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Good afternoon or morning, Carlos Figaroa, Mike Hammer here.
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How are you?
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I'm doing really well.
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It's fun to be back on the bench with you, Mike.
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You see, I changed the intro just for now.
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Just once.
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That's okay.
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I love it.
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You go keep going.
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Go get him.
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Hiya, Ben.
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How you doing?
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What do you know?
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I'm good.
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I'm good.
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I'm getting ready here for a nice warm 4th of July.
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Happy America 250.
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I've actually been doing some research.
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I've been trying to find.
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And I remember obscure things, but I was trying to find in 1976, our great nation celebrated our bicentennial.
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And I, being in fourth grade, and I think it was because it was on the student council, but I got to be part of the group that painted a huge mural that was in the lunchroom at Elliott Elementary School at St.
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Louis Park, Elliot Eagle for Life.
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So there was a Sun Sailor.
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That was our local paper.
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There was a Sun Sailor story on it, and one of our classmates, a year ahead of us, Ted Winder, posted that many a decade ago.
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And I've been trying to find it and I can't find it.
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That's what I did 50 years ago.
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I'll reach out to Ted and see if he can re find it.
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All right, cool.
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That's the thing is like I don't need a Rolodex, I just need to ask you.
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Oh you know everybody.
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I I know that you got some life and family things that have been thrown at you here, but do you have any plans for the fourth?
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I don't know.
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It seems to be a different spirit of America, but most people are just going, let's just go with the great nation, 250, celebrate it for what it's given us and I'm I don't really need that big an excuse to celebrate.
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That's great.
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It's a holiday.
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Let's have a beer, let's have some fun, let's watch some fireworks, let's do a little ooh-a.
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To me, I don't need to carry any greater significance for it because I just I'm sick of fighting and I'm sick of arguing.
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And so I I can enjoy a day off and not have it mean anything other than I'm enjoying a day off.
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And it works good because it's a weekend, so people don't have to scurry around or everybody try to get off work or whatever.
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And it I know we'll get into the dogs, but uh have one that's just these are the worst two weeks of her life every year.
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She's just masturbation, fireworks and she freaks and thunderstorms and this.
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And I'm like, I don't know, why don't she just hide in the closet today in about a week or a bench?
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Is that hide for two weeks?
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Is that copper?
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Oh no, copper, he's oblivious, he's whatever.
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The sasha she's got and I get it.
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It hits her nervous system.
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And and I know when we were young, it was you might have got some firecrackers or bottle rockets, but they didn't start five days before and go after first of all, fireworks were forbidden, right?
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If you could get until one of the things that we've looked at and we've analyzed our life growing up was how the world got bigger as we got older.
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And to me, fireworks weren't a real thing until we were old enough to be able to drive to Wisconsin, and then okay, now fireworks are a thing, and it's not that big at all.
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It's a half-hour car drive, it's not impossible.
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Yeah, Wisconsin are the weird law.
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You could go there and buy it, but if you're Wisconsin resident, you couldn't.
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And you take away them off there.
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But we used to have huge July 3rd parties, and we'd at least a thousand dollars worth of fireworks that were lighting off, and they they got bigger for personal use, they got bigger and louder and higher and brighter, and they go on for a quite a while before and after the fourth.
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But well, it's now fun that a lot of communities were rather than how are we gonna celebrate, it's like how are we gonna afford it?
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Who's gonna pay for it?
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Or Pamps is up in Osakis, and apparently everything's gotten changed because the place that has always done it's like now we want 2500 bucks because of our costs and everything else, and it's it's expensive to do.
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That's messy, but it's also fun.
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It's like we're gonna get rid of all of the fun, expensive stuff.
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You know what I mean?
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It's I don't know.
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It just seems like something gets lost when communities can't have a celebration via fireworks.
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And once again, you can do that without going into things in history that you didn't like or you're unhappy about this and that.
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You can just say it's a celebration.
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And we had a pretty good spot, and back when our world just was Santos Park, we really didn't know of fireworks anywhere else.
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We were lucky.
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We had a good spot.
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We grew up with a place, and now they're now it's like, where do you want to go watch the fireworks?
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If you go out and you you're not in a low-lying valley, you could probably see fireworks every direction.
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Honestly, I gotta tell you, when I was a little kid, that that hill in Aquila where you would watch the fireworks was like massive.
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Right now you look at it, it's like it's really not that impressive a hill.
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But back then it was like, oh my god, the whole world is here.
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And then did you ever chase after the because one of the things they would shoot a guy in a parachute that would come down?
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Oh, yeah.
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Did you ever get the parachute guy?
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I know I tried to get him, but I never did.
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Not a real guy.
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No, I know it's not Super Dave Os.
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It's like a it's like a plastic army.
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Yeah, like an army guy.
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Yep, I do.
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I was being funny.
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Also, if they started shooting humans out of cannons, it might increase the attendance at Porctacular.
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Yeah, that I was there not too well, probably a dozen years ago now, and it's still biggest ever, but yeah, they're cool.
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Uh they yeah, we'll we'll figure out something to do.
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I know I'm gonna we'll dive into because with the humidity it kind of feels like the uh dog day afternoons.
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The dog, and you know, the thing about that is right now, I think if they held the vote in your house, humans would get outvoted by canines.
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We we have just as many dogs as people here.
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We've got a we've got a four-spot.
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Yeah, and but it's funny, dog day afternoons was because of starting the 1800s.
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Oh how the heat would affect the dogs.
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Really?
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And they used to turn they would whatever, but yeah, the heat and the dogs and the lazy, because most of the dogs lived outside and there wasn't air conditioning way back then.
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They're like, as much as they sleep normally, they're like, we'll just sleep longer.
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And if we sleep long enough, this will go away.
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But I just reminded of a joke, and then we're gonna talk about dogs, and I'm I am thrilled that you just did research, but I just thought of a joke that doesn't really fit, but I want to tell it.
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Can I tell it?
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Tell it, tell it, please do.
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This is a song or a song, a joke I heard told by Cheech Marin.
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And it's going, There's this guy, old man on a porch.
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He's got his donkey tied to the porch, and the guy says, Hey, do you know what time it is?
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And the old man, he's lying, he's got his hat down over his head, and he reaches over and he grabs with his right hand the donkey's testicles, and he lifts them up and puts them down and lifts them up and puts them down.
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So it's 345.
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And the stranger says, That's amazing.
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How can you tell the time by by grabbing onto the donkey's balls?
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He goes, first thing you grab it, then you lift it up, and then you see that clock over there?
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Didn't fit, but I just love that joke.
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And I just when you said dog day afternoon, it went off.
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But Chong does a funny Chong does a funny skit about being a dog and a dog doing his doobie and a look on his face.
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But yeah, that's funny.
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Yeah, no, I yeah, getting into the dog day afternoons, and and there was a film uh about it, and then there was a song by it.
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And but talk touching on suburban dogs, we grew up, we've we both had a long history with dogs, and I think a lot of people do.
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I think a lot of people, you know, small world, you extrapolate from what you experience, right?
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So we were dog people, we were not cat people, we were dog people.
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I'm now a cat person because I like cats, I like dogs, I like all animals.
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I'm a firm believer in what Lord Byron said, which is the more people I meet, the more I love my dog.
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Yeah, there's two things.
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One, the new exuberant brand new dog people, and they're like, dogs love me.
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And as a comedian said, that's because people don't.
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And I wanted to say, Oh, I'm a dog person.
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What's a dog person mean?
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You look kind of shaggy.
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I don't know.
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Put it this way if you have a dog person, somebody says, Oh my god, you let your dog on the bed, and I'm like, I'd let my dog borrow my car if he asked.
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Yeah, he could drive around if he could to figure out how to have thumbs and you know the empty and or the old movie with Tim Allen and it uh not Shaggy D D, but the red dog of Clifford?
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No, it was Tim Allen, he turns into a dog.
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But I'll say to my son sometimes when we look out the window.
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He's looking out the window and sees his big grass field, and he goes to his kids because his kids didn't know it then, he but he got bit by somebody, he turned into a dog, and then he turned back into dad.
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And he goes, When you see that that big grass field, don't you just want to run?
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And he's the kid's like, What is wrong with you?
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But whenever we get to the dog park, you hope you let them in, and they just my my one just runs gone.
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I where are you going?
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I don't know, but I gotta go.
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So I you saw my dog situation in St.
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Louis Park when I was really little, like two or three, my parents had a couple of golden retrievers, Mickey and Dobie.
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Yeah.
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And uh one died, one got hit by a car, one ran off.
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And so sadly, we didn't have any dogs in my house.
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I just vague recollection of these dogs, but then Well, I was gonna say that you didn't remember.
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Then we started getting poodles, and so then I can't I can't ever forget the Maria going, Gabby, Mickey, because they would run around the side of the garage into the backyard.
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Yeah, and and it's funny, you'd close the gate sometimes, but then you'd open it to let them run in.
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And I'm like, they're not running anywhere from the backyard to air conditioning.
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Yep.
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Exactly, because you know why?
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It was probably one of those dog days of summer.
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Yeah, yeah, boom, boom.
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But yeah, I remember the your two dogs, and your dad would sit in the Barker Lounger, each from one on each side, and he'd want he'd watch the twins again.
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That's a tremendous memory.
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That's exactly how it was.
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And so we had a couple, we had we had a couple poodles, but when it time it got to Gambit and then Mickey, they would each have their side too.
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And sometimes Gambit would try to go in Mickey's side, and she'd like, nope, she'd back right into him and gone.
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So he had good.
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Those were indoor dogs, right?
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Yes, they were indoor dogs.
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When I grew up, I so I never had the experience of taking the dog for a walk or dog park or anything like that when I was growing up.
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We didn't have dog parks.
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My first memory when I was born, we had a dog, a golden retriever named Rip, and he was around till six, seven years old for me.
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And I remember the I remember when he got old and he loved it outside, and he stayed out there most of the time.
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He had a big insulated dog house, and he didn't want to be inside, but he was outside and he was a great dog.
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He would just never eat.
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Is that dog?
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Because you you had in your backyard or your house there on Hampshire Avenue in St.
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Louis Park, you had a little kennel built kind of up in the garage.
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Was that for that dog, or was this something?
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That was that dog, the kennel and the doghouse in there, and yes, that's that's was his kennel, and we used to climb and even had a roof on half of it, and uh he but he was I remember when the decision had to be made because he couldn't live anymore.
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And I remember because it was the summer Olympics were going on, and my mom came back after she had to do it because my dad was too torn up and I remember when we were tearing up, you're like, oh that was kind of like the first real close thing.
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I remember my grandpa died a few years earlier, but I didn't see him all that much, it wasn't real close, and no experiencing something gone from your everyday life.
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And dogs were my first experience with death as well as a kid, understanding it, right?
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I'm sure I had older relatives, like great-grandparents died or whatever, and it's like it doesn't register, but a dog who's in your house all the time, you notice when they're gone.
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Yeah, there was just a visiting my girl girlfriend down in Denver, and on her table was uh the the New Yorker magazine.
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There's a small little leaflet, and then it was an article about why is it so much harder when dogs die?
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And the gist of it was when a person dies, there is a grieving process and a gathering and kind of a celebration or whatever, a funeral, a shiva, uh, whatever you want to do, to send the person off.
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When a dog dies, you really don't invite a bunch of people over, it's just gone, and there wasn't there's not a lot of closure for it.
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And my closure has always been to let's go get another one, and it it becomes that part where, like, I'm gonna wait for what are you waiting for?
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Your dog would tell you.
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My thought is the dog that just passed would say, you know what, you were a great owner, or you guys were a great family.
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Go find another dog to experience what I experienced for eight, ten, twelve years.
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Go, go, go.
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This is actually getting really deep, but human beings have a very difficult time, and everybody deals with the thought of death differently.
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It's it's just it's like something's gone that was there.
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Yeah.
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And this is actually something I always say when I watch far too many crime shows.
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It always bugs me that when the police have as a sign of guilt of how they behaved after and it's like you can't judge human beings based on how they behave when someone dies, with one exception.
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If it's your friend or your family, you just show up.
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Just be there.
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Yeah.
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Just be there.
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But if it's your parent or your loved one, at that point or your kid, at that point, it's all bets are off in terms of how you deal with it.
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I thought whatever gets you from today to tonight, to from tonight to tomorrow.
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I just I can't imagine that level of of sadness.
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Just dealing with elderly parents passing away is hard enough where you know they've experienced a wonderful life and they've got memories, but when it comes to death, what you're missing is not it's selfish.
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It is what we are experiencing as loss is our loss.
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Yep.
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We miss having this animal, we miss having this human being in our life, and it hurts us to not have them there.
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Yeah, and the hard part, the one of the harder parts is it's the last year or so with the dog, if your dog lives out their life, yeah, it's not the same as the last few years with a close relative, because you really they don't know anything but to survive, and they don't have a choice.
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You can't sit there and they can't explain their symptoms, they can't no, and you can't you can sit there and tell them it's okay to go, and they're like, Well, what?
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Just feed until the end, and I've been lucky that was the only dog I had to put down.
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The rest have uh just something came up, cancer or something weird, and they just died, and and it's I've had to do it with elderly dogs, and it's just it sucks.
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But you that was part of the article was like you usually know when it's time.
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Yeah, part of this article actually what's sad is and this once again, this just turned deep as all get out, but yeah, you we're actually in a certain sense more humane with dogs than we are with people.
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Where it's like, you know, we're able to say it's time, they're suffering, and we're not able, and I get it, because no one wants to pull the plug on grandma, right?
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But there comes we've dealt with it.
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There comes a point in time when quality of life, at this point, them being alive is for you and not for them.
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Yeah, and you don't have the you don't have the heart to do it because it's you know it's not when you go to a vet and the vet's gonna say, We'll charge you a hundred dollars to say, I don't know, do what you want to do.
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But the part of that article I forgot that article I was just talking about was the hard part, the guilt we have is because this is the dog that that you're the whole their whole, you know, a dog's part, a dog's part of your world.
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Yep.
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So a dog, you're the whole world.
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And you get them in the car and you're going and the dog's okay, and they go to the vet, they go, Okay, we're going here, we've been here before, but then we get to go home and have a treat, right?
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And you can't tell them this trip, dude.
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I'm gonna break out in tears here, man.
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You're not coming back.
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So you betray this thing that loved you unconditionally with nothing but yeah, but that's why I say get another dog and and find the joy there.
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But it's like sometimes it takes time, sometimes it takes time, you need to be ready.
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You can't just because to me, it feels like if you just automatically just get a new dog right away, it almost feels like it's hard not to think of it as a replacement.
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And you don't replace you don't replace pets, you just have a new source of love.
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But yeah, to me, the memories are still there and still.
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They are, they exist forever, and you're right.
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It's just it everybody processes it different.
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I get that.
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For me, it's like I need the voice.
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You really are not a trans you don't believe in transitional time, as I'm gonna tell a little story out of school here, but I believe that this was before you were married, that you broke up with a long-term serious girlfriend and then met your future wife right away.
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You didn't even give yourself any kind of uh buffer, transitional, no, you just went from one to the other.
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Yeah, same day, yeah.
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But go ahead.
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Same day.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead, call her.
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No, but what I'm saying is, so it's like going to you don't believe in transitional animals, you don't believe in transitional animals.
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But I would say a lot of times the dog thing didn't I didn't go out and run and get a dog.
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It seemed like another one landed in my lap.
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And most of my I've only bought I've only just like your future wife, kind of just ended up in your lap.
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Yeah.
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I most of the dogs just I've only went out and purchased one dog.
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The rest were kind of like basically kind of uh ended up on the doorstep, and you're like, come on, here's a bowl, here we go, have fun.
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And whether Windsor, who somebody saw a car a count a county road out in the country, car pull over, Windsor and Cosmo were such good dogs.
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They were but somebody opened the door, threw this little puppy out, and these two girls, these two girls I knew that was in college with, they went and picked up the puppy, but they couldn't they were in an apartment, they couldn't keep it, and I was in a house at college, and I was like, and I had one more summer there.
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I'm like, I'll take her.
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And we went, we didn't have a leash, we shared a pizza.
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Every day that was our meal, we shared a pizza.
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That's how we fed.
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She would go to class with me, lay under my desk until somebody did this whole I'm allergic and it's affecting me.
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You know what?
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Is always somebody.
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But that was just like you open the door, the dog gets in the dog.
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Kind of like Mr.
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Bojangles and Clint Eastwood when he just called the dog and the dog followed him around.
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But you just it's you they just they come into your life for a reason, I think, and they stay there for a reason.
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I don't get the anti I get it.
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Listen, if people don't clean up the poop of their pets, fuck that that's on them, right?
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That is not acceptable.
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But there's so many people that are like anti-dog, and then it's there are dogs biting people all the time.
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I think of an example back when you used to live near the lakes.
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Didn't you get a ticket for your dog swimming in Lake Harriet or something?
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Yeah, they tried to give us a while.
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Dude, dude, it's a lake, it's a dog.
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What's the problem here?
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Yeah, my dog, Cosmo and Windsor, they'd go out and they'd chase the ducks and geese, and they'd never catch them because the ducks and geese would taunt them.
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Yeah, and they'd get their workout and their energy and rollerblade down there, let them loose and whatever.
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But yeah, people they talk about, and yes, you gotta clean up after your dog, but you know, who's cleaning up after the geese?
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Yeah, cleaning them up after the deer.
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There are they're critters.
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We have critters in society here, and they're some of the fun ones.
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And but some people, and I guess you had a bad experience, or if you didn't grow up around them, yeah, this and that.
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But you know, have legitimate fear of dogs or have had incidents.
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Well, back like this, somebody goes, I don't like dogs, and I'm like, they probably don't like you either.
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Because the thing is, in in 1984, let's say, if you'd have said dog park, they'd be like going, It's a park, it's for everybody.
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1015, why do you have to call it a dog park?
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We have lots of parks.
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Take your dog.
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Yeah.
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Considering 1015.
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I think I lost your audio there, buddy.
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Or you can if you bring your dog there and your dog doesn't like other dogs, you shouldn't be there, but they're gonna wrestle, they're going to run them off leash, which is one of the keys.
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We grew up, and I know this just because a lot of dogs just you open your door and you let them outside, and then they knew where the food was, they came back, and you knew the neighborhoods, you knew the dogs in the neighborhood because they kind of roam around.
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And if somebody had a bad dog, obviously that dog wasn't around long, but most dogs are good.
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They want to be petted, they want to uh be fed up.
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They want to be able to sleep.
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And you know what?
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And if we could not have stuff exploding in the air for a couple of weeks, that'd be good too.
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Yes, the uh but the or if they don't use them for tests like that place in Wisconsin that got shut down with all the beagles.
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Oh the farm uh the whatever experiments they were doing on them, and hundreds of beagles got rescued.
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And but yeah, the yeah, the dog I brought home when I was 13 in one of those Well, that's right.
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You told that story, weren't you with the Jolly Troll or something?
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No, that Baskin Robbins over uh Texas.
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And I took it home in one of the big ice cream pails, and unfortunately that dog could jump.
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He was he was jumped a fence five feet high, and he could back for the most part but after a couple years I don't know either somebody got a really nice dog big black Irish setter or I don't want to think about the other possibilities but that was before dogs were that was before dogs were chipped.
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Yeah and um and back when I was 14 I wasn't going out to find a way to get uh dog tag and work for it you would you would just say okay you're okay now you're like and I've had my dogs run a bit when I was when I relocate in Somerset and they would take off and they'd get a phone call I'm like and I had saus of the little pug wiener dog mix and then I had a lab and I'm like how did you guys get five miles away with her with her tiny legs on the butt there's a number of looking for your dog stories and we just I just drove back from Colorado with two of the four that are here Bob Marley and Willow.
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Bob Marley's a big gray lab who everybody thinks is a Weimariner but no he's a big 120 pound gray lab reminds me of Cosmo because Cosmo is always north of 100 and then Willow is a white lab and Bob is just chill as the day is long and Willow's Willow's I love that you have a dog named Bob Bob Marley.
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That's Annie's dog Bob Marley I actually had I feel and I labs are my favorite dog I've ever had I would if I would need to have space for them to run around you know what I mean but I had 30 years ago Axel and Rose two black lab the other one was a black lab uh Rottweiler mix and they were the best and I felt like I got good names on them Axel and Rose.
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Yep yeah they we went and picked up the two dogs brought them back up here from Colorado for summer camp as we're saying summer camp well it's good it's good for them to have camp together yep yeah they don't know they're like as long as we can sleep which we sleep on the floor so that's pretty easy but we took them to the Black Hills and wandering around there for a while travelers what one is the other one's always well where am I going?
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I don't know and I'm like well you don't have a say you didn't get a vote you don't have a say get in the car I'm gonna mention my last dog that we had here who sadly died three years ago Max Max loved there was nothing Max loved more than having his head out the car window.
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Yeah that made him so damn happy so happy yeah he liked to have it on both sides because he's okay I want my head out okay I want my head out this one I want my head out this one and what do you see when you see a dog's head out the window look at that puppy pure joy is what you look at a puppy yeah somebody's cleaning up after you buddy but I don't know they're they give you you go home and you're gonna get you're gonna get a great reception when you get home every time what do they say is dogs give you some of the best days of your life and one of the worst yep yep but I say if you love dogs you're gonna see a lot coming once again if you want to live your life without ever having to experience negative feelings or hurt you're gonna be the boy in the plastic bubble right yeah and it's a lot easier to because if you gotta travel and you have dogs you have to make arrangements.
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And it's a lot easier now they have doggy daycare doggy stay and cattle your dog and there's an app for that Mike yep and there's Rover my daughter's done Rover here where we take dogs into our inn here and have them for a couple days or a day you already got the hammer hotel experience.
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We have the dog hammer dog hotel so we we rover we do it's I don't know they're just they're just they make you make life better from in my opinion I firmly believe that and I will I'll do a shout out to my two kittens Bubba and Tiny because they're awesome as well when I was a dog person had never experienced cats I'm like yes I'm a dog person not a cat person but I think all of the animals in the world are awesome and way better than most people.
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When we were growing up we had cats too because Michelle sister Michelle dear sister Michelle brought home a cat one day and uh did I tell you the story about the cat and the bird you you did not unless you're gonna do a Looney Tunes cartoon.
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I was that but the ending wasn't a cartoon uh my sister had a boyfriend and he got her she had a cat and the cat was cool and he bought her a bird a parakeet a parakeet and at one point we were sitting there in a room and he pulls out the bird and he's gonna make the bird and the cat get to know each other.
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Oh boy and he's holding the bird in his hand and the cat's there in one fell swoop that cat that bird didn't have a fully attached head anymore and I'm looking at him and I'm like 15 or 16 looking at him because yeah it was and I'm like going I cannot believe what I just saw you thought this was gonna end well and he's like he's I'm looking at him he's like now what do I do?
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I'm like I don't know get rid of the evidence eat it put it in your mouth and see a feather sticking out but yeah it yeah they don't want to be friends.
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It's hard enough to get cats and dogs to get along at times but I like the cats that sit there and give the old one two to the bigger dogs.
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The dog will come up and the cat go boom boom one two get away from me and the dogs what is that we have to see some pretty decent boxing.
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Yeah and you see the videos now with the little cat freaks the big dog all the time oh my god the dog's side eyeing the cat trying to walk around the cat would move and the dog I can't get down the stairs the cat won't let me like dude ten times bigger than the cat he's I'm not gonna do it I'm freaked out but this has been another fun episode on the bench it has been a good we didn't get all to all my dog stories we will have to do pets part two because Windsor we've talked about a few times yeah when I wanted to send Windsor off to the Great Abyss you and Chuck showed up it was December we dug a hole you guys brought a bottle of Windsor's you guys showed up my door and I remember because I had to work the night that he she got dying waited and he showed up we buried her a guy that used to come into the bar was uh he would make ornaments and statues out of copper and he made a nice in-the-ground headstone and that's so sweet it was it was good but yeah dogs are cool we'll pick this up again because uh yeah I got some more pet stories I could share some some stories of Axel and Rose running around the neighborhood and my poor little four foot eleven mom chasing after him funny yeah the old yelling for him uh cool all right buddy all right you know what you everybody out there and everybody going to a quilla for the fireworks shout out uh still the best fireworks I've ever seen and uh you be good and we'll do the bench again and talk about more fuss stuff all right buddy hammering Carlos out watching all the world go by now underneath the hazy sky now got my ticket for the long ride yeah from my park bench perspective got that wide eyed view on light my park bench perspective helping me to win the fight
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Good afternoon or morning, Carlos Figaroa, Mike Hammer here.
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How are you?
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I'm doing really well.
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It's fun to be back on the bench with you, Mike.
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You see, I changed the intro just for now.
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Just once.
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That's okay.
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I love it.
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You go keep going.
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Go get him.
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Hiya, Ben.
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How you doing?
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What do you know?
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I'm good.
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I'm good.
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I'm getting ready here for a nice warm 4th of July.
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Happy America 250.
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I've actually been doing some research.
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I've been trying to find.
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And I remember obscure things, but I was trying to find in 1976, our great nation celebrated our bicentennial.
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And I, being in fourth grade, and I think it was because it was on the student council, but I got to be part of the group that painted a huge mural that was in the lunchroom at Elliott Elementary School at St.
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Louis Park, Elliot Eagle for Life.
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So there was a Sun Sailor.
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That was our local paper.
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There was a Sun Sailor story on it, and one of our classmates, a year ahead of us, Ted Winder, posted that many a decade ago.
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And I've been trying to find it and I can't find it.
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That's what I did 50 years ago.
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I'll reach out to Ted and see if he can re find it.
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All right, cool.
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That's the thing is like I don't need a Rolodex, I just need to ask you.
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Oh you know everybody.
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I I know that you got some life and family things that have been thrown at you here, but do you have any plans for the fourth?
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I don't know.
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It seems to be a different spirit of America, but most people are just going, let's just go with the great nation, 250, celebrate it for what it's given us and I'm I don't really need that big an excuse to celebrate.
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That's great.
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It's a holiday.
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Let's have a beer, let's have some fun, let's watch some fireworks, let's do a little ooh-a.
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To me, I don't need to carry any greater significance for it because I just I'm sick of fighting and I'm sick of arguing.
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And so I I can enjoy a day off and not have it mean anything other than I'm enjoying a day off.
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And it works good because it's a weekend, so people don't have to scurry around or everybody try to get off work or whatever.
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And it I know we'll get into the dogs, but uh have one that's just these are the worst two weeks of her life every year.
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She's just masturbation, fireworks and she freaks and thunderstorms and this.
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And I'm like, I don't know, why don't she just hide in the closet today in about a week or a bench?
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Is that hide for two weeks?
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Is that copper?
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Oh no, copper, he's oblivious, he's whatever.
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The sasha she's got and I get it.
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It hits her nervous system.
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And and I know when we were young, it was you might have got some firecrackers or bottle rockets, but they didn't start five days before and go after first of all, fireworks were forbidden, right?
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If you could get until one of the things that we've looked at and we've analyzed our life growing up was how the world got bigger as we got older.
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And to me, fireworks weren't a real thing until we were old enough to be able to drive to Wisconsin, and then okay, now fireworks are a thing, and it's not that big at all.
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It's a half-hour car drive, it's not impossible.
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Yeah, Wisconsin are the weird law.
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You could go there and buy it, but if you're Wisconsin resident, you couldn't.
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And you take away them off there.
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But we used to have huge July 3rd parties, and we'd at least a thousand dollars worth of fireworks that were lighting off, and they they got bigger for personal use, they got bigger and louder and higher and brighter, and they go on for a quite a while before and after the fourth.
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But well, it's now fun that a lot of communities were rather than how are we gonna celebrate, it's like how are we gonna afford it?
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Who's gonna pay for it?
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Or Pamps is up in Osakis, and apparently everything's gotten changed because the place that has always done it's like now we want 2500 bucks because of our costs and everything else, and it's it's expensive to do.
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That's messy, but it's also fun.
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It's like we're gonna get rid of all of the fun, expensive stuff.
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You know what I mean?
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It's I don't know.
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It just seems like something gets lost when communities can't have a celebration via fireworks.
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And once again, you can do that without going into things in history that you didn't like or you're unhappy about this and that.
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You can just say it's a celebration.
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And we had a pretty good spot, and back when our world just was Santos Park, we really didn't know of fireworks anywhere else.
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We were lucky.
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We had a good spot.
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We grew up with a place, and now they're now it's like, where do you want to go watch the fireworks?
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If you go out and you you're not in a low-lying valley, you could probably see fireworks every direction.
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Honestly, I gotta tell you, when I was a little kid, that that hill in Aquila where you would watch the fireworks was like massive.
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Right now you look at it, it's like it's really not that impressive a hill.
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But back then it was like, oh my god, the whole world is here.
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And then did you ever chase after the because one of the things they would shoot a guy in a parachute that would come down?
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Oh, yeah.
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Did you ever get the parachute guy?
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I know I tried to get him, but I never did.
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Not a real guy.
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No, I know it's not Super Dave Os.
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It's like a it's like a plastic army.
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Yeah, like an army guy.
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Yep, I do.
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I was being funny.
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Also, if they started shooting humans out of cannons, it might increase the attendance at Porctacular.
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Yeah, that I was there not too well, probably a dozen years ago now, and it's still biggest ever, but yeah, they're cool.
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Uh they yeah, we'll we'll figure out something to do.
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I know I'm gonna we'll dive into because with the humidity it kind of feels like the uh dog day afternoons.
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The dog, and you know, the thing about that is right now, I think if they held the vote in your house, humans would get outvoted by canines.
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We we have just as many dogs as people here.
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We've got a we've got a four-spot.
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Yeah, and but it's funny, dog day afternoons was because of starting the 1800s.
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Oh how the heat would affect the dogs.
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Really?
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And they used to turn they would whatever, but yeah, the heat and the dogs and the lazy, because most of the dogs lived outside and there wasn't air conditioning way back then.
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They're like, as much as they sleep normally, they're like, we'll just sleep longer.
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And if we sleep long enough, this will go away.
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But I just reminded of a joke, and then we're gonna talk about dogs, and I'm I am thrilled that you just did research, but I just thought of a joke that doesn't really fit, but I want to tell it.
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Can I tell it?
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Tell it, tell it, please do.
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This is a song or a song, a joke I heard told by Cheech Marin.
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And it's going, There's this guy, old man on a porch.
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He's got his donkey tied to the porch, and the guy says, Hey, do you know what time it is?
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And the old man, he's lying, he's got his hat down over his head, and he reaches over and he grabs with his right hand the donkey's testicles, and he lifts them up and puts them down and lifts them up and puts them down.
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So it's 345.
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And the stranger says, That's amazing.
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How can you tell the time by by grabbing onto the donkey's balls?
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He goes, first thing you grab it, then you lift it up, and then you see that clock over there?
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Didn't fit, but I just love that joke.
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And I just when you said dog day afternoon, it went off.
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But Chong does a funny Chong does a funny skit about being a dog and a dog doing his doobie and a look on his face.
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But yeah, that's funny.
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Yeah, no, I yeah, getting into the dog day afternoons, and and there was a film uh about it, and then there was a song by it.
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And but talk touching on suburban dogs, we grew up, we've we both had a long history with dogs, and I think a lot of people do.
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I think a lot of people, you know, small world, you extrapolate from what you experience, right?
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So we were dog people, we were not cat people, we were dog people.
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I'm now a cat person because I like cats, I like dogs, I like all animals.
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I'm a firm believer in what Lord Byron said, which is the more people I meet, the more I love my dog.
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Yeah, there's two things.
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One, the new exuberant brand new dog people, and they're like, dogs love me.
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And as a comedian said, that's because people don't.
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And I wanted to say, Oh, I'm a dog person.
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What's a dog person mean?
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You look kind of shaggy.
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I don't know.
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Put it this way if you have a dog person, somebody says, Oh my god, you let your dog on the bed, and I'm like, I'd let my dog borrow my car if he asked.
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Yeah, he could drive around if he could to figure out how to have thumbs and you know the empty and or the old movie with Tim Allen and it uh not Shaggy D D, but the red dog of Clifford?
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No, it was Tim Allen, he turns into a dog.
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But I'll say to my son sometimes when we look out the window.
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He's looking out the window and sees his big grass field, and he goes to his kids because his kids didn't know it then, he but he got bit by somebody, he turned into a dog, and then he turned back into dad.
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And he goes, When you see that that big grass field, don't you just want to run?
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And he's the kid's like, What is wrong with you?
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But whenever we get to the dog park, you hope you let them in, and they just my my one just runs gone.
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I where are you going?
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I don't know, but I gotta go.
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So I you saw my dog situation in St.
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Louis Park when I was really little, like two or three, my parents had a couple of golden retrievers, Mickey and Dobie.
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Yeah.
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And uh one died, one got hit by a car, one ran off.
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And so sadly, we didn't have any dogs in my house.
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I just vague recollection of these dogs, but then Well, I was gonna say that you didn't remember.
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Then we started getting poodles, and so then I can't I can't ever forget the Maria going, Gabby, Mickey, because they would run around the side of the garage into the backyard.
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Yeah, and and it's funny, you'd close the gate sometimes, but then you'd open it to let them run in.
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And I'm like, they're not running anywhere from the backyard to air conditioning.
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Yep.
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Exactly, because you know why?
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It was probably one of those dog days of summer.
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Yeah, yeah, boom, boom.
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But yeah, I remember the your two dogs, and your dad would sit in the Barker Lounger, each from one on each side, and he'd want he'd watch the twins again.
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That's a tremendous memory.
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That's exactly how it was.
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And so we had a couple, we had we had a couple poodles, but when it time it got to Gambit and then Mickey, they would each have their side too.
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And sometimes Gambit would try to go in Mickey's side, and she'd like, nope, she'd back right into him and gone.
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So he had good.
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Those were indoor dogs, right?
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Yes, they were indoor dogs.
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When I grew up, I so I never had the experience of taking the dog for a walk or dog park or anything like that when I was growing up.
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We didn't have dog parks.
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My first memory when I was born, we had a dog, a golden retriever named Rip, and he was around till six, seven years old for me.
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And I remember the I remember when he got old and he loved it outside, and he stayed out there most of the time.
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He had a big insulated dog house, and he didn't want to be inside, but he was outside and he was a great dog.
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He would just never eat.
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Is that dog?
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Because you you had in your backyard or your house there on Hampshire Avenue in St.
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Louis Park, you had a little kennel built kind of up in the garage.
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Was that for that dog, or was this something?
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That was that dog, the kennel and the doghouse in there, and yes, that's that's was his kennel, and we used to climb and even had a roof on half of it, and uh he but he was I remember when the decision had to be made because he couldn't live anymore.
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And I remember because it was the summer Olympics were going on, and my mom came back after she had to do it because my dad was too torn up and I remember when we were tearing up, you're like, oh that was kind of like the first real close thing.
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I remember my grandpa died a few years earlier, but I didn't see him all that much, it wasn't real close, and no experiencing something gone from your everyday life.
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And dogs were my first experience with death as well as a kid, understanding it, right?
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I'm sure I had older relatives, like great-grandparents died or whatever, and it's like it doesn't register, but a dog who's in your house all the time, you notice when they're gone.
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Yeah, there was just a visiting my girl girlfriend down in Denver, and on her table was uh the the New Yorker magazine.
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There's a small little leaflet, and then it was an article about why is it so much harder when dogs die?
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And the gist of it was when a person dies, there is a grieving process and a gathering and kind of a celebration or whatever, a funeral, a shiva, uh, whatever you want to do, to send the person off.
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When a dog dies, you really don't invite a bunch of people over, it's just gone, and there wasn't there's not a lot of closure for it.
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And my closure has always been to let's go get another one, and it it becomes that part where, like, I'm gonna wait for what are you waiting for?
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Your dog would tell you.
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My thought is the dog that just passed would say, you know what, you were a great owner, or you guys were a great family.
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Go find another dog to experience what I experienced for eight, ten, twelve years.
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Go, go, go.
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This is actually getting really deep, but human beings have a very difficult time, and everybody deals with the thought of death differently.
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It's it's just it's like something's gone that was there.
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Yeah.
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And this is actually something I always say when I watch far too many crime shows.
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It always bugs me that when the police have as a sign of guilt of how they behaved after and it's like you can't judge human beings based on how they behave when someone dies, with one exception.
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If it's your friend or your family, you just show up.
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Just be there.
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Yeah.
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Just be there.
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But if it's your parent or your loved one, at that point or your kid, at that point, it's all bets are off in terms of how you deal with it.
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I thought whatever gets you from today to tonight, to from tonight to tomorrow.
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I just I can't imagine that level of of sadness.
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Just dealing with elderly parents passing away is hard enough where you know they've experienced a wonderful life and they've got memories, but when it comes to death, what you're missing is not it's selfish.
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It is what we are experiencing as loss is our loss.
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Yep.
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We miss having this animal, we miss having this human being in our life, and it hurts us to not have them there.
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Yeah, and the hard part, the one of the harder parts is it's the last year or so with the dog, if your dog lives out their life, yeah, it's not the same as the last few years with a close relative, because you really they don't know anything but to survive, and they don't have a choice.
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You can't sit there and they can't explain their symptoms, they can't no, and you can't you can sit there and tell them it's okay to go, and they're like, Well, what?
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Just feed until the end, and I've been lucky that was the only dog I had to put down.
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The rest have uh just something came up, cancer or something weird, and they just died, and and it's I've had to do it with elderly dogs, and it's just it sucks.
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But you that was part of the article was like you usually know when it's time.
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Yeah, part of this article actually what's sad is and this once again, this just turned deep as all get out, but yeah, you we're actually in a certain sense more humane with dogs than we are with people.
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Where it's like, you know, we're able to say it's time, they're suffering, and we're not able, and I get it, because no one wants to pull the plug on grandma, right?
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But there comes we've dealt with it.
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There comes a point in time when quality of life, at this point, them being alive is for you and not for them.
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Yeah, and you don't have the you don't have the heart to do it because it's you know it's not when you go to a vet and the vet's gonna say, We'll charge you a hundred dollars to say, I don't know, do what you want to do.
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But the part of that article I forgot that article I was just talking about was the hard part, the guilt we have is because this is the dog that that you're the whole their whole, you know, a dog's part, a dog's part of your world.
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Yep.
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So a dog, you're the whole world.
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And you get them in the car and you're going and the dog's okay, and they go to the vet, they go, Okay, we're going here, we've been here before, but then we get to go home and have a treat, right?
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And you can't tell them this trip, dude.
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I'm gonna break out in tears here, man.
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You're not coming back.
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So you betray this thing that loved you unconditionally with nothing but yeah, but that's why I say get another dog and and find the joy there.
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But it's like sometimes it takes time, sometimes it takes time, you need to be ready.
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You can't just because to me, it feels like if you just automatically just get a new dog right away, it almost feels like it's hard not to think of it as a replacement.
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And you don't replace you don't replace pets, you just have a new source of love.
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But yeah, to me, the memories are still there and still.
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They are, they exist forever, and you're right.
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It's just it everybody processes it different.
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I get that.
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For me, it's like I need the voice.
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You really are not a trans you don't believe in transitional time, as I'm gonna tell a little story out of school here, but I believe that this was before you were married, that you broke up with a long-term serious girlfriend and then met your future wife right away.
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You didn't even give yourself any kind of uh buffer, transitional, no, you just went from one to the other.
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Yeah, same day, yeah.
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But go ahead.
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Same day.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead, call her.
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No, but what I'm saying is, so it's like going to you don't believe in transitional animals, you don't believe in transitional animals.
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But I would say a lot of times the dog thing didn't I didn't go out and run and get a dog.
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It seemed like another one landed in my lap.
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And most of my I've only bought I've only just like your future wife, kind of just ended up in your lap.
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Yeah.
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I most of the dogs just I've only went out and purchased one dog.
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The rest were kind of like basically kind of uh ended up on the doorstep, and you're like, come on, here's a bowl, here we go, have fun.
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And whether Windsor, who somebody saw a car a count a county road out in the country, car pull over, Windsor and Cosmo were such good dogs.
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They were but somebody opened the door, threw this little puppy out, and these two girls, these two girls I knew that was in college with, they went and picked up the puppy, but they couldn't they were in an apartment, they couldn't keep it, and I was in a house at college, and I was like, and I had one more summer there.
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I'm like, I'll take her.
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And we went, we didn't have a leash, we shared a pizza.
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Every day that was our meal, we shared a pizza.
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That's how we fed.
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She would go to class with me, lay under my desk until somebody did this whole I'm allergic and it's affecting me.
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You know what?
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Is always somebody.
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But that was just like you open the door, the dog gets in the dog.
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Kind of like Mr.
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Bojangles and Clint Eastwood when he just called the dog and the dog followed him around.
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But you just it's you they just they come into your life for a reason, I think, and they stay there for a reason.
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I don't get the anti I get it.
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Listen, if people don't clean up the poop of their pets, fuck that that's on them, right?
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That is not acceptable.
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But there's so many people that are like anti-dog, and then it's there are dogs biting people all the time.
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I think of an example back when you used to live near the lakes.
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Didn't you get a ticket for your dog swimming in Lake Harriet or something?
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Yeah, they tried to give us a while.
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Dude, dude, it's a lake, it's a dog.
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What's the problem here?
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Yeah, my dog, Cosmo and Windsor, they'd go out and they'd chase the ducks and geese, and they'd never catch them because the ducks and geese would taunt them.
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Yeah, and they'd get their workout and their energy and rollerblade down there, let them loose and whatever.
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But yeah, people they talk about, and yes, you gotta clean up after your dog, but you know, who's cleaning up after the geese?
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Yeah, cleaning them up after the deer.
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There are they're critters.
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We have critters in society here, and they're some of the fun ones.
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And but some people, and I guess you had a bad experience, or if you didn't grow up around them, yeah, this and that.
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But you know, have legitimate fear of dogs or have had incidents.
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Well, back like this, somebody goes, I don't like dogs, and I'm like, they probably don't like you either.
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Because the thing is, in in 1984, let's say, if you'd have said dog park, they'd be like going, It's a park, it's for everybody.
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1015, why do you have to call it a dog park?
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We have lots of parks.
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Take your dog.
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Yeah.
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Considering 1015.
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I think I lost your audio there, buddy.
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Or you can if you bring your dog there and your dog doesn't like other dogs, you shouldn't be there, but they're gonna wrestle, they're going to run them off leash, which is one of the keys.
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We grew up, and I know this just because a lot of dogs just you open your door and you let them outside, and then they knew where the food was, they came back, and you knew the neighborhoods, you knew the dogs in the neighborhood because they kind of roam around.
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And if somebody had a bad dog, obviously that dog wasn't around long, but most dogs are good.
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They want to be petted, they want to uh be fed up.
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They want to be able to sleep.
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And you know what?
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And if we could not have stuff exploding in the air for a couple of weeks, that'd be good too.
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Yes, the uh but the or if they don't use them for tests like that place in Wisconsin that got shut down with all the beagles.
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Oh the farm uh the whatever experiments they were doing on them, and hundreds of beagles got rescued.
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And but yeah, the yeah, the dog I brought home when I was 13 in one of those Well, that's right.
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You told that story, weren't you with the Jolly Troll or something?
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No, that Baskin Robbins over uh Texas.
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And I took it home in one of the big ice cream pails, and unfortunately that dog could jump.
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He was he was jumped a fence five feet high, and he could back for the most part but after a couple years I don't know either somebody got a really nice dog big black Irish setter or I don't want to think about the other possibilities but that was before dogs were that was before dogs were chipped.
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Yeah and um and back when I was 14 I wasn't going out to find a way to get uh dog tag and work for it you would you would just say okay you're okay now you're like and I've had my dogs run a bit when I was when I relocate in Somerset and they would take off and they'd get a phone call I'm like and I had saus of the little pug wiener dog mix and then I had a lab and I'm like how did you guys get five miles away with her with her tiny legs on the butt there's a number of looking for your dog stories and we just I just drove back from Colorado with two of the four that are here Bob Marley and Willow.
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Bob Marley's a big gray lab who everybody thinks is a Weimariner but no he's a big 120 pound gray lab reminds me of Cosmo because Cosmo is always north of 100 and then Willow is a white lab and Bob is just chill as the day is long and Willow's Willow's I love that you have a dog named Bob Bob Marley.
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That's Annie's dog Bob Marley I actually had I feel and I labs are my favorite dog I've ever had I would if I would need to have space for them to run around you know what I mean but I had 30 years ago Axel and Rose two black lab the other one was a black lab uh Rottweiler mix and they were the best and I felt like I got good names on them Axel and Rose.
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Yep yeah they we went and picked up the two dogs brought them back up here from Colorado for summer camp as we're saying summer camp well it's good it's good for them to have camp together yep yeah they don't know they're like as long as we can sleep which we sleep on the floor so that's pretty easy but we took them to the Black Hills and wandering around there for a while travelers what one is the other one's always well where am I going?
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I don't know and I'm like well you don't have a say you didn't get a vote you don't have a say get in the car I'm gonna mention my last dog that we had here who sadly died three years ago Max Max loved there was nothing Max loved more than having his head out the car window.
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Yeah that made him so damn happy so happy yeah he liked to have it on both sides because he's okay I want my head out okay I want my head out this one I want my head out this one and what do you see when you see a dog's head out the window look at that puppy pure joy is what you look at a puppy yeah somebody's cleaning up after you buddy but I don't know they're they give you you go home and you're gonna get you're gonna get a great reception when you get home every time what do they say is dogs give you some of the best days of your life and one of the worst yep yep but I say if you love dogs you're gonna see a lot coming once again if you want to live your life without ever having to experience negative feelings or hurt you're gonna be the boy in the plastic bubble right yeah and it's a lot easier to because if you gotta travel and you have dogs you have to make arrangements.
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And it's a lot easier now they have doggy daycare doggy stay and cattle your dog and there's an app for that Mike yep and there's Rover my daughter's done Rover here where we take dogs into our inn here and have them for a couple days or a day you already got the hammer hotel experience.
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We have the dog hammer dog hotel so we we rover we do it's I don't know they're just they're just they make you make life better from in my opinion I firmly believe that and I will I'll do a shout out to my two kittens Bubba and Tiny because they're awesome as well when I was a dog person had never experienced cats I'm like yes I'm a dog person not a cat person but I think all of the animals in the world are awesome and way better than most people.
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When we were growing up we had cats too because Michelle sister Michelle dear sister Michelle brought home a cat one day and uh did I tell you the story about the cat and the bird you you did not unless you're gonna do a Looney Tunes cartoon.
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I was that but the ending wasn't a cartoon uh my sister had a boyfriend and he got her she had a cat and the cat was cool and he bought her a bird a parakeet a parakeet and at one point we were sitting there in a room and he pulls out the bird and he's gonna make the bird and the cat get to know each other.
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Oh boy and he's holding the bird in his hand and the cat's there in one fell swoop that cat that bird didn't have a fully attached head anymore and I'm looking at him and I'm like 15 or 16 looking at him because yeah it was and I'm like going I cannot believe what I just saw you thought this was gonna end well and he's like he's I'm looking at him he's like now what do I do?
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I'm like I don't know get rid of the evidence eat it put it in your mouth and see a feather sticking out but yeah it yeah they don't want to be friends.
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It's hard enough to get cats and dogs to get along at times but I like the cats that sit there and give the old one two to the bigger dogs.
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The dog will come up and the cat go boom boom one two get away from me and the dogs what is that we have to see some pretty decent boxing.
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Yeah and you see the videos now with the little cat freaks the big dog all the time oh my god the dog's side eyeing the cat trying to walk around the cat would move and the dog I can't get down the stairs the cat won't let me like dude ten times bigger than the cat he's I'm not gonna do it I'm freaked out but this has been another fun episode on the bench it has been a good we didn't get all to all my dog stories we will have to do pets part two because Windsor we've talked about a few times yeah when I wanted to send Windsor off to the Great Abyss you and Chuck showed up it was December we dug a hole you guys brought a bottle of Windsor's you guys showed up my door and I remember because I had to work the night that he she got dying waited and he showed up we buried her a guy that used to come into the bar was uh he would make ornaments and statues out of copper and he made a nice in-the-ground headstone and that's so sweet it was it was good but yeah dogs are cool we'll pick this up again because uh yeah I got some more pet stories I could share some some stories of Axel and Rose running around the neighborhood and my poor little four foot eleven mom chasing after him funny yeah the old yelling for him uh cool all right buddy all right you know what you everybody out there and everybody going to a quilla for the fireworks shout out uh still the best fireworks I've ever seen and uh you be good and we'll do the bench again and talk about more fuss stuff all right buddy hammering Carlos out watching all the world go by now underneath the hazy sky now got my ticket for the long ride yeah from my park bench perspective got that wide eyed view on light my park bench perspective helping me to win the fight
