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Ah Yes, Now we're back in the comic book store
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with the Appalayador. Evan Bevin's.
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I was responding to attendance. You know, I'm going good.
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Not very funny today apparently, but you know, going good.
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You are in fact here ave wait wait here are okay? Yeah?
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All right? That was great.
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I am your awkward mandated reporter, mister Mark radle Is,
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and frankly, I'm mortified, and yes, tonight on comic strip,
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we are in fact talking here. I came upon this.
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It was released late last year, somewhere in the fall,
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or I guess somewhere between October and November. And I
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know that because I went because this was like a
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first date movie, and I know when I when that
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took place for me. So it was one of those
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things where I was on a date and we wanted
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to go to the movies and I just kind of
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picked whatever was here and was going to start at
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the time that we were near the theater. I didn't
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know anything about it. I had no idea what this was.
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I remember when I pitched it to the girl, She's like, well,
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what is this and I'm like, I have no freaking
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clo It's close and it's you know, and it's convenient,
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that's what it is.
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Orrest Gump too.
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Yeah, clearly I had no idea this reunited Roberts Mechis,
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Tom Hanks and Robin right together.
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And Alan Silvestri. Let's please not forget Alan Silvestry and
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Alan Silvestrie.
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Yeah. So I watched it then half paid attention to
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it and thought, huh, well, this is interesting. And then
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when we were coming up with a list of things
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to do, I realized that the movie was based on
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this book, and I was like, well, Evan, now we
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have to talk about it because it's right in our wheelhouse.
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So what about you here for us? How did you
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get here?
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Well, I did not know it was based on a
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comic or this is one of the few times that
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I've been intentionally saying graphic novel, because I could not
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imagine this as a standard comic book, right, But I
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mean it absolutely uses the art form. But you know,
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I didn't know about it until you told me. But
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I had seen the previews, I mean, you know, reuniting
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the Forrest Gump dream Team, and I thought it looked
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kind of interesting, and I'm like, but you know, can
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they do more with it other than the gimmick? And
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so I had some some preconceptions going into both and well,
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we'll talk about whether those were met or upended or what.
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Yeah, I don't know why you would want to adapt
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this book into a movie, except that you're testing technology
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and you have and we'll get into this as we
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as we go through the podcast. But I have a
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sneaking suspicion that Robert Semechis was wrestling with an idea,
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wrestling with a feeling, and either he came upon it
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naturally or someone pitched him this book and he said,
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I know that's not what this book is about, but
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I'm going to make this book about my idea. And
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we got this movie.
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I could see that. I mean, I do you do
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you want me to tell you my preconceptions or now?
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Or yeah, yeah, please tell me. Please don't do a
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craft review, please please stick to the agreed upon format.
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Okay is the theme of this last month's worth of
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podcast with me and Okay.
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Yeah, I was just what I thought going in, was like, Okay,
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this this, this is this is a gimmick, you know,
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but before I knew before I knew it was a comic.
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And then as I'm reading the graphic novel or comic
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or whatever you want to call it, and I'm like, Okay,
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I see what they're doing with this. I think we're
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going to get the same basic concept one point in time,
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one fixed point across a whole lot of time. But
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the movie will go into more character stuff and be
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its own thing, and the graphic novel will be its
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own thing, and only the basic concept is where they
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will intersect.
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Right. It's funny. It actually, I incidentally end up doing
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a lot of podcasts like circling a particular theme. Mac
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and I talked about this on Thursday with Cloud out
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Lists about a longitudinal story told over different points in time.
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I was thinking about Cloud out Lists as I was
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watching it.
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Are you really yeah? No? I really was. Okay, it
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sounded to me like you were fulling my leg because
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I'm waiting for me to laugh.
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I really was.
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I was like, if you're gonna be a bold statement
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of I was thinking about Cloud out Lists, I need more?
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Yeah, No, I just yeah. It did make me think
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because well Tom Hanks was in cloud out Lists as well, right,
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he certainly was Ali yeah, okay, yeah, And so I
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was thinking about that. And then you know, like these
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stories that are set over time and repeating themes or
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holds it. I think a oh rhyming events right when
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Franklin put it, yes, so yeah, no, I really was
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that was not sarcasm at all.
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Okay, so let's get into what the book is. Here
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started its life as a six page comics story by
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Richard Maguire published in nineteen eighty nine, and expanded into
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a three hundred and four page graphic novel in twenty fourteen.
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The concept of Here in both versions is to show
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the same location in space at different points in time,
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ranging from the primordial past the thousands of years in
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the future. Here has been recognized as a groundbreaking experiment
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with the formal properties of comics. This graphic novel was adapted. Okay,
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we already know it was adapted into the Thing in
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The nineteen eighty nine original story has been recognized as groundbreaking.
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Douglas Wolke wrote that its influence has echoed through art
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comics for decades. Its influence is particularly notable in the
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works of Chris Ware, who wrote a lengthy essay on
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it in the magazine Comic Art. The original story was
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reprinted for the first time in that issue. It has
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been frequently anthologized since its original publication. Writer Lee Constantino's
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analysis of the twenty fourteen version of the story came
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to the conclusion more so than the original Rawsticks pager.
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The book version of Here dwells on the radical because
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intrinsic destructibility of life. Though we get a glimpse of
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what might be some sort of utopian future, Here's human
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story ultimately stands against a stark background, logely devoid of
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human presence. That is, a yawning cosmic indifference. Bookends the
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life of McGuire's Little House, and this goes on and on.
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The French edition of the graphic novel, titled Ishi and
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published by Editions Galimard, was given the I can't even
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begin to pronounce that anglame International Comics Festival. I say,
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if you say it fast, sounds like you're saying it
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right exactly, Yeah, Festival Prize for Best Album in twenty sixteen.
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Here was given the second place award at the twenty
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seventeen Game and Awards. The Portuguese language edition, titled Equi
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and published by Cha Das Latrosse, was given the I'm
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glad Robert's not here to correct my to correct my mispronunciations,
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was given the Silver Premio Grandpa in Brazil in twenty eighteen,
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and this goes on and on. So what are we
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talking about here?
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I can tell you that ec is French for here.
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Perfect. Okay, you added. So the concept is deceptively simple
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but thematically deep. Every panel takes place in the exact
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same physical location, a corner of a living room, but
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jumps around in time from prehistoric past to the distant future.
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Through a layering of windows into various time periods. McGuire
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explore themes of memory, transience, change, and permanence. The comic
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plays with temporality layout in meaning showing unrelated events happening
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in the same spot across centuries, with some panels even
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layering multiple years simultaneously. What did you think of this book, Evan?
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I thought it was pretty interesting. I uh, you know,
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the it definitely uses the comic format in a way
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that you don't always see. I mean, it's it's not
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like I've never seen a comic with pages where you know,
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panels take place in different times or reflect what's going on,
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but this with it all being in that same spot.
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I mean, one of the first times they do it
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is when the woman says, now, why did I come
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in here again, and then you see you know, a
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cat forty two years later walking through there. In the
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next page, you see the woman in nineteen fifty seven,
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the cat in nineteen ninety nine, and the undeveloped landed
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in sixteen twenty three. So it uses you know, familiar
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comic format like the different panels, but uses them in
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kind of a different way. So, yeah, I thought thought
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it was pretty interesting. Some of it I found a
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little bit hard to follow. Like I don't now correct
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me if I'm wrong. I don't believe any of the
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characters are really named, although for the most part you don't.
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I mean, you get you get the broad ideas. You know,
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it's not like I'm like, I don't understand why are
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these people taking pictures of each you know, it's it's
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most of it's very relatable things, things that they're doing. Yeah,
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and then obviously you have the.
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You know, the.
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Different events reflected, Like there's one where people are playing
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Twister thirty some years apart but in the same place,
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or one where the guys talking about the symbiotic relationship
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that the dog has with the mailman barking at him
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every day, and that's in nineteen fifty four, and meanwhile,
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somebody rings the doorbell for what turns out to be
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a significant as a well as significant as any event
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can be in here in nineteen eighty six. So I mean,
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you know, I don't know that I would have described
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it as deeply and philosophically as some of what you wrote.
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But I mean, yeah, even I could catch on to
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the theme, which is like, across time and culture and everything,
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a lot of us have more in common than we realize.
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I don't think. I don't know without checking catch ept
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are talking to the author, talk to people. If the
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author's intention was to challenge the notion, the anxious notion
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that you matter so much people are paying attention to you.
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I was thinking about this book, and I feel like
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what the author was trying to get at through the
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use of these pictures was how little we matter? Like
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that's a notion challenged by traditional Western religions. Of course
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we matter. We're God's children, We're all blessed snowflakes. Okay,
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what if you took the opposite approach? Again, not a
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novel idea, This is I think elements of nihilism in here.
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None of us matter in the Great cosmic expanse of things.
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We are so bloody and significant that none of this
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really matters. If none of it matters, that what are
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you supposed to do with your life? And I and
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here's the thing, if that's what he was going for,
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he never gets to the other end of the equation.
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That is an incomplete sentence. And I struggled with this
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book in that I don't know if I'm projecting meaning
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onto it or that's really what he was going at.
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But either way, this feels like an unfinished meal.
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Well, I you presented those two kind of contrasting ideas.
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That's I kind of said when I was summing it
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up in my notes that I kind of felt both
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of those were in there. I feel like it's it's
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a commentary or contrast on the fleeting nature of humanity
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against the massive timescale of the earth, but acknowledging the
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importance of those fleeting moments. And then I had a
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or something, so I got a little bit of both
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because it was like, yeah, it's you know, here's all
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this stuff that matters in these people's lives, and you
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know from dust we came, to dust, we shall return.
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But I mean, like there's and even more so in
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the movie. There's genuine emotion and resonance in there, even
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while well, it points you to the fact that this
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is just a blip on the cosmic scale.
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Yeah, let's put I'm not coming down hard either way.
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I'm just sort of sharing an idea with a friend.
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and I was thinking a lot about the book as
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I flipped through it. I think saying that I read
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it would be a gross overstatement, but I definitely I
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definitely turned pages in what is physically defined as a book.
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of of opposite things existing at the same time and
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being okay with that. As you just said, I'm kind
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of taking what you said and throwing other fancy words
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in there. But I think we tend to because we're Westerners,
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we grew up in a Western way. We tend to
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look at things linearly and like binarily, it's either this
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or that. The cat is either get the cat. The
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cat in the box is either dead or it's not.
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and it's underscored, I think by technology. Computers operate the
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same way. You know things through either zeros are ones
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when you get down to it. But there's a kind
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of an Eastern philosophical view of why can't all things
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exist at once? Why, you know, why can't we have
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counter veiling ways of being existing in the same space.
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I think if you're like, okay, so so kind of
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draw out what you mean by all of that. I
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think Richard Maguire might have been saying with this book, Yes,
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just because ultimately we don't matter in the grand scheme
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of things. You are. You are sentient being with thoughts, feelings, needs,
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wants and boundaries in You matter, and the lives you
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touch matter. The lives you touch, you matter. Don't go
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through life thinking getting caught up in the cosmic equation
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of things.
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All things matter, And you know, you talked about the
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Eastern philosophy, but I think it's it's present a lot
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of things. As we were talking, I was reminded of
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something and I pulled it up, but I mean that
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that is addressed in the Bible. It was nagging at me.
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It sounded familiar, but at Psalm eight Versus three and four.
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When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers,
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the moon and the stars which you have set in place.
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What is mankind? That you are mindful of them? Human beings,
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that you care for them? So it even you know,
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it's not necessarily at odds with Christianity or a more
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wet Western view, I guess, because you know, it's the
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idea that God created all this stuff and yet desires
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a personal relationship with us, knows us, even though we
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are you know, small dots in the grand scheme.
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Yeah, I do think that there is sort of if
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you're like, what sell me on this book? What's the undercurrent?
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I think playing with the contradictions of time and space,
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which I think might be another way of trying to
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frame what this book is about.
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You describe it that way to Jesse Starcher and he'll
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he'll pick it right up.
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Leave my friend alone. Don't bully him. But oh, you're you're.
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Making a travel.
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Okay, Well, you know the movie was directed by Roberts.
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The mechis there you go, so there you go. It
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all comes it, all that it all adds up.
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Is maybe maybe you were having trouble with it because
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you weren't thinking fourth dimensionally.
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That's often what I get accused of so some So
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what's good about the book I think because I mean,
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we've been at this for almost twenty minutes and almost
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entirely about this. We didn't go into a tangent about
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secret wars, and I think if it provokes a conversation
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about metaphysics and religion and the ethereal nature of existence,
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that's good for something I can't really discount. For that,
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I think art should make you think and reflect. On
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the other hand, I want to get your opinion on this.
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This has only got two or three different colors going on.
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It's a very bland kind of beige piss yellow color scheme,
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and the art is sketchbook at best, and that's obviously purposeful.
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I don't think it was like, well, I can't draw
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anything with stick figures, so this is what you get.
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But you know, I think if you're not necessarily married
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to traditional photorealistic art, you're you know, simple art can
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leave the reader more focused on some of the other
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elements of the book. On the other hand, this was
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not that interesting to look at.
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was that some of the more simple, simple renderings kind
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of allowed you to personalize it a little more, you know,
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like the I read you know, the reason that Master
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Chief is one of the great video game characters is
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because you can't see his face because so you can
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imagine yourself under that armor or whatever. So it's almost
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like they're not I mean, you can tell generally everything
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that's going on, but they're not so distinctive that they
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take on a life of their own, which in some
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ways made it a little harder relate, to relate to
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some of it. Like I feel like most of this
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this book is the concept, you know. I mean, I
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don't want to say there's no memorable lines, because there
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were some lines of course I had I read it.
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You know, I watched the movie a couple of days
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after I read it that I I instantly remembered when
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they showed up in the movie. But like, there's not
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a lot that's super dramatic, which you know, reflects the
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idea of this is a reflection of mundane life or whatever,
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and let you personalize it more. But it also, you know,
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other than the concept doesn't make a lot of impression
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on me.
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The last thing I want to bring up because I
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don't think I don't want to extend this conversation past
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the point where it becomes like, why are we still
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talking about this? I was saying to somebody, I think
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I was talking about this with Robert. Not everything needs
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to be a movie, not everything needs to be a book,
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not everything needs to be a television show. And I
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think sometimes we conceptualize things in one format and it
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ends up being produced in another, and maybe the chosen
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format for final distribution isn't wasn't really the right fit
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at all. This feels like an art gallery presentation, like
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someone's kind of art show piece. M M that someone
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that someone else was like, you're not going to get
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these like like like McGuire has a series of paintings
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in his art that say this, it's this is this
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is here, this is my my conception is here, This
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is me playing with time and space. And these are
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like six paintings that I've done and I bring them
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to an art gallery and people will love me. And
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someone looked at this and said, Nope, you've done everything
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in this yellow No one gets what this is. Go away,
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And he was like all right, I this was a failure.
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I will reconceptualize this as a comic book because that's
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cheaper and I can actually get that made. And then
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someone took the comic book and it was like this
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is fantastic, Do more of this, and he makes a
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book out of it. And I'm thinking, and I'm like,
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I'm watching this, like why does the book begin here
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and end here like the movie doesn't. I don't have
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a problem with this, because if you follow, this is
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really about this one family and everything else is sort
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of window dressing. That's fine, we'll talk about that momentarily.
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But because the book has so narrative structure as such,
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it just sort of it begins because the earth kind
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of has a beginning to it kind of, and it
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ends because we ran out of pages. Why did we
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shoot the Why did we shoot this house one thousand times?
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Because we ran out of bullets? That's why, you know,
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as Saint Grady Judd tells us. And so I struggle
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sort of wrapping my head conceptually around this, as why
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did this need to be a book? This seems weird
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to be a book. Why isn't this more of an
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art gallery piece?
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Your thoughts well, I get what you're saying. I think,
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you know, I said initially that when I've talked about this,
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I've been careful to say graphic novel, even though usually
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I used comic graphic novel, trade paperback interchangeably. And half
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the time I think people only say graphic novel so
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that they can show you that they're more important than
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a comic book.
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Okay, because graphic novel has an adult connotation to its
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serious artists and or serious writer and sounds like something
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you give to a child.
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But but this, like what I said, I couldn't imagine
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it as a comic book because I and you know,
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I'm curious to see what the original six pages were,
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because I think I would look at that and go, oh,
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and that's it. I think putting it in a book
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format rather than six pages or six paintings gives it
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more of the scale that he's going for. I mean, sure,
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you can have you know, here's you know, pre colonial times,
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here's Benjamin Franklin, here's these people in the fifties, here's
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somebody in the nineties. Here's the far future after the
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earth has flooded or whatever, And you give the same message.
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But this even the book, without delving too much into
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the characters, gives you this this life and the sense
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that even these small, fleeting periods were lengthy and mattered
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to people. So I think, like, I'm not sure that
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it I'm not sure that you get out of it
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what you would get from a three hundred and some
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page pros book. But I think when the sample size
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is that much bigger, you get more than you would
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have gotten out of the gallery show or the smaller
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comic that just presents the concept. I think it adds
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a dimension to it. Now, whether that makes it more interesting,
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more relevant, you know, I guess that's in the eye
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of the beholder. But I think making it longer gives
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it more depth or weight to it that you couldn't
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do even though you're sort of conveying the same message
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in a more succint format.
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Interestingly enough, there's a section of the Wikipedia page called
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Museum Exhibition twenty fourteen. In commemoration of the publication of
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the graphic novel, the Morgan Library and Museum, collaborating with
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the New York Public Library, launched the exhibtion. Launched the
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exhibition From Here to Here, Richard McGuire makes a book
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all right, which track the process behind Maguire's story and
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expansion of the story to a full length word.
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No, I didn't see that coming, McGuire.
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Relis the synchronicity of having the exhibition and a one
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room gallery that is about a book that takes place
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in one room. Aha, anything else about this book. I'm
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not unhappy that we did this. It's a little bit
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it's a little out of the wheelhouse here, but I
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think I've told you and Jesse anytime we've just been
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discussing podcast topics. I'm so utterly bored by traditional superhero
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stuff that like, I gotta find other things to do,
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or I'm not going to do this anymore. And this
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at the very least stretched me as a reviewer of
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comic books. So I'm not unhappy we did this.
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Yeah, yeah, I thought it was was definitely interesting and
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and different. You probably don't want me to bring up
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that the page that takes place in one million BC
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is a perfect opportunity to cross over with Jason Aaron's
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prehistoric Avengers.
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I mean you can if you want to, if that
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makes you happy.
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I probably shouldn't do that or reference the fact that
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in Age of Ultro and Paul Bettany as the vision says.
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But the thing isn't beautiful because it lasts, which I
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think resonates.
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With this I do. I think it absolutely not only
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reason I think it correlates with this book rather well.
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Evan, Yeah, my podcast, all right, Ronnie's gonna asume me
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one of these days. It's gonna be your fault.
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I think. I said, like of the Screaming Boy podcast
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about the Watchowskis the other night, and it was like
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a lot of Wachowski of the Screaming Boy podcast. Does
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he have a stroke? Maybe? All right, So that's the book. Uh,
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let's get into the film here. Here is a twenty
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twenty four American drama film produced and directed by Robert Semechis,
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who co wrote the screenplay with Eric Roth, based on
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the aforementioned book we've been talking about for the past
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half hour. Echoing the source material, the film is told
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in a non la right no, in a nonlinear fashion
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using a lockdown or static shot technique. The story covers
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a single plot of land and its inhabitants from the
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distant past the twenty first century to the twenty first century.
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During the film, the screen is often subdivided into pains
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presenting events from different times simultaneously. The film stars Tom Hanks,
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Robin Wright, Paul Bettany, and Kelly Riley, with digitaldaging via
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generative artificial intelligence being used on much of a cast
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to have them betray their characters over time. Here premiered
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at the AFI Fest on October twenty fifth, twenty twenty four,
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before being theatrically released in the US by Tristrap Pictures
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through Sony Pictures on November first, twenty twenty four. This
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Still Stress was still a thing, Yes, sir. The film
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received generally negative reviews from critics and grossed fifteen point
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eight million off of fifty million dollar budget. Yeah, this
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thing bombed hard.
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So we're not going to get the sequel there, No, sir,
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We're here to there.
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Yes uh. Robert Zimkas was honored at the Chicago International
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Film Festival in twenty twenty four in the category of
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Founders Legacy, and then it won the Emerging Technology Award
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at the Visual Effects Society Awards. So some critical responses
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before we get into this. Yeah, this got a thirty
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seven on Rotten Tomatoes. Peter Shabinski of Robert Rogerieber dot
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Com gave the film one out of four stars, which
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they think is a bit harde and wrote, here is
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a work so cloying and ham fisted in its attempt
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to move you that they were there's a point when
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you find yourself thinking that the only thing that the
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mechas hasn't thrown into the mix is a Neil drop
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of our house, and then he proceeds to do just that.
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Before we get into this, I watched this last night
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with a good friend of mine, and I was very
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keyed into this movie in a way that I haven't
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been keyed into a movie for a while now. When
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I watched at home, I should say they're like kind
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of on the edge of my seat and more because
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I was like, I'm wondering how many of like the
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Boomer the boomer great directors, you know, it was Zamechis Spielberg,
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Lucas Scorsese, these guys that you know that came out
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of like the golden age of filmmaking, right before Star
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Wars murdered the industry and everything in this path, there
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was this you know, period of filmmaking where these were
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like the rebel filmmakers and these were all Boomers, right,
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and the Boomers were kind of sold on this idea
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of the American dream. The American dream is, you know,
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owning a home and where seventy five years later and
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I think a lot of these boomers are kind of
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looking back going I feel like we were lied to.
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I don't feel like the American dream as it was
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sold to us, as you know, personal property, land, a
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house a very much a This particular structure feels more
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like a gilded cage than it does a icon of freedom,
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agency and success. And that like zamechis is kind of
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not throwing a tantrum. This isn't like wildly emotional in
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that sense. But I do feel like, and we'll talk
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about what this is in a minute, but I kind
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of wanted to just get your take on where's the
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meccas may have been coming from with this, where like
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he really had kind of like this depressive bee in
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his bondard, it feels like, and made this movie lamenting
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the false promised snake oil sale of the home. And
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then the critics turned around and backlashed against that idea, like,
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don't you tell me the American dream is is bad?
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Don't you tell me owning a Home is bad. I've
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worked my whole fucking life this, you motherfucker, and that's
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why this is getting bad reviews. That's my kind of
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stream of consciousness badly opening to reviewing this movie.
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My one of my opening notes was, did Tom Hanks
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do motion capture for the animals?
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So we are not the same?
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Yeah? I know, no, I can. I can see some
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of that. You know the other movie?
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You know.
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I told you, and you thought I was lying that
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this reminded me of Cloud Out was a little bit
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because of the know, the echoing nature. It did not
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just because of the of the cast make me think
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of Forrest Gump. Another one that it that it reminded
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me of. And I can't remember how it was critically received,
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but I can imagine people not liking it either. Was
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mister Holland's Opus.
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I have actually not seen mister Holland's Opis, so in
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fifty words or less, brought the parallel from here to
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mister Holland's opis okay. Well.
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Richard Dreyfus is a composer who dreams of, you know,
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being a legendary composer and takes a job to make
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ends meet as a high school band director, right, and
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it's it's goes through decades of this and him never
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quite getting to live out his dream. But the idea
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is and there's actually a song in it. I think
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it's a John Lennon song, but that kind of sums
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up one of the lyrics kind of sums up the movie.
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Life is what's happening. Life is what happens while you're
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busy making their plans. Makes sense, and so that's that's
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what I mean. That's kind of the arc, similar to
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the arc that Tom Hanks has in this movie, is
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he's making all these plans and striving to do this
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stuff and it doesn't quite pan out, and before you
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know it, he and his wife are regretting the missed
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opportunities and and things like that. But they've built this
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whole life on the same plot of land where you
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know Native Americans experienced that, you know, their lives and deaths,
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and their parents or Richard's parents, the guy that invented
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the lazy Boy. All these folks you know, went went
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went through their their ups and downs. Uh similarly, so,
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I if I had to guess why it got sort
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of a bad review bad reviews, I think what didn't
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the word kloying pop up in yours. I guess some
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of it was a little too sentimental, although I I mean, I'm,
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I'm I'm kind of a sucker for that. I don't.
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I don't dislike things that challenge me.
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But uh, if if Forrest Gump was the mechas being hopeful,
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here feels like the mechas being regretful, Like this is
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the same tone.
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Yeah, yeah, I can, I can, I can. I can
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see that. I am one of my uh biggest review beefs.
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I mean, well, I guess it has to be a
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beef if the other person knows you exist. But I
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remember somebody, and I'm not gonna run their name through
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the ground or anything. Just because we have different opinions,
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that doesn't make them bad. But I remember a reviewer
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describing Patch Adams, which is a movie I enjoyed, as
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toxic and defensive.
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That's a very modern view of Patch Adams. When was this?
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What's that?
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When was this?
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It was right after it came out.
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It's good, nothing changes nothing.
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Yeah, and the this person also sung the praises of
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kill Bill. Of course they did it okay, But Patch
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Adams was toxic and offensive. Now was Patch Adams a
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little cliche and you know, sugary sweet, Okay, I can
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I can see that, And yes, I mean I don't
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know that. I found this one totally regretful. I get
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where you're coming from with that. But part of it
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was the fact that there were regrets, there was sadness,
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and yet they found meaning even though life didn't work
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out the way the way that they wanted. There were disappointments, legitimate,
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you know, disappointments, but you know, like and I know
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it was in the preview and even even though I
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liked it, it was just a little maybe a little
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too sweet. But toward the end when he brings her
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back into the house and he says, well, yes, we
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lived here, which is is, you know, at once a
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very simple statement and you know, kind of a hey,
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just in case you're not sure this is what the
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movie's about, we're gonna yeah, I get that. But you know,
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there was the moment where you know, she's she's got dementious,
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she's forgetting things, and she remembers that one little moment
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where their daughter lost her award and got super upset
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and then found it and they were so excited and
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it's like, I mean, does that matter against the backdrop
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of you know, the earth and hundreds of years and
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all these regrets and things that have fallen short And
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it's like, Yeah, a nice moment of joy with your
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family that does matter.
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I definitely agree with that statement. It was funny. In
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the first act of this I turned to my friend,
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I'm like, you haven't noticed how Spielberg, Lucas and Zamechas
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and all these guys that lived through it really fetishized
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the post war period. And then as the movie ended,
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I was like, oh, no, they're looking back and now
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see and and now see the folly of the life
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they've lived, like they kind of hate where they came from.
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That's that's the impression I get now when I look
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when I when I look at the stories at Spielberg,
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Lucas and when they are telling stories and Zamechas are
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telling it almost it does feel like it's funny. This
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isn't totally track, but stay with me. So, my dad
635
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was a Republican because if you were successful in white
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and it was the eighties, it was good to be
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a Republican, you know. It was good to be in
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line with what the prevailing wisdom of the decade was
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and then life happened, and life has a lot of
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bitter defeats, And somewhere around the time he starts to
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retire from his chosen profession because it's not working out
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for him, he becomes like a hard left liberal. And
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this is around two thousand and one. And asked me
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why I know it's around two thousand and one because
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he went even further to the left after nine to eleven.
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And it's like, whenever I talk to elder people who
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are like far lefties, I always get the impression that
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it's out of like anger and disappointment, Like less out
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of political alignment and philosophical belief and more out of
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emotional reaction to a life full of disappointments.
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You mean, there's reasons people can have opinions other than
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being absolutely one right.
653
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No, listen, So what is this movie? The film adaptation
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of Here, directed by the aforementioned Robert Semechis Uh, maintains
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the core concept of the original comic, a single location
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shown over centuries using innovative visual effects in temporal transitions,
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so Mechis reimagines Maguire's static panels into a flowing narrative,
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bringing life in human stories to this Unlike the comic,
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which is abstract and episodic, the film builds a more linear,
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emotional arc centering around a family that inhabits the space
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over generations right in Hanks portray various incarnations of the
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same people or archetypes, Grounding the comic sweep in emotional intimacy.
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The film adds dialogue, character development, and a metaphysical tone,
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making the viewer feel the weight of time in a
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more literal and sentimental way. Yeah, let me. I'll stick
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to the main core of the storyline because everything else
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is kind of window dressing. Basically, we have a post
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World War two Greatest generation family that buys a colonial
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house in Pennsylvania, and they have kids. They raise those
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kids there. One of those kids grows up to be
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Tom Hanks, and Tom Hanks meets a pretty little girl,
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and that pretty little girl is Robin Wright. And because
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all good boys do this to pretty little girls, he
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gets are pregnant. So they so they have to now
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raise this child in the house. It should be no
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that Paul Betty, though he has dreams and ambitions and
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talents and skills, also has a bit of a temper
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and a drinking problem, and he goes to work selling
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vacuums to make money to pay for this house, which
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is unsatisfying work. And over time he has scaled down
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and scaled down and scaled down and made to feel inefficient, unable,
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and unwanted, just less of a man.
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So you're saying his job as a vacuum salesman sucks.
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I do so adore you listen. And then Tom Hanks
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impregnates his girl. And he's an artist and he wants
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to be a graphic designer, but he has to make money,
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so he goes into insurance sales. This is all very
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meaningful and very relevant later on in the movie, where
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Robin writes about fucking had it with the life they've created.
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They've lived in the house with his parents for up
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teen years, and Robin Wright keeps saying, but we need
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her own life, and we need this. This is just
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one compromise after another.
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And finally, and much like Scrooge in them up at
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Christmas Carol, the money's just not there yet. He's not
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ready to pull the trigger right another movie I thought
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off while watching this.
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At one point, she turns to Tom Hanks, and she's like,
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why did you stop painting? And he says with a
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deep well of regret, because I had to go make money,
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And like, the whole marriage just blows up right after that.
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So eventually she ends up leaving him to go live
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off her, liveout her dreams, and he's taking care of
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his dad, and eventually the dad dies Paul Bettany, and
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Tom Hanks is alone in the house, but he's painting
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now and he's trying to figure out what to do
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with the rest of his life. They have one daughter.
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She went on to be everything the mother ever wanted
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to be but couldn't in this particul the case, it
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was a lawyer. And the movie ends with the house
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has been not once, but twice sold by this point
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because Tom Hanks sold the house. It was sold to
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a black family, and there's a really kind of tortured
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extended sequence of the black father explaining to his sixteen
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year old black son, what did it do if a
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cop pulls you over? And how to not be shot
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by said cop. And on the one hand, as my
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wife and I used to say to me, or my
719
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.000
ex wife and I used to say to each other,
720
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:37.639
heard acknowledged Robert Zemeckis. Thanks. On the other hand, come on, man, like.
721
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.519
Yeah, I mean it are you?
722
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.519
Are you? You know, the eighty year old white guy
723
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:49.000
really the right messenger for that. Like it seemed seemed
724
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.480
a bit on the nose, and it did.
725
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.480
I mean, I I like, I felt like there was
726
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.079
some impact to the scene, but it also felt kind
727
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.480
of kind of shoehorned in. It's like, because because this
728
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.519
really does much more so than the graphic novel focus
729
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.800
in on on the one family. So it's like, Okay,
730
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.599
I get it. There's different families, different times, dealing with
731
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.519
different things. It's like, yeah, I I didn't have a
732
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.719
problem with the scene by itself, but yeah, with with
733
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.440
everything else, it just kind of was like, oh, hey,
734
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.280
don't forget Yeah, it seemed or there was the brief
735
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.400
COVID interlude, which I was surprised by how much I
736
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.320
disliked that I lived through the thing.
737
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.360
My friend had to tell me like, oh, she guys
738
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.840
a COVID, and I'm like, that's what that was, because
739
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.599
I I remember the first time I actually thought it
740
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.000
was potch. She was smelling.
741
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:42.519
Oh yeah, I yeah. I it was weird. How small
742
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.119
a part of the movie that was, but how like
743
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.039
uncomfortable that made me? Which I mean, we all lived
744
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.280
through it and it was a lot less miserable for
745
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.760
me than a lot of people. But I was just like,
746
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.960
I'm not sure I'm ready to see that dramatized yet,
747
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.599
Like I don't, I don't. I don't need to think
748
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.639
about how I feel about it. I pretty much know.
749
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:08.000
So I was about to say the scene screams virtue
750
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.719
signaling to me, like, I don't know if I want
751
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.599
to hear about the plight of the average black person
752
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.639
and their relationship tenuous as it is with the police
753
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:21.000
from Robert fucking Zamechis, And I don't, And I don't
754
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.119
want to be the guy that are like, you can't
755
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.360
talk about abortion unless you're a woman who's had an abortion,
756
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.360
Like I don't want to be that person. On the
757
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.840
other hand, I just like, come on, man, this is
758
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.719
right back to my my my father. Well, you're so angry.
759
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.719
What are you so angry about? You successful white person?
760
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.320
You anyway, I know someone's gonna yell at me for that,
761
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:39.079
probably someone I know.
762
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:41.679
Very You're You're you're not saying that it's like a
763
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.639
bad topic. You're just saying it wasn't effective the way
764
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.800
they presented it, and it just felt kind of shoehorned in.
765
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.960
Yeah, I think sometimes the messenger matters, and you know, again,
766
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.840
like the message that as a black kid out in
767
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.079
the world driving around, if you encounter the police, you
768
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.280
shouldn't act like an I think is a good one.
769
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.199
On the other hand, the messenger telling me that.
770
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:13.280
Also we know very little about that family as compared
771
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.800
but it's the one thing they talked about. Yeah. Yeah,
772
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.880
And I get that. The idea is different people, same place,
773
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.239
different time. I get that, but it was so weighted
774
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.320
toward the one family that it it does. It just
775
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.320
feels like, hey, we got to touch on this. Also,
776
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.079
we got to remind people COVID was a thing.
777
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.880
Yeah, it It absolutely felt that tone. So the movie
778
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.599
ends with he sold the house, the black family bought
779
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.559
the house. Then the black family moves, and right before
780
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.000
the house is sold again, Tom Hanks is allowed by
781
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.000
the realtor to bring Robin Wright back and they sit
782
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.440
down and they have that conversation of hey, we lived here,
783
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.960
and then the movie ends. I'm gonna continue for a
784
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.079
moment because I have thoughts. I like this movie a
785
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.519
lot more the second time I watched it then the
786
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.320
first time. The first time, I don't think I was
787
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.480
prepared for what I was about to see going in
788
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.079
so I was very much caught up with the gimmick.
789
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.480
And because I didn't know what this was, I did
790
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.920
no research on it. I just went in cold. This
791
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.960
movie is too weird in presentation to go in cold.
792
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.320
You kind of have to know what this is before you,
793
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.000
so you're prepared for it. Because I'm waiting for the
794
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.119
panel thing to stop? Yeah, or does it just keeps
795
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.519
going and going and going, and kind of like with
796
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.840
Cloud Autless when you keep or or The Witcher or
797
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.119
any one of these other movies where they don't bother
798
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.159
to stop the film long enough to tell you what's happening.
799
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.639
They're just doing it, and it's you know, we're here,
800
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.880
deal with it. Okay, I'm fucking lost. Though, like you,
801
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:51.880
you do have some i think inherent obligation to take
802
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.800
the audience with you on the journey you were going on.
803
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:01.440
And some people's the Wachowski's approach to filmmaking is fuck you,
804
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:06.039
We're going keep up, and if you can't, that's your problem,
805
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.440
all right. But I'm taking my wallet with me, as
806
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.079
you can see in their box office receipts. In any case,
807
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:14.599
I kind of had that issue the first time I
808
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.119
watched here, uh, because I'm like, I'm kind of growing
809
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.519
along with it. I'm like, what does this have to
810
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.159
do with the price of tea in China? What is
811
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.920
happening here? Why does the lazy boy guy, sorry, the
812
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.599
relax the boy, you know? Why does why is that?
813
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.199
How does that connect to Paul Bettney and his family?
814
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.039
And then we're just kind of watching. At some point,
815
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.920
my brain just crossed out all the other stuff, you know.
816
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.920
It crosses out the family dealing with influenza and living,
817
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:42.280
you know, and struggling with should I or should I
818
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.880
not take my kid in an airplane? It crosses out
819
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:48.119
the lazy boy stuff, It crosses out the Native Americans,
820
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.599
and it crosses out Ben Franklin's brother, and I'm just
821
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.239
focused on this family drama. And the family drama is
822
00:48:56.039 --> 00:49:04.360
this house is our safe haven, but it's also our
823
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:10.000
prison cell. And that's when I liked the movie a
824
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.840
lot more when I realized that, Like the first time
825
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.400
I watched it, I didn't catch it because I was
826
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:16.920
distracted and I didn't know what this was, and my
827
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.599
brain was just trying to unpack what is it that
828
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.920
I'm watching and I couldn't focus on anything else. The
829
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.079
second time, because I know how it goes, I'm able
830
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.000
to actually key into what's going on in this movie
831
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.880
and its dynamic presentation, and then I could key into
832
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.800
what Zamecas I think was trying to get at with
833
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:40.440
the script. And when I realized that the house is
834
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.400
a symbol for snake oil, I was like, this is
835
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.920
an interesting prea, this is an interesting concept, This is
836
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.119
an interesting argument that he's trying to make, and that
837
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:55.480
kind of looking back at the last seventy five years
838
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.960
of what was supposed to be like you know, American exceptionalist,
839
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.719
and it turns out it feels empty and hollow and
840
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.519
you and you as a person are dissatisfied and you're
841
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.960
looking for reasons why, and you're trying to blame something
842
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.559
because it's not fair. And I'm like, well, this is
843
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:12.400
a much more interesting picture that I thought it was
844
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.920
going and I can't wait to talk about it with
845
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.519
Evan Bevans to talk about it. Evan Bevins, Well.
846
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.960
I think one of the things that has most in
847
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.119
common other than The concept with the book is I
848
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.840
think there are some you know, contrasting ideas in here
849
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.480
that don't necessarily cancel each other out. Like you know
850
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.199
we talked about was the book saying you know, these
851
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.760
little moments matter, or that in the grand scheme of things,
852
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.440
nothing matters. And I think it touches on both. So
853
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.960
I think, yeah, there's a lot of regret. There's definitely
854
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.360
you know, the symbol of the house holding them back
855
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.199
or being kind of a prison. But also I think
856
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:54.440
there's some acknowledgement that there is genuine joy and appreciation
857
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.159
in those moments even if life doesn't go the way
858
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.400
you expect. I mean, yeah, there's definitely some Hey, maybe
859
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.079
the stuff we're chasing after isn't what really matters. But
860
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.199
I don't think it says so your lives were a
861
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.679
waste right now. I think it acknowledges that even in
862
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.920
that disappointment and those detours, there can still be joy
863
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.039
and meaning when you look at what really matters instead
864
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.760
of what you're told matters.
865
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.960
It's that and I'm not coming after you. Don't don't
866
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:26.280
take this as like, don't get defensive, This isn't about you.
867
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.360
But you use that phrase like my life is a waste,
868
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.920
and it immediately got to think of like, well that
869
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:36.679
only as to find by what exactly like it? For
870
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.239
it to be a waste, you have to have a
871
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:45.840
solid like the purpose of life argument. You know, it's
872
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.599
the purpose of life like thesis statement. The meaning of
873
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:53.719
life is this. I don't know about you, but other
874
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.000
than some sort of vague ideas about you know, being
875
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.159
purpose driven, I don't know if anyone's figured out the
876
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.719
meaning of life you have, So how do you know
877
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:02.920
if your life is a waste?
878
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:07.800
Well, I was saying it in that regard, and I
879
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.920
don't I don't take offense, but in that regard as
880
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.199
Robin Wright didn't get to be a successful lawyer, Tom
881
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:18.599
Hanks wasn't a famous artist. Paul Bettany didn't, you know,
882
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.400
take the world of vacuum, sales by Storm.
883
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.079
And so else he wanted to be after the war.
884
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.159
Yeah, so at some point I think all of them
885
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:31.559
felt like failures or that they had had wasted time.
886
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:34.880
And sure you can you can make the argument that
887
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.679
they screwed up royally in some in some things, But
888
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.239
like I thought, there's a scene where you know, we
889
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.760
know that Paul Betany has anger issues. We know that
890
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.400
he has a drinking problem, and then there's that one
891
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:50.599
scene where he just goes and starts getting rid of
892
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.480
all the alcohol. And there's never a moment that says, well,
893
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.719
now I've gone to AA and everything's turned around. I mean,
894
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.480
it's still not perfect. He's still you know, blissfully unaware
895
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.960
that him telling Robin Wright that he's giving them the
896
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.320
house is not you know, the answer to all her
897
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.559
prayers and doesn't fill her with joy.
898
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:11.239
But haven't we all been, Paul bettany though I'm doing
899
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:15.159
this wonderful thing, and then and and over there, that's unappreciative, bitch.
900
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.239
It's like nothing matters. I have nothing I do, Like
901
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:19.800
why would hate me? So?
902
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.159
I mean, yeah, what what what I'm saying is is
903
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.119
they were defining success or failure in a certain way.
904
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.960
And I mean, you know, not for nothing. Raising a
905
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.800
family and making sure they know they were loved is
906
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.239
not an unimportant thing.
907
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.840
Well, it's just because as you were talking and I
908
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.679
started to kind of but like, no, he has a
909
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.880
point to make and he'll get there, so shut up
910
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:42.480
and wait for it.
911
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:44.760
But maybe fifty to fifty shot, you're.
912
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:48.000
Better than others. Let me tell you, but I'm not
913
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:49.719
waiting an hour for you to get to your point.
914
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.239
But I started to think about, like, well, maybe Robert
915
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:59.039
Simchis is saying happiness isn't in homes and isn't in things. Happiness,
916
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.920
happiness is and people. But I struggle with that because
917
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:08.960
I'm also the same person telling people in like therapy,
918
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.239
don't don't hitch your happiness to people in the sense
919
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:19.360
of your happiness you're happy because of them, Live parallel
920
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:24.159
to people, Enjoy people's companionship, you know, enjoy the intimacy
921
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.159
being around, being connected to other people brings, but don't
922
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.800
don't make them the battery for your happiness meter, because
923
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:38.440
that's a recipe for depression, that's a recipe for disappointment
924
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.920
and frustration. And I'm wondering if the Mechis was trying
925
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:48.039
to circle that with like Tom Hanks and Robin Wright
926
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.400
shouldn't have been happiness because of each other, but being
927
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.360
with each other is where the happiness lies. And I
928
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:01.760
think that also might be to ethereal for some people
929
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:02.639
to kind of grasp.
930
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:05.880
Yeah, I mean, I you know you you talked about
931
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.840
understanding the meaning of life, and if anybody's got I mean,
932
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.559
and I don't claim to, but I mean me personally,
933
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.800
I find meaning. I find meaning in in my faith
934
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:16.760
and in.
935
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:19.079
That I'm hanging on. I'm gonna let you continue. But
936
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:21.320
when I say, no, one's forget there is no unified,
937
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:23.239
agreed upon meaning of life. Right.
938
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.079
Yeah, No, I didn't. I didn't take offense at any
939
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:29.119
any of that that that that you said. But I'm
940
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:33.880
saying that's where I find meaning in trying to discern
941
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:37.119
the will of God and knowing that I've got I mean,
942
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.920
I believe that I've got to try my best. I
943
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.679
also know from experience that I'm not going to succeed
944
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.039
a lot. So believing that there's trusting that there's a
945
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.159
higher purpose, that there's forgiveness and that I mean, I
946
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.880
think I need to do things to be successful to
947
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:56.920
provide for my kids, but I also don't think I
948
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.400
have to be rich and famous to do that. And
949
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.119
so knowing that there's there's grace and that I'm not
950
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.360
you know that I'm not going to succeed at everything,
951
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.679
and I'm not gonna have all the answers, but trusting
952
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.880
that there are answers, that's that that's where I kind
953
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:16.400
of find meaning and and comfort. I don't know if
954
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.880
I if I got got to a point there, but
955
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I mean that's why I don't know if if you
956
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.239
can just nail down that Zamechas is saying happiness. Happiness
957
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:27.159
is not in things, it's in people, because, like you said, people,
958
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.840
people will let you down too, chasing after things that
959
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.880
you might not get either because of your own efforts
960
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:38.880
like thereof or circumstances beyond your control. Isn't gonna get
961
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.800
it either. But it's it's some of the little things
962
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.840
in there that I think, you know, I don't.
963
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:50.840
What if it's gratitude for existence there you go, which
964
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.880
I feel like is very Eastern philosophy. But then you're
965
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.079
gonna pull a Bible out at me and I'm gonna,
966
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.559
you know, walk off the podcast into the wilderness.
967
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:02.719
No, I don't, I kidding with you, but I'm saying, like,
968
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.519
uh here, here's another movie that I thought of, not
969
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.239
while I was watching this, but as we were talking
970
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.440
about this with the different philosophies. Is I know, I
971
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.400
saw like an extra on the DVD for Groundhog Day
972
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.440
where Harold Ramis is saying he had people of all
973
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.840
kinds of faiths and backgrounds coming up to him saying, yeah,
974
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.960
this is what, this is what, this is what we believe.
975
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.119
This is what spoke to me. You know, I have
976
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.199
my beliefs, and I can respect of the other beliefs,
977
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.760
but I also know that as human beings, we're all
978
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:33.719
made of some of the same stuff, and just because
979
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.599
we come at it from different places doesn't mean we
980
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:40.280
don't have the same feelings and fears and wants and desires.
981
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.280
Well, it's funny, I was teasing you about the Bible thing.
982
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.960
But yeah, I'm also a world class giant hypocrite because
983
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.599
I'm also the same person who read the book The
984
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.239
Laughing Jesus. It's one of my favorite books I've ever read,
985
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.920
and it was called The Laughing Jesus, okay, and they
986
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.480
talked about narcissism and one of the things. So the
987
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.400
book is brought into two into into two parts, and
988
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.599
the first half kind of demystifies the Jesus myth. One
989
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.119
of the things it says about the Jesus myth is
990
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.679
that every religion has a Jesus myth, like the story
991
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:16.559
of the of you know, the the Immaculate conception, you know,
992
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:21.800
the raising of the child, and the child becoming the prophet,
993
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.559
and then the prophet being sacrificed for the good of
994
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.079
the people. That kind of a thing that happens in
995
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.119
a lot of different religions. Like, it's not the book's
996
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.519
point that it was making was that a lot of
997
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:38.880
the a lot of the cornerstones of traditional Christianity are
998
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:42.280
shared among a variety of different religions.
999
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.719
Okay, and see, I I could get defensive and go,
1000
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.199
how dare you? But there are parallels all over the place.
1001
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.760
Now I say that because I'm sitting here thinking about
1002
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.360
like Eastern philosophy, and you're like, some of the Eastern
1003
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:59.880
philosophy you're talking about rattlicch is actually in the Western Bible.
1004
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.719
Oh okay, yeah, because we're all human and we all
1005
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.840
have the you know, we all have you know, the
1006
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.320
same well DNA is not the right word, but I mean,
1007
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.239
we all have these experiences. So you know, Now, do
1008
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.719
I believe they come from one source and people other
1009
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.159
people may believe they come from another? Okay, But I
1010
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:24.960
mean I don't think that those parallels, you know, cheap
1011
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.239
in my beliefs, or that my belief discounts other people's
1012
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:31.960
feelings and experiences you know what I mean.
1013
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:36.320
Yeah, all of this to say that clearly I don't
1014
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.440
think the critics got this movie was someone's like, what
1015
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.360
are they talking about again? We're talking about the fact
1016
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.119
that the critics reacted harshly to this movie, and we're
1017
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:48.119
trying to kind of unpack why I think you and
1018
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:50.159
I didn't have really a dog in this hunt. We're
1019
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:54.039
just sort of reacting to the media as it is.
1020
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:58.239
And I think a lot of the critics were way
1021
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:02.079
too challenged by what Zamechas is doing to react that harshly,
1022
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.760
because transitioning to pure craft, if you want to say,
1023
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.440
here is a little too schmaltzy. I also think that's
1024
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:20.000
just your your emotional reaction to that kind of theme,
1025
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.159
that that kind of emotion, And you know, I don't know,
1026
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:25.800
I'm gonna go as far as to say, like I
1027
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:27.840
was why I brought up my dad. You're probably a
1028
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.800
little bitter because I'm watching this and I don't have
1029
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.519
that kind of bitterness. I also don't have I'm forty nine,
1030
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:36.679
not seventy nine, so I'm I'm coming at this movie
1031
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:38.880
a little from a little bit of a different place.
1032
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:48.559
That said, the degenerative aging technology looked pretty good. It's
1033
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.920
it's not as bad as Indiana Jones and The Dial
1034
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:57.880
of Destiny or Robert de Niro and The Irishman, where
1035
01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:59.800
it looked like it definitely looked like an old man
1036
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:04.840
was being puppeteered. On the other hand, they don't ask
1037
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.079
Tom Hanks to like fight his way through train cars,
1038
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.000
so you know, a lot of that movie, though a
1039
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.920
lot of this movie is him or Robin Wright kind
1040
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.519
of just standing around or walking around this one particular
1041
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:21.159
set piece. There's not a lot asked of them, so
1042
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.679
you're not asking the AI to do as much heavy lifting,
1043
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.480
which I think worked in the film's favor. What do
1044
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:27.039
you think?
1045
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.280
Yeah, although I can see Richard linklater going AI, you
1046
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.159
just started filming this forty years ago.
1047
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.519
Outside of that, like, I think the use of like
1048
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:41.960
the panel technology kind of reminded me of thinking back
1049
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.400
on it, kind of reminded me of Angle's Hulk, right,
1050
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:48.679
and where Anglee's like thinking this is to have real panels.
1051
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.639
Yeah, when we started talking about this and the panels,
1052
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.880
I'm like, maybe I should mention Angle's Hulk.
1053
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.559
There's a lot of that going on in this movie.
1054
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:57.519
Just like you're in here.
1055
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.320
I we're connected, but.
1056
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:04.920
I'm sorry, it's like you're in here.
1057
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.599
I wanted to make a joke. It's like we're connected, man,
1058
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:12.840
like the you know, the Heathen, and then I don't
1059
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:17.800
know the followers whatever you are that I can't like
1060
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.039
super religious person, and I couldn't come up with a
1061
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.199
good like alliteration with Heathen.
1062
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:30.079
He then the astat TPT Holy Man. Sure, the Heathen,
1063
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.719
which I'm thinking of the Eddie Murphy movie now, but.
1064
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:34.840
Wonderful we should pitch The Heathen and the Holy Man
1065
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:36.199
as a fucking television.
1066
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:41.440
Show or a podcast. Sure, not really that holy uh.
1067
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:48.119
Other than that, Like, it's so funny because we only
1068
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:53.760
deal with this one family for see the fifties to
1069
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.280
what two thousand and three, early two thousands. Yeah, yeah,
1070
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:04.239
so for like a fifty year period, but like fifty
1071
01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.880
to one hundred years prior to that, there's like eighty
1072
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:11.519
seven different storylines we're following. Yeah, Ben Franklin's brother, the
1073
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.880
family that has the house son Yeah sorry Ben, Yeah, yes,
1074
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.000
there's they you know, there's the couple where and I
1075
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.559
swear to god, I laughed at this because the fight
1076
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.920
that the woman in the and her husband are having
1077
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:29.599
over whether or not he should be in a fucking
1078
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.960
airplane is every fight I've ever had with a woman ever.
1079
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.679
I have big dreams and big ideas, and I want
1080
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.639
to do wild and crazy things, and the woman's like
1081
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:42.239
everything about you is insane. Stop it code be normal.
1082
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:43.840
You're near the eraodrome.
1083
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.679
Who'd want this? You know? And then it's like, I'm
1084
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:49.000
gonna take my I don't want my kid to be
1085
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.159
the anxious mess you are. I'll go take her up
1086
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:52.719
with me. Why would you do that? And butter in
1087
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.760
danger and it's like you're both kind of making valid points.
1088
01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:00.480
But I'm with the guy that's me. So there's that, Uh,
1089
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.480
there's there's Did you get the sense that the wife
1090
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.000
of the guy in the in the relaxed boy scenes
1091
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:13.760
was like a hooker that he married? No, okay, I thought.
1092
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.159
They were genuinely happy, even before he was.
1093
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:18.679
I didn't say they worried. That doesn't answer my question.
1094
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:20.119
That's no, I didn't.
1095
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:22.000
I didn't think of her as a hooker. I mean,
1096
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:24.440
she she did seem a little out of his league.
1097
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.199
But in the first scene we see her, she's vacuuming
1098
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:29.480
and just like a bra.
1099
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:33.280
What do you wear when you vacuum mark.
1100
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:37.760
A full three piece suit because propriety, sir. No, I'm
1101
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:39.480
trying to say that.
1102
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:41.199
Hey, I think I've got your next TikTok.
1103
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.599
I feel like she was dressed a little like a
1104
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:52.440
floozy in that time period. She was in her house mark,
1105
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.079
she seemed I don't know, she was by herself, just
1106
01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.960
trying Robert Zamachis and the few people that saw this movie.
1107
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.079
Maybe I'm projecting, but I don't know. It feels like
1108
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.760
it feels like a proper woman would have worn more
1109
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:08.480
clothing while vacuuming. And there she's all lucy goosey and
1110
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:11.360
kind of silky pajama things and a bra top, and
1111
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.000
I'm like, for God's sakes, woman put some clothes on.
1112
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.079
Okay, Now, if you had to bet who was going
1113
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.000
to go on the puritanical ranch about all a woman's
1114
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:25.559
vacuum in her own home, who would you have placed
1115
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:26.119
your money on.
1116
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:31.079
I'm just saying I feel like that was signaling something
1117
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:32.639
that they don't follow through on.
1118
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:36.440
She's comfortable in her own skin.
1119
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:41.599
Okay, since we don't know, we really have no clue.
1120
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.880
I'm gonna leave it at that. I'm just saying I
1121
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.599
needed to ask that question the podcast, we're talking about
1122
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:50.320
a movie, and that's a thought that I had, Like,
1123
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:52.840
I think he married a hooker. That's a hooker he married.
1124
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:56.480
He he's taming a hooker, that guy, and she's into
1125
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:58.599
it because he's about to become a rich person who
1126
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:03.559
invented the lazy boy. I see what you're all about.
1127
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:05.920
And I was like, they're in love. How nice?
1128
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:08.639
You or I are not the same person? All right?
1129
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.239
Anything else about the craft review of this movie, because
1130
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.199
like I said, I really like it. I think it
1131
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.639
was well made. I don't think people are going to
1132
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:21.960
get it. This definitely feels like a movie. It's on
1133
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.159
Netflix right now. It feels like a movie that might
1134
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.239
be appreciated and a little more ablely digested at home
1135
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:29.599
than in the theater.
1136
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:34.039
Yeah, I can see that. One of the things I
1137
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:36.760
said earlier on was that I thought the book in
1138
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.320
the movie were only going to have the concept in common,
1139
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.760
and so it was neat to see, you know, and
1140
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:44.480
somebody who didn't know it was a book or hadn't
1141
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.639
read it wouldn't appreciate this. But some of the things
1142
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.719
that were almost panel straight out of it.
1143
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:51.840
It's a joke. I had to turn to my friend
1144
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.400
and like, that's in the book. I know that that's
1145
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:53.800
in the book.
1146
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:02.360
One thing that I thought was different was in the book.
1147
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.639
I felt like the book was a lot more mundane
1148
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.360
in the events that depicted. I mean, like, so you
1149
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:10.679
have the guy who invented the Lazy Boy right there,
1150
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.039
you apparently have the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs
1151
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.880
within line of sight, striking within line of sight of
1152
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.119
the house. Sorry, and it's just like, I mean, I
1153
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:22.320
don't know. It was like, well, part of the point
1154
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.840
of this is, you know, mundane life and how it
1155
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.760
fits into the grand cosmic scale, not you know, did
1156
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.440
you know the Lazy Boy was invented half a mile
1157
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:32.280
from where the dinosaurs were wiped out.
1158
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.920
That was actually a criticism from William Bibiani that he
1159
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.719
didn't like this movie because it felt like it insisted
1160
01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.079
upon itself, like come on, oh.
1161
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.159
You found my reviewer pen name, I see William Bibiani.
1162
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.559
Okay, damn it. I didn't realize you guys are the
1163
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:50.079
same person.
1164
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:51.719
Uh.
1165
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.119
One of the things he said in their review of
1166
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.039
this uncritical and critically claimed was he was like, for
1167
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:58.960
this movie to work, you have to believe that all
1168
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:00.920
of these things are taking place in that one spot
1169
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.920
at that time, to the point where they have to
1170
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.159
invent reasons to not be in the dining room. And
1171
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:09.559
it's like, come on, I live in a house. You
1172
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.360
use more rooms than this. It doesn't all happen in
1173
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.119
the living room. That's fair.
1174
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.800
Yeah, I get that, and I do you know I
1175
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:23.079
mentioned at one point, you know, Alan Silvestri was part
1176
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:25.960
of the returning Forrest Gump team. Alan Silvestri is my
1177
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.960
favorite composer after John Williams. I mean, who can top
1178
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.479
John Williams. But you know he did this, He did
1179
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.319
Forrest Gump, he did The Avengers. I mean, at one
1180
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.159
point I wrote, Okay, this is kind of predictable, to
1181
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:39.880
the point where I want to dislike some of it,
1182
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:42.680
but I'm feeling stuff. And then I see the credits,
1183
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.600
I'm oh, of course it was Allan Silvestry tugging at
1184
01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:46.319
my heart strings.
1185
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.439
Before we close off, because I now I've kind of
1186
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:53.279
developed a format for comic strip all these months later.
1187
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:59.439
Key differences narrative structure. The comic is nonlinear and collage like,
1188
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:03.079
offering leading glimpses across time with neuro central narrative the
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film builds a more traditional story, focusing on one family
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character focus. The comic lacks central characters. It's about the place.
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The film humanizes the location by following recurring figures portrayed
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by Hanks and Wright. Visual language, McGuire's comic is a
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formalist exploration of layout with nested time panels. The film
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uses visual effects to create fluid transitions and emotional resonance
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themes will. While both focus on time, memory, and change,
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the comic leans towards the philosophical and observational. The film
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and deck sentimentality and existential depth, emphasizing human connection, haha
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and five artistic mediums. The comic experiments with graphic design
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and paneling, while the film leans into digital effects and
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performance modern filmmaking. Everyone, I'll give you the last word
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on this here experience.
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Oh I see what you did here? Actually, after your
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your summary of the similarities and differences, my main thought is, uh,
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if our mutual friend Jesse Starter started a band, it
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should be Jesse and the nested time panels.
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I once saw Jest. The nested time panels open up
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from Metallica and n and asa, I'll seum.
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Oh wow, here that's not too far from where the
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meteor that killed the dinosaurs struck. I don't know, I've
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got nothing here. I think I've said most of what
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I wanted to say about it. I enjoyed it. It, Uh,
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neither one quite met my expectations, but that that was
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mostly in a good way. I I mean honestly, when
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I was going to the movie, I was like, Okay,
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it's gonna be interesting how they do it. But I'm
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not all that, you know, this was this was something
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I was like, maybe I'll watch that at some point,
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I don't know, and then you're like, hey, it's a
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gravin on and I'm like, yeah, okay, I can see that.
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But it wasn't anything that I was like, oh no,
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I can't I don't want to watch this. Nor was
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it anything I was like, I can't wait to see
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how how the the Gump team, uh, you know, handles
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things thirty years later. But so it was overall and
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that positive.
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Alrighty, Well, the next time, Evan Evans will be here
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as we work our way through comic books adapted into movies.
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July nineteenth, We're gonna do the Hercules book and the
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movie from twenty fourteen, starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson.
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Somebody's still got to find those comics.
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And then on August sixteenth, we're gonna do Pneumona, which
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that is a Netflix movie that is also a graphic
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novel that won all kinds of awards, and then in
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November of November twenty second, so we'll be skipping a
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few months. But I think no, because I backfilled with
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triple features. So where's your name, Evan Eman?
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Nope, I don't remember us talking about Pnemona. I'm not opposed.
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I just didn't remember that.
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Yeah, I gave you like a whole list of stuff
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and kind of looked you out for the year. Okay,
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so I said August, Oh, okay, I don't know why
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I couldn't find you before. So in September, we're doing
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a triple feature Oblivion, snow Piercer, and The Fountain, all
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adapted from comic book series, but don't have a particular
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graphic novel as such or there. I remember when I
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did the research for this, there was something that connected
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these three movies together that had tangentially to do with
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comic books.
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Well know, Oblivion like started out as a screenplay. He
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couldn't get it made he started, then he turned it
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into a comic and then they were like, hey, we
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should make a movie.
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Out of this. Right, I knew there was something along
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the line. So yes, Oblivion, Snow Piercer and the Fountain
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will be a triple feature that we're doing. I said
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in October. Uh oh, October. I haven't run this by
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you yet. I don't know if you're gonna want to
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do this. But again, this is more stuff that this is.
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These are movies based on comic books, so it fits
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in Armylou But I don't know if you're actually gonna
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want to talk about these. Okay, Spawn, Faust, Love of
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the Damned, and Dylan Dog Dead of Night.
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I haven't seen any those. I've heard of all of
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them except the foulest one.
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Yeah, that was another one chat Chypt recommended when I
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was like, what goes with the Spawn that we haven't
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done yet? So there's that November, like I said, is
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a polar and pix for December.
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I don't know. I'm going back to our chat. I mean,
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I'm I'm game for all of these, but I don't
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remember talking about a lot we didn't.
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I assigned them to you and Okay, well, I decided
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what we were doing for the rest of the You're
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gonna got tired of asking you.
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That's no that that's fine. I just well, i'll tell
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you off off the air. Why that weirded me out
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for a second.
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Okay, either way that I decided that's what we're doing
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for the rest of the year. And if I have
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to move the dates, that's fine, but at least I
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have the topics.
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Okay.
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Yeah, so yeah, I decided that a representative democracy wasn't
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working for me anymore, so I went full dictator.
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I hear that's orated sometimes. I've always said you're a dictator.
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That's what everyone says about me, Evan, and I lean
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into it, all right. So that's what's going on in
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the future for us. This past week Father's Day, myself
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and Jesse read all thirty issues and crossover issues of
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the Darth Vader comic from the mid teens, and Jesse
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still hasn't forgiven me for making him read thirty comics
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for a single show. I'm now put on a twelve
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to fifteen issue cap so I get this.
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A lot of his shows are just one issue.
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It's fair. So on Monday, myself and Robert reviewed How
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to Train Your Dragon the live action. It was as
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good as you think it is. There was nothing on
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Tuesday when Day, myself, Alexis and Jesse reviewed the critic
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seasons one and two. On Thursday, by my book, Mac
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Kettner kind of bailed me out of a jam because
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he wanted to talk about cloud out lists and Sean wasn't,
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unfortunately able to make this show. So myself and Mac
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did a director focused on the Wachowski sisters. We will
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looked at Bound, which you know, cloud out lists and
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Jupiter Ascending. Tomorrow, myself and Jesse are going to do
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at an extra source material for this month. We're looking
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at All Stars Superman because that is the book that
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the new Superman movie is seemingly based on, so I
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wanted to check that out. Yeah, Monday, we're reviewing Ilio,
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the new Pixar movie. Thursday, we close out Pride month
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by talking about Milk Kinsey and Lizzie and I Believe, Oh,
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and Friday, I keep getting this. Friday, myself and Jesse
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we returned to and returning an old gag reel from
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an Antman comic review where we were making jokes about pink,
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Darren Cross being LGBTQ Hulk and Jesse said a really
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funny thing. He said, hit it, Darren, and I've never
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stopped laughing about it. So we're going to turn that
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little bit of silliness into a dubstep song. Okay, tell
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them where they can find you.
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Well, you can find me if you find my views fascinating,
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but my voice grading. You can find my writing at
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asterisk fifty one dot blogspot dot com. Don't have a
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major project at this point, but I have some, you know,
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semi regular features, like missing links where I go and
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read issues that I missed the first time around. Just
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found the first part of a two part spider Man
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Hult crossover a couple of weeks ago. Read the first
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issue thirty some years ago. No, read the second issue
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thirty some years ago, read the first issue this week. Uh,
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that's under hashtag missing links.
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I do.
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Uh.
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I do delve into movies without the craft focused guidance
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of Mark rat Alice, occasionally with Dollar Tree Cinema. Just
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whatever movies I can find, or I could have found
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at Dollar Tree. They stopped carrying movies now. Fortunately I
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hoarded way too many, So yeah, you can find me there.
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I also taught comics with Jesse from time to time
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on unspoken issues or or source material. We just recorded
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a couple of Unspoken Issues episodes, and once a month
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he and I put our heads together for Snap material
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to talk about the mobile mobile Marvel card game Marvel
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Snap Awesome.
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All right, folks, thank you for joining us here on
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the comic strip. For Evan Bevans, I have to pee,
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be well, be saved, and behave grassgain Cascain, got Gottain