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Welcome to Pop Take, your hot take on music, pop culture, and life.
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My name is Michael Mello.
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I'm Hugo Philippe.
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And we have a guest today on today's episode.
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It's our first one of the season.
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It's very exciting.
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They are a pop culture connoisseur.
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They know a lot about vinyls and records.
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They are the biggest Britney fan we know.
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Everyone, welcome, Brett.
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Hi.
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It's so nice to be here.
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Yeah.
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I can't tell you how excited I am to be in a room where I don't have the highest voice.
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Well, you're welcome.
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You're welcome, baby.
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Don't don't tempt me in the editing stuff where you're talking about it.
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Yeah, because I will pitch the fuck out of it.
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Yours is a little raspy today, though.
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Yes, yeah.
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I'm feeling a little under the weather.
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So I think we'll see how much I talk today.
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Actually.
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Yeah.
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That's what I get for pre-planning my punch.
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I mean, we've been talking about this for like almost a year now.
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Yeah.
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And I'm glad that we're able to like get together and talk music.
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I'm so excited to be here because I feel like every time we're alone, either of us together, we get into like these tangents about everything that's been going on.
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And I watch you two as well.
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And so I'm honored to be here.
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I'm very excited.
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I'm also excited because like uh I feel like you get along with him in terms of like music style, but also me.
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And now I feel like I have someone to back me up because like I'll talk about my flops all the time, and you'll be like, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, I feel like you listen, you and I listen to the same music all the time.
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I love a flop.
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I uh yeah, our flop, our girls in the key asylum.
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We we stand, we stand.
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Plus, speaking of the key asylum, we've got a lot of we have to talk about a couple people, such as BB Rexa is doing a visual album.
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We'll talk about her.
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Larry Duff's announcing announced a world tour, which we'll get into.
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And of course, Britney Spears sold her catalog, so we have an expo here to talk about it.
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And it happens to be Valentine's Day weekend, so we're gonna talk about love songs.
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Well, let's get into it.
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Okay, let's just I want to talk about Britney.
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Let's just because this Dan is here.
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Selling her catalog.
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What is that?
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You know, I mean, we know what it means.
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I feel like most people don't know what it means.
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Most people I've discovered have no idea what it means.
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Or I think they also don't know how prevalent it is and how common it is for people to sell the rights to their music.
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Right.
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So even just in the last few years, Katy Perry sold the rights to hers, Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, uh going all the way back to like Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Nicks, basically what it means is that you are giving up any future rights to like streaming revenue, licensing fees, that kind of thing.
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So 200 million, I've been seeing people that's kind of like the assumed figure.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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People think that for Brittany, that seems like a low amount, which I mean I agree, she's priceless.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But the thing is, because she isn't a writer on most of her huge songs, that means her cut of those is a little bit smaller.
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So that doesn't represent the entirety of her catalog, just her share.
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Exactly.
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And so now I think we're gonna start seeing her music pop up in new places, like did you see the McDonald's commercial?
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Yeah, right away.
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Like Sergio was saying, like, that's so Brittany McDonald's, but like a thousand percent.
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Now other teams are making those decisions, so yes, we might see more.
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They even added like the deluxe version of Circuit.
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I saw on Spotify, which I didn't have before.
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They uploaded to this like remix EP of all the different versions of three.
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There's like 19 remixes of three, which classic.
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Oh, that's us today.
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That is us today.
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Okay, anyway.
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I'm still not the singer, so y'all can still do that.
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It's early.
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We didn't do our warm-up now.
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But uh anyway, I think it's great for Britney.
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Uh, you know, a big lump sum.
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She can invest that, she can, you know, do her trips to Mexico, she can live her life.
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It also kind of checks out because we've been getting these like little droplets of her music on streaming for the past like six months, and now it makes sense that like they're putting everything out because now she's selling the catalog and those releases need to be made more available.
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So it uh I'm I mean it might open up more doors.
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Because also not to be that guy, but like if she runs out of that money, she's gonna need other ways to make money, which means we might get more Britney music.
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So I mean, I would love more Britney music.
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I miss her voice so much.
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We're thirsty.
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I'm just curious to know what she sees music sounding like in this the year 2026.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like she's always had such a great ear, she's been ahead of every single trend in like dance music for so long.
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And so I think we are missing her.
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There's a reason that people keep going, she's new Britney, because we are missing her energy 100% so so much in her point of view, right?
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Well, also just like I think she's had her unique point of view that never came out.
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Like, we had like original doll, and then there was another album that she was working on, and like we've had leaks from these things, but like I feel like that's what she would gravitate towards to now, which is kind of nice.
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Yeah, I guess that's true.
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She would do her like what she's wanted to do and hasn't had the chance to do, something a little darker, yeah.
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And we've liked those things, so like I'm kind of here for it.
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Or also I remember the one time she performed like during her Vegas show where she like turned on the mic and was like making a statement, and it was like so raspy and like rock and roll.
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Like, I would like to see a more edgier Britney when she's gonna be.
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Well, it's funny, every time she covers a song, it is like a rock song, yeah.
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It was uh let's give them something to talk about.
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Yeah, yeah.
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She also did like you wanna know on the circus tour.
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Like, she has that like edge and that anger just inside of her.
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So And I feel like when they did Re will rock you, like her and Pink, like Pink speaks so highly of Britney, so that has to say something about her like rock history and like knowledge.
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Oh, and also pink will tell it like it is pink will have no shit.
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So that's why I trust Kelly Clarkson and Britney Spears because Pink fucks with them.
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's T actually.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Do you pass the pink inspection?
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I love that.
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So there is that topic of the next Britney.
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And I feel like there's been a bunch of names that have flown around for like the next Britney.
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If people say Tay McCray, they say Addison Ray, which is on your t-shirt.
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It kind of gave gaga for a second.
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I was looking at I kind of saw a telephone.
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Like, there is a one that is like this.
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Yeah, like the urine blonde hair.
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Yes.
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Oh, I forgot.
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I wasn't talking into this.
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But who do you feel is like the next this generation's Britney if there is one?
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And do you feel like that's fair to put artists and compare them to like you're the next this?
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Because the one thing I want to touch on is I remember when Normani was starting, people kept saying, like, you're the next Beyoncé, and I think that really overwhelmed her because from a fan perspective, I think Normani didn't want to be the next Beyoncé.
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I think she wanted to be the next like Sierra, which is not the level of no disrespect to that.
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I love Sierra.
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But like, you know, like I think she's like, I just want to say you speak of.
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This is the time.
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Anyways, I'm just saying, like, I think it puts a lot of pressure on artists when we compare them to like the biggest, biggest people.
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Oh my god, like who will ever be the next Beyonce?
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No one.
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Right.
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And I don't think anyone will ever be the next Britney.
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It actually makes me think of when Britney debuted, people were saying she's the next Madonna.
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And it's like no one will ever be that.
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Is she influenced by her?
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Absolutely.
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Right.
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And I think now what we're seeing is the next generation of that, where all of these pop girls decided to go into making music because of Britney.
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Yeah.
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It's impossible not to reference her because that's their blueprint to follow, right?
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And I think if I was a pop girl, which in my mind I am, that's who I would follow, right?
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Like, of course I would emulate her or try to whatever.
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But for me, Addison, seeing her in concert, had that effortless, like cool energy.
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Right.
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She was just like being herself in a way that I think a lot of people try to put something on.
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Right.
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And she just seems so effortless, maybe a little too effortless for some.
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But for me, she just had that charisma and that stage presence, and that like she was giving you 90 and letting you give the other 10.
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Do you know what I mean?
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She wanted you to like meet her there.
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Right, right.
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And for me, that was like seeing Britney live again.
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I'm very sad I didn't go to that.
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My my appendix burst, so I had a reasonable excuse to not go.
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Um I I thought about it.
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I was like, I could get wheeled in in a wheelchair, get front row.
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I remember making oh like that sucks, but like I'm still gonna go.
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I I wanted you to go.
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I wouldn't I wouldn't have missed it either, but this is your problem.
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This is your problem.
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I'm glad you're alive.
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Like, uh you weren't the one taking the appendix out.
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I was like, I'm not a doctor.
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He's like, it has already burst.
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Yeah, I was like, mine's gone already.
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You might be.
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Everyone on this couch, watch out.
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It's okay.
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I could stand to lose a pound or something.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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I actually said that.
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You lose nothing.
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I literally said, oh my god, at least I'm gonna lose weight.
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And he was like, No, it's actually only like 0.3 grams.
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And I was like, Are you fucking kidding me?
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All this time.
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And then after surgery, you actually blow it so you feel heavier.
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Anyways, back to pop music, not our inside.
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Appendix is popping, yeah.
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But I actually there's also another thing with the whole Brittany world that I think I see in multiple generations of music where it's sometimes we see two artists that are always pinned against each other, one that's clearly a vocalist, but one that the public tends to enjoy their music more.
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And we've seen it with like Brittany Christina, Selena Demi, and like it's it's kind of just like this revolving door of like one might be the powerhouse vocalist, but the public seems to enjoy the other one, whether it be for personality or their songs are just like more relatable or whatever that is.
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And I I'm curious if you think a powerhouse vocalist sometimes is less appealing to the general public.
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Always, yeah, yeah.
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I think so.
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Why is that?
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Well, a general public like people hate to see women win, so there's that.
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So whenever we have a big, strong leading lady, like I think the public is shit.
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I mean, look at Zara Larson.
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Like, Zara Larson's a perfect example, like she is an amazing vocalist, and she's just now getting her flowers.
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Like, I just think people like that like little uh relatability, you know what I mean?
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And I think when someone is like too no, I don't want to say too perfect, but like, do you know what I mean?
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Like it's just like people aren't relating to that.
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Madison Beer, I think, is the same way.
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I think Madison Beer is a great vocalist.
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Madison Beer is like so beautiful that I think is like a detriment to her.
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Do you know what I mean?
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It's like that Megan Fox thing.
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It's like that's the first thing people see, yes, and they just like put them into that uh lane, and then the the public just.
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She's so talented.
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That's why you let the gays stand you, and then that's it.
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Okay, I think I have a thought.
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Okay.
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So with Brittany and Christina, I think Christina had an amazing voice, but didn't necessarily have like the control or the taste level.
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Like she didn't necessarily know what to do with all of that.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Whereas Brittany seems to have a really keen ear of like what style suited her.
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And I think someone like Madison Beer, I mean Powerhouse Vocalist is maybe not the first thing I think of when I think of her, but she does uh sound great on the new album.
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But I think she similarly doesn't quite know where she fits or what her style is.
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I see her kind of trying to emulate other people rather than like forging her own sort of path.
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And so I'm curious to hear what she'll sound like in like another album or two.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I feel like even with her, she's very like situational for me.
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Like I loved um oh my god, life support.
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No, I love life support.
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Like that album is great, but then then one after that, like silence between songs.
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I was like, mmm, I like fuck with like two things on here.
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But the newest one, Locket, I'm like stellar.
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Okay, so I think it's like yeah, I think Lock It is her emails I can't send.
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I think for me it's like I think she's found her penmanship.
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And now I think like her next album will be like her short and sweet, where like she really blows up it just in the sense of like I think she's finding up her her uh like what she wants to say, and she is finding that line of like EDM, but like sad songs and vocals, and like the thing, and then we'll we'll get into another topic that I do appreciate about Madison Beer is that she's credited as a producer on all the songs, right?
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And a lot of the like instrumental stuff is very experimental, so I'm just hoping the next album she like takes what that experimental approach, but also with her vocals.
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That makes sense.
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Yes, completely agree.
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Yeah, totally.
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I think there is something that is clicking, but there's something that's just not just needs to be pushed a little bit further.
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I agree, I do agree.
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Yeah, so we talked about the icon that is Brittany, but I think we should also talk about the icon that is Hilary Duff because she's going on a world tour.
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And one thing, here's what I want to say.
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Hillary Duff, if you see this, this is for you.
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Thank you for actually when you say touring like North America, you're doing multiple Canadian dates.
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And I think that's something we need to talk about more because just doing Toronto, and I live in Toronto, just doing Toronto is not considered North American.
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She's doing like Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, Vancouver.
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I think she's doing Calgary as well.
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Like she's real and Nova Scotia, she's doing crazy.
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Yeah, like that's and like Katie Perry.
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Katie Perry did the same thing where she did like an actual Canadian tour, and I'm like, good, because like Canada is just not Toronto or Vancouver.
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Like, we need to start touring those other places, and I appreciate that Hillary Duff is taking note and making sure her Canadian fans across Canada are represented.
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I mean, I'm from Manitoba, and so people touring to Winnipeg is like very rare now.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like even when I still live there, you know, sometimes you'd have to go to Minneapolis or whatever to go see a show, right?
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But like flying to Toronto every fucking month.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, am I allowed to swear?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But you know what I mean?
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Like flying to Toronto, that's really expensive, right?
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And so most people can't make that happen on a regular basis.
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And if we just have the one date, like it's so impossible to get tickets because everyone's flying in for stuff and everyone's trying to buy tickets to this like one Toronto show.
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So I'm so like even we got that you know TD Coliseum in Hamilton, like I'm so glad because I've already seen it be slightly easier to get some tickets for things.
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Cool.
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Because people are like, oh, I'm gonna do the Hamilton one versus Toronto.
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That's so true.
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I had thought that bad.
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Because like people like Waterloo, like Hamilton, London will do that one, where it's like the GTA will stay to this one, which I think is quite nice.
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Yeah.
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So you saw Hillary when she was here.
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I did see Hillary.
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I so I never got to see Hillary growing up.
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Like my first concert, I think, was when I was like 15, 16.
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Okay.
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So for me it was so nostalgic just because like everything flashed back, and you really it felt like I can only articulate it as kind of like the first time I saw Demi Lovato when I was like more of an adult, or the first time I went to Disneyland as a grown adult, or like you were just transported as a child and got to live something that you really craved.
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And she was great, she was so fun.
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I think she just was like surprised at how much people still loved her, but she really played into nostalgia, and I quite liked a lot of the new songs, and I'm really excited for the album.
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Great.
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I'm I tried not to watch any stories because I had FOMO for not being there.
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Now less because I have so many opportunities to go see her now with the new tour.
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It's interesting she's like splitting it up because she's like in Toronto like this year, I think, yeah, but then in Hamilton next year.
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Is that how a lot of her Canada stuff is is next year.
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Yeah, it's it's there's like a big gap.
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Do we think the production value is going to be more?
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Good question.
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I would I think so because I think with this, the like last time she did history, now she's gonna do RBC amputeater.
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So I think she knows there's like a more higher demand, so there's more like budget and willing to spend.
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I do think it also depends on how this album performs.
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So that will be a lot, but from what I feel from like the record and from what we're seeing on her general social media, it seems like there's a big push to like give this to OG fans and like really do it right.
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Yeah, yeah, because I think I wasn't there, but I based on the clips I saw, it was a little like I don't know, inviting fans on stage to do the with love choreo, like poorly.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I would have liked to just see her have some actual dancers and like do it herself and like and just say nothing.
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I don't know.
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I agree with you, you know what I mean?
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Like I have okay I wasn't there, but I have two notes.
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I have two notes.
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I feel like now there's this like marketing thing where it's like everyone has that one song that they bring people on, and it's rehearsing the choreo for that.
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So like I get it from that point.
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Yeah, I also feel like like the tour that she did right now was more just like intro her coming back to music.
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So I understand that it was more like smaller, less production value, just like it almost felt like I was what called like um small room, big nerves or something.
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Yeah, that's what it's like.
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Like it almost felt like that was like authentic to her.
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Like, I need to do this before doing like stadiums and doing like these big venues.
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So I will give her a pass, but I don't think I would give her a pass for that for this next tour.
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Because I think you're like, This is my world tour.
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Yeah, you now you need to bring world tour energy.
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Yes, it can still be Hillary Duff world tour energy, but you need to still bring that.
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I think even if she had brought fans up to do the choreo with her or for her, and then maybe had her own dancers and then they did it afterwards, like it could have built to that.
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Yeah, but I still I I do feel I can't remember actually, maybe I don't think so.
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So I think she was just her and the band.
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But I will say a couple things.
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Like, one, I agree with Hugo, like we've seen it with Sabrina Carpenter like handcuffing people, like Zara Larson has a lush life girl.
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Like it is like a thing now in shows where there's like a special moment where a fan, Renee Rapp also has it as well, but sometimes it's a famous person.
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Right.
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We had the Sally girl, uh so like it's a thing that we we're seeing in concerts now where someone will and I think I think it makes sense.
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Apple girl.
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Um, I think also with the concert, too, that the and I think with what she's teasing with this album, it's supposed to feel very living room-esque, like living in the your feelings, like it kind of felt like her home in a way.
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So I because there was like a couple songs on a couch, and like it how it plays out, and one song she's talking about her sister, and that they don't talk anymore.
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But I will say, like, I agree.
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I think the next tour, I want to see an elevated budget, I want to see dancers, I want to see pop star Hillary Duff.
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But for someone who hasn't performed in 20 years, I think it makes sense that she did a small venue and just tested out the waters and was like, okay, like I'm back into it.
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Like, let's let's give it a go.
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Okay, that's fair.
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I I buy that for a dollar.
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Yeah.
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Well, you ain't gonna find it for a dollar.
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There's a lot of dollars on there.
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Speak a lot of dollars are also being put into BB Rex's visual albums.
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Let's get into that because BB Rexa is independent, so she is funding her whole dirty blonde era.
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I'm you know what?
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I'm happy.
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I hope she breaks out of the Kia Asylum.
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First of all, is it Kia or Kaya?
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Have we decided?
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I think Kia just rolls off the tongue.
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It does.
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I think it's I think I say Kia because the car, but I know, like people correct, I see people fighting on all the time on the internet about it, so we know it could be.
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Actually, Juan, I see I've heard BB Rexa on the treadmill say Kia Asylum.
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I know, but I just think everyone, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Anyways, I need her to break out of there.
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This album sounds great.
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All the songs sounded great, all the visuals looked amazing.
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I just my one thing is like, has she been planning this?
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Because when she like had her little meltdown like a month ago, it felt like she was like stuck in nowhere.
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And now we're like, she shot these what 13 videos, full albums.
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It's all like ready to go.
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Yeah, it's all like ready to go.
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Like, has this stuff just been sitting in drafts?
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Like, did she just like was holding on?
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I don't know.
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I'm just I'm excited I'm I'm excited.
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She's like, did an interview where she was like, um, well, you you make these songs over three years, and then you're putting like all your eggs in one basket, sometimes for just one single, and I didn't want to do that, which I think is really smart.
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We've also seen it before with independent artists like when Kim Petris was independent and she was doing with clarity like a release a week, which I love because I think we are in a society sometimes where sometimes we'd just listen to an album for a week and then we're like, oh, a new album comes out.
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Yes.
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Whereas if you do the weekly releases, I quite like it, and also we're all busy in life, so it kind of feels I don't love it with TV shows as much because I'm like, because I need it all.
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Like traders right now is driving me insane because I was like, I need an album.
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Oh, they do a cliffhanger like nobody else.
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Oh my god, yeah.
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But I like it with music because I'm like, okay, cool, I can live with this song for a week and then I can hear the next one and properly pinpoint songs to like certain time periods in life.
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So I I hope BB does well.
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Also, my last take on it, I don't think BB is in the Kia asylum.
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Like, she literally had a number one hit song, I'm good, like two summers ago.
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But that wasn't really hers.
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Like, that's the vocal heart because she is so often the featured artist, yeah, and not the lead artist.
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And I think she doesn't necessarily have the name or the face recognition.
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Here's though, like, we watched this with Ray a couple years ago, right?
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I've been a Ray fan since the very beginning.
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I love her, but she was the same thing.
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You know, her label wasn't letting her do what she wanted to do, release anything if she didn't have a big hit.
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And then she was able to spin that narrative to have a really successful era.
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And so maybe BB is kind of thinking, Mickey B B, that was just fun to say.
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Uh maybe she's thinking there's like a similar narrative she can like capitalize off of, right?
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Which I think like can happen.
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Like so many art.
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I mean, like, look at Charlie.
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Like, Charlie didn't go through that same thing of like leaving the label, but like Brat was her being like, fuck it, I'm doing whatever I want to do.
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And like look at what Brat was, right?
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Like before that, she did crash and she tried to do what's the label, you know, what the label wanted, and like that the pop sound and the samples and everything, and no one really cared.
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Oh, I mean, I care, no, like I care.
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The gays cared, you know what I mean.
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You know, like the gays cared.
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I I mean I loved it, but yeah, I also think that era needed to happen in order for Brat to happen.
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Yes, you know what I mean.
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Like it laid the groundwork.
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Um similarly with like Miley's plastic hearts to give her flowers to you guys like and even I don't I know I keep bringing up Sabrina, but like I we also saw with Sabrina Carpenter where where she finally left whatever the Disney label is called Hollywood Records, it was on Universal and like actually got to write her songs that you could really listen to emails I can't send and be like, Oh, this is who you are.
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And so sometimes I feel like for artists to break that, they need the like label to just kind of let them do their own thing.
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Yes.
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And I'm hoping now that BB's independent, like this is what we're gonna get out of her.
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Cool.
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I mean, I loved her last album too.
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Actually.
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She's been solid.
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If you've never heard uh Blue Moon by BB Rexa, it's actually one of my favorite songs of all time.
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Really?
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Oh my god, what a banger.
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Yeah.
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Should we put it on?
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Commercial break.
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Commercial break, yeah.
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So Withering Heights movie and soundtrack are out today.
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Uh who's who's listened?
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Did you listen to it?
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I've heard the album.
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Okay.
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And I love it.
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Okay.
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I love that it's a Charlie album and not like a soundtrack.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I think it's brilliant.
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And you saw the movie.
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I saw the movie, yeah.
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We saw the movie last week.
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Great movie.
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It's literally just like Romeo and Juliet meets Fifty Shades of Grey.
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That's all you need.
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It's like.
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Yeah.
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Really, that's the perfect way to describe what three gates is like, is exactly that.
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But I don't know if I had just been so conditioned with heated rivalry that I was like, eh, yeah.
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Could have been hotter.
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Like maybe because of the straight stuff.
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Yeah.
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And also, like, I guess it's like the ye old days or whatever.
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I was like, it wasn't like the old days.
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But I think there was a little, there was like some like kinky moments that were that were like, like that's crazy.
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No, like literally they did that scene and I was like, a horse uses that.
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That's crazy smell.
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There's like the scene where like the guy puts the like horse harness on her as he's fucking her.
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Yeah.
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But like it just like, I'm like, oh, that's a horse harness.
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Like it's a harness, but I'm like, oh, that's a horse harness in the 18th century.
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Not the bear back I was hoping for.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's some questionable thing.
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Yeah.
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And then also, like, I'm like, well, they were kind of siblings, I guess.
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Well, not siblings siblings.
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I guess he's like her pet or like servant or whatever, but still, I was like, interesting.
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Okay.
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I gotta see this movie.
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I did cry at the end, so it was like a good emotional movie.
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It it makes you horny and cry at the same time.
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Yeah.
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So Withering Heights.
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It's a long list for me.
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Um do you cry easily?
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Time question because I didn't cry.
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I think it was just like how they handled the death, and like it was just like it just was well done.
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Yeah.
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Also, I'm so sorry.
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Well, it's been the book's been out forever.
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It's like saying Darth Vader is like the father.
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Like, come on, yeah.
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I think we had this thing during Wicked too, where like people were saying things and then getting spoiled, and people are like, babe, this is an old musical scene.
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No, yeah, yeah.
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So sorry, but like this book has been out forever.
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Like before any of us were alive.
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Yeah.
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At this point, I don't know what to tell you.
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But maybe we do a spoiler.
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Also he said Romeo and Juliet's meets like 50 shades.
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Like, we know how Romeo and Juliet.
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They're so crossed, yes.
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Yes.
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Uh I mean, I still don't really know what Withering means, so I think you know, any spoiler is a spoiler to me.
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I also didn't know what that means.
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Oh, do you know that?
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No, I do, and it's so fucking stupid.
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I don't even want to tell you why it's called that.
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Do you understand?
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You know what it was, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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It's like, you know, those moments in movie were like, that's the title of the movie.
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He said it.
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Yeah.
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And you're you're just like, oh, like it's that it's at me, it's on me yourself.
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:02.000
Yeah, it's very much that.
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Yeah.
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Um, but otherwise, great, great movie.
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.599
And how does the music play into the movie?
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So the mu okay, so interestingly enough, I wish I had heard the soundtrack before I watched the movie, because I think during the movie, you hear so much of the soundtrack that you're not realizing you're listening to it.
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Like they don't use the vocals a lot.
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Like they there's I think like Chains of Love, um, House is obviously in it, um, and I think maybe like Wall of Sound and a little bit of like the Sky Forever song.
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Cool.
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But generally, you're hearing a lot of the instrumentals, um, or if they drop a score, like maybe they scored it very similarly.
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:45.119
Um, so I wish I had heard it the soundtrack first, but it like fully fits into it.
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:53.200
I think the world is just like so like ethereal and like gloomy, but like also bright at the same time.
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:54.480
Like it's it's very Charlie.
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:56.480
It's very and like this album is very true romance.
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:58.640
So if you like Charlie True Romance, you'll love this.
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.759
Um Did you hear what she said about the Velvet Underground, like why John Cale is on it?
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:12.880
She said there's an old interview with John Cale where he says everything for the Velvet Underground needed to be both elegant and brutal, and she had that kind of on her mood board for the soundtrack.
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:13.519
Interesting.
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:19.359
So she reached out to him and played him some of the music, and then he decided he wanted to be on it as well.
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:20.000
Interesting.
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:21.359
So elegant and brutal.
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:26.160
If you're listening through the Wuthering Heights soundtrack, that's her sort of uh her ground zero for.
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:27.359
I kinda I I hear it.
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:34.640
I mean, I hear it on all the stuff that she did, and the album's great, so and Emerald Fennel always has great, great soundtracks for sure.
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.799
I uh I'm really excited to see the movie.
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.400
I really I love dying for you.
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.079
Like what a banger.
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:40.319
Yes.
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.839
Alters is I think my favorite.
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.559
But also Chains of Love is like a classic Charlie song.
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:44.880
Yes.
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It's very clearly like the single and like the more like pop record of this, but I I love it.
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.720
Like it's you could put it in true romance and like it wouldn't feel out of place.
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:53.839
Oh, it's completely agreeable.
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Insane.
00:26:54.559 --> 00:27:04.960
Do you think I so after watching the moment and her talking about like what's after Bratt, like life after Brat, I think this soundtrack gives her the perfect out.
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:10.079
It's like it's not necessarily her own work or her own muse or her own whatever.
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So it's a complete departure.
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:27.039
Do you think that was like lucky for her or I feel like it's a little bit, I think we're gonna go into this era of Charlie where like we're gonna get so much music, but I think it's going to be a bit um like specifically related to projects and like related to things that she's doing.
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:28.319
And I'm kind of here for it.
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:41.359
I feel like she probably wants a break for music, and I feel like after an album like Brat, like the expectations are so high that I feel like she's almost gonna wait to drop an album until those expectations are just like gone or like people have are over them.
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:41.839
Totally.
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:48.559
And I think that's why she's focusing so much on film and like soundtracks, and I feel like there's like she has like 10 more movies coming up.
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.599
There's gonna be like Charlie music in some way, whether it's score or anything in there.
00:27:54.720 --> 00:28:08.160
I think she's an incredible songwriter, and I think she one thing about Charlie that, and especially her taking on these other other projects, is I want the general public to see that she's such a chameleon because some of like the biggest pop songs like Charlie wrote.
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:08.400
Yes.
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And so I think even though Bratt is her biggest project, like she's been in the games, like she really can write different sounds, and I think this is a perfect example of her just showing, like, I can do more than just this Brat party scene.
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:21.279
Yeah, yes.
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:27.599
I think people don't realize that, but well, I think even Brat was more than that, but people didn't take it as more than like surface value, right?
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.920
Which is why I love the moment in the movie where like you you can see the directors just like kind of labeling it as right, yeah.
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:35.440
The moment is great.
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.279
I really loved it too, actually.
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:38.640
Yeah, so meta.
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:52.480
Like, I'm so happy with like how they took that and like what they did with it, but also having the foresight to like film that while you're doing uh like blowing up is insane.
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.880
Like, I think her team and her brain is just on it.
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.440
And the fact that like she kind of took reins on this and was like, this is what we're doing, insane.
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:04.799
That like our girl is she's also very clearly like this is not this, right?
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You want it to be this, but it's actually this is what it's about.
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:17.279
Like, she has such a clear POV, and like she understands it so deeply, and I thought that was really impressive just all throughout the whole era, but yes, the movie especially.
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.720
It is Valentine's Day, so I want to talk about your favorite uh love songs.
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Because I okay, wait, I say favorite love songs, but I actually have the heart I do not listen to like love songs.
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:31.359
I always go to like the heartbreak songs.
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I know.
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.799
Well, I I just feel like it's so the mood.
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.799
I like I love being I love being in like that dark, like heartbreak mood.
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I know it sounds so weird, but like just like I love feeling it, you know what I mean?
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.720
So I go more towards heartbreak stuff, but what is your like Valentine's Day?
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Would you guys have a Valentine's Day song?
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I have a few.
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:50.000
Okay.
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:50.960
I'm I'm married.
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I don't know if you know that about me.
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So that you're allowed to have love songs that you can have this.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:03.359
I definitely have a few that are like directly related to my relationship that mean a lot to me personally.
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.039
Uh it was so fun thinking about like what are the best pop love songs of all time.
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Because I agree, a lot of mine that I love are about is this love?
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Or like don't let it be the end, or please come back, like that kind of thing.
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Like that push and pull is what makes songs interesting.
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Yeah, like we're so in love, is not necessarily the most like dynamic.
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Like, happy by Pharrell is not on my list.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, well, I don't think that's a love song.
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I think that's just about having serotonin.
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He loves life, you know.
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.079
Um, but it's so funny because I was noticing the same thing.
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I was realizing, oh, I thought this was a love song.
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Like, how will I know?
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.839
Whitney Houston, for example, was on my list, and then I listened and I was like, she's not actually in love.
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.319
She well, she might be, but is it reciprocated, right?
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:44.960
Yes, yeah, yeah.
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.960
So I totally know what you're saying.
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:54.319
Um I think a great love song needs to have great love lyrics, but also needs to make me feel like love makes me feel.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:54.799
Right.
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.359
The first song that I have on my playlist is Cece Penniston's Finally.
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Okay, okay.
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No, but like that, I can get behind that.
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:10.480
But like it's not like I that's a great song, and that's a great love song, but for me, it's not like a song that makes me feel love.
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.000
Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:12.880
Oh, maybe.
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:20.400
Like that makes me feel happy, but it doesn't like convey that like love heart, like how I physically feel about it.
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:20.960
Okay.
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.599
Not necessarily what I think about it, because I do think it's a love song.
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:23.920
Yes, I think.
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.960
I think it's a great love song.
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.119
So, what does love make you feel like?
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.519
Well, I think that's a little deep, but I think God forbid if you talk about your emotions.
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God.
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.599
Listen, I'm a man, okay?
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:40.079
Um we're talking, yeah.
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.079
Yeah, my like love songs are like Blue Jeans by like Lana Dora.
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:44.799
That is so funny.
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Video games is definitely on my list.
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:46.880
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:54.640
Like those are love songs to me that like make you feel, even though it's like the more heartbreak side of love, but like I can feel that emotion through that.
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:55.359
Does that make sense?
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:56.400
Yeah, no, I get it.
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.160
So that's what about you?
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:04.640
Um, I think, yeah, I do tend to, because I have never like officially, I think, been in love, love.
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.519
So a lot of my love songs are like the what ifs, like for the best.
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.680
Is this okay, go kill yourself?
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.160
Uh, is this like the best type of thing?
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:17.759
But I know a song that I even when I was younger, I kept saying like this, I want this to be my wedding song.
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:23.599
Obviously, I don't think it will be, but just was like the first moment that I think clicked, I'm like, oh, I think this is what love should feel like.
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:23.920
Right.
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Um, is a song that Ellie Golding covered, but it's on her deluxe of uh her second album.
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.200
It's called How Long Will I Love You.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:46.720
Um, and it's just kind of about how like I will love you to like, you know, how long will I love you until like the the like until we're old and gray and like all this kind of things, and like really like loving someone for like all their flaws and beauties and like beyond the lust of it all.
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.599
And I think that's like a love song that I quite like.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.480
Such a nice answer.
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:51.279
I love that song.
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.720
Yeah, it's a big voice.
00:32:52.880 --> 00:33:03.519
Yeah, I think it's it's like gorgeous, it's like the first time I'd I remember listening to it when I was finally coming to terms with that I was gay, and I think it really clicks of like, where you seven, you should just like this is so yeah, yeah.
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.960
Yes, you're a child.
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.720
So I think that's a really interesting point.
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:09.519
I was thinking about this.
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.160
So many love songs are about falling in love, or like, is this love?
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:18.640
And it's nice to have a love song that's about like a love that's really long-lasting.
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.000
I find that's a little rare.
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:25.359
Another person I kept coming back to, all mine are like 90s references, but Shania Twain.
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.400
Like, you're still the one from this moment on, uh, forever and for always.
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.119
Like, these are songs about like a long-lasting, like romantic relationship, right?
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.960
And keeping it going through all of that.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.559
And so I find that very romantic.
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.759
So I think like this is a good example, but like you're still the one is one where I think that's a love song.
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.000
Yes.
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:51.839
But I think it's more because it's in that like mid-tempo, slower, like I can feel the emotion, I can feel it.
00:33:51.920 --> 00:34:00.240
Whereas like the one we're talking about earlier, finally, is like for me, love is like that exuberant, like rush of like abandon, you know what I mean?
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.599
Like uh Carly Ray Jepson's Run Away with Me, for example.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.440
To me, that's like what love feels like.
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:05.759
Okay.
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.759
Um, you were talking about wedding songs.
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:08.000
Yeah.
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.400
Our wedding song or our first dance was Past Life by Rev.
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:12.800
Oh.
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:21.119
It's kind of the one ballad on her album, and it's I don't know, there's something about the lyrics that were so personal to my husband and I.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.239
And every time we listened to it, we would just like break down in tears.
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.079
And I was like, this kind of has to be it, right?
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:26.559
I love that.
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:27.440
I love that song.
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.480
And I think that makes it even like I feel like no one's done that.
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:31.039
Don't do this.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:31.840
This is their song.
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.920
This is their wedding song, so don't do it.
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.639
Which I also feel makes it more in you know what I mean?
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.119
Yes, I think it's a little bit more.
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.079
It's more special, right?
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.320
Than using, like, I don't know, blast or something.
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.599
James Blunt, you're beautiful.
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:44.559
So divorce.
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:57.760
Since moment since we've all talked about like like that, I know you touched on heartbreak songs, so I'm just curious, like quickly, what is a like a heartbreak song you continuously go to when you want to feel like that side of love?
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.800
I feel like this is gonna sound no one dies from love, Tovlo.
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.920
Oh like Robin Dancing on my own, like those like sad banner.
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.760
Yeah, sound like a like a sad lyric but like upbeat kind of thing.
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:17.920
Yeah, like that little, like I think that middle ground of like making you feel both happy and sad at the same time.
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.480
Like, I think like Tovlo's a perfect example.
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.840
Like, I can listen to that and feel sad, but not be sad.
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:24.719
Do you know what I mean?
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:25.360
Totally.
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.800
Like, and so I I think I gravitate more towards those.
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:36.719
Even Lana del Rey, like obviously, like you can go down, you know, the like depression spiral really quickly.
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:41.360
Um, but like I love like love it, and like that stuff makes me feel sad.
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:48.559
I mean, like I listen to banks a lot, like Drowning, like waiting game, like those are okay.
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:49.760
Like I love all those.
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:51.440
That's sort of where I gravitate towards.
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:51.679
Yes.
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.440
Sky forever, everything's embarrassing.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.440
Like, I know, but like I did put boys on my playlist.
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.559
Okay, that's hilarious.
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.280
Like, I knew it was love, I knew it was you all along.
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:02.079
Like, come on, that's it.
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:02.800
I'll give you that.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:03.599
I'll give you that.
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.119
Um, I mean, we were just talking about it, Chains of Love.
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.199
Like, that's like that's the type.
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.159
I don't know, like something about the grandness of like those mid-tempo songs just like makes me feel that.
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.199
Okay, I love that.
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:16.239
What about you?
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:17.440
Do you have like a thing?
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:25.039
I think like heartbreak, like two, three that I I will go to is like decode by Sabrina Carpenter.
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:34.800
I think I just love the concept of like I overanalyze the situation and maybe there was really nothing here to decode is like such a beautiful concept that a lot of people can feel when they're trying to date.
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:51.920
Um, there's also a song by Olivia Roderico called Enough For You that she I love lyrics, but the lyric is, and someday I'll be everything to somebody else, which I think is like very like a was a click moment for me where if someone's not giving you the thing you need, like that's not your person.
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.320
Yes.
00:36:52.559 --> 00:37:02.880
But also, even though those other two are already like, you know, embarrassing enough, but there's a song by Fifth Harmony called Don't Say You Love Me.
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:03.199
Yes.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:09.440
But lyrically, it's beautiful where it's like, like there, there's a lyric where Don't Promise Me Tonight if you can't give me tomorrow, too.
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:16.000
And I think it's like sometimes in life we do say love, I love you so effortlessly when we don't mean it.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.519
And so I think that was a beautiful song.
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.719
And it was also the last song Fifth Harmony did as a four group.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.800
Sorry, yeah, like that was like their closing song of like we're letting this go.
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.400
Um, so I think it just has like so many meanings for like chapters, closing and stuff.
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:45.760
I think you know, we're talking about like a pure love song, is maybe not as resonant sometimes as like a heartbreak song, and I think again, it's that push and pull of like it's not easy necessarily, and like love does go through these like phases, and so I understand that.
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.559
I'm I'm on your side.
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:56.000
I also feel like some of those songs, if they're tied to certain moments or certain things, is easier to relate to than certain boys, than certain boys, yeah.
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.400
So you know who you are.
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.840
Yeah, I loved what you were saying about like the end of something can be the start of something new.
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:04.639
Do you know what I mean?
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:11.760
My my partner said the day his ex and him broke up was like one of the worst days of his life, and I was like, Well, it was a really good day for me.
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:17.360
You know, like thank god, thank god that happened because it freed up space for this to happen, right?
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:19.519
So there's there's love out there, yeah.
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:20.639
There's love out there for you.
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For some of us.
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This was a lovely episode.
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We thank you so much, Brett, for joining us.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.039
Thanks for having me.
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That's really fun.
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Thanks for tuning in, everyone.
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I'm glad we could do this.
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They are a pop culture connoisseur.
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They know a lot about vinyls and records.
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They are the biggest Britney fan we know.
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Everyone, welcome, Brett.
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Hi.
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It's so nice to be here.
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Yeah.
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I can't tell you how excited I am to be in a room where I don't have the highest voice.
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Well, you're welcome.
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You're welcome, baby.
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Don't don't tempt me in the editing stuff where you're talking about it.
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Yeah, because I will pitch the fuck out of it.
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Yours is a little raspy today, though.
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Yes, yeah.
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I'm feeling a little under the weather.
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So I think we'll see how much I talk today.
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Actually.
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Yeah.
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That's what I get for pre-planning my punch.
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I mean, we've been talking about this for like almost a year now.
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Yeah.
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And I'm glad that we're able to like get together and talk music.
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I'm so excited to be here because I feel like every time we're alone, either of us together, we get into like these tangents about everything that's been going on.
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And I watch you two as well.
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And so I'm honored to be here.
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I'm very excited.
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I'm also excited because like uh I feel like you get along with him in terms of like music style, but also me.
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And now I feel like I have someone to back me up because like I'll talk about my flops all the time, and you'll be like, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, I feel like you listen, you and I listen to the same music all the time.
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I love a flop.
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I uh yeah, our flop, our girls in the key asylum.
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We we stand, we stand.
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Plus, speaking of the key asylum, we've got a lot of we have to talk about a couple people, such as BB Rexa is doing a visual album.
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We'll talk about her.
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Larry Duff's announcing announced a world tour, which we'll get into.
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And of course, Britney Spears sold her catalog, so we have an expo here to talk about it.
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And it happens to be Valentine's Day weekend, so we're gonna talk about love songs.
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Well, let's get into it.
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Okay, let's just I want to talk about Britney.
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Let's just because this Dan is here.
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Selling her catalog.
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What is that?
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You know, I mean, we know what it means.
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I feel like most people don't know what it means.
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Most people I've discovered have no idea what it means.
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Or I think they also don't know how prevalent it is and how common it is for people to sell the rights to their music.
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Right.
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So even just in the last few years, Katy Perry sold the rights to hers, Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, uh going all the way back to like Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Nicks, basically what it means is that you are giving up any future rights to like streaming revenue, licensing fees, that kind of thing.
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So 200 million, I've been seeing people that's kind of like the assumed figure.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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People think that for Brittany, that seems like a low amount, which I mean I agree, she's priceless.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But the thing is, because she isn't a writer on most of her huge songs, that means her cut of those is a little bit smaller.
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So that doesn't represent the entirety of her catalog, just her share.
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Exactly.
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And so now I think we're gonna start seeing her music pop up in new places, like did you see the McDonald's commercial?
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Yeah, right away.
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Like Sergio was saying, like, that's so Brittany McDonald's, but like a thousand percent.
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Now other teams are making those decisions, so yes, we might see more.
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They even added like the deluxe version of Circuit.
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I saw on Spotify, which I didn't have before.
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They uploaded to this like remix EP of all the different versions of three.
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There's like 19 remixes of three, which classic.
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Oh, that's us today.
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That is us today.
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Okay, anyway.
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I'm still not the singer, so y'all can still do that.
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It's early.
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We didn't do our warm-up now.
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But uh anyway, I think it's great for Britney.
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Uh, you know, a big lump sum.
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She can invest that, she can, you know, do her trips to Mexico, she can live her life.
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It also kind of checks out because we've been getting these like little droplets of her music on streaming for the past like six months, and now it makes sense that like they're putting everything out because now she's selling the catalog and those releases need to be made more available.
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So it uh I'm I mean it might open up more doors.
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Because also not to be that guy, but like if she runs out of that money, she's gonna need other ways to make money, which means we might get more Britney music.
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So I mean, I would love more Britney music.
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I miss her voice so much.
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We're thirsty.
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I'm just curious to know what she sees music sounding like in this the year 2026.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like she's always had such a great ear, she's been ahead of every single trend in like dance music for so long.
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And so I think we are missing her.
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There's a reason that people keep going, she's new Britney, because we are missing her energy 100% so so much in her point of view, right?
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Well, also just like I think she's had her unique point of view that never came out.
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Like, we had like original doll, and then there was another album that she was working on, and like we've had leaks from these things, but like I feel like that's what she would gravitate towards to now, which is kind of nice.
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Yeah, I guess that's true.
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She would do her like what she's wanted to do and hasn't had the chance to do, something a little darker, yeah.
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And we've liked those things, so like I'm kind of here for it.
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Or also I remember the one time she performed like during her Vegas show where she like turned on the mic and was like making a statement, and it was like so raspy and like rock and roll.
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Like, I would like to see a more edgier Britney when she's gonna be.
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Well, it's funny, every time she covers a song, it is like a rock song, yeah.
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It was uh let's give them something to talk about.
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Yeah, yeah.
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She also did like you wanna know on the circus tour.
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Like, she has that like edge and that anger just inside of her.
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So And I feel like when they did Re will rock you, like her and Pink, like Pink speaks so highly of Britney, so that has to say something about her like rock history and like knowledge.
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Oh, and also pink will tell it like it is pink will have no shit.
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So that's why I trust Kelly Clarkson and Britney Spears because Pink fucks with them.
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's T actually.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Do you pass the pink inspection?
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I love that.
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So there is that topic of the next Britney.
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And I feel like there's been a bunch of names that have flown around for like the next Britney.
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If people say Tay McCray, they say Addison Ray, which is on your t-shirt.
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It kind of gave gaga for a second.
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I was looking at I kind of saw a telephone.
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Like, there is a one that is like this.
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Yeah, like the urine blonde hair.
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Yes.
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Oh, I forgot.
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I wasn't talking into this.
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But who do you feel is like the next this generation's Britney if there is one?
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And do you feel like that's fair to put artists and compare them to like you're the next this?
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Because the one thing I want to touch on is I remember when Normani was starting, people kept saying, like, you're the next Beyoncé, and I think that really overwhelmed her because from a fan perspective, I think Normani didn't want to be the next Beyoncé.
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I think she wanted to be the next like Sierra, which is not the level of no disrespect to that.
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I love Sierra.
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But like, you know, like I think she's like, I just want to say you speak of.
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This is the time.
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Anyways, I'm just saying, like, I think it puts a lot of pressure on artists when we compare them to like the biggest, biggest people.
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Oh my god, like who will ever be the next Beyonce?
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No one.
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Right.
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And I don't think anyone will ever be the next Britney.
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It actually makes me think of when Britney debuted, people were saying she's the next Madonna.
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And it's like no one will ever be that.
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Is she influenced by her?
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Absolutely.
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Right.
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And I think now what we're seeing is the next generation of that, where all of these pop girls decided to go into making music because of Britney.
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Yeah.
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It's impossible not to reference her because that's their blueprint to follow, right?
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And I think if I was a pop girl, which in my mind I am, that's who I would follow, right?
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Like, of course I would emulate her or try to whatever.
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But for me, Addison, seeing her in concert, had that effortless, like cool energy.
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Right.
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She was just like being herself in a way that I think a lot of people try to put something on.
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Right.
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And she just seems so effortless, maybe a little too effortless for some.
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But for me, she just had that charisma and that stage presence, and that like she was giving you 90 and letting you give the other 10.
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Do you know what I mean?
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She wanted you to like meet her there.
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Right, right.
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And for me, that was like seeing Britney live again.
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I'm very sad I didn't go to that.
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My my appendix burst, so I had a reasonable excuse to not go.
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Um I I thought about it.
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I was like, I could get wheeled in in a wheelchair, get front row.
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I remember making oh like that sucks, but like I'm still gonna go.
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I I wanted you to go.
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I wouldn't I wouldn't have missed it either, but this is your problem.
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This is your problem.
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I'm glad you're alive.
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Like, uh you weren't the one taking the appendix out.
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I was like, I'm not a doctor.
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He's like, it has already burst.
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Yeah, I was like, mine's gone already.
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You might be.
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Everyone on this couch, watch out.
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It's okay.
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I could stand to lose a pound or something.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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I actually said that.
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You lose nothing.
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I literally said, oh my god, at least I'm gonna lose weight.
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And he was like, No, it's actually only like 0.3 grams.
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And I was like, Are you fucking kidding me?
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All this time.
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And then after surgery, you actually blow it so you feel heavier.
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Anyways, back to pop music, not our inside.
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Appendix is popping, yeah.
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But I actually there's also another thing with the whole Brittany world that I think I see in multiple generations of music where it's sometimes we see two artists that are always pinned against each other, one that's clearly a vocalist, but one that the public tends to enjoy their music more.
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And we've seen it with like Brittany Christina, Selena Demi, and like it's it's kind of just like this revolving door of like one might be the powerhouse vocalist, but the public seems to enjoy the other one, whether it be for personality or their songs are just like more relatable or whatever that is.
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And I I'm curious if you think a powerhouse vocalist sometimes is less appealing to the general public.
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Always, yeah, yeah.
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I think so.
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Why is that?
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Well, a general public like people hate to see women win, so there's that.
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So whenever we have a big, strong leading lady, like I think the public is shit.
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I mean, look at Zara Larson.
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Like, Zara Larson's a perfect example, like she is an amazing vocalist, and she's just now getting her flowers.
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Like, I just think people like that like little uh relatability, you know what I mean?
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And I think when someone is like too no, I don't want to say too perfect, but like, do you know what I mean?
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Like it's just like people aren't relating to that.
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Madison Beer, I think, is the same way.
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I think Madison Beer is a great vocalist.
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Madison Beer is like so beautiful that I think is like a detriment to her.
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Do you know what I mean?
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It's like that Megan Fox thing.
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It's like that's the first thing people see, yes, and they just like put them into that uh lane, and then the the public just.
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She's so talented.
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That's why you let the gays stand you, and then that's it.
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Okay, I think I have a thought.
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Okay.
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So with Brittany and Christina, I think Christina had an amazing voice, but didn't necessarily have like the control or the taste level.
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Like she didn't necessarily know what to do with all of that.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Whereas Brittany seems to have a really keen ear of like what style suited her.
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And I think someone like Madison Beer, I mean Powerhouse Vocalist is maybe not the first thing I think of when I think of her, but she does uh sound great on the new album.
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But I think she similarly doesn't quite know where she fits or what her style is.
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I see her kind of trying to emulate other people rather than like forging her own sort of path.
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And so I'm curious to hear what she'll sound like in like another album or two.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I feel like even with her, she's very like situational for me.
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Like I loved um oh my god, life support.
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No, I love life support.
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Like that album is great, but then then one after that, like silence between songs.
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I was like, mmm, I like fuck with like two things on here.
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But the newest one, Locket, I'm like stellar.
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Okay, so I think it's like yeah, I think Lock It is her emails I can't send.
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I think for me it's like I think she's found her penmanship.
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And now I think like her next album will be like her short and sweet, where like she really blows up it just in the sense of like I think she's finding up her her uh like what she wants to say, and she is finding that line of like EDM, but like sad songs and vocals, and like the thing, and then we'll we'll get into another topic that I do appreciate about Madison Beer is that she's credited as a producer on all the songs, right?
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And a lot of the like instrumental stuff is very experimental, so I'm just hoping the next album she like takes what that experimental approach, but also with her vocals.
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That makes sense.
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Yes, completely agree.
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Yeah, totally.
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I think there is something that is clicking, but there's something that's just not just needs to be pushed a little bit further.
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I agree, I do agree.
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Yeah, so we talked about the icon that is Brittany, but I think we should also talk about the icon that is Hilary Duff because she's going on a world tour.
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And one thing, here's what I want to say.
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Hillary Duff, if you see this, this is for you.
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Thank you for actually when you say touring like North America, you're doing multiple Canadian dates.
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And I think that's something we need to talk about more because just doing Toronto, and I live in Toronto, just doing Toronto is not considered North American.
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She's doing like Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, Vancouver.
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I think she's doing Calgary as well.
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Like she's real and Nova Scotia, she's doing crazy.
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Yeah, like that's and like Katie Perry.
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Katie Perry did the same thing where she did like an actual Canadian tour, and I'm like, good, because like Canada is just not Toronto or Vancouver.
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Like, we need to start touring those other places, and I appreciate that Hillary Duff is taking note and making sure her Canadian fans across Canada are represented.
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I mean, I'm from Manitoba, and so people touring to Winnipeg is like very rare now.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like even when I still live there, you know, sometimes you'd have to go to Minneapolis or whatever to go see a show, right?
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But like flying to Toronto every fucking month.
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Yeah.
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Sorry, am I allowed to swear?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But you know what I mean?
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Like flying to Toronto, that's really expensive, right?
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And so most people can't make that happen on a regular basis.
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And if we just have the one date, like it's so impossible to get tickets because everyone's flying in for stuff and everyone's trying to buy tickets to this like one Toronto show.
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So I'm so like even we got that you know TD Coliseum in Hamilton, like I'm so glad because I've already seen it be slightly easier to get some tickets for things.
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Cool.
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Because people are like, oh, I'm gonna do the Hamilton one versus Toronto.
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That's so true.
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I had thought that bad.
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Because like people like Waterloo, like Hamilton, London will do that one, where it's like the GTA will stay to this one, which I think is quite nice.
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Yeah.
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So you saw Hillary when she was here.
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I did see Hillary.
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I so I never got to see Hillary growing up.
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Like my first concert, I think, was when I was like 15, 16.
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Okay.
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So for me it was so nostalgic just because like everything flashed back, and you really it felt like I can only articulate it as kind of like the first time I saw Demi Lovato when I was like more of an adult, or the first time I went to Disneyland as a grown adult, or like you were just transported as a child and got to live something that you really craved.
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And she was great, she was so fun.
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I think she just was like surprised at how much people still loved her, but she really played into nostalgia, and I quite liked a lot of the new songs, and I'm really excited for the album.
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Great.
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I'm I tried not to watch any stories because I had FOMO for not being there.
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Now less because I have so many opportunities to go see her now with the new tour.
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It's interesting she's like splitting it up because she's like in Toronto like this year, I think, yeah, but then in Hamilton next year.
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Is that how a lot of her Canada stuff is is next year.
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Yeah, it's it's there's like a big gap.
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Do we think the production value is going to be more?
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Good question.
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I would I think so because I think with this, the like last time she did history, now she's gonna do RBC amputeater.
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So I think she knows there's like a more higher demand, so there's more like budget and willing to spend.
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I do think it also depends on how this album performs.
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So that will be a lot, but from what I feel from like the record and from what we're seeing on her general social media, it seems like there's a big push to like give this to OG fans and like really do it right.
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Yeah, yeah, because I think I wasn't there, but I based on the clips I saw, it was a little like I don't know, inviting fans on stage to do the with love choreo, like poorly.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I would have liked to just see her have some actual dancers and like do it herself and like and just say nothing.
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I don't know.
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I agree with you, you know what I mean?
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Like I have okay I wasn't there, but I have two notes.
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I have two notes.
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I feel like now there's this like marketing thing where it's like everyone has that one song that they bring people on, and it's rehearsing the choreo for that.
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So like I get it from that point.
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Yeah, I also feel like like the tour that she did right now was more just like intro her coming back to music.
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So I understand that it was more like smaller, less production value, just like it almost felt like I was what called like um small room, big nerves or something.
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Yeah, that's what it's like.
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Like it almost felt like that was like authentic to her.
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Like, I need to do this before doing like stadiums and doing like these big venues.
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So I will give her a pass, but I don't think I would give her a pass for that for this next tour.
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Because I think you're like, This is my world tour.
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Yeah, you now you need to bring world tour energy.
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Yes, it can still be Hillary Duff world tour energy, but you need to still bring that.
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I think even if she had brought fans up to do the choreo with her or for her, and then maybe had her own dancers and then they did it afterwards, like it could have built to that.
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Yeah, but I still I I do feel I can't remember actually, maybe I don't think so.
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So I think she was just her and the band.
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But I will say a couple things.
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Like, one, I agree with Hugo, like we've seen it with Sabrina Carpenter like handcuffing people, like Zara Larson has a lush life girl.
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Like it is like a thing now in shows where there's like a special moment where a fan, Renee Rapp also has it as well, but sometimes it's a famous person.
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Right.
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We had the Sally girl, uh so like it's a thing that we we're seeing in concerts now where someone will and I think I think it makes sense.
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Apple girl.
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Um, I think also with the concert, too, that the and I think with what she's teasing with this album, it's supposed to feel very living room-esque, like living in the your feelings, like it kind of felt like her home in a way.
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So I because there was like a couple songs on a couch, and like it how it plays out, and one song she's talking about her sister, and that they don't talk anymore.
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But I will say, like, I agree.
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I think the next tour, I want to see an elevated budget, I want to see dancers, I want to see pop star Hillary Duff.
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But for someone who hasn't performed in 20 years, I think it makes sense that she did a small venue and just tested out the waters and was like, okay, like I'm back into it.
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Like, let's let's give it a go.
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Okay, that's fair.
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I I buy that for a dollar.
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Yeah.
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Well, you ain't gonna find it for a dollar.
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There's a lot of dollars on there.
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Speak a lot of dollars are also being put into BB Rex's visual albums.
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Let's get into that because BB Rexa is independent, so she is funding her whole dirty blonde era.
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I'm you know what?
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I'm happy.
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I hope she breaks out of the Kia Asylum.
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First of all, is it Kia or Kaya?
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Have we decided?
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I think Kia just rolls off the tongue.
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It does.
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I think it's I think I say Kia because the car, but I know, like people correct, I see people fighting on all the time on the internet about it, so we know it could be.
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Actually, Juan, I see I've heard BB Rexa on the treadmill say Kia Asylum.
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I know, but I just think everyone, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Anyways, I need her to break out of there.
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This album sounds great.
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All the songs sounded great, all the visuals looked amazing.
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I just my one thing is like, has she been planning this?
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Because when she like had her little meltdown like a month ago, it felt like she was like stuck in nowhere.
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And now we're like, she shot these what 13 videos, full albums.
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It's all like ready to go.
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Yeah, it's all like ready to go.
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Like, has this stuff just been sitting in drafts?
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Like, did she just like was holding on?
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I don't know.
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I'm just I'm excited I'm I'm excited.
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She's like, did an interview where she was like, um, well, you you make these songs over three years, and then you're putting like all your eggs in one basket, sometimes for just one single, and I didn't want to do that, which I think is really smart.
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We've also seen it before with independent artists like when Kim Petris was independent and she was doing with clarity like a release a week, which I love because I think we are in a society sometimes where sometimes we'd just listen to an album for a week and then we're like, oh, a new album comes out.
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Yes.
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Whereas if you do the weekly releases, I quite like it, and also we're all busy in life, so it kind of feels I don't love it with TV shows as much because I'm like, because I need it all.
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Like traders right now is driving me insane because I was like, I need an album.
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Oh, they do a cliffhanger like nobody else.
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Oh my god, yeah.
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But I like it with music because I'm like, okay, cool, I can live with this song for a week and then I can hear the next one and properly pinpoint songs to like certain time periods in life.
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So I I hope BB does well.
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Also, my last take on it, I don't think BB is in the Kia asylum.
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Like, she literally had a number one hit song, I'm good, like two summers ago.
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But that wasn't really hers.
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Like, that's the vocal heart because she is so often the featured artist, yeah, and not the lead artist.
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And I think she doesn't necessarily have the name or the face recognition.
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Here's though, like, we watched this with Ray a couple years ago, right?
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I've been a Ray fan since the very beginning.
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I love her, but she was the same thing.
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You know, her label wasn't letting her do what she wanted to do, release anything if she didn't have a big hit.
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And then she was able to spin that narrative to have a really successful era.
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And so maybe BB is kind of thinking, Mickey B B, that was just fun to say.
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Uh maybe she's thinking there's like a similar narrative she can like capitalize off of, right?
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Which I think like can happen.
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Like so many art.
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I mean, like, look at Charlie.
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Like, Charlie didn't go through that same thing of like leaving the label, but like Brat was her being like, fuck it, I'm doing whatever I want to do.
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And like look at what Brat was, right?
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Like before that, she did crash and she tried to do what's the label, you know, what the label wanted, and like that the pop sound and the samples and everything, and no one really cared.
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Oh, I mean, I care, no, like I care.
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The gays cared, you know what I mean.
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You know, like the gays cared.
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I I mean I loved it, but yeah, I also think that era needed to happen in order for Brat to happen.
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Yes, you know what I mean.
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Like it laid the groundwork.
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Um similarly with like Miley's plastic hearts to give her flowers to you guys like and even I don't I know I keep bringing up Sabrina, but like I we also saw with Sabrina Carpenter where where she finally left whatever the Disney label is called Hollywood Records, it was on Universal and like actually got to write her songs that you could really listen to emails I can't send and be like, Oh, this is who you are.
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And so sometimes I feel like for artists to break that, they need the like label to just kind of let them do their own thing.
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Yes.
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And I'm hoping now that BB's independent, like this is what we're gonna get out of her.
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Cool.
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I mean, I loved her last album too.
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Actually.
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She's been solid.
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If you've never heard uh Blue Moon by BB Rexa, it's actually one of my favorite songs of all time.
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Really?
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Oh my god, what a banger.
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Yeah.
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Should we put it on?
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Commercial break.
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Commercial break, yeah.
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So Withering Heights movie and soundtrack are out today.
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Uh who's who's listened?
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Did you listen to it?
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I've heard the album.
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Okay.
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And I love it.
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Okay.
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I love that it's a Charlie album and not like a soundtrack.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I think it's brilliant.
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And you saw the movie.
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I saw the movie, yeah.
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We saw the movie last week.
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Great movie.
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It's literally just like Romeo and Juliet meets Fifty Shades of Grey.
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That's all you need.
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It's like.
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Yeah.
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Really, that's the perfect way to describe what three gates is like, is exactly that.
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But I don't know if I had just been so conditioned with heated rivalry that I was like, eh, yeah.
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Could have been hotter.
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Like maybe because of the straight stuff.
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Yeah.
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And also, like, I guess it's like the ye old days or whatever.
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I was like, it wasn't like the old days.
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But I think there was a little, there was like some like kinky moments that were that were like, like that's crazy.
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No, like literally they did that scene and I was like, a horse uses that.
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That's crazy smell.
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There's like the scene where like the guy puts the like horse harness on her as he's fucking her.
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Yeah.
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But like it just like, I'm like, oh, that's a horse harness.
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Like it's a harness, but I'm like, oh, that's a horse harness in the 18th century.
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Not the bear back I was hoping for.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's some questionable thing.
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Yeah.
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And then also, like, I'm like, well, they were kind of siblings, I guess.
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Well, not siblings siblings.
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I guess he's like her pet or like servant or whatever, but still, I was like, interesting.
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Okay.
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I gotta see this movie.
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I did cry at the end, so it was like a good emotional movie.
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It it makes you horny and cry at the same time.
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Yeah.
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So Withering Heights.
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It's a long list for me.
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Um do you cry easily?
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Time question because I didn't cry.
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I think it was just like how they handled the death, and like it was just like it just was well done.
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Yeah.
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Also, I'm so sorry.
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Well, it's been the book's been out forever.
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It's like saying Darth Vader is like the father.
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Like, come on, yeah.
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I think we had this thing during Wicked too, where like people were saying things and then getting spoiled, and people are like, babe, this is an old musical scene.
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No, yeah, yeah.
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So sorry, but like this book has been out forever.
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Like before any of us were alive.
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Yeah.
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At this point, I don't know what to tell you.
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But maybe we do a spoiler.
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Also he said Romeo and Juliet's meets like 50 shades.
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Like, we know how Romeo and Juliet.
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They're so crossed, yes.
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Yes.
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Uh I mean, I still don't really know what Withering means, so I think you know, any spoiler is a spoiler to me.
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I also didn't know what that means.
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Oh, do you know that?
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No, I do, and it's so fucking stupid.
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I don't even want to tell you why it's called that.
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Do you understand?
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You know what it was, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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It's like, you know, those moments in movie were like, that's the title of the movie.
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He said it.
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Yeah.
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And you're you're just like, oh, like it's that it's at me, it's on me yourself.
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:02.000
Yeah, it's very much that.
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Yeah.
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Um, but otherwise, great, great movie.
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.599
And how does the music play into the movie?
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So the mu okay, so interestingly enough, I wish I had heard the soundtrack before I watched the movie, because I think during the movie, you hear so much of the soundtrack that you're not realizing you're listening to it.
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Like they don't use the vocals a lot.
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Like they there's I think like Chains of Love, um, House is obviously in it, um, and I think maybe like Wall of Sound and a little bit of like the Sky Forever song.
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Cool.
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But generally, you're hearing a lot of the instrumentals, um, or if they drop a score, like maybe they scored it very similarly.
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Um, so I wish I had heard it the soundtrack first, but it like fully fits into it.
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I think the world is just like so like ethereal and like gloomy, but like also bright at the same time.
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Like it's it's very Charlie.
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It's very and like this album is very true romance.
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So if you like Charlie True Romance, you'll love this.
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Um Did you hear what she said about the Velvet Underground, like why John Cale is on it?
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She said there's an old interview with John Cale where he says everything for the Velvet Underground needed to be both elegant and brutal, and she had that kind of on her mood board for the soundtrack.
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:13.519
Interesting.
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:19.359
So she reached out to him and played him some of the music, and then he decided he wanted to be on it as well.
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:20.000
Interesting.
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:21.359
So elegant and brutal.
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:26.160
If you're listening through the Wuthering Heights soundtrack, that's her sort of uh her ground zero for.
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:27.359
I kinda I I hear it.
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:34.640
I mean, I hear it on all the stuff that she did, and the album's great, so and Emerald Fennel always has great, great soundtracks for sure.
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.799
I uh I'm really excited to see the movie.
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.400
I really I love dying for you.
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.079
Like what a banger.
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:40.319
Yes.
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.839
Alters is I think my favorite.
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.559
But also Chains of Love is like a classic Charlie song.
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:44.880
Yes.
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.839
It's very clearly like the single and like the more like pop record of this, but I I love it.
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.720
Like it's you could put it in true romance and like it wouldn't feel out of place.
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:53.839
Oh, it's completely agreeable.
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:54.319
Insane.
00:26:54.559 --> 00:27:04.960
Do you think I so after watching the moment and her talking about like what's after Bratt, like life after Brat, I think this soundtrack gives her the perfect out.
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:10.079
It's like it's not necessarily her own work or her own muse or her own whatever.
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.400
So it's a complete departure.
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:27.039
Do you think that was like lucky for her or I feel like it's a little bit, I think we're gonna go into this era of Charlie where like we're gonna get so much music, but I think it's going to be a bit um like specifically related to projects and like related to things that she's doing.
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:28.319
And I'm kind of here for it.
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:41.359
I feel like she probably wants a break for music, and I feel like after an album like Brat, like the expectations are so high that I feel like she's almost gonna wait to drop an album until those expectations are just like gone or like people have are over them.
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:41.839
Totally.
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:48.559
And I think that's why she's focusing so much on film and like soundtracks, and I feel like there's like she has like 10 more movies coming up.
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.599
There's gonna be like Charlie music in some way, whether it's score or anything in there.
00:27:54.720 --> 00:28:08.160
I think she's an incredible songwriter, and I think she one thing about Charlie that, and especially her taking on these other other projects, is I want the general public to see that she's such a chameleon because some of like the biggest pop songs like Charlie wrote.
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:08.400
Yes.
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:20.559
And so I think even though Bratt is her biggest project, like she's been in the games, like she really can write different sounds, and I think this is a perfect example of her just showing, like, I can do more than just this Brat party scene.
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:21.279
Yeah, yes.
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:27.599
I think people don't realize that, but well, I think even Brat was more than that, but people didn't take it as more than like surface value, right?
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.920
Which is why I love the moment in the movie where like you you can see the directors just like kind of labeling it as right, yeah.
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:35.440
The moment is great.
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.279
I really loved it too, actually.
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:38.640
Yeah, so meta.
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:52.480
Like, I'm so happy with like how they took that and like what they did with it, but also having the foresight to like film that while you're doing uh like blowing up is insane.
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.880
Like, I think her team and her brain is just on it.
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.440
And the fact that like she kind of took reins on this and was like, this is what we're doing, insane.
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:04.799
That like our girl is she's also very clearly like this is not this, right?
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.680
You want it to be this, but it's actually this is what it's about.
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:17.279
Like, she has such a clear POV, and like she understands it so deeply, and I thought that was really impressive just all throughout the whole era, but yes, the movie especially.
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.720
It is Valentine's Day, so I want to talk about your favorite uh love songs.
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:29.680
Because I okay, wait, I say favorite love songs, but I actually have the heart I do not listen to like love songs.
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:31.359
I always go to like the heartbreak songs.
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:32.240
I know.
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.799
Well, I I just feel like it's so the mood.
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.799
I like I love being I love being in like that dark, like heartbreak mood.
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.160
I know it sounds so weird, but like just like I love feeling it, you know what I mean?
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.720
So I go more towards heartbreak stuff, but what is your like Valentine's Day?
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Would you guys have a Valentine's Day song?
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:49.599
I have a few.
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:50.000
Okay.
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:50.960
I'm I'm married.
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I don't know if you know that about me.
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:58.400
So that you're allowed to have love songs that you can have this.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:03.359
I definitely have a few that are like directly related to my relationship that mean a lot to me personally.
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.039
Uh it was so fun thinking about like what are the best pop love songs of all time.
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Because I agree, a lot of mine that I love are about is this love?
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.960
Or like don't let it be the end, or please come back, like that kind of thing.
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.319
Like that push and pull is what makes songs interesting.
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.920
Yeah, like we're so in love, is not necessarily the most like dynamic.
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.160
Like, happy by Pharrell is not on my list.
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You know what I mean?
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.440
Like, well, I don't think that's a love song.
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.839
I think that's just about having serotonin.
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.599
He loves life, you know.
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.079
Um, but it's so funny because I was noticing the same thing.
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.240
I was realizing, oh, I thought this was a love song.
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:36.960
Like, how will I know?
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.839
Whitney Houston, for example, was on my list, and then I listened and I was like, she's not actually in love.
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.319
She well, she might be, but is it reciprocated, right?
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:44.960
Yes, yeah, yeah.
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.960
So I totally know what you're saying.
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:54.319
Um I think a great love song needs to have great love lyrics, but also needs to make me feel like love makes me feel.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:54.799
Right.
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.359
The first song that I have on my playlist is Cece Penniston's Finally.
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:00.400
Okay, okay.
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.960
No, but like that, I can get behind that.
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:10.480
But like it's not like I that's a great song, and that's a great love song, but for me, it's not like a song that makes me feel love.
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.000
Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:12.880
Oh, maybe.
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:20.400
Like that makes me feel happy, but it doesn't like convey that like love heart, like how I physically feel about it.
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:20.960
Okay.
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.599
Not necessarily what I think about it, because I do think it's a love song.
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:23.920
Yes, I think.
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.960
I think it's a great love song.
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.119
So, what does love make you feel like?
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.519
Well, I think that's a little deep, but I think God forbid if you talk about your emotions.
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:33.920
God.
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.599
Listen, I'm a man, okay?
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:40.079
Um we're talking, yeah.
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.079
Yeah, my like love songs are like Blue Jeans by like Lana Dora.
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:44.799
That is so funny.
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:46.400
Video games is definitely on my list.
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:46.880
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:54.640
Like those are love songs to me that like make you feel, even though it's like the more heartbreak side of love, but like I can feel that emotion through that.
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:55.359
Does that make sense?
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:56.400
Yeah, no, I get it.
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.160
So that's what about you?
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:04.640
Um, I think, yeah, I do tend to, because I have never like officially, I think, been in love, love.
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.519
So a lot of my love songs are like the what ifs, like for the best.
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.680
Is this okay, go kill yourself?
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.160
Uh, is this like the best type of thing?
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:17.759
But I know a song that I even when I was younger, I kept saying like this, I want this to be my wedding song.
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:23.599
Obviously, I don't think it will be, but just was like the first moment that I think clicked, I'm like, oh, I think this is what love should feel like.
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:23.920
Right.
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Um, is a song that Ellie Golding covered, but it's on her deluxe of uh her second album.
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.200
It's called How Long Will I Love You.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:46.720
Um, and it's just kind of about how like I will love you to like, you know, how long will I love you until like the the like until we're old and gray and like all this kind of things, and like really like loving someone for like all their flaws and beauties and like beyond the lust of it all.
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.599
And I think that's like a love song that I quite like.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.480
Such a nice answer.
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:51.279
I love that song.
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.720
Yeah, it's a big voice.
00:32:52.880 --> 00:33:03.519
Yeah, I think it's it's like gorgeous, it's like the first time I'd I remember listening to it when I was finally coming to terms with that I was gay, and I think it really clicks of like, where you seven, you should just like this is so yeah, yeah.
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.960
Yes, you're a child.
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.720
So I think that's a really interesting point.
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:09.519
I was thinking about this.
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.160
So many love songs are about falling in love, or like, is this love?
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:18.640
And it's nice to have a love song that's about like a love that's really long-lasting.
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.000
I find that's a little rare.
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:25.359
Another person I kept coming back to, all mine are like 90s references, but Shania Twain.
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.400
Like, you're still the one from this moment on, uh, forever and for always.
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.119
Like, these are songs about like a long-lasting, like romantic relationship, right?
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.960
And keeping it going through all of that.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.559
And so I find that very romantic.
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.759
So I think like this is a good example, but like you're still the one is one where I think that's a love song.
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.000
Yes.
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:51.839
But I think it's more because it's in that like mid-tempo, slower, like I can feel the emotion, I can feel it.
00:33:51.920 --> 00:34:00.240
Whereas like the one we're talking about earlier, finally, is like for me, love is like that exuberant, like rush of like abandon, you know what I mean?
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.599
Like uh Carly Ray Jepson's Run Away with Me, for example.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.440
To me, that's like what love feels like.
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:05.759
Okay.
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.759
Um, you were talking about wedding songs.
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:08.000
Yeah.
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.400
Our wedding song or our first dance was Past Life by Rev.
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:12.800
Oh.
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:21.119
It's kind of the one ballad on her album, and it's I don't know, there's something about the lyrics that were so personal to my husband and I.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.239
And every time we listened to it, we would just like break down in tears.
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.079
And I was like, this kind of has to be it, right?
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:26.559
I love that.
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:27.440
I love that song.
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.480
And I think that makes it even like I feel like no one's done that.
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:31.039
Don't do this.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:31.840
This is their song.
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.920
This is their wedding song, so don't do it.
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.639
Which I also feel makes it more in you know what I mean?
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.119
Yes, I think it's a little bit more.
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.079
It's more special, right?
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.320
Than using, like, I don't know, blast or something.
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.599
James Blunt, you're beautiful.
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:44.559
So divorce.
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:57.760
Since moment since we've all talked about like like that, I know you touched on heartbreak songs, so I'm just curious, like quickly, what is a like a heartbreak song you continuously go to when you want to feel like that side of love?
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.800
I feel like this is gonna sound no one dies from love, Tovlo.
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.920
Oh like Robin Dancing on my own, like those like sad banner.
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.760
Yeah, sound like a like a sad lyric but like upbeat kind of thing.
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:17.920
Yeah, like that little, like I think that middle ground of like making you feel both happy and sad at the same time.
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.480
Like, I think like Tovlo's a perfect example.
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.840
Like, I can listen to that and feel sad, but not be sad.
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:24.719
Do you know what I mean?
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:25.360
Totally.
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.800
Like, and so I I think I gravitate more towards those.
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:36.719
Even Lana del Rey, like obviously, like you can go down, you know, the like depression spiral really quickly.
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:41.360
Um, but like I love like love it, and like that stuff makes me feel sad.
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:48.559
I mean, like I listen to banks a lot, like Drowning, like waiting game, like those are okay.
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:49.760
Like I love all those.
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:51.440
That's sort of where I gravitate towards.
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:51.679
Yes.
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.440
Sky forever, everything's embarrassing.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.440
Like, I know, but like I did put boys on my playlist.
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.559
Okay, that's hilarious.
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.280
Like, I knew it was love, I knew it was you all along.
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:02.079
Like, come on, that's it.
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:02.800
I'll give you that.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:03.599
I'll give you that.
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.119
Um, I mean, we were just talking about it, Chains of Love.
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.199
Like, that's like that's the type.
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.159
I don't know, like something about the grandness of like those mid-tempo songs just like makes me feel that.
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.199
Okay, I love that.
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:16.239
What about you?
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:17.440
Do you have like a thing?
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:25.039
I think like heartbreak, like two, three that I I will go to is like decode by Sabrina Carpenter.
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:34.800
I think I just love the concept of like I overanalyze the situation and maybe there was really nothing here to decode is like such a beautiful concept that a lot of people can feel when they're trying to date.
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:51.920
Um, there's also a song by Olivia Roderico called Enough For You that she I love lyrics, but the lyric is, and someday I'll be everything to somebody else, which I think is like very like a was a click moment for me where if someone's not giving you the thing you need, like that's not your person.
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.320
Yes.
00:36:52.559 --> 00:37:02.880
But also, even though those other two are already like, you know, embarrassing enough, but there's a song by Fifth Harmony called Don't Say You Love Me.
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:03.199
Yes.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:09.440
But lyrically, it's beautiful where it's like, like there, there's a lyric where Don't Promise Me Tonight if you can't give me tomorrow, too.
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:16.000
And I think it's like sometimes in life we do say love, I love you so effortlessly when we don't mean it.
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.519
And so I think that was a beautiful song.
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.719
And it was also the last song Fifth Harmony did as a four group.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.800
Sorry, yeah, like that was like their closing song of like we're letting this go.
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.400
Um, so I think it just has like so many meanings for like chapters, closing and stuff.
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:45.760
I think you know, we're talking about like a pure love song, is maybe not as resonant sometimes as like a heartbreak song, and I think again, it's that push and pull of like it's not easy necessarily, and like love does go through these like phases, and so I understand that.
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.559
I'm I'm on your side.
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:56.000
I also feel like some of those songs, if they're tied to certain moments or certain things, is easier to relate to than certain boys, than certain boys, yeah.
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.400
So you know who you are.
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.840
Yeah, I loved what you were saying about like the end of something can be the start of something new.
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:04.639
Do you know what I mean?
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:11.760
My my partner said the day his ex and him broke up was like one of the worst days of his life, and I was like, Well, it was a really good day for me.
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:17.360
You know, like thank god, thank god that happened because it freed up space for this to happen, right?
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:19.519
So there's there's love out there, yeah.
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:20.639
There's love out there for you.
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:22.480
For some of us.
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.480
This was a lovely episode.
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:26.400
We thank you so much, Brett, for joining us.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.039
Thanks for having me.
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:28.159
That's really fun.
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:29.440
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00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.639
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00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:31.039
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