Episode 229: "A Conversation about Sam Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy" with Andy Foreman

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Ladies and gentlemen, the time has come. Turn your devices
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to the maximum volume. Sit back, relax, and let's get
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Retro! Hey everybody, welcome to episode 229 of the Ready
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to Retro podcast. I don't know why I'm sounding like that.
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My name is Millennial Max, and joining us again is
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Andy Foreman. Andy, thank you so much for being back
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here on the podcast. It's great to have you.
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Thank you for having me, man. It's been a little
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bit since we saw each other at Pasadena Comic Con.
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It has. It's been a few months, but it was
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good to see you. So, Andy. Yeah. If you are
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a listener, right, and you're like, well, I know Andy.
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I know that name. What has he been on here
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on Ready to Retro? Well, you can go on ReadyToRetro.com
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and put in Andy and Andy Foreman. There's four different
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movies that pop up. First, we have a conversation with
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you regarding your book, What We Find Back Home. That
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was like your first initial, or no, no, it wasn't.
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Yeah, no, the blob.
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The blob, right. Episode 159, we did a back-to-back. So
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that was the blob, 1958, and then the blob, 1988.
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And then it was episode 186, we talked about your book. Yep.
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And then last year, during October, we had you for
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our Jaws 50 years. Yep.
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It was really fun.
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But now we're having you come on for what conversation?
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Well, we're going to be talking about the thing that
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I'm always talking about, which is Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.
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Because as soon as you hit me up for that,
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I was like, yeah, I'll be there.
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Well, to be fair, I said, what do you want
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to talk about? And you're like, oh, yeah, let's talk
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about Raimi's Spider-Man.
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Right. Well, I mean, I guess this counts as retro.
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I know you more do like 90s, 80s and 90s stuff.
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But I mean, it's it's 20 years old at this point.
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Yeah, we've been dipping into the 2000s a little bit more.
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I rewatched the first movie like two nights ago, and
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there's ads for like singular wireless in there, so that's
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about as retro as it gets.
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On DVD, yes, definitely. You watch it on DVD, that's
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retro too.
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Exactly.
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Okay, so Andy, we are going to be talking, we're
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going to just, it's going to be a fast track,
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like this is going to be a crash course, so...
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We're going to be talking about Spider-Man 1, 2, and 3.
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We're not going to do the whole full review like
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we normally do, but we also want to do a
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ranking of all Spider-Man movies, but that will be at
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the end. So first and foremost, let's talk about your history.
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What was your introduction to the character Spider-Man? Because I
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think this will tell our age difference or our different
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kind of generations. What was your intro to Spider-Man?
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You're just sort of like, oh, it's like Superman or Batman.
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You're just sort of aware of him from birth because
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it's one of just the most popular things of all time.
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You know, my first real memories were probably I got
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a VHS of the 90s TV cartoon. Oh, OK. The
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Revenge of the Hobgoblin. OK, awesome. Really cool. But I
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can't remember if I got that before or after the
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2002 movie, but. The 2002 movie is the first movie
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I ever saw in theaters.
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Really? Okay. Yeah.
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Or at least the first one I ever have a
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memory of seeing in theaters. I'm sure I probably got
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taken to something when I was like three or something,
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but I was four when that came out. And that
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was the first one I remember like asking to go to. And, uh,
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before it even came out, I remember one night, um,
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we were having dinner and we had the TV on
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and they had a, um, the commercial for it. And
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I got so excited. I started jumping from chair to
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chair like Spider-Man and I accidentally knocked a bowl of
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salsa out of my mom's hand. It went flying. So
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that's like my intro to Spider-Man is, is destruction. Yeah, basically.
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Yeah. As it is for everybody.
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It was the first movie I ever remember seeing in theaters.
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It blew my mind. I saw it twice. I still have,
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I'm not going to grab it, but right over here,
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I have the ticket sub from that day. Oh, wow.
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This guy came prepared with visual aids and everything. Wow. Wow.
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May 23rd. And, uh, just as an aside, when I
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met Sam Raimi, I showed him that ticket stub and
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he thought it was the coolest thing ever. And if
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you go on my Instagram and scroll back a few years, um,
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I have, my picture is there with him and he's
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holding the ticket stub. I'm like, that's okay. I'll put
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it up. Do it.
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Did he sign it? Would you allow him to sign it?
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No, because like they, um, there's a big line.
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Yeah.
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So Sam Raimi is one of those ones where like
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his signings are regiment yeah that's super nice guy they
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do a great job but it's definitely like you get
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one or you know what i mean like so you're
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you gotta kind of like adhere to um you gotta
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gotta adhere to the rules you know i almost feel
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like um i kind of and this you know i'm
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talking sam himself is like the nicest guy of all
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time right super sweet and what i love is they
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put him in a separate room and every the line
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ends and at the door to the room and one
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person goes into the room at a time. So you
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really have, you have, cause I mean, you're paying a
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lot of money to meet this guy and you have like, you, you,
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it's nice to have your time with him without some
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jerk behind you, like, or like rolling up their poster
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or trying to get all their crap ready. Like, you
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know what I mean? Like we've all been in signing
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lines before.
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Well, that's how I met you.
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Yes, exactly. Meeting James Rolfe, which you know what? I
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think when he waited longer in the James Rolfe line,
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than we did in the Sam Raimi line. But I
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think that more goes to like the organizers of that show.
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It was a small show. Yeah.
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That was a pretty, that was a long.
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Yeah. We spent the entire day. That was it. And
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I just realized that I lost that in the fire.
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There's like little things that just come up. I'm like, Oh,
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that's right. I don't have that anymore. You know what?
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I still have pictures of you from that event on,
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on my phone.
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I'll resend them to you.
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I have that. I'll resend them.
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Yeah. So that was many moons ago. I think you
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were still in high school when I met you. Yeah.
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I was like a freshman in college. Oh, okay.
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You were like just out of high school. Yeah.
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We met in line like as strangers. And then by
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the end of the day, we were pretty well acquainted
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because we were there for like hours. Hours.
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Yeah. I just remember like there was like a group,
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but I was like, all right, forgive me. You were
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still kind of like younger. Like this gets cool. yeah,
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it's cool. Like, yeah, I just remember there's another guy.
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I'm like, this guy's a weirdo. Like, I don't know.
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I'll talk to the kid.
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There were a couple.
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There was like, you know, there were a couple of
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people in line that definitely like the vibes were off.
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So you and I were, we're hanging out more.
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We're chilling.
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Yeah.
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And we've, we've hung out outside of, of the line. Uh,
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so what did you get signed from Sam Ramey?
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Um, what did I get signed? I have an eight
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by 10 of him, um, that I have hanging on
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my wall up there. And it says, um, to andy
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be kind to others be responsible be a hero sam
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he's the sweetest guy and i'll tell you right now
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like i i wrote him a letter and i gave
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it to him because i told him i said i
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know i'm not gonna have enough time with you to
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like properly express to you how much your work means
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to me i was like can i give you this
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letter i'm like i don't want to be weird but
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like I really want you to know how much your
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work means to me. And he's like, no, it's great.
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He was great.
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I can totally see that. All right. So that's your,
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so that's your introduction. So you had it on VHS. Similar.
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My introduction to Spider-Man was the box kids animation show. Yep.
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In fact, that was the very first thing that I
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watched on Disney plus. So when I, streaming was still
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an anomaly and like, Oh my gosh, Disney has the
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entire catalog. It wasn't the entire, but close to it. Yeah.
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It was incredible because the entire series of Spider-Man was,
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was on there. And to this day, my probably number
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one bucket list dream guest is the show creator of
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the amazing Spider-Man, John Semper.
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So yeah, You never know.
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Anybody knows John Semper? I actually saw him, but I
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didn't approach him because the place in which I saw
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him was in an inappropriate setting. I was, I saw
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him in a hospital. No, even more inappropriate. I saw
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him in a hospital. So I wasn't going to be like,
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I was like, and we had an elevator, right? We
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were right in the elevator. We were both going to
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visit people. We were like, and I was like, I'm
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not going to go. I knew who he was. I'm
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not going to be like, you're John Semper, aren't you?
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Yeah, he's having like hopefully everything's fine but there's a
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very good possibility he's having one of the worst days
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of his life like nobody's there because they want to
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be there no so.
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You know visiting someone that you care about and i
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wasn't you know and.
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I was just like oh yeah.
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Oh if this was another situation yeah.
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Yeah we were standing in line at the bank or
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something you know um but but no that's awesome dude
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i mean that has the most badass theme songs of
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any cartoon ever. So I listen to it now just
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for fun.
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Spider-Man!
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Yeah, and all the the intro images I have speared
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into my brain, like Doc Ock running through that wall
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and Venom picking up Spider-Man in the web. Yeah, dude.
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It's so awesome.
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So that was my introduction. So, Andy, what is your
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favorite Spider-Man art? Comics, comics.
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I should.
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I know you know what I'm talking about, but for
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those who don't know the terminology, what is your favorite
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run or arc or even writer for Spider-Man?
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I was going to say, this might be cheating because
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it's way too long to be considered an arc, but
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all of Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man is incredible. And what I
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love is it takes every element of the Silver Age
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and updates it to what was then the modern day
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in a way that feels... real and almost like you're
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reading it for the first time because i adore lee
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and ditko's work i adore john ramita senior i love
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that stuff but it is of its time and so
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reading ultimate spider-man is almost like rediscovering those stories but
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just with enough pathos and like maturity that as an
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adult you can really sit with it for a while
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which i really love it but it's not like they're
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reinventing it they're like there is so much good stuff
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here in the silver age let's just do more with
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it than they were able to do at that time,
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you know?
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It's a facelift or a reimagining, you know? Yep.
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So I adore it. What about you? What's your favorite Spider-Man?
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For me? Okay. So it's a little bit of context.
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So I have told people this, I don't know if
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I've actually said this on the podcast, but I was
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kind of a closet nerd. So my wife, because she
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knew me at this time she was like dude you
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were a she didn't say dude max you were a
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a jock you wanted to be a jock in high
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school like you played sports you were trying to be
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the cool kid whatever that's her words but i always
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had kind of this like nerdy thing but like really
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avengers made kind of geekdom nerdom you know popular uh
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doctor who you know it's like Kids used to get
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beat up for having comic books in their lunch pail
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and stuff. It's not like that, thankfully. All to say
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is when I watched Avengers 2012 and there was that...
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I'm interrupting myself. I knew about Spider-Man. I knew about
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X-Men from the TV shows, but I didn't really know
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about Iron Man that much, Captain America. I just knew
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what I knew from the TV shows. When Thanos, at
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the very end of Avengers when he turns and everyone
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just gasped. They're like, Oh my gosh, I had no
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idea who Thanos was. And I said at that point,
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I'm going to figure out this Marvel universe comic wise.
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So it went really, I just dove straight into it.
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this time, I think it was like probably the last
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time that like Marvel comics and DC comics were actually
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really good. It's kind of gone through a lull.
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They're really good right now if you know where to look.
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The Absolute Universe is wonderful.
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I started to read that.
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Yeah, the recent Immortal Hulk run from less than 10
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years ago is fantastic. But I totally get it. There
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was a time where it was firing on all cylinders.
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Right. And every name, every big comic name at the
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time was doing something. So all to say is that
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around this time, the amazing Spider-Man, I think they ended
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at issue 700 or 600. You can correct me.
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Oh, 700. That was when he died and Doc Ock
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took over his body. Yeah.
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So my favorite is Superior Spider-Man.
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That's when I started reading Spider-Man monthly. That was when
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I jumped on because I had enough money as a
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freshman in high school to afford Spider-Man. $ 5 a month.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, cause I, I, it's funny. Cause I'm like, I'm 22, 23.
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I can do monthly comics now. Yeah. So same thing. Yeah.
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And I was like 13, but also, you know, I
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was able to scrape together enough to get some of
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the new 52 titles. And then once Marvel started doing
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Marvel now, then I expanded out a little bit more. And,
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but yeah, you're Spider-Man. I remember, um, my friends would
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ask me to pick up extra copies for them from.
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The comic book store. We should say that.
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Not at the time, but I was still going every week.
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My mom would drop me off every week, and they
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were like, can you pick me up an extra copy
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of Superior Spider-Man? They would give me like a five.
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And then on Thursday, I would bring it to school,
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and everyone would get their copy. It was awesome. Those
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were the good times, you know, before job tax.
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Yeah, before, you know, responsibilities and stuff. So yeah, so
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Superior Spider-Man, if you don't know, so at the end
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of issue 700... Peter Parker and Doc Ock switch brains,
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so their consciences are in different bodies. And then Doc Ock,
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who is in Peter's body, kills Octavio, who has Peter's.
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So then he becomes the superior Spider-Man because he's like,
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everything that Peter did, I'm going to do better because
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they have this huge rivalry, and I love it. I
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just loved it, loved it, loved it. So that's my favorite. Okay. Okay.
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So we got that out of the way. Let's talk
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Spider-Man one, Sam Raimi. What do you love about it, dude?
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I love it for the same reason that I love
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Richard Donner's first Superman. And I was actually, it's funny.
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My mom and I had lunch today and we were
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driving in the car and my Spotify has all the
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soundtracks from all these movies. So I had it going
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and we were talking, I was asking her about what
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it was like seeing Superman in theaters in 1978. And
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I was talking about the comparisons between the two. And
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I think what I love about both of them is
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they're very grounded emotionally and but all the comic book
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elements are still comic book elements. You know, like I
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love the sincerity of both of them. And if we're
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sticking with just the Raimi movies for now, because that's
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what this episode is about. I love, love, love that
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it has all of the silver age elements of it.
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Does not apologize for them. Does not excuse them. Does
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not try to come up with some BS, like pseudo
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scientific reason why any of this is happening. It's like, no,
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He can crawl up the walls. Green Goblin can fly
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on the glider. You know, like, we don't have to
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explain it or make a reason for it, but all
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of the human elements are very realistic and human. Like,
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I love that moment, like, after the graduation when he
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goes home and she's like, oh, do you want, like,
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you know, want me to make you something? He's like, no,
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I'm good. He's like, I need to go up for
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a while. And then it cuts to him, like, kind
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of crying upstairs because he's thinking about Uncle Ben. And
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it's like, that's not something that gets put in, like,
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a lot of comic book adaptations like that level of
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sincerity you know what i mean.
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Yeah yeah definitely and i would say across the board
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i love spider-man that's my favorite comic book character of
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all time i that is like the comic book i'm
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gonna go read if i go into any comic book
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store it's like where's the spider-man section but what i
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love about it and it is the conflict okay Peter
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Parker is trying to be the best Peter Parker and
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the best Spider-Man that he can be. Yeah. But they
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don't exist. That can't happen. Something is going to suffer.
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Whether his, um, capabilities of Spider-Man or his relationships, his friendships.
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So I just love that dichotomy because, um, especially in
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my former, um, job in profession and I'm going to
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another profession. Hopefully I do better. I felt that I
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felt cause I was working with people. I felt like,
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and especially I was young, I was learning really to
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have boundaries and like trying to do too much. I
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was trying to like be there for people when sometimes,
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and I'll be honest when sometimes I should just been
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there for my wife or for my family and things
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like that. So I get that. Like to me, I
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understand that struggle that Peter Parker has.
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Yes, no, absolutely. And that's why he is like the
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most relatable superhero. You know, I think that's why Spider-Man
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kind of endures. And I sort of rediscovered why I
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love that character so much in senior year of high
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school when I was reading Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man for the
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first time. And, you know, when you're about to graduate
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high school, that is the perfect time to be reading Spider-Man.
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Because it's all about like, you're going to have to
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let some of this stuff go, like some of the
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childhood notions about the world go, you know?
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Absolutely. So let's go to the first movie. So the
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first movie was released May 3rd, 2002. Yep. You said
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you saw it a few weeks later, but I'll tell you, dude,
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the amount of hype behind this movie was incredible because
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at this point there was never a Spider-Man on screen
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except for like that Japanese version that was in like
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a sentai kind of mixture.
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That really crappy cbs show that from the last of like.
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Oh that's right yeah yeah that one as well.
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As someone who is an enormous fan of bill bixby's
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incredible hulk that 70s spider-man show is like unwatchable it's.
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Terrible i've never seen it i've only seen clips yeah
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that's why i forgot about.
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It the the the soundtrack is kind of cool and
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i like the fact that they actually had a dude
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climbing like 50 stories above because that's how they had
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to do it you know.
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That's what i see i see some memes of it
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you know.
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Yeah like it's cool but like no you're totally right
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like this is the first it's like when batman 89
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came out and it's like the only thing you had
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had before that was batman 66 it's like well you
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know we're finally seeing this thing done in a way
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that is, has a little bit of verisimilitude is, you know, Richard.
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Donovan call it. Yeah. And like, we saw the success
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of X-Men in 2000. Yes. And it was like, okay,
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so now Marvel and, and at this time, Marvel is
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kind of a mess. They're selling off the rights. They're
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like on life support.
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The Blade movies are a shame to even say that
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they're comic book movies. They're marketed more like The Matrix
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than they are a comic book movie.
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So here's Spider-Man. You can't hide it. And I think
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it really launched what movies could be as far as
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comic book movies. And I think we have a lot
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to thank with the MCU to Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. We
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can spend so much time. But, of course, we've got,
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you know, Tobey Maguire, Spider-Man, Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin,
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James Franco as Harry Osborn, Kirsten Dunst as MJ.
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My childhood crush.
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There you go. J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson, Cliff
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Robertson as Uncle Ben, Rosemary Harris as Aunt May. Those are, like,
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the ones I want to mention right off the bat.
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Elizabeth Banks as Miss Brandt. We have Bruce Campbell and
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different roles in these three movies. But the cast is phenomenal,
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especially in this first one. So what sticks out to
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you as far as the first movie in particular? Like
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what are some scenes or what does this movie do
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really well?
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I think what it does really well is it gives
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you everything that you would want from a Spider-Man movie
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in one go. Like they're not saving anything for the sequel.
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And again, I talked about this before just with friends
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and stuff. it follows the template of both Richard Donner's
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Superman and Tim Burton's Batman, where they fight their greatest opponent.
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You get to see their origin. You get the exact
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tone you would want from that character. So it's like,
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you know, if they never made another movie about this
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character again, you would still get the full Spider-Man experience.
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Oh yeah. This one. And that's what I really love
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about it is it sort of encapsulates the character, as
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I see him and as I think everyone sees him.
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And I think that same could be said for, you know,
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Donner Superman and Burton's Batman, at least the first of
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each of those franchises. There's just little character moments. Again,
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like I said, like all of the interactions between uncle
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Ben are great. All the interactions between Aunt May are great.
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I really love when the green goblin throws a pumpkin
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bomb through the daily bugle.
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Oh yeah.
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And he picks up J Jonah Jameson and he's like
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asking him who the photographer is. And he goes, I
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don't know who he is. His stuff comes in the mail. Like,
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that's like some integrity right there for that character. You
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know what I mean? You're like, Oh, he's not an asshole.
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Like he's gonna actually protect Peter Parker, even though he's
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being a total dick the entire movie. You know what
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I mean?
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Right. Yeah, totally.
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You're like, Oh, he's a real person.
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Yeah. Um, it is relatable.
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Yeah.
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And I love the freaking suit. Oh God.
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Yeah.
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Every, every movie. And they keep it pretty consistent except
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for the third one, because that's part of the plot.
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But I will say in comparison, where you have, you know,
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Tom Holland, Spider-Man, it's a different suit.
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Every movie.
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Like, he has three suits every movie, and that's so
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that they can sell merchandise and different costumes, and, you know,
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it's all marketing, I think. But the suit in this
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one is just so iconic. The webs on his suit.
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The ray of webbing, yeah.
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Yes, it's so good, like, It's just, it's 10 out
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of 10.
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The silver of it. Like, and I remember like just the,
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all the marketing for that movie of they would have
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like the half of Spider-Man's face with like the one
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eye and you would see like sort of the black
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stitching going up and down each one.
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Like, and that rich, dark red and blue, you know,
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like of the suit. It's just, it looks like a
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comic book. It's exactly what you would want. Again, it's,
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it's like Christopher Reeve's Superman costume. It is exactly what
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those artists are drawing and, in live action. It's really exciting,
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you know?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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How do you like Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane Watson?
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Because people are kind of on the fence about it.
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They're split about it.
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I think she's phenomenal. I think she's phenomenal. I can
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think the character is written really well as, as well
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00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:17.460
because she's, people are always like, Oh, you know, she's so,
482
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.680
she never understands. She's always, you know, complaining and all
483
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:22.670
that kind of stuff. I'm like, well, Take it from
484
00:24:22.730 --> 00:24:25.750
like her perspective when she doesn't know that he's Spider-Man.
485
00:24:26.089 --> 00:24:29.990
This is supposedly like your best friend who's constantly just
486
00:24:30.109 --> 00:24:30.769
ditching you.
487
00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:33.170
You know what I mean? Right.
488
00:24:33.190 --> 00:24:35.369
You would feel, you know, she would stop going out
489
00:24:35.410 --> 00:24:37.490
with him and get involved with another guy. You know
490
00:24:37.509 --> 00:24:41.339
what I mean? Like it's she's written very realistically. And
491
00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:44.380
I think everything that's great about the first one is
492
00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:47.410
amplified and refined in the second one. to the point
493
00:24:47.430 --> 00:24:49.369
where I think the second one really is like an
494
00:24:49.589 --> 00:24:52.130
all time or blockbuster on the level of like a
495
00:24:52.170 --> 00:24:55.470
Jurassic park or a, or a star Wars. Like it
496
00:24:55.509 --> 00:24:58.450
has all that pathos that you would want and, and
497
00:24:58.529 --> 00:25:01.509
real character, human character interactions, you know?
498
00:25:02.190 --> 00:25:05.369
Yeah, totally. There's so much we can say. I definitely
499
00:25:05.410 --> 00:25:09.029
have to just the whole scene at the wrestling scene
500
00:25:09.509 --> 00:25:17.390
with bone saw. Oh, you got three minutes. Yeah. Oh yeah.
501
00:25:17.410 --> 00:25:19.430
I love when he's walking out there and the guy's like,
502
00:25:19.630 --> 00:25:22.859
Oh my leg. Oh my God. I can't feel my leg.
503
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.059
And they're like throwing stuff all over him. And it's like,
504
00:25:26.900 --> 00:25:27.500
it's so great.
505
00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.859
What I love about it is I love movies that
506
00:25:31.660 --> 00:25:33.740
have like professional wrestling as real.
507
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:34.259
Right.
508
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.599
So this is like real. It's not stage. It's not
509
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.000
a performance. Bonesaw is a real character. And the human
510
00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:46.180
spider is trying to, you know, win all this money.
511
00:25:46.299 --> 00:25:49.559
So I love that scene. What I really noticed on
512
00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.869
this time was the last words that Peter says to
513
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.549
uncle Ben. And he just says, stop pretending to be
514
00:25:55.609 --> 00:25:59.109
my father. And he just leaves at that. And those
515
00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:04.069
are his last words. So, and they don't really mention
516
00:26:04.109 --> 00:26:06.650
that like throughout, like, I think there was some room
517
00:26:06.710 --> 00:26:09.950
for like, Hey, aunt may, you know, this is Peter speaking.
518
00:26:09.970 --> 00:26:12.750
You know what my last words were, you know, I
519
00:26:12.849 --> 00:26:13.269
wish kind.
520
00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:15.650
Of say that a little kind of interrupt. Yeah. Sorry.
521
00:26:15.670 --> 00:26:17.769
Like that's the scene where he's like upstairs and he's
522
00:26:17.809 --> 00:26:19.430
by himself and she comes in and talks to him.
523
00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:19.910
Yeah.
524
00:26:20.009 --> 00:26:21.769
They definitely could have expanded on that, but I think
525
00:26:21.829 --> 00:26:24.599
it does pay off, especially in the second one when
526
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:26.299
he has to confess to her. Yeah.
527
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:27.180
Yeah.
528
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:29.160
But yeah, no, I love that because in the comics,
529
00:26:29.619 --> 00:26:32.539
a lot of the time, at least leading up to this,
530
00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:35.119
it was uncle Ben was just like the sweet, wise
531
00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:37.359
old man who gets gunned down. But I like how
532
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.839
they add that extra layer of like, he, the last
533
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:42.599
thing he said to him was like the one thing
534
00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:44.920
he would want to take back. And that adds to
535
00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:48.410
sort of like the responsibility of, of the lessons he's
536
00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:49.170
been taught, you know?
537
00:26:49.549 --> 00:26:52.609
Absolutely. So this is something that I was thinking about
538
00:26:53.250 --> 00:26:56.210
is you look at, and of course this is part
539
00:26:56.369 --> 00:27:01.759
of Peter Parker, Spider-Man's mythos and journey is with great
540
00:27:01.779 --> 00:27:03.279
power comes great responsibility.
541
00:27:03.380 --> 00:27:03.579
Right.
542
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.259
And I see like the first two movies, the first
543
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:12.460
one being, um, spider-man peter parker dealing with great power
544
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.200
what do you do with great power the second one
545
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.380
is more like with great responsibility he's trying to juggle
546
00:27:20.180 --> 00:27:23.279
you know the potential of mary jane and potential of
547
00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:25.759
you know so i think that's like it was really
548
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.420
good and then like the third one we'll get to
549
00:27:27.549 --> 00:27:31.529
it it doesn't feel as connected to the first two it's.
550
00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:33.750
Not as cohesive but i do think it does pay
551
00:27:33.829 --> 00:27:36.650
off because it is him struggling with well, how do
552
00:27:36.670 --> 00:27:39.269
you maintain who you are as a person when you
553
00:27:39.309 --> 00:27:42.170
have everything that you want? You know, when the struggle
554
00:27:42.250 --> 00:27:44.490
is no longer there. You know what I mean? Like,
555
00:27:44.710 --> 00:27:45.450
it's Rocky III.
556
00:27:46.309 --> 00:27:46.470
True.
557
00:27:46.509 --> 00:27:47.950
It's Rocky III, you know.
558
00:27:48.349 --> 00:27:51.160
Yeah, true. I just thought it was funny that, like,
559
00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:54.519
all Gobby wanted is a friend. He just wanted to
560
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:55.619
be friends with Spider-Man.
561
00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:59.480
Yeah, wrong answer. But even that's, like, a great scene. Like,
562
00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:02.799
when he's saving the woman's baby from the fire. It's
563
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.849
so sincere. Yeah. And I love that part where he's like,
564
00:28:05.990 --> 00:28:07.990
I'll be here when you get back, not coming back.
565
00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:11.069
He's like, go, go. Like, like the whole city rallies
566
00:28:11.130 --> 00:28:14.250
behind him. I love that. I love, love, love, you know,
567
00:28:14.470 --> 00:28:16.859
and this is, we don't have to dwell on it
568
00:28:16.890 --> 00:28:19.359
too much, but this is very much like a immediately
569
00:28:19.420 --> 00:28:20.640
post nine 11 movie.
570
00:28:20.900 --> 00:28:23.140
Oh yeah. They had to change some of the marketing
571
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:23.599
because of it.
572
00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:27.720
Oh yeah. But I think without, you know, we don't
573
00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:29.250
have to get into what was actually going on in
574
00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:31.150
the country at the time, but, but all of the
575
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.119
positives that came out of our unity of that time,
576
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.920
I think are reflected in here of like, you know,
577
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:41.559
that like you mess with one of us, you mess
578
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:43.400
with all of us when they're throwing the garbage on
579
00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:46.779
the green goblin and stuff, that idea of like, okay,
580
00:28:46.819 --> 00:28:50.509
we're all one family. You know what I mean? We're
581
00:28:50.630 --> 00:28:53.109
all together in this. We're all in this together. We've
582
00:28:53.130 --> 00:28:56.750
been brought together by something bigger. I think that's reflected
583
00:28:56.789 --> 00:28:59.450
really well in here. Again, this is not, you know,
584
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.819
there's not reflecting what's actually going on in the country
585
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.079
at the time, but I'm saying in, in media, I
586
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.660
think that's a very positive portrayal of, of what was.
587
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.980
Happening, especially in New York city. And we saw it
588
00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:13.920
now with the Knicks winning the NBA championship, like the
589
00:29:14.049 --> 00:29:16.910
city rallies when they have a hero. I mean, we
590
00:29:16.930 --> 00:29:19.769
saw that this summer, like they will rally around their
591
00:29:19.869 --> 00:29:22.789
heroes and they will show out. And we saw that,
592
00:29:22.809 --> 00:29:24.809
you know, over the summer and there was millions of
593
00:29:24.849 --> 00:29:28.589
people out in times square to root on the Knicks.
594
00:29:29.150 --> 00:29:32.630
Well, you know, in any time of crisis, the important
595
00:29:32.670 --> 00:29:36.240
thing is to look at all of the self-sacrificing normal
596
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.910
people who come together to try and help. And I
597
00:29:39.230 --> 00:29:41.930
love that scene on the bridge for that reason where they.
598
00:29:41.789 --> 00:29:43.230
Go oh you're gonna pick on a guy trying to
599
00:29:43.269 --> 00:29:45.269
save a bunch of kids oh yeah i got something
600
00:29:45.289 --> 00:29:48.089
for your ass like you know like these are they're
601
00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:50.779
not superheroes but they got some pipes and they've got
602
00:29:50.819 --> 00:29:53.910
some garbage and they've got some you know campbell's soup
603
00:29:53.950 --> 00:29:55.910
cans and they're gonna throw it on this guy it's
604
00:29:55.930 --> 00:29:58.279
just you know they're gonna do everything they possibly can
605
00:29:58.299 --> 00:30:00.960
and i think that reflected throughout the trilogy.
606
00:30:01.180 --> 00:30:02.470
They're New Yorkers, you know?
607
00:30:02.549 --> 00:30:02.750
Yeah.
608
00:30:03.750 --> 00:30:07.730
All right. A few just fun facts about the first
609
00:30:07.809 --> 00:30:12.509
movie is that Willem Dafoe performed 90% of his own stunts.
610
00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:14.170
I believe it. He's a god.
611
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.480
I love his performance. Tobey Maguire during the Upside down
612
00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:25.640
kissing that that actually was filmed in Warner Brothers studio.
613
00:30:25.819 --> 00:30:27.660
And if you go on the tour, they will show
614
00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:30.039
you where it happened. It was in the back lot.
615
00:30:30.259 --> 00:30:32.579
It was in Burbank. Yeah, because he was upside down
616
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.799
and because they had water, he was constantly like drowning
617
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:38.140
because he was upside down.
618
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.549
You can see when she peels the mask down, like
619
00:30:40.569 --> 00:30:43.210
the veins in his neck are just bulging because he's
620
00:30:43.250 --> 00:30:45.589
hanging upside down. It's it's a great shot, though.
621
00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:49.680
Okay so let's go to number two so tell us
622
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:52.259
about number two like how is it different from the
623
00:30:52.299 --> 00:30:54.359
first one what makes it stand.
624
00:30:54.220 --> 00:30:57.380
Out i think it's infinitely more mature than the first
625
00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.119
one totally um and that's not a that's not a
626
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.059
um slam on the first one the first one is
627
00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:05.230
phenomenal it's a great movie but i think it goes
628
00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:07.769
from being a comic book movie and i only say
629
00:31:07.809 --> 00:31:10.890
this as in that is a pure comic book melodramatic
630
00:31:10.990 --> 00:31:14.569
world of that first one to being like a more
631
00:31:14.670 --> 00:31:19.680
realistic like film character drama, you know, with just with
632
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.650
the backdrop, I think it does a better job of
633
00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:25.730
marrying the character stuff with the comic book stuff without
634
00:31:25.769 --> 00:31:28.529
sacrificing either of them. Again, the first movie on its
635
00:31:28.589 --> 00:31:32.009
own is perfect. It's just, this is more perfect. That
636
00:31:32.049 --> 00:31:34.329
makes sense. You know, it's a very much like a,
637
00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:38.700
a empire strikes back or a Godfather two, or, you know,
638
00:31:38.740 --> 00:31:41.480
name any of the good, like nobody's going to criticize
639
00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:43.859
the Terminator one and be like, well, they could have
640
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.049
done this better. But then you see Terminator two and
641
00:31:46.069 --> 00:31:48.269
you just go, Oh, but they did do it better.
642
00:31:48.369 --> 00:31:52.269
You know, like they exactly perfection, which is incredibly rare.
643
00:31:52.730 --> 00:31:54.410
But I do love the second one. I think the
644
00:31:54.450 --> 00:31:58.130
second one is one of the all time greatest mainstream
645
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.779
movies ever made. I would put it up there with
646
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.039
Back to the Future and Jurassic Park. I'm not even.
647
00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:05.200
Wow.
648
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:05.559
Not even.
649
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:06.019
OK.
650
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:07.039
OK.
651
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:07.519
Yeah.
652
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:07.680
No.
653
00:32:08.009 --> 00:32:09.130
One hundred percent. It's that good.
654
00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:09.250
OK.
655
00:32:09.269 --> 00:32:09.750
You know.
656
00:32:09.789 --> 00:32:11.109
All right. It's perfect.
657
00:32:11.269 --> 00:32:13.390
You might have showed your hands a little bit for
658
00:32:13.430 --> 00:32:16.990
your ranking later, but yeah. I mean, I will say
659
00:32:17.250 --> 00:32:23.410
Spider-Man 1, definitely more nostalgic, and I think I've seen more.
660
00:32:24.690 --> 00:32:25.279
I was 12.
661
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:26.420
It's more of its time.
662
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.299
More of its time. I was 12 when it came out.
663
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:33.079
Spider-Man 2 came out. What was the date?
664
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:33.240
2004.
665
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.819
2004. It was May as well. So I'm 14. So
666
00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:37.740
I'm starting to get a little cynical when it comes
667
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.390
to my movies now. Not that I was cynical towards
668
00:32:41.430 --> 00:32:44.509
this movie, but I think when I'm 12 years old,
669
00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:50.289
I remember I still bought toys for the first movie.
670
00:32:50.349 --> 00:32:53.799
I had this web slinger. I had the action figures.
671
00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:58.980
I had the PS2 game. I had them all, right?
672
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:02.140
I didn't have that stuff for Spider-Man 2. I wasn't
673
00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:05.500
collecting toys at that time. I was more into video games.
674
00:33:05.539 --> 00:33:08.410
I was more into... you know sports i was starting
675
00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:11.359
to get you know on aol and talking to girls
676
00:33:11.420 --> 00:33:15.680
online like that's what was my focus you know right.
677
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:17.940
So you could have talked to him about spider-man yep
678
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:20.220
yeah i will.
679
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.480
Say my aol uh screen name was da flash rocks
680
00:33:24.700 --> 00:33:28.359
like the you know da and then flash and then
681
00:33:28.660 --> 00:33:32.960
r-o-c-k-z I don't know why I didn't put R-O-X because
682
00:33:32.980 --> 00:33:34.869
that would have been appropriate for the time.
683
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:35.609
I don't know.
684
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.569
That's okay. It's of the time. I was not talking
685
00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:45.730
about Spider-Man, but I probably should have. But the second one, yeah,
686
00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:52.170
it introduces more, but it's not convoluted. It is a
687
00:33:52.869 --> 00:33:57.650
character arc. It is a character piece, and it is drawing,
688
00:33:57.730 --> 00:33:59.930
like you said, from a lot of the comics and
689
00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:04.910
And they're able to, really, it's about Peter, like I
690
00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:08.349
said earlier, and just trying to navigate, okay, I'm Spider-Man.
691
00:34:08.949 --> 00:34:12.579
I'm good at being Spider-Man. But how do I be
692
00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:14.840
good at being Peter Parker? Because I've always kind of
693
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.539
sucked at that.
694
00:34:17.099 --> 00:34:19.460
No, I totally agree with that, dude. And especially because
695
00:34:19.940 --> 00:34:22.760
I think that this particular character arc in Spider-Man 2
696
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.829
is something that is endlessly relevant throughout people's lives. Where
697
00:34:27.170 --> 00:34:29.320
sometimes life gets to be a little too much and
698
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.699
you sort of question what is important and what isn't
699
00:34:31.780 --> 00:34:34.340
and what you really want to be. You know, and
700
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:37.280
I think they really commit to that really well. Obviously,
701
00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:41.219
it's most relevant when you're in your late teens, early 20s.
702
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.440
But I think, you know, whether someone's in their 40s
703
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:45.860
and feeling like they want to change a job or,
704
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.400
you know, someone's going through particularly, you know, maybe their
705
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.619
relationship isn't going so well or something like, you know,
706
00:34:51.699 --> 00:34:53.579
you could be any age and relate to what he's
707
00:34:53.619 --> 00:34:56.250
going through in this. And I love that part where
708
00:34:56.289 --> 00:34:59.670
he's visiting the doctor, you know, and the doctor goes,
709
00:34:59.929 --> 00:35:01.849
first off, I love how in every single one of
710
00:35:01.889 --> 00:35:05.610
these movies, people obviously know he's Spider-Man and they're just
711
00:35:05.690 --> 00:35:08.469
not going to say anything because they support him like that.
712
00:35:08.909 --> 00:35:10.550
But like the idea of he's like, well, maybe you're
713
00:35:10.590 --> 00:35:13.650
not supposed to be Spider-Man climbing these walls. And that's
714
00:35:13.730 --> 00:35:16.190
why you keep falling. And it's that's so like that's
715
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:19.230
like endlessly relevant. You can be 80 and that could
716
00:35:19.269 --> 00:35:21.840
be relevant to your life. you know i i it's
717
00:35:21.860 --> 00:35:24.699
just his character arc is so well defined in that.
718
00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:26.659
And i love and i and i forget about it
719
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.340
but every time i watch it again i'm reminded i'm
720
00:35:29.380 --> 00:35:32.369
like this doctor has a grateful dead t-shirt like he's
721
00:35:32.409 --> 00:35:35.449
a deadhead like it's like what yeah it's so random
722
00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:37.550
but i love it it's like let's put this damn
723
00:35:37.590 --> 00:35:40.010
rainy touch i want to know more about this doctor
724
00:35:40.190 --> 00:35:42.170
is he does he have credentials is it just a
725
00:35:42.210 --> 00:35:44.750
guy who just randomly walked in with a change with
726
00:35:44.769 --> 00:35:47.340
like a doctor's coat Why does he have a Grateful
727
00:35:47.420 --> 00:35:50.460
Dead shirt? And why is that part of the outfit?
728
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.969
Or why is that part of the uniform? Like, I
729
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:54.070
just have so many questions.
730
00:35:55.190 --> 00:35:58.289
Right. Yeah, no, but that's great. Everything in the Raimi
731
00:35:58.309 --> 00:36:02.670
movies feels real, including, like, the background characters, you know?
732
00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:05.010
There's so many great extras in these movies.
733
00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:07.880
Oh, yeah, yeah. Some that are doing more than they should,
734
00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:09.780
but I also like it, you know?
735
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.380
Yeah, remind me of that when we get to Spider-Man 3.
736
00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:17.480
Okay, so with Spider-Man 2... You know, Raimi's known for
737
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.579
his horror. This is probably one of the movies where
738
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:26.079
it's not explicitly horror or thriller or things like that.
739
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.639
But this movie in particular, you really see it. There
740
00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:34.179
are some more screams. There's more horror aspects. That scene
741
00:36:34.219 --> 00:36:38.869
where Doc Ock is on the operation table, and that
742
00:36:38.929 --> 00:36:43.389
is a straight-up slasher slash monster movie, the way that
743
00:36:43.429 --> 00:36:48.389
it's filmed, the lighting. the screams it is so good andy.
744
00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:53.219
That scene comes out of nowhere and it's so so
745
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.320
good it's so him and you gotta remember this is
746
00:36:56.380 --> 00:36:58.920
a movie that families are going to yeah and you
747
00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:01.980
have a guy getting electrocuted and you have like john
748
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.139
landis he's one of the direct or he's one of
749
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.429
the uh doctors right by the way he's the one
750
00:37:06.449 --> 00:37:10.130
that gets impaled into the wall by doc doc's arm
751
00:37:10.570 --> 00:37:12.449
And then like that one lady where she's being dragged
752
00:37:12.469 --> 00:37:13.989
into the darkness and her nails.
753
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.659
Are scraping up the concrete.
754
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.940
It's just, he went all in on this. It's so perfect.
755
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:21.159
And what's great is you watch it too. You're like,
756
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:25.780
how is Spider-Man going to beat this? You know, um, it's,
757
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.639
it's very much what happens when you let someone just
758
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:33.840
do their artistic inclinations, you know, let them follow their
759
00:37:33.889 --> 00:37:37.300
artistic voice. Um, Not to, you know, this won't become
760
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.380
a whole like MCU thing, but I think a big
761
00:37:39.429 --> 00:37:41.769
criticism of that and some of its biggest weaknesses is
762
00:37:41.809 --> 00:37:44.429
that they all feel exactly the same. And, you know,
763
00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:46.230
and then you get to something like Doctor Strange 2
764
00:37:46.230 --> 00:37:49.110
where they have actual Sam Raimi moments in it. And
765
00:37:49.150 --> 00:37:50.960
it's like a total breath of fresh air.
766
00:37:50.969 --> 00:37:51.369
That's right.
767
00:37:51.429 --> 00:37:54.400
Yeah. Or, of course, the Guardians of the Galaxy. But
768
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:57.440
neither of those would exist without these first Raimi Spider-Man movies.
769
00:37:57.460 --> 00:38:00.130
That's true. Yeah. I don't know why I forgot that
770
00:38:00.170 --> 00:38:02.750
he did that. He did the Dr. Strange movie.
771
00:38:02.789 --> 00:38:03.849
Yeah, I know. It was great.
772
00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:06.969
I love that movie. Yeah. But I, it's not when
773
00:38:07.010 --> 00:38:09.260
I go through his filmography, that's not one of the
774
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:10.659
first ones that comes to my mind.
775
00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:13.900
Right. I mean, he adapted both of Steve Ditko's biggest
776
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.019
Marvel characters, which is kind of cool.
777
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:16.960
I like it.
778
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.360
But yeah, no, Spider-Man two is one of the greatest.
779
00:38:20.420 --> 00:38:22.619
It's in my top five movies of all time. And
780
00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:24.119
I know we have a ranking later, but I'll just
781
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.690
let people, it goes Jaws, John Carpenter's Halloween.
782
00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:27.789
Yeah.
783
00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:32.110
Richard Donner's Superman, Spider-Man 2, and then rounding it out
784
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.699
at number five is Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. Like, that's my
785
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.539
top five. And not in any order. They're just in
786
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:39.159
the house together.
787
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:40.199
Oh, that is the order.
788
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:42.239
That is the order. It's my fourth favorite movie of
789
00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:44.550
all time. Wow. I absolutely adore it.
790
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.510
Okay. All right. Well, I love the fact that we
791
00:38:47.550 --> 00:38:51.909
are talking about... Two out of your top five favorite
792
00:38:51.929 --> 00:38:54.170
movies here on Radio Retro. That's great.
793
00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:54.670
Yes.
794
00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:55.230
Yeah.
795
00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:55.530
Yeah.
796
00:38:55.590 --> 00:38:58.210
Yeah, exactly. We got to do a psycho retrospective at
797
00:38:58.250 --> 00:38:58.690
some point.
798
00:38:59.130 --> 00:38:59.670
Ooh.
799
00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:03.710
You know, in 2028, I think the, or maybe it's 2029,
800
00:39:03.710 --> 00:39:06.369
the psycho remake will be having its 30th anniversary.
801
00:39:06.409 --> 00:39:07.210
Oh, that's right.
802
00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:09.360
We'll have to do an episode on that.
803
00:39:09.380 --> 00:39:09.929
Sounds good.
804
00:39:09.949 --> 00:39:11.320
A little preview for the audience.
805
00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:18.550
Yes. Well, going back to 2004. Yeah. Vindicated by Dashboard Confessional.
806
00:39:19.090 --> 00:39:22.530
It is so good. And that song came out for
807
00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:27.510
this movie. And I have to say, freaking the first movie.
808
00:39:27.989 --> 00:39:28.570
Oh, Hero?
809
00:39:28.909 --> 00:39:29.809
And I said.
810
00:39:32.500 --> 00:39:37.559
It's so good and then freaking vindicated dashboard confessional a
811
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.110
few months ago we did an entire my buddy jesse
812
00:39:41.150 --> 00:39:43.289
from heart guide media and i we went through all
813
00:39:43.449 --> 00:39:46.710
of dust and summer yeah And that was the last
814
00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:49.730
track of the album. So we went through a lot
815
00:39:49.750 --> 00:39:51.550
of Dashboard already. You already know what I think of
816
00:39:51.590 --> 00:39:56.699
the song. But so good. Like the soundtracks in this
817
00:39:56.780 --> 00:40:01.840
time was so good. I remember going to Sam Goody's
818
00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:05.760
or Best Buy and getting the soundtracks of movies because
819
00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:08.570
there was one or two tracks and you loved it.
820
00:40:09.019 --> 00:40:12.969
And I hate that movies don't do that nowadays. I know.
821
00:40:13.030 --> 00:40:16.329
Well, you get your Spotify playlist up. You can throw
822
00:40:16.369 --> 00:40:18.690
it on there. You know, it's not the same though.
823
00:40:18.829 --> 00:40:21.090
It is not the same because it would be like,
824
00:40:22.070 --> 00:40:24.989
it would be a trailer of a movie. You would
825
00:40:25.050 --> 00:40:27.860
see it. And then it would say, you know, soundtrack
826
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.340
also being released on the same day that the movie's
827
00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:31.599
being dropped in theaters.
828
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.000
And that's when you grab, that's when you grab the
829
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.389
daredevil soundtrack. Cause it has bring me to life on it.
830
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.800
And it has the Rob zombie song on it.
831
00:40:40.590 --> 00:40:44.130
Yes, but Vindicated. And that's... I feel like every movie
832
00:40:44.349 --> 00:40:45.960
should end with Vindicated. Yep.
833
00:40:48.110 --> 00:40:48.510
I agree.
834
00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:53.530
Yeah. So with Spider-Man 2, some fun facts. So I
835
00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:56.239
didn't know this, but I guess James Franco and Tobey
836
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.719
Maguire has some beef throughout the entire series. And there
837
00:41:00.739 --> 00:41:05.840
was a story where James Franco embarrassed Tobey Maguire on
838
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.769
set of this movie, and it's caused... Friction. So apparently
839
00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:14.010
James Franco has always been kind of problematic or the
840
00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:16.510
dude has always had issues. Like he was just being
841
00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:19.880
kind of a dick, I guess. But, um, Oh, I
842
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.119
do have to say, so I did see this one
843
00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:25.079
in the theaters. I know I didn't see the third one.
844
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:27.440
I saw the second one in theaters. I didn't see
845
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.039
the first one. Oh, I don't remember if I did
846
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.820
or if I did it. I've seen it so many times.
847
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:34.570
Like I can't remember, but I just remember I was
848
00:41:34.630 --> 00:41:36.869
with my friend on the second one. And this is
849
00:41:36.929 --> 00:41:38.909
where kind of, I was in a little cynical, uh,
850
00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:44.630
So I remember after the scene where Spider-Man saves the
851
00:41:44.690 --> 00:41:47.469
subway and then he kind of crowd surfs.
852
00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:48.409
Yeah.
853
00:41:48.429 --> 00:41:50.869
And I just remember my friend and I were just laughing.
854
00:41:50.909 --> 00:41:52.590
We just thought it, we thought it was corny at
855
00:41:52.610 --> 00:41:53.010
the time.
856
00:41:53.030 --> 00:41:57.250
It's such a good scene, man. That is like the pinnacle. Yeah.
857
00:41:57.469 --> 00:41:58.429
But there's a part of.
858
00:41:58.429 --> 00:42:00.989
Me when I see that scene, because that was my
859
00:42:01.030 --> 00:42:04.360
first reaction. Cause I saw it with my friend. This
860
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:05.920
was a friend, like we used to make fun of
861
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.239
things a lot. Like we'd like to have fun. Yeah.
862
00:42:08.260 --> 00:42:10.780
We're just like looking at it. And then we're like,
863
00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:13.489
that's kind of, it's kind of cheap. There's some cheesy stuff.
864
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:16.829
It's intentional in these movies, but that one.
865
00:42:16.849 --> 00:42:19.329
I was like, I love it. I love it. That's
866
00:42:19.369 --> 00:42:22.829
like my, that train fight is awesome. That train fight
867
00:42:22.909 --> 00:42:23.650
is incredible.
868
00:42:23.710 --> 00:42:24.269
It is dope.
869
00:42:24.449 --> 00:42:24.969
It is good.
870
00:42:25.329 --> 00:42:29.079
And a lot of good train fights in the whole trilogy. Yeah.
871
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:31.840
I just love the fact that the city comes together
872
00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:33.360
and they're like, yep. No, none of us are going
873
00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:34.300
to say a word about this.
874
00:42:34.659 --> 00:42:34.960
Yeah. Yeah.
875
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.679
Because he literally did save all their lives. Oh, he did, yeah.
876
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:43.360
Don't give his identity. He's just a kid. No older
877
00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:44.119
than my son.
878
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:46.579
Yeah, and then you want to get to him, you
879
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.809
got to go through me. And then Joey Diaz is
880
00:42:48.849 --> 00:42:51.309
there for whatever reason. It's great.
881
00:42:51.909 --> 00:42:56.349
It's awesome. More fun facts about Spider-Man 2 for the
882
00:42:56.389 --> 00:43:02.000
sequence where Aunt May gets taken hostage. Rosemary Harris performed
883
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.840
the action scenes herself. She was like, I don't want
884
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.460
a stunt coordinator. I want to do, or I don't
885
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:08.940
want a stunt team. I'm going to do it.
886
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:10.610
I believe it. She's a badass.
887
00:43:10.780 --> 00:43:11.429
Yeah.
888
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.210
Like during the writer's strike, crazy. He was going out
889
00:43:14.250 --> 00:43:16.730
and protesting at the age of like 95 or whatever.
890
00:43:16.829 --> 00:43:18.170
That's crazy.
891
00:43:18.550 --> 00:43:21.469
She's a, she's a total badass. She's great. All right.
892
00:43:21.829 --> 00:43:24.369
Anything before we move on to Spider-Man three.
893
00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:28.239
I mean, I could talk about this Spider-Man 2 for hours.
894
00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:30.900
I feel like, honestly, we should probably do a ready-to-retro
895
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.780
commentary track for the movie at some point. I think
896
00:43:33.820 --> 00:43:36.300
that would really be fun. But yeah, I could talk
897
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.260
for hours. But yeah, I think it basically is summed
898
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:40.940
up in, I like it as much as.
899
00:43:40.909 --> 00:43:41.409
You like it.
900
00:43:41.429 --> 00:43:44.590
Yeah, I like it as much. To me, it's on
901
00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:46.449
the level of Jurassic Park and Back to the Future.
902
00:43:46.469 --> 00:43:49.190
That's the best way I can summarize it for everybody.
903
00:43:50.030 --> 00:43:53.909
All right, so now we're on to Spider-Man 3. andy
904
00:43:54.190 --> 00:43:55.469
i'll let you go first.
905
00:43:55.769 --> 00:44:00.329
Very underrated okay very underrated movie i love spider-man 3
906
00:44:00.329 --> 00:44:03.369
it has all of the great raimi sauce like you
907
00:44:03.389 --> 00:44:06.269
know it has all of his amazing touches honestly i
908
00:44:06.309 --> 00:44:09.239
think as far as like action goes this may be
909
00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:11.420
where he peaked like so there are some of the
910
00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:15.500
best action of the entire trilogy in spider-man 3 it's
911
00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:18.949
messy but it's kind of funny because it's like at
912
00:44:18.989 --> 00:44:21.829
the time this was the standard for being like a bloated,
913
00:44:22.190 --> 00:44:28.070
overly full, you know, like unfocused comic book movie, which
914
00:44:28.110 --> 00:44:31.679
I think is entirely unfair. But also it's like, man,
915
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.480
if that was the standard, you guys had no clue
916
00:44:34.579 --> 00:44:37.420
shit we were in for like over the next 20
917
00:44:37.420 --> 00:44:41.739
years where it's like Spider-Man three looks like totally coherent.
918
00:44:41.860 --> 00:44:44.820
Like everything fits together perfectly compared to some of these
919
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.900
other things that have been coming out where they have
920
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.090
to have like a whole, 20 minute aside just to
921
00:44:50.150 --> 00:44:52.320
introduce a character that's going to be in, you know,
922
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:55.059
a team up movie five years from now. Sure. You know,
923
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.159
like it's it's I think it's a great movie. I
924
00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:01.760
think it's imperfect. I think it's the least of the trilogy,
925
00:45:01.889 --> 00:45:04.090
but I think it is so much closer in quality.
926
00:45:04.150 --> 00:45:06.269
The first two than other people give it credit for.
927
00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:10.309
I love, again, the emotional moments of it. I love
928
00:45:10.349 --> 00:45:13.780
the silliness of it. Every single frame of this is
929
00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:15.619
burned into my mind because my brother and I had
930
00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:17.980
it on DVD and we would watch it every night
931
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:20.500
before going to bed. And we would always pause on
932
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.760
Tobey Maguire's faces that he would make. Oh, yeah. Which
933
00:45:23.860 --> 00:45:26.340
like we were predicting the meme culture because people are
934
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:27.800
doing that now. Oh, yeah.
935
00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:29.820
Like, you know, they've been doing it for years.
936
00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:33.539
There's so many scenes in this where he's like, you know,
937
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:35.440
he looks like he's taking a dump or something like it.
938
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:40.010
It's just amazing. Like the comedy in this. You know
939
00:45:40.030 --> 00:45:44.090
what I mean? I absolutely adore Sam Raimi's sense of humor.
940
00:45:44.110 --> 00:45:47.389
I think Venom is awesome in this movie. I don't
941
00:45:47.429 --> 00:45:50.659
care what anybody says. That scene in the bell tower
942
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:55.079
where he's taking off the symbiote, that is legit badass.
943
00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:58.360
Yeah, where he's screaming at the bell.
944
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.719
Yeah, and anybody who has struggled to not text somebody
945
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.590
back or something like that, you know what I mean?
946
00:46:05.650 --> 00:46:07.670
Or to not go out to a party when you
947
00:46:07.710 --> 00:46:10.159
really want to. I'm trying to like, phrase it in
948
00:46:10.219 --> 00:46:12.530
a way that's like more realistic that's what that feels
949
00:46:12.590 --> 00:46:15.289
like you know what I mean it's just like like
950
00:46:15.309 --> 00:46:17.869
when he's tearing and screaming and yeah and he hits
951
00:46:17.929 --> 00:46:19.909
the bell and like it jumps off of his chest
952
00:46:19.969 --> 00:46:22.670
and screams it's so awesome and then even when it
953
00:46:22.710 --> 00:46:25.489
hits Eddie Brock and it's like going in his mouth
954
00:46:25.590 --> 00:46:28.090
and it's like going in his ears and he's like
955
00:46:28.190 --> 00:46:31.630
gagging it's so good it's it's again it's Sam Raimi
956
00:46:31.650 --> 00:46:34.869
being a horror director and also Eddie Brock hates him
957
00:46:34.969 --> 00:46:37.349
so much that he goes to church and prays that
958
00:46:37.389 --> 00:46:41.800
he dies and Like, yeah, that's comic book villain.
959
00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:42.739
Totally.
960
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:43.619
Right there.
961
00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:44.039
Yeah.
962
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:44.460
You know.
963
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.579
Okay. So I'll say I've only, I think, watched this
964
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:52.800
movie maybe once. No, I know I've seen it once before.
965
00:46:52.820 --> 00:46:56.059
I just watched it today. Yeah. I can't remember if
966
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.500
I've watched it a second time or not. When this
967
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.699
movie came out, Andy, I hated it.
968
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:02.250
So did everybody.
969
00:47:02.650 --> 00:47:03.789
You guys were all wrong.
970
00:47:03.809 --> 00:47:05.329
You guys were all wrong.
971
00:47:05.969 --> 00:47:09.309
But. Well, let me just say when it came out,
972
00:47:09.429 --> 00:47:12.500
there was so much hype behind it, especially growing up
973
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:16.659
with the animated show. Just Topher Grace was not the
974
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:19.619
Eddie Brock that we wanted. And I think and then
975
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.139
the whole emo thing. Like, still, it's it's really silly
976
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.969
because I in watching this because I was like, OK,
977
00:47:28.030 --> 00:47:30.769
I don't remember the first half. I just remember like.
978
00:47:31.510 --> 00:47:34.730
the last maybe 30 minutes. But the first half, I
979
00:47:34.889 --> 00:47:40.289
really enjoyed it. I will say, in re-watching it, it
980
00:47:40.349 --> 00:47:41.840
is not as bad as I remember it.
981
00:47:42.409 --> 00:47:43.469
No, it's a great movie.
982
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.340
It's not. I wouldn't go that far. But I don't
983
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:49.539
hate it like I did. When it came out, I
984
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.659
hated it. I remember watching it. I remember somebody who
985
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.309
I trusted, who was a big Spider-Man fan, and was like, Max,
986
00:47:58.210 --> 00:48:01.070
don't watch it. it's going to upset you. So I
987
00:48:01.230 --> 00:48:04.269
actually waited an entire year and I remember I was
988
00:48:04.329 --> 00:48:07.010
on a senior trip. We just graduated. We were coming
989
00:48:07.090 --> 00:48:11.650
back and we were in this bus and they showed it.
990
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.179
And I just remember that was the first time I
991
00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:16.840
watched it was on the bus. Again, I probably should
992
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:18.940
have saw it on a big screen and stuff, but
993
00:48:18.980 --> 00:48:22.719
I was just like, what is this? So I have that.
994
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.309
It's hard to erase something where you have such a
995
00:48:28.349 --> 00:48:33.900
remembrance of hating something i will say that animosity was
996
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:35.539
not as strong this time.
997
00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:38.019
I've had the same experience with the amazing spider-man 2
998
00:48:38.019 --> 00:48:41.139
okay but that's another ready to retro episode we can
999
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.469
do a whole but yes i think that i think
1000
00:48:43.489 --> 00:48:45.190
it's very well made i like a lot of the
1001
00:48:45.250 --> 00:48:46.949
emotional stuff in it and i'll put it this way
1002
00:48:47.329 --> 00:48:50.989
if they had made spider-man 4 and just friggin knocked
1003
00:48:51.030 --> 00:48:52.550
it out of the park you know what i mean
1004
00:48:52.610 --> 00:48:54.710
like it's on the quote level of quality of the
1005
00:48:54.769 --> 00:48:58.679
first two I don't think people would look to to
1006
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.079
unfairly on Spider-Man three. I think they would look at
1007
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:03.659
it as I think it would become almost like a
1008
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.389
Temple of Doom. We remember people were like, oh, Temple
1009
00:49:06.409 --> 00:49:07.949
of Doom sucks. But now, like, you kind of look
1010
00:49:07.969 --> 00:49:09.369
that or it's the worst one. But now you look
1011
00:49:09.409 --> 00:49:11.489
on it, you're like, there's a case to be made
1012
00:49:11.530 --> 00:49:13.869
that it's like the second best Indiana Jones movie.
1013
00:49:13.889 --> 00:49:13.989
Yeah.
1014
00:49:14.250 --> 00:49:16.469
You know, like there's a case to be made for it.
1015
00:49:16.510 --> 00:49:18.789
I think people would be kinder to this if they
1016
00:49:18.809 --> 00:49:21.650
had continued to go on. and continue to like, knock,
1017
00:49:22.050 --> 00:49:22.869
knock it out of the park.
1018
00:49:22.929 --> 00:49:27.510
Yeah. I think honestly, I think it works until the
1019
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:31.440
emo thing. Like that just, it, to me, it just
1020
00:49:31.460 --> 00:49:36.059
takes me out because it seems so like the, it
1021
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.880
jumped the shark, but up to that, I think James
1022
00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:43.969
Franco is, is fantastic how diabolical he is right he
1023
00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:48.170
is sadistic dude he's winking at peter he's taking his
1024
00:49:48.230 --> 00:49:52.489
girl he's kissing mj he's blackmailing her like that stuff
1025
00:49:52.570 --> 00:49:57.110
is really good i love the fight between hobgoblin and
1026
00:49:57.630 --> 00:50:00.809
peter in the beginning i totally forgot about that fight.
1027
00:50:00.670 --> 00:50:03.760
Thank you for calling him hobgoblin because i know Perry
1028
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.420
Osborn has not been the hobgoblin in the comics, but like,
1029
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:08.389
they might as well have just called him that in
1030
00:50:08.429 --> 00:50:09.449
this movie, you know.
1031
00:50:09.730 --> 00:50:11.690
It is right. I mean, that's what we all, that's
1032
00:50:11.710 --> 00:50:14.829
what we called them in the beginning. I mean, yeah. Since,
1033
00:50:15.030 --> 00:50:17.809
since we saw that it was always hobgoblin. Yeah. Yeah.
1034
00:50:17.849 --> 00:50:21.369
Cause well, he was always marketed as new goblin, you know, but,
1035
00:50:21.389 --> 00:50:23.449
and it's like, well, first off, one thing I'll say
1036
00:50:23.489 --> 00:50:25.849
is his, his suit is bad ass and I like
1037
00:50:25.909 --> 00:50:31.159
the skateboard thing, but there's nothing gobliny about him at all. No, no,
1038
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:34.119
like no whatsoever. I mean, that is pretty badass when
1039
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:36.449
he shows up and saves Peter at the very end
1040
00:50:36.530 --> 00:50:40.190
and they team up together. I mean, that's awesome. Again,
1041
00:50:41.030 --> 00:50:43.510
the fight at the end is great. I love Sandman
1042
00:50:43.570 --> 00:50:46.670
and the special effects are phenomenal for Sandman.
1043
00:50:46.809 --> 00:50:47.610
Oh yeah, totally.
1044
00:50:47.949 --> 00:50:52.730
That armored car scene is really good.
1045
00:50:52.750 --> 00:50:53.309
It's really good.
1046
00:50:53.550 --> 00:50:53.849
Yeah.
1047
00:50:54.809 --> 00:50:58.969
And Sandman, I mean, the character's good. I think they
1048
00:50:59.030 --> 00:51:01.380
were trying to put too much. Some of it worked.
1049
00:51:02.349 --> 00:51:05.889
Some of it just didn't, but I think the Sandman,
1050
00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:07.809
he was great for what he was. He was a
1051
00:51:07.869 --> 00:51:12.690
little more plot device, but that scene where him and
1052
00:51:12.769 --> 00:51:16.210
Spider-Man are fighting on the subway, that was awesome.
1053
00:51:16.349 --> 00:51:19.210
And he grinds his face against the subway cars that's
1054
00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:22.519
going by, and then he also kills him with the...
1055
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.320
by pulling up the pipes and everything.
1056
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:25.679
Yeah.
1057
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:27.820
I love the scene right after that, where he's talking
1058
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.570
to aunt may and she's like, Spider-Man doesn't kill people.
1059
00:51:30.829 --> 00:51:30.989
Right.
1060
00:51:31.010 --> 00:51:35.590
And it's like, she knows she so knows that he's Spider-Man.
1061
00:51:35.909 --> 00:51:37.329
You know what I mean? But like, it's just, it's
1062
00:51:37.349 --> 00:51:39.530
just this like unspoken thing. Yeah.
1063
00:51:39.909 --> 00:51:42.590
And I love how Fishman, I don't Andy, I don't
1064
00:51:42.610 --> 00:51:44.650
know if you remember how Fishman on KTLA.
1065
00:51:44.710 --> 00:51:47.059
Yeah. KTLA five. Yeah.
1066
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:49.679
So seeing how Fishman, like I remember when my parents
1067
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:53.699
would watch how Fishman like, yeah. nine o'clock every night,
1068
00:51:53.739 --> 00:51:56.280
you know? And, and I was like, Oh, I miss
1069
00:51:56.300 --> 00:51:58.630
Hal Fisher. And I forgot he was in this movie.
1070
00:51:58.769 --> 00:52:01.269
It's like, it's like seeing Sam Rubin now, like when
1071
00:52:01.309 --> 00:52:02.989
he shows up in a couple of movies every once
1072
00:52:03.030 --> 00:52:05.150
in a while. And you're just like, Oh, I miss
1073
00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:05.989
seeing that guy.
1074
00:52:06.010 --> 00:52:06.949
You know? Yeah.
1075
00:52:06.989 --> 00:52:08.590
KTLA five. I remember man.
1076
00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:09.670
Hell yeah. Yeah.
1077
00:52:10.139 --> 00:52:12.199
This could be the end of Spider-Man.
1078
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.889
I love that you could totally tell he's reading off
1079
00:52:15.949 --> 00:52:16.610
of the script.
1080
00:52:16.670 --> 00:52:21.690
Yeah, he's like, a mysterious black suited Spider-Man. And then
1081
00:52:21.989 --> 00:52:24.829
when the Spider-Man, stop us if you can, is in
1082
00:52:24.889 --> 00:52:28.730
the webbing, it's like the 90s font. That's really cool.
1083
00:52:28.769 --> 00:52:31.489
It's a nice little detail. There's lots of cool stuff
1084
00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:32.969
in this. The suit's awesome.
1085
00:52:32.989 --> 00:52:35.769
The black suit, the symbiotic suit is awesome.
1086
00:52:36.150 --> 00:52:38.650
You see the original designs for it where it's very
1087
00:52:38.750 --> 00:52:41.849
latex-y And like, it looks like the comic, but it
1088
00:52:41.909 --> 00:52:44.829
looks like not great in live action where it's got
1089
00:52:44.869 --> 00:52:47.380
the big white spider that's going across his chest. And
1090
00:52:47.409 --> 00:52:50.900
it's like all like just dark black. Yeah. This one
1091
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.440
looks so much better. The texture to it is great.
1092
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.579
I remember when this was coming out, I had my
1093
00:52:55.619 --> 00:52:58.900
grandpa drive me to like three different targets and two
1094
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.840
different Walmarts in one day trying to find a black
1095
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:03.300
suit Spider-Man action figure.
1096
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:04.110
Did you find it?
1097
00:53:04.539 --> 00:53:06.539
We did. And I remember when I got it, my
1098
00:53:06.579 --> 00:53:08.610
grandpa was like, oh, I see why you wanted this
1099
00:53:08.670 --> 00:53:09.309
so bad.
1100
00:53:09.389 --> 00:53:10.090
That's awesome.
1101
00:53:10.369 --> 00:53:10.590
Yeah.
1102
00:53:12.730 --> 00:53:16.650
So this came out on May 4th, 2007. So May
1103
00:53:16.690 --> 00:53:21.949
the 4th. Spider-Man, baby. Some fun facts about this movie
1104
00:53:22.590 --> 00:53:25.989
was that Sam Raimi didn't like how it came out.
1105
00:53:26.269 --> 00:53:29.429
So he thought that the fourth one, he was going
1106
00:53:29.449 --> 00:53:34.980
to redeem it. He wanted Mysterio in it. He wanted...
1107
00:53:35.900 --> 00:53:37.519
Who was the other one he wanted in? Didn't he
1108
00:53:37.539 --> 00:53:38.099
want the Lizard?
1109
00:53:38.139 --> 00:53:39.300
Vulture and Lizard were.
1110
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.260
Going to be... Yeah, Vulture and Lizard. And he wanted
1111
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:47.489
to be kind of more adult, more featured on Spider-Man
1112
00:53:47.530 --> 00:53:51.670
and kind of darker. It was probably going to lead
1113
00:53:51.690 --> 00:53:55.610
into the Six, dude. The Sinister Six. It was probably
1114
00:53:55.690 --> 00:53:56.280
leading to that.
1115
00:53:57.179 --> 00:53:58.840
Dude, that would have been badass. It reminds me of
1116
00:53:58.860 --> 00:54:01.760
when they were going to do Batman 5, like the
1117
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:04.460
sequel to Batman and Robin. And it was going to
1118
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.440
have the scarecrow and there was going to be a
1119
00:54:06.500 --> 00:54:09.579
hallucination scene where every actor that had played a Batman
1120
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.090
villain in the previous four movies was going to show
1121
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.110
up in this like hallucination. Because it would have been
1122
00:54:14.130 --> 00:54:15.570
the scarecrow as the villain, you know?
1123
00:54:15.590 --> 00:54:15.789
Yeah.
1124
00:54:15.949 --> 00:54:17.889
With the fear gas. That's kind of what it reminds
1125
00:54:17.909 --> 00:54:21.349
me of is can you imagine getting somehow like Willem
1126
00:54:21.369 --> 00:54:25.860
Dafoe and Alfred Molina back and all the sinister things? Yeah,
1127
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.440
and in a movie directed by Sam Raimi, too.
1128
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.030
Right. I was like, we got that.
1129
00:54:30.389 --> 00:54:32.469
We did eventually get them back. And it was good.
1130
00:54:32.530 --> 00:54:34.829
It was fine. But, like, you know, in an actual
1131
00:54:34.929 --> 00:54:39.550
Sam Raimi movie. Like, Spider-Man 4 is one. Okay, I'm
1132
00:54:39.610 --> 00:54:41.389
fascinated by unmade movies, right?
1133
00:54:41.449 --> 00:54:41.690
Sure.
1134
00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.429
And we got to do a whole episode on that.
1135
00:54:44.550 --> 00:54:45.329
Oh, I would love that.
1136
00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:46.010
Yeah.
1137
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.619
Especially there's so many comic book movies that didn't come out.
1138
00:54:50.550 --> 00:54:52.699
There are certain movies that I always say, like, I
1139
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.719
would sacrifice one digit to see. Like, not a thumb, but, like,
1140
00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:59.619
a pinky finger. You know what I mean? Or, like,
1141
00:54:59.659 --> 00:55:03.960
a pinky toe. Like, I would legit give up one
1142
00:55:03.980 --> 00:55:07.429
of those to see Spider-Man 4. There's only a few
1143
00:55:07.489 --> 00:55:09.369
other movies that are on that level. It's, like, Del
1144
00:55:10.429 --> 00:55:15.070
Toro's at the Mountains of Madness, and, like... frigging you
1145
00:55:15.110 --> 00:55:18.460
know like superman lives with nicholas cage like the there's
1146
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.139
only a few that are on that list but spider-man
1147
00:55:20.139 --> 00:55:20.599
4 is.
1148
00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:22.840
Up there okay you know i would.
1149
00:55:23.260 --> 00:55:26.659
What a what a missed opportunity they have by not
1150
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.639
doing spider-man 4 you know.
1151
00:55:28.739 --> 00:55:33.010
And apparently there was an opportunity but um columbia or
1152
00:55:33.050 --> 00:55:37.329
sorry paramount paramount had a deadline of like 2011 if
1153
00:55:37.389 --> 00:55:40.280
you don't if it's not in production and we're not
1154
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.199
doing this and then that's where the amazing spider-man came
1155
00:55:43.219 --> 00:55:45.179
because they rebooted it at that point.
1156
00:55:45.539 --> 00:55:48.210
Yeah which is it's disappointing because that just fizzled out
1157
00:55:48.289 --> 00:55:50.610
too and i like the first amazing spider-man it's fine
1158
00:55:50.710 --> 00:55:52.949
but like that totally fizzled out it's like you should
1159
00:55:52.969 --> 00:55:54.449
have just waited an extra year that would have been
1160
00:55:54.469 --> 00:55:57.619
like if telling christopher nolan that the dark knight rises
1161
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.079
was taking too long so they're gonna reboot it it's
1162
00:56:00.099 --> 00:56:03.300
like what are you doing like anything that i does
1163
00:56:03.340 --> 00:56:04.539
is gold like.
1164
00:56:04.699 --> 00:56:07.260
Was that still in play where they had to make
1165
00:56:07.300 --> 00:56:09.780
a movie? Is it every 10 years that they lost
1166
00:56:09.820 --> 00:56:11.139
the rights or is it every five?
1167
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.260
I don't remember off the top of my head, but
1168
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.329
I mean, given the fact that it was 2007 and
1169
00:56:16.349 --> 00:56:18.730
they were aiming for a 2011 date, they would have
1170
00:56:18.750 --> 00:56:20.369
been well within that window.
1171
00:56:20.550 --> 00:56:20.809
Right.
1172
00:56:21.030 --> 00:56:23.690
Like, you know, so like, it's just, it's just unfortunate
1173
00:56:23.989 --> 00:56:26.730
because I think if they had continued making Raimi Spider-Man movies,
1174
00:56:26.789 --> 00:56:29.250
that franchise would have gone on as long as like
1175
00:56:29.289 --> 00:56:32.170
the original Fox X-Men did, you know?
1176
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.559
They had plans for seven movies.
1177
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:36.780
Yeah, they were going to do like five and six
1178
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:38.340
shot back to back. They were going to do a
1179
00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:40.670
Venom spinoff. They were going to do, you know, like
1180
00:56:41.130 --> 00:56:43.210
all this stuff that would have been really, really cool.
1181
00:56:44.250 --> 00:56:46.210
But as it stands, I think it's a I mean,
1182
00:56:46.469 --> 00:56:49.230
the first two are phenomenal, flawless. I really like the
1183
00:56:49.250 --> 00:56:51.869
third one. It's a fantastic trilogy. I think it sums
1184
00:56:51.929 --> 00:56:56.340
up everything I love about the character. Yeah, I mean,
1185
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.559
Sam Raimi just knocked out of the park three times
1186
00:56:58.579 --> 00:56:59.800
in a row, as far as I'm concerned.
1187
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:01.670
All right, I love it.
1188
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:01.960
Yeah.
1189
00:57:02.219 --> 00:57:05.420
All right, here's your fun fact for Spider-Man 3, that
1190
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:10.000
the screams that Kirsten Dunst did for MJ in the
1191
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.010
third one were all recycled from the first two movies.
1192
00:57:13.070 --> 00:57:16.610
So she didn't do any new screams. She said, forget that.
1193
00:57:16.769 --> 00:57:20.989
I'm saving my vocal cords. Just get it from the backlog.
1194
00:57:21.010 --> 00:57:22.969
That's totally fair.
1195
00:57:24.019 --> 00:57:26.460
If you ever been to an Ikea store, we just
1196
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.010
ran through the whole Ikea store because it's so big.
1197
00:57:29.050 --> 00:57:31.489
There's so much there, but we just, we just ran
1198
00:57:31.550 --> 00:57:35.869
straight to the exit. So, um, overall, Andy, before we
1199
00:57:35.989 --> 00:57:40.829
rank our Spider-Man movies, how would you just summarize these
1200
00:57:40.969 --> 00:57:41.809
three movies?
1201
00:57:42.949 --> 00:57:46.510
I think they're incredibly earnest. I think they are timeless.
1202
00:57:46.989 --> 00:57:48.920
And even in so far as like, there's not a
1203
00:57:48.980 --> 00:57:53.159
lot of like, obviously outdated technology, um, in these movies.
1204
00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:55.199
Like you don't see someone pulling up like a flip
1205
00:57:55.260 --> 00:57:57.489
phone and being like, we got to, you know, or like,
1206
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.329
like hacking on like an old timey computer. Like they're
1207
00:58:00.369 --> 00:58:03.730
very timeless in the way that a lot of great
1208
00:58:03.769 --> 00:58:05.949
movies are where they don't call attention to the time
1209
00:58:05.989 --> 00:58:06.750
period they're in.
1210
00:58:07.050 --> 00:58:10.630
Even though floppy disks, there's no floppy disks.
1211
00:58:10.650 --> 00:58:14.349
Yeah. It's a unit system or whatever from Jurassic Park.
1212
00:58:14.550 --> 00:58:14.690
Yeah.
1213
00:58:15.010 --> 00:58:16.829
They don't call attention to the time they were made in.
1214
00:58:16.889 --> 00:58:19.090
I think they genuinely are timeless. I think they're some
1215
00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:21.809
of the best blockbusters as someone that was five when
1216
00:58:21.849 --> 00:58:25.489
it started and 10, when it ended are my whole
1217
00:58:25.530 --> 00:58:27.989
life revolved around these movies and the video games that
1218
00:58:28.010 --> 00:58:30.840
were made about them and the, you know, action figures
1219
00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:33.980
and all the tie-ins that like, it was a pretty
1220
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:38.300
great decade for Spider-Man and, you know, Raimi set up
1221
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:43.309
so much that people are still benefiting from as far
1222
00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:46.789
as like the, the tone and the, um, i guess
1223
00:58:46.949 --> 00:58:49.090
for lack of better term like infrastructure that he was
1224
00:58:49.150 --> 00:58:52.110
able to create for these three movies uh sam ramey
1225
00:58:52.670 --> 00:58:54.219
i know i told you this in person i know
1226
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:55.880
i wrote you a letter but if you're listening to
1227
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:57.219
this how do you also.
1228
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.980
We'd want you back on for retro but well i.
1229
00:58:59.960 --> 00:59:02.739
Gotta be there max if that happens you have to
1230
00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:06.289
have me on there don't get your hopes up yeah.
1231
00:59:07.949 --> 00:59:09.650
You probably have a better shot than i do on
1232
00:59:09.690 --> 00:59:11.070
on your podcast.
1233
00:59:10.610 --> 00:59:14.070
Dude yeah well we'll see you never know.
1234
00:59:14.070 --> 00:59:18.469
You never know okay well for for me it's funny
1235
00:59:18.489 --> 00:59:21.239
because i never really thought about this but each release
1236
00:59:21.699 --> 00:59:24.760
of this movie really depicted where i was in life
1237
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:29.059
i was 12 years old when the I was super
1238
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:32.469
stoked about it. It was so awesome. Second movie, I
1239
00:59:32.530 --> 00:59:34.809
was 14. I was starting to get into different things.
1240
00:59:35.050 --> 00:59:39.090
Even the fact that a superhero movie seemed a little
1241
00:59:39.369 --> 00:59:42.210
juvenile a little bit. And then by 17, I didn't
1242
00:59:42.489 --> 00:59:44.510
even watch it in theaters because I was like, I
1243
00:59:44.550 --> 00:59:47.570
don't want my childhood to be ruined. That's how I
1244
00:59:47.590 --> 00:59:47.980
viewed it.
1245
00:59:48.150 --> 00:59:52.110
You were out dancing on the streets with your hair
1246
00:59:52.130 --> 00:59:52.449
pulled down.
1247
00:59:52.570 --> 00:59:55.880
Yes, I was the emo. I was actually dressed emo
1248
00:59:56.019 --> 01:00:02.199
and listening to Dashboard And listening to– I wasn't listening
1249
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:05.179
to My Chemical Romance. By 2007, I was listening to, like,
1250
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.300
Bring Me the Horizon. I was starting to listen to Hardcore.
1251
01:00:08.340 --> 01:00:09.920
I was starting to listen to, like, Haste of Day
1252
01:00:09.980 --> 01:00:13.300
and things like that. But anyways, so it's funny because
1253
01:00:13.340 --> 01:00:16.030
I never made that connection with this trilogy. It really depicted.
1254
01:00:16.070 --> 01:00:20.869
But now looking at it, they're fun. Like, they are
1255
01:00:20.929 --> 01:00:25.920
definitely important to the Marvel– like you said, these were blockbusters.
1256
01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:29.320
These were huge. They were, everybody talked about these. And
1257
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:34.980
I would say that Spider-Man memes are probably the most
1258
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:39.070
shared memes out there. Like, I don't know what other
1259
01:00:39.150 --> 01:00:42.789
property IP has so many memes from their movies.
1260
01:00:43.130 --> 01:00:46.730
It's like Spider-Man and SpongeBob. Those are the two most
1261
01:00:46.969 --> 01:00:49.750
shared memes. And then, you know, at a third, like
1262
01:00:49.789 --> 01:00:53.800
the Star Wars prequels, you know, like, yeah but um
1263
01:00:54.219 --> 01:00:56.579
no you're right like they're just a major cultural touchstone
1264
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.059
and they still i think have yet to be surpassed
1265
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.679
uh certainly as far as spider-man movies go.
1266
01:01:01.699 --> 01:01:04.199
Oh yeah all right yeah well i i appreciate it
1267
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.980
you know the first two movies had banger songs that
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01:01:08.139 --> 01:01:11.059
were released we were listening on the radio um the
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01:01:11.099 --> 01:01:14.010
third one come on i i wanted another like good
1270
01:01:14.429 --> 01:01:17.090
you know we could have had another emo song depressing
1271
01:01:17.170 --> 01:01:21.400
but We didn't even mention freaking Danny Elfman with the music.
1272
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.099
Oh, such a great, yeah.
1273
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.579
It's so good. It's so good. So the whole trilogy
1274
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:25.980
is good.
1275
01:01:26.539 --> 01:01:27.659
We got to do a commentary.
1276
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:27.920
Yes.
1277
01:01:27.940 --> 01:01:29.119
We got to do a commentary track.
1278
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.579
We're just doing an old, because everyone's talking about Spider-Man
1279
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:34.760
right now, so we just wanted to throw this out there.
1280
01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:36.079
Yeah, of course.
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01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.840
Yeah, all right. So let's take a break, and when
1282
01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:41.460
we come back, we'll quickly run through our rankings.
1283
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:42.719
Sounds good.
1284
01:01:45.829 --> 01:01:49.340
All right, we're back here on Radio Retro. So we're
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01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.519
going to rank the Spider-Man movies. So we're going to
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01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:56.980
do the live action. So there's nine, if you don't
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01:01:57.059 --> 01:02:00.389
count the, you know, I don't know. Are we counting
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01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.869
all the cinematic?
1289
01:02:03.710 --> 01:02:06.809
Oh, my friend, I'm counting everything. Are you really?
1290
01:02:06.829 --> 01:02:10.050
Because I just did just the Spider-Man. So you did
1291
01:02:10.090 --> 01:02:10.369
it all.
1292
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:12.719
I included the spinoffs, too.
1293
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.980
Like, what are we talking spinoffs? Like, are we talking about.
1294
01:02:16.659 --> 01:02:19.300
Morbius, Kraven the Hunter, Madam Web. I put it all
1295
01:02:19.340 --> 01:02:20.059
in there. Oh, God.
1296
01:02:20.539 --> 01:02:23.739
Okay. Well, this is interesting. Okay, so how should we
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01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.760
do this? Should we just go through the list? Or
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01:02:25.820 --> 01:02:29.780
should we... Like, your list, my list. Should we do numbers?
1299
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:34.219
Because it's going to be a little different. So, let's do... Okay,
1300
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.090
because I did to nine. So, let's do your... How
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01:02:37.110 --> 01:02:37.699
many is there? Like.
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01:02:38.389 --> 01:02:38.869
Seventeen.
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01:02:38.929 --> 01:02:41.690
Seventeen? So do your 17 to 9 right now.
1304
01:02:42.710 --> 01:02:48.869
Okay. Wait, like 1 through 17? So starting from the bottom.
1305
01:02:49.670 --> 01:02:50.429
Up to 9.
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01:02:50.429 --> 01:02:51.349
To 9, yeah.
1307
01:02:51.510 --> 01:02:55.949
Okay, so at the very bottom, Venom the Last Dance. Oh,
1308
01:02:56.050 --> 01:03:00.719
so bad. I did not care for it. Again, that's
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01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:05.860
a whole other episode. Number 16, Adam Webb. Didn't see that.
1310
01:03:06.550 --> 01:03:09.769
yeah not missing anything uh number 15 craven the hunter
1311
01:03:09.789 --> 01:03:13.210
didn't see the number 14 morbius i find it funny
1312
01:03:13.250 --> 01:03:15.750
that like the bottom four are like all the spinoffs
1313
01:03:15.769 --> 01:03:20.179
yeah because they're terrible number 13 is spider-man far from
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01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:26.139
home i think that one is very um hollow i
1315
01:03:26.179 --> 01:03:28.619
don't want to be too mean but like i don't
1316
01:03:28.659 --> 01:03:30.800
think there's really anything to really chew on in that
1317
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.849
movie I think it very much is too light, just like, oh,
1318
01:03:34.869 --> 01:03:36.050
we're just going to go have fun. It's like a
1319
01:03:36.070 --> 01:03:42.260
Disney Channel movie in not a particularly complimentary way. Then
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01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.760
number 12 is Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, which I think
1321
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:47.760
has elements of greatness in it, but I think is
1322
01:03:47.780 --> 01:03:51.010
a very flawed, broken kind of movie.
1323
01:03:51.690 --> 01:03:54.429
I'm surprised. I'm not going to judge you, but I'm
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01:03:54.469 --> 01:03:55.539
just going to go with it.
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01:03:56.389 --> 01:03:59.329
Then number 11 is Venom, Let There Be Carnage, which
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01:03:59.369 --> 01:03:59.820
I think is.
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01:04:01.510 --> 01:04:04.050
That one I had fun with because it's so silly.
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01:04:04.110 --> 01:04:06.119
I think the first two Venoms are really, really fun.
1329
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.039
Then number 10 is The Amazing Spider-Man 2, which I
1330
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.139
know everyone views that as like the bottom of this
1331
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:14.679
entire franchise. But like I'm saying this in a way
1332
01:04:14.699 --> 01:04:16.880
where I've learned to appreciate a lot of elements of it.
1333
01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:19.099
Then we get to number nine and I put Spider-Man
1334
01:04:19.139 --> 01:04:20.920
brand new day. And then after that.
1335
01:04:21.460 --> 01:04:23.320
Okay. So you did brand new day. Okay.
1336
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:24.000
Wow.
1337
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:26.800
Okay. I'm not judging. We're very different.
1338
01:04:26.900 --> 01:04:27.159
Okay.
1339
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:30.710
So call me cliche, but at nine, I have amazing
1340
01:04:30.750 --> 01:04:34.909
Spider-Man too. I will say what I really appreciate about
1341
01:04:34.929 --> 01:04:40.469
the Andrew Garfield amazing Spider-Man's is how just the quick
1342
01:04:40.789 --> 01:04:45.230
quips that he does while fighting is That is Spider-Man.
1343
01:04:45.309 --> 01:04:49.429
Spider-Man talks trash when they freaking fight. He's throwing insults
1344
01:04:49.750 --> 01:04:52.750
because it's something that Peter can't do in real life.
1345
01:04:52.869 --> 01:04:56.829
So I love that. Plus, I will always appreciate, to me,
1346
01:04:57.289 --> 01:05:01.190
I think one of the greatest scenes is when Gwen
1347
01:05:01.230 --> 01:05:05.530
dies because that hand when it was the web. Awesome.
1348
01:05:05.769 --> 01:05:08.590
All right. So that's my number nine. What's your number eight?
1349
01:05:09.789 --> 01:05:12.130
Number eight is Spider-Man No Way Home.
1350
01:05:12.820 --> 01:05:15.219
Okay. This is really different. Okay.
1351
01:05:15.539 --> 01:05:15.900
Okay.
1352
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.099
All right. So you want me, do you want to
1353
01:05:18.139 --> 01:05:19.320
say why or just.
1354
01:05:19.820 --> 01:05:20.920
Um, I think it's fine.
1355
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:21.340
Okay.
1356
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:25.519
I think all the rainy and, uh, Mark Webb stuff is, um, very,
1357
01:05:25.539 --> 01:05:28.659
very satisfying. Um, unfortunately I think it is kind of
1358
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.300
saddled down with like, again, a lot of what I
1359
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.599
didn't like about Holland's second movie, um, far from home, um,
1360
01:05:35.739 --> 01:05:38.400
I think is still present in no way home. I
1361
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:41.400
think those movies just really, at least the first three
1362
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:44.949
Holland movies, um, No, that's not fair. I really like homecoming,
1363
01:05:45.050 --> 01:05:47.960
but far from home and no way home. They really,
1364
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.880
really lean too far into like the cutesy, like he
1365
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.400
doesn't know what he's doing and he's just silly and
1366
01:05:54.460 --> 01:05:57.880
he has to earn being Spider-Man. And it's like, after
1367
01:05:57.900 --> 01:05:59.980
a while, it just, again, it's like, it's very Disney channel.
1368
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:00.860
You know what I mean?
1369
01:06:00.940 --> 01:06:03.239
And it's just kind of, it just doesn't really connect
1370
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.039
with me. Sure. But I think as far as the
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01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.139
promise that they delivered on, which is seeing all three
1372
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.500
Spider-Man team up, that stuff's great.
1373
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:11.119
Yeah.
1374
01:06:11.139 --> 01:06:13.530
Like that stuff's really, really entertaining. Do you want me
1375
01:06:13.550 --> 01:06:14.789
to keep going or.
1376
01:06:14.530 --> 01:06:18.170
I'll do mine. So my number eight is Spider-Man three.
1377
01:06:18.849 --> 01:06:22.230
So, okay. Well, that's fair. I mean, my number seven
1378
01:06:22.349 --> 01:06:26.199
is Spider-Man homecoming, which I think is a decent movie
1379
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:28.760
that I don't think has aged as well as it
1380
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.159
potentially could have. But I think we got to really
1381
01:06:32.179 --> 01:06:34.380
remember the novelty of it when it came out and
1382
01:06:34.420 --> 01:06:38.039
how fresh it did feel again, those just those like
1383
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.889
interactions between him and his friends are just really, really,
1384
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.679
difficult to sort of sit through. You know what I mean?
1385
01:06:44.739 --> 01:06:47.960
Like it doesn't, it doesn't have the sort of sincerity
1386
01:06:48.139 --> 01:06:51.559
of like the raid me movies, you know? Yeah. Homecoming
1387
01:06:51.579 --> 01:06:54.030
is really fun. It's very much just like a, a
1388
01:06:54.349 --> 01:06:57.389
two or three issue Spider-Man arc from the comics. It's not,
1389
01:06:57.429 --> 01:06:59.789
you know, the world isn't ending or anything, which is
1390
01:06:59.829 --> 01:07:01.889
exactly what people wanted at that point. You know, they
1391
01:07:01.929 --> 01:07:03.690
didn't need Spider-Man fighting.
1392
01:07:04.449 --> 01:07:07.139
No, because we were in the middle of the Avengers
1393
01:07:07.179 --> 01:07:07.539
by then.
1394
01:07:08.260 --> 01:07:08.500
Yes.
1395
01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:09.059
Yeah.
1396
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.179
So I think there's some really good stuff in there.
1397
01:07:11.630 --> 01:07:15.030
It's just I wish it had more personality of its own.
1398
01:07:15.550 --> 01:07:18.610
But that's a complaint about a lot of Marvel movies.
1399
01:07:18.630 --> 01:07:20.150
So that's not something you can lay at the feet
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01:07:20.170 --> 01:07:22.869
of just that trilogy.
1401
01:07:22.949 --> 01:07:27.539
For me, were we on seven? For me, it would
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01:07:27.619 --> 01:07:31.320
be Far From Home. Yeah.
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01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:32.639
It's just very forgettable.
1404
01:07:33.860 --> 01:07:35.579
Mysterio's cool, I guess.
1405
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:36.260
Jake Gyllenhaal.
1406
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:39.599
You know, what does he say? Send the droids or whatever,
1407
01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:43.889
or the drones, right? Fire the drones now, right? Like that's,
1408
01:07:43.929 --> 01:07:48.809
that's good. Yeah. Um, but yeah, pretty much out of
1409
01:07:49.050 --> 01:07:51.550
all of the Tom Holland movies, that one's the weakest.
1410
01:07:52.070 --> 01:07:53.769
All right. What'd you have for, uh, what is that?
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01:07:53.789 --> 01:07:55.230
Number six? Yep.
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01:07:55.489 --> 01:07:58.309
Uh, the first venom, which I think is incredibly entertaining.
1413
01:07:58.670 --> 01:08:01.280
It's dumb as hell. I'm not going to defend it
1414
01:08:01.340 --> 01:08:03.760
as like an amazing movie, but I think it's an
1415
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.630
incredibly entertaining movie. I talk about it the way a
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01:08:06.670 --> 01:08:08.590
lot of people talk about like Fast and the Furious,
1417
01:08:09.010 --> 01:08:11.329
where it's like, just turn your brain off and enjoy it.
1418
01:08:11.449 --> 01:08:14.469
It's Tom Hardy being a complete goofball for two hours.
1419
01:08:15.349 --> 01:08:17.069
It's just, you know, this is ranked in the level
1420
01:08:17.109 --> 01:08:19.829
of like what I would want to rewatch as well. Sure.
1421
01:08:19.850 --> 01:08:20.090
You know?
1422
01:08:20.229 --> 01:08:20.430
Yeah.
1423
01:08:20.750 --> 01:08:22.170
Like, I don't know if I could say that Venom
1424
01:08:22.210 --> 01:08:25.109
is a better movie than Homecoming, but I would probably
1425
01:08:25.189 --> 01:08:27.239
rather rewatch it than Homecoming.
1426
01:08:27.260 --> 01:08:27.899
That's your list.
1427
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:28.420
That's just me.
1428
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:29.579
Yeah, that's your list.
1429
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:30.000
That's just me.
1430
01:08:31.060 --> 01:08:38.939
For me, it's Amazing Spider-Man. Again, when I watched it,
1431
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:41.699
I was like, and this is on the heels of
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01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:45.010
number three, and I already said where I was with
1433
01:08:45.050 --> 01:08:48.090
that movie. So I was like, oh, this is refreshing.
1434
01:08:48.390 --> 01:08:51.770
The action sequences, like I said before, I still feel
1435
01:08:51.789 --> 01:08:55.210
like that's the closest Spider-Man we actually have from the
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01:08:55.250 --> 01:09:01.500
comics because of just how slick the fighting sequences is
1437
01:09:01.539 --> 01:09:03.050
and how cool he is in it.
1438
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.739
I like the look of the suit in that. I actually,
1439
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:10.079
you know, a hot take, like obviously the suit in
1440
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.979
Amazing Spider-Man 2 is fantastic. I wish they had kept
1441
01:09:13.020 --> 01:09:14.979
the suit and the tone from the first one though.
1442
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.640
I think it would have, I think the movie would
1443
01:09:16.659 --> 01:09:18.159
have done better. It would have felt more like an
1444
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:18.739
actual sequel.
1445
01:09:18.779 --> 01:09:18.899
Yeah.
1446
01:09:19.380 --> 01:09:21.460
Cause that amazing Spider-Man two feels like a soft reboot.
1447
01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:22.119
Oh, for sure.
1448
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:24.859
But yeah, no, I liked the amazing Spider-Man. That one
1449
01:09:24.890 --> 01:09:25.729
is my number five.
1450
01:09:25.890 --> 01:09:26.109
Okay.
1451
01:09:26.130 --> 01:09:27.010
Just so everyone knows.
1452
01:09:27.069 --> 01:09:27.609
Okay. Yeah.
1453
01:09:27.670 --> 01:09:30.090
That one's my number five. I think it's aged particularly
1454
01:09:30.130 --> 01:09:33.029
well because it just feels like a fun little alternate.
1455
01:09:33.649 --> 01:09:33.810
Yeah.
1456
01:09:33.850 --> 01:09:37.300
Take like a little alternate small scale story. Yeah.
1457
01:09:37.310 --> 01:09:42.659
You know? So next one for me is homecoming. I
1458
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:47.949
thought the vulture was great. Michael Keaton. Yep. Amazing. You know,
1459
01:09:48.090 --> 01:09:51.729
I mean, we just associate him as Batman, but the
1460
01:09:51.750 --> 01:09:54.050
fact that he played a villain, it was good. It
1461
01:09:54.069 --> 01:09:58.590
was a good like cleansing, you know, of and the
1462
01:09:58.630 --> 01:10:01.350
fact that he was in the MCU and it wasn't
1463
01:10:01.390 --> 01:10:03.489
just in a cameo role. I loved it.
1464
01:10:04.340 --> 01:10:04.520
Yeah.
1465
01:10:04.819 --> 01:10:04.899
No.
1466
01:10:04.939 --> 01:10:06.899
And it's a it's a decent villain, too. It's a
1467
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:10.180
it's a vulture is interesting. Are we going to go
1468
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:11.260
to number four for me?
1469
01:10:11.300 --> 01:10:12.880
Yeah. Go go for your next one.
1470
01:10:13.300 --> 01:10:16.060
So that's Into the Spider-Verse. And again, you got to remember,
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01:10:16.100 --> 01:10:19.579
these are in my personal list of what I would
1472
01:10:19.619 --> 01:10:22.590
want to rewatch. Because I'll just shotgun it because I'll
1473
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:24.369
spoil it for everybody. Because the top three are the
1474
01:10:24.409 --> 01:10:30.510
Raimi trilogy. And it goes three, one, two. So I
1475
01:10:30.550 --> 01:10:33.590
put Spider-Man 3 above Into the Spider-Verse. That does not
1476
01:10:33.670 --> 01:10:36.789
mean I would ever try and argue it as a better,
1477
01:10:36.890 --> 01:10:39.699
more coherent movie than Into the Spider-Verse. But that just
1478
01:10:39.739 --> 01:10:41.819
means I love the Raimi movies so much. I would
1479
01:10:41.899 --> 01:10:44.220
always pick all three of them over anything else. But
1480
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.920
Into the Spider-Verse is perfect. I think it is the
1481
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:51.159
only other cinematic Spider-Man that has even come close to
1482
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:56.390
fully defining that character the way that Raimi did. I
1483
01:10:56.409 --> 01:10:59.130
think it is of a quality that is equivalent to Raimi.
1484
01:11:00.390 --> 01:11:02.409
I think it's perfect. I wouldn't change a frame. I
1485
01:11:03.270 --> 01:11:05.369
love Into the Spider-Verse. It's fantastic.
1486
01:11:05.869 --> 01:11:06.550
It's just not Raimi.
1487
01:11:07.409 --> 01:11:08.189
Well, no.
1488
01:11:08.250 --> 01:11:08.430
Yeah.
1489
01:11:08.449 --> 01:11:10.710
But I mean, but that's, you gotta remember like Spider-Man
1490
01:11:10.750 --> 01:11:13.800
three is like connected because of my love of rain.
1491
01:11:13.949 --> 01:11:14.489
Sure. Yeah.
1492
01:11:14.859 --> 01:11:16.840
There'd been like a, cause you know, like when I
1493
01:11:16.939 --> 01:11:19.960
rank my Superman movies, I don't rank all four Christopher
1494
01:11:19.979 --> 01:11:22.659
Reeve movies above everything else, just cause it's Christopher Reeve.
1495
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.399
But I don't think the drop off in quality between
1496
01:11:25.500 --> 01:11:28.100
two and three of Spider-Man is the same as the
1497
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.819
drop off in quality between the first two Supermans and
1498
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:31.619
the last two.
1499
01:11:31.939 --> 01:11:32.119
Right.
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01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:35.180
Does that make sense? So like, again, Spider-Man three is fine.
1501
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.699
I really, really love it. Um, I am not putting
1502
01:11:38.739 --> 01:11:42.060
it above Into the Spider-Verse in an objective way. This
1503
01:11:42.100 --> 01:11:42.720
is what I like.
1504
01:11:43.180 --> 01:11:43.399
Yeah.
1505
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:44.199
Sorry, everybody.
1506
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:49.090
No, it's your list. So I counted. I still have six.
1507
01:11:49.149 --> 01:11:50.909
So let me do two in a row. So for
1508
01:11:50.949 --> 01:11:54.770
my number six is the newest one, Brand New Day.
1509
01:11:55.350 --> 01:11:58.220
I saw it this past weekend. Dude, I really like
1510
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.439
this movie. And it's funny because I was talking to
1511
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.109
some coworkers and And they're like, yeah, it was just whatever.
1512
01:12:03.130 --> 01:12:06.739
I was like, no. There's so many great themes that
1513
01:12:06.859 --> 01:12:13.920
are happening here. The fact of loss. And spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.
1514
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:19.399
They're contrasting how loss happens. You have Jean Grey who
1515
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:23.250
lost her sister. And then you have, I was going
1516
01:12:23.270 --> 01:12:25.930
to say Tom Holland. You have Peter who lost Aunt May.
1517
01:12:26.390 --> 01:12:29.979
What's the difference? And his friends, right? So, like, Peter
1518
01:12:30.020 --> 01:12:33.010
still has somewhat hope. He's trying to do good. Jean
1519
01:12:33.029 --> 01:12:36.329
Grey just wants destruction. Right. And just wants to wreak
1520
01:12:36.390 --> 01:12:39.229
havoc and revenge. I love that theme, and I loved
1521
01:12:39.270 --> 01:12:42.750
how Peter, although he was hurting, had to help Jean
1522
01:12:42.770 --> 01:12:45.560
Grey heal and be like, you know what? I get it.
1523
01:12:45.729 --> 01:12:48.810
There's loss, but this isn't the only way. So, actually,
1524
01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:51.520
you know, I only saw it once, so there's probably
1525
01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:55.380
some new biases in there, but I really, really like
1526
01:12:55.420 --> 01:12:56.920
this movie. Right.
1527
01:12:57.340 --> 01:12:59.600
No, I'm glad. I enjoyed it too. And if I
1528
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:01.939
rewatched it, it'll probably change in the ranking, but this
1529
01:13:01.979 --> 01:13:04.340
is just as it stands for me right now.
1530
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.800
And then my number five is Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse.
1531
01:13:08.819 --> 01:13:11.199
So I will say I've only seen it once, but
1532
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:15.250
I remember really, really liking it in theater. But the
1533
01:13:15.289 --> 01:13:18.409
reason why it isn't higher is because I, just like
1534
01:13:18.449 --> 01:13:20.729
a lot of people, felt like the ending was just,
1535
01:13:21.470 --> 01:13:24.350
it was a cliffhanger and now we're waiting way too long.
1536
01:13:24.590 --> 01:13:26.750
It like kept on getting pushed back and I'm like,
1537
01:13:27.140 --> 01:13:29.100
ah you do an ending like that and i have
1538
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.920
to wait five to six years that's crazy i.
1539
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:34.619
Mean maybe maybe your ranking will change when beyond the
1540
01:13:34.659 --> 01:13:39.239
spider-verse comes out in 2032 or 2033 or 2034 maybe
1541
01:13:39.260 --> 01:13:41.850
you know whenever they decide to get around to putting
1542
01:13:41.859 --> 01:13:44.649
that out but yeah no it's across the spider-verse has
1543
01:13:44.670 --> 01:13:46.149
a lot of good stuff to it i think it's
1544
01:13:46.170 --> 01:13:52.279
just a very inconsistent and sort of like choppy movie,
1545
01:13:52.579 --> 01:13:54.800
you know, and it's very unmemorable. There's a lot of
1546
01:13:54.819 --> 01:13:56.800
stuff I just do not remember from that movie.
1547
01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:58.680
I just remember the spots are spots.
1548
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.180
Great spot was pretty cool.
1549
01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:02.560
Yep. Yeah. What was your next one? Oh, you already
1550
01:14:02.579 --> 01:14:04.000
said it, but yeah, no.
1551
01:14:04.060 --> 01:14:06.619
It's yeah. For me, after the, after into the spider verse,
1552
01:14:06.689 --> 01:14:10.449
it just goes Spider-Man three, Spider-Man one, Spider-Man two. Okay.
1553
01:14:10.869 --> 01:14:12.810
So, and we talked about why you love those. So
1554
01:14:12.930 --> 01:14:16.510
I'll go through my list. So after across the spider verse,
1555
01:14:16.909 --> 01:14:20.770
we have Spider-Man two as my number four. Um, mention
1556
01:14:20.789 --> 01:14:23.949
why I like it. Number three is No Way Home. Dude,
1557
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.600
this movie was... And I'm a nostalgia guy, as we know.
1558
01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:31.779
The fact that I saw all three Spider-Mans on the
1559
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:35.119
screen and it wasn't like an SNL skit or anything,
1560
01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:40.359
I loved it. I was so giddy watching it. I
1561
01:14:40.619 --> 01:14:43.920
watched it with like eight friends. We all watched it
1562
01:14:44.020 --> 01:14:48.100
at Universal. And I was just like, oh my gosh.
1563
01:14:48.500 --> 01:14:49.420
It's so.
1564
01:14:50.779 --> 01:14:53.140
heartfelt and that's what i like about it i love
1565
01:14:53.180 --> 01:14:57.100
these movies because no matter who's directing it i'll talk
1566
01:14:57.140 --> 01:15:01.289
about the spider-man movies specifically they have heart because yeah
1567
01:15:01.729 --> 01:15:04.789
behind it peter parker you want to root for him
1568
01:15:05.310 --> 01:15:09.630
yep number two spider-man one um it's nostalgic for me
1569
01:15:09.789 --> 01:15:12.289
it's it's what started it all for me and then
1570
01:15:12.390 --> 01:15:15.380
the first one into the spider-verse dude okay so when
1571
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:20.399
i was talking earlier about me getting into comics they
1572
01:15:20.409 --> 01:15:23.060
had the spider verse they had the comics of this
1573
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.739
yeah and it's a little different i i kind of
1574
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:28.479
wish well i knew they couldn't do it but with
1575
01:15:28.500 --> 01:15:31.359
like the the spider vampires that would go from universe
1576
01:15:31.539 --> 01:15:35.090
sucking the life forces out of every spider-man did you
1577
01:15:35.100 --> 01:15:35.600
read that one.
1578
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:38.479
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Spider-Man. Yeah. No, that was right
1579
01:15:38.779 --> 01:15:41.079
when Dan Slott was writing it and everything. So, yeah,
1580
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:43.020
it's all about that when it was coming out.
1581
01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:46.119
Exactly. And it was the introduction of Gwen Stacy and
1582
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:51.069
all this stuff. Spider-Gwen. Sorry, not Gwen Stacy. Spider-Gwen. And
1583
01:15:51.289 --> 01:15:56.970
for me to be like, it's full circle. So in 2012,
1584
01:15:56.970 --> 01:15:59.210
when I was like, who's Thanos, right? Who's that guy?
1585
01:15:59.859 --> 01:16:02.640
Now I'm watching Into the Spider-Verse and be like, oh
1586
01:16:02.659 --> 01:16:05.119
my gosh, I can't believe they did that. That was
1587
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:06.840
in the comic. That was in the comic. It was
1588
01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:09.699
like a full circle for me. And I love the
1589
01:16:09.789 --> 01:16:13.189
style of it. I love just how funny it was,
1590
01:16:13.289 --> 01:16:16.369
how new it was, how different. The soundtrack was incredible.
1591
01:16:16.810 --> 01:16:19.590
When I think of Spider-Man, and it's not even Peter Parker,
1592
01:16:19.630 --> 01:16:23.289
it's Miles Morales. And I didn't really read a whole
1593
01:16:23.310 --> 01:16:25.069
bunch of Miles Morales, but when I think of a
1594
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:29.010
Spider-Man movie and a perfect movie, I think of into
1595
01:16:29.029 --> 01:16:30.569
the spider verse. That's just me.
1596
01:16:30.630 --> 01:16:33.329
Yeah, that's totally fair, man. And it's right up there.
1597
01:16:33.510 --> 01:16:38.210
It's a, it is absolutely captures what that character is.
1598
01:16:38.510 --> 01:16:41.500
You know, I will probably have to do again in
1599
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:43.579
like 10 years when beyond the spider verse comes out,
1600
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:47.500
we'll have to do a ready to run into the
1601
01:16:47.539 --> 01:16:50.319
spider verse, but no, dude, that's, that's a very, very,
1602
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:53.319
that's a very, very respectable ranking. And I'm sure that
1603
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.140
our people commenting right now, like you put Spider-Man three over,
1604
01:16:56.220 --> 01:16:59.220
you put the amazing Spider-Man over across the Spider-Verse. It's
1605
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:01.000
just my opinion. It's just what I would want to
1606
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:04.939
rewatch guys. Like that's, you know, it's not, this is.
1607
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.739
Me and you have your own opinion listeners.
1608
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:08.800
Let me live my truth.
1609
01:17:08.859 --> 01:17:14.239
Damn it. All right. Well, Andy, that was the quickest,
1610
01:17:14.539 --> 01:17:19.210
I think summary of a episode about all three Sam
1611
01:17:19.250 --> 01:17:24.949
Raimi movies. We ranked it, and man, I am so
1612
01:17:25.010 --> 01:17:26.989
excited because I think I'm going to go and read
1613
01:17:27.029 --> 01:17:28.090
some Spider-Man right now.
1614
01:17:28.109 --> 01:17:29.250
Oh, yeah, dude.
1615
01:17:29.609 --> 01:17:33.229
For our listeners, you're doing so much. You're involved with
1616
01:17:33.310 --> 01:17:35.789
so many things. What do you want to promote today
1617
01:17:35.890 --> 01:17:36.409
and right now?
1618
01:17:36.930 --> 01:17:40.340
Well, as always, check out Horror Hound Magazine because I
1619
01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:43.760
write and edit for them. Check out Horror Hound Radio,
1620
01:17:43.819 --> 01:17:48.060
which is the podcast that I co-host with Martin. my cohost,
1621
01:17:48.220 --> 01:17:52.189
obviously he and I are gearing up actually tomorrow to
1622
01:17:52.270 --> 01:17:56.369
start production on our second feature film. So if anybody
1623
01:17:56.409 --> 01:17:59.310
wants to follow us at no more talking productions, along
1624
01:17:59.350 --> 01:18:02.369
with our third producer, Nick, we'll be updating on that
1625
01:18:02.449 --> 01:18:04.380
as well as our first feature film, which is getting
1626
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:06.960
closer and closer and closer to finally being out in
1627
01:18:06.979 --> 01:18:09.180
the world. So everybody just can't wait for that.
1628
01:18:09.659 --> 01:18:09.880
Yeah.
1629
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.420
Everybody just stay tuned to that. And yeah, just horror
1630
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.640
hound magazine and horror hound radio. You can buy both
1631
01:18:15.699 --> 01:18:19.789
of my books on Amazon and, you know, I'm sure
1632
01:18:19.829 --> 01:18:21.229
you'll put the link.
1633
01:18:21.250 --> 01:18:22.149
I'll put all the links.
1634
01:18:22.189 --> 01:18:24.369
Yep. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate it. But yeah,
1635
01:18:24.390 --> 01:18:26.449
what we find back home and they fly by night,
1636
01:18:26.850 --> 01:18:32.720
both unconventional ghost and alien abduction stories. And I'm working
1637
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:36.270
on my third book right now that I can't, quite
1638
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:40.090
mention what it is only because I don't actually own
1639
01:18:40.149 --> 01:18:43.350
the property. So it's going to be really, really fun,
1640
01:18:43.369 --> 01:18:45.090
but we'll do a cool episode on it when it
1641
01:18:45.109 --> 01:18:45.590
comes out.
1642
01:18:45.829 --> 01:18:46.409
Absolutely.
1643
01:18:46.539 --> 01:18:48.699
Yeah i'm working on my first licensed property that i
1644
01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:51.010
can't quite talk about it yet because it hasn't been
1645
01:18:51.020 --> 01:18:53.149
announced okay but stay tuned.
1646
01:18:53.390 --> 01:18:57.130
Awesome awesome all right well andy thank you so much
1647
01:18:57.170 --> 01:18:59.800
for being on radio retro we'll have you on You know,
1648
01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:02.520
I realized I think your second book came out while
1649
01:19:02.579 --> 01:19:05.279
I was recuperating from the fire. So we got to
1650
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:07.939
have you come on and talk about that. And then,
1651
01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:12.760
you know, this is an open door. So awesome, dude. So, yeah,
1652
01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:14.199
follow Andy Foreman.
1653
01:19:14.619 --> 01:19:18.510
It's at the underscore super guy. And don't make fun
1654
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:19.810
of me. I made that when I was in high school.
1655
01:19:20.390 --> 01:19:22.310
So at the same time that I was like watching
1656
01:19:22.350 --> 01:19:24.529
the Raimi Spider-Man movies and be like, yeah, that's me.
1657
01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:26.109
Awesome.
1658
01:19:26.130 --> 01:19:26.310
Yeah.
1659
01:19:27.050 --> 01:19:30.539
And I'll say the thing about Andy and I've seen, like,
1660
01:19:30.739 --> 01:19:34.779
I've now been, you know, a part of his life,
1661
01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:37.420
you know, from a distance, I've seen just the development,
1662
01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:40.750
but you have a guy who was really young and
1663
01:19:40.789 --> 01:19:44.149
just hungry and had dreams and you're seeing him fulfill
1664
01:19:44.170 --> 01:19:47.130
those dreams. He, you know, he went out for an internship,
1665
01:19:47.170 --> 01:19:50.399
got the internship, got this amazing job. So like, if
1666
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:53.850
you're like, Hey, who are people who are out there?
1667
01:19:54.229 --> 01:19:57.369
That's not like the big names, not yet. Um, but
1668
01:19:57.949 --> 01:20:00.550
people who are just like really tangible and like are
1669
01:20:00.630 --> 01:20:02.989
doing things that you want to do for a living.
1670
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.039
Talk to Andy. He's doing it, man. And, uh, I
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just come in, you dude, you're doing great. Keep it up.
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And I love seeing the development in these last, what,
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10 years that I've known you just seeing where you're,
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you're at right now and can't wait for your feature films. Yeah.
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and your books and whatever else is to come.
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Well, thank you, man. It's been a hell of a,
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it's been eight years. It's been 18 since we met
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James Rolfe, which we got to get him on the show. Again,
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if you get him on the show, I want to
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be on as a co-interviewer.
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Absolutely.
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I got to be there. But no, it's been a
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hell of a great eight years and I can't wait
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to come back on it again. One thing I will say,
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and this is just, you know, you can take this
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opportunity or not if you're interested. next year is the
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30th anniversary of the spawn movie, which I would love
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to discuss. I can go.
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Yeah.
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Not quite on the level of the rainy movies, but
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I would love to talk about that movie.
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Okay.
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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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Well, again, thank you, Andy, for being here on ready
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to retro, ready to retro listeners. We are officially going
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to once a month, although this episode is actually going
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to be dropping in September. It was supposed to get
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released in August, but you know how things are. So
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starting in September, we have Seth Kearsley, who is the
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director of Eight Crazy Nights, the Adam Sandler animated show.
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He also is the showrunner of Mummies Alive. In October,
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we're going to drop a conversation with Richard Chavez, who
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played Poncho in Predator. That's going to be on YouTube.
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We have a video episode for that. That's going to
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be awesome.
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November.
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It's a secret. And then December, we have Brian Levant
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returning to Ready to Retro. He is the director of
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Jingle All the Way, and we celebrate the 30th anniversary
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of Jingle All the Way. So lots of great things
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happening here on Ready to Retro. Follow us, ReadyToRetro.com. And
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as always, we're Ready to Retro. Andy, you want to
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say it?
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Are you?
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Hell yeah. We'll see you next time. Thank you for
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listening to episode 229 of the Ready to Retro podcast.
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A big thank you goes out to Andy Foreman for
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joining us for this incredible, you might even say amazing,
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Spider-Man episode. Check out everything Andy is doing in the
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links of this podcast description. If you are new here
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on Ready to Retro, you can listen to our whole
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library of episodes that covers a variety of topics about
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the 80s, 90s, and sometimes the 2000s like we did today.
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Visit ReadyToRetro.com, follow us on Instagram or TikTok at ReadyToRetro.
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That's with the number two. Also, don't forget to subscribe
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to our YouTube channel that features exclusive interviews from various
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conventions that we've covered recently. Over the years, the link
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in the description of this video, Ready to Retro is
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the official speaker podcast. Our intro music was created by
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Aaron Carino. Our outro song that you are hearing right
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now was created by MK Khan. Go visit MK Khan's
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amazing retro inspired music wherever you stream music. It is
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absolutely amazing. See you next time for our conversation with
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Seth Kearsley. We'll see you then. Are you ready to retro?
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Because we freaking are. Laters.