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This week's guest is one of the most prolific outdoor television hosts of all time.
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He's certainly one of the most controversial which, quite frankly, I don't understand and we'll get into that with him and maybe he can explain it. And if you hunt whitetail deer, you'll want to stick around because you're going to hear some news that he has with regard to CWD.
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That's coming up right now.
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Right On The Mark. Episode Three, featuring Keith Warren, recorded May of 2021 starts right now.
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He is hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them all. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle.
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He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things God, Family, Country and Hunting.
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He's Keith mark, and he's Right On The Mark.
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Hi, this is Keith, Mark, and welcome back to another Right On The Mark podcast and my sidekick Josh Ishmael with me and Josh, you know, I've got to tell you, I'm a little giddy today. And I'm going to reveal a little personal story that, you know, the viewers might think, Oh, my gosh, what a groupie, but I don't really care. You know, many years ago, when I had the opportunity to do outdoor television, of course, I knew Ted Nugent, it was Ted that got me on Outdoor Channel. And I got invited to the very first producer summit, that I as host of MacMillan River Adventures was going to go to and my wife Jeannie joined me, and I told her, I said, you know, there's only one person that I hope is here, I want to meet this one person. And it was the guy that I watched every Sunday morning, as we were getting ready to go to church. He was my favorite personality on The Outdoor Channel, Keith Warren. And man, we got Keith today. How exciting is over.
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For Sure. And he's been doing this since three years before I was born.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, Keith actually was an apprentice under Joseph when Jesus came on board there. So. And you know, Keith has been in this business a long time. And I'll tell you, and this is the greatest part of when I got to meet Keith Warren.
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So we did this producer summit and I looked across the room and there was Keith and his beautiful wife. And, you know, he was just sitting there intently taking notes and chimed in appropriately, you know, and then there were some other folks from Outdoor Channel on there.
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And now, Josh, you've had the opportunity to go to many of these producer summits after this one. And you know, there's that crowd, you know, and I won't mention them, but the viewers and listeners they know, Keith very unassuming. And when the when the summit was over, or the first break or however it went down. I waited by the door and Keith walked out. And I said, Hey, Keith, my name is Keith Mark, and I'm going to be doing a brand new show on outdoor channel called MacMillan River Adventures. I love your show. And I'll tell you, Keith, he stood there, and he told me everything that most of the other producers would never share. He was given me information about sponsors and how to do the show. I mean, he was I mean, Keith was a prince of a guy from the minute I met him. And so when you think about it, when you have kind of like a guy you idolize, be careful when you get to meet them, because they may be completely opposite of what they portray on TV.
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Well, that was not the case with Keith Warren. He was a great guy. And I think you my listeners out there, some of you that don't know Keith Warren, stick around, because not only is that he's a great guy, he's unafraid. He'll take on the most controversial topics. And and he'll give it to you both barrels, you know, Josh, so I'm excited to have him on
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No, me too. He pulls no punches, that's for sure. And to say he's almost controversial in our hunting industry, to be a true statement.
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And it's a shame really, because, you know, he, his views are not really controversial. They're just pro hunting. They're pro conservation. They're pro America. And you know, to those folks that think those things are controversial. That's why God gave us two middle fingers.
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And when we get Keith Warren on, that'll give us six between the three of us so stick around.
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I've got my now great friend, incredible outdoor personality.
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Friend of everything that's outdoors. Keith Warren is coming right up.
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Welcome back to Right On The Mark podcast and with no further ado, I want to welcome my good friend Keith Warren. Keith, welcome to Right On The Mark.
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It's good to be here. It's good to talk to you.
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And I'm excited about every day in my life. You know, I wake up and I think, you know, today's a special day because it's the first day of the rest of my life, what can I do to make it special not just for me, but for our country. And so I kind of live that way. And so it's good to talk to you.
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You know what, Keith, I don't know if you could hear the open. But I tell this story every time I'm with you around your when I know you're in the audience. But, boy, when I first started doing outdoor television, you were the one person that I wanted to meet more than anybody else. Do you remember that first meeting?
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I remember it like it was yesterday. And I and I, Keith you know, the thing about it is I was told a long time ago, treat people the way you want to be treated. And, you know, always be true to yourself. Don't try to be something that you're not. And you know that there and I've always tried to be that, you know, I've always tried to be who I am and you know, I just look at I think that the very first one of those outdoor channel things that I went to I'll be honest with you, I went to it now, it was a big letdown for me. And the reason why is because these guys that I've watched on television and stuff, they were like nothing like what I expected. It was a matter of fact it was it was almost like God bless. Want to check your ego at the door. You know, I mean, I look at it. I think we're that I'm afraid somebody's gonna wake up realize I get paid to do this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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guys in the world. Yeah. Well,
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you know what, Keith, you've done over 1300 outdoor show episodes. Is that true?
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Yeah, that's true.
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I think there's more than anybody. I mean, I don't I don't keep track. Be honest with you.
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But that's a I mean, I haven't gone off the air since 1984.
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So it's like Jesus, Jack Brittingham and Keith Warren are not the same.
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Yeah, you know, 1300 episodes, Keith. And for those people that don't do outdoor television and have never done it, but enjoy watching it like that, that is quite a feat.
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Because not only do you have to go on 1300 hunts and then some to get the footage that you need to produce 1300 shows, you actually have to produce 1300 shows, which is an easy and so I mean, that is an incredible testament, not only to your longevity, but just to your talent.
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Well, thank you, but I look at as successful people, whether you're successful in, in a matter of in sports, or music, or whatever you're successful in every successful person have I know, shares one thing, and it's passion, they have passion for whatever it is that they do. And it's that passion that helps drive them up the mountain when everybody else is going to quit.
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And it's that passion that no matter how tough times get, you know what, you still make it and so, you know, I think I'm fortunate to have passion. I mean, there's a lot of people that don't, but passion is one of those things that you can't get it from somebody else, you've got to give it to yourself. And you were doing 52 weeks a year.
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Yeah, sure, wass.
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You know, the thing that I loved about your, the thing I loved about your show, Keith was that you were the one person that if I was going to be in a boat with for a whole day fishing trip, I the way you portrayed your show, it was you, you know if I was going to sit in a deer stand or a duck blind or, you know, go on a pheasant hunt, whatever it was, I mean, your personality is such as your you come across as that person people would want to hunt with and that's the way I always enjoyed your shows. And I'm sure I'm not alone, I bet you get and have got over the years tons of emails and letters from people that watch your show and just said, Man, I feel like I know you.
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Well, that's the truth. I mean, I have guys come walking up to me the airport or you know, in a store, whatever that man, I grew up watching you. It's like I've known you all my life and I think I want to be you know, I'm straight up man. I'm gonna tell somebody the way I feel if they ask for my opinion, okay, I'll tell them and whether they like or not, they asked and for the most part, you know, and now an outdoor world I mean, we all consume media differently now than what we did when I started in 1984. Back then, you know, there was a way of network television and cable was just kind of getting started and all and and now take a look at it.
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Nobody had internet back then there was no such thing as Facebook and Instagram and digital media. And so things have just changed a lot and hunters have changed a lot and and our society has changed a lot and but the thing about it the core values of being an American and being patriotic and in true I think though those core values, they still should hold true, but unfortunately, we live in a world but it's like, people live behind these keyboards and they're 10 foot tall and bulletproof bullies and they say stuff online that they would never ever say to your face. And it's a shame and I want it and I'll tell somebody something to their face just as much. I'll tell it to them online. And I'll back it up, you know, and it's like, I'm not asking for a metal. I'm just saying that Wait a minute, I'm going to be authentic to myself, and, and to everybody else.
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Well, and I want to get into some of the, what some people would say would be the controversies around Keith Warren. But before we do, and before we leave this segment, all the times that I watched you, one of the principal messages that you always gave is that we must pass this lifestyle, this hunting, fishing, trapping outdoor lifestyle on to the next generation and man Oh, man, have you done that successfully? How much fun is it now that you have your daughter Matti on the on the show with you?
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It's so fun. I mean, my little girl was like the, she doesn't remember first hunting trip just like I don't remember mine. I mean, she was a little pup just like as she grew up with a gun in her hand, you know, she can, she can now shoot most guys. And she, she's, she doesn't want to be quote one of those pretty faces on television. She wants to be somebody that that that helps more people enjoy the outdoors.
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You know, I tell people you know, I'm not I'm not an expert in anything. I'm pretty good at a lot of stuff. I'm kind of like the multi tool, you know, I can shoot a bow pretty good. I can shoota gun pretty good. You know, I can I can do it. And Maddie is pretty good at it. I told her I said maybe you don't have to be the best. But you have to give it your best at whatever it is you do. And so if we if I take her out where we're bait and trot lines and catching catfish, or whether we're hunting your, you know, nutria rats or shooting prairie dogs, it doesn't matter. I mean, we're gonna have fun, whatever we're doing, because, hey, we want to pass this on to future generations.
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You know what, Keith, I do want to get into some of the controversies. But I'm very excited to have you on today because you have some news. You know, you've got some information on a very hot topic in the deerr world, CWD, and you're going to share that with us. And so I encourage my viewers to keep listening. When we come back. We're gonna visit with Keith Warren and and talk about CWD a little bit later.
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Come right back, we'll be here.
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Alright, Keith, you know, people like to say keep Warren's controversial, you were on, you've been on many networks, I shared the outdoor channel with you for a while then you left the outdoor channel, you had some principles you thought hunting ought to be portrayed in a certain way you wouldn't compromise. You believe hunting is inclusive, not exclusive. And that's kind of branded, controversial. So let's talk about that.
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I've always been a believer that I support all forms of hunting period, if it's legal, and ethical. I'm going to support it. Whether I do it or not, doesn't matter. I believe that all hunters have a common thread that we need to look for that common thread that unites us all. With there's something special about being a hunter, we are the minority We are the We Are we have to realize that and we have to realize that we live in a world of soft people that, that look at us as being like, I mean, being weird. And I guess we are weird because we're connected to nature. And it's this connection to nature that connects us to our families and our loved ones and that we can't wait to go we're weird, man.
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Weird. Yeah, we had I mean, we've we live we don't live in a virtual world, we live in reality. And so what I've always done is I've always supported all forms of hunting period. And and in many people in our industry, their legal products or books, or they shoot archery or they shoot, you know, whatever it is they do. And I understand that, but you know what, that I look at it, I do it all. And I mean, I do it do it all because I love it all. And I want to encourage people to get out and do it all. And so that's one thing I've always done. It's like, you know, like the crossbow ban the crossbow years ago. It was such No hot topic I thought you know some I wanted to shoot one cuz I've never shot one before shot up but dang This is cool. This is really cool. So I started using on TV and man I started catching crap. Oh my god, you know why would you do that is if not archery gear you know but but it's cool. Yeah but it's not archery gear and then all of a sudden now advanced 25 years later and every manufacturer every archery manufacturers got a crossbow.
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Now don't wonder what that's about?
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Well think about this and I've said this forever, Keith, that the two things that are going to kill our hunting lifestyle is infighting and apathy. You know, the bow hunters fight and the crossbow hunters fight and the rifle hunters who fight the muzzleloader hunters who fight the long range hunters, you know, or, you know, they just they don't go vote. They don't they don't voice their opinion regarding how cool our lifestyle really is. And one of the things that just drives me completely crazy, is that when some hunter tells another Hunter, that he's not a real Hunter, because he doesn't hunt exactly the way the hunter voicing the opinion hunts. And that is just that's the kiss of death in my opinion.
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Here's the most arrogant, stupid thing I've ever heard. It's like, give me a break. I'd love for her. I'd love for somebody to come up to me and tell me I'm not a real Hunter. It's like really? Have you ever crawled up the side of a mountain slept inside of mountain for four nights in a row to kill a dall sheep? Hmm, I have is that a real hunter? I guess not. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like, wait a minute.
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As a hunter we all choose. I mean, if you want a mule deer hunt or antelope hunt, you want to drive around with truck all day and you see one you smokem, good for you. I'm glad you're a hunter. Right? Okay, I want more people hunting.
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That campfire needs to be inclusive. because like you said earlier, we're the minority. And if we allow these anti hunters and make no mistake about it, they they support and breed this infighting in our own industry. And they just sit back and laugh because as we carve out and dismiss segments of our own hunting population, it's the anti hunters that win I'll tell you a story. Keith, Shawn, and I did a show down in Texas at a and I made it a high fence operation. We took a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient with us, who had had both of his legs, lost both of his legs in service. It was his first hunt since he went through his rehabilitation. He was going through an incredibly tough time mentally and physically. And we aired that show. And I'll tell you he told the story of of the fateful day when he sustained his injuries and just his heroic efforts that led to him getting that Medal of Honor pinned on his chest. And when we aired that show, believe it or not, Keith, we got emails from hunters that just vilified the show. How dare us hunt high fence. And that's not real hunting. And I thought to myself, who in the world would come face to face to this kid who gave so much for this country and tell him he wasn't a real hunter? Because he hunted inside of a fence? What's your thought on that?
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It's It's sad.
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It's sad that some hunter thinks that they are going to be the authority, the mean, they're going to be the police. I'm telling us what's right and what's wrong. I think you know what, thank God, we're Americans. And thank God we're able to we're free to be able to make our own choices. While somebody may want to convertible somebody may want to hardtop with somebody, it's like, come on. Come on. They can both be sports cars, can't they? I mean, it's it's like I look at the I look at hunters and I think hunters embrace one another.
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That's reason why when Hunter Nation started us like it's about time, okay, somebody needs to look across and say, wait a minute, we're all one big family and we need to support embrace one another. It's thought the bitching back and forth about how somebody does something. And so, you know, I'm just, I'm frustrated because I don't know how to get hunters to realize that you know what, we're, we're we're the ones that are hurting ourselves more than the antis.
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antis, we're sitting back loving what they're seeing now. Yes.
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Okay. And so what we got to do is we got to unify, and it worked towards it. And that's what I've tried to do my entire career.
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Yes. And as you know, me as well, and there is hope, Keith because, and I had conversations with you early on when I had the idea of and started forming the group, Hunter Nation and Hunter Nation.
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As you well know has grown into a force. Hunter nation was the organization that sued the state of Wisconsin to get wolves to be managed, which meant to have a wolf hunting season. And of course, they fought us and we had to win it up at the appellate courts. But the end result was that Hunter Nations efforts got a wolf hunting season. This past season in Wisconsin, in 72 hours, we killed roughly 112 115 wolves, which in turn is going to save 4,200 deer that there will be a surplus of that number of deer and the deer woods in Wisconsin.
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This coming deer season and and you know Hunter Nation, we went down into Georgia where they were trying to ban bow hunting and Michael Waddell his own home county and we showed up at the City Council level down there and beat that back. We're in a fight and Virginia right now, on the issue of predator management. And Keith, this is right up your alley. We recently were in a fight in Montana, Montana, Keith of all states.
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There was a bill up there in the legislature that was going to allow disabled Montanans to hunt with a crossbow during archery season, and that would include disabled veterans, and guess, Keith, who opposed the use of crossbows in Montana during archery season. Well, I won't even let you guess because I'm going to tell you, there was just a handful of organizations led by Back Country Hunters and Anglers which our good friend Ted Nugent calls them the backstabbing hunters and anglers, and the trout Association. I'm not even sure what the trout boys what interest they had and whether crossbows are used or not. But I'll just mark that off as an now anomaly. I don't know. But also wait for it drum roll. The Montana Bow Hunters Association Keith fought tooth and nail to prevent disabled people from using a crossbow in Montana.
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What's your thoughts on them?
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Shame, shame, shame on them.
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It's like, Who the hell it makes them the authority to be able to do that. If I lost a leg or if I had a son or a friend or somebody that was handicapped, that that's the way that they wanted to hunt. Why not? Right?
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Okay. It's just these people think they think they're the authority that they can say, No, you can do it this way. Or you can't do it this way. And I think who may I mean, what they must believe their own premises all I can say, well, they're they're the same people. These are the same people that fought when compound bows came into being. These are the same people that said when we went from 65 pound lead off to 85 pound lead off that you got to put an asterisk on those records. I mean, these are if they are true, elitist. These are people that think the way they do it is the only way to do it. Which, you know, when I was at church this last Sunday, and I looked around the pews, I saw people of all different colors, shapes, sizes, and men and women. I didn't see a whole bunch of genders which apparently people were saying there's a lot of different genders. I only saw men and women but I did see different shapes, sizes and colors. Um, but in any event, I mean, to think otherwise, that this shouldn't be inclusive.
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What a bunch of smug elitist, fill in the blank. Well, we're out of time for this episode, but Keith is agreed to stick around for more because we still need to hear what he has to say about CWD. So if you want to get updated on everything that is new with regard to CWD, come right back for part two of our talk with Keith Warren right here on Right On The Mark.
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This week's guest is one of the most prolific outdoor television hosts of all time.
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He's certainly one of the most controversial which, quite frankly, I don't understand and we'll get into that with him and maybe he can explain it. And if you hunt whitetail deer, you'll want to stick around because you're going to hear some news that he has with regard to CWD.
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That's coming up right now.
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Right On The Mark. Episode Three, featuring Keith Warren, recorded May of 2021 starts right now.
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He is hunted all across America and around the world. rifle, pistol, shotgun, crossbow compound traditional, he uses them all. He's an outfitter, an award winning outdoor television host and founder of America's only organization fighting to protect every hunters lifestyle.
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He's brash, he's bold, he's humorous, and a bit hothead. But when it comes to all things God, Family, Country and Hunting.
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He's Keith mark, and he's Right On The Mark.
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Hi, this is Keith, Mark, and welcome back to another Right On The Mark podcast and my sidekick Josh Ishmael with me and Josh, you know, I've got to tell you, I'm a little giddy today. And I'm going to reveal a little personal story that, you know, the viewers might think, Oh, my gosh, what a groupie, but I don't really care. You know, many years ago, when I had the opportunity to do outdoor television, of course, I knew Ted Nugent, it was Ted that got me on Outdoor Channel. And I got invited to the very first producer summit, that I as host of MacMillan River Adventures was going to go to and my wife Jeannie joined me, and I told her, I said, you know, there's only one person that I hope is here, I want to meet this one person. And it was the guy that I watched every Sunday morning, as we were getting ready to go to church. He was my favorite personality on The Outdoor Channel, Keith Warren. And man, we got Keith today. How exciting is over.
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For Sure. And he's been doing this since three years before I was born.
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Yeah, exactly. Well, Keith actually was an apprentice under Joseph when Jesus came on board there. So. And you know, Keith has been in this business a long time. And I'll tell you, and this is the greatest part of when I got to meet Keith Warren.
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So we did this producer summit and I looked across the room and there was Keith and his beautiful wife. And, you know, he was just sitting there intently taking notes and chimed in appropriately, you know, and then there were some other folks from Outdoor Channel on there.
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And now, Josh, you've had the opportunity to go to many of these producer summits after this one. And you know, there's that crowd, you know, and I won't mention them, but the viewers and listeners they know, Keith very unassuming. And when the when the summit was over, or the first break or however it went down. I waited by the door and Keith walked out. And I said, Hey, Keith, my name is Keith Mark, and I'm going to be doing a brand new show on outdoor channel called MacMillan River Adventures. I love your show. And I'll tell you, Keith, he stood there, and he told me everything that most of the other producers would never share. He was given me information about sponsors and how to do the show. I mean, he was I mean, Keith was a prince of a guy from the minute I met him. And so when you think about it, when you have kind of like a guy you idolize, be careful when you get to meet them, because they may be completely opposite of what they portray on TV.
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Well, that was not the case with Keith Warren. He was a great guy. And I think you my listeners out there, some of you that don't know Keith Warren, stick around, because not only is that he's a great guy, he's unafraid. He'll take on the most controversial topics. And and he'll give it to you both barrels, you know, Josh, so I'm excited to have him on
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No, me too. He pulls no punches, that's for sure. And to say he's almost controversial in our hunting industry, to be a true statement.
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And it's a shame really, because, you know, he, his views are not really controversial. They're just pro hunting. They're pro conservation. They're pro America. And you know, to those folks that think those things are controversial. That's why God gave us two middle fingers.
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And when we get Keith Warren on, that'll give us six between the three of us so stick around.
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I've got my now great friend, incredible outdoor personality.
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Friend of everything that's outdoors. Keith Warren is coming right up.
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Right on the The Mark is brought to you in part by Hunter Nation. Hunter Nation defends all of our traditional American values, God family, Country Conservation, and our Hunting Lifestyle. Join the unified voice of the American hunter by visiting HunterNation.org today,
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Welcome back to Right On The Mark podcast and with no further ado, I want to welcome my good friend Keith Warren. Keith, welcome to Right On The Mark.
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It's good to be here. It's good to talk to you.
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And I'm excited about every day in my life. You know, I wake up and I think, you know, today's a special day because it's the first day of the rest of my life, what can I do to make it special not just for me, but for our country. And so I kind of live that way. And so it's good to talk to you.
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You know what, Keith, I don't know if you could hear the open. But I tell this story every time I'm with you around your when I know you're in the audience. But, boy, when I first started doing outdoor television, you were the one person that I wanted to meet more than anybody else. Do you remember that first meeting?
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I remember it like it was yesterday. And I and I, Keith you know, the thing about it is I was told a long time ago, treat people the way you want to be treated. And, you know, always be true to yourself. Don't try to be something that you're not. And you know that there and I've always tried to be that, you know, I've always tried to be who I am and you know, I just look at I think that the very first one of those outdoor channel things that I went to I'll be honest with you, I went to it now, it was a big letdown for me. And the reason why is because these guys that I've watched on television and stuff, they were like nothing like what I expected. It was a matter of fact it was it was almost like God bless. Want to check your ego at the door. You know, I mean, I look at it. I think we're that I'm afraid somebody's gonna wake up realize I get paid to do this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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guys in the world. Yeah. Well,
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you know what, Keith, you've done over 1300 outdoor show episodes. Is that true?
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Yeah, that's true.
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I think there's more than anybody. I mean, I don't I don't keep track. Be honest with you.
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But that's a I mean, I haven't gone off the air since 1984.
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So it's like Jesus, Jack Brittingham and Keith Warren are not the same.
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Yeah, you know, 1300 episodes, Keith. And for those people that don't do outdoor television and have never done it, but enjoy watching it like that, that is quite a feat.
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Because not only do you have to go on 1300 hunts and then some to get the footage that you need to produce 1300 shows, you actually have to produce 1300 shows, which is an easy and so I mean, that is an incredible testament, not only to your longevity, but just to your talent.
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Well, thank you, but I look at as successful people, whether you're successful in, in a matter of in sports, or music, or whatever you're successful in every successful person have I know, shares one thing, and it's passion, they have passion for whatever it is that they do. And it's that passion that helps drive them up the mountain when everybody else is going to quit.
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And it's that passion that no matter how tough times get, you know what, you still make it and so, you know, I think I'm fortunate to have passion. I mean, there's a lot of people that don't, but passion is one of those things that you can't get it from somebody else, you've got to give it to yourself. And you were doing 52 weeks a year.
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Yeah, sure, wass.
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You know, the thing that I loved about your, the thing I loved about your show, Keith was that you were the one person that if I was going to be in a boat with for a whole day fishing trip, I the way you portrayed your show, it was you, you know if I was going to sit in a deer stand or a duck blind or, you know, go on a pheasant hunt, whatever it was, I mean, your personality is such as your you come across as that person people would want to hunt with and that's the way I always enjoyed your shows. And I'm sure I'm not alone, I bet you get and have got over the years tons of emails and letters from people that watch your show and just said, Man, I feel like I know you.
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Well, that's the truth. I mean, I have guys come walking up to me the airport or you know, in a store, whatever that man, I grew up watching you. It's like I've known you all my life and I think I want to be you know, I'm straight up man. I'm gonna tell somebody the way I feel if they ask for my opinion, okay, I'll tell them and whether they like or not, they asked and for the most part, you know, and now an outdoor world I mean, we all consume media differently now than what we did when I started in 1984. Back then, you know, there was a way of network television and cable was just kind of getting started and all and and now take a look at it.
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Nobody had internet back then there was no such thing as Facebook and Instagram and digital media. And so things have just changed a lot and hunters have changed a lot and and our society has changed a lot and but the thing about it the core values of being an American and being patriotic and in true I think though those core values, they still should hold true, but unfortunately, we live in a world but it's like, people live behind these keyboards and they're 10 foot tall and bulletproof bullies and they say stuff online that they would never ever say to your face. And it's a shame and I want it and I'll tell somebody something to their face just as much. I'll tell it to them online. And I'll back it up, you know, and it's like, I'm not asking for a metal. I'm just saying that Wait a minute, I'm going to be authentic to myself, and, and to everybody else.
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Well, and I want to get into some of the, what some people would say would be the controversies around Keith Warren. But before we do, and before we leave this segment, all the times that I watched you, one of the principal messages that you always gave is that we must pass this lifestyle, this hunting, fishing, trapping outdoor lifestyle on to the next generation and man Oh, man, have you done that successfully? How much fun is it now that you have your daughter Matti on the on the show with you?
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It's so fun. I mean, my little girl was like the, she doesn't remember first hunting trip just like I don't remember mine. I mean, she was a little pup just like as she grew up with a gun in her hand, you know, she can, she can now shoot most guys. And she, she's, she doesn't want to be quote one of those pretty faces on television. She wants to be somebody that that that helps more people enjoy the outdoors.
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You know, I tell people you know, I'm not I'm not an expert in anything. I'm pretty good at a lot of stuff. I'm kind of like the multi tool, you know, I can shoot a bow pretty good. I can shoota gun pretty good. You know, I can I can do it. And Maddie is pretty good at it. I told her I said maybe you don't have to be the best. But you have to give it your best at whatever it is you do. And so if we if I take her out where we're bait and trot lines and catching catfish, or whether we're hunting your, you know, nutria rats or shooting prairie dogs, it doesn't matter. I mean, we're gonna have fun, whatever we're doing, because, hey, we want to pass this on to future generations.
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You know what, Keith, I do want to get into some of the controversies. But I'm very excited to have you on today because you have some news. You know, you've got some information on a very hot topic in the deerr world, CWD, and you're going to share that with us. And so I encourage my viewers to keep listening. When we come back. We're gonna visit with Keith Warren and and talk about CWD a little bit later.
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Come right back, we'll be here.
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Alright, Keith, you know, people like to say keep Warren's controversial, you were on, you've been on many networks, I shared the outdoor channel with you for a while then you left the outdoor channel, you had some principles you thought hunting ought to be portrayed in a certain way you wouldn't compromise. You believe hunting is inclusive, not exclusive. And that's kind of branded, controversial. So let's talk about that.
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I've always been a believer that I support all forms of hunting period, if it's legal, and ethical. I'm going to support it. Whether I do it or not, doesn't matter. I believe that all hunters have a common thread that we need to look for that common thread that unites us all. With there's something special about being a hunter, we are the minority We are the We Are we have to realize that and we have to realize that we live in a world of soft people that, that look at us as being like, I mean, being weird. And I guess we are weird because we're connected to nature. And it's this connection to nature that connects us to our families and our loved ones and that we can't wait to go we're weird, man.
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Weird. Yeah, we had I mean, we've we live we don't live in a virtual world, we live in reality. And so what I've always done is I've always supported all forms of hunting period. And and in many people in our industry, their legal products or books, or they shoot archery or they shoot, you know, whatever it is they do. And I understand that, but you know what, that I look at it, I do it all. And I mean, I do it do it all because I love it all. And I want to encourage people to get out and do it all. And so that's one thing I've always done. It's like, you know, like the crossbow ban the crossbow years ago. It was such No hot topic I thought you know some I wanted to shoot one cuz I've never shot one before shot up but dang This is cool. This is really cool. So I started using on TV and man I started catching crap. Oh my god, you know why would you do that is if not archery gear you know but but it's cool. Yeah but it's not archery gear and then all of a sudden now advanced 25 years later and every manufacturer every archery manufacturers got a crossbow.
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Now don't wonder what that's about?
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Well think about this and I've said this forever, Keith, that the two things that are going to kill our hunting lifestyle is infighting and apathy. You know, the bow hunters fight and the crossbow hunters fight and the rifle hunters who fight the muzzleloader hunters who fight the long range hunters, you know, or, you know, they just they don't go vote. They don't they don't voice their opinion regarding how cool our lifestyle really is. And one of the things that just drives me completely crazy, is that when some hunter tells another Hunter, that he's not a real Hunter, because he doesn't hunt exactly the way the hunter voicing the opinion hunts. And that is just that's the kiss of death in my opinion.
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Here's the most arrogant, stupid thing I've ever heard. It's like, give me a break. I'd love for her. I'd love for somebody to come up to me and tell me I'm not a real Hunter. It's like really? Have you ever crawled up the side of a mountain slept inside of mountain for four nights in a row to kill a dall sheep? Hmm, I have is that a real hunter? I guess not. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like, wait a minute.
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As a hunter we all choose. I mean, if you want a mule deer hunt or antelope hunt, you want to drive around with truck all day and you see one you smokem, good for you. I'm glad you're a hunter. Right? Okay, I want more people hunting.
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That campfire needs to be inclusive. because like you said earlier, we're the minority. And if we allow these anti hunters and make no mistake about it, they they support and breed this infighting in our own industry. And they just sit back and laugh because as we carve out and dismiss segments of our own hunting population, it's the anti hunters that win I'll tell you a story. Keith, Shawn, and I did a show down in Texas at a and I made it a high fence operation. We took a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient with us, who had had both of his legs, lost both of his legs in service. It was his first hunt since he went through his rehabilitation. He was going through an incredibly tough time mentally and physically. And we aired that show. And I'll tell you he told the story of of the fateful day when he sustained his injuries and just his heroic efforts that led to him getting that Medal of Honor pinned on his chest. And when we aired that show, believe it or not, Keith, we got emails from hunters that just vilified the show. How dare us hunt high fence. And that's not real hunting. And I thought to myself, who in the world would come face to face to this kid who gave so much for this country and tell him he wasn't a real hunter? Because he hunted inside of a fence? What's your thought on that?
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It's It's sad.
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It's sad that some hunter thinks that they are going to be the authority, the mean, they're going to be the police. I'm telling us what's right and what's wrong. I think you know what, thank God, we're Americans. And thank God we're able to we're free to be able to make our own choices. While somebody may want to convertible somebody may want to hardtop with somebody, it's like, come on. Come on. They can both be sports cars, can't they? I mean, it's it's like I look at the I look at hunters and I think hunters embrace one another.
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That's reason why when Hunter Nation started us like it's about time, okay, somebody needs to look across and say, wait a minute, we're all one big family and we need to support embrace one another. It's thought the bitching back and forth about how somebody does something. And so, you know, I'm just, I'm frustrated because I don't know how to get hunters to realize that you know what, we're, we're we're the ones that are hurting ourselves more than the antis.
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antis, we're sitting back loving what they're seeing now. Yes.
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Okay. And so what we got to do is we got to unify, and it worked towards it. And that's what I've tried to do my entire career.
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Yes. And as you know, me as well, and there is hope, Keith because, and I had conversations with you early on when I had the idea of and started forming the group, Hunter Nation and Hunter Nation.
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As you well know has grown into a force. Hunter nation was the organization that sued the state of Wisconsin to get wolves to be managed, which meant to have a wolf hunting season. And of course, they fought us and we had to win it up at the appellate courts. But the end result was that Hunter Nations efforts got a wolf hunting season. This past season in Wisconsin, in 72 hours, we killed roughly 112 115 wolves, which in turn is going to save 4,200 deer that there will be a surplus of that number of deer and the deer woods in Wisconsin.
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This coming deer season and and you know Hunter Nation, we went down into Georgia where they were trying to ban bow hunting and Michael Waddell his own home county and we showed up at the City Council level down there and beat that back. We're in a fight and Virginia right now, on the issue of predator management. And Keith, this is right up your alley. We recently were in a fight in Montana, Montana, Keith of all states.
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There was a bill up there in the legislature that was going to allow disabled Montanans to hunt with a crossbow during archery season, and that would include disabled veterans, and guess, Keith, who opposed the use of crossbows in Montana during archery season. Well, I won't even let you guess because I'm going to tell you, there was just a handful of organizations led by Back Country Hunters and Anglers which our good friend Ted Nugent calls them the backstabbing hunters and anglers, and the trout Association. I'm not even sure what the trout boys what interest they had and whether crossbows are used or not. But I'll just mark that off as an now anomaly. I don't know. But also wait for it drum roll. The Montana Bow Hunters Association Keith fought tooth and nail to prevent disabled people from using a crossbow in Montana.
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What's your thoughts on them?
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Shame, shame, shame on them.
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It's like, Who the hell it makes them the authority to be able to do that. If I lost a leg or if I had a son or a friend or somebody that was handicapped, that that's the way that they wanted to hunt. Why not? Right?
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Okay. It's just these people think they think they're the authority that they can say, No, you can do it this way. Or you can't do it this way. And I think who may I mean, what they must believe their own premises all I can say, well, they're they're the same people. These are the same people that fought when compound bows came into being. These are the same people that said when we went from 65 pound lead off to 85 pound lead off that you got to put an asterisk on those records. I mean, these are if they are true, elitist. These are people that think the way they do it is the only way to do it. Which, you know, when I was at church this last Sunday, and I looked around the pews, I saw people of all different colors, shapes, sizes, and men and women. I didn't see a whole bunch of genders which apparently people were saying there's a lot of different genders. I only saw men and women but I did see different shapes, sizes and colors. Um, but in any event, I mean, to think otherwise, that this shouldn't be inclusive.
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What a bunch of smug elitist, fill in the blank. Well, we're out of time for this episode, but Keith is agreed to stick around for more because we still need to hear what he has to say about CWD. So if you want to get updated on everything that is new with regard to CWD, come right back for part two of our talk with Keith Warren right here on Right On The Mark.
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