Understanding Catholicism with Evan Schumann

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Hey guys, welcome back.
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Robert the Realist Podcast today.
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And I told you in the first podcast that in the second one I would be wearing the same exact clothing because I double and Gia is too.
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I guess I forgot to throw that out there.
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Hey, we did change laptops though.
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The devil didn't want the other one to work, so it's not.
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But yeah, so we're doubling up today because I double booked us, which is fine.
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And to get us started, per usual, we got Jia.
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Yay!
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And today we have one of many Schuman legends.
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Schumann legends.
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Anybody anybody knows the shoe?
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Everybody knows the Schumann.
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So we got one of the legends on here today, and we'll just kind of talk about why he's on there today.
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His name's Evan, too, by the way.
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Hi, Evan.
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Hi.
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Yeah.
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He shot me a text and said he had listened to one of our podcasts about Catholicism, which I'm doing better with that word.
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I couldn't say it the first time.
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Very proud.
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And uh he just had a few things that he wanted to kind of go over with us, and I said, Man, save it.
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Come on the podcast.
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Let's talk about it.
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Because Gia had shared about her Catholic Catholicism 10 years ago, and I knew a little bit about what I did, you know, just from going to church there when my daughter was going to school there, etc.
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But he had some things that he kind of wanted, he's like, hey man, you know this.
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I'm like, nah, save it.
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Because it needs to be on the podcast.
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Because you, you know, I again being transparent.
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I don't have anything against Catholicism, Catholics, the way they do things.
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Nothing.
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I promise you.
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It's like, you know, I go to FLF and I've had really good friends that go to FLF, and I've had really good friends leave FLF and go to Redeemer, and then they come to me and they go, hey man, I want to talk to you about something.
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We're gonna go to Redeemer.
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I want this to hurt our friends.
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I'm like, what do you mean to hurt our friendship?
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It's all the same person.
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We're this way.
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Like, I don't care if it's Redeemer FLF, uh St.
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Pious.
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I don't care, right?
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We're all we're all looking at the same person.
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So I've asked Evan to come on here on the podcast, and I'm gonna let him start one of two ways.
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One, he can tell us a little bit about himself and and how he grew up in it, or two, we can just get right in the meat and potatoes and we can talk about some of the things that we talked about on the podcast with Gia that I might have to clear up a little bit.
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Pull it up and refresh some of those thoughts that I had.
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Yeah.
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But uh let's just talk about you for a minute.
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What about me?
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Yeah.
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Uh as he said, I'm one of many Schumans.
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Um how many Schumans?
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Well, uh, there's five of us.
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My my brothers and I think there's five of us included.
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I've got uh a lot of cousins, extended relatives, and then just in my immediate family.
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Let's see, my brother, my oldest brother Mitch has a whole army of kids.
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Um Austin's got a couple boys, Jack's got a few kiddos.
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My youngest brother Lane is just recently married, and so the family's growing time.
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But uh yeah.
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And they're all ballers.
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Well, we can give or take.
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Yeah, Saturday morning we play ball, uh, the Schumann Scrimmage League.
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Talk to Austin, the GM.
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It's it's they keep they got stats.
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Yeah, it's I'm like, what do you guys?
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How do you do that?
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Like my boys are sending me their stats like they're in a high school.
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And then he goes back and watches it and plays it through in stats and that's so cool.
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It is it is crazy.
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Yeah, I'm looking at my boys and they're sending me their stats.
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I'm like, and and it's normal now, but when they first sent them, I'm like, who is that?
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He's like, I did a I had a double double today.
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I'm like, how do you know that?
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And they're like, oh, they've got the stats.
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Send them out.
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It's top tier.
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It's awesome, dude.
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Yeah, I love it.
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No, so yeah, uh, one of many Schumann's.
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Um, I grew up here in Moberly as my hometown.
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Grew up going to St.
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Pius, went to K through eight there, went to Mobile High School, stayed on fire for my faith.
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Just awesome.
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Jesus guiding my life all through public high school.
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And then it was it was kind of wild going from St.
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Pius.
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I was gonna ask you.
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Being so immersed in it.
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Being so immersed in it and going to a public high school, it was vastly different for me.
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I mean, it's all I knew.
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Small classes, uh going to going to mass every day, mostly every day, yeah, and then to not and then not being able to vocally pray, like at the regular times that I always prayed at St.
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Pi.
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So that was definitely a culture shock for me.
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Clung to my faith though, you know.
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I I stayed rooted.
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The biggest part of my life was my faith.
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Graduated high school, went to MACC, did two years there, just general studies, trying to figure out where God was taking me in life.
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Graduated there, took a year off, and then I enrolled at State Tech in Lynn, Missouri.
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I like art, I like to create, and so they had a new digital marketing program.
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Oh, yeah.
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And so I did the two years there, focusing on graphic design, graduated there, and no place would hire me for graphic design because I didn't have the years of experience that they wanted me to have.
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That's crazy.
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That's the worst part about any sort of graphic design, digital marketing.
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Which is so funny.
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I told you beforehand I'm I don't like technology.
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Uh, and then I was getting a degree in digital marketing graphics.
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It's different though.
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It's different.
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It really is.
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I was definitely focused on the art side of things.
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I love I love I love art.
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And I thought I was gonna do something with that.
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Uh, but then the director of religious education job opened up at St.
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Pius, home church, homeschool.
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And a priest at the time, he said, Do you want to be a part of the team?
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I'm like, I I mean, I went to school for graphic design.
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He's like, so what?
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Yeah.
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So I prayed about it, and you know, it it truly seemed like God was putting it on my heart to come back to my roots.
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Yeah.
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Which, and which, oddly enough, in the in my stint to MACC, I I worked as a part-time custodian at St.
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Pius.
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So it's kind of full circle.
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I was saying, student, custodian.
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Now I now I teach uh theology to the kids at the school, and then I I work for the church part of things.
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I oversee just kind of the the faith formation of the of the whole church community.
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And it's a blessing.
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Uh it's everything that I never realized God was calling me to.
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And it's definitely a discernment thing.
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Like we're big in the in the Catholic faith, we're big on discernment, like intentionally praying and seeing where God is calling you to.
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And I I praise him because he has me right where he wants me to.
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It's a blessing.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, that's really awesome.
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Yeah, but that and that's kind of where I'm at right now.
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Oh, and I'm you know what furthering my knowledge of God, not that knowledge is everything, but I'm studying theology online at Franciscan University in Studentville, Ohio.
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Shout out to a great university.
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Yeah, that's awesome.
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Yeah.
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Just trying to understand who God is more because it's a relation thing.
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It's a the whole story of the Bible is covenantal relationship.
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Yeah.
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I'm being united with God, coming together with God.
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And so I'm just trying to learn more as much as I can about who he is.
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And I told you at the beginning of this that today I'd probably sit back and let you two kind of speak, and I'm gonna get educated.
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Duke it out, just get it.
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Yeah, he said he said when he came in here he was going to fight, and I was like, it's a girl.
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He's like, maybe not.
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We're just kidding.
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Maybe not.
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The complete opposite.
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The complete opposite.
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And I said it'll be the complete opposite.
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Like in that podcast, I couldn't even say the word Catholicism.
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Catholicism, yeah.
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So that showed people where I was at on it.
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And then and I'm new to faith too.
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I might have, you know, been going to FLF for 15 years.
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And yeah, when I say that to me, it's like, but probably five years.
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You know, I was attending for 10.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Hey, you could say attending or pretending.
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Yeah.
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So um, you know, it's not until probably the last three to five years that I've really dug into the religion and the the Christianity and reading the entire Bible and putting myself in that place.
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And just probably a couple months ago, my prayer started to be, you know, more of just surrender.
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So, which was it was weird, and I talked about that one of the podcasts so I won't do it again.
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It's it's kind of odd to say that because I I I think, and it's it might be weird, but I think people want to look at me differently.
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Like just because I said that I am I want to surrender my life to God and everything to God, that I should automatically be put on this pedestal of perfectionism, and that I you know what I mean.
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I can't I can't curse or I can't do you know what I mean.
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I talk about Christianity being tough, but I think me saying that out loud, which is tough for me to say to people because it makes it even tougher, you know, to be a Christian, especially when you say, and I got that from Pad Gwinter, the whole surrender thing when he started talking about in one of his small groups or on the podcast one, he was talking about.
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Yeah, like fully surrendered everything to him.
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And I'm a true believer that I only have everything that I have because of God.
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I do, I give it all to him, like it is.
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Like it's like, thank you, Lord, uh, for the favor, thank you for the for the transaction, thank you for the business, thank you for you know having my kids involved, thank you for allowing us to wake up.
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I mean, I'm like just you know, thanking him.
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Is my prayer just thanks?
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And most of the time it is.
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But um sorry I didn't mean to go off.
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No, that's okay.
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Just to add a big thing about that is also thanking him for the lows, too.
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I've got like if you're just thanking him when it's great.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's it to me, not saying that that's what you do, but that's what I found.
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You know, it's no, it's it is because you know, kind of like uh the gentleman was just sitting here in the podcast before you, um, you know, he's he's at rock bottom.
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He's he's at very rock bottom.
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And but he still had his faith.
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Yeah.
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Which was chilling to me because like you said, um it's the lows when we're going, okay.
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Well, it's a low.
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I'm I'm low.
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Where are you at now, God?
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Where are you at now, Jesus?
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Why are you know why am I going through this?
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Why am I doing this?
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Well, to me, and I've been through quite a few lows in my lifetime, it's it's what brings us and makes the highs feel even better.
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Absolutely.
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It makes us, and you know, we we're in that low, it's tough.
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Allows us to realize our need for grace.
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That's right, grace, faith can't do it alone.
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Exactly.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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And that's what I I that's the part I love about Christianity, and I and I see it a little better than some people, and I'm not saying I'm any better or any worse than anybody, but I see it like when the lows are there, I get it.
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I'm like that's the scariest part to me.
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Is I think Pat asked me one day, or Pat Gwinter asked me about um what do you say?
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Am I scared to die, or am I scared of how?
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I wasn't scared to die, I was scared of how I would die.
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And probably that and the second scariest thing is something happening to a real close family member.
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Like my father died probably six months ago.
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Um didn't really have a relationship with him.
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He was in prison for 20 years, came out, talked to him a little bit, he found God in there, they all do.
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And I just what I hoped from when he he passed away is that he you know made it to heaven.
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That's that's what was my hope.
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Like that was my prayer for him.
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That's one of the lows, but I'm always worried how will the low, low, lows affect the family and the faith.
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Yeah, and so I always try to prepare myself for that.
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We're not getting out of here alive.
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Pray for the grace to suffer well.
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Yeah, I like that.
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That's at least a mindset I try to adopt.
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Because we're all gonna suffer, it's a universal thing.
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Yeah, getting it as in a learning experience too, is always a good thing.
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Always a good thing.
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Yeah, man, I was kind of making this about me.
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I was supposed to sit back and educate today.
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Get educated today.
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Let's talk about Catholicism.
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So, do you remember any of the podcast things you were talking about?
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Do you remember?
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Because you said you were gonna have some notes that you're gonna talk about.
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Yeah, you're good.
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One of them was uh baptism for the forgiveness of sins, I think.
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Yeah, that was one point that I did have where it was like um I was baptized as a baby, and like before like literally like a month, fresh out the womb, fresh out the womb.
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But I was always confused on why it has to be so early.
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Yeah, because I've heard people say in my lifetime, my grandma, she is very much grown-up Italian Catholic, she is very, very Catholic.
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Sure, I remember you saying it's a pretty best friend, I love her, but but she's always said like you cannot go to heaven without baptism, sure, sure, and that's how she's always seen it.
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So I didn't know if that was something that was like universal uh with all Catholics and Catholicism.
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Because I'm like I said, I don't know a ton about it.
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I know the basics.
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I stopped doing anything with Catholicism whenever I was 13.
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Tough word.
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Very whenever I was 13, and then I stepped away from that church and didn't believe in anything, which is a really weird part of my life until I found FLF.
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And then I was able to kind of ground myself again and go back and look at everything.
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So well, I appreciated you sharing your your story, and I I didn't, you know, when I reached out to Bobby, I I told him I'm not trying to discount anything that you said.
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Um, but just being it that I'm immersed in in all things, the Catholic faith, I just offered some of my perspective.
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100% in the education, I I want the education.
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Being able to have that education is always good.
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Well, and you know, if you don't mind, there's a few nuances to this idea of uh salvation by baptism.
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Obviously, God is God and He's almighty and sovereign, and He's not bound uh by His.
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We call them sacraments in the Catholic faith.
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There's the seven sacraments, and these are visible signs of invisible reality, right?
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They apply uh a spiritual reality using physical things.
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We know that Jesus knows that we are physical creatures and it helps us to connect with, I think, the divine when he gives us these invisible realities.
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So, like for example, for example, baptism uses water, a physical thing, to symbolize a washing, a cleansing.
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And so, like I said, there's some nuances to that.
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And you pose the question, why baptize so young?
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And that's a valid question from the Catholic perspective.
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We believe in a concept called original sin.
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Um through the fall of Adam and Eve, they kind of fractured, they ripped the fabric of humanity, um, and we inherit kind of a fallen nature.
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It's kind of obvious too.
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When you when you look at humankind, we what do we grow up to do?
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We grow up and we tend to choose the wrong thing.
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We all do.
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Yeah, we all do.
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And so we see that as this fallen nature, that original sin that we all inherit, that all needs to be it needs to be wiped away.
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So that's reason number one.
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That's like a basic reason why we baptize infants to wipe that original sin away, claim that child for Christ, and then God looks at them and adopts them as his beloved son or daughter.
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So is it kind of like um Ephelep does this thing called child dedication where they'll go up on the platform and like we'll pray over their the child and like kind of put them on the path of Jesus?
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Is that kind of like not really necessarily the same thing, but the same concept?
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I guess the concept would be similar, yeah, but it wouldn't be what we consider baptism.
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Yes, yeah.
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Because we believe you could be baptized an infant or an adult.
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You know, we have every Easter we have several um join our church through baptism.
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But tagging on to that, the aspect of baptizing infants, look at the old covenant, right?
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In the old testament, how did how did one become a part of God's covenantal family?
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It was circumcision, and that was exclusive only to boys, eight days old.
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Yeah.
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And if they weren't instituted as part of the covenant, they were cut off of the covenant.
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Yeah.
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Um, and so we apply that looking forward to the new covenant, the new testament, right?
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When when Jesus, and St.
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Paul talks about this in Colossians, those of you who were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death.
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We see that as this um kind of, hey, it's a it's a sign.
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A baptism does something kind of remarkable, it enters one into the covenant.
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Everyone, boys and girls.
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It's not exclusive to just eight-day-old boys, it's for everyone.
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Christ came for everyone.
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And that's a cool thing about the word Catholic itself.
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It means universal.
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It means for all.
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And that is that that's what we believe Christ came for all, not just adults, right?
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We see in uh Acts, the the book of Acts many episodes where entire households are being baptized, and we we kind of infer from that.
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You know, it's not explicit that they baptize infants, but it you know, but it doesn't imply that they weren't.
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And some some early church uh history kind of reveals that to us.
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We we kind of pay attention to what happened in early Christianity.
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We see these entire households are being baptized, infants were probably included in that.
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They were becoming a part of the covenantal family, the new covenant through Christ, through Jesus Christ.
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And then one more little aspect to that, there's a passage, and I'm probably gonna it's Luke chapter 18, I think.
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Uh the people are bringing, and it says, even infants to him.
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And the disciples are like, No, no, no, no, no, no.
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And Jesus says, No, hold up, let them come to me.
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Even infants.
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How can infants come to Jesus if if you know parents aren't bringing them to him?
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Right.
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And so, you know, those those are a few kind of aspects to the the question.
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Right.
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And maybe they shed some light.
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I would say I'm I'm I was baptized as a baby too, November 27th, 1999, and I I told my mom and dad uh a few years ago just thank you.
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Because it claimed me for Christ.
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And I fully believe that.
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Yeah.
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Because that initial outpouring of grace on my soul was we say indelible, permanent, won't go away.
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And I'm I'm eternally grateful for that.
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I'm gonna back up.
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Yeah.
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Because I had a question.
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Um So you said the infants are baptized.
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Is there a certain time frame?
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Is it just a certain time?
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Is it just a just when the parents now some are very like serious about it and they uh they will make it happen as soon as possible.
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My before any of my brothers and I were born, my mom and dad had a had a beautiful daughter, uh, my sister Megan.
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She you know, not to get all all personal, and I you know I always I hope to see, my hope is that I see Megan in heaven.
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Um but she didn't make it.
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Uh she had a I think a hole in her heart, and I don't know all the details.
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Um, but they had her baptized in a hospital.
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Wow because it just yeah it was headed that way.
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Yeah, but you said something that keeps sticking with me, and I'm you'll have to explain it to me, I guess.
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They're baptized to cleanse them of the original sin.
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Help me understand that.
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Since it's a baby.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so yeah, I'll distinguish you hear original sin, you think they didn't do anything.
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Right.
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That's why that's why I'm asking.
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That and that's in Catholic theology, we distinguish between original sin and actual sin.
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Okay.
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Actual sin is what you and I do, what we do right in our daily life.
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We commit actual sins with our free will.
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Original sin is just that fallen nature, that broken, wounded nature Christ wipes at new.
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Okay.
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And we kind of see some foreshadowing in the Old Testament, right?
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Think of the time of Noah.
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Humanity was wicked, fallen, broken.
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Uh God sends a flood, washes it clean, and restores humanity through uh Noah's family.
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We we kind of we call it uh typology.
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There's types of uh certain things.
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So the Old Testament, the the flood was a type of baptism.
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Sorry, I'm using all these big counters.
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No, we're learning today.
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I'll get on I'll get on a tangent.
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Yeah, you're good.
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Yeah, keep going.
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I'll be right back.
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But that's um that's what that's the distinguish between original sin and actual sin.
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Yeah, I just don't, I didn't know when you said that.
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I'm like, they're a baby.
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What what sin are we talking?
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You know, no, I'm glad you had me clarify that.
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Yeah, yeah, because I'm thinking, did they sin already?
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Like it's not their fault that Adam and Eve did what they did.
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So I mean, come on, easy, you know.
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So but no, and I but it because that's why I'm glad she asked the question first about what we do out there with the baby dedications.
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Uh, you know, again, because I was asking you about the timelines or is there's a certain time, which those two kind of go hand in hand with you know there's the same, but they're basically, you know, and Pastor Vic uses the holy water and you know does the does the cross and all that stuff on the baby.
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So, you know, I I think they're similar, but yeah, that's the original sin part got me.
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I'm like, yeah, poor thing.
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Like, what'd you cuss it or something?
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What did I no?
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I'm just I'm not trying to I'm not trying to make fun of it.
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No, you never know what these babies are now.
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You probably ain't lying.
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Yeah, there's swords occurred.
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No, it's fine.
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I I just I'm glad you clarified that.
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Not that I thought anything was right or wrong, but I just didn't understand what it meant.
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So um, yeah, so baptism, you're feeling there's feeling I'm feeling better about okay.
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Yeah, hopefully that's just some clarification on on the ideas behind our theology behind it.
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Yeah, because she was talking about you know the old the the old whoever the priest or whatever was saying that you're going to hell if I'm like whoa!
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I was really young too.
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It was a lie.
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It was a lot of on behalf of all Catholics, that is not Catholic theology.
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And I know that I've grown up Catholic.
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I know so many Catholics.
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My grandma is one of my bestest friends.
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I absolutely adore that woman, and she's a Catholic.
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Very stubborn, but oh my great-grandmother was a hundred percent.
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She is Catholic through and through.
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I love her.
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They probably have a Latin mass and everything.
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Yeah, yeah, it's the yeah, we're beautiful.
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Yeah, they're my grandma still cracks out her Latin like book that she has, and she'll have me read it, and she'll be like, look, this means this, and I'm like, oh, this is a good thing.
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Oh, don't even get me gone.
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I just I just finished two summers worth of Latin studies at Franciscan just a couple days ago.
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And so now it's I'll see an English word.
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I'm like, I know where that kind of derives from Latin.
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It's it's it's name.
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So the cat Catholicism started from Latin.
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It has Latin root.
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Yeah, when when Christianity took root in In Rome.
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After they survived years of persecutions from Roman emperors, when Christianity actually took root in Rome, they adopted the Latin language, the Roman language, and they adopted it into the worship, the liturgy, the prayers, the songs, and all through up until like the 1960s.
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Really?
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Yeah, there was everything was Latin.
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Wow.
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I did not know that either.
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Everything was Latin.
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So if you if generally if you were Catholic before pre-1960, you were speaking Latin.
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Whether or not you knew what you were saying, you were speaking Latin.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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I mean, because you see the word thrown around a lot, Latin.
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Yeah.
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And that's why I was like, okay, well, it's cool.
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And I'm going to shout out Dr.
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Harwood at Franciscan.
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He told me Latin is a fitting language for the church because it doesn't change, right?
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It's a dead language.
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It doesn't change.
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That's good.
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God doesn't change.
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Yeah.
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So I'm saying that's a fitting language.
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Yeah, very, very much.
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Very much.
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I love that.
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So the language we have now just changing every day.
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Yeah.
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I mean words that don't even make no sense.
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This word like you didn't need to add any words actually.
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Especially that one.
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So that's good though.
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I like that.
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A dead language that it's doesn't change.
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I like that.
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It's good.
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What other um another one was confirmation?
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I didn't think about confirmation.
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I think the first thing is that ordination.
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That's not right.
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Part two.
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Part two.
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I gotta fight the first time, though.
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Oh my god, how many times have I messed up on it?
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Right, right, right, right.
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So that was another one because I was always confused about what confirmation was.
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Obviously, it learned it whenever I was going through everything, but I at that point was so mentally checked out of everything that I think that I just kind of blocked out any sort of education whenever it came to all of the new stuff that I was learning during that period.
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So what exactly does it stand for?
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Like what's the purpose behind it?
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Um, well, here's some Latin origins for you.
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Confirmation literally means strengthening.
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Um, and so confirmation is a sacram one of the sacraments we we have three sacraments of initiation: baptism, confirmation, and the Eucharist, communion.
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Um, and so confirmation is kind of that next step.
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It's a strengthening of the initial outpouring of grace that you receive a baptism, strengthens that uh for you later in your life so that you know you're more properly fit to evangelize and do what Christ commanded.
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Uh Matthew 28, right?
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Go out into the world and preach the gospel, baptize every living creature.
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That's what confirmation does in a basic form.
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It strengthens one with an anointing, with the holy oil, which kind of harkens back again to the Old Testament.
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I mean, it'll they would uh anoint the prophets and the kings, they would pour oil all over them, and that anointing, Messiah literally means anointed.
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So they were like little messiahs prefiguring Christ, the Messiah.
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And so these anointings would set them apart for their mission, their their specific task ordained by God.
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And that's kind of how we apply that to the sacrament of confirmation.
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The bishop, I think you mentioned the bishop confirmed you, he anointed you.
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He said, Be sealed with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and that strengthens you that through that laying out of hands, that anointing with the sacred oil that sets you apart.
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Kind of kind of like those Old Testament prophets and kings to to go out into the world to proclaim the gospel.
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And you mentioned the the patron saint.
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Yeah, we you choose a patron saint, and saint is any man or woman that lived a holy life and that we believe is with God in heaven.
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Saint comes from a Latin word which means holy.
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Uh Sanctus.
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I didn't say because I knew that and I'm learning.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So we believe that the saints are alive in heaven and that they that they are cheering us on, right?
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They're the church triumphant.
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They've they've made it.
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And so we choose a saint that is perhaps particularly close to us.
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My example, I chose Saint Hubert.
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He's the patron saint of hunters.
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Uh I love to hunt, I love to be out in God's country.
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And so when I was confirmed, I chose Saint Hubert to be my patron saint to to ask him to pray for me.
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So there's a lot of cool nuance to it, but that's hopefully does that make sense?
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Yeah, no, 100%.
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Um another thing I wanted to ask about that was why do we choose saints?
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Like why is it like basically our mentor in some sort of aspect or yeah, in a way.
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Uh or spiritual guide.
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Um again, the idea is that you choose a lot of people choose their namesake.
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Like I could have chosen my middle name's Christopher.
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I could have chosen Saint Christopher for that namesake connection.
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Yeah.
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Most people I kind of did the same thing.
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I chose Saint Gemma.
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Okay.
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Um, you choose a saint who might have so I said patron saint of hunting.
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It's something that that saint did or was known for in their life.
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Yeah.
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There are pa there's a patron saint for probably anything under the sun.
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Um and so me when I was uh going through my confirmation classes, that's I just discerned, I looked at who God made me to be, and I chose St.
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Hubert because he was he was known for his uh the legends and the stories around him hunting.
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:12.000
That's awesome.
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.599
So back to me, uh the basic guy.
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:21.359
So where does uh after that confirmation, right?
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:22.799
Confirmation we got the order.
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:23.119
Okay.
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.359
Uh after that you have that saint.
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What where do you use the that saint again?
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:34.720
Yeah, like well, throughout my life, I if if I'm going through a tough time, I'll say, Saint Hubert, pray for me.
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Okay.
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Because I we believe that the saints are with God in heaven.
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:46.400
Um and then the book of Revelation talks about the saints presenting prayers to God, the incense, the prayers of the holy ones on earth.
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.480
Um so we know that God listens to his saints.
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.759
And so we ask the saints to pray for us.
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And so, like if I'm going out for a hunt, I'll say, Saint Hubert, pray for me.
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Pray to God on my behalf that I may glorify him in what I'm about to undertake.
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.119
Is that in that same breath is God involved in that prayer?
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Or is that the same thing?
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:09.359
Oh, yes, your option.
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Absolutely.
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:25.759
I I mean, it might vary from Catholic to Catholic, but I my prayer always begins in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, the Godhead, um, and then I'll say a prayer to God directly, and then I'll ask Saint Hubert to pray to God for me.
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.920
So it's like a second layer.
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Yeah.
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And to go to go there, I hear there's a lot of misconception.
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:35.359
We we pray to the saints.
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:37.680
That was one thing I was gonna ask about.
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:46.079
If we're looking at the literal definition of pray, yeah, because pray literally just means to ask, but we're not praying the same way we pray to God.
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.640
The prayer we give to God is worship.
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.640
Uh the prayer that when we ask the saint to pray for us, it's literally just that.
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.160
We're asking to pray for us.
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.839
So that's a distinguishing thing that might help you.
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Yeah.
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That's a that's a hoop.
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That's a hoop.
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You know, I don't want any confusion for my non-Catholic brothers and sisters uh to think that we're just a bunch of people worshipers.
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:23.839
No, I think mainly a lot of my turmoil with it is purely based off of people that I have met along the way that have kind of killed whatever motivation I had for it, which sucks.
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:38.400
And it's it's really honestly nobody's fault in it happens, but I've always wanted answers to these questions, and a lot of time whenever I present them to my grandma, it doesn't always go over well because she always tells me, You should know this because you did this for 14 years, blah blah blah blah.
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And I'm like, I I I but I don't understand it.
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:48.240
So do you believe there's a you believe there's an for lack of better terms, an old school Catholicism in a new school?
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.039
Uh I mean I know there shouldn't be.
00:29:51.519 --> 00:30:00.400
No, there very much is, there's a lot of nuance to that too, because pre-1960, you know, when it was all Latin, yeah, it's very strict, very like conservative.
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:08.720
Following that, there was a lot of evolution of how the the Catholic liturgy worked and how people viewed Catholicism.
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.839
And so there definitely is kind of an old school, new school.
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:18.799
I will say one downside of one downside of the changes is that catechesis went away.
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And that means catechesis, instruction, teaching of the faith, kind of what we went through at St.
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.160
Pius at through Catholic schools.
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Catechesis kind of went by the wayside and created a lot of lukewarm Catholics.
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.960
And so, like our generation, we were raised in lukewarm Catholicism.
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Yes, and that makes sense.
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Very much felt it.
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Shout out to my mom and dad.
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They they took us to mass, they explained why we're coming to mass, they explained aspects of the faith I didn't understand, and so shout out to them.
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So thanks, mom and dad.
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Yeah, good people too.
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I think that was the difference though, but like strictly speaking, between like my family versus your family, whenever I was going with my grandma and stuff, it there was a lot of lack of knowledge there.
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:13.440
Whenever you had that knowledge, which very much could have paved our paths in two not separate directions, adjacent directions, but not the same path, if that kind of makes sense.
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:14.880
Yeah.
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That's good.
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I'm just learning.
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I love it, yeah.
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:18.799
Yeah, I'm learning.
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God knows a lot.
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:25.839
Yeah, might have to part two of this guy's and go back and like Google some of these words he's using in here.
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:26.880
So but I'm I'm glad that.
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:28.960
Stop me if I'm saying something that makes zero sense.
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:39.039
Well, what you're what I like what you're doing is you're saying it, and then you will, you know, give a you know that we don't understand that word, or I don't understand that word, and then you break it down and tell us what it means.
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:44.319
So that's super helpful to me because I'm like I told you today, I want to get educated on Catholicism.
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:46.319
So getting good.
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:52.319
Um how do you feel about your um QA?
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:53.920
Oh, I feel great.
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:54.720
I feel great.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.400
I wanted answers for these questions and not like off of TikTok.
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:00.160
Like TikTok answers.
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.720
Because TikTok answers and like your TikTok's gonna be giving you answers when you get on your phone now.
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.599
Yes, it is, it's it's listening, I swear.
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.240
But yeah, I don't want just like TikTok answers.
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.920
Like I wanted somebody that I knew to explain it to me.
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.039
And like, I do know you.
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:18.240
I remember whenever I went to St.
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.160
Pies, you're a couple years ahead of me.
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:21.680
Like, I remember seeing you.
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.920
So, and also through high school.
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:31.359
So I was like, if any time is the time to get answers, it's now, and I do really appreciate you coming on here talking to me about it.
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:38.799
Because the way that I view things is gonna be a little skewed because of the people that I've interacting with, not only while I was at St.
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.799
Mary's in Centralia, but also at St.
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:48.079
Pius, just because there were some people that were there that weren't really the greatest to my family, but that's not about the religion, right?
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.680
It has nothing to do with the religion.
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:56.559
There's a there's a saying, uh, and I think it was uh it was a it was a man named Fulton Sheen.
00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:01.119
I think he said a lot of people dislike what they have been told about Catholicism, and I'm probably getting this quote wrong.
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:05.680
He said they dislike what they've been told about Catholicism, not what Catholicism actually is about.
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.839
I'm not pointing fingers at you, but no, and it that's very well could be.
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.039
Some of us are just raised or just taught what is not quite the truth.
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:25.759
Yeah, 100%, which I think very much can be the case in my instance, which I mean, like I said, is not really necessarily anybody's fault.
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.839
It could have just been overlooked in the moments, but it is what it is.
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:42.559
And I do again appreciate you for coming on here and talking to me about it because that will help me be able to be like, okay, like it wasn't this way, and being able to work it through my brain and kind of unwind all of those binds that have been in my brain for so long.
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:44.160
And God works with anything.
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:44.960
Oh, 100%.
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:52.240
It's um so I know one thing that comes up, and I'm gonna get your perspective on it too, and maybe your back to yours too.
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.519
But in this, because in these podcasts, I always like to have people relate to it.
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:05.359
And so I think one of the biggest hurdles I see, and I know you talked about it a minute ago, is that transition from St.
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:07.599
Pius to public school.
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.239
Um you know, Kaylee doesn't go there anymore.
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:13.039
And that's fine.
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.000
I I I love a lot of the people there and the teachers there and you guys there.
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:17.039
I mean, it's everything's awesome.
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:18.719
I that's we won't go down that path.
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:27.199
It's but that was one of our worries, and we're still even in Rennick, still worried about public schools.
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:34.239
Um, but I know that you know, both my boys, you know, went to went to Moberly and they're like, yeah, I mean, I'm St.
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.679
Pious people come there, they were shocked.
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:47.440
Like, so talk about like your first days or weeks or you know, and how and how did how because somebody's gonna somebody's gonna listen to this and they're going hopefully and they're going to St.
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:47.920
Pious.
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Maybe they're they're young enough and they're listening to this and they're going, I'm scared to death.
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:52.960
Yeah.
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It is kind of it is intimidating.
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It was intimidating.
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Um, my locker combination didn't work day one.
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.880
Good start.
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:01.679
And you know, at St.
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.199
Pius, we don't we have lockers, but they don't lock, so they're unlocking lockers.
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.400
It's right, it's it's funny.
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:06.800
Yeah.
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:08.639
But I went to from small St.
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.920
Pious with no lockers to big high school with locker combinations.
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.000
Day one, my locker combination is not working, and my brother Austin knew that would happen.
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.599
So he comes walking down the hallway right at lunchtime, and I'm trying to get in my locker.
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.039
And I'm having people try to do my combo form not working.
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.440
Uh and it's lunchtime, and I'm trying to go get some lunch because I'm just little freshman me freaking out.
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.920
And Austin comes walking by, hands me his lunchbox.
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.639
Here you go, dude.
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.800
Saved half my PB and J for you.
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:34.559
He he foresaw.
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.840
He foresaw, but uh he knew.
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:47.119
I mean, that's just a small little aspect, but getting to kind of break apart from the the close-knit friend uh friends, friendships that I had forged at St.
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.480
Pius, that was tough.
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:48.800
Yeah.
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:54.880
Again, not having the set times for Mass and specific times for prayer.
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:56.880
How'd that make you feel?
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.000
Like, because I mean you did that for eight years or whatever.
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.400
So how'd that make you feel that you didn't have that time?
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:03.519
It was wild.
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:04.400
You know, but as St.
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.000
Paul says, pray without ceasing.
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.519
And I try to remind myself of that daily, and so I would try to find opportunities just throughout the day to just offer up a prayer.
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.000
At lunchtime, I would always pray, and we have a meal prayer in the Catholic faith.
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:24.480
Uh so I would sign myself at the sign of the cross and I'd say the meal prayer, and the the guys that were sitting with me, eventually they started.
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:32.880
If they were sitting down before me, most of them aren't Catholic, and they're like, they're waiting for me to get to the lunch table, so they can pray with me.
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.880
And so that's good, you know, just being able to be an instrument that way.
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:38.480
Um, that was cool.
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:39.760
That was a cool part of it.
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.639
But also some of the cultural disconnect and some of the I guess the value disconnect.
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:45.039
Yeah.
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:56.320
They were, I mean, I had some I had some great friends and some that uh that I thought were friends that you know they they tried to immerse me in things that I that stood against everything that I stood for.
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.440
Um you know, I do my best not to cuss.
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:03.039
I had I had friends that were literally daily trying to get me to cuss, just as a joke.
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:03.440
Oh yeah.
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.480
But they were trying to get me to bend those those values that I had.
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:15.199
I had friends that tried to get me to view pornography, um that stuff that I had just that I was trying striving to stay strong against.
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.119
And praise God I did.
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.719
Yeah, but having that pressure, and pure pressure is real.
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:26.480
Yeah, very much is when everyone was talking about the stuff they're doing, and I'm not a part of that.
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:35.199
Yeah, it's it was it was definitely just a time to realize that I needed to lean in on my faith and God's grace, and praise God I'm here.
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.440
Yeah, yeah, and you're and you're still going.
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:38.159
Still going.
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.440
I'm still going, yeah.
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.239
Still got still uh still in school, yeah, still learning.
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.519
Yes, that's awesome.
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:48.159
Yeah, I actually signed up one time for that to learn more about theology.
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:49.519
I never followed through with it.
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.599
Like I needed something else to do, but uh probably one thing to probably show.
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.519
Just got done with school actually on the 31st of last month.
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.480
Done with my bachelor's, and I already want to go back.
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:03.920
I I'm not even kidding.
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:04.800
I already want to go back.
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:05.760
Never been to college.
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.679
Never mind.
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:08.159
Never ever.
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:09.119
I love school.
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:09.840
I love learning.
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.039
I love everything about learning.
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:12.239
Like it's my favorite thing.
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.880
And it's the one thing my dad has always told me that cannot be taken away is my education.
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.400
No, and I I agree with that.
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:24.559
Yeah, I I say I never stepped foot in a college, but I did go to at the at that time, it was Lin Tech.
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:25.840
It wasn't state tech.
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.679
Uh, I did go down there for a visit, and I think it was just so I can get out of school.
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:35.119
But uh never did anything after that to even go like you know, barely past high school.
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.599
So, but I carry that as my backpack.
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:43.519
Like, you know, you can do do it without education.
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:45.599
But the one thing I am is an education.
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:55.280
Uh I stay a student of my businesses, so you know, I you can ask me a lot of stuff, and I probably don't have an answer to a lot of them, but you can ask me a lot of questions about my businesses, and I have a lot of answers for them.
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.400
So, you know, and and kind of being a st student of that, it I think helps me too.
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:09.280
So meaning I know a little bit about taxes and I know a little bit about bookkeeping, I know a little bit about business, and I know about management, I know a little bit about technology and you know, all the things, you know.
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.400
So I don't uh hold it against people who go to college, yeah.
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:17.119
And also don't hold it like Colin when he was he was like, All right, I'm gonna go to college.
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.440
I'm like, all right, so uh before we go to college, what do you you know, what do you want to do when you get out of college?
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:22.880
Because I want to work for you.
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.159
I don't need a college degree to go to work for me, son.
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.039
So let's do this, let's do the A plus program.
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:39.599
Yeah, and uh spend six hundred dollars or whatever it is, and all the other fees that we paid through high school, and then you can go to work for me.
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:41.679
And if you don't like it, then you can always go back to school.
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.280
So, you know, I'm I'm not against schooling.
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.119
I definitely think it's something that is pushed a little too much.
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.159
Yeah, it definitely can be, especially if you don't know what you want to do.
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:54.880
Exactly.
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:55.440
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:03.760
When I ask kids all the time whether they're going to college, you know, I give away a scholarship every year uh to Higby, to one high school student, one scholarship, write one check.
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.400
Don't care if they go to school or not, hopefully they do.
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.679
Um they're like, you want me to check in with you and you can give me four?
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.719
No, I'm just giving you a thousand dollar check, and I'm gonna hope that you and God figure out what you're gonna do with this check.
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:23.440
But you know, I used to be uh uh a little more stringent on who I would give that scholarship to because I wanted to have some meaning, you know.
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:33.440
And I I don't mean to say that because I mean you've both been to college and I don't know how we went from Catholicism to college, but um, but uh yeah, I it does, yeah.
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:38.079
It just to me just uh I think trade is kind of the way it needs to go these days.
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.719
But you're furthering your education is something that you're in.
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.440
So not let you get back to that.
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.280
What's your what's your final outcome?
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.280
What do you what do you what do you what are you doing?
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:50.639
What do you where do you want to end up?
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.480
What do you want to uh heaven?
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:55.920
I love it.
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:56.400
Great answer.
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:57.360
All right, well we're done here.
00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:58.960
Good answer, good answer.
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.599
No, I I just uh going back to that that discernment, right?
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:09.119
I I just I just want to, like you kind of said, surrender um and do exactly what God calls me to do.
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:13.039
And by his grace, I it seems like I'm right where he wants me to be.
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:19.039
Uh giving back to my my own my faith community that raised me, to the school that raised me.
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.119
Hopefully I'm my my prayer is that I'm impacting these kids in some way.
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:30.800
That's good and preparing them for a life of, you know, it's it's a pretty morally messed up world that we're living in.
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:38.079
And so I just I pray that where God has me, I can be a presence and a light for him and be a saint, be holy.
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:38.960
That's awesome.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, that's good.
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.039
That's good because you know you nailed that.
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We are worse than I've ever seen in the 47 years I've been on this planet, and I've seen a lot.
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:55.199
And it's yeah, and the uh the one thing, and I'll say it is God is what that's what we're missing.
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:56.000
That's what people are missing.
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:57.360
Yeah, truly, truly.
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:03.360
Our hope is in Christ, and if we lose sight of that, then we're gonna be just like the rest of the world and a bunch of angry people.
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.119
Yeah, but it's one nation under God.
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.639
That's there's a reason for that, and that's you hear it all the time, it's so cliche, is and that's what we're missing.
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.679
Yeah, it's like we forgot that part of it.
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:14.800
It is.
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.000
We can all get back to that in my small podcast.
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.000
Hopefully, we can grab a couple people from it.
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:27.039
So, but anything else that Jajia had that she had want any clarification?
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.119
Because I told you today I'm I'm learning today for the third time I think I've said that.
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:38.880
I don't really think necessarily need any more clarification on anything, but I do again thank you for just coming on here and talking about it.
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:39.280
Absolutely.
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:39.760
This is awesome.
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:40.480
This is awesome.
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.360
Yeah, I appreciate you.
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:43.360
And did you have anything else that you wanted to?
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:55.280
Well, there was one more aspect that you had kind of brought up on the podcast that I specifically had listened to is about you know coming to mass almost daily and how there might be some burnout there.
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:56.639
I think you guys kind of talked about that.
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:57.440
I remember that.
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.320
Um, and I guess I just had a few thoughts to that.
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:08.480
In in the Catholic realm of things, I'd say there's definitely a focus on encounter, not so much how we feel.
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:25.360
And what I mean by that by that is um I can come to mass not feeling great, being absolutely out of it, bummed, but I'm there to worship and offer all that I am to God and allow his grace to fill me up.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.800
And you know, we believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist.
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.760
And that's a whole nother, I mean, that could be another, whole nother deal.
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.920
Um we believe that Christ truly comes to be present in the Eucharist and in communion.
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.440
So we receive we're there to encounter Christ in that very real way.
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:44.800
It doesn't matter if the sermon, the homily is terrible, it doesn't matter if the music is terrible.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:52.880
Uh we're there for primarily to offer ourselves to God and then to be sent to bring Christ into the world.
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:54.719
Back to my words.
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Mass literally means sent.
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:57.920
It comes from a Latin word which means sent.
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:04.880
So we're like being drawn to the Altar, and then when we receive Christ in the Eucharist, we're being sent out to bring Christ into the world.
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:14.320
When I look at it that way, and growing up, I I remember, I'll go off on a tangent, because you know, going to Mass almost daily at St.
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:15.119
Pius School.
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:23.039
I remember one time one time I said, it was a weekend, it was Sunday, and I said, I go to Mass every day, Mom, Dad.
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:24.960
Why do we gotta go for Sunday?
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And they said, Because it's the Lord's Day.
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Every other day is special, but this is the Lord's Day.
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I never complain again.
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I don't know if they remember that.
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I do, I vividly remember it.
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I said I complained one time.
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:39.679
I said, Why go every day?
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:40.880
Why why Sunday?
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Because it's the Lord's Day.
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Um we're there to worship God and offer God our best.
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.280
And the daily thing, uh, you know, I still wondered why we did that.
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:52.320
So I looked into it.
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:53.440
Book of Acts.
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What do they do?
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They worship daily, they devoted themselves daily to the prayers, the teaching of the apostles, the breaking of the bread.
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:07.760
So it wasn't just a save it for Sunday kind of thing, although there was a centralized focus on the Lord's Day, but it was an everyday kind of thing.
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.159
And I think that's makes sense.
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:15.920
Um, yeah, there's the possibility for burnout, but I guess it also depends on what we put into it.
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.400
Yeah.
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Yeah.
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.119
Um, and that's kind of what I've learned.
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:26.239
Uh if I'm there and I'm not feeling great, like, okay, I'm not feeling great, but I'm here to receive Jesus and take him out of the world.
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.199
Regardless of what I'm feeling, I'm here to receive Jesus and take him out of the world.
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:35.039
So I look at it from that perspective, and so and then going to mass every day is easy.
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:35.440
Yeah.
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:35.679
Yeah.
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:41.760
Um, and that was just I I had heard you guys mention some of that, so I just wanted to offer some perspective on what hopefully that makes sense.
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:47.519
Maybe like some sort of lack of knowledge or understanding of what is going on could also play a part into it as well.
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:53.199
Yeah, kind of going back exactly to what we said a lack of catechesis teaching what is actually happening in mass.
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:58.159
Yes, because that was always something for me whenever I was younger, and um I only went to St.
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.840
Pies my eighth grade year because I moved here at the very end of my seventh grade year.
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:02.400
Okay.
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:16.320
So it was a really weird transition, but during that time I was so confused all the time about what was going on, and it made it to where like the entire time I was just in here, like, Yep, that'll do it.
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:17.039
That'll do it.
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:32.719
The quickest way to do it is not teaching people what's actually what we believe is happening during which now that I know that they kind of took that part away, it makes more sense because I'm like, how is my grandma so on fire for this?
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:39.119
Whenever it took every ounce of me to even somewhat pay attention, it's just because I didn't understand.
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.199
So it makes more sense.
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:54.480
And mine, when we talked about that, mine was definitely twofold, which was one, I'm not against it because I feel so good after church on Sunday, no matter like you said, no matter how I felt when I got there.
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.599
Like I get up, you know, early and I read my Bible and I'm like, I just rather go back to bed sometimes.
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:02.960
You know, yeah.
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So I'm not against like that feeling.
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:05.920
Absolutely.
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:15.440
You know, like you said, I sometimes I go on, but afterwards, you know, so I'm not against that, but I'm also I was say saying, you know, can you?
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:24.480
I don't know, obviously you can't out, you can't do too much, but I think to myself, like, can it get tiring?
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:25.519
Can it get old?
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.440
Can you get it?
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:28.400
Yeah, that's you.
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:33.519
Uh that and that's so that's the the two-sided part to me was like, I'm not against it.
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.239
I think it's great because everybody feels good after you go to church on Sundays.
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.960
But you know, as Christians that go to, you know, FLF, it's Sunday and and they preach about it all the time.
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.679
We'll be on Monday, which you're on Sunday.
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:51.360
So I again it's why I get involved in small groups, it's why I try to always, you know, I I I just had a Bible study for a little bit.
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.159
I'm trying to just do these things throughout the week.
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.320
So you guys are getting those throughout the week.
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:09.760
But I was also thinking to myself, the masses that I'd went to when Kaylee was there, I was kind of like, it was a different word that he draw, different scripture, but everything else was yeah, the structure of the masses.
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:10.480
Exactly.
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.920
And so me, I'm like, especially at that age.
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:24.880
Yeah, I think it would be extremely tough at that age not to just be like, oh, here we go again, you know, just you know, and not have a meaning behind it.
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:25.599
Right.
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:26.800
Kind of going back to that.
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.960
That lack of my prayer is that I'm able to teach the kids what's going on.
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:31.440
Exactly.
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:31.599
Yeah.
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.000
That was my first year, I think, when when I taught Kaylee.
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:35.199
I think she was in fourth grade.
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:36.000
Probably right.
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.280
Um, and so I was figuring stuff out.
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:39.599
Yeah.
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:39.840
Yeah.
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:41.519
Uh figuring stuff out how to do it.
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:52.480
And um, and so hopefully by now, you know, I've picked up a routine and I'm able to actually implement throughout the year, explain what we're doing at different parts of the mass, why we're doing it, and hopefully able to click the light bulb.
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:59.119
And I think that's the that's the part from the outsider looking in is that you're taking the time.
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:07.760
They when they're doing the things repetitively, other than the scripture that's shared there, there's a meaning behind it, but the outsider doesn't know that.
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:18.320
That's the oh, that's again, go off on tangents, but the all the imagery that you see in the Mass is stuff that is strikingly similar to what we see in the book of Revelation.
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:18.719
Yeah.
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:23.119
Um, in Revelation, you see that it's it's like apocalyptic, it's wild, it's vivid.
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:29.039
But there's also a very liturgical worship picture that we see in Revelation.
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.599
We see the angels constantly worshiping God in heaven.
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:42.559
We see the lamb standing as if he were slain, and all the holy ones constantly praising him with incense, with bells, with candles, um, and all that stuff you kind of see at a Catholic Mass.
00:49:43.199 --> 00:50:01.360
And so that that kind of opens up a whole, it kind of blew it wide open for me when I when I made those connections, and I read a book called The The Lamb's Supper by Scott Hahn, and he kind of opened up the book of Revelation and said, and he's coming from uh Scott Hahn comes from a uh a very anti-Catholic background, actually.
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:11.760
He was a he was a Protestant minister, he was a non-Catholic minister, I forget what denomination, but he was investigating the Catholic faith, and he came to a mass one time and he saw all this happening.
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:20.079
Um and he opened up the book of Revelation, he said, Oh, but there's the incense, there's the candles, there's the angels saying Amen, Amen, Amen, repeating it.
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:32.239
And so when he opened up the fact that the Mass is kind of a little bit of heaven on earth, he said the mundane routine stuff kind of goes away.
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:32.719
Yeah.
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:42.000
Um, but then there again, if that's not taught, then I wasn't taught that when I was going through my youth, going through my classes in Pious School.
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.000
Now that you're saying it, I'm I'm seeing it.
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:48.239
That's something that was open, that's something that was opened up to me after the fact.
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:52.880
And I'm I'm grateful because when I go to mass, like when I'm not feeling great.
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:55.519
Little pieces of heaven on it.
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:57.760
Yeah, no, that's good.
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:58.480
I appreciate that.
00:50:58.960 --> 00:50:59.840
That makes a lot more sense.
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.159
If you ever want to read from a very unbiased perspective, Scott Hahn, I recommend him.
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:06.480
Okay.
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.239
Um I love it.
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.519
The Lamb's Supper by Scott Hahn blew my mind when I read it.
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:12.880
I'm gonna have to look that up.
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:13.360
Yeah, for sure.
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:19.280
He talks about um in 150 AD, there was a saint named Justin Martyr.
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:24.000
He wrote a letter to the Roman Emperor explaining what these Christians are doing every Sunday.
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:30.079
And the letter Justin Martyr wrote is very strikingly similar to the Catholic Mass.
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:31.840
And so that's a beautiful thing for me too.
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:36.880
I'm like, I'm a part of something, I'm participating in something that's been going on for a long time.
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:38.079
Yeah, a long time.
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:39.119
Yeah, a long, long time.
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:40.639
But sorry, that's that's a whole tangent.
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.039
No, I don't mean to make you guys run later than.
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.079
No, I don't even know.
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.199
I usually don't even pay no attention.
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:46.480
She's usually like, hey, it's you know.
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.400
Oh, I mean we are at 55 minutes.
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.119
No, no world records negative.
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.000
I'm okay.
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:53.039
I swear this was gonna be a little bit more.
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:55.039
No, it's good though.
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.760
God said God said it needed to happen, so we made it happen.
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.199
I don't know.
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:02.639
We don't question him, we just listen.
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:03.440
We just listen.
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:05.760
Yeah, we just listen and then yeah.
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.880
So I I no, I I'd like to have you on again.
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.400
I'd be happy to be happy to join.
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.920
Part two, and and what I'll let you do at part two is I'll let you bring the subject.
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:15.679
I'll let you bring what you want to talk about.
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.679
Yeah, get you a couple different tangents.
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:18.079
Yeah.
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:19.360
We love tangents.
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:25.199
Well, I mentioned the Eucharist, and that's a big one for you know, trying to understand Catholic theology because it's like people look at us we're weird.
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.519
We believe that Jesus is truly present in the bread and the wine.
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:34.079
And that might be one where, you know, I don't again claim to know all, but I might be able to shed some light on why we believe what we believe.
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:35.519
But maybe that 100%.
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.559
Let's do that.
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.039
Let's do part two on the Eucharist and we can learn about that.
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:39.360
Okay.
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:39.760
I like it.
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:43.679
Yeah, and we'll check out check out your book that we're we were just talking about too.
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.320
But yeah, we'll get we'll definitely get you on here.
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.119
There's seems like there's always a part two to most everybody's.
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:49.760
There is.
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:51.440
We have a lot of really good people.
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.719
We do have good, we do.
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:53.199
We've been blessed.
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:54.719
This is we have been so blessed.
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:55.280
It's fun.
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:00.000
I Caleb had said something about the podcast from the from the platform.
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:00.480
Yeah.
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.719
And then I had people cornering me afterwards.
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:03.679
So you got a podcast?
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:04.639
Yes, we talk about.
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:05.840
I'm like, what do you want to talk about?
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.199
And they're like, uh-huh.
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:08.719
And I'm like, yeah, that's what we talk about.
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:09.519
What are you gonna talk about?
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.760
A lot of times it's been testimonies and yeah, what people are going through and our questionnaires.
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:32.239
Yeah, and we yeah, and uh sometimes the girls question me and and it all really stems back to helping the one, which is the one person that can listen to this, and that's why I asked the question about you know going from Catholic school to the to the school, to a public school.
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:34.639
I'm not really just public school in general.
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.920
Um, you know, because I know that's something that a lot of people struggle with too.
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:39.679
The transition is a transition.
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.719
So it was very rough, and that's what we do these this podcast for.
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:43.199
I don't know.
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:57.599
I somebody I called it Robert the Realist because I thought it would be a lot about me, but what I find out is that it's me relating with the person that we're talking to, and then that's relating to somebody that's listening and watching.
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:05.039
So it's the things that you know, you heard me a few pieces of my story came out of this one, a few pieces of my story came out of the guy that was before that.
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:09.440
And Pat Gwinter said, I'm gonna set you down and I'm gonna ask you the questions.
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:10.960
And so I'm like, bring it on.
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:12.400
So we did that one time too.
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.360
I saw a bit of that.
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:15.840
He wants to do part two on that too.
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.000
So I mean, yeah, so that's that's it was funny because I was sitting there the other night.
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:25.280
I think I don't know why I thought this, but I was like, I'm gonna change the name to Bobby Huffman's Podcast.
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:27.280
Just I don't know what.
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:27.840
Rebrand.
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.159
Just rebrand Bobby Huffman's podcast.
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:32.800
Like, I'll make a new logo, I guess.
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:38.719
I don't even know where Robert the Realist was, and I like it because people do ask me, and I'm like, we just talk about real stuff.
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.320
That's a play on what you do.
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.559
Yeah, it's just it's my alter ego from Robert the Realtor or anything like that.
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.360
It's uh not a bad one, but it's uh it's a me.
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:48.800
It's a get-to-know me, you know.
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:54.079
And then but what's been happening is that the person that's coming on, I relate to them.
00:54:54.159 --> 00:55:01.519
I've been there, I've years not so much, but um, but I wanted to know more about Catholicism.
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.880
Yeah, and I'm God had you text me.
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:05.760
I didn't know you before that.
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.000
I know your brothers, never met you before in my life.
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.039
I mean, I have, I've seen you around and stuff like that.
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:15.599
But you know, in this setting like this, I'm like, no, man, you need to come on the podcast and just educate.
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:17.119
Well, it's been a blast, and I appreciate you.
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:17.599
It's fine.
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:19.760
No, you guys get the spar now.
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:22.639
Just kidding.
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:23.679
Big ding, let's go.
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.239
But no, I appreciate you coming on here.
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Um, and let's do a part two.
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Okay, yeah.
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And uh, yeah, so that's it.
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Evan was on here.
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We appreciate his time.
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Catholicism, I said that word right every time.
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I appreciate it.
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Yeah, yeah, I got this.
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I got this, man.
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I've been practicing that word.
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I'm just bro.
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The first time I think I should go back and listen to it.
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I think I could spit it out.
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Yeah, it was crazy.
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I was like, oh good.
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It's a big word.
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It's a big word, especially for the small minded, barely past high school guys.
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All right.
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But hey guys, we appreciate you tuning in.
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Like, subscribe, comment, do all those things.
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We love you, and we appreciate you, Robert's reel.
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Thanks.