Head Case

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Brian Wringer: In this episode, we chew on the question of an unreasonable first bike, consider the rights and rules of tire pluggery, and we explore what's lurking in the darker corners of our cavernous headspaces.
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Brian Wringer: Scary in there.
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Brian Wringer: Whoa.
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Brian Wringer: Then Gear Check follows up after exploding Brian's Visa all to pieces, and Jordan Liebman brings us your man Joey Dunlop.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Did you ride today, Robin?
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Robin Dean: I did not.
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Robin Dean: I'm supposed to ride tomorrow.
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Robin Dean: I did not ride yesterday.
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Robin Dean: Usually, Tuesday is the, hey, man, what you doing?
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Robin Dean: We'll ride kind of moment.
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Robin Dean: Didn't happen.
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Robin Dean: I actually elected not to because we got a full night of rain here in New Mexico, and I got, my sleep was so good.
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Robin Dean: Oh, nice.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It was great.
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Brian Wringer: You needed that.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it was all right.
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Brian Wringer: You're a little sloppy out there.
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Brian Wringer: Of course, yeah, you stick to the pavement, but yeah, still.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Probably gets a little dirty and muddy in the places that shall not be named.
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Robin Dean: I am little to zero prepared for this.
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Robin Dean: I do not have a random song in the minute this round, so I was hoping maybe.
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Robin Dean: Oh, no.
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Robin Dean: Do you have anything that comes to mind, a random song in the minute for our listeners?
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Brian Wringer: I have really lame taste in music.
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Brian Wringer: The random YouTube channel of the moment.
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Brian Wringer: Look up a cat named Gumbus.
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Robin Dean: A cat named Gumbus.
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Robin Dean: Gumbus the cat.
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Robin Dean: Wyoming Wolfpack Press.
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Robin Dean: He's all over the place.
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Robin Dean: This is like a whole thing.
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Robin Dean: What's the deal?
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Brian Wringer: Gumbus is a cat that doesn't have any teeth.
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Brian Wringer: He's walleyed as hell.
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Brian Wringer: And she's got these big weird eyes, and the owner is just bug nuts, puts together the weirdest videos featuring Gumbus the cat.
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Brian Wringer: Gumbus.
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Brian Wringer: That's been my day and a half obsession.
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Brian Wringer: I'll move on to something else.
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Robin Dean: Long ago, I don't even remember which article it was.
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Robin Dean: I wrote that pointed to combustion, and it had two diagrams.
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Robin Dean: It had the old school suck, squeeze, bang, blow diagram in there.
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Robin Dean: But they were GIFs.
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Robin Dean: They were animated GIFs.
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Robin Dean: And they're good.
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Robin Dean: Somebody has modernized and upped the ante.
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Robin Dean: Shout out to Ari over at RevZilla, because he did the reverse break bleed, which I recorded badly a long time ago for the site.
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Robin Dean: It was like low-grade digital video for ADP.
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Robin Dean: We did it.
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Robin Dean: The point is the instructions are there, but he actually was like, let's get this.
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Robin Dean: Let's bring in the budget and got a really great video of how to do that.
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Robin Dean: And they now make a system that you can order pretty cheap if you go the reverse route.
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Robin Dean: Personally, I'm kind of into the speed bleeders still, but whatever.
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Robin Dean: Complementing that, somebody took the very same graphics that show the combustion process for both two and four strokes side by side.
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Robin Dean: And they've made beautiful Instagram posts that represent those two graphics much more in detail, much better looking for sure.
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Robin Dean: And the animations are spot on.
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Robin Dean: More better.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Robin Dean: More better pictures.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, man.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: So I linked those in the thing.
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Robin Dean: That's about it.
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Robin Dean: That's all I got.
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Brian Wringer: How about you?
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Brian Wringer: End of the month, looking forward.
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Brian Wringer: Got a trip coming up to Tennessee, North Carolina, Smoky Mountains.
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Brian Wringer: It'll be interesting to see.
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Brian Wringer: Last year we did dual sport right there.
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Brian Wringer: And Hurricane Helene, they were still cleaning up.
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Brian Wringer: And I mean, there were entire towns that vanished.
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Brian Wringer: Pretty crazy.
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Brian Wringer: Hopefully this year it'll be interesting to see how the recovery is going.
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Brian Wringer: This time around we're on street bikes because, you know, Tim's got to break in his new Triumph.
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Brian Wringer: Got to get that nice and crispy.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Be fun to bring some tourist dollars to the area and hoping to see the recovery making good progress.
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Brian Wringer: I'm still stalling on my fork seals.
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Brian Wringer: And yeah, speaking of bleeding, I need to bleed the front brakes on that bike.
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Brian Wringer: Is the root beer colored yet?
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Brian Wringer: No, not really.
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Brian Wringer: Just a little bit of travel before they really dig in and bite.
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Brian Wringer: I have not upgraded that bike to stainless lines yet.
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Brian Wringer: And maybe I should.
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Brian Wringer: Although it's a giant, giant pain in the butt because it's ABS.
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Brian Wringer: And so there's brake lines going back here and through here and down there.
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Brian Wringer: And it's a horrible job.
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Robin Dean: Does that involve any plug-in, computer, open up the servo for all that?
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Robin Dean: Or is that built into the system?
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Robin Dean: Do you have that access on the dash?
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Brian Wringer: No, I don't.
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Brian Wringer: See, that's the other issue.
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Brian Wringer: If you replace the brake lines, then yeah, you're going to have to bleed the ABS unit.
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Brian Wringer: And I don't know of a good way to do that on that year without the dealer tool.
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Brian Wringer: So, yeah.
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Robin Dean: If you stall long enough, the fork seals, they'll fix themselves, man.
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Robin Dean: These things tend to work themselves out.
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Robin Dean: You'll be fine.
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Robin Dean: Sure, they'll be fine.
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Robin Dean: Just show up at the track, wipe it off before you go to tech.
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Robin Dean: It'll be fine.
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Robin Dean: If you save them for when I get there, we can do both.
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Brian Wringer: Going to need fork oil.
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Brian Wringer: Fork fluid, fork seals, it's about 80%, 90% of the work is done with fork fluid.
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Brian Wringer: And my FJ is way overdue for fork fluid anyway.
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Brian Wringer: Am I reading this right?
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Brian Wringer: There's a lot of stuff we used to do that we don't anymore.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know if it's because it didn't work or we ran out of material.
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Robin Dean: You just got to bring it up.
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Robin Dean: It's your show.
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Brian Wringer: What I had here is maybe we should dip into the alliteration grab baguette sometime.
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Robin Dean: I have a book.
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Robin Dean: I have the Sierra County Artists Directory.
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Robin Dean: It's a listing of artists, art locations, healing arts, artful eateries, artful adventures, hot springs, and spas.
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Robin Dean: This should be perfect for our usage.
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Robin Dean: Go to page 14.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: Got it.
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Brian Wringer: Got it.
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Brian Wringer: Are there words on this page?
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Brian Wringer: There are words on this page.
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Brian Wringer: Go 10 lines down and tell me the fourth letter.
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Robin Dean: 1, 2, 10.
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Robin Dean: P as in pizza.
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Brian Wringer: Under P, we have passing perfection.
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Brian Wringer: Tales and techniques related to finding the forefront against impediment.
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Brian Wringer: You told one of these last time, to be honest.
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Robin Dean: I did.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to tell it again.
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Robin Dean: Last week, on a particular day, I was going to ride Road X.
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Robin Dean: I met up with a friend.
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Robin Dean: That friend was like, hey, turns out I can't go.
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Robin Dean: It's like, all right, that's all right.
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Robin Dean: You want me to get you a sandwich?
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Robin Dean: They said yes.
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Robin Dean: So off I went.
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Robin Dean: And as I pulled out of the gas station parking lot, a young gentleman on a blue Kawasaki equivalent of the Bandit 1200 hopped out behind me, proceeded to pass me in the main street on the way to where things get good, and then proceeded to, as one might predict, struggle with cornering.
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Robin Dean: You could say suck here.
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Robin Dean: Anyway.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, well, I could.
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Robin Dean: But then we got stuck behind a car.
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Robin Dean: And before the very first corner, I knew that the road was about to get good.
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Robin Dean: I had a full field of view.
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Robin Dean: I looked deep to my right and had the entire horizon and decided, yes, I am going to pass both of these vehicles on the double yellow.
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Robin Dean: So I did the full rainbow pass right in the corner.
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Robin Dean: As the front bumper of the car touched the entry of that turn, I was in the oncoming lane going around both the rider in front of me and the car ahead of that rider, then brought it back into a delayed apex at the perfect entry point, had it completely straight, and I was gone.
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Robin Dean: That is story number one for me, sir.
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Robin Dean: What about you?
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Robin Dean: It may have been a dumbass pass.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: But you were a witness to this.
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Brian Wringer: We were in Kentucky.
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Brian Wringer: It was just before lunch.
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Brian Wringer: We were behind a semi, a tanker truck.
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Brian Wringer: I was like, no problem.
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Brian Wringer: We're going to be turning off in three minutes at a very small road.
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Brian Wringer: There's no conceivable way this truck would need to go down that road.
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Brian Wringer: Couldn't possibly happen.
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Brian Wringer: Little tiny, very, very twisty road.
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Brian Wringer: They'll take us almost all the way to lunch.
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Brian Wringer: Sure enough, the tanker truck turned down this road, and there we were.
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Brian Wringer: Trying to think of a nice way to say this.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, it's a truck.
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Brian Wringer: It sucks.
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Brian Wringer: Whatever.
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Brian Wringer: They're just there.
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Brian Wringer: They got to do what they got to do.
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Brian Wringer: It's a job.
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Brian Wringer: We came around a certain corner, and then what I could see before me looked like a giant Tupperware bowl.
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Brian Wringer: The road we were on went like three-quarters of the way around this bowl and then wiggled off into the distance.
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Brian Wringer: And we were at such a vantage point that we could see the entire road for probably a mile, maybe more.
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Brian Wringer: Not a soul on it.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: No mailboxes, because nobody lives on the lip of this bowl.
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Brian Wringer: It was like this crater.
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Brian Wringer: Like something hit the earth here.
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Brian Wringer: And yeah, it happened.
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Brian Wringer: My right wrist twitched, unreasonably so, and I was gone.
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Brian Wringer: For shame.
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Brian Wringer: For shame.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it was a shameful moment.
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Brian Wringer: Lost all decency.
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Robin Dean: Assumed risk is a big thing.
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Robin Dean: You assumed a certain level of risk.
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Robin Dean: You were confident in your decision.
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Robin Dean: You made the decision.
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Robin Dean: You went for it.
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Brian Wringer: Well, and the fun part of this was I'm like, wow, okay.
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Brian Wringer: I thought about it later.
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Brian Wringer: I was like, man, that may have been pretty sketchy.
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Brian Wringer: But oh, well, Robin's right there behind me.
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Brian Wringer: Never mind.
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Brian Wringer: It couldn't have been that bad.
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Brian Wringer: Off we go.
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Brian Wringer: Couldn't have been that silly.
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Robin Dean: In our defense, there was no, are we going?
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Robin Dean: Are we passing?
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Robin Dean: Brian, what are we?
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Robin Dean: There was none of that.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Maybe I was egging you on a little bit, but I knew, yeah, no, we got this.
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Robin Dean: Boom.
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Robin Dean: We could see.
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Robin Dean: The trick is, do you have a full field of view?
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Robin Dean: Can you predict the wildlife?
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Robin Dean: Is it an open perspective?
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Robin Dean: If it is, yeah, man, you know.
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Brian Wringer: Well, and here's the thing.
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Brian Wringer: That road was so narrow that it didn't have a line in the middle.
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Brian Wringer: Uh-huh.
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Brian Wringer: No double line.
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Brian Wringer: Looked legal to me.
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Robin Dean: We thought it was a one-way.
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Robin Dean: It was a one-way street.
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Robin Dean: Trying to think if I have a better one.
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Robin Dean: Let's just say the one time I was riding with Rider A, and I'll be Rider B, and Rider A repeatedly said, yeah, I totally agree.
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Robin Dean: When you go to pass a semi-truck, make sure you get it done.
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Robin Dean: I always do.
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Robin Dean: I always get it done, says Rider A.
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Robin Dean: And Rider B follows Rider A in an expressway environment into the far left lane to go around this truck.
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Robin Dean: And Rider A then hangs out next to the truck.
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Robin Dean: And Rider B is waiting to figure out why that has happened.
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Robin Dean: Curse you, Rider A, said Rider B.
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Robin Dean: And then Rider B rolled off the throttle, bucked back behind this semi-truck, went to the right, passed him on the right, got in front of Rider A, and now Rider B became Rider A.
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Brian Wringer: Brian, you were Rider A.
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Brian Wringer: I don't even remember all this.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: I think I remember somebody complaining.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: There was some reason for this.
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Brian Wringer: I don't like hanging around next to trucks.
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Brian Wringer: There was some reason.
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Brian Wringer: But anyway, that's a fun segment.
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Robin Dean: I'm glad that we thought of it with no help from our listeners at all.
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Robin Dean: Moving right along.
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Brian Wringer: Filled in the entire alphabet.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Brian Wringer: Next up is listener questions and or questions from the wild.
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Brian Wringer: First of note, if you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message.
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Brian Wringer: So questions from the wild.
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Brian Wringer: I have no idea what Robin's going to say here.
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Brian Wringer: So that's why I think this is interesting.
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Brian Wringer: Some guy, SGS, is a new GSX-8R a good first bike?
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Brian Wringer: Is it the worst first bike?
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Robin Dean: No.
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Robin Dean: Is it the best first bike?
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Robin Dean: No.
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Robin Dean: Here is my experience with the GSX-8R for my first year and beginning my second on it.
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Robin Dean: Fully paid off, 15,000 miles on it.
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Robin Dean: Here's what I can tell you.
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Robin Dean: That bike is very easy to ride.
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Robin Dean: It is also greatly forgiving.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: That said, there is a certain slope of skill that will change as the RPMs go up.
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Robin Dean: And it's not the lightest bike.
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Robin Dean: It is an 800cc motor hanging from a standard posture.
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Robin Dean: Well, modern standard posture sport bike chassis.
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Robin Dean: Zero to 4,000 RPMs, it will feel almost like a learner bike if you're comfortable in that posture.
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Robin Dean: From about 4,000 RPMs to 6,000 RPMs, you'll begin to realize that it does have power and can go if asked.
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Robin Dean: After 6,000 or 7,000 RPMs, first off, you can start to see your fuel gauge go down because it gets far thirstier.
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Robin Dean: And second off, it begins to explain to you all that you didn't know about it at that one moment.
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Robin Dean: That's when it begins to really pull.
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Robin Dean: Does it have high horsepower?
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Robin Dean: No, not really.
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Robin Dean: But does it get really angry when you have a certain gear ratio going at a certain RPM range?
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Robin Dean: That's when you need to watch out.
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Robin Dean: We don't know who this listener is.
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Robin Dean: I've learned through fellow instructors not to judge what any human being can or can't handle when I don't know that human being.
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Robin Dean: Would I recommend it to just anybody as a good first bike?
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Robin Dean: No, I would recommend something, you know, 650 or less.
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Robin Dean: Quite honestly, I would recommend 300 to 400 CCs for your first bike.
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Robin Dean: And cheap, something you don't have to worry about because you're going to get better and you're going to upgrade soon.
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Robin Dean: But since I'm in the blind here, my answer is, I don't know for you.
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Robin Dean: If I were talking to somebody who's like, yo, then no.
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Robin Dean: If anybody starts their sentence with, hey, yo, bro, then no.
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Robin Dean: It's not a good first bike for you.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, you're standing there in Crocs and a T-shirt.
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Brian Wringer: And the one thing I would add is it's a rewarding bike.
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Brian Wringer: And that's one of the reasons you bought it.
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Brian Wringer: It rewards, like if you know what you're doing, it rewards the skill that you have there.
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Brian Wringer: So it's not the worst first bike.
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Brian Wringer: It's also not the best.
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Brian Wringer: I do really support the idea of getting a new or late model bike as a first bike because you can skip a lot of old bike and used bike BS by getting something that's in good shape so you can focus on learning and staying alive, not in that order.
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Robin Dean: I will reiterate that it is incredibly easy to ride.
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Robin Dean: The bike is very forgiving.
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Robin Dean: The wheelbase alone and the turning radius and the chassis position is extremely forgiving.
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Robin Dean: So take that where you want.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, good to know.
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Robin Dean: So you got here, KD asks, I picked up a screw in my brand new motorcycle tire.
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Robin Dean: Damn it.
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Robin Dean: Can I plug it and rock on or pony up for a new tire?
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Robin Dean: Asps, very dangerous, Cindy.
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Robin Dean: You go first.
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Brian Wringer: Okay, first off, a lot of people believe and they'll start harrumphing.
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Brian Wringer: Some people believe that you should never plug a tubeless motorcycle tire, that you should always just replace it.
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Brian Wringer: You'll die horribly, et cetera, and so on.
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Brian Wringer: Robin and I and many others can tell you that we have plugged many motorcycle tires and rocked on without any issues.
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Brian Wringer: I've never had an issue.
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Brian Wringer: It's a lot.
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Brian Wringer: I really attract crap in the tire.
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Brian Wringer: People who say replace it are not wrong, but they're also, it's not the whole story.
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Brian Wringer: It's a reasonable decision to plug a tire.
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Brian Wringer: I always carry the Neely tire plugs, I think are the best ones on the planet.
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Brian Wringer: It's spelled N-E-A-L-E-Y, but Neely tire plugs, just Google them up and then get one of their little kits.
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Brian Wringer: They're kind of skinny.
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Brian Wringer: They're sticky strings, but they're skinny, and you install them in such a way that you tie a knot inside the tire, and then you have four thicknesses of the string in the tire.
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Brian Wringer: They do a really good job of sealing weird holes and things like that, but I've never actually had a problem with just normal sticky string plugs.
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Brian Wringer: I've used Walmart plugs before, no problem.
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Brian Wringer: Basically, yeah, if you've got a hole in your tire that's just a normal hole, it's like a screw or a nail or something like that, and it's straight in, you know where it is, the more straightforward it is, the better your odds of success.
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Brian Wringer: I can say that there's these rubber plugs from Stop and Go.
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Brian Wringer: They look like a little bitty mushroom, and you put them in from the outside with a special tool.
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Brian Wringer: Those do not work in motorcycle tires.
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Brian Wringer: Been there, done that, tried it, didn't work.
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Brian Wringer: And obviously, I hope it's obvious, if the hole is like near the edge of the tire, your odds of success can get pretty low, or if it's, you know, jagged, things like that.
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Brian Wringer: We both carry an electric pump, either a battery-powered one or one you plug into the motorcycle battery.
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Brian Wringer: I have one for moto pumps.
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Brian Wringer: I spent a few bucks on it, and it's fantastic.
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Brian Wringer: It really works well.
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Robin Dean: I like that, because that's a reason for me to ride with you, sir, in case anything happens, because you'll have it.
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Robin Dean: I actually have downgraded to a hand pump, like a bicycle hand pump.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: That'll still do the job.
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Robin Dean: It'll take you longer, but it'll get done.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: You'll be there.
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Brian Wringer: You'll build up some, get your reps in on your arms.
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Robin Dean: Somebody said, left arm day.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, sticky string plug, pump it up however you can, whatever you got.
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Brian Wringer: Keep an eye on it.
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Brian Wringer: You know, cut it flush with the tire.
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Brian Wringer: Don't leave a big string flapping around to get caught.
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Brian Wringer: Keep an eye on it, check your pressure for a while, and then kind of forget about it.
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Brian Wringer: Usually my pattern, just forget it's there.
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Brian Wringer: And then motorcycle tires, when they wear out, are really surprisingly thin.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: The carcass on a lot of them is really thin.
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Brian Wringer: We've seen things.
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Brian Wringer: The upshot is the thinner the motorcycle tire gets, the more likely it is to pick up more crap and get punctured again.
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Brian Wringer: If I'm riding around on a plug, I'll usually lean toward replacing the tire a little sooner before it gets too thin and I have more punctures to deal with.
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Brian Wringer: And I don't know if they have this in the tech manual or not, but I think it's obviously not a good idea to ride a plug tire on the track.
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Brian Wringer: I think if they saw that, they would tell you to go away.
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Robin Dean: They'd send you over to the tire guys and get a tire replacement on there.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: For all the money.
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Robin Dean: It'll be a lot.
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Robin Dean: And it'll be a track tire that you won't want on public roads.
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Robin Dean: The other thing that Brian and I have had this discussion, too.
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Robin Dean: Now, Brian's the one who has taught me most of what I know about tires in general, among other people, but that was a long time ago.
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Robin Dean: You know, the horizon is fairly even now.
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Robin Dean: I will add one of the differences he and I will discuss now and then are I'll use the glue that comes with it.
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Robin Dean: The sticky string, you don't actually need the glue, but there's a rubber cement that they send and I'll still smother in that.
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Robin Dean: So I'll, you know, I'll take the little file and file out the whole thing and I'll put the sticky string in there and then I'll take the tip of the rubber cement, blast that into the outlet while I'm twisting.
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Robin Dean: And then all that do its work.
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Robin Dean: That's just, it's neither here nor there.
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Robin Dean: I've never seen somebody not do that and have a problem.
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Robin Dean: So that's up to you.
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Robin Dean: Whatever.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Point is, I mean, I would probably ride the tire and then replace it when I felt like I was done thinking about it.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: If I was sick of thinking about the plug, then screw it.
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Robin Dean: I'll get another tire.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: If it's on your mind, didn't bite the bullet.
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Robin Dean: Certainly metaphysical.
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Robin Dean: It's not going to get you.
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Robin Dean: You could write it out.
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Robin Dean: You're going to be fine.
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Brian Wringer: It's okay.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: As far as like the Neely's, you don't install them with glue, but most sticky strings that come with glue.
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Brian Wringer: So you follow the directions, you know, conversely, if you, if you open it up and your glue is dried out, go ahead, jam it in there.
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Brian Wringer: Anyway, it'll be fine.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Don't sit by the side of the road and cry.
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Robin Dean: What are we getting into with this heavy, heavy segment?
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Robin Dean: One topic, man, heavy, man, but let's keep it light.
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Brian Wringer: Cause I don't know what, what's scampering around in there.
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Brian Wringer: Let's see what, let's drag it out and see what's going on.
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Brian Wringer: I labeled this psycho activity.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know if that's a good idea.
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Brian Wringer: Or maybe something like helmet fire extinguishers.
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Brian Wringer: Not sure.
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Brian Wringer: Psychosomatic fire extinguishers.
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Brian Wringer: Not bad.
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Brian Wringer: Headcase.
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Brian Wringer: When do we reach for the helmet fire extinguisher?
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Robin Dean: If our listeners out there don't know, if you go to the site, click on the search icon and look for helmet fire, you're going to pull up an episode that will introduce you to the concept.
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Robin Dean: But what happens is extreme fatigue, extreme confusion, and then combine that with a little bit of adrenaline.
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Robin Dean: What's going on?
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Robin Dean: What am I doing?
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Robin Dean: This is Brian's complimentary.
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Brian Wringer: All right.
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Brian Wringer: So yeah, and there's a lot of territory.
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Brian Wringer: So we'll wander around, see what kind of shiny rocks we can pick up.
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Brian Wringer: So like for me, and I think for a lot of us, riding motorcycles is a really important kind of mental self-care, like taking care of your brain, calming down your brain, giving your brain things to do, that kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: We don't need to reiterate that, you know, the focus, the extreme focus on the here and now, the escape from whatever else is going on in life, you know, there's so many aspects to it.
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Brian Wringer: We don't need to belabor that.
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Brian Wringer: What we're talking about here is a little bit about kind of the mental barriers and things related to riding, what kinds of fears or barriers or like, damn it, I can't get my toes in, you know, what are these things that are going on in the head that affect your riding and what we can do about them?
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Brian Wringer: You know, we've all gotten wrapped around the axle, spun up in our thoughts, hung up on our hangups, generally psychologically freaked out and mentally mangled about something.
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Brian Wringer: What is that?
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Brian Wringer: What do you do about it?
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Brian Wringer: So we're not talking about childhood trauma, dating from, you know, when you had to get over sucking your thumb or whatever.
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Brian Wringer: We have to get over that?
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Brian Wringer: You know, we're talking about things that are talking about, oh man, just keep going.
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Brian Wringer: What are the things that affect us mentally when we're riding and what do we do about it?
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Brian Wringer: It's a great setup, man, properly loaded without too much overflow.
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Robin Dean: You know, what's your take on where you'd like to go?
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Robin Dean: Strangely complimentary and oppositional to it.
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Robin Dean: There have been rides in which I found myself in autopilot mode.
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Robin Dean: I'm still riding at the pace that I would tend to be riding at, and I am still alert to what's ahead of me and all of the controls are coordinated.
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Robin Dean: All the actions are anticipated.
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Robin Dean: I know what I'm doing, but I'm also checked out.
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Robin Dean: It can happen to anybody.
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Robin Dean: It's not the same argument as the dangers of not being alert.
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Robin Dean: It's just that, why am I riding if I'm not present?
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Robin Dean: Good point.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Oddly different things.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I remember one time you very, very politely, you called me out like around lunch or something.
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Brian Wringer: You were like, you came to me with all this concern and you said, are you okay today?
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Brian Wringer: You're not like killing it.
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Brian Wringer: Like you very politely said, you're slow today.
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Brian Wringer: What the hell's wrong with you?
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Brian Wringer: But you said it in much nicer words.
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Joanne Donn: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: You'll never say that.
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Brian Wringer: But that's what you said.
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Brian Wringer: You know, it's like, you don't look like you're here and I'm like, huh?
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Brian Wringer: I didn't say, well, I'll just be more faster in lunch.
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Brian Wringer: No, you caution to the wind, endanger this time.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: We're going all the way to 11 today.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, it was like, huh?
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Brian Wringer: That's interesting.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: And I think part of what happened is I kind of like, we got some good food, which, you know, we always do.
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Brian Wringer: Oh yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Gotta have that.
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Brian Wringer: Got some good food, got some caffeine going, kind of did a little mental reset, let go of some stuff, got a little more thoughtful about, okay, I'm on this bike today.
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Brian Wringer: Not that one, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Brian Wringer: And, and, and really I had a, it was more that I had a much better time in the afternoon.
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Brian Wringer: Like it was, I just had more fun.
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Brian Wringer: It wasn't about the pace or something like that.
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Brian Wringer: But I thought it was really interesting.
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Brian Wringer: You know, someone who knows me well and has ridden with me a lot can spot, like your brain is coming out in your, in your lines.
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Brian Wringer: It's just like, it was a form of communication.
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Brian Wringer: And I thought that was really interesting.
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Brian Wringer: It was an interesting conversation.
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Brian Wringer: And then later in the day I was like, okay, I feel better after lunch off we go.
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Robin Dean: I'll always do that for anybody I know.
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Robin Dean: I know my writing.
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Robin Dean: I know you're writing, Travis, Tim, what's up?
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:14.760
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:26:14.860 --> 00:26:18.180
Robin Dean: If I see it, but it, you know, it's never going to be what you say.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.780
Robin Dean: It's always going to be how you say it.
00:26:19.780 --> 00:26:35.120
Robin Dean: And if you can deliver the same message of not necessarily concern, not necessarily bother, just curiosity, choose your words accordingly and understand that you're not talking to somebody who's, you're not witnessing a downgrade.
00:26:35.260 --> 00:26:39.680
Robin Dean: You're witnessing a moment and it's okay to just make sure they're, make sure everybody's cool.
00:26:40.260 --> 00:26:43.540
Brian Wringer: Well, and that's part of like ride leadership is keeping an eye on your flock.
00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:45.140
Brian Wringer: You know, they're rhetorical about it.
00:26:45.620 --> 00:26:45.800
Brian Wringer: Yes.
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.540
Brian Wringer: Kind of keeping an eye on the people around you is just something we all do for each other.
00:26:50.580 --> 00:27:04.700
Brian Wringer: And people will often come up and say, I am not feeling it today, or I'm hungover or my kids being a butt and called me and, you know, I've had people do that and I'm, you know, and just be like, I'm okay, but I'm going to drop back a bit.
00:27:04.820 --> 00:27:08.820
Brian Wringer: You know, I've had people say that to me, like for themselves, that's all good.
00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:10.020
Brian Wringer: No harm, no foul.
00:27:10.260 --> 00:27:11.240
Brian Wringer: It's supposed to be a good scenery.
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.080
Robin Dean: Talked about that a couple episodes ago.
00:27:13.080 --> 00:27:20.500
Robin Dean: I had an off day and I just mellowed out and just enjoyed the beauty around me and that is allowed.
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:21.940
Robin Dean: There are no rules.
00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:23.260
Robin Dean: Oh, look, a dolphin.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:24.220
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:27:24.280 --> 00:27:24.540
Brian Wringer: Right.
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:32.640
Brian Wringer: I'll give an, I'll give an example of a, of a mental barrier that I think may need some work or something like that.
00:27:32.860 --> 00:27:34.920
Brian Wringer: Going into turn one on a track.
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:49.360
Brian Wringer: And I think it is, I think anybody feels this diving into turn one on any track is really, that's the one moment I'm like, I am not in full control of what happens here because there's all these idiots behind me, potential idiots.
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:51.780
Brian Wringer: And I don't know what they're going to do.
00:27:52.340 --> 00:28:13.880
Brian Wringer: I've got this corner, no problem, but I'm a little skeeved out by, that's the one point on the track, you know, especially on a track day, you know, when you're not in a, whatever's going on in green, but, uh, but, uh, I think that's a legitimate fear, but it's also something that like, I also have to, you know, how do you confront that?
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:15.580
Brian Wringer: I just go faster anyway.
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.700
Brian Wringer: What do you think for the first session?
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:26.540
Robin Dean: Maybe the first two sessions get in the back of the slowest group up until we are able to pass.
00:28:26.600 --> 00:28:37.280
Robin Dean: So that may be even the third session, but once they open up passing strategy, you now have the floor to go around, whoever you see fit now, you know what you're doing.
00:28:37.280 --> 00:28:43.140
Robin Dean: You know how to be mindful, respectful, considerate as you're riding around somebody on track day.
00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:45.800
Robin Dean: So now you've got a canvas to paint on.
00:28:46.040 --> 00:28:52.080
Robin Dean: You're going to go around that person, then that person, then it's going to be three Pete, six Pete, 10 people you're getting around.
00:28:52.280 --> 00:29:03.620
Robin Dean: And at some point you're going to catch up to very quickly to people who have bottlenecked everything and they are interacting in a way that is not mindful or respectful.
00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:06.000
Robin Dean: They are the blockade in front of you.
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:14.580
Robin Dean: So the trick is here you are, you're at your first instance of somebody who's probably going to get a talking to.
00:29:15.260 --> 00:29:19.900
Robin Dean: You are going to focus on when do I pass these people?
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.640
Robin Dean: It should not be just before the main straight.
00:29:24.020 --> 00:29:27.300
Robin Dean: It should not be during the main straight.
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:33.260
Robin Dean: Maybe you're at a particular corner that's somewhere in the middle of the mix and you know there's no straights coming up.
00:29:33.630 --> 00:29:39.220
Robin Dean: That's a good time to, if you're allowed to pass on the outside, get around them, dust away through the corners and you're off.
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.260
Robin Dean: Anything happens after that.
00:29:41.320 --> 00:29:42.320
Robin Dean: There's just no excuse.
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.580
Robin Dean: Repeat that over and over and over again.
00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:48.800
Brian Wringer: It's basically controlling your environment and creating space.
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:53.380
Brian Wringer: And it takes, it takes a little, so that's one of those things like it'll take a little more headspace.
00:29:53.540 --> 00:29:59.300
Brian Wringer: Like, oh, I need to remember, yeah, oh, the, uh, the, yeah, the guy on the red Ducati or the gold Aprilia.
00:30:00.040 --> 00:30:03.860
Brian Wringer: And, and yeah, if you know who you are anyway, yeah.
00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:12.880
Brian Wringer: Or the, yeah, the wire stretchers who, who parking in the corners, the ones that don't have that full control that they should.
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.180
Brian Wringer: And you know where they are, that's, that's a key.
00:30:17.620 --> 00:30:23.820
Brian Wringer: Like I have a lot of fear-based stuff, you know, I've had a lot of crash three times and I got to deal with that fear all the time.
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:31.159
Brian Wringer: And one of the ways you control your environment is with your own skill, building your own skills, having more tools in your toolbox, that kind of thing.
00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:33.520
Brian Wringer: And controlling your environment, who's around you.
00:30:33.740 --> 00:30:35.840
Brian Wringer: I don't want this person to be around me.
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:40.200
Brian Wringer: The other trick that you had mentioned, and I've seen it happen, the hot pit.
00:30:40.600 --> 00:30:41.660
Brian Wringer: Hot pit is a wonderful thing.
00:30:42.120 --> 00:30:49.380
Robin Dean: You also don't want to get caught behind this mix of riders who are causing trouble because then you're amidst them and the people behind you don't know what to do about that.
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:57.280
Robin Dean: When things really get tangled up, when the skill is mixed or the attitudes are poorly blended, the hot pit.
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:08.780
Robin Dean: Take your lap, find your exit, and just slow your roll, take a nice little journey, and then re-enter the track, stay tight and right for a good long while, and carry on.
00:31:08.840 --> 00:31:09.620
Brian Wringer: Now you have an open track.
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:10.520
Brian Wringer: I like that.
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:11.460
Brian Wringer: Control your environment.
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:13.780
Brian Wringer: Some interesting ways to do it that I hadn't thought about.
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:14.460
Brian Wringer: Oh, there I am.
00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:20.140
Robin Dean: I have no way to appropriately bridge this mention of your article on fear.
00:31:20.360 --> 00:31:33.520
Robin Dean: But one thing Brian would probably get into at this point is how to keep your head clear and if you're not feeling super confident or if there's still residual remnants of fear from an event in the past, then that can be a factor too.
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:36.500
Robin Dean: You're not fully present until you're fully present.
00:31:36.980 --> 00:31:48.380
Robin Dean: So if you want to read more about that, go to TRO.Bike, click on the search icon, and just type in the word fear or TRO.Bike forward slash motorcycle stories forward slash fear is the article URL.
00:31:48.620 --> 00:31:49.260
Robin Dean: Worth checking out.
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:50.160
Robin Dean: What's up Brian?
00:31:50.580 --> 00:31:51.200
Robin Dean: Hi Joanne.
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:55.620
Robin Dean: Which means it's time for the armory brought to you by GearChick.com.
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Brian Wringer: In your world, what is a riding mental thing that you're working on?
00:32:12.390 --> 00:32:13.230
Brian Wringer: What are you doing about it?
00:32:13.630 --> 00:32:22.310
Joanne Donn: It's probably just getting comfortable again with going as fast and riding as well as I used to.
00:32:22.610 --> 00:32:29.290
Joanne Donn: I mean, just getting comfortable with technical riding again, because I'm not, I mean, I can do it.
00:32:29.290 --> 00:32:33.490
Joanne Donn: Yes, I know how to do it and I know how to navigate tight hairpins and I know what I'm
00:32:33.490 --> 00:32:38.790
Joanne Donn: supposed to do because I've done it, but getting comfortable doing it at a certain rate of
00:32:38.790 --> 00:32:46.030
Joanne Donn: speed is certainly challenging, but just getting used to doing that activity because it's just
00:32:46.030 --> 00:32:51.030
Joanne Donn: like any sport, you know, if you're a tennis player, you have to keep playing to keep your
00:32:51.030 --> 00:32:53.750
Joanne Donn: skills up and keep getting better and improving, right?
00:32:53.870 --> 00:32:57.950
Joanne Donn: And you lose, you know, so my instincts aren't as good, my reflexes aren't as great.
00:32:57.950 --> 00:33:10.670
Joanne Donn: I mean, I can still ride, you know, decent and safe, just not as refined and as well as I'd like to be for my comfort and my true skill level.
00:33:11.270 --> 00:33:18.070
Joanne Donn: And so, yeah, I just kind of, I need to start over to a degree, you know, and just get out there and practice.
00:33:18.870 --> 00:33:19.270
Brian Wringer: Saddle time.
00:33:19.850 --> 00:33:30.150
Brian Wringer: Yeah, saddle time and even, this was last fall after a very busy season of riding, you know, we took that ARC course and I felt like I polished up quite a bit.
00:33:30.590 --> 00:33:34.870
Brian Wringer: And this, again, this was like, we were all like, we'd been riding all year and having a great summer.
00:33:35.170 --> 00:33:40.450
Brian Wringer: And even then, you know, just getting a course and focused and polished, I think a lot.
00:33:41.050 --> 00:33:43.630
Joanne Donn: Yeah, I need to look at maybe some classes this year.
00:33:43.850 --> 00:33:44.870
Joanne Donn: That would be nice.
00:33:44.950 --> 00:33:50.790
Joanne Donn: It'd be nice to take like an advanced street class or something along those lines.
00:33:50.790 --> 00:34:16.790
Joanne Donn: So, that'll probably be on my list as well, but just even getting on the motorcycle, you know, just being on it, you know, and not being anxious and not carrying the weight of the anxiety, because if you're not used to it on a continuous basis, it can, the fear can creep up to a level that you're not comfortable with because it's been a while.
00:34:16.790 --> 00:34:18.930
Joanne Donn: And I know not everybody experienced that.
00:34:19.010 --> 00:34:21.130
Joanne Donn: A lot of people are like, oh, I feel fine.
00:34:21.210 --> 00:34:25.650
Joanne Donn: And I'm really glad that a lot of people don't experience this, but I am.
00:34:26.370 --> 00:34:37.830
Robin Dean: When you do swing a leg over the bike, every instance of it, you never have to convince yourself that you are the same rider on this ride that you were on the previous ride.
00:34:38.270 --> 00:34:38.530
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:34:38.750 --> 00:34:41.690
Robin Dean: That has got to be okay with everyone out there.
00:34:41.870 --> 00:34:43.530
Brian Wringer: You just are who you are at that time.
00:34:43.650 --> 00:34:43.790
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:34:43.870 --> 00:34:44.050
Joanne Donn: Right.
00:34:44.310 --> 00:34:44.410
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:34:44.410 --> 00:34:45.530
Brian Wringer: At a given moment.
00:34:45.850 --> 00:34:46.170
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:34:46.510 --> 00:34:46.950
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:34:46.970 --> 00:34:47.390
Joanne Donn: Agreed.
00:34:47.790 --> 00:34:50.270
Joanne Donn: Forget about what happened last year, last week, last month.
00:34:50.350 --> 00:34:54.550
Joanne Donn: It's just right now, you're here now and it has to be, you have to be in it now.
00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:56.770
Joanne Donn: That's, yeah, that's part of it.
00:34:56.850 --> 00:35:08.610
Joanne Donn: And, you know, I've just kind of lost a little touch with my motorcycle self because I'm not in the same place that I was say 10, 15 years ago as a motorcyclist, even five years ago.
00:35:08.910 --> 00:35:18.210
Joanne Donn: I just have very different, my priorities are shifting and I've got other things I'm trying to take care of and my, yeah, it's like my general priorities are kind of.
00:35:18.390 --> 00:35:19.530
Robin Dean: We are still in this thing.
00:35:19.650 --> 00:35:30.690
Robin Dean: So one of the things I have a problem with is it's really easy for me to sit here and say, oh yeah, the psychological, it's very easy to navigate this conversation because all you need to do is yada.
00:35:30.870 --> 00:35:38.870
Robin Dean: But personally, I'll, I've had many times when I'm just imploding because I can't find my way to one thing to work on.
00:35:38.870 --> 00:35:46.290
Robin Dean: You know, you think about the array, the minutiae of any given overhead problem and you don't, you focus on all of it at once.
00:35:46.530 --> 00:35:51.330
Robin Dean: It can be very hard to decide on the one thing that is the best thing to focus on in that given moment.
00:35:51.950 --> 00:35:52.090
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:58.410
Joanne Donn: Just because there's so many different things that you might be worried about thinking about.
00:35:58.590 --> 00:35:58.770
Joanne Donn: Totally.
00:35:59.330 --> 00:36:00.930
Robin Dean: At the same time, it's also the solution.
00:36:01.250 --> 00:36:02.650
Robin Dean: Find the one thing to work on, right?
00:36:03.090 --> 00:36:03.610
Robin Dean: Well, yeah.
00:36:03.630 --> 00:36:05.290
Robin Dean: You're trying to self-coach basically.
00:36:05.290 --> 00:36:18.690
Joanne Donn: You just kind of reminded me, I have a lovely friend, I've mentioned Walt before and I really want to go see him and go riding with him because he's, when I've gone riding with him, he always gives really nice like feedback and I need to do that.
00:36:18.770 --> 00:36:25.430
Joanne Donn: And he's also, you know, he and his wife Nancy also just make it really easy and comfortable to go ride.
00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:33.310
Joanne Donn: You know, it just, it's a very stress-free, like low key chill ride and it's a very social and positive time.
00:36:33.310 --> 00:36:42.550
Joanne Donn: So it makes it a lot easier to be open and also to focus on getting better and working on technique and stuff like that.
00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:47.130
Joanne Donn: And at the same time, trying to make sure I'm, you know, impressing him sometimes.
00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:48.010
Joanne Donn: I don't know.
00:36:48.470 --> 00:36:49.550
Joanne Donn: I do want to go see them.
00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:52.770
Joanne Donn: They're on the other side of Colorado and go riding with him.
00:36:52.850 --> 00:36:54.850
Joanne Donn: I think that would also be really great too.
00:36:55.070 --> 00:37:02.910
Joanne Donn: And just, yeah, just going out on the road, being comfortable with the fact that I'm going 75 miles an hour and I'm not in a car, you know, like that.
00:37:02.910 --> 00:37:13.010
Joanne Donn: You know, I'm doing, I've done that where I'm just like cruising, you know, I'm on the freeway or I'm on the highway and I'm like, wow, I'm on a motorcycle right now and there's nothing here and I'm outside.
00:37:13.710 --> 00:37:19.530
Joanne Donn: Anything could happen and I could be, you know, all these things could happen and look at what, what am I doing right now?
00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:22.850
Robin Dean: Well, that gets right into Brian's article that we just talked about.
00:37:22.950 --> 00:37:24.650
Robin Dean: So there's, there's the cue.
00:37:25.050 --> 00:37:33.030
Joanne Donn: Not in like a, I'm so scared kind of way, but in maybe an existential way or like a, wow, I can't believe I'm doing this right now.
00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:34.430
Joanne Donn: Am I really doing this right now?
00:37:34.990 --> 00:37:36.390
Joanne Donn: Do I really know how to do this?
00:37:38.170 --> 00:37:39.570
Brian Wringer: Most people don't do this.
00:37:39.730 --> 00:37:40.590
Brian Wringer: What's wrong with them?
00:37:40.790 --> 00:37:41.130
Joanne Donn: Exactly.
00:37:41.390 --> 00:37:41.530
Brian Wringer: Right.
00:37:41.690 --> 00:37:44.490
Joanne Donn: Like, why am I the only, I'm the only one out here on a motorcycle.
00:37:44.810 --> 00:37:48.030
Joanne Donn: What are, you know, what's going, I can't believe I'm riding this right now.
00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:53.590
Joanne Donn: Like my 10 year old self would never, ever believe me if I told her like what I do and what I did.
00:37:53.930 --> 00:37:54.790
Robin Dean: Oh, that's good.
00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:56.930
Joanne Donn: Well, she rode bicycles.
00:37:56.930 --> 00:38:02.470
Joanne Donn: She was very, very bicycle heavy and loved riding her bicycle everywhere and all over the place.
00:38:02.570 --> 00:38:03.930
Joanne Donn: So it was kind of a precursor.
00:38:04.150 --> 00:38:05.270
Brian Wringer: That's a gateway drug.
00:38:05.470 --> 00:38:06.450
Joanne Donn: Yeah, it was.
00:38:06.550 --> 00:38:10.670
Joanne Donn: But I mean, growing up in the culture I grew up in, like, this is not something you do.
00:38:10.950 --> 00:38:15.230
Joanne Donn: You know, this is not something that you think about doing or plan on doing or wish to do.
00:38:15.330 --> 00:38:18.690
Joanne Donn: It's just like, most likely is not a recommended hobby of any sort.
00:38:19.490 --> 00:38:21.690
Joanne Donn: So yeah, yeah.
00:38:21.690 --> 00:38:23.250
Joanne Donn: Or profession for that matter.
00:38:23.290 --> 00:38:23.790
Brian Wringer: You're a rebel.
00:38:23.930 --> 00:38:24.470
Brian Wringer: You're defiant.
00:38:24.690 --> 00:38:24.790
Joanne Donn: Right.
00:38:24.790 --> 00:38:25.330
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:38:25.430 --> 00:38:25.710
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:38:25.710 --> 00:38:26.290
Joanne Donn: I mean, right.
00:38:26.370 --> 00:38:27.070
Joanne Donn: Or career.
00:38:27.390 --> 00:38:29.470
Joanne Donn: It's not something you go and make money doing.
00:38:29.730 --> 00:38:31.350
Joanne Donn: And I was very fortunate.
00:38:31.510 --> 00:38:32.770
Joanne Donn: I got to do that for a little while.
00:38:33.370 --> 00:38:38.710
Brian Wringer: That brings us directly to, yeah, Joanne made my visa go out and hurt itself.
00:38:38.790 --> 00:38:41.370
Joanne Donn: But anyway, I gave you, you want a recommendations.
00:38:41.590 --> 00:38:42.570
Joanne Donn: I gave them to you.
00:38:43.010 --> 00:38:44.030
Joanne Donn: Aren't they great?
00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:46.390
Brian Wringer: They gave me a great recommendation.
00:38:46.630 --> 00:38:48.170
Brian Wringer: It's a brand I'd never heard of.
00:38:48.390 --> 00:38:53.010
Brian Wringer: High quality gloves from Racer and the model is the Racer High.
00:38:53.710 --> 00:38:54.329
Joanne Donn: High Racer.
00:38:54.609 --> 00:38:55.390
Brian Wringer: High Racer.
00:38:55.890 --> 00:38:58.109
Joanne Donn: And it's RacerGlovesUSA.com.
00:38:58.630 --> 00:39:01.089
Brian Wringer: And they are fantastic, very high quality.
00:39:01.609 --> 00:39:04.210
Brian Wringer: And they're very, you know, they're like, they're, they're snug.
00:39:04.490 --> 00:39:05.910
Brian Wringer: I'm still adapting to them.
00:39:05.990 --> 00:39:07.369
Brian Wringer: Took them for the first ride today.
00:39:07.690 --> 00:39:12.390
Brian Wringer: Like I said, I think we're going to be very happy together, but there's still, I'm still adapting.
00:39:12.569 --> 00:39:16.890
Brian Wringer: You know, the kangaroo hide is, is getting used to my hide and vice versa.
00:39:17.430 --> 00:39:22.370
Brian Wringer: And also this is about four times what I've ever spent on gloves in my life, but I love it and they're great.
00:39:22.370 --> 00:39:24.370
Joanne Donn: The company's called Racer.
00:39:24.750 --> 00:39:31.770
Joanne Donn: They're from Austria, so they're a European brand and they've been in the United States for like 25, 30 years.
00:39:32.350 --> 00:39:36.910
Joanne Donn: But through small dealers here and there, they're not on every e-comm site.
00:39:37.050 --> 00:39:41.610
Joanne Donn: They're on some, they work with certain dealers and not, they don't work with everybody necessarily.
00:39:42.570 --> 00:39:45.250
Joanne Donn: The distributor is based, I think on the East Coast now.
00:39:45.450 --> 00:39:48.370
Joanne Donn: The owner used to be in Oregon, actually the Bay Area, then Oregon.
00:39:48.370 --> 00:39:55.690
Joanne Donn: But I've worn these gloves since 2005, I want to say that's the first time, my first pair I bought.
00:39:56.830 --> 00:40:02.030
Joanne Donn: And phenomenal because back then a kangaroo palm leather glove was unheard of.
00:40:02.430 --> 00:40:07.510
Joanne Donn: It's not something common among glove manufacturers at that time.
00:40:07.890 --> 00:40:11.970
Joanne Donn: So all the big names, right, Alpinestars, the Dainese, Revit, they're not doing kangaroo.
00:40:13.070 --> 00:40:14.170
Joanne Donn: That no one was doing it.
00:40:14.310 --> 00:40:17.650
Joanne Donn: And the minute I tried those on, I fell deeply in love with them.
00:40:18.110 --> 00:40:19.550
Joanne Donn: They're so comfortable.
00:40:20.190 --> 00:40:23.710
Joanne Donn: They conform so well and they're great.
00:40:24.050 --> 00:40:27.370
Joanne Donn: So you can buy them directly, racerglovesusa.com.
00:40:27.550 --> 00:40:29.710
Joanne Donn: And how much was the MSRP on those?
00:40:29.850 --> 00:40:30.330
Joanne Donn: I forgot.
00:40:32.110 --> 00:40:34.970
Brian Wringer: $269.95, I think, $270.
00:40:35.610 --> 00:40:37.430
Brian Wringer: You can, yeah, you can see where the money went.
00:40:37.910 --> 00:40:39.170
Brian Wringer: Every detail is good.
00:40:39.670 --> 00:40:42.430
Joanne Donn: They number, it's like their number two track glove.
00:40:42.650 --> 00:40:46.630
Joanne Donn: So it is a full track ready race glove.
00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:49.690
Joanne Donn: There is one glove above it that has all the stuff.
00:40:50.150 --> 00:40:57.010
Joanne Donn: But the reason they're so great is because they do bring all that track protection with street comfort.
00:40:57.630 --> 00:40:59.270
Brian Wringer: It's one of the most- Little sliders, yeah.
00:40:59.270 --> 00:41:01.450
Joanne Donn: And two palm sliders, the double.
00:41:01.850 --> 00:41:05.810
Joanne Donn: But just the comfort of it, it doesn't feel like a track glove.
00:41:06.030 --> 00:41:10.770
Joanne Donn: You know, when you put it on, it doesn't feel like you're wearing this monstrous Iron Man glove.
00:41:11.470 --> 00:41:19.090
Joanne Donn: It's both, there's sure, there's a little bulk because you've got palms, you've got the carbon fiber and the knuckle protection, but it doesn't feel like it.
00:41:19.370 --> 00:41:20.290
Joanne Donn: And that's why I love it.
00:41:20.390 --> 00:41:24.750
Joanne Donn: I have toured in mine, thousands of miles, and I've done track days in them.
00:41:24.850 --> 00:41:28.990
Joanne Donn: And that's why I love them because they're like the perfect balance of both.
00:41:29.790 --> 00:41:34.470
Joanne Donn: If you're doing some track days, and look, this isn't good if you're a track junkie.
00:41:34.690 --> 00:41:39.970
Joanne Donn: If you're going every month, you may not want to use them as a combo glove, but as some
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:46.840
Joanne Donn: Someone who goes a couple of track days a year, you know, you're doing two or three a year, absolutely use them as a track glove.
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.020
Brian Wringer: So my question for you, I mean, yeah, I'm happy about these.
00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.860
Brian Wringer: It was a great recommendation and they ended up fitting my hand shape real well.
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.680
Brian Wringer: I'm still getting used to them.
00:41:57.080 --> 00:42:00.400
Brian Wringer: Two things, do you have any tips for breaking them in?
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.200
Brian Wringer: You know, some people are like, oh yeah, go get them wet and wear them around until they dry.
00:42:04.740 --> 00:42:12.080
Brian Wringer: Or I don't know about that, but what are your thoughts on, or just wear them and ride in them and you'll get there in a week.
00:42:12.600 --> 00:42:18.060
Joanne Donn: Well, is there any particular aspect of them that is less comfortable than other?
00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:22.000
Joanne Donn: Like, is there a particular area of the glove where like, ah, this part is just not great?
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:23.360
Joanne Donn: Or is it the whole thing?
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:24.400
Joanne Donn: It's just the whole glove.
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.480
Robin Dean: Basically get a baseball and wrap it in the baseball.
00:42:28.140 --> 00:42:28.800
Brian Wringer: It's the whole glove.
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:30.460
Brian Wringer: Yeah, the whole thing.
00:42:30.620 --> 00:42:36.240
Brian Wringer: And like I said, it's more that the leather, whoever built this glove has not ever seen my hand.
00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:38.200
Brian Wringer: They weren't working for a hand print or anything like that.
00:42:38.660 --> 00:42:42.280
Brian Wringer: So yeah, there's a little thing, but like the finger length is good and all that stuff.
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.880
Brian Wringer: So yeah, they're snug there and I'm still getting a little bit used to them.
00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:49.440
Brian Wringer: And I think they'll get there, but I don't know if there's a way to speed it up.
00:42:50.060 --> 00:42:53.240
Joanne Donn: Also, probably because how long did you have the pair that you were using before?
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.800
Joanne Donn: How long have you been wearing those?
00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:58.920
Brian Wringer: Oh, like I found them in a parking lot like 10 years ago, seriously.
00:42:59.540 --> 00:43:06.880
Joanne Donn: Look, if you've had a broken in pair of gloves for a decade, it's very difficult to get comfortable with a brand new pair out of the box, right?
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:07.640
Brian Wringer: Oh yeah.
00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.000
Joanne Donn: Totally makes sense.
00:43:09.160 --> 00:43:13.860
Joanne Donn: So in that situation, what I would really recommend doing is you wear them every day at home.
00:43:14.120 --> 00:43:16.840
Joanne Donn: The days you're not riding, give them just 10 minutes.
00:43:16.940 --> 00:43:24.600
Joanne Donn: You don't have to spend eight hours in them, but have them on your hand for a good 15, maybe 20 minutes every day, the days you're not riding.
00:43:25.200 --> 00:43:31.300
Joanne Donn: So depending on how often you ride, if you're going riding once a week, I'd wear them every day during the week before the day you ride.
00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:32.900
Joanne Donn: And then that'll open.
00:43:33.520 --> 00:43:37.420
Joanne Donn: If you're out riding every day, then you don't need to do that.
00:43:37.560 --> 00:43:43.380
Joanne Donn: But if you're riding, you know, more occasional, give it 15 minutes a day and just leave them on your hand.
00:43:43.720 --> 00:43:46.520
Joanne Donn: Watch TV, you know, maybe not eat in them.
00:43:47.100 --> 00:43:47.940
Brian Wringer: They're no good for typing.
00:43:48.380 --> 00:43:49.240
Joanne Donn: No good for typing.
00:43:49.720 --> 00:43:50.780
Joanne Donn: Have them on your hand.
00:43:51.180 --> 00:43:55.200
Joanne Donn: You know, you can scroll your phone because the kangaroo is conductive.
00:43:56.060 --> 00:43:58.680
Robin Dean: Just go get some Chinese food and use chopsticks.
00:43:58.680 --> 00:44:04.900
Joanne Donn: Yeah, keep them on your hand so that you spend more time in them so they can conform more.
00:44:05.020 --> 00:44:10.680
Joanne Donn: But it does take a good, I'd say a couple thousand miles of seat time to really break them in.
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:12.180
Joanne Donn: And it is worth it.
00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:17.800
Joanne Donn: And the really nice thing about the kangaroo is that part of your palm, it already probably does feel broken in.
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.560
Joanne Donn: And it's probably the top hand and the wrist that feels less comfortable.
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:33.900
Joanne Donn: The other thing I like to do is if the knuckles feel tight, what I like to do is if I have the glove on, then I'll take my other hand and just kind of squeeze it and conform.
00:44:34.060 --> 00:44:36.840
Joanne Donn: Like, you know, the glove is flat right out of the bag.
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:45.980
Joanne Donn: So what I try to do is when it's on the hand, I kind of give it a little squeeze above the knuckle area to help it curve a little bit more around my knuckle.
00:44:46.060 --> 00:44:52.980
Robin Dean: For our listeners, what's happening is she's yanking one hand over the yin that is the hand with the glove on and basically compressing the knuckles so that they flex.
00:44:52.980 --> 00:45:03.040
Joanne Donn: Well, not compressing them, but I'm kind of curving, I'm cupping them so that they arch a little bit more because the glove, it's flat.
00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:08.740
Joanne Donn: And then when you put them on, you're forcing them into this conformed position over around your hand grips, right?
00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:11.680
Robin Dean: Which is why with a baseball mitt, we wrap it in a baseball.
00:45:12.220 --> 00:45:12.460
Joanne Donn: Yeah.
00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:16.780
Brian Wringer: Like the knuckle guard, the backing on this needs to break in just a little bit, you know.
00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:23.940
Joanne Donn: When you kind of squeeze it so that it arches more, then you're going to help it arch more over your knuckle, right?
00:45:24.120 --> 00:45:30.220
Joanne Donn: So when you're sitting on your couch and you relax your hands, they should naturally be doing this.
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:36.960
Joanne Donn: Now that they're on your hand, you just sit there 15, 20 minutes a day and it's going to speed it up a little bit.
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:37.600
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:45:37.780 --> 00:45:45.580
Joanne Donn: But that is the downside to brand new leather and, you know, pants, jackets, boots, it's just part of the process, but so worth it.
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:52.960
Joanne Donn: Now, the caveat is when you start sweating in those, you're going to have to start cleaning them like once a season.
00:45:53.620 --> 00:45:54.100
Brian Wringer: You mentioned that.
00:45:54.200 --> 00:45:55.279
Brian Wringer: How does one do that?
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:56.380
Joanne Donn: Really easy.
00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:02.640
Joanne Donn: And you can do this with your goatskin palm gloves, with your cowhide leather gloves, you can absolutely wash them.
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:05.700
Joanne Donn: But the trick is you always do it by hand, all right?
00:46:05.740 --> 00:46:11.040
Joanne Donn: We're not talking about washing machines and we're just talking a soak in some lukewarm water.
00:46:11.740 --> 00:46:25.940
Joanne Donn: What you can do for the kangaroo gloves, I used to take a little drop, maybe a dime of conditioner that you would use in your hair, kind of dilute it in the water, and then soak the gloves.
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:39.040
Joanne Donn: And if my hands were really sweating, you know, if the palms are like black, then I would use my hands to just gently, you know, work some of the soapy water in and then let it soak for like 15 minutes.
00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:44.300
Joanne Donn: Because even just soaking them, some of that salt and a lot of the oils will start to come out.
00:46:44.560 --> 00:46:46.880
Joanne Donn: You're never going to get it perfectly clean.
00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:50.500
Joanne Donn: That's not the goal, isn't to make it perfectly tan again.
00:46:50.740 --> 00:46:56.480
Joanne Donn: But the goal is just to pull as much of the salt and oils out of your skin from the gloves.
00:46:57.240 --> 00:46:59.880
Joanne Donn: So kind of watch how much you sweat into them.
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.200
Joanne Donn: If you're sweating into them a lot, you might even wash them once a month.
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:06.420
Joanne Donn: No, just, you know, if you're hot blooded.
00:47:07.020 --> 00:47:07.920
Brian Wringer: Just hold it, yeah.
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.160
Joanne Donn: But if it's really humid, you know, and it's a hot summer, it's really hard.
00:47:13.160 --> 00:47:17.160
Joanne Donn: But that's the downside, too, of wearing those gloves is when it's like 90 outside.
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.560
Joanne Donn: It's a tough glove to wear, I'll be honest.
00:47:19.700 --> 00:47:32.020
Joanne Donn: So you do want to be really careful about how and when you wear them and just be conscious of the fact that if you're wearing them every day through 90 degrees, you're going to need to take care of them way more often than that.
00:47:32.600 --> 00:47:38.000
Brian Wringer: Similar banter at higher revs can be found via the Gear Chick website or by emailing Joanne directly.
00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:41.260
Brian Wringer: That email address is help at gearchick.com.
00:47:53.890 --> 00:47:57.750
Brian Wringer: Segment three, moments in motorcycle history with Jordan Liebman.
00:47:58.210 --> 00:48:02.630
Brian Wringer: This time around, our focus is on your man, Joey Dunlop.
00:48:03.090 --> 00:48:03.910
Brian Wringer: Take it away, Jordan.
00:48:24.270 --> 00:48:31.450
Jordan Liebman: Easily in my top five heroes of all topics in life, Joey Dunlop.
00:48:31.670 --> 00:48:48.930
Jordan Liebman: William Joseph Dunlop was born February 25th, 1952, in Ballymunny County Antrim in Northern Ireland to William, a.k.a. Willie, and his mum, married, M-A-I-R-E-A-D, a.k.a. Mae Dunlop.
00:48:49.430 --> 00:48:51.350
Jordan Liebman: They have different names for people in Ireland.
00:48:52.010 --> 00:48:54.150
Jordan Liebman: Joey was the second oldest of seven kids.
00:48:54.450 --> 00:49:03.030
Jordan Liebman: He had an older sister, Helen, two brothers, Robert, also a great racer, Jim, and his younger sisters, Linda, Margaret, and Virginia.
00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:15.990
Jordan Liebman: The family home where Joey was born was in Unshannock, near rural Dunloy, eight miles southeast of Ballymunny, was a sleepy stone cottage and very modest and didn't even have running water.
00:49:16.750 --> 00:49:23.750
Jordan Liebman: Understandably, many homes didn't require running water as the region historically experienced copious amounts of rain.
00:49:24.330 --> 00:49:32.250
Jordan Liebman: Access to water really wasn't a big issue as long as you had something in which to collect what came out of the sky for free for almost a third of the year.
00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:37.970
Jordan Liebman: So yeah, figure four months of the year it rained in Northern Ireland, and probably still does.
00:49:38.510 --> 00:49:52.010
Jordan Liebman: Nor did they have electricity until Willie, Joey's dad, a mechanic by trade and a very handy tinkerer, rigged up a windmill to a small generator long before the county made electricity available in the area.
00:49:52.590 --> 00:49:56.950
Jordan Liebman: Joey's dad still heated the cottage in winter by cutting peat from the ground for burning.
00:49:57.510 --> 00:49:58.390
Jordan Liebman: Have we painted a picture?
00:49:58.390 --> 00:50:12.850
Jordan Liebman: There were farms all around Dunloy with grazing animals such as dairy cows, pigs, sheep, and poultry, and most people got by working in agriculture or in trades in support of agriculture on farms.
00:50:13.130 --> 00:50:16.909
Jordan Liebman: But the region was also at a crossroads of the old and the new.
00:50:17.429 --> 00:50:31.090
Jordan Liebman: By the 60s, with increased access to powered transportation and improvements to existing roads, there was an increase of locals taking jobs in the bigger towns like Ballymoney, Ballymena, and Ballycastle in the manufacturing sector.
00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:40.490
Jordan Liebman: In Joey's early years, he was mostly quiet and humble, unless someone called him by his middle name Joseph or Joey, which he hated.
00:50:41.070 --> 00:50:45.730
Jordan Liebman: Interesting that the person known as Joey Dunlop didn't like being called Joey when he was younger.
00:50:46.130 --> 00:50:48.250
Jordan Liebman: He liked to be called William or Willie.
00:50:48.810 --> 00:50:51.350
Jordan Liebman: He understood the importance of hard work and family.
00:50:51.710 --> 00:50:56.130
Jordan Liebman: Joey always tried to help his father with chores and he took to mechanical interests very early.
00:50:56.670 --> 00:51:02.630
Jordan Liebman: By age 10, he was able to strip and rebuild small engines without the help of his dad.
00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:11.910
Jordan Liebman: Amongst the available engines were his father's old cobbly motorcycles, Norton's and BSA's that were acquired for cheap or free.
00:51:12.470 --> 00:51:18.650
Jordan Liebman: When they ran, in his teens, Joey would steal a ride on one or the other when he knew he could get away with it.
00:51:19.070 --> 00:51:22.790
Jordan Liebman: It was not easy housing nine people in a tiny cottage.
00:51:22.790 --> 00:51:29.050
Jordan Liebman: At age 7, the family moved a few miles closer to Ballymoney to his grandmother's homestead.
00:51:29.590 --> 00:51:33.010
Jordan Liebman: The house was still quite small, but it had a farm with pigs.
00:51:33.650 --> 00:51:40.510
Jordan Liebman: Still, the family moved twice again before Joey left primary school, changing schools twice in the process.
00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:46.650
Jordan Liebman: Eventually, though, Joey attended Ballymoney High School, where he graduated in 1969.
00:51:47.470 --> 00:51:50.770
Jordan Liebman: Oddly, Wikipedia does not list Joey as a notable alumni.
00:51:50.770 --> 00:51:54.330
Jordan Liebman: I tried to send it as an edit to Wikipedia, but I was blocked.
00:51:54.590 --> 00:51:54.970
Jordan Liebman: C'est la vie.
00:51:55.530 --> 00:51:57.810
Jordan Liebman: Also, let's get ahead of ourselves here.
00:51:58.410 --> 00:52:03.910
Jordan Liebman: It is possible, not impossible, that Joey didn't graduate high school.
00:52:04.330 --> 00:52:06.910
Jordan Liebman: We don't care, but that's not what we're here for.
00:52:07.390 --> 00:52:13.770
Jordan Liebman: He was an amazing racer and a mechanic, and we don't care if he did or didn't, but that's where he did attend high school.
00:52:14.330 --> 00:52:16.330
Jordan Liebman: Joey had several jobs as a young man.
00:52:16.670 --> 00:52:21.090
Jordan Liebman: He was first hired as a mechanic at the automobile garage where his dad worked.
00:52:21.510 --> 00:52:25.570
Jordan Liebman: He also worked as a carpenter, a welder, and made some money driving trucks.
00:52:26.090 --> 00:52:34.850
Jordan Liebman: But to the point of this story, there were motorcycle dealers all around the UK, and sales advertisements seemed to be in every newspaper.
00:52:35.490 --> 00:52:38.930
Jordan Liebman: Mel Murphy had a bike shop at Ballymoney where Joey frequented.
00:52:39.570 --> 00:52:41.790
Jordan Liebman: Mel later became a mechanic for Joey.
00:52:42.390 --> 00:52:54.890
Jordan Liebman: Bikes were common and were seen as a perfectly acceptable mode of transportation, with British motorcycles being a part of the culture and as a leading component in the overall world sales and boosting trade for the UK.
00:52:55.430 --> 00:53:08.270
Jordan Liebman: The fact that bikes were widely available, new and used, with an abundance of support in service and parts and availability, it stands to reason that local kids were eventually showing up on mopeds, scooters, and small motorcycles.
00:53:08.950 --> 00:53:23.690
Jordan Liebman: Age 17 qualified applicants for the learner license, which allowed for bikes up to 250 cc, and it came with permission for taking advantage of the local roads as well, which increasingly had been paved over with asphalt.
00:53:24.310 --> 00:53:28.830
Jordan Liebman: They were basically cow paths in the old days, twisty roads around Northern Ireland.
00:53:29.290 --> 00:53:35.930
Jordan Liebman: You put asphalt on top of it, add young people with motorcycles to the equation, and what do you think happens?
00:53:36.090 --> 00:53:40.970
Jordan Liebman: So, kids in the area had found that these paved roads were pretty good for riding on.
00:53:41.290 --> 00:53:48.090
Jordan Liebman: It was only natural that when kids got their hands on all of this newfound freedom, some of them would try to race.
00:53:48.570 --> 00:54:05.790
Jordan Liebman: Off the streets and onto the track, a local, Mervyn Robinson, and Joey's eventual brother-in-law, ultimately marrying Helen Dunlop, Joey's oldest sister, was a well-known local motorcycle racer and part of what became known as the Armoy Armada.
00:54:06.390 --> 00:54:17.450
Jordan Liebman: Mervyn, or Merv, took a liking to Joey and let him ride a couple of his bikes and observed that Joey had some skill at riding and saw that he was naturally competitive.
00:54:18.130 --> 00:54:30.590
Jordan Liebman: Seeing this, Mervyn, who had a few bikes set up for racing, encouraged Joey to give sanctioned ACU, which is the Auto Cycle Union, the British equivalent of AMA under FIM, road racing a try.
00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:39.170
Jordan Liebman: Pure road racing is held on closed public roads, not unlike what Joey had been cutting his teeth on, only they were legal with a measure of safety.
00:54:39.170 --> 00:54:43.430
Jordan Liebman: Also, road racing in Northern Ireland was immensely prestigious.
00:54:44.170 --> 00:55:00.630
Jordan Liebman: Events like the Northwest 200, the Ulster GP, and the Manx GP were among the fastest races in the world and where revered top riders were consistently present and where fledgling racers could race against the best, learn the techniques and tricks to winning, and maybe even make a name for themselves.
00:55:01.210 --> 00:55:02.650
Jordan Liebman: Joey accepted the challenge.
00:55:03.310 --> 00:55:04.730
Jordan Liebman: Mervyn had just the bike.
00:55:04.730 --> 00:55:24.290
Jordan Liebman: So at age 16, Joey had enough money set aside to buy himself his first used race bike, a Triumph T20 Tiger Cub with a single cylinder 200cc overhead valve engine making a whopping 10 brake horsepower, which he purchased for 50 pounds from Merv.
00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:37.510
Jordan Liebman: With this Triumph, Joey began his racing career, but he raced only short circuits at tracks built on repurposed World War II airfields early on and without any notable success.
00:55:38.190 --> 00:55:39.370
Jordan Liebman: This is 1969.
00:55:40.170 --> 00:55:50.890
Jordan Liebman: Joey was born in 52 and at the age of 16, he began racing on this Triumph Tiger Cub that Merv Robinson had set up for racing.
00:55:51.370 --> 00:55:51.970
Jordan Liebman: No success.
00:55:52.470 --> 00:56:07.150
Jordan Liebman: Finally, at age 17, Joey entered his first road race on Saturday, May 3rd, 1969 at, this is the name of the place, famous racing place that I can't pronounce, Tandergy, Northern Ireland, taking 10th place in the 200cc class.
00:56:07.670 --> 00:56:10.530
Jordan Liebman: Not a podium finish, but notable in the top 10.
00:56:11.050 --> 00:56:11.710
Jordan Liebman: Stop to drink.
00:56:12.030 --> 00:56:18.910
Jordan Liebman: His second road race also in May, the Cookstown or Cookston 100, Joey placed 8th.
00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:27.830
Jordan Liebman: His third race at the Carroll Door, C-A-R-R-O-L-L-D-U-R, in September of 1969, he took 5th.
00:56:27.930 --> 00:56:31.510
Jordan Liebman: So 10th, 8th, and 5th within one year.
00:56:31.510 --> 00:56:32.790
Jordan Liebman: Not too shabby.
00:56:33.350 --> 00:56:39.910
Jordan Liebman: But racing was an expensive proposition for a chain-smoking, beer-drinking, ragged, greasy kid, which he was.
00:56:40.410 --> 00:56:45.350
Jordan Liebman: No running water, lives in a cottage with nine people, finds a hobby of motorcycling.
00:56:45.950 --> 00:56:46.950
Jordan Liebman: Joey was this guy.
00:56:47.490 --> 00:56:51.710
Jordan Liebman: To me, he looked like Dudley Moore and Keith Richards had a love child.
00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:55.070
Jordan Liebman: To me, that's what Joey Dunlop looks like, okay?
00:56:55.570 --> 00:56:56.950
Jordan Liebman: But maybe a little bit more elfish.
00:56:57.530 --> 00:57:11.950
Jordan Liebman: Racing was an expensive proposition for a chain-smoking, beer-drinking, ragged, greasy kid who had to do everything himself, including building and tuning, transportation to and from a race, entry fees, parts, tires, and fuel.
00:57:12.510 --> 00:57:21.670
Jordan Liebman: I mean, back in these days, he brought himself to a race and back and did everything himself from the back of a van or a station wagon.
00:57:22.030 --> 00:57:23.150
Jordan Liebman: That was 1969.
00:57:23.510 --> 00:57:30.890
Jordan Liebman: The following year in 1970, a car accident that was not his fault financially prevented him from entering any races.
00:57:30.990 --> 00:57:33.830
Jordan Liebman: So he didn't race in 1970 because somebody trashed his car.
00:57:34.430 --> 00:57:42.130
Jordan Liebman: Joey wouldn't have funds to race again until 1971 when Mervin Robinson became his brother-in-law, marrying his sister, Helen.
00:57:42.550 --> 00:57:48.530
Jordan Liebman: By 1971, Joey had replaced the Tiger Cub with a Suzuki T200 Invader.
00:57:49.070 --> 00:57:50.330
Jordan Liebman: This is a used bike now.
00:57:50.850 --> 00:57:54.150
Jordan Liebman: This also came from Merv, the twin two-stroke five-speed.
00:57:54.610 --> 00:57:58.510
Jordan Liebman: I've built and ridden these and they were shockingly slow.
00:57:58.510 --> 00:58:09.230
Jordan Liebman: But with tuning and fiddling, Joey and Merv made it competitive and got him his first podium finish, second place in the Tandra G 100.
00:58:09.950 --> 00:58:16.810
Jordan Liebman: These are basically a couple steps faster and better than what you can buy on the showroom floor.
00:58:17.370 --> 00:58:25.790
Jordan Liebman: He went from a 10 horsepower Tiger Cub to a approximately 20 horsepower Suzuki T200 Invader.
00:58:26.270 --> 00:58:33.390
Jordan Liebman: Some people consider it to be the little brother of the Suzuki X6 Hustler, aka T20 or Super 6.
00:58:33.910 --> 00:58:37.890
Jordan Liebman: I consider it to be a, I don't wanna, it wasn't very good.
00:58:38.390 --> 00:58:44.270
Jordan Liebman: Anyways, another second place finish at Cookston made 1971 a successful year.
00:58:44.550 --> 00:58:46.890
Jordan Liebman: So he took two second places in 1971.
00:58:47.609 --> 00:58:55.450
Jordan Liebman: The following year in 1972, Joey married his sweetheart, Linda Patterson, and moved to Bushside near Merv and Helen.
00:58:55.450 --> 00:59:01.150
Jordan Liebman: So he moved closer to his mentor, Merv Robinson and his sister, Helen.
00:59:01.569 --> 00:59:07.390
Jordan Liebman: Family's really tight in Northern Ireland and he wanted to be by them and they lived in the same town.
00:59:07.890 --> 00:59:15.030
Jordan Liebman: His first year of matrimony may have been a distraction with no racing results besides a third place finish.
00:59:15.430 --> 00:59:19.890
Jordan Liebman: But he did get some sponsorship from his boss, Danny McCook.
00:59:20.310 --> 00:59:21.210
Jordan Liebman: So he's still working.
00:59:21.730 --> 00:59:23.330
Jordan Liebman: He's not making money racing.
00:59:23.470 --> 00:59:27.130
Jordan Liebman: He's got a day job and he's still working regularly.
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:51.640
Robin Dean: It's about time.
00:59:52.100 --> 00:59:55.480
Robin Dean: Finally got him to show up and do the thing.
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:57.860
Robin Dean: And that's just the start.
00:59:58.140 --> 01:00:00.240
Robin Dean: I always look for that cause it's like casual business.
01:00:00.540 --> 01:00:02.180
Robin Dean: Business casual, except a reverse.
01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:03.780
Brian Wringer: Time for the wind down.
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:06.080
Brian Wringer: Let's talk about what's happening next.
01:00:06.620 --> 01:00:07.200
Brian Wringer: No idea.
01:00:07.600 --> 01:00:08.400
Brian Wringer: No plan.
01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:09.180
Brian Wringer: No idea.
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:09.720
Brian Wringer: No plan.
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:10.860
Robin Dean: We'll find out when we get there.
01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:12.260
Robin Dean: I have ideas.
01:00:12.520 --> 01:00:13.460
Robin Dean: Got ideas.
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:26.400
Joanne Donn: How about, I don't know, the last time you've done a talk on planning your trips, specifically route planning and tools, like easy to use tools to do that.
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:27.360
Robin Dean: Been a minute.
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.880
Robin Dean: Yeah, let's make it a tech strategy.
01:00:30.220 --> 01:00:34.540
Robin Dean: Less about brand mention and more about...
01:00:34.540 --> 01:00:34.640
Joanne Donn: Method.
01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:36.180
Robin Dean: Yeah, it's like...
01:00:36.180 --> 01:00:37.460
Joanne Donn: Maybe methodologies.
01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:40.200
Joanne Donn: Just getting to basics.
01:00:40.200 --> 01:00:43.200
Joanne Donn: Like a couple of apps I would recommend using.
01:00:43.580 --> 01:00:45.620
Joanne Donn: A couple of websites I recommend using.
01:00:46.220 --> 01:00:49.120
Joanne Donn: A couple of books I can recommend and maps I can recommend.
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.380
Robin Dean: I like this.
01:00:50.780 --> 01:00:51.480
Robin Dean: From world school.
01:00:52.040 --> 01:00:55.300
Robin Dean: I wouldn't mind a return to the alphabet soup technique.
01:00:55.660 --> 01:00:56.640
Joanne Donn: Which is?
01:00:56.940 --> 01:00:58.720
Robin Dean: One sheet on your tank.
01:00:59.260 --> 01:00:59.740
Robin Dean: Yeah.
01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:03.760
Robin Dean: I land on Ride with GPS every time.
01:01:03.860 --> 01:01:05.280
Robin Dean: It's my favorite planning environment.
01:01:05.600 --> 01:01:09.420
Robin Dean: It's my favorite navigation app and it's the one that gives me the most control.
01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:10.220
Robin Dean: Sure.
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.260
Robin Dean: And it's not proprietary, which is why I'm dedicated is because it's open.
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:15.920
Joanne Donn: So you can talk about that.
01:01:16.080 --> 01:01:19.880
Joanne Donn: Talk about ways to put it on your tank because not everybody's tank can do it.
01:01:20.620 --> 01:01:24.840
Robin Dean: This and many other topics that will probably not make it to the next episode, but are great ideas.
01:01:25.300 --> 01:01:26.120
Robin Dean: We'll get there eventually.
01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:27.280
Robin Dean: Everybody good?
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:28.280
Robin Dean: Let's get out of here.