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Naomie Amzallag Halioua spent years training to become a technical specialist - then watched AI make that specialization nearly worthless overnight.
As co-founder and CEO of Cleo Labs, she's building an AI-powered product compliance company in a world where technical skill alone is no longer a moat. In this episode, she explains why she believes generalists - not specialists - will win the next decade, why human judgment is now the only real competitive advantage, and why Cleo walked away from a profitable product that nobody actually used.
We also get into:
• Why AI is quietly making deep technical training less valuable
• The difference between using AI and thinking with it
• How Cleo found a problem worth solving after abandoning one that wasn't
• Building a company (and a family) without waiting for the "right" moment
• What confidence actually requires - and where it comes from
If you've ever wondered whether your hard-won expertise still matters, this conversation will change how you think about it.
Naomie Halioua is the technical co-founder of Cleo Labs, a Paris-based startup that uses AI to help brands sell their products around the world without getting blocked by regulation. She's a Polytechnique-trained engineer, and she built the multi-agent architecture behind the product. Before Cleo, she co-founded Women in Web3, Europe's largest community for women in Web3. Cleo raised a 1.5 million euro pre-seed and counts Decathlon among its clients.
Connect with Naomie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomiehalioua/
Hosted by Zivi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zivileeinikyte/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Naomie's Journey
02:03 Pregnancy and Fundraising: Naomie's Experience
04:15 Role Models and Inspiration for Women in Tech
05:34 Naomie's Background in Web3 and Community Building
08:12 Pivot from AI Education to Product Compliance
13:34 How Naomie Onboards Clients for Compliance
15:45 Human in the Loop as a Competitive Advantage
17:06 Risks and Perceptions of AI Usage
20:14 Evolving Workflows and Team Skills in AI Era
21:50 Hiring for Technical and Legal Expertise
23:35 Learning and Adapting to AI Tools
25:54 Bridging the Educational Gap in AI Skills
27:31 Community Building and Support for Women
31:21 Starting the Day with Positivity and Purpose
33:24 Final Thoughts: The Power of Now and Self-Bermission
