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What's up, guys, It's another Tuesday. I'm back. There's a
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lot of strangeness, and tonight I've got some stories for everybody.
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A little conspiracy, little strange true crime, a little bit
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of strangeness all around. Like the world's not strange enough,
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I'll bring some more strangeness to you.
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So we've been trying to get these out every Tuesday
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for you guys. I'll try.
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I mean, summers are pretty open for me right now
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for the most part. Uh So Tuesdays should be good.
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A lot going on, but Tuesdays seemed to work. I
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think I can. I can handle that. But yeah, so
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I've been I've been uh in the in the house
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a little bit.
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Today.
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I had there was an urgent care yesterday. Being dumb,
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uh hit myself with a set of hedge clippers and
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my knee and uh luckily no stitches, so that's one
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good thing. There was no stitches involved. But uh, yeah,
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I got it. I got a little banged up, a
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little uh mere flesh wound, I guess as you would say.
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But so there's some stuff today.
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We're gonna do some conspiracy on this, uh these digital
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price tags. If you haven't seen anything on that and
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also the kidnapping of in disappearance of Stephen Stephen Stainer. Uh,
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so let's get into it right into it tonight, today,
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this afternoon, whatever time you were listening or whatever time
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I'm recording. It's all a mystery. So came across this
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a couple of times in the last week or so,
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did you guys?
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Have you guys?
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I don't go to Walmart, so I don't know if
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I can really prove this out, but I've seen a
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lot of people on there with the making videos on
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these electric shelf labels. They're eesls, so small digital display
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replacing like the paper price tags. So these can be
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used instantly to raise prices based on demand, time of day, weather,
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or even who is shopping. So here's the conspiracy. So
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what fuels the theory? People worry that stores could increase
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pricing during busy hours, raise prices before storms or emergencies. Uh,
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use customer data from loyalty programs to change different shoppers
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two different prices, and change prices so frequently that the
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customers cannot keep track. The ones that I saw were
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oh man, that they were. These ones had little like
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cameras on them, and they would just change for the
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demographic of people that were coming into the aisles. I
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don't know how true this is, but it's it's pretty
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it's pretty wild to think that they could just change
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these prices by what you look like. The one that
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in Walmart in particular was you know, Walmart has can
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everywhere and tracks the aisle ways, So they're saying that
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any AI version can track do this is wild what
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you're wearing, how your hair is cut, what your shoes are,
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to associate prices on demand for particular people. So that's
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kind of scary. And you know, my buddy chat gpt
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here says most retailer major retailers use digital shelf labels,
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primary use, update prices faster, reduced cast labor costs, correct
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pricing errors quickly, and display promotions. They said there's no
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widespread evidence that the US grocery change are changing to
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different shelf prices in different customers. Dynamic pricing has exist
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did for years in the industry, like airlines, hotels, ride sharing,
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and online retail Why are some people skeptical?
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Parents and.
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Patents and discussions about dynamic pricing technology, The ability of
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es l's to change prices instantly past examples of surge
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pricing and other industries and concerns about transparency. I mean,
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if you're running low on somethings, what's not for them
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not to say that they can just take the price
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of something and make it like eggs, you know, ten
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dollars a dozen right then?
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And what are you going to do?
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You know, they control it so much as it is
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with everything else. I mean most of us are, you know,
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hanging on paycheck to paycheck, and now they just want
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to gouge you for more and more and more. The
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videos I saw too, they were like that you would
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the one that I saw, the thing actually like shut
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off from five dollars and something, and then when it
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came back on, it was like ten dollars, which, like,
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I hate to fuel a conspiracy, but I know in
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the world that I live in, that that's pretty uh,
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it's pretty stupid. And I wouldn't put it past any
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of them to be able to do something like that.
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Companies will price gouge you for anything, all of them,
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all of them. Will you guys know how much stuff costs?
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Everybody does, absolutely everybody does and knows, and and I
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wouldn't put it past them.
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Do some research. Guys, get back to me.
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I want to do some things too, since before we
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go into this first little break, let me see what
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this one. Okay, before we go into the little break,
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Exposure now that we're back.
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I got a full story coming up. So I'm trying
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to break these into little pieces while I'm still doing
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research on some of the bigger topics that we're doing,
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which the quantum quantum suicide, quantum quantum immortality thing is
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such a rabbit hole. But I'll be back with tonight's
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main story book. I find that hilarious. I forgot which
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one that was, and that's the one we got today.
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For the break, let's get into this disappearance of Stephen Stayiner.
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Tonight's story begins with a seven year old boy walking
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home from school in California, there's all these weird stuff.
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Remember the bus that's like got buried in California.
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Remember that story.
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I forget what it was called Coucamonga. Maybe that's where
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it was. It should have just been another ordinary afternoon.
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Instead it would be coming the beginning of one of
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the most heartbreaking and extraordinary stories that you may not
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know of. For seven years, the boy would disappear from
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the world, and when he finally came back, he would
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not only be a survivor, but as a hero. This
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is a story of Stephen Stainer. Stephen Stanner was born
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in April eighteenth, nineteen sixty five, and mercered, California. He
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was the third of five children born to Delbert and
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Kay Stainer.
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On December fourth of nineteen.
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Seventy two, which would make this kid about seven, Stephen
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was walking home from school when he encountered a man
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named Irvin Edward Murphy. Murphy had been recruited by convicted
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child molester Kenneth Parnell, who claimed that he wanted to
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raise a boy in a religious environment. Murphy approached Stephen
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with a story about collecting donations for a church. Stephen
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willing to help seven year olds in nineteen seventy two
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are not privy to the craziness of the world that
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actually goes on around him. Moments later, he claimed he
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climbed into a black or a white buick. It would
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be the last time his family saw him for seven years.
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Parnell drove Stephen too a cabin in Kathy's valley. Within days,
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Parnell begin to psychologically manipulate the young boy. He convinced
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Stephen that his parents no longer wanted him. He even
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claimed that he had been granted custody because Stephen's family
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couldn't afford another child, which it's a wild that's a
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wild ass statement. I don't know you, you don't know me,
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but this is him now sole custody of you. And yeah,
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Parnell changed Steven's identity. He became Dennis Gregory Parnell. Over
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the next several years, the pag moved throughout California. Stephen
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attended schools, made friends, lived what outwardly appeared to be
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a normal life, but behind closed doors he occurred. Obviously,
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he occurred or endured horrific abuse. So let's put this
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first two paragraphs into perspective. A young boy walking home
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from school, church wherever he was coming from school.
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Some guy that was hired by Parnell is at Irvin Murphy.
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It just says, hey, do you want to help. We're
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collecting donations for church. I'm taking that this is small
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town California.
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And he's like, yeah, i'll help.
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He gets into a white buick and just gone. Could
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you imagine, like, I have teenage kids. I mean they're teenagers,
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they know better, and we live in a way different
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climate than a world does now or did then, So
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you could imagine just being like losing my child just
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for just somebody picked him up and then stuff happens.
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It still happens. I'm not saying that it doesn't.
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It's just pretty wild that he's like, yeah, let's uh,
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let's just jump into this vehicle. So, you know, Parnell
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just be you know, psychologically manipulates this child into thinking that,
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you know, he's a sole care provider for him now,
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and he's like his new parents.
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Man.
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He changes his name, he becomes Dennis Parnell. Over the
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next several years, right, they move around, they stay moving.
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I mean that makes sense. He was still little, you know,
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to you know.
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In in the span of the years that he's gone
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for seventy years.
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He's you know, fifteen years.
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Old by by the end of this, and you know,
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he makes friends and lived, you know, in a seemingly
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normal life, but behind closed doors, he you know, it
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was it was obviously, you know abuse. One of the
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questions here that says, you know, people ask why didn't
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he just why didn't Stephen run away? Several years years later,
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Steven explained that after years of manipulation, fear, and isolation,
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he didn't know who to trust. Parnell often left him alone. Technically,
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Steven had opportunities to escape or run or do whatever
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he you know, go to the authorities even but psychologically
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he'd been become trapped into this you know, repeated cycle,
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what is it man, what's the.
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Man?
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It's the it's the thing, Stockholm syndrome, Stockholm syndrome. But
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I don't know if that falls into this, but you know,
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experts now recognize this as a common response among long
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term kidnapping victims. You know, psychologically, this kid's a child,
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he's a child.
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How does he know what is up? It like up,
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what is up? And what is down?
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At this point in his life and who to go to.
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And you know, I'm sure he remembers his parents. He's
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old enough to remember his parents, but how like, how
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does how would he know anything about anything?
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Nineteen eighty h Stephen was fourteen, Parnell had begin looking
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for a younger child.
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Several previous attempts failed because Stephen's secretly sabotaged him, which
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you know, kudos to him, it is good on him.
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Then on February fourteenth, nineteen eighty, Parnell kidnapped another victim,
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five year old Timothy White. When Steven saw the terrified
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little boy, something changed. He later said that he couldn't
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let another child suffer what he had endured through Man
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seventy two to eighty. I mean, yeah, it's fourteen years
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old now, you know, seven seven years which is crazy.
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So you know, why didn't he go? You know, I
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can kind to understand why he didn't go or or
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what or you know what the reasoning behind him staying was.
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Uh, but.
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I think I think of kids these days that are
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able to you know, understand and the technology that we
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have and everything.
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But it's this.
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You would think that the story would end in a murder, right,
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just the way that it's set up, in the way
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that you know, kidnapping not just a ah a point
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of kidnapping a kid to raise him. You know, that's
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that's a different that's a different.
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Type of.
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Different type of person, I guess for somebody to do
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something like that, it's just it's it's wild to me
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to think that, you know, this kid just didn't run
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when he had a chance to. He did this on
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a Oh so there is some you know, I was
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looking at another page here too. There there's definitely some
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sexual assault involved too.
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On occasion, Parnell pretended to take a phone call from
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Stephen's mother to complete the charade. He also told him
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that a judge had awarded him custody. There we go,
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and there's some more of the story that. Yeah, Parnell
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at this point is like uh forty something years old,
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grew up in a great depression, he's abandoned by his father. Yeah,
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Parnell was actually sexually assaulted by some of his mother's
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adult borders where they ran the lodge. He was convicted
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as a as a as a child of child abduction.
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Parnell escaped from a state institute in Norwalk, California. The
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law cut up in his sentenced for four years in
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San Quentin after getting out in nineteen fifty five. Obviously
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registered as sex sex offender, he violated his terms of parole,
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which ishilarious, Why people people was just crazy? Rested for
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armed robbery, grand larceny five more years six years in Utah.
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By the time he was targeted, Stephen Parnell was registered
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sex offender working at a night auditor at Yosemite Lodge.
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What else we got here? So he?
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Parnell had managed to convince Irwin Murphy that he was
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an aspiring minister who needed to find young boy to
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raise in a religious manner. What else we got here? Well,
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here we go. Parnell was also controlled him by altering
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between threatening him and sexually abusing. By then, Parnell had
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also entered Stephen's alcohol in marijuana. As a young traumatized
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child who had been brainwashed into believing his parents left him,
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Stephen learned and leaned into the substance and coping mechanisms. Parnell,
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who invited a woman named Barbara Mathis to stay with them,
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and she freely abused the boy as she pleased. She
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also uh She was also there when Parnell maintained a
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pseudo family facade. As Stephen began to grow older, Parnell's
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sexual interest in him waned, and he abducted another boy
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to obviously do the same thing. And that's when this Mathis. This,
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this Barbara Mathis had left.
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So he worked as.
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Worked menial jobs, enrolled Stephen in local schools using his
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alias as Dennis. Despite the human abuse, Stephen managed to
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flourish academically. He even forced Steven to act as an
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accomplice through teenage and intentional sabotage. Yeah, he had sabotaged
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every attempt he bribed releasing. Realizing that Stephen would not
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help him, Parnell recruited a local teen acquaintance named Randall
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Sean Porman. We bribed Porman with alcohol, marijuana, and fifty
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bucks to protect Jesus. I guess fifty bucks. In nineteen eighty, Yeah,
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that's when they got Timothy White, and that's where we are.
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He dragged him screaming into a getaway vehicle. Parnell immediately
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started grooming White as he had done with Stephen. He
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cut the boy's blonde hair dyed a dark brown in
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appearance any missing persons posters. Unlike Stephen, it was broken
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down isolated. Parnell worked on Timothy White while Stephen watched.
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Timothy was uncooperative, though and refusing to accept the lies.
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He cried for his mother and father every day. He
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knew Timothy had a family searching for him and made
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him consider that his own family might still be looking
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for him. So March first, nineteen eighty, Stephen led Timothy
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out of the cabin while Parnell was working a night
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shift as a hotel clerk. The boys hitchhiked forty miles
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down the highway in the dark until they reached U
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kaiyah u Kaya. Stephen walked Timothy into the police department.
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Then Timothy saw the police station window. He got scared
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and ran back towards Stephen, but the officer had already
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spotted him. Despite Parnell cutting Timothy's hair and dying at brown,
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the officer recognized a five year old and from the
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local missing person's flyer, good for him, good for that,
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Good for that officer. They turned their attention to Stephen,
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wondering if the teen was responsible for the kidnapping. They
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pressed him for his name and where he lived. He
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managed to get out the words, my name is Dennis
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Gregory Parnell, but I know my first name is Stephen.
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I'm pretty sure my last name is Stainer, and if
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I have a middle name, I don't know it. Officers
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ran his name through the system and connected Mercer Police
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Force detectives quickly pulled up the nineteen seventy two kidnapping file.
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Around two thirty am on March second, nineteen eighty, police
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knocked on the door of Delbert and Kay Strayer, telling
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him that they may have found missing their missing child.
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Good God, the trauma that these poor people went through.
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Kay initially thought it was a joke until the police
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confirmed that the teen had specific birthmarks. Stephen was driven
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back to Mercer under police escort. He walked up to
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his family driveway. A flurry of media and cameras captured
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the emotional reunion while.
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The police station.
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Steven also provided investigators with information about Parnell's whereabouts, including
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the remote cabin where he had been kidnapping boys on
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March second, nineteen eighty.
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They moved pretty quick.
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Police walked into the hotel lobby arrested Parnell as he
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was working the shift at the hotel. He was the
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only It was the only when police ran his prints
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that they uncovered his previous you know, robbery and sexual assault.
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Steven had yet to divulge what really happened to him.
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Police had noted that Stephen had developed a soft spot
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on his captor because of the manner of which defense
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about their time together. Police arrest Irvin Murphy and Sean
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Porman in their involvement. The homecoming didn't mean a complete recovery,
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although a later film would portray the convicts that conflicts
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there were between him and his family. Stephen admitted that
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the problems were with his siblings. He'd lived alone for
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so long it was difficult to reinitiate and follow family roles.
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It makes sense if you're getting drugs and alcohol as
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a young teenager. Steven also confirmed his relationship with his
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brother also strained. During a two thousand and seven interviews,
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Stainer's sister, Corey said her brother did not see counseling
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because his father claimed he did not need it. Oh
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that's craziness. That's craziness.
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She said.
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He got he got on with his life, but he
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was pretty messed up. He was regularly teased by other
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children for being these kids are malicious him being teased
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for being molested, and eventually dropped out of school. Stainer
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began drink more often, eventually kicked out his family house.
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Parnell was convicted of kidnapping of Steven Strainer and Timothy
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White in nineteen eighty one. This earned him a sentence
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of seven years in prison for White and twenty months
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in prison for kidnappings. That is a wild seven years
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and twenty months for kidnapping two children. That's incredible to me,
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considering the statute of limitations for sexual assault inspired he
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was not charged an abuse since that's fucking bullshit. This
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was even after he testified to these well, sorry, where
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was I? This is even after testifying to those these
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actions in courts. He served five years and one month
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before being released on parole. After being let go, Parnell
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bounced around California and required to register as a high
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risk sex offender. Murphy claimed that he had stayed with
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Parnell and Stephen for only two months before returning to
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his job in Yosemite. The judge rejected Murphy's claims of innocence,
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stating the part that you had in this crime was
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very significant. We can take no comfort in the fact
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that you directly involved with for only two months. Involvement
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for a day or two was plenty enough. Good on
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that judge. He was sentenced for five years in prison,
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but papoled after two Poorman immediately confessed and was collaborated
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with Parnell to abduct Timothy. After being tried as a minor,
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he was sent to a rehabilitation.
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Center.
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In nineteen eighty five, Stephen married seventeen year old Jody
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Edmondson and they had two children. Seeking to make amends
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for what happened to him, he worked with that child
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abduction group and spoke to children about personal safety.
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Good on him.
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He also vocal against leniency on Parnell's sentence, obviously considering
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the penalty was less than the duration he was in captivity. However,
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the internal damage was perverse and unaddressed. Pervasive and yeah,
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he struggled with alcohol dependency and cycled through jobs. His
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license was suspended three times. Steven come on Man and
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then the mid nineteen eighties, True Crime began to attract
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significant viewership. Laura Moore Laura moer Lot and More Television
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and Andrew Alderson Company approached Strainers on secure film rights.
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Steven has paid thirty thousand dollars to become a consultant
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to ensure the details of the captivity. NBC ministries I
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Know My First His Name is Steven aired in nineteen
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eighty nine and drew an audience of forty million. That's
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pretty good. The title came directly from the statement, obviously.
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At five thirty pm on September sixteenth, Stephen was riding
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his motorcycle home from his job at the Pizza Hut,
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heading out towards Atwater. He was near Richards Meats and
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when the car pulled out in front of him, out
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from the side of the road installed Steven slammed into
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the driver's side flew forty five feet over the vehicle.
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The driver of the car fled the scene. Stephen was
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not wearing a helmet and was riding with an invalid license.
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He sustained major head injuries and pronounced dead at Mercered
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Family Community Hospital. At the time, he was only twenty
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four years old. Despite everything that was going on, there
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was an overlook plot hole with the Stevens brother, Carrie Stevens.
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When Steven escaped his abductors and came home, he got
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significant attention, overshadowing his brother Carrie. Carrie harbored of behavioral
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problems in dark fantasies from a very early age. These
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were kept secret despite their urges towards violence and sexual deviance.
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After Steven came back, Corey withdrew more and more and
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dropped out of school and became a mechanic. In nineteen
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ninety seven, he took a job as a handyman and
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a maintenance mechanic and Cedar Lodge motel. This gave him
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direct access which he used to target and kill three
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tourist women in February of nineteen ninety nine. Five months later,
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Carrie crossed paths with twenty six year old joe I
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Think It's Josie Armstrong. She was a naturalist who worked
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for Yosemite Institute. Carrie abused her outside of the cabin
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or Infloresta area and decapitated her. These murders attracted federal attention,
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and the witness reported seeing Carrie's vehicle near Joey's It's
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Joey's cabin. Realizing the net was closing, he fled by
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the FBI agents caught up with him in Laguna del
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Sol nudist colony in Sacramento. He was tried for in
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federal and state courts for murder of Joey Armstrong and
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three tourists. First conviction earned him life. The state court
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also found him guilty of first degree murder of three counts,
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and Stayner was sentenced to death in August twenty seventh
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of two thousand and two. He remains incarcerated and isolated
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death row in San Quentin to date. In late twenty
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two thousand and two, aging Parnell tried to orchestrate another
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kidnapping by approaching the sisters of his home caretaker, offering
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her five hundred dollars to bring him a four year
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old boy. The woman went to Berkeley police, who orchestrated
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a sting off operation and she would wear a wire
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record Parnell as he made the down payment for a child.
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Police swooped in and arrested. Parnell's subsequently convicted of multiple felonies,
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including a child stealing, and was arrested and sentenced to
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twenty five to life for three strikes. He died at
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the age of seventy six in two thousand and eight
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of natural Causes under hospice Care.
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That is.
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A crazy story, to say the least. A lot of
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things bouncing around there, A lot of a lot of
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craziness happens in this story. Boys abducted, gets abused, you know,
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they abduct another boy, they escape, Parnell only gets just
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seven years, you know, does like five gets out Stephen
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Steven's all messed up from the kidnapping. His brother goes
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on to be a you know, he kills like four people.
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Parnell doesn't you know, or Steven ends up dying in
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a motorcycle crash. Parnell gets arrested again. Obviously, it's it's wild.
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When I came across the story, I'm like, I've never
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heard this story. I think I'm gonna talk to I'm
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gonna talk to the podcast about this, so you guys
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know what's going on with that story, because it's crazy.
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I've never heard this story either, and there's so many
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of these out here. The part that really caught me
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was the my name is Stephen Parnell, but in real
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or not Stephen Parnell. Sorry, Oh my name is Stephen Strayer.
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You know not Dennis Parnell. He tells that to the cops.
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You know, I know, I know, my, I know my.
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My name's Stephen, which is crazy. Also, also in twenty ten,
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Timothy dies of unexpectedly at the age of thirty five
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and set in twenty ten. The same year, a statue
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honoring the both boys were was unveiled in Mercer County, California.
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It depicts fourteen year old Stephen leading five year old
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Timothy to safety. So crazy story.
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Look it up.
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See what you guys think? You know it is? Is
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Stephen a hero? You know, saving that boy to have
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a you know, crazy story? He after all those years
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of abuse and captivity and unimaginable things happened to him,
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you know, Stephen chose to save that other child. His
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life was short, his life was tragic, but his courage
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endured that one frightened little boy to make it home
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alone or up making home. Maybe maybe he's a hero.
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He's a hero to Timothy White, I know that wild story. Crazy,
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A lot of stuff going on there.
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Check it out, figure it out. Look what you think.
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That's all I got, guys. Good thirty some minutes of
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gonna do. When I get time to record, I'll time
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get time on the record. Let me know if you
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liked this episode. It's a little different than some of
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the other stuff that we've done. And I will talk
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to you guys next week later m
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What's up, guys, It's another Tuesday. I'm back. There's a
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lot of strangeness, and tonight I've got some stories for everybody.
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A little conspiracy, little strange true crime, a little bit
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of strangeness all around. Like the world's not strange enough,
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I'll bring some more strangeness to you.
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So we've been trying to get these out every Tuesday
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for you guys. I'll try.
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I mean, summers are pretty open for me right now
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for the most part. Uh So Tuesdays should be good.
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A lot going on, but Tuesdays seemed to work. I
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think I can. I can handle that. But yeah, so
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I've been I've been uh in the in the house
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a little bit.
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Today.
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I had there was an urgent care yesterday. Being dumb,
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uh hit myself with a set of hedge clippers and
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my knee and uh luckily no stitches, so that's one
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good thing. There was no stitches involved. But uh, yeah,
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I got it. I got a little banged up, a
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little uh mere flesh wound, I guess as you would say.
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But so there's some stuff today.
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We're gonna do some conspiracy on this, uh these digital
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price tags. If you haven't seen anything on that and
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also the kidnapping of in disappearance of Stephen Stephen Stainer. Uh,
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so let's get into it right into it tonight, today,
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this afternoon, whatever time you were listening or whatever time
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I'm recording. It's all a mystery. So came across this
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a couple of times in the last week or so,
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did you guys?
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Have you guys?
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I don't go to Walmart, so I don't know if
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I can really prove this out, but I've seen a
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lot of people on there with the making videos on
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these electric shelf labels. They're eesls, so small digital display
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replacing like the paper price tags. So these can be
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used instantly to raise prices based on demand, time of day, weather,
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or even who is shopping. So here's the conspiracy. So
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what fuels the theory? People worry that stores could increase
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pricing during busy hours, raise prices before storms or emergencies. Uh,
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use customer data from loyalty programs to change different shoppers
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two different prices, and change prices so frequently that the
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customers cannot keep track. The ones that I saw were
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oh man, that they were. These ones had little like
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cameras on them, and they would just change for the
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demographic of people that were coming into the aisles. I
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don't know how true this is, but it's it's pretty
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it's pretty wild to think that they could just change
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these prices by what you look like. The one that
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in Walmart in particular was you know, Walmart has can
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everywhere and tracks the aisle ways, So they're saying that
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any AI version can track do this is wild what
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you're wearing, how your hair is cut, what your shoes are,
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to associate prices on demand for particular people. So that's
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kind of scary. And you know, my buddy chat gpt
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here says most retailer major retailers use digital shelf labels,
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primary use, update prices faster, reduced cast labor costs, correct
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pricing errors quickly, and display promotions. They said there's no
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widespread evidence that the US grocery change are changing to
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different shelf prices in different customers. Dynamic pricing has exist
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did for years in the industry, like airlines, hotels, ride sharing,
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and online retail Why are some people skeptical?
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Parents and.
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Patents and discussions about dynamic pricing technology, The ability of
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es l's to change prices instantly past examples of surge
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pricing and other industries and concerns about transparency. I mean,
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if you're running low on somethings, what's not for them
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not to say that they can just take the price
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of something and make it like eggs, you know, ten
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dollars a dozen right then?
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And what are you going to do?
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with everything else. I mean most of us are, you know,
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hanging on paycheck to paycheck, and now they just want
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to gouge you for more and more and more. The
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videos I saw too, they were like that you would
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the one that I saw, the thing actually like shut
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off from five dollars and something, and then when it
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came back on, it was like ten dollars, which, like,
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the world that I live in, that that's pretty uh,
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it's pretty stupid. And I wouldn't put it past any
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of them to be able to do something like that.
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Companies will price gouge you for anything, all of them,
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all of them. Will you guys know how much stuff costs?
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Do some research. Guys, get back to me.
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I got a full story coming up. So I'm trying
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research on some of the bigger topics that we're doing,
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which the quantum quantum suicide, quantum quantum immortality thing is
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such a rabbit hole. But I'll be back with tonight's
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main story book. I find that hilarious. I forgot which
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one that was, and that's the one we got today.
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For the break, let's get into this disappearance of Stephen Stayiner.
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Tonight's story begins with a seven year old boy walking
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home from school in California, there's all these weird stuff.
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Remember the bus that's like got buried in California.
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I forget what it was called Coucamonga. Maybe that's where
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it was. It should have just been another ordinary afternoon.
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Instead it would be coming the beginning of one of
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the most heartbreaking and extraordinary stories that you may not
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know of. For seven years, the boy would disappear from
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the world, and when he finally came back, he would
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not only be a survivor, but as a hero. This
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is a story of Stephen Stainer. Stephen Stanner was born
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in April eighteenth, nineteen sixty five, and mercered, California. He
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was the third of five children born to Delbert and
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Kay Stainer.
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On December fourth of nineteen.
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was walking home from school when he encountered a man
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named Irvin Edward Murphy. Murphy had been recruited by convicted
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child molester Kenneth Parnell, who claimed that he wanted to
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raise a boy in a religious environment. Murphy approached Stephen
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with a story about collecting donations for a church. Stephen
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willing to help seven year olds in nineteen seventy two
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are not privy to the craziness of the world that
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actually goes on around him. Moments later, he claimed he
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climbed into a black or a white buick. It would
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be the last time his family saw him for seven years.
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Parnell drove Stephen too a cabin in Kathy's valley. Within days,
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Parnell begin to psychologically manipulate the young boy. He convinced
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Stephen that his parents no longer wanted him. He even
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claimed that he had been granted custody because Stephen's family
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couldn't afford another child, which it's a wild that's a
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wild ass statement. I don't know you, you don't know me,
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but this is him now sole custody of you. And yeah,
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Parnell changed Steven's identity. He became Dennis Gregory Parnell. Over
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the next several years, the pag moved throughout California. Stephen
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attended schools, made friends, lived what outwardly appeared to be
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a normal life, but behind closed doors he occurred. Obviously,
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he occurred or endured horrific abuse. So let's put this
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first two paragraphs into perspective. A young boy walking home
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from school, church wherever he was coming from school.
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collecting donations for church. I'm taking that this is small
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town California.
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He gets into a white buick and just gone. Could
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you imagine, like, I have teenage kids. I mean they're teenagers,
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they know better, and we live in a way different
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climate than a world does now or did then, So
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you could imagine just being like losing my child just
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for just somebody picked him up and then stuff happens.
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let's just jump into this vehicle. So, you know, Parnell
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just be you know, psychologically manipulates this child into thinking that,
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you know, he's a sole care provider for him now,
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and he's like his new parents.
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next several years, right, they move around, they stay moving.
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for seventy years.
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he makes friends and lived, you know, in a seemingly
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normal life, but behind closed doors, he you know, it
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was it was obviously, you know abuse. One of the
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questions here that says, you know, people ask why didn't
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he just why didn't Stephen run away? Several years years later,
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he didn't know who to trust. Parnell often left him alone. Technically,
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he you know, go to the authorities even but psychologically
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he'd been become trapped into this you know, repeated cycle,
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what is it man, what's the.
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experts now recognize this as a common response among long
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term kidnapping victims. You know, psychologically, this kid's a child,
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he's a child.
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How does he know what is up? It like up,
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what is up? And what is down?
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old enough to remember his parents, but how like, how
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does how would he know anything about anything?
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you know, kudos to him, it is good on him.
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Then on February fourteenth, nineteen eighty, Parnell kidnapped another victim,
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five year old Timothy White. When Steven saw the terrified
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little boy, something changed. He later said that he couldn't
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let another child suffer what he had endured through Man
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seventy two to eighty. I mean, yeah, it's fourteen years
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old now, you know, seven seven years which is crazy.
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can kind to understand why he didn't go or or
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what or you know what the reasoning behind him staying was.
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able to you know, understand and the technology that we
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have and everything.
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just the way that it's set up, in the way
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that you know, kidnapping not just a ah a point
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of kidnapping a kid to raise him. You know, that's
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that's a different that's a different.
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something like that, it's just it's it's wild to me
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to think that, you know, this kid just didn't run
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when he had a chance to. He did this on
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a Oh so there is some you know, I was
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looking at another page here too. There there's definitely some
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sexual assault involved too.
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Stephen's mother to complete the charade. He also told him
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that a judge had awarded him custody. There we go,
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and there's some more of the story that. Yeah, Parnell
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at this point is like uh forty something years old,
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grew up in a great depression, he's abandoned by his father. Yeah,
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Parnell was actually sexually assaulted by some of his mother's
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adult borders where they ran the lodge. He was convicted
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as a as a as a child of child abduction.
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Parnell escaped from a state institute in Norwalk, California. The
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law cut up in his sentenced for four years in
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San Quentin after getting out in nineteen fifty five. Obviously
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registered as sex sex offender, he violated his terms of parole,
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which ishilarious, Why people people was just crazy? Rested for
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armed robbery, grand larceny five more years six years in Utah.
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By the time he was targeted, Stephen Parnell was registered
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sex offender working at a night auditor at Yosemite Lodge.
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What else we got here? So he?
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Parnell had managed to convince Irwin Murphy that he was
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an aspiring minister who needed to find young boy to
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raise in a religious manner. What else we got here? Well,
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here we go. Parnell was also controlled him by altering
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between threatening him and sexually abusing. By then, Parnell had
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also entered Stephen's alcohol in marijuana. As a young traumatized
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child who had been brainwashed into believing his parents left him,
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Stephen learned and leaned into the substance and coping mechanisms. Parnell,
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who invited a woman named Barbara Mathis to stay with them,
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and she freely abused the boy as she pleased. She
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also uh She was also there when Parnell maintained a
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pseudo family facade. As Stephen began to grow older, Parnell's
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sexual interest in him waned, and he abducted another boy
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to obviously do the same thing. And that's when this Mathis. This,
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this Barbara Mathis had left.
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So he worked as.
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Worked menial jobs, enrolled Stephen in local schools using his
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alias as Dennis. Despite the human abuse, Stephen managed to
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flourish academically. He even forced Steven to act as an
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accomplice through teenage and intentional sabotage. Yeah, he had sabotaged
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every attempt he bribed releasing. Realizing that Stephen would not
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help him, Parnell recruited a local teen acquaintance named Randall
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Sean Porman. We bribed Porman with alcohol, marijuana, and fifty
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bucks to protect Jesus. I guess fifty bucks. In nineteen eighty, Yeah,
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that's when they got Timothy White, and that's where we are.
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He dragged him screaming into a getaway vehicle. Parnell immediately
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started grooming White as he had done with Stephen. He
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cut the boy's blonde hair dyed a dark brown in
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appearance any missing persons posters. Unlike Stephen, it was broken
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down isolated. Parnell worked on Timothy White while Stephen watched.
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Timothy was uncooperative, though and refusing to accept the lies.
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He cried for his mother and father every day. He
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knew Timothy had a family searching for him and made
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him consider that his own family might still be looking
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for him. So March first, nineteen eighty, Stephen led Timothy
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out of the cabin while Parnell was working a night
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shift as a hotel clerk. The boys hitchhiked forty miles
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down the highway in the dark until they reached U
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kaiyah u Kaya. Stephen walked Timothy into the police department.
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Then Timothy saw the police station window. He got scared
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and ran back towards Stephen, but the officer had already
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spotted him. Despite Parnell cutting Timothy's hair and dying at brown,
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the officer recognized a five year old and from the
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local missing person's flyer, good for him, good for that,
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Good for that officer. They turned their attention to Stephen,
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wondering if the teen was responsible for the kidnapping. They
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pressed him for his name and where he lived. He
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managed to get out the words, my name is Dennis
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Gregory Parnell, but I know my first name is Stephen.
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I'm pretty sure my last name is Stainer, and if
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I have a middle name, I don't know it. Officers
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ran his name through the system and connected Mercer Police
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Force detectives quickly pulled up the nineteen seventy two kidnapping file.
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Around two thirty am on March second, nineteen eighty, police
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knocked on the door of Delbert and Kay Strayer, telling
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him that they may have found missing their missing child.
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Good God, the trauma that these poor people went through.
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Kay initially thought it was a joke until the police
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confirmed that the teen had specific birthmarks. Stephen was driven
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back to Mercer under police escort. He walked up to
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his family driveway. A flurry of media and cameras captured
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the emotional reunion while.
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The police station.
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Steven also provided investigators with information about Parnell's whereabouts, including
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the remote cabin where he had been kidnapping boys on
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March second, nineteen eighty.
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They moved pretty quick.
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Police walked into the hotel lobby arrested Parnell as he
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was working the shift at the hotel. He was the
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only It was the only when police ran his prints
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that they uncovered his previous you know, robbery and sexual assault.
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Steven had yet to divulge what really happened to him.
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Police had noted that Stephen had developed a soft spot
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on his captor because of the manner of which defense
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about their time together. Police arrest Irvin Murphy and Sean
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Porman in their involvement. The homecoming didn't mean a complete recovery,
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although a later film would portray the convicts that conflicts
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there were between him and his family. Stephen admitted that
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the problems were with his siblings. He'd lived alone for
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so long it was difficult to reinitiate and follow family roles.
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It makes sense if you're getting drugs and alcohol as
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a young teenager. Steven also confirmed his relationship with his
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brother also strained. During a two thousand and seven interviews,
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Stainer's sister, Corey said her brother did not see counseling
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because his father claimed he did not need it. Oh
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that's craziness. That's craziness.
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She said.
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He got he got on with his life, but he
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was pretty messed up. He was regularly teased by other
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children for being these kids are malicious him being teased
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for being molested, and eventually dropped out of school. Stainer
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began drink more often, eventually kicked out his family house.
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Parnell was convicted of kidnapping of Steven Strainer and Timothy
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White in nineteen eighty one. This earned him a sentence
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of seven years in prison for White and twenty months
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in prison for kidnappings. That is a wild seven years
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and twenty months for kidnapping two children. That's incredible to me,
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considering the statute of limitations for sexual assault inspired he
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was not charged an abuse since that's fucking bullshit. This
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was even after he testified to these well, sorry, where
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was I? This is even after testifying to those these
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actions in courts. He served five years and one month
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before being released on parole. After being let go, Parnell
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bounced around California and required to register as a high
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risk sex offender. Murphy claimed that he had stayed with
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Parnell and Stephen for only two months before returning to
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his job in Yosemite. The judge rejected Murphy's claims of innocence,
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stating the part that you had in this crime was
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very significant. We can take no comfort in the fact
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that you directly involved with for only two months. Involvement
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for a day or two was plenty enough. Good on
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that judge. He was sentenced for five years in prison,
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but papoled after two Poorman immediately confessed and was collaborated
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with Parnell to abduct Timothy. After being tried as a minor,
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he was sent to a rehabilitation.
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Center.
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In nineteen eighty five, Stephen married seventeen year old Jody
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Edmondson and they had two children. Seeking to make amends
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for what happened to him, he worked with that child
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abduction group and spoke to children about personal safety.
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Good on him.
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He also vocal against leniency on Parnell's sentence, obviously considering
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the penalty was less than the duration he was in captivity. However,
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the internal damage was perverse and unaddressed. Pervasive and yeah,
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he struggled with alcohol dependency and cycled through jobs. His
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license was suspended three times. Steven come on Man and
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then the mid nineteen eighties, True Crime began to attract
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significant viewership. Laura Moore Laura moer Lot and More Television
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and Andrew Alderson Company approached Strainers on secure film rights.
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Steven has paid thirty thousand dollars to become a consultant
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to ensure the details of the captivity. NBC ministries I
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Know My First His Name is Steven aired in nineteen
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eighty nine and drew an audience of forty million. That's
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pretty good. The title came directly from the statement, obviously.
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At five thirty pm on September sixteenth, Stephen was riding
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his motorcycle home from his job at the Pizza Hut,
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heading out towards Atwater. He was near Richards Meats and
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when the car pulled out in front of him, out
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from the side of the road installed Steven slammed into
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the driver's side flew forty five feet over the vehicle.
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The driver of the car fled the scene. Stephen was
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not wearing a helmet and was riding with an invalid license.
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He sustained major head injuries and pronounced dead at Mercered
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Family Community Hospital. At the time, he was only twenty
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four years old. Despite everything that was going on, there
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was an overlook plot hole with the Stevens brother, Carrie Stevens.
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When Steven escaped his abductors and came home, he got
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significant attention, overshadowing his brother Carrie. Carrie harbored of behavioral
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problems in dark fantasies from a very early age. These
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were kept secret despite their urges towards violence and sexual deviance.
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After Steven came back, Corey withdrew more and more and
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dropped out of school and became a mechanic. In nineteen
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ninety seven, he took a job as a handyman and
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a maintenance mechanic and Cedar Lodge motel. This gave him
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direct access which he used to target and kill three
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tourist women in February of nineteen ninety nine. Five months later,
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Carrie crossed paths with twenty six year old joe I
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Think It's Josie Armstrong. She was a naturalist who worked
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for Yosemite Institute. Carrie abused her outside of the cabin
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or Infloresta area and decapitated her. These murders attracted federal attention,
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and the witness reported seeing Carrie's vehicle near Joey's It's
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Joey's cabin. Realizing the net was closing, he fled by
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the FBI agents caught up with him in Laguna del
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Sol nudist colony in Sacramento. He was tried for in
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federal and state courts for murder of Joey Armstrong and
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three tourists. First conviction earned him life. The state court
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also found him guilty of first degree murder of three counts,
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and Stayner was sentenced to death in August twenty seventh
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of two thousand and two. He remains incarcerated and isolated
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death row in San Quentin to date. In late twenty
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two thousand and two, aging Parnell tried to orchestrate another
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kidnapping by approaching the sisters of his home caretaker, offering
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her five hundred dollars to bring him a four year
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old boy. The woman went to Berkeley police, who orchestrated
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a sting off operation and she would wear a wire
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record Parnell as he made the down payment for a child.
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Police swooped in and arrested. Parnell's subsequently convicted of multiple felonies,
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including a child stealing, and was arrested and sentenced to
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twenty five to life for three strikes. He died at
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the age of seventy six in two thousand and eight
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of natural Causes under hospice Care.
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That is.
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A crazy story, to say the least. A lot of
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things bouncing around there, A lot of a lot of
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craziness happens in this story. Boys abducted, gets abused, you know,
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they abduct another boy, they escape, Parnell only gets just
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seven years, you know, does like five gets out Stephen
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Steven's all messed up from the kidnapping. His brother goes
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on to be a you know, he kills like four people.
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Parnell doesn't you know, or Steven ends up dying in
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a motorcycle crash. Parnell gets arrested again. Obviously, it's it's wild.
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When I came across the story, I'm like, I've never
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heard this story. I think I'm gonna talk to I'm
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gonna talk to the podcast about this, so you guys
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know what's going on with that story, because it's crazy.
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I've never heard this story either, and there's so many
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of these out here. The part that really caught me
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was the my name is Stephen Parnell, but in real
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or not Stephen Parnell. Sorry, Oh my name is Stephen Strayer.
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You know not Dennis Parnell. He tells that to the cops.
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You know, I know, I know, my, I know my.
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My name's Stephen, which is crazy. Also, also in twenty ten,
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Timothy dies of unexpectedly at the age of thirty five
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and set in twenty ten. The same year, a statue
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honoring the both boys were was unveiled in Mercer County, California.
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It depicts fourteen year old Stephen leading five year old
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Timothy to safety. So crazy story.
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Look it up.
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See what you guys think? You know it is? Is
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Stephen a hero? You know, saving that boy to have
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a you know, crazy story? He after all those years
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of abuse and captivity and unimaginable things happened to him,
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you know, Stephen chose to save that other child. His
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life was short, his life was tragic, but his courage
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endured that one frightened little boy to make it home
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alone or up making home. Maybe maybe he's a hero.
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He's a hero to Timothy White, I know that wild story. Crazy,
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A lot of stuff going on there.
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Check it out, figure it out. Look what you think.
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That's all I got, guys. Good thirty some minutes of
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that follow us on Facebook. I'll give you guys a
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shout out. Leave us voicemails.
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Uh eight.
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Yeah, leave us some voicemails Facebook. I've been posting on
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oh yeah, a bit, a post on TikTok, post on Instagram.
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Just give us a follow, and uh, I'll try to.
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Keep up on these tuesdays.
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If you I mean, if that guy, If that works
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for you guys, I don't know, but that's what I'm
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gonna do. When I get time to record, I'll time
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get time on the record. Let me know if you
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liked this episode. It's a little different than some of
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the other stuff that we've done. And I will talk
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to you guys next week later m
