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Welcome to a captivating episode of Rewind Design featuring John O'Connor from Basis Design Build, the genius behind some of the most sustainable and unique cottages in Cottage Country. In this episode, we delve into John's architectural journey, from his initial foray into the industry to developing his own Architecture Firm.
Unpack the mysteries of architectural decisions as John shares invaluable insights into the thought processes and challenges involved in crafting residential spaces. Learn about the crucial role of effective communication and proper coordination in architecture, and the factors that can affect the course of a project.
Explore the intriguing world of cottage design with an emphasis on sustainability. Discover how size, energy conservation, and maintenance costs impact the construction process, and how principles of sustainable living can be creatively integrated into the design of stunning cottages.
Dive deep into 'Project 22', a remarkable example of innovation, comfort, and meaningful contact with nature. John shares the unique design features and architectural decisions that went into creating this exceptional waterfront cottage.
Finally, embark on a thoughtful discussion about future-proof architecture, with a focus on designing for a comfortable and luxuriant old age. This stimulating conversation offers visionary solutions for future homeowners.
Whether you are a cottage enthusiast, a budding architect, or just fascinated by sustainable design, this is a must-listen episode. Immerse yourself in the remarkable world of architectural brilliance!
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Hello and welcome to Rewind Design, a Cottage Country podcast.
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You have landed in season two of the podcast, which is very exciting because
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I have an amazing episode today.
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But if you're interested, season one was also a wonderful listen, I do have to say.
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Season one focused on interviewing Georgian Bay and Muskoka cottagers,
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specifically about their cottage properties.
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So we talked a lot about how their cottage property has changed over time,
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how they ended up purchasing their cottage, how long they've had it for,
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how their cottage design has morphed and changed and weaved through time.
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Some of these stories I'll have you know are pretty wild. There's some things
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going on in Georgian Bay that you might be shocked about.
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I don't want to give anything away because I'd love for you to go back and listen
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to some episodes, but I've been shocked in my interview processes.
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I'll just, I'll leave it there. So I'd go back and listen to season one if you're
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interested in the history of the area and listening to really beautiful stories
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of how much cottagers love, love, love Georgian Bay and Muskoka.
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On this week's episode, I'm very excited to launch the first episode of 2024.
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I took a little bit of a hiatus and I haven't posted anything for about a month and a half.
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And that is because I have some amazing news, very exciting news for me.
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I have left my official nine to five job doing design and I have officially
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launched Rewind Design Studio.
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It feels so amazing to say out loud as it's been in the works for quite a while,
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but this podcast and referral clients have really allowed me to move forward
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with my own business, which is so, so exciting.
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And I am part of the Parry Sound Founders Award, which has also helped me launch
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my entrepreneurial spirit.
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So if this is your first episode you're listening to in season two,
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welcome. Thank you so much for listening.
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Season two is a really special season for me because it all started when I was working on season one.
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And I was noticing while I was boating all around cottage country interviewing
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cottagers, I was really noticing the impact that cottaging and modern cottaging
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perhaps is having on our environment.
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Our beautiful ecological Ecological environment here is so special,
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especially the shorelines of Georgian Bay.
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And I started to wonder if there was maybe some building practices that we were
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using in our modern world that maybe we could challenge and talk about and see
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if there's better ways to build in terms of environmental sustainability.
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Sustainability but as the season progressed we started talking more and more
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about sustainability with so many guests on the show and it's become quite an
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interesting debatable topic because sustainability can mean so many different
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things to so many different people
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and there's so many different kinds of sustainability so we're talking.
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Environmental sustainability, but also energy sustainability and economic sustainability
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and social sustainability.
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And all of these things are so important when we're talking about the overarching
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idea of sustainability.
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So season two is focusing on these topics.
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I'm trying to speak to as many people in the building industry as possible.
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So that includes architects, techs, other interior designers.
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Landscapers, engineers, all of the above.
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So it's been a super exciting experience and I've got lots of episodes piled
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up to share in the next few months.
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So please follow along and stay tuned.
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But on today's episode, we actually have John O'Connor from Basis Design Build
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and he was referred to me as someone to speak to about building sustainably.
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So that's always a great connection, first of all.
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So in this episode, we speak to John about how he became an architect,
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how his career has morphed and changed over time.
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He has some pretty amazing stories about working abroad in Europe. up.
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We talk about how he purchased land on Georgian Bay and built his dream cottage
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with himself and his partner after years spent yachting around Georgian Bay
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being boaters and how boating life and cottage life are very different,
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but also both enjoyable.
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And we also talk about the design
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of his new cottage and how he used the landscape the best way possible.
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And there's some pretty pretty neat features of his cottage that closely resemble
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yachting, which is pretty neat, and he'll talk in detail about that.
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Also, we speak about his fireplace, which if you go to the blog at rewinddesign.ca
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and look for John O'Connor, you'll see photos of the cottage,
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and he has this beautiful modern fireplace, but instead of grouted rock...
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There is sort of a shelving system, I'm not explaining this very well,
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but a shelving system with rocks on it above the fireplace.
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Go check out the photos, you'll understand. But the rocks have such an amazing
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story of how they got there. So stay tuned to listen to that.
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But that's all I'm going to say for now. And I just want to say thank you so
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much, John, for being on the show.
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I really appreciated our conversation and your career advice as well.
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I just wanted to say thank you so much to John for being here today.
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Like I said, I'm just always looking for architects that are in line with my
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thinking and my ethos as a designer.
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So it's really nice to speak to others who have a history. Thank you.
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So maybe you can just tell us and everyone where we are right now,
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and then we'll get into a little bit of questions about you.
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Okay. So we're at Cottage, our cottage that we built five years ago.
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And it's a tiny township northwest of Penetanguishene and from the waterfront
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here you look out over the south end of Beckwith Island and you can see Giant's
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Tomb on the right and Christian Island on the left.
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So it's very different than the eastern shore of Georgian Bay.
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It's got a bolder landscape. Same kind of rocks, but round.
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And some beaches. And a formation called the Nipissing Ridge,
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which is kind of an escarpment all the way along the edge.
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Yeah, where I drove in today. Yeah. Nice.
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So we're sitting just in his, I guess you would say, your main area here.
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We'll talk more about the architecture later.
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But just so you guys know, that's where we are right now. but we'll just get
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into some questions for John just about himself as an architect and kind of
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how he got into the industry here.
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So where are you from and how long have you been working in the design industry?
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So I was born in Toronto. I grew up in the West End.
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I think I always wanted to be an architect.
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I think the earliest memory was construction, definitely drawing construction
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construction equipment and yeah and i i did have a design sense so i i think
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i'd say age 10 onwards i always thought i would be an architect were either
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of your parents into architecture design,
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no so it was fully fully you yeah it was a new thing for our family and i after
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high school so i went to the university of waterloo which was a two-stage education
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five academic years and it It was a cooperative program,
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which was a great program because you got a lot of work experience.
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And there was an expression at the time, which people would say you go to Waterloo
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to learn how to go away, meaning there wasn't much about the university that
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was interesting. It was a lot of work.
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But you got to travel and work in different countries. So I worked in Vancouver
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with Arthur Erickson, worked in London, England as a student.
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And as I got to fourth year, I actually took a year off because I had a great
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job in London. So I stayed an extra year.
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And I finished, so it took me seven years to finish university instead of six
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or whatever, I can't remember.
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And part of that program that was great was a program in Rome,
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where we studied in Rome in fourth year.
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So I became very interested in Italy. I studied Italian a lot when I was in
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London and at university.
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I went to Venice on the way to Rome, and I just was blown away by the city and
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the heritage and everything about it.
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And I said, I have to find a way to get back here. And I did.
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About two years later, I left my job in London and I went to stay at some friend's place.
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One of my Italian teachers, they had a house there.
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And I was going to go to Milan to work as a student like four months before I did my thesis.
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But I met my friend Mara, who's an architect. And she said, well,
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why don't you come work with me part time?
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And we just got along and ended up being a full time job. And then I came back
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to Toronto, finished, and I worked again with Arthur Erickson in Toronto for
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about three years after graduation.
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And at that point, I was just burnt out from working crazy hours and I wanted to travel.
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And so I left that job and I went back to Venice.
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just ended up that i became a resident because they
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had an amnesty for foreigners at the time so i became a resident
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yeah and i stayed there about three years working with
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my friend mara and also with an architect gino vale who's famous
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italian architect um and we did a lot of really interesting
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projects in like olivetti buildings and government
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headquarters in france and all kinds of really interesting jobs big
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large scale things and at that point i could
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have have stayed there the rest of my life in one sense but i
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think it was a first what i going back to
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construction is i always like to make things i like to
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see things get done and in italy
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they don't always get done like there's a lot of talk so so
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i i thought you know if i'm going to start my own business i'd
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rather go back to canada where actually people do build things and
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execute cute the word and i came back
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worked with one of the senior associates from
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erickson in transit mostly subway stations
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which was the first stations they were
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building after like 20 years any notable ones
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i would know um we worked for years on downsue subway station that was the first
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that's the end of the van of the still one of york i can't remember spadina
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line i think it's called that goes out northwest so that was the first station
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that they had built built after 20 or 25 years, since 1975.
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I think. And it was very interesting.
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It's very bureaucratic. We also worked on the Sheppard line,
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so we did Sheppard West and another station in Bayview.
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And I left the company at that point to start my own.
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And how old would you have been at that time? I was 30 when I was in Venice,
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so I would say I was like...
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When I left, I left that company to start my own business.
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And I think I was, I don't know, I probably was 35. But I remember saying,
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I have to do it. You have to do it. If I'm going to do it.
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Yeah. Like, because when, you know, things are going to happen and you're, you know.
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So, in the meantime, I had bought a house on Brunswick Avenue in Toronto,
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which was, that was 1996.
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And that was the Toronto real estate market was just, it was just the beginning
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of it coming out of the recession.
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the work evenings weekends and sold it
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for a huge profit in a year and then i i decided
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i i didn't want to flip houses because i think
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it affects your integrity of if you have to make money make money from doing
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it yeah you have to cut corners or whatever so then i bought my house on amelia
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street and it was crazy when i think about it but i basically bought this house
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it It was an old worker's cottage, almost falling down.
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And I was starting my own business, which was completely insane when you think about it.
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I think I qualified for the mortgage just as I left my job, which is a totally
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stupid thing to do. Because you wouldn't have had income.
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You have to work for two years or something. Yeah, some track record with the bank.
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So that just was nuts when I think about it.
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But I also didn't borrow money to build the house. So as money came in,
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I would do things. And it took a little longer.
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But that house is basically, we still have that house. So, it's a cottage at
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the front, which was my office.
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And there's a link of a kitchen and a tower behind where we live.
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So, that house is, so it's 23 years ago I finished that house.
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And we just had that on a Cabbagetown tour of homes. Oh, cool.
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Which, this is quite interesting because they had 750 people came through the
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house in an afternoon, in four hours.
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And the one thing that really i was
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quite proud of but i think it was it definitely speaks to
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sustainability is people could not
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believe that the house is built 23 years ago like they look
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at the furniture and they look at the things they're all custom made or
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designed and thought out but there's nothing
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that dates that i think good quality classic design
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is very sustainable and it's worth spending the money
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and the time to do something that you know in 20
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years it's as good as it does 100 timeless over
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trendy yeah so that that's just a
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topic a little so at that point as that
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has been built i started basis design build and i started as a design build
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company because it's if you even look at the logo it's basically design led
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building venture so rather than a lot of high-end contractors will call themselves
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design build but it doesn't really Doesn't really mean the design.
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Yeah, I mean, they could get drawings for you or they could get somebody else. So this is more...
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Allows us to be on the construction site more
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have more control over the project and to
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be able to execute through the entire construction period
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the design and ensure that everything is thought
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through sometimes when you start on a project with a client there'll be
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wishes or wants or things or some
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spirit of the project that somebody wanted to try
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to capture and it might have gotten kind of swallowed in the project and
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forgotten but as you're building or and as you're working you
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can sometimes go back to those things and find
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a way to make those things become a
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reality it's a little abstract but it just allows
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you i think by having one team that goes through the project all
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the way the client has a better sense of it's all
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under one roof really yeah yeah and then
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what type of services do you offer
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i'd say the company is project-based right
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so it really depends on what yeah so i i'm
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involved in every project we do i don't want to hire millions of
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people and have you know overheads we've
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gotten larger gotten smaller it'll fluctuate
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depending on what's going on and how complex the
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job is and how involved there are there are a lot of jobs
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where we start before they purchase the
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property we advise them on purchasing the property and like
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like feasibilities yeah so we start from the very beginning and
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we go right through and we we do landscape design i mean
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we get people to help with planting design
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and other specialized aspect of it but but.
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You will carry through to to all.
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Areas of the project yeah very cool
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and you you'll do i saw on your website too you'll.
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Do like interior design and millwork
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and lighting and that type of thing or yeah i think yes
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we do always lighting is very important um no
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i i believe millwork and cabinet work.
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when like an architect wouldn't design the cabinets because it's just involved
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in it at least yeah like it's just yeah i think especially when it's in any
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kind of open concept place it's just It's attached to the wall.
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It's like almost an extension of the building.
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So, I mean, I totally get that.
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And it's so functional too, at least to plan the layout and maybe the elevations.
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Yes. And then you say, okay, maybe we'll leave the finishing up to maybe the
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designer or the mill worker or whoever.
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Do early on because it involves plumbing and electrical and things.
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help work for people yeah and we we would
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we'll outsource things like sometimes things like renderings or
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there are things that you don't need to have people in the office doing so there's
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there's a lot of capability a lot of our jobs start sometimes it's a financial
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thing where someone like building a cottage it's like am i gonna do it this
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year i'm gonna do it next year and it's a lot of money so sometimes those those
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projects sit around longer.
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Environmental approvals, and they take time.
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So I find in the city in Toronto, the projects go faster because people are
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paying taxes and they're closing their purchase.
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Primary residents, you kind of have to get that done.
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Versus a cottage, this would be their secondary or third residence.
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so i always hope that they don't all the projects don't collide
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at once but we always make it work yeah the staff you have
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working for you now what would their roles be they're like
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project managers yeah so that people have their own project
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yeah i try to do that from the beginning i think the i
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think the earth's the beginning role would be like
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called project coordinator i mean project manager can
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mean anything really but i feel that people should follow
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the job so they're that they're in touch with the client from day one and the
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client builds a relationship with them but i mean it's rare that they would
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go to the site we do a lot now the pandemic helped a lot with just video calls
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and stuff where you don't have to always be at the site for sure.
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But they might go drive it to the site and then you know we follow up have a
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phone call while they're there but i'm definitely involved in everything the
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pandemic did teach us a lot how to do things and do things well and not waste
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a lot of time i also found that probably every Every business though is just,
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sometimes you'll have like three meetings in a morning where it used to be kind
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of one at, you know, that's a lot to prepare for.
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It's a lot to download out of your head and execute after.
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efficient as well. Like you've learned to have to be. Yeah.
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And you just kind of realize you can do so many things remotely.
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I found on our projects in cottage country or further out.
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It's very useful that we have like a regular phone call with the client and
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like the lead contractor.
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Every week out tuesday morning so people
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have time to get stuff ready for the meeting and they have time to execute
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and people have to answer you know they have to if you
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had the conversation last week and four people
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and the work didn't you don't have the answer by the next week that's a problem
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right so it just makes the project move right and it's sometimes a bit of a
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waste of time but i think i think those kind of meetings are very useful especially
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if it's not on track yeah you know But even if it's on track,
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that's still a great tactic.
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Also, remote cameras are amazing now. Because our client in Algonquin Highlands put up two.
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And it's like you don't even have to. It's not that you're spying on the site.
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But it's like you don't have to call the contractor and say,
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what did you do? Or what's next?
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Like you just know. You see the cement truck. You're not going to bug them.
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Yeah. Because he's obviously pulling. And he knows it's there, right?
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The client. Oh, yeah. But the client knows what's going on. And then,
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I mean, they're just useful for a lot of security, nosy neighbors,
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a lot of nosy neighbors probably.
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And also you just, you understand the pace of work and you know that no one's
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been there for three days.
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So you get anxious when it's like, what's going on here? Has it been raining?
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So these things, those are good tools for cottage. Yeah.
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Yeah. What I was going to ask you, I guess, just jumping into cottage country
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and cottage design is, it seems like you've done a lot of work in different cottage country areas.
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Is but can you just kind of describe which areas you've worked in and maybe
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where you're planning on working we had done cottages before i built this house
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but since building this house a lot of,
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work has come and a lot of people i
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really believe that you you show people the lifestyle
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that you live and how you did it and they totally understand
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right i think i felt like
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a bit of an outsider cider before because i never grew up
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in cottages okay but i mean
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in in this a residential job in the city you
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know there there are things that people need want and it's not a formula but
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it's pretty straightforward what they're going to need in the house and how
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you're going to invest it i think a lot of people here they own properties for
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a long time they tear down a house or they build another one so they already
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have a fixed idea of how they're going to use.
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The program of the house like do they need a mudroom do they need screen ports they need,
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do they need these other accessory buildings or the systems
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generators that they know what they need right i think sometimes people think
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they know what they need and then when you show them a design and you develop
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it they actually might change yeah right so so we have worked in caledon which
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is sort of cottage country,
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I guess, and Muskoka,
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Georgian Bay, this area of Georgian Bay on Cognosheen, Algonquin Highlands,
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and Prince Edward County. It's a beautiful area.
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It's a long drive, but it's just the wrong way. Yeah, the wrong way. Yeah.
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But they all offer different things.
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No, for sure. And then would you say most of the jobs are new builds?
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Almost all our new builds yeah there was one we're doing close
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to here now which is i mean we did go
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through the whole conversation of should we tear it down but it was a house built
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in like 1998 oh it's
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a weird house but it's very solid and it's
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very and it's like if you can take that
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and add on to it and transform it you're keeping
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your costs way down yeah compared to just starting over
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so we did we did kind of back
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and forth a few times of whether that should happen and we
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looked at alternative ways to do it but it's
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just started construction now in the fall and that
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one is so it's part old part new but most of
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the jobs are start over or there's nothing on the land yeah i i guess i'll just
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touch on that is i i don't think there's one solution that's right for everybody
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but i do believe the building technology we have and what you can do.
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That's building a new building you can make it very sustainable so it will be
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here 50 or 100 years from now right i mean a lot of the little cottages on islands
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and stuff like they were never intended to be four season houses but now now
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i think just the building envelope and the the sophistication of the systems we have,
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I think it would be odd with the cost of waterfront property that people wouldn't build more.
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Better houses, not necessarily large, but I mean, because it's not worth having
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millions and millions of dollars worth of land and then having a house that's
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not worth it. Right. So it's not a good investment.
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Well, that's, yeah. I mean, that's what I wanted to touch, touch upon for sustainability,
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just like what your thoughts were.
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And for me, it's, there's so many ways you can think about, whether it's like
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the build, the building, the material, the energy, like all of that can be sustainable
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and it's in different ways, but it's like.
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If you're building something with the best possible materials,
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the best possible building science, all of that, to withstand the longest amount
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of time, that in itself is the most sustainable option.
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Yeah, and also just maintenance costs. And maintenance costs.
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You don't have to repaint things and cause potential environmental problems,
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cleaning, stuff like that.
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You know, in square footage, keeping it a little bit smaller is helpful too,
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especially if you have a budget, let's say, nothing is a million dollars,
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but let's say it's a million dollars.
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You know, you could build something smaller with incredible material,
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really good building science that will last you a hundred years, let's say.
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Or you could build something twice the size with terrible materials.
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Yeah. You know, so it's like which do you prefer? Yeah, you're cheap out on
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getting square footage. Or you could have a really great design with a smaller
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square footage that's just really functional.
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Yes, I agree 100%. That's where I'm at.
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But yeah, I wanted to ask you in terms of designing cottages,
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you also do a lot of design for residences in Toronto and other urban areas.
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So what would you say when you're coming at the forefront of the design for
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a cottage, what is different than if you're designing a principal residence? Yeah.
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I guess I think the principal residence in Toronto or a large city is really
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driven by the real estate market.
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I think people are making decisions that, you know, I need to have so many bedrooms.
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If I can have a garage, it's going to – if I can have, you know, whatever.
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All of these features, they all know they all have dollar values on them,
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right, and potential resale.
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And the fact is you are going to sell it. I think a cottage is different.
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Like, I don't know. When my partner and I built this house, like, we don't have a plan.
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Like i don't like we'll die and i don't
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know what's going to happen to but i'm just saying so you it's a
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really long-term thing and you do think about
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you know cottages can be generational you
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think of well you know someone's going to get
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old there or they're going to be little kids there or all of these stages of
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life are going to happen so that the building has to be able to do all of that
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it's also i think cottages can be very aspirational and in a sense it's a lifestyle
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and i find it interesting because some people will do things that are,
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quirky or weird or which is fantastic
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i love it that they wouldn't do in their house yeah they'll
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take a bit more of a risk i feel like because yeah the most amazing
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places around when you go inside some cottages because they're not necessarily
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designing it for complete resale like they are maybe in the city like you said
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they're doing it for their design aesthetic their love of the area their generation
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yeah and i love that yeah for sure yeah the.
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I think some people, like, I wasn't a cottager growing up, so I didn't have,
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you know, I kind of saw what people had and I've been to cottages.
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But the thing I've learned the most having this place is, you know,
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you say summer, winter, it's the in-between the seasons and it's all the nuances
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of the year that you don't ever really think about.
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Like, you just really, you know, in November, it can be still and quiet and warm and sunny.
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And i think you're so exposed up here
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compared to the city that you really you really
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interact differently with the place depending on the
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time of day and the time of year and it's not just four seasons
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there's like i don't even know how many it's all the in-between parts and the
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natural lighting changes so much like you were saying i think in our first phone
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call you said you actually do really like coming here in the winter right because
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you get so much light yes during the day because there's no leaves on the trees
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that's right yeah yeah no that's
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it yeah for sure yeah I think that whole seasonal affective disorder.
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I get that is a problem, but there's also something really beautiful in the city too.
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Like in late January when it's white and it's blue sky, like it's,
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you know, it's, there are a lot of really beautiful days.
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00:28:39,148 --> 00:28:42,028
Yeah and even this november like we're recording in
448
00:28:42,028 --> 00:28:44,848
november it's actually been a really nice november like it hasn't
449
00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:48,068
been cold it's barely rained it's been really sunny even
450
00:28:48,068 --> 00:28:51,108
like today was gorgeous it's cold but
451
00:28:51,108 --> 00:28:55,468
and it's dark like it's gonna get dark soon but beautiful
452
00:28:55,468 --> 00:28:58,228
view so we can't complain oh and then
453
00:28:58,228 --> 00:29:01,228
so you you said that you didn't have like a
454
00:29:01,228 --> 00:29:04,448
family history of cottaging two questions one
455
00:29:04,448 --> 00:29:07,628
like where's your family lineage from
456
00:29:07,628 --> 00:29:10,288
like have your has your family been in canada for a long
457
00:29:10,288 --> 00:29:14,148
time yeah long time yeah yeah we actually
458
00:29:14,148 --> 00:29:17,008
did the whole ancestry thing okay i know in
459
00:29:17,008 --> 00:29:20,568
fact near a really i went to see the farm that day it's
460
00:29:20,568 --> 00:29:24,988
one of those weird stories where someone called me who's like a fourth cousin
461
00:29:24,988 --> 00:29:29,808
and he has done all of this crazy research so i've i've gone to the farm i think
462
00:29:29,808 --> 00:29:33,468
a lot of people did this over covid yeah i did i didn't i couldn't get that
463
00:29:33,468 --> 00:29:38,988
far back but he did it because my family too is scottish mcnab yeah.
464
00:29:39,448 --> 00:29:43,608
So my dad's side is really like so many i don't even know how many generations
465
00:29:43,608 --> 00:29:48,328
canadian but then my mom's side her parents came from germany so just like very
466
00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:52,108
classic european mix okay so that's That's interesting.
467
00:29:52,208 --> 00:29:57,268
And then my other question was, before you built this cottage,
468
00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:00,108
you were spending a lot of time boating.
469
00:30:00,288 --> 00:30:03,328
Yes. So, can you talk about that? Yeah. So, we did that.
470
00:30:03,648 --> 00:30:06,588
I met my partner. He had a boat, 36-foot boat.
471
00:30:07,108 --> 00:30:13,168
And then we just were completely hooked. And when was – how long ago would that be? This is like –.
472
00:30:14,895 --> 00:30:20,215
2001, right? Okay. Okay. And then we bought a larger C-Ray in Detroit,
473
00:30:20,435 --> 00:30:21,755
brought it up from Detroit.
474
00:30:22,395 --> 00:30:28,435
And then, you know, sometimes I look back, I go, that's a crazy thing to do. But this is 2010.
475
00:30:29,415 --> 00:30:35,935
We bought an even larger C-Ray in Boston. And it was like white collar repossession
476
00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:38,115
where people were just handing the keys in, basically.
477
00:30:38,635 --> 00:30:43,155
So it was an amazing deal. And we had that one until 2010.
478
00:30:44,195 --> 00:30:47,435
17 16 i guess so we traveled
479
00:30:47,435 --> 00:30:50,595
all over georgian bay every i know like every little
480
00:30:50,595 --> 00:30:53,815
cove and hidden place generally away
481
00:30:53,815 --> 00:30:56,635
from cottagers yeah but there are the most
482
00:30:56,635 --> 00:30:59,435
amazing places and it
483
00:30:59,435 --> 00:31:03,395
was it's a great life it's sustainable i
484
00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:06,255
don't know because you have like 16 weeks
485
00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:09,335
of the year maybe 12 good ones
486
00:31:09,335 --> 00:31:12,035
and you need to use the boat you need to get out there and
487
00:31:12,035 --> 00:31:15,235
enjoy it and i think it's not sustainable because people if
488
00:31:15,235 --> 00:31:17,975
they both aren't into it or especially when they
489
00:31:17,975 --> 00:31:20,815
have kids it's really hard to get the whole family on the boat and go and
490
00:31:20,815 --> 00:31:23,915
weren't you saying too or maybe it was this was in the article something like
491
00:31:23,915 --> 00:31:28,935
you would feel bad if you weren't spending every weekend on the boat right and
492
00:31:28,935 --> 00:31:33,175
you'd have to turn down other events yep because you're like no no we only have
493
00:31:33,175 --> 00:31:39,195
16 weekends i mean it's probably like a summer cottage but it's just you you know No,
494
00:31:39,195 --> 00:31:42,255
and then you have to store it. It's expensive. Store it inside a building in the winter.
495
00:31:42,495 --> 00:31:44,555
Yeah. But it's an unbelievable lifestyle.
496
00:31:44,935 --> 00:31:48,275
You would dock it here in Midland? In Midland, yeah. And then there's a shed
497
00:31:48,275 --> 00:31:49,735
that it goes in and heat it in the winter.
498
00:31:50,415 --> 00:31:53,315
It's an unbelievable lifestyle. It's an unbelievable landscape.
499
00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:01,040
And I think I was just always gung-ho, like a bit of a ringleader of saying,
500
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,460
oh, we're going to go find this place, go to that place.
501
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:08,760
We would go on these crazy dinghy trips from 12 Mile Bay out to the Western
502
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,540
Islands with six dinghies and have a cookout and all of these things that were so much fun.
503
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,840
And I felt that I was really going to miss that when we – basically,
504
00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:23,180
that boat was such a great investment that it held its value and we sold the
505
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,080
boat and bought this one.
506
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Like it was actually amazing that it
507
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,220
just happened because the prices of land changed
508
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:32,840
since then so i thought i was
509
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,740
going to miss the spontaneity of voting but i
510
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:38,480
realize now that when you have a cottage you have
511
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,400
a community you can make
512
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,200
plans or you can just not make plans and you
513
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,280
do what you feel like and people drop by and you know
514
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,100
we've made friends up here mostly because of the pandemic but i
515
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:53,220
mean i can't remember going to someone's house and just sitting
516
00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:56,440
around having coffee with them but that's what happens at the cottage exactly
517
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,720
and it's amazing i made great friends that way right so you just
518
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,540
i do like the spontaneous aspect because i
519
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,280
find you know on the weekends you have to wind down a bit
520
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,340
and if you have all these appointments of social things you have to do it's
521
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:12,160
a bit of a drag but a cottage allows you to hide i also like this place because
522
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,940
people don't know you're here basically like there's no visible sign right that
523
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:22,720
you're here and i was just noticing do you guys usually do you keep a dock here with a boat.
524
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,120
So right now we have a ramp and a trailer we have our dinghy that we used to like a 50 horsepower,
525
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:34,080
but we're building this cove you can see and there'll be
526
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,180
a dock on the right side of the boat and here with this water you'd have a boat
527
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:42,000
lift that looks like you have to right because you always get the wind here
528
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,160
there are people that build these huge harbors we're not going to do that but
529
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,180
so we started and it was a beach there but right now we just take it out,
530
00:33:51,904 --> 00:33:55,944
Don't leave it in. Yeah. No, that makes total sense. And it's funny that,
531
00:33:56,004 --> 00:34:00,304
you know, I think because you're here so much, but still June,
532
00:34:00,404 --> 00:34:05,304
like the water's still, May 24th is not what I remember May 24th being.
533
00:34:05,384 --> 00:34:06,544
It's still going to be quite cold.
534
00:34:06,644 --> 00:34:09,584
Oh, my God. I know. I know. And I have some Muskoka friends.
535
00:34:09,804 --> 00:34:12,284
You know, the lakes in Muskoka get so warm.
536
00:34:12,664 --> 00:34:18,144
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I've always been a Georgian Bay girl, I will say.
537
00:34:18,664 --> 00:34:22,864
And I love the cold water personally. i think it's good for you it's good for
538
00:34:22,864 --> 00:34:28,364
your head and it's also just way more refreshing i take cold clean water cold
539
00:34:28,364 --> 00:34:32,504
and cold and clean yeah me too rather than warm and kind of murky i wanted to
540
00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:38,424
ask you how you landed on this property oh so that's interesting because.
541
00:34:39,704 --> 00:34:45,144
We had traveled a lot and remote parts like northern lake huron north of manitoulin
542
00:34:45,144 --> 00:34:46,744
north channel beautiful beautiful
543
00:34:46,744 --> 00:34:51,804
places and i just loved how remote it felt so i could never really,
544
00:34:52,644 --> 00:34:56,644
see myself my partner's family had cottages in woodland beach which is more
545
00:34:56,644 --> 00:35:03,404
like rows of houses back streets you know like and i just felt it would be like
546
00:35:03,404 --> 00:35:07,484
going to suburbia and you're afraid of yeah so you can't really replace the
547
00:35:07,484 --> 00:35:11,664
landscape you have on a boat because because you can be just, you know, miles no one.
548
00:35:12,324 --> 00:35:17,704
But we started to look at maybe buying a smaller boat and then buying a large
549
00:35:17,704 --> 00:35:20,484
acreage and building a house looking over Georgian Bay.
550
00:35:21,644 --> 00:35:25,484
And we actually found one that had most of the right things.
551
00:35:26,144 --> 00:35:30,024
But when I added it up and I saw just you watching real estate listings and
552
00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:33,884
you're seeing these houses that people are building, these large timber frame
553
00:35:33,884 --> 00:35:36,804
houses that aren't on the water,
554
00:35:37,524 --> 00:35:40,264
and they just could not sell them to be honest like
555
00:35:40,264 --> 00:35:43,124
i i couldn't see how they could sell it to even get
556
00:35:43,124 --> 00:35:46,484
back the value of what they put into the building right so i
557
00:35:46,484 --> 00:35:49,184
it was a financial decision it's like i felt i had
558
00:35:49,184 --> 00:35:52,144
to be on the water to hold value
559
00:35:52,144 --> 00:35:54,964
for sure property so we came out here
560
00:35:54,964 --> 00:35:57,924
and saw one property a few doors down it was for sale
561
00:35:57,924 --> 00:36:00,984
large frontage it had an older house on
562
00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:03,864
it so we would have had to renovate it and it wasn't that big on
563
00:36:03,864 --> 00:36:06,884
that it also was a lot of money and the
564
00:36:06,884 --> 00:36:10,184
house is built like right up against the property line so eventually someone's
565
00:36:10,184 --> 00:36:13,164
gonna build right beside you even though it felt remote wouldn't be
566
00:36:13,164 --> 00:36:15,884
anyway so and then we looked
567
00:36:15,884 --> 00:36:19,124
at our neighbor's house here was for sale and we yeah and
568
00:36:19,124 --> 00:36:22,004
then we this land was always here and
569
00:36:22,004 --> 00:36:24,864
then i don't know it just clicked rick
570
00:36:24,864 --> 00:36:27,704
and i we we were in that house we weren't interested in
571
00:36:27,704 --> 00:36:32,064
the house it's a very cool house it was good to see inside it and we know that
572
00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:36,364
people have been in there there since but so we saw this land and we walked
573
00:36:36,364 --> 00:36:42,064
around and looked at it and i remember we drove down like halfway back to toronto
574
00:36:42,064 --> 00:36:44,884
like down not a wasaga bay to look at another property,
575
00:36:45,384 --> 00:36:47,324
and we both said you know that's it.
576
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:53,020
And we drove all the way back again. And it was just this weird thing. And it just happened.
577
00:36:53,220 --> 00:37:00,880
It was in April. We put in the offer, a bit of a stink offer, but the vendor took it.
578
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,780
So, of course, my partner thought, oh, we could have gotten it for $5,000 less or whatever.
579
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,820
But she just took it. Because it had some weird thing.
580
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,900
It's a zoning issue, which was across the township.
581
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,760
But I knew what to do. so we just we arranged for
582
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,880
a long closing and we covered all the costs of all
583
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,840
of that but it was a very long closing so that's
584
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,840
how we found it but it was dense bush very difficult
585
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,140
to walk through like completely scrub i guess now we can start talking about
586
00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:39,360
this project so you named this project project 22 yes was that so this actually
587
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,300
ties into what we just talked about yeah so this This is a long linear house.
588
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:48,440
It's 108 feet long and it's 22 feet wide.
589
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:53,240
The reason it's 22 feet wide is they're engineered joists and it was a maximum
590
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,940
span of the type of floor system we wanted to use without having an intermediate
591
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:58,900
wall downstairs. It's a cost issue.
592
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,060
And I just, the idea of this house is just, I like to do something that's very simple.
593
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:11,180
Make a rule, strong rule, but then break it, right? Like make the rule and then
594
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:13,220
make a hole in it. Make a hole in the house.
595
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:17,020
Do things with it. So manipulate the simple idea.
596
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:22,160
So the reason it's long and thin is there was a setback issue from the water,
597
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,860
which you need to respect the average of your neighbors.
598
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:32,120
And there's a hydro-radiable way behind it. So if I actually was to just buy the lot, follow –,
599
00:38:32,838 --> 00:38:35,898
all of the requirements i'd have to build my house behind the hydro
600
00:38:35,898 --> 00:38:38,598
which would be weird right so that's why it
601
00:38:38,598 --> 00:38:41,638
took long longer to close so did you do some
602
00:38:41,638 --> 00:38:45,478
sort of feasibility study before you purchased it to find out what you would
603
00:38:45,478 --> 00:38:49,698
want to do i kind of knew what you or you just so so the linear form was kind
604
00:38:49,698 --> 00:38:53,378
of keeping it away from the water and i didn't want to look at the hydro lines
605
00:38:53,378 --> 00:38:58,838
keeping it you know you wouldn't make a u-shaped house here because of these conditions right so So,
606
00:38:58,858 --> 00:39:01,478
that was the idea. So, the form really came from the constraint.
607
00:39:01,798 --> 00:39:05,338
Yeah. Yeah. That's typical. I mean. The other part of it is,
608
00:39:05,418 --> 00:39:11,298
I guess, our boats were large and they had like guest bathroom, everything.
609
00:39:11,398 --> 00:39:14,318
So, guests would feel very comfortable there.
610
00:39:14,498 --> 00:39:19,458
But we're just not big guest people in the sense that we're probably not great house guests.
611
00:39:20,218 --> 00:39:24,398
So, I just had this idea that the guests would be in another wing of the house.
612
00:39:24,598 --> 00:39:28,718
Right. So that I believe on weekends, people can just do what they want.
613
00:39:28,798 --> 00:39:31,038
You can go have a nap. You don't have to make any excuses.
614
00:39:31,618 --> 00:39:34,558
Yeah, really do what you want. Yeah, so you're not walking down the same corridor.
615
00:39:34,638 --> 00:39:41,938
And I think most of our houses use that type of strategy. Yeah, the design of your firm.
616
00:39:42,458 --> 00:39:46,958
Yeah, the houses would always, cottages in particular, that people would want
617
00:39:46,958 --> 00:39:49,978
to have it kind of spread out like that. So while we're talking about it,
618
00:39:50,018 --> 00:39:55,698
can you maybe just visually describe the layout for the listeners?
619
00:39:55,998 --> 00:40:00,978
We'll have maybe a plan if possible on the on the website to show people.
620
00:40:01,118 --> 00:40:05,178
Yeah. So it's a long, it's a dark house. It's.
621
00:40:06,048 --> 00:40:09,628
Gray which has actually a slightly green tinge
622
00:40:09,628 --> 00:40:12,388
to it the woods down by the water
623
00:40:12,388 --> 00:40:15,388
here are mostly hemlock some pine but it's.
624
00:40:15,388 --> 00:40:18,548
All almost all evergreen trees so the
625
00:40:18,548 --> 00:40:21,408
color of the siding i really like because it does actually kind of.
626
00:40:21,408 --> 00:40:24,268
Blend with the trees when i come
627
00:40:24,268 --> 00:40:28,168
down the driveway it's a one story house but the
628
00:40:28,168 --> 00:40:31,268
main living space is on that level and then there's a nine
629
00:40:31,268 --> 00:40:34,348
foot ceiling basement which faces the
630
00:40:34,348 --> 00:40:37,408
lake and it has walkouts from every room the whole
631
00:40:37,408 --> 00:40:40,428
length so it's a long thin house with the
632
00:40:40,428 --> 00:40:43,648
bedroom at one end the large
633
00:40:43,648 --> 00:40:47,028
living room stair kitchen dining
634
00:40:47,028 --> 00:40:49,968
and sitting area with
635
00:40:49,968 --> 00:40:52,628
the fireplace and then there's a hole in the house that you can
636
00:40:52,628 --> 00:40:55,548
walk through the house and that's an outdoor room so it's open to the forest
637
00:40:55,548 --> 00:40:58,588
roadside and it will road towards
638
00:40:58,588 --> 00:41:01,648
the road and towards the the lake and across
639
00:41:01,648 --> 00:41:04,388
i walked through that outdoor room it was
640
00:41:04,388 --> 00:41:07,188
supposed to have screens on it was supposed to be a screened room but we
641
00:41:07,188 --> 00:41:09,908
didn't do it because there aren't many bugs here and we
642
00:41:09,908 --> 00:41:12,768
actually use the interior of the house at large windows that
643
00:41:12,768 --> 00:41:15,428
open so we if there were bugs we would eat in
644
00:41:15,428 --> 00:41:18,368
here i'll find if we have a fire outside there's
645
00:41:18,368 --> 00:41:21,628
almost no chance of having bugs around you so then
646
00:41:21,628 --> 00:41:24,808
across the outdoor room there's a guest room so
647
00:41:24,808 --> 00:41:27,548
the idea of that was we didn't want to build other
648
00:41:27,548 --> 00:41:30,728
outbuildings on the site so it's like the guests have a bunkie
649
00:41:30,728 --> 00:41:33,788
of their own so they technically walk outside
650
00:41:33,788 --> 00:41:38,868
to go to their room you can't hear them they can't hear you and just before
651
00:41:38,868 --> 00:41:42,848
i walk into the guest room there's a staircase that goes down to the lower level
652
00:41:42,848 --> 00:41:47,288
so they can go down that staircase walk through the big recreation room down.
653
00:41:47,288 --> 00:41:51,268
The hallways and come up the other staircase so it is linked internally.
654
00:41:52,626 --> 00:41:55,686
But I mean, people stayed here on Christmas and just walked outside.
655
00:41:55,866 --> 00:41:56,986
It's a very short commute.
656
00:41:57,426 --> 00:42:03,426
20 feet. Yeah. And I think that outdoor room for me coming from a boat was like
657
00:42:03,426 --> 00:42:04,486
the most important thing.
658
00:42:04,626 --> 00:42:09,506
I needed to have something that was, I think when you live on a boat,
659
00:42:09,626 --> 00:42:12,386
you are very in tune with the weather.
660
00:42:12,466 --> 00:42:17,486
And when it rains, there is not a lot you can do. Right. So that room is big
661
00:42:17,486 --> 00:42:19,586
and it's bigger than we need.
662
00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:22,826
We did have friends the first year. they came up and
663
00:42:22,826 --> 00:42:25,486
it was a terrible weekend we actually took the
664
00:42:25,486 --> 00:42:28,606
furniture off the deck and brought furniture in
665
00:42:28,606 --> 00:42:31,386
put a carpet down so we had like a living room and dining room in
666
00:42:31,386 --> 00:42:35,886
there for that weekend okay which was great because it was you're outside you're
667
00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:40,846
enjoying being in nature but you're under this massive roof right so i think
668
00:42:40,846 --> 00:42:46,246
one other feature of this floor is we built the deck a large deck off the front
669
00:42:46,246 --> 00:42:50,626
of the house and it has kind of a carport underneath it But we lowered it down.
670
00:42:51,046 --> 00:42:55,106
I just didn't want to look at it. So I don't want to be in the living room looking
671
00:42:55,106 --> 00:42:58,406
through furniture, especially in the winter. You see, like, snow on everything.
672
00:42:58,986 --> 00:43:03,046
So it just kind of disappears from where you are.
673
00:43:03,126 --> 00:43:05,946
And then in the basement, there are two more bedrooms, again,
674
00:43:06,006 --> 00:43:07,926
at each end, with en suite bathrooms.
675
00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:11,546
And there's a recreation room, laundry, everything else.
676
00:43:11,986 --> 00:43:16,006
Can you talk a little bit about how boating –.
677
00:43:16,923 --> 00:43:19,843
Design inspired some of the design elements in
678
00:43:19,843 --> 00:43:22,963
the cottage yeah so i think it
679
00:43:22,963 --> 00:43:26,063
was kind of i never thought i'd
680
00:43:26,063 --> 00:43:29,443
ever want to quit boating but it is something the age out of
681
00:43:29,443 --> 00:43:32,083
financially you just say i can't afford to do this for the rest
682
00:43:32,083 --> 00:43:35,843
of my life it's a lot of money but we my
683
00:43:35,843 --> 00:43:38,463
partner and i both love boats and we've spent a lot
684
00:43:38,463 --> 00:43:41,143
of time in bahamas with our friends and go to the
685
00:43:41,143 --> 00:43:44,243
fort lauderdale boat show and just like are fascinated by
686
00:43:44,243 --> 00:43:47,443
boats so i felt that this house was like probably where
687
00:43:47,443 --> 00:43:50,283
you're sitting you're looking towards the fireplace but i felt like
688
00:43:50,283 --> 00:43:55,123
it's kind of like a yacht it's like the glass out the sides it's a long thin
689
00:43:55,123 --> 00:44:00,443
thing right it has that even though it's in a forest it has a lot of those aspects
690
00:44:00,443 --> 00:44:06,263
we did some things like pathway lighting through the house low lights that are
691
00:44:06,263 --> 00:44:08,463
also good so they don't reflect in the windows so.
692
00:44:09,003 --> 00:44:11,963
When as it's getting darker you don't see reflection of
693
00:44:11,963 --> 00:44:14,943
light everywhere were staircases we
694
00:44:14,943 --> 00:44:17,783
used a lot of stainless steel details of
695
00:44:17,783 --> 00:44:21,563
the staircase are not literally from a boat they
696
00:44:21,563 --> 00:44:24,463
don't look nautical but they look like what you'd expect
697
00:44:24,463 --> 00:44:31,923
to find yeah like i love the um ipe decking stairs yeah that yeah so the staircases
698
00:44:31,923 --> 00:44:39,043
are both made of wood that you would expect to find i love that and then maybe
699
00:44:39,043 --> 00:44:43,823
we can talk just a little bit about some of the the material elements that you chose for the cottage?
700
00:44:44,283 --> 00:44:49,943
Okay, so I built, I started thinking about this house, I think I was like 55
701
00:44:49,943 --> 00:44:53,643
at the time, and I did not want to maintain anything.
702
00:44:53,863 --> 00:45:00,043
Like I just, so the only piece of wood outside of this house is a handrail on the deck.
703
00:45:00,223 --> 00:45:05,663
And I was even going to oil it at first, and it's also e-pay. Oh, it's just that tall.
704
00:45:05,883 --> 00:45:10,823
Yeah, above the glass handrail. And I thought I would oil it, and I was like, no.
705
00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:14,343
Just let it go silver. And that is the only piece of wood. So there's nothing
706
00:45:14,343 --> 00:45:16,783
to maintain. I mean, the windows need to be cleaned.
707
00:45:17,742 --> 00:45:20,542
Now but and you know you
708
00:45:20,542 --> 00:45:23,222
the siding system you can basically kind of
709
00:45:23,222 --> 00:45:25,982
not even power wash it just with the hose you know when
710
00:45:25,982 --> 00:45:28,722
there's pollen you know and what material is so it's
711
00:45:28,722 --> 00:45:31,602
corrugated vic west metal it
712
00:45:31,602 --> 00:45:34,742
has a matte finish so it's not shiny and it's
713
00:45:34,742 --> 00:45:37,682
put on horizontally so that system
714
00:45:37,682 --> 00:45:41,262
we actually designed for a house we did before this but the
715
00:45:41,262 --> 00:45:43,922
whole idea was their battens that to
716
00:45:43,922 --> 00:45:46,802
cover the seams and all of the fasteners are
717
00:45:46,802 --> 00:45:49,562
hidden so you don't look at sometimes you'll see
718
00:45:49,562 --> 00:45:52,482
corrugated metal but it looks very industrial because
719
00:45:52,482 --> 00:45:56,322
you can see all the fasteners yeah so it was very conscious not to do that it
720
00:45:56,322 --> 00:46:00,982
has a sounds japanese i don't know it has this kind of aspect very simple so
721
00:46:00,982 --> 00:46:04,882
the outside was like zero maintenance and including the landscape to be honest
722
00:46:04,882 --> 00:46:08,982
i only planted native plants there are some things that aren't but i kept those
723
00:46:08,982 --> 00:46:12,342
really really close to the house because I don't want things spreading everywhere.
724
00:46:12,802 --> 00:46:19,282
So we did plant some non-native, like thyme, lawns, things that you don't have to take care of.
725
00:46:20,622 --> 00:46:22,942
Approach to gardening at a cottage I think should be different,
726
00:46:23,082 --> 00:46:25,762
easier. Yeah. Simplify your life.
727
00:46:26,642 --> 00:46:31,702
And then inside the house, so I felt just with the amount of glass,
728
00:46:32,282 --> 00:46:33,722
wanted to have heated floors.
729
00:46:35,242 --> 00:46:38,722
And I wanted to have the same floor that went through the house indoors doors
730
00:46:38,722 --> 00:46:44,942
and out so i didn't want wood in the house so we have porcelain two foot by four foot panels,
731
00:46:45,502 --> 00:46:48,442
and it's over a lightweight concrete so they're heating tubes
732
00:46:48,442 --> 00:46:51,342
underneath and the floor is heated and the floor is heated through the whole
733
00:46:51,342 --> 00:46:55,902
house downstairs as well and that's kept so what we do is we do turn it down
734
00:46:55,902 --> 00:47:01,642
it's kept lower and there's also a furnace which can if you want to boost the
735
00:47:01,642 --> 00:47:06,142
heat quickly it'll heat up but it rarely gets used so the porcelain was a big
736
00:47:06,142 --> 00:47:07,162
commitment in In the basement,
737
00:47:07,322 --> 00:47:09,742
we took, it's polished concrete.
738
00:47:10,802 --> 00:47:16,522
We colored it with taupe color. Sounds weird. So it looks more like sand.
739
00:47:16,762 --> 00:47:19,802
Okay. And then we had pea gravel put in.
740
00:47:20,362 --> 00:47:23,282
And that was done up here. And obviously.
741
00:47:23,562 --> 00:47:28,702
And then we had some guys that we used in Toronto. And they came up and stayed in a hotel.
742
00:47:29,122 --> 00:47:37,262
But I wanted to do it so it wasn't all 100% the same. So they kind of ground more and less.
743
00:47:37,862 --> 00:47:42,002
So you will see, it kind of looks like there are stones and then other parts
744
00:47:42,002 --> 00:47:44,762
it looks more like sand, but it's slightly irregular.
745
00:47:46,621 --> 00:47:52,641
The downstairs is very simple. We did use Coruscant walnut solid core doors,
746
00:47:52,821 --> 00:47:56,601
which, again, it was stainless steel hardware, horizontal pulls,
747
00:47:56,801 --> 00:47:58,641
things that you would see on a boat.
748
00:48:00,641 --> 00:48:05,201
And it's very simple downstairs. Upstairs, so the center part of the house,
749
00:48:05,281 --> 00:48:07,761
we spent money on where we're sitting.
750
00:48:07,881 --> 00:48:10,921
So we didn't want to have much drywall or surfaces.
751
00:48:11,321 --> 00:48:15,681
So the porcelain goes up the wall to the level of the windows.
752
00:48:15,681 --> 00:48:19,781
The windows don't go right down to the floor only because you have to be careful
753
00:48:19,781 --> 00:48:24,101
how much window area you have in a house in terms of how much heat loss you
754
00:48:24,101 --> 00:48:28,601
have and this this room has a lot of glass whereas other parts of the house don't.
755
00:48:29,961 --> 00:48:33,481
So the ceiling they're douglas fir
756
00:48:33,481 --> 00:48:36,861
trusses i picked it's a
757
00:48:36,861 --> 00:48:39,961
cross kind of pattern what's really interesting is inside there
758
00:48:39,961 --> 00:48:42,841
they're actually tie rods so those
759
00:48:42,841 --> 00:48:46,101
pegs you see are actually metal plates inside
760
00:48:46,101 --> 00:48:49,061
and that is the part that's all engineered and designed
761
00:48:49,061 --> 00:48:52,481
this five moonstone timber framing and
762
00:48:52,481 --> 00:48:55,121
they did a great job this was kind of
763
00:48:55,121 --> 00:48:58,181
a fluke because they had another large job they're
764
00:48:58,181 --> 00:49:01,761
doing which is radio frequency radio kiln dried so
765
00:49:01,761 --> 00:49:04,801
they dry the wood so if you look there there
766
00:49:04,801 --> 00:49:07,741
aren't that many douglas fir will have what's called
767
00:49:07,741 --> 00:49:10,761
checking you'll see cracks in it yeah it is very little on
768
00:49:10,761 --> 00:49:13,901
these yeah we just lucked out out if it's the same price yeah
769
00:49:13,901 --> 00:49:17,501
so that has kind of an orangey color
770
00:49:17,501 --> 00:49:20,761
they're oiled and then the ceiling is i
771
00:49:20,761 --> 00:49:23,381
mean i don't really know it was i know they were
772
00:49:23,381 --> 00:49:26,161
mennonites but it was through a broker and barry so you
773
00:49:26,161 --> 00:49:29,001
basically go to somebody and they say we can get this for you and
774
00:49:29,001 --> 00:49:32,181
it ended up coming from kitchen or somewhere so it's it's
775
00:49:32,181 --> 00:49:34,921
almost 100 clear pine but it's
776
00:49:34,921 --> 00:49:37,981
rough sawn and has a small v groove that's a
777
00:49:37,981 --> 00:49:41,101
bit of a reference back to a boat that has right like
778
00:49:41,101 --> 00:49:44,581
so very small groove yeah and it's it's
779
00:49:44,581 --> 00:49:47,321
not really rough but you know you wouldn't put it on a wall or a
780
00:49:47,321 --> 00:49:51,361
floor right so it's stained gray and
781
00:49:51,361 --> 00:49:54,441
what's interesting is pine will
782
00:49:54,441 --> 00:49:57,261
yellow but the it's actually going a little bit.
783
00:49:57,261 --> 00:50:00,001
Orange um which actually ties in.
784
00:50:00,001 --> 00:50:03,021
With the contrast to the green greenish slate
785
00:50:03,021 --> 00:50:06,981
floor and and it works with the wood yeah and
786
00:50:06,981 --> 00:50:09,761
then can you i just wanted to highlight a little bit
787
00:50:09,761 --> 00:50:12,761
the lighting that you've selected too because i know that's a really
788
00:50:12,761 --> 00:50:15,601
important feature for your company i know like that's
789
00:50:15,601 --> 00:50:21,401
a big focus in your designs i love the kind of cove lighting detail you did
790
00:50:21,401 --> 00:50:27,621
in here can you just describe describe that yeah so i just the cove lighting
791
00:50:27,621 --> 00:50:34,121
is between the trusses at the joint of the ceiling to the walls it's just a really a silver over.
792
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,980
Matte aluminum powder coated like a
793
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:41,080
wing it looks sort of like it's just like a wedge and.
794
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,060
They're led lights whatever tape lights.
795
00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:46,900
Yeah most basic things and they're everything's on a dimmer
796
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:50,100
here one of those things is
797
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:53,060
just to highlight the ceiling it gives
798
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:55,880
indirect lighting and i think
799
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,420
that in combination with the lights under the windows it means
800
00:50:59,420 --> 00:51:02,320
you don't have the reflection you have have to be really careful when
801
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,060
you have a glass house because at night you'll
802
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:07,940
see soon it's dark it's black in here but you
803
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:11,020
don't get the reflection of the lights on all the glass right
804
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:13,660
i don't know if you've seen like two layers of glass you'll see
805
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:16,600
the reflection going a hundred times right drives me crazy but
806
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,820
i mean you would see it from these island lights a little bit that it
807
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:22,600
repeats so i you just have to be careful
808
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,200
how you light things and i think you use light different amounts
809
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,700
of light and different types of light different times of the the day so yeah
810
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:32,580
and then you also have some really nice details in the
811
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:35,600
bedrooms where you have some kind of low lights
812
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,560
kind of as pathway lighting and downstairs
813
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,680
you have that as well kind of to like like wayfinding kind
814
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,640
of yeah so some of them are very small fixtures and
815
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,520
then the hot there's we call it the bowling alley which is basically where
816
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,280
i'm passing under the outdoor room it's a yeah they're both
817
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,580
clico bottles like i wanted
818
00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:58,720
to get a ball that's the color of the book but i think
819
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,500
the dogs will destroy it so yeah yeah so those
820
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,520
ones are just like they're large they're probably like seven inches
821
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,320
home depot 30 bucks i like those but
822
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,560
i wouldn't have done them everywhere because they're kind of and they're just.
823
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,480
You know 12 inches off the floor so the hallway is lit.
824
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,620
And then you don't really have any overhead lighting do you there are there
825
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:22,960
are so where we put recessed lighting i only do it where there's going to be
826
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,600
artwork gotcha so i I highlight we had a lot of the paintings we actually bought.
827
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,560
Through the Georgian Bayland Trust auctions and they're not all here right now
828
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,680
because we did some things at home.
829
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:35,060
But so we picked pieces and put them and lit them.
830
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:38,620
So I go down the stairs and I see the painting and it, you know,
831
00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:42,160
it's enough to get around, but I don't put like a grid of pod lights everywhere. Yeah.
832
00:52:42,787 --> 00:52:47,547
Yeah. And then the last thing in here I wanted to talk about was your stone wall.
833
00:52:48,067 --> 00:52:51,867
Okay. So it's a quirky thing. It has a nice story behind it.
834
00:52:52,967 --> 00:52:58,787
This area, you see a lot of this. So we're sort of near a place called Cedar Point.
835
00:52:58,947 --> 00:53:03,727
And these are old log cabins, cottages that they built on the beaches there.
836
00:53:04,187 --> 00:53:08,847
And they'll always have the little rocks put in to make the fireplace.
837
00:53:08,847 --> 00:53:11,967
So they look like cocoa puffs all stuck together. yeah like
838
00:53:11,967 --> 00:53:14,667
rounded rocks yeah they're round you know
839
00:53:14,667 --> 00:53:17,767
like the size of your hand maybe because they're just everywhere you
840
00:53:17,767 --> 00:53:21,647
find thousands and thousands so i
841
00:53:21,647 --> 00:53:24,647
didn't think that was like something i
842
00:53:24,647 --> 00:53:27,787
wanted to do i found them a little not tacky but
843
00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:30,827
a bit you know whatever so i wanted to make a comment on
844
00:53:30,827 --> 00:53:34,567
it so we were fascinated by
845
00:53:34,567 --> 00:53:38,567
traveling around georgia bay and seeing all the rock and then
846
00:53:38,567 --> 00:53:41,247
coming here and finding all these boulders on
847
00:53:41,247 --> 00:53:45,367
the shore and every color like jade green black gold
848
00:53:45,367 --> 00:53:50,627
they're ones that have must be some kind of iron oxide that they they turn rust
849
00:53:50,627 --> 00:53:54,947
color and and all of the typical colors of rock you see on the east side of
850
00:53:54,947 --> 00:54:02,147
georgian bay are here but they're round or boulders so we built this again it's
851
00:54:02,147 --> 00:54:04,187
like a powder coated aluminum color.
852
00:54:05,207 --> 00:54:08,707
Structure with shelves on it that are actually like blades so
853
00:54:08,707 --> 00:54:11,507
they're like like the lighting valence it just has
854
00:54:11,507 --> 00:54:15,887
a little dent in it yeah we did it on the outdoor room fireplace and the indoor
855
00:54:15,887 --> 00:54:21,647
fireplace and on those shelves are these rocks so we started by collecting them
856
00:54:21,647 --> 00:54:27,147
around mostly here but you'd just be working outside you find a cool rock and
857
00:54:27,147 --> 00:54:30,527
then i had piles of them and we started So, we started doing that.
858
00:54:30,567 --> 00:54:32,967
I think we had the photo shoots. We had to go and get a ton of rocks.
859
00:54:33,207 --> 00:54:38,407
And then that year, it was my 60th birthday and my partner arranged this amazing
860
00:54:38,407 --> 00:54:42,007
party and he asked everyone to bring a rock.
861
00:54:43,058 --> 00:54:47,098
So, their neighbors that came, they brought rocks. The rocks that they like,
862
00:54:47,118 --> 00:54:51,518
people came from Lake Muskoka, that they brought rocks that they found on their walk that they like.
863
00:54:51,798 --> 00:54:54,678
People came from Italy, people come from everywhere, and they brought.
864
00:54:54,758 --> 00:54:56,678
So, we wrote the names of the people on them.
865
00:54:56,898 --> 00:55:00,098
And I can't remember all of them, but, I mean, if I go and look,
866
00:55:00,178 --> 00:55:01,478
I know who gave us the rocks.
867
00:55:01,578 --> 00:55:08,198
So, they're not all gifts, but it just gave kind of an instant history to a place that was all new.
868
00:55:08,558 --> 00:55:15,318
Yeah, I love that. but it's just like so sweet but it also looks great and i
869
00:55:15,318 --> 00:55:16,578
just i like your comments,
870
00:55:17,178 --> 00:55:20,418
you know that it's reflective of the the local
871
00:55:20,418 --> 00:55:23,238
design and just in a different way i love that
872
00:55:23,238 --> 00:55:26,258
i wanted to talk just a little bit about
873
00:55:26,258 --> 00:55:29,318
the passive heating and cooling principles that
874
00:55:29,318 --> 00:55:32,478
you used in the project so you'd
875
00:55:32,478 --> 00:55:35,578
mentioned some like deep overhangs that shelter the interior
876
00:55:35,578 --> 00:55:40,358
from the the summer sun can you talk a little bit about that yeah so i guess
877
00:55:40,358 --> 00:55:45,438
this is on any waterfront property i think the fact is you're going to want
878
00:55:45,438 --> 00:55:49,278
to look at the view of the water right so you're not always going to look the
879
00:55:49,278 --> 00:55:54,218
right way yeah so this property looks kind of north and west.
880
00:55:55,878 --> 00:55:58,958
So no matter what you're already working against yourself
881
00:55:58,958 --> 00:56:02,178
in terms of that but i also wanted afternoon
882
00:56:02,178 --> 00:56:05,698
sun in the winter so we did glass
883
00:56:05,698 --> 00:56:10,598
to the forest which is absolutely beautiful in the winter and off season it's
884
00:56:10,598 --> 00:56:15,378
so pretty right now yeah and then you see a lot more when the there are some
885
00:56:15,378 --> 00:56:18,398
deciduous trees so you see more now than you do in the summer it's more like
886
00:56:18,398 --> 00:56:22,178
a wall in the summer but you get a lot of sunlight that sunlight comes like
887
00:56:22,178 --> 00:56:24,638
halfway across the floor and so it's
888
00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:28,750
And that's definitely contributed to some passive heating.
889
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:33,030
But I think the fact is you have to deal with the orientation you're given.
890
00:56:33,130 --> 00:56:35,450
It's not like you're going to make the house face the other way.
891
00:56:35,710 --> 00:56:40,490
It's a lot harder when you're dealing with a property on a lake because it's
892
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:44,370
not like you're just in a farmer's field and you can orient it exactly how you want.
893
00:56:44,570 --> 00:56:46,910
Right. So it's a bit of a different context.
894
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:51,470
Yeah. And I think, I mean, we're really fortunate to be able to see sunsets here.
895
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:54,210
There are three weeks of the
896
00:56:54,210 --> 00:56:57,550
year when it's blinding in the kitchen but
897
00:56:57,550 --> 00:57:00,230
we've talked about and i will never do it but
898
00:57:00,230 --> 00:57:03,310
it's fine like it's like it's like a half an hour of blinding
899
00:57:03,310 --> 00:57:06,050
something yeah you'll never do what well put blinds on
900
00:57:06,050 --> 00:57:09,350
yeah so yeah oh
901
00:57:09,350 --> 00:57:12,250
you can talk about just quickly how these windows all
902
00:57:12,250 --> 00:57:15,210
open up that's a really nice detail yeah so
903
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:23,010
these uh they're 12 foot wide panels and not all of them but the main ones and
904
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:28,550
so you can open up total on the lakeside of 16 feet across one post so that's
905
00:57:28,550 --> 00:57:32,390
such a screen massive screens and on the other side eight feet.
906
00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:37,890
But you can open up we could never open all the windows here it's just too it's
907
00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:44,450
too much so but we do there is air conditioning here i think last year we put
908
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:47,330
it on once it is important for For,
909
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:50,250
I mean, for the building envelope and humidity,
910
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:53,890
you have to be careful what you do, right? You can't just. Like regulation. Yeah.
911
00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:59,230
So, but you really don't need air conditioning here. I think if you face south
912
00:57:59,230 --> 00:58:00,730
with this much glass, you'd need it.
913
00:58:01,846 --> 00:58:05,746
Yeah, for sure. And then I was going to ask you, was there any,
914
00:58:05,786 --> 00:58:11,746
like, innovative technologies or concepts you used in this project that were really exciting?
915
00:58:12,566 --> 00:58:16,846
I guess deciding, to me, was interesting. We developed it from where we were.
916
00:58:18,766 --> 00:58:21,986
Innovative, I don't know. Like, I had fun drawing the elevations and thinking
917
00:58:21,986 --> 00:58:26,526
out especially the lake side because the windows are kind of overlapping and
918
00:58:26,526 --> 00:58:27,746
shifting and there's a pattern.
919
00:58:27,766 --> 00:58:33,286
But it's not a slave to symmetry or anything, right? I think one technical detail,
920
00:58:33,386 --> 00:58:37,926
which was in that fine home building article, is just that outdoor room to make
921
00:58:37,926 --> 00:58:40,386
this floor go from inside the house to outside.
922
00:58:40,466 --> 00:58:44,106
So there's no floor heating outside, obviously, but I have to slope the floor
923
00:58:44,106 --> 00:58:45,886
from the center. It slopes down.
924
00:58:46,066 --> 00:58:50,666
So if any water did get in there, it would run out. Gotcha. So you can just hose the floor down.
925
00:58:50,826 --> 00:58:55,286
But it's made up of a series of membranes. So it's a roof membrane.
926
00:58:55,286 --> 00:58:58,126
Membrane there is something called so it's
927
00:58:58,126 --> 00:59:00,766
made by the company schluter troba which is a
928
00:59:00,766 --> 00:59:03,646
thick kind of dimple membrane that allows
929
00:59:03,646 --> 00:59:07,926
if any water gets down there it allows it to drain out and then there's another
930
00:59:07,926 --> 00:59:13,226
then there's lightweight concrete or normal concrete to make the slope and then
931
00:59:13,226 --> 00:59:18,086
we have detra which is the one used in bathrooms yeah so they're decoupling
932
00:59:18,086 --> 00:59:23,426
membranes so that nothing will break or freeze or whatever. I just did a CEU and flew around.
933
00:59:23,766 --> 00:59:27,626
So, yeah, it was a lot of, that was a lot. And it was really hard to explain.
934
00:59:27,786 --> 00:59:30,286
No one had used. That is a lot of layers.
935
00:59:30,686 --> 00:59:33,746
It's a lot of layers, but the tile setters were like, oh, I don't know about
936
00:59:33,746 --> 00:59:35,786
this. And they're all, everyone was afraid to do it.
937
00:59:35,826 --> 00:59:41,046
So did you, did you kind of have to be here on site when that was happening to make sure that it was?
938
00:59:41,466 --> 00:59:45,326
Yeah. So, I mean, this took a lot of time from my office too.
939
00:59:45,326 --> 00:59:53,566
Like i would be here and then like we'd drive from toronto get here at 80 30 and then like leave.
940
00:59:55,103 --> 00:59:57,803
You know, leave and go back, but someone else from the office will come another
941
00:59:57,803 --> 01:00:00,263
day. Yeah. So there's a lot of up and down.
942
01:00:00,503 --> 01:00:07,003
It's what got the job done quick, for sure. I think there was a getting local
943
01:00:07,003 --> 01:00:10,323
trades on your timeline was not easy, right?
944
01:00:10,383 --> 01:00:12,963
And that's, I don't want to trash any local trades.
945
01:00:13,103 --> 01:00:17,943
But I think that people, sometimes when they're building a new build house,
946
01:00:18,003 --> 01:00:21,563
they don't realize how big the job is, and people will travel.
947
01:00:21,723 --> 01:00:24,983
So we found we started to look for people
948
01:00:24,983 --> 01:00:28,643
areas like berry and even for
949
01:00:28,643 --> 01:00:31,563
the south new market because those people would be useful
950
01:00:31,563 --> 01:00:34,343
to us in the city also like they will travel you could build a
951
01:00:34,343 --> 01:00:37,263
connection with them yeah and it's just like you're not you may not find the
952
01:00:37,263 --> 01:00:40,003
people or like just this floor like at the time
953
01:00:40,003 --> 01:00:42,703
no one up here had done a floor with that size of
954
01:00:42,703 --> 01:00:45,423
tile like they they were all afraid of it i
955
01:00:45,423 --> 01:00:48,263
want to say we talked to like 17 different
956
01:00:48,263 --> 01:00:50,943
tile setters it was insane in the end the guys that did
957
01:00:50,943 --> 01:00:53,803
it were were great guy from barry did a
958
01:00:53,803 --> 01:00:56,663
good job scale time no i there people were afraid
959
01:00:56,663 --> 01:00:59,423
of it right but who's so so you can't make
960
01:00:59,423 --> 01:01:02,243
someone do something they haven't done and you kind of don't want them to
961
01:01:02,243 --> 01:01:04,943
yeah so i think also you know we
962
01:01:04,943 --> 01:01:10,003
tend to we use obviously a lot of local trades but we also do bring people from
963
01:01:10,003 --> 01:01:13,683
the city for certain things because it's like a known quantity they've done
964
01:01:13,683 --> 01:01:18,883
it before and it's i think timelines are important because you know this is
965
01:01:18,883 --> 01:01:22,043
a joke always about hunting season and don't look for someone after November
966
01:01:22,043 --> 01:01:24,523
1st, et cetera, but... It's kind of true.
967
01:01:24,843 --> 01:01:28,183
You know, but there is a rhythm and I think, you know, and I can't say some
968
01:01:28,183 --> 01:01:30,163
of the jobs we have that people are amazing and.
969
01:01:30,761 --> 01:01:33,701
Right super organized but it's just i think
970
01:01:33,701 --> 01:01:36,701
you have to spread your wings a bit when you're building something that's custom made
971
01:01:36,701 --> 01:01:39,821
and look for different people with
972
01:01:39,821 --> 01:01:43,121
different skills different places they will try yeah and then
973
01:01:43,121 --> 01:01:46,381
how long did the process take i
974
01:01:46,381 --> 01:01:49,321
guess from start to finish like from when you purchased the
975
01:01:49,321 --> 01:01:52,721
property until when it was completed yeah so we purchased um
976
01:01:52,721 --> 01:01:56,681
i think it closed august 1 and we like
977
01:01:56,681 --> 01:01:59,561
the closing day is interviewing people with the road to
978
01:01:59,561 --> 01:02:02,321
build the road in and clear the lot so we
979
01:02:02,321 --> 01:02:05,081
got a few prices on that we had guys so in the fall they were
980
01:02:05,081 --> 01:02:07,881
cutting the trees they cleared the lot in a really
981
01:02:07,881 --> 01:02:10,781
rough way like i mean there were no trees but it was you
982
01:02:10,781 --> 01:02:14,461
know so that was all done by october
983
01:02:14,461 --> 01:02:17,321
and we shut it down and then we wanted to start right
984
01:02:17,321 --> 01:02:21,281
away in the spring but realistically i think it was like may 15th so
985
01:02:21,281 --> 01:02:24,101
we started and things went you
986
01:02:24,101 --> 01:02:27,161
know something always goes wrong but i
987
01:02:27,161 --> 01:02:30,481
had to fire the framing crew they drove me completely crazy
988
01:02:30,481 --> 01:02:33,581
but it happened because you said this place is conventionally framed
989
01:02:33,581 --> 01:02:36,341
with it's yeah yeah it looks like a steel house
990
01:02:36,341 --> 01:02:41,561
but it's yeah the timber trusses are real and they do their structural job but
991
01:02:41,561 --> 01:02:49,181
they sit on posts right yeah would not steal so then i think the first time
992
01:02:49,181 --> 01:02:54,721
we stayed here was the weekend before Easter of the next spring.
993
01:02:54,901 --> 01:02:58,861
And that was... Really? Yeah. My partner wanted to have things.
994
01:03:01,388 --> 01:03:04,608
No and he was just like he goes and now he
995
01:03:04,608 --> 01:03:08,028
knows he sees me so fast he sees people building
996
01:03:08,028 --> 01:03:10,668
now and he goes oh my god i can't believe how fast that was
997
01:03:10,668 --> 01:03:14,308
we have project the project in nova scotia i was talking about they started
998
01:03:14,308 --> 01:03:20,448
building in 2019 and just finished it really yeah no i mean i know there are
999
01:03:20,448 --> 01:03:24,048
houses up here there's a spectacular house here and it took them eight years
1000
01:03:24,048 --> 01:03:29,008
to build it but when you go in the house you know why yeah anyways this was efficient yes So,
1001
01:03:29,128 --> 01:03:32,408
I think the first weekend we stayed, there were no kitchen counters.
1002
01:03:32,588 --> 01:03:36,408
But Easter weekend, like we cooked in the oven. So, it was like.
1003
01:03:36,868 --> 01:03:43,788
Oh, my gosh. So, that's like one year. Yeah. So, I mean, let's say not 100% finished. Yeah.
1004
01:03:44,388 --> 01:03:49,428
Then I'd come up here and work on weekends or maybe come up on the Friday and work with the guys.
1005
01:03:49,628 --> 01:03:53,228
And then it just got really a grind.
1006
01:03:53,308 --> 01:03:56,308
So, I stopped working during the summer.
1007
01:03:56,308 --> 01:03:59,208
So i want to say maybe the fireplaces weren't
1008
01:03:59,208 --> 01:04:02,128
like casing for an install right and then
1009
01:04:02,128 --> 01:04:04,888
we just it was just really hard to get people so
1010
01:04:04,888 --> 01:04:07,988
we just organized these days and it was like every two or
1011
01:04:07,988 --> 01:04:10,728
three weeks we'd have a work day and most people
1012
01:04:10,728 --> 01:04:13,588
in the office came plus we'd have
1013
01:04:13,588 --> 01:04:16,768
like i don't four carpenters plus some
1014
01:04:16,768 --> 01:04:20,248
local people and we'd have like 10 or 12 people here but
1015
01:04:20,248 --> 01:04:23,528
8 a.m to 8 p.m right and then do
1016
01:04:23,528 --> 01:04:26,448
nothing for two weeks right and we did four of those days
1017
01:04:26,448 --> 01:04:32,568
over the fall and it was 100 done so christmas i remember christmas that year
1018
01:04:32,568 --> 01:04:38,008
it was like there is nothing left to do wow i mean you still yeah i want to
1019
01:04:38,008 --> 01:04:42,568
move art around and stuff but it was all furnished and everything right so that
1020
01:04:42,568 --> 01:04:45,368
is quick that is yeah yeah that is good timing yeah yeah.
1021
01:04:46,362 --> 01:04:50,282
That's amazing. I feel like we don't have too many more questions for you.
1022
01:04:50,322 --> 01:04:53,902
Honestly, is there anything else you wanted to talk about or bring up about
1023
01:04:53,902 --> 01:04:55,662
the design or the landscape?
1024
01:04:56,442 --> 01:05:00,542
I think, well, we were talking about this a bit early, but I think the aspect
1025
01:05:00,542 --> 01:05:04,562
of, and maybe it was in one of those articles, the fine home building article
1026
01:05:04,562 --> 01:05:10,962
about aging, getting older in a cottage, building a house for at that chapter of your life.
1027
01:05:10,962 --> 01:05:13,702
I think i think that's a really
1028
01:05:13,702 --> 01:05:16,642
interesting thing and we have a lot of clients that have come to us at
1029
01:05:16,642 --> 01:05:19,742
the same point there it's also at the point that people have the resources
1030
01:05:19,742 --> 01:05:22,962
to do it but you definitely i
1031
01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:26,242
think cottage country you definitely.
1032
01:05:26,242 --> 01:05:29,002
Have to do a lot to make it easy to live in i mean
1033
01:05:29,002 --> 01:05:31,882
i always thought of this place like you don't really have
1034
01:05:31,882 --> 01:05:34,682
to go up and down the stairs in fact we often just walk out the front
1035
01:05:34,682 --> 01:05:37,662
door and down we have a driveway that goes around the lake side too so
1036
01:05:37,662 --> 01:05:40,462
we just naturally walk that way and that's a
1037
01:05:40,462 --> 01:05:43,602
lot easier when you're older yeah more like a gradual slow yeah
1038
01:05:43,602 --> 01:05:46,622
i think there are it's pretty remote here
1039
01:05:46,622 --> 01:05:50,662
in the winter we have elderly neighbors that are here all the time it
1040
01:05:50,662 --> 01:05:53,682
it feels remote it's 15 minutes to
1041
01:05:53,682 --> 01:05:56,822
like a little little tiny town yeah like to midland or
1042
01:05:56,822 --> 01:06:00,042
uh to la fontaine yeah because midland would be like another it's
1043
01:06:00,042 --> 01:06:03,862
probably almost half an hour yeah 25 minutes maybe yeah but
1044
01:06:03,862 --> 01:06:06,642
you know when i come here i like like i stayed up
1045
01:06:06,642 --> 01:06:09,302
here for a week i don't even i mean i'll go in the boat somewhere but i'm
1046
01:06:09,302 --> 01:06:12,002
not going like i don't have a reason to go
1047
01:06:12,002 --> 01:06:14,662
to town right this is great yeah i think it's
1048
01:06:14,662 --> 01:06:17,522
like a little remote place but i think i think
1049
01:06:17,522 --> 01:06:20,342
as you get older or thinking about as you're getting older how are you going
1050
01:06:20,342 --> 01:06:24,102
to be able to maximize the enjoyment a lot of the things i thought about were
1051
01:06:24,102 --> 01:06:29,922
there's that cottage country i'm in the water i'm jumping off the dock i'm doing
1052
01:06:29,922 --> 01:06:33,582
that but you know i remember my grandparents they would sit and look at things
1053
01:06:33,582 --> 01:06:36,542
you know i mean they were outside, they wouldn't necessarily go swimming.
1054
01:06:36,762 --> 01:06:40,002
Yeah. So, I think you have to kind of think as, you know, you don't have to always –.
1055
01:06:40,907 --> 01:06:43,867
I think there's ways to enjoy the place and making it easy
1056
01:06:43,867 --> 01:06:46,647
to use yeah and i mean there's so many ways to
1057
01:06:46,647 --> 01:06:49,527
do that with the design for aging in place just like
1058
01:06:49,527 --> 01:06:52,367
keeping everything level like you
1059
01:06:52,367 --> 01:06:55,187
could like live on this one floor pretty much yeah and
1060
01:06:55,187 --> 01:06:59,307
we do like between our bedroom and this big room look that's
1061
01:06:59,307 --> 01:07:02,127
where we are yeah it's and and because of
1062
01:07:02,127 --> 01:07:04,967
that the heating system zone too so you you know
1063
01:07:04,967 --> 01:07:07,647
you keep the heat on minimal in the guest room right so you're
1064
01:07:07,647 --> 01:07:10,847
not heating the entire house all the time the same exactly i think
1065
01:07:10,847 --> 01:07:14,007
another thing about that like in a sense getting older
1066
01:07:14,007 --> 01:07:17,227
is having the heated floors is an amazing
1067
01:07:17,227 --> 01:07:22,747
feeling you just feel comfortable a lot of older people get cold i'm not i'm
1068
01:07:22,747 --> 01:07:26,267
not getting old fast but i just feel i wanted to do something where i don't
1069
01:07:26,267 --> 01:07:29,307
have to think of it for sure and i think that ties into like the low maintenance
1070
01:07:29,307 --> 01:07:33,427
like you said everything oh what was the roof that was the other thing the roof
1071
01:07:33,427 --> 01:07:36,707
is it's also Also by Vic West, it's this exact same material.
1072
01:07:36,947 --> 01:07:42,567
So it's a matte finish. And it's, so what we usually do, it's a standing seam roof.
1073
01:07:43,147 --> 01:07:47,507
But some of those ones, they have kind of dimples or ridges between that don't
1074
01:07:47,507 --> 01:07:48,767
look as good. You have to be really careful.
1075
01:07:48,887 --> 01:07:53,287
So it almost looks like a custom made standing seam roof, but it's not. I'll take a look.
1076
01:07:53,487 --> 01:07:57,427
Yeah. So sometimes you'll see them, they have the standing seam,
1077
01:07:57,507 --> 01:07:58,927
but they have these little bumps. Yes.
1078
01:07:59,167 --> 01:08:01,727
And especially when they're shiny, they look a little ugly, if you ask me.
1079
01:08:02,167 --> 01:08:07,187
No, I agree. so this one has the standing seam and then it has is it flat yeah
1080
01:08:07,187 --> 01:08:12,567
I think it's 16 inches okay yeah so the whole house is all the same color yeah
1081
01:08:12,567 --> 01:08:14,687
and you haven't had any issues with that no,
1082
01:08:15,206 --> 01:08:18,386
that's that's probably the most sustainable yeah i
1083
01:08:18,386 --> 01:08:21,906
mean it has as the house goes up it has a peel
1084
01:08:21,906 --> 01:08:25,166
and stick membrane goes on the plywood roof so that's
1085
01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:30,026
a high heat membrane blue and that's on right away so the house is dry right
1086
01:08:30,026 --> 01:08:35,586
so you actually have two layers okay here we go the other things like so if
1087
01:08:35,586 --> 01:08:40,186
you look on your way we built this big shroud i call it a shroud but it's It's
1088
01:08:40,186 --> 01:08:42,266
a big enclosure around the chimneys.
1089
01:08:42,526 --> 01:08:46,826
Okay. So it's like a big gray box. It's custom colored and made,
1090
01:08:46,966 --> 01:08:48,826
lifted in place with a crane.
1091
01:08:48,946 --> 01:08:52,406
But that goes on top of the house just so you don't have those little silver
1092
01:08:52,406 --> 01:08:53,586
things sticking out all over.
1093
01:08:53,746 --> 01:08:58,626
Oh, okay. We also put, sorry, but that's back with the dog. It's okay.
1094
01:08:59,186 --> 01:09:05,046
So we also put conduit up there for, I mean, if it was impossible to put any
1095
01:09:05,046 --> 01:09:08,766
kind of solar panel here, because the forest is basically just like the south light.
1096
01:09:08,766 --> 01:09:11,506
But if there's any technology you want anything you want to do yeah
1097
01:09:11,506 --> 01:09:14,986
you have it open yeah for here yeah for sure yeah
1098
01:09:14,986 --> 01:09:18,146
unfortunately not facing the right way for that yeah
1099
01:09:18,146 --> 01:09:23,926
and so i guess you're on you're on hydro here then yeah yeah that makes sense
1100
01:09:23,926 --> 01:09:28,346
yeah i know i've interviewed some people where they're you know so remote on
1101
01:09:28,346 --> 01:09:33,206
georgian bay and then they their only option is to do solar or oh yeah for sure
1102
01:09:33,206 --> 01:09:38,066
for sure yeah i think any house like this you have to have a generator like it's It's just you,
1103
01:09:38,206 --> 01:09:41,506
it can happen and it can happen fast.
1104
01:09:41,606 --> 01:09:43,846
So I think you have to have. So you've got a generator. Yeah.
1105
01:09:44,886 --> 01:09:49,126
Well, awesome. I, the only other things that I have are my ending questions
1106
01:09:49,126 --> 01:09:55,626
and that's just kind of what are some exciting things that you've got coming up or future projects?
1107
01:09:56,786 --> 01:10:02,046
So this project has kind of led to others and I was showing you the development
1108
01:10:02,046 --> 01:10:05,226
of an idea, how it changed and they're totally different houses.
1109
01:10:05,226 --> 01:10:09,526
We took a lot of inspiration from this one, though. Yeah, so you start with something.
1110
01:10:09,846 --> 01:10:14,886
So we have one under construction, which is like three gables on a hill,
1111
01:10:15,006 --> 01:10:19,286
cottage, for a family with three boys in Minden area.
1112
01:10:20,206 --> 01:10:23,486
We finished a project in Prince Edward County, and I'm really excited.
1113
01:10:23,686 --> 01:10:27,806
This is one of my favorite things to do, is the clients asked us to come back,
1114
01:10:28,006 --> 01:10:31,466
meaning I have new clients that we're going to start on their waterfront property
1115
01:10:31,466 --> 01:10:34,386
down there, and we're going to go visit the house that's finished.
1116
01:10:34,386 --> 01:10:38,046
But I really love going back after six months to a year because I can,
1117
01:10:38,146 --> 01:10:42,966
I think you just have the perspective, whereas you've dealt with all the problems,
1118
01:10:43,046 --> 01:10:45,246
you've dealt with all the hassles. Sometimes going to the site visits,
1119
01:10:45,326 --> 01:10:46,826
it's just like, oh, now there's a thing.
1120
01:10:46,986 --> 01:10:50,306
Yeah. But you actually have time to just visit it as another person,
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which I love doing. As a guest.
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01:10:52,606 --> 01:10:54,666
Yeah. And it's a great feeling.
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01:10:55,126 --> 01:10:58,886
Yeah. So, yeah, so there are projects like that, basically.
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Yeah, that's so fun. And then it's just so nice to see everything finished and
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like they're living in it and they've added their own personal touches. For sure.
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01:11:07,077 --> 01:11:09,997
Yeah, it'll feel more like a lived in home by that point.
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It's interesting how people do live in their house.
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Like that one particular house, this couple had always had saunas on their different
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properties and we built a sauna.
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01:11:20,997 --> 01:11:24,317
Yeah. Which is like, I mean, I remember once they said to me,
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it's like, are we the crazy people to put the sauna beside the front door?
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01:11:27,697 --> 01:11:33,557
But it's this really cool thing it has a view to the west as the sun goes down
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away from the lake but you as the sun's going down the winter you can see the
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sunset from the sauna which i just thought was a cool thing to you know but
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01:11:41,617 --> 01:11:46,557
it's unconventional yeah but it's you know so people,
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01:11:47,097 --> 01:11:51,257
have these needs and ideas that they would do that i don't think many people
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01:11:51,257 --> 01:11:53,557
in toronto are We're going to build a sauna beside the front door.
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01:11:54,297 --> 01:11:56,637
A bit of a different privacy issue.
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01:11:57,497 --> 01:12:02,937
That's true, yeah. Like, hey, neighbor. Just getting in my sauna. Oh, that's so funny.
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Yeah. Is there anything else you wanted to mention or talk about?
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01:12:07,297 --> 01:12:11,277
No, I'm interested in what you're going to do. Are you going to do next season
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on this? Do you have another mission?
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01:12:13,457 --> 01:12:16,377
I don't have another mission yet. This one's still going strong.
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01:12:16,577 --> 01:12:20,637
I'm still really excited about this season. So I'm still, I know I talked to
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you about some more topics.
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That I'm pursuing like more talking to the townships about what their what their
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01:12:26,397 --> 01:12:29,757
plans are for for zoning and restrictions and that type of thing so I think
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01:12:29,757 --> 01:12:34,497
once I kind of speak to everyone that I have on my list to talk to like I've
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01:12:34,497 --> 01:12:38,237
I'm talking to architects other designers landscapers.
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01:12:38,937 --> 01:12:41,717
Builders yeah just to kind of get perspectives from
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01:12:41,717 --> 01:12:44,617
everyone yeah that's been really great but then I think
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01:12:44,617 --> 01:12:47,737
I've also talked to someone from the archipelago township but
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01:12:47,737 --> 01:12:50,937
it'd be nice to talk to more townships as well yeah
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01:12:50,937 --> 01:12:54,057
that would be kind of the next phase maybe
1155
01:12:54,057 --> 01:12:57,077
that could be its own season i'm not sure yeah
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01:12:57,077 --> 01:13:00,197
this one's still going no it's like the regulatory bodies and
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01:13:00,197 --> 01:13:03,137
yes it's happening like here in tiny township is
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01:13:03,137 --> 01:13:06,057
75 kilometers of waterfront but they
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01:13:06,057 --> 01:13:09,177
they now have this kind of moratorium on structures between
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01:13:09,177 --> 01:13:12,597
the house and the water only because say
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01:13:12,597 --> 01:13:15,477
the high water years years on the beaches people were
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01:13:15,477 --> 01:13:18,317
building stairs and all kinds of landscaping and then the water
1163
01:13:18,317 --> 01:13:21,137
would come up and just throw the stuff everywhere right and like
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01:13:21,137 --> 01:13:23,957
then what's that doing it's just being yeah and then that becomes a public
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01:13:23,957 --> 01:13:26,937
liability right so they're but every place is
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01:13:26,937 --> 01:13:32,097
different i think yeah yeah i'll probably focus more on the archipelago and
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01:13:32,097 --> 01:13:35,837
georgian bay township because that's just where i spend the most time but i
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01:13:35,837 --> 01:13:39,497
mean there's so many other townships and specifically muskoka too would be good
1169
01:13:39,497 --> 01:13:46,457
to talk about oh muskoka there's a lot of things that happen here like that I went to summer camp.
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01:13:47,822 --> 01:13:50,902
Worked at a summer camp in Northern Lake Joseph. Okay. Where about?
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01:13:51,062 --> 01:13:54,522
It's called Akon. It's a Jesuit camp. And it's the old Stanley House,
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01:13:54,582 --> 01:13:56,622
which was an old hotel. So Stanley House Road.
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01:13:57,002 --> 01:13:59,082
It is the old Stanley House.
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01:13:59,882 --> 01:14:04,062
That place used to be like, it was like Northern Georgian Bay,
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01:14:04,242 --> 01:14:06,062
Northern Lake Joseph. Like it was just bush.
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01:14:06,342 --> 01:14:10,402
And we'd go on camping trips. And now when I go to see where we went,
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01:14:10,502 --> 01:14:14,982
there's like, you know, like a 20,000 square foot house there on top of the cliffs.
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01:14:15,082 --> 01:14:18,642
There's houses on top of every bloody cliff. The places no one would ever go.
1179
01:14:18,902 --> 01:14:23,122
But I was really surprised I went back there last year. I went to Northern La
1180
01:14:23,122 --> 01:14:25,902
Grasso for an island job, actually.
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01:14:26,402 --> 01:14:30,502
The client bought the end of a peninsula and then bought the island in front.
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01:14:31,082 --> 01:14:33,222
So that would be an interesting job also. Yeah.
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01:14:34,422 --> 01:14:38,462
And I went back. I was early. So I went back to the camp, walked around like
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01:14:38,462 --> 01:14:40,422
end of October. It was a beautiful day.
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01:14:40,762 --> 01:14:44,042
But I hadn't been there for like 40 years. but
1186
01:14:44,042 --> 01:14:46,822
i was it was so weird because things that you thought
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01:14:46,822 --> 01:14:49,762
were really long distance like i remember there was some task
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01:14:49,762 --> 01:14:54,182
to swim to this peninsula and then you go there you go that is nothing like
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01:14:54,182 --> 01:14:58,322
compared to georgia bay that's like so everything's so small same thing it's
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01:14:58,322 --> 01:15:02,502
still really beautiful there but the development has been kind of out of control
1191
01:15:02,502 --> 01:15:06,942
in my opinion you know it's just kind of busy so i guess i'll just say thank
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01:15:06,942 --> 01:15:09,682
you thank you for coming out here it's It's a long drive.
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01:15:09,782 --> 01:15:14,022
No, but it's such a nice drive. So I love coming and seeing the different areas
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01:15:14,022 --> 01:15:16,082
because I never really, I never
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01:15:16,082 --> 01:15:19,342
really spent too much time here in the southern part of Georgian Bay.
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01:15:19,782 --> 01:15:23,922
It's a funny area because it's like you're not driving through forests as much.
1197
01:15:23,942 --> 01:15:25,402
You're driving through farmland. No, you're driving through farms.
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01:15:25,442 --> 01:15:28,762
And then all of a sudden you land here and I'm like, oh, now we're back in the forest.
1199
01:15:29,082 --> 01:15:31,642
Yeah. And it's this area. There is...
1200
01:15:32,410 --> 01:15:39,610
Tiny Township, I think, is all basically cottages on the 75 kilometers of waterfront.
1201
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:43,990
There's no industry. There's farming and that's it. Like there's nothing else here.
1202
01:15:44,370 --> 01:15:49,270
Yeah. A lot of little towns. That was actually funny because I've only been
1203
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:51,190
to like Midland very occasionally.
1204
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:54,950
And then I was like, oh, I've never like driven down this peninsula.
1205
01:15:55,610 --> 01:16:00,270
And I was surprised by how much was just farm country.
1206
01:16:00,270 --> 01:16:03,490
But like you were saying with that window when you're
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01:16:03,490 --> 01:16:06,810
driving kind of towards whatever road
1208
01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:10,630
is perpendicular to the lake yeah you really
1209
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:13,470
get like a clear shot of the lake and the mountains and behind
1210
01:16:13,470 --> 01:16:18,070
kind of elevated because it's a bit yeah yeah hilly and yeah those views were
1211
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:22,250
stunning and you were saying kind of that window you have in that stairwell
1212
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:26,730
yeah there's different turns you take on the way here and you just see the road
1213
01:16:26,730 --> 01:16:30,410
the cut through the trees and you see the of blue water and maybe a piece of
1214
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:32,670
an island so i wanted to kind of reproduce that in the hall,
1215
01:16:33,290 --> 01:16:36,150
it's just there's this other huge hemlock tree that we
1216
01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:38,870
kept that ends up lining up with
1217
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:45,450
it yeah yeah it's kind of perfect though i love it okay well i think we can
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01:16:45,450 --> 01:16:49,630
shut down the interview for now but yeah thank you so so much for like showing
1219
01:16:49,630 --> 01:16:52,910
me around and showing me all your details no it's been enjoyable thanks for
1220
01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:57,610
coming it's great conversation it's always fun to share things things with other designers.
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01:16:57,870 --> 01:17:02,350
So I just really appreciate you being so open. So thank you so much.
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Music.
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01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:14,370
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01:17:38,690 --> 01:17:41,610
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01:17:41,890 --> 01:17:46,710
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01:17:53,970 --> 01:17:59,010
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01:17:59,150 --> 01:18:02,930
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01:18:02,930 --> 01:18:05,550
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01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:08,850
So thank you again so much and stay tuned for another episode.
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