Dracula 1931 (aka The OG Dracula Movie)

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Alicia: Hey, just a heads up.
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The episode you're about to listen to is
about the 1931 film Dracula directed by
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Todd Browning and written by Bram Stoker,
Hamilton Dean and John L Balderston.
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If you'd like to learn more
about the movie discussed this
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evening, please visit our website
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for show notes.
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And after the spooky music, we'll
talk about the movie in full.
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So before warned, there will be spoilers.
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Jeremy: Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified, the podcast
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where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.
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Tonight we're talking about the
og, the Daddy of all Monster
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movies, the 1931 Dracula.
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I am your host Jeremy Whitley.
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And with me tonight I have a
panel of cinephiles and cenobites.
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First, they're here to challenge the
sexy werewolf, sexy, vampire binary.
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My co-host Ben Khan.
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Ben, how are Tonight?
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Ben: So I only finished this
movie like 25 minutes ago.
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Did they really fucking
kill Dracula off screen?
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I'm still processing Dracula.
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Did not actually get a death scene.
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Jeremy: That, and then Van Helsing
follows it up by saying Dracula
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is definitely dead now forever.
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Um,
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Emily: No questions asked.
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Ben: Also leave now.
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I need to go do stuff down here.
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Don't worry about it.
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Jeremy: and the cinnamon roll of
Ceno Bites are co-host Emily Martin.
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How are you tonight, Emily?
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Emily: Swan Lake, though, like
Swan Lake is the Dracula theme.
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Everybody who knew.
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Jeremy: Much cheaper
than writing a new one.
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Emily: Yeah.
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You know, Darren Aronofski
bringing it around.
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Swan Lake is a vampire story.
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Ben: I mean, I guess everything
looks cheap compared to Francis Ford
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Coppola as mad ambition and greater.
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Jeremy: I feel like the
word gsh is applicable.
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Emily: Yeah.
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I think that the uh, I wouldn't call it,
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Ben: Turns out I'm a gaudy motherfucker.
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Emily: drip.
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So Dracula is gush compared to
this movie, but somehow, still
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within the same spectrum of.
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little bats on sticks like
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Jeremy: ram stoker's Dracula is gsh
compared to the palace at versa.
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Like that's, that's just
the level of gsh it is.
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Emily: It is a Rococo film
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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Ben: Got some great old school
style, like matte background
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paintings, though, like some gorgeous
mountains and castles they painted.
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Emily: it looks like it's Gustav Dore,
like, it looks like Gustav Dore painted,
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or, I mean, those were etchings, or
should I say wooden engravings or metal
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engravings, depending on the, the image.
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But,
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Jeremy: I feel like it
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would've been really expensive to
put up a wood engraving behind your
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Ben: You could say it's engraved into
any material, and I would believe you,
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Emily: The time in which this film
was made I have a lot of respect.
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because this is like so early
in the talkies, you know?
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Ben: Literally the studio's
first talkie they released.
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Emily: and this is the, era before Zoom.
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And I'm not talking about the zoom
that we're talking on right now.
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I'm talking about zoom of
a camera because closeups,
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Ben: Oh, I'm sorry.
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I'm incredibly wrong.
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It was just the first sound film.
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Of Dracula movie released by the studio.
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my incredible mistake.
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Emily: His, uh, no, Ferrai
was a silent film if
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Ben: Yes, I believe so, but also
I've proven myself incredibly
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wrong in everything already today.
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So don't fucking listen to
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me.
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Jeremy: Well, on that
note you're doing the
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Ben: I am doing the recap.
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Yay.
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Oh, this is,
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Emily: This'll be fun.
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Ben: this is the capstone of our Dracula.
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We've, we've watched a lot of Dracula
stories and it turns out, with the
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exception of Roula, there tends
to be overlapping story elements.
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So let's dive into this.
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Emily: overlap, Amy?
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Ben: You know, there's always a
Jonathan, an Amina, or Jonathan Mina.
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Emily: Yes.
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Ben: Good on the Hammer films for
making it a formula instead of just
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continuously adapting one novel, which
I feel like would be a good defense,
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but hey, they just kept churning
out them Christopher Lee films.
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Emily: Yeah, it's the expanded universe.
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Ben: So okay.
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But the og the Granddaddy,
Bela Lagosi Dracula in 1931.
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Uh, Not to be confused with Bela
Lagosi when he was Dracula on
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Broadway, which was earlier.
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We start out on Renfield being
just a weird little twink.
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He's traveling through Sylvania
to meet Dracula for business.
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And it's real weird that Dracula
exists in a world where people
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don't know that Dracula is Dracula.
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So Dracula's going around being,
oh, hey, what's up everyone?
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I'm Dracula.
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And everyone's like, cool.
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Nice to meet you.
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We have no cultural context for that name.
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Anyway, Dracula's Castle is real cool
and also a dope background painting.
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And there are armadillos, I don't
know why, but good for them.
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Armadillos, Renfield gets wind and dined
and then just sort of passes out cause he
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was roofied or Dracula did a bat Hypnosis.
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Anyway, smash cut to the next scene and
he is totally crazy and eating bugs.
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Now to quote Anchorman,
that escalated real fast.
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Uh, Renfield and Dracula travel by
boat to London where Dracula does that
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whole thing where he kills the crew.
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And Renfield just gives the
most bugged out bonkers eyes.
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And meanwhile, Dracula's now in
London doing, I, I, I, I don't know.
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I never, I never understand
why Dracula goes to London.
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It's never clear to me.
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I don't know why he gets tired
of eating Sylvanian people.
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He's just there to, I
guess, do Dracula stuff.
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Jeremy: He's
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too old for spicy food.
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Emily: estate.
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Ben: Yeah, he, he goes to the
opera, he creeps on his neighbors.
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This is also where we get Mina
and Jonathan Harker, if you've
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heard our last few recaps, they're
here to do this boring, straight
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white British people stuff.
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also Lucy's in this movie for a scene and
then Dracula kills her, but she doesn't
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have a harem and there's no wolves or
blood or blood explosions this time.
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So,
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Jeremy: She doesn't turn into a vampire.
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Nobody turns into a vampire in
this movie other than Dracula.
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Ben: Okay, well we can get into that.
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There is apparently a white lady going
around uh, violently attacking and
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killing children in a scene we do not see,
but we do get somebody reading it to a
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description of it to us in a newspaper.
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Emily: Well, it's, it's a white lady.
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Yes.
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Also she is in white.
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Ben: Definite Shades of
Night of the Living Dead.
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And then Ben was like, yeah, and then I
hijacked the tanker and it exploded and
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there was just a million zombies there.
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Trust me, bro.
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All the super high budget
stuff, I, I just did it.
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Don't worry about it.
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So, uh, big shades of that.
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Anyway, after that we finally get to
the real big swing in Dick of this
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movie and his crazy flat top haircut.
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Dr.
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Van Motherfucking hell sing
and he is on top of this.
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He knows what's going on.
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Renfield being Bonker pants.
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He is got it.
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Mina, get in bit by a vampire.
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He's on top of it.
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Him and Dracula.
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Oh, you best believe they God, a vibe.
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It's the, by far, the best scenes of the
movie, him and Dracula playing this whole
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game of cat and mouse with one another.
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Like prove that Dracula's a vampire.
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But they're also just like complimenting
each other and like Van Helsing is
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just doing like the Sassiest poses and
Dracula's doing this whole fucking bd s
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m Mind Control, but Van Helsing being
a brat like fucking I could, do like
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another hour of like Van Helsing and
Dracula just soon to writing each other.
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Emily: We have to specify in this
case, B D S M stands for being dead.
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Sounds magnificent.
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Because Dracula also is
like dying Sounds rad.
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at one point and they're like, okay,
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Ben: does not get the sad
boy backstory in this movie.
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He's just here being Dracula.
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Jeremy: He doesn't get any
backstory in this movie.
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Ben: There is no rhyme or
reason for why he's doing it.
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He is just like a natural
constant of the universe.
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Jeremy: Meanwhile, Edward Van
Sloan, who's playing Van Heising
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looks like a fucking psychopath.
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He looks like a mad scientist
from the first time he shows up.
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Emily: Yes,
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Jeremy: I feel like if you didn't know the
story of this, you'd be like, well, now
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we have a crazy guy fighting a murderer
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Ben: like I know it's 1931 and he
like, already looks like elderly.
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He looks like he'd be ready to like
reenlist backup to fight the Germans in
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World War ii like a decade later still.
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Like, that's how crazy fucking hardcore
Van Helsing looks in this movie.
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It's great.
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Anyway, yada, yada, yada.
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Mina is turning into a vampire.
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Jonathan is a big dummy who can't tell.
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He's also kind of being dumped.
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Uh, Van Helsing has gotta
plan to lock down the house.
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But it doesn't work.
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And he can't stop Dracula from
taking me away into the night.
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Uh, Renfield Escapes, which is just
kind of a running gag throughout the
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movie, Renfield just being like, hi,
I'm here in your asylum slash house.
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What's up?
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it's great.
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It's a, this movie's got slapstick.
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It's fun.
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Renfield then leads Van Hsing and
Jonathan to Dracula as hiding spot
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with Mina Dracula gets real pissed
and kills Renfield by making him
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fall down, literally all the stairs
of a comically large staircase.
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And you just watch it and you just
hope they're not gonna cut away
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and he's just gonna keep falling.
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And he does!
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Emily: Not OSHA compliant.
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Ben: And then it's time to end the
movie where they just find Drac coffin,
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stake him with no problems off screen.
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A thing, which again, I'm still
fucking processing or you know, it's
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pretty easy to write the fanfic where
he screams for another sexy reason.
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And in given the ending is just the
Van Helson going like, okay, Mina and
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Jonathan, you go up and do your straight,
white, Christian, British stuff.
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I'm gonna go down and keep chilling
here with Dracula's body for
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uh, anyway, get on outta here.
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The
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Emily: I'm gonna go down
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Jeremy: Hmm.
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Emily: stay down.
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Hey.
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Jeremy: yeah, they, they end on
them going up the staircase and it's
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Emily: Yes.
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Ben: It's a real weird choice.
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, Jeremy: it's interesting to me
because uh, I, I was telling you
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guys a little bit of this beforehand.
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There are two versions of this film
and they're both on my D V D, which
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I had a DVD of this movie for, for
those antiques collectors out there.
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And when you, when you load up
my dvd, v d, it has an option
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of Dracula or Dracula in Spanish
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Ben: I hope that's the name of it,
is that the official name is the
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official name, Dracula in Spanish.
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I hope it is.
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Jeremy: It is an entirely different film.
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The thing about it is they have
a whole different cast, a Spanish
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speaking cast, rather than dubbing
or subbing any of this stuff.
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And they were filming it
simultaneously with this movie.
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They had the English speaking cast
there during the day, and then when
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filming was over, the English speaking
cast would leave at about 8:00 PM
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The Spanish speaking cast would
come in and film through the night.
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Separate director, separate cast , it's
got the same script, but in some ways
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it's wildly different in ways that
like are difficult to understand.
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One of the things being that at
the end of the film as Mina and
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Jonathan are walking up the stairs,
van Haling says, you guys go ahead.
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I promise Renfield I'd bury him.
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So I gotta take care of that.
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Because Renfield is worried that
because of everything he's done, if he
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dies that he's just gonna go to hell.
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Ben: English Van Helsing is
like kicking him down into hell.
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Like you don't give a fuck.
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Jeremy: as they walk up the
stairs, he's like standing over Ren
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Field's body in the Spanish one.
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And so the Spanish one might be better?
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They included a little interview with
it where the, mina, whose name is Ava,
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in the Spanish version was like, yes.
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I was very surprised when I saw the
English language version because uh,
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they had her very covered up in, in their
version, and I had very sexy, like low
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cut dresses and everything, especially
once, you know, she gets bitten.
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Ben: We should have watched
the Spanish version.
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Emily: Yeah, I kind of wanna
do a whole episode on the
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Ben: Well, there's a whole scene where
it's like Mina is being half vampire
00:12:19.549 --> 00:12:22.499
and she's waring Jonathan out and.
00:12:24.484 --> 00:12:26.404
Jonathan is just being like, Mina.
00:12:26.409 --> 00:12:26.584
Oh my.
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Like, I've never seen you like this.
00:12:27.994 --> 00:12:32.014
What's become, like, what's come
over you and Mina's just looking
00:12:32.014 --> 00:12:34.054
like she has actual lust in her eyes.
00:12:34.454 --> 00:12:34.904
Emily: Yeah.
00:12:34.964 --> 00:12:36.134
Well, I mean, it's Britain.
00:12:36.534 --> 00:12:36.804
Ben: Yeah.
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Like that, that says everything
about that fucking relationship is
00:12:39.921 --> 00:12:44.371
just like Jonathan being completely
oblivious to the look of love of,
00:12:44.491 --> 00:12:46.261
of like legitimate lust in a woman.
00:12:46.661 --> 00:12:46.991
Emily: Yeah.
00:12:46.991 --> 00:12:52.204
Jonathan is a, a card, as they would
say in this version of London where
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everyone has a Trans Atlantic accent,
except for Martin, we need to talk
00:12:58.239 --> 00:12:58.959
Ben: Oh my God.
00:12:58.959 --> 00:12:59.199
Yes.
00:12:59.199 --> 00:13:00.219
Please let us talk about
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Emily: is Martin.
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in the, in the Spanish version.
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Jeremy: So
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Martin is the The guard?
00:13:04.126 --> 00:13:04.666
Yes.
00:13:04.891 --> 00:13:05.924
Emily: he's an orderly.
00:13:05.957 --> 00:13:12.428
Uh, The sanatorium, which they do
specify is next to Carfax Abby,
00:13:12.428 --> 00:13:14.658
like that's, that is in the book.
00:13:14.658 --> 00:13:15.858
That is in the cannon.
00:13:16.235 --> 00:13:21.355
Ben: I do love how Dracula's plan is
to move in right next door to these
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people and before killing everyone just
ingratiating him as this charming before
00:13:26.659 --> 00:13:31.429
a neighbor with the wacky accent who just
pops in like a fucking sitcom neighbor.
00:13:31.574 --> 00:13:33.224
Emily: Yeah, he really does.
00:13:33.284 --> 00:13:36.084
And especially, it was kind of
a sitcom moment where they were
00:13:36.084 --> 00:13:37.814
like, who is doing all this?
00:13:37.814 --> 00:13:40.574
And then the maid announces him
and he is like, couch, Dracula,
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Ben: Fucking amazing.
00:13:42.104 --> 00:13:43.844
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
00:13:43.849 --> 00:13:44.174
yeah.
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And okay, so Martin,
let's go back to Martin.
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He's very important.
00:13:47.315 --> 00:13:48.495
He and I share a name.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
00:13:49.488 --> 00:13:50.958
Spanish Dracula is a snack.
00:13:51.091 --> 00:13:51.781
So
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Jeremy: Martin has one of two
glorious mustaches in this movie.
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The other one belonging to the the
man who tries to get renfield, not
00:13:58.483 --> 00:13:59.923
to go to the castle at the beginning.
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Who has a wonderful Eastern
European giant mustache?
00:14:04.266 --> 00:14:07.056
Emily: that guy, first of all, okay.
00:14:07.146 --> 00:14:09.576
Holding off on Martin now because
I need to talk about that guy.
00:14:09.576 --> 00:14:10.116
He brought him up.
00:14:10.116 --> 00:14:14.086
Jeremy, we have to talk about him
because he, at the, get-go of this
00:14:14.086 --> 00:14:16.636
movie is like, yo, there are vampires.
00:14:16.726 --> 00:14:19.696
They're vampires to suck you blood
and your blood and they do bats and
00:14:19.786 --> 00:14:22.156
wolves and strip draculas up there.
00:14:22.156 --> 00:14:23.633
He's a vampire and he does like
00:14:23.633 --> 00:14:26.033
Ben: He's gonna, he's so
angry about Renfield that he.
00:14:26.133 --> 00:14:30.063
Go on Transylvania Fox News and be
like, it's a war on Walpurgis Day.
00:14:30.151 --> 00:14:30.601
Emily: Yeah.
00:14:30.631 --> 00:14:31.901
Well, Walpurgis Night.
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Ben: Walpurgis night.
00:14:34.509 --> 00:14:36.119
tran's third worst holiday.
00:14:36.528 --> 00:14:39.248
Emily: Listen, in my household,
we all know about, well,
00:14:39.253 --> 00:14:41.108
RGUs not for two reasons.
00:14:41.113 --> 00:14:42.488
One, it is Witches Knight.
00:14:42.488 --> 00:14:43.718
That is what the name means.
00:14:43.718 --> 00:14:46.143
Well, I should say it is April 30th.
00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:50.099
So the night before Beltane,
which is, you know, the, the,
00:14:50.499 --> 00:14:51.399
these days we know it as the
00:14:51.579 --> 00:14:52.209
Ben: Let's pretend.
00:14:52.209 --> 00:14:53.019
I don't know.
00:14:53.409 --> 00:14:54.009
Emily: Okay.
00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:59.229
It is the fucking holiday for
Pagans, but the night before
00:14:59.409 --> 00:15:02.658
is like fire and shit holiday.
00:15:02.666 --> 00:15:04.496
It's kind of like spring Halloween.
00:15:04.591 --> 00:15:05.186
Ben: makes sense.
00:15:05.186 --> 00:15:06.986
Fire also gets me horny.
00:15:07.346 --> 00:15:10.406
I probably shouldn't admit, I probably
shouldn't say that on a public podcast.
00:15:10.626 --> 00:15:13.281
Emily: Last time I talked about
uh, my thought form energy ghost.
00:15:13.286 --> 00:15:14.181
So don't worry about it.
00:15:14.181 --> 00:15:18.971
So like the other thing that we know about
about Wal Perish Knock is that is when
00:15:18.971 --> 00:15:25.421
the biggest witch ever comes to town, and
only Meca can defeat it by becoming a God.
00:15:25.601 --> 00:15:29.861
And that is from Puja Meka Magica,
which I assume you all have seen
00:15:29.866 --> 00:15:31.320
because it's, you know, important.
00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:31.770
Anyway,
00:15:32.015 --> 00:15:32.335
Jeremy: Sure.
00:15:32.735 --> 00:15:34.355
Emily: That's my recommendation for this.
00:15:34.645 --> 00:15:37.340
Ben: if that's, the next, birthday
podcast, I might quit this show y'all
00:15:37.385 --> 00:15:37.805
Emily: Don't
00:15:39.180 --> 00:15:39.840
Ben: I'm kidding.
00:15:39.940 --> 00:15:40.600
I'm kidding.
00:15:40.685 --> 00:15:42.785
Emily: good, because you
gotta watch that shit.
00:15:42.844 --> 00:15:46.444
But yeah, the, the, I'm not gonna make you
watch it for, it's, it's a whole series.
00:15:46.491 --> 00:15:51.325
The Hungarian guy straight up tells
Renfield everything that is going on and
00:15:51.325 --> 00:15:55.158
then, you know, everything that the guy
said would happen, happens to Renfield.
00:15:55.248 --> 00:15:58.188
Jeremy: Springfield's like,
but I have business with money
00:15:58.588 --> 00:15:59.248
Emily: Yeah,
00:15:59.648 --> 00:16:03.758
I wanna go and meet this guy on
the crossroads at midnight because
00:16:03.758 --> 00:16:05.468
there's nothing sussy about that.
00:16:05.878 --> 00:16:06.438
Ben: Right.
00:16:06.438 --> 00:16:11.378
Like just renfield surprised me cuz he's
just so like nebbish and then like once
00:16:11.378 --> 00:16:16.478
he turns, he is just like, he gets it,
he gets like this whole talkie thing.
00:16:16.478 --> 00:16:19.598
He is, he is one of the early
pioneers and scene chewy.
00:16:20.408 --> 00:16:23.558
Emily: Oh, well, yeah, I mean, he
is, he is putting his all into this.
00:16:24.171 --> 00:16:27.890
Interestingly, he's got the
whole like German expressionist
00:16:27.890 --> 00:16:30.879
like crazy shit going on.
00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.339
Like he's, he's in that cabinet with Dr.
00:16:33.339 --> 00:16:34.059
Callegari.
00:16:34.109 --> 00:16:38.711
And apparently like the whole German
expressionist thing is typified by the
00:16:38.711 --> 00:16:41.637
uh, the haircut where they wax the hair
back and then just shake it a bunch.
00:16:41.847 --> 00:16:44.037
And that's where we get the goth look.
00:16:44.097 --> 00:16:48.767
So this, in goth history, we wear
the black makeup because it makes
00:16:48.767 --> 00:16:50.027
us look like silent film stars.
00:16:50.552 --> 00:16:51.392
And that's where it comes from.
00:16:51.392 --> 00:16:52.832
Anyway, Martin?
00:16:53.232 --> 00:16:53.652
Jeremy: Yes.
00:16:54.142 --> 00:16:54.772
Emily: Yes.
00:16:55.327 --> 00:16:56.887
Ben: We got our way back to Martin Hell.
00:16:57.232 --> 00:17:00.914
Jeremy: Martin is the orderly at the
sanitarium next door to the Abbey,
00:17:00.914 --> 00:17:02.348
which is next door to the house.
00:17:02.396 --> 00:17:04.236
They're all, they're all
right next to each other.
00:17:04.245 --> 00:17:09.435
So Martin has a, an incredible mustache
and uh, is in a completely different
00:17:09.435 --> 00:17:11.115
movie than the rest of these charact.
00:17:11.670 --> 00:17:15.540
He is having a full on slapstick
comedy where he locks up
00:17:15.540 --> 00:17:17.310
this crazy guy every night.
00:17:17.310 --> 00:17:21.000
And every night this crazy guy
finds a way to get out and he has to
00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:22.740
chase him down and take him on back.
00:17:22.745 --> 00:17:25.416
And it's not like a vicious
or violent relationship.
00:17:25.616 --> 00:17:27.236
It's more like adult hide and seek
00:17:27.911 --> 00:17:28.871
Ben: It's great.
00:17:29.081 --> 00:17:33.295
the rapport between Martin and
Renfield it's the stuff like
00:17:33.295 --> 00:17:34.975
great Loony Tunes are made of.
00:17:35.740 --> 00:17:40.649
Jeremy: And Martin also has my favorite
scene, which is where Dracula has flown
00:17:40.654 --> 00:17:45.334
away as a bat and he is out there trying
to shoot the bat out of the sky with the
00:17:45.334 --> 00:17:49.596
uh, maid from the house and that housings
is like, Martin, what are you doing?
00:17:49.866 --> 00:17:52.146
And he is like, there's a
big fucking bat out here.
00:17:52.151 --> 00:17:53.016
I'm trying to shoot it.
00:17:53.186 --> 00:17:54.866
And he is like, don't bother.
00:17:54.926 --> 00:17:57.816
You won't harm that bat with a gun or it.
00:17:58.226 --> 00:18:01.476
All right, turns to the mate and is
like, or she's like, I think he's crazy.
00:18:01.476 --> 00:18:02.946
He's like, I think all of you're crazy.
00:18:02.951 --> 00:18:05.676
Everybody except you and me,
and I'm not sure about you.
00:18:06.171 --> 00:18:06.861
Emily: Yes.
00:18:06.921 --> 00:18:10.461
Ben: then he straight up Homer
Simpson backup walks into a
00:18:10.461 --> 00:18:12.271
blind like the darkness.
00:18:12.506 --> 00:18:15.386
Emily: He's in orderly and
you know, this is 1931.
00:18:15.386 --> 00:18:19.226
This is the time when the, when you have
the sanatorium, which is basically like.
00:18:19.626 --> 00:18:23.010
Mental health hasn't gotten much
better, but at least these days,
00:18:23.010 --> 00:18:27.676
the orderlies don't call you a
loony and be like, OI, you're crazy.
00:18:27.676 --> 00:18:28.066
What?
00:18:28.366 --> 00:18:29.506
And just like,
00:18:29.621 --> 00:18:33.211
Ben: It all sounds so much nicer
with a Cartoonishly cockney accent.
00:18:33.355 --> 00:18:36.745
Jeremy: the difference between the
sanatorium in this movie and the
00:18:36.745 --> 00:18:42.231
sanatorium in Bram Stoker's Dracula,
where all of the guards were giant
00:18:42.236 --> 00:18:46.371
boxes on their heads, and it's just
wet and rat filled all the time.
00:18:46.573 --> 00:18:47.823
it's a huge difference.
00:18:47.888 --> 00:18:53.538
Ben: This is a movie where an asci,
an insane asylum patient breaks
00:18:53.543 --> 00:18:56.158
out into like just breaks into.
00:18:56.848 --> 00:19:01.468
The doctor's like daughter's bedroom
and everyone's reaction is like,
00:19:01.738 --> 00:19:05.608
oh, Renfield, did you get out again?
00:19:06.068 --> 00:19:07.633
Emily: big Marmaduke energy.
00:19:08.478 --> 00:19:10.243
Ben: Renfield always causing Giff.
00:19:10.418 --> 00:19:12.818
Jeremy: definitely like pops into
the middle of one of the scenes in
00:19:12.818 --> 00:19:14.528
their house, like, knock, knock,
00:19:14.963 --> 00:19:18.563
Ben: It would be so easy to add
a laugh track to this movie,
00:19:18.788 --> 00:19:19.448
Emily: Yes.
00:19:19.688 --> 00:19:20.498
Oh my God.
00:19:20.695 --> 00:19:22.095
I'm surprised that someone hasn't done it,
00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.580
Ben: like, oh wait, this scene where
Dracula's trying to like tell Van
00:19:26.580 --> 00:19:28.380
Helsing to come and he's resisting.
00:19:28.615 --> 00:19:29.395
Like, I'm sorry.
00:19:29.395 --> 00:19:31.915
Like you could play that in a lot of
ways, but you could also absolutely
00:19:31.915 --> 00:19:33.985
put like a laugh track behind it.
00:19:34.108 --> 00:19:36.058
Jeremy: that scene is, is fantastic.
00:19:36.058 --> 00:19:40.168
In the English version, it's even better
in the Spanish version because the Spanish
00:19:40.168 --> 00:19:44.068
Dracula version is his eyes bug out and
he puts up his hand like he's about to do
00:19:44.068 --> 00:19:48.148
a high five to him and holds it in front
of his face like he's controlling him.
00:19:48.203 --> 00:19:51.053
Emily: yeah, the submit to my doc pow wow.
00:19:51.453 --> 00:19:51.903
Jeremy: yeah.
00:19:51.948 --> 00:19:54.964
Ben: Well, I do like the, I appreciate
the English version especially in my
00:19:54.969 --> 00:19:58.954
reading because it seems like Dracula
is trying to like, attract him just
00:19:58.954 --> 00:20:00.934
through sheer like sexual magnetism
00:20:01.604 --> 00:20:03.404
and it's, and it's kind of working.
00:20:03.804 --> 00:20:09.534
I cannot get enough of Van Haling just
like side turned, like hand on hip
00:20:09.814 --> 00:20:12.577
cocked out being like, what up Dracula?
00:20:12.582 --> 00:20:13.927
We're playing mind games.
00:20:13.927 --> 00:20:16.987
We're like De Niro and
Pacino in heat Dracula.
00:20:17.387 --> 00:20:19.637
Emily: is that Van
Helsing in this image that
00:20:19.877 --> 00:20:20.357
Jeremy: yes.
00:20:20.447 --> 00:20:23.177
Spanish Van Hal Sing looks
distinctly like Eugene Lev.
00:20:23.628 --> 00:20:24.748
Emily: He really does.
00:20:25.148 --> 00:20:25.628
Jeremy: yeah,
00:20:25.742 --> 00:20:26.372
Ben: Oh my God.
00:20:26.372 --> 00:20:28.922
I had no idea how much I
need Eugene Levy to play Van
00:20:29.267 --> 00:20:30.057
Emily: Oh my God.
00:20:30.267 --> 00:20:31.737
Jeremy: I would really be into that.
00:20:32.018 --> 00:20:32.648
That would really be great.
00:20:32.648 --> 00:20:36.968
This, this version of Dracula is
much shorter on characters than the
00:20:37.043 --> 00:20:42.680
Ben: Well, I am, I'm way more
into that because a Eugene Levy.
00:20:42.710 --> 00:20:45.200
Van Helsing means
Catherine O'Hara Dracula.
00:20:45.600 --> 00:20:46.470
Emily: Oh my God.
00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:47.470
Jeremy: I'd be into That
00:20:47.710 --> 00:20:48.040
That would be
00:20:48.110 --> 00:20:48.510
Emily: my God,
00:20:48.805 --> 00:20:51.385
Ben: Like, tell me there's
anyone, Catherine O'Hara.
00:20:51.445 --> 00:20:55.945
You cast Catherine O'Hara as, as
anyone but fucking real deal Dracula.
00:20:56.145 --> 00:20:59.350
Emily: I mean, she's basically
played Dracula in a number of films.
00:20:59.417 --> 00:21:02.885
Ben: Definitely gonna have to go
revisit Dracula though when the fucking
00:21:02.885 --> 00:21:08.615
Nicholas Hoult Renfield movie comes
out with Nicholas Cage as Dracula.
00:21:08.815 --> 00:21:09.620
Emily: yeah.
00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:11.150
Oh my God.
00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:11.750
Jeremy: be wild.
00:21:12.340 --> 00:21:13.910
Emily: Oh, I'm just thinking about it.
00:21:13.910 --> 00:21:15.110
I'm just like, oh yeah,
00:21:15.575 --> 00:21:17.375
Ben: We also gotta do
the menu at some point.
00:21:17.465 --> 00:21:19.715
There's a bunch of Nicholas
Hoult films to cover.
00:21:19.895 --> 00:21:21.365
Good for you Nicholas Hoult you doing?
00:21:21.365 --> 00:21:22.415
The little horror game?
00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:24.080
Emily: for real, for real.
00:21:24.085 --> 00:21:25.680
Okay, so Martin,
00:21:26.225 --> 00:21:26.885
Ben: Oh my God, yes.
00:21:26.890 --> 00:21:27.305
I'm sorry.
00:21:27.560 --> 00:21:28.340
Emily: no, it's okay.
00:21:28.340 --> 00:21:30.260
Because we've talked about
Martin, we've mostly said what
00:21:30.260 --> 00:21:31.400
there has to say about Martin.
00:21:31.435 --> 00:21:33.085
Ben: Just that he's amazing
00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:34.270
Emily: he's fantastic.
00:21:34.346 --> 00:21:37.706
He's the only person in this movie set
in London that has a British accent.
00:21:37.706 --> 00:21:39.296
. And it is played for laughs.
00:21:39.296 --> 00:21:43.841
Like he's, cuz he's go, oh, oh,
I'm K band and I'm just simple.
00:21:43.990 --> 00:21:44.260
Ben: again.
00:21:44.265 --> 00:21:47.050
He is in a slapstick cartoon
00:21:48.100 --> 00:21:48.460
Emily: yeah.
00:21:48.460 --> 00:21:53.080
And he can't seem to watch Renfield
even though everyone's like, don't
00:21:53.085 --> 00:21:54.580
you take your ribs off Renfield?
00:21:54.610 --> 00:21:55.690
Cuz he might be out there.
00:21:55.695 --> 00:21:57.460
Jack the riping on the streets.
00:21:57.770 --> 00:22:02.395
Ben: He does feel like the
movie is intentionally using.
00:22:03.265 --> 00:22:07.341
For like comic relief and to
like lighten some tension.
00:22:07.611 --> 00:22:08.121
Emily: Yeah.
00:22:08.278 --> 00:22:11.368
Ben: this is not a, what the fuck
is this weird character being here?
00:22:11.368 --> 00:22:14.878
Like this is a character that was
created for a specific reason in
00:22:14.878 --> 00:22:17.578
the film and was executed very well.
00:22:17.788 --> 00:22:18.208
Emily: Yeah.
00:22:18.608 --> 00:22:23.718
And he, I we should mention,
because this movie is in 1931 Yeah.
00:22:23.778 --> 00:22:25.638
Dracula has an offscreen death.
00:22:26.038 --> 00:22:26.878
There's a lot of things
00:22:26.968 --> 00:22:28.198
Ben: This was Preco though.
00:22:28.198 --> 00:22:30.148
They could have fucking
staked him through the heart.
00:22:30.473 --> 00:22:31.213
Emily: they could have,
00:22:31.498 --> 00:22:35.248
Ben: I watched Scarface like
fucking the 20th Scarface.
00:22:35.248 --> 00:22:36.898
They killed people all the fucking time.
00:22:36.898 --> 00:22:39.088
Don't tell me they couldn't
kill people on screen back.
00:22:39.550 --> 00:22:40.420
Emily: Yes.
00:22:40.460 --> 00:22:46.636
However, still trying to, I mean,
Amazon told me this movie was downbeat
00:22:46.750 --> 00:22:51.363
I think that that's valid especially
when it comes to the classic horror
00:22:51.363 --> 00:22:53.477
cinema it's about atmosphere.
00:22:53.654 --> 00:22:54.884
There was a lot of screaming.
00:22:54.889 --> 00:22:58.514
Yeah, we could probably have had
more onscreen deaths and like
00:22:58.544 --> 00:23:00.398
maybe fewer bats on strings.
00:23:00.405 --> 00:23:00.675
Ben: No.
00:23:00.675 --> 00:23:01.065
Okay.
00:23:01.185 --> 00:23:02.355
That I will fight you.
00:23:02.385 --> 00:23:03.195
Vahe and Leon.
00:23:03.405 --> 00:23:06.885
There were either the exact
right amount of bats on strings
00:23:07.005 --> 00:23:09.165
or not enough bats on strings.
00:23:09.255 --> 00:23:09.495
Emily: Okay.
00:23:09.495 --> 00:23:12.491
Well then apparently you can't
have one or you can't have both.
00:23:12.521 --> 00:23:15.101
It's either bats on
strings or onscreen deaths.
00:23:15.478 --> 00:23:17.745
Ben: big flay ass bat
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:18.540
Emily: Yeah.
00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:19.960
Ben: Fucking flawless.
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:20.530
Amazing.
00:23:20.535 --> 00:23:21.520
10 I like.
00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:27.055
No, that's absolutely the kind of
thing though, like, I really like
00:23:27.055 --> 00:23:28.885
it from a campy point of view.
00:23:28.885 --> 00:23:30.415
Like it's very fun to me.
00:23:30.745 --> 00:23:35.155
But I, that's the kind of thing
where I'll also give the movie just
00:23:35.155 --> 00:23:39.995
like a lot of wiggle room, just
for like, for being 1931 where it's
00:23:39.995 --> 00:23:45.405
like, okay, you are figuring out how
movies work, how to do any of this.
00:23:46.225 --> 00:23:49.885
nobody up until now, except for Nas
Ferrai probably had to deal with like,
00:23:49.965 --> 00:23:54.945
will we legitimately need bats to play
a large role in the plot of the movie?
00:23:55.345 --> 00:23:59.905
How the fuck do we put a bat and get it
to do what we wanna do in any kind of way
00:23:59.905 --> 00:24:05.455
that's recognizable or controllable with
our 1931 film Technology and knowledge.
00:24:05.665 --> 00:24:06.895
Emily: Well, we can't use a Zoom.
00:24:06.895 --> 00:24:08.245
There's no such thing as Zoom.
00:24:08.605 --> 00:24:08.965
Ben: Yeah.
00:24:09.415 --> 00:24:13.675
They could not take an actual like bat and
just tie a GoPro to that little fucker,
00:24:13.755 --> 00:24:14.355
which is what I
00:24:14.355 --> 00:24:15.645
assume you would do today.
00:24:15.885 --> 00:24:16.485
I don't know how
00:24:16.930 --> 00:24:19.210
Jeremy: the wildest thing
about this movie is that at 75
00:24:19.210 --> 00:24:21.190
minutes, it feels really long.
00:24:21.325 --> 00:24:21.906
Ben: Oh my God.
00:24:22.015 --> 00:24:26.455
This is the longest hour 15
movie, and yet it feels like
00:24:26.455 --> 00:24:28.255
it's skipping over everything.
00:24:28.600 --> 00:24:28.990
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:31.175
It's pacing is quite deliberate.
00:24:31.371 --> 00:24:37.311
, I don't know if it was just an age
thing or what, but Bela Lagosi, like,
00:24:37.431 --> 00:24:39.411
I understand the rate of his talking.
00:24:39.411 --> 00:24:41.296
It's, you know, maybe
little more difficult.
00:24:41.296 --> 00:24:42.826
It's not always his native language.
00:24:42.826 --> 00:24:44.356
He has a very heavy accent.
00:24:44.356 --> 00:24:48.596
But like, even just walking
down the street, it's like step,
00:24:48.941 --> 00:24:51.714
Ben: but that accent is great.
00:24:52.074 --> 00:24:52.434
Like
00:24:52.734 --> 00:24:58.044
that's the accent that would become
the ubiquitous universal Dracula
00:24:58.044 --> 00:25:01.764
voice for the next literal 90 years.
00:25:02.004 --> 00:25:06.054
anytime he is talking and it's the same
for Christopher Lee, like it's great.
00:25:06.534 --> 00:25:09.444
But also, again, like you
talk about deliberate pacing.
00:25:09.496 --> 00:25:13.974
How much of this movie is spent
in total silence with just a light
00:25:13.974 --> 00:25:16.434
shining right in Bela Lagos see's eyes.
00:25:16.779 --> 00:25:17.649
Emily: That's the effects.
00:25:17.649 --> 00:25:18.669
Like that's their effects.
00:25:18.669 --> 00:25:24.195
It's just focus and you know, that
deliberate pacing, deliberate action.
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.555
It, it is very theatrical that way.
00:25:27.605 --> 00:25:33.101
Cuz it is basically, I mean, as far as I
know, it's the play, but a movie, right?
00:25:33.168 --> 00:25:33.558
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:25:33.618 --> 00:25:36.168
I mean it's, it's brought
straight from the stage.
00:25:36.168 --> 00:25:39.618
I mean, that's Bill Lagosi wanted to.
00:25:40.018 --> 00:25:43.023
B, he wanted to replicate his
success from the stage so much
00:25:43.383 --> 00:25:45.663
that he got paid peanuts for this.
00:25:45.663 --> 00:25:48.389
He got paid $500 a week which was a
00:25:48.389 --> 00:25:52.949
tiny fraction of what mans was
making for turning in a really
00:25:52.949 --> 00:25:55.392
mediocre performances uh,
00:25:56.032 --> 00:25:58.462
Ben: again, he succeeded.
00:25:58.722 --> 00:26:03.312
This is a performance that has gone
on to define a cultural touchstone
00:26:03.522 --> 00:26:08.172
for a, it hasn't quite been a century,
but it sure as shit will be soon
00:26:08.572 --> 00:26:08.872
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:26:08.952 --> 00:26:11.232
I mean, there's so many of
his lines in this movie.
00:26:11.652 --> 00:26:17.472
Dracula doesn't talk a ton, but all of
his lines are like, you've heard this
00:26:17.477 --> 00:26:22.662
version of this delivery over and over,
like, it's so ubiquitous, like the
00:26:22.662 --> 00:26:25.542
way he says the children of the night,
00:26:26.262 --> 00:26:29.022
what beautiful music they make,
00:26:31.242 --> 00:26:32.622
Ben: I don't drink wine.
00:26:33.672 --> 00:26:34.092
Emily: Yes.
00:26:34.317 --> 00:26:38.937
Jeremy: Now I do like the Coppola reading
of, I don't drink wine much better
00:26:38.942 --> 00:26:44.367
because he says I don't drink wine,
whereas Gary Oldman says, I don't drink
00:26:46.697 --> 00:26:47.187
wine.
00:26:48.642 --> 00:26:48.792
Emily: Yeah.
00:26:49.572 --> 00:26:52.542
Ben: Well that's the thing is that
like this is a little skipping ahead
00:26:52.542 --> 00:26:54.462
to recommend like what I recommend.
00:26:54.462 --> 00:26:58.882
It's like I very much appreciate this
movie and I totally understand like,
00:26:59.082 --> 00:27:04.597
that it gave us the foundational
Dracula, like mythos and lore and
00:27:04.597 --> 00:27:08.917
rules and you know, just the general
viness and perception to him.
00:27:08.917 --> 00:27:15.207
But I guess say having watched Bram
Stoker's Dracula and 1931 Dracula
00:27:15.207 --> 00:27:19.957
essentially pack to pack, like, I can't
really see myself revisiting 31 the way I
00:27:19.962 --> 00:27:22.957
can very easily see myself revisiting 92,
00:27:23.337 --> 00:27:24.147
Jeremy: Yeah, it's
00:27:24.427 --> 00:27:25.027
like, like we were
00:27:25.107 --> 00:27:26.607
Ben: and I know they're
so different, but fuck it.
00:27:26.607 --> 00:27:28.527
At the end of the day, I'm here in 2022.
00:27:28.997 --> 00:27:31.247
Being a judgey podcast prick.
00:27:31.472 --> 00:27:34.802
Jeremy: I mean, at an hour 15,
like we said, this one is sparse.
00:27:34.807 --> 00:27:37.522
There's a lot of nothing
in the bits of this movie.
00:27:37.522 --> 00:27:40.805
And I don't mean that as a criticism, it's
just like we said, the way it was Paste.
00:27:40.917 --> 00:27:43.467
Ben: It's not even like a tight hour 15.
00:27:43.872 --> 00:27:44.262
Jeremy: yeah.
00:27:44.292 --> 00:27:49.002
Whereas like we were talking about the
Francis Ford Copel a Dracula just has
00:27:49.242 --> 00:27:51.552
shit on shit, on shit, on shit, on shit.
00:27:51.552 --> 00:27:54.419
Like there's so many things
going on in that movie.
00:27:54.432 --> 00:27:59.475
And there's, it's so banana pants at
points that it's like, I've rewatched
00:27:59.475 --> 00:28:01.035
it just to show it to Alicia.
00:28:01.490 --> 00:28:03.759
And like, , there's
nothing about this one.
00:28:04.149 --> 00:28:07.809
Like you could very easily find
five minutes of clips of Bela Lagosi
00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:11.439
talking and get everything from it
then that you're gonna get from this.
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.889
I, I do appreciate hi,
like the shots of his eyes.
00:28:15.889 --> 00:28:16.999
They're very iconic.
00:28:17.029 --> 00:28:19.209
Like this, everything about Bela Lagos.
00:28:19.609 --> 00:28:22.159
Performance, and this is literally iconic.
00:28:22.159 --> 00:28:26.277
It created an icon in, in ways that
Gary Oldman's don't necessarily his
00:28:26.277 --> 00:28:29.127
are, are big and campy, his choices.
00:28:29.507 --> 00:28:33.687
Ben: I feel like what's most
iconic about Gary Oldman is not to
00:28:33.687 --> 00:28:35.007
say in any way he did a bad job.
00:28:35.007 --> 00:28:35.427
He did not.
00:28:35.427 --> 00:28:36.567
He did an excellent job.
00:28:36.867 --> 00:28:40.077
But I feel like what was most iconic
about his Dracula were the outfits.
00:28:40.127 --> 00:28:41.837
Emily: mean, that was pretty, most
00:28:41.837 --> 00:28:41.957
of
00:28:41.957 --> 00:28:42.617
the movie was
00:28:43.177 --> 00:28:43.867
Jeremy: the outfits in
00:28:43.867 --> 00:28:43.987
the
00:28:44.127 --> 00:28:44.547
Ben: Yeah.
00:28:44.547 --> 00:28:45.687
I mean that, that drip.
00:28:46.087 --> 00:28:49.597
I mean, only Gary Oldman's Dracula
is going around with like the long
00:28:49.597 --> 00:28:53.287
flowing locks and the little John
Lennon glasses and the big top hat
00:28:53.287 --> 00:28:56.437
just looking fucking suave as hell.
00:28:56.437 --> 00:28:59.857
And also like you would fit in
the cast of Wild, wild West.
00:29:00.387 --> 00:29:04.341
Emily: This, I keep wondering if this
movie was supposed to be contemporary.
00:29:04.391 --> 00:29:04.901
if the
00:29:04.901 --> 00:29:05.321
31
00:29:05.581 --> 00:29:08.526
Ben: I think it was like, I don't,
think this was a period piece,
00:29:08.886 --> 00:29:12.246
I think this was a movie meant
to take place in the early 1930s
00:29:12.486 --> 00:29:13.116
Emily: Yes.
00:29:13.326 --> 00:29:15.216
Ben: because like at first
I thought, okay, maybe.
00:29:15.516 --> 00:29:19.291
But then they got all the, like
the electric equipment and like Van
00:29:19.291 --> 00:29:23.761
Halen's kind of operating table looks
a lot more modern than anything else.
00:29:23.761 --> 00:29:27.745
So I do think this movie is supposed
to be contemporary to its release,
00:29:28.045 --> 00:29:28.435
Emily: Yeah.
00:29:28.435 --> 00:29:30.535
And Lucy is flapping it.
00:29:30.585 --> 00:29:35.468
She is super like flapper
style short hair rocking it up.
00:29:35.561 --> 00:29:35.673
Ben: I
00:29:35.673 --> 00:29:36.153
mean, it is.
00:29:37.353 --> 00:29:41.058
seeing a movie that was meant
to be set in modern day.
00:29:41.058 --> 00:29:45.361
That's just so long ago now that it's
like retroactively a period piece
00:29:45.836 --> 00:29:48.526
Jeremy: there's so much less about
this Lucy to talk about cause she
00:29:48.526 --> 00:29:51.596
appears in so little of this movie and.
00:29:51.616 --> 00:29:53.036
Emily: is unfortunate, yes,
00:29:53.051 --> 00:29:53.201
Ben: but
00:29:53.201 --> 00:29:54.821
she is into a Dracula salad.
00:29:54.911 --> 00:29:57.131
She's like, yeah, Dracula
fucking take me away to your
00:29:57.131 --> 00:29:58.751
weird ass castle full of wolves.
00:29:58.751 --> 00:30:00.418
I wanna be Countess Dracula.
00:30:00.418 --> 00:30:00.928
Let's do
00:30:01.093 --> 00:30:02.353
Jeremy: Which side of my neck?
00:30:02.353 --> 00:30:03.493
Is it easier to bite?
00:30:03.643 --> 00:30:03.943
Emily: Yeah.
00:30:04.493 --> 00:30:05.573
How about all of it?
00:30:06.023 --> 00:30:06.293
Yeah.
00:30:06.298 --> 00:30:09.383
She's super down to
clown and like this Lucy.
00:30:09.415 --> 00:30:11.815
Yeah, she's not in it, but there's
no, she doesn't have the hair.
00:30:11.815 --> 00:30:16.003
I'm, as you said, uh, there's no Arthur
Homewood, there's no Quincy Morris.
00:30:16.453 --> 00:30:16.873
Dr.
00:30:16.873 --> 00:30:19.273
Seward is Mina's dad, which is
00:30:19.688 --> 00:30:22.148
something that's a,
that's a bit of a change.
00:30:22.153 --> 00:30:22.448
Yes.
00:30:22.448 --> 00:30:25.874
But but I'm glad that there's no
tension between Seward and Lucy.
00:30:25.892 --> 00:30:30.203
. But Dracula shows up while they're at
the opera cuz he can't fucking wait.
00:30:30.603 --> 00:30:32.283
And he's like, Hey guys, what's up?
00:30:32.283 --> 00:30:35.903
It's me, I'm your new neighbor
and he's talking about death and
00:30:35.903 --> 00:30:37.373
how great it would be to be dead.
00:30:37.773 --> 00:30:40.513
And Lucy's like, yeah, death.
00:30:40.993 --> 00:30:42.433
And she's super goth.
00:30:42.657 --> 00:30:49.107
Ben: it's terrible how little Lucy we
get because once again, she is like by
00:30:49.107 --> 00:30:51.567
far like one of the best characters.
00:30:52.017 --> 00:30:52.767
Emily: yeah.
00:30:52.797 --> 00:30:56.277
Jeremy: Yeah, John sucks
somehow even more in this movie.
00:30:56.307 --> 00:30:58.377
Ben: John sucks so much more.
00:30:58.737 --> 00:31:02.117
Emily: he is less mediocre and
more just straight up shitty.
00:31:02.367 --> 00:31:02.847
Ben: Yeah.
00:31:02.947 --> 00:31:03.367
Okay.
00:31:03.487 --> 00:31:07.290
This though brings me to my
favorite scene in the movie.
00:31:08.115 --> 00:31:13.371
It's when Mina is trying to explain that
she can't have Jonathan touch her or kiss
00:31:13.371 --> 00:31:15.904
her anymore and they can't be together.
00:31:16.234 --> 00:31:19.474
And it definitely feels like a coming
out scene even though it's definitely
00:31:19.474 --> 00:31:22.294
in context way more like s t d metaphor
00:31:22.804 --> 00:31:24.004
and like symbolism.
00:31:24.484 --> 00:31:30.584
But it's great cuz Mina turns to Van
Haling is like, make him understand,
00:31:30.584 --> 00:31:32.774
please break up with my boyfriend for me.
00:31:33.174 --> 00:31:36.564
And Van Haling just gets up and leaves.
00:31:36.836 --> 00:31:37.326
Emily: Yeah.
00:31:37.326 --> 00:31:38.884
He's like, uh, sorry,
00:31:40.274 --> 00:31:41.214
Jeremy: But nothing's like,
00:31:41.219 --> 00:31:42.534
I'm not into this drama
00:31:42.774 --> 00:31:43.194
Emily: God.
00:31:43.239 --> 00:31:44.529
Ben: it's fantastic.
00:31:45.349 --> 00:31:49.849
He doesn't say a word, he just gets
up and walks the fuck off frame.
00:31:50.249 --> 00:31:53.279
I don't know if that was in
the script, but I loved it.
00:31:53.789 --> 00:31:58.259
Emily: This is after the whole situation
with Dracula not showing up in the mirror
00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:59.729
or saying that he doesn't like mirrors.
00:31:59.925 --> 00:32:03.946
Van Helsing is like, trying to
like play Dracula with the mirrors.
00:32:04.516 --> 00:32:08.656
And then he basically Dracula explains
to like the whole party of people in the
00:32:08.656 --> 00:32:10.786
room being like, I don't like mirrors.
00:32:11.266 --> 00:32:13.036
Ben Helsing will tell you why.
00:32:13.666 --> 00:32:15.886
And then just fucking
mic drops out of there.
00:32:16.096 --> 00:32:16.276
Ben: Yeah.
00:32:16.276 --> 00:32:19.576
It's like did he wanna, like, was he
just like being like, okay, the game
00:32:19.576 --> 00:32:20.926
is up, or is he trying to reverse it?
00:32:20.926 --> 00:32:25.006
Or being like, I don't like mirrors,
which you all know, which we Van Helsing.
00:32:25.006 --> 00:32:28.186
Why are you bringing mirrors
when you know I don't like them?
00:32:28.186 --> 00:32:31.936
What a, everyone be mad at
Van Helsing instead of me.
00:32:32.336 --> 00:32:37.446
Emily: I mean, there is a kind of
weird undertone here, even though
00:32:37.476 --> 00:32:38.466
Martin says,
00:32:38.646 --> 00:32:40.476
Ben: between Van Helsing and Dracula
00:32:40.716 --> 00:32:41.976
in this movie.
00:32:42.201 --> 00:32:43.911
Emily: I'm just talking
about the movie in general.
00:32:44.301 --> 00:32:48.780
There's, there's a kind of weird undertone
of yeah, everybody's fucking nuts.
00:32:48.830 --> 00:32:53.180
Ben: I mean, just imagine being
Martin, you're just going about doing
00:32:53.180 --> 00:32:58.460
your job and then like this weird
doctor who came to visit just yells
00:32:58.460 --> 00:33:00.890
at you being like, guns won't help.
00:33:00.980 --> 00:33:03.140
That bat is bulletproof.
00:33:03.540 --> 00:33:04.440
Emily: yeah, I mean
00:33:04.455 --> 00:33:06.585
Ben: What the fuck would your reaction be?
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.290
Emily: he's very, Martin is very
relatable, but there's also a line
00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:15.994
that van Helsing says that Dracs
power is in that no one believes in
00:33:16.309 --> 00:33:17.539
Ben: I also wrote that down.
00:33:17.539 --> 00:33:18.799
That's a great line.
00:33:18.814 --> 00:33:19.384
Emily: Yeah.
00:33:19.909 --> 00:33:20.269
Ben: awesome.
00:33:20.764 --> 00:33:21.214
Emily: Yeah.
00:33:21.214 --> 00:33:24.729
And so, . I feel like the whole
thing with Dracula being like,
00:33:24.729 --> 00:33:26.199
yeah, tell him I'm a vampire.
00:33:26.199 --> 00:33:29.659
See how they'll take it,
is that kind of challenge.
00:33:29.849 --> 00:33:34.539
Dracula's very existence is just
so fucking crazy that he can
00:33:34.539 --> 00:33:36.159
do whatever the hell he wants.
00:33:36.349 --> 00:33:39.682
There's definitely a class
undertone here as well.
00:33:40.057 --> 00:33:41.377
Ben: what again?
00:33:41.377 --> 00:33:45.670
Like the parts of the, of any Dracula
story that so often completely baffles
00:33:45.670 --> 00:33:49.260
me, except for Bram Stokers, which
again, they Ford Coppolas, which
00:33:49.760 --> 00:33:53.730
honestly the whole romance reincarnation
gives him an actual motivation
00:33:54.270 --> 00:33:55.920
partway through the movie at least.
00:33:56.063 --> 00:33:58.783
But like, Dracula, like,
what was your plan?
00:33:58.783 --> 00:34:03.180
You were going to move in,
kill your next door neighbors.
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.383
Like, Hey, have you not heard of,
like, don't shit where you eat,
00:34:06.783 --> 00:34:08.073
but like, what was the plan like.
00:34:08.473 --> 00:34:12.373
After all of your super rich neighbors
are dead and people are like, Hey,
00:34:12.373 --> 00:34:14.503
weird foreign guy who just moved in.
00:34:14.903 --> 00:34:15.683
What's up?
00:34:15.683 --> 00:34:18.063
Was he planning on just being
like, I think you should
00:34:18.063 --> 00:34:19.833
leave hot dog costume guy.
00:34:19.863 --> 00:34:22.443
Like we're all trying
to find who did this.
00:34:22.643 --> 00:34:25.878
Emily: In Sylvania, everybody
knew he was a fucking vampire.
00:34:26.278 --> 00:34:28.498
Everybody knew to carry
around crosses and stuff.
00:34:28.858 --> 00:34:30.838
Nobody believes in vampires in London,
00:34:31.183 --> 00:34:32.923
Jeremy: They had a wolf,
Spain all over the place.
00:34:33.673 --> 00:34:34.453
They were big on the wolf.
00:34:34.483 --> 00:34:35.323
Spain in this one.
00:34:35.353 --> 00:34:35.623
Not so
00:34:35.623 --> 00:34:36.283
much garlic.
00:34:36.283 --> 00:34:37.693
They're, they're the old school.
00:34:38.053 --> 00:34:40.753
Ben: I guess that would be the only
real explanation we have is just that
00:34:41.203 --> 00:34:45.133
everyone just onto fucking Dracula
shit over in Transylvania and they
00:34:45.133 --> 00:34:49.033
all got like, everyone just fucking
crossed and wolf bains up that he's
00:34:49.033 --> 00:34:50.443
just gotta go to a totally new.
00:34:51.093 --> 00:34:51.513
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:34:51.723 --> 00:34:56.043
It was just like, you know, thera killed
two of my uncles and a couple of cousins.
00:34:56.043 --> 00:34:58.323
Like, you know, you started
to get smart to things.
00:34:58.323 --> 00:35:00.982
Emily: And the first thing that
Dracula does when he arrives in London
00:35:00.982 --> 00:35:03.395
is he just takes out a flower girl.
00:35:03.595 --> 00:35:03.895
Ben: Yes.
00:35:03.895 --> 00:35:06.205
That's just some classic Dracula killing.
00:35:06.355 --> 00:35:06.595
That's
00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:06.910
Emily: it's.
00:35:07.315 --> 00:35:08.545
Ben: Dracula being Dracula.
00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:09.970
Emily: it's classic Dracula killing.
00:35:09.970 --> 00:35:13.904
But the, I, especially in how deliberate
this movie is, the class sentiments, the
00:35:13.904 --> 00:35:16.714
class statements are very, like clear.
00:35:17.044 --> 00:35:19.804
The fact that he immediately preys upon
00:35:20.309 --> 00:35:21.869
Jeremy: the poorer people
who won't be noticed.
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:22.469
Emily: yeah.
00:35:22.474 --> 00:35:22.619
the
00:35:22.974 --> 00:35:23.464
Ben: Yeah.
00:35:24.434 --> 00:35:24.974
But then
00:35:24.974 --> 00:35:29.024
he immediately moves on to rich people
who definitely will be and are noticed.
00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:31.559
Emily: but the, in that
case, he's seducing them.
00:35:31.659 --> 00:35:32.319
It's a different thing.
00:35:32.319 --> 00:35:35.139
Like he gets Lucy because she,
you know, she's like, Hey,
00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:38.659
Dracula, please bite me, please.
00:35:38.959 --> 00:35:44.129
You know, and there's, there's nothing
really like in the, in bra Stokers
00:35:44.129 --> 00:35:49.024
Dracula, there's a lot of to-do
made out of his, like all of his
00:35:49.024 --> 00:35:52.264
crazy supernatural powers, you know.
00:35:52.845 --> 00:35:56.235
And in this case, Dracula is
just a really extra rich dude.
00:35:56.332 --> 00:35:56.822
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:35:56.932 --> 00:35:57.222
I
00:35:57.308 --> 00:36:01.917
Emily: And e Mina at the beginning even
is like, Lucy, that rich dude that you
00:36:01.917 --> 00:36:05.037
were talking to really fucking extra
00:36:05.464 --> 00:36:07.744
Jeremy: he really, he's really good
at staring at people and making them
00:36:07.744 --> 00:36:10.474
do what he wants, but he doesn't
even have to do that with Lucy.
00:36:10.474 --> 00:36:11.824
It seems like Parker's.
00:36:11.824 --> 00:36:15.094
Like, yeah, that uh, Abby could be
real nice if you got the property
00:36:15.094 --> 00:36:18.794
brothers in there fix shit up and
Dracula's like, It reminds me of the
00:36:18.794 --> 00:36:20.744
ruined battlements of my homeland.
00:36:20.864 --> 00:36:23.414
And Lucy's like, I'll let
him ruin my battlements.
00:36:23.714 --> 00:36:27.954
Like it's, that's like
the whole conversation.
00:36:27.959 --> 00:36:31.614
And then, you know, they cut to that
night and Mina going, yeah, I bet you
00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:33.054
wanted him to ruin your battlements.
00:36:33.265 --> 00:36:34.495
Emily: Lucy's like, shut up.
00:36:34.495 --> 00:36:36.925
Yeah, I do, but like seriously I do.
00:36:36.925 --> 00:36:38.073
He's so cool.
00:36:38.506 --> 00:36:42.646
Ben: really wanna do a version where
Lucy is just so cool that it just
00:36:42.646 --> 00:36:46.936
Dracula fol, like Dracula and Lucy
just run off and do crazy shit.
00:36:47.166 --> 00:36:47.736
Dracula and
00:36:47.736 --> 00:36:49.803
Lucy do hot girl stuff in London.
00:36:49.836 --> 00:36:52.686
Jeremy: there's no reason given
for it to be Mina in this story.
00:36:52.686 --> 00:36:53.166
Like
00:36:53.176 --> 00:36:54.881
Ben: there's no reincarnation.
00:36:54.881 --> 00:36:59.155
Jeremy: He doesn't even seem particularly
into Mina when they meet the first time.
00:36:59.165 --> 00:37:02.196
Ben: Like, honestly, like
Mina's kind of a dud.
00:37:02.196 --> 00:37:04.266
Lucy's way better in this movie,
00:37:04.381 --> 00:37:07.411
Emily: yeah, I think that
just Lucy, he went overboard
00:37:07.411 --> 00:37:08.641
with Lucy and just killed her.
00:37:08.646 --> 00:37:12.331
And if Mina, he's like, oh, okay, so this
is how much British people have blood.
00:37:12.661 --> 00:37:12.871
I'm
00:37:12.871 --> 00:37:14.101
gonna drink the right amount.
00:37:14.351 --> 00:37:16.421
Jeremy: there's a lot of
people dying in this movie.
00:37:16.631 --> 00:37:19.991
They all die off screen
sometimes ridiculously.
00:37:20.141 --> 00:37:25.341
The whole bit with the ship is hilarious
to me because first of all, they uh,
00:37:25.346 --> 00:37:29.061
just straight up cut a scene on the
ocean from a silent film and stuck
00:37:29.061 --> 00:37:33.231
it into the middle of this and just
voice overed it cuz you can tell
00:37:33.231 --> 00:37:34.521
it's at a different speed than the
00:37:34.521 --> 00:37:34.971
Emily: yeah, it's a,
00:37:35.596 --> 00:37:38.510
Ben: that that's, are you
working hard or working smart?
00:37:38.558 --> 00:37:40.388
Jeremy: when they have to illustrate
that there's a bunch of dead people
00:37:40.388 --> 00:37:44.978
on the ship, they just like hand over
the ground and some feet and there's
00:37:44.978 --> 00:37:48.908
voiceovers of people going, man,
these guys sure are real fucking dead.
00:37:49.838 --> 00:37:51.338
Look at how dead these guys are.
00:37:51.908 --> 00:37:52.958
Real dead in here.
00:37:53.358 --> 00:37:58.086
Emily: I mean it's classic except for
maybe the uh, the montage element.
00:37:58.116 --> 00:38:03.365
It's pretty classic for some something
that is so directly taken from the stage.
00:38:03.765 --> 00:38:04.995
Ben: nothing beats.
00:38:05.445 --> 00:38:09.845
Martin for me to like, him just
reading out an entire horror
00:38:09.845 --> 00:38:11.975
short story from a newspaper.
00:38:12.375 --> 00:38:12.660
Emily: Yeah.
00:38:13.170 --> 00:38:16.770
And then the, yeah, the Lucy becoming
the woman in white and, and like
00:38:16.770 --> 00:38:18.390
killing children and stuff like that.
00:38:18.390 --> 00:38:22.030
And they talk about killing
her van Halen's like, well, we
00:38:22.165 --> 00:38:24.355
Ben: gets completely
dropped from the movie.
00:38:24.520 --> 00:38:24.610
Emily: They
00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:25.180
don't say,
00:38:25.555 --> 00:38:26.695
Ben: forget about Lucy,
00:38:26.830 --> 00:38:30.040
Emily: yeah, they, they apparent that
happened off screen too, I guess.
00:38:30.045 --> 00:38:31.970
Which, you know, unfortunate.
00:38:31.975 --> 00:38:32.180
But
00:38:32.345 --> 00:38:36.365
Ben: or she's just alive and universal
is just sitting on a Lucy, the
00:38:36.370 --> 00:38:41.505
white lady, goldmine, parentheses
come up with a better title,
00:38:42.395 --> 00:38:44.355
Jeremy: parenthesis, but not like that.
00:38:45.165 --> 00:38:48.705
Ben: but not actually Lucy,
the White Lady, you know?
00:38:48.765 --> 00:38:49.455
But better.
00:38:49.855 --> 00:38:53.455
Jeremy: Yeah, I just, I mean
obviously there's a lot of
00:38:53.455 --> 00:38:55.765
stuff with with class in here.
00:38:55.765 --> 00:38:59.065
As far as like anything dealing with
race in this movie, it's maybe negative
00:38:59.545 --> 00:39:04.565
because, you know, we have this sort
of classic, Eastern European Dracula
00:39:04.565 --> 00:39:06.095
that's here to steal all our women.
00:39:06.312 --> 00:39:09.172
Ben: I'm not sure if this is like
class or race, but like, I guess it's
00:39:09.172 --> 00:39:10.882
race, but it's all European people.
00:39:11.062 --> 00:39:18.532
But again, you do have this very Hungarian
for like other who, well I don't believe
00:39:18.532 --> 00:39:22.702
it is a star of David, does wear a
vaguely star of David shaped pendant,
00:39:23.314 --> 00:39:25.129
don't think, I didn't fucking clock that.
00:39:25.624 --> 00:39:30.184
Emily: Well, I think that, I
mean the, the pendant comes from
00:39:30.584 --> 00:39:36.665
like old European royalty, mainly
turn, turn to the century royalty.
00:39:36.672 --> 00:39:37.542
And it is a cross.
00:39:37.991 --> 00:39:40.451
It is a type of cross that he's wearing.
00:39:40.456 --> 00:39:42.155
It's just not a crucifix.
00:39:42.176 --> 00:39:43.226
That said,
00:39:43.461 --> 00:39:44.396
Ben: does that matter?
00:39:44.543 --> 00:39:47.783
Who fucking came up with
these fucking rules?
00:39:48.413 --> 00:39:52.493
I was hanging on by a thread about
the week to cross stuff, and now
00:39:52.493 --> 00:39:54.863
it's only certain kinds of crosses.
00:39:55.073 --> 00:39:55.193
Emily: I
00:39:55.208 --> 00:40:00.993
Jeremy: but really theoretically it
should have to be a sanctified item.
00:40:01.053 --> 00:40:06.016
Like the, you know, crucifixes are
blessed by the Catholic church, so
00:40:06.021 --> 00:40:10.396
like that makes sense in the same
way that Holy Water makes sense.
00:40:10.526 --> 00:40:11.156
But Hammer
00:40:11.156 --> 00:40:11.666
Dracula
00:40:12.151 --> 00:40:14.266
Ben: Oh, so is that why he
fucking went to England?
00:40:14.266 --> 00:40:17.426
Because Dracula doesn't recognize the
authority of the Church of England.
00:40:17.486 --> 00:40:18.356
Jeremy: mean, who does?
00:40:18.746 --> 00:40:19.076
Emily: Yeah.
00:40:19.093 --> 00:40:19.813
that's a good point,
00:40:20.683 --> 00:40:20.863
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:40:20.863 --> 00:40:24.424
A hammer really plays fast and loose with
it because they definitely have moments
00:40:24.429 --> 00:40:27.244
where somebody just grabs two pieces
of wood and make a cross out of it.
00:40:27.244 --> 00:40:28.634
And Jackie was like, oh.
00:40:29.194 --> 00:40:31.804
Ben: hammerhead fucking
nine movies to fill.
00:40:31.809 --> 00:40:34.174
They were just doing
whatever would kill runtime.
00:40:34.729 --> 00:40:38.609
Emily: I will say that back in the
day, especially in, the early 20th
00:40:38.609 --> 00:40:42.814
century , and before, different kinds
of crosses are very, very important.
00:40:42.912 --> 00:40:44.172
the different
00:40:45.077 --> 00:40:49.077
Ben: I, no, I, I'm calling
veto on treating the savior
00:40:49.077 --> 00:40:51.177
execution method like Pokemon.
00:40:52.062 --> 00:40:52.512
Emily: Sure.
00:40:52.617 --> 00:40:54.387
Ben: all, catch all the different crosses.
00:40:54.643 --> 00:40:55.583
Emily: No, no, no, no, no.
00:40:55.583 --> 00:41:01.263
But I, I do wanna, I, I do want to
come back around to the idea that
00:41:01.263 --> 00:41:03.447
he was wearing this kind of other
00:41:03.717 --> 00:41:04.017
Ben: Yes.
00:41:04.022 --> 00:41:07.147
Cuz it, no, that would be important
to know, like, cuz if that wasn't
00:41:07.627 --> 00:41:10.537
similar, like a little like, and
he's extra foreign, cause Jewish,
00:41:11.707 --> 00:41:11.947
Emily: Yeah.
00:41:12.007 --> 00:41:12.097
I
00:41:12.097 --> 00:41:12.637
mean, there's.
00:41:12.817 --> 00:41:14.917
Ben: yeah, that would be good context.
00:41:15.317 --> 00:41:15.672
Emily: Yes.
00:41:15.720 --> 00:41:22.949
But I believe that his, you know, he
would qualify as other the same way that a
00:41:22.949 --> 00:41:27.373
Jewish character would qualify as other in
a movie like this especially at this time.
00:41:27.773 --> 00:41:31.433
So I think that that's valid,
even though if he's not, he's not
00:41:31.433 --> 00:41:32.843
wearing legit a star of David.
00:41:32.843 --> 00:41:33.743
He is wearing a cross.
00:41:33.748 --> 00:41:37.913
But it is, you know, at this point,
it might as well be a star of David
00:41:38.303 --> 00:41:43.722
because it is so different from the
the prevailing form of Christianity
00:41:43.782 --> 00:41:45.012
that we're seeing this through.
00:41:45.088 --> 00:41:45.868
Ben: So there's that.
00:41:45.868 --> 00:41:52.718
And then there I do think, again, as
amazing as Martin is, it is a, and I I
00:41:52.718 --> 00:41:56.648
think this is a little bit of class in
everything you got with England or region.
00:41:57.128 --> 00:41:58.088
I don't fucking know.
00:41:58.418 --> 00:42:04.883
But again, it is a bit of a stereotypical
choice to have the one cockney character
00:42:04.883 --> 00:42:12.133
be this very like, slapstick comedy
figure who is kind of presented as like
00:42:12.133 --> 00:42:14.293
a little like as lower intelligence.
00:42:14.893 --> 00:42:17.993
Like sort, like I said, like, you
know, I think it's a deliberate
00:42:17.993 --> 00:42:20.903
choice that they use like a
cockney accent for this character.
00:42:20.903 --> 00:42:25.304
The way we might, you know, you might
see like a southern accent used in a lot
00:42:25.309 --> 00:42:30.408
of, stereotypically like low intelligence
characters your Cletus from Simpsons
00:42:30.733 --> 00:42:31.008
Emily: Yeah.
00:42:31.038 --> 00:42:32.628
Ben: that vein of character.
00:42:32.958 --> 00:42:33.408
Emily: Yeah.
00:42:33.490 --> 00:42:38.592
I wanna say that, I mean
the, Traven locals in Bram
00:42:38.597 --> 00:42:41.933
Ben: well, who doesn't love a classic
superstitious village full of peasants,
00:42:41.938 --> 00:42:46.043
which I guess I always just treat it
as something so hokey and throwback
00:42:46.043 --> 00:42:50.883
it, like it's not real enough to be
commented on, but I guess this is what
00:42:50.883 --> 00:42:53.223
parts of Hungary still were in 1931.
00:42:53.793 --> 00:42:56.577
Emily: I think it's, it's
definitely less cartoony.
00:42:56.607 --> 00:42:58.977
Ben: superstitions are a
hundred percent accurate.
00:42:59.169 --> 00:43:02.169
Emily: The people of the village
are a lot more developed.
00:43:02.169 --> 00:43:05.797
We see a um, a glimpse
into their lives, you know?
00:43:05.827 --> 00:43:06.187
Yeah.
00:43:06.192 --> 00:43:09.726
They have they kind of
read as superstitious and y
00:43:09.906 --> 00:43:12.336
Ben: So they're not just weird
grunting thieves who then throw
00:43:12.746 --> 00:43:15.276
merchants outta carriages for no
reason to start a hammer film.
00:43:15.456 --> 00:43:20.016
Emily: that's what I'm saying is Yes,
exactly like the, in this case, they
00:43:20.016 --> 00:43:22.266
are people in this movie, you know,
00:43:22.296 --> 00:43:22.776
Ben: Yes.
00:43:22.926 --> 00:43:24.366
Emily: they are Dracula's minions,
00:43:24.426 --> 00:43:24.576
you
00:43:24.581 --> 00:43:25.326
know, or,
00:43:25.356 --> 00:43:26.256
Ben: are fully fleshed.
00:43:26.466 --> 00:43:30.396
I'm not fully fleshed out, but they
are re human beings who are presented
00:43:30.396 --> 00:43:32.796
as human, like they are intelligent.
00:43:32.801 --> 00:43:36.456
Again, all of their wards
to drive off Dracula work.
00:43:36.856 --> 00:43:37.181
Emily: Yes.
00:43:37.581 --> 00:43:43.251
Now let's talk about another strange bit
of representation in this film, which
00:43:43.251 --> 00:43:46.037
is Dracula's menagerie of Creatures.
00:43:46.457 --> 00:43:48.137
We see bats on strings.
00:43:48.347 --> 00:43:54.687
We hear wolves, we see pipe cleaner
spiders, but the real creatures
00:43:54.747 --> 00:44:01.397
that star in this film are the
native fauna of apparently there's
00:44:01.627 --> 00:44:07.577
a very specific microclimate and
dracs castle where you have North
00:44:07.577 --> 00:44:10.547
American marsupials and armadillos.
00:44:10.677 --> 00:44:11.577
Ben: That was great.
00:44:11.582 --> 00:44:13.077
The Draculas armadillos.
00:44:13.227 --> 00:44:18.087
Why have Draculas armadillos never shown
up as a pa as enemies in a cast game?
00:44:18.327 --> 00:44:22.557
Emily: So, yeah, I mean, mainly because
armadillos and, and a possums which
00:44:22.562 --> 00:44:28.460
both appear are strictly animals, like,
00:44:28.490 --> 00:44:32.900
Ben: Implying that there's a whole
separate adventure where Dracula
00:44:32.900 --> 00:44:38.540
went to America and brought back
a few pet like armadillos and a
00:44:38.540 --> 00:44:41.030
possums to live in his castle.
00:44:41.439 --> 00:44:45.159
I wanna see Dracula and his
marsupial sidekick friend adventure
00:44:46.044 --> 00:44:48.389
I don't know, nighttime, Arizona.
00:44:49.083 --> 00:44:49.863
Emily: Near dark
00:44:50.263 --> 00:44:51.723
Ben: And yeah, that does describe.
00:44:52.123 --> 00:44:52.853
Emily: There you go.
00:44:52.887 --> 00:44:58.362
So I found, an article on medium
by a username tooth pickings where
00:44:58.362 --> 00:45:02.352
there's a little bit of research
done into the reason why perhaps
00:45:02.922 --> 00:45:04.766
armadillos appeared in this film.
00:45:04.766 --> 00:45:07.744
There's no mention of the possum which
I think they just want us to think
00:45:07.749 --> 00:45:11.284
is a big rad, which is, you know what
a lot of people think possums are at
00:45:11.284 --> 00:45:14.434
the be, you know, if they've never
seen a possum before, very different,
00:45:14.439 --> 00:45:16.712
very important parts of our ecosystem.
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.279
Like they eat ticks and
they don't carry disease.
00:45:19.279 --> 00:45:21.362
Jeremy: I appreciated in
watching the Spanish Dracula is
00:45:21.362 --> 00:45:22.502
there's completely different.
00:45:22.922 --> 00:45:23.958
Of the animals.
00:45:23.958 --> 00:45:28.968
They're all still represented there,
but the possum in, in Spanish, Dracula
00:45:28.968 --> 00:45:33.378
is walking across the surface and
totally fucking wipes out in the image.
00:45:33.378 --> 00:45:37.008
The possum is just walking along and
just tanks off the side of this wall.
00:45:37.298 --> 00:45:38.108
Emily: Oh no.
00:45:38.418 --> 00:45:40.098
Jeremy: I was like, that's
an interesting take to keep.
00:45:40.568 --> 00:45:40.845
Emily: Yeah.
00:45:40.847 --> 00:45:42.407
I hope he was just playing.
00:45:42.468 --> 00:45:49.263
So this is, a lot of, this is speculation
from what I can tell, but one of the
00:45:49.268 --> 00:45:54.611
explanations that does kind of have says
carry some weight is that armadillos,
00:45:54.651 --> 00:45:58.930
especially in the American Southwest
where they are known are the only other
00:45:58.930 --> 00:46:01.420
animal than humans that carry leprosy.
00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:07.890
And so they are associated with
plague, much like rats and bats.
00:46:08.290 --> 00:46:12.765
So, There was, there's a theory that
because they had armadillos and because
00:46:12.765 --> 00:46:16.968
that they, they also carry disease,
that they are some sort of they're,
00:46:16.968 --> 00:46:21.528
they're another form of disease carrying
creature that also they, they also
00:46:22.218 --> 00:46:25.524
frequent graveyards because they like,
and they're nocturnal because they
00:46:25.524 --> 00:46:27.894
like to, you know, eat grubs and stuff.
00:46:28.494 --> 00:46:33.757
And anywhere where there's a lot of
fertile soil or, or you know, tilled soil,
00:46:34.117 --> 00:46:35.207
Jeremy: Yeah, they, they.
00:46:36.107 --> 00:46:39.182
they dig and they were
associated with, with graveyards.
00:46:39.182 --> 00:46:43.028
And I know like at one point it
was thought that they, you know,
00:46:43.033 --> 00:46:45.668
dug into graves and ate cadavers,
which is obviously not true
00:46:45.668 --> 00:46:46.328
- knowing armadillos as we do now..
00:46:46.464 --> 00:46:46.974
Ben: Oh, dang.
00:46:48.214 --> 00:46:51.804
Well, I'm, I'm glad this movie did not
use real cadavers, probably for the.
00:46:51.834 --> 00:46:52.324
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:46:52.399 --> 00:46:56.179
Emily: And, you know, vampires and
disease, especially like the S T D.
00:46:56.779 --> 00:46:59.269
Conversation that Mina had with Jonathan.
00:46:59.336 --> 00:47:03.979
the disease theme is there for sure,
but I thought it was interesting.
00:47:03.984 --> 00:47:08.439
I also think it was because they're in
Hollywood and they have, armadillos around
00:47:08.506 --> 00:47:13.444
. But yeah, Jonathan, speaking of Jonathan-
after Mina gets attacked by Dracula, she
00:47:13.444 --> 00:47:16.724
is talking about her symptoms and I guess.
00:47:17.954 --> 00:47:22.021
Courtesy, she has the scarf around
her neck to hide her puncture
00:47:22.026 --> 00:47:23.311
wounds, which we never really see.
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.430
And she's talking about all of her
symptoms of, you know, waking up
00:47:28.430 --> 00:47:30.110
feeling anemic and things like that.
00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:33.870
And Jonathan says, why don't
we talk about something nicer?
00:47:34.020 --> 00:47:36.030
Why don't we think about
something more charming?
00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:36.980
Ben: Fucking
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:37.500
Jonathan
00:47:37.620 --> 00:47:38.190
Emily: Yeah.
00:47:38.650 --> 00:47:39.140
Ben: John.
00:47:39.210 --> 00:47:39.270
Ugh.
00:47:39.670 --> 00:47:41.290
Oh, I hate Jonathan in this movie.
00:47:41.690 --> 00:47:42.170
Emily: Yeah.
00:47:42.230 --> 00:47:42.530
And,
00:47:42.795 --> 00:47:48.145
and his like utter shock that
she has anything to say that
00:47:48.150 --> 00:47:50.515
is interesting or individual
00:47:51.050 --> 00:47:53.080
Jeremy: Like it's this, this movie.
00:47:54.025 --> 00:47:57.925
So different from Bram Stoker's
original it's not at all
00:47:57.925 --> 00:48:00.705
full of potential gay icons.
00:48:00.745 --> 00:48:01.525
It doesn't have,
00:48:02.505 --> 00:48:02.855
Ben: No,
00:48:03.378 --> 00:48:05.558
Not a sexy cowboy in the land.
00:48:06.058 --> 00:48:07.229
Our fucking Richard E.
00:48:07.229 --> 00:48:08.814
Grant doctor became Dr.
00:48:08.819 --> 00:48:10.804
Dad and not even a hot dad.
00:48:10.864 --> 00:48:13.034
Just a boring British dad.
00:48:13.424 --> 00:48:16.754
Jeremy: yeah, I do wonder how much of
that is a result of it being adapted
00:48:17.114 --> 00:48:22.394
from a play, cuz like, if you're doing
this as a play, I mean, having a a full
00:48:22.424 --> 00:48:26.174
on cowboy in a play, I think doesn't,
doesn't quite play play as well.
00:48:26.564 --> 00:48:27.014
Um,
00:48:27.164 --> 00:48:27.444
Ben: Disagree.
00:48:27.844 --> 00:48:29.704
Jeremy: have him on
stage writing a cowboy.
00:48:29.869 --> 00:48:31.039
Ben: of the play,
00:48:31.439 --> 00:48:31.799
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:48:32.324 --> 00:48:35.204
Ben: there should be layman,
should have just had fucking a
00:48:35.204 --> 00:48:37.854
cowboy swinging with a knife also.
00:48:37.914 --> 00:48:38.964
How great is it?
00:48:38.964 --> 00:48:44.254
Just like instead of like, again, points
for Bram stokers Dracula, where instead of
00:48:44.254 --> 00:48:51.964
just being staked off screen, we just get
like a, like so many shots of Dracula just
00:48:51.964 --> 00:48:55.564
getting fucking knife, the fucking pieces.
00:48:55.964 --> 00:48:59.264
They spend so much time showing
Dracula getting stabbed and slashed.
00:48:59.264 --> 00:49:00.714
At the end of that, they
00:49:00.724 --> 00:49:01.014
Emily: I mean,
00:49:01.014 --> 00:49:01.374
Ben: him up.
00:49:01.374 --> 00:49:01.464
Good.
00:49:01.864 --> 00:49:07.104
Emily: Nosferatu also had a lot
more, like Nosferatu was more
00:49:07.318 --> 00:49:07.781
Jeremy: German
00:49:07.916 --> 00:49:08.366
Emily: heavy,
00:49:08.721 --> 00:49:09.321
really
00:49:09.396 --> 00:49:09.996
Jeremy: violent.
00:49:10.581 --> 00:49:11.091
Emily: violent.
00:49:11.491 --> 00:49:16.691
It, there was a lot more monster
man sucking on next that movie.
00:49:16.957 --> 00:49:20.227
yeah, Ben, you're right that, you know,
they could have gotten a lot more.
00:49:20.427 --> 00:49:21.897
Running out of vocabulary.
00:49:21.897 --> 00:49:24.117
Just gonna say, uh, neck sucky.
00:49:24.409 --> 00:49:27.199
Ben: I mean, I'm always the
one here who advocates for more
00:49:27.259 --> 00:49:29.149
gore and blood and violence.
00:49:29.374 --> 00:49:32.594
Emily: I mean, that's, that's valid,
but you know, they could have done
00:49:32.714 --> 00:49:34.484
like actual neck sucking in this
00:49:34.499 --> 00:49:36.523
Ben: bill Lagosi doesn't get to suck neck.
00:49:36.808 --> 00:49:37.298
Emily: yeah.
00:49:37.453 --> 00:49:38.743
Ben: Lagosi suck neck.
00:49:39.143 --> 00:49:43.018
Jeremy: every time we see, the closest we
get is we see him close his cape around
00:49:43.048 --> 00:49:47.648
people which is, you know, iconic in its
own right, but not, not particularly sexy.
00:49:47.653 --> 00:49:50.858
This is a pretty unsexy Dracula overall.
00:49:50.883 --> 00:49:54.931
Especially, you know, after seeing
. The bra, Stoker's Dracula version.
00:49:55.131 --> 00:49:58.581
it, yeah, it's, it's, it's
not particularly sexy.
00:49:58.581 --> 00:50:01.191
It's less queer, it's less feminist.
00:50:01.534 --> 00:50:01.934
Ben: No matter
00:50:01.934 --> 00:50:05.234
how much I try to monkey wrench,
van Haling, Dracula into something.
00:50:05.634 --> 00:50:05.874
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:50:05.874 --> 00:50:10.104
I mean, and you know, Mina has
very little of a personality
00:50:10.509 --> 00:50:15.969
Ben: I mean, are, are you saying it's not
sexy that like a solid 15% of the movie
00:50:15.969 --> 00:50:19.599
is just extreme closeups on Bela Lagosi
looking like he's trying not to fart.
00:50:19.999 --> 00:50:22.009
Emily: I thought he was sexy.
00:50:22.099 --> 00:50:23.599
I thought his looks.
00:50:23.842 --> 00:50:28.276
The look that he gave Mina as
he approached her, like coming
00:50:28.276 --> 00:50:33.136
into the camera seemed a bit
like sad, which is weird.
00:50:33.316 --> 00:50:35.116
Ben: Have we gotten a true sad boy?
00:50:35.176 --> 00:50:37.393
Well, I guess yeah, Gary
Oldman is the sad boy.
00:50:37.393 --> 00:50:38.113
Dracula.
00:50:38.458 --> 00:50:39.138
Jeremy: absolutely.
00:50:39.253 --> 00:50:39.743
Emily: yeah.
00:50:40.143 --> 00:50:42.723
Jeremy: I like the shadowed
face with the highlighted eyes.
00:50:42.993 --> 00:50:43.923
I don't like that.
00:50:43.923 --> 00:50:47.703
Clearly somebody shining a light in
his eyes from offstage, you know,
00:50:47.703 --> 00:50:50.686
look as much of them trying to make
it look like his eyes are glowing.
00:50:51.466 --> 00:50:51.826
Um,
00:50:52.226 --> 00:50:56.306
Ben: That's some real 1931 being
like, we don't know how to do this,
00:50:56.306 --> 00:50:58.346
but we're gonna just try something.
00:50:58.831 --> 00:51:02.501
Jeremy: yeah, the, the only thing I
think that this movie did better as
00:51:02.501 --> 00:51:06.701
far as the progressive politics side is
class like Graham Stokers Dracula could
00:51:06.701 --> 00:51:08.891
give a flying fuck about poor people.
00:51:09.626 --> 00:51:14.306
Ben: I do like that, like
Renfield plays more of a plot.
00:51:14.706 --> 00:51:15.156
Emily: Yes.
00:51:15.156 --> 00:51:16.206
I, I like this.
00:51:16.266 --> 00:51:18.996
I feel like this movie is
a lot more about Renfield.
00:51:19.131 --> 00:51:19.941
Ben: Yeah.
00:51:19.971 --> 00:51:23.841
Like it's not just Tom White showing up
every now and then to eat some worms.
00:51:23.896 --> 00:51:26.026
Emily: I mean, Tom, Tom, Waitz is a pretty
00:51:26.026 --> 00:51:26.476
fucking
00:51:26.751 --> 00:51:27.411
Ben: not that.
00:51:27.861 --> 00:51:28.041
Yeah.
00:51:28.041 --> 00:51:29.811
Not that I don't fucking love that.
00:51:29.996 --> 00:51:30.426
Emily: Oh yeah.
00:51:30.506 --> 00:51:31.161
Ben: I did.
00:51:31.986 --> 00:51:33.696
Jeremy: doesn't ever leave
London in this movie.
00:51:34.041 --> 00:51:34.461
Ben: yeah,
00:51:34.741 --> 00:51:35.231
like,
00:51:35.441 --> 00:51:36.336
Emily: it's all renfield.
00:51:36.396 --> 00:51:38.166
Renfield going, Renfield coming back.
00:51:38.566 --> 00:51:41.509
Ben: you know, like I really like
when he's introduced back in the
00:51:41.509 --> 00:51:45.399
asylum like, and he is saying like,
no one would want to eat flies.
00:51:45.636 --> 00:51:51.726
And Martin's being like, you do like
not if I can get a fat, juicy spider.
00:51:51.926 --> 00:51:56.036
these two, like are ready
for a Three Stooges routine.
00:51:56.436 --> 00:51:57.336
Emily: I mean, yeah.
00:51:57.486 --> 00:52:01.926
But that scene where he talks about
Dracula bringing him the army of rats,
00:52:01.931 --> 00:52:02.386
Ben: Oh, great.
00:52:02.666 --> 00:52:04.646
Emily: he really like painted
00:52:04.646 --> 00:52:05.366
the wall with
00:52:05.661 --> 00:52:09.726
Ben: Also, I like how this establishes
Dracula's Mist Cloud is red and
00:52:09.726 --> 00:52:11.766
not green which I think is way
00:52:12.236 --> 00:52:12.836
Emily: I mean, yeah.
00:52:12.836 --> 00:52:16.506
It feels like a, it looks
like a, a blood mist almost.
00:52:16.506 --> 00:52:16.836
But
00:52:17.196 --> 00:52:19.176
Ben: blood mist is better
than the stink cloud
00:52:19.538 --> 00:52:20.152
Jeremy: Alright.
00:52:20.227 --> 00:52:23.587
Do, do we think there's movies
we're seeing guys, do we
00:52:23.587 --> 00:52:24.707
recommend people check it out?
00:52:25.207 --> 00:52:25.777
Emily: yeah,
00:52:26.177 --> 00:52:31.767
Ben: I if you were like, again, like
it has great historical context.
00:52:31.767 --> 00:52:35.427
If you're like feeling yourself as a
film buff and you wanna like really
00:52:35.877 --> 00:52:39.957
see how things developed and started
and evolved, like, it's definitely,
00:52:40.437 --> 00:52:46.047
it's super, super fucking essential,
like for the history of film.
00:52:46.447 --> 00:52:48.967
But honestly, like if you're just
looking for, if you're looking for
00:52:48.967 --> 00:52:52.627
like a fun horror movie to like put
on on a Saturday, there's a, there's
00:52:52.632 --> 00:52:54.157
better Dracula movies out there.
00:52:54.497 --> 00:52:57.057
Emily: It's not a fun Dracula movie.
00:52:57.062 --> 00:53:00.415
It is a it's downbeat, it's, it.
00:53:00.815 --> 00:53:03.030
atmospheric, and that's
what we have going for it.
00:53:03.035 --> 00:53:03.270
And
00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:03.675
Jeremy: it's,
00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:06.150
Emily: it's very important
to see Bela Lagosi in action.
00:53:06.465 --> 00:53:09.555
Jeremy: it's much better to look
at than it is to watch, honestly.
00:53:09.560 --> 00:53:13.767
Like it's, it's, you know, it has
some good shots and some very,
00:53:13.767 --> 00:53:15.567
I, like we said, iconic stuff.
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.609
It is, you know, shorter than
an episode of Stranger Things.
00:53:18.609 --> 00:53:22.879
So like, you know, you can just
chuck it in and, and watch it and
00:53:22.879 --> 00:53:24.294
just a little more than an hour.
00:53:24.294 --> 00:53:27.117
I would definitely
recommend Spanish Dracula.
00:53:27.177 --> 00:53:28.287
It's kind of wild.
00:53:28.322 --> 00:53:32.380
It's , you casually mention that they
just had to, they just had to kill
00:53:32.380 --> 00:53:37.619
a lady who was turned into a vampire
between scenes at one point and it's,
00:53:37.709 --> 00:53:41.202
yeah, I actually think I actually think
the Spanish version is a little better.
00:53:41.308 --> 00:53:46.838
Carlos Viez, who plays Spanish
Dracula is extremely expressive.
00:53:46.862 --> 00:53:47.662
Emily: He looks great.
00:53:47.912 --> 00:53:50.009
Jeremy: Give some big eyes.
00:53:50.012 --> 00:53:54.918
They also do the shot of his of him
examining people a lot different.
00:53:54.923 --> 00:53:57.211
I'm gonna send you guys an image
of what it looks like when you
00:53:57.216 --> 00:54:01.217
get glamored by Spanish Dracula as
compared to English speaking Dracula
00:54:01.767 --> 00:54:06.652
Emily: we should, we should definitely
post these images when we post the
00:54:06.652 --> 00:54:11.366
episode because I think you know, our
listeners deserve to see this incredible
00:54:11.836 --> 00:54:13.366
glimpse into our Dracula.
00:54:13.766 --> 00:54:13.976
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:54:13.976 --> 00:54:14.246
This
00:54:14.246 --> 00:54:17.075
Emily: Spanish Ava Or Spanish Mina.
00:54:17.475 --> 00:54:18.195
Ben: Spanish mean it.
00:54:18.195 --> 00:54:18.765
Got it going.
00:54:19.935 --> 00:54:20.235
Emily: Oh, wow.
00:54:20.265 --> 00:54:20.715
Yeah.
00:54:21.115 --> 00:54:22.777
Jeremy: yeah, she's unsurprising.
00:54:22.777 --> 00:54:28.101
Spanish Dracula is just as a
movie is much hotter than Dracula
00:54:28.821 --> 00:54:29.511
Emily: I'd fucking hope so.
00:54:29.911 --> 00:54:32.550
But so would that be your
movie that you would recommend,
00:54:32.640 --> 00:54:32.730
I
00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:33.240
mean, you've already
00:54:33.240 --> 00:54:33.600
Jeremy: I,
00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:36.060
Emily: but it, it's one of
your recommendations for
00:54:36.460 --> 00:54:37.150
Jeremy: I think,
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:37.600
Emily: under Dracula.
00:54:38.200 --> 00:54:42.542
Jeremy: I think that that's worth checking
out is like, just, just for the the
00:54:42.542 --> 00:54:46.622
strange trivia of it, if nothing else, but
also because I think it's actually better.
00:54:46.623 --> 00:54:52.095
And I, I, if you find the right, you
know, D V D or whatever, you can probably
00:54:52.100 --> 00:54:53.335
watch it right there with that one.
00:54:53.335 --> 00:54:55.051
But has a little interview.
00:54:55.081 --> 00:54:57.965
The version I watched has a little
interview with Lupita Tovar who played
00:54:58.475 --> 00:55:03.995
Ava about like them coming in at
nights and filming on the same sets.
00:55:03.995 --> 00:55:07.658
And you can see there are a couple
of places where like, they must have
00:55:07.658 --> 00:55:09.908
filmed after the American crew because.
00:55:10.688 --> 00:55:14.378
Spanish Van Helsing does
not destroy the coffin lid.
00:55:14.378 --> 00:55:15.758
It just doesn't have a lid.
00:55:15.758 --> 00:55:19.148
And then he picks a piece of it from
behind the coffin to stab Dracula.
00:55:19.658 --> 00:55:23.498
Um, I was like, oh, they
were only paying for
00:55:23.543 --> 00:55:23.873
Ben: Yep.
00:55:23.978 --> 00:55:24.488
Jeremy: coffin.
00:55:24.518 --> 00:55:25.148
Okay.
00:55:25.548 --> 00:55:26.088
Ben: Oh man.
00:55:26.088 --> 00:55:27.648
He, he couldn't afford the three.
00:55:28.233 --> 00:55:28.623
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:55:28.953 --> 00:55:29.521
Emily: a less.
00:55:29.571 --> 00:55:31.117
Jeremy: Yeah, I think
that's worth checking out.
00:55:31.135 --> 00:55:33.131
Ben, what recommendations
do you have for this one?
00:55:33.145 --> 00:55:34.975
Ben: I'm gonna recommend the bear.
00:55:35.605 --> 00:55:41.165
It has absolutely nothing to do with
Dracula or horror, but it's real good.
00:55:41.165 --> 00:55:43.385
And if you haven't seen it
yet, you definitely should.
00:55:44.560 --> 00:55:46.715
I, I drew a fucking blank
on this one this week.
00:55:46.715 --> 00:55:47.585
I'm sorry y'all.
00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:48.420
Jeremy: It's fine.
00:55:48.425 --> 00:55:48.540
Uh,
00:55:49.290 --> 00:55:49.980
Emily: Yeah, no.
00:55:50.380 --> 00:55:53.920
Jeremy: I'm sure, I'm sure Dracula
likes a good chopped steak sandwich.
00:55:55.250 --> 00:55:55.880
Emily: I, I would,
00:55:56.495 --> 00:56:00.245
Ben: Does Aju sauce clo, is that
close enough to blood for Dracula?
00:56:00.410 --> 00:56:00.560
Emily: I
00:56:00.560 --> 00:56:01.430
think it should be,
00:56:02.060 --> 00:56:02.910
Jeremy: Oh, as you?
00:56:02.977 --> 00:56:07.564
Emily: I never, Ooh, that can be
translated the delivery of that
00:56:08.688 --> 00:56:09.498
It's a bit rough.
00:56:09.993 --> 00:56:12.033
Ben: I like, I liked it.
00:56:12.978 --> 00:56:13.348
Emily: I mean,
00:56:13.348 --> 00:56:15.411
Be sad if Dracula could never drink a.
00:56:15.811 --> 00:56:17.761
Ben: That's definitely the wor
that I keep coming back to.
00:56:17.766 --> 00:56:21.881
Like I keep coming back to, I'm like, I
think I could be okay not seeing the sun.
00:56:22.391 --> 00:56:25.451
I feel like not getting to eat food
again, like only being stuck to blood,
00:56:25.451 --> 00:56:28.961
like unless they're no blood was fucking
amazing or had a whole bunch of different
00:56:28.961 --> 00:56:31.521
varieties like, oh, I'd be really missing.
00:56:31.521 --> 00:56:32.481
Just like, you know, like
00:56:33.344 --> 00:56:33.824
Oreos.
00:56:34.209 --> 00:56:36.039
Jeremy: So you'd be cool being RA though.
00:56:36.378 --> 00:56:37.728
Ben: Oh yeah, definitely.
00:56:38.566 --> 00:56:40.606
Ralph can even go out during the day.
00:56:40.726 --> 00:56:44.476
There is no downsides to being
a vampire in the Roula universe.
00:56:44.521 --> 00:56:44.731
Jeremy: Yeah,
00:56:44.731 --> 00:56:46.621
it's just Ralph's life in particular.
00:56:46.626 --> 00:56:47.461
That sucks.
00:56:47.566 --> 00:56:47.926
Ben: Yeah.
00:56:48.346 --> 00:56:50.206
Which has nothing to do
with being a vampire.
00:56:50.206 --> 00:56:52.006
It's just because he is Ralph.
00:56:52.281 --> 00:56:53.091
Emily: to do with being Ralph.
00:56:53.271 --> 00:56:53.841
Jeremy: It's because this
00:56:53.841 --> 00:56:54.681
hot mom keeps
00:56:54.681 --> 00:56:55.512
arranging for his
00:56:55.766 --> 00:56:56.576
Ben: Yeah, you could be.
00:56:56.576 --> 00:57:00.926
You could be the hot mom and your
life is amazing and apparently
00:57:00.926 --> 00:57:03.116
has been for hundreds of years.
00:57:03.366 --> 00:57:06.846
Emily: I mean, especially if you're a
Dracula mom and you're not actually like
00:57:06.846 --> 00:57:09.486
giving birth to the, to your Dracula son.
00:57:09.546 --> 00:57:13.741
You just like find some kid and
you're like, you're my son now.
00:57:14.101 --> 00:57:16.921
Like interview with a
vampire, but not creepy.
00:57:17.321 --> 00:57:17.591
Hmm.
00:57:17.991 --> 00:57:18.261
that's
00:57:18.351 --> 00:57:19.341
that's a bit challenging.
00:57:19.341 --> 00:57:20.065
But anyway,
00:57:20.243 --> 00:57:22.463
Jeremy: Emily, what,
what's your recommendation?
00:57:22.512 --> 00:57:26.025
Emily: No tu uh, definitely
the, the silent version.
00:57:26.099 --> 00:57:27.269
The Verna Herzog version.
00:57:27.299 --> 00:57:29.369
Hopefully we'll get to it, is
kind of interesting as well.
00:57:29.369 --> 00:57:34.370
But what I really wanna recommend now that
you've mentioned the Dracula in Spanish
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:38.443
is the series those spooks, which is a
00:57:38.503 --> 00:57:39.763
Ben: I've been, very much meaning to see.
00:57:40.853 --> 00:57:41.876
Emily: very fun.
00:57:41.876 --> 00:57:47.138
Lauren Michaels produced show almost
all if not all in Spanish about a
00:57:47.138 --> 00:57:53.288
Mexican family and the mostly this
one guy that just really likes to make
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special effects and and his friends.
00:57:56.033 --> 00:58:00.633
So it's, it's about several families
actually, and it's very goofy.
00:58:00.746 --> 00:58:05.245
And Matt, yeah, you have some good down
to earth character work and then you
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have some people talking to like DY and
getting trapped in mirrors and shit.
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So it's it's all over the
place and it's, it's very good.
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It's very funny.
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I love it.
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10 outta 10.
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And that's on H b o Max.
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I don't know where else you can see it,
but I've seen a bunch of episodes and it.
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So
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Jeremy: Nice.
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Emily: spooky
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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Lot of spooks.
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That's, that's definitely one
that's on my list to check out.
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I think it's on FX originally.
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but yeah, it's on easily
accessible on, on h hp max.
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