Creating Without Limits ft David Givens

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Oh, it was hot.
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Am I the only person that like I feel a little overwhelmed?
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It's like it's full.
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I feel full.
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Like, I'm not gonna cry right now.
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Waking up every morning, TV on beach for the MP.
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I'm like, you girls, they don't understand Britney.
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Like, I felt like I said, you know what?
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She's good.
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Cause if I did all this for men, you'd be crying.
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I really felt safe.
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Ooh, I felt safe.
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What's up?
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It's Chris Kalen.
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Welcome back to another episode of The Princess Diaries.
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I'm really excited about this one because I've just, I feel like I've watched this person like grow from the outside looking in, and they already came as a pre-packaged artist to me.
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But anyway, joining me today is David Gibbons, an independent pop EDM artist, vocalist, and creative director from South Carolina, whose music blends emotional storytelling with electronic house, synthpop, and festival-inspired sounds to create a truly immersive experience, fresh off of earning his master's degree in speech mythology and audiology from Vivian South Carolina State University.
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David is simultaneously building an exciting independent music career with his new single Ghost, giving listeners a deeper look into the creative world he's building through music, visuals, and storytelling.
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And I'm very excited to hear about this journey.
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And welcome to the Princess Sweet David.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm excited to be here.
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I am so excited to be here.
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First of all, congratulations on receiving your master's from the South Carolina State University.
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Go Bull Dogs.
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Yes, let's go dog.
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Like you, like I said, when I first met you, I it was like a music listening, whatever it was.
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But when I tell y'all, David came, like he had, it was like this media kit, but it was like a digital, like a 3D, this was before 3D printers were a thing.
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And it was so neat.
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And that's something that always stood out to me about you.
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So like from there to now, I'm just, I just want to say congratulations on everything that you're doing in your growth.
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Thank you so much.
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I appreciate it.
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Yeah.
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So, like, first of all, how are you feeling?
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Like, just like you actually, so at off-camera, he pre-interviewed me.
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So let me do my job.
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How are you feeling today?
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I'm I'm excited.
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I if I can tell you the song that's playing my head is This Is a Dream Made of.
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I wish I could bust up in a song like that.
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I just don't sound like that when I do do that.
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Listen, I've always wanted to sit down with you because I love your spirit.
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I love how you are very in-depth with everything you're doing.
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And I know we talked about, you know, checking with you because I know there's a lot of things when we are so successful at what we do, we kind of don't ask the successful people how you're doing.
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Yeah.
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Is everything okay?
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Is is your heart okay?
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Is your mind okay?
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You know, so I just wanted to like level up on you a little bit.
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No, and I appreciate that.
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Like, y'all don't understand how much I really enjoy that, but thank you.
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So, like, you just received your master's.
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So, what's that like?
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How are you feeling sitting in that?
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And you just got a new j a job today.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you.
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That is amazing.
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So, how are you feeling in that?
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I'm blessed.
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Yes, because it was a long time coming.
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Um during that journey, there was a lot of obstacles, not just with the work code, but also with people.
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Right.
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People who underestimated me and said that I would never be.
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Um, I even took some time off during that time to like refocus my own myself.
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And coming out of it with a degree, it was like I can't tell you the amount the amount of tears I cried the night before graduation.
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I was I I got up at like three o'clock that morning and I was just like just giving God praise.
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Like, thank you for getting me to this point.
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And so yeah.
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And you know what?
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And with you graduating from South Carolina, say I'm glad that as a graduate you were still able to have that moment because I do feel like Lieutenant Governor Pamela Evit tried to like overshadow that, and the thing that bothered me, not only being an alum, but realizing, like you said, the experience that you just shared, like that should not be overshadowed by someone with a political agenda.
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Exactly.
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And I honestly felt very disgusted as someone who was going to represent our entire state would call our future South Carolina leaders from our illustrious university a woke mob.
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I I don't understand it.
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If you're gonna be a governor, you represent all of us black, white, Latino, Asian, gay, straight, whatever.
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You represent each and every one of us in this state.
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And for you to say that about a group of young people who will represent us in the future, yeah, you can have it.
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Yeah, absolutely not.
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And then she doubled down, made a commercial about it.
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But you know what?
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She lost.
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God don't like ugly.
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But yeah, so you wear so many hats from artists, vocalists, creative directors, speech pathologists, and y'all, an audiologist.
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And um, what do you feel like what version of David wakes up in the morning first?
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The human.
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The human wakes up first, and then the next person comes up as the artist.
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Right.
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Um, I say human because that's the person I need to check in with first.
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I need to check in with my human side.
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Make sure that I'm good, make sure I'm okay, make sure I stay prayed up before I walk up my dome.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And uh one more time.
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So the human wakes up first, and then the artist, because without the humanity, you can't create the art.
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Absolutely.
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So, what can you finish your sentence?
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People think they know me, but they have no idea that I am more than me see.
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There are so many sides of me that people don't know, and I don't share that with a lot of people because I always have this because again, this comes out to the human side.
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I have this innate fear that maybe I'm too much, or maybe people don't understand me or won't understand me, or they'll judge me, which is a normal human thing, y'all.
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That's just that's normal.
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But the more I gravitate to someone who I can sense like their spirit is good, or I can see their light, yeah, then the more I reveal about me.
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And I'm pretty crazy, pretty nerdy.
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I'm I'm I'm loud when I when it's time for me to be loud, but also I'm very quiet, especially like when I'm home.
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I'm like, I'm gonna sit in a room, just be like, I'm just gonna draw a picture or something.
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The introverted extrovert.
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Right.
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And like I was literally looking at a TikTok something, and the lady was just like, you know, most people who are like made to be successful, and it were just characteristics, and it was so funny you said that, and I feel the same way too, is like the introverted extrovert.
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When I'm out, I have no problem being like a social butterfly.
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But like when I am in my space, like I tell people all the time, like I talk for a living.
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I like to be quiet in my house.
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Like, exactly.
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I got a dog, he don't talk, okay?
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So, no, that's something I definitely enjoy.
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So, how has studying speech pathol speech pathology and audiology made you think different about your own voice and you as an artist?
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If it did, um, it made me realize that singers, we are more susceptible to a lot of things.
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I'm not gonna go into technicalities of what that is.
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Um, you guys can do your own research on that.
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Hello.
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Um, but it really forced me to really start taking care of my voice, taking care of my health.
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Um, one thing I did after graduation, like immediately, I went to the doctor.
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I went to the doctor, I got me a therapist.
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That those two things are so important.
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I literally had a guest, uh, Blue Flame James.
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I think he said like on his 30th birthday, went to the doctor.
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Finally, he had brain tumors.
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Whoa.
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At 30.
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So I'm so happy.
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Like, you're the second guest black man I had come up who was like, go advocating.
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Please go to the doctor, check out more yourself.
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Go ahead.
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Please, like, your health is so important.
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Like, I know that during my time in grad school, like, I let a lot of things last.
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I used to go to the gym like regularly, especially when I was working, when I was working like full time.
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But once I started going to grad school and it was like traveling back and forth late nights, studying, doing clin doing clinic, doing the music, even going on, doing shows, doing tours, it was like, oh, I'm thinking a lot of things like just fall to the wayside.
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Right.
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So as soon as graduation was over, I said, um, hello, I need a a meeting for my therapist.
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I need to go with the doctor.
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Um, I already signed up for the gym.
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I was like, we're gonna get together.
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But you you took the initiative, and that's the thing.
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It's like, okay, like checking in, I need to do this and let me do this.
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So, with you know, just getting your master's, and you told me you just got off of tour.
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So, how are you balancing all of this?
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Because I thought I'm busy.
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You you vown up to me.
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Listen, I started tour the day after graduation.
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Are you serious?
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Yes, so we had a show.
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So, what tour was what tour were you on?
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Well, it was mine.
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Oh! It was mine.
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I did I decided like you know what?
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You headlined your own tour.
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I did my own tour, y'all.
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That's awesome.
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What's that say?
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Make some noise.
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What the fuck?
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Woo!
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I did my own tour.
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I've I've always wanted to go on tour and meet people and perform.
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And tour looks different for everybody, right?
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Um, it is a mental thing and it is also a financial thing.
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Yeah.
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So luckily enough, you know, my tour is very small.
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We started in um I forgot where we started.
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We started in Charleston first, and then we went all the way down to Atlanta, Miami.
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We went to um Columbia for a little bit.
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And it was fun, but I know that it was exhausting.
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Yeah.
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People always say that.
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It's exhausting.
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But you know what made it better was like I got to meet people and I got to interact with them and touch them and say and hear them say, you know, the music's great, it touched their lives.
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I said, if I can save one life with my music, I'm good.
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Yeah.
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And that's just the beauty of it.
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It's like social media, I love social media likes and everything, but when you can actually like meet people and they're like, I follow you, I like your music.
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It this is it just it just feels different.
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It does to know that you can actually bring people out and like put butts in seats.
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It it really does.
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And I'm just like, I surprised myself, like, oh, people came out to see me.
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Right.
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I was like, okay.
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Like, am I the only person that's like I feel a little overwhelmed?
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It's like it's full, I feel full.
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It's like, I'm not gonna cry right now.
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I I've had those moments, I've had them.
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Like, this is beautiful.
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So, South Carolina, like I feel like we're just and I don't want to say we're just popping on a music scene because when you think about gospel music in South Carolina, it's been a thing.
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But then, like, as far as rap is concerned, we have three artists from the Carolinas who made double XL.
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So I I don't want to say like we're just pop popping.
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But with South Carolina, we're not really known for the pop or EDM artists.
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So, like, what made you want to like swing that midway and like make a career in that?
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Because I will say you're very good at it.
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But it's just, you know, it's out of the normal.
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You're a black man in South Carolina.
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So listen, um when I first started, I actually did start an RB.
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Okay.
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When I first started, but then it just didn't feel comfortable.
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Right.
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Um, I took a break after that first single trying RB.
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And I said, if I was gonna do this again, I was gonna do what I grew up on.
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I grew up on mostly pop.
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I grew up on like the Britney's and the InSync's and the 98 Degrees.
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I grew up on EDM legends like Zed and DJ Sammy and um Cascada.
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Every time we touch, I get this feeling.
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And every time, that was my that was my jam.
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Like listen, wigging up every morning, TV on VH1 and MTV.
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I'm like, the new girls, they don't understand Britney.
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Like, I tell them, like, I was like, y'all had to be there for that hit me baby one more time, like that black skirt.
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Y'all don't, y'all see Britney now, and I know like things that have happened now with her mental health, but it peaked Britney spirits in Christina Argent Leverett, like the girl, these girls now like Tyler, you cute.
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But like Britney was giving us folk choreography, vocals, backflips, all at the same time.
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Like visuals, I mean, I don't understand when people disrespect Beyonce.
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It's like, do y'all didn't no one is giving that no one is giving that energy that they don't understand.
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That people they don't get it.
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But I sorry, I didn't want to cut you back.
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No, you're good.
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I just got so emotional when you started talking about bricks.
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Listen, we're here, we're here, we're here.
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But to be from someone from South Carolina who understands that there is a space for us.
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Yeah, I feel like there's a space for everyone, everyone here in South Carolina.
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One of the things why I did this kind of sound is to prove a point that you can grow here.
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Yes, that you can grow and make something happen in South Carolina.
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I went to Atlanta a couple years ago, and there was a guy, the studio that I used to go to.
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The guy's from Columbia.
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He's from Columbia, South Carolina.
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And I said, you know what?
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I'm gonna do like a music festival in South Carolina, bring all the artists out.
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And he told me flat out, bruh, ain't nothing can happen in South Carolina.
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Nothing.
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That's why I left.
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And that kind of hurt a little bit.
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Because people always say that.
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They do.
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And it it wasn't just a one-time thing.
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I've been hearing that over and over again.
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I said, you know what, I am not a quitter.
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I'm not someone who said it was negative.
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I'ma find a positive in this.
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So everything I've done is just to prove that I can grow.
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I've been to I've been to Europe, I've been to Trinidad and Tobago, I've got multiple awards, and I didn't even leave home.
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You can make this happen here.
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You can grow here.
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And with the artists like Trap Dicky and Trim and even 803 Fresh, the door for South Carolina to be a music hub here is cracked.
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It's not busted wide open yet.
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It's not busted wide open, but it can happen if we start developing systems, start developing collectives and troops, start having spaces where we can start developing the future voices of South Carolina art.
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Yes.
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And what would that look like?
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And what do you think that looks like?
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Hmm, we need to start having promoters actually focus on South Carolina artists, not just going out for like the big names.
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Yeah.
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Bring up somebody that you see is really working.
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Yeah.
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Um, having artist development training.
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Like, where are the companies that do artist development actually creating, you know, the image?
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Like, have you seen Popstar Academy?
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I have not.
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I've heard about it, but I need to watch it.
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Watch it.
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Okay.
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What is it?
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So Popstar Academy is on Netflix.
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Okay.
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So it's actually the second half of a reality series called Dream Academy, which brought us the group Cat Sai.
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Ah, okay.
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I do love Cat's Eye.
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All the little girls love.
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Yes.
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Like, okay, no, I do love that.
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But I agree with you as far as artist development.
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There are so many artists that I've reached out to, and it's like, you know, and when I say this, I don't mean any offense, but when I say I want to help with public speaking, it's for interviews.
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So you're not sitting there and someone was like, yeah, no, yeah.
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It's not an interrogation.
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Like, we're doing an interview.
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I do feel like with a lot of artists, that part is missing.
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I feel like, you know, you can have the package in some aspects, but that interaction off of social media and being able to interact in real life.
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And like, yeah, music, I feel like music is a half of it.
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But when you want to do these radio runs, when you're going on these red carpets, when different, because everyone has a camera now.
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Either you're being filmed on metaglasses, on the phone, whatever it is.
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So you need to be prepared for and honestly, interview at any time.
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Exactly.
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Like you, at this point in time, anyone wants to be a blogger influencer.
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You need to be ready at all times.
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So, like, I will say, in the beginning, I did notice like trim, she wouldn't really do interviews.
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But then when she got clearly her training or whatever her camp had her do, now she's answering more questions.
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And now she can say, she can tell you more about herself and to articulate it and control the narrative.
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And that's all it is.
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It's controlling your narrative.
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Exactly.
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Like, no one can tell your story except for you.
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But you need to know how to tell your story.
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Storytelling is everything.
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So speaking of storytelling, like you've traveled and I feel like you're so well versed.
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So how did you even?
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Because I know I beforehand, um, you know, you tell me about just your experience and you traveling, and how did you even get involved in that aspect?
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Because I know it was like a group that you were traveling with or something like that.
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Um, with me.
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No, no, no, but like in Europe when you were torn?
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Yeah, just me.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, just me.
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I thought it was like something.
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I did the festival.
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Um, maybe that's why I got confused.
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It's a new school room, school in the Netherlands.
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Yes, yes.
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I thought it was like a group or something.
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Okay.
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It was me.
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It was me and my family.
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We went to the Netherlands.
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It's a beautiful country.
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One thing I didn't expect from the Netherlands, there's a lot of black people.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Now when I leave, I'm gonna go to like uh Netherlands black people.
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Like I just have it on TikTok.
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It was so diverse.
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And the one thing I it made me cry when I went over there because like I felt safe.
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Oh I felt safe.
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Really?
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I was walking by myself.
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It I was coming from a club at three o'clock in the morning.
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And as a black person out of the country, for you to feel safe like that, that is a huge thing.
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Let me go ahead and add Netherlands on my bucket list.
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Rotterdam, amazing, clean air quality, and the groceries, dirt cheap.
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See, it's America.
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It's clearly America.
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I need to get out of here.
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But yeah, so like you describe your music as emotional escapism, which I love that.
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So if someone stepped into a David Givens universe, what would they see?
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What would they hear, and what would they feel?
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Freedom.
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Ooh.
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Freedom, safety, the ability to be yourself.
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Um, this whole universe, I kind of represent it as like an inner dimensional club where you can just finally let your hair down.
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You can take the mask off, you can just be you.
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Because I feel like we don't get that, especially not black men.
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Right.
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We don't get that nowadays.
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We don't have the spaces to where we can just emote and be ourselves no matter who we are.
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We have to be this one person, and that's who we are for the rest of our lives.
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When we are just multi-dimensional beings.
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I was literally having this conversation.
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I was like, black people are not a monolith.
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But I feel like a lot of times we get that with black women, but I don't feel like black men get the opportunity to say, like, we're not a monolith.
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Like, I can like rap music and then I can like anime, and I could skateboard, and I could also like, I don't know, just sorry, be just be a well-versed person.
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So I feel like a lot of times, like black women, we have the opportunity to be like, it's more accepted for us to be, you know, uh have to be not be a monolith and have more layers.
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But I feel like with black men it's just kind of like, and I mean, of course, I'm guilty every chuckle every now and then, but it's like the dazzle shirts, sassy.
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You want the mantra, sassy, quarter zip, sassy, and it's just like I am the original quarter zip king from the 2000s.
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So yeah, so I just um I just love the aspect that you say that.
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And it literally reminded me, I went to a black people love health music event.
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And um with me, by the way.
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You said what?
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Thank you for sharing that with me, buddy.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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So, hey, you need to relax.
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It's okay.
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You're okay, Bubs.
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But um this um, so yeah, so when I went to Black People Love Health music, when you were just like, your music reminds of it's freedom.
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I was there and um a girl who I was there, but she was like, I just feel so free.
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Like, that's what we remind me of.
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So I love that.
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So I'm a big TV person and I always I feel like now, like with being in music and like production, I'm like, this song would look go good with that.
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So if Hollywood was to call you today asking for one of your songs to like do placement, what movie or TV would be your dream placement to have one of your songs in?
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I'm gonna go over the future site.
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Avengers secret wars.
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Ooh, I have the perfect song for you.
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I'm gonna just be that out there.
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When I fall, perfect song right there.
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It's perfect, it's a rock anthem, it's all about you know holding on to people when they're in their lowest.
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It is perfect for Avengers Secret Wars because a lot of things are gonna go down in that movie next year.
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I'm just saying.
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Okay, listen, and I love Avengers, and when you're saying that, you you're getting that coin.
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Okay.
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You're getting the coin because they're yeah, they break the bank.
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All right, so let's talk about your music.
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Let's talk about ghosts.
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What is the story behind it?
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Because you always have a story, and I just love hearing it.
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So take me, take me into the world.
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Okay, so ghost, I wrote ghosts about three months before graduation.
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And this actually was led to me actually making the decision to go to the doctor, go to the therapist.
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Um, someone kind of brought up like my past in like a negative way.
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And I was like, I don't live in that person anymore.
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But it always feels like that person, that old version of me, the older versions of me keep coming back to haunt me.
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Yeah, and I keep trying to run away from it.
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So ghost is really that story of I'm not going to run from you.
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I'm going to face you and I'm going to end you.
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Yes.
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Because I don't want I don't want people to keep seeing that old version of me.
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That person of me who was aimless, that person of me who was lazy, that person of me who just didn't care, didn't care about himself, didn't care about if he rather lived or died.
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Right.
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I want people to see me as I am now.
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Someone who's happy, someone who is free, someone who was himself.
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And go, and that's relatable to anybody who's trying to change for the better.
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Like I remember when uh Charlemagne, when he had the book signing for Get Honest or Die Lying, and someone asked a similar question.
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And he was like, you know what?
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I've been in this industry for such a long time that people seen different versions of me.
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And they were like, some people may be stuck with a certain version of me.
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And he was like, some people may not want to see me grow.
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And it's like at a certain point in time, he was like, I can't fight.
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Because I was like, I know who I am now.
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So if you want to see me as 2006 Charlemagne, that's that's that's your prerogative.
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But although it's 2026, that's that's where I'm at now.
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But you just have some people who are just comfortable with seeing you at a certain version where you are.
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And they don't see the you beyond you.
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Yeah.
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And then what I also realized there are some people like who you've grown up with.
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So it's just like, you know, telling me all amazing things.
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I'm traveling to Europe, you in the Netherlands, and you have your masters, and there are some people.
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Like who you may have grown up with or who know you, and it's just kind of like it's almost like that.
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How dare you think you can do all of that type thing?
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And then it becomes like super projection, and you don't know like where it's coming from.
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And it's like, well, I thought you know this would be like a cool thing, but that that's it's a lot of time, and I had to realize like it's it's not you, it's people projecting onto you.
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But shout out to my therapist for helping me realize that because I'm like, why are you bothering me?
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Leave me alone.
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Why?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I've been there, I've done that.
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Yes.
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So um, wait, where am I?
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Okay, boom.
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So is ghost a real person, a feeling, or a chapter in your life?
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A bridge.
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It is, I call it the bridge between the last album, which is Electric Kingdom Revolution, yes, and to where we're going now.
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Oh it's the prologue.
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I like that.
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It is where Electric Kingdom ended, where we were where that album was mostly talking about everything I went through in my teenage years and my 20s.
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This is like, okay, I know we're we're pulling the plug on this now.
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Right.
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Because I no longer want to feel this way.
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I no longer want to feel things about, you know, self-harm thoughts.
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I know I don't want to feel negative thoughts.
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I don't want to keep coming back to this.
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Right.
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I don't want to come back to this cycle anymore.
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So ghost is the is the bridge.
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Right.
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And where we're going next, something fun.
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Ah, I'm excited.
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Like, I just love your storytelling and just how you do everything.
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It's just just the way you set everything up.
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He's a professional, ladies and gentlemen.
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I am a professional.
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All right, so house music is having a major moment again.
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So why do you think people are reconnecting with music?
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Because people want to be free.
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Um, and I wanted to get back to the 2000s because you know we're both 2000s.
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Yes.
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I dress for the 2000s fixing.
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Listen, I still dress like I'm going to hot topic in Spencer.
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I remember that story.
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And game stuff?
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Spencer's still open?
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They're about to close.
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Get your stuff now while you can't.
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Oh my god.
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Get your stuff.
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Ain't nobody tell me nothing.
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Jeez.
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Just like nobody told me Rainbow instead of the mall was closing.
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I walked in and it was empty.
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No.
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Yes, they're returning to a hospital friend.
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Oh, Jesus.
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Ain't nobody tell me nothing.
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Ain't nobody tell you nothing either.
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Nope.
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Okay.
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But you know, in the 2000s, you know, we were going through recessions.
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We were dealing with 9-11.
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So people wanted to escape.
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Yeah.
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People wanted to escape.
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And let's go back even further.
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Let's go back to the 90s with like the like the rise of like the black house music.
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Yes.
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You know, Cece Penniston and Robin S.
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And I'm gonna give it to my girl in the UK.
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Sonic.
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Come on.
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Listen, I I want to make the music where people can just for a couple hours relax.
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Yes.
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Let your hair down.
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I tell people all the time, I was like, with things like how they are right now, like even when I choose from music that I listen to or things that I watch on TV, I hate to say it, but I was like, I like brain-numbing stuff.
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Like I just really want to like, because it's so much going on.
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Like when you got the TV on, the gas prices are here, this rent due, bill due, shark do, do the do, everything's always due.
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So like, like everything's due.
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So let me find a good series, and I'm just like, you know what?
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Yeah.
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Like, what do you mostly watch when you so literally, okay?
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So I just finished um polygamy so never because everybody Oh friend, hold on to your head, you hold on to your head to that one.
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:27.920
When I tell you Joseph, you stress me out, friend, but then she can my girl did her big one.
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:31.440
But that um I just watched um Will I Find You?
00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:33.200
I Will Find You, or something like that.
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.720
That is a limited series.
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:35.839
That is good.
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.000
Like the twists and turns on that, good.
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:39.839
And then like Real Househouse of Atlanta.
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.240
That's that's Real House Hearts of Atlanta and Love Island, which comes on a night tonight's movie night.
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.680
Um, so that is like where I just my current happy place is right now.
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:50.559
Right now, because I'm on I'm on a nostalgia ride right now.
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.000
Yeah, I'm on Tubi.
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:53.359
I love Tubi.
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:54.319
People talk about Tubi.
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:55.279
I got two movies on Tubi.
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:56.400
I love Tubi.
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:57.680
What's one movie on Tubi?
00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:58.400
I can watch it, girl.
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.559
I forgot I gotta I can't remember the name of the book.
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:01.519
Yeah, we'll talk about it.
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:02.880
And I'm gonna put a shameless plugin right here.
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:04.559
But Tubi, I'm watching Looney Tunes.
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:05.440
Okay, you know what?
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:07.279
It's funny, I leave Looney Tunes over like that.
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.119
But then like I'm gonna watch it and I'm like, I remember this.
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.359
Like, and you know what I started watching on Tubi too?
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:14.559
The Powerpuff Girls.
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.440
Yeah, because I love seeing them whip Mojo Jojo ass.
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:18.559
Like, I don't know.
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.000
Um, Blossom.
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:21.599
But I do like buttercup too.
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:22.160
Bubbles.
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.519
Bubbles, you I youbbles is hardcore, man.
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:28.000
I can see it.
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.319
I like it with blossom and it's my girl.
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.079
You know, it's not gonna be Beyonce.
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:33.440
She's dangerous.
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.559
She is.
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:43.440
Okay, so I feel like Beyoncé's Renaissance uh sparked conversations about house music and black music and how well the black roots in house music.
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:48.240
So do you feel like the industry is finally giving black creators their flowers in that aspect?
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:49.599
Slowly but not enough.
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:50.559
Yeah, that's how I feel.
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:51.839
Slowly but not enough.
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.920
Like, we need to go back and give everybody who's all the black artists who were sampled their credit.
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Everybody from Betty Wright, you know, the clean up.
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.200
I was just talking about her today.
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.759
Like I was just she did woman to woman, right?
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:07.920
I was just like, I said, you know what?
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:08.559
She's good.
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.799
Cause if I did all this for a man, you could keep them.
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:11.839
I'm buying his car.
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.200
I'm even wrong about that.
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:13.839
Like, you can keep them.
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.880
Right, like literally, like, I'm you that house, I'm paying for them.
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:18.400
I'm like, girl, okay.
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:19.359
You doing too much.
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:19.680
Right.
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:20.799
You doing too much.
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.480
Shout out to you, girl.
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:30.079
But yeah, and I do feel like even um, I kind of feel like as far as I agree with what you're saying, and I feel like it's I definitely feel like it's slow.
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:40.559
Cause I mean, even with the Palma Day Club in Charleston with the house music, and they have no black people, and I know black and brown people created house music, but what do I know?
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.400
Listen, I hate going to spaces where I don't see us.
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:44.720
Yeah.
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.200
And it's just like it feels like it's only me.
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:47.359
Yeah.
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.160
Like, that's why I appreciate like there are spaces for us.
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.240
But I like a little bit of diversity.
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:52.640
Yeah.
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.720
I mean, where where are the Asian folks?
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:55.200
Right.
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.519
Where are the, you know, where are the white people, the Asians, where are the Indians?
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.440
Where are the Grecians?
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:02.480
Where are the Koreans?
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.119
Where is everybody?
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:10.480
And the thing about it, when you're so well traveled, like how you are and you go places, you know that it's not odd to actually see a melting pot of all races.
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.880
Especially not where my heritage is from, right?
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.640
Because if everyone doesn't know that I am Trini.
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:18.799
My mama's from Trinidad and Tobago.
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:19.440
Oh, awesome.
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.359
Yeah, so when you get a Trinidad and you know a Geechee man from like the low country together.
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:24.400
Right.
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.920
It's it's a crazy house, right?
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.839
I was like, that's kind of a crazy house, right?
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.039
But I love it.
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.680
We in Trinidad there's a lot of diversity.
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:32.960
You see everybody, right?
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:40.799
You see, you know, Indians, you see white people, you see Asian people, you see, you see all kinds of people in Trinidad.
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.200
And it's like, I'm used to diversity.
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:43.839
Right.
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.759
I don't like being the only person in the space where it's just one type of person.
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.400
And then you realize it's like, oh, I'm the only one here.
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:52.400
And it's like, uh, okay.
00:28:52.480 --> 00:29:01.039
I was talking about this um with Norway in my uh last interview, and I was like, it's like the um the token black person, but you didn't know you were the token until like you realized you're the only person there.
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:02.799
I didn't realize that until 2008.
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:03.039
Right.
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.519
It's just like, oh, okay, got it.
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:11.759
All right, so um honestly, what's one unpopular music opinion do you have?
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Oh, oh gosh.
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.680
I've got a million.
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:24.559
Um there are black pop boys out here, and we need to support them.
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.599
We there are black pop artists out here.
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.559
We do not have to be in the four black boxes.
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.680
Like, literally, I'm like, I'm trying to think of black pop artists because I'm like this.
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.880
Jason DeRulo.
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:35.599
Oh, yeah.
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:36.720
Jason DeRulo.
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.160
Jason DeRulo.
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.319
Um, there's a we got black Brazilians, we can call Brazilians Black.
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:42.880
Yeah.
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:47.200
So Kaui from Santos Bravos, who's currently performing right now.
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.279
Go listen to that album Duel from Santos Bravos.
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:49.759
Amazing.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.240
Really?
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:50.880
Yes.
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:56.960
Um we have so many black male pop artists, even though Seku, he's just had an album come out.
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.240
He's a British black pop artist.
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:01.279
JLS, so many black male pop stars.
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.640
Chris Brown, we can count Chris Brown.
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.480
I was like, okay, I feel like he's a pop sure.
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.400
Because he's done EDM too.
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:06.880
Yeah.
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:12.240
There are black male pop artists, but we keep considering, oh, there's no pop or male pop artists.
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:13.359
Did you go to the black ones?
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:13.759
Right.
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.799
You don't have to go to the cave.
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:15.200
That's true.
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.799
You don't have to go to the cave pop people.
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:17.279
Right.
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:18.799
We have black male ones too.
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.559
And you know what's also so crazy to me?
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:26.240
I feel like when it came down to like, okay, Beyonce crossing over the country was whatever, it was all his pushback.
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.440
But Taylor Swift was country and she just flipped over to being pop.
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:30.559
The red album.
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:36.400
And like, I was like, oh, because I was like, for the look, you know, I'm not deep into Taylor Swift, sorry, Swifties.
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.920
But like We love you though.
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:38.480
Yeah.
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:40.240
Like, but that's the thing.
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.839
I was like, okay, she just transitioned over to pop so quickly.
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:45.680
But yeah, but that's the thing.
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:50.720
I feel like there are, like you say, it's not a lot of black pop male artists who get that spotlight.
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:52.640
And it's not just, and I won't even just say male.
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.200
And I and women too, but I was gonna say a lot of black women write for these pop artists.
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.319
Victoria Monet, uh Seventh Streeter.
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.039
Um, oh my gosh, because she was on the show on Netflix.
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.680
It's so many, money long, like so many of them write for these white artists.
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.599
There's a girl right now on on Instagram.
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.359
I follow her, her name is Chica.
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.720
She's a black artist who writes for K-pop artists.
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:15.200
Really?
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.440
Yeah, so she wrote butter for BTS.
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:18.160
Are you serious?
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:18.559
For real.
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:24.319
She wrote for I mean it's just really RB music, but just a little just you know, just a little more tighter choreography.
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:24.799
Yeah.
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:32.160
If if Joe Jackson was an entire label, everybody would be getting it together.
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:32.720
Exactly.
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.920
All right, so you just don't make music, you build worlds.
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.440
So where did your love for for creative direction come from?
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.279
Um, I loved watching something like Making the Band.
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.200
And I loved Loriette Gibson.
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:45.920
I love it.
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.000
Did you watch her interview with um I didn't yet?
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:49.039
I only saw bits and pieces.
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:50.319
Okay, it's really good.
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:51.200
It's really good.
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:58.319
I I love, you know, that like coming up with a concept, and I think also because I actually studied K-pop for like two years.
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:58.640
Right.
00:31:58.799 --> 00:31:59.680
Before it became a thing.
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:00.559
Before it came a thing.
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:00.799
Yeah.
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.400
Um I'm a I'm a second gen K-pop fan, so 21.
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:12.079
Um, I love packaging concepts and actually developing these worlds and kind of crafting a story and a narrative around it.
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:12.480
Yeah.
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.079
So that's where that love came from.
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:14.880
And anime.
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.160
It's beautiful to see that.
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.559
If someone could give you an unlimited budget for one music video, what would you create?
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.279
I feel like you're gonna give us a thriller part two.
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.519
No, no, no, no.
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.599
If you gave me an unlimited budget, I'm giving you a whole movie.
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.039
Not it's not gonna be like a three-minute music video, it's going to be at least about two hours.
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:35.920
Oh my gosh.
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.880
It's a two-hour video, and we're gonna do all the songs.
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:39.680
I love that.
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.519
I honestly I would love to just be in your world and just see how that would travel.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.039
I mean, Beyonce did it first when she dropped all those videos.
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.119
So we're gonna do a full movie, but no.
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.400
I think that'd be really cool.
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:51.279
But yeah.
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.000
All right, I got a couple of rapid fire questions for you.
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.880
Favorite guilty pleasure TV show.
00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:58.960
Favorite guilty pleasure show.
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.440
Ooh.
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:00.559
Ooh.
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.359
Call the Call the Midwife.
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.240
I heard about that.
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:05.200
Clearly, I need to watch it.
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:06.240
I love British shows.
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.359
Or, you know what?
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:08.240
I'm gonna give you another one.
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:09.599
Fab fab.
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:10.640
Absolutely fabulous.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:11.519
I have not heard about that.
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:12.559
Watch it on TV.
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:13.440
Say less.
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.680
Uh, what's one song that's always on repeat?
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.319
Go the Distance by Hercules.
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.359
Uh, what's the last concert you attended?
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:24.799
Janet Jackson's together again tour.
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:25.759
I know that was amazing.
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:26.720
We'll talk about that later.
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.559
Um, uh, Dream Vacation.
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:30.559
Tokyo.
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.640
What's one app you cannot live without?
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:33.680
Instagram.
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.000
If your life had a theme song today, what would it be?
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:42.160
That changes every day.
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:43.759
You know what?
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.200
Right now, it's super by 17.
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.240
Um, or it could be Scream by Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson.
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:53.200
I do like that one.
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.079
You got me there.
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.279
All right, give me your top three pop artists.
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.160
Prince, Janet Jackson, Don Richard.
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.720
Give me your top three pop songs.
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:07.599
Um poppy pop songs.
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.800
That would be What About by Janet Jackson from the Velvet Rope album.
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.599
Um, Diamonds and Pearls by Prince.
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:14.000
Ooh.
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.320
And Renegade by you know what?
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.679
Reverse that.
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:19.679
I just it just came in my brain.
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.519
Sweet Melody by Little Mix.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:22.320
Mmm.
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.239
You have a really good ear.
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:25.679
You have an amazing ear.
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.519
Is there any oh yeah, is there anything that I didn't ask you that you want to discuss?
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:30.719
Hmm.
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:32.960
You know what?
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:35.280
Surprise me.
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:43.360
But yes, so please tell the people how they can get connected with you, how they can stream you, look you up, all that good stuff.
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:44.079
All right.
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.280
You can find me at www.davidworld.us.
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.039
You can also find me at official David Givens on all platforms.
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.480
Real David Givens on X, but who really uses X?
00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:01.039
And go stream or buy Ghost right now on all platforms, including www.world.us.
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.599
I'm just so proud of you and your growth and everything.
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.599
So I will say my last question: what can we expect from you in like the next year?
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.400
Where is David gonna be at in a year?
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:12.480
I don't want to spoil anything.
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:13.760
Okay, we don't have to spoil it.
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.119
But I will give you a hint.
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:15.840
Give me a hint.
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:16.960
I love hints.
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.119
If we're killing off the ghosts, then where do we go next?
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.320
It's to paradise.
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.400
Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.159
Take me to paradise, friend.
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:27.280
Take me to paradise.
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.199
That actually is a lyric in the song, by the way.
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.400
Oh, see, I'm a writer.
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:31.280
Y'all don't even know it.
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:31.840
Wow.
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:32.400
Thanks.
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:34.320
Uh, y'all can labels call me up.
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:34.960
No, I'm kidding.
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:36.079
It's Chris Kalen.
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:37.840
Thank you for tuning to Princess Diaries.
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00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:48.960
Thank you so much for joining me.
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:49.760
Thank you for having me.
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.039
I'm so happy we got to do this.
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:51.360
I know.
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:51.920
This is amazing.
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.039
This is a really good interview.
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:54.880
I like people who like to talk wax to me.
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:55.679
Yeah, thank you.
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