Case Updates: Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Kouri Richins, & Orrin and Orson West

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Welcome to Pretty Lies and Alibis.
Let's seek the truth and travel the long
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road to justice together. What you
know, alibyers, Welcome to another episode
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of Pretty Lies and Alibis. I'm
gig. It's Wednesday and Monday and Tuesday
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we played part one and two of
the big Reunion episode with my bestest friend
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in the whole world, Fruit Loop, who co founded this podcast, as
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you know, moved on in July
of last year to follow her passion,
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which is providing a safe place for
domestic violence victims with Brianne, her co
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founder, and on behalf of them. I just want to say a huge,
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huge thank you to everybody who was
able to and chose to donate.
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I know everybody doesn't have the means, so just positive vibes sent their way
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is amazing. But to those of
you who bought things off that Amazon wish
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list or sent donations, they have
been blown away. I've gotten a couple
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of texts from them today. They
just had no clue that it would be
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so successful. And thank you guys
from the bottom of my heart. You
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guys know better than anybody how domestic
violent situations can end up, which is
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in a really terrible headline, and
so what they're doing is providing a place
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to prevent that. And not only
that, they're providing a place where they
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are giving counseling by a licensed counselor, they are assisting them with finding jobs
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and breaking that cycle that tends to
be kind of like an heirloom handed down
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from generation to generation, those cycles
of abuse. So thank you so much
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on behalf of Fruit Loop am Brianne. You guys rock. You are amazing.
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I think we have the best group
of listeners out there. Music fact
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of the day Phil Collins, who
I love. He had more top forty
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hits on the Billboard Hot one hundred
during the eighties than any other artist,
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and I would believe that I have
to say, against all odds, maybe
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my favorite by him because that song
is sung with so much passion, like
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you can feel that song. Such
a great artist. I hate that he's
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not able to tour anymore due to
back issues, but I still love jamming
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out to some Phil Collins every now
and then. Real quick update on Caitlin
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Armstrong. As we know, she
was arrested for murdering fellow cyclist Moe Wilson.
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This is the girl who ran off
to Costa Rica got like the face
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job, came back, and now
she's in jail awaiting trial. It was
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set to originally start on June twenty
sixth, but now that's been moved to
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October thirtieth, so I wanted to
give you a heads up on that.
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It's a busy summer. There's a
lot of big trials coming up, and
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a lot of what I'm in to
cover depends on when Laurie Valo is going
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to be SINISD. I've heard maybe
August. Nothing in Stone yet, and
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then she'll have those conspiracy charges in
Arizona that I hope to go out for.
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But in the meantime, let's talk
about some other cases that we have
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been covering but haven't caught up on. Pretty much. For the whole six
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weeks that I was out in Boise
covering Laurie Valo, I really honestly had
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no time to catch up on any
of the other cases that we've been following.
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So I'm kind of getting back into
the groove now. It took about
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a week for me to sort of
decompress from that trial, and I have
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to admit the crime scene photos and
the photos of the children's bodies and Tammy
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bothered me way more than I ever
thought they would. And I'm not shocked
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at crime scene photos for the most
part. I worked in a morgue for
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a while. I've seen some really
really terrible stuff, but you know,
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anytime it involves children, there's a
heaviness to it, and these are really
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disturbed me. I'm doing fine.
I'm definitely processing it at all. But
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it did when I got home and
things got quiet, really was when it
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sort of hit me what I had
seen happen to those three victims, and
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especially the kids with how graphic it
was. And yeah, so I just
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do appreciate your patients and letting me
come home and just sort of decompress.
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I really needed it most of all. I just needed some time with my
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kids and my family, and it's
been amazing. But we're back to the
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grind because that's what we do and
that's how I'm happiest. So we're going
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to update to all good old Elik
Murdock. I mean, literally, all
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indictments are flying around like mosquitoes in
the South in July. They're everywhere,
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and it's been announced today he was
hit with twenty two federal indictments, including
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conspiracy, wire fraud, bank fraud, and money laundering charges. So the
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press release from the FED say in
one scheme, The indictment alleges that from
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at least September of two thousand and
five until at least September of twenty twenty
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one, Elik devised a scheme to
defraud to obtain money by means of false
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pretenses. The indictment also alleges that, as part of this scheme, he
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routed and redirected client settlement funds to
personally enrich himself, including by drafting or
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directing law firm employees to drafts disbursement
sheets to send settlement funds to guess what
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his accounts without proper disclosure or client
or law firm approval, Also claiming funds
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held in the law firm's trust account
as attorneys fees and directing the disbursement of
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those for guess whose benefit Elik Murdoch, claiming and collecting attorney's fees on fake
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or non existent annuities, creating fraudulent
expenses that were never incurred on client matters,
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and directing the disbursement of attlement funds
to pay the sided costs, including
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claimed medical expenses, construction expenses and
airline expenses, directing other attorneys with whom
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he was associated on client matters to
disperse attorney fees directly to him, rather
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than appropriately routing the feast to the
law firm and intercepting insurance proceeds intended for
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the beneficiaries and depositing them where into
his personal account was a moron. In
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a second scheme, the indictment alleges
that from in or around July of twenty
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eleven until at least October of twenty
twenty one, Ellick conspired with his banker,
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Russell Lafitte to commit wire fraud and
bank fraud. The indictment alleges that
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Murdra and his law firm asked Lafitte
to serve as a personal representative or conservator
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on numerous personal injury clients. Lafitte
collected over three hundred and fifty thousand dollars
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in fees as personal representative or conservative
for Murdoch's personal injury clients. As part
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of the scheme, the indictment alleges
Murdoch directed law firm employees to make settlements
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cash payable to quote palmetto state bank
end quote. The checks were then delivered
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to Lafitte, whom Murdoch directed to
use the settlement funds for guess whose benefit,
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Ellik Murdoch. The funds were used
to pay off his personal loans and
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for personal expenses and cash withdrawals.
Note that private jet. They took a
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few places, just saying. In
November of twenty twenty two, Russell Lafitte
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was convicted on six federal charges,
including conspiracy, new commit wire fraud,
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and bank fraud. He is awaiting
sentencing and in a third scheme, yeah,
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because you know there's gonna be three
with Murdoch. It alleges that insects
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September of twenty fifteen, he created
a bank account in the name of Forge,
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presenting as a legal corporation for structuring
insurance settlements. Of course we know
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Elik Murdoch was the owner of and
the only authorized signer on his fake Fourge
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account. The indictment alleges that from
in or around May twenty seventeen through at
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least July of twenty twenty one,
he funnels stolen personal injury settlements through that
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fake Furge account. He's charged with
fourteen counts of money laundering for using the
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transactions in the fake Forge account to
conceal the proceeds of his fraud. The
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indictment further alleges from in or around
February twenty eighteen until at least October twenty
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twenty, he conspired with a personal
injury attorney in Bufort to defraud the estate
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of Murda's former housekeeper and Murda's homeowners
insurance carriators. This is the Glorious Adderfield
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case. In February of two thousand
and eight teen, Murda's housekeeper. They
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didn't name her, but will go
ahead and say her name, Gloria Sadderfield.
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She passed away after a fall at
the Murda's home. Now here's the
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interesting thing. Murdo just recently admitted
that he lied that the dogs knocked her
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over. So my question is this, how do you get all those injuries
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from falling down a few stairs.
Murda recommended the housekeeper's estate hire the Bufor
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attorney to represent them and file a
claim against Murda to collect from his homeowner's
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insurance policies. So the insurance companies
settled the estate's claim for five hundred and
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five thousand and three point eight million
dollars The indictment alleges that Murda and the
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personal injury attorney conspired to siphon settlement
funds disguised as prosecution expenses for their own
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personal enrichment. The indictment further alleges
that Murdo directed the bufor attorney to draft
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checks totaling nearly three point five million
dollars payable to that fake Forge account.
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Cheez Louise, how does this dude
rest his head at night? I mean,
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you have defrauded so many vulnerable people. He deposited all that, by
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the way, into that fake Forge
account and use the funds for his own
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personal enrichment. The estate did not
receive any of the settlement funds. However,
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we do know that Glorious Adderfield's children
have settled and that the settlement was
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more than what was actually stolen for
them. Good for them, and they
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should be taken care of. So
One count of conspiracy to come at wire
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and bank fraud, what is that? Punishable by up to thirty years in
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prison and a fine up to a
million dollars. One count of bank fraud
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punishable same thirty years, million dollars
fine. Two council wire fraud punishable by
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up to thirty years in prison for
each count and a fine up to a
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million dollars. Better be winning a
lot of sports bets and forego the five
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cans of soup and the bee sticks
because he gonna need lots of money to
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settle this stuff. Three counts a
wire fraud, punishable by up to twenty
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years in prison and a fine of
two hundred and fifty thousand, one kind
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of conspiracy to commit wire fraud,
which is punishable by up to twenty years
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in prison and a fine of a
million dollars, And last, but not
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least, fourteen counts of money laundering, punishable by up to twenty years in
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prison and a fine of up to
five hundred thousand dollars. So what do
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I think. I think he'll just
plead guilty to all these and he can
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go to a nice, cushy little
federal prison where they play pickleball at like
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three. You know, with all
of his other stealing buddies that he's going
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to make in there. Who knows
what's up. We know that the people
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over the money denied him the chance
to dip into some money to pay his
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attorneys, So it'll be curious to
see if him Griffin and Dick Harpootlian state
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on pro bono or are they gonna
say see you later, buddy, here's
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your public defenders. Lots going on. That man could die and be revived
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like fifty times and still have time
to serve. So if you like was
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Laurie Valo and believed in different probations, he gonna need like fifty probations to
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serve all this time. He's up
against I think at last count, before
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all this, he might have been
facing like seven hundred years in prison.
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Every one of these victims deserves their
account to be put against him and ruled
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upon. He's toast, y'all toast
all right, So we're gonna jump over
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to Coburger. And this is a
little bit of a hard one to sort
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of weed through all the speculation room
rumor. Believe me, I've been eyeball
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deep in speculation and a rumor.
But fact wise us all we're doing here
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so as we know, a secret
grand jury and Daddy Cooburger on four counts
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of murder in the first and one
count of burglary. And that also means
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that preliminary hearing for June. It's
no longer needed. It's been vacated.
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We will not hear any details until
this goes to trial. Very very smart
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move by the state to go through
the grand jury because it keeps things out
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of the public. Ultimately, what
we want is a conviction when the evidence
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proves he committed these murders, and
so what letting stuff like this out into
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the public is a really good way. I'm taking this off, y'all if
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you're watching on YouTube, I'd have
had band on because I was outside working
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on the car. But there that
feels better. I think my brain was
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getting squeezed or something. I had
it on too tight. We all want
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to know, right, we all
want to know what did they get him
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on. We know the DNA was
on that sheath that was found in one
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of the victim's rooms. But you
know, we can wait until trial to
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find out these details. It's there's
a gag order in the case. There's
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a lot going on, but all
we want is a successful conviction. I'm
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cool with things being put under seal
because the truth comes out eventually, just
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like with Lorie Valo, we saw
a lot come out at that trial we
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had no clue of and I'm okay
with sealing documents if they feel that's what's
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needed to get a fair trial.
Think about it. This is in Idaho,
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in Moscow, it's tiny. I
have a feeling this may end up
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back in Boise. I would love
to go out to Boise to cover this.
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When it goes to trial in October, we shall see. But Koburger
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nodded as the judge read the charges. What did Cooburger do in court?
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He nodded as the judge read the
charges and said, yes, if he
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understood the charges. The judge read
Zanna, Ethan, Kaylee, and Maddie's
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names out loud with each count.
I hear that the judge guy Kaylee wrong
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and called her Kayla. Not a
good look as a huge case. The
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world's watching, and it could be
nerves. I'm not judging, but I'm
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just saying that had to be hard
for her family that her name was gotten
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wrong. He chose to stand silent. The judge entered a not guilty plea
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on his behalf. Now, legal
analysts that I've watched say, among several
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reasons to do this, one could
be that maybe it helps if he wants
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to take a plea deal down the
road. There are sixty days from now
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for the state to ask for death
fully expect that to happen. Trial date
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was set to October second. They
estimate this trial could tape four to six
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weeks now. News Nations Brian Inton
was in the courtroom and said the families
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came and took up a lot of
that courtroom. He said Kaylee's sister brought
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her new baby to court and the
baby made cooing noises throughout the proceedings and
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according to Brian Inton, that was
very powerful in a subtle way. You
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have this new life for this family
right there in that courtroom. Surely a
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little bit of joy after what has
been just an unimaginable several months since these
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brutal murders happened. After the arraignment, there was a hearing about the gag
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order in the case, and the
judge said that with the media going to
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the Supreme Court about the gag order, it has slowed down the process.
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He also said the media needs to
tone down their challenge about the gag order.
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Kaylee's family attorney addressed the judge and
wants the gag order issue dealt with
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this week. The judge did not
rule and said that that would be addressed
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at a hearing on June ninth.
The other issue that will be addressed at
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that hearing is regarding cameras in the
courtroom. There is an evidentiary hearing for
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June twenty seventh. The bodycam where
he was pulled over for blocking a crosswalk.
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I watched that finally. It's very
interesting now. The stop was fifteen
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minutes, and he was more argumentative
than compliant. Here's my thing. I
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bet he's like a Lori Valo with
his attorneys, except he has a little
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bit of a legal background with his
courses that he's taken in college, and
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the cop eventually had to go pull
up the law to show him you can't
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block a crosswalk, you know.
Can you imagine having to manage your client
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who thinks they know more than you
when you're trying to do everything you can
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to get them a fair trial.
I think it's probably one of those things
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where those lawyers may want to go
through themselves in traffic when they leave their
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clients, a source told Dateline,
which they just aired a special this past
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weekend. I have yet to watch
it, but I did read a few
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different synopsises of it. A source
told Dateline that Coburger's older sister was suspicious
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during the holidays, that he may
have killed Zanna, Ethan, Kaylee,
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and Maddie when Brian was home after
seeing him wearing latex gloves and knowing the
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white Nissan that he drove was the
car being sought after by authorities in Idaho.
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Kaylee's dad, Steve, was on
Bamfield and talked about the death penalty.
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He said, you can't just hunt
our babies. Come to our state
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and hunt our people. It's unacceptable. We're a small state, but you're
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going to see how strong we are
and how big we are when you mess
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with us here in Idaho. We
can control one thing, and you just
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can't hunt babies down. Bless his
heart, I cannot imagine his burden.
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He ended by saying, the line
has been crossed and we're gonna go there.
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It's interesting to read into his past, and I'm starting to do that
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just away from the Facebook group,
so I can figure out his past in
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a way where I feel comfortable giving
it. But he enrolled in twenty twenty
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at de Sales, where, according
to a fellow student, he showed major
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interest in mass murders and crime scenes. One professor remembered him as a brilliant
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student, and people who worked at
the Seven Sirens Brewing Company in Pennsylvania said
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Brian oftentimes would sit alone, stare
at people, and then eventually he would
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harass women. After he kind of
knocked back a few beers. He would
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ask them creepy questions about where they
lived or who they were with. A
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bartender refused to answer his questions and
Brian called her the B word. The
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owner of the brewing company confronted Brian, asking him to please be more respectful.
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Research projects that have been made public
also give a glimpse into Brian coburger.
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It says, hi, my name
is Brian. The study seeks to
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understand the story behind your most recent
criminal offense. Now, he was addressing
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people that have been arrested within an
emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your
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experience. This research has been approved
by the De Sales University. Thank you
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for your time. Some of the
questions upon arriving, what steps did you
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take prior to locating the victim or
target? How did you leave the scene,
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did you struggle or fight with the
victim? Did you prepare for the
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crime before leaving your home, how
did you travel to an into the location
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that the crime occurred before making your
move? How did you approach the victim
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or target? How did you accomplish
your goal. It's crazy to think that
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murdering another human or committing a crime
against somebody's considered a goal, and it
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says, please explain what you were
thinking and feeling now we know. Once
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he moved to Washington for that PhD
in criminology, he was deemed by students
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as a very harsh grater who would
often put handwritten notes with criticism, and
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his reputation there really was not a
good one. People labeled him as arrogant
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and alienating, and he was known
for being pretentious and always striving to show
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he was smarter than others, especially
women. The other thing is the nine
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one one call, which has never
been released. I'm very interested to hear
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it, but someone in the know
stated it was a frat brother who made
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that call. Kaylee's dad said that
one of the roommates who was in the
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house at the time of the murder. There's Dylan passed out after the nine
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one one call, which could explain
the unconscious person that was mentioned on that
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nine one one call. A lot
of us were very confused about the difference
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between unconscious and a very graphic,
bloody crime scene. Americans spend an average
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of ninety percent of their time indoors. According to the EPA, indoor air
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could be two to five times more
polluted than outdoor air, and in some
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cases it could be one hundred times
more polluted. We take about twenty thousand
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breaths per day. That's almost three
gallons of possibly polluted air. Airborne allergens
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are the most common allergy triggers,
such as pollen, pet dander, dust
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receive up to thirty nine percent off. So we're going to move on to
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Corey Richens. This one's got me
intrigued, jall. And it's not a
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complicated case to see what happened,
but I'm always interested in the psychology of
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why things happened. Now she's thirty
three and she's been arrested and charged with
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killing her husband, Eric, who
was thirty nine. And get this,
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y'all, after she murdered him,
she proceeded to write a children's book about
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grief on the subject of children losing
their fathers. You can't make this stuff
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up. So the two of them
met while she was working at a home
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depot in Utah. He shot their
office, so they were married, had
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kids, and they lived in a
really small mountain town near Park City,
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Utah. She's accused of murdering Eric, the father of their three kids,
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by putting five times the lethal Dosa
finnil into a drink. It took over
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a year of investigating before she was
arrested, so the number one one call
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was placed on March fourth, twenty
two, around three twenty am. Eric
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was found on the floor at the
foot of the bed and was dead when
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first responders arrived. They did try
some life saving measures, but unfortunately it
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was too late. She had told
office that they were celebrating a closing on
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a house she had just made for
her business. The night before, she
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said that they had a vodka drink
and put the kids to bed. And
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another version that she told is that
she fell asleep with one of their children
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because of a night terror they were
having, and then when she went into
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their bedroom around three am, he
was at the foot of the bed.
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Found me cold to the touch.
Now here's the thing. Corey said she
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left her phone in the bedroom that
night, but guess what, it was
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found that she had been opening her
phone several times in the time frame he
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would have been dead on the floor, which obviously she would have seen if
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she left her phone in the bedroom
and your husband is laying dead on your
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floor. There were text messages that
were sent and received during this timeframe,
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but guess what the text were deleted. Now, whether or not they retrieved
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those texts, we don't know yet. I will be curious to see.
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An informant told investigators that she dealt
Corey hydra code on and finnil in the
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months and the week prior to his
murder. Corey told the dealer the drugs
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were for an investor who had back
pain. I don't know about y'all,
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but I would not be going to
some drug dealer for any investor, or
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really anybody at all ever, but
an investor. You're gonna rise a jail
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time, prison time when we know
it's alive. It going, Oh,
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my investor has back pain. Let
me just not encourage him to go see
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a pain doctor and just kid on
the street where Finneil's everywhere, so scary,
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what is out there? I saw
a video just recently of a cop
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who did a traffic stop and got
like a tiny, tiny amount of finneil
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on her hand and had to be
revived with narcan scary stuff. Yea off,
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you see me wearing rubber gloves out
in public. I'm not a germophobe.
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I'm just scared of Fintneill being on
something. I'm telling you, I'm
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neurotic about it. She tried to
kill him near Valentine's Day by putting drugs
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into a sandwich, but he survived. She then went to the dealer asking
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for something stronger, including quote,
some of the Michael Jackson stuff quote and
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typically asked for Fintonil. Now,
the Michael Jackson stuff she's referring to that
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is propafal that's typically given right before
you're under anesthesia. It's white, it
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looks milky, and it's not easy
to get. You have to have a
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connection inside a hospital. Ever since
Michael Jackson's death, that stuff is very
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heavily regulated. So no dice on
that for her. But what did her
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dealer do? Contacted another dealer on
February twenty six of twenty twenty two,
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which was six days before his murder, asking for the Finneil. So Corey
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paid nine hundred dollars for Finteil pills
just days before he was killed, and
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then just right before the murder,
she asked for another nine hundred dollars worth.
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The dealer must have made a deal
and will testify against her, is
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kind of the vibe I'm getting,
and I really do think that's going to
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solidify this case in a lot of
ways, especially with text communications or even
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phone calls to a dealer. So
he was suspicious that she was trying to
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poison him for quite a while,
including a trip degrees a few years ago.
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He had actually called a sister and
said he had gotten super sick after
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having a drink she had given him. He also told his family if something
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happened to him, it would be
from her. He had also previously told
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a friend he thought his wife had
poisoned him after he got six shortly after
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eating. He told the friend he
was worried she may kill him for the
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money. Investigators found communications between the
Corey and the drug dealer. Those started
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in about December of twenty twenty one, by the way up into as we
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know now February of twenty twenty two. So she was charged in May of
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aggravated murder first degree felony, two
counts of possession of a controlled substance with
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intent to distribute, second degree felonies
by the way, and one possession of
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a controlled substance. The last charge
was amended on May eighteenth to include intent
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to distribute. She was also in
possession of the date rate drug. From
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two fifteen to twenty seventeen. She
bought four separate life insurance policies on her
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husband without his knowledge, and the
total of all four of those policies nearly
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two million dollars. She also tried
the change the beneficiary from his sister to
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herself, a little similar in Valoday
Belle, where he put his sister in
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charge of everything. Years before his
murder, she had taken out a two
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars home equity
line of credit and spent all of it
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without him knowing. She took one
hundred thousand dollars from his bank accounts and
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spent over thirty thousand dollars on his
credit cards. And as if that wasn't
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enough, she also stole one hundred
and thirty four thousand dollars from his business,
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which was designated for tax payments.
So you see, it's kind of
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that that money. Obviously it's a
money motive. He confronted her about that
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money, and she agreed she would
pay it back. Family members who spoke
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with him Investigators said Eric was wanting
a divorce and had changed his life insurance
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policy and will shortly before his murder. Documents confirmed that he met with an
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attorney and an estate planner way back
in October of twenty twenty, and that
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was just a month after he found
out she had made all those financial moves
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with the home equity, stealing money
from the business. Now she found out
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two months after his murder that he
had changed to the beneficiary to his sister
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and not to her. His sister
was also named the manager of his estate
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and trust. Now. Corey,
of course, had been arguing with his
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family since the day after the murder, and I read she punched his sister
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in the face. Corey sued the
family for more than three point six million
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and also wanted to remove Eric's sister, her name is Katie Benson, as
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the trustee, saying that they had
a pre nump and her husband signed which
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gave her his asset if he died
before they divorced. There had also been
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arguments between Corey and his family about
how to split a masonry business with Eric's
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former partner and also the trust he
had for his next of ken. They
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also apparently have been at odds about
an unfinished your mansion two million dollars the
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day after She finalized that the day
after he was murdered by the way,
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she wanted to resell it quickly.
However, Eric was not on board with
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that. He didn't want to do
it due to the two million dollar price
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tag on the house. I mean, who would want to say, if
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you're not rolling in the dough that, yeah, let's put two thousand two
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or two million dollars on a twenty
thousand square foot mansion. This is not
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even finished because it's not finished.
I looked it up after his murderer.
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The hear is the kicker. Here's
just sort of like the insult to injury.
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She wrote a book for children about
grief. It was called Are You
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With Me? It was released five
days after the one year anniversary of his
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death, about children coping with the
loss of a father. Now. A
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month before her arrest, she appeared
on a show called Good Things Utah to
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promote that same book. The article
on ABC four says she tells us she
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needed the distraction and a way to
channel and articulate the family's feelings. The
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Beautiful Book is based around Corey's three
c's connection. Keep the person's spirit alive,
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who has past, talking about them, sharing memories of them doing the
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things they used to do. Letting
children tell stories of those loved ones continuity,
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Try and keep routines and schedules as
normal as possible, sports, school
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pickups and drop offs, living situation, friends, etc. Keep their normal
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daily environment for as long as possible. You know how you do that.
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You don't kill their dad, woman
care, affirming their feelings, Understanding when
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they are sad, mad, lonely, and talking about those feelings and letting
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them know it's okay. Don't try
to change their feelings, but letting them
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cope with the stages of Greece with
plenty of hugs, kisses and empathy.
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She said, it's, you know, explaining to my kid, just because
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he's not present with us physically doesn't
mean his presence isn't here with us.
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She told the anchors, who actually
told her what an amazing woman she was.
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They had no idea, y'all.
By the way, she hit it
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well, even though at that point
she was well under investigation. Sometimes they
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just let these people do this.
Come on in the air, give somebody
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enough rope, you know the rest
of the story. She said her inspiration
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for writing the book was due to
lack of resources for this, and had
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planned to write sequels. So,
in other words, not enough books on
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the situation where kids lose their father. So I'm gonna write one and then
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two more. Eric was very well
known in the community as family were in
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politics and apparently very active in their
church. The children who are with members
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of Eric's family and his sister,
I believe the one is who is the
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trustee has actually filed to be their
guardian. So about this goes back to
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fruit Loop and Brianne's hiding place.
About six percent of the seventeen thousand,
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nine hundred and seventy males who were
murdered in twenty twenty one were victims of
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intimate partner homicide. So her next
court appearance is set for June twelfth.
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It was rescheduled after the defense filed
emotion to continue. I'm keeping an eye
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on that one. Very interesting.
Another one of those where you just sort
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of think, well, what was
she thinking? Did she think this would
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work? And that's the thing y'all, it ain't gonna work, okay.
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So I wanted to update on Orn
and Orson West, whose birth and given
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names were sincere and classic. I
want to acknowledge that because that is a
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big part of what their parents,
their biological parents, find important. I'm
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going to refer to him as Orn
and Orson because we didn't know this until
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much later in the case. So
as we know, the boys were adopted
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by Jacqueline and Trezelle West. They
were reported missing on December twenty first,
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twenty twenty, and had not been
seen for a while prior to that.
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Their bodies, by the way,
have never been found and they need to
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fess up and tell where those sweet
babies are. But Jacqueline and Triesll West
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moved from Bakersfield, California, to
Cows City in twenty twenty, which is
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where the boys were reported missing from. They were found guilty of five of
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the seven charges against them. They
were found guilty second degree murder and involuntary
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manslaughter only for Oran, not for
Orson, which blows my mind. Blows
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my mind completely. If one's missing
and you haven't found them, there's a
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really good chance it's the same fate
Unfortunately for the other. They were found
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guilty on child cruelty and falsely reporting
an emergency for both and Orson. The
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jury was just deadlocked on the charges
of second degree murder and conspiracy to commit
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murder for Orson, and a mistrial
was declared on those two charges. They'll
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decided sentencing whether or not to retry
them on them counts. I hope they
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do. On the account for conspiracy
to commit murder, that was not unanimous,
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the vote was eight guilty for not
guilty. For involuntary manslaughter, it
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had ten votes for guilty and two
not guilty. During the trial, it
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was revealed that investigators became suspicious after
interviewing the West's other children and after an
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interview on December twenty eighth, twenty
twenty, which was just about a week
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after the boys were reported missing,
the eldest child told a sulcier worker that
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was interviewing him. The night before
Oran apparently died, Jacqueline and Trezelle put
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Orange's food in a blender and then
put it in a bottle. He said
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the reason that his parents did this
is because Orange chow with his mouth open.
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He also said Oran took a drink
from Orson, and the parents told
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Orson to punch Oran. He did
not see the child his brother. I
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mean, why are you adopting kids. You're not adopting them because you love
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them. They were fostering kids.
They had several foster kids, and it's
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all about the money with these people. These kids are a pay check when
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that adoption because final, you get
no more money for those kids. I
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fully believe that these people took in
these kids for money. Their child said
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that the night that Oran apparently was
murdered, he heard strange noises coming from
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his bed. He said he saw
vomit coming from Oran's nose, and his
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parents told him Oran had died.
The child said when he touched Oran,
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he was cold. He said his
parents and told him not to say a
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word or he and his siblings would
be taken away from them. He said
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that Orson moved with the family to
Cow's City, but disappeared not long after
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the move. He said his parents
had told him that Orson went to his
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grandmother's house. Also revealed at the
trial was a discrepancy. Jacqueline told authorities
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she said she ran down the street
to look for the boys, but guess
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what surveillance cameras don't live and it
didn't back up her story. They found
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also she had been on the phone
with her oldest son for four to five
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minutes during that exact time frame.
Other discrepancies that came out was when they
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said they had visited Jacqueline's mother for
her birthday on December fifth. The West
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claimed they dropped things off and left. However, Jacqueline's mother said they stayed
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and Triselle went and got food.
She does not remember or and Orson being
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with him at the time, and
cell phone records showed that both Jacqueline and
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Trizelle were in different parts of Bakersfield, California, that day. Trizelle's mother
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also said she babysat for them on
September nineteenth of twenty twenty, and only
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therefore children were there, not or
In Orson. She just assumed Jacqueline's mom
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had the boys. Investigators ultimately believed
that Orn was killed just before the family
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made that move to cal City,
and they were worried that Triselle's mom would
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be suspicious if she only saw Oran, which their theory is why Orson was
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killed. As well. Triselle's mom
and her husband had planned to visit the
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family in cal City for Christmas.
She's sent some gifts for the kids and
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asked for a family photo of all
of them in front of a fireplace,
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which she never got. Investigators believed
that that was the pressure that forced Jacqueline
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and Triselle to make the call that
said the boys were missing. Sentencing is
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set for July thirteenth. In that
case, they faced life in prison,
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and I do hope they retry that
case, and I also hope there's some
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revelations maybe we find the boys.
Those sweet babies need to be laid to
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rest in a proper way, much
like jj Antily. We're still waiting on
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that as well. I'm hoping to
goodness those babies are released soon, and
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I'm hoping that or Orson's bodies are
found. Maybe that will answer the fact
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that Orson was murdered. I just
don't understand you. I know that you
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have testimony from one kid who I
believe is twelve now ten at the time,
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who physically saw that Oran was dead. It blows my mind that this
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jury could say, yeah, you're
guilty of killing Oran and conspiring to kill
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him, but not Orson. These
babies were tiny. They were toddlers.
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They don't disappear on their own.
Somebody took them or trees ellen jackal and
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hurt them. So I was very
disappointed without outcome when this was handed down.
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I wasn't able to really read much
about it, and I think I
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might have said that they were found
guilty on both the serious counts of murder,
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but unfortunately for little Orson, justice
was not served for him. So
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maybe the next guy around. I
hope they do it all right, guys,
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that's it, So what's the plan
now. I'm just still catching up
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on cases. That's kind of how
the rest of the week's going to be.
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Next week I will start Latitia Stout. So many of you just didn't
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have time to watch the trial.
Orn In Orson West as well as Letitia
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Stouk, came at the very beginning
of valo I was in Valoville for six
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sile of weeks, very busy.
So I'm just playing catch up for you
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guys and for me who have been
emotionally invested in these cases, all involving
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children, just so disturbing, But
we will get there. I'm gonna kind
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of go at my own pace.
I'm not gonna stress myself out too much.
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But we'll be cranking out some episodes
on a regular basis for you now.
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Sunday night at seven, I'm planning
to do a big live for everybody.
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I do them once a week for
my Patreon subscribers. Remember Patreon,
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you don't get anything. The general
public doesn't get what you do get.
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They got the reunion episode a couple
of days early. But I do a
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weekly live. If you're a top
pay a member, you get a free
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T shirt. It's not much.
I will never charge you for episodes.
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So anyways, so that's it for
today. We'll see you tomorrow with some
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more news of other cases that have
come and gone. I would like to
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follow you're on Vanderslute, who is
widely believed to have murdered Natalie Holloway years
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ago. So just a lot of
cases that I'm very excited to bring to
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you guys. And so we have
a lot coming up. This summary,
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y'all a lot of things. We're
going to be very busy. I'm going
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to be here every step of the
way. Thank you guys so much for
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supporting me through all this. Thank
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high words in my inbox, which
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I have a lot of messages.
I didn't check them for pretty much
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six weeks, y'all, so there's
a lot going on. But hey,
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we'll get there together, right,
Okay, guys, We'll see you soon.
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Hope you have a great rest of
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