General he would support a criminal investigation and prosecution against Jenna Griswold that should win him the race in my opinion.
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Speaker 3: All right, Ash Epp She joins this for Ash Tuesdays on the regular eight am hour on Tuesdays on this program. Ash, thanks for the updated always appreciate your time. Thanks guys, Trichy calv Raising turn to you right now. The Republican Party may be in the verge of nominating a woman as their nominee for the second consecutive election cycle as Governor Heidigenall and I would say the betting odds favorite would be Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. Why has your Democratic Party not nominated a woman ever for that office when in my home state of Michigan, not only have we had two nominees from the Democratic side, but two winners Jennifer Granholme and Gretchen Wimmer.
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Speaker 6: Yes, well, that I mean, and that could change.
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Speaker 7: We see Julie taking on taking Looper, So that's a I mean, that's a.
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Speaker 6: But yeah.
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Speaker 7: But I mean, that's that's a great point. And you know, I back in the day, I actually worked at the Women's Campaign Forum, which was the one of the oldest packs in the country dedicating to getting women elected to both parties, so to do either Republican or Democrats getting women elected, supporting women in politics. So I personally, I think on your side in terms of your candidates I think Barb is heads and shoulders above the others.
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Speaker 6: Frankly, so, I think she's your strongest candidate.
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Speaker 3: Turning the Jonathan for a moment. Now your wife, of course, my good friend, and she's on right side of Hollywood every Friday, it's one of the most popular hours on this program. Deborah Flora has run for US Senate, has run for US House, same seat, I might add, coincidentally, the Trisha has run for in the fourth congressional district. From your standingpoint, you got a front row seat, Jonathan to all of this. What do you observe to be the unique challenges that Deborah has faced as a female candidate for office?
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Speaker 2: If any yes, And if I can quickly comment on the way you introduced me earlier when I was a producer with Walt Disney Studios. When we first got married, Deborah was Jonathan's wife.
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Speaker 5: It took about a year and I was Deborah's husband. There you go, I'm her arm candy, I'm her chick wife. We'll go with dude. Thank you. I appreciate that. But here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: You know, I will never vote or not vote for anybody based on their gender, or their skin color or whatever box that.
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Speaker 5: You need to set. So when Deborah ran for Senate earlier on, she was the only female.
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Speaker 2: That's right, And several advisors and consultant says, you need to play the female card, you need to go there.
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Speaker 5: She goes, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Want anybody voting me before me because I'm a female. I'm the best candidate. I've got the best platform. I've got the best ideas and visions. That's why you vote for me. And we see that so often. And you know, and the whole Victor Marx thing, him doing that one on one with Scott Bonhams, it's interesting. If you want to play the female card, why is he ignoring the female Barb will not say that.
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Speaker 5: No, and I find that a very stand up way.
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Speaker 2: But you know I and again, I speak as the candidate, and I like to speak I'm sorry, as the espousal candidate and on the campaign trail and even now I like to talk to the spouses of candidates, especially the male spouses of female candidates, because men are wired a certain way. We want to protect our woman and things get said. Believe me, there's people I want to punch in the throat, but I can't there's things I want to say, but I can't. My wife needs to say that because if I said anything, well, why are you speaking.
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Speaker 5: For your wife?
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Speaker 2: Exactly, He's got to speak, And so we have to sit back and be quiet and support her and make sure she's got a nice margarita when we get home late at night.
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Speaker 3: I like that plan, and I get the conundrum that you must feel like you're in you can't win either way. Yeah, like either you stand on principle as Deborah's husband and you want to be the man, you want to be the alpha, get in there. But then when if you do that, well, she needs Jonathan to come to the rescue, and you don't win either way.
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Speaker 5: There, you don't. And physically is the only way.
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Speaker 2: When we were at these big events, and we went to so many events, all right, So.
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Speaker 5: Again we went to events.
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Speaker 2: I went to probably ninety something percent of her events, yes, and just in Vince in general, for a candidate, Debora went to everything she physically could. And I was amazed how sometimes she could be at two places at once so much. We were just talking off the air. She we was stopping a diner coffee shops where there's nine twelve people hear what they've got to say, what's concerning their lives, what keeps them up at night. But I would have her six like I can see when somebody would maybe be getting a little too close or too aggressive. I'll stand in and I'm big enough to make a presence, but I can Paul drink of water. I am you know, was there six y three over there once upon a time? I'm down to six?
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Speaker 5: Two happens later in life. I was the Yes, jumping out of planes will compress some discs.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, but no, it's something and we have to stand back and blieve me.
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Speaker 5: Our women are strong.
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Speaker 2: Any woman that runs and gets in this race, they're going to be held to different standards.
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Speaker 5: We can show up dressed one way. Somebody else is going.
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Speaker 2: To criticize how woman's dressed, you know, too much makeup her hair, skirts, too short, you know, just ridiculous stuff. They are held to a different standard, and I don't think that's right either.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna take Tricia's perspective on this when we come back and take this time out Tricia Calvarets. Of course, Thursdays with Tricia coming up at nine o'clock, She's working over time.
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Speaker 5: We're paying her for it. Wait, not exactly at all.
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Speaker 3: And Jonathan Flora in studio, well, no, we're happy to be here.
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Speaker 5: She didn't pay.
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Speaker 3: The smiles and rainbows is what I promised her, and she said, yes, I'll take that and we'll have more of it after this.
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Speaker 5: On Ryan Schuling Life.
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Speaker 3: Women in Colorado Politics. Well we've got one of them right here, Tricia Calvaretes. And she is a regular contributor Thursdays with Tricia during nine o'clock hour.
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Speaker 5: She's here early.
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Speaker 3: Jonathan Flora, the husband of Deborah Flora, who has run twice, once for US Senate, one for US House. And I want to build off a point Jonathan was making going into the break and Tricia, you and I have had these conversations about your runs for office.
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Speaker 5: You're young, you're vibrant, you're an attractive woman.
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Speaker 3: People notice this, but people think that's a positive, and it should be, and maybe it is, but then there's.
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Speaker 5: The judgment that comes along with that.
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Speaker 3: And one of the things I'm just gonna let you take it from here that I remember you saying is that you've.
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Speaker 5: Gotten the I don't want to call it hate mail, but.
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Speaker 3: Like whether it's a text or an email or some kind of post that says you look like a Fox News anchor. And this is countering where they call represented Lauren Bobert a Maga Barbie or whatever. Take us through exactly what the experience has been like where you're basically judged on your appearance. I know this is going to sound, oh, she's a pretty woman, what does she complain about?
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Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, the.
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Speaker 7: Judgment no matter what, no matter what you do, because as famously as I have explained the story before, I accidentally self inflicted a mullet before.
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Speaker 6: I ran in twenty twenty four. Leave that up to the professionals.
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Speaker 7: And then, of course, you know, trying to trying to cover up the crime made it worse. So uh yeah, so really I had a really bad haircut.
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Speaker 6: Let me just say that first, I thank you, but I kind of look like.
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Speaker 7: A Mappa baby and I would get I would get like, you know, like all kinds of interesting comments comparing me to different things on the internet, and you know, my hair grew out so this for this last run and we're you know, I would still get feedback.
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Speaker 6: Let's call it.
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Speaker 7: That are the critical eye of our voters, our feedback of just being like, well, now your hair is it's just it's pretty, and that's the problem.
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Speaker 6: So, you know, no matter what you.
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Speaker 7: Do, you look like a mapa baby, your hair looks good. You're You're gonna always get that kind of feedback, which I don't. I don't think our male counterparts necessarily for that.
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Speaker 5: We don't.
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Speaker 6: Oh my god, if you're you know, you're tall, you have you know, like a like a nice forehead, You're you're great. Yeah, ten out of ten.
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Speaker 3: Well, and the other part comment you would get is the age concerned thing. Oh I thought you were a lot younger. I didn't realize you can I say, are age thirty nine? You know, and like now, okay, now I'll consider you. But I thought you were like twenty seven or whatever.
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Speaker 6: I thank you. I'm really shure that. Guys, Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 7: But where you have to you know, let them know like your age, your back, you know, and where I really made a point to, you know, talk about my credentials, my background, my experience where you know, I don't want to talk about me. I don't want to have to constantly establish that, like I want to hear from people like what are you experiencing?
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Speaker 6: What do you need? So that's just kind of you know, you.
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Speaker 7: Always try to turn it back on like the purpose of what you're doing, but the feedback, it's constant.
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Speaker 6: People have very specific ideas I think.
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Speaker 8: Of, you know, of what they want.
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Speaker 6: And you know, I will give a shout out to Lauren Bobert. You know, she has taken so much crap. Oh yeah, so much.
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Speaker 7: You know, there's plenty, plenty of areas to actually, you know, criticize her that I think are merited. But you know, there would be times too on the Internet where I would just read comments and I'm like, are they is.
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Speaker 6: That horrible thing about her? About me?
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Speaker 7: Like where you can't even tell it's just like, you know, hating on the young women. So her being in office I think made it a heck of a lot easier for me to run.
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Speaker 2: And we never had any candidates on our side criticized the way that Bobert dresses.
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Speaker 3: No, no, come on, well never Yeah, And I'll talk to Deborah about this probably tomorrow on right side of Hollywood is it'll tie in nicely to our conversation here. But from your perspective, Jonathan, you know, First of all, you lucked out. Let's let's let's do that way out of my species. You hit the jackpot. But here's Deborah. I got this Miss Colorado right, Yes.
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Speaker 2: I can run her up Miss America. Okay, to pick any universities she wanted to go to. I went to the one that accepted me. So we're a lot alike.
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Speaker 3: So right, So again again this is going to sound comical to some, but like Tricia, you know, Deborah very attractive woman, and it's and she's striking, but an image that in some ways she has to overcome because is she just another pretty face? Is that's why you know? She's telegenic. So she's out there, she's a candidate, but what does she really know? What has that process been like for her to try to kind of counter that?
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Speaker 2: People will say that on still photos, then when you watch or speak, they're like, okay, there's substance there, there's strengths, there's wisdom.
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Speaker 5: She knows how to communicate.
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Speaker 2: But I remember one specific time online of course, and she's laying out her platform and a comment is what's with the bangs?
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Speaker 4: Good lord?
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Speaker 6: If you want to be a woman with thanks and run for office?
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Speaker 7: If you if you want some feedback from the internet, because yeah, they feel very strongly about them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was debating on cracking a joke, but I'm gonna go with it because Ray is here.
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Speaker 5: When we met you at a Memorial Day.
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Speaker 7: Event, You're probably who's the smuppet baby?
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Speaker 5: She's pretty cool. But what's with the hair? I'm not totally kidding, totally kidding.
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Speaker 2: You owned it, thank you. There you go, she did no, but that is something that people have. And then if you're the other way, people are going, Wow, I just can't look at this person now, Ice, I can't hear what she's saying.
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Speaker 5: Because I can't get past her looks. You know.
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Speaker 2: So you're women have a challenge that most guys do, not whether you're very attractive or not so attractive.
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Speaker 5: Now, really it's all about substance, isn't it. Well that's what we hope that.
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Speaker 3: That's where I'm going with Trisha here, is that there comes a point and I've described you much the same way that I do a sheriff Jason Mike Soul. There are other candidates that Hey, the more that this person is seen and heard by the public by voters and forums and debates, the more that they are.
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Speaker 5: Liked and a novel concept.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that applies to you too, Trisia. And just if you could describe those breakthrough moments where you show up an event and maybe they initially judge you on appearance or make assumptions about you, and you're able to cut through that clutter, that white noise and connect with the voter.
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Speaker 5: How are you able to do that?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's especially the spaces you show up into, right Like I remember there was one forum and it was specifically like a Republican forum up in Sterling, and.
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Speaker 6: I crashed it.
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Speaker 7: I showed up and said Hi, I'm here, and I'd like to talk that the assembling right well, but like yeah, exactly, but showing up in those spaces and being like, look, I'm going to show you I'm a I'm a normal person.
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Speaker 6: Here's my ideas.
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Speaker 7: Question me, you like, poke holes in it and let's find that common ground, like by constantly showing up though, I think that that's the really big key is just you keep showing up in a spaces where whether.
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Speaker 3: You're invited or not, speaking of normal So Victor Marx and we were talking about this during the break and the dynamic between him and his wife Eileen, and the part that just makes me every time he goes.
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Speaker 5: Well my bride and like, wow, bra, that is creepy.
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Speaker 3: Af Can you break that down for us a little bit, Jonathan, because you've been in that sphere, But this kind of is the reverse.
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Speaker 5: Victor's the candidate.
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Speaker 3: Eileen is the bride, I guess is what he's he's calling her your thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting too because we had talked about how certain cadates they are who they are and who they married might be who they are also sure you know, and so I've seen somewhere and again it's more times where it's a female candidate than a male where you can see the male is living vicariously through the female candidate. They're pulling the strings. It's their statements. They're the campaign manager. I certainly had a viewpoint in both of my wife's campaigns, but I was not the campaign manager. I was maybe her number one consultant, but she had her team, so the decision ultimately was going to be hers and her teams. And you can see that sometimes and again we don't always know what's behind, but when you're at certain events you can see interactions, you can see physical movement, you can see the way that people talk. So sometimes it is the that's the spouse that could be living vicariously through the candidate. And then there's other times where you see, no, the candidate is strong. He or she can stand on her own. She's going to make her decisions. And that's the kind of person that you're looking for. Even if you just agree with their opinions, if they believe in it and they're honest about it, I respect that, and then we can sit down and have a beer. Let's talk about it.
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Speaker 5: How many years have you been married? Will be twenty six in July.
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Speaker 6: The secret, what's the secret?
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Speaker 5: Marry your best friend? For us?
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Speaker 2: For us, we center around our faith, and so that was one of the elements that we had in being a best friend is because we related than that. But it's it's marry your best friend. And here's here's the number one advice. When you are together as a couple and there's an issue, a problem, whatever that might be, make sure that you two are standing on the opposite side of that problem.
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Speaker 5: Do not let that line get between you.
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Speaker 2: Whether it's finances, whether it's a car, whether it's are you gonna wear that shirt when you go out tonight? You know, whatever it might be. Remember, you guys are a team. For Debor and I were wrapped around our faith and you face the problem together.
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Speaker 5: Don't let that problem get.
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Speaker 2: Between you, so smart, don't say anything you can't take back.
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Speaker 5: Oh that's a good one.
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Speaker 2: Those words that come out of your mouth, you can your spouse can forgive and forget.
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Speaker 5: It is still going to be there somewhere, So just don't ever say it.
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Speaker 2: A sage will still go on and on. So read the book when it comes out, which we're not writing.
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Speaker 5: Twenty six years.
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Speaker 3: I've got to trust in this guy, like I said, hashtag life goals when I look at you, so is the guy aspiring to be a smart man like you.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to give the lady the final word here on the subject.
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Speaker 7: So I mean, just shout out to debraah and all the badass women who have stepped up right. Well, that's as a young woman like shout out to the women who've come before too. It makes it a heck of a lot easier. And that was one of my favorite things too on the trailers, just meeting like girls who just would see like, oh, it's so cool you're running, and it'd be like yeah, and you're going to run too.
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Speaker 6: So just shout out to all the badass women in Colorado.
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Speaker 5: She is one of them as well. Although modest.
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Speaker 3: Tricia Calvarez a badass woman and she's got a full hour straight ahead Thursdays with Trisha, we're going to break it down. She was on with Matt Marral Fox thirty one during this campaign for an interview. We're going to compare and contrast that with the recent appearance of one Yes Victor Marks with the same Matt Morrow. So those are the constants in the equation, the variables where Tricia and Victor will break it down when we come back after this Sun Ryan's shiling life
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Speaker 3: News happens, Hub of the Wheel. Right here, Ryan Schuling Live. We're only halfway through and we've got a long way to go, so let's get on the road to getting there with our next guest. He is an Attorney general candidate on the Republican side, retired Army judge, Advocate General's core officer, and former legal advisor in the unit that became US Cyber Command. He's got a wealth of experience and he surprised many, not himself, not his own campaign, by earning his way onto the ballot along with Michael Allen for the AG spot in the primary at the Assembly down in Pueblo. Our guest, he has two l's in his name, so be careful for that. You can find out more about his campaign David FOURAG dot com. David Wilson, our guest here on RSL. David Welcome, Thank you, Ryan, thank you for having me on. Well, let's start with the differentiation between you and the presumptive favorite in this race, who is, of course a district attorney down there in Colorado Springs. Michael Allen brings a wealth of experience to the table. Why not him? And why you.
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Speaker 4: Sure? And you know, people say, oh, you got into this race late. You don't deserve to be in this race. That's because I was asked to be in this race about two weeks before it happened, similar to a couple of years back, I was asked to run for DA two days before the assembly. This a political position is not something I ever saw or wanted to do. But I'm seeing all these problems that need to be fixed. I'm sitting on the couch complaining about him, and then people start reaching out to me, people who have helped in the past with COVID mandates, a lot of military things like that, and asked me to run because they wanted an alternative. The main distinct is, and I've met Michael a couple of times. He says I'm a nice guy. I said, well, I believe you're a nice guy as well, But we don't need a nice guy right now. We don't need somebody who's going to go in and just run the office. We need somebody who's going to go in and fight and change things. If he was doing that, I wouldn't have a problem. I'd say, Okay, great, I support you. I'm going to sit back, go back to my life and not worry about it. But it's time to get off the couch and make things happen. And I'm not looking for a stepping stone. I'm looking to get in, fix things and then be done and move on with my life. And that's it. So that's the main difference status quo versus change.
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Speaker 3: He has served twenty years in the Army jag Corps prosecuting cases. There a special assistant US Attorney, and this part of it. I want to get your comment on, David, that you have represented former Mason County Clerk Tina Peters, And of course we've talked to several members of our legal team on this program, John Case and Peter Tickton. Can you take us through that relevant experience and your thoughts on the potential commutation of Tina's sentence by Governor Polus and where it goes from here?
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Speaker 4: Sure so, and I think it's in my opinion, it's the providence of God, because every piece that I've gotten involved in, whether fully or just a little bit politically related, has been somebody reaching out to me saying you need to help out, you need to do something. In twenty twenty two, I was sitting in my office minding my business and a vanload of people coming from a conference. They were looking for somebody to represent Tina Peters in the recount after she ran in the primary for Secretary of State, and my name came up because these were some of the people who I had helped with COVID mandates and things like that, and they said, we need you to do this. And I told them, well, I've never done anything related to elections or lawlawsuits. I hadn't even filed a civil lawsuit at that point in my life. And I said, well, if I can help out, sure I will. And so I helped file the two lawsuits that went forward. Unfortunately, as you know, we got thrown out on standing in both of them. If you've had Jim Wiley on, he can explain all that because he's deep embedded in all that and filing lots of lawsuits.
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Speaker 3: James Wyler will appear in this program coming up on Monday, just to brief aside there. He is the only nominee on the Republican side for that Office of Secretary State. David quick question, as James endorsed your candidacy your campaign, not yet.
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Speaker 4: I haven't asked him. Yeah, and again this is I think I'm like three weeks, maybe close to four weeks into this. My website is appalling because I set it up myself. I'm still trying to get donations. But you know, I'm relying on and having faith in God. I feel like I prayed about it. God told me to run. That's what I'm going to do.
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Speaker 3: Well. The thing that impresses me actually, you mentioned this is kind of a fly by night, last minute. Do you throw this website together? David fourag dot com. And yet you're able to organize enough to go to the Assembly where you know what, that's like hurting cats and get nearly thirty six percent of support from the delegates on the floor.
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Speaker 5: How were you able to do that well?
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Speaker 4: And first of all, that was my first state Assembly. That was miserable. I don't ever want to have to do that again. Nope, no, But yeah, it was a week. It was a week before I started, and granted it was a couple of months. I joked about, oh, I should run for attorney general. A couple of years before I ran for DA, I joked, oh, I should run for DA, not taking it seriously. But it was like a week or two before that, people said you need to run. We need somebody who's going to fix problems, and just the support that came out and offering the alternative, Hey, I'm gonna fix things. I'm not gonna go status quo. I'm not gonna take these issues and sit on them and hope they go away. They're gonna get fixed. I'm gonna make it very public and tell everybody here's what I'm gonna do and how I'm gonna do it. And like I keep telling people, I'm gonna do town halls at least once a month, I'm doing them once a week now and more, but I'm gonna do them at least once a month in various locations, and they'll all be online as well, so people can tell me what the issues are and I can report to them here's the status, here's where we're going. Because I felt like all my life, a politician gets elected and then you never hear from them, and then they come back when they want to get reelected, and then you never hear from them, I'm not in there to be a politician. I'm in there to fix things and then move on.
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Speaker 3: David Wilson two l's in that last name, candidate for attorney general. If you get your Republican ballot, he'll be on there, along with Michael Allen, both of them qualifying from a delicate account's standpoint at the assembly in Pueblo, which David rightly points out was absolute misery and he never wants to go through that again. David, I don't want to get too into the weeds, but this was a big national story and it raised a lot of questions about red flag laws and how they're applied, and whether they should be applied at all, and how they're enforced, and if they don't work, why have them in the first place. And that is the case of Anderson Lee Aldrich, the club Q shooter who killed five at that gay night club then claimed himself to be non binary. I know there had been an incident prior to that involving law enforcement at his home. It begged the question, if there's going to be a red flag law, why didn't apply to him? And it's one of the criticisms, I think and fair ones of Michael Allen in his capacity as district attorney down there.
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Speaker 5: Can you take us through your view.
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Speaker 3: Of that case, how it was handled, how this suspect was handled in that course of whether or not we take somebody's Second Amendment rights away, and what is the standard for that.
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Speaker 4: Sure, I can only base it on my time prosecuting in the military, because I haven't I haven't been a civilian prosecutor, although I loved prosecuting. But the red flag law is if you're going to deny somebody due process, I disagree with it. On the flip side, you do have some people who really shouldn't have guns, so you have to you have to take a sort of middle ground approach. I've done dependency in the let cases for the last ten years, defending parents having their kids taken away, and I've seen the worst of the worst, and you know some of the saddest cases when parents are you know their rights are being terminated. So you just have to take a logical approach. When I prosecuted, I would look at all the facts. I would get involved in the investigation because if I'm walking into the courtroom, I want to be as prepared as humanly possible. So I knew every little piece of that case. And I even told one soldier once he said, well, sir, do you think I did it? I said, I wouldn't be prosecuting in you if I didn't believe one hundred percent that you burned down that building. He was an arsonist. But with regards to the Club Q, that's when I heard that this guy had claimed he was gonna blow up his grandparents. Yeah, something more should have been done, and I don't know the details. I'm not gonna, you know, bad mouth Michael Allen and say he did bad here or not there, but it seems like something more should have been done. I took a little I had some problems with him claiming he did such a great job. The biggest problem I had was in the military, you always give your people the credit. And when I first ran for DA he kept saying I prosecuted this. I prosecuted that. You got to tell people my office or this prosecutor prosecuted this and give them the credit because he's supposed to be running the office. Hopefully he wasn't in the courtroom prosecuting that himself. And I know I've got him way off.
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Speaker 5: Your question, No, I like it, but I like the detail.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have I would have given the people the credit, and I would have dug deeper into the red flag laws as as it pertained to this individual.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I have a lot more stories. I'm also in addition to doing dependency and neglect, I'm an advisory council in the court. So if somebody has to testify and they're concerned about their rights, yeah, I get asked to come in and advise that person. So I've seen the DA the ADAS in action in some cases, and well I'll withhold my judgment.
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Speaker 3: So well, final question then, David, I think most would agree, at least neutral observers, and certainly those of us on the Republican side like myself, that either you or Michael Allen are infinitely more qualified from a background standpoint, having actually prosecuted cases, etc. Then the presumptive Democrat nominee for this office Attorney General, and that would be Jenna Griswold, who by all accounts has never argued a case before a courtroom, in front of a jury or in front of a judge. Why would you be the better candidate than Michael Allen to go head to head with Jenna Griswold in the general election.
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, with regards to arguments, I've argued in a lot of military courtrooms, federal courtrooms when I was a special assistant US Attorney in the county courts here fighting for parents' rights. I am admitted to the federal the tenth Federal Court up here in Denver. Todd Callender and I, who I work with, we filed the first lawsuit against DoD for the COVID mandates, and together we argued in front of the Federal Pellate Court up there. I'm also admitted to the Supreme Court, and I've followed an Amekus brief and I was shocked to hear that Griswold didn't have any experience. Not shocked, just thought it was interesting. I first of all, she's got name recognition, but it's not good name recognition. Everywhere I've been so far, people you know, are ready to spit on the floor when they hear her name. So I think that goes against her. Apparently people from her office who have worked for her are coming out and speaking against her, and I would not be shocked if there is is, or will be an investigation a criminal investigation at some point, but we need to be holding people accountable. And if I can just say, what happened to Tina Peters that was disgusting. I wasn't there. I didn't follow it all. But the more people I speak to, the more information I hear, and it just baffles me how she was completely railroaded. And I also do work with Peter Tickton now as local council for a couple other cases that he's on as well.
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Speaker 3: So find out more about his campaign. That's Wilson with two l's key distinction there, David four fo r ag dot com. David Wilson the primary challenger along with Michael Allen for that attorney general nomination the Republican Party. He'll be on your ballot and again those are due Tuesday, June thirty. David, great talking to you here today, Appreciate your time, and I'm sure we'll talk.
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Speaker 5: Again down the line between now and June thirtieth.
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Speaker 4: All right, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: Ryan, all right, And as a transition to ash Abb who will also be commenting on Tina Peters her latest on her sub stack. Tina Peters moves to disqualified judge Matthew Barrett in the meantime, Jonathan Flora in studio here.
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Speaker 5: I think I just woke him up. Is this early for you, Jonathan News? It's not going on a few hours now. But have you how much coffe? A couple of these? Yeah? See look at mine right there, literally as you though.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just quick cursory glance at the Tina Peters case, how it's been handled and the reaction to it. She's a big nuclear political football.
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 2: You're so polarizing. I mean, people will talk about why was she arrested? Was it because of the voting machine, et cetera, Or was it because she resisted arrests and kicked a policeman.
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Speaker 5: It's just all over the place right now.
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Speaker 2: And obviously people candidates are trying to latch on to what's going on with Tina Peters for their leverage.
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Speaker 5: They're trying to appeal to a certain group of the sector, and that's what you got to do. But it's on both sides too, isn't it. Absolutely? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Democrats they don't want her to be kind of the standard bearer for the Republican Party, and they're showing that they're tough on crime, not any other crime.
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Speaker 5: But we're going to put this seventy year old grandmother behind bars. You better believes a threat. She's a threat. Yeah, and then to hold the definition pardon commute.
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Speaker 2: What you know, it's it's all over the place. It's entertaining radio for sure.
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Speaker 3: Jonathan, your experience in this space talk radio. We've discussed the with our mutual friend Peter Boyles. They'll set that aside for a moment. Just you know what you get out of this experience participating in talk radio and why it appeals to you.
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Speaker 2: Well, I like to talk and I also like to listen. I like to hear the opinions of what people have. And it's all over the place. I mean whether you're walking into a diner or a restaurant or a political organization. And by the way, forum debate Tomato, Tomato, you know, please thank you for going to talk about all things. And that's why like being on your show, because nothing's really off the table, and we talk everything about how great Ohio state is compared to that other team up north, and then again, what's going on here locally in the political room.
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Speaker 5: Tiss the season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we share a mutual disdain for those Wolverines of ann Arbor, the Amazing Blue because he's a Buck guy and I'm a Spartan Michigan State University.
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Speaker 5: So a strategic alliance, shall we say.
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Speaker 2: I was very relieved when you said you were in Michigan, said I can handle SPARTI I can handle little brother.
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Speaker 3: It's that blue Yellow team up. No, I don't like it's the only reason he's here. If I was a Michigan grad, you wouldn't even walk in the studio. We'll take this time out, we'll come back. We'll connect with ash App on the other side. Also, Tricia Calvaret say was scheduled to be here early as we talked about the role of women in politics here in the state of Colorado. Tricia running herself in the fourth Congressional District thrice, I might add, and Jonathan, of course, his wife Deborah running both in a US Senate race and a race for that fourth Congressional district seat in the Republican primary last time around against Lauren Bobert, who came into that district from the third won the primary, and Deborah had a lot of thoughts in the aftermath of that race. We'll be joined by all of the above, including Jonathan Flora after this time out on Ryan Schuling Live. You know this includes Shanman too on the other side of the Detroit connection to don't do shake your head. No, I'm talking about the ac DC, the electricity of this all what I like to call this consortium everybody that comes on this show as a contributing panelist, the Island of misfit toys like from Rudolph the Red Nose Rain here and I'm Hermie. No, I'm Yukon Cornelia. That's good to qualify you look like Hermie the dentist. We're gonna go with Johonnifer and Flora, Tricia Calvaretes and study a little bit early for her.
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Speaker 5: Is it too early? Are you wearing?
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Speaker 6: The boat's okay?
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Speaker 7: So we're all stuck on this island together now, good morning.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of doing just that, she resembles a Valkyrie warrior herself, and she joins us with her latest for her substack Ash in America.
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Speaker 5: You got to say it like George W. Bush to add a little emphasis to it.
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Speaker 3: Tina Peters moves to disqualify Judge Matthew Barrett in a move that you and I had predicted, although it wasn't a very difficult prediction. Ash up, this seems to be the first step in that process.
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Speaker 5: Can you give us the latest?
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Speaker 1: Sure, So, thanks for having me, and so Tina Peters moved yesterday to disqualify Judge Barrett. We expected this, Peter Tickton told us on Tuesday that it was imminent. They've also moved for a rehearing last week, as we talked about. So there's multiple moving parts to this, and there's dependencies in place. So the.
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Speaker 8: Move to disqual Barrett.
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Speaker 1: Disqualified Bart is the next step in the resentencing that the Court of Appeals ordered earlier this month, and that he appears to be posturing to deny that request. He's asked the people to respond he's, you know, using language that makes them sound very fair and impartial. So we'll see what happens there. She's also renewed her motion for bond pending appeal, so I think we expect that to be denied. And then one of the parts of the conversation we have with Ticton on Tuesday that was interesting is it's been kind of ambiguous as to whether they were going to appeal the state Colorado State's first treatment of the presidential pardon and then the Colorado Court of Appeals denial of that. Peter Tickton said absolutely on the show on Tuesday, So that'll be interesting to see.
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Speaker 3: So walk us through this, putting a fine point on an ash that this decision am I hearing this phrase sounds comical that Judge Barrett would decide on his own fate as to whether he should be removed or recused from presiding over this.
00:19:15
Speaker 5: Do I have that right? And then it would be that's right.
00:19:18
Speaker 1: And that's what came out of the Colorado Court of Appeals. So there was a bunch of emotional outrage on the internet after the decision came down, saying there the you know, the Court of Appeals was saying that Matthew Barrett needed to rule on or needed to be the finder effect on the rehearing the resentencing.
00:19:38
Speaker 8: That wasn't exactly correct.
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Speaker 1: It was just, you know, like I said, emotion The what the Court of Appeals said was that it has to be decided in the state court, in the district court first, and then they can hear whether or not to disqualify him if he decides to not recuse himself.
00:19:53
Speaker 8: So this is exactly what we would have expected.
00:19:57
Speaker 1: To happen, happening quickly in Mason County, ASH in.
00:20:03
Speaker 5: America, dot substack dot com.
00:20:05
Speaker 3: One final jumping off point into our conversation here about girl power in politics in the state of Colorado. Trish Calvarety, Jonathan Flora of course the lesser half of the Deborah Flora dynamic and combo there. But for you, Ash, We've talked about this part too, that Tina Peters in large part, has been a scapegoat in this whole thing, not to say, you know, set aside whether or not you think she's guilty or should pay a price, or should serve some time, But nobody else has. Mike Lindell maybe wrote a shack. He was able to walk away scott free. You've got other principal players in this entire thing. That you've had these jailhouse conversations exclusively with Tina and her feelings about being left hanging out to dry in this your view on the role of women in politics, whether it's her, whether it's you and the political sphere and the blog sphere. I know you you're isolated a lot of times, like the token female.
00:20:53
Speaker 5: Could you give us some thoughts on that part of it.
00:20:57
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, like everything else, that comes down to the content, the quality of work, whatever domain you're in, the competence and quality of work that you're doing.
00:21:05
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna you know, I don't.
00:21:08
Speaker 1: I think the role of women in politics needs to be competence and we need to pick the right.
00:21:14
Speaker 8: Person for the job regardless.
00:21:16
Speaker 1: But I'll just before you'll let me go, just to comment really quickly because I think it's sort of related. On your two prior guests earlier in the show, shout out to Greg Lopez for being the only candidate in the gubernatorial race on any side talking about the proper orientation of government and its limitations. Was refreshing to hear him say that. And then I don't know if you caught it, this goes to women in politics, kind of the inverse of what I just said about competence. At the end of your interview with Wilson, he sort of implied that as Attorney General he would support a criminal investigation and prosecution against Jenna Griswold that should win him the race in my opinion.
00:21:48
Speaker 3: All right, Ash Epp She joins this for Ash Tuesdays on the regular eight am hour on Tuesdays on this program. Ash, thanks for the updated always appreciate your time. Thanks guys, Trichy calv Raising turn to you right now. The Republican Party may be in the verge of nominating a woman as their nominee for the second consecutive election cycle as Governor Heidigenall and I would say the betting odds favorite would be Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. Why has your Democratic Party not nominated a woman ever for that office when in my home state of Michigan, not only have we had two nominees from the Democratic side, but two winners Jennifer Granholme and Gretchen Wimmer.
00:22:23
Speaker 6: Yes, well, that I mean, and that could change.
00:22:25
Speaker 7: We see Julie taking on taking Looper, So that's a I mean, that's a.
00:22:30
Speaker 6: But yeah.
00:22:31
Speaker 7: But I mean, that's that's a great point. And you know, I back in the day, I actually worked at the Women's Campaign Forum, which was the one of the oldest packs in the country dedicating to getting women elected to both parties, so to do either Republican or Democrats getting women elected, supporting women in politics. So I personally, I think on your side in terms of your candidates I think Barb is heads and shoulders above the others.
00:22:57
Speaker 6: Frankly, so, I think she's your strongest candidate.
00:22:59
Speaker 3: Turning the Jonathan for a moment. Now your wife, of course, my good friend, and she's on right side of Hollywood every Friday, it's one of the most popular hours on this program. Deborah Flora has run for US Senate, has run for US House, same seat, I might add, coincidentally, the Trisha has run for in the fourth congressional district. From your standingpoint, you got a front row seat, Jonathan to all of this. What do you observe to be the unique challenges that Deborah has faced as a female candidate for office?
00:23:24
Speaker 2: If any yes, And if I can quickly comment on the way you introduced me earlier when I was a producer with Walt Disney Studios. When we first got married, Deborah was Jonathan's wife.
00:23:34
Speaker 5: It took about a year and I was Deborah's husband. There you go, I'm her arm candy, I'm her chick wife. We'll go with dude. Thank you. I appreciate that. But here's the thing.
00:23:47
Speaker 2: You know, I will never vote or not vote for anybody based on their gender, or their skin color or whatever box that.
00:23:55
Speaker 5: You need to set. So when Deborah ran for Senate earlier on, she was the only female.
00:24:00
Speaker 2: That's right, And several advisors and consultant says, you need to play the female card, you need to go there.
00:24:06
Speaker 5: She goes, I don't.
00:24:06
Speaker 2: Want anybody voting me before me because I'm a female. I'm the best candidate. I've got the best platform. I've got the best ideas and visions. That's why you vote for me. And we see that so often. And you know, and the whole Victor Marx thing, him doing that one on one with Scott Bonhams, it's interesting. If you want to play the female card, why is he ignoring the female Barb will not say that.
00:24:29
Speaker 5: No, and I find that a very stand up way.
00:24:32
Speaker 2: But you know I and again, I speak as the candidate, and I like to speak I'm sorry, as the espousal candidate and on the campaign trail and even now I like to talk to the spouses of candidates, especially the male spouses of female candidates, because men are wired a certain way. We want to protect our woman and things get said. Believe me, there's people I want to punch in the throat, but I can't there's things I want to say, but I can't. My wife needs to say that because if I said anything, well, why are you speaking.
00:25:02
Speaker 5: For your wife?
00:25:02
Speaker 2: Exactly, He's got to speak, And so we have to sit back and be quiet and support her and make sure she's got a nice margarita when we get home late at night.
00:25:10
Speaker 3: I like that plan, and I get the conundrum that you must feel like you're in you can't win either way. Yeah, like either you stand on principle as Deborah's husband and you want to be the man, you want to be the alpha, get in there. But then when if you do that, well, she needs Jonathan to come to the rescue, and you don't win either way.
00:25:27
Speaker 5: There, you don't. And physically is the only way.
00:25:30
Speaker 2: When we were at these big events, and we went to so many events, all right, So.
00:25:35
Speaker 5: Again we went to events.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: I went to probably ninety something percent of her events, yes, and just in Vince in general, for a candidate, Debora went to everything she physically could. And I was amazed how sometimes she could be at two places at once so much. We were just talking off the air. She we was stopping a diner coffee shops where there's nine twelve people hear what they've got to say, what's concerning their lives, what keeps them up at night. But I would have her six like I can see when somebody would maybe be getting a little too close or too aggressive. I'll stand in and I'm big enough to make a presence, but I can Paul drink of water. I am you know, was there six y three over there once upon a time? I'm down to six?
00:26:15
Speaker 5: Two happens later in life. I was the Yes, jumping out of planes will compress some discs.
00:26:22
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, but no, it's something and we have to stand back and blieve me.
00:26:27
Speaker 5: Our women are strong.
00:26:29
Speaker 2: Any woman that runs and gets in this race, they're going to be held to different standards.
00:26:33
Speaker 5: We can show up dressed one way. Somebody else is going.
00:26:36
Speaker 2: To criticize how woman's dressed, you know, too much makeup her hair, skirts, too short, you know, just ridiculous stuff. They are held to a different standard, and I don't think that's right either.
00:26:46
Speaker 3: We're gonna take Tricia's perspective on this when we come back and take this time out Tricia Calvarets. Of course, Thursdays with Tricia coming up at nine o'clock, She's working over time.
00:26:55
Speaker 5: We're paying her for it. Wait, not exactly at all.
00:26:58
Speaker 3: And Jonathan Flora in studio, well, no, we're happy to be here.
00:27:02
Speaker 5: She didn't pay.
00:27:03
Speaker 3: The smiles and rainbows is what I promised her, and she said, yes, I'll take that and we'll have more of it after this.
00:27:08
Speaker 5: On Ryan Schuling Life.
00:27:11
Speaker 3: Women in Colorado Politics. Well we've got one of them right here, Tricia Calvaretes. And she is a regular contributor Thursdays with Tricia during nine o'clock hour.
00:27:19
Speaker 5: She's here early.
00:27:20
Speaker 3: Jonathan Flora, the husband of Deborah Flora, who has run twice, once for US Senate, one for US House. And I want to build off a point Jonathan was making going into the break and Tricia, you and I have had these conversations about your runs for office.
00:27:33
Speaker 5: You're young, you're vibrant, you're an attractive woman.
00:27:36
Speaker 3: People notice this, but people think that's a positive, and it should be, and maybe it is, but then there's.
00:27:42
Speaker 5: The judgment that comes along with that.
00:27:43
Speaker 3: And one of the things I'm just gonna let you take it from here that I remember you saying is that you've.
00:27:47
Speaker 5: Gotten the I don't want to call it hate mail, but.
00:27:49
Speaker 3: Like whether it's a text or an email or some kind of post that says you look like a Fox News anchor. And this is countering where they call represented Lauren Bobert a Maga Barbie or whatever. Take us through exactly what the experience has been like where you're basically judged on your appearance. I know this is going to sound, oh, she's a pretty woman, what does she complain about?
00:28:08
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, the.
00:28:09
Speaker 7: Judgment no matter what, no matter what you do, because as famously as I have explained the story before, I accidentally self inflicted a mullet before.
00:28:18
Speaker 6: I ran in twenty twenty four. Leave that up to the professionals.
00:28:22
Speaker 7: And then, of course, you know, trying to trying to cover up the crime made it worse. So uh yeah, so really I had a really bad haircut.
00:28:29
Speaker 6: Let me just say that first, I thank you, but I kind of look like.
00:28:32
Speaker 7: A Mappa baby and I would get I would get like, you know, like all kinds of interesting comments comparing me to different things on the internet, and you know, my hair grew out so this for this last run and we're you know, I would still get feedback.
00:28:47
Speaker 6: Let's call it.
00:28:48
Speaker 7: That are the critical eye of our voters, our feedback of just being like, well, now your hair is it's just it's pretty, and that's the problem.
00:28:55
Speaker 6: So, you know, no matter what you.
00:28:56
Speaker 7: Do, you look like a mapa baby, your hair looks good. You're You're gonna always get that kind of feedback, which I don't. I don't think our male counterparts necessarily for that.
00:29:04
Speaker 5: We don't.
00:29:04
Speaker 6: Oh my god, if you're you know, you're tall, you have you know, like a like a nice forehead, You're you're great. Yeah, ten out of ten.
00:29:10
Speaker 3: Well, and the other part comment you would get is the age concerned thing. Oh I thought you were a lot younger. I didn't realize you can I say, are age thirty nine? You know, and like now, okay, now I'll consider you. But I thought you were like twenty seven or whatever.
00:29:21
Speaker 6: I thank you. I'm really shure that. Guys, Yeah exactly.
00:29:24
Speaker 7: But where you have to you know, let them know like your age, your back, you know, and where I really made a point to, you know, talk about my credentials, my background, my experience where you know, I don't want to talk about me. I don't want to have to constantly establish that, like I want to hear from people like what are you experiencing?
00:29:37
Speaker 6: What do you need? So that's just kind of you know, you.
00:29:40
Speaker 7: Always try to turn it back on like the purpose of what you're doing, but the feedback, it's constant.
00:29:44
Speaker 6: People have very specific ideas I think.
00:29:46
Speaker 8: Of, you know, of what they want.
00:29:48
Speaker 6: And you know, I will give a shout out to Lauren Bobert. You know, she has taken so much crap. Oh yeah, so much.
00:29:54
Speaker 7: You know, there's plenty, plenty of areas to actually, you know, criticize her that I think are merited. But you know, there would be times too on the Internet where I would just read comments and I'm like, are they is.
00:30:04
Speaker 6: That horrible thing about her? About me?
00:30:05
Speaker 7: Like where you can't even tell it's just like, you know, hating on the young women. So her being in office I think made it a heck of a lot easier for me to run.
00:30:13
Speaker 2: And we never had any candidates on our side criticized the way that Bobert dresses.
00:30:18
Speaker 3: No, no, come on, well never Yeah, And I'll talk to Deborah about this probably tomorrow on right side of Hollywood is it'll tie in nicely to our conversation here. But from your perspective, Jonathan, you know, First of all, you lucked out. Let's let's let's do that way out of my species. You hit the jackpot. But here's Deborah. I got this Miss Colorado right, Yes.
00:30:42
Speaker 2: I can run her up Miss America. Okay, to pick any universities she wanted to go to. I went to the one that accepted me. So we're a lot alike.
00:30:52
Speaker 3: So right, So again again this is going to sound comical to some, but like Tricia, you know, Deborah very attractive woman, and it's and she's striking, but an image that in some ways she has to overcome because is she just another pretty face? Is that's why you know? She's telegenic. So she's out there, she's a candidate, but what does she really know? What has that process been like for her to try to kind of counter that?
00:31:12
Speaker 2: People will say that on still photos, then when you watch or speak, they're like, okay, there's substance there, there's strengths, there's wisdom.
00:31:20
Speaker 5: She knows how to communicate.
00:31:21
Speaker 2: But I remember one specific time online of course, and she's laying out her platform and a comment is what's with the bangs?
00:31:30
Speaker 4: Good lord?
00:31:31
Speaker 6: If you want to be a woman with thanks and run for office?
00:31:37
Speaker 7: If you if you want some feedback from the internet, because yeah, they feel very strongly about them.
00:31:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was debating on cracking a joke, but I'm gonna go with it because Ray is here.
00:31:46
Speaker 5: When we met you at a Memorial Day.
00:31:48
Speaker 7: Event, You're probably who's the smuppet baby?
00:31:52
Speaker 5: She's pretty cool. But what's with the hair? I'm not totally kidding, totally kidding.
00:31:59
Speaker 2: You owned it, thank you. There you go, she did no, but that is something that people have. And then if you're the other way, people are going, Wow, I just can't look at this person now, Ice, I can't hear what she's saying.
00:32:10
Speaker 5: Because I can't get past her looks. You know.
00:32:13
Speaker 2: So you're women have a challenge that most guys do, not whether you're very attractive or not so attractive.
00:32:20
Speaker 5: Now, really it's all about substance, isn't it. Well that's what we hope that.
00:32:23
Speaker 3: That's where I'm going with Trisha here, is that there comes a point and I've described you much the same way that I do a sheriff Jason Mike Soul. There are other candidates that Hey, the more that this person is seen and heard by the public by voters and forums and debates, the more that they are.
00:32:38
Speaker 5: Liked and a novel concept.
00:32:40
Speaker 3: Well, I think that applies to you too, Trisia. And just if you could describe those breakthrough moments where you show up an event and maybe they initially judge you on appearance or make assumptions about you, and you're able to cut through that clutter, that white noise and connect with the voter.
00:32:55
Speaker 5: How are you able to do that?
00:32:56
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's especially the spaces you show up into, right Like I remember there was one forum and it was specifically like a Republican forum up in Sterling, and.
00:33:06
Speaker 6: I crashed it.
00:33:06
Speaker 7: I showed up and said Hi, I'm here, and I'd like to talk that the assembling right well, but like yeah, exactly, but showing up in those spaces and being like, look, I'm going to show you I'm a I'm a normal person.
00:33:17
Speaker 6: Here's my ideas.
00:33:18
Speaker 7: Question me, you like, poke holes in it and let's find that common ground, like by constantly showing up though, I think that that's the really big key is just you keep showing up in a spaces where whether.
00:33:28
Speaker 3: You're invited or not, speaking of normal So Victor Marx and we were talking about this during the break and the dynamic between him and his wife Eileen, and the part that just makes me every time he goes.
00:33:39
Speaker 5: Well my bride and like, wow, bra, that is creepy.
00:33:43
Speaker 3: Af Can you break that down for us a little bit, Jonathan, because you've been in that sphere, But this kind of is the reverse.
00:33:50
Speaker 5: Victor's the candidate.
00:33:51
Speaker 3: Eileen is the bride, I guess is what he's he's calling her your thoughts.
00:33:56
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting too because we had talked about how certain cadates they are who they are and who they married might be who they are also sure you know, and so I've seen somewhere and again it's more times where it's a female candidate than a male where you can see the male is living vicariously through the female candidate. They're pulling the strings. It's their statements. They're the campaign manager. I certainly had a viewpoint in both of my wife's campaigns, but I was not the campaign manager. I was maybe her number one consultant, but she had her team, so the decision ultimately was going to be hers and her teams. And you can see that sometimes and again we don't always know what's behind, but when you're at certain events you can see interactions, you can see physical movement, you can see the way that people talk. So sometimes it is the that's the spouse that could be living vicariously through the candidate. And then there's other times where you see, no, the candidate is strong. He or she can stand on her own. She's going to make her decisions. And that's the kind of person that you're looking for. Even if you just agree with their opinions, if they believe in it and they're honest about it, I respect that, and then we can sit down and have a beer. Let's talk about it.
00:35:08
Speaker 5: How many years have you been married? Will be twenty six in July.
00:35:12
Speaker 6: The secret, what's the secret?
00:35:14
Speaker 5: Marry your best friend? For us?
00:35:16
Speaker 2: For us, we center around our faith, and so that was one of the elements that we had in being a best friend is because we related than that. But it's it's marry your best friend. And here's here's the number one advice. When you are together as a couple and there's an issue, a problem, whatever that might be, make sure that you two are standing on the opposite side of that problem.
00:35:37
Speaker 5: Do not let that line get between you.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: Whether it's finances, whether it's a car, whether it's are you gonna wear that shirt when you go out tonight? You know, whatever it might be. Remember, you guys are a team. For Debor and I were wrapped around our faith and you face the problem together.
00:35:52
Speaker 5: Don't let that problem get.
00:35:53
Speaker 2: Between you, so smart, don't say anything you can't take back.
00:35:58
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good one.
00:35:59
Speaker 2: Those words that come out of your mouth, you can your spouse can forgive and forget.
00:36:04
Speaker 5: It is still going to be there somewhere, So just don't ever say it.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: A sage will still go on and on. So read the book when it comes out, which we're not writing.
00:36:11
Speaker 5: Twenty six years.
00:36:13
Speaker 3: I've got to trust in this guy, like I said, hashtag life goals when I look at you, so is the guy aspiring to be a smart man like you.
00:36:18
Speaker 5: I'm going to give the lady the final word here on the subject.
00:36:22
Speaker 7: So I mean, just shout out to debraah and all the badass women who have stepped up right. Well, that's as a young woman like shout out to the women who've come before too. It makes it a heck of a lot easier. And that was one of my favorite things too on the trailers, just meeting like girls who just would see like, oh, it's so cool you're running, and it'd be like yeah, and you're going to run too.
00:36:39
Speaker 6: So just shout out to all the badass women in Colorado.
00:36:42
Speaker 5: She is one of them as well. Although modest.
00:36:44
Speaker 3: Tricia Calvarez a badass woman and she's got a full hour straight ahead Thursdays with Trisha, we're going to break it down. She was on with Matt Marral Fox thirty one during this campaign for an interview. We're going to compare and contrast that with the recent appearance of one Yes Victor Marks with the same Matt Morrow. So those are the constants in the equation, the variables where Tricia and Victor will break it down when we come back after this Sun Ryan's shiling life
