Multi-Tool Motorcycles: The Trap of Practical Design

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Hello everyone.
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Welcome to the Ramble Stream Podcast.
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I'm Richard.
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And I'm Jansen.
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Each week we sit down for rambling conversations about motorcycles, the experience of riding, design, and whatever else catches our fancy.
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Bring a beverage of your choice or stories, and we'll see where this takes us.
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If you're interested in thoughtful conversations, friendly and informative banter with fellow riders, and the latest dispatches from Janice Motorcycles headquarters, you're in the right place.
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Let's get started.
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Good evening.
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Hello.
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And welcome back for another Rambo stream.
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This time we're here for episode 133.
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Nice timing there.
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No, we're happy to be back.
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Um, we've got a really good program this evening.
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Great.
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I'm excited about it.
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It's gonna be very open-ended.
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We're already reading the chats.
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You're all wrong.
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That's just so you know.
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Everyone's wrong.
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Everyone's wrong.
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Um even if you're right, you're wrong.
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Uh and there's no room for disagreement.
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No, nothing all, no conversation needs to happen here.
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All right.
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We're glad to see you guys.
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Um, yeah, it's gonna be a great show.
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We kind of changed it up.
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Uh, Richard had an experience of riding uh a few different motorcycles over the weekend.
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Uh, and I don't know, I guess I don't know why I'm speaking for you.
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No, it's good.
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I like it.
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Um and uh thought it was interesting uh that each motorcycle felt very, very differently.
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Um, and it felt as almost as if they had different jobs.
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Um, and then also inspired by another Jay Leno clip, which I wish now that I'm saying it out loud, I would have had ready to play.
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Well, it's okay because it's not really applicable, but it got my brain thinking.
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It's the last line that he says.
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Yeah, it's the last line.
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He's talking about um Ferrari Luce.
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Yeah.
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So which is this if you're not familiar, it kind of made the rounds online of Go EV.
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Uh it was very um polarizing, shall we say?
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But it's Ferrari's new electric, it's hideous, stupid.
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Because it's electric.
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No, just in general.
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Um but anyway, he was talking about it.
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I'm joking.
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I don't have really any thoughts on it all other than it's kind of predictable.
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Um, but Jalina was talking about the Ferrari, and he basically was saying that it's very difficult to be a manufacturer right now because on the one hand, you have tariffs that this week are 25%, and this week they don't exist, and this week they're 50%, and the supply chains are really difficult, and everybody wants everything to do everything.
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Um, so he was talking about like, you know, like you have a minivan that handles like a sports car that can also tow a you know trailer that you know everything has to do everything at once.
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Right.
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And he was just saying, I don't want that.
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A Ferrari is supposed to look good and go fast, and I want a sports car to be a sports car and a station wagon to be a station wagon, and each thing has its purpose and it's good at one thing, right?
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And I thought that was an interesting thought because I obviously there's there's an argument for the opposite, right?
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That you want a thing that is good at everything, something that's well rounded and perfect and can do everything well enough.
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An electric SUV, an electric pickup truck.
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It's wonderful.
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We got a good show for you.
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For those of you who don't know, we'll be being uh we'll be uh guest guests on the Cleveland Moto podcast, which it's kind of cool if we could put post a link up.
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Um, but I don't know if we can do that yet.
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Uh well but anyway, if you go take a look, Cleveland Moto Podcast.
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We're gonna be on there this week.
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Yes.
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You want to get uh a poem first, or do you want to do voicemails?
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Let's do a poem.
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Yeah, let's get a poem.
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Let's start this off right.
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So uh this is a poem that just arrived in my email today.
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Okay.
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Um I thought I had uh had it in my book of Seamus Heaney, but I don't.
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So we're gonna read it off my phone.
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Nice.
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Um but uh it was sent to me because um I mean it definitely deals with rambling.
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And see if you all can uh catch on.
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This is um this is uh Seamus Heaney Postscript is the name of the poem, and it's from 100 poems, his book.
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And sometime make the time to drive out west into County Clare along the flaggy shore in September or October, when the wind and the light are working off each other, so that the ocean on one side is wild with foam and glitter, and inland among stones the surface of a slate gray lake is lit by the earthed lightning of a flock of swans, their feathers roughed and ruffling, white on white, their fully grown headstrong looking heads tucked or cresting or busy underwater.
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Unless to think you'll park and capture it more thoroughly, you are neither here nor there.
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A hurry through which known and strange things pass, as big soft buffetings come at the car sideways and catch the heart off guard and blow it open.
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I like that one.
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Thanks.
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Oh, I love I love a good poem.
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It really kind of centers you, you know.
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Uh we did have a couple voicemails come in.
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We had a couple voicemails come in.
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Uh I'm not sure who the first one is, but the second one is is well we should mention that he left two voicemails.
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Yes.
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And one was about the buckles on our bags.
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And we'll let the email go.
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So we'll we'll play the uh the first one here.
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Okay.
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So I left a message about the buckle that you used.
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The next question I have is how did you come up with design towards or whether I noticed a paddle bank that can come for a couple of different iterations?
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And it's a curiosity.
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So there you go.
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There's a couple.
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Oh, thanks.
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It's a great question.
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The buckles.
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The buckles.
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We'll start with the buckles.
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The buckles on our leather bags started off as um regular buckles.
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Like that you would you know, like a belt buckle.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then if you look at all the 50s, the house hand 50s, they'll have those kinds of buckles.
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And so we'll kind of come back to that when we talk about the bag design.
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But then in 2014, Devin and I, I think just partly out of a kind of a passion project, and partly because we thought it was something we could sell at Janice.
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We started working with the same guy who made our seats and bags, um, an Amishman named Mark, um on a range of like wax canvas and leather bags.
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So a messenger bag, uh backpacks, um tote bags, which is a whole bunch of things.
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You you probably have seen them go on our website.
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We still sell them all uh in a wide variety of colors and options.
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But when we launched those, I I don't know, I had just been thinking about the simplicity of how you could make a buckle that would be that we can make our own hardware instead of buying it.
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And so what we ended up with was using aluminum, laser-cut aluminum, just cheeks.
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And I had seen some designs that I was emulating.
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Uh-huh.
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But the bag, the buckle on the bags has uh two slots.
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So you put the leather through it and back out, and then it has a hook that you attach onto the bag.
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And we just thought it was nice that we could make our own bags and hardware.
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And it's nice and simple too.
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Like it's very, very simple.
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It feels way more usable to just like slide the little hook out than like having to fiddle with two hands and get right.
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Right.
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Now, some people complain about that they're difficult to use.
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Just kind of you have to have to be broken in.
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Right.
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Um, I find them pretty quick to use, yeah, but um, they're adjustable.
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Um, that's the story on the buckles.
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If you look at our bags, you'll see variations on those buckles, especially the backpack has like multi-directional ones.
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It's kind of cool.
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I that those wax canvas bags are so cool.
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It got it's one of those kind of things that makes me excited.
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It scratched an itch.
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Yes.
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Um, but as far as the bag designs, we started looking.
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I mean, I basically had a bag designed for the halcyon model before the bike was built.
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Really?
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Like even the initial sketches of the halcyon show a bag.
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Now, the original bag was actually located where the air box is now.
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Okay.
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Because we didn't have an air, I didn't know we needed an airbox.
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Right.
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Um, we had well, we had a 50 and it had a uh carburetor just without an airbox, it had a little plastic airbox on the 50s.
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Um, but then we put an oil tank there.
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But uh I knew there wouldn't I wanted a bag there based on I've mentioned Falcon motorcycles, they had a really neat bag on their bike and it made me think about it.
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But then I was starting to look at more motorcycle leather goods and I looked at Bruff Superior.
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And Bruff uses the they actually have a metal housing that the bag fits in.
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I've never had a chance to like study one enough in person, but uh they have a really the shape of the bag fits the bike.
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Yeah, it's not just a square bag, right?
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And so when we designed the saddle bags for the halcyon, we wanted the shape to look like it belonged there.
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And so that's where you have that those slant sides that sort of fit the radius of the wheel.
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Um, they at least they speak to it.
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And the first bags were very small on the 50, they were probably enough for like an oil can, but that was it.
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Right.
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Um, and then we went to the 250, we expanded the size, and we've done some variants where they're square and deeper, but they don't look good when they get much bigger.
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Yeah.
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I like when we when you go bigger, like the wax canvas makes more sense.
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Right.
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Um, but uh yeah, that's kind of the brief story behind it.
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And we always wanted a leather bag.
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Yeah.
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Um, I think that just goes with the seat and the having it be able to match, and that's why we go with the leather battery cap, it's so that it all ties together.
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Right.
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Yeah, it I I think it it's it adds to the motorcycle for sure.
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Like uh I think some bags, uh, especially like big metal panniers, uh, can take away from I'm speaking to 68 here, can take away from the overall motorcycle.
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Uh, but those leather bags, man, they just they add to it, especially since it ties into everything and they weather nicely.
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Yeah, they break in.
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Kelly's asking, Richard, how's production going?
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How many, how many a week?
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Uh right now we are cruising.
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We've got uh SWM engines and engine components in, and we are trying to build out all the 450s that have been delayed because of um engine supply chain issues.
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So we are moving and grooving right now.
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Probably the biggest constraint is fenders.
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Yeah.
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Um, so yeah, we're moving.
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Thank you.
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Um, I've got a few comments here from Cut Fiddyc.
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Uh I've got I I got back shortly after my ride, but I also have apes that takes pressure off my shoulders.
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Couldn't do a naked for a good long while.
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And then he follows up with after his crash.
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Uh and then he says, fun fact, high sides.
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When did you crash?
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Was that recently?
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Because sorry to hear that.
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That sucks.
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Jansen, would you prefer an Indian classic with bags or a Honda Night Hawk 750?
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Man, could I say neither?
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Indian classic?
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I don't want an Indian classic.
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The the oh yeah.
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I mean the vintage, the chief vintage would be pretty that's sick.
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I I don't think I want an Indian.
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I don't know.
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Really?
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I mean FTR is the only Indian that I'll ride.
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FTR is pretty cool.
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Indians, all of them are pretty nice.
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I don't know, not all of them, but I've I've ridden the the chief vintage, very nice.
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Uh-huh.
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Um, actually I've ridden quite a few of them, but the FTR definitely it's it's a fun bike.
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It looks so good, too.
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That's that's the great thing.
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Um let's listen to uh let's listen to another another voicemail.
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Speaking of Confed Yank, this is this is him.
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This is him?
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We get to hear him in person.
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Howdy.
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So I have kind of a multi-part question here.
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Is why don't we consider motorcycles as transportation?
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When we evaluate for transportation, we may consider automatic versus manual, which C US distinctively does automatic.
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Why?
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And with that, why do we consider not consider expense of maintenance and fuel account?
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Do consider all of it.
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Have a good one.
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Awesome.
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Oh, there's our reburb.
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Sorry.
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Um, that's a great question.
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Or series of questions.
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I mean, we have we may have to kind of like stumble through it a little bit because we're trying to understand the question.
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This is brought question brought out of the reel we posted on Friday about how I we made a video that like motorcycles are terrible transportation.
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The way that our American eyes view transportation, uh they're not comfortable, can't carry anything, uh, terrible in the rain, hard to ride with two people, like all these things that make transportation in America nice, motorcycles don't have.
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So, like, why do we why do we ride motorcycles still?
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Um, and I I can't remember exactly what Khan Fed Yenk lest left as a comment, but what he was speaking about, uh it's like ties in with that.
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It ties in.
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Yeah, yeah well I mean I think that the the the first thing is the question of why do we not treat motorcycles as transportation?
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I mean, there that we we say that with with sort of uh either our tongue in cheeks or tongue in cheeks, or or just given the way that they're used here in the US.
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Um now you're always gonna get this one person.
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Oh, well, I ride my motorcycle every day to work and it's the only thing I have.
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Oh, great, that's awesome.
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I mean, like seriously, that's amazing.
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I wish I wish I would do that.
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But for the majority of people, it's actually more efficient and practical.
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I always kind of give the joke of like you can get a you know clapped out Altima and it does the job a lot better than a motorcycle.
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The worst vehicle on the road.
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Sorry if I'm insulting anyone.
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But um, but that's what we mean when we say that.
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Now, that doesn't mean that in in in other parts of the world, a motorcycle is by far the most efficient means of getting around um and practical.
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Now, to the point of um manual versus automatic, I think that just ties into the same thing.
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It's like if you look at uh Europe, when I went over to Italy to visit SWM, guess what car I rented?
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There was like the one that they had was a Fiat Panda manual.
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And like left-handed, no, they're not their right-hand drive in in um Italy.
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Um, that would have been interesting in England to get a um, but like yeah, that the there's a different approach, there's a different way of driving.
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Yeah, it's just uh it's a different, and here in the eights, it's like I think we re we overfocus on comfort and ease in, but also it's sort of maybe like the difference between an English saddle and a western saddle and horseback riding.
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Like if you're familiar with riding, uh, English saddle is like a Ducati.
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It's it's much smaller.
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It's like ducati of horseback riding, really.
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And then if you think of like a Western style saddle, it's like the heart, it's like the Harley Davidson.
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It's like more you more than it's got like the pommel on it, it's got the stirrups, you sit down, you kind of like lean in there for the long haul.
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You got like forward controls, you know.
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Whereas, no, seriously, on a on like an English style, your feet are back, it's like rear sets.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And you know, there's a lot more work you do.
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That's a funny comparison, right?
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Right.
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Um, but uh but we do focus more on like comfort and convenience and like you know, like bench seats.
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Right.
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Like you don't you're not gonna get a bench seat in your fiat conda.
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You know, it's like doesn't work doesn't work that way.
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No, but I I I think, yeah, to your point, it this is definitely like uh we we view transportation uh through motorcycling uh just a little differently.
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I think it yes, a motorcycle can transport you, it does the job well, yeah uh for for the most part, uh, but oftentimes it doesn't make sense.
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And that's why we do it.
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Because it's not efficient, right?
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Because it's not like well, maybe a different way of saying it is that like because in much of say the United States, we we do choose motorcycling more at least as a leisure activity, right as opposed to a practical activity.
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For the most part, you know, like obviously there are individual examples of people using it for everything, which is wonderful.
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But since we choose to do so, it it it it helps in some ways to underline the beauty of what a motorcycle does in this sort of uh it offers uh uh uh a sort of escape from the daily churn.
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Right.
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Now, I would say that if you did ride a motorcycle every day, you're gonna probably live a more fulfilling life.
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For sure.
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There's nothing that like we we joke about, you know, like the you know, um Wally chairs flooding around with you know drinks or like glue to their screen.
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That is sort of the the that is a stereotype of it, the US.
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Right.
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And the way that we engage with reality.
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Right.
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Um so if you unplug from that, you're gonna have a more interesting, it may not be easy, but you're gonna have an interesting existence.
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More fun number two for sure.
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As far as the question of efficiency and ease of maintenance, I'm not sure if you're talking about just in general or as it were relates to a manual transmission.
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Yeah.
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Um typically a manual transmission is gonna be um more efficient.
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Uh you're gonna get better gas mileage and potentially lower maintenance.
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I don't know if that's really true, but um, there's a why there's a variety of reasons for that.
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But I think here in the States, it's like AC uh automatic transmission beats that fuel efficiency.
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And if you look at like the even like like the difference between European and American cars, like big, heavy, light, small, uh, they're gonna be more efficient or more worried about that.
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And the price of fuel is higher.
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So yeah, yeah.
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And there's so many different ramifications too that uh because we are such a a car-dependent uh culture here in America that affects how our cities are laid out and uh things become less walkable, and like there's there's so many layers to it.
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Um but it it is an interesting thought uh uh exercise to kind of go.
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Uh Arlsberg says Americans have always had an aspirational bent where the only reason you could would opt out of convenience is because you can afford it.
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And that there's some truth to that.
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It's definitely more of a consumer culture than than um than not.
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Yeah.
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Uh sedan bodied cars are now a dying breed, and even they're more convenient than two wheels.
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I was just thinking about that, about like how sedans well like Ford doesn't make sedans, they make the Mustang, and that's a cool.
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That's not a sedan, yeah.
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Like the sedan is a kind of like interesting thing.
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That's what used to be most cars.
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Now it's like crossovers.
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Again, kind of getting into this this category of trying to do more stuff, everything that you could never possibly want.
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Um, the only reason I ride a motorcycle is for fun, says Kelly.
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Can't can't can't quibble with the man.
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I've I'm sure you have a lot of fun.
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I have no doubt.
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I wish I uh when I when I had my motorcycle, there were times I'm regretting now uh when I would wake up and be like, I don't want to ride into work today.
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I should have written into work, man.
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I should have written it to work.
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Uh let's move on here.
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Uh, thank you so much for your questions.
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Again, if you guys uh would like to send uh those voicemails 574-501-3830.
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Boom.
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Memory, everybody.
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Man, one day, one day I'll log it in.
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One day I'll log it in.
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That's why you guys tune into the ramble stream anyway for technical difficulties.
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Because that's exactly why you do it.
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The technical difficulty stream.
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The technical difficulty stream is is what it's called.
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Um stream.
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Thanks, buddy Hank.
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Appreciate it.
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Uh yeah, sorry about the no-cyp.
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Nice.
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That's really funny.
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Hey, uh, that is normally our intro to things of this world, and it has a fun little song that's kind of quirky and weird.
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Um it's all Jansen.
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It's all me.
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I will claim it.
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Uh, but what's our thing?
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Our thing is actually really fitting for what we were talking about.
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Okay.
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We talked about bags.
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Okay.
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Well, we did talk about bags.
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Do better the design of the bags.
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Do better.
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And he says, hey, he's coming in.
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I'm so sorry.
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I'm so Oh sorry.
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Whoa, Eddie.
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You know what?
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You're right.
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You're right.
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I should be better.
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No, uh this evening I have can I do like a uh reveal of this?
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Oh yeah.
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So I'm doing it away.
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Uh yeah.
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So this is this is uh Janice saddlebag.
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It looks normal.
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This is the back of it.
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But there's something different.
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Oh, wait, there's tell us if you can spot the difference.
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Whoa! Very cool.
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Um this is a saddlebag with tassels.
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Well, okay, that's the thing segment.
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See you guys later.
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Later.
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What is it?
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What is it though?
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No, this is uh a regular saddlebag and the added tassels to it.
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Um this is going to be part of our 250th anniversary edition.
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So if you buy the 250 anniversary edition, you can get it with tassels.
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And the tassels are not just on the saddlebags.
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There are other places.
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The tassels also come on the seat and the handlebars.
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Heck yeah.
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And the handlebar tassels are not messing around.
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No, they're for real.
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They're for real.
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Um, but yeah, this is uh this is our saddlebag.
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Uh, this is the the standard 250 version um size that we were talking about earlier and see how the sides kind of slant in a little bit.
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Arlesberg has a very good question.
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At what point do you cross the line from fringe into tassel size?
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Is there a specific length?
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Uh I mean a fringe does sort of like it's like kind of like the edge of a rug.
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Uh-huh.
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Maybe if you trip over it, it's a tassel.
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Okay.
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I'm just making up things like that.
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I think tassels there takes a certain length.
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Maybe like this feels very tassel.
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This is tassel y.
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Fringe feels like uh maybe just kind of like a scuffed up edge.
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Maybe.
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Whereas if it was about if it was like two inches long, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But these are tassels.
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Um anyway, we will be featuring more uh of the 250th anniversary bikes as soon as they are done.
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Yes.
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Which needs to happen before the 4th of July because we want to launch it well before then.
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There seems to be a request for a shotgun scabbard.
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A shotgun scabbard.
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Um, well, you know, there's who knows what it comes in.
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There's lots of leather out there that we could make whatever we want, or you could.
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Oh, it seems like uh Mission Road was the first one to uh to suggest that.
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Uh Chris says yikes.
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Is that a positive yikes or a negative yikes?
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Because it it's a positive yikes for me.
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I mean, you don't have you don't have to like tassels.
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I'm not a big tassel guy, but that sure is cool.
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Uh Havert says, more 250 teasers, please.
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Fringe is tactical.
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Tassels are for fun.
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Yeah, tassels are like party in the back.
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Yeah, fringe up fringe, fringe for business up front.
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Fringe tassels in the back.
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It's the mullet.
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It's the mullet of motorcycling.
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Detlift's kind of.
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People with tassels are living beyond the fringe.
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Uh, good one.
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Russell, how you doing?
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Detlift 450 number 86.
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Question: Have you worked on the kickstand bot bending issue on the early bikes?
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Kickstand bending issue.
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Uh maybe on the 450s.
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Uh if he does mean, if you mean on the 450s, um, Russ, yes.
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It's been fixed.
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Yeah.
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It is unfortunately.
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Wait, can it be retrofitted?
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I'd have to double check and see if it can be retrofitted, but but uh it is it has been addressed.
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Yes, cool.
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Uh silver dollars and rhinestones.
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That's we gotta add it all to the all to the list.
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Thank you all so much for your great ideas.
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And turquoise.
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I I suggested turquoise, but that maybe you have to add pay extra for that.
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That's a great thing.
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Uh real real daisy dukes have fringe.
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Man, that I wasn't expecting such a such a response.
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I had tassels on my Vulcan drifter's brake levers, couldn't take them off quick enough.
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Yeah, that's one thing I I maybe I'm just ignorant.
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Uh-huh.
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But that the whips and the tassels on the lever, uh-huh.
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Wouldn't that isn't that like just a massive safety hazard?
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Like what if like it gets caught on like a anything branch or a sign?
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Like if you're going too close to the flip over the handlebars ripped off the road.
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See you later.
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That's what I always think.
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Daisy D.
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Dukes and Crocs do not go together.
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I mean, it says who?
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You can prove us wrong.
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I'm not good.
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I'm not gonna do that.
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Hey, that's for members only.
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If you want to join person, if you could do so by hitting the join button below.
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Has anybody ever rigged a jockey shifter on a halcyon before?
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Not that I'm aware of, but I'm going to.
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On my chopper.
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It's gonna be cool.
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Uh what news we got going on, Richard?
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What what what is well this weekend we have a massive uh it's called it's a call to discovery day, but we're calling it a mini rally because we have uh I think we have a herd of people coming in.
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20, 25.
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Current riders, current owners, and new prospective riders.
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Yeah.
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All coming together on Saturday.
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It's gonna be a blast.
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We also are Friday.
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We're having, I think we're having the police over.
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Yeah, I think a little lunch, you know, a little pam off ahead of time.
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You know, we just gotta get ahead of the get ahead of the yeah, make friends first here.
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Um I just purchased a new Ducati.
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Um I'm picture.
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I have three foot tassels on my bar ends.
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Once in a while, they whip me in the face.
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Nice.
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That's how you know you're alive.
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And Jason says his pan hit is jockey shift.
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That's cool.
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That's really cool.
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Yeah, so we we've got uh a big discovery day coming up.
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Uh this this weekend.
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I believe we can still you get it.
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We want everybody to be here.
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Um, we we'd love to bring your body, bring your motorcycle.
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We provide lunch.
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It's gonna be great.
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I believe it's free for uh existing riders.
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So uh come on out.
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Uh the Ramblers Roundup is happening in September.
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We're really excited for that.
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You guys can get your tickets on our website.
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Uh the George Wyman ride is happening.
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George Wyman ride is happening uh next weekend.
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Is it next weekend?
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When after this, I think.
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I think it's or the one after that.
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I think it's the last weekend of June.
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It's happening, it's on our calendar.
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If you are a Janus owner and you're somewhat close by, please come down and join us.
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This is a historic event.
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It's gonna be a ton of fun.
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We're gonna ride from Janice to the event.
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Um, Tim Masterson from the Iron Bud Association will be there.
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Uh, he is the founder of the George Wyman Memorial Foundation.
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Yeah, we're celebrating the first motorcyclist to cross the country, the first person to cross the country on a motorized vehicle and the kind of originator of long-distance motorcycling in 1903.
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And he rode through Goshen in in uh ligoneer.
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What are the chances?
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It's really neat.
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What are the chances?
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Uh, yeah, we're really excited for that.
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So uh that's what we got going on.
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We're gonna have one mil one more little break.
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One more little break, and oh hopefully this one has sound.
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Let's get to our main topic.
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We've already had some good conversation about it already in the chat.
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:17.119
Um what all right, can a motorcycle in this example have too many jobs?
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.880
I'm asking you the question.
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.480
Is that a theoretical question?
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:34.559
No, I I would like to well that's a that is a that's a question that was kind of spurred on by my weekend kind of riding different motorcycles.
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.000
Well, you gotta tell them about the wallet.
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.119
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.799
So this is a little bit of a uh side quest.
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.799
And if you're on the pre-ramble, you've already heard it.
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:48.559
But I went out riding on the new Ducati, the old Ducati that's new to me.
00:29:49.440 --> 00:30:03.599
And I've I spent the last couple of days just up late at night, changing the belts, changing the oil, putting new tires on it, changing the fluid, new spark plugs, just like go sorting the bike out, making sure all the lights work.
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:04.000
Yeah.
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.920
And um I was like, the bike is ready.
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:08.240
Ready?
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.880
We're gonna go rip on it and see how it does.
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:17.839
And I decided I'm gonna wear my armored jeans, I'm gonna wear my motor motorcycle boots, I'm gonna have my jacket on, we're gonna gear up for this.
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.519
Got my nice new helmet on.
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.200
Um, and then I was like, you know what?
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.079
My wallet in the back pocket, it's always just makes me nervous.
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.200
It was a little sketchy.
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.279
So I'm gonna put it in the jacket pocket.
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.640
So I put it in my jacket pocket and I proceed to go on a little ride.
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:37.200
And about 10 or 15 miles down the road, I look down and realize that my jacket pocket is unzipped.
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:39.920
And my wallet is not in it.
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:41.279
Uh-oh.
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:49.440
So I then turn around and go back and retrace the route, and then I do it again, and then I did it again, and it was gone.
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.880
So I said, you know what?
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:51.519
Forget it.
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.079
I'm gonna go on this ride and see how fast this motorcycle goes and all that stuff.
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.440
It goes very fast.
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:59.599
Um the speed limit.
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.400
Um it gets up to the speed limit very quickly.
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.160
Anyway, then I went, I got back back home, and I'm like, you know what?
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:15.680
My wife and my um daughter decided we're gonna go out and just drive around and see if all three of us looking out the windows of the truck can spot this thing.
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.440
But I was like, you know what?
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:23.359
There's gotta be a good chance that someone is gonna be a good Samaritan and they're gonna find this wallet.
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:30.559
Like, if I found a wallet on the ground, I would open it up and see who it belonged to and give them a call at least and say, I left it under this tree.
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.640
So we're driving along and my phone rings, and it's a local number.
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:45.519
I'm like, oh, and this guy answers um in just this real, really nice, you could tell, kind of twang to his voice.
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.279
Hey buddy, I got your wallet.
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:48.880
Uh are you Richard?
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.720
Um, and he found my wallet.
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:57.039
And so he he volunteered to meet me halfway from where he lived because he had had to drive on home.
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:10.480
And we meet up at a local way point, and he, of course, rolls in on his Harley Davidson um with like a you know, ski mask or not ski mask, but like a you know, bandana with like a skull face on it.
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.519
And he was just the nicest guy, Norman.
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.160
Um Norman and he just I said, Can I give you anything?
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.640
He was like, No, no, buddy, a brother.
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:19.680
Brother, brother.
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.640
Uh, I just you do, I just we all expect that we'd all do the same thing if I was in your shoes.
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:25.839
I'm like, absolutely.
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.400
That is just so we had a wonderful little conversation.
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.000
I invited him up to Janice.
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:38.640
And um, but no, the part of the story I missed is that I to run down there, I realized on the right of the Ducati that the headlight burned out, fuse blue.
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:48.400
So I hopped on the KLR and just like hopped on it and blasted down to and I'm like on the street, and I'm all of a sudden going, This is totally different motorcycle from the Ducati.
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:50.559
So what is going on?
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:51.599
Uh, you know.
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:58.640
Well, it's like you go from here to like sport bike to tractor, right?
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.200
Um, and so that that experience of riding two different, completely different machines back to back.
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:08.799
And then, of course, I rode a Griffin 450 and a House Ann 250 and a House Yan 450 as well over the weekend.
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:10.799
So I was just riding a bunch of different bikes.
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:15.279
Some previous weekends I've ridden some different Indians and Triumphs.
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.039
So I've been riding a lot of bikes lately.
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:17.359
Yeah.
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:30.960
And it just the thought in my head was just that well, first the first thought that came into my mind is this Ducati is far, far less practical than a Halcyon 250.
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:31.359
Yeah.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:36.799
Um and probably than a Griffin or then a KLR.
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:44.000
Um but the KLR introduces an interesting mix to this because it is sort of a do-it-all motorcycle, right?
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.519
It is, that's what it's kind of would you say it's marketed as that?
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.880
Yes, yes.
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:58.319
Um, but then you have the halcyon, which is very, I would think many people would describe the halcyon as like a single function motorcycle.
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.240
It's like, oh, it's just for this one particular thing when you don't really need to go fast.
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:18.639
But I'm I have found in riding these different bikes that the halcyon experience, whether it's 250 or 450, is actually what I would describe is the the bandwidth is very broad.
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:18.960
Yeah.
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:23.360
I think when we were talking about it this morning, you were saying it's like you almost have a wider field of vision.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:23.840
Right.
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:36.400
Because when you're on the a faster bike or like a something like a Ducati, your your hands are close together, your body is leaned forward, and you're and you're looking at where you're going.
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:44.320
And if you take your eyes off that for more than a little bit of time, you're you're going fast enough that it doesn't make sense.
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:45.840
You can't do that and survive.
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:47.119
You've got to be very focused.
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.079
It's an intense amount of focus for a short amount of time.
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:50.559
Right.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:59.519
And on top of that, uh, while you can get used to the riding position, it is not the most comfortable thing.
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:00.159
Right.
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:11.599
It's so much and I would even say that the suspension system is very, it's a very good suspension system for track use, but it is not comfortable at all.
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.599
Don't go over a railroad truck.
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.239
Yeah, it's like worse than a house can 250 of a railroad truck.
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.159
I'm not even kidding, which is a crazy thing to say.
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:25.679
Yeah, you're a rear in it, you have rear suspension, but like the front is just going, oh my god, and the bike is like shaking and it just it doesn't, it feels like wrong, right?
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.480
Uh you know, the bike is not gonna be that like it it should be nice, it should be a little nice.
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.119
Well, it's it's I would love to do some kind of test.
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:34.400
I don't know if we can do it.
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:42.239
Uh you know those shock absorbers that they put on the dummies and mythbusters to like indicate how much force it has received.
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.800
It I wonder if we could do something like that with a hard tail.
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:54.400
You know those packing ones to go on the packing box and just break it for the LCON 250 versus your Ducati and say, like, listen, this this hardtail thing, it's not too bad.
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:03.519
Well, the one half of it is you you also like I found myself going slower over the tracks on the Ducati than I do when I'm on a hardtail house.
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.719
Like with a hard standard I can just go and just like zoom over to the track.
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:07.519
Nothing happened.
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.519
But on the bike is like the Ducati you have to really slow down, just take it easy because the whole thing is shaking around.
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:13.920
Right.
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.599
You have to tame the beast.
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:16.800
Very, very different.
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.639
So, what job do you think the Halseyon achieves versus your Ducati, for example?
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.440
Well, I mean, I think there's a couple more things to be said first.
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.559
Yeah, and that is just that that idea of bandwidth.
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:38.480
Because the bandwidth on the sport bike, let's just say, on the Ducati in my experience, is uh very exhilarating.
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.800
Like the acceleration is very thrilling, right?
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:43.360
Right.
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:45.199
That's what it's good at.
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:56.400
It's good at you when you're when you're on the road going 55 miles an hour in a straight line or in curved, whatever, it's like, okay, where's the next car to pass?
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:56.800
Right.
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.159
Like, give me, give me a car.
00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.119
Oh, there's a car up there.
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:00.559
We're gonna blast past right.
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.480
Oh, I can get up there real quick.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:17.280
Whereas on the Halcyon, the what I mean by the bandwidth being broader is you are enjoying more of the experience, whether you're on a gravel road or in the city or on the two-lane country road.
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:17.760
Right.
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.280
You're it you enjoy more of it.
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.360
And part of that is the seating position.
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.480
You're upright, you can see, you can physically see more.
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.000
And I didn't notice that on the KLR.
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:34.000
That was the main thing I noticed is I was like, I felt like I was in a recliner, like the hands are up here, really comfortable.
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.079
There's no weight on them, like on the Ducati.
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.280
It's got a nice seat that you're relatively comfortable on.
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.440
The foot position is like it's not forward controls, but it's not like rear sets.
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:57.599
Um, and and also the way that the bike handles, like on a KLR, like one of my favorite things to do is to kind of go like this in the road in your lane, and the whole bike kind of bounces from one side to the other, and you gotta hop.
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.599
When you do it on the ducati, it's just like this.
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.159
It's just like it just carves.
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:02.880
It's like a scene.
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:04.159
It's not really that fun.
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:10.159
I mean, it's fun going through a corner, but when you're doing that on a on the Ducati, it's like it wants to lean further.
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:10.800
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.320
And it just doesn't have that experience, and it's not as nimble.
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.440
Yeah, it's not actually.
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.159
I mean, the turning radius on it is hilarious.
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.199
That's really interesting.
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:23.360
It's like I think an F-150 can turn around in a smaller circle than it would be.
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:24.880
That's it right now.
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:26.559
At least this the 750.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:26.719
Yeah.
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.400
Um, where then, of course, you have the halcyon that just goes very tight turning radius.
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:30.559
Right.
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:31.760
Same with a KLR.
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:37.760
Um, but uh in general, I think that the the the range of experience that you can enjoy on it is wider.
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:54.400
Now, what's interesting is that yeah, I think a lot of people would say that it's the use case, if they didn't, if they haven't ridden one, is very limited because you only get to use it when you're not going planning on going fast.
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:01.679
And I've just experienced like it takes me quite a while to get to the point where I need where I can go fast enough to take advantage of the Ducati.
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:11.519
Yeah, when you're rumbling around town, it's kind of cool because it's really loud and but it's it's also just not very happy in it's increment, it's extremely never gonna first gear.
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:12.320
Right.
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.599
And what's the point other than being like yo, looking cool, right?
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.039
But you look cool on a GS too.
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.360
Right.
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:25.840
Um, no, let's talk about the KLR, which you mentioned earlier is kind of like a jack of all trades.
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:26.800
Everything bike.
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:32.480
I I I joke about the KLR that it's pretty good at everything and not very good at anything.
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:33.599
Right?
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.920
What uh it's first of all, it's not pretty.
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:37.760
It's a jack of all trades, master of none.
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.239
It's it's pretty dumpy looking.
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:45.519
I mean, I find them attractive in a sort of loving way.
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.159
I'll like a bless your heart kind of way.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.480
Uh bless your heart, but also kind of it's like a fine wine.
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:56.719
You it takes a specific taste that you develop over a long period of time.
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.519
Um that's a really nice way of saying it's ugly.
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.000
But it's not designed to be pretty.
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:02.800
Right, right.
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:03.920
It's utilitarian.
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:12.239
Whereas the Ducati is just even the Pierre Treblanche bubble uh plastics that I have are it's beautiful.
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.719
It's it's literally has hips.
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:20.079
Like the under the seat, it has these like like swells that come back to the tail light.
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:20.320
Uh-huh.
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.039
And if you open the seat, there's no purpose to those things.
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.599
There is not a storage compartment, there's no wiring.
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.960
It's literally just to get good.
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.679
It's like a didn't he explain I can't remember one of his one of the designs that he made.
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.280
It was like he made it to look like a woman.
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.079
Well, these definitely have the base of it.
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.360
Very curvy, curvaceous lines.
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.239
Um yeah, well, it's it's interesting.
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:48.079
What am I even to say voluptuous?
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.559
Ah, well, that's a that's an adjective.
00:40:51.280 --> 00:41:00.159
But you cannot, and then the halcyon, we all know from the look at the comments, like take one out on, put it in the back of your pickup truck, and you're gonna be stopped.
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.519
Stop at a gas station.
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:03.760
Everyone just finds it beautiful, right?
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:07.119
Um, and I'm not just trumping our own horn when I say that.
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.800
They are be pretty, they're bikes that are designed to look as good as they ride.
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:11.440
Right.
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.440
Um the KLR.
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.880
Doesn't look like they did not put any.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.599
I can't imagine they put much thought into the way it looks.
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:19.760
Yeah.
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:25.039
And if they did, it was sort of like, well, maybe it looks a little bit more like a BMW if we put like the angle kind of mean looking lights on the gen two.
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.119
Yeah, it feels like what RVs are.
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.840
But the Gen 1s, like, it's just like the most practical possible clothing.
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:33.599
And there's a certain beauty in that.
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:33.840
Right.
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:43.920
But I think um it does fulfill a very certain kind of riding, but it but it it too has a wide bandwidth that it encompasses.
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:50.800
Um so I mean we come back to the original question then, right?
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.920
Like, can a motorcycle have too many jobs?
00:41:54.079 --> 00:42:03.599
Because you're describing the KLR and it's saying you're saying, like, yeah, it's it's all right at everything, uh, but not great at no anything.
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:05.519
Is that really good off-road?
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.519
It's not really good on the asphalt.
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.320
But it's pretty good at both those.
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.280
What do you lose then because of that, besides just looks?
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.679
Well, you lose power.
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:24.880
You it's it it not only is it pretty low power, it's reasonably heavy compared to a Halcyon.
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.360
Um, you don't get the aesthetics.
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.079
Nobody's like gonna stop you and flag you down on a KLR.
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.639
Um, unless they're like a KLR fan.
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.119
Like, so if I see a KR, I'm like, look, there's a KLR.
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:36.559
It's a Gen 1.
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:37.440
I see it.
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:38.719
I love that color scheme.
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:39.760
Respect you, man.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.440
Um, but that's a separate thing.
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:42.000
Right, right.
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:51.760
Um, whereas there's a kind of a universal language of beauty that non-motorcyclists, when they see a certain kind of bike, they're gonna go, oh, look at that.
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:52.159
Right.
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.599
And that's what a Janice tries to hone in on.
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:55.760
Right.
00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:05.360
And it's also what a Janus in the the ride is something that's like, we're trying to make a bike that for the kind of riding that we do most of the time, that's where its powerband is.
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.440
That's the perfect motorcycle for that.
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:08.800
That's its thing.
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.199
It's good at where we try and ride.
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:51.119
And it and if we were to try and make a halcyon that was good at everything, so uh heavier for wind, more powerful for the highway, lightweight for uh ease of you know riding and moving around, and nimble and hardtailed because this, and soft tailed because this, then you'd end up with the crossover, the Ferrari Luce of um the crossover SUV, it's kind of lifeless like KLR, which I'm not knocking the KLR, but it it it it you get bogged down with practicality.
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.400
And guess what?
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:59.760
We're not designing motorcycles to be practical, we're designing them to be thrilling because like we were.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:34.719
Talking about in the pre ramble, one of the reasons we was it just the pre-ramble we were talking about the well like the idea that the um that was brought up in the chat of oh no it was the it was here it was here yeah the idea having a bad tool doing a different job is that what you're talking about uh well the idea that the yeah the the voicemail the idea of oh yeah of um recruit of a vehicle for practical reasons like at least we're we're not designing a bike to be necessarily practical we're trying to design it to be this thing that's uh that that enhances the experience of rambling right does that make sense?
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:42.880
Yeah that makes a lot of sense and and I I am a firm believer that uh we have the most fun on vehicles that have an intentional purpose behind them.
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.039
Uh I think Ducades do a great job with that.
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:46.639
I think Janice does a great job at that.
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Like I think there are a few motorcycles that have a uh the ability to say this is what I'm good at and I'm not mad about it.
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I would even say the the 10-year uh the Yamaha 10 year 700, like I think that's a as far as an adventure bike goes, that's that's the most like hey, I'm kind of like those guys say they're adventure bikes.
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I am an adventure bike.
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Like that's my view on it, and that's why it's so popular.
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Right.
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Um so I think you can the GS, the B the big giant BWGS, is like people make fun of GS riders, like, oh well, they're never taking them off-road.
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Well, that's not what most of them are doing, right?
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They're taking them on gravel.
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It is a bike that it's like an it's like an SUV or a or a truck in the sense that you can blast down the highway in perfect comfortable comfort with your cruise control, or you can go on a rocky road.
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And some people, if they have a lot of skill, can take it in more off-road scenarios, but you're that's a big bike.
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A heavy, a heavy motorcycle in tight corners it has its own bandwidth for a specific kind of riding.
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Right.
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And our argument that will that I'm gonna stick by is that we're trying to make a motorcycle that that opens the fun of riding to all of us in our everyday.
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So it takes this thrilling leisure activity and makes it more universal.
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Yeah.
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Um, I say the same thing about I mean, I've said mentioned this before, but like do you want a really big sailboat that can sail across the Atlantic Ocean?
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Or do you want a little dinghy that you can throw in the water on a weekend?
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Which one do you think you're gonna sail more?
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Right.
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Which one are you gonna have more adventures on?
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Right.
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It's a pretty, I mean, it's almost self-evident the answer to that question.
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Right.
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Um so that's the reason we do it.
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But any off of just Janice, this idea of sh can a bike do too many things?
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I think they can.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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Um and that's why we all need to have multiple bikes that do different things.
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Anyway, we've it's been a pleasure having all of you all on, and may your garages grow larger.
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With tools with purpose.
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Uh yes.
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We'll see you next week.
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We'll see you next week.
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For episode 134.
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See you then.
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