Church and State - Making TDS an Official Mental Health Diagnosis with Dr Carole

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Spokane Valley could become a sanctuary city of a different kind.
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Councilman Caleb Collier says that this proposal... I'm proposing that
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bringing on the terrorist therapist, Dr. Carol Lieberman. She's a MD, MPH,
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internationally renowned as the terrorist therapist, is a board-certified Beverly
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Hills psychiatrist, three-time Emmy-honored television personality, radio talk show host,
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best-selling author, and professional speaker. It's quite a resume. And Dr. Lieberman,
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it is a pleasure to have you on the show.
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Thank you. My pleasure to be here.
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Absolutely. So, number one, I just got to ask, I'm
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sure the audience is as inquisitive as I am, the
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terrorist therapist, how did you come up with this?
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Well, you know, first of all, what it means is
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I'm not a therapist for terrorists, but I am a
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therapist for people who are coping with terrorism. You know,
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it started, of course, with 9-11. And then since then,
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I've been going to London for their 9-11, which was
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7-7 of 2005. And I had a book come out
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for the one-year anniversary of their— of 7-7. in London, and
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then I've been to Manchester in the UK and Paris
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for their terror attacks, and then most recently to Israel
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after 10-7. So that's kind of how it started, helping
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people to cope with 9-11 and then other attacks. But
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since then, I have been more and more using my
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position as a terrorist therapist to warn people about the
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fact that terrorism isn't over, that we are in more danger— well,
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everybody is in the world, but in the United States,
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we are in more danger now than we were before 9-11.
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And the danger is primarily an inside job, Since 9-11,
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the terrorists have not— they have been continuing, of course, their attacks,
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not as big as 9-11, but what they have been
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doing that's more insidious and more dangerous is they have
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been gathering influence in education and in politics and in media.
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So they have been— I mean, you just have to look
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around at who's running for the midterms. And they have
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been getting more and more powerful all over America and
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changing rules. I mean, you know, in New York City,
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for example, the main site of 9-11, we have the
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call to prayer, the Muslim call to prayer played— every
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day in Manhattan, and perhaps in other boroughs as well. But,
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I mean, who would have thought? Nobody would have believed
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that if you had told them that right after 9-11.
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And it's happening, of course, in Dearborn, Michigan, and Texas,
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and Florida. I mean, it's really happening all over these seeds,
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especially since the border was so porous, these seeds of... Yes,
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not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims.
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I have to say that. However, Muslims who aren't terrorists
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have not really been helping. They have not been trying
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to convince their brethren that this is not okay.
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Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Now, all Americans,
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I guess I can't say that because there is a
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younger generation now that doesn't remember 9-11. They weren't alive
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during that time, but For people my age and even younger,
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they remember distinctly where they were. For myself, I was
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serving in the United States Marine Corps when 9-11 happened.
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And that is something I will remember for the rest
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of my life, where I was, the smells. I mean,
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all of that, I will remember that. But terrorism is
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such an interesting idea, I guess, to be at war
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at or with. But we moved from... being at war
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with nations to now war against ideas. And terrorism doesn't
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have borders. We defeat them in Afghanistan or something like that, right?
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Pick your country. It moves locations and it keeps coming
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at us. And as you pointed out, it's not just
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specific to Islam. And I would even say within this
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country with that red-green access, I would point to a
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number of different cases, school shootings and things like that,
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where it's actually the radical left, these radical communists, that
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are also engaging in terrorism as well.
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Yes, yes. That red-green alliance, you know, when 9-11 happened,
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first of all, I knew nothing about terrorism. I didn't
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think it was something I had to know about. But
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when it happened, and I'm a born-and-bred New Yorker, although
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I was living already in California at the time, my
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heart was and is still in New York. And so
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it particularly affected me, 9-11. But also, I had this sense,
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it's hard to describe it, But I just had a
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sense that terrorism was going to be the biggest danger
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in my lifetime. And so that's why I decided to
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take a portion of my work to focus on terrorism.
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You know, so years— and when that happened, you know, I
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had to quickly did a crash course on what is terrorism.
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And that included going to a lot of conferences about
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terrorism and reading books and so on. So at these conferences,
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the experts, people who were already experts in terrorism, said
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that it was going to be coming in this more
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insidious kind of way with terrorists growing, you know— starting now,
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or some of them had started already, and making their
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way to the top of education and media and politics. And,
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you know, I look back on that and I think,
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why didn't anyone listen to them? You know, I mean,
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we knew this was going to happen, or they knew,
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and they, of course, tried to tell as many people
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as possible. But and so I heard along the way
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I heard about the Red Green Alliance. But, you know,
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back even 10 years ago, that was not such a
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big deal. I mean, it was like something that I
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just kind of stored in my memory. You know, oh,
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there's this thing called the Red Green Alliance and it's
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the communists and Stalinists and the Marxists and Marxists. Actually,
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at that time, the Democrats hadn't gone so far that way.
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But and they're combining with the terrorists. OK, that's interesting.
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But in the last 10 years, five years, I mean,
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it has really become a thing, become a danger, become
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a serious danger that people do need to know about
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and worry about and do something about. not just worry about.
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And so they— and, you know, the funny thing about it
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is that they don't really agree with each other on
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a lot of things. Terrorists certainly don't believe in LGBTQ +,
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for example. They throw them off the rooftops. And the
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Marxists don't necessarily believe— well, they don't believe in the So
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they're just banded together to– what they do both agree
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on is to destroy America. They both want to destroy America. Yeah.
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so they have made this they become strange bedfellows for
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the purpose of overthrowing America and unfortunately this has made
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them really powerful and because you know people who wouldn't
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necessarily vote for a terrorist or you know a someone
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who was a religious radical Islamist, you know, kind of
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go along with it. If it's also that they bring
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in the Marxist philosophy, oh, the government's going to give
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me all this free stuff. Okay. All right. Whatever, whatever
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they believe in, whatever religion they believe in. And it's really,
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it's gotten, it's gotten over the top now.
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It certainly has. And, you know, what you're saying, you know,
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this is something that Marxists identified a very long time ago.
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And the Russian or Soviet Union infiltration into the United States,
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you know, all spheres, politics, religion, business, education. It was
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very well documented. And I think they taught their jihadist brethren,
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I suppose. these tactics, and now we're seeing it. And
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they're inside the United States, and they're attempting to win
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hearts and minds. And I would say that they're being
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met with some success here, actually. And you can point
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to the DSA, for example, or Mondami in New York
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as an example of their success. I tell you, it's
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going to be really interesting. This is going to be
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a big fight. And if, and I pray this does
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not occur, but if they are successful, then there'll be
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a war against the red versus the green. And honestly,
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and I've said this before on the show, Dr. Lieberman,
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but when I look at the American communist who can't
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figure out their gender and what team they're supposed to
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play on when sports, uh, you know, with sports, I
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don't see them winning that war against the jihadists.
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No, I know. Um, I mean, it would be interesting
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to see that fall apart, that alliance fall apart. But
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I think the most more important thing is to not
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have them get power altogether. But I mean, yes, they'll
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be against each other's throats. The more they get powerful,
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the more they're gonna try to crush the other part
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of it, the red or the green.
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Yeah, there's no like I've seen some online chatter about, well,
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they'll divvy America up and, you know, maybe the jihadists
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will have the East Coast and the communists, the West
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Coast or something. That's not going to happen, ladies and gentlemen, if.
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And once again, I'll reiterate, I want to fight this
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with everything that I have. But if that were to occur,
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they would attack each other. And so what we find
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ourselves in, Dr. Lee Merman, is we're in a position
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right now to where we have to strike. We absolutely do. Anybody,
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and I don't care if you're calling yourself a Republican
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or a constitutionalist or a libertarian, anybody who loves the
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principles of freedom and liberty has to understand, has to
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identify the enemy here. and has to do battle against them.
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Oh, absolutely. We are in a really dangerous time. Part
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of the problem also is that a lot of people...
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have like given up the fight. I mean, have given
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up trying to keep America, keep the traditional values of
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America because they feel a part of that was, was COVID,
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you know, the lockdowns kind of took away our mojo. Um,
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of course, 9-11 started taking away our, taking away our mojo.
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It's still having an impact now. And so to get
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people to stand up and fight, there's a harder, uh,
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is a harder job than it used to be. And
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I think it begins with bringing back the flag to classrooms.
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That's one of the things that I'm really strongly, a
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strong believer in. One of the ways that we have
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to fight this takeover, this plan to take over America
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is by bringing back the love of America, the patriotism,
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which has been dying a slow death, a painful death
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You know, the whole idea of Olympians, for example, turning
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their back to the flag or not putting their hand
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over their heart for the national anthem or turning their— I mean,
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all of these things, not just Olympians, even athletes here— Just,
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you know, because that's part of the infiltration of people
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who are anti-America in our schools, that they have gotten,
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even from kindergarten, preschool on up, they have really been...
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you know, besides like the Marxists trying to teach Marxism
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and the terrorists trying to teach terrorism, besides that, they're
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teaching the kids, little kids, to hate America. And they're
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teaching other kinds of stuff too, like becoming trans, which
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is all part of the same thing, breaking down the
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American family by telling kids to become trans, by doing
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all of these things, because the American family used to
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be really strong. And it's hard to have a leader,
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you know, when the family is strong. Hard to have
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their kind of leader when the family is strong. So
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we need to bring back, you know, when I was
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a child, we would start each day in school with
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pledging allegiance to the flag and with singing the, let
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me start that again. When I was a child, we
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had the flag, first of all, in the classroom, every classroom,
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every schoolyard. And my grandfather actually had a flag at
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our summer home in Lake Mayo back in New York. And, um, and,
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and we were, and when I went to camp during
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the summers, we had a flag and there was the
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raising of the flag and all of that. I mean,
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it was, it was a, you know, and the flag was,
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was represented the love of country. And that was just a, uh,
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a common thing. That was a normal thing. And now, um,
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because that's slowly been taken away, um, And because there
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have been specific things taught. I mean, this year, for example,
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the 25th anniversary of 9-11, kids, I saw some of
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the booklets that the schools were giving teachers how to
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teach about 9-11, which was really basically don't teach about 9-11. Um,
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and they, they said to use words like to just
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tell the kids, well, some hijackers took over planes, not
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to mention the word terror, terrorism, terrorist, any of that. Um,
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which is outrageous. You know, it's funny because a little,
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about a week or so before nine 11, um, a,
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a memo was leaked from Canada and, um, uh... to uh...
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to they were they had told the people at the
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canadian broadcasting company to not use the word terrorism to
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don't associate 9-11 with terrorism and you know i did
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some interviews about that and and uh... you know there
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was some talk in america about that that's terrible and
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all that but uh... then it was after that that
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i saw these booklets being given to american schools to
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teachers to tell them the same thing, basically all. Now,
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Canada backed down, actually, in the terms of, you know,
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they did allow them to talk, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,
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to say terrorism, 9-11 was terrorism. So no sooner did
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the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation go back on their memo that
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said you can't mention the word terrorism, 9-11 has nothing
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to do with terrorism, and they did acknowledge it for
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what it was, and no sooner was that happening than
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I saw all these... these memos, basically, these booklets given
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to teachers in America to not mention that 9-11 had
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anything to do with terrorism. I mean, this is really outrageous. And, well,
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in things like that, parents need to speak up. Parents
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need to get on the school boards. Parents who care
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about this country need to— this was in Virginia in particular,
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this particular booklet that I saw, you know, where they
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were warning kids. But it happened in other places, too.
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It even happened in New York City. I was offering
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to speak at some schools in New York City because
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one of my books about terrorism is Lions and Tigers
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and Terrorists, Oh My! How to Protect Your Child in
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a Time of Terror. And it's for grownups like parents
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and teachers. And also the second half is a picture
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book for kids. So I thought, okay, I will volunteer.
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I'm not asking to be paid for this. I will
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volunteer to go into the schools and teach kids about
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terrorism and about 9-11, of course. And there was this cringe.
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It was kind of like a very uncomfortable thing. Well,
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we're not exactly gonna be doing things about 9-11. Excuse me,
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even in New York City? It's really, thank goodness for
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the National Museum of 9-11, which really every school should
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take a field trip to go to it because it's incredible.
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And it teaches about that day.
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I agree with so much of what you're talking about.
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And you're talking about bringing the flag back into the classroom. And,
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you know, the flag is a symbol of America. I
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think we need to go towards teaching civics again. And
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I just want honesty. I want truth. I would love
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a civics course in schools that looked at every single
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political system that's ever been created. The good, the bad,
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the ugly, all of this. And I think if children...
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could be presented that in a very open way where
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discussion was encouraged, that they would quickly realize the beauty
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of America, the beauty of a representative government, and they
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would quickly understand the failures of a theocracy, of communism,
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of socialism, of fascism, all these different isms, right, that
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are out there. I really want to see that return
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back to America because I believe that our kids are
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smart enough to understand why this country is worth defending.
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Yes, I remember. I don't remember whether it was in
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elementary school or junior high school or perhaps both, probably both,
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if not high school. But I remember like in some
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book there being three columns where, you know, communism, socialism
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and democracy or capitalism were. And they showed, you know,
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you learned what each one was all about. I mean, yes,
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if that was, I mean, clearly that's not, I don't know,
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do you remember, there used to be, or maybe there
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still is, these books, these yellow, like cliff notes, but
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they weren't called cliff notes, but it was like that,
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these yellow books that sort of summarized all these things. Anyway,
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I remember, you know, cramming before tests. Not that I
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didn't read the right book that we were supposed to
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read for each class, but cramming for tests and looking
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at these things. And I mean, yeah, I mean, I
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think kids are obviously being given different books and different lessons.
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I mean, I mean, case in point, Dr. Lieberman, you know,
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the difference between democracy and representative government. You know, our
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founding fathers hated democracy and they wrote about it extensively.
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about how we should never become a democratic country. And
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yet all of these talking heads are constantly talking about
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our democracy, our democracy. And it's a trigger point for me.
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I know I'm a libertarian conservative. I shouldn't have trigger words,
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but I get really angry when people start talking about
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our democracy because I understand that that democracy is is
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short term that they always end up in total and
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utter chaos. And that's what they want. That's why design
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so that they can usher in communism or socialism.
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Good point. Um, yes. You know, while, while they're learning about, um,
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communism and socialism and capitalism, they should also be learning
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about the constitution, you know, and American history, true American history. Um, Yes,
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this is, you know, I mean, President Trump is doing
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an amazing job, but it's going to take more than,
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I mean, first of all, all the good things that
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he's doing, there are all these judges who are trying
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to stop him in his tracks, whatever it is, you know, getting,
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making people who are illegal leave, all kinds, you know,
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the things that he promised to do. There are, unfortunately,
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these Obama-appointed judges who, and courts and DAs and all that,
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Who are trying to stop these things at every turn. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, definitely the the judicial system has been weaponized.
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I mean, I would argue most of the federal government
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has been completely weaponized against we the people. You bring
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up Donald Trump, and just in all honesty and fairness,
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and my audience knows this about me, not the biggest fan,
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but I'm not a fan of really any politician. But
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you talked about something before we ever started the show,
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and I've got to hit upon this because this is
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so interesting to me. You have some rather– I mean,
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if you're a left-wing person, you might view it as
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an extreme view of on TDS. I think the audience
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is going to love this. Please tell us what you're
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doing with this.
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I have been working for almost a year on putting
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together a diagnostic classification, a description in the way that
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the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual does it, you know, which
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is a the Bible of the American Psychiatric Association. It
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has all the different diagnoses and the classification, like what
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symptoms you have to have to be diagnosed with each
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of the different things from schizophrenia to everyday anxiety to
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personality disorders, all kinds of things. And so I have
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been working on putting something together in that format so
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that I, which I'm planning to do this, well, let
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me think. in this format so that when I present
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it to the American Psychiatric Association, who is incredibly woke
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by now, but still, you got to try, when I
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present it to them, to ask them to include it
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in the DSM, either to add it to the, we're
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on the DSM-5 right now, so either to add it
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to the DSM-5 in the online version or to put
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it in DSM-6. But I want them to include this diagnosis,
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Trump derangement syndrome, to include this diagnosis in the DSM
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so that. First of all, the DSM, it's not just
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for psychiatrists. It really is for all mental health professionals
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to be able to talk to each other about certain diagnoses,
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to know what we each mean by that. And also
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for insurance companies, they look at the different numbers, each diagnosis,
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and there are all these different numbers. So when you
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send in a bill for insurance, they decide how much
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they're going to pay or how many sessions you can have.
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I mean, I I have stopped dealing with insurance a
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long time ago. But anyhow, so it's for different reasons.
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And primarily, the point is to bring help to people
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with Trump derangement syndrome because people are ruining their lives
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and the lives of the people around them. Their marriages
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have broken up over TDS. Job situations have fallen apart
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because of TDS. All kinds of friendships have fallen apart
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because of TDS. I mean, it is really sad what's
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been happening in this country. you would think that if
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you were, if you love somebody, if you love your spouse,
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that just because they have a different political belief, that
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would not make you divorce them, you know? If you
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just don't talk about politics. I mean, I've had one
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of my best friends, this started with his first term,
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that she has alienated herself from me. And then, of course,
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you know, now with his second term, we got to
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be sort of reconnected when Biden was president. And now again,
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she sort of is, I don't hear from her. Um,
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and she actually, and she brought it up with the
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last time I was talking to her, uh, which is
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a while ago now, she said something, are you still,
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do you still like Trump? Yeah. Um, there, she knew
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that I had gone to the inauguration. That would really
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be it. But, um, but anyhow, so, so, um, what
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it is, is a sort of a quasi-psychotic opinion or
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feeling or attitude towards Trump that does not relate to
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anything logical, his logical, his policies or anything like that.
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It is about the man.
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And let me pause you right there, Dr. Lieberman. I apologize.
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We had a hard break. We got to hit this.
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You're going to come back. We're going to finish this conversation.
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It's fascinating. TDS as a certified psychiatric issue. I can
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Carol Lieberman. And we're talking about TDS, TDS as an
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official psychiatric diagnosis. Uh, that would mean that people could, could, uh,
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get treatment for it. But I do have a question, uh, Dr. Lieberman, um,
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when you, when you're looking at like a psychotic, you,
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you said a quasi psychotic, uh, is what TDS would
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be diagnosed as. Um, When you're looking at this, and
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I'm a little bit familiar with psychosis. I used to
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be an EMT and I used to care for people
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that were having breaks. You know, sometimes with psychosis, like
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sometimes they fixate on things. And in this case, they'd
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be fixating on Donald Trump. And I ran into a
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lot of these people that would fixate on religion. And
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some of them thought they were Jesus Christ. And some
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of them thought Jesus Christ was the devil and was
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trying to kill them. So if TDS was actually an
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official diagnosis of Would it be that there would be
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for people that view Orange Man bad, Donald Trump's responsible
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for everything? But could there also be another side of
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this where people view Donald Trump as their savior?
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Well, not in this particular diagnosis because Trump derangement syndrome.
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But can it go both ways? That's an interesting point, actually.
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Yes, you could be so deranged. that you think that
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he's the savior. I haven't quite met people like that.
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But certainly, I mean, certainly there are, I mean, I
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shouldn't say that. There are people who you could kind of,
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they could go into it in the other way. I
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guess I've been more concerned with the ones who are
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deranged in the sense of hating him and trying to
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thwart him at every turn. But yes, that's a very
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good point. I will consider that.
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All right. Look at that. We're figuring things out on
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the show. I love it.
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No, I have created three different categories of Trump derangement syndrome. Mild, moderate,
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and severe. And what's interesting is that, you know, I've
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been working on this, as I said, for almost a year.
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And what's interesting is that some people have changed categories.
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They have moved up like Jimmy Kimmel. I originally had
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him in the mild category, but he has moved up
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at least to the moderate. And who else? I think
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the view I originally had in mild, people are just
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getting more and more deranged basically is what's happening. And
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So they're not all psychotic. I said quasi-psychotic. So the
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mild people, people in the mild category, are not psychotic.
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But the mild category are the people who throw shoes
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at the television set when Trump is on, for example.
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Or who can't help screaming out when they hear YMCA.
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Take that off! Or they do some kind of... make
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some kind of a big statement. Then the severe, that,
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of course, includes people, well, people like uh, Trump's niece,
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Mary Trump, you know, who wrote books about the family
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and how bad Trump is and all that kind of stuff.
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I mean, you know, she hasn't done anything violent. Some
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of the people have done in severe have done something violent, but, um,
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but it's just that, you know, a family member kind of, uh,
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going out against you the way she did is kind
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of severe. Um, there are the people of course, who
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made the attempts at assassination. Um, there is, um, You know,
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there are some actors who have, who only, Robert De Niro,
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for example, you know, he was at a luncheon that
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was made to honor a particular writer. And he was
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the guest speaker. And he, you know, generally at those
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kinds of things, you're supposed to talk about the writer
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and why they're so great and what they did and
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all that kind of stuff. and why you like them.
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And he didn't say anything about the writer. He just
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talked about how bad, orange man bad, you know, how
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horrible Trump is. And my friend, and I do have
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a friend who doesn't, isn't a Trump supporter, but who
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is still my friend. And he was there at this
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luncheon And even though he is not a Trump supporter,
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he couldn't listen to Robert. He had to leave the room.
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It was that bad. So, I mean, there are people who,
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and so the idea is, you know, some people say,
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so how are you going to treat people with Trump
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derangement syndrome? You know, they're not going to go to
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a psychiatrist to hear about why they should like Trump. Well,
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my therapy isn't that, like isn't to convince anybody how
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great he is. It's to look at what is wrong
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with you that you hate him? So like, for example, men,
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men who hate Trump, um, are typically men who are
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dissatisfied with themselves, who are insecure, who compare themselves to Trump,
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you know, who was really well-educated, made a lot of money,
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has a beautiful wife, has a beautiful family, you know, and,
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of course, has got to be president twice, not in
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adjacent terms. So they look at they compare themselves to
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him and they're jealous. You know, they're envious. They think
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that they they have to put him down in order
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to not feel bad about themselves or to try not to.
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So there's that. And then the women, women who don't
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like Trump are typically college educated white women. And these
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are women. These were the original pussy hats. And and
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they obviously have problems with men. And don't have good
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relationships with men. And so then they look at Trump
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and he would be, you know, he would be a
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person that they, if they were in a relationship with him,
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which of course they would never be, that they would
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anticipate that he would be like a bad partner or something.
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Which of course isn't really true in terms of Melania, but,
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or his other wife, wives. So, So it really has
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more to do with them than about Trump. And so
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the therapy would be directed towards them. Now, also, if
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they do have psychotic symptoms, medication would be useful for that.
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Or if they're just super depressed, antidepressants, whatever associated symptoms
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they have could be treated, I mean, with the therapy primarily,
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but also if they need medication, then also with medication.
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Do you mind if I play a little devil's advocate here?
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Sure.
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Okay. So some people might hear this and might have
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deep concerns. They're looking at this and they're saying, we're
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allowing now the government to come in and just because
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I don't maybe like somebody that I could get diagnosed
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with something and be forced into treatment or be put
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on a list or, you know, I mean, there's certainly
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been cases of individuals who have been diagnosed with with
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a psychiatric issue, they get their firearms taken away from them.
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There might be some concern here about the power that
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that might give the government.
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Okay, but first of all, the American Psychiatric Association isn't
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the government. It's just psychiatrists who it's like, and you
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don't have to be a member of the American Psychiatric Association.
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It's totally voluntary. I used to be very involved. When
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I was a psychiatric resident at NYU Bellevue, I was
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gung-ho APA, and I even started the first residence group,
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like APA residence group in New York. And I was
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also on the National Committee, the National Public Affairs Committee.
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I was just all in. And then I started getting
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a little disenchanted with them when, for example, at the
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American Psychiatric Association meetings, there's an annual convention. So some
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of the people were doing speeches about their research on medication.
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And it turned out that they were supported by the
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company that made this medication. So I started getting a
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little disenchanted. a little less enchanted with them. And I'm
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not a member, I haven't been a member for a
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lot of years. I was even on the DSM, the
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committee for one of the earlier DSMs. I was on
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the committee that looked at schizoaffective schizophrenia because I had
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written a paper a journal for a journal that was
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in a journal about schizoaffective schizophrenia about whether it belongs
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as a separate entity or under schizophrenia or under bipolar
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disorder so so that's how I got on that committee
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so I know kind of how the how it works
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but now about a year ago when I started working
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on this TDS diagnosis for the American psychiatric well I
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to present to the American Psychiatric Association, I looked at
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their website, which I hadn't looked at in a long time.
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And I must say that they have become, as I
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suspected from different articles and so on that I've read,
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you know, with all the trans stuff going, they published
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a book, actually. They have a publishing arm. published a
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book about becoming trans they supported it You know, so
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a number of things have happened since I was a
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resident that have made me sort of, you know, turn away.
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But it isn't a governmental thing. In fact, they argue
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with the government. There were things— for example, now they're arguing
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with Kennedy's, RFK Jr. 's ideas about medication and all that.
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So they don't—it's not a governmental thing.
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I kind of misspoke there, and I apologize for that.
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I definitely understand that they're not part of the government.
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My point was more of the government will use these
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diagnoses to then strip away individuals' liberties.
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Sure, that is a potential problem. But the way I
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wrote it up, though— Trump derangement syndrome is sort of
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the most egregious. There was an idea of doing Obama
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derangement syndrome and Bush derangement syndrome, but it never went anywhere.
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It never got far. People weren't really afflicted with it
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as much as they are TDS. But I did say
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in the— in the description, that this could be used
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beyond Trump. You know, this could be used if there's
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ever a phenomenon of another president that so many people
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are so... you know, are quasi psychotically against. And again,
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it's not because of his policies. I mean, they might like,
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if you ask someone with TDS, what don't you like
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about his policy, name a policy that you don't like,
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what has he done so far that you don't like?
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They can't, you know, well, he's just a horrible man
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and he, you know, he's a racist and he's a
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Nazi and he's, you know, all these things that they hear,
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which aren't really true.
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Yeah, I would definitely agree. And I've seen so many
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videos of that asking somebody that, you know, Orange Man
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Bad Syndrome or whatever you want to call it.
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00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:34.119
Yeah.
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Well, he's just a horrible person. And well, what policies? And,
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you know, for somebody more libertarian like myself. I can
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point to specific things that I don't agree with Donald
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Trump on. But then again, I wouldn't get treated for TDS.
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So it's a fascinating idea, I got to admit. And
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I think, honestly, like this is going to start some
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deep conversations, people on both sides of the aisles with
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some very extreme thoughts about this. You know, with, you know,
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and I agree with your assessment of the American Psychiatric Association.
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Very left wing. They've been infiltrated. They're pushing, you know, transgenderism,
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which prior to prior to just honestly, a few decades
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ago would have gotten you as diagnosed as having a
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mental health issue. If you wanted to cut off body parts,
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you would probably be brought into a facility and treated.
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So I don't see them approving this. But I got
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to tell you, you're going to make some headlines. You
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are definitely going to be talked about.
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Well, I'm going to be going to Washington, D.C. Also,
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I have a website that is, I can't give it
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out yet, but I have a website I've been constructing
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or someone on my behalf has been constructing it. I'm
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a technophobe. A website for people to go to, to
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first of all, read the proposal. And second of all,
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to take the test to see whether you fit under
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my health moderate or severe or nothing.
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I got to take this test. I got to tell you.
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It's it's once again, it's a fascinating idea. Just a
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great conversation to have. We're kind of running out of time,
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but I want to make sure to plug your website
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because I want people to check out your work. I
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want I want people to buy your your book for
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their children, Lions and Tigers and Terrorist. So my you
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00:43:19.610 --> 00:43:23.570
can find this at terrorist therapist dot com. Chris has
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got it up on the screen for us. But Dr. Lieberman,
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00:43:26.110 --> 00:43:27.449
tell us a little bit about the website.
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00:43:29.739 --> 00:43:33.190
Yes, I, I'm very, I, I started this website quite
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a while ago and, um, you know, with some of
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my first, uh, it's probably about almost 10 years old,
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but I keep adding to it. Particularly, I keep adding
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the videos that I have been making for the anniversaries of, uh,
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9-11 and, um, of 10-7. And you can see the,
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the videos on the website. And, um, And I also
689
00:43:56.429 --> 00:43:59.889
have lots of other information. I also put my podcast.
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I do the Terrorist Therapist Show. I host that. And
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that's on the website. And it's also on, of course,
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wherever you... That's me at the UN. Not at the UN. Well,
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it was at a benefit dinner for the National Museum
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that was just released, 9-11. And there are different articles from...
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There's an article from an Israeli paper. There's Um, you know,
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what's interesting is that if you look at the, at
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the original video, um, and there's the England, you know,
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when I wrote a book, as I mentioned for, for
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the first anniversary of their nine 11, seven, seven, um, and, um, and, uh,
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you know, there's some interviews and there's a lot. So, so,
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so the, the podcast is on there each time I
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do another podcast, um, current edition, I put it on
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there and put the other ones in the podcast menu bar.
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So anyhow, so I keep adding to it, and I
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don't think it's going to be over anytime soon because,
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as I said, we're in more danger now than we
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were before 9-11.
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Absolutely, yeah. No, I would agree. This world has become
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a very dangerous place, and fortune favors the prepared.
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Dr.
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Lieberman, it has been absolutely a pleasure having you on
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the show. I so appreciate the ability to have conversations.
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And even though I'm libertarian, more on the Republican side,
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we have fun. We're cordial to each other. These are
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the conversations that need to happen, honestly, across all the
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political spectrums in America. We need to be able to
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have conversations and enjoy each other's company. So I so
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appreciate you once again joining us on the show. I
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appreciate all your work. I'm going to go ahead and
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close this out. If you hold on one more minute
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post-production to say our goodbyes, I'd appreciate it. But again,
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thank you so much for joining us on the show.
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It was really my pleasure. I really enjoyed speaking with you.
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Excellent. Thank you so much. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
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there you go. What a fascinating idea. TDS as a
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this is a great conversation to be had. Write us
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