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A place that empowers, encourages and informs
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We'll break it through, we'll rise as strong
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Of a renewed mind journey, grace from above
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At least once or twice between the two of them
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But I have one new person today
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And they are here today to talk about Volume 3
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Of a project that was spearheaded by Dr. Heather Robinson
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Correct? Am I right?
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So Phillip, tell me the name of this project
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Because we have together talked about Volume 1
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Together we have talked about Volume 2
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And I have the pleasure now of talking to you guys about Volume 3
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So talk to me today and these listeners
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About this next part of this project
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Sure, first I want to just say thank you for having us Michelle
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The name of this book or anthology series is Educators Rise, Voices of Change
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Now we're in the third volume here
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And what we've been talking about, the overarching topic or theme
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Would be diversity, equity and inclusion
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And so in the first one we declared what DEI was
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We explained the process of what it looks like in our societies and our respective fields
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And then this third volume, what we've done is we've now
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Taken the information from the first two volumes
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To apply action steps in terms of how the reader can
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Best use these practices in their respective industries
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Okay, so when I first spoke to Dr. Heather Robinson
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And unfortunately ladies and gentlemen she's not here today
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But she has these wonderful people to stand in for her
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To share this project
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When we first talked about it, the first thing I said to her was
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Your timing is crazy because when she first brought this project to me
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We was in the new administration
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And they had completely dismantled the DEI services projects
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Within all areas of our country
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So that's the first thing I said was
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Dr. Robinson, the timing is crazy, it's baffling
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But it just proved the more we talked
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How much more was needed to be shared about it
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I learned so much from each and every one of you all
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From your careers and your experience and your education
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And it was eye-opening for me
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Because to be honest I was limited in what I understood
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About how much it did cover, right
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And I shared that multiple times, I didn't know that
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And I know if I didn't know it, someone else didn't know it as well
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So I felt that that was important
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So you made that very clear in saying that
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Now they had the part one that kind of let you know what it was
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Now when you get to the part three it's telling you
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How you can make action on it
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Okay, so my question, I want to ask this to
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The new kid on the block, Professor Steve Maynard
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Because this is one gentleman that I haven't met yet
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But I'm very happy to meet
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We did have an opportunity to chat prior to this podcast
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So what did being involved in this project mean for you?
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Why did you want to get involved in what
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Dr. Heather Robinson was doing?
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And she's coming in, mind you guys, she's on her way in right now
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So absolutely awesome
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So tell me, Professor, tell me
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Why was this important for you?
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Having me
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I got in the project
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The unnecessary attacks and demonization
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Of diversity, equity and inclusion efforts
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And being in the classroom every day
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To say, we are different
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What a boring world that would be
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Any effort
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To get rid of anything
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That has to do with diversity, equity and inclusion efforts
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Because those who are doing the attacking
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I got interested
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And I'm so grateful to Dr. Anderson
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For connecting with me and trusting me
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To contribute to Volume 3
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Because how we apply it is so
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Particularly in the classroom
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We apply it in the classroom
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I applied it during my time
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In the Marine Corps
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Everybody here is welcome
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Nobody here is excluded
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Or jumping ahead of the table
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Or getting an opportunity that's not merit-based
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I'm not getting these opportunities because of the color of my skin
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Or because somebody had to fill a quota
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No, I want to beat out
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Any and all comers
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As far as my ability to be effective
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I'm going to welcome Dr. Heather Robinson
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But I want to stick to what you said
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Because I stated we've met pretty much everyone but you
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But you're an assistant professor
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Of communications at Davidson
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And you mentioned about the Marines
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So your bio states that you're a retired marine aviation
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Specialist
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So you have a lot of experience to share
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With Dr. Heather Robinson
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What I love about this project
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To be honest and transparent
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You all come from all walks of life
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And I found that to be so interesting
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And it makes it more impactful
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Because you're just not from this vein
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You all might be
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Dealing with education now
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So that makes this even more interesting
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Welcome Dr. Heather Robinson
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We're so glad to have you
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Hey girl
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It's me again
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You had a challenge
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The devil thought he had me
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But I wanted to share with everybody
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You know this but they don't know this
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I always choose our first group interview
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And there's a reason behind it
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So whoever listened in
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I was on with Dr. Alicia
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You were one of the first podcasts I had ever gotten on before
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I knew I was like
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She's going to be a good fit to handle
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The authors that gave me a yes
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You knew to the game
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Anybody that's in an anthology with me
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I don't play about them
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So I'm not going to put you on anybody's podcast
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I'm not going to let anybody do a write up about you
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We're not doing that
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So I needed to put that out there so people would know
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I was on volume 3
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This is the podcast we were always on first
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I was ready for it
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He was explaining to us about the third one
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I'm going to apply it
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There's a feedback
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Is that me?
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It could be me
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How do you do that?
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It's not designed for it anymore
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Your job was already challenging
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How are you going to
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I don't want to get the book
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They're having a summit
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It's unfinished and unafraid
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The comparison of equity and equality
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I think we focus a lot on equality
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We don't look at the equity
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Not as it pertains to real estate
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They talk about the equity in your home
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Meaning meeting a child where they are
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Equality means
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I have Kira, Phillip, Michelle and Stu
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If you're using crayons, you're going to use crayons
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I'm explaining it to you all in one group
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You have equal materials
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That's not always the case
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I might be up there with everybody else
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I might not be
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The way you broke that down because I'm sure someone's thinking
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Whatever you said as far as
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Just a little time to the side
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Just a little time sometimes
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Why after participating in the other things
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Did you say I want to continue
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To ride this wonderful train
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I'm so happy that you asked me that
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I want to say thank you for having us on board
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It means a lot to me I'm excited to be here
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Just to make a long story short
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I get excited talking about DEI
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That I'm currently in school for my second doctorate in special education
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And American college education
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And I have learned so much
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Like so much about IEP
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Safeguard protocol
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Do efficient learning
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Create a safe environment for children
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It's been very rewarding
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I'm going to ride this wheel until the wheels fall off
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She already knows I'm coming when she calls me
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I feel like what she's doing is very impactful
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I think that it's meaningful
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It just gives me a chance to voice
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Not only in early childhood education
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Special ed, secondary education
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I'm coming up in a year of teaching higher ed
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So they could meet the goal
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And I'm so happy the way Heather explained it
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To be able to use that knowledge
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And establish new goals and objectives
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And seeing their baseline
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Just to piggyback on Dr. Heather
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Where she was able to hear the text
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Where it read out to her
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It just hurts
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What we're doing really shed light on DEI
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And DEI should be here to stay
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So I'm a big fan of it
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And whenever she calls me, I'm coming
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What I love about the conversations
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I've heard a lot of different stories and perspectives
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Of the challenges that you guys are facing
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That you guys are dealing with
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I was talking about your timing
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But I was thinking about this today
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We probably, of course, did not know
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Because no one's going to talk about it
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And one of the reasons that people don't want to talk about it
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They don't want to face the fact
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That we're talking about workplaces
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Because that's the truth
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We talked about this in the beginning
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When we talked about Value 1
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When people think about DEI, they think about employment
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But they never think about the impact of their children
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This is going to impact the resources to your children
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And that truth and that education
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Part about what DEI taking away would have done
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I think it would have made other people
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They didn't understand the impact
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Of what that is going to do
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Because once you start damaging the education of our children
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It can go decline
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But I see a hand up
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And I want to make sure I acknowledge Dr. Minister Phillip
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I know you're a minister now again
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So let's hear what you need to say
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And add to this conversation
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When looking at this through the lens
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That it has on the people
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That people have benefited from for maybe generations
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Because I think when you're looking at the sound bites
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As we did in the first couple of volumes
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We still have areas that have knowing
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I'm working on getting paid.
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I have a job.
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I have a son
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I have a job.
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Because the children at some point are going to be adults
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And they are going to be raising children
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And what is going to wind up happening is
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What is the foundation that they have
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The thoughts, the thoughts
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Listen, I absolutely agree with you
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I think the second time we were around
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We had even about the business perspective
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Am I right, Dr. Heather?
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He joined us and I never have him on our show
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It worked out because he came in right on time
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So he talked about the workplace
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And the work environment as well
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The many areas that DEI affects
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I never knew it went to that
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To that degree
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These children will become adults
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If they are ignored now
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If they are mistreated now
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Why is this an effect?
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Why is this a law?
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Do you understand the reason why that had to be put in place in the first place?
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Do you understand that?
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Do you understand that there had to be some injustice?
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There had to be some racism
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There had to be some bigotry
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For them to say, hey, we have changed this
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We have to change
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And I think people miss that part
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They miss that
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So they had to have a reform
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00:27:02,000 -->
00:27:04,000
So whenever you see something that is in place
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00:27:04,000 -->
00:27:06,000
It's not that someone said, oh, let's just do this
525
00:27:06,000 -->
00:27:08,000
Because it sounds good or it looks good
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00:27:08,000 -->
00:27:10,000
These things are implemented
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00:27:10,000 -->
00:27:12,000
Because something was done wrong
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00:27:12,000 -->
00:27:13,000
Something
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00:27:15,000
Some type of injustice was done
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00:27:15,000 -->
00:27:16,000
Some type of harmful
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00:27:17,000
Someone died
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00:27:17,000 -->
00:27:18,000
Someone was abused
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00:27:18,000 -->
00:27:19,000
Someone was mistreated
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00:27:19,000 -->
00:27:20,000
Someone was ignored
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00:27:20,000 -->
00:27:22,000
How many jobs were, you know
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00:27:22,000 -->
00:27:24,000
People looked at their name and said
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00:27:24,000 -->
00:27:26,000
Well, that's a minority name
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00:27:26,000 -->
00:27:27,000
Let's throw that in the garbage
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00:27:27,000 -->
00:27:32,000
I mean, so there's a reason why these things are put into place
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00:27:32,000 -->
00:27:34,000
And so, you know, once again
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00:27:36,000
When people think about DEI
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00:27:36,000 -->
00:27:39,000
They just think about that job application
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00:27:39,000 -->
00:27:41,000
And they think, oh, well
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00:27:41,000 -->
00:27:44,000
They're just giving jobs to those who are minorities
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00:27:44,000 -->
00:27:46,000
And they're ignoring everyone else
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00:27:46,000 -->
00:27:48,000
But they're not thinking about, okay
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00:27:48,000 -->
00:27:50,000
You all take DEI out of that
548
00:27:50,000 -->
00:27:52,000
But they're also taking it out away from your children
549
00:27:52,000 -->
00:27:53,000
You know
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00:27:56,000
From those who are disabled in schools
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00:27:58,000
And need those resources
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00:27:59,000
And need that help
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00:28:01,000
They're not thinking about that part
554
00:28:01,000 -->
00:28:03,000
And so that's why I think this is so important
555
00:28:03,000 -->
00:28:07,000
I want you to tell me about your conference
556
00:28:07,000 -->
00:28:09,000
Dr. Heather Robinson
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00:28:12,000
Tell me about your conference that's coming up
558
00:28:17,000 -->
00:28:18,000
All right
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00:28:21,000
So, y'all know Juneteenth is coming up
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00:28:21,000 -->
00:28:22,000
Yes
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00:28:22,000 -->
00:28:24,000
So I threw a monkey wrench on in there
562
00:28:24,000 -->
00:28:26,000
And I have a Juneteenth special
563
00:28:26,000 -->
00:28:29,000
Juneteenth special on tickets is until
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00:28:29,000 -->
00:28:32,000
11.59 p.m. Eastern Standard Time
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00:28:32,000 -->
00:28:34,000
On Saturday, June 20th
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00:28:34,000 -->
00:28:36,000
In order for you to get those
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00:28:36,000 -->
00:28:38,000
Because I do not have it on my website
568
00:28:38,000 -->
00:28:40,000
This is exclusive
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00:28:40,000 -->
00:28:45,000
You have to reach out to me by email
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00:28:46,000 -->
00:28:48,000
You got to reach out to me by email
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00:28:48,000 -->
00:28:50,000
Because there's a certain way for you to be able to pay
572
00:28:50,000 -->
00:28:53,000
Because the early bird special is up on the website
573
00:28:53,000 -->
00:28:56,000
But the Juneteenth special is less
574
00:28:56,000 -->
00:28:58,000
So you won't be able to go to the website
575
00:28:58,000 -->
00:28:59,000
And pay for it
576
00:28:59,000 -->
00:29:00,000
So you're going to have to work
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00:29:00,000 -->
00:29:01,000
For the discount
578
00:29:01,000 -->
00:29:02,000
Okay
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00:29:02,000 -->
00:29:03,000
But
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00:29:03,000 -->
00:29:05,000
The discount will be worth it
581
00:29:05,000 -->
00:29:07,000
Our conference is on Saturday
582
00:29:07,000 -->
00:29:09,000
July 18th
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00:29:09,000 -->
00:29:13,000
2026 from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time
584
00:29:13,000 -->
00:29:16,000
The conference will be at the Hilton Gardens Inn in Exton
585
00:29:16,000 -->
00:29:18,000
They just renovated it
586
00:29:18,000 -->
00:29:19,000
Last year
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00:29:19,000 -->
00:29:21,000
And they had their first
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00:29:21,000 -->
00:29:22,000
Big event
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00:29:22,000 -->
00:29:23,000
January 2nd
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00:29:23,000 -->
00:29:24,000
And
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00:29:24,000 -->
00:29:26,000
Here we are
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00:29:26,000 -->
00:29:29,000
I fell into that location
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00:29:29,000 -->
00:29:31,000
What is this conference about?
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00:29:31,000 -->
00:29:32,000
So this conference
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00:29:33,000
This is going to be
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00:29:33,000 -->
00:29:34,000
This is
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00:29:35,000
It
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00:29:35,000 -->
00:29:37,000
This conference is about volume three
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00:29:37,000 -->
00:29:39,000
We're applying it
600
00:29:39,000 -->
00:29:40,000
But
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00:29:40,000 -->
00:29:42,000
The way it's set up is a little bit different
602
00:29:42,000 -->
00:29:44,000
I have a panel of authors
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00:29:44,000 -->
00:29:45,000
Okay
604
00:29:45,000 -->
00:29:48,000
And then I have two keynote speakers
605
00:29:48,000 -->
00:29:49,000
So
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00:29:49,000 -->
00:29:52,000
The way it's going to work is there's going to be
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00:29:52,000 -->
00:29:55,000
Two people that actually do a keynote
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00:29:55,000 -->
00:29:56,000
Talk
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00:29:56,000 -->
00:30:00,000
And then we're going to do a panel discussion throughout
610
00:30:00,000 -->
00:30:02,000
So it gives
611
00:30:02,000 -->
00:30:07,000
It gives the moderator the opportunity to ask the authors questions about their journey
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00:30:07,000 -->
00:30:08,000
Their chapter
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00:30:08,000 -->
00:30:13,000
I have someone that was in volume one that's coming to be a part of the panel as well
614
00:30:13,000 -->
00:30:15,000
I actually just
615
00:30:15,000 -->
00:30:18,000
I actually scheduled her podcast with you to be next week
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00:30:18,000 -->
00:30:22,000
So that's, you know, that's a little surprise for some people who
617
00:30:22,000 -->
00:30:28,000
Didn't necessarily think that this was going to go further than just the authors of volume three
618
00:30:28,000 -->
00:30:30,000
There's also some tricks up my sleeve
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00:30:30,000 -->
00:30:33,000
There's some surprises for those that are attending
620
00:30:33,000 -->
00:30:38,000
My authors have absolutely no idea what their surprise will be for attending
621
00:30:38,000 -->
00:30:42,000
I'm at a stage in life now because of
622
00:30:42,000 -->
00:30:47,000
The cost of shipping things that in order to get things you have to show up
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00:30:47,000 -->
00:30:52,000
So just in a season where I'm kind of leading with
624
00:30:52,000 -->
00:30:55,000
In order to get something you have to give something
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00:30:55,000 -->
00:30:57,000
And sometimes it's your time
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00:30:57,000 -->
00:30:59,000
Sometimes it's your efforts
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00:30:59,000 -->
00:31:01,000
Sometimes I'm just going to surprise you
628
00:31:01,000 -->
00:31:03,000
So it just depends. So you guys can wait and see
629
00:31:03,000 -->
00:31:07,000
But this is going to be last year was a great success
630
00:31:07,000 -->
00:31:10,000
But this year is going to be different
631
00:31:10,000 -->
00:31:13,000
Minister Philip spoke last year
632
00:31:13,000 -->
00:31:15,000
Gave a phenomenal talk, by the way
633
00:31:15,000 -->
00:31:24,000
And I'm still getting feedback from people about people's talks last year
634
00:31:24,000 -->
00:31:26,000
OK, so awesome
635
00:31:26,000 -->
00:31:30,000
Yeah, it's it's it's a conference
636
00:31:31,000 -->
00:31:34,000
But it's not really like a conference
637
00:31:34,000 -->
00:31:36,000
It's a it's going to be an experience
638
00:31:36,000 -->
00:31:38,000
OK, OK
639
00:31:38,000 -->
00:31:42,000
I think this is the first time you share this with me on the podcast
640
00:31:42,000 -->
00:31:44,000
I don't think we've talked about your conferences before
641
00:31:44,000 -->
00:31:48,000
So that's why I want to know a little bit more about your conference
642
00:31:48,000 -->
00:31:51,000
OK, I know someone who said that's a special day for them
643
00:31:51,000 -->
00:31:54,000
Isn't that right, Dr. Longmire?
644
00:31:54,000 -->
00:31:58,000
Is it your birthday today?
645
00:31:58,000 -->
00:32:01,000
Yes, it's my birthday
646
00:32:01,000 -->
00:32:04,000
Yes, I'm very excited to see it
647
00:32:04,000 -->
00:32:08,000
You know, I just she was kind of close to the Ohio area
648
00:32:08,000 -->
00:32:11,000
Lord, I'm very excited
649
00:32:11,000 -->
00:32:13,000
But, you know, I will
650
00:32:13,000 -->
00:32:18,000
You know, I definitely think about I have to attend one of these conferences
651
00:32:18,000 -->
00:32:21,000
Like I have to really plan my summer
652
00:32:21,000 -->
00:32:24,000
I've been thinking about I have to make a trip to Philly
653
00:32:24,000 -->
00:32:27,000
I have to make a trip to Philly and have me a food steak at Quail
654
00:32:27,000 -->
00:32:29,000
That sounds good
655
00:32:29,000 -->
00:32:32,000
Just don't have it on her birthday next time
656
00:32:32,000 -->
00:32:36,000
She could show up in a tent
657
00:32:36,000 -->
00:32:40,000
So there's a story behind that that I didn't get to tell Dr. Kira
658
00:32:40,000 -->
00:32:44,000
June is the month that I did the conference last year
659
00:32:44,000 -->
00:32:47,000
And I wanted to keep it in June
660
00:32:47,000 -->
00:32:53,000
But to lock in with this connect that I actually developed in January
661
00:32:53,000 -->
00:32:56,000
Over at the Hilton, I had to lock it in for July
662
00:32:56,000 -->
00:33:03,000
Moving forward, I'm looking at it in June for every year
663
00:33:03,000 -->
00:33:07,000
Okay
664
00:33:07,000 -->
00:33:10,000
So she got you next year
665
00:33:10,000 -->
00:33:15,000
Okay, so before we start to wind this up
666
00:33:15,000 -->
00:33:19,000
I want to give everyone an opportunity just to, you know
667
00:33:19,000 -->
00:33:22,000
Say what you would like to share with the listeners
668
00:33:23,000 -->
00:33:26,000
Before we close this out
669
00:33:26,000 -->
00:33:29,000
First, let's start with the new kid on the block
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00:33:29,000 -->
00:33:33,000
That's your new name
671
00:33:33,000 -->
00:33:36,000
Professor Steven, let's hear it
672
00:33:36,000 -->
00:33:39,000
Let's hear from you before we close out
673
00:33:39,000 -->
00:33:42,000
I take being a new kid as a compliment
674
00:33:42,000 -->
00:33:45,000
Speaking of birthdays, my birthday was yesterday
675
00:33:45,000 -->
00:33:49,000
I turned the youthful age of 48
676
00:33:50,000 -->
00:33:53,000
So Dr. Robinson, going forward next year
677
00:33:53,000 -->
00:33:56,000
I don't mind if you have to come to my birthday
678
00:33:56,000 -->
00:33:59,000
Because shameless
679
00:33:59,000 -->
00:34:03,000
Well, again
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00:34:03,000 -->
00:34:09,000
I just so appreciate the opportunity to participate
681
00:34:09,000 -->
00:34:15,000
And to demonstrate how we could do this
682
00:34:15,000 -->
00:34:18,000
If we make it practical and we make it literal
683
00:34:18,000 -->
00:34:21,000
The examples that everybody talked about
684
00:34:21,000 -->
00:34:26,000
Reaching the people where they are
685
00:34:26,000 -->
00:34:29,000
And giving them what they need
686
00:34:29,000 -->
00:34:34,000
And demonstrating, I am giving you what you need to succeed
687
00:34:34,000 -->
00:34:37,000
But the student sitting next to you
688
00:34:37,000 -->
00:34:40,000
Or the Marine sitting next to you doesn't need the same thing
689
00:34:40,000 -->
00:34:44,000
I'm not giving them an advantage
690
00:34:44,000 -->
00:34:49,000
I'm giving them tools to overcome
691
00:34:49,000 -->
00:34:52,000
One of the many obstacles that our students
692
00:34:52,000 -->
00:34:55,000
And my former Marines came to the table with
693
00:34:55,000 -->
00:34:59,000
And I just apply it on a daily basis
694
00:34:59,000 -->
00:35:02,000
I live in the greater Greensboro area
695
00:35:02,000 -->
00:35:06,000
The community college that I teach in is in the suburbs
696
00:35:06,000 -->
00:35:13,000
It is a majority white school
697
00:35:14,000 -->
00:35:19,000
One of a few instructors that are black
698
00:35:19,000 -->
00:35:22,000
And for a large majority of my students
699
00:35:22,000 -->
00:35:26,000
I'm the first black man that they've ever had in front of them in a classroom
700
00:35:26,000 -->
00:35:30,000
And they are shocked that I don't meet the stereotypes
701
00:35:30,000 -->
00:35:34,000
That they've heard promoted in the media about how black men are
702
00:35:34,000 -->
00:35:38,000
And then when they experience how I treat them
703
00:35:38,000 -->
00:35:42,000
I love on them, I'm firm, I'm fair
704
00:35:42,000 -->
00:35:47,000
And I give the students exactly what they need
705
00:35:47,000 -->
00:35:52,000
And we have to be flexible enough to make this
706
00:35:52,000 -->
00:35:57,000
We've got to take back the power of
707
00:35:57,000 -->
00:36:01,000
The demonization of diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts
708
00:36:01,000 -->
00:36:03,000
Phillip said it perfectly
709
00:36:03,000 -->
00:36:08,000
It is way beyond your ethnicity or the color of your skin
710
00:36:08,000 -->
00:36:11,000
It really is based on needs
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00:36:11,000 -->
00:36:13,000
And then when you start explaining
712
00:36:13,000 -->
00:36:18,000
I am giving you more young, white, Caucasian male
713
00:36:18,000 -->
00:36:22,000
What you need and nobody in here is offended
714
00:36:22,000 -->
00:36:25,000
Or think I'm hooking you up
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00:36:25,000 -->
00:36:28,000
Then they start to realize, wow, this DEI thing
716
00:36:28,000 -->
00:36:31,000
Is probably not what I've been sold
717
00:36:32,000 -->
00:36:36,000
Primarily by conservative news
718
00:36:36,000 -->
00:36:39,000
And politicians who are spouting foolishness
719
00:36:39,000 -->
00:36:42,000
Because they feel like they've been aggrieved
720
00:36:42,000 -->
00:36:45,000
By giving everybody else a seat at the table
721
00:36:45,000 -->
00:36:50,000
So I welcome the passion
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00:36:50,000 -->
00:36:53,000
From Dr. Robinson and everybody who contributed to the first two
723
00:36:53,000 -->
00:36:56,000
And I was just so excited that
724
00:36:56,000 -->
00:36:59,000
There is a black woman out here boldly talking about
725
00:36:59,000 -->
00:37:02,000
The importance of these efforts
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00:37:02,000 -->
00:37:05,000
And oftentimes it's black women who take the lead
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00:37:05,000 -->
00:37:09,000
When it comes to seeing discrepancies
728
00:37:09,000 -->
00:37:12,000
And stepping out and saying, okay, this is not right
729
00:37:12,000 -->
00:37:14,000
We need to do something about it
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00:37:14,000 -->
00:37:17,000
And I'm just glad that I'm on board to contribute
731
00:37:17,000 -->
00:37:20,000
In any way I can to help personalize
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00:37:20,000 -->
00:37:24,000
How important diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts are
733
00:37:24,000 -->
00:37:26,000
I appreciate that
734
00:37:27,000 -->
00:37:30,000
To be honest, it's so unfortunate that in year 2026
735
00:37:30,000 -->
00:37:34,000
You have to change people's mindset about what they perceive
736
00:37:34,000 -->
00:37:37,000
People of color to be
737
00:37:37,000 -->
00:37:40,000
And to be honest, during 2020
738
00:37:40,000 -->
00:37:43,000
I had that same experience in a class
739
00:37:43,000 -->
00:37:46,000
I was getting a master's degree and George Floyd was happening
740
00:37:46,000 -->
00:37:49,000
And I was intentionally being quiet
741
00:37:49,000 -->
00:37:53,000
Because I was in a school that I was completely the minority
742
00:37:54,000 -->
00:37:57,000
And they asked me, are you intentionally being quiet?
743
00:37:57,000 -->
00:38:00,000
Or we would love to hear from you
744
00:38:00,000 -->
00:38:03,000
I said, I'm doing it on purpose
745
00:38:03,000 -->
00:38:06,000
Because I was kind of frustrated
746
00:38:06,000 -->
00:38:09,000
And I just explained to them
747
00:38:09,000 -->
00:38:12,000
When you see my son, I have two sons and they're awesome people
748
00:38:12,000 -->
00:38:15,000
When you see them, I want you to see your own sons
749
00:38:15,000 -->
00:38:18,000
That's my problem
750
00:38:18,000 -->
00:38:21,000
When you see my mother, I want you to think of your mother
751
00:38:21,000 -->
00:38:24,000
Think of your daughter, they're human beings
752
00:38:24,000 -->
00:38:27,000
They are good people, they are full of life
753
00:38:27,000 -->
00:38:30,000
There's nothing malice in their hearts
754
00:38:30,000 -->
00:38:33,000
See them like you would see your own
755
00:38:33,000 -->
00:38:36,000
And this school is a university
756
00:38:36,000 -->
00:38:39,000
But it was a Christian university
757
00:38:39,000 -->
00:38:42,000
But trust and believe me when I tell you
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00:38:42,000 -->
00:38:45,000
Because they're limited
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00:38:45,000 -->
00:38:48,000
Their experience
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00:38:48,000 -->
00:38:51,000
Let me say it as nicely as I can
761
00:38:51,000 -->
00:38:54,000
They're limited with their experience
762
00:38:54,000 -->
00:38:57,000
They do have perceived ideas
763
00:38:57,000 -->
00:39:00,000
Even in a Christian university
764
00:39:00,000 -->
00:39:03,000
So oftentimes when I was asked to educate and inform
765
00:39:03,000 -->
00:39:06,000
I did, but I did it still in some type of way
766
00:39:06,000 -->
00:39:09,000
Because I thought of all places
767
00:39:09,000 -->
00:39:12,000
You all should know better
768
00:39:12,000 -->
00:39:15,000
And I've gotten a lot of
769
00:39:15,000 -->
00:39:18,000
People who have not been around
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00:39:18,000 -->
00:39:21,000
People of color
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00:39:21,000 -->
00:39:24,000
They assume a lot like you stated
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00:39:24,000 -->
00:39:27,000
Based upon movies, TV shows
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00:39:27,000 -->
00:39:30,000
And whatever the narrative the media wants to share
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00:39:30,000 -->
00:39:33,000
I understand that
775
00:39:33,000 -->
00:39:36,000
But it's so unfortunate that you have to do that now
776
00:39:36,000 -->
00:39:39,000
It's 2026 and we're still having to educate people
777
00:39:39,000 -->
00:39:42,000
I'm going to make this very clear
778
00:39:42,000 -->
00:39:45,000
This is very intentional
779
00:39:45,000 -->
00:39:48,000
Their heads are not in sands
780
00:39:48,000 -->
00:39:51,000
This is very intentional to be this way
781
00:39:51,000 -->
00:39:54,000
This one lady said something
782
00:39:54,000 -->
00:39:57,000
And I thought to myself
783
00:39:57,000 -->
00:40:00,000
She literally said she had never had a conversation
784
00:40:00,000 -->
00:40:03,000
With a black person before
785
00:40:03,000 -->
00:40:06,000
And I could not believe it
786
00:40:06,000 -->
00:40:09,000
And she's an American
787
00:40:09,000 -->
00:40:12,000
How?
788
00:40:12,000 -->
00:40:15,000
I mean, I speak to everybody
789
00:40:15,000 -->
00:40:18,000
Even in a store
790
00:40:18,000 -->
00:40:21,000
How are you doing?
791
00:40:21,000 -->
00:40:24,000
People in the store talk
792
00:40:24,000 -->
00:40:27,000
How have you never had a conversation?
793
00:40:27,000 -->
00:40:30,000
And she said she had never had one
794
00:40:30,000 -->
00:40:33,000
And I was just blown away
795
00:40:33,000 -->
00:40:36,000
I know it's my fault
796
00:40:36,000 -->
00:40:39,000
But a lot of this demonization
797
00:40:39,000 -->
00:40:42,000
Of diversity, equity, inclusion efforts
798
00:40:42,000 -->
00:40:45,000
Is coming from white conservative evangelicals
799
00:40:45,000 -->
00:40:48,000
And I don't miss words when I say that
800
00:40:48,000 -->
00:40:51,000
Because that's where it's rooted
801
00:40:51,000 -->
00:40:54,000
And I book
802
00:40:54,000 -->
00:40:57,000
That Christian nationalist mindset
803
00:40:57,000 -->
00:41:00,000
With practice
804
00:41:00,000 -->
00:41:03,000
In practice
805
00:41:03,000 -->
00:41:06,000
You tell me you read in your scripture
806
00:41:06,000 -->
00:41:09,000
There is no way
807
00:41:09,000 -->
00:41:12,000
You should be out here
808
00:41:12,000 -->
00:41:15,000
Roll back
809
00:41:15,000 -->
00:41:18,000
And not include
810
00:41:18,000 -->
00:41:21,000
Not be equitable
811
00:41:21,000 -->
00:41:24,000
And not be diverse in your thinking
812
00:41:24,000 -->
00:41:27,000
Based on the scripture that you say you believe in
813
00:41:27,000 -->
00:41:30,000
The scripture that I believe in
814
00:41:30,000 -->
00:41:33,000
I used one word
815
00:41:33,000 -->
00:41:36,000
When I was in those classes
816
00:41:36,000 -->
00:41:39,000
And I got them every time
817
00:41:39,000 -->
00:41:42,000
The last time I checked
818
00:41:42,000 -->
00:41:45,000
The core is supposed to be love
819
00:41:45,000 -->
00:41:48,000
So where's the love?
820
00:41:48,000 -->
00:41:51,000
There's no love
821
00:41:51,000 -->
00:41:54,000
Because even in love
822
00:41:54,000 -->
00:41:57,000
You want to make sure those who are hurt
823
00:41:57,000 -->
00:42:00,000
Mentally or physically
824
00:42:00,000 -->
00:42:03,000
You want to make sure you're taking care of those people
825
00:42:03,000 -->
00:42:06,000
That's a part of what you believe in
826
00:42:06,000 -->
00:42:09,000
That's love
827
00:42:09,000 -->
00:42:12,000
It's total hypocrisy
828
00:42:12,000 -->
00:42:15,000
Against the teachings that they proclaim
829
00:42:15,000 -->
00:42:18,000
That they believe
830
00:42:18,000 -->
00:42:21,000
But at the end of the day
831
00:42:21,000 -->
00:42:24,000
It's a direct conflict
832
00:42:24,000 -->
00:42:27,000
You can't even delve into the religious texts
833
00:42:27,000 -->
00:42:30,000
Of the other major religions in the world
834
00:42:30,000 -->
00:42:33,000
Absolutely
835
00:42:33,000 -->
00:42:36,000
We can go all day with that so we won't even touch it
836
00:42:36,000 -->
00:42:39,000
We will not touch that
837
00:42:39,000 -->
00:42:42,000
I'm sorry
838
00:42:42,000 -->
00:42:45,000
I'll jump in here real quick
839
00:42:45,000 -->
00:42:48,000
I'm listening to it
840
00:42:48,000 -->
00:42:51,000
And I'm going back to a conversation I had
841
00:42:51,000 -->
00:42:54,000
With a black woman
842
00:42:54,000 -->
00:42:57,000
And a lot of times people look at DEI as a black thing
843
00:42:57,000 -->
00:43:00,000
It's not
844
00:43:00,000 -->
00:43:03,000
When a white woman
845
00:43:03,000 -->
00:43:06,000
And a black woman
846
00:43:06,000 -->
00:43:09,000
Go for an executive position
847
00:43:09,000 -->
00:43:12,000
With the same level of education
848
00:43:12,000 -->
00:43:15,000
The same amount of years of experience
849
00:43:15,000 -->
00:43:18,000
And the same level of expertise
850
00:43:18,000 -->
00:43:21,000
And the same level of background
851
00:43:21,000 -->
00:43:24,000
9 times out of 10 they're going to pick that male
852
00:43:24,000 -->
00:43:27,000
DEI is for women
853
00:43:27,000 -->
00:43:30,000
It's not just about black women and black men
854
00:43:30,000 -->
00:43:33,000
It's not just about brown women and brown men
855
00:43:33,000 -->
00:43:36,000
DEI is so much deeper
856
00:43:36,000 -->
00:43:39,000
And there is a place for race relations
857
00:43:39,000 -->
00:43:42,000
There's absolutely a place
858
00:43:42,000 -->
00:43:45,000
We are in a society where you can't minimize that
859
00:43:45,000 -->
00:43:48,000
It's not just about race
860
00:43:48,000 -->
00:43:51,000
It's not just about color
861
00:43:51,000 -->
00:43:54,000
When we're talking about DEI
862
00:43:54,000 -->
00:43:57,000
And people are coupling it
863
00:43:57,000 -->
00:44:00,000
Or merging it with affirmative action
864
00:44:00,000 -->
00:44:03,000
It's not that
865
00:44:03,000 -->
00:44:06,000
This is not to get you extra funding
866
00:44:06,000 -->
00:44:09,000
So you can get to college because you're a minority
867
00:44:09,000 -->
00:44:12,000
This is not to get you
868
00:44:12,000 -->
00:44:15,000
This is bigger than that
869
00:44:15,000 -->
00:44:18,000
It's greater than that
870
00:44:18,000 -->
00:44:21,000
And I feel like the pushback that you get
871
00:44:21,000 -->
00:44:24,000
From what we call the WASP
872
00:44:24,000 -->
00:44:27,000
White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant
873
00:44:27,000 -->
00:44:30,000
This pushback you've gotten for centuries
874
00:44:30,000 -->
00:44:33,000
And a lot of it's because
875
00:44:33,000 -->
00:44:36,000
They're trying to figure out where their place is
876
00:44:36,000 -->
00:44:39,000
As it pertains to the movement
877
00:44:39,000 -->
00:44:42,000
Whether it's during affirmative action
878
00:44:42,000 -->
00:44:45,000
Whether it's during the civil rights movement
879
00:44:45,000 -->
00:44:48,000
No matter what it was
880
00:44:48,000 -->
00:44:51,000
The biggest pushback was where do I see myself
881
00:44:51,000 -->
00:44:54,000
And so by nature we're selfish
882
00:44:54,000 -->
00:44:57,000
We want to see ourselves
883
00:44:57,000 -->
00:45:00,000
We want to know where we benefit
884
00:45:00,000 -->
00:45:03,000
But if you take the lens off
885
00:45:03,000 -->
00:45:06,000
That is guided in whatever you have it guided in
886
00:45:07,000 -->
00:45:10,000
Where it's one way
887
00:45:10,000 -->
00:45:13,000
And maybe consider there could be another way
888
00:45:13,000 -->
00:45:16,000
I think we would be further along
889
00:45:16,000 -->
00:45:19,000
Not just as minorities
890
00:45:19,000 -->
00:45:22,000
Not just as men
891
00:45:22,000 -->
00:45:25,000
Not just as women
892
00:45:25,000 -->
00:45:28,000
But as people
893
00:45:28,000 -->
00:45:31,000
DEI is for the people
894
00:45:31,000 -->
00:45:34,000
And I just wanted to jump in with that
895
00:45:35,000 -->
00:45:38,000
When there's so much resistance
896
00:45:38,000 -->
00:45:41,000
DEI is for the people
897
00:45:41,000 -->
00:45:44,000
If you are a person
898
00:45:44,000 -->
00:45:47,000
DEI is going to impact you
899
00:45:47,000 -->
00:45:50,000
Whether it's because you are somebody's father
900
00:45:50,000 -->
00:45:53,000
Whether it's because you are somebody's sister
901
00:45:53,000 -->
00:45:56,000
Whether it's because you are somebody's great uncle
902
00:45:56,000 -->
00:45:59,000
It's going to affect you
903
00:45:59,000 -->
00:46:02,000
It already has
904
00:46:03,000 -->
00:46:06,000
People want to tiptoe around it
905
00:46:06,000 -->
00:46:09,000
You've got to call a thing a thing
906
00:46:09,000 -->
00:46:12,000
And the only way we're going to move forward in this
907
00:46:12,000 -->
00:46:15,000
Is by looking at it from a different lens
908
00:46:15,000 -->
00:46:18,000
And that's what the talk has to be
909
00:46:18,000 -->
00:46:21,000
We've got to change people's mindsets
910
00:46:21,000 -->
00:46:24,000
And how they're looking at this thing
911
00:46:24,000 -->
00:46:27,000
Because they're looking at it all wrong
912
00:46:27,000 -->
00:46:30,000
There is a bigger agenda
913
00:46:31,000 -->
00:46:34,000
As you were stating for women
914
00:46:34,000 -->
00:46:37,000
There is a bigger agenda
915
00:46:37,000 -->
00:46:40,000
And that's why they take these things away
916
00:46:40,000 -->
00:46:43,000
I'm going to move on to Minister Phillip
917
00:46:43,000 -->
00:46:46,000
If you haven't heard
918
00:46:46,000 -->
00:46:49,000
We're speaking about white evangelicals
919
00:46:49,000 -->
00:46:52,000
The women were at their conference
920
00:46:52,000 -->
00:46:55,000
And a lot of them were stating
921
00:46:55,000 -->
00:46:58,000
They were willing to give up their right to vote
922
00:46:58,000 -->
00:47:01,000
They were willing to let whatever their husbands choose
923
00:47:01,000 -->
00:47:04,000
This is something that was said
924
00:47:04,000 -->
00:47:07,000
You can go look it up
925
00:47:07,000 -->
00:47:10,000
This is what the women are saying
926
00:47:10,000 -->
00:47:13,000
It's a bigger agenda
927
00:47:13,000 -->
00:47:16,000
Like you stated
928
00:47:16,000 -->
00:47:19,000
Nothing is by accident
929
00:47:19,000 -->
00:47:22,000
This is very designed
930
00:47:22,000 -->
00:47:25,000
Keep that in mind
931
00:47:25,000 -->
00:47:28,000
If you're not being able to vote
932
00:47:28,000 -->
00:47:31,000
You choosing to do that
933
00:47:31,000 -->
00:47:34,000
That's something I never thought I would hear
934
00:47:34,000 -->
00:47:37,000
Minister Phillip, what are your last words?
935
00:47:37,000 -->
00:47:40,000
It's a lot to take in
936
00:47:40,000 -->
00:47:43,000
I know
937
00:47:43,000 -->
00:47:46,000
I'll say something
938
00:47:46,000 -->
00:47:49,000
Just because it's still fresh in my mind
939
00:47:49,000 -->
00:47:52,000
Because I just spoke on this the other day
940
00:47:52,000 -->
00:47:55,000
As a society
941
00:47:55,000 -->
00:47:58,000
We have to understand a couple of key points
942
00:47:58,000 -->
00:48:01,000
There are facts
943
00:48:01,000 -->
00:48:04,000
There's truth
944
00:48:04,000 -->
00:48:07,000
And then there's the reality
945
00:48:07,000 -->
00:48:10,000
If we're looking at it through the lens of who we are
946
00:48:10,000 -->
00:48:13,000
As men and women
947
00:48:13,000 -->
00:48:16,000
As men and women
948
00:48:16,000 -->
00:48:19,000
Reflections of God
949
00:48:19,000 -->
00:48:22,000
We have to understand
950
00:48:22,000 -->
00:48:25,000
That DEI has been marketed
951
00:48:25,000 -->
00:48:28,000
As a black thing
952
00:48:28,000 -->
00:48:31,000
As a racial thing
953
00:48:31,000 -->
00:48:34,000
As a gender thing
954
00:48:34,000 -->
00:48:37,000
As a sexual identity thing
955
00:48:37,000 -->
00:48:40,000
Everything other than what it really is
956
00:48:40,000 -->
00:48:43,000
The truth is this
957
00:48:43,000 -->
00:48:46,000
There's only one truth
958
00:48:46,000 -->
00:48:49,000
So we have to establish
959
00:48:49,000 -->
00:48:52,000
What is the truth
960
00:48:52,000 -->
00:48:55,000
The truth of the matter is
961
00:48:55,000 -->
00:48:58,000
God created us with nuances and differences
962
00:48:58,000 -->
00:49:01,000
For a reason
963
00:49:01,000 -->
00:49:04,000
God created us to become complementary to each other
964
00:49:04,000 -->
00:49:07,000
Instead of supplementary
965
00:49:07,000 -->
00:49:10,000
There has to be balance somewhere
966
00:49:10,000 -->
00:49:13,000
Because we're not supposed to be existing for transactions
967
00:49:14,000 -->
00:49:17,000
As all of these rollbacks and pushbacks are happening
968
00:49:17,000 -->
00:49:20,000
It's because of transactions
969
00:49:20,000 -->
00:49:23,000
Not relationships
970
00:49:23,000 -->
00:49:26,000
Even biologically on a small scale
971
00:49:26,000 -->
00:49:29,000
Everything is about a relationship
972
00:49:29,000 -->
00:49:32,000
Then you have to understand the reality
973
00:49:32,000 -->
00:49:35,000
What's the reality of it
974
00:49:35,000 -->
00:49:38,000
Which reality do you choose
975
00:49:38,000 -->
00:49:41,000
Do you choose the side of God's truth
976
00:49:41,000 -->
00:49:44,000
Or the reality of the world
977
00:49:44,000 -->
00:49:47,000
What society will tell you
978
00:49:47,000 -->
00:49:50,000
Is that we have to be homogenous
979
00:49:50,000 -->
00:49:53,000
We have to all think the same
980
00:49:53,000 -->
00:49:56,000
We all have to breathe the same
981
00:49:56,000 -->
00:49:59,000
We all have to believe the same
982
00:49:59,000 -->
00:50:02,000
Professor Steve made a very interesting point
983
00:50:02,000 -->
00:50:05,000
I think you hinted on it as well
984
00:50:05,000 -->
00:50:08,000
The key to all of this is intentionality
985
00:50:08,000 -->
00:50:11,000
Instead of just blindly searching
986
00:50:11,000 -->
00:50:14,000
For a knee-jerk response
987
00:50:14,000 -->
00:50:17,000
Then we get caught up in our emotions
988
00:50:17,000 -->
00:50:20,000
Then we fire back
989
00:50:20,000 -->
00:50:23,000
Then we start finger-pointing groups
990
00:50:23,000 -->
00:50:26,000
And subgroups
991
00:50:26,000 -->
00:50:29,000
And subcultures
992
00:50:29,000 -->
00:50:32,000
When in fact the truth of the matter is
993
00:50:32,000 -->
00:50:35,000
Where do we stand first and what is our identity
994
00:50:35,000 -->
00:50:38,000
We can split hairs all day
995
00:50:38,000 -->
00:50:41,000
About if we're black, negro, colored
996
00:50:41,000 -->
00:50:44,000
Moors, Hebrew Israelites
997
00:50:44,000 -->
00:50:47,000
At the end of the day it doesn't move the knee
998
00:50:47,000 -->
00:50:50,000
We have to recognize
999
00:50:50,000 -->
00:50:53,000
DEI is not about marching
1000
00:50:53,000 -->
00:50:56,000
It's not about another complaint
1001
00:50:56,000 -->
00:50:59,000
It's not another suggestion in the suggestion box
1002
00:50:59,000 -->
00:51:02,000
DEI is about really exposing
1003
00:51:02,000 -->
00:51:05,000
Each and every one of us
1004
00:51:05,000 -->
00:51:08,000
To a system to provide us
1005
00:51:08,000 -->
00:51:11,000
With what we need
1006
00:51:11,000 -->
00:51:14,000
If I'm being transparent
1007
00:51:14,000 -->
00:51:17,000
Because I'm going to be honest with you
1008
00:51:17,000 -->
00:51:20,000
We have to stop
1009
00:51:20,000 -->
00:51:23,000
We have to stop thinking
1010
00:51:23,000 -->
00:51:26,000
That civil rights
1011
00:51:26,000 -->
00:51:29,000
Is the only fight or battle
1012
00:51:29,000 -->
00:51:32,000
That we're fighting at the same time
1013
00:51:32,000 -->
00:51:35,000
You can't have civil rights without human rights
1014
00:51:35,000 -->
00:51:38,000
You can't have human rights if you don't know who you are
1015
00:51:38,000 -->
00:51:41,000
And until we identify exactly who we are
1016
00:51:41,000 -->
00:51:44,000
And where we stand collectively
1017
00:51:44,000 -->
00:51:47,000
We become insular
1018
00:51:47,000 -->
00:51:50,000
And it's easy to snuff out small fires
1019
00:51:50,000 -->
00:51:53,000
So that's my soapbox
1020
00:51:59,000 -->
00:52:02,000
.
1021
00:52:02,000 -->
00:52:05,000
.
1022
00:52:05,000 -->
00:52:08,000
.
1023
00:52:08,000 -->
00:52:11,000
.
1024
00:52:11,000 -->
00:52:14,000
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1025
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00:52:17,000
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1026
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1027
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1028
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1029
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1030
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1031
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1032
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1033
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1034
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1035
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1036
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1037
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1038
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1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1043
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1044
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1045
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.
1046
00:53:17,000 -->
00:53:20,000
.
1047
00:53:20,000 -->
00:53:23,000
.
1048
00:53:23,000 -->
00:53:26,000
.
1049
00:53:26,000 -->
00:53:29,000
.
1050
00:53:29,000 -->
00:53:32,000
.
1051
00:53:32,000 -->
00:53:35,000
.
1052
00:53:35,000 -->
00:53:38,000
.
1053
00:53:38,000 -->
00:53:41,000
.
1054
00:53:41,000 -->
00:53:44,000
.
1055
00:53:44,000 -->
00:53:47,000
.
1056
00:53:47,000 -->
00:53:50,000
.
1057
00:53:50,000 -->
00:53:53,000
.
1058
00:53:53,000 -->
00:53:56,000
.
1059
00:53:56,000 -->
00:53:59,000
.
1060
00:53:59,000 -->
00:54:02,000
.
1061
00:54:02,000 -->
00:54:05,000
.
1062
00:54:05,000 -->
00:54:08,000
.
1063
00:54:08,000 -->
00:54:11,000
.
1064
00:54:11,000 -->
00:54:14,000
.
1065
00:54:14,000 -->
00:54:17,000
.
1066
00:54:17,000 -->
00:54:20,000
.
1067
00:54:20,000 -->
00:54:23,000
.
1068
00:54:23,000 -->
00:54:26,000
.
1069
00:54:26,000 -->
00:54:29,000
.
1070
00:54:29,000 -->
00:54:32,000
.
1071
00:54:32,000 -->
00:54:35,000
.
1072
00:54:35,000 -->
00:54:38,000
.
1073
00:54:38,000 -->
00:54:41,000
.
1074
00:54:41,000 -->
00:54:44,000
.
1075
00:54:44,000 -->
00:54:47,000
.
1076
00:54:47,000 -->
00:54:50,000
.
1077
00:54:50,000 -->
00:54:53,000
.
1078
00:54:53,000 -->
00:54:56,000
.
1079
00:54:56,000 -->
00:54:59,000
.
1080
00:54:59,000 -->
00:55:02,000
.
1081
00:55:02,000 -->
00:55:05,000
.
1082
00:55:05,000 -->
00:55:08,000
.
1083
00:55:08,000 -->
00:55:11,000
.
1084
00:55:11,000 -->
00:55:14,000
.
1085
00:55:14,000 -->
00:55:17,000
.
1086
00:55:17,000 -->
00:55:20,000
.
1087
00:55:20,000 -->
00:55:23,000
.
1088
00:55:23,000 -->
00:55:26,000
.
1089
00:55:26,000 -->
00:55:29,000
.
1090
00:55:29,000 -->
00:55:32,000
.
1091
00:55:32,000 -->
00:55:35,000
.
1092
00:55:35,000 -->
00:55:38,000
.
1093
00:55:38,000 -->
00:55:41,000
.
1094
00:55:41,000 -->
00:55:44,000
.
1095
00:55:44,000 -->
00:55:47,000
.
1096
00:55:47,000 -->
00:55:50,000
.
1097
00:55:50,000 -->
00:55:53,000
.
1098
00:55:53,000 -->
00:55:56,000
.
1099
00:55:56,000 -->
00:55:59,000
.
1100
00:55:59,000 -->
00:56:02,000
.
1101
00:56:02,000 -->
00:56:05,000
.
1102
00:56:05,000 -->
00:56:08,000
.
1103
00:56:08,000 -->
00:56:11,000
.
1104
00:56:11,000 -->
00:56:14,000
.
1105
00:56:14,000 -->
00:56:16,000
.
