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My understanding of it, it wasn't so much his statements that got the owner riled up.
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Um, because I was listening to one of the statements that they made and they and they discussed the imagery that put him showing on stage.
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Well, his statement, I don't think I think his statement was fine.
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It was measured.
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Perfect.
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Um, I don't know if this got on your radar at all in the past week, Spec, but uh, what you've been hearing about MacLamore and Ed Sharon.
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Yeah, I've heard about it.
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Ed Sharon had the big tour going down.
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Macklemore was one of his openers and decided on a show in New Jersey.
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I don't think that was the first show he did at that, but decided on a show in New Jersey that he, you know, wanted to address the the Israel-Palestine uh of it all.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Everything that's been going on in the world uh since that conflict has begun.
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Macklemore wanted to use us as a the stage as a platform to really just express how he feels, express how everything's been going down.
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And um what I don't know if you heard it.
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I thought it was actually pretty um measured, you know what I mean?
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I think I have a I think I actually do have a clip of a minute.
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Let me pull that up.
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I want those words to be loud and clear.
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So I say free Palestine.
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I say free liberty.
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What I like about what he did there was um he made the distinction that you can be critical of the Israeli government, critical of even uh Bibi Netanyahu.
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That's that's in no way uh an indictment on the people.
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On the on the Jewish people.
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Right.
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Not even just the people of Israel.
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Because we're talking about a choice a choice that the government's making, right?
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Like our government makes decisions that not everybody here approves or so.
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You can't even use as an indictment of the of the Israeli people, but I think what happens is it gets turned to an indictment of Jewish people as a whole in general.
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Um, and while that's very uh dangerous, because there is real anti-Semitism in the world, a ton of it.
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You know what I mean?
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Um it it so if anytime somebody speaks out against Israel and you try to turn that into anti-Semitism, I feel like it's not gonna be taken as serious when it really happens.
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And and and he he so and I think he was aware of that too.
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That's why he made that distinction with his with his comment.
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Um that's not how everybody took it, though.
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Uh NFL owner Robert Kraft, he owns the New England uh Patriots as well as um, I believe Gillette Stadium, where they play.
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Uh he did not uh wasn't a fan of what McLamore said.
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Said that he had objected to him uh performing at Gillette Stadium and rallied actual other stadium owners allegedly to oppose Macklemore going on tour.
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Um from what McLamore claims, Kraft said he won't perform at this stadium and then gave him a list of other stadiums owned by or controlled by NFL owners and said he won't perform there as well.
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That was left on their tour.
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Um I don't know if that's true or not.
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That's McLamore's claim.
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I don't know if uh Ed Sharon has confirmed uh that Kraft said that, but he definitely confirmed that he had conversations with uh Robert Kraft.
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Um eventually McLamore did, after Bellow back and forth, get taken off the tour, right?
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Uh told that, you know, you can't come.
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Uh the openers, I believe one of them is Phineas, who's Billy Eilish's brother, um, as well as the the other openers.
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They were like, well, we're if he's getting kicked off of this, then then we're not gonna be down with it either.
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Um the tour did, I think it's just at sharing now, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, from what I seen last night.
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But he's uh he's uh he has claimed he has a uh promise that he's going to continue the tour to honor the people who bought tickets and he's not gonna added uh you know, I'm not gonna disrespect y'all.
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Um plus he was the drawer.
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I don't know how many of those people were necessarily coming out because they were huge Macklemore fans.
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So if I don't know if this would stop you from going to it and sharing concert, but some people are like, yo, if you're gonna start censoring artists for their views and tell them that they can't be seen in certain places, that's a problem.
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It is.
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And the reason you know it's an issue because the same thing happened to Kanye, right?
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Ain't nobody hop on Kanye's side like, oh, y'all foul.
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He y'all ain't gonna let him perform at such and such stadium because he's because what Kanye said was wild.
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Right.
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So we can 100% see why you, if you have control over these entities, why you would it?
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It's a head scratch a little bit with the Macklemore thing because it seemed a little bit more measured.
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It also didn't seem as uh to have the vitriol that Kanye's thing did towards uh Jewish people.
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Yeah, my understanding of it, it wasn't so much his statements that got uh the owner, well say the owners or the owner riled up.
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Um, because I was listening to one of the statements that they made and they and they discussed the imagery that he was showing on stage, which I I have I have not seen.
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I haven't seen it yet because I haven't seen the video.
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So his statement, I don't think I think his statement was fine.
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It was measured, you know, he he spoke for both sides.
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Um but the imagery, I I I have no idea what was shown.
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Neither do I, and I but I've heard about the imagery.
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And I can only imagine what the imagery looks like.
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But do you think it was necessarily offensive to um it probably wasn't offensive, it probably was very graphic in terms of like the amount of violence that's happening out there.
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And it creates in Robert Kraft's mind, I believe, a disproportionate view of Israel.
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What is yeah, exactly, of what's occurring over there.
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But they gotta, I don't get why they keep tying Jewish people to Israel.
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I don't view that as one thing.
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It's technically not, yeah.
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But it's just it's no different than, you know, I mean, when we talk about Palestinians and Hamas, right?
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We know Hamas is a terrorist group, yeah, who, you know, a lot of them are Palestinians, but we don't view all Palestinians as Hamas.
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Well, I don't, yeah, but maybe Israel does, maybe, yeah.
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Certainly, I mean, they do, but when we talk about this, like these pro-Israel people, it's it's almost as if they view all Palestinians as Hamas, right?
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And, you know, Gaz people who live in Gaza, that's Hamas.
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Like they don't distinct, they don't um separate the terrorist group from the actual people.
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But that's to their but uh by doing that, if that's if that is how Israel feels, they're doing that to their own detriment, because you don't want to, you don't want Jewish people to all be viewed by the actions of Israel.
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And but we do the but we kind of it it's a bit hypocritical because we almost we do the same kind of thing like with cops.
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Like at the end of the day, we not all cops all bad all cops are bad, but the few bad apples will have us just screaming, oh fuck the police.
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Yeah, like screw like so or if you see a bunch of black people do a smash and grab, and that's what you saw on television, they're they're running into black people.
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You're gonna now think maybe all black people does do that, or um, which I which all of these are ignorant though, to stereotype the a group of people by the actions of some.
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And I think like what I think that that started from was like, yo, we're never gonna let the Holocaust happen again.
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We're never gonna let anything like that.
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And we know how it works through propaganda.
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So when people start talking this way, we have to shut it down immediately.
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Right.
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And what you're doing now is like that's not really helping the stereotype about you guys.
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Because if you're on my Twitter, which unfortunately is is is not the most um open-minded, you know what I mean?
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I don't know if anyone else is that because it's Twitter.
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So it's like, but it there the the stereotype of Jewish people are that they're this um small minority of people that have a lot of controlling power, and when they want to, they use that control for their own benefit.
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Right.
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That might be to the detriment of other people.
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But when you do things like this, it kind of looks like you're colluding, right?
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And it's like like so it's like you're speaking to the stereotype, and I I know that's not the stereotype.
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I grew up around Jewish people.
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I don't view Israel and Jewish people necessarily as one, you know what I mean?
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Um, it's like saying a Hasidic Jew in Brooklyn, right?
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I I'm blaming him for something BB Netanyahu has decided.
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That that's the equivalent of like somebody punching us in the face because of a comment Nelson Mandela made.
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Like if we're not connected to that in any way, shape, or form.
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Um, but when you try when you take it as like any language and anything, we're gonna react in this type of way.
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That's not, I don't think that's helping the points.
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You know what I mean?
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Um now, at least, uh let me see.
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It looks like the artist that said that they left uh in solidarity with Mac Lamora, Phineas, Lucas Graham, uh Bioga, and Aaron Rowe.
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Um Phineas, who I said is um Billy Irish's brother, explicitly spoke that artists shouldn't be silenced for speaking up uh for the oppressed and announced he would no longer participate it.
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Um and I think some of the other acts were Irish as well, and they have a kind of uh kindred spirit with the Palestinian people because they've been done wrong and they see a group of people getting done wrong.
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They're gonna um kind of come in in solidarity with that.
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Um Macklemore actually also announced that he would donate one one million dollars of his tour earnings to organizations supporting Palestine.
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He uh challenged Robert Kraft to match his donation, um, in which Robert Kraft said he'll he'll match his own uh donation with a two with a two million dollar humanitarian donation related to the crisis.
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Now, what does that mean?
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I have no idea.
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Two million dollars to Israel to keep going.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Like to win like when you're really vague with exactly who you're gonna donate this money to, it's like, well, are these seem like empty acts.
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Like, we'll just begin.
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Now, what I think should have been done, a conversation.
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Like that this could have this didn't have to go here.
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If you thought what he did was so bad, a conversation could have happened.
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Now, if I understand correctly, this isn't the first time McLamore did it.
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I don't believe he did it on every show, right?
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But I do believe this isn't the first time he's has done it, and I think he might have been spoken to the first time that he he did it.
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Um, I don't know if it was a do-it-again or else, or if it was just like, yo, killing the vibe.
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You know, Ed gotta come out after this, you know what I'm saying?
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You're showing dead kids on stage, and then he got to come out singing afterwards.
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Like, that that's not, you know, I mean, whatever the case may be, they had a conversation, he did it again.
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I don't, we don't know the imagery, but that at that point it's up to the promoters to be like, yo, you you're fucking up the money, bro.
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Like, the only press that's coming from there, I didn't know about the story until this happened.
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So, like, the only press is coming from it is not the best thing happening, it's not cool.
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It also didn't help that Ed Sharon was kind of like you know what I mean?
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You can only do that for so long, but when your name is the head name, and every time they talk about MacLabore, Robert Kraft, anti-Semitism, anything they have to say, Ed Sharing tour, it does start to look a little weird if you don't say anything.
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Now, he did make a statement last night, um, along the same lines of hey, I don't like to get into this.
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This doesn't help my business in any way, shape, or form to express my political views.
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And I also want this to be a place where people can come and have a good time and not and leave the outside world out.
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However, bad shit is bad shit.
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You know what I mean?
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Like if you see uh messed up things happening, and I you can also feel like October 7th was really bad, and also feel like the response has been a bit disproportionate.
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There's nothing, in his opinion, there's nothing wrong with doing that.
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And I I kind of agree with that too.
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And I feel like this is this was an opportunity where MacLaMore could have been sat in a room with the people who didn't agree with what he said and maybe spoken to, and they could have had a back and forth and go to.
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But this censorship, we're gonna shut shit down.
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This is it's it's very bad.
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It's it's like because it doesn't, it's a slippery slope.
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And it's like you see it now with the government, if I'm not mistaken.
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I think Donald Trump said that's why it's not going anywhere.
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I mean, it starts at the top.
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At the top, yeah, it's a trickle-down effect, yeah.
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But I think what they say, they're banning MS now, CNN, CNN, and political news organizations from the White House, so they just get no White House access.
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Um, which I actually don't, I think they're they're I've fighting legally and seeing if there's a constitutional um battle to doing that.
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But it's just like, but bro, you look, but it's it I guess when you don't even care about the optics of it, that's even it gets even more dangerous.
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Because I look at that and be like, well, you got something to hide.
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Right.
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Why wouldn't you want everybody there?
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Even if they differ from your opinion, you you should still want that to.
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I didn't trust you before, but this doesn't make me trust you even even more now.
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And unfortunately, probably some people are looking at Robert Kraft as a representation of Jewish people and saying, uh, I had my doubts before, and then you do something like this, you're just using your power when I'm gonna do it.
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It's not surprising, to be honest, you know.
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No, it's not, um, it really isn't.
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It's unfortunate, but and uh it what complicates it, and everything could be so black and white sometimes, but it's like they always do something to complicate things.
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And what complicates it is that um I'm just pull up this picture of Macklemore from a couple years back.
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You know any McLamore songs?
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No.
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Macklemore looks like in 2014 dressed up like this.
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Which isn't great, right?
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And he says, he claims this wasn't meant to be anti-Semitic.
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But however, there's really no explanation for it.
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He said he dressed up in a costume so he could sneak in with his band.
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It looks like white hump de hump to me.
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Mixed with like there's, I mean, there's obviously um anyone who knows Jewish stereotypes knows the big nose and things like that are used as caricatures.
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Right.
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Um so when you got that on your on your resume, but you're the guy waving the flag for free Palestine.
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Now, what was why why did he do this?
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If I was understanding correctly, it actually looks like he's doing the uh salute right there.
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Um he's if I heard the story correctly, he wanted a way to like kind of blend in with the crowd and then sneak in up on stage with his during a concert, and that was a costume that he kind of was walking around with.
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Okay.
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And then, but people saw it and were like automatically went to this seems anti-Semitic.
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There's something something's going on here.
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Now, if he thought that was funny, you know, I I mean, I'm sure then in some white circles, making fun of Jewish people is is a hilarious joke.
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So I like uh I it's funny.
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Um, but you know, you got it, there's two.
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You gotta take what comes with that.
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So now when you want to be the free Palestine activist guy, that's the first thing they're gonna pull up when they when they're like, we really supposed to trust this guy, it's supposed to be, you know what I mean?
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And it's like, yo, this could have been so simple if that, if he even had that scrub from the internet, man.
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But it's like, yeah, is is is once the the you open Pandora's box, you gotta take what comes with it.
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But no, I really do think it's dangerous, and just to put a bow on this, I think it's very dangerous for artists aren't allowed to express how they feel.
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I don't think venues, and this is part of Ed Sharing's statement too.
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He's like, I I perform all around this world.
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There's a lot of places I go where you can't perform in certain places because you said something.
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He's like, that ain't supposed to happen in the free world.
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And I agree with that 100%.
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Like, what are we what are we doing this for if we can't express how you feel?
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Peace.
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Peace.
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My understanding of it, it wasn't so much his statements that got the owner riled up.
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Um, because I was listening to one of the statements that they made and they and they discussed the imagery that put him showing on stage.
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Well, his statement, I don't think I think his statement was fine.
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It was measured.
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Perfect.
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Um, I don't know if this got on your radar at all in the past week, Spec, but uh, what you've been hearing about MacLamore and Ed Sharon.
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Yeah, I've heard about it.
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Ed Sharon had the big tour going down.
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Macklemore was one of his openers and decided on a show in New Jersey.
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I don't think that was the first show he did at that, but decided on a show in New Jersey that he, you know, wanted to address the the Israel-Palestine uh of it all.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Everything that's been going on in the world uh since that conflict has begun.
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Macklemore wanted to use us as a the stage as a platform to really just express how he feels, express how everything's been going down.
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And um what I don't know if you heard it.
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I thought it was actually pretty um measured, you know what I mean?
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I think I have a I think I actually do have a clip of a minute.
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Let me pull that up.
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I want those words to be loud and clear.
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So I say free Palestine.
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I say free liberty.
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What I like about what he did there was um he made the distinction that you can be critical of the Israeli government, critical of even uh Bibi Netanyahu.
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That's that's in no way uh an indictment on the people.
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On the on the Jewish people.
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Right.
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Not even just the people of Israel.
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Because we're talking about a choice a choice that the government's making, right?
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Like our government makes decisions that not everybody here approves or so.
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You can't even use as an indictment of the of the Israeli people, but I think what happens is it gets turned to an indictment of Jewish people as a whole in general.
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Um, and while that's very uh dangerous, because there is real anti-Semitism in the world, a ton of it.
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You know what I mean?
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Um it it so if anytime somebody speaks out against Israel and you try to turn that into anti-Semitism, I feel like it's not gonna be taken as serious when it really happens.
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And and and he he so and I think he was aware of that too.
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That's why he made that distinction with his with his comment.
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Um that's not how everybody took it, though.
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Uh NFL owner Robert Kraft, he owns the New England uh Patriots as well as um, I believe Gillette Stadium, where they play.
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Uh he did not uh wasn't a fan of what McLamore said.
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Said that he had objected to him uh performing at Gillette Stadium and rallied actual other stadium owners allegedly to oppose Macklemore going on tour.
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Um from what McLamore claims, Kraft said he won't perform at this stadium and then gave him a list of other stadiums owned by or controlled by NFL owners and said he won't perform there as well.
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That was left on their tour.
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Um I don't know if that's true or not.
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That's McLamore's claim.
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I don't know if uh Ed Sharon has confirmed uh that Kraft said that, but he definitely confirmed that he had conversations with uh Robert Kraft.
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Um eventually McLamore did, after Bellow back and forth, get taken off the tour, right?
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Uh told that, you know, you can't come.
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Uh the openers, I believe one of them is Phineas, who's Billy Eilish's brother, um, as well as the the other openers.
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They were like, well, we're if he's getting kicked off of this, then then we're not gonna be down with it either.
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Um the tour did, I think it's just at sharing now, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, from what I seen last night.
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But he's uh he's uh he has claimed he has a uh promise that he's going to continue the tour to honor the people who bought tickets and he's not gonna added uh you know, I'm not gonna disrespect y'all.
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Um plus he was the drawer.
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I don't know how many of those people were necessarily coming out because they were huge Macklemore fans.
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So if I don't know if this would stop you from going to it and sharing concert, but some people are like, yo, if you're gonna start censoring artists for their views and tell them that they can't be seen in certain places, that's a problem.
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It is.
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And the reason you know it's an issue because the same thing happened to Kanye, right?
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Ain't nobody hop on Kanye's side like, oh, y'all foul.
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He y'all ain't gonna let him perform at such and such stadium because he's because what Kanye said was wild.
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Right.
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So we can 100% see why you, if you have control over these entities, why you would it?
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It's a head scratch a little bit with the Macklemore thing because it seemed a little bit more measured.
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It also didn't seem as uh to have the vitriol that Kanye's thing did towards uh Jewish people.
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Yeah, my understanding of it, it wasn't so much his statements that got uh the owner, well say the owners or the owner riled up.
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Um, because I was listening to one of the statements that they made and they and they discussed the imagery that he was showing on stage, which I I have I have not seen.
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I haven't seen it yet because I haven't seen the video.
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So his statement, I don't think I think his statement was fine.
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It was measured, you know, he he spoke for both sides.
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Um but the imagery, I I I have no idea what was shown.
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Neither do I, and I but I've heard about the imagery.
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And I can only imagine what the imagery looks like.
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But do you think it was necessarily offensive to um it probably wasn't offensive, it probably was very graphic in terms of like the amount of violence that's happening out there.
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And it creates in Robert Kraft's mind, I believe, a disproportionate view of Israel.
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What is yeah, exactly, of what's occurring over there.
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But they gotta, I don't get why they keep tying Jewish people to Israel.
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I don't view that as one thing.
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It's technically not, yeah.
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But it's just it's no different than, you know, I mean, when we talk about Palestinians and Hamas, right?
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We know Hamas is a terrorist group, yeah, who, you know, a lot of them are Palestinians, but we don't view all Palestinians as Hamas.
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Well, I don't, yeah, but maybe Israel does, maybe, yeah.
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Certainly, I mean, they do, but when we talk about this, like these pro-Israel people, it's it's almost as if they view all Palestinians as Hamas, right?
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And, you know, Gaz people who live in Gaza, that's Hamas.
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Like they don't distinct, they don't um separate the terrorist group from the actual people.
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But that's to their but uh by doing that, if that's if that is how Israel feels, they're doing that to their own detriment, because you don't want to, you don't want Jewish people to all be viewed by the actions of Israel.
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And but we do the but we kind of it it's a bit hypocritical because we almost we do the same kind of thing like with cops.
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Like at the end of the day, we not all cops all bad all cops are bad, but the few bad apples will have us just screaming, oh fuck the police.
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Yeah, like screw like so or if you see a bunch of black people do a smash and grab, and that's what you saw on television, they're they're running into black people.
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You're gonna now think maybe all black people does do that, or um, which I which all of these are ignorant though, to stereotype the a group of people by the actions of some.
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And I think like what I think that that started from was like, yo, we're never gonna let the Holocaust happen again.
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We're never gonna let anything like that.
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And we know how it works through propaganda.
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So when people start talking this way, we have to shut it down immediately.
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Right.
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And what you're doing now is like that's not really helping the stereotype about you guys.
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Because if you're on my Twitter, which unfortunately is is is not the most um open-minded, you know what I mean?
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I don't know if anyone else is that because it's Twitter.
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So it's like, but it there the the stereotype of Jewish people are that they're this um small minority of people that have a lot of controlling power, and when they want to, they use that control for their own benefit.
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Right.
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That might be to the detriment of other people.
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But when you do things like this, it kind of looks like you're colluding, right?
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And it's like like so it's like you're speaking to the stereotype, and I I know that's not the stereotype.
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I grew up around Jewish people.
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I don't view Israel and Jewish people necessarily as one, you know what I mean?
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Um, it's like saying a Hasidic Jew in Brooklyn, right?
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I I'm blaming him for something BB Netanyahu has decided.
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That that's the equivalent of like somebody punching us in the face because of a comment Nelson Mandela made.
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Like if we're not connected to that in any way, shape, or form.
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Um, but when you try when you take it as like any language and anything, we're gonna react in this type of way.
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That's not, I don't think that's helping the points.
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You know what I mean?
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Um now, at least, uh let me see.
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It looks like the artist that said that they left uh in solidarity with Mac Lamora, Phineas, Lucas Graham, uh Bioga, and Aaron Rowe.
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Um Phineas, who I said is um Billy Irish's brother, explicitly spoke that artists shouldn't be silenced for speaking up uh for the oppressed and announced he would no longer participate it.
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Um and I think some of the other acts were Irish as well, and they have a kind of uh kindred spirit with the Palestinian people because they've been done wrong and they see a group of people getting done wrong.
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They're gonna um kind of come in in solidarity with that.
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Um Macklemore actually also announced that he would donate one one million dollars of his tour earnings to organizations supporting Palestine.
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He uh challenged Robert Kraft to match his donation, um, in which Robert Kraft said he'll he'll match his own uh donation with a two with a two million dollar humanitarian donation related to the crisis.
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Now, what does that mean?
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I have no idea.
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Two million dollars to Israel to keep going.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Like to win like when you're really vague with exactly who you're gonna donate this money to, it's like, well, are these seem like empty acts.
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Like, we'll just begin.
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Now, what I think should have been done, a conversation.
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Like that this could have this didn't have to go here.
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If you thought what he did was so bad, a conversation could have happened.
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Now, if I understand correctly, this isn't the first time McLamore did it.
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I don't believe he did it on every show, right?
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But I do believe this isn't the first time he's has done it, and I think he might have been spoken to the first time that he he did it.
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Um, I don't know if it was a do-it-again or else, or if it was just like, yo, killing the vibe.
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You know, Ed gotta come out after this, you know what I'm saying?
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You're showing dead kids on stage, and then he got to come out singing afterwards.
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Like, that that's not, you know, I mean, whatever the case may be, they had a conversation, he did it again.
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I don't, we don't know the imagery, but that at that point it's up to the promoters to be like, yo, you you're fucking up the money, bro.
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Like, the only press that's coming from there, I didn't know about the story until this happened.
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So, like, the only press is coming from it is not the best thing happening, it's not cool.
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It also didn't help that Ed Sharon was kind of like you know what I mean?
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You can only do that for so long, but when your name is the head name, and every time they talk about MacLabore, Robert Kraft, anti-Semitism, anything they have to say, Ed Sharing tour, it does start to look a little weird if you don't say anything.
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Now, he did make a statement last night, um, along the same lines of hey, I don't like to get into this.
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This doesn't help my business in any way, shape, or form to express my political views.
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And I also want this to be a place where people can come and have a good time and not and leave the outside world out.
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However, bad shit is bad shit.
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You know what I mean?
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Like if you see uh messed up things happening, and I you can also feel like October 7th was really bad, and also feel like the response has been a bit disproportionate.
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There's nothing, in his opinion, there's nothing wrong with doing that.
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And I I kind of agree with that too.
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And I feel like this is this was an opportunity where MacLaMore could have been sat in a room with the people who didn't agree with what he said and maybe spoken to, and they could have had a back and forth and go to.
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But this censorship, we're gonna shut shit down.
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This is it's it's very bad.
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It's it's like because it doesn't, it's a slippery slope.
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And it's like you see it now with the government, if I'm not mistaken.
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I think Donald Trump said that's why it's not going anywhere.
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I mean, it starts at the top.
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At the top, yeah, it's a trickle-down effect, yeah.
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But I think what they say, they're banning MS now, CNN, CNN, and political news organizations from the White House, so they just get no White House access.
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Um, which I actually don't, I think they're they're I've fighting legally and seeing if there's a constitutional um battle to doing that.
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But it's just like, but bro, you look, but it's it I guess when you don't even care about the optics of it, that's even it gets even more dangerous.
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Because I look at that and be like, well, you got something to hide.
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Right.
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Why wouldn't you want everybody there?
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Even if they differ from your opinion, you you should still want that to.
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I didn't trust you before, but this doesn't make me trust you even even more now.
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And unfortunately, probably some people are looking at Robert Kraft as a representation of Jewish people and saying, uh, I had my doubts before, and then you do something like this, you're just using your power when I'm gonna do it.
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It's not surprising, to be honest, you know.
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No, it's not, um, it really isn't.
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It's unfortunate, but and uh it what complicates it, and everything could be so black and white sometimes, but it's like they always do something to complicate things.
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And what complicates it is that um I'm just pull up this picture of Macklemore from a couple years back.
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You know any McLamore songs?
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No.
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Macklemore looks like in 2014 dressed up like this.
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Which isn't great, right?
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And he says, he claims this wasn't meant to be anti-Semitic.
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But however, there's really no explanation for it.
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He said he dressed up in a costume so he could sneak in with his band.
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It looks like white hump de hump to me.
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Mixed with like there's, I mean, there's obviously um anyone who knows Jewish stereotypes knows the big nose and things like that are used as caricatures.
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Right.
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Um so when you got that on your on your resume, but you're the guy waving the flag for free Palestine.
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Now, what was why why did he do this?
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If I was understanding correctly, it actually looks like he's doing the uh salute right there.
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Um he's if I heard the story correctly, he wanted a way to like kind of blend in with the crowd and then sneak in up on stage with his during a concert, and that was a costume that he kind of was walking around with.
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Okay.
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And then, but people saw it and were like automatically went to this seems anti-Semitic.
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There's something something's going on here.
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Now, if he thought that was funny, you know, I I mean, I'm sure then in some white circles, making fun of Jewish people is is a hilarious joke.
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So I like uh I it's funny.
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Um, but you know, you got it, there's two.
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You gotta take what comes with that.
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So now when you want to be the free Palestine activist guy, that's the first thing they're gonna pull up when they when they're like, we really supposed to trust this guy, it's supposed to be, you know what I mean?
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And it's like, yo, this could have been so simple if that, if he even had that scrub from the internet, man.
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But it's like, yeah, is is is once the the you open Pandora's box, you gotta take what comes with it.
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But no, I really do think it's dangerous, and just to put a bow on this, I think it's very dangerous for artists aren't allowed to express how they feel.
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I don't think venues, and this is part of Ed Sharing's statement too.
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He's like, I I perform all around this world.
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There's a lot of places I go where you can't perform in certain places because you said something.
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He's like, that ain't supposed to happen in the free world.
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And I agree with that 100%.
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Like, what are we what are we doing this for if we can't express how you feel?
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