Electronicus Mysticalis

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Brian Wringer: In this episode, Electronicus Mysticalis, Why do I need to call an astrophysicist to bleed my ABS?
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Brian Wringer: Catchphrase, the proverbial proverbs of the proactive writer.
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Brian Wringer: And finally, Jordan Liebman's continuation of the Joey Dunlop career saga. Can't wait.
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Robin Dean: Opening announcements, news, corrections, and banter. First off, announcements.
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Robin Dean: And this is an announcement, not a correction. I'm no longer going to refer
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Robin Dean: to Joey Dunlop as William, which as I know it, Joey would have preferred in
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Robin Dean: his youth out of respect for his late nephew, whose actual name was William.
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Robin Dean: Having just watched the movie Road, a 2014 documentary narrated by Liam Neeson,
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Robin Dean: I'm now better educated.
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Robin Dean: More on that when Jordan's feature segment lands towards the end of this episode.
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Robin Dean: But as for news, let's get on with, there's some darkness in this. This is dark.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. You're acting like we're going to tour the graveyard, but it's more a celebration.
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Brian Wringer: A couple of departures in the last few weeks. Prolific traveler and moto journalist
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Brian Wringer: Clement Salvadori died recently at the age of 86.
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Brian Wringer: And the word is that he died in his garage among his motorcycles.
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Brian Wringer: And I can't ask for anything better than that.
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Brian Wringer: And he's one of those guys that was really influential in the 80s and 90s 70s too i guess,
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Brian Wringer: you know he had a really interesting life traveled the world did a lot of like
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Brian Wringer: secret squirrel stuff and then ended up traveling the world on a motorcycle,
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Brian Wringer: in that era when ted simon was out,
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Brian Wringer: doing the things that would lead to the book jupiter's travels clement was out
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Brian Wringer: there doing adventure writing long before the term kind of turned all cringy
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Brian Wringer: and weird and ended up at Starbucks.
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Brian Wringer: He's one of those people that inspired me and a lot of other riders and just
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Brian Wringer: wanted to say thanks to whoever's out there.
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Brian Wringer: And also, Mert Lawell just died also at the age of 86.
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Brian Wringer: He was one of the riders featured in on any Sunday.
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Brian Wringer: Need I say more? He was a very accomplished racer in the late 60s and 70s,
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Brian Wringer: later became a really talented mechanical engineer.
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Brian Wringer: You know, the people that have gone before us that built motorcycling,
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Brian Wringer: built motorcycles, built the technology, moved everything forward.
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Brian Wringer: Just worth thinking a little bit about those guys and what they did for all of us. All right.
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Brian Wringer: Now we're out of the graveyard. We're going towards this shining tower in the
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Brian Wringer: distance. What are you talking about next?
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Robin Dean: To complement what you just said, consider this. A lot of you may be arriving
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Robin Dean: at your first bike, or a lot of you may be arriving with a freshly confused
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Robin Dean: mind about your own bike.
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Robin Dean: One of the questions I asked early on, I asked this of Jordan, actually.
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Robin Dean: Who came up with all of the engineering required to do something like this?
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Robin Dean: And everybody in the room said, nobody did. Many people did.
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Robin Dean: Given any inventive, mechanical, or electronic decision that was made to benefit
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Robin Dean: the world of motorcycling, consider that one item, that minuscule thing on the
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Robin Dean: engine, and ask yourself,
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Robin Dean: who spent the time to figure out that solution?
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Robin Dean: Because the two gentlemen that Brian just mentioned may have had something to do with it.
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Robin Dean: All right, so in flashy newscaster news, Battery swapping is starting to look
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Robin Dean: like the real electric motorcycle workaround.
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Robin Dean: Two very different stories point at the same practical fix. Stop asking riders
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Robin Dean: to wait around for batteries to charge.
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Robin Dean: Radian is showing the bike-side version with fast removable packs.
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Robin Dean: Honda and LG are testing the city infrastructure version with swap stations in Hanoi.
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Robin Dean: Electric motorcycles keep running into the same old trip problem.
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Robin Dean: Range is one thing, sitting around while the bike eats electrons is another.
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Robin Dean: Radian's 30-second battery swap enduro and Honda's work with LG in Hanoi,
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Robin Dean: their swap station trial, are both nibbling at the same answer.
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Robin Dean: Maybe the future is not always bigger batteries. Maybe it's treating batteries more like fuel bottles.
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Robin Dean: With more lawyers and fewer fumes. On to the next. Motorcycle navigation is
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Robin Dean: becoming its own cockpit problem.
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Robin Dean: Rider Nav's add-on CarPlay slash Android Auto Screen shows the gadget side,
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Robin Dean: while the Vietnam Navigation Study shows the rider side behavior.
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Robin Dean: Riders increasingly want route optimization, voice guidance,
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Robin Dean: traffic updates, and rerouting without turning the bars into a phone store accent.
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Robin Dean: Navigation is going from strap a phone somewhere and hope to a real motorcycle
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Robin Dean: interface question. We've brought this up before with Joanne.
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Robin Dean: She had a lot to say on the matter.
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Robin Dean: Rider Nav's 7-inch Universal CarPlay slash Android Auto Display is one answer
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Robin Dean: for bikes without modern screens.
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Robin Dean: And a HEAR study says two-wheeled riders are already learning hard on route
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Robin Dean: optimization, voice prompts, traffic, and rerouting.
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Robin Dean: Useful, yes. Also a reminder that the best cockpit is the one that helps without
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Robin Dean: demanding a committee meeting at 70 miles per hour.
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Robin Dean: And then lastly, PennDOT, as in Pennsylvania Department of Transportation,
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Robin Dean: is offering free motorcycle safety courses.
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Robin Dean: Free training is practical, especially because Pennsylvania includes beginner,
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Robin Dean: intermediate, advanced, and three-wheel courses.
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Robin Dean: PennDOT is using Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month to push their free rider training.
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Robin Dean: The good part is that it's not just a beginner class boilerplate,
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Robin Dean: what with having the refresher and advanced options too, which is exactly the
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Robin Dean: kind of unglamorous thing that keeps a good touring season from getting stupid.
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Brian Wringer: Nice.
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Robin Dean: We've done our part. We've done our job. Now we can quit and sloshily meander about our own ways.
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Robin Dean: Brian, we'll do this in reverse order. They've heard enough of me. How are you doing?
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Brian Wringer: I'm good, man. Well, we'll go through some of the what's new stuff a little later.
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Brian Wringer: So Robin's got the song of the week he'll get to in a minute. It's great, I'm sure.
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Brian Wringer: But I need everybody to know that if you go to YouTube and you type in how to
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Brian Wringer: tune rubber chickens, this is going to be knowledge that you really, really need.
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Brian Wringer: So how to get your rubber chickens to squawk in the right key. It's very important.
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Robin Dean: Take my money.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, and I think and we'll kind of go over some a little bit later,
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Brian Wringer: some of the things I've been dealing with in the last week.
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Brian Wringer: But I can say that Robin and I and some other friends and loved ones are dealing
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Brian Wringer: with logistics that would cramp a battalion commander. I mean,
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Brian Wringer: we're putting together plans and distances and charts and navigation resources.
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Brian Wringer: We're caching water along the way.
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Brian Wringer: We're setting up Pony Express. We're getting horses set up.
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Robin Dean: 3D chests with multiple moving boards.
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Brian Wringer: And all toward the cause of doing more writing. So that's why it's relevant.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, it's going to be a great summer.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, so then I just watched Road as narrated by Liam Neeson. What a movie.
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Brian Wringer: What is Road about? The Road Racers was specifically about Joey Dunlop.
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Brian Wringer: I'm not familiar with it.
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Robin Dean: It's specifically about the Dunlop dynasty. Yeah, multi-generation and some
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Robin Dean: of us know how that goes, but
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Robin Dean: pulls zero punches, zero punches pulled on exactly how tough and reserved the
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Robin Dean: Irish are when it comes to their territories and their road racing.
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Robin Dean: It is spectacular and not for timid eyes in many regards because of the many,
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Robin Dean: many incidences that took place.
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Robin Dean: Incredible amounts of loss in the name of all that is risky and at the same
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Robin Dean: time, free. Freedom in its own right.
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Robin Dean: The point is, it's changed my perspective on a lot of things that Jordan talks
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Robin Dean: about. Been finalizing the details in that ValveCheck article.
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Robin Dean: It is 5,000 words.
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Brian Wringer: Oh, it could be 7,000 or 8,000, I'm sure.
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Robin Dean: That's how detailed I opted to be. You're welcome, fellow GSX-8R Gixader owners.
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Robin Dean: I'm pretty sure only a fraction of you can actually read. Kidding, but not kidding.
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Robin Dean: My truck is decked out with all new kit. All of it needed to happen.
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Robin Dean: And for some reason, the only one I want to really talk about is the suspension.
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Robin Dean: Got a whole new set of shocks on the truck and you can feel it's awesome.
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Robin Dean: So looking forward to hooking back up.
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Brian Wringer: You get some mud flaps and those chrome mud flap women and lots of lights and
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Brian Wringer: a CB antenna that goes, which, which, which, which.
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Robin Dean: I get more compliments for that big, dumb truck remaining bone stock than any
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Robin Dean: disco cowboy is ever going to get for his 24s.
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Robin Dean: I mean, my truck actually is intended to do the job it was designed to do.
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Robin Dean: I haven't changed it. I've just situated it for my own use. So I'm not even a truck guy, man.
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Robin Dean: And I just have it because we live this way.
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Brian Wringer: So you put on the hat and you start pulling.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, that's it. We're returning to the Midwest toward the beginning of next
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Robin Dean: month, if all goes as planned.
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Robin Dean: So I am truly hoping to make Brown County, but I got to be safe. I got to be careful.
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Brian Wringer: That would be awesome. Don't, don't like bust a blood vessel or something,
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Brian Wringer: but damn, that would be cool. That would be so cool.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah. And that's part of the logistical mysticals that are occupying.
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Brian Wringer: There's messaging there's signals flying all over the ether it's amazing anyway yes.
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Robin Dean: In preparation for this episode i ate as i always do my ritual i ate three scoops
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Robin Dean: of peanut butter ice cream and poured myself a glass of wine
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Robin Dean: because i thought maybe brian would be running the show tonight that's touch
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Robin Dean: and go i think it's my turn but brian is spearheaded segment one
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Robin Dean: and these are the random songs of the minute for this first one i want you all
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Robin Dean: to go find your favorite rock and roll loved one to listen to this song with.
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Robin Dean: Go to YouTube and look up 32 Teeth in My Head.
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Robin Dean: It's a wonderful, upbeat tune with a real positive message by Carter Vale.
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Robin Dean: Check them out. Follow them on Instagram for sure. He actually does a lot of
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Robin Dean: comedy as an interlude to the fact that his music is actually serious stuff. He's brilliant.
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Robin Dean: High praise to that guy. That's for before the ride. After the ride,
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Robin Dean: kick back, pour yourself a glass.
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Robin Dean: You got nowhere else to go for the remainder. Put on sneaker pimps,
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Robin Dean: six underground. It's just been a while.
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Brian Wringer: 32 teeth, six underground. Okay, got it.
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Robin Dean: Listener questions.
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Brian Wringer: If you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message.
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Brian Wringer: First listener question. This is a simple one from KB.
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Brian Wringer: Moisture-wicking balaclava or neck gaiter, what's your preference? One word.
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Robin Dean: One word, neck gaiter. Balaclavas do not fit under the helmet correctly.
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Brian Wringer: I happen to agree with every word of that one-word answer.
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Brian Wringer: I mostly have a neck gaiter unless it's pretty warm. And oftentimes I'll get like a thin neck tube.
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Brian Wringer: I forget what it's called. Once in a while I'll have one of those to kind of
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Brian Wringer: block noise and block wind a little bit and block sun when it's warm out.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, pretty much neck gaiter. And I never have figured out how to get along
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Brian Wringer: with a balaclava either.
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Robin Dean: They're really more intended for skiing.
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Brian Wringer: Now, I do want to say, if you are someone who wears a balaclava,
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Brian Wringer: you do you. You go right ahead. You king or queen.
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Brian Wringer: You rock. It's fine. But that was the question. What's your preference? That's my preference.
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Brian Wringer: And both of us happen to have the same preference. That was a lot of words for one word.
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Robin Dean: There is a loose tip that maybe you could wear a balaclava with the eyelet pulled
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Robin Dean: down so that it's more like a neck gaiter with the helmet on.
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Robin Dean: And then when you stop, if you're really riding in the cold weather,
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Robin Dean: you take your helmet off. You can flip that up and be warm for the moment.
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Robin Dean: But I still feel like that would be kind of uncomfortable.
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Brian Wringer: CR-ass. And I'm going to skip a little bit. There's some blah,
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Brian Wringer: blah that where CR makes it clear that he or she is working on a modern shim
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Brian Wringer: under bucket valve sport bike.
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Robin Dean: Sporty bike.
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Brian Wringer: Sporty bike.
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Brian Wringer: A lot like the Gixader. Same idea, you know, a lot of bikes,
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Brian Wringer: almost, you know, almost every modern engine is shim under bucket.
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Brian Wringer: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, here's the question, and I think it's a good one.
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Brian Wringer: Would it be advisable to adjust the exhaust valves toward the maximum allowable
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Brian Wringer: clearance of blah, blah, inch?
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Brian Wringer: I don't know why he used inches, by the way. These are metric engines.
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Brian Wringer: Use millimeters, damn it.
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Robin Dean: Yeah, I already used that in the article. I was like, for you weirdos in the
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Robin Dean: inches, I actually gave those variables as well.
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Robin Dean: If somebody's coming out with a 19 16th, trying to figure out how to 17th it.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, yeah. Put that grandpa stuff away. Anyway, to continue with the question,
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Brian Wringer: my assumption is that since valve clearances tend to tighten with mileage,
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Brian Wringer: setting them toward the loose end of the specification may allow them to remain
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Brian Wringer: within spec for a longer period before the next adjustment. That is exactly correct.
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Brian Wringer: In-spec is in-spec, according to some, but I prefer to do things to a higher standard.
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Brian Wringer: And so setting things, if you can, if you have the shims, if you can,
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Brian Wringer: in at least the top half of the range is good practice and worth doing.
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Brian Wringer: So I agree with that. And I assume you agree, too, unless you want to start
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Brian Wringer: a fight or something. I don't know.
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Robin Dean: No fighting coming from me. I will say that I only just recently learned how
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Robin Dean: to do shim under buckets with Brian.
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Robin Dean: So do I understand the logic? Yes. In fact, I grafted out and tattooed it into
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Robin Dean: my eyelids so that I remember from now on.
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Robin Dean: You have to remember, and I guess it's just additional.
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Robin Dean: The replacement shim size equals the installed shim size minus the lowest common
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Robin Dean: denominator, that is the top end of spec minus the measured gap.
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Robin Dean: So top end of spec minus measured gap in parentheses. subtract that from the
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Robin Dean: currently installed shim size
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Robin Dean: and then round down as you see fit so you are within spec not above it
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Robin Dean: That's the general math.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, most specs have a range of 0.10 millimeters. So 0.10 millimeter is the
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Brian Wringer: range, and the shims come in 0.05 millimeter.
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Brian Wringer: So theoretically, you should always be able to get it in that upper half of
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Brian Wringer: the range, which is a better place to be for longevity of your adjustment.
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Brian Wringer: Okay, so CR is exactly right here.
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Brian Wringer: Second half of the question, would the same approach also be recommended for
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Brian Wringer: the intake valves, or is it better to keep the intake clearances closer to the
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Brian Wringer: middle of the specified range?
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Brian Wringer: And my answer, having done a lot of valve shim adjustments on a lot of engines,
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Brian Wringer: my answer would be it's pretty much the same as exhaust.
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Brian Wringer: It's just a little less urgent, perhaps, because intake valves don't,
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Brian Wringer: close up nearly as fast as exhaust valves so i think it's still good practice,
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Brian Wringer: first time you're in a new engine set those set those intakes set the exhaust
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Brian Wringer: both of them to the upper half spec you will likely find that the intakes never
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Brian Wringer: move again or very rarely move unless you put a,
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Brian Wringer: crap ton of miles on the engine or whatever so yeah you really won't have to
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Brian Wringer: but it's still good practice to set those in the upper half of the range and
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Brian Wringer: of course in exhaust valves they get hot, the clearances change faster.
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Brian Wringer: So those definitely need to be at the upper end of the range.
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Brian Wringer: Again, if you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your
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Brian Wringer: web browser to place electronical signals into our brain cavities.
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Robin Dean: Because you wrote all of this, let me try to present it. These are Brian's words.
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Brian Wringer: I will see. And these are extremely sketchy notes. There's a lot more here than
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Brian Wringer: you see. So let's get into it, see what happens.
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Robin Dean: Segment one, electronicus, mysticalis. My fridge was not cooling.
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Robin Dean: Trust me, I'm going somewhere with this.
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Robin Dean: Unrelated to that, I do need to bleed my bike's brakes. And this involves activating the ABS unit
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Robin Dean: using handy-dandy Yamaha diagnostic tool 9890-03231, which, as it happens, doesn't exist. $900?
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Robin Dean: So then there's a link here. Tell me about the link, man.
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Brian Wringer: 2015 Yamaha FJ09. I need to bleed the brakes because they're pissing me off,
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Brian Wringer: and, you know, squishy, squishy lever and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: So in order to do a thorough job of this, you need to activate the ABS unit
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Brian Wringer: to make it pump on its own for a little bit.
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Brian Wringer: And you're supposed to use this handy Yamaha diagnostic tool,
00:18:07.297 --> 00:18:10.995
Brian Wringer: which, as stated, does not actually seem to exist anywhere.
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Brian Wringer: Scour the internet and only a few little droppings of information are out there.
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Brian Wringer: There are two different Chinese tools that claim that,
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Brian Wringer: to be able to trigger the ABS on Yamahas in their broken AI-generated English,
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Brian Wringer: that may or may not have anything to do with reality.
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Brian Wringer: So there's these tools that may or may not do anything. They may,
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Brian Wringer: you know, they may brick my bike. I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: Nobody seems to have ever used these. And on top of that, the internet forum
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Brian Wringer: for the FGO9, it was Tracer something, tracer900.net, the FGO9 forum is gone.
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Brian Wringer: It disappeared. I don't know if it wasn't making somebody enough profit or something, and so it's gone.
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Brian Wringer: And so I'm exploring ways to get around this.
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Brian Wringer: One piece of advice is to bleed the brakes as best you can and then go find
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Brian Wringer: some wet grass and nail the front brakes or gravel.
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Brian Wringer: And then nail the front brakes to activate the ABS.
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Brian Wringer: That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
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Robin Dean: It doesn't sound like it's per the factory service manual, I'll tell you that much.
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Brian Wringer: And yeah, the factory service manual is like, use this tool to activate it.
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Brian Wringer: And that is it. That's all it says.
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Brian Wringer: The one thing I haven't really explored is going to an actual Yamaha dealer
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Brian Wringer: and saying, yo, can you do the ABS thingy and bleed the brakes?
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Brian Wringer: And they may have the tool. Oh, yeah, I think we got one in the drawer. I don't know.
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Brian Wringer: Here, you want this tool? We've had it in a drawer. We don't know what to do
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Brian Wringer: with it. So by contrast, like my refrigerator stopped refrigerating.
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Brian Wringer: And upon exploration I found that the the coils in the back were all iced over
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Brian Wringer: in the back of the freezer hold.
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Robin Dean: On hold on wait please let me I'm
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Brian Wringer: Going somewhere with.
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Robin Dean: This I need this just say just say hello
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Brian Wringer: Hello.
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Robin Dean: Hello, sir. Is the refrigerator running?
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Brian Wringer: Why, yes, it is right now.
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Robin Dean: You better go catch it.
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Robin Dean: Womp, womp, womp, womp.
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Brian Wringer: Okay, so back to the damn fridge. And there's a point here, and I promise.
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Brian Wringer: So what happens is there's a timer on one side of the fridge.
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Brian Wringer: Every certain period of time, it triggers these heaters in the freezy part of
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Brian Wringer: the fridge to melt the ice off the coils.
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Brian Wringer: And then it turns the fridge back on, this little timer.
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Brian Wringer: So what happened with my fridge and this has happened before it happened happened
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Brian Wringer: eight years ago and it happened three years ago,
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Brian Wringer: the the heaters burn out nobody knows why they just do that they're 20 bucks
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Brian Wringer: throw a new set in and at the same time replace the timer which is also 20 bucks,
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Brian Wringer: and you're good to go the point is these are,
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Brian Wringer: very simple understandable systems you can look at them with your human eyes
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Brian Wringer: and you can poke them with your fingers you can see what's going on like oh
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Brian Wringer: this part's all black and crumbly maybe that's not good and then you can implement a fix,
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Brian Wringer: i've got some parts on the way we'll get it fixed it's fine and also robin has
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Brian Wringer: a tale which we've gone into in detail about,
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Brian Wringer: mystical electronicals that get abandoned by the manufacturer,
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Brian Wringer: the triumph that decided it was always being stolen or something whatever i
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Brian Wringer: don't know what decided.
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Brian Wringer: And then the problem there was everything was a black box. There was no way,
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Brian Wringer: there's no workaround. There's no way to get in and deal with the problem.
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Brian Wringer: And Triumph just sort of goes, eh, I don't know. We don't know.
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Brian Wringer: Nothing we can do about it. Bye.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I'll figure out how to bleed the brakes on my bike. You know,
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Brian Wringer: if you just run enough fluid through it, you'll get everything and that's fine.
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Brian Wringer: The thing is, there's a contrast here.
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Brian Wringer: There's something that's actually fixable and working and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: And there's something that is troubling because there's not a fix.
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Brian Wringer: And what if I, you know, what if there's some other function I need to diagnose
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Brian Wringer: and this diagnosis tool that no longer exists isn't available?
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Brian Wringer: The bike is 11 years old.
00:22:03.154 --> 00:22:08.022
Brian Wringer: So there's always that fear. Like my GS850, I can probably, you know,
00:22:08.022 --> 00:22:12.242
Brian Wringer: with enough money, I can probably keep that thing going forever and ever until
00:22:12.242 --> 00:22:15.228
Brian Wringer: I have to park it in the kitchen work because I can't ride anymore.
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Robin Dean: Put it on a rocking seesaw. Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I used to ride that carnival ride. The point is I'm not, I'm not like old man,
00:22:24.862 --> 00:22:27.033
Brian Wringer: points and carburetors over here grumping about it.
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Brian Wringer: I really like ABS. I like electronic ignition. I like digital displays are cool and stuff like that.
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Brian Wringer: The problem is not so much that we have these new complex systems.
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Brian Wringer: The problem is, is that they are locked away from us.
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Brian Wringer: And every company is doing this. Triumph, Yamaha, Honda, everybody is doing
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Brian Wringer: this. And it's a bad idea. It's a bad thing.
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Brian Wringer: And I get emissions and so forth are a problem. You know, you have to lock.
00:22:53.736 --> 00:22:58.699
Brian Wringer: You can't allow people to fine tune mixtures and so forth. at least not easily.
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Brian Wringer: So they have to kind of lock it away.
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Robin Dean: But welcome to police state automotive.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it's to say, you know, things that aren't, things that don't need to be locked are locked.
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Brian Wringer: I really don't understand that decision. You know, can it really be like,
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Brian Wringer: oh, we want to force people to go to the dealers so the dealers make more money?
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Brian Wringer: Is that really that much of a force?
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Brian Wringer: I'm not sure what the answer is there. It's annoying.
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Robin Dean: I certainly have some fucking words for this shit.
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Brian Wringer: So the point is some newer bikes actually do have OBD2, which is the standard
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Brian Wringer: that cars use and some new some newer bikes do actually have an obd2 connector
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Brian Wringer: so you do have access to some of this data,
00:23:34.468 --> 00:23:38.705
Brian Wringer: although the manufacturers of cars and motorcycles are locking away more and
00:23:38.705 --> 00:23:42.717
Brian Wringer: more of it but you do have access to that but yeah there's these in between things,
00:23:43.176 --> 00:23:47.445
Brian Wringer: where it's not obd2 yet the diagnostic connector for my yamaha is just this
00:23:47.445 --> 00:23:50.026
Brian Wringer: four pin thing it has to translate somehow,
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Brian Wringer: still looking for a solution for that i would love to find something and know
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Brian Wringer: that the same you can't do the same you can't jump or the wires like you can
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Brian Wringer: with a super tenera i've looked into that yeah,
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Brian Wringer: casey when's out there going i know what to do it doesn't work.
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Robin Dean: Pee on the circuit board and spin around three
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Brian Wringer: Times i'd love to.
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Robin Dean: Flick a booger 50 feet
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Brian Wringer: So you've had experience with the good and the bad of all this.
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Robin Dean: I have in fact in multiple environments yeah
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Robin Dean: Everything started after the bandit. These are my words.
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Robin Dean: These are not Brian's words. These are not TRO words. These are my personal words.
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Robin Dean: Dear manufacturers, I will respectfully appreciate your struggle with surviving,
00:24:38.508 --> 00:24:45.239
Robin Dean: Even with sales, the difficulties that are imposed because of the need to improve
00:24:45.239 --> 00:24:51.000
Robin Dean: our world, to be greener, to be more caring about such things. I, too, feel that way.
00:24:51.459 --> 00:24:55.888
Robin Dean: Motorcycle, motorsports in general are the devil on my shoulder.
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Robin Dean: All of the good doing that I try to accomplish is the bad side of my psyche
00:25:01.779 --> 00:25:04.833
Robin Dean: is all about the motorcycling, and I've made a hell of a life of it.
00:25:05.298 --> 00:25:09.814
Robin Dean: I do appreciate what you go through to make motorcycles available.
00:25:10.267 --> 00:25:19.709
Robin Dean: That said, fuck you. There is no reason for you to separate us from that which
00:25:19.709 --> 00:25:22.926
Robin Dean: we own in a way that forces our hand
00:25:23.385 --> 00:25:26.154
Robin Dean: to some inaccessible subscription service.
00:25:26.613 --> 00:25:33.404
Robin Dean: There's no explanation. You cannot tell me we do that because we have to for the this and that.
00:25:33.863 --> 00:25:38.008
Robin Dean: Fuck you. So what happened when you stranded my wife,
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:45.889
Robin Dean: I brought in a friend and fellow co-host of this podcast who designs circuit
00:25:45.889 --> 00:25:49.902
Robin Dean: boards to peel it apart and investigate the situation
00:25:50.367 --> 00:25:53.850
Robin Dean: before describing to me that, yeah, this thing's melted. It's shot.
00:25:54.296 --> 00:25:57.274
Robin Dean: You got trouble. And that falls on the manufacturer.
00:25:57.727 --> 00:26:01.274
Robin Dean: For that, full on, fuck off. You did it.
00:26:01.727 --> 00:26:06.269
Robin Dean: You didn't have to. You chose to. Probably because you couldn't insure yourself
00:26:06.269 --> 00:26:11.735
Robin Dean: Around it that landed in our lap In the price tag okay I get it but
00:26:12.262 --> 00:26:20.594
Robin Dean: Now, here I am with the BMW R1200RS at the time and little things like we put
00:26:20.594 --> 00:26:24.424
Robin Dean: the TPMS inside of the rim. You didn't have to.
00:26:25.164 --> 00:26:29.623
Robin Dean: You chose to. And it was a disaster. And you overcharged for the part.
00:26:30.082 --> 00:26:31.886
Robin Dean: We can't replace the hand grips.
00:26:32.352 --> 00:26:37.112
Robin Dean: You have to replace the entire heated unit, which is a total of some $300 to $600.
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Robin Dean: Fuck off. I'm saying it a lot. Not for Brian. And he's not speaking for me,
00:26:41.544 --> 00:26:43.526
Robin Dean: and I'm not trying to represent his perspective.
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:47.503
Robin Dean: I'm representing myself here when I say that that's why I went back to Suzuki.
00:26:47.747 --> 00:26:55.764
Robin Dean: And even then, after I led demo rides for the Suzuki Corporation to sell their
00:26:55.764 --> 00:27:02.561
Robin Dean: machines, one of the on-site engineers who was there to tell people about the machine, I let him know.
00:27:03.008 --> 00:27:06.724
Robin Dean: I said, hey, man, I'm excited to buy one of these. And since I'm going to own
00:27:06.724 --> 00:27:12.475
Robin Dean: it, I need you to go ahead and tell me, how do I reset the wrench icon on the dash?
00:27:12.933 --> 00:27:16.784
Robin Dean: Because I'm allowed to because it's my machine. And the answer was, well,
00:27:19.155 --> 00:27:24.644
Robin Dean: If you keep doing this, you're going to lose. I only require two modern tech
00:27:24.644 --> 00:27:26.382
Robin Dean: standards on my machine.
00:27:26.771 --> 00:27:29.732
Robin Dean: That is fuel injection and ABS.
00:27:30.185 --> 00:27:33.714
Robin Dean: And honestly, fuel injection could be mechanical.
00:27:34.178 --> 00:27:35.904
Robin Dean: If it's going to be electric, you're going to need a computer.
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Robin Dean: Fine. Okay, cool. Whatever. But get out of our way.
00:27:39.548 --> 00:27:42.752
Robin Dean: We bought it. We're subscribed to you. We're supporting you.
00:27:43.002 --> 00:27:45.028
Robin Dean: We love riding your machines.
00:27:45.394 --> 00:27:48.348
Robin Dean: We embrace them as an extension of ourself.
00:27:48.801 --> 00:27:54.908
Robin Dean: Let us complete our personal connection to it with our own ability to maintain its status.
00:27:55.367 --> 00:27:57.213
Robin Dean: That's my rant. Too much?
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:58.468
Robin Dean: Perfect.
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Brian Wringer: Quit locking away stuff that we as owners should be able to control.
00:28:02.932 --> 00:28:04.098
Robin Dean: I will fight you on this.
00:28:04.458 --> 00:28:04.807
Brian Wringer: What's that?
00:28:05.259 --> 00:28:08.963
Robin Dean: I want analog. I don't want the TFT display. I don't want the disco ball.
00:28:09.114 --> 00:28:10.699
Robin Dean: Oh, really? I don't want the laptop.
00:28:11.140 --> 00:28:17.216
Robin Dean: I want analog dials. I want as much of it to be mechanical as is feasibly possible
00:28:17.443 --> 00:28:21.878
Robin Dean: while still trying to do better for environmental standards. Does that work?
00:28:22.273 --> 00:28:26.063
Brian Wringer: That's a good point. You can get that if you like floorboards.
00:28:27.857 --> 00:28:30.191
Robin Dean: Are you ready for segment two
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Brian Wringer: Let's go to segment two this is going to be a weird one.
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Robin Dean: This is catchphrase the proverbial proverbs of the proactive writer
00:28:39.473 --> 00:28:45.207
Robin Dean: i wish i had taken more time to write these down as i've gone about our travels
00:28:45.207 --> 00:28:50.717
Robin Dean: because i bump into so many people with so many catchphrases a few of which
00:28:50.717 --> 00:28:53.985
Robin Dean: i've included in this some of you are going to know who you are
00:28:54.450 --> 00:28:58.767
Robin Dean: i'll start with kelly howard the first one being you go ahead and complain all
00:28:58.767 --> 00:29:04.289
Robin Dean: you want we just ranted about all that stuff about our motorcycle ownership
00:29:04.568 --> 00:29:08.654
Robin Dean: yeah of a loud fast awesome two-wheeled
00:29:09.125 --> 00:29:14.467
Robin Dean: constant focus hobby you know complaining about the industry who are providing
00:29:14.467 --> 00:29:19.067
Robin Dean: us with these amazing toys to play with in the words of kelly howard all god's
00:29:19.067 --> 00:29:20.449
Robin Dean: children got problems, Robin.
00:29:22.486 --> 00:29:26.138
Robin Dean: I love that line. But the real trick is just that.
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:29.923
Robin Dean: So there are some amazing words that we've heard people say over the course.
00:29:30.166 --> 00:29:31.536
Robin Dean: Some of you will get recognition.
00:29:31.792 --> 00:29:34.869
Robin Dean: Some of you are the ones who hit me to those who should get recognition,
00:29:35.054 --> 00:29:38.917
Robin Dean: and they're not going to get recognition. But let's enjoy them and take these
00:29:38.917 --> 00:29:40.494
Robin Dean: to heart down the road with you.
00:29:40.952 --> 00:29:46.687
Robin Dean: The first and most important one in my world. Listeners, the goal is to die
00:29:46.687 --> 00:29:49.398
Robin Dean: young, as late as possible.
00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:50.211
Brian Wringer: I love it.
00:29:50.767 --> 00:29:52.544
Brian Wringer: You have to get old. You don't have to grow up.
00:29:53.002 --> 00:29:54.593
Robin Dean: Keep pulling fingers and farting.
00:29:56.561 --> 00:30:00.666
Brian Wringer: I'll pick one out that I heard, and I'm not getting the, this is an exact quote
00:30:00.666 --> 00:30:05.886
Brian Wringer: from someone like Teddy Roosevelt or somebody in that era, somebody in that mind space.
00:30:05.886 --> 00:30:10.846
Brian Wringer: And I'm having trouble finding it on the interwebs, but people love tales of
00:30:10.846 --> 00:30:16.296
Brian Wringer: adventure and an adventure is someone else having a hell of a bad time somewhere far away.
00:30:18.856 --> 00:30:24.286
Brian Wringer: When things happen that are unexpected perhaps even could be perceived as possibly
00:30:24.286 --> 00:30:27.372
Brian Wringer: maybe negative it's just going to make a good story.
00:30:27.831 --> 00:30:31.285
Robin Dean: What's the other version of that adventures always suck while you're having them
00:30:31.738 --> 00:30:35.776
Brian Wringer: Yeah that's the modern version of that one you know how many tales have we told
00:30:35.776 --> 00:30:41.397
Brian Wringer: here on this show yeah of things that kind of sucked in the moment but made a great story later.
00:30:41.856 --> 00:30:45.734
Robin Dean: Here to tell the tale. Sort of bridging off of what I said before,
00:30:46.186 --> 00:30:50.116
Robin Dean: I think this is my way of reminding everyone out there that it's okay to feel
00:30:50.116 --> 00:30:52.717
Robin Dean: what you're feeling and it's okay to
00:30:53.176 --> 00:30:57.686
Robin Dean: put it into words with care and respect and appreciation.
00:30:58.145 --> 00:31:02.307
Robin Dean: But the fact of the matter is that life is finite. And this is the phrase,
00:31:02.754 --> 00:31:05.087
Robin Dean: one of the hardest truths about life
00:31:05.552 --> 00:31:10.126
Robin Dean: is that none of us are getting out of this alive whatever time is allotted that's
00:31:10.126 --> 00:31:13.387
Robin Dean: the time you got you don't need to accelerate that
00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:20.296
Robin Dean: process but at the same time do appreciate every moment that you have with as
00:31:20.296 --> 00:31:26.581
Robin Dean: much gratitude as you can muster and also appreciate in hindsight those moments when you could not
00:31:27.040 --> 00:31:32.224
Robin Dean: source that appreciation sometimes you can handle it sometimes you can't nice
00:31:32.753 --> 00:31:34.814
Robin Dean: Cheer us up, Brian. Cheer us up.
00:31:35.243 --> 00:31:40.775
Brian Wringer: This has actually happened early in the day. Well, it could be worse. What if it was raining?
00:31:42.227 --> 00:31:46.836
Brian Wringer: Later in the day in Wisconsin, this happened. Could be worse. What if it were snowing?
00:31:47.283 --> 00:31:48.020
Robin Dean: Oh, God.
00:31:48.467 --> 00:31:53.874
Brian Wringer: And then, honest to God, later in the day, could be worse. What if it were snowing
00:31:53.874 --> 00:31:56.780
Brian Wringer: and it got below 20 degrees?
00:31:57.244 --> 00:31:59.119
Robin Dean: Did this happen in Wisconsin during a scouting run?
00:31:59.572 --> 00:32:03.635
Brian Wringer: Not during a scouting run. During a rally. I don't know what year it's been an age.
00:32:04.106 --> 00:32:08.764
Brian Wringer: I swear to God, it started out 80-degree day. It was a little chilly in the
00:32:08.764 --> 00:32:11.488
Brian Wringer: morning, like in the 40s. So that happened.
00:32:11.947 --> 00:32:16.274
Brian Wringer: I guess it could still get worse, but I don't even want to name that which may
00:32:16.274 --> 00:32:21.450
Brian Wringer: happen. Anyway, it was also a very weird day. We hit the Illinois border.
00:32:21.908 --> 00:32:23.594
Brian Wringer: Suddenly, it was like 50 degrees.
00:32:24.314 --> 00:32:30.174
Brian Wringer: It was dry and 50 degrees. There was something that wanted us to leave Wisconsin. Get out.
00:32:30.958 --> 00:32:32.038
Robin Dean: Yeah, I hear you, fibs.
00:32:32.508 --> 00:32:38.534
Brian Wringer: And I'll throw in one bonus one. And I heard this was a couple days earlier on that same ride.
00:32:38.998 --> 00:32:41.761
Brian Wringer: Somebody was riding a Hayabusa for what reason, I know not.
00:32:42.226 --> 00:32:45.084
Brian Wringer: And then somebody else said, man, how fast are you going back there,
00:32:45.084 --> 00:32:49.987
Brian Wringer: dude? You know, he kind of like very slowly said, I don't know, man.
00:32:50.446 --> 00:32:53.261
Brian Wringer: Busa speeds, man. Yeah.
00:32:53.934 --> 00:32:55.548
Brian Wringer: I don't know. That really stuck with me.
00:32:56.007 --> 00:33:02.166
Robin Dean: This one, I don't agree with. I like it for anyone who's trying to be careful in their later years.
00:33:02.630 --> 00:33:03.442
Brian Wringer: Oh, yeah.
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:08.077
Robin Dean: But I don't agree with it. Here's the phrase. There are old riders and there
00:33:08.077 --> 00:33:12.596
Robin Dean: are bold riders, but there are no old, bold riders.
00:33:13.049 --> 00:33:16.787
Robin Dean: I think it's a great self-governing phrase if you need it.
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:23.457
Robin Dean: I know way too many legitimately bold, old riders.
00:33:23.916 --> 00:33:28.438
Robin Dean: Who would never admit to whatever they were doing as being bold.
00:33:28.897 --> 00:33:32.559
Robin Dean: Take that for what it is. And then I'll double up. I see the one you got here.
00:33:33.018 --> 00:33:34.301
Robin Dean: You want me to try to tell the story?
00:33:34.765 --> 00:33:37.871
Brian Wringer: Yeah, I put a related one in there. Okay, go for it. Yeah, it's a good story.
00:33:38.335 --> 00:33:41.987
Robin Dean: Shout out to my Motivid people. This is the first time I ever heard this phrase.
00:33:42.335 --> 00:33:46.387
Robin Dean: And I even invented a story that didn't happen to describe it to other people
00:33:46.387 --> 00:33:48.506
Robin Dean: in hopes that it would be more effective for them.
00:33:48.970 --> 00:33:53.877
Robin Dean: Never be afraid to ad lib. Never be afraid to adapt. Be ready to tell a story
00:33:53.877 --> 00:33:55.820
Robin Dean: in a way where it's receivable.
00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:04.724
Robin Dean: When you get to the turn, turn. Meaning do not deviate from the skills you use
00:34:05.188 --> 00:34:08.305
Robin Dean: to practice the activity that you are practicing.
00:34:08.648 --> 00:34:14.917
Robin Dean: When you get to the turn even if the bike's gonna low side keep on turning just
00:34:14.917 --> 00:34:23.155
Robin Dean: keep doing what you were taught what you understand and whatever works when you get to the turn turn
00:34:24.597 --> 00:34:28.524
Robin Dean: i'll give you one more and then we'll move on to jordan here's the baton
00:34:28.983 --> 00:34:30.480
Brian Wringer: So related to that story,
00:34:30.945 --> 00:34:35.508
Brian Wringer: This one's simple. When in doubt, throttle out. It's one you hear, you hear it everywhere.
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.378
Brian Wringer: It kind of reminds you Mr. Throttle is or can be your friend.
00:34:40.819 --> 00:34:44.314
Brian Wringer: It can help you manage your weight transfer. So I love that one.
00:34:44.766 --> 00:34:45.440
Robin Dean: Absolutely.
00:34:45.898 --> 00:34:49.014
Brian Wringer: This is another, I don't know why I've come up with Wisconsin stories.
00:34:49.014 --> 00:34:53.584
Brian Wringer: I was just there, I guess. So we've used this one actually many times in many places.
00:34:53.584 --> 00:34:59.482
Brian Wringer: Because the story is, you know, when milling around in the morning and your,
00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:02.221
Brian Wringer: people are asking questions and things like that,
00:35:02.912 --> 00:35:06.584
Brian Wringer: what happens when you have a lot of people around, a lot of riders around is
00:35:06.584 --> 00:35:12.153
Brian Wringer: that a lot of them want to give up their agency and they want someone else to decide things for them.
00:35:12.612 --> 00:35:18.980
Brian Wringer: And what I found is very crucial to do, you just have to force people to become,
00:35:19.433 --> 00:35:24.193
Brian Wringer: humans again and think for themselves and get on their bikes and go do something.
00:35:24.657 --> 00:35:28.044
Brian Wringer: The shorthand for that is, you know, when there's a situation or there's,
00:35:28.044 --> 00:35:30.124
Brian Wringer: you know, nobody, oh, I don't know where to ride with or where are you going?
00:35:30.124 --> 00:35:31.211
Brian Wringer: What are you doing? What are you doing?
00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:33.881
Brian Wringer: You know what I do? I leave.
00:35:35.692 --> 00:35:38.589
Brian Wringer: And we've used that. Just leave.
00:35:39.036 --> 00:35:39.303
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:35:39.762 --> 00:35:42.902
Brian Wringer: I've got a plan. there are some people that may or may not,
00:35:43.367 --> 00:35:48.284
Brian Wringer: want to come with me Robin's often in that group often I'm in Robin's block
00:35:48.284 --> 00:35:52.534
Brian Wringer: or whatever just leave just get get it make it make everybody else turn back
00:35:52.534 --> 00:35:58.039
Brian Wringer: into an opposable thumbed being and and figure it out but sometimes,
00:35:58.504 --> 00:36:00.228
Brian Wringer: yeah just leave yeah.
00:36:00.767 --> 00:36:03.769
Robin Dean: What are we going to do? I just go, who's a fat old fast guy? Bye.
00:36:03.769 --> 00:36:05.475
Brian Wringer: Oh God. Yeah. That guy.
00:36:05.585 --> 00:36:07.286
Robin Dean: Don't say anything. Just slowly leave.
00:36:07.750 --> 00:36:12.029
Brian Wringer: Yeah. I've been at a rally or something and, and I'll see like somebody newish
00:36:12.029 --> 00:36:15.546
Brian Wringer: and they'll be talking to other people and they'll look over and they'll point at me.
00:36:15.987 --> 00:36:18.605
Brian Wringer: And that is my cue to GTFO.
00:36:19.064 --> 00:36:19.372
Robin Dean: Yes.
00:36:19.766 --> 00:36:24.677
Brian Wringer: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't ask. You go be an independent human being. Bye-bye.
00:36:25.136 --> 00:36:30.049
Robin Dean: It wasn't the first time you and I had interacted. It was the first time that
00:36:30.049 --> 00:36:34.649
Robin Dean: I was presented with friendly options and you and I didn't necessarily know
00:36:34.649 --> 00:36:36.119
Robin Dean: each other very well yet.
00:36:36.566 --> 00:36:40.322
Robin Dean: It was made clear to me who you were, what you represented for the forums.
00:36:40.781 --> 00:36:44.107
Robin Dean: And I made the, it was a total personal decision.
00:36:44.565 --> 00:36:51.154
Robin Dean: No, I'm not following this person. I'm not there yet. I'm on a 400cc Yamaha Seika.
00:36:51.618 --> 00:36:55.529
Robin Dean: No, I'm not there yet. And I followed somebody around that I knew would go pretty
00:36:55.529 --> 00:36:58.455
Robin Dean: quick and I learned a thing or two. And eventually here we are.
00:36:58.897 --> 00:37:03.069
Robin Dean: I'm going to conclude this into Jordan's segment by mentioning a couple of artistic
00:37:03.069 --> 00:37:07.163
Robin Dean: things that I believe some of you out there might appreciate in a way where
00:37:07.476 --> 00:37:09.967
Robin Dean: you can apply it to the music of motorcycling.
00:37:11.203 --> 00:37:14.495
Robin Dean: I say artistic from some of the great musicians of the world.
00:37:14.953 --> 00:37:19.806
Robin Dean: The first is there are two kinds of music, good and the other kind.
00:37:20.247 --> 00:37:23.800
Robin Dean: You're either writing well or you're not. Take that to heart.
00:37:24.259 --> 00:37:28.485
Robin Dean: Also, good artists create, great artists steal.
00:37:28.926 --> 00:37:35.152
Robin Dean: So if you can nab a map or a technique or every one of the phrases that Brian
00:37:35.152 --> 00:37:40.124
Robin Dean: and I just poured on to this segment, steal it, use it, go forth and do better.
00:37:40.582 --> 00:37:44.482
Robin Dean: Even if you're still adapting it yourself. These are phrases that people could
00:37:44.482 --> 00:37:48.152
Robin Dean: use a good listening to that will give them their own perspective of self,
00:37:48.152 --> 00:37:51.693
Robin Dean: which is going to get into what I want to talk about next episode if I decide to go that complex.
00:37:52.152 --> 00:37:56.732
Brian Wringer: Very mysterious. I look forward to it. Segment three, moments in motorcycle
00:37:56.732 --> 00:37:58.594
Brian Wringer: history with Jordan Liebman.
00:37:59.053 --> 00:38:03.272
Brian Wringer: So Jordan just left off where Joey Dunlop went from needing to stop and wait
00:38:03.272 --> 00:38:09.015
Brian Wringer: for other riders to pass him so he knew where to go to passing and outriding his own mentor.
00:38:09.450 --> 00:38:14.012
Brian Wringer: That's got to be one hell of a feeling, a sort of uh-oh moment that's only exaggerated
00:38:14.012 --> 00:38:16.764
Brian Wringer: by the speeds at which true-to-form professionals compete at,
00:38:17.188 --> 00:38:20.067
Brian Wringer: under the awestruck eyes of us normal, everyday rotors.
00:38:40.362 --> 00:38:46.681
Jordan Liebman: When locating a place to film from at a jump over a bridge, Davey Wallace stopped
00:38:46.681 --> 00:38:50.714
Jordan Liebman: to ask a race fan nearby where he should set up his camera.
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:54.604
Jordan Liebman: The race fan answered him, and it's basically summed up Joey,
00:38:55.068 --> 00:38:56.537
Jordan Liebman: that he was just this disciplined.
00:38:57.001 --> 00:39:03.729
Jordan Liebman: Seeing dozens of racers on this race course, he says, they land all over the place except Joey.
00:39:04.176 --> 00:39:09.221
Jordan Liebman: Wherever you see Joey land on lap one, you could put a coin down on the spot
00:39:09.221 --> 00:39:11.572
Jordan Liebman: and he'll hit it on every lap after that.
00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:15.833
Jordan Liebman: But imagine that. He's jumping over a bridge, and these guys are flying all over the place.
00:39:16.088 --> 00:39:18.911
Jordan Liebman: You can never guess where the front wheel's gonna land after jumping over this
00:39:18.911 --> 00:39:20.461
Jordan Liebman: bridge, and every single time
00:39:20.461 --> 00:39:24.807
Jordan Liebman: Joey's front tire lands in exactly the same spot. That's how Joey raced.
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:28.400
Jordan Liebman: Joey was fast and fearless, but he didn't fall off that often.
00:39:28.714 --> 00:39:31.460
Jordan Liebman: You can't afford to fall off. You're pretty much paying for everything yourself.
00:39:31.895 --> 00:39:36.671
Jordan Liebman: Merv and Frank did most of the falling off, and both of the latter spent most
00:39:36.671 --> 00:39:39.099
Jordan Liebman: of the 1977 season on the sidelines.
00:39:39.376 --> 00:39:44.011
Jordan Liebman: Joey had to carry the flag for the team. At the 1977 Cookstown 100,
00:39:44.011 --> 00:39:51.039
Jordan Liebman: Joey beat Ray McCulloch, Joey's hero again, fair and square, in the Premier 500 race.
00:39:51.457 --> 00:39:55.451
Jordan Liebman: Until then, being ahead of Ray McCulloch made Joey think he was in danger.
00:39:55.451 --> 00:40:00.321
Jordan Liebman: So it is at this point that Joey's actually beating Ray McCulloch,
00:40:00.774 --> 00:40:04.454
Jordan Liebman: and it scares the shit out of him, because if he's beating Ray McCulloch,
00:40:04.791 --> 00:40:08.111
Jordan Liebman: he's, in his mind, doing something really fucking dangerous.
00:40:08.891 --> 00:40:14.631
Jordan Liebman: Like I probably shouldn't be I should not be up here and so it made Joey think
00:40:14.631 --> 00:40:19.570
Jordan Liebman: he was in danger like he must be going too fast and was apt to make some kind of mistake but
00:40:20.122 --> 00:40:24.620
Jordan Liebman: After that race of the Cookstown 100, Joey didn't think that way anymore.
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.605
Jordan Liebman: And after the Temple 100, this is another race, and beating Ray McCulloch for
00:40:29.605 --> 00:40:34.055
Jordan Liebman: the third time, this is his hero, Joey swore out loud that he'd never go that
00:40:34.055 --> 00:40:36.207
Jordan Liebman: fast again because that scared the shit out of him.
00:40:36.352 --> 00:40:40.368
Jordan Liebman: He's realizing that he's pushing the envelope of his own ability on these.
00:40:40.838 --> 00:40:44.995
Jordan Liebman: Now he's riding race machinery. He's not riding his Tiger Cub 200,
00:40:45.215 --> 00:40:48.935
Jordan Liebman: and he's not riding the Suzuki Invader, He's not riding the AJS-7R,
00:40:48.935 --> 00:40:52.495
Jordan Liebman: and he's not riding the, what did I say, the Air Mach-E and the AJS-7R,
00:40:52.495 --> 00:40:54.625
Jordan Liebman: and he's not riding the junk.
00:40:54.625 --> 00:40:59.548
Jordan Liebman: He's riding quality machinery, and he's able to now beat his heroes.
00:41:00.012 --> 00:41:05.955
Jordan Liebman: He said Joey was never going to go that fast again, but Joey would go that fast
00:41:05.955 --> 00:41:09.120
Jordan Liebman: again many, many times after that.
00:41:09.579 --> 00:41:13.277
Jordan Liebman: So you start by pushing the envelope, by scaring the shit out of yourself,
00:41:13.636 --> 00:41:17.561
Jordan Liebman: and then realizing the envelope is deeper than you thought it was.
00:41:18.013 --> 00:41:23.818
Jordan Liebman: At the 1977 Northwest 200, he takes second place to Tony Rutter. But
00:41:24.382 --> 00:41:28.666
Jordan Liebman: In that race, he still forced Ray McCulloch into third place.
00:41:29.118 --> 00:41:32.787
Jordan Liebman: So he didn't take first place, but he beat his hero again.
00:41:33.246 --> 00:41:38.359
Jordan Liebman: After the Northwest 200, Armoy Armada went to their second Isle of Man TT,
00:41:38.753 --> 00:41:42.527
Jordan Liebman: again on a rented fishing boat per Joey's insistence.
00:41:42.997 --> 00:41:47.438
Jordan Liebman: Joey didn't like to fly, and he didn't like to trust his equipment to anybody else.
00:41:47.815 --> 00:41:53.516
Jordan Liebman: He got a fishing boat and loaded everything on there, and his tools don't leave his sight.
00:41:53.887 --> 00:42:00.824
Jordan Liebman: That's the way it was. And so Joey goes to the Isle of Man for the second time in 1977.
00:42:01.283 --> 00:42:05.207
Jordan Liebman: Now, the Isle of Man TT had been stripped of its world GP status,
00:42:05.509 --> 00:42:10.313
Jordan Liebman: and there was a lot of pressure to make a spectacular showing of it among the
00:42:10.313 --> 00:42:12.126
Jordan Liebman: racers to keep its popularity.
00:42:12.585 --> 00:42:17.853
Jordan Liebman: The ACU, the Auto Cycle Union, backed by the FIM, the Federation Internationale
00:42:17.853 --> 00:42:25.460
Jordan Liebman: Motorcyclismo, whatever, had a new concept and they announced three new world championship classes
00:42:25.925 --> 00:42:31.113
Jordan Liebman: formula one formula two and formula three to make up for their lost gp status
00:42:31.113 --> 00:42:34.443
Jordan Liebman: okay so you see this kind of shit happening at the ama here all the time too
00:42:34.443 --> 00:42:35.931
Jordan Liebman: right they changed the rules
00:42:36.406 --> 00:42:41.760
Jordan Liebman: For some reason, and it's usually financial, or to help somebody out that has
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:46.024
Jordan Liebman: favoritism, they do this shit. But this is something that was supposed to help
00:42:46.490 --> 00:42:50.987
Jordan Liebman: the Isle of Man keep its fan base and keep the money rolling in.
00:42:51.447 --> 00:42:57.704
Jordan Liebman: So they had Formula 3, which was two strokes over 125 cc's and up to 250 cc's,
00:42:58.139 --> 00:43:03.764
Jordan Liebman: and four strokes over 200 cc's and up to 400 cc's. That's Formula 3.
00:43:04.171 --> 00:43:10.650
Jordan Liebman: Formula 2 is two strokes over 250 cc's and up to 350 cc's, which covers all
00:43:10.650 --> 00:43:13.673
Jordan Liebman: these Yamahas and a couple of Kawasaki and Suzukis.
00:43:14.138 --> 00:43:17.441
Jordan Liebman: And four strokes over 400 cc's and up to 600 cc's.
00:43:17.906 --> 00:43:25.450
Jordan Liebman: Now, this is 1977. At 1977, we have yet to see the Japanese embrace a 600 cc
00:43:25.450 --> 00:43:27.531
Jordan Liebman: class, which was huge in the 80s.
00:43:27.994 --> 00:43:34.570
Jordan Liebman: And Formula 1 was called Premier, and that's two strokes over 350 cc's and up
00:43:34.570 --> 00:43:39.417
Jordan Liebman: to 500 cc's and four strokes over 600 cc's up to 1,000 cc's.
00:43:39.649 --> 00:43:45.825
Jordan Liebman: So you could race a 350 to 500 cc two-stroke against 1,000 cc four-stroke.
00:43:45.890 --> 00:43:52.479
Jordan Liebman: In 1977, you had a KZ1000. You had other bikes in the 1,000 cc class, right?
00:43:52.937 --> 00:43:55.310
Jordan Liebman: And you're racing 500 cc two-stroke.
00:43:55.910 --> 00:44:01.151
Jordan Liebman: Maybe it's a Suzuki Gamma 400 four-stroke. Look that one up.
00:44:01.604 --> 00:44:09.150
Jordan Liebman: This is wicked toolage here for a racetrack. A two-stroke square four engine.
00:44:09.644 --> 00:44:11.879
Jordan Liebman: Liquid-cooled, I believe. Just wicked toolage.
00:44:12.687 --> 00:44:17.210
Jordan Liebman: Race that against a four-stroke four-cylinder. All right, so imagine you got
00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:22.741
Jordan Liebman: a six-sided die and the number four is facing up. Those are your cylinders.
00:44:23.205 --> 00:44:28.209
Jordan Liebman: And it's basically front to back, a pair of engines sandwiched together.
00:44:28.662 --> 00:44:31.528
Jordan Liebman: They don't have to fire kitty-corner to each other.
00:44:31.807 --> 00:44:36.700
Jordan Liebman: It depends on how the cranks are set, but you have a two-stroke engine that's
00:44:36.700 --> 00:44:42.117
Jordan Liebman: really compact and liquid cooled, and you're packing it into a small space.
00:44:42.581 --> 00:44:48.920
Jordan Liebman: 500cc, you could make a 500cc two-stroke inline four. The TZ500 wasn't inline
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.795
Jordan Liebman: four. They were sandwiched side to side.
00:44:51.630 --> 00:44:55.310
Jordan Liebman: It's like two parallel twins front to back. You could look up the Ariel Square
00:44:55.310 --> 00:45:01.430
Jordan Liebman: 4, which started, I believe, as a 600cc bike and made 1,000 eventually in a Mark V.
00:45:01.883 --> 00:45:05.215
Jordan Liebman: That's kind of the idea, but this is a two-stroke. There are all kinds of different
00:45:05.685 --> 00:45:11.449
Jordan Liebman: iterations of how to make a multi-cylinder two-stroke. And there were triples,
00:45:11.653 --> 00:45:13.853
Jordan Liebman: there were fives, there were sixes.
00:45:14.305 --> 00:45:16.980
Jordan Liebman: You know, I don't know if there were seven, but there were just all these,
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:22.792
Jordan Liebman: this is, they let the scientists loose in the laboratory to see what they could come up with, you know?
00:45:23.251 --> 00:45:30.935
Jordan Liebman: So like the RG500 Gamma was one of them and the TZ500 and, you know, Kawasaki had theirs.
00:45:31.388 --> 00:45:35.040
Jordan Liebman: Type in RG500 Gamma engine. Look at how the engine looks.
00:45:35.504 --> 00:45:40.206
Jordan Liebman: The rear exhaust face backwards like how compact can you possibly make this
00:45:40.659 --> 00:45:43.747
Jordan Liebman: because they're just trying to win races I mean it's
00:45:44.315 --> 00:45:48.473
Jordan Liebman: Short of just making it a lump of metal with no moving parts,
00:45:48.473 --> 00:45:49.586
Jordan Liebman: this is as close as you get.
00:45:50.044 --> 00:45:56.163
Jordan Liebman: And you mount it low and it's canted forward, you know, probably 35 degrees in the frame.
00:45:56.622 --> 00:46:01.363
Jordan Liebman: That's really low and makes a shit ton of power. How many horsepower did the
00:46:01.363 --> 00:46:04.853
Jordan Liebman: RG500 make, you know, against a four-stroke thousand?
00:46:05.306 --> 00:46:08.748
Jordan Liebman: And the whole bike soaking wet's probably 305 pounds.
00:46:09.207 --> 00:46:12.550
Jordan Liebman: And like I said earlier, when we talked about the Daytona races,
00:46:13.015 --> 00:46:21.061
Jordan Liebman: Giacomo Agostini won Daytona, I think it was 75 or 76 after Dick Mann on a TZ750.
00:46:21.508 --> 00:46:26.755
Jordan Liebman: But it took years for the tire technology to catch up with the horsepower technology.
00:46:27.194 --> 00:46:31.601
Jordan Liebman: The old tire technology could not hold up to that kind of horsepower.
00:46:31.973 --> 00:46:34.915
Jordan Liebman: And those kind of stresses and the tires literally exploded.
00:46:35.373 --> 00:46:39.727
Jordan Liebman: They were probably just beyond bias ply at that point. It's just an example
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Jordan Liebman: of what they could do with a two-stroke.
00:46:42.305 --> 00:46:47.893
Jordan Liebman: How compact can you make it? It is a knuckle underneath the pair of nuts in
00:46:47.893 --> 00:46:51.093
Jordan Liebman: between your frame tubes. There's no weight.
00:46:51.575 --> 00:46:56.879
Jordan Liebman: High up in the frame. And it's making gobs of power. And probably the race version
00:46:56.879 --> 00:46:58.896
Jordan Liebman: has made more power. That's my guess.
00:46:59.361 --> 00:47:01.959
Jordan Liebman: And they change all kinds of things on there. They change timing.
00:47:01.959 --> 00:47:04.893
Jordan Liebman: They change valve timing. They got spark advance.
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Jordan Liebman: Quote from Mick Grant. He didn't approve of the new classifications of the Isle
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Jordan Liebman: of Man. He says, how can you take a world championship seriously when it's only
00:47:16.049 --> 00:47:17.867
Jordan Liebman: one round? Okay, so this was the thing.
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Jordan Liebman: The new Isle of Man, Formula One, Formula 2 and Formula 3, you raced it once
00:47:23.189 --> 00:47:25.361
Jordan Liebman: and you either won or didn't win, right?
00:47:25.806 --> 00:47:30.829
Jordan Liebman: So everything's got to start somewhere. So Mick Grant, it wasn't a world championship,
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Jordan Liebman: in my opinion, in the early days.
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Jordan Liebman: I took every race I entered seriously, but to sit there with a smug look on
00:47:36.819 --> 00:47:40.626
Jordan Liebman: your face, thinking you were a world champion after one round,
00:47:40.823 --> 00:47:42.449
Jordan Liebman: I think that would have been embarrassing.
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Jordan Liebman: If that was my only claim to fame, I'd certainly be embarrassed.
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Jordan Liebman: But everything's got to start somewhere and once it got going and had a lot
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Jordan Liebman: more rounds it was a different ballgame
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Robin Dean: Outstanding episode as I see an Africa twin rider roll in on a lowered Africa twin. Strange.
00:48:22.807 --> 00:48:27.721
Robin Dean: Yeah, man, Jordan, I think we have one more episode. So now is the hard part.
00:48:27.721 --> 00:48:32.367
Robin Dean: I got to start casting the freaking shark fishing line to get him to sit down,
00:48:32.663 --> 00:48:35.491
Robin Dean: booze up with me again and talk some shop. That'll be fun.
00:48:35.955 --> 00:48:39.246
Robin Dean: Afterwards, I've got some ideas for the next episode.
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Robin Dean: Hear me out here. One is extremely philosophical and complex.
00:48:45.017 --> 00:48:47.275
Robin Dean: The other is simple and fun.
00:48:47.722 --> 00:48:51.948
Robin Dean: I'd rather do the simple and fun, which means we should probably do the ornate and complex.
00:48:52.412 --> 00:48:53.985
Robin Dean: Things to talk about next time.
00:48:54.601 --> 00:48:58.838
Robin Dean: I like this subject, but only in front of the bathroom mirror.
00:48:59.303 --> 00:49:07.546
Robin Dean: Self-awareness, self-assessment, and what amount of our writer mindset makes it into public view.
00:49:07.993 --> 00:49:11.841
Robin Dean: I run into this a lot. I'm not going to say in what environment,
00:49:12.254 --> 00:49:15.991
Robin Dean: whether it's writing or training, do with that what you will,
00:49:16.455 --> 00:49:19.892
Robin Dean: but maybe a little bit of both, maybe more specifically one.
00:49:20.356 --> 00:49:25.267
Robin Dean: Can we catch ourselves when we are listening to respond?
00:49:26.608 --> 00:49:31.699
Robin Dean: How do we determine when it's time to receive advice versus doling it out?
00:49:32.140 --> 00:49:37.491
Robin Dean: In those instances where someone is overconfidently trying to undermine our
00:49:37.491 --> 00:49:43.593
Robin Dean: better advice, how do we a confirm our take to be the better of the two or b
00:49:43.791 --> 00:49:45.294
Robin Dean: surrender to the structure
00:49:45.753 --> 00:49:51.047
Robin Dean: of their comments proving to be a new mental path worth considering the point
00:49:51.593 --> 00:49:54.098
Robin Dean: So many writers out there will hear this and say to themselves,
00:49:54.098 --> 00:49:58.350
Robin Dean: yeah, oh, yeah, totally. I am the writer with the advice that they should hear.
00:49:58.797 --> 00:50:03.018
Robin Dean: They just don't get it, you know. I hear you, Robin. I sure wish them dare peoples
00:50:03.018 --> 00:50:05.066
Robin Dean: would hear my legend in my own mind status.
00:50:05.530 --> 00:50:08.638
Robin Dean: They need to learn something from someone who doesn't know they have social
00:50:08.638 --> 00:50:09.960
Robin Dean: toilet paper stuck to their shoes.
00:50:10.430 --> 00:50:13.808
Robin Dean: People that think, they're so certain, you know, that whole,
00:50:13.808 --> 00:50:20.261
Robin Dean: like, what I like to do is listening to response mechanism or inability to determine.
00:50:20.720 --> 00:50:25.399
Robin Dean: There's a lot of talk about how people in certain environments
00:50:25.863 --> 00:50:31.238
Robin Dean: need to be the recipient of new information without knowing whether or not their
00:50:31.238 --> 00:50:36.178
Robin Dean: information is the right information they just want to be the person who knows
00:50:36.178 --> 00:50:39.798
Robin Dean: the thing and if you don't receive it well they smirk and
00:50:40.794 --> 00:50:46.698
Robin Dean: Lead a horse to water kind of vibe when they just don't know that it's not good
00:50:46.698 --> 00:50:53.588
Robin Dean: info or just not a big enough deal to make such a hubbub out of or to critique somebody based on.
00:50:54.042 --> 00:50:58.330
Robin Dean: Then again, truth is sometimes it is worth noting. They did nail it.
00:50:58.795 --> 00:51:04.518
Robin Dean: And it's very difficult to gauge this. But everybody that I've heard talk about
00:51:04.518 --> 00:51:12.122
Robin Dean: this subject wants to be the one who provided the superior truth on the given subject.
00:51:12.586 --> 00:51:17.558
Robin Dean: And all too often I discover it's just bloated overconfidence because you might
00:51:17.558 --> 00:51:22.611
Robin Dean: run into two people who have very differing opinions about that exact thing.
00:51:23.053 --> 00:51:27.578
Robin Dean: That means that one of them is going to claim that they taught you everything
00:51:27.578 --> 00:51:33.868
Robin Dean: you know about what you agree with, and the other is going to snicker and walk
00:51:33.868 --> 00:51:37.043
Robin Dean: away thinking you just don't get it.
00:51:37.484 --> 00:51:41.798
Robin Dean: And that is at every intersection of every conversation, which is,
00:51:41.798 --> 00:51:45.668
Robin Dean: I got to be honest with you, why I'm always trying to outrun everyone because
00:51:45.668 --> 00:51:48.589
Robin Dean: i don't want to fucking hear it so maybe we should talk about that
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Brian Wringer: There's a lot of different topics in there.
00:51:52.444 --> 00:51:57.784
Robin Dean: Yeah. Or we could talk about how I really want to make an enclosed trailer garage
00:51:57.784 --> 00:51:59.856
Robin Dean: out of a flatbed. Maybe that'll be good.
00:52:00.205 --> 00:52:02.428
Brian Wringer: You're going to be one of those guys towing a trailer with a trailer.
00:52:02.886 --> 00:52:07.184
Robin Dean: Absolutely not. This place where we stay is so beautiful and there's so many
00:52:07.184 --> 00:52:09.533
Robin Dean: gorgeous... You've been here. It's just lovely.
00:52:09.991 --> 00:52:12.905
Robin Dean: They have sites that have sheds. They're 12 by 12s.
00:52:13.369 --> 00:52:16.997
Robin Dean: Steel frame, tin roof, concrete mounted awnings and things like that.
00:52:17.456 --> 00:52:21.614
Robin Dean: And the truth of the matter is we could take any site here and be absolutely
00:52:21.614 --> 00:52:24.514
Robin Dean: happy if we didn't have to say, make sure it's got a shed.
00:52:24.514 --> 00:52:29.257
Robin Dean: I'd like to have a trailer that I leave in this park in the storage area,
00:52:29.571 --> 00:52:32.954
Robin Dean: which is next to no cost on a monthly so that I can get here,
00:52:32.954 --> 00:52:39.064
Robin Dean: drag that thing to any site, awning, shed or not, and have everything I need in terms of a garage.
00:52:39.064 --> 00:52:45.664
Robin Dean: I'm looking for something that is eight feet by 16 feet that is either sub $5,000
00:52:45.664 --> 00:52:46.812
Robin Dean: and doesn't look like hell.
00:52:47.276 --> 00:52:52.194
Robin Dean: I don't need to make it street legal or a flatbed that I can build into a little
00:52:52.194 --> 00:52:55.234
Robin Dean: garage shack that doesn't look so bad. They want to kick us out for being trailer
00:52:55.234 --> 00:52:58.102
Robin Dean: trash, such as the concept. What do you think, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: I like, I like the first one.
00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:01.295
Robin Dean: Damn it.
00:53:01.847 --> 00:53:03.425
Brian Wringer: But there's, there's a lot there.
00:53:03.878 --> 00:53:04.267
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:53:04.813 --> 00:53:06.595
Brian Wringer: There's a lot of stuff we've talked about before.
00:53:07.761 --> 00:53:13.344
Brian Wringer: Being receptive, being open, beginner mind. And there's a lot about social interactions,
00:53:13.803 --> 00:53:17.942
Brian Wringer: being worried about how you're perceived and why that's BS, that kind of thing.
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.111
Brian Wringer: I don't know, chew on it and surprise me next week.
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Robin Dean: This might be one of those ones where you have to shut down all operations,
00:53:24.931 --> 00:53:32.596
Robin Dean: record it, zero anything, just that topic front to back and let it become whatever
00:53:32.596 --> 00:53:34.686
Robin Dean: it's going to become. But the conversation needs to happen.
00:53:35.687 --> 00:53:40.778
Brian Wringer: Or we just do alliteration grab baguette about six times and call it an episode,
00:53:41.237 --> 00:53:42.531
Brian Wringer: that would actually be kind of fun.
00:53:42.990 --> 00:53:46.526
Robin Dean: That would be so we've got three concepts for the next three episodes are already
00:53:46.526 --> 00:53:51.216
Robin Dean: done we got this covered satisfied beautibous you ready to go
00:53:51.721 --> 00:53:52.115
Brian Wringer: Let's go.