September iPhone Event, Why Bending Spoons Ruins Everything, AI Slop Google Maps

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Only a true friend would be that truly
honest.

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Welcome to Primary Technology,

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the show about the tech news that matters.

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We have a bunch of stuff this week.

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We got CarPlay in boats, Anthropic's
models are also hacking companies.

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We're gonna do a deep dive in why bending
spoons is not a great company

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to be acquiring all the things.

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Google had an AI shakeup, the FCC banned
robot vacuums,

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and a ton more. This episode is brought to
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Clean My Mac, and you, the members who
support us directly.

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I'm one of your hosts, a developer,

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mm mm, Steven Robles, because my my app is
now in the app store.

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Joined by my friend developer Jason A10.

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How's it going, Jason? I I d listen,

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the developer's a joke. I don't call
myself a developer,

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but can do, which I talked about on last
week's episode.

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It's in the app store. It's live.

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It launched. Anyway.

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Did you know there's

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I'm sorry to tell you this. Did you know
that Yeah.

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There's a there's another can do app,

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yeah. I know. But it's not a

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I was like very confused.

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I almost downloaded it.

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it's not a Kanban app, though.

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It's a very different.

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It's definitely not.

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It's a motor skills measurement tool,

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which I was like, Maybe Steven sent me
this because he thinks I need

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to become more coordinated or something.

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No, no, I

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looked up I looked up ~ the name.

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but anyway, yeah, condu. It is in the app
store.

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I'll put it there. I actually have a video
going out live in one minute

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as we record on my YouTube channel talking
all about it.

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But we have a bunch of stuff to talk
about.

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Number one, do you know where that movie
quote was from?

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Only a true friend friend would be that
truly honest.

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Hmm. Yes,

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I don't know which one, but I'm pretty
sure it's one of the Shrek movies.

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I don't know which one. I think d Okay,

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that's correct. Shrek. I think it's from
the first Shrek.

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That's from the Shrek.

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I think it's Donkey talking to Shrek,

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right?

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I think you're right.

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I can't say that word because I say it
funny and then everyone's gonna comment.

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I typically whenever I say it,

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Okay, we'll move on. I thought you were
gonna say Shrek was really hard

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I usually say donkey and then everybody
dunks on me,

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but no, no, no, no, it's d it's donkey.

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for you to say. It's like it's like one
syllable.

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Donkey?

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I don't know how to say that word.

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We love seeing it. We'll give you a shout
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Thanks for doing that. Also, we talked
about which I think I listened back

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to last week's episode, and your Jurassic
Park AI analogy,

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I think, was just w spot on. I just I
enjoyed that analogy.

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And I called for shirts and we did
actually get a shirt design.

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Theo from the UK. This is a this is
actually a pretty That's a pretty cringe.

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That's what that I get it now,

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okay. I didn't understand it.

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It says, you know, in the show we talked
about being a herbivore.

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We want AI to be a herbivore so it doesn't
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And so he made this for the front of the
shirt says herbivore,

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but it's herb AI, capital AI, Vore.

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And then there's a plant on the back.

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I thought that was a very fun shirt.

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~ would love to entertain more shirt
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Maybe we even put some in the merch store.

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AI, Jurassic Park, that theme.

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Whatever you want to do. I thought that'd
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And the medieval night riding the polar
bear has made it to another location.

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This is Santi. He's also in my shortest
community.

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Thank you, Santi. But Burlington,

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Vermont says it's his favorite pen.

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So there it is.

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That's really nice scenery too.

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That's at sunset with the boats.

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He got there at golden hour. That's the
nicest scenery the night has ever seen.

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I don't know, it looks pretty nice.

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It's nice.

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It's nice. You ever been up there?

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Like Maine area, Vermont, New Hampshire?

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I have been to Maine once. I've been

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It's very nice up there.

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to Boston several times, but I've been to
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yeah.

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It's really pretty. I did I when I worked
for the travel company,

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I did a cruise, like a fall cruise when
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up to like no Nova Scotia and St.

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John's and like it is incredibly beautiful
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The yeah. Awesome. you know what's not
beautiful are ads in Apple News.

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This is gonna be this is gonna be a new
segment because I'm waiting for

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ads to hit Apple Maps because Apple said
that should be happening.

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It might be when iOS twenty seven launches
officially in September.

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But John Gruber, he's starting a new ~
Apple ad of the week.

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And I just wanted to share this one.

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He saw this ad. Apple news ads have been
going down the toilet for years,

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but it didn't used to be this literal.

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And he has a screenshot here of an ad in
Apple Maps of a toilet with someone

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spooning out a green substance ~ out of
green water in the What a I listen,

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this feels like bottom of the barrel ads,

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right?

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All of these are just chum ads.

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They're all bottom of the barrel.

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Show me it's Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

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They're there's the

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worst. Why I it is har it it I do feel
like Tim Cook doesn't know this is
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Like well, no, maybe not Tim Cook.

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You think so? I

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think I think he sees this ad and then
someone slides a piece of paper across

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the table showing the ad's profit for the
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Apple News, and he said,

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s no one is clicking on that ad,

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Stephen, on purpose.

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No one's clicking on that. Can I also say
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Or the toenail fungus ones, no one's
clicking on that.

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seven ways to remove anyway, the my wife,

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she will sometimes scroll reels in the
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which pains me. but I've now seen that
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of reels as she's scrolling. So not only
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companies, but while you're just watching
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the Facebook app specifically,

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I've never seen this on Instagram.

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But in the Facebook ad there'll be a
chumbox ad of like,

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Hey, here's custom something or other.

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I'm like, What? They were talking about on
the VergeCast,

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Were they talking about that on dithering
recently?

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Because I have started VergeCast,

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Neil I saw too.

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yeah, I've seen

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that I've started seeing that as well,

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where you're just watching it and some
stupid ad just pops up.

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Has nothing to do with the video.

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Crazy.

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It's yeah, you're right, 'cause they were
talking about how like things gotta

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be rough for Mark Zuckerberg right now.

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Where he's just like, where else can we
put an ad?

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~

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I think my video might have been taking
them out.

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I think my video on the Meta Glasses might
be taking down Facebook personally.

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I'll take responsibility. We can only
hope.

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But we can only pray. We can only pray.

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We can only hope.

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We're gonna get to Instagram in a moment.

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I also wanted to share this hilarious.

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We got CarPlay in a boat before GTA six.

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And also CarPlay in any EV, really.

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Or Rivian and Tesla at least. But yeah,

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MasterCraft is bringing CarPlay and
Android Auto to its pontoon boats.

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Which

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I laugh so hard at this, but also I'd be
for it.

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Sure.

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Well,

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I think it's kind of ridiculous that it
shows a map.

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'Cause I don't know that that's the
primary use case of CarPlay on a boat.

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I'm not suggesting maps are not important.

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Please boat people don't I'm not
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Both people.

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I'm not inter I love a boat. I don't own a
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Jason, if

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but I

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you have any superpower, it's to get the
most obscure troll group on

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the internet to start arguing with you on
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Listen, hold on. All I'm trying to say is
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Threads, excuse me.

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the fine, I'll post this take on threads.

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I don't

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Ha ha ha.

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think that the best use case of car play
on a boat is going to be the map features,

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right? I think it's going to be the fact
that now you can listen to your music.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Music,

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Now if you're on a pontoon boat,

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podcasts.

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which is what this is coming to,

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what you want is like a music or stuff.

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Yeah.

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I don't think it's like sweet,

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let's see I cause I don't

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feel like the mapping in Apple maps

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was really designed for route planning for
boats in waterways.

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Have you have you ever tried that?

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I wouldn't think so. I don't think I when

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Like it does sort of show it, but it
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you get directions, you got walking,

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bicycle, rideshare, and driving.

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I've never seen a boat. Honestly,

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I cannot wait for a boat to show up in my
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that would be hilarious. If somehow,

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if I don't think this the Venn diagram of
listeners and viewers of this show

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and Mastercraft pontoon boat owners that
might have car play,

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I don't think those Venn diagrams touch.

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But if you have a boat and fire up car
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Does it offer both directions?

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We need to know. We have to know.

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I don't think it does. But anyway,

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we're g we have a bunch of other segments
I want to get to.

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We actually have a Brendan Carza Dummy
segment in a moment,

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but also wanted to go ahead.

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Did you what did you see? I'm sorry about
the car play.

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Did you Casey Liss's post about this?

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Yes, yes.

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It's like

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with cars and drive boats, Rivian,

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no. Everybody gets it except for Rivian.

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Yeah, I know yet. No

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Rivian. Tesla's been supposedly gonna get
CarPlay for like a year because everyone

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was talking about it, but still nothing.

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And I don't even know if my ancient

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But yeah, and Tesla has

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a what, twelve year history, thirteen year
history of not having it.

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So people who bought a Tesla have already
made that decision.

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But there's no reason that anybody I I
thought that the tweets would be like GM.

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Rivian should do it. R

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Like what's wrong with you, Gm?

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right, right, exactly. ~ so Apple is
actually doing a lottery for

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its Apple retail employees for the iPhone
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So they don't say it's the iPhone event,

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but they say there's an in-person event
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A lot of people online were like,

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as soon as John Turns became CEO,

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now we have in-person events again.

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No. Mark German, journalist excuse me.

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Journalist Mark German at Bloomberg said
an in-person event,

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but not that it would be a live on stage
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In-person event means press gets invited
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They go to the Steve Jobs Theater and they
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which is what has been happening for
iPhone events for the since COVID.

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So I don't think this means live on stage
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but whenever this event happens,

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it seems like it'll be in the first half
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That's when Apple told retail employees it
would be that they can enter

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the lottery to be invited to Apple Park
for this event in the first half

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of September. It will be ~ probably a it'd
be John Turnis' first event.

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It will be.

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John Turnis' first Apple event as CEO.

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I imagine he'll do a little on stage thing
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but it's probably still gonna be like
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you know, a streamed video event.

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But yeah, first half of September it's
coming.

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Yeah, but I don't

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think they're gonna do a public yes.

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I think he'll come on stage and do the
hello,

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we're glad you're here kind of thing.

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He can't say good morning. It'll have to
be something different.

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~ that's true.

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But I d

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Apple doesn't make a big like even Tim
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he gave like a two or three paragraph
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but like he they don't make a big deal
about themselves.

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Right? Like and so

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No, they don't.

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I don't think that at Tim I don't think
John Turner says to come on stage

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and be like, I'm so happy to be here as
your new CEO.

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I have some amazing things to unveil.

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I think he's just gonna go out and do it
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The same way that like Tim Cook would have
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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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We also the Apple Earnings call,

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which was Tim Cook's last Apple earnings
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was last Thursday, which happened after we
released the episode.

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I don't know if there's a ton of things to
report.

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It was Tim Cook's last one. They broke
records for Q three again.

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And I will link Jason Snell's Six Colors
article.

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They always Jason and Dan Morn always do
great work covering the earnings call.

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But yeah, they made a bunch of money.

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They're doing fine. They also

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Might be the f were they the first five
trillion dollar company?

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I think they're or they're on their way to
being that

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Well, they were actually l the largest
company again until

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Right, right.

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~ after the earnings call because they
gave sort of a soft forecast based on,

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you know, supply limitations and stuff.

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It's funny when they're like we had a
record quarter.

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But it would have been bigger if we
weren't limited

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Right.

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in our supply chain by things like,

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~ I don't know, RAM and SSDs. It's not
like they're ever limited

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by those little screws that some guy in
Iowa is making for them,

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the little tiny ones. Did you ever read
that story?

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Yes, yes. N I

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Like the one screw

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maker.

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No, I don't

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Is making all the

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little tiny screws in an iPhone or
something like that.

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Really?

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I don't remember the exact details.

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There's a story. Look it up. Like some guy

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Okay.

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~ some one company's making all those
little tiny little screws or whatever.

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That's not the limitation. They can make
lots of screws.

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It's the RAM and it's the SSDs.

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He's gotta find this. Okay.

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I now I gotta I wanna find the story.

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I'm not gonna I'm I'm

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not gonna I'm not I won't search live
'cause I what initial Google search didn't

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pull it up. But yeah, so that was that.

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Now you put a screenshot here in the show
notes before we started recording

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of Instagram. Another a new pop up.

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And ~ what do you what do you think of
this,

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Jason?

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Well,

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I've been on this for a while.

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I hate the little pop up because I hate
like the browser in inside

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of like Meta's properties. And it it

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Right.

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was clear why they want they don't want
you to leave the app.

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They but I always thought the reason they
don't want you to leave the

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app is because once you leave the app,

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you get you do like what happens on the
internet.

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You get distracted. You click on a link to
go to some website for some company

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and then you you're like on Belroy's
website and you're Yeah,

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but doesn't Waterfield have one?

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I should go look at Waterfield and you
know what?

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this picture, this reminds me of this
place in San Francisco we're gonna

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go to next year. So let me look on Expedia
and see if I can book a room to that.

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And then you're like, 40 minutes later,

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you've just moved on with your life.

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And in Instagram's over like, come back,

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come back. Well, they're like,

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Well, just use our browser and then you'll
still you still be here.

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Turns out there's a much worse reason why
they want you to use their browser.

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And they started putting up a screen,

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a little interstitials card to tell you
exactly why,

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which is in order to provide new AI
features and personalized experiences.

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Mm. Mm.

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We'll collect all the information about
what you do when you use our browser.

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And then you'll get literally that's what
it says.

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And Jason is a Jason's not like
paraphrasing.

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They they say v verbatim in this

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pop up, we'll collect and use info about
websites and your interactions with them

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when you use the in app browser.

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Happy browsing. They didn't say that.

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Yeah, and and then you'll get pro

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personalized promos. So what they're
saying is we're gonna collect

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a bunch of information, feed it into our
AI,

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All the data. That's right. That's exactly
it.

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and use it to show you more ads.

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You know what I was thinking I

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They're just putting it right there.

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was thinking just yesterday. You know what
doesn't have enough ads right now?

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Definitely

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What's that?

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Instagram.

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I think more ads. Who didn't want who
didn't want more ads?

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You know what mean? That's sarcasm.

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By the way, I found the story.

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There's like a

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there's like it's it was a story about why
~ iPhones can never be made in

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the US and it has to do with these little
tiny tiny screws that that that

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I don't know, that are not I don't know if
that's true.

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But the screws are made here in the US.

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well.

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Yeah, well,

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I don't know. I I this company can make a
thousand screws per day,

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has something to do with the making of the

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you know, the Mac Pro in Austin and that
there's no way that they could make enough

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to make the iPhone. I think that was the
gist

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I see. Okay. Well I will ~ look,

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that's ~ Deirdre O'Brien I interviewed
here at the Miami Apple store.

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I'll put a link to this article that Jason
and I don't really know what it's about,

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but it's about screws and it's about Apple
products.

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Some random story about something that
someone once

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Exactly.

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told me on the bus when I was riding from
an airport to the rental car place.

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That's it.

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I don't know.

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Enjoy that from the Texas Standard,

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the National Daily News Show of Texas.

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This was a sh news item last week.

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Again, clarification came out more so
afterwards,

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and I wanted to bring it up because the
FCC has banned robots that also include

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robot vacuums. And the FCC is claiming,

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and this is Brendan Carr, and I don't
know,

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should I play the little Gregorian chant?

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Should we license that from the VergeCast?

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I'm gonna play it. I'm gonna play it.

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Here's the Gregorian chant.

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Brendan Carr, head of the FCC,

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has banned robots because of security and
things.

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And I will also link his tweet where I
feel like this is probably

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an AI generated image, but this is his
official Twitter account posting this
image,

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the Federal Communications Commission,

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saying FCC adds foreign-produced advanced
robotic devices and power inverters

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to covered list. And there's, I think,

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an AI generated image of a red robot in a
fighting stance and a robot dog,

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both

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Have red eyes and they're and they also
made the power inverter that looks like
it's

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just on a pole or whatever, very
intimidating.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like they try to make it red and rusty and
angry,

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even though it doesn't even have eyes.

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I don't know. So they posted this very
silly image,

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banned these robots. Here's why it's
silly.

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So one, they're saying privacy and
security,

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we need to ban robots made in China
specifically,

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but they're not doing anything about all
the robots already here.

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So all the

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Robot vacuums, all the robots that are
already in the US,

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those are cool. They can stay and keep
spying on us,

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no problem. Only new models made in China
will be banned unless there

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is a special exemption. And the exemption
is not security questions.

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I will link the Verge article.

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They said the government isn't asking
these companies any questions about
security,

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not a single one, to get the waiver to be
allowed back in the US.

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The FCC only wants to know where they're
designed and made and assembled.

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Namely, they want them to be made in the
US.

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This is a play just to try to get
manufacturing back to the US,

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but it's not, it feels a little bit like
security theater.

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I think actually is. And there's already
exceptions,

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aside from robot vacuums and other robots,

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for self-driving cars and trains made in
China.

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Those get a pass. Unmanned aircraft and
underwater vehicles made in China,

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which I'm like, if we're worried about
robot vacuums,

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I would think unmanned aircraft would be
also a big worry,

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but I guess not.

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mean isn't that just the DJI drones?

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Those are unmanned aircraft. Yeah,

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Those are also banned though. DJSO added
underwater

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I don't know.

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vehicles. I don't even know what that is.

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Surgical robots, wheelchairs, and fixed
robot arms for industrial and medical use.

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So we're cool with all those robots.

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But other robots which it is kind of
funny,

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like in the FCC image that they posted,

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it's this red humanoid robot, but also
robots get a pass that

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are like underwater anyway.

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Yeah, it's okay for the robots to come and
cut you open because they're operating

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Right. That's right. I that's exactly
right.

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on you, but they cannot clean your floors.

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We only

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And then

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want the super high end capable robots,

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not the ones that do menial housework.

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That's right. Correct.

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There's actually

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And

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like a metaphor there, but we won't go.

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we won't get into that. I just and the
reason why I find this one,

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it's it's silly, as a lot of things have
happened that are silly

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in these different kinds of bands.

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Two, if there's actually s concerns of
security and spying from Chinese made
robots,

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investigate that. But that's not what the
FCC is doing.

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They're not looking into the actual
security and privacy implications.

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They're just looking at where the stuff is
manufactured.

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So

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If there's actual concern, let's actually
address the concern.

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And two, robot vacuums, I'll just a little
inside baseball,

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are some of the highest paying,

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most regular sponsorship videos you will
see on YouTube.

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That's why all the dedicated videos,

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or a lot of dedicated videos you see,

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are robot vacuum videos. Because they
release new models all the time.

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The big names like Roborock, Eufie,

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Dreamy, Narwhal, all of them made in
China.

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And they all also.

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Pay really well for dedicated videos.

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Now, I I haven't done a dedicated robot
vacuum video in about a year because

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I stopped when I went independent.

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But I've done a reel for one. I think I
did a Eufy vacuum and I'll

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do 60 second integrations. But the reason
why I mention is it's unfortunate because

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a lot of creators, especially smart home
focused creators,

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I think depend on robot vacuum
sponsorships for their business.

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And you could argue, well, that's not a
good business or they shouldn't do that.

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But the fact remains, like it is

481
00:18:17,113 --> 00:18:18,444
been a regular source of income.

482
00:18:18,444 --> 00:18:22,346
It was for me in the years before I went
independent because they were like,

483
00:18:22,346 --> 00:18:24,567
every year, like Dreamy would come and be
like,

484
00:18:24,567 --> 00:18:26,868
hey, you want another vacuum and we'll
sponsor a video?

485
00:18:26,868 --> 00:18:29,920
It's like, well yeah, because it's the
most I can make in a sponsorship.

486
00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,232
And so that is a shame. And I know the FCC
is not even thinking

487
00:18:33,232 --> 00:18:36,774
or caring about that, but it is a knock on
effect from a band like this.

488
00:18:36,774 --> 00:18:39,105
And it's it's unfortunate for those
creators.

489
00:18:39,105 --> 00:18:41,967
Hopefully maybe some of these companies
will get passes.

490
00:18:41,967 --> 00:18:45,909
It's unclear what that process would be
for a company like Ecovax or Dreamy

491
00:18:46,243 --> 00:18:50,681
Or what they can do to actually get
allowed back into the United States

492
00:18:50,681 --> 00:18:51,884
if they're not gonna manufacture here.

493
00:18:51,884 --> 00:18:54,809
So we'll see. But that has been this
segment.

494
00:18:54,809 --> 00:18:56,663
Brandon Cars I mean. Yeah.

495
00:18:55,505 --> 00:18:56,755
Yeah, I dunno offense.

496
00:18:56,755 --> 00:18:58,956
I don't think anyone needs to care about
that last part.

497
00:18:58,956 --> 00:19:03,397
Like I don't think someone will not get
paid to promote it is the it

498
00:19:03,397 --> 00:19:05,898
has anything to do with it because we
don't have to get that far.

499
00:19:05,898 --> 00:19:09,289
Like this is how you say you're going to
do a thing without actually having

500
00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:11,920
to do a thing, like without thinking
through what it means.

501
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,241
Because all of the how many robot vacuums
are already here and we don't care about

502
00:19:16,241 --> 00:19:20,782
any of them. Like you cannot make the
argument that there's

503
00:19:17,113 --> 00:19:18,556
I got three in my house right now.

504
00:19:18,556 --> 00:19:20,631
Yeah.

505
00:19:20,782 --> 00:19:23,063
a security risk if you're not going to
deal with the fact

506
00:19:23,473 --> 00:19:25,193
Then if it was a security risk,

507
00:19:25,193 --> 00:19:27,624
it's done. We're over. Like we've already
been invaded.

508
00:19:27,437 --> 00:19:28,437
yeah.

509
00:19:27,704 --> 00:19:29,724
They're already here. The robots are here,

510
00:19:29,724 --> 00:19:32,625
guys. It is too late. There's nothing we

511
00:19:29,817 --> 00:19:32,452
They are here. They are here. Yeah.

512
00:19:32,625 --> 00:19:35,606
can do. You can cut off the supply of more
robots.

513
00:19:35,606 --> 00:19:39,766
But I think statistically, there are more
than enough robots in America

514
00:19:39,766 --> 00:19:41,507
to do whatever the robots are going to do.

515
00:19:41,507 --> 00:19:44,128
Like also, also,

516
00:19:42,115 --> 00:19:43,363
Yeah. A lot of them have ki yeah,

517
00:19:43,363 --> 00:19:44,363
they cameras.

518
00:19:44,243 --> 00:19:46,258
no one there's like no offense,

519
00:19:46,258 --> 00:19:49,339
but like there's no way these companies
are going to be able to afford

520
00:19:49,339 --> 00:19:52,400
to pay creators to promote them if they
have to build them in the US.

521
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,400
There's a reason.

522
00:19:53,584 --> 00:19:56,094
Did you read Apple in China? There's a
reason this stuff

523
00:19:55,651 --> 00:19:56,651
Right.

524
00:19:56,094 --> 00:19:58,263
is all built in China. So that we can buy
it at

525
00:19:57,966 --> 00:19:58,966
Yeah.

526
00:19:58,263 --> 00:19:59,456
the price that Americans are willing to
pay.

527
00:20:00,077 --> 00:20:04,169
Yeah. And it is one of the benef like the
benefits that these companies

528
00:20:04,169 --> 00:20:06,400
get from manufacturing there is they get
money from like

529
00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:09,981
the Chinese government because the Chinese
government wants Chinese companies

530
00:20:09,981 --> 00:20:13,793
to succeed. And that's why a company like
Dreamy seemingly came out

531
00:20:13,793 --> 00:20:18,265
of nowhere and in a span of three years
now has an entire smart home ecosystem.

532
00:20:18,265 --> 00:20:21,486
Like I was at their booth at ZES and they
have like smart locks

533
00:20:21,566 --> 00:20:25,108
to refrigerators to hairdryers to all the
vacuums.

534
00:20:25,108 --> 00:20:26,108
And it's like

535
00:20:26,136 --> 00:20:30,400
They can do that because they get funding
from China like proper.

536
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,342
And yeah, they it's also like good
products.

537
00:20:33,342 --> 00:20:35,644
Like I use their products. I have a Dreamy
Vacuum here.

538
00:20:35,644 --> 00:20:38,097
I have a Yuffie one. And again,

539
00:20:38,097 --> 00:20:40,249
if there is an actual security problem,

540
00:20:40,249 --> 00:20:43,331
sure, let's investigate that. But that's
not what this is.

541
00:20:43,331 --> 00:20:44,331
And so

542
00:20:44,474 --> 00:20:46,756
The only experience I think I have with
any of these wasn't it

543
00:20:46,756 --> 00:20:50,068
the dreamy booth where the little robotic
leaf blower started chasing

544
00:20:50,068 --> 00:20:55,142
us around the floor? Very scary looking
leaf blower.

545
00:20:50,616 --> 00:20:53,901
That wasn't dreamy, but we almost got
killed by a a robot lawnmower.

546
00:20:53,901 --> 00:20:54,901
Yeah.

547
00:20:55,403 --> 00:20:58,747
It's very close. Very cl I mean it's kinda
like the churning blades

548
00:20:58,968 --> 00:21:00,410
and it started moving towards us.

549
00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:04,105
I don't like that. ~ that wasn't our live
episode live from the show floor episode.

550
00:21:04,105 --> 00:21:05,105
You can go watch it.

551
00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:05,300
I can't wait

552
00:21:04,842 --> 00:21:09,249
for the robotic chainsaw just fall just
trims your bushes for you.

553
00:21:07,524 --> 00:21:09,696
That's a bad idea.

554
00:21:09,696 --> 00:21:12,327
Have you ever seen the have you ever seen
the fail videos when someone's like

555
00:21:12,427 --> 00:21:16,349
up a tree, cutting it with a chainsaw and
cut it the wrong way and like

556
00:21:16,829 --> 00:21:19,291
the the branch like almost knocks them off
the tree?

557
00:21:19,291 --> 00:21:20,291
Harrowing.

558
00:21:19,312 --> 00:21:20,544
I don't watch that stuff, are you kidding?

559
00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:22,302
Harrowing. I don't intentionally watch it,

560
00:21:22,302 --> 00:21:24,233
but it's usually in like a fail army
compilation.

561
00:21:24,233 --> 00:21:26,325
And you know, sometimes we find ourselves
watching that.

562
00:21:26,325 --> 00:21:28,436
It just happens to be on, as you do.

563
00:21:28,436 --> 00:21:35,099
~ okay. Friend. We actually had Adam
Lissigore on the show over a year ago,

564
00:21:35,099 --> 00:21:36,140
maybe even two years ago.

565
00:21:36,547 --> 00:21:39,639
Because he did the launch video for the
Friend AI pendant,

566
00:21:39,639 --> 00:21:43,022
which had a particular response we'll talk
about.

567
00:21:43,022 --> 00:21:46,605
But Friend has released version two of the
pendant.

568
00:21:46,605 --> 00:21:50,548
They said, this Verch subhead is so good.

569
00:21:50,548 --> 00:21:53,410
Everyone hated it, so Friend is making it
even more expensive.

570
00:21:53,410 --> 00:21:57,073
The first friend was $130. If you didn't
know,

571
00:21:57,073 --> 00:21:59,215
it was a pendant you wear around your
neck.

572
00:21:59,215 --> 00:22:01,697
It had a microphone, so it always heard
what you said,

573
00:22:01,697 --> 00:22:03,778
but it couldn't talk back. So to
communicate,

574
00:22:03,778 --> 00:22:05,930
it would just send notifications through
the friend app.

575
00:22:06,154 --> 00:22:09,888
on your phone. And that was the
interaction you could have with a friend
pendant,

576
00:22:09,888 --> 00:22:13,301
which was, you know, pretty with all the
voice assistants now,

577
00:22:13,301 --> 00:22:15,894
it's like, well, that seems like a pretty
obscure way to interact with it.

578
00:22:15,894 --> 00:22:18,496
And now they have a version two,

579
00:22:18,496 --> 00:22:20,678
it's two hundred and fifty dollars.

580
00:22:20,678 --> 00:22:24,242
And the big new feature is they put a
speaker in so it could talk back to you.

581
00:22:24,242 --> 00:22:25,894
So now you can wear a pendant,

582
00:22:25,894 --> 00:22:30,238
an AI necklace that listens to everything
you say and talks back and is your friend.

583
00:22:31,596 --> 00:22:35,877
And I will remind everyone that nine
months ago there was actually a protest

584
00:22:35,877 --> 00:22:40,148
in New York City against the Friend
bracelet because ads started going

585
00:22:40,148 --> 00:22:43,199
up in the subways and people started
getting really mad.

586
00:22:43,199 --> 00:22:46,320
And there was this protest that happened
in New York City and Avi Schiffman,

587
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,281
the CEO and founder of the Friend pendant
necklace,

588
00:22:50,281 --> 00:22:53,082
actually went to the protest. Like,

589
00:22:53,082 --> 00:22:59,124
took pictures, and I don't know seems like
a weird thing to do,

590
00:22:59,124 --> 00:23:00,264
as I don't know.

591
00:23:00,708 --> 00:23:01,998
So anyway, yeah, that's out there.

592
00:23:01,998 --> 00:23:03,489
And I just think it's it's very funny.

593
00:23:03,489 --> 00:23:09,650
And I the reason I wanted to bring it up
is like sometimes to know your limits

594
00:23:09,650 --> 00:23:12,711
on a thing, you kind of have to go past
the limit.

595
00:23:12,711 --> 00:23:15,872
And when it comes to like AI and chatbots,

596
00:23:15,872 --> 00:23:17,813
there's a lot of gray area of like,

597
00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,293
what do we want these things to do?

598
00:23:19,293 --> 00:23:24,444
What are they good at? And it seemed
pretty clear that the friend pendant
helped

599
00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:26,175
to draw the outer border of like,

600
00:23:26,175 --> 00:23:30,366
~ we don't want that. That's definitely
something we do not want.

601
00:23:30,671 --> 00:23:34,204
Which is a necklace, always listening to
me and trying to be my friend.

602
00:23:34,204 --> 00:23:39,228
That's the only purpose. It's not like
giving you answers for what is a black
hole.

603
00:23:39,228 --> 00:23:42,870
It is just telling you things that a
friend quote unquote friend would.

604
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:46,303
And it seems like the response from the
protest in New York to I think

605
00:23:46,303 --> 00:23:50,296
no one bought the first one, that that in
the world of AI,

606
00:23:50,296 --> 00:23:51,417
that was something where people were like,

607
00:23:51,417 --> 00:23:53,599
Yep, that's the limit, we don't want that.

608
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:55,190
let's go back. So

609
00:23:55,812 --> 00:23:58,643
I mean, Steven, I've been married for like
nineteen years.

610
00:23:58,643 --> 00:24:03,396
I love my wife. I don't even want her
listening to me all day long

611
00:24:03,396 --> 00:24:05,907
and then repeating things back to me about
you feel sad.

612
00:24:05,907 --> 00:24:08,409
You seem you seem like you should go for a
walk.

613
00:24:08,409 --> 00:24:11,110
Like and I love like I'm again,

614
00:24:11,054 --> 00:24:14,506
Don't tell me what to do. Yeah.

615
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:13,251
this is no sh no shade against my wife.

616
00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:14,562
I'm just simply saying I wouldn't

617
00:24:14,562 --> 00:24:17,834
want a person doing this. So if I wouldn't
want a person doing it,

618
00:24:17,834 --> 00:24:20,695
I don't want some random device that I'm
wearing to do it.

619
00:24:20,695 --> 00:24:22,496
This feels like the kind of thing where,

620
00:24:22,496 --> 00:24:25,318
you know, someone sees

621
00:24:25,528 --> 00:24:27,409
A behavior that humans

622
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:27,820
Mm.

623
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:31,801
are exhibiting, which is people are
telling all their deep dark secrets to
Chat GPT,

624
00:24:31,801 --> 00:24:32,942
typing them in there or whatever.

625
00:24:32,942 --> 00:24:35,363
So maybe there's a different way we could
do that,

626
00:24:35,363 --> 00:24:38,775
but they completely misunderstood all of
the dynamics involved in

627
00:24:38,775 --> 00:24:40,086
the behavior that they're observing,

628
00:24:40,086 --> 00:24:42,247
which is you can chat with your phone,

629
00:24:42,247 --> 00:24:45,059
like type things into chat GPT on your
phone or on your computer,

630
00:24:45,059 --> 00:24:48,710
and you're completely alone and it's super
self initiated,

631
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:50,622
right? You started the conversation,

632
00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:52,453
you put the information in there when you
wanted,

633
00:24:52,453 --> 00:24:54,023
and you got a response back. And yes,

634
00:24:54,023 --> 00:24:55,044
there are people who have

635
00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:56,194
very

636
00:24:55,524 --> 00:24:59,436
long drawn out conversations with ChatGPT
about all sorts of things.

637
00:24:59,436 --> 00:25:03,499
And I just think like I what is it that
Neli calls it software brain?

638
00:25:03,499 --> 00:25:06,140
Like when you see behaviors, you just
assume,

639
00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:09,592
well software can solve this in a
different way.

640
00:25:09,592 --> 00:25:12,654
And it's like you you miss the whole human
part of this,

641
00:25:12,654 --> 00:25:15,906
right? You missed all of the reasons why
the current way people are doing

642
00:25:15,906 --> 00:25:19,418
it is actually the ideal way for them to
do it because it avoids

643
00:25:16,664 --> 00:25:19,080
Yeah. Right.

644
00:25:19,418 --> 00:25:22,220
the fact that you have to record them all
of the time.

645
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:24,801
Yeah, yeah. And people don't want that.

646
00:25:24,801 --> 00:25:28,402
I don't want that. So anyway, friend
Pendant two is out there.

647
00:25:28,402 --> 00:25:30,583
Don't recommend buying it, but it's out
there.

648
00:25:30,583 --> 00:25:34,025
OpenAI had a response to the Apple
lawsuit,

649
00:25:34,025 --> 00:25:36,115
which we covered it two weeks ago,

650
00:25:36,115 --> 00:25:41,347
but you know, Apple is suing OpenAI over
trade secrets and former Apple employees

651
00:25:41,347 --> 00:25:43,588
bringing stuff to interviews at OpenAI.

652
00:25:43,588 --> 00:25:45,569
Well, OpenAI posted a response.

653
00:25:45,569 --> 00:25:50,131
It is a blog post on the website and the
title is Apple is getting this wrong.

654
00:25:51,075 --> 00:25:56,518
And there's actually a really long
screenshot of iMessage conversation from

655
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,450
the former Apple employees and what they
were asked to do.

656
00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:04,103
And OpenAI is trying to prove that they
didn't do trade secrets,

657
00:26:04,103 --> 00:26:07,205
but but or something. But one,

658
00:26:07,205 --> 00:26:10,227
it seems like ~ not petty,

659
00:26:10,227 --> 00:26:12,418
but it seems odd to like write a whole
blog post on this when this

660
00:26:12,418 --> 00:26:15,710
is actually a legal court case that
Apple's going after them in court,

661
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:16,951
like to do this thing.

662
00:26:17,604 --> 00:26:20,430
And I don't know if there's actually been
an official legal response

663
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:23,557
yet from OpenAI. So instead they just
posted a blog.

664
00:26:23,557 --> 00:26:25,642
I don't know. It just seems odd.

665
00:26:25,642 --> 00:26:26,642
Seems odd.

666
00:26:26,415 --> 00:26:28,086
Well, it seems odd in a couple different
ways.

667
00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:31,358
One, I read the blog post and

668
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:32,010
Okay.

669
00:26:31,358 --> 00:26:35,391
I read through the entire messages thing,

670
00:26:35,391 --> 00:26:36,391
which the

671
00:26:35,437 --> 00:26:36,437
Thread, yeah.

672
00:26:36,382 --> 00:26:38,193
thing about posting receipts

673
00:26:39,232 --> 00:26:40,232
Right.

674
00:26:39,794 --> 00:26:42,376
is if you post receipts and you redact a
bunch of stuff,

675
00:26:42,376 --> 00:26:44,988
then it's like, okay, well, this isn't
actually a receipt.

676
00:26:44,988 --> 00:26:47,119
You didn't just take a picture of the
receipt and post it.

677
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,480
You took a picture of the receipt,

678
00:26:47,331 --> 00:26:48,331
Right, you doctored

679
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:50,522
you put it into Photoshop. So how do I
know?

680
00:26:50,522 --> 00:26:52,123
Like, fine, there's that piece of it.

681
00:26:52,123 --> 00:26:55,385
But also, I have absolutely no friggin'
idea.

682
00:26:55,607 --> 00:26:58,750
What this thread is saying? It's I it
makes

683
00:26:57,567 --> 00:26:58,708
I don't either. Yeah.

684
00:26:58,750 --> 00:27:02,323
no sense. And and I don't understand how
it's helpful to open AI.

685
00:27:02,323 --> 00:27:03,323
It's like

686
00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:03,539
Yeah.

687
00:27:02,903 --> 00:27:05,525
people were asking people, they don't know
who these people are.

688
00:27:05,525 --> 00:27:07,907
Maybe the new Chang it says. I don't even
understand.

689
00:27:07,907 --> 00:27:09,239
Like it's

690
00:27:08,171 --> 00:27:09,187
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

691
00:27:09,239 --> 00:27:10,780
like, what is this even doing?

692
00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:16,885
So it's sort of like you got accused of
lifting some stuff from the from

693
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,148
the from work or whatever. And so you
posted a thread about you

694
00:27:20,148 --> 00:27:21,419
and your wife planning a vacation.

695
00:27:21,419 --> 00:27:23,701
Like, see? Like I don't it's like I don't
understand.

696
00:27:23,701 --> 00:27:24,701
Like

697
00:27:24,035 --> 00:27:25,451
What is this even supposed to be showing?

698
00:27:24,065 --> 00:27:25,863
Yeah. I'm

699
00:27:25,451 --> 00:27:26,451
So

700
00:27:25,924 --> 00:27:27,342
I made it halfway through this
conversation,

701
00:27:27,342 --> 00:27:29,469
I was like, This I don't know what this is
saying.

702
00:27:29,687 --> 00:27:32,385
It does actually feel like the parts you
redacted were super important

703
00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:34,952
for me to understand what's actually
happening right here.

704
00:27:35,158 --> 00:27:36,158
Right,

705
00:27:35,468 --> 00:27:37,001
like some some of the redacted items,

706
00:27:37,001 --> 00:27:39,165
which it just has in square brackets,

707
00:27:39,165 --> 00:27:41,623
like redacted Apple information.

708
00:27:41,623 --> 00:27:43,814
It's like, well, that could be really
important,

709
00:27:41,914 --> 00:27:45,215
Yeah. It's like but it's also

710
00:27:43,814 --> 00:27:45,076
right? Like

711
00:27:45,215 --> 00:27:46,695
like without some explanation,

712
00:27:46,695 --> 00:27:49,876
it says messages between Chang Lu and
Apple employees.

713
00:27:49,876 --> 00:27:54,477
So what you're saying is that this is
multiple threads of chats or is this

714
00:27:54,477 --> 00:27:59,758
a group chat? Because there's no
identifying anything throughout this whole
thing,

715
00:27:59,758 --> 00:28:01,479
which is not the way messages work.

716
00:28:01,479 --> 00:28:04,580
So this is clearly just a photoshopped
thing that you made.

717
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:08,120
Now maybe it's representative of words
that were actually typed back and forth,

718
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,191
but this is not a receipt. So it's like

719
00:28:10,783 --> 00:28:15,666
not very helpful. Also, you mentioned yes,

720
00:28:15,666 --> 00:28:18,718
this is a lawsuit, which is a court thing.

721
00:28:18,718 --> 00:28:20,890
But the only reason Apple filed this
lawsuit,

722
00:28:20,890 --> 00:28:23,151
as we talked about before, was for it to
be very public.

723
00:28:23,151 --> 00:28:25,223
It was written for public consumption.

724
00:28:25,223 --> 00:28:28,709
Everything about the way Apple wrote its
lawsuit was meant to be

725
00:28:28,709 --> 00:28:32,658
re read and reported on, which is why
OpenAI is responding this way.

726
00:28:32,658 --> 00:28:34,309
This is they want this fight. Well,

727
00:28:34,309 --> 00:28:35,920
I don't know that OpenAI wants this fight,

728
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,033
but the people who are making the
decisions about how to fight this want
this fight.

729
00:28:41,717 --> 00:28:44,748
I I would just like to do a dramatic
reading of

730
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:45,399
Please.

731
00:28:45,028 --> 00:28:48,849
of three messages and this is from the
screenshot on OpenAI's blog.

732
00:28:48,849 --> 00:28:52,210
This is what it says. Redacted Apple
information,

733
00:28:52,210 --> 00:28:56,121
make a redacted Apple information because
of that redacted Apple information ramp

734
00:28:56,121 --> 00:28:59,822
time. Next message. Redacted Apple
information is in March.

735
00:28:59,822 --> 00:29:01,803
Will redacted Apple information prototype
build,

736
00:29:01,803 --> 00:29:03,553
but too late for redacted Apple
information.

737
00:29:03,553 --> 00:29:06,134
What? What is that supposed to tell us?

738
00:29:06,134 --> 00:29:08,454
It seems like you hate a lot of stuff.

739
00:29:08,454 --> 00:29:10,135
That that's what I get from that.

740
00:29:09,027 --> 00:29:10,249
Yeah. I don't

741
00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:12,133
even know what it means. Like awesome.

742
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:14,087
I was thinking what

743
00:29:14,391 --> 00:29:15,391
Redact yeah, like

744
00:29:15,291 --> 00:29:17,472
the next message it says redacted apple
information one,

745
00:29:17,472 --> 00:29:19,973
two, three, four, five, six times.

746
00:29:19,973 --> 00:29:22,074
It's like, and then I think we are
aligned,

747
00:29:22,074 --> 00:29:24,315
smiley face emoji. If anything,

748
00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:28,967
it reveals how weird some of these tech
people in Silicon Valley communicate.

749
00:29:28,967 --> 00:29:30,828
Like some of these messages back and
forth,

750
00:29:30,828 --> 00:29:35,800
if real, which again, like you obviously
have to doctor this screenshot

751
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,112
up a lot because that's a lot of redacted
Apple information that you

752
00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:42,443
put on all these messages. I'm just less
likely inclined to believe.

753
00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:45,601
how real this is anyway, 'cause I don't
know,

754
00:29:45,601 --> 00:29:46,601
you adjusted

755
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Yeah.

756
00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:46,951
a bunch stuff.

757
00:29:46,601 --> 00:29:48,161
That feels weird. I don't know.

758
00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,342
We'll see. We still have to see what comes
from that lawsuit.

759
00:29:50,342 --> 00:29:54,623
But just another point about open AI and
weirdness before we get

760
00:29:54,623 --> 00:29:59,624
to the Google Fitbit. He tweeted this on X
and I don't know.

761
00:29:59,624 --> 00:30:01,765
If you don't know how you feel about Sam
Altman,

762
00:30:01,765 --> 00:30:03,265
maybe this might be a point of
information.

763
00:30:03,265 --> 00:30:07,106
He t he just tweets this randomly at at
noon in the middle of the day.

764
00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:09,867
Cool use of ChatGPT work I heard last
night.

765
00:30:09,867 --> 00:30:11,597
Connect your family calendars.

766
00:30:11,851 --> 00:30:13,572
And explain your kids' interests.

767
00:30:13,572 --> 00:30:15,774
Then every morning for the drive to
school,

768
00:30:15,774 --> 00:30:20,317
have it make a podcast that talks about
one kid's soccer game that afternoon,

769
00:30:20,317 --> 00:30:23,179
one kid's upcoming birthday, some news,

770
00:30:23,179 --> 00:30:29,694
etc. So have ChatGPT make up stories about
events that are happening

771
00:30:29,694 --> 00:30:31,655
in the future in the car ride with your
kids,

772
00:30:31,655 --> 00:30:34,407
which you're a parent, Jason. I think you
know,

773
00:30:34,407 --> 00:30:38,880
and parents out there, car time and
talking is some of the most valuable time

774
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,341
you have with your kids, especially as
they get older.

775
00:30:40,843 --> 00:30:43,588
I think that's a terrible idea to just
generate a podcast and listen to that.

776
00:30:43,588 --> 00:30:44,797
I don't know.

777
00:30:44,557 --> 00:30:45,557
Yeah, I was

778
00:30:44,957 --> 00:30:50,112
wrong earlier when I talked about the meta
browser disclosure thing being

779
00:30:50,112 --> 00:30:52,184
the most dystopian thing I've heard in a
long time.

780
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,536
This is actually definitely the most
dystopian thing.

781
00:30:53,591 --> 00:30:55,220
This Yeah.

782
00:30:54,536 --> 00:30:55,536
And this is the

783
00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:57,549
most software brain anything has ever
been.

784
00:30:57,549 --> 00:31:01,192
Because I mean, I think Sam Allman has a
child.

785
00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:02,283
We saw the photos that

786
00:31:01,889 --> 00:31:02,889
Yes.

787
00:31:02,283 --> 00:31:05,356
he posted in defense of the people who
were doxing him or whatever,

788
00:31:05,356 --> 00:31:08,529
which was a bad idea. But this is even
worse.

789
00:31:08,529 --> 00:31:10,511
So I can imagine at that stage of
parenting,

790
00:31:10,511 --> 00:31:11,511
you just

791
00:31:11,097 --> 00:31:14,519
You can imagine all the ways that this
technology in the future will enhance your

792
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,321
life. This is just not one of those ways,

793
00:31:16,321 --> 00:31:21,104
right? First of all, yes, car time with
your children is extremely valuable.

794
00:31:21,104 --> 00:31:23,205
It's also can be excruciating.

795
00:31:23,205 --> 00:31:24,205
And if I

796
00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:24,756
Sure.

797
00:31:24,106 --> 00:31:27,659
told my children that the thing we were
going to do on the way to soccer practice

798
00:31:27,659 --> 00:31:31,311
is listen to a podcast I generated with
Chad GPT about all of the things that they

799
00:31:31,311 --> 00:31:33,773
are doing today, they would literally jump
out of a moving car,

800
00:31:33,773 --> 00:31:34,773
Steven.

801
00:31:34,972 --> 00:31:36,954
One of the replies under Sam Alman's
tweet,

802
00:31:36,954 --> 00:31:39,496
someone says as if they were the kid
talking,

803
00:31:39,496 --> 00:31:42,548
Yeah, my dad AI generates podcasts about
my upcoming birthday instead

804
00:31:42,548 --> 00:31:44,021
of talking to me while we drive to school.

805
00:31:44,021 --> 00:31:46,824
Not something I would want my kids to say.

806
00:31:47,084 --> 00:31:48,084
Right.

807
00:31:48,626 --> 00:31:53,100
Anyway, that is yeah. His Twitter bio is
still AI is cool,

808
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,100
I guess.

809
00:31:55,703 --> 00:31:59,146
Dude. I I'm not sure. Maybe maybe the
friend AI pinned in is for him.

810
00:31:59,146 --> 00:32:02,239
~ other let's talk about Fitbit,

811
00:32:02,239 --> 00:32:04,231
because you put this article in here and
it was interesting because when

812
00:32:04,231 --> 00:32:06,914
the Fitbit Air came out, which is a Google
product now,

813
00:32:06,914 --> 00:32:11,498
everyone was railing about how the app
experience was bad and that's what would
made

814
00:32:11,498 --> 00:32:13,560
the Google Fitbit Air maybe a bad
experience.

815
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,142
But now it just integrates with Apple
Health.

816
00:32:15,142 --> 00:32:16,213
That's cool.

817
00:32:15,694 --> 00:32:16,694
Yeah, that seemed

818
00:32:16,314 --> 00:32:18,766
like news. I will be honest, I didn't I
don't have a fit bit.

819
00:32:18,766 --> 00:32:22,629
I didn't dig into this, but that does seem
like a big deal because it is

820
00:32:22,629 --> 00:32:25,304
one of the the things that people have I I
don't know,

821
00:32:25,304 --> 00:32:26,671
complained about. It's like you have all

822
00:32:26,241 --> 00:32:27,241
Yeah.

823
00:32:26,671 --> 00:32:29,693
these different ecosystems and you have to
be in like to multiple ones.

824
00:32:29,693 --> 00:32:34,527
Like we have the Google smart hub thing
and it will like tell

825
00:32:34,527 --> 00:32:36,218
you your sleep patterns or something like
that.

826
00:32:36,218 --> 00:32:37,901
But you have to use the Google Health app
for that.

827
00:32:37,901 --> 00:32:39,560
And you gotta use the Apple Health for
this.

828
00:32:39,884 --> 00:32:41,656
Yesterday Beth was asking me, my wife,

829
00:32:41,656 --> 00:32:43,757
she's like something about where do I get
my sleep score from?

830
00:32:43,757 --> 00:32:45,729
Because she started wearing her watch to
sleep.

831
00:32:45,729 --> 00:32:47,757
Well, what she meant was sleep plus plus,

832
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:49,112
which she has on her phone and her watch.

833
00:32:49,112 --> 00:32:50,173
I just had to point her to it.

834
00:32:50,173 --> 00:32:52,655
But I was like, you go to the health app
and it's like,

835
00:32:52,655 --> 00:32:54,257
yeah, there's a section for sleep.

836
00:32:54,257 --> 00:32:56,499
Yeah, you can find some things.

837
00:32:56,499 --> 00:33:01,303
It's not great, but this is at least one
good step in a positive direction where

838
00:33:01,543 --> 00:33:02,825
whatever wearable you're wearing,

839
00:33:02,825 --> 00:33:04,326
it'd be nice if Whoop would do this,

840
00:33:04,326 --> 00:33:06,708
but they won't, because they want you to
pay for the subscription.

841
00:33:07,081 --> 00:33:11,173
See and so Lexi Civides, who was guest
host two weeks ago,

842
00:33:11,173 --> 00:33:15,538
she did a great video on the Google Fitbit
Air and said in the video that

843
00:33:15,538 --> 00:33:18,300
the app experience was one of the worst
things about it.

844
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,283
And so again, it seems like this is a
positive move.

845
00:33:21,283 --> 00:33:23,875
I also want to mention you know,

846
00:33:23,875 --> 00:33:28,028
I s I sometimes post things on social
media of like a product that I'm trying.

847
00:33:28,028 --> 00:33:29,980
And I will say sometimes like,

848
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:32,112
Yeah, I think I'm gonna do a video on this
or a video soon.

849
00:33:32,112 --> 00:33:33,653
And I just want everybody to know,

850
00:33:33,653 --> 00:33:35,945
if you see me post something like that on
social media

851
00:33:36,831 --> 00:33:39,052
And then I never make a video about it.

852
00:33:39,052 --> 00:33:41,932
It's because either it was bad or I didn't
like it.

853
00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:45,733
And and to make a video about how
something was bad and I didn't like it,

854
00:33:45,733 --> 00:33:48,314
like that is a thing you can do and maybe
it gets views,

855
00:33:48,314 --> 00:33:52,855
but I choose not to do that. And one of
the things that happened with recently

856
00:33:52,855 --> 00:33:55,596
was the Aura Ring five. It came out.

857
00:33:55,596 --> 00:33:57,987
~ I thought about talking about it in
personal tech,

858
00:33:57,987 --> 00:34:02,688
but it's I think just short segment I
could just mention here because it was
fine.

859
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:06,591
But it didn't offer any value over my
Apple Watch to me.

860
00:34:06,591 --> 00:34:10,152
And it is a subscription you have to pay
for if you want all the data.

861
00:34:10,152 --> 00:34:15,554
And maybe if you're like really wanting to
track a bunch of things

862
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,654
in relation to your fitness and all that
stuff,

863
00:34:17,654 --> 00:34:21,926
maybe it'll be good. But I also read the
article that again Lexi pointed

864
00:34:21,926 --> 00:34:25,597
me to from the Wall Street Journal about
and I put it in the show notes last week,

865
00:34:25,597 --> 00:34:27,357
I think, or two weeks ago when she was on
the show,

866
00:34:27,357 --> 00:34:29,670
of the person who

867
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:32,661
Tested scientifically all the Fitbit
tracker,

868
00:34:32,661 --> 00:34:36,964
all the fitness trackers, did like a sleep
study at a sleep facility,

869
00:34:36,964 --> 00:34:39,235
compared it to the data she got from the
devices.

870
00:34:39,235 --> 00:34:42,897
Turns out the Apple Watch is actually one
of the best and most accurate devices

871
00:34:43,277 --> 00:34:46,324
of all of them, especially when it comes
to heart rate and all of that stuff.

872
00:34:46,324 --> 00:34:49,300
So I was like, well, I'm wearing probably
the most accurate device.

873
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,102
I don't need a second device. And so I
returned it.

874
00:34:52,102 --> 00:34:53,923
And I stopped paying the subscription
because I don't need it.

875
00:34:53,923 --> 00:34:56,944
And also, side note, I was wearing it on
my right hand pointer.

876
00:34:56,944 --> 00:34:59,936
And whenever I would hold my phone.

877
00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:03,243
I would feel the ring rub against the side
of my iPhone,

878
00:35:03,243 --> 00:35:04,904
which doesn't have a case. And I was like,

879
00:35:03,438 --> 00:35:04,996
That's not great. That's not great.

880
00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:06,656
you know what? For that reason alone,

881
00:35:04,996 --> 00:35:07,501
That's not great.

882
00:35:06,656 --> 00:35:07,656
I think

883
00:35:07,657 --> 00:35:09,609
I don't want it. And some you know,

884
00:35:09,609 --> 00:35:11,801
if you wore it as a wedding band,

885
00:35:11,801 --> 00:35:14,804
maybe that would be so you don't have to,

886
00:35:14,804 --> 00:35:18,899
you know, wear two rings, but that also
feels like I don't know if I want

887
00:35:18,899 --> 00:35:20,229
to wear that as my wedding band,

888
00:35:20,229 --> 00:35:21,229
so no.

889
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:24,363
Fair, I'm going to do something real
quick.

890
00:35:24,363 --> 00:35:29,209
I'm gonna ask Claude Cowork to make me a
list of the worst products

891
00:35:29,389 --> 00:35:33,794
as defined by things Steven Robles talked
about in an Instagram reel

892
00:35:33,974 --> 00:35:35,776
but never made a YouTube video.

893
00:35:34,019 --> 00:35:35,822
~

894
00:35:35,822 --> 00:35:38,186
No no no it's a it's a threads post,

895
00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:39,223
Threads post.

896
00:35:38,186 --> 00:35:39,368
but no video.

897
00:35:39,368 --> 00:35:42,222
Cause what I'll do is I'll post a picture
of a thing that I got and

898
00:35:42,222 --> 00:35:45,467
I'm excited to try. And then if you never
hear me talk about it again,

899
00:35:45,467 --> 00:35:47,701
it's because it was mediocre, bad,

900
00:35:47,701 --> 00:35:48,701
or I didn't care for it.

901
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,200
Okay. Based on things

902
00:35:51,474 --> 00:35:52,745
Well, I'll give you one other example

903
00:35:52,745 --> 00:35:53,855
just if people were wondering.

904
00:35:53,855 --> 00:36:00,217
I saw every I saw a lot of creators on
Instagram get these headphones from

905
00:36:00,217 --> 00:36:02,377
a new audio brand called Daisy.

906
00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:05,258
They're in San Francisco. It's a new audio
brand.

907
00:36:05,258 --> 00:36:07,099
The headphones looked really cool.

908
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:10,580
I kept seeing people talk about them in
Instagram reels and I I reached

909
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:11,580
out to the company. I was like,

910
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:15,621
Hey, can I get a review unit? Because I'd
like to try I review a lot of headphones.

911
00:36:15,621 --> 00:36:18,462
And they were like, Yeah, and again,

912
00:36:18,462 --> 00:36:19,462
th I don't know what any

913
00:36:19,702 --> 00:36:23,025
Deal other people made, but I'll just say
~ they told me,

914
00:36:23,025 --> 00:36:28,529
well, we want to do dedicated reviews for
in exchange for the product.

915
00:36:28,529 --> 00:36:29,831
Are you willing to do a dedicated video?

916
00:36:29,831 --> 00:36:31,212
And I was like, I'm not guaranteeing that,

917
00:36:31,212 --> 00:36:33,157
so no, I'm not gonna do that. And they're
like,

918
00:36:33,157 --> 00:36:38,498
okay, well, no. Okay. so I just bought
them and wanted to try them.

919
00:36:38,498 --> 00:36:40,169
And they're interesting hardware,

920
00:36:40,169 --> 00:36:44,963
they looked cool. Their little digital
take on the digital crown was kind of fun,

921
00:36:44,963 --> 00:36:48,046
but they didn't sound incredible.

922
00:36:48,288 --> 00:36:50,940
Like AirPods Macs are better, Sonos Ace
are better,

923
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:54,003
the noise canceling was fine, but it
wasn't better.

924
00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,225
Like the biggest selling feature was they
looked cool.

925
00:36:56,225 --> 00:36:58,722
They came in a fun blue and it was an
interesting design.

926
00:36:58,722 --> 00:37:00,789
And it's like, well, that's not a whole
YouTube video.

927
00:37:00,789 --> 00:37:04,382
And also, like, I will just say that
AirPods Macs are better a lot of times

928
00:37:04,382 --> 00:37:06,074
in the video. So I'm not going to do that
video.

929
00:37:06,074 --> 00:37:07,716
So I didn't make it. So I posted about it,

930
00:37:07,716 --> 00:37:09,557
but I didn't talk about it. Like I didn't
make the video,

931
00:37:09,557 --> 00:37:10,938
and that was just another example.

932
00:37:10,938 --> 00:37:15,452
So there you go. I would love to know what
it comes up with.

933
00:37:12,172 --> 00:37:14,034
Well Clog Cowork is working on it right
now.

934
00:37:14,034 --> 00:37:15,586
It just

935
00:37:15,586 --> 00:37:19,099
said fetching threads dot com slash at
Steven Robles,

936
00:37:19,099 --> 00:37:21,032
checking YouTube dot com slash

937
00:37:19,666 --> 00:37:20,967
~ my, this is scary.

938
00:37:21,032 --> 00:37:23,264
at beard FM slash videos. It's doing it.

939
00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:25,332
All right, well, it does that.

940
00:37:25,332 --> 00:37:26,642
Let's take a break and we'll

941
00:37:25,779 --> 00:37:26,779
Yeah.

942
00:37:26,642 --> 00:37:28,943
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All right, what did it find, Jason?

1017
00:40:46,047 --> 00:40:48,673
it's still working. It says using Claude
in Chrome.

1018
00:40:48,673 --> 00:40:52,161
It opened a tab I see a browser tab up
here with your threads

1019
00:40:49,979 --> 00:40:51,806
~ my goodness. ~ my goodness.

1020
00:40:52,161 --> 00:40:54,717
profile. It's been working for four
minutes and forty seconds.

1021
00:40:55,443 --> 00:40:58,815
Okay, well, as that works, let's do some
other AI news because

1022
00:40:58,328 --> 00:40:59,328
Yeah.

1023
00:40:58,995 --> 00:41:01,656
Google Deep Mind had some shakeups here.

1024
00:41:01,656 --> 00:41:06,059
So Dennis Asabas, which was the we're at
the foothills of the singularity.

1025
00:41:06,059 --> 00:41:08,720
He apparently is taking his walk through
the foothills and out.

1026
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,501
Not just kidding. ~

1027
00:41:09,965 --> 00:41:11,210
He's headed up the mountain, Stephen.

1028
00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:13,443
He's headed he's headed up the mountain.

1029
00:41:13,443 --> 00:41:19,846
So he is going from ~ the he's going to
become the chair of Google Deep Mind

1030
00:41:19,886 --> 00:41:22,308
and the chief scientist at Alphabet.

1031
00:41:22,308 --> 00:41:24,769
And CEO Sundar Prachai announced this on
Wednesday.

1032
00:41:25,078 --> 00:41:27,709
He will continue to lead Alphabet's
Isomorphic Labs,

1033
00:41:27,709 --> 00:41:29,740
which aims to use AI to develop drugs.

1034
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:34,422
And then Corey I don't I don't know if I
should try to pronounce this last name.

1035
00:41:34,422 --> 00:41:38,444
I feel like it would Corey K, formerly
DeepMind CTO,

1036
00:41:38,444 --> 00:41:42,116
is stepping up to become Google's S VP of
Deep Mind and will report

1037
00:41:42,116 --> 00:41:45,188
to Sundar Pachai. So yeah, Dennis Asabas,

1038
00:41:45,188 --> 00:41:48,029
he's heading so this is up. You feel like
this is going up for him.

1039
00:41:49,908 --> 00:41:52,039
I mean, I don't actually know what this
means,

1040
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,392
Steven. I've I I it's

1041
00:41:53,193 --> 00:41:55,005
Honestly true. It's a shake up,

1042
00:41:55,005 --> 00:41:56,005
but

1043
00:41:55,412 --> 00:42:00,116
it is a shake up, but I don't really
understand why.

1044
00:42:00,116 --> 00:42:01,297
Like I don't know what it means.

1045
00:42:01,297 --> 00:42:04,240
Because the person who will he's gonna be
the chairman.

1046
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,781
Which

1047
00:42:04,725 --> 00:42:06,442
Yeah. Chief scientist.

1048
00:42:06,702 --> 00:42:08,383
well, okay, that's separate though.

1049
00:42:08,383 --> 00:42:09,383
That's

1050
00:42:08,481 --> 00:42:09,481
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:42:09,004 --> 00:42:12,677
chief scientist of alphabet. He's going to
be the chair of Google Deep Mind,

1052
00:42:12,677 --> 00:42:15,409
which makes it sound like he's the boss.

1053
00:42:15,409 --> 00:42:17,741
Okay.

1054
00:42:16,353 --> 00:42:17,468
Kind of, yeah, maybe.

1055
00:42:18,529 --> 00:42:22,953
But this other person who was formerly
Deep Mind CTO is going to be Google's

1056
00:42:22,953 --> 00:42:27,126
SVP of Deep Mind, but will report not to
Demis Asabas,

1057
00:42:27,126 --> 00:42:28,237
but to Sundar

1058
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:28,422
Right.

1059
00:42:28,237 --> 00:42:32,811
Pachai. So this I don't know, is this like
a Phil Schiller's gonna

1060
00:42:32,811 --> 00:42:34,641
be elevated to the roof sort of thing?

1061
00:42:34,641 --> 00:42:35,893
And

1062
00:42:35,102 --> 00:42:36,102
Right.

1063
00:42:35,893 --> 00:42:38,956
none of the people, you know, Greg Josbyak
doesn't report to Phil Schiller.

1064
00:42:38,956 --> 00:42:40,637
He reports to Tim Cook and then John
Turner.

1065
00:42:40,637 --> 00:42:42,479
Like, I don't understand is it that kind
of thing?

1066
00:42:42,479 --> 00:42:45,521
Or is this like something because for all
intents and purposes,

1067
00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:47,693
like, I don't think Demis Osabas was.

1068
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:49,319
in

1069
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:51,520
a bad situation. Like I don't think people
are pushing him out.

1070
00:42:50,047 --> 00:42:52,163
I mean no, and

1071
00:42:52,163 --> 00:42:53,537
he was like in the Google I.O.

1072
00:42:53,537 --> 00:42:55,443
keynote just a couple of months ago.

1073
00:42:55,287 --> 00:42:56,287
Yeah,

1074
00:42:55,607 --> 00:42:58,060
I mean he was like just dwelling in those
foothills.

1075
00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:01,474
Like it like the s singularity is
everywhere.

1076
00:42:58,357 --> 00:43:01,950
He cl he closed the keynote. Yeah,

1077
00:43:01,474 --> 00:43:02,474
So I don't know.

1078
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:02,950
so I

1079
00:43:02,577 --> 00:43:05,653
don't know. Maybe maybe he just needs room
for really big ideas

1080
00:43:05,653 --> 00:43:07,831
and foothills and singularities.

1081
00:43:07,831 --> 00:43:10,116
I don't know. So anyway, that was a Google
Shakeup,

1082
00:43:10,116 --> 00:43:15,851
but wanted to mention that in also
connected to a Google AI faux pas,

1083
00:43:15,851 --> 00:43:22,437
a misstep, I will say, which is that
Google A Earth AI,

1084
00:43:22,437 --> 00:43:27,761
they had rolled out a feature that would
allow people to generate

1085
00:43:28,316 --> 00:43:33,549
AI imagery or change satellite imagery of
Google Maps using AI,

1086
00:43:33,549 --> 00:43:38,453
and apparently thought what could possibly
go wrong?

1087
00:43:38,667 --> 00:43:39,667
This is so bad.

1088
00:43:39,874 --> 00:43:44,887
Guess what? It's really bad because
Google's satellite imagery,

1089
00:43:44,887 --> 00:43:46,058
Google Maps satellite imagery,

1090
00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:50,041
probably one of the most used sources of
information for people,

1091
00:43:50,041 --> 00:43:53,703
either just for the images or research or
whatever,

1092
00:43:53,703 --> 00:43:56,525
and to let people create and generate.

1093
00:43:57,041 --> 00:44:00,583
AI stuff to make it look like the maps are
doing things they're not.

1094
00:44:00,583 --> 00:44:04,004
For instance, here here's an Apple News
article with new ads here.

1095
00:44:04,004 --> 00:44:06,255
Okay, I'm gonna install a chairlift in my
house,

1096
00:44:06,255 --> 00:44:11,267
apparently. Things like the Washington
Monument with a big crater next to it.

1097
00:44:11,267 --> 00:44:13,568
Like someone generated that using this,

1098
00:44:13,568 --> 00:44:17,390
it was Google's feature. Google AI feature
and Google Earth.

1099
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:19,871
They generated a big old crater next to
Washington Monument.

1100
00:44:19,871 --> 00:44:23,116
And you could again, this is the kind of
stuff you see on social media,

1101
00:44:23,116 --> 00:44:24,116
and you have to be like, wait a minute,

1102
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:24,639
Right.

1103
00:44:24,193 --> 00:44:25,193
did that

1104
00:44:24,843 --> 00:44:27,474
Did that happen? Like did were we hit by a
meteor or something?

1105
00:44:27,474 --> 00:44:31,926
~ another example. A bunch of tanks
rolling across the Golden Gate Bridge

1106
00:44:31,926 --> 00:44:34,977
in San Francisco. That was created with
this AI imagery.

1107
00:44:34,977 --> 00:44:38,999
Like, bad idea. Not something you want
spreading online.

1108
00:44:38,999 --> 00:44:43,201
Also, images of things like riots in
Mexico City's Zocalo.

1109
00:44:43,201 --> 00:44:46,152
Bad like this is this is a terrible idea.

1110
00:44:46,152 --> 00:44:47,382
Google rolled back this feature,

1111
00:44:47,382 --> 00:44:50,954
you can't do it anymore. But like I I I
wish I could have been in

1112
00:44:50,954 --> 00:44:53,493
the board meeting to say who said like
yes.

1113
00:44:53,983 --> 00:44:56,823
We should let people do that. That's a
great idea.

1114
00:44:56,823 --> 00:44:58,128
'Cause somebody had to approve it.

1115
00:44:58,128 --> 00:44:59,243
Like I don't know.

1116
00:44:59,713 --> 00:45:04,724
Well, I mean, at Google, the thing is like
the ability to prove approve sort

1117
00:45:04,724 --> 00:45:08,946
of this sort of thing feels like it
happens at a level because this is

1118
00:45:08,946 --> 00:45:12,947
not the first time Google has had a major
football when it comes

1119
00:45:12,947 --> 00:45:19,508
to image generation restrictions or
permissions when it comes to its AI stuff,

1120
00:45:19,508 --> 00:45:23,830
right? And I mean this is the this is the
one where it literally wouldn't create

1121
00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:26,950
an accurate photo of the founding fathers.

1122
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:28,651
Okay.

1123
00:45:27,529 --> 00:45:28,682
Yes. That's

1124
00:45:28,682 --> 00:45:30,537
right. We we know, yeah.

1125
00:45:29,494 --> 00:45:30,695
I s I just I'm

1126
00:45:30,695 --> 00:45:34,478
just saying like Google it seems like
maybe things are little bit

1127
00:45:34,478 --> 00:45:37,430
too loosey goosey fly by the sea to pants
over there.

1128
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:38,430
Like no

1129
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:38,599
Yeah.

1130
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,402
one is thinking what what could be the
downstream effects of whatever thing we're

1131
00:45:41,402 --> 00:45:43,954
about to do. And it what they're trying to
do is saying,

1132
00:45:43,954 --> 00:45:48,037
like, we just need to create more reasons
for people to be using Google Maps.

1133
00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:51,610
look, I'm an Apple Maps fan. Like I prefer
Apple Maps.

1134
00:45:51,610 --> 00:45:52,610
That's what I use.

1135
00:45:51,914 --> 00:45:52,914
Same, yeah.

1136
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:55,162
But doesn't basically the entire world use
Google Maps?

1137
00:45:55,162 --> 00:45:56,203
Like is aren't they fine?

1138
00:45:56,936 --> 00:45:58,027
I would think they would be fine.

1139
00:45:58,027 --> 00:45:59,667
I don't know why they had to release this
feature.

1140
00:45:59,667 --> 00:46:00,899
I don't know who was benefiting.

1141
00:46:00,899 --> 00:46:03,340
It was a nano banana feature. I don't
know.

1142
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:09,405
I will say just on the rise of AI
generated slop on the internet and social
media.

1143
00:46:09,405 --> 00:46:15,132
Again, I was I my I saw my wife scrolling
and she wanted to show me something.

1144
00:46:15,132 --> 00:46:18,036
That's why I was looking. She showed me
this ad.

1145
00:46:18,036 --> 00:46:21,473
It was a plantar fasciitis ad.

1146
00:46:21,473 --> 00:46:23,835
It was like something to treat plantar
fasciitis.

1147
00:46:23,835 --> 00:46:25,736
The entire video

1148
00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:29,531
was an animated foot talking,

1149
00:46:29,531 --> 00:46:34,195
clearly AI generated foot, clearly AI
generated voice.

1150
00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:37,578
And I don't know, like the ads are very
long.

1151
00:46:37,578 --> 00:46:39,699
It was like a three minute video.

1152
00:46:39,699 --> 00:46:44,834
And I just have to imagine that some
company who had a plantar fasciitis
product

1153
00:46:44,834 --> 00:46:46,696
was like, Facebook, I need an ad.

1154
00:46:46,696 --> 00:46:49,148
And people was like, Bro, we got this.

1155
00:46:49,148 --> 00:46:53,982
We got this. I'm gonna give you a three
minute video of a animation like

1156
00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:59,582
Not you know, a computer animated video of
a foot talking about your product.

1157
00:46:59,582 --> 00:47:01,213
It's gonna be awesome. And someone said,

1158
00:47:01,213 --> 00:47:04,855
Cool, I'll give you money and you put that
on Facebook's people's Facebook speed.

1159
00:47:04,855 --> 00:47:08,087
I just crazy. Crazy stuff out there.

1160
00:47:08,087 --> 00:47:09,448
Be safe out be safe out there,

1161
00:47:09,448 --> 00:47:13,550
kids. Be safe out there. Look look in your
Halloween candy for AI slop.

1162
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:17,186
Cause you never know. You never know when
it's gonna pop up.

1163
00:47:17,153 --> 00:47:18,153
You

1164
00:47:17,403 --> 00:47:20,496
never know when you're gonna get an AI
generated photo of tanks on

1165
00:47:20,496 --> 00:47:23,199
the Golden Gate Bridge in your Halloween
candy.

1166
00:47:21,502 --> 00:47:23,597
It's true. That's

1167
00:47:23,597 --> 00:47:26,042
exactly right. is Claude Co, did it find
anything yet?

1168
00:47:26,042 --> 00:47:27,042
Is still looking?

1169
00:47:27,105 --> 00:47:28,779
I'm still clicking allow for this website,

1170
00:47:28,779 --> 00:47:29,908
allow for this website.

1171
00:47:29,621 --> 00:47:30,621
Bypass

1172
00:47:30,161 --> 00:47:32,582
permissions, Jason. Just bypass
permissions.

1173
00:47:32,582 --> 00:47:36,063
I've given in. When I'm when I'm vibe
coding my apps,

1174
00:47:36,063 --> 00:47:38,724
I'm like, bypass permissions, allow all.

1175
00:47:38,724 --> 00:47:41,025
Yes to everything. I'll see ya later.

1176
00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:43,746
And I leave the room. I don't know what
Cloud Code's doing in this room when

1177
00:47:43,746 --> 00:47:45,907
I'm not here, but I come back and there's
an app.

1178
00:47:45,907 --> 00:47:48,638
So it's gotta be doing something,

1179
00:47:48,638 --> 00:47:51,489
right? Anyway, I have a second app coming
out.

1180
00:47:51,489 --> 00:47:54,470
~ we'll talk about the test flight beta
maybe in that bonus

1181
00:47:54,251 --> 00:47:55,999
Is it a browser? I'm scared.

1182
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:55,470
episode.

1183
00:47:56,491 --> 00:47:58,392
It's not a browser. It is not a browser.

1184
00:47:58,734 --> 00:48:02,087
I will tease up. No, we I want to talk
about Hank Green and AI content.

1185
00:48:02,087 --> 00:48:04,078
Since we're talking about AI, that's the
bonus episode.

1186
00:48:04,078 --> 00:48:06,891
So stay tuned. You can get the deal if
you're not already a member down

1187
00:48:06,891 --> 00:48:08,372
in the show notes. All right, well,

1188
00:48:08,372 --> 00:48:09,533
I want to get to bending spoons,

1189
00:48:09,533 --> 00:48:13,566
but before we do, one other AI maybe not
doing great things.

1190
00:48:13,566 --> 00:48:17,039
Anthropic says Claude accidentally hacked
a bunch of companies too.

1191
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,152
And so we talked about the open AI thing
and how it hacked Hugging Face,

1192
00:48:21,152 --> 00:48:23,044
a company never had heard of. Well,

1193
00:48:23,044 --> 00:48:28,218
Anthropic in a blog post said Claude
gained unauthorized access access to

1194
00:48:28,650 --> 00:48:31,481
To systems during cybersecurity
evaluations.

1195
00:48:31,481 --> 00:48:34,861
All of the attacks happened during quote
capture the flag exercises,

1196
00:48:34,861 --> 00:48:36,684
a common way of testing hacking ability.

1197
00:48:36,684 --> 00:48:39,025
By Anthropic's account, the oldest model,

1198
00:48:39,025 --> 00:48:42,226
Opus 4.7, as it was doing these
activities,

1199
00:48:42,226 --> 00:48:44,866
recognized it had reached a real system,

1200
00:48:44,866 --> 00:48:47,609
but continued its attack. Okay.

1201
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:51,740
The flagship Mythos V model figured out it
was using the internet,

1202
00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:55,152
but somehow reasoned this was all still
part of the simulation and so continued.

1203
00:48:55,668 --> 00:48:57,419
And so even though there were some
guardrails of like,

1204
00:48:57,419 --> 00:48:58,689
hey, don't access the internet,

1205
00:48:58,689 --> 00:49:02,301
Mythos 5 was like, this is probably part
of the whole game,

1206
00:49:02,301 --> 00:49:03,951
right? This is like the what is it,

1207
00:49:03,951 --> 00:49:05,552
Kobiyashi Maru from Star Trek?

1208
00:49:05,552 --> 00:49:11,484
I can I can figure this out. And so
Claude's been it did break containment
just like

1209
00:49:11,484 --> 00:49:18,047
OpenAI's model did. And Claude also has
rogue AI agents creating fake online

1210
00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:23,439
identities. And this is from a report from
the UK's AI Security Institute.

1211
00:49:23,439 --> 00:49:24,980
So this is the UK.

1212
00:49:25,521 --> 00:49:29,503
AI, something like that, or AISI,

1213
00:49:29,503 --> 00:49:33,455
AI Security Institute, sorry. And they
evaluate frontier models from

1214
00:49:33,455 --> 00:49:38,428
AI labs and stuff. And they found that
potentially harmful activity were directed

1215
00:49:38,428 --> 00:49:40,389
at real people and organizations.

1216
00:49:40,389 --> 00:49:45,151
This included trying to insert malicious
code into an open source project

1217
00:49:45,251 --> 00:49:48,533
by pressuring real people in charge of it.

1218
00:49:48,533 --> 00:49:51,785
Meaning these AI models were doing what is
it,

1219
00:49:51,785 --> 00:49:54,586
a phishing scam or a social social
engineering.

1220
00:49:55,316 --> 00:49:57,011
Social what is the is that the word for
it?

1221
00:49:57,386 --> 00:50:00,061
Yeah, where you're trying to get someone
to like you're sending them

1222
00:50:00,061 --> 00:50:02,455
an email making it seem like we need you
to log into your bank account

1223
00:50:02,455 --> 00:50:03,455
and correct some information.

1224
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:08,483
Right, the yeah, social engineering where
this is typically scammers trying

1225
00:50:08,483 --> 00:50:10,425
to trick people into giving up
information.

1226
00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:14,948
Well, guess what? The models are now
capable of social engineering trying

1227
00:50:14,948 --> 00:50:19,811
to pressure real people to give that
access to systems.

1228
00:50:19,811 --> 00:50:25,475
Again, I will just say the Jurassic Park
AI analogy I think is very adept.

1229
00:50:25,475 --> 00:50:29,498
Whoever's building the fences maybe should
double check.

1230
00:50:29,498 --> 00:50:32,050
Maybe work on the fences. I don't know.

1231
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:32,690
Or just

1232
00:50:32,131 --> 00:50:33,933
don't fill them with velociraptors.

1233
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:36,237
You

1234
00:50:34,093 --> 00:50:35,093
Or that that.

1235
00:50:36,237 --> 00:50:38,330
could have bred any number of dinosaurs.

1236
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:39,782
Just why that one?

1237
00:50:40,544 --> 00:50:42,743
Don't don't do that. Just don't do that.

1238
00:50:42,743 --> 00:50:43,918
So ~ yeah.

1239
00:50:43,682 --> 00:50:44,682
Truthfully, Steven,

1240
00:50:44,454 --> 00:50:47,451
are you more scared by the idea of T Rex
or Velociraptors?

1241
00:50:47,451 --> 00:50:51,982
Absolutely. 'Cause the T Rex can't see you
if you stand still.

1242
00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:53,831
velociraptors. Yeah. Well

1243
00:50:51,982 --> 00:50:53,645
That's what we learned from Jurassic Park.

1244
00:50:53,831 --> 00:50:57,190
that and you can see the T Rex from pretty
far away.

1245
00:50:57,211 --> 00:51:00,020
That's true. And hear it and feel it
coming,

1246
00:50:59,826 --> 00:51:00,826
I f and

1247
00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:01,020
yeah.

1248
00:51:00,347 --> 00:51:03,089
I feel like, you know, the Apple
intelligence notifications for a home

1249
00:51:03,089 --> 00:51:04,741
kit secure video have gotten pretty good.

1250
00:51:04,741 --> 00:51:06,823
I think it'll tell me there's a T Rex at
my door.

1251
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,743
T Rex. That would

1252
00:51:06,823 --> 00:51:07,823
I think it'll tell me

1253
00:51:07,743 --> 00:51:10,537
be amazing. Remember when for a while when
the and the when

1254
00:51:10,537 --> 00:51:14,444
the notification summaries would be like
seventeen people are at your front door?

1255
00:51:14,444 --> 00:51:16,537
It's like, wait, what?

1256
00:51:14,588 --> 00:51:16,889
Yeah. A group I

1257
00:51:16,889 --> 00:51:19,250
still get the a group of people have rang
your doorbell.

1258
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:21,061
It's like immediate stress. And a lot

1259
00:51:19,337 --> 00:51:20,337
Yeah.

1260
00:51:21,061 --> 00:51:24,233
of times it's just like the neighborhood
friend and their their sibling or
whatever,

1261
00:51:24,233 --> 00:51:25,793
but it's like a group of people.

1262
00:51:25,793 --> 00:51:30,105
So listen, just yeah, don't don't make
velociraptors,

1263
00:51:30,105 --> 00:51:32,056
everybody. Be careful out there.

1264
00:51:32,056 --> 00:51:34,277
Look look for velociraptors in your
Halloween candy.

1265
00:51:32,384 --> 00:51:35,764
Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

1266
00:51:34,277 --> 00:51:35,778
All right.

1267
00:51:36,078 --> 00:51:39,910
So bending sp bending spoons. I've wanted
to talk about this all week.

1268
00:51:40,404 --> 00:51:45,126
Because Bending Spoon has now acquired
Airtable right after I made shortcuts that

1269
00:51:45,126 --> 00:51:47,948
work with Airtable. Bending Spoons had to
acquire it and now it's probably going

1270
00:51:47,948 --> 00:51:51,350
to ruin it. And we've taught, we've
mentioned Bending Spoon several times

1271
00:51:51,350 --> 00:51:53,791
on the show, and I got a couple questions
on social media of like,

1272
00:51:53,791 --> 00:51:55,852
why is Bending Spoons bad? Like,

1273
00:51:55,852 --> 00:51:58,573
they bought Vimeo, and that's still fine.

1274
00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:00,334
They own Eventbrite,

1275
00:51:59,329 --> 00:52:00,329
Yeah.

1276
00:52:00,634 --> 00:52:04,817
and that's o of whatever. Here's the
here's the deal.

1277
00:52:04,817 --> 00:52:09,519
Okay, I just wanted to get into what is
Bending Spoons and why they're bad.

1278
00:52:10,481 --> 00:52:15,360
Okay. And not not malicious, but they just
let's get into it.

1279
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,057
So bending spoons. go ahead, go ahead.

1280
00:52:16,266 --> 00:52:17,266
You yeah, but hold on. I

1281
00:52:17,087 --> 00:52:18,567
want to say one more thing to set the
record.

1282
00:52:18,567 --> 00:52:21,039
Set the stage for a f it's possible,

1283
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,531
it's pretty likely that most of our
listeners do not care about Airtable.

1284
00:52:25,531 --> 00:52:27,523
Right? Because it's an enterprise software
tool.

1285
00:52:26,207 --> 00:52:28,379
Sure. Sure, sure.

1286
00:52:27,523 --> 00:52:28,523
Now you may maybe you

1287
00:52:28,473 --> 00:52:30,304
use it. It's like basically enterprise
Excel,

1288
00:52:30,304 --> 00:52:32,981
like AI, weird. It's like it's I don't
know.

1289
00:52:32,981 --> 00:52:36,798
Anyway, that's fine. Also, you may have
never heard of bending spoons.

1290
00:52:36,798 --> 00:52:41,841
I just want to be clear that this is the
company's that is most determined

1291
00:52:41,841 --> 00:52:44,262
to destroy the internet and all of the
tools on it.

1292
00:52:44,482 --> 00:52:45,974
Okay. And you said something

1293
00:52:45,265 --> 00:52:46,265
Yes.

1294
00:52:45,974 --> 00:52:48,502
about and I want you to explain all the
things you're gonna explain,

1295
00:52:48,502 --> 00:52:50,210
but I don't want you to go too far.

1296
00:52:48,531 --> 00:52:50,917
Yeah. Yeah.

1297
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:51,210
You said

1298
00:52:51,041 --> 00:52:55,177
Vimeo is mostly fine. They bought Vimeo
and laid off almost everyone.

1299
00:52:55,177 --> 00:52:58,221
Okay, go on. There you go. Okay,

1300
00:52:55,377 --> 00:52:56,757
Okay, so that is just spoilers.

1301
00:52:56,757 --> 00:52:58,628
Spoilers. Spoilers.

1302
00:52:58,221 --> 00:52:59,221
go ahead.

1303
00:52:58,908 --> 00:53:00,608
So it was founded in twenty thirteen.

1304
00:53:00,608 --> 00:53:01,969
It's a Milan-based tech company.

1305
00:53:01,969 --> 00:53:06,000
They did, as we you learned after last
week's episode,

1306
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,391
and I want to make clear they went public
recently.

1307
00:53:08,391 --> 00:53:11,351
And so they are a publicly traded company.

1308
00:53:11,351 --> 00:53:13,972
They had a eighteen billion dollar IPO.

1309
00:53:13,972 --> 00:53:15,172
So now they're publicly traded.

1310
00:53:15,172 --> 00:53:18,533
And they have acquired companies like,

1311
00:53:18,533 --> 00:53:20,914
as I mentioned, Event Evernote,

1312
00:53:20,914 --> 00:53:23,285
WeTransfer, Vimeo, Meetup, Kamut,

1313
00:53:23,285 --> 00:53:24,715
Brightcove, Remini.

1314
00:53:25,128 --> 00:53:26,468
Event or did I say event right?

1315
00:53:26,468 --> 00:53:27,468
AOL

1316
00:53:27,114 --> 00:53:28,125
A O L. Yep.

1317
00:53:28,349 --> 00:53:31,410
and now Airtable. And here's the thing:

1318
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:34,810
this is the business model of bending
spoons.

1319
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:36,591
And this is stated on their website.

1320
00:53:36,591 --> 00:53:42,732
This is not like conjecture. This is what
they claim their their business model is.

1321
00:53:42,732 --> 00:53:46,533
It is to acquire digital businesses,

1322
00:53:46,533 --> 00:53:52,014
then implement deep transformations and
ongoing optimizations.

1323
00:53:52,014 --> 00:53:54,105
That's code for laying people off.

1324
00:53:55,057 --> 00:53:58,108
And raising subscriptions to expand
earnings,

1325
00:53:58,108 --> 00:54:01,890
then reinvest those earnings into more
acquisitions,

1326
00:54:01,890 --> 00:54:08,353
a compounding cycle. So this is this is
what Bending Spoons says.

1327
00:54:08,353 --> 00:54:10,934
This is what they do. They acquire a
business,

1328
00:54:10,934 --> 00:54:13,555
they make they try to make money from that
business,

1329
00:54:13,555 --> 00:54:17,046
however means necessary, take the money
that they earn from that and do

1330
00:54:17,046 --> 00:54:22,178
it to the next planet. It's like
astrophage or like the aliens from
Independence

1331
00:54:22,178 --> 00:54:23,219
Day. They can

1332
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:23,710
Yes, that's what

1333
00:54:23,356 --> 00:54:25,074
it's like, is the aliens from Independence
Day.

1334
00:54:23,749 --> 00:54:25,084
It it's like they it's exactly that.

1335
00:54:25,084 --> 00:54:26,952
They consume the resources of a company,

1336
00:54:26,952 --> 00:54:28,659
leave it for dead or whatever,

1337
00:54:28,659 --> 00:54:29,753
they don't care, and go on.

1338
00:54:29,962 --> 00:54:32,393
Well, and it there's little bit of nuance
to it to what they do

1339
00:54:32,393 --> 00:54:34,023
is 'cause this started with Evernote,

1340
00:54:34,023 --> 00:54:35,023
which was

1341
00:54:34,536 --> 00:54:35,536
Yes.

1342
00:54:34,984 --> 00:54:39,545
one of the most beloved products that had
been created to that point because

1343
00:54:39,545 --> 00:54:40,766
it was so unique. It

1344
00:54:40,713 --> 00:54:41,713
Yes.

1345
00:54:40,986 --> 00:54:43,677
it seems silly at this point 'cause
there's a million things that

1346
00:54:43,677 --> 00:54:46,398
are like the original idea for Evernote,

1347
00:54:46,398 --> 00:54:49,289
but it was so and its killer feature at
the time was that its OCR

1348
00:54:49,289 --> 00:54:50,349
was better than anything else.

1349
00:54:50,035 --> 00:54:51,035
Yes. Yes.

1350
00:54:50,349 --> 00:54:51,349
Okay. So there's

1351
00:54:51,059 --> 00:54:52,960
that. They buy something.

1352
00:54:53,676 --> 00:54:57,209
They essentially lay off all the
engineering employees and sales employees

1353
00:54:57,209 --> 00:54:59,802
and everyone else, centralize all of that
in Italy,

1354
00:54:59,802 --> 00:55:01,533
could where they have their team,

1355
00:55:01,533 --> 00:55:02,895
right? So they basically

1356
00:55:02,334 --> 00:55:03,334
Yes.

1357
00:55:02,895 --> 00:55:06,458
have now you have a product brand that is
being managed centrally,

1358
00:55:06,458 --> 00:55:09,941
and then they raise prices on consumers
because they typically have gone

1359
00:55:09,941 --> 00:55:15,256
for brands where they have a niche and
they have a concentrated set of users who,

1360
00:55:15,256 --> 00:55:18,509
for whatever reason, it would be hard for
those users to move to something else,

1361
00:55:18,509 --> 00:55:19,509
right?

1362
00:55:19,191 --> 00:55:20,191
So another

1363
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,239
Right.

1364
00:55:19,591 --> 00:55:22,143
example that didn't make any of the news
because no one really cares is they

1365
00:55:22,143 --> 00:55:23,655
own a piece of software called Loomly,

1366
00:55:23,655 --> 00:55:26,747
which is a social ~ media management tool
where you can connect

1367
00:55:26,747 --> 00:55:29,229
all your social media. It's like you know,

1368
00:55:29,229 --> 00:55:32,902
~ Buffer or Hootsuite or Sprout or any of
those types of things.

1369
00:55:32,902 --> 00:55:37,476
And you what they did when they bought it
is they raised the annual price from

1370
00:55:37,476 --> 00:55:41,189
roughly seven ish hundred dollars a year
to twenty seven hundred dollars a year.

1371
00:55:41,189 --> 00:55:46,053
And what they knew is all of your social
media data from the last 10 years isn't

1372
00:55:46,053 --> 00:55:47,053
not maybe not 10

1373
00:55:46,906 --> 00:55:49,037
is in this. You don't want to lose all
those analytics.

1374
00:55:49,037 --> 00:55:52,268
You want to just keep paying for it
because it's you can't possibly export it.

1375
00:55:52,268 --> 00:55:54,710
So that is their model. Lay off all the
people they're paying.

1376
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:58,121
Have a small group of people in Italy who
are doing all the engineering work,

1377
00:55:58,121 --> 00:56:01,143
which means you don't get features or bug
fixes because it's one small group

1378
00:56:01,143 --> 00:56:02,763
of people doing this. And then you

1379
00:56:02,365 --> 00:56:03,365
Yes.

1380
00:56:02,763 --> 00:56:04,034
raise prices on consumers.

1381
00:56:04,677 --> 00:56:07,478
Yes. And this has been a clear pattern.

1382
00:56:07,478 --> 00:56:10,060
And as Jason said, so when they acquire a
company,

1383
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:14,263
they cut a bunch of people, they gut the
free tiers and jack the price

1384
00:56:14,423 --> 00:56:17,826
on paid tiers. So Evernote as an example,

1385
00:56:17,826 --> 00:56:20,678
they're maximizing revenue, not customers.

1386
00:56:20,678 --> 00:56:24,230
They don't care if they lose customers as
long as the revenue is higher.

1387
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:28,023
And so they would raise that to like two
hundred and fifty dollars for some

1388
00:56:28,023 --> 00:56:30,254
of the pro features in Evernote.

1389
00:56:30,254 --> 00:56:31,295
And Evernote last

1390
00:56:31,635 --> 00:56:35,396
They lost 129 staff people. ~ Wii
transfer.

1391
00:56:35,396 --> 00:56:39,500
There were a bunch of cuts once ~ Bending
Spoons acquired Wii transfer.

1392
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:46,494
And last year, Bending Spoons took on over
1,800 staff from the AOL,

1393
00:56:46,494 --> 00:56:51,376
Eventbrite, and Vimeo deals, and plan to
only have a few hundred expected

1394
00:56:51,376 --> 00:56:53,418
to remain by the end of this year,

1395
00:56:53,418 --> 00:56:58,170
2026. So from 1,800 employees to a few
hundred,

1396
00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:59,170
they're gonna lay off.

1397
00:56:59,345 --> 00:57:01,697
A vast, vast majority of people because
again,

1398
00:57:01,697 --> 00:57:06,521
they don't care about the numbers of
people using the products that they
acquire.

1399
00:57:06,521 --> 00:57:08,743
They only care about profitability,

1400
00:57:08,743 --> 00:57:10,945
jacking the price up on the people who
will pay for it.

1401
00:57:10,945 --> 00:57:14,187
And so that is their pattern. That's what
they do.

1402
00:57:14,187 --> 00:57:19,243
And so when you hear that a company like
Airtable is going to it

1403
00:57:19,243 --> 00:57:20,653
was acquired by Bending Spoons,

1404
00:57:20,653 --> 00:57:24,236
like I I've not used Airtable a lot
personally.

1405
00:57:24,236 --> 00:57:27,929
Inside baseball, Apple will use like
Airtable forms like

1406
00:57:28,403 --> 00:57:31,634
Some things like ~ podcast show feature
requests.

1407
00:57:31,634 --> 00:57:32,895
Like there's air table forms for it.

1408
00:57:32,895 --> 00:57:34,626
So you can like upload documents or
whatever.

1409
00:57:34,626 --> 00:57:37,067
And I I'd not used Airtable for a long
time,

1410
00:57:37,067 --> 00:57:38,747
but I had a bunch of people that would ask
me,

1411
00:57:38,747 --> 00:57:40,328
Can you make shortcuts for Airtable?

1412
00:57:40,328 --> 00:57:45,610
Because they have a great open API that's
on the free plan and it would all works.

1413
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:48,941
And so actually I did that this week in my
shortcuts community during

1414
00:57:48,941 --> 00:57:50,732
my live stream this past Wednesday.

1415
00:57:50,732 --> 00:57:55,283
I shared a shortcut that lets you just add
rows to an Airtable and

1416
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:58,571
With a shortcut and it can it'll be for
free and it's great.

1417
00:57:58,571 --> 00:58:03,833
But now I'm like, what if it follows the
pattern that Evernote that

1418
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:07,775
we transfer that the pattern that Bending
Spoons has adopted,

1419
00:58:07,775 --> 00:58:10,736
Airtable, likely in the near future,

1420
00:58:10,736 --> 00:58:14,518
the free tier will probably suck because
they're gonna strip features from that.

1421
00:58:14,518 --> 00:58:17,759
They'll jack up the price on whatever the
premium tiers are,

1422
00:58:17,759 --> 00:58:20,310
and they won't care how many users use
Airtable.

1423
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:24,592
They just want the few that use it who
will pay the most amount of money to
remain.

1424
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:28,494
That is their stated plain goal on their
website.

1425
00:58:28,494 --> 00:58:31,237
And so that is why when a company is
acquired by Bending Spoons,

1426
00:58:31,237 --> 00:58:34,240
it's probably not a great outlook for the
future of that company.

1427
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,240
And that's why it's

1428
00:58:34,902 --> 00:58:35,902
Yeah.

1429
00:58:35,231 --> 00:58:36,231
unfortunate.

1430
00:58:35,782 --> 00:58:38,066
And okay, and just two things.

1431
00:58:38,066 --> 00:58:42,091
One, first of all, like I think I always
Bending Spoons makes me think

1432
00:58:42,091 --> 00:58:43,493
of that Stephen King miniseries,

1433
00:58:43,493 --> 00:58:45,976
The Langoliers, which like where they come
and they eat the time.

1434
00:58:45,976 --> 00:58:48,430
Like I just feel like Bending Spoons is
just waiting to like eat up

1435
00:58:47,423 --> 00:58:50,077
Sure. Yes.

1436
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:50,292
a company kind of thing. The car

1437
00:58:50,292 --> 00:58:52,225
dead carcass of a company that they've
yeah.

1438
00:58:52,225 --> 00:58:53,225
But

1439
00:58:54,528 --> 00:58:56,019
From an investment perspective,

1440
00:58:56,019 --> 00:58:59,462
it's not hard to see why investors poured
money into this because investors

1441
00:58:59,462 --> 00:59:01,254
are ruthless. They're just looking for a
return.

1442
00:59:01,254 --> 00:59:02,795
And bending spoons is very good at that.

1443
00:59:02,795 --> 00:59:06,329
But what that what they do is they destroy
products that people really love

1444
00:59:06,329 --> 00:59:08,631
to use because they don't care.

1445
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:09,703
Yes. Right.

1446
00:59:08,631 --> 00:59:09,712
So that like it

1447
00:59:09,712 --> 00:59:12,734
they are not a bad business model in the
sense that,

1448
00:59:12,734 --> 00:59:15,017
like, from a fundamental perspective of
business,

1449
00:59:15,017 --> 00:59:17,389
cutting costs and raising find you know,

1450
00:59:17,389 --> 00:59:20,992
what they're doing is they're finding the
the their pricing power.

1451
00:59:21,205 --> 00:59:24,746
And a lot of these companies maybe are
underpriced what from what they could,

1452
00:59:24,746 --> 00:59:25,786
right? And they're

1453
00:59:25,327 --> 00:59:26,327
Right.

1454
00:59:25,786 --> 00:59:28,947
okay with shedding off some of their
customers because they're just gonna find
them

1455
00:59:28,947 --> 00:59:33,138
that b equilibrium of like, this is the pr
price that we should charge

1456
00:59:33,138 --> 00:59:35,849
to get the maximum number of customers who
will pay that price.

1457
00:59:35,849 --> 00:59:38,619
And yes, some people won't, but it will
make up for it by the increase in price.

1458
00:59:38,619 --> 00:59:41,280
In that sense, like, yeah, that just seems
like smart business.

1459
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,201
A lot of these companies maybe were
charging too little.

1460
00:59:43,201 --> 00:59:47,112
That's totally separate from the fact that
the customers love those products

1461
00:59:47,112 --> 00:59:48,112
and now hate

1462
00:59:47,442 --> 00:59:48,442
Right.

1463
00:59:47,922 --> 00:59:48,922
what has happened.

1464
00:59:49,083 --> 00:59:53,327
And if you ever need to hear someone
really share their feelings about
Evernote,

1465
00:59:53,327 --> 00:59:55,929
William Gallagher back on Apple Insider,

1466
00:59:55,929 --> 01:00:00,853
he was diehard Evernote user. And even as
it was getting worse and worse,

1467
01:00:00,853 --> 01:00:03,554
he kept using it because he didn't have a
good alternative for

1468
01:00:03,554 --> 01:00:06,308
the features he wanted. And he was just
really upset.

1469
01:00:06,308 --> 01:00:09,160
And like, sure, he could find another app,

1470
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,574
but like I use Vimeo. I use Vimeo
personally because again

1471
01:00:13,574 --> 01:00:16,226
in my shortcuts community, I offer ad free

1472
01:00:16,658 --> 01:00:20,920
Versions of my videos. And I don't want to
do that through YouTube

1473
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,661
and create an unlisted link. So I do it
through Vimeo because I

1474
01:00:23,661 --> 01:00:27,403
can control things like where the video is
embedded if it shows up on Vimeo.com.

1475
01:00:27,403 --> 01:00:31,324
Great privacy controls. And I've used
Vimeo for years in commercial settings

1476
01:00:31,324 --> 01:00:33,865
as well. I use it when I was making
websites for people.

1477
01:00:33,865 --> 01:00:35,646
I used it for like corporate type stuff.

1478
01:00:35,646 --> 01:00:38,708
Like Vimeo was really good. And once
Bending Spoons acquired it,

1479
01:00:38,708 --> 01:00:43,470
I'm like, it just makes me not want to
rely on Vimeo a whole lot because

1480
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:44,730
it might not.

1481
01:00:44,604 --> 01:00:47,095
be around in its current state very much
longer.

1482
01:00:47,095 --> 01:00:48,675
And I will know like every time I log into
Vimeo,

1483
01:00:48,675 --> 01:00:51,886
I'm like, this looks weird. Like it's
telling me about weird features

1484
01:00:51,886 --> 01:00:54,977
and it's like wanting me to like pay more
for things that I don't really care about.

1485
01:00:54,977 --> 01:00:59,728
But it's because Bending Spoons is just
trying to get the highest paid customers

1486
01:00:59,728 --> 01:01:03,059
to remain and they don't care what happens
to the free customers because

1487
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:05,200
you don't matter to them. That's sad.

1488
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,240
So that's why Bending Spoons is bad.

1489
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,821
Hopefully that explained it. If you have
questions about Bending Spoons,

1490
01:01:09,821 --> 01:01:11,831
or you absolutely love what they've done
with the place.

1491
01:01:11,831 --> 01:01:14,102
So when it comes to Evernote, you can let
us know in the comments.

1492
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,374
But I don't I don't think so. I don't
think so.

1493
01:01:16,374 --> 01:01:19,426
Also Event Eventbrite. Is there a good
alternative to Eventbrite?

1494
01:01:19,426 --> 01:01:22,820
Isn't there like brush fires? Thank you.

1495
01:01:20,458 --> 01:01:23,041
Apple Apple events is great. Or Apple
invites

1496
01:01:23,041 --> 01:01:26,716
I mean is fantastic. I I almost mean

1497
01:01:24,851 --> 01:01:26,611
Thank you. Honestly, thank you.

1498
01:01:26,716 --> 01:01:27,716
that.

1499
01:01:27,132 --> 01:01:29,892
Thank you. That was a perfect perfect
response for that.

1500
01:01:29,892 --> 01:01:31,653
All right, before we get to personal tech,

1501
01:01:31,653 --> 01:01:36,134
I need to know Jason's ~ habits on expose
and window management on the Mac.

1502
01:01:36,134 --> 01:01:38,474
But I do want to specify that Europe,

1503
01:01:38,474 --> 01:01:41,975
they are pushing for more AI labeling and
transparency.

1504
01:01:41,975 --> 01:01:45,276
So as we just talked about all the weird
Google AI stuff and Google Maps

1505
01:01:45,276 --> 01:01:50,037
and that terribleness, ~ at least the EU
for you know all that they

1506
01:01:50,037 --> 01:01:53,608
do and relates to like the the Digital
Markets Act and all of that.

1507
01:01:54,098 --> 01:01:57,671
They are trying to make it so you have to
say when something is AI generated,

1508
01:01:57,671 --> 01:02:00,983
that when it's fully or partially AI made.

1509
01:02:00,983 --> 01:02:05,367
And yeah, disclose I think disclosure
labels are good.

1510
01:02:05,367 --> 01:02:10,321
Bar none. And I even see, I think on
Instagram there was a recent video that

1511
01:02:10,321 --> 01:02:11,972
was going around and I was like,

1512
01:02:11,972 --> 01:02:18,177
is this AI? I wasn't sure. And Instagram
did in fact have an AI label.

1513
01:02:18,177 --> 01:02:19,899
But let me tell you, it was very,

1514
01:02:19,899 --> 01:02:23,362
very small. And it was like in the
farthest top left corner,

1515
01:02:23,362 --> 01:02:24,362
like

1516
01:02:23,922 --> 01:02:26,864
half hidden under the profile icon of the
count who shared it and I was like,

1517
01:02:26,864 --> 01:02:28,795
Okay, I guess I'm glad it's there,

1518
01:02:28,795 --> 01:02:31,147
but no literally no one can see this.

1519
01:02:31,147 --> 01:02:36,871
And so the AI the EU is specifying like
here's what the icon needs to look like.

1520
01:02:36,871 --> 01:02:39,453
And it's a big letters and AI,

1521
01:02:39,453 --> 01:02:44,456
a black circle and it needs to be on the
content and users can mark ~ stuff

1522
01:02:44,456 --> 01:02:48,359
if they believe it's AI. LinkedIn has even
launched new tools recently where users

1523
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:50,950
can say, I think this is I'm pretty sure
this is AI generated.

1524
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:53,232
And so LinkedIn is trying to get ~

1525
01:02:53,852 --> 01:02:58,558
More serious about it. So there's some
there's some guardrails happening ish,

1526
01:02:58,558 --> 01:03:00,661
maybe. We'll see if they stick.

1527
01:03:00,661 --> 01:03:01,661
We'll see if it works.

1528
01:03:00,684 --> 01:03:01,684
Some ish.

1529
01:03:02,353 --> 01:03:05,517
Some ish. Did Claude Code ever identify
what ~ is

1530
01:03:04,682 --> 01:03:05,682
Let's see where we're at.

1531
01:03:05,517 --> 01:03:08,501
is still working? Did you put Fable on
this or did you put just Opus?

1532
01:03:08,232 --> 01:03:09,501
hold on, here we go. Wow.

1533
01:03:08,501 --> 01:03:11,224
~

1534
01:03:11,224 --> 01:03:12,326
shoot, I'm kinda scared now.

1535
01:03:13,324 --> 01:03:17,157
The honest headline, Steven almost never
trashes a product on threads.

1536
01:03:17,157 --> 01:03:21,530
In three years, there are only 40 posts
with any negative language at all,

1537
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:23,771
and most of the harsh ones did become
videos.

1538
01:03:23,771 --> 01:03:27,304
Switchbots, Universal Remote, the most
frustrating piece of tech this year.

1539
01:03:27,304 --> 01:03:28,304
Sonos

1540
01:03:27,496 --> 01:03:28,496
Wow.

1541
01:03:28,044 --> 01:03:30,226
Ace, a disappointed review. Fine woven,

1542
01:03:30,226 --> 01:03:32,238
a case round of iPhone Air. He returned
it,

1543
01:03:32,238 --> 01:03:34,019
but still published three reasons not for
everyone.

1544
01:03:34,019 --> 01:03:36,410
So the genuine list of orphans is short.

1545
01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:40,433
Interesting. Panda never made the video.

1546
01:03:38,674 --> 01:03:41,177
Weird Wait, what was it?

1547
01:03:40,433 --> 01:03:41,433
Alexa sh

1548
01:03:41,411 --> 01:03:43,853
It says here's a list of the things that
says where you panned it,

1549
01:03:43,853 --> 01:03:45,424
but you never and you never made the
video.

1550
01:03:44,708 --> 01:03:45,902
~ pandit.

1551
01:03:45,424 --> 01:03:46,424
Amazon Alexa

1552
01:03:46,335 --> 01:03:50,358
Echo Show, Alexa Plus, Sony's six hundred
and fifty dollar headphones,

1553
01:03:50,358 --> 01:03:52,660
Apple Podcasts, Subscriber Tier,

1554
01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:56,103
Roadcaster Pro 2 firmware, MacBook Air
without built-in cellular.

1555
01:03:56,103 --> 01:03:59,756
That's not an actual product. I mean,

1556
01:03:57,574 --> 01:03:59,527
No, sorry Claude. No.

1557
01:03:59,756 --> 01:04:02,678
it's just taking posts that you said
something about and then didn't.

1558
01:04:02,678 --> 01:04:04,509
It's I mean it did a lot of work here.

1559
01:04:04,509 --> 01:04:05,509
Videos

1560
01:04:04,552 --> 01:04:05,552
That's a lot of work.

1561
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:07,272
he explicitly promised and never
delivered.

1562
01:04:07,272 --> 01:04:10,014
A cara FP300 presence sensor.

1563
01:04:10,658 --> 01:04:13,760
Food Nom's Vision Pro Purchase.

1564
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,022
Video about this this weekend most likely
never surfaced.

1565
01:04:17,022 --> 01:04:18,742
~ wait, the very

1566
01:04:17,605 --> 01:04:18,605
So w was this open?

1567
01:04:18,742 --> 01:04:21,604
silly Vision Pro Purchase. Something you
talked about in February fourth,

1568
01:04:21,604 --> 01:04:24,426
two thousand twenty six, and you promised
a video this weekend

1569
01:04:24,426 --> 01:04:25,426
but it never happened.

1570
01:04:26,096 --> 01:04:28,708
Interesting. It's claiming I made a lot of
promises.

1571
01:04:28,708 --> 01:04:29,889
Some of those I actually delivered.

1572
01:04:29,889 --> 01:04:33,292
~ the did you put Opus on or Fable?

1573
01:04:31,202 --> 01:04:34,690
Listen, I don't know. ~ that was Opus V.

1574
01:04:33,292 --> 01:04:37,165
Opus Fi. No,

1575
01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:37,165
Listen, I'm not burning a million tokens
on this,

1576
01:04:37,165 --> 01:04:38,376
no, no, I know, I know. Well,

1577
01:04:37,165 --> 01:04:38,165
okay?

1578
01:04:38,376 --> 01:04:40,528
I think it's issue a couple of things I
think is interesting of that.

1579
01:04:40,528 --> 01:04:41,999
One, I forgot about that switch bot
remote.

1580
01:04:41,999 --> 01:04:45,122
That was a video I made that I was I
didn't like the product and I actually
made it.

1581
01:04:45,122 --> 01:04:48,304
Those Sony headphones I did put in a
video.

1582
01:04:48,304 --> 01:04:51,717
It was a roundup. And I don't think I
didn't put the name explicitly in

1583
01:04:51,717 --> 01:04:55,250
the title of the video. ~ so maybe it
didn't catch that.

1584
01:04:55,728 --> 01:04:57,729
And the Accara FP three hundred,

1585
01:04:57,729 --> 01:04:59,110
I never made a dedicated video about,

1586
01:04:59,110 --> 01:05:02,543
but I've talked about it in probably two
videos where I talk about other smart home

1587
01:05:02,543 --> 01:05:05,895
products. So I think it's inter that's
interesting.

1588
01:05:05,895 --> 01:05:08,487
Like I understand it's indexing like the
highest level stuff,

1589
01:05:08,487 --> 01:05:11,028
but it did find like the Alexa show.

1590
01:05:11,028 --> 01:05:13,170
I totally bought that. And I talked about
it,

1591
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:14,721
I think, on this sh on the podcast,

1592
01:05:14,721 --> 01:05:16,292
but I did not make a video about it.

1593
01:05:16,292 --> 01:05:20,245
And so it did it did some good work there
and some it it kind of missed

1594
01:05:20,245 --> 01:05:22,236
the what I did. But no, it's good.

1595
01:05:22,236 --> 01:05:24,988
That's interesting. Panned it.

1596
01:05:25,458 --> 01:05:28,706
That's a weird la it's weird language that
that Claude uses sometimes.

1597
01:05:28,706 --> 01:05:33,808
Like pandit, co anyway. It talks weird.

1598
01:05:31,882 --> 01:05:34,138
It it talks weird. I tal I have this
conversation

1599
01:05:34,138 --> 01:05:35,281
with Claude all the time. Dude,

1600
01:05:35,281 --> 01:05:36,281
people don't talk like that.

1601
01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:38,992
Stop talk stop talking weird. ~ Merlin
Mann.

1602
01:05:38,432 --> 01:05:40,048
Stop talking like a robot.

1603
01:05:40,593 --> 01:05:44,396
Merlin Mann was on Mac Power Users and
he's a very divisive character,

1604
01:05:44,396 --> 01:05:50,661
but he has these in depth ~ instructions
for how Clodge or Chat GPT should talk.

1605
01:05:50,661 --> 01:05:54,765
And it is very funny, like all the
intricate ways he says,

1606
01:05:54,765 --> 01:05:58,007
like, don't say this, keep track of how
many times you say this word,

1607
01:05:58,007 --> 01:06:00,139
and if it's high, stop saying it.

1608
01:06:00,139 --> 01:06:03,972
Like he goes he went in deep 'cause he
really doesn't like how it talks to him.

1609
01:06:03,972 --> 01:06:04,972
And so that's pretty funny.

1610
01:06:04,916 --> 01:06:05,916
And

1611
01:06:05,056 --> 01:06:09,358
my least favorite thing right now about
Claude or any of these is that they

1612
01:06:09,358 --> 01:06:14,761
use phrases that are similar to things
like okay,

1613
01:06:14,761 --> 01:06:19,074
I read an email from a journalist who I
think is very,

1614
01:06:19,074 --> 01:06:20,074
very good.

1615
01:06:19,996 --> 01:06:20,996
Yes.

1616
01:06:20,675 --> 01:06:27,026
And in their email it used a phrase that I
see all the time from Claude.

1617
01:06:27,026 --> 01:06:28,379
It's like and it's the phrase,

1618
01:06:28,379 --> 01:06:31,120
that's the take, or that's the that's the
thing,

1619
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,521
that's the whatever. And I'm like,

1620
01:06:32,521 --> 01:06:33,702
I read it in someone's

1621
01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:40,286
newsletter. Now, I'm not accusing this
person of having used Claude

1622
01:06:39,665 --> 01:06:40,665
Right, right,

1623
01:06:40,286 --> 01:06:42,578
or Chad GPT or whatever. But my problem my
point is like,

1624
01:06:42,578 --> 01:06:46,021
~ the take writes itself.

1625
01:06:46,021 --> 01:06:47,242
That's what the person wrote. I'm like,

1626
01:06:47,242 --> 01:06:50,475
that's exactly the way an A an LLM would
have worded that.

1627
01:06:50,475 --> 01:06:51,706
And the problem with that is

1628
01:06:51,164 --> 01:06:52,164
Yeah.

1629
01:06:52,287 --> 01:06:56,110
now in my mind I'm like, did you use did
you use someone to write this?

1630
01:06:56,110 --> 01:06:57,110
And I don't think that they did.

1631
01:06:57,041 --> 01:06:58,672
I'm again not accusing this person.

1632
01:06:58,672 --> 01:07:00,414
But what I hate is when it like

1633
01:07:00,976 --> 01:07:02,041
Incepts the idea.

1634
01:07:01,034 --> 01:07:02,106
it sort of adopts

1635
01:07:02,106 --> 01:07:04,981
these things, but they're very opinionated
ways of saying a thing.

1636
01:07:04,966 --> 01:07:05,966
Yeah.

1637
01:07:04,981 --> 01:07:05,981
And now

1638
01:07:05,673 --> 01:07:07,266
it's like now when you see that somewhere
else,

1639
01:07:07,266 --> 01:07:09,452
you I don't like it. I I just don't like
it.

1640
01:07:10,129 --> 01:07:13,963
I don't either. We need our bonus
episode's gonna be about this
tangentially.

1641
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,497
It's the dash problem. I've been writing
with

1642
01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:15,489
The dash problem.

1643
01:07:15,628 --> 01:07:17,755
dashes for so long, I'm gonna keep using
them.

1644
01:07:17,755 --> 01:07:19,551
But every time you use one, someone is
gonna be like,

1645
01:07:19,551 --> 01:07:20,551
today I write this.

1646
01:07:20,708 --> 01:07:22,249
It's it seems like it more and more.

1647
01:07:22,249 --> 01:07:24,210
All right, so th our bonus episode's gonna
be good.

1648
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:26,341
We're gonna get to that. ~ but for
personal tech,

1649
01:07:26,341 --> 01:07:30,513
in our pre show, we were talking about how
many windows is too many windows that

1650
01:07:30,513 --> 01:07:33,814
are open on your Mac. And you said you
don't use spaces,

1651
01:07:33,814 --> 01:07:36,606
but you use expose and you have hot
corners.

1652
01:07:36,606 --> 01:07:40,107
One, what are your hot corners programmed
to?

1653
01:07:40,107 --> 01:07:44,029
And how like t tell our listeners again,

1654
01:07:44,029 --> 01:07:45,560
like your minimization technique.

1655
01:07:45,923 --> 01:07:49,851
Well okay, so I'm a I'm a I think it's
called expose is the one where

1656
01:07:49,851 --> 01:07:51,214
it shows you everything on your screen.

1657
01:07:49,883 --> 01:07:51,533
Yeah. Yeah.

1658
01:07:51,214 --> 01:07:52,214
Yeah.

1659
01:07:51,564 --> 01:07:55,182
So I'm a power u a mission control power
user and my

1660
01:07:54,363 --> 01:07:55,586
Yeah. Mission control

1661
01:07:55,586 --> 01:07:58,384
is like you see the spaces up at the top
and all the windows.

1662
01:07:58,384 --> 01:07:59,871
I feel like that's mission control.

1663
01:07:59,006 --> 01:08:00,217
It's I think mission control

1664
01:08:00,217 --> 01:08:05,686
is just its way of like window managing ~
like moving things around kind of stuff.

1665
01:08:03,909 --> 01:08:06,103
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1666
01:08:05,686 --> 01:08:06,686
So I

1667
01:08:06,210 --> 01:08:08,231
use the upper right corner, shows me every
window.

1668
01:08:08,231 --> 01:08:09,302
I like that.

1669
01:08:08,698 --> 01:08:09,698
Okay.

1670
01:08:09,302 --> 01:08:12,084
I think there's also an option to just
show windows from that app.

1671
01:08:12,084 --> 01:08:15,836
I don't ever care about that. ~ so it
shows me every window.

1672
01:08:15,836 --> 01:08:18,077
Upper left corner shows me my desktop.

1673
01:08:18,077 --> 01:08:20,222
Those are the only two I really care
about.

1674
01:08:20,222 --> 01:08:24,591
I in ~ I think you by default the lower
right is a quick note,

1675
01:08:24,591 --> 01:08:26,462
which is a stupid thing I to have as a

1676
01:08:26,718 --> 01:08:29,239
is a hot key f or hot wind or corner or
whatever.

1677
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:30,239
So I don't

1678
01:08:29,308 --> 01:08:30,308
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1679
01:08:29,889 --> 01:08:35,121
use that at all. I also some don't use the
bottom two corners because there's enough

1680
01:08:35,121 --> 01:08:38,863
times when I'm using my laptop with the
lid open where I want to be able

1681
01:08:38,863 --> 01:08:42,294
to move and I don't want to like fight
between moving from one screen

1682
01:08:42,294 --> 01:08:45,045
to the other and hi and initiating a hot
corner thing.

1683
01:08:44,977 --> 01:08:45,977
Right, right,

1684
01:08:45,045 --> 01:08:46,045
So

1685
01:08:46,046 --> 01:08:51,108
I don't I use the the expose to show my
show my desktop or to show

1686
01:08:51,108 --> 01:08:55,970
all the windows all the time. Because if I
want to basically I have

1687
01:08:56,256 --> 01:08:57,667
This is probably gonna set Steven off.

1688
01:08:57,667 --> 01:08:58,787
He's not prepared for this.

1689
01:08:59,169 --> 01:09:00,169
I don't know.

1690
01:09:00,088 --> 01:09:04,070
I have drives sh mount on my desktop so I
can quickly access them.

1691
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:06,852
And so it's not a thumbs down.

1692
01:09:05,053 --> 01:09:07,668
Thumbs down. Thumb thumbs down.

1693
01:09:06,852 --> 01:09:09,313
It's totally normal behavior. And so

1694
01:09:07,668 --> 01:09:08,996
Thumbs down.

1695
01:09:09,314 --> 01:09:13,226
that's how I click to the I I will go up
to the left corner and I will click

1696
01:09:13,226 --> 01:09:15,907
on something because I use my desktop as a
desktop.

1697
01:09:15,907 --> 01:09:18,939
It's where I have things that I'm gonna
use that I just downloaded.

1698
01:09:18,939 --> 01:09:21,811
Go to. Because if I walked into my office
and I was gonna work on something,

1699
01:09:21,811 --> 01:09:23,242
I would set it on the desktop.

1700
01:09:23,242 --> 01:09:24,242
So

1701
01:09:24,151 --> 01:09:26,083
That's fine. And then I will put them
somewhere when I'm done.

1702
01:09:26,083 --> 01:09:27,394
I don't leave them there forever.

1703
01:09:27,394 --> 01:09:29,506
And that's the reason I don't like the
downloads folder,

1704
01:09:29,506 --> 01:09:32,118
is because stuff just stays there forever
for most people.

1705
01:09:32,118 --> 01:09:36,462
So I will use the show my desktop if I
need to either look at my to-do list,

1706
01:09:36,462 --> 01:09:39,284
which is a widget, or if I need to like
click on one of those drives

1707
01:09:39,284 --> 01:09:40,545
or click on something that's on here.

1708
01:09:40,545 --> 01:09:45,670
And then I use the upper right corner to
show me all the windows if

1709
01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:47,711
I'm just going back and forth between
things,

1710
01:09:47,711 --> 01:09:50,734
right? And typically, so we talked about
this.

1711
01:09:51,048 --> 01:09:52,729
I use, I don't know if this is what it's
called,

1712
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:54,380
but I use the cascading overlap.

1713
01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:56,761
That's just the way I define every window

1714
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:56,590
Yeah, I like that. I like that.

1715
01:09:56,761 --> 01:10:01,834
should sort of like kind of cascade and
overlap so that you can see enough

1716
01:10:01,834 --> 01:10:03,195
of the windows behind. Like right now,

1717
01:10:03,195 --> 01:10:05,766
I can see I don't know why my mail app is
open.

1718
01:10:05,766 --> 01:10:07,117
I don't know why Fantastic L is open,

1719
01:10:07,117 --> 01:10:08,958
but I can see them enough that if I needed
to get to them,

1720
01:10:08,958 --> 01:10:10,229
I could click on it. There's a

1721
01:10:09,916 --> 01:10:10,916
Right.

1722
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:12,230
cloud window up there because we were
talking about it.

1723
01:10:12,230 --> 01:10:15,371
I have this window, and then I also have a
separate Brave window because

1724
01:10:15,692 --> 01:10:19,153
I don't want to I want to always be able
to see this conversation.

1725
01:10:19,153 --> 01:10:20,153
If I click on it, I want to be

1726
01:10:19,376 --> 01:10:20,376
Right. Right.

1727
01:10:20,214 --> 01:10:21,375
Going through tabs or whatever.

1728
01:10:21,375 --> 01:10:23,596
And so I can just get to any of those
things.

1729
01:10:23,596 --> 01:10:26,237
And from any window I'm on, I can see all
the other ones,

1730
01:10:26,237 --> 01:10:28,379
just a little tiny bit, and I can click on
them.

1731
01:10:28,379 --> 01:10:32,441
But sometimes I didn't do that very well.

1732
01:10:32,441 --> 01:10:34,462
And so I need to be able to see all the
windows.

1733
01:10:34,462 --> 01:10:37,504
And the question I asked Steven when we
started the bonus episode was:

1734
01:10:37,504 --> 01:10:39,485
what is the number of windows?

1735
01:10:39,485 --> 01:10:44,068
At which point you start to get anxiety
from having too many windows open.

1736
01:10:44,068 --> 01:10:46,329
And I've decided I think the number for me
is five.

1737
01:10:47,961 --> 01:10:50,342
Yeah, so I I'm with you on the number of
windows.

1738
01:10:50,342 --> 01:10:52,383
Let me just say I use zero hot corners.

1739
01:10:52,383 --> 01:10:56,465
None. And I don't do any widgets on

1740
01:10:56,465 --> 01:11:00,967
my desktop because I will put widgets in
the today,

1741
01:11:00,967 --> 01:11:02,548
like the notification center on the Mac.

1742
01:11:02,548 --> 01:11:05,749
But my desktop, I try to keep it as clean
as possible.

1743
01:11:05,749 --> 01:11:08,290
I will put files that I'm immediately
going to use,

1744
01:11:08,290 --> 01:11:10,971
like the photos that I shared at the
beginning of the show.

1745
01:11:10,971 --> 01:11:13,943
Those were image files that are on my
desktop and I'm gonna delete them right
after

1746
01:11:13,943 --> 01:11:14,943
this.

1747
01:11:14,937 --> 01:11:17,758
I use the downloads folder because I'm in
there all the time,

1748
01:11:17,758 --> 01:11:22,600
because I'm downloading the video files of
this recording and MacPower users.

1749
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,531
And because I'm in there all the time,

1750
01:11:24,531 --> 01:11:28,823
I do like clean it as I go. So I use the
downloads folder also because

1751
01:11:29,483 --> 01:11:31,544
the downloads folder is not syncing to
iCloud,

1752
01:11:31,544 --> 01:11:36,116
and I don't want eight gig files landing
on my desktop and then trying

1753
01:11:36,116 --> 01:11:39,827
to sync iCloud while maybe I want other
things syncing to iCloud.

1754
01:11:39,827 --> 01:11:44,369
So I use my downloads folder, minimal
desktop usage.

1755
01:11:44,953 --> 01:11:50,935
I hide all my drives because I have a
folder called working on my desktop where

1756
01:11:50,935 --> 01:11:54,117
I will throw random stuff. This is why I
just have one folder on my desktop

1757
01:11:54,117 --> 01:11:56,678
and not a bunch of things. And if I
double-click that folder,

1758
01:11:56,678 --> 01:11:57,998
I have access to the full finder,

1759
01:11:57,998 --> 01:12:01,706
or I can just, you know, command tab over
to finder and then command N

1760
01:12:01,706 --> 01:12:06,362
for a new window. But my main interaction
with expose and spaces,

1761
01:12:06,362 --> 01:12:09,123
and this is one of the reasons why I still
use the magic mouse,

1762
01:12:09,123 --> 01:12:10,163
even though everybody hates it,

1763
01:12:10,163 --> 01:12:12,514
I do a two-finger double tap.

1764
01:12:13,712 --> 01:12:17,275
So two finger double tap immediately goes
into expose so I can see

1765
01:12:17,295 --> 01:12:19,687
all the windows currently, like I'm doing
it right now.

1766
01:12:19,687 --> 01:12:21,898
I do it as I share the screen throughout
the show.

1767
01:12:21,898 --> 01:12:26,543
And I can also put my mouse up at the top
of the screen and see my spaces.

1768
01:12:26,543 --> 01:12:29,685
And so right now I have two spaces.

1769
01:12:29,685 --> 01:12:34,309
My main space, which is like my default,

1770
01:12:34,309 --> 01:12:40,845
I have probably unadvisedly four social
media apps open in four little columns

1771
01:12:40,845 --> 01:12:42,446
across the bottom of the screen.

1772
01:12:43,172 --> 01:12:45,053
I have messages open in the top left.

1773
01:12:45,053 --> 01:12:49,234
I have mail open. And if I'm doing
something in the web,

1774
01:12:49,234 --> 01:12:52,015
I'll probably have Safari open with my
BeardFM profile.

1775
01:12:52,015 --> 01:12:56,316
So that's like my home base where I will
communicate,

1776
01:12:56,316 --> 01:13:00,927
check mail, whatever. And then I will
typically have a second space with only

1777
01:13:00,927 --> 01:13:04,058
one or two apps that I call my like I'll
be actively working.

1778
01:13:04,058 --> 01:13:07,299
So I might have Bear open. I might have
can do,

1779
01:13:07,299 --> 01:13:09,160
my new task app. I'll have that open.

1780
01:13:09,804 --> 01:13:13,167
And I might have like a different Safari
window that I'm about to use in

1781
01:13:13,167 --> 01:13:16,089
a video or something. So I'll have that
second space that's open.

1782
01:13:16,089 --> 01:13:17,681
And if I'm working on video stuff,

1783
01:13:17,681 --> 01:13:19,052
I probably have Final Cut open.

1784
01:13:19,052 --> 01:13:22,899
And that I run as a full screen app on my
Mac Studio.

1785
01:13:22,899 --> 01:13:24,717
Because I actually I like that in full
screen mode.

1786
01:13:24,717 --> 01:13:28,140
And so when I double two-finger tap on my
magic mouse,

1787
01:13:28,140 --> 01:13:33,564
I can go between probably those three or
four spaces with Final Cut being

1788
01:13:33,564 --> 01:13:37,948
a full screen app. And I will also
two-finger swipe left and right.

1789
01:13:38,525 --> 01:13:42,468
to go between those spaces and I've been
doing that I do that as we record.

1790
01:13:42,468 --> 01:13:43,870
I do it all the time. So I'm like,

1791
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:47,193
I'm looking at us, I'm looking at Notion
and our links for this show

1792
01:13:47,193 --> 01:13:50,195
and I'll two finger swipe over and I have
my mail messages and other stuff

1793
01:13:50,536 --> 01:13:52,517
or another web browser that I might do
something else in.

1794
01:13:52,517 --> 01:13:55,450
So that's that's my setup. Does any of
that sound crazy to you?

1795
01:13:55,646 --> 01:14:01,049
No, the only thing I didn't address is
like I don't minimize very many.

1796
01:14:01,049 --> 01:14:03,490
So I hide things. If I don't want to see
it right now,

1797
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:05,241
like I we were talking and then I was
like,

1798
01:14:05,241 --> 01:14:08,133
why is my mail app open? So I just command
H,

1799
01:14:08,133 --> 01:14:09,914
hide it. So it's it's still open,

1800
01:14:09,914 --> 01:14:11,115
it's still running in the background.

1801
01:14:11,115 --> 01:14:14,206
It just I don't need to be looking at it
right now,

1802
01:14:14,206 --> 01:14:16,017
but it'll bounce back as soon as I need
it.

1803
01:14:16,017 --> 01:14:20,370
I don't minimize that. Now I know you
minimize things into the app,

1804
01:14:20,370 --> 01:14:21,951
which is essentially the same thing as
hiding.

1805
01:14:21,951 --> 01:14:23,942
There's look there's literally no
difference there.

1806
01:14:24,812 --> 01:14:26,106
So essentially what you're doing is

1807
01:14:25,713 --> 01:14:26,713
Yeah.

1808
01:14:26,227 --> 01:14:30,539
minimizing into the doc it minimizing into
the app i ~ icon instead of into the doc

1809
01:14:29,786 --> 01:14:30,786
Yes.

1810
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:32,646
is hiding, essentially. So we're doing it
the same way.

1811
01:14:33,464 --> 01:14:35,017
I guess it I guess it is hiding,

1812
01:14:35,017 --> 01:14:36,047
right? Like

1813
01:14:35,338 --> 01:14:36,338
Yeah. And

1814
01:14:36,109 --> 01:14:40,076
so I think the only difference is that if
you have multiple windows

1815
01:14:40,076 --> 01:14:41,759
of something open the way you do it,

1816
01:14:41,759 --> 01:14:44,414
I think you can long click on the icon.

1817
01:14:44,414 --> 01:14:45,936
No, I can still do the same thing.

1818
01:14:45,936 --> 01:14:49,122
It just pulls up a context menu and I can
pull up each of the different things.

1819
01:14:48,206 --> 01:14:49,206
Yeah.

1820
01:14:49,377 --> 01:14:50,738
It does seem like it. So okay,

1821
01:14:50,738 --> 01:14:54,841
so how I yeah, I've minimizing set to apps
minimize into their doc icon.

1822
01:14:54,841 --> 01:14:57,424
So when I minimize a Safari window or
mail,

1823
01:14:57,424 --> 01:15:01,537
it doesn't show as another little icon in
my doc all the way on the right.

1824
01:15:01,537 --> 01:15:05,070
It just goes into the app. And I do that
because like for Safari,

1825
01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:08,453
I will have three Safari windows open in
the background.

1826
01:15:08,453 --> 01:15:11,575
One is my Beard FM profile, which I do my
YouTube stuff.

1827
01:15:11,575 --> 01:15:13,287
I have a primary tech profile,

1828
01:15:13,287 --> 01:15:14,818
I have a MacPower Users profile.

1829
01:15:14,818 --> 01:15:17,180
And then depending on what work I'm doing,

1830
01:15:17,447 --> 01:15:21,020
I'll open that Safari window which has all
the tabs for that task,

1831
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:27,085
for that project. And so I don't want
three Safari windows minimized on the
dock,

1832
01:15:27,085 --> 01:15:28,946
so it minimizes to the app icon.

1833
01:15:28,946 --> 01:15:32,790
And I g I guess it does really feel like
hide and minimize.

1834
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:37,133
The only difference is no, I just hit the
brave window.

1835
01:15:37,133 --> 01:15:40,336
Wait a minute. No. Okay.

1836
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:41,114
I can I can still see you.

1837
01:15:40,336 --> 01:15:41,967
The

1838
01:15:41,967 --> 01:15:46,131
only difference is I guess you don't get
to minimize animation if you hide,

1839
01:15:46,131 --> 01:15:47,131
you know.

1840
01:15:46,228 --> 01:15:47,228
I'm

1841
01:15:46,488 --> 01:15:47,488
okay with that.

1842
01:15:47,138 --> 01:15:50,751
I have the genie effect. So it like goes
into the app and will come out of the app.

1843
01:15:49,540 --> 01:15:52,271
That's why he kept saying it hides into
the icon,

1844
01:15:50,751 --> 01:15:53,614
It hides into the app, that's right.

1845
01:15:52,271 --> 01:15:54,222
because it literally goes into the icon.

1846
01:15:53,614 --> 01:15:55,245
But hiding is basically the same thing,

1847
01:15:55,245 --> 01:15:56,245
yeah.

1848
01:15:55,423 --> 01:15:59,625
Well, and so and I use minimize s as a
separate reason.

1849
01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:03,027
So I do minimize some things into the doc.

1850
01:16:03,027 --> 01:16:07,309
And I do that because so right now audio
hijack is minimized into the doc.

1851
01:16:07,309 --> 01:16:10,661
And the reason for that is I will see that
it's there and be like,

1852
01:16:10,661 --> 01:16:12,862
shoot, I should stop the recording and
then I need to send it to Steve.

1853
01:16:12,862 --> 01:16:14,183
Like right, where if I just hit it,

1854
01:16:14,183 --> 01:16:15,624
because I don't

1855
01:16:15,904 --> 01:16:18,785
We won't get into this again, but I don't
use the obnoxious dots in

1856
01:16:18,785 --> 01:16:20,846
the bottom of the icons in my in the dock,

1857
01:16:20,846 --> 01:16:23,117
right? So to me though, in some ways,

1858
01:16:23,117 --> 01:16:24,798
this is a reminder. It's like,

1859
01:16:24,798 --> 01:16:26,359
~ right now for what I'm doing,

1860
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:28,019
I don't want any of this stuff in my face.

1861
01:16:28,019 --> 01:16:30,760
But I do actually need to come back to
that browser window,

1862
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:31,970
or I do need to come back to that.

1863
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:35,302
So if I've clicked the yellow button and
minimized it into my doc,

1864
01:16:35,302 --> 01:16:39,464
it's just and to be clear, this is an area
of the dots on the thing I

1865
01:16:39,464 --> 01:16:40,465
do have strong feelings about.

1866
01:16:40,465 --> 01:16:43,646
But the other things I would explain to
someone how I do it.

1867
01:16:44,076 --> 01:16:46,959
But would not be in any way surprised if
someone's like this actually makes more

1868
01:16:46,959 --> 01:16:51,613
sense to my brain. My thing is like
whatever way makes it so you don't have
friction

1869
01:16:51,613 --> 01:16:53,995
for doing what you're doing, go ahead and
just do that.

1870
01:16:52,796 --> 01:16:54,734
That's it. Exactly.

1871
01:16:53,995 --> 01:16:54,995
There are like

1872
01:16:54,931 --> 01:16:57,238
there are good reasons for why you do it
the way you're doing.

1873
01:16:57,238 --> 01:17:01,372
There's I don't hate spaces. The only
thing I hate about spaces is that

1874
01:17:01,372 --> 01:17:05,346
I often end up with 12 or 13 blank spaces
because if I hit the corner

1875
01:17:05,426 --> 01:17:07,988
for the expose and I leave it there for a
second,

1876
01:17:07,988 --> 01:17:09,910
it shows me the little plus icon.

1877
01:17:10,127 --> 01:17:11,127
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1878
01:17:10,218 --> 01:17:11,218
And if I'm too quick

1879
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,929
to click on something, I end up with like
a whole row of blank spaces up there.

1880
01:17:14,929 --> 01:17:16,813
That's the only thing I don't like about
spaces.

1881
01:17:16,940 --> 01:17:21,241
Yeah, and I am I'm very aggressive at
closing spaces I'm not using

1882
01:17:21,781 --> 01:17:24,372
and because I'm switching between the
spaces all the time,

1883
01:17:24,372 --> 01:17:25,862
if I had a bunch of blank spaces,

1884
01:17:25,862 --> 01:17:28,243
then I have like multiple swipes to get to
final cut,

1885
01:17:28,243 --> 01:17:30,683
which will be like at the end of the
spaces chain.

1886
01:17:30,683 --> 01:17:33,744
And I don't care for that. So I will close
as I go.

1887
01:17:33,744 --> 01:17:35,684
But yeah, that's interesting. Okay.

1888
01:17:35,684 --> 01:17:37,425
So that's how we use our Mac. Let us know.

1889
01:17:37,425 --> 01:17:39,625
Leave us a five star rating and review in
Apple Podcasts.

1890
01:17:39,625 --> 01:17:41,856
Spaces on the Mac, do you do it?

1891
01:17:41,856 --> 01:17:43,906
Minimize it windows to the app icon.

1892
01:17:43,906 --> 01:17:46,547
We'd love to hear from you. We're trying
to get to five hundred five star reviews.

1893
01:17:46,875 --> 01:17:49,777
So we would appreciate that. You can watch
or listen to us on YouTube,

1894
01:17:49,777 --> 01:17:51,718
in Apple Podcasts, in Spotify,

1895
01:17:51,718 --> 01:17:53,759
subscribe and follow all the things.

1896
01:17:53,759 --> 01:17:55,820
And I appreciate all of you who support
the show.

1897
01:17:55,820 --> 01:18:00,062
We're gonna go record a bonus episode
about well-known online personality,

1898
01:18:00,062 --> 01:18:04,535
Hank Green, and his ~ faux pas maybe about
AI,

1899
01:18:04,535 --> 01:18:07,246
or is it really a faux pas? We're gonna
get into that the bonus episode.

1900
01:18:07,246 --> 01:18:08,867
There's a link down in the show notes,

1901
01:18:08,867 --> 01:18:13,630
and you can click it and get the bonus and
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1902
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:15,711
or $25 a year. ~

1903
01:18:15,907 --> 01:18:17,998
And we appreciate all of you who are
members who do that.

1904
01:18:17,998 --> 01:18:19,309
Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching.

1905
01:18:19,309 --> 01:18:20,530
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