Making Masturbate Sound Poetic with Jamie Fine

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Ready?
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I've never been more wedding in my life.
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Okay, I I mean I love that.
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So we are here with the amazingly talented and super fine Jamie Fine.
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Whoa.
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Have you been insured like that before?
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Not quite like that, and I'm obsessed with you.
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Okay, there we go.
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There we go.
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We're starting off on a good note.
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How are you?
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I am a solid, I'm a solid depends on the day.
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Okay, okay.
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I understand.
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I'm great today.
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Today I'm great.
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Okay.
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You know how I also just recently read that you also have ADHD.
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Oh my god.
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So like we're gonna bond over this because like this is literally my day.
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Like I have to decide every day.
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I'm like, am I taking my meds or not?
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Based on so I started, I don't know what it is for you, but I went to the doctor and was like, give me something now and it vibe ants.
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And then I started it and it made me feel not great.
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Me too.
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Hey, interesting.
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Do you have mood swings?
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Was that the people?
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Yes.
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It was that, it was, I just felt very low.
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And for me, my creativity felt stifled.
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So I was like, I don't want to do this.
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Like I can't do this.
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And so admittedly, I have not started another medication.
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I started like meditating and like really trying now.
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It sounds like the better way to do it.
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I don't know if it is better.
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Like things are going on in our brains, dude, you know?
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It definitely matters.
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Like, it's it's definitely on the day because there are days like when we record and I'm like so like just there, you know what I mean?
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Like almost zombie-wise, and people are like, maybe don't take your meds on recording day.
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And I'm like, you know what?
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That might be a better idea.
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Uh I am fully medicated today, so if if this could be worse.
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This could be worse.
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And I'm not, so this could be better.
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Well, five minutes didn't work for me either.
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So it's not just it's not a new thing, but thank God.
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Um I want to talk.
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You had a busy summer.
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You toured earlier this year, you dropped an EP, you have more music coming.
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This feels like your year.
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Ish.
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Ish, ish.
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Yes, no, absolutely.
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You know what?
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I I was just talking to uh my band about this, Matt and Darius, who I play with on stage, and we were we were laughing.
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Uh our last show of the summer was Barry.
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And uh we were yeah, good old Barry.
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Uh and uh we were sitting there and I was like, it feels like we've lived 80 years in one.
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Like what and so I we were looking back, and we've done so many firsts that we've been waiting for for years, like for like eight years we've been waiting for.
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Um and I think we actually all took the time while we were doing it to celebrate it and to be to be like mayor.
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Yes.
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And that's something I very much struggle with, not only because of my ADHD, but also just how I'm wired.
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I'm always looking for what's next, what's next, what's next.
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And I felt like this year was actually very intentional with like being present.
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Yeah, it was I was very proud of our team and myself candidly.
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Um, so yeah, it was a really big year for me, and there's still so much that's about to happen.
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Yeah, we're literally like just past halfway.
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So, and a lot of those things are work.
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So you're like, you're like the Juno's is a perfect example.
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Like you're there and you're like, you're celebrating that you're at the Juno's, but you're also working.
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Like you're answering questions, you're camera ready, you're throwing fits, which you are also today.
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Okay, always flirting a little bit.
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I don't know if my I'm your type.
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I don't know if you're my type of we can figure it out after.
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We can we can figure it out.
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It's 2026, we can figure out anything.
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Anyone, anyone can do anything at this point.
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It's fine.
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Uh, I mean, yes.
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So you did go through a breakup early this year.
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Um, and you know, you put out an EP, everything, everything led me to you, and now you've got waking up okay.
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So I want to kind of understand for you, is putting out music, is that part of your healing process, or have you sort of already healed and now you've been at a place where you're able to put out music about those things?
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So that's a great question because I I take my healing really seriously.
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Um, I take whether it's work that I have to do, lessons I need to learn, or just healing that I have to do.
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Like really, I I take it really seriously.
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And what I learned is that I don't owe anybody that.
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That is between me and myself, my therapist, and my people.
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Um, and that's how I stay mentally healthy.
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And so as mentally healthy as I can.
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Uh and so uh, no, that was, you know, Waking Up Okay was a song that came from I went to LA and I thought I was gonna write, you know, this really sad album.
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Everyone was like, oh, we're about to get a Jamie Fine breakup album.
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Like, it's gonna be and I went and um I actually brought my boys out with me as well.
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It's the first song that I'm releasing with my band that we wrote all together.
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And Kayla Diamond produced it, and we sat in a circle and we wrote this song, and it was like, oh, I'm okay.
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Right.
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And it was because I had I had done a lot of healing, you know, before that.
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Um and I was very surprised, just like everybody else in the room.
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Like we thought we were bawling around it all week.
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That's great.
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It was great.
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It was great.
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That was part of the journey.
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Okay, awesome.
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I mean, I do want to talk about a lyric, which I'm sure you know.
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Please uh didn't know the peace and quiet would be better to hold me kind of horny.
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So I took my Saturday to masturbate with her on the phone.
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I was like, am I gonna make her read it?
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Am I just gonna read it?
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We could have with.
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You know what?
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Give us a reading.
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It's kinda horny, so I took my Saturday to masturbate with her on the phone.
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I actually love that.
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If you don't slow that down in the edit, I'm gonna be we're gonna, we're gonna play it twice.
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We're gonna pitch it up, we're gonna pitch it up.
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We're gonna do a lot of things with this.
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This is great.
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But let's talk about that because I think before this, masturbate was on my words of like list of words I would never want to hear in a song.
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Uh, but I think you kind of changed that.
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Love that.
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I'm I'm not mad at it.
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I'm not mad at it.
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Is there a word that you're like you can't, if you hear in a song, you're like, I'm done?
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Um there's a couple of words that like just shouldn't be like equilibrium, you know, like they're not nothing risky, because do your thing, say what you want to say.
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Maybe if it's like homophobic or racist, I'm probably not into that.
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But like, uh no, I feel like there's just like words in the English language or any language, probably, but all I can relate to is English, um, that just shouldn't be sung in a stuff, you know.
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I 100% agree with you.
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You know, like the masturbate prior to this was like, you know, the guy taking off the headphones like that meme where he's like, yes, yes, that was it for me.
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Um you know what?
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John Bellion actually is the person who changed that for me.
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So I don't know if you know who John Bellion is.
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Yeah.
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So um he, I forget what song it is, but he said masturbate in it.
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But the way he said it was so I don't want to say tasteful because some the world can be very divided, right?
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Um, some people, it's something that's very taboo they don't want to talk about.
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When I was writing this song and I was with my boys writing it, we were like playing with the lyrics, and I was saying to them, like, the whole point of this song is after a long-term relationship, exploring yourself again and having fun again and doing these things that maybe either you didn't do in the relationship, it wasn't as open in a relationship, whether that's waking up at 3 a.m.
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making chocolate pancakes, which is the last line in the song, um, or masturbating and exploring yourself again and like finding, I think that's such an important part after a breakup, right?
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Because a lot of us lose ourselves in a big way.
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And I know that intimacy is something that some people want to talk about or not.
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I just think, you know, it's funny the people who are like, I it was so beautiful, actually.
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One of the comments was from a mom on Facebook.
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God bless.
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And she was like, Well, I have two uh two uh uh two kids, like three and nine, who are obsessed with you and love you.
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I probably will let them find this on their own, but I'll be banging this.
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And that's like, you know, like that's what a beautiful thing.
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100%.
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No, I I like it.
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So I'm so that's that.
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That's that.
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You know what?
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We it's approved.
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It's approved.
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Approved by me.
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Don't know what merit that.
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No complaints.
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Yes, but we're just gonna go with it.
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Um, so Waking Up Okay is out, it's out Friday, which is tomorrow.
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But how are you are you excited?
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I'm very excited.
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I think it's the first release in a while that um I'm kind of not worried about the noise.
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I'm not worried about numbers, I'm not worried about data.
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Um, it's probably the first song in a while that I feel is like the most well received, which is very ironic given how uh risky it is.
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Um but I think people are excited for this version of me and this version of like my storytelling.
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And I can feel that on the internet, and uh that makes me excited.
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And it's again, this first time I'm just not worried about anything else, the noise around it.
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I just want to put out this song and start this, you know, next chapter of mine.
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Okay, I love it.
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I also saw you started you're starting a newsletter with the release of this, the fine print.
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So I love listen, you know I love puns as as we started this episode, so I I sign up for the newsletter.
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If by the time you see this, the song will be out, so stream the song.
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But sign up for the newsletter.
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It's actually gonna be a fun news newsletter, dude.
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I'm doing like recipes in it.
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I heard you're you know what, Nona told me you're a chef.
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I was a chef.
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I went to culinary school, and and it's such a big part of my career, and I want to like give like my recipe of the month.
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And then we're doing like fun little like quotes of things to remember.
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And then I do like fine finds.
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So like things that like I found if I found a nice wine that day or that that month, I put that in there, a nice restaurant that you should try if you go travel somewhere.
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You know what I mean?
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I think this is so important because I feel like as artists and as like even creatives on the internet or anything like that, the internet wants you to like niche down and to be like one thing, and we forget that people are not one thing.
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And like, even though you're a musician, I'm sure you don't want to be a musician 24-7.
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You want to be a chef, you want to be fine, you know, all of these other things.
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And I think that this is so important.
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So I'm happy.
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I love you.
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Thank you for saying that.
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Oh, like I actually think you're beautiful.
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We did.
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This is beautiful.
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This is great.
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Um, okay, you gave us an EP earlier this year.
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You're working on music.
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Do we have an idea for possibly an album?
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I think we're slightly overdue.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, because you said it.
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Okay, well, okay, that's not the first time you've heard that.
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That's that is not the that's fair.
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You probably heard that already today.
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That's fair.
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Uh listen, I we're not living in an album world.
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That's just the reality.
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Unless you're, you know, an A-lister, B lister, uh, realistically, let's be honest, people are having a hard time consuming albums.
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And that's hard for an artist like me because I'm a project person.
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I want to write a story and I want you to listen to it top to bottom.
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That seldom happens.
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You would write like a killer front to end album.
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Like I know you would give me that whole thing, you know?
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And you would follow along the journey.
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It would be so visual.
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We're just not living in that world right now.
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Or I and and I the accountability piece of that is that I'm not at, I'm not at the level of my career where I think that that would be well received enough for my liking, for the effort that I put into it.
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So that's why we're keeping working and that's why we're developing.
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You I think regardless of that, like you are the type of artist that I love to follow because you don't disappear.
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Like, I think consistently for the past like what eight years, there's like music every like at least a song like a quarter.
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And like that's not data, but like, do you know what I mean?
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Like, there's always something.
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And I love that because especially now, like you clearly know it's so easy to get lost in the streaming world and in this like digital age.
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So, but I think it's also hard from like uh not in consumer side, but like sometimes you invest so much in an artist and then they disappear for so long, and you're just like, I want something.
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So I feel like you have still given people that.
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I feel like this is probably the greatest interview I've ever done because I needed to hear that.
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On camera.
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That is on camera.
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Um, I feel like I really needed to hear that today.
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So thank you for saying that because it is hard to stay consistent, it is hard to keep going, especially if like a song flops.
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Like you're like, oh, well, I don't know if I want to release another one.
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100%.
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And for me, I keep trying to one, two, three, jump those things because although it's my job and I need it to be my job, writing music is who I am.
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It's how I communicate the best, it's how I feel the best.
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And I never want to lose that.
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And I think that there's this hill that a lot of artists die on, and I refuse to die on the hill.
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Like I will do whatever I need to do, as corny as that may sound.
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No, that's um you gotta thank you for saying that.
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You gotta protect your peace.
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I think that's like at the end of the day, right?
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Like music, it's your job, but at the like, it's so mentally taxing to be able to put all that stuff out there, which is why I asked earlier like, how do you write songs about situations you're currently in?
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Do you have to be healed or is that part of the process?
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Because for some people, like, you know, you're writing about that situation, but now it's gonna open up people asking you about the situation, right?
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Oh, like she's singing about her relationship.
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She must be over it, she must be want to talk about it, and you probably don't.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, it's a little bit of six, it's six one.
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I I think it's a little bit of column A, a lot, a little bit of column B.
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Uh, but you're absolutely right.
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Where where, especially if something's really triggering, a perfect example is when my uncle passed away, I couldn't write about it for two years.
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I just could, and I knew I wanted to write a song for him, but I just couldn't do it.
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And then I was in the right room with the right people that could support me in the right way, and I wrote this song, Made It to the Moon.
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And that, and we put it out two and a half years after his death, right?
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So um, everything is on whatever time I listened to my timeline, my body's timeline.
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Um, this is a uh a little bit of a strange one because although I can sit here and tell you, you know, I've healed from that relationship and I'm ready.
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I also, it's music that I had written, you know, we seldom write a song and then put it out the next month, right?
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Usually there's a handful of months in between.
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So this one's a little bit strange, but it's a good way of putting it the way you did.
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Uh, that it's like, oh, I don't know if I want to talk about this like over and over and over and over and over again.
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Well, I'm glad you're able to put it out.
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And I know obviously timelines and all that stuff, and people are on their own journeys, but I like everything that you're working on.
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So I love you so dearly.
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It's ridiculous.
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I love you.
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Um, I've loved you for a while, actually.
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So I kind of want to talk about that because I don't know if people know your full history, which it's it's it's very interesting.
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So let's just go back to the beginning, the launch.
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I funny enough, actually, one of the bands that was up for the song that you were doing, I was like test managing.
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You know, when you like start to work with people in late years, I think they also picked too?
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Okay, crazy.
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They were also on the episode, which was so crazy, which is when I found out about you because I was like I was like, this bitch took the song.
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That has changed now.
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That has changed now.
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But I do want to talk about this experience just because I feel like it this show is so unique, and I think that's what really caught me.
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Where like they were trying to take artists and use sort of like piggyback off larger artists writing these songs, right?
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And then have you sort of emulate it, take it, and all that stuff.
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And I know the experience for artists was so different than what people saw, but how was what are your thoughts on just that idea and like also having like major, these major large artists write your debut single, right?
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Which is kind of a cool experience in the grand scheme of things because not a lot of people get that opportunity, but it also does take away who you are as an artist.
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I think it can stifle a creativity, right?
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Uh, especially when you have these big, you know, intimidating people who have been in the industry forever, who a lot of us looked up to.
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Right.
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Um, I think there was this sentiment of like, oh, so sorry, can I be creative or not?
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Like, are you telling me what to do, or do I get to also contribute?
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Which is why Elijah and I both we went back to the hotel that night and we wrote ain't like I wrote ain't I wrote the the majority of the lyrics saying easy, um, uh, but for the chorus.
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But I changed the verse, I changed the pre-chorus because I wanted it to be me.
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And you saw in the episode where Ryan was like, you can't really do that.
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And I was like, you actually can.
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That's exactly what you need to do.
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That's actually how writing sessions work.
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Literally.
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And like, sorry, Ryan, I love you so much and you're perfect and you're amazing, and it's television, but right, but that's exactly how creativity works.
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Where um I would never, I would never walk into a room and say, hey, so I'm gonna give you a song and you can't make any changes.
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100%.
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What an icky thing.
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So with the launch, uh, I think, you know, it was such a great opportunity, and it was a really tough opportunity that was hard to come away from.
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However, we did really push, as people saw, that was very real in the episode, us pushing really hard to make it our own because we weren't gonna release a song that didn't feel like us.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I mean, you killed that.
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It's a great song, and you've been writing an amazing song since, so we're here.
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Um, I also do just want to talk about 8 Garden Gate.
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Because I think that was the next big step.
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And I I love that EP so much.
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It's one of my favorite projects I've ever played.
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Okay, I just love the synths and that whole sound, and I just like never wanted this on my own.
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I just are so underrated, and so we're in love.
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Did you know?
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I broke your mic because I'm so passionate about it.
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I'm okay with that.
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I that mic, it's lived its life.
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I mean, look at it.
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Like, come on.
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I'm the last guest to use this mic.
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Yeah, I have two other interviews today, but we'll figure it out.
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Okay, okay, we're good.
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Um yeah, it's one of my favorite projects.
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That that was an important one.
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That was, I talked about it a little bit at the time, but Eight Garden Gate is the address of my my childhood home.
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And uh when my parents sold that house, I was devastated.
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Like I I wanted to buy it so bad.
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And I was like, give me a few years, like don't sell it yet.
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Um, and I I loved it.
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It was so important to me.
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And I went through so many things in that house.
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And so when I was writing this EP, I felt like, and this was years after they sold it, I felt like I was letting go of that house just as much as I was finally letting go of all these things I had held on to a lot of my life.
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Right.
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Well, do you find that that I'm guessing you didn't buy the house?
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I didn't buy the freaking house.
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Do you think that that has been helpful though?
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Like, do you think you would-find the house?
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Yeah, yeah, I would have felt trapped.
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I would have felt it would have been horrible.
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Yeah.
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Letting things go is amazing.
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And uh like I've learned that lesson enough in my life, which I'm sure, you know, a lot of us in the room can relate to.
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But uh letting go, like the other side of letting go of something is like the most beautiful feeling in the world.
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The work that it takes to do that is also some of the most brutal work in the world.
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And it's worth it, it's proven worth it every single time.
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But still starting to climb that hill every time is like so daunting, right?
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I have to be like a cold turkey kind of person.
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I have to just like do the jet.
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Like I have to cut everything, or else I will like if there's a little thread, I will hang on.
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Like I'm it's not, it is not the best.
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No, but you know that.
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So you so you do the healthiest thing, and I'm like that to you.
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When I walk away from somebody, they're muted on social media.
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Like they're like, I don't need to look.
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There's nothing.
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Ignorance is bliss.
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Like, even like I delete numbers, I full on like I don't need it because there's gonna be a day where I'm gonna be like, I should just text them.
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But for you.
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Slightly a little bit like like part of me is like I feel like having to do that means I'm not mature enough.
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Do you know what I mean?
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But I'm mature enough that I know I have to do that.
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I think your brain works that way, and you have ADHD, you said.
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So you hyperfixate on things.
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Every single, every single thing.
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I think of the outcome of every single thing.
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So but we also recognize patterns, right?
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And so all these like it's a superpower we have, and you're right.
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So I don't think it's a mature, I don't think I don't think it's a a maturity thing.
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I think it's actually that you are more cognizant to more things, and so you know how to we are in a therapy session.
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We are in a therapy session, we're gonna rename this episode therapy with Jamie Fine.
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Um Well, I like that we're having a therapy session.
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Um, but I want to talk about you going on tour later this year.
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Please.
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Because you're gonna be back here.
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You're you're touring a lot of spots, but um what are people, what can people expect?
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What are you we are working on a new set right now, which we're really excited about.
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Um uh I think it's uh everything we've learned in eight years.
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There's not a lot of bands that can say they've played together for eight years, right?
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I've I've I've been with them almost nine years.
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We know each other so well on stage, and um we've taken we're taking everything that we've learned, everything we've experienced, the good, the bad, the ugly, and we're putting it into this new set.
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Uh so it's it's never gonna feel like more us than it is right now.
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Um and it's coming at the perfect time because we're, you know, we are going uh to the US, we're going overseas to Europe and the UK, and then we're doing this homecoming in my two biggest markets, Toronto and Ottawa, right?
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Ottawa's where I'm from, and Toronto's my second home.
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I spent half my year here.
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So to end and do this like homecoming there, it's gonna be beautiful.
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It's gonna be great.
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I like you also have a lot of new music to put on the set list.
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So I'm excited.
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Um, we're gonna come to my favorite part of this.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Uh so we do this thing called hot take or flop take.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and basically, you give your hot take.
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I can give you one of mine.
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Okay.
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Just just a little icebreaker.
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Okay.
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And we just chat about if uh it's a hot take or a flop take.
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Okay.
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Um, so what do I want to do?
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Okay.
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Condo security shouldn't be allowed to ask for ID or make you sign in.
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Period.
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I think that like I know people are saying it's a security thing.
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If I'm going to someone's house, they don't need to know why I'm there.
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They don't need to take my ID.
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Wow.
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Uh 100%.
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Businesses, business is fine, hospital is fine, security doesn't need to know all that.
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Okay, you know what's funny is the only reason I agree with that being a hot take is because I don't know how like qualified a lot of the security that's being hired at these buildings are for like even helping anyway.
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Right.
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Like it's so easy to lie to them anyway.
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100% at the end of the day, maybe you're just wasting our time.
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I agree with that.
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But also, in some of the bougier buildings, I feel like people are just walking in trying to like chill in freaking unit 610, and they don't even know what it is.
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I could see that.
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I think maybe you and I have very different experiences with this as well.
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But I just I have trauma from okay, I went to I went to a building, I think it was after midnight, so we can probably guess why I'm going to a building.
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Say with your chest.
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Anyways, um, so I get there and security uh asks me to sign in and it's a QR code, so I have to like scan something, right?
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And so I fill out this form.
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It's like, who are you here to see?
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Like, uh what is your relationship with this person?
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Like all of this.
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I'll just a number.
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Basically, at this point, it's literally like 15 15 questions.
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Like, when are you planning on leaving?
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Like all of this stuff, right?
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And then so I start start lying about everything.
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I start I put it like a fake name, I have everything, because I'm like, they don't need to know what I'm doing.
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Like Security knows.
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Anyways, I get to the end and it's like to confirm your information, please hand the ID to security to con to verify this.
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And I am like sh I'm just there like frozen, like the my face.
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And the luckily there's a back button.
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And so I'm sure you saw me just hit back and delete.
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You were like no.
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Yeah.
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But so you left?
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Oh no, I just put in the right information.
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Oh, because you ever like nothing.
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Nothing was correct.
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Because I just did it.
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I didn't need that.
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And that's yeah.
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So my hot take.
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You know what?
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That's trauma.
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That's is that not valid security?
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Like, buildings don't need that anymore.
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I don't think that's a flop take.
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I think then I think that's a hot take.
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Right.
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But then someone's gonna be like, but then one time on the other side of things, um I met someone.
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I met them once.
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Two days later, this person showed up at my house at three in the morning, and they wanted to know I didn't get back to their text.
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No.
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No.
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And I was like, what the fuck is my security doing?
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Exactly.
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So wait.
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I know I my sweet angel.
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I know.
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I can't have both.
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I can't have both.
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You can't have both.
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You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I can't.
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Security or no security.
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Okay, but 3 a.m.
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is.
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Would you rather go through the okay?
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Let's see.
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They could have called me.
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Would you rather have gone through the first one or the second one again?
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Ooh, definitely the first one.
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Then that was tromp.
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Then flop.
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I met this person one time.
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Okay, then flop take.
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Yeah.
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You've proven yourself.
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I did.
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Guys, I and this is the worst part is I was the one that just told on myself.
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You literally.
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No.
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It was all you.
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It was literally you.
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No.
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No.
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You caught yourself.
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No one saw that.
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On camera is crazy.
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Yeah.
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Okay, good.
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Good take.
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I would like to see you.
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I'd like to.
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Um, my hot take is uh you don't ever get to question why I'm not responding to you.
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Ever.
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Valid.
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You don't ever get to ever get to question.
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It's either I'm busy and I saw it, right?
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And I forgot to get back.
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In which case, nag me.
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Right.
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You have my I tell everybody this.
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You have my permission to nag me.
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Okay.
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But I tell everybody, call me.
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Don't text me because I get so many texts in a day.
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Don't text me.
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Don't DM me.
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That is the worst place.
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Call me.
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If you need me, call me.
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And then people are like, well, I'm not, I don't like calling.
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Okay, well, grow up.
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Yeah.
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I hot take.
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If you don't like calling, you're not an adult.
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Grow up.
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Grow up.
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Grow up.
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I don't know if COVID did it.
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I don't know if it's just our generation.
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Grow up.
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The amount of times that I'll call someone and like, because I I will, if I need something and I know it's gonna take like 20 text versus 30 second call, I'll call someone.
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Thousands.
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And they'll be like, what do you want?
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And I'm like, hey, just can we chat for a second?
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They're like, just text me.
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I'm doing something.
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I'm like, I actually don't want to text you because my time for texting you is five times.
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Like, I don't And time is money.
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Time is money.
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It's literally that.
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And people are getting too sensitive with like, why don't you text me back?
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Why don't you text me back?
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Time is money.
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Time is money.
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Call me.
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Yeah.
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And like I'm not on my phone.
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Like, if my therapist is like, monitor the time that you spent on your phone.
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Right.
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Call me.
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You're gonna put that money to good use and you're gonna monitor the time you spent on your phone.
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100%.
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So that's my haunted.
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Okay, great.
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I love that.
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Sorry if I piss people off.
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No, that's a very bad thing.
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I am really bad on my phone.
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No.
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But whatever.
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I I completely I can feel that.
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I you have to be out of sight out of mind sometimes and just like actually focus on what you're doing.
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Literally.
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But okay.
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I mean, we went through a lot.
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I love that.
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You're so good.
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You are you're so good.
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You're so good.
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I actually I love the energy that you brought today.
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And I think that that made me very comfortable.
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So I actually want to thank you for that.
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I don't think it was me.
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I mean, I was on both of us.
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It was both of us.
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Incredible energy.
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And your facial is incredible.
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Inquiable.
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I did it myself.
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I did it myself.
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So fun fact, it's my um birthday on Sunday.
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I wish.
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Yeah.
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Um, but I went to, but like, I've been getting so many haircuts because I'm doing so many of these things.
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And I so like I went to a cheaper guy because he was like half the price of my guy.
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And I know, but like my guy's gotten really expensive.
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And it just it wasn't screwed up.
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He didn't screw it up, but it was it was half the price, and it was half the you know half the quality, half the price.
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Oh so I actually I fixed it this morning myself, and I'm I'm quite happy.
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You how no, don't be quite happy.
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You should be thrilled.
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It looks inquiable.
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I've also, I'm gonna be honest, every question you ask, I'm staring at your um tattoo, your sardines tattoo.
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That's my most recent one.
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I'm obsessed with you.
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It's my little Portuguese tattoo.
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That is a very culinary thing to get.
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I love that.
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You're a chat.
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I actually love sardines, so good for you.
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I want to get into can't tin fish, you know on tick.
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This isn't part of the annual.
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Uh the tin fish like TikTok.
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I'm on tin fish TikTok where it's like bougie.
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Just bougie from around the world.
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Okay.
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Where it's like $45 a can of tuna.
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I have seen like the really there's one in the States that's like I've seen the cans and it's like beautiful.
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Do you know what I'm talking about?
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In Maine, I think it's in Maine.
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Okay.
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It's out of Maine, and they're like gorgeous, like R.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Oh, and it like a can comes in a box.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I've seen this.
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Bougie.
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Yeah.
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And I it I want to eat it.
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Okay, I'm gonna get you the bougie sardines.
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I'm never gonna forget that.
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By the way, episode we're gonna do it.
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I'm never gonna forget the division.
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Okay, great.
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If you don't come with it, I'm gonna blame you.
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I'm gonna hyperfixate the sh 100%.
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Okay, great.
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Sardines next episode.
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Uh, in the meantime, you can listen to Jamie Fine's new single.
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You can go and join the mailing list, buy tickets to the tour.
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Anything else I forgot?
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Just love me for me, kiddos.
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Love them for them.
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And don't text me.