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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
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I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
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our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
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in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
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going over the same parenting topics over and over.
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So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
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we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
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thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
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if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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and let's all make like we're doing something important for
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our families.
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Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
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an older entertainment property, And for this week of July
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twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost season three, episode nine,
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Stranger in a Strange Land. And just to kick off
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our discussion, I would like to read a paragraph from
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Lost Peace about this episode says this was one of
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the series' most poorly received episodes. The native fan reaction
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even prompted ABC to let the producers set the shows
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and date, And holy cow, is that an accurate description.
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I actually thought that the end date had come after
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the Nicky and Pallo episode a few further on here expose.
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But no, apparently it was the one about Jack's tattoos.
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They'd gotten to the point where, oh frak, we need
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another flashback. He's got tattoos? What up with his tattoos?
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That's a flashback? Well, I low, my goodness, you guys.
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The discussions with the creators and uh huh, there's one
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part it said, where is it the fact there was
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a bad casting decision made, there was a bad pre
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misdecision made, there was a bad flashbackstory. Just everything that
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could go wrong did. But I don't think it was
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because the script was terrible. Else here it is we
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used Matthew Fox's real tattoos. That's how desperate we were
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for flashbackstories.
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You think, oh, oh my goodness, really, you guys. And
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it's like coming after what I think was a really
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strong episode with Desmond, where they showed sort of the
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creativity they can do and the excitement that they could
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put into these storylines and the dread and the creepiness
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and the feeling of something larger going on here, and
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then we have this episode, which could not have been
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more kurthunk.
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I mean starting with the title like stranger in a
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strange land, like guys, I mean, I mean people live there.
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It's not it's not strange like the island. It's just
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a different country that you're not familiar with, you know, Like, oh.
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But he is he is not one of them?
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What was the thing that he's he's he walks about,
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but he is not one of us?
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Yes, that is it?
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That is it? Gross?
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Just then Yeah, and once again we have the whole
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is this thing that they're setting up Jack for really
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Juliette going against orders or is it made to look
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that way so that they can get Jack to do
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what they want? It seems entirely credible that it's all
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an act. Yeah, because it's worked before, and so why would.
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Yeah, manipulation being a strong suit of he's not been company.
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And we get another new evil person Isabelle.
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That's right, boy, they they turned up the evil dial
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way up on her. I don't remember her, but she
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doesn't seem like a lot of fun.
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Well, and she also reminds me a lot.
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That she doesn't bake muffins.
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No, but she reminded me of finla Flann again from
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last week. Yeah, Like, I was really wondering if it
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was supposed to be her at a different.
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Time, but I don't think the name was different.
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I know it was different, and also the timing wouldn't.
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Yeah, but the one is eloise. Yeah, well, don't worry
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about timing.
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It's not as silent and you can count on it anyway.
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They can, they can pressto change oh the time with
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oh you know there was a time job seriously, but yeah,
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I don't remember her at all. I meant to look
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her up on Lost p D after I watched it,
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but I didn't. But she yeah, they her direction was
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very clear to be somebody that you don't want to marry,
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whereas Tom friendly was actually kind of friendly in this one.
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Yes, and then there was the whole like listing of
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the others crimes that happened. Yeah, he wasn't wrong about that.
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I mean, Jack can be dense and has done some
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bad things, but also.
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So yeah right, well but then he sees some of
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the people they kidnapped and is sort of rude to them. Yes, yes,
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although the little girl would have to say, well, well
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dead honey. Yeah, yeah, well that didn't go so well.
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I mean, I guess he can he can see or
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he believes that they've been thoroughly brainwashed, which seems to
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be the case.
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Maybe so, but lots of weirdness going on there.
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They were in that room with the just with Carl
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where their eyes were.
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Forced to Carl. Girl's been laying in his backyard with
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Alex looking at the stars, just like it, you know,
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Mayberry RFD here.
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I don't know what happened downstairs, but there's been some.
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Activity apparently, so, yes, some others breached the perimeter.
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Maybe they're just trying to warn us. Yeah, asking once again,
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we are asking where's Vincent?
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Yes, yes, absolutely, if they could have just had him
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wander up with all the other people who were kidnapped,
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Vincent could just be with them. You know, I'm gonna
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swam across that. It's not that he's had a lot
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of time on his hands.
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Sure, But we did get a little bit of Kate
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and Sawyer in this episode. It seemed like, maybe, you know,
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I already knew that it was going to be a
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Jack episode, but like you know, you start out with
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them in the in the boat, and right, well, it
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is about Jack. Because Kate's like, well.
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We have to go back, we have to go back.
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So there's like litter away those words. Listen, girlfriend, we
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are not going yea, there no way.
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But he does encourage Carl to go back, which is
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probably do we think Carl has it in him? I
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don't know. I think I think Carl is maybe made
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of the same stuff as Billy.
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What's his left?
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Ye the Gilded Age who you know.
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Takes one look at George and is like, you're not
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worth it, Gladys.
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Sorry, it's right, that's right. Carl's got the potential of
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being murdered, which I don't think Billy had risk. But
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it's still at the same time, you know, daughter of
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a powerful dad. Do you really want to go? You
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really want to go? There are there other girls around?
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Surely there are other girls around. Yes, wait a little while,
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that blondle from the plane will grow up and you
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can can go from Hi. But Alex seems quite ticked
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off by the whole thing, so took her boyfriend.
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Yep, yep.
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Whether it's on an island or in the Gilded Age, girls,
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you know you have to find find guys made a
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sterner stuff if you want to go up against the
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go up against your dad. Although maybe Carl's going back,
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so we'll see if he can make it back by himself,
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if he can take the boat, I guess I'll take
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the boat.
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But then it turns out they they're gonna they all
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leave that island anyway.
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So that's right to the place that they call. So
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there's a place on the main island that they usually are.
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They were just for this endeavor on prison Island. Where's
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the place with all the little houses and the muffins
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in the book that where they're going back to where
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they're going I guess so this was the place with
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the cages in the yeah.
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In the underwater operating theater, right, sure.
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Alrighty then sure sure.
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Don't ask this show to make sense, Terry.
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How much did they spend on sets for this thing? Man?
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And you know they did the the switcheroo where you
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see Jack walking on the beach but it's in Thailand.
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Gotcha made you light?
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And that little boy who's selling him soda.
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Yes, and then runs from him later on, but he's marked.
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He's marked well.
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And parenting tip. You know, I'm not going to say
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tell your kid never to get a tattoo, but find
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a reputable dealer and make sure you know what that
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individual is putting on you, and make sure it won't
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get you beaten up on the.
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Bench, Like maybe don't do have them do it? Force
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them to Yes, maybe not that tattoo to your body, Like.
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Just because you hate yourself that much. Just get me
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in as much trouble as possible, will you please? I
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feel like.
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Getting pad beaten up.
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Yep, that's about where he is at that point. But
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do we know did he ever mention going there in
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a previous episode, like I'm done with this, I'm going
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to Thailand, Or are we just supposed to think he
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had some vacation time at the hospital, or that we're
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supposed to think this is him hitting bottom, or just yeah,
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don't ask questions, Terry, it's lost.
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That's a question. I don't recall this being addressed before
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in the Jack timeline.
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I mean, did he hear that his ex wife was
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going on a honeymoon to Thailand and so he followed her?
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There is his dad there someplace? Or is he just
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I'm going to go to the ends of the earth.
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And I put my finger down on a globe and
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here I am.
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I don't know.
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He's still very messed up individual then and now and
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always probably. You know, one thing we learn here parenting
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tip wise is teach your child how to fly a kite.
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Teach them young, help them to know how to do
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it so that they're not on a beach and some
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trouble young woman who will be trouble comes up and
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helps him. And you know what, just it's a shouldn't
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be too hard. You know, Jack's dad didn't teach him.
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Add that to the list of things you know, you
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you say. Charles Woodmore got another check in the evil
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column last week. That's another check in the Jack's dad
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evil column. Didn't teach his son to fly a kite.
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Too busy with his doctor and stuff, Too busy saving
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people's lives to teach his child to fly a kit
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No wonder Jack is such a mess. I bet you
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a sawyer never had his dad teach him to fly akite.
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Probably locks dad definitely didn't teach him. Maybe out a window,
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but not Charlie's. Yes See, that's the problem. If all
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the people on this island had had their dad teach
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them how to fly a kite, how much happier being here,
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wouldn't be here. Nope, nope, nope. I bet every time
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we meet somebody's dad, we're going to have to ask ourselves.
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Did he teach his son how to fly a kite
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or his daughter how to fly a kite? I bet
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it's no all around so lost doing a service demonstrating
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the essential activity teaching your kid. Have you ever flew
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Have you ever flew a kite gathered? You know, not
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a fly kite?
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I mean, I don't feel like it's that hard. Yes,
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he also was having trouble just assembling the kite in
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the first that's true, and he needed help from high
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heels on the beach girl.
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Yeah, to do it right there. You know.
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Yeah. I was like, oh, still feels like a scam.
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The minute she showed up, I was like, he no, yeah, yeah.
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Oh well yeah, my husband could not understand why he
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had anything to do with her, and you know, basically
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the entire episode, but that in specific, so just because
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the script says right here in the script, yeah, yeah,
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So I think I've flown a kite, but I don't.
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I think I think the flight the kites I have
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flown did not require assembly. I think you just kind
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of held them up and or your dad did. No,
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my dad was not a running with a kite kind
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of guy. He was older than that. But somebody must
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have done it, yeah, because it would you know. I'm
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not on an island someplace. My life is not a tragic,
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tragic mess. So somewhere someone in my past must have
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flown a kite with me. Yeah. And another parenting tip,
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be careful with who gives your kids pep talks. You know,
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if you're gonna, if you're gonna send uncle Sawyer to
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go talk to the kid, go over a few points
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ahead of time to make sure that they're gonna tell
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your kid to do the right thing and not give
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bad advice and not make fun of them and give
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them nickboks. So maybe maybe not.
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probably in the canoe, though I think it called him
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many things. Oh my, So we had another round of
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the Ben is gonna die again unless we get Jack
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to work on him again. What are we gonna do again?
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we had an excellent surgeon. His name was Ethan. That
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guy was a surgeon. Would you let that guy cut
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into you? I don't think so. Thanks, I'm sorry, you're
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just too creepy. Do you have any other doctors? Maybe
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I could just die and'd be okay. But if you
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only have one surgeon, why are you sending him out
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on stupid miss?
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Why would you not keep him close to home?
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Well fed and happy. I guess he was capturing Claire.
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Tom and the other.
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go out and do that. Why are you sending each
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good question? Keep him, keep him close to home, give
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him a cage, you know, don't let him go. These
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people aren't thinking things through and oh so much so
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much storytelling going all over the place, never to be
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seen again. So what somebody said to Jack that he
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is a great leader, which makes him lonely, frightened and angry. Well, yeah,
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he's all those.
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I know? Does that mean, like you know, as a parent,
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you're supposed to be a leader. So yeah, I mean,
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if we're a good parent, we're lonely and agree.
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leader and you have to make the decisions, can be
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kind of lonely frightened. I think parents are frightened the
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fair amount of the time. What if this thing I've
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done doesn't work? What if this thing I'd done worse? Yes,
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too well or not in the way I expected to?
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And why want everybody just do what I say? So
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there's lonely frightened to day. Yeah, it's the mark of
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a leader. But I ain't going to get a tattooed
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on my arm. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, especially not
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some weird tattoo that.
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a you know, a hot thing on a stick.
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And what the heck did they do to Juliette's back? Yeah, yeah,
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it looks it seemed to me she wouldn't have been
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able to crouch down.
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Like she did, yeah, to get the aloe.
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burn or something.
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any rate, she's just has a high tolerance for pain.
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She's as a strong girl. And I can't remember, honestly
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what the deal is with her, but I just feel
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like every time she's in peril and they use that
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to get Jack to do something, it's a setup, right,
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and the way that he falls for it absolutely every
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time without fail, you know, must bring them a great
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deal of pleasure. Juliette anyway, Yeah, they'll do it to
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save me. It'll be fine. I bunch of messed up
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people here, for sure, that's not in this case. Kind
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of boring people do. But the issue with the setting
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an ending date for this series was that as long
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as they didn't know how many more or less how
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many episodes they had to tell their story with, they
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had to keep vamping, and season three was heavy on that.
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And so once they had a end date, then they
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could plan their story out on the number of episodes
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that they had and theoretically make it tighter. Not that
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they didn't go on plot safari from time to time,
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but you know, and I think that there were probably
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if when this one aired they said, oh yeah, stop
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doing this stuff. There were still some things in the
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pipeline that hadn't been shown yet see xpas coming in
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a few episodes. But yeah, this one, they did not
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cover themselves with more Jack's tattoos. Yeah, nothing else to
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talk about. We're down to the tattoos. We're sure you've
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all seen the tattoos and wondered. I have seen the tattoos,
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but I wonder what we get next week. See next Tuesday,
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we will continue with a season three episode ten of Lost,
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Tricia Tanaka is Dead, which is a Hurly episode that
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I remember being kind of a hoot. I hope I
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remembering correct, Okay, but you know Hurly early. It's a
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good time.
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So yeah, except they don't like hope.
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it came after Strange Land and was like, oh, thank goodness,
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is better. It does not have to do with Jack's tattoos.
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Yeah who, but yeah, I remember it's being kind of fun.
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So we will see you next week to watch that,
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and we'll see you back here tomorrow to discuss the
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Gilded Age where nobody is getting weird tattoos. But I
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would like to tie down Aurora's husband and maybe mark
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him as a weasome way, maybe with weasels branded across
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his forehead will.
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Be okay, I think Agnes will join you.
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Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
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an older entertainment property, And for this week of July
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twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost season three, episode nine,
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Stranger in a Strange Land. And just to kick off
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our discussion, I would like to read a paragraph from
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Lost Peace about this episode says this was one of
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the series' most poorly received episodes. The native fan reaction
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even prompted ABC to let the producers set the shows
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and date, And holy cow, is that an accurate description.
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I actually thought that the end date had come after
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the Nicky and Pallo episode a few further on here expose.
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But no, apparently it was the one about Jack's tattoos.
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They'd gotten to the point where, oh frak, we need
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another flashback. He's got tattoos? What up with his tattoos?
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That's a flashback? Well, I low, my goodness, you guys.
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The discussions with the creators and uh huh, there's one
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part it said, where is it the fact there was
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a bad casting decision made, there was a bad pre
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misdecision made, there was a bad flashbackstory. Just everything that
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could go wrong did. But I don't think it was
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because the script was terrible. Else here it is we
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used Matthew Fox's real tattoos. That's how desperate we were
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for flashbackstories.
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it's like coming after what I think was a really
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strong episode with Desmond, where they showed sort of the
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creativity they can do and the excitement that they could
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put into these storylines and the dread and the creepiness
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and the feeling of something larger going on here, and
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then we have this episode, which could not have been
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more kurthunk.
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I mean starting with the title like stranger in a
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strange land, like guys, I mean, I mean people live there.
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It's not it's not strange like the island. It's just
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a different country that you're not familiar with, you know, Like, oh.
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But he is he is not one of them?
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What was the thing that he's he's he walks about,
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but he is not one of us?
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Yes, that is it?
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That is it? Gross?
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Just then Yeah, and once again we have the whole
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is this thing that they're setting up Jack for really
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Juliette going against orders or is it made to look
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that way so that they can get Jack to do
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what they want? It seems entirely credible that it's all
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an act. Yeah, because it's worked before, and so why would.
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And we get another new evil person Isabelle.
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That's right, boy, they they turned up the evil dial
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way up on her. I don't remember her, but she
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doesn't seem like a lot of fun.
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Well, and she also reminds me a lot.
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That she doesn't bake muffins.
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last week. Yeah, Like, I was really wondering if it
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was supposed to be her at a different.
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Time, but I don't think the name was different.
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I know it was different, and also the timing wouldn't.
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about timing.
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It's not as silent and you can count on it anyway.
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They can, they can pressto change oh the time with
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oh you know there was a time job seriously, but yeah,
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I don't remember her at all. I meant to look
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her up on Lost p D after I watched it,
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but I didn't. But she yeah, they her direction was
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very clear to be somebody that you don't want to marry,
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whereas Tom friendly was actually kind of friendly in this one.
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Yes, and then there was the whole like listing of
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the others crimes that happened. Yeah, he wasn't wrong about that.
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bad things, but also.
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the people they kidnapped and is sort of rude to them. Yes, yes,
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although the little girl would have to say, well, well
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dead honey. Yeah, yeah, well that didn't go so well.
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he believes that they've been thoroughly brainwashed, which seems to
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be the case.
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Maybe so, but lots of weirdness going on there.
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They were in that room with the just with Carl
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where their eyes were.
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Forced to Carl. Girl's been laying in his backyard with
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Alex looking at the stars, just like it, you know,
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Mayberry RFD here.
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I don't know what happened downstairs, but there's been some.
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Activity apparently, so, yes, some others breached the perimeter.
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Maybe they're just trying to warn us. Yeah, asking once again,
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we are asking where's Vincent?
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Yes, yes, absolutely, if they could have just had him
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wander up with all the other people who were kidnapped,
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Vincent could just be with them. You know, I'm gonna
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swam across that. It's not that he's had a lot
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of time on his hands.
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Sure, But we did get a little bit of Kate
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and Sawyer in this episode. It seemed like, maybe, you know,
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I already knew that it was going to be a
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Jack episode, but like you know, you start out with
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them in the in the boat, and right, well, it
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is about Jack. Because Kate's like, well.
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We have to go back, we have to go back.
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So there's like litter away those words. Listen, girlfriend, we
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are not going yea, there no way.
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probably do we think Carl has it in him? I
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don't know. I think I think Carl is maybe made
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of the same stuff as Billy.
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What's his left?
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Ye the Gilded Age who you know.
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Takes one look at George and is like, you're not
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worth it, Gladys.
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Sorry, it's right, that's right. Carl's got the potential of
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being murdered, which I don't think Billy had risk. But
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it's still at the same time, you know, daughter of
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a powerful dad. Do you really want to go? You
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really want to go? There are there other girls around?
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Surely there are other girls around. Yes, wait a little while,
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that blondle from the plane will grow up and you
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can can go from Hi. But Alex seems quite ticked
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off by the whole thing, so took her boyfriend.
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Whether it's on an island or in the Gilded Age, girls,
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you know you have to find find guys made a
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sterner stuff if you want to go up against the
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go up against your dad. Although maybe Carl's going back,
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so we'll see if he can make it back by himself,
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if he can take the boat, I guess I'll take
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the boat.
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leave that island anyway.
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So that's right to the place that they call. So
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there's a place on the main island that they usually are.
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They were just for this endeavor on prison Island. Where's
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the place with all the little houses and the muffins
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in the book that where they're going back to where
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they're going I guess so this was the place with
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the cages in the yeah.
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In the underwater operating theater, right, sure.
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Alrighty then sure sure.
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Don't ask this show to make sense, Terry.
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How much did they spend on sets for this thing? Man?
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And you know they did the the switcheroo where you
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see Jack walking on the beach but it's in Thailand.
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Gotcha made you light?
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And that little boy who's selling him soda.
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Yes, and then runs from him later on, but he's marked.
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He's marked well.
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And parenting tip. You know, I'm not going to say
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tell your kid never to get a tattoo, but find
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a reputable dealer and make sure you know what that
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individual is putting on you, and make sure it won't
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get you beaten up on the.
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Bench, Like maybe don't do have them do it? Force
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them to Yes, maybe not that tattoo to your body, Like.
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Just because you hate yourself that much. Just get me
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in as much trouble as possible, will you please? I
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feel like.
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Getting pad beaten up.
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Yep, that's about where he is at that point. But
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do we know did he ever mention going there in
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a previous episode, like I'm done with this, I'm going
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to Thailand, Or are we just supposed to think he
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had some vacation time at the hospital, or that we're
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supposed to think this is him hitting bottom, or just yeah,
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don't ask questions, Terry, it's lost.
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That's a question. I don't recall this being addressed before
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in the Jack timeline.
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going on a honeymoon to Thailand and so he followed her?
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There is his dad there someplace? Or is he just
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I'm going to go to the ends of the earth.
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here I am.
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always probably. You know, one thing we learn here parenting
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tip wise is teach your child how to fly a kite.
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it so that they're not on a beach and some
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trouble young woman who will be trouble comes up and
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helps him. And you know what, just it's a shouldn't
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be too hard. You know, Jack's dad didn't teach him.
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you say. Charles Woodmore got another check in the evil
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column last week. That's another check in the Jack's dad
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evil column. Didn't teach his son to fly a kite.
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Too busy with his doctor and stuff, Too busy saving
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people's lives to teach his child to fly a kit
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a sawyer never had his dad teach him to fly akite.
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but not Charlie's. Yes See, that's the problem. If all
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the people on this island had had their dad teach
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them how to fly a kite, how much happier being here,
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wouldn't be here. Nope, nope, nope. I bet every time
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we meet somebody's dad, we're going to have to ask ourselves.
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or his daughter how to fly a kite? I bet
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it's no all around so lost doing a service demonstrating
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the essential activity teaching your kid. Have you ever flew
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a fly kite?
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he also was having trouble just assembling the kite in
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the first that's true, and he needed help from high
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heels on the beach girl.
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Yeah, to do it right there. You know.
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had anything to do with her, and you know, basically
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the entire episode, but that in specific, so just because
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the script says right here in the script, yeah, yeah,
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flown did not require assembly. I think you just kind
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of held them up and or your dad did. No,
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my dad was not a running with a kite kind
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of guy. He was older than that. But somebody must
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have done it, yeah, because it would you know. I'm
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not on an island someplace. My life is not a tragic,
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tragic mess. So somewhere someone in my past must have
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flown a kite with me. Yeah. And another parenting tip,
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be careful with who gives your kids pep talks. You know,
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if you're gonna, if you're gonna send uncle Sawyer to
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go talk to the kid, go over a few points
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ahead of time to make sure that they're gonna tell
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your kid to do the right thing and not give
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bad advice and not make fun of them and give
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them nickboks. So maybe maybe not.
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passage to get a nickname from Sawyer.
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probably in the canoe, though I think it called him
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many things. Oh my, So we had another round of
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the Ben is gonna die again unless we get Jack
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to work on him again. What are we gonna do again?
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we had an excellent surgeon. His name was Ethan. That
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guy was a surgeon. Would you let that guy cut
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into you? I don't think so. Thanks, I'm sorry, you're
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just too creepy. Do you have any other doctors? Maybe
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I could just die and'd be okay. But if you
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only have one surgeon, why are you sending him out
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on stupid miss?
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Right? Yeah, they sent him.
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Why would you not keep him close to home?
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Well fed and happy. I guess he was capturing Claire.
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Tom and the other.
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You had Danny, who you don't have anymore.
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go out and do that. Why are you sending each
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good question? Keep him, keep him close to home, give
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him a cage, you know, don't let him go. These
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people aren't thinking things through and oh so much so
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much storytelling going all over the place, never to be
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seen again. So what somebody said to Jack that he
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is a great leader, which makes him lonely, frightened and angry. Well, yeah,
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he's all those.
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I know? Does that mean, like you know, as a parent,
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you're supposed to be a leader. So yeah, I mean,
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if we're a good parent, we're lonely and agree.
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Or is that just Jet?
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I hope it's just Jack.
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I hope it's just although you know, when you're a
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leader and you have to make the decisions, can be
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kind of lonely frightened. I think parents are frightened the
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fair amount of the time. What if this thing I've
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done doesn't work? What if this thing I'd done worse? Yes,
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too well or not in the way I expected to?
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And why want everybody just do what I say? So
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there's lonely frightened to day. Yeah, it's the mark of
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a leader. But I ain't going to get a tattooed
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on my arm. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, especially not
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some weird tattoo that.
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Yeah, it was like a brand and yeah it's like
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a you know, a hot thing on a stick.
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And what the heck did they do to Juliette's back? Yeah, yeah,
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it looks it seemed to me she wouldn't have been
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able to crouch down.
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Like she did, yeah, to get the aloe.
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burn or something.
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That made me wonder if it was fake. But at
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any rate, she's just has a high tolerance for pain.
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She's as a strong girl. And I can't remember, honestly
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what the deal is with her, but I just feel
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like every time she's in peril and they use that
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to get Jack to do something, it's a setup, right,
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and the way that he falls for it absolutely every
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time without fail, you know, must bring them a great
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deal of pleasure. Juliette anyway, Yeah, they'll do it to
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save me. It'll be fine. I bunch of messed up
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people here, for sure, that's not in this case. Kind
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of boring people do. But the issue with the setting
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an ending date for this series was that as long
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as they didn't know how many more or less how
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many episodes they had to tell their story with, they
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had to keep vamping, and season three was heavy on that.
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And so once they had a end date, then they
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could plan their story out on the number of episodes
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that they had and theoretically make it tighter. Not that
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they didn't go on plot safari from time to time,
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but you know, and I think that there were probably
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if when this one aired they said, oh yeah, stop
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doing this stuff. There were still some things in the
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pipeline that hadn't been shown yet see xpas coming in
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a few episodes. But yeah, this one, they did not
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cover themselves with more Jack's tattoos. Yeah, nothing else to
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talk about. We're down to the tattoos. We're sure you've
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all seen the tattoos and wondered. I have seen the tattoos,
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but I wonder what we get next week. See next Tuesday,
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we will continue with a season three episode ten of Lost,
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Tricia Tanaka is Dead, which is a Hurly episode that
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I remember being kind of a hoot. I hope I
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remembering correct, Okay, but you know Hurly early. It's a
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good time.
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So yeah, except they don't like hope.
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it came after Strange Land and was like, oh, thank goodness,
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is better. It does not have to do with Jack's tattoos.
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Yeah who, but yeah, I remember it's being kind of fun.
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So we will see you next week to watch that,
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and we'll see you back here tomorrow to discuss the
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Gilded Age where nobody is getting weird tattoos. But I
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would like to tie down Aurora's husband and maybe mark
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him as a weasome way, maybe with weasels branded across
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his forehead will.
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Be okay, I think Agnes will join you.
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