Paranormal Pendle - Philip Kinsella: Alien Greys and the UFO Deception

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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best
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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.
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Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from
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the heart of Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of England.
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My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.
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Join me as we take a journey into paranoral, UFO sightings,
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cryptozoology and big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast.
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Welcome to episode fifty three of Paranormal Pendle, broadcasting to
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the Paranormal UK Radio Network at PAUK radio dot com.
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So I'm delighted to have a returning guest on this episode.
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It's not other than mister Philip kinsella well known author,
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well known.
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Speaker, well known a person of who has a great
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understanding and a really great history with UFOs and UAPs
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and aliens and so on. So it's great to have
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you on. Philip. How are you this morning, because we're
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actually doing the Morning One today, aren't.
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We If we are indeed, and we got there in
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the end, and I'm so honored to be back on
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your show. Craig, the Paranormal pendle always a great pleasure.
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So I've been fine. Like most people, I've been busy.
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I'm trying at the moment to complete a new project,
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a book on incarnation and reincarnation, looking into the deeper
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aspects of the avatar, and and so that that's I
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have a publisher for that already, and then of course
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completing a few assignments articles on the UFO u AP subject. So,
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like most trying to get things done. And of course
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it sounds all glamorous from the outside when it's packaged
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and it's all out there, but believe you me, when
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you're in the eye of the hurricane, it's a very
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different story completely.
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I think it's I think it's definitely a balancing act,
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and it's a juggling act trying to find time to
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do everything, and especially when when if you don't mind
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me saying, Philip, you are so well known in the
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UFO UFP circles. You're obviously hugely in demand, your books
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sell very well. You know you You you obviously have
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a lot of a lot of projects on the goal
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at once, so it must be quite difficult to balance
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them all. And and of course a bit of a
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personal life which we all have.
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Yes, well, I doubt very much if I have that personal
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life because most of the time it's consumed with all
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other things. But all of us have to live and
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survive on a biological level. I've got a sense of
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humor that I'll use that but thank you for that.
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But I always see as all important. And you know,
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it's very strange creat because I never had any real
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wish to get involved on a deeper level or the
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aspects of your pology that all came by chance many
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long years ago. But I think, like yourself, all of
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us remotely interested in varied errors of what we call
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the paranormal or uap UFO research tends to send you
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down that rabbit hole. And I think that you know,
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for all of us, we're looking for the ultimate truth,
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and that is the underlying factor with all of the
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research that we're all encompassed within. So it is challenging,
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and you know, especially when you have varied opinions within
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the UFO Department of Study, which is quite normal and
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very accepted, but unfortunately one side can't always please the other.
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But thankfully, I've always been an individual who has been
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open to every form of speculation, I've had some people
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telling me how it is and what it is, and
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I merely not and you know, accept their terminology of it.
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But to be honest with you, we don't know. We
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All we have is theoretical content and patterns, and of
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course elements of proof as in terms of like film
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footage or radar recordings or anything like this. And even
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then we're still not sure what we're dealing with because
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there's no way of our side that's being able to
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ascertain just what it is that we are dealing with.
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So I think there's a lot of fun in the
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chase there, Craig. I think that's you know, we don't
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want to know the answers, I don't think, because we'll
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be all out of a job, if that's what you
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call it a job.
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How did it all start for you then, Philip.
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Yeah, well, I mean, now looking back at it, this
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all began. When I say we, I mean my identical
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twin brother and myself were very young, about five years
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of age, and there were memories, distinct memories of events
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that were extremely bizarre. But the reality of the UFO phenomena,
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and i'll call them UFOs, I know that there's a
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distinction between UFO and UAP Unidentified aerial phenomena, which is
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another researcher Barry Fitzgerald and Steve Mirav said, is really
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much close to home in terms of the earthly explanation.
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But my twin brother and I were thirteen years of
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age and staying with our maternal grandparents in fell To, Middlesex.
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They lived in a very big house by a very
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small stream and embankment, and one summer's day, I think
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it may have been in the early early evening or
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maybe just after noon, We're not sure. Remember, we were
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thirteen years of age trying to record and recall everything
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at that stage. We didn't do really in terms of
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time because we didn't think it would be of any
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real relevance. But there was an appearance of a silver
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orb about the size of a football in broad daylight
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that came over within the sky and threw towards our garden.
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It was directed intelligently, and it came over our grandmother's
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head and appeared roughly where this second floor windows were,
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because the house was three stories high, and just hovered there.
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And I remembered my twin brother and I being absolutely
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mesmerized and confused, and our grandmother was just like blase
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about it. We asked her about it and she said, oh, look,
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the fairies had come to take a closer look at us,
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and we knew that it wasn't the fairies. I'm not
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disputing the reality of that connection there, but to us
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it was like something from Doctor Who. And then, of
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course you suffer because of the event of other so
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called experts with it that follow the official narrative telling you, well,
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it's because you're imaginative, And my argument is, okay, so
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you need to be a blank personality to see one
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of these objects. I think that is totally irrelevant. But
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that then fueled this passion, is drive to take myself
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to the local library and to fish out because of
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course we didn't have any money, and of course the
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only way you could read books was to borrow them
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from the library, and that's what I did, and I
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used to spend me and my body used to spend
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saturdays working on our own little projects. Mine was on UFOs,
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namely the Roswell crash and other bizarre occurrences, and my
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brother did projects on robots because he's very much into
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technology and robotics. But the true horror of what happened
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to me occurred in the winter of nineteen eighty nine. Now,
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granted that every single event far from that period I
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have categorically recorded with dates and times, so there wasn't
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a great many of them, but they when they did
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come in that means the UFO phenomena. Let me tell
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you it was up close and personal. But it was
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in the winter of nineteen eighty nine when we lived
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in the village of Mastermore tame a winter night coming
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back in December, and I had what they called an abduction.
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I'm not going to go into detail with that crave
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because it's too far long winded, and I've been through
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that so many times, but let's just say that there
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was one part of the experience. When I'd got into
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the house, my brother and my sister were there. We
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lived in a culdi sack, most of the doors raw
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frosted glass, beautiful frosted glass to the front of the
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house as well, and that generated the appearance of a
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gray type being that came through the door of the house.
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When the atmosphere started to become very strange and my
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brother went into a trance, who was standing in front
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of me and raised his head to the ceiling and said,
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there's going to be an earthquake, or Grandma's going to die.
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The dog was going wild, and then the appearance of
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this thing that came through the glass of the door.
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That there was a light before that, but in the
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early hours of the morning later on, I found myself
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being taken through through the glass doors to the house
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and outside. And subsequent to that, there was an abduction
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that occurred that was very disturbing. The last part of
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that abduction really scared the hell out of me, because
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the last gray that I saw, uniform gray, seemed to
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be mimicking what my brother had done earlier in the
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evening and in the dining area, where he raised his
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head and went into a kind of chance and said
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there's going to be an earthquake or Grandma's going to die.
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But the Great, when I asked him a question to
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try to prove to me how they're able to get
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us through solid matter, seemed to scramble something in him,
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and he raised his head underneath his craft and started
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to rasp some unintelligent, unintelligible electronics that reminded me of
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the voice. The size we had Frosadic's eighty one many
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years ago, and subsequent to that, I then wanted to
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find out, you know, about the alien abduction and why.
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I and many other people led to believe that it
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happened on a very physical level of integration. But this
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led them in nineteen ninety six to a theoretical model
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about consciousness, the soul, the dangers and cloning what the
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Grays may represent. So that that's, in a nutshell, how
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it all began.
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Craig, So, what do you think the Grays are?
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Philip, Yes, the penultimate question, and I don't Yeah, the
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big question, and I can tell you right now, I
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don't know, but I do have some theories. And the
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only way I can explain it is that when you
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get involved with any form of paranormal research, you start
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off very much in the basic stages of it, I
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either nuts some factor of it, and as you go
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along and you start to discover more or experience more,
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you go through a period of transmutation. There is a
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change within your thinking, There is an evolution within the
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way that you view reality because you're starting to make
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connections that weren't previously made available to you. The Grays
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themselves you know, I've had people telling me what they are,
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where they come from, even their names and their levels
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of high command. I lose the plot there. I'm more
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interested in the deeper theoretical aspect of what these things are. Now,
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there are varied opinions, and I'm open to every single
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one of them. But in nineteen ninety six I had
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and experienced what I could only term as and I
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suppose would be a download. I remembered since nineteen eighty
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nine through to that period, I wanted desperately to work
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out how it was the grays were able to remove
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me from my biological form and take me through solid matter,
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as though creating some kind of altered composite that I
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would be matched by their frequency. Now, in nineteen ninety six,
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I remembered I'd been at work and I had this download.
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I was literally working, and then all of these ideas
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started coming into my head. It was like I had
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the answer. I'm not saying it is the answer, but
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to me on a personal level, it was like wow.
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It was one of those big wow factor I suppose,
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you know, when they had a signal coming from space,
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you know, and it's like wow. So I remember jotting
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it all down, and then I went home and wrote
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it out, send it to a magazine, a leading magazine
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then Alien Encounters, and they accepted it and called it
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revolutionary only with an its speculative content, but it dealt
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with the inherent dangers of cloning. And this led me
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into the study of the afterlife consciousness. I'm not saying
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the grades are connected to those in what we call
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the afterlife, but this brought into the question of incarnation
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and reincarnations. So the Grays seem to be clones or copies.
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They don't seem to have any personality, no emotions, no feelings,
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no understanding of time, of color, of taste, of smell,
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of love. And it's interesting that the Grays allegedly are
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interested in our reproductive processes. And we hear a lot
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about the hybridization program that it was meant to be
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in or still is being implemented by the Grays, or
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so we hear from certain other contacts or abductees that is,
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or experiences. And I thought, well, why would an extraterrestrial
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species be interested in the aspect of replication of cloning
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when they themselves cannot replicate? And how is it that
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they're able to get us through solid matter. So this
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then led me into the theoretical content of us as
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human beings, what we may really represent, which I believe,
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I know, part biological, part spiritual if I use that
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word very lightly. I'm not going down the religious ideological
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section there because that creates problems. But take away the
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manufactured or the false version of religion that we've all
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been fed. I think the original version is far more
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fantastic for anyone to consider. But I do understand that
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we go through a birthing cycle. We come in with
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little or non memory of where our original source of
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origin was, and we go through this life creating memories
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and experiences, and then we go out. And of course
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during this period within the research going past nineteen ninety six,
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I then got involved with a lot of psychic connections, clairvoyants,
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remote viewers, that type of thing, because I thought, well,
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the answers might lie there as opposed to the initials
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space man theory coming from another planet not some balts
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theoretical aspects. And the grays also if they are able
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to come into our dimension like specters ghosts I suppose,
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because they're reported to go through wars and doors and
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that type of thing. Then shortly they must be operating
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on a level where they're bringing us, the real essence
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of us into their dimension of reality and trying to
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make this a little bit short here, if you explore
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the near death experience, I realized back in nineteen ninety
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six that the nd that a person experiences that means
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to say that someone dies physically, and then they experience
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going into a light in most cases communicating with loved
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ones vitelepathy, existing in a timeless, spaceless state of awareness,
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and if there is any wrong, anything wrong with their
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body that they left behind i e. Diseased or corrupted
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in some way that in most cases are reversible. When
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they return, when their consciousness, their soul, whatever you want
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to call it, returns to its biological form, there is
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normally a correction within the cellular composition of the body,
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which means that they heal, they become re energized, healthy.
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So I considered here that the grays when they're taking you,
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they're actually taking the real escence of you into their
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domain mother like an NDE, and whatever they do to you,
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because you're still to a degree attached to the biological counterpart.
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Your blueprint is just temporarily removed from it. Whatever they
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the Grays do to it will invariably affect it. I
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in implants and that type of thing. So I think
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that the Grays are looking for something that they don't have.
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And this is interesting because we seem so far removed
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from them in terms of our empathic nature, in terms
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of what we are as human beings reproductive species, and
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if they're creating a hybridization program, this may, I suppose
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suggest to a degree, we can theoretically assume that they're
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interested in the soul consciousness that spark of the divinity
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that we have that they don't, and if they have
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gone through a process of self replication, then it's possible
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that they have on some level counciled themselves out of creation.
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Now there's a very interesting part to this, Craig, that
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got me thinking even more, and I have actually mentioned
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this interrestrial trespassed as the new book that finnam Mental's
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brought out through Flying Dispress. If we go back into
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the past with regards to Genesis, which really interests me
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because like you and many other people, it's not just
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about the ufouap phenomena. It's also about a lot of
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other subject matters that have been hidden from us, namely
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from a system that is utilizing its own control and
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mental subjugation. But when you start digging into the past,
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you find a completely different story with regards to the
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creation mythos as we call it mythos, that's how it's
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been generated from the system that we serve in, most
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notably within the religious factions that are connected very powerfully
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to a lot of people. So in heyday, I mean,
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you know, if we think about it very simply, most
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people were conditioned within the churches. Fear was promoted, and
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if anyone stepped out of line by using their mind
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in a different way than they were considered to be
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a witch and burnt or drowned, so as an example
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to others to stay in order to keep in check
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and to not think outside the box. So if we
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go back into the antidivilian cultures, we understand and I
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believe this hypothesis it makes more sense than the God
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hypothesis or I'm not counseling out God, is that we
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were created and generated by extraterrestrials what we would call
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extraterrestrials or even more advanced antidivilian culture that was here
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long before we came along through our creation, and the
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story goes I'm sure you're aware, is that the gods
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as we would call them, perhaps very much like us,
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but slightly different. I suppose didn't want to create a
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species through the hominid genetically that could reproduce. But of
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course this is what happened. But I wonder on some
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level of whether or not these gods have been on
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another star system and created another species that could not reproduce.
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What if they were on a world where they created
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the grays and they, you know, the gods came here
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or you know, to many other worlds, I suppose, and
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that these grays have found us and are interested in
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why it is that we have been made and evolved
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so differently from them, and that we can reproduce. That's
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just another example that I've used within the book. We
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know about the remote viewing hypothesis, us from the future hypothesis,
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the demonic hypothesis. It's all there and I'm embracing all
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of it. So it's a good question, Craig, But I
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can assure you that we're still no, why is it
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in understanding what it is? But the other thing we
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have to take very gently is that the grays, to
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my mind, are able to morph themselves into our mythology,
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our culture, and also into our fiction, which is very interesting.
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So we may be dealing with something that's far beyond
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our current level of understanding totally.
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So well, there's an awful lot to unpack there.
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Oh absolutely, I'm sorry. I didn't want to load that
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on your life.
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Oh no, that's absolutely fine. I am. I am frantically
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scribbling down notes as you were talking. I mean, it's
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fascinating subject. I'm interested in your theorism and your hypothesis
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about ancient religions and the notion of the gods created,
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creating us, and perhaps creating the grays as well. When
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we're looking back at ancient religions, there's obviously a lot
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of crossover between different ancient religions from different different parts
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of the globe. Yeah, you see images of what looks
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like a sort of bipedal creature satin sort of UFO,
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sort of circular around type of of of U foes,
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do you.
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Know what I mean?
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You see them, You see them in different different freezes
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on different ancient relics, different ancient buildings, and so on.
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think these gods come into it all, apart from apart
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from creating us, Where did they come from? What was
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what was the Are they still around? Are they still
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visiting us? Yes?
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Well, yeah, that's debatable enough. Yeah, I think that they
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are Addavilian cultures. You know, if we go into ancient
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cuneiforms and codexes as well codices, we find a lot
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of hidden meaning and messages that tell us that we
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as the human species, is much older than we've currently
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been told, and within varied epochs that we can record,
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each civilization has been met by disaster or total destruction.
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So it's possible that these so called gods as we
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would call them, although I suppose they could live much
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longer than us, because my understanding is that through their
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hybridization or cloning program, reproductive program with a human here
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on earth in gan Eden, and there were many I
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think production areas where it wasn't just in Eden, in
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Africa or these places. I think that these gods wanted
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to create a slave labor force, and I think much
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has changed today because humanity seems to be caught within
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that will of being a slave to the system, a
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servant to the system. It's interesting. It's possible that these
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so called gods and there could be varied factions of them.
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I suppose we have to be open to the fact
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that are we dealing with one species, one entity that
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has branched out like humans. We don't know, but it
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could be that they have been on our planet for
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a very very very long time. Indeed, and I don't
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doubt that they perhaps had come from the stars or
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from another dimension. Let's bring that theory into the equation.
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And you know, because if you look at the human
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we are so ill equipped. If we are to believe
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in Darwin's evolutionary system, I don't buy that in terms
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of us as the human evolving from the ape, because
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we still have apes today and we are so far
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removed from the ape, I mean, bipedal we are, but
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we are ill adapted to survive on this planet. We
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wouldn't be able to survive if we were natural inhabitants
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from the planet and gone through this set evolutionary cycle.
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It's impossible. I mean, you know, if you think about it.
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We don't have enough hair on our body. We shy
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from our very own sun. You know, we just wouldn't
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be able to survive within the elements if this was
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all termed evolutionary, because we would have adapted to the environment.
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But I do believe that there was some kind of
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cross breeding or experimentation with the hominid I.
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Ed.
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like that. I think more in terms of the ape
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and then modified part with the animal and then part
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with what we were term mixed to terrestrial and infusion
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of the two. And of course, when we go back
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into the ancient past, when we look at what we
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consider in its original version that we believe that we've
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got in front of us of the Bible, it's not
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We have to understand the Bible had been written by
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many different authors and a lot of what was recorded
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within the Holy Books has been absolutely changed, remodified. There
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was no mention in the Bible of a god. There
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were mentioned of species of the Anunaki, of the Nephilim,
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of these angels that were quite brutal. To be honest
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with you, and of course you'll be horrified because most
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people in the system have been programmed, and to challenge
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their belief system would be absolutely monumentally destructive because they
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will have conscious dissidents. They will not want to change
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our belief system. You can't blame them. But when you
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find out that the system that we serve has categorically
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lied and from each stage making us believe that there
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are no such things as extraterrestrials, angels, gods, whatever you
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want to call it. There's no such thing as life
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after death. My argument is this, Craig, what on earth
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is the big problem in this Why is it that
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the system continuously refutes other than a few bits of
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that are dripped into the media cartel or a little
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bit of revelation, doesn't lead us any further to the
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truth of what we're looking into. So, like yourself, like
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myself and many other good researchers, brilliant researchers out there,
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we're left scratching our head and we just have the
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theoretical content. But lastly, the film Prometheus to do with
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the Alien. Of course, I love the Alien film, and
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you know, of course the Aliens, they were the two
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of the good films. But the Prometheus was answering the
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same question who created the alien? And then we find
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out that it was the so called gods and that
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they didn't know, and you know, it led to the scientists,
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the female scientist at the end, having to go off
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to find where these so called humanoid gods were to
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find the answer there. So it's quite a big question.
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But we do know that the phenomena is here. It's real,
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but it's not operating on the parallels that we would
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imagine in terms of coming from another planet. I'm not
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disputing that some may, but the large proportion of cases
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stipulates that we are dealing I think with an intermensal
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hypothesis here.
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Yeah, it's interesting to talk about religious texts. I mean,
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if you look at the New Testament, for instance, it's
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well known that a lot of the books were actually
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written three, four or five hundred years after the events
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within the books were supposed to taking place. And I mean,
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religion is something that I don't particularly get into on
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the podcasts, and I sport to people who've you know,
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who've referenced it. I recently interviewed the Reverend Allison Shane's
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who obviously touched on religion quite a bit. But I'm
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I'm quite interested about you mentioned earlier on about reincarnation
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and us life memories. I'm quite interested how that all
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fits into the whole tapestry of what's going on with
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the grays.
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Yes, well, we have inherent memory, or that we have
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memories not from here. Now, there's been the argument that
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within the scientific fraternity that all that's happening is that
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we are collating the memories through a genetic level, through
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the passing of genes. That is impossible because if that
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was the case, we would be neurologically defunct because there'll
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be too much in there to store. The question is
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interesting and debatable about the process of reincarnation. We don't
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know how it happened or the process involved. Indeed, with
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those who have crossed over, we do understand that there
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is a form of conscious connection from their realm to ours,
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but we don't know what happens to them in the
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core of that experience. But I do understand that we
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create memory, and that's the only thing as the human
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that we carry with us throughout our life. Even if
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that memory is being corrupted through some kind of devastating
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illness like dementia or Alzheimer's your biological system is still
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recording through the influx of conscious awareness. Rather like a
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mobile phone, you've got the physical hardware and you've got
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the signal, which is the phone a little bit of energy,
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as we have energy to make us get up and go,
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and consciousness which helps us brings that in animation into
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this biological sphere. So if you damage your phone, the
480
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.359
signal will still be pure. It will still record, transmit
481
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.759
and receive information to a degree if it's able to
482
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.480
do that, but record definitely, And if your phone should die,
483
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.519
that signal is then sent back into the hub of
484
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.119
all the other signals and you can reconnect that information
485
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.680
with a new phone. So I give a very simple
486
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.799
example of how consciousness may work. I think we're all
487
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.480
linked to a degree on a conscious level, that we've
488
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:17.799
separated the two perhaps billions upon billions of fragments in
489
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order to go through this experience that we are encountering
490
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.640
here on earth, and maybe not just this system of reality.
491
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.880
The reincarnation aspect is interesting. I don't understand how it
492
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.960
is that the human or call it human in this form,
493
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.640
the consciousness of the soul, the spirit would want to
494
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.920
come into the system of reality just for one go
495
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.559
and then return back and that's it. It doesn't make
496
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.960
any sense to me experience, And it doesn't make any
497
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.559
sense to me either if we do go through the
498
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.720
process of choice on the other side to return back
499
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.640
to this world and then put ourselves in a war
500
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:59.440
torn country or devastating experiences like Alschwitz or something like that.
501
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.799
Why on earth would we go through that? So I
502
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.200
think perhaps there is a problem, or there is some
503
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.759
kind of issue or situation that's occurred in the past
504
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:12.960
where we seem to be caught in a wheel on
505
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:19.279
some level. Now, the grays don't seem to exhibit these
506
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.119
connections that we have, like memory that we have that's
507
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:26.480
so unique to the human because we seem to be
508
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.319
so far removed from the rest of creation in terms
509
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.319
of the animal kingdom, the plant kingdom, or the rest
510
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.000
of it, but also within the areas of the power noormal,
511
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.480
you know, because we hear about the grays and the reptilians,
512
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:43.200
we hear about the Susquatch, we hear about the dogmen
513
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:45.720
and the you know, the hat man and all these
514
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.079
other things, and they all seem to operate on an
515
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.960
inter dimensional level and they on most levels. They're able
516
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.960
to communicate on some cases with mind speak and telepathy
517
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.640
for want of a better word. Son know, when we
518
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.200
look at the human obviously there seemed to be some
519
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:07.359
importance to our evolution. But we come here and then
520
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.359
we have amnesia. We can't remember where we're from unless
521
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.720
the caucial regressed or you have strong memories. I have
522
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.200
a few of what we consider to be past lives,
523
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.119
and the rest of it is very confusing. So but
524
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.319
these other entities that come in, you know, God knows
525
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.799
where they're all coming from. There's so many of them,
526
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.920
but we still have no real proof to grab one
527
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.440
and hold it and say, yes, you are physical. I've
528
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.160
got you. You're standing right in front of me, and
529
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:37.400
we just don't know. But taking the Grays, for example,
530
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.920
trying to break things down into a simple category. I
531
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.000
say simple with all due respect because it's not. But
532
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:48.640
in terms of categorizing this whole phenomena from one you
533
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:55.359
know species or you know alien or cryptozoological being, I think,
534
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.599
looking at the Grays and I had experienced them and
535
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.720
encountered them, I wanted to find out more about what
536
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.839
they were. So I think there's some kind of struggle
537
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:08.599
or some kind of interest from them in exploring us.
538
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.440
It could even be possible that they are generating these
539
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.279
hybrids to create a new race, to take them to
540
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.079
an altogether different dimension. Because the human species is almost finished,
541
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.839
we have to take that hypothesis into consideration as well.
542
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.519
But with the Grays, it's dark, they seem to hide
543
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.799
within the shadows, and they're able to also, not that
544
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.000
I saw this, but they're able to. On a lot
545
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.359
of cases, is bringing the person who's being abducted, they're
546
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.319
dead relatives on board, and even we hear experiences where
547
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.680
the abductee is seeing soldiers on board. And this is
548
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.559
where I think a lot of confusion can become possible,
549
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.359
with people then believing that it's the military that's connected
550
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.359
with them. And I'm not discounting that there is every
551
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.480
possibility that they are. But the Grays themselves never seem
552
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:05.359
to give straight answers. They're more interested in how we tick,
553
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.920
how we work, and it's almost like they're digging for
554
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:13.880
something that they want, you know. And I'm sure there's
555
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.360
some good grades out there. I've never met them. I've
556
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.280
only had the experience with these grades. And there are
557
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.960
the three reptilians on one occasion nineteen eighty nine. There
558
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.000
may have been varied other cases, but I cannot and
559
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.599
will not state that for a fact unless I have
560
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.800
total record of those events. So it's a really good question,
561
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.559
isn't it.
562
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.039
It is? It is, And as I said, there's an awful
563
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.880
lot to unpack with what's going on here. I'm interested
564
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:47.760
in past life memories you mentioned, and you know, please
565
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.280
please decline to go into anything too personal. But I
566
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:57.840
myself have a very strong memory. Well, it started when
567
00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.920
I was when I was a child, which I was.
568
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.599
It was a dream or a nightmare, real more than anything,
569
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.960
and it was very vivid, and I do quite strongly
570
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.599
believe that it was a past life memory. I'm just
571
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.440
wondering what your thoughts are on past life memories and
572
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.039
whether you could perhaps share a little bit about perhaps
573
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:18.880
some of yours, if it's not too personal.
574
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.639
No, I'm quite happy to do that for you, Craig. Absolutely,
575
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.159
I've got nothing to hide. Yes, I mean, it's interesting
576
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.639
what you term your nightmare of a past life memory,
577
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.880
and I have I have never had any form of
578
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.679
regression or hymnotherapy. One person to try it. God loved
579
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.199
them once, but they couldn't do it. I just could
580
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.679
not be regressed. That's probably why I remembered the entire
581
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:45.880
aspect of my Dutch phenomena when it occurred. That is possible.
582
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.280
I can't prove that that is the case. But with
583
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.599
regards to past life memories, I do have a few
584
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.519
of them, and I will explain them. They've all been
585
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:58.119
very depressing, and one of them had been when I
586
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.760
was some kind of tramp and up north somewhere. I
587
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.480
can still see the factory in the distance, and there
588
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.760
seems to have been this kind of like rough ground,
589
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.159
rough terrain, and an old shelter where I hung out.
590
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.239
I wasn't a drinker, but I remembered there was a
591
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.360
lady up not far from where I was that lived
592
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.360
on a hill, and she would come down every day
593
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.840
with her two children and give me a basket of
594
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.519
I can't remember if it was water, but food as well,
595
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.920
and books, because I loved books. The other memory I
596
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:38.199
have was of India, and this I remembered as a kid,
597
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:43.960
and the the the visual processing, the emotions have never changed.
598
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.599
But I was a small slave boy. I think I
599
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:50.440
was probably about five years of age, wearing a dirty
600
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.199
white tunic. I could see my home, which was nothing
601
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.320
more than just like It wasn't even brick, it was
602
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.599
just like white, and it was dirty. And I had
603
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.079
a room upstairs that was a hard bed, and that
604
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.920
was all I had, and I remembered that I didn't
605
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.519
have any The parents either died or they'd gone, I
606
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.000
don't know. But then I remembered seeing the elephants crossing
607
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.719
the river, now that I know to be Gamgy. And
608
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.639
of course, then fast forward and then probably about I
609
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.679
don't know, in my twenties, maybe early thirties, and I'm
610
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.039
working for a master, a very rich man, and I
611
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:27.000
can still see this bathing area that was all stone
612
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.639
with the gate. And when I opened up this gate
613
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.880
outside it went to the stone area, there was water
614
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.480
and there was another Indian man in this water bathing.
615
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:35.960
It had a turbined on his head, and I was
616
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.760
his friend, and we spoke, and I remember the cold
617
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.880
connection of the actual building, the taj Mahal, because of
618
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.960
the famous pictures of it, I thought, well, there's another
619
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.199
part to it that I remember, and it was another
620
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.440
gated part with these steps leading up to it. And
621
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.320
sure enough I found that in a book and couldn't
622
00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:01.960
believe it. And this master that I served was very powerful,
623
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.000
and we had this deal where he would have something
624
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.639
within a box on his desk, and the trust was
625
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.519
I would never open that box. Never. But I guess
626
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:15.400
I run urrands. I remember my death. I seemed to
627
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.000
be under some kind of underground part I don't know
628
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.320
if it was or a lower part to the building,
629
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.440
and I'm laying on a mat and my master's with me,
630
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.960
and there are another another gentleman. I think there were
631
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.960
two other gentlemen there with me, holding my hand as
632
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.960
I obviously became ill, and then I passed over, So
633
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.840
that that that northern one, but I assume was northern
634
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:43.039
and the Indian one were the most prevalent in terms
635
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.159
of memory. And it it kind of like, you know,
636
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.280
even with the northern one, I could still smell the
637
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.199
the smell of the smog or I don't want I
638
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:54.800
don't know what you call it, but there was some
639
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.320
kind of like smell within the air that I suppose
640
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.440
if there's factories or something, I don't know. They were
641
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.159
all very depressing and I have to count my blessings
642
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:10.800
because in this life, you know, we're doing Okay, I'm
643
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.800
blessed with everything I have, but I'm thinking, Dear Lord,
644
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.599
when I get back to the other side, there's two
645
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.480
things I'm going to do. I'm going to get a refund.
646
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.440
I'm going to say to them, what on Earth, underscore,
647
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.599
underscore the Earth? Was that all about? So I think
648
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:30.719
that to some level. I even saw David Ike talk personally,
649
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.880
see him talk. I didn't meet him because there were
650
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.119
too many people, but he was really brilliant, and he
651
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.639
did make me laugh when he said, well, I won't
652
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.400
use the word he said, but why on Earth? He said,
653
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.519
would I? This is David Ike himself, why would I
654
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.400
keep coming down to this blinking planet? And I kind
655
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.519
of like thought, you know, when he said that, of
656
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.119
all the places, we are tiny dot in this immensity
657
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.199
of space, and it's like, you know, David, I kind
658
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.079
of agree with you, because what is this? What's going
659
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.880
on the here? And of course then we're born into
660
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.880
a world where we're mentally subjugated and to a degree controlled,
661
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.639
and there is nothing really on this planet which is
662
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.679
showing any form of development, nothing to show that we're
663
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.519
getting the best out of many individuals who'd want to
664
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.440
contribute towards our evolution, our species. Nothing, it's it to
665
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.159
my mind, Craig, I'm sure you think the same here.
666
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:30.400
It is completely and totally backwards. It's what I would
667
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.360
call Noddy's toy Land for me, that blightens one of
668
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.599
our books. It is depressing in some levels, and it's
669
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:42.400
angry and destructive and I just don't understand that part
670
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.239
of it. I really don't. But those were my well
671
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.679
there were a few others, but those were my incarnation,
672
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:49.119
major incarnation memories.
673
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.760
Yeah, I mean it's certainly a struggle I think for
674
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.960
the vast majority of people that are living on the
675
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.400
planet today. I mean, obviously we are a supposedly developed contrary,
676
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.360
there's obviously people who struggle from day to day who
677
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.679
are living in this country as well.
678
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.719
Yes, yeah, absolutely, and they're turning people against people and
679
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.039
it's becoming ugly. We know what's going we know what's
680
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.320
going on behind the scenes. We know what they do.
681
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.920
When I say they the powers that be, all the
682
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.880
pappets are just taking their orders from their masters. That's
683
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:21.679
all that's happening.
684
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.480
I mean with regards to reincarnation, I mean it's a
685
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.960
very if you believe in reincarnation. It is a very
686
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:33.519
pertinent question. Why do we keep coming back? Yes, it
687
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.920
would seem to suggest that we actually don't have a choice,
688
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:44.119
or perhaps we are given various scenarios. You can come
689
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.280
back as this person in this place, you can come
690
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.639
back as that person in that place. You choose, and
691
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.679
you sort of choose the letter of how many evils
692
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.480
you're offered? Yes? Absolutely, you do you hold with that theory?
693
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.079
Do you think do you think that's a possibility. Do
694
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:03.480
you think there's a higher intelligence which when we do
695
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.280
pass over into the next the next dimension, when our
696
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.559
physical bodies die, we are then given and given that
697
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.559
choice to come back again what we're told were coming back,
698
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.480
but we are given a choice as to what we
699
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:20.519
come back into.
700
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.880
Oh, absolutely totally. I mean, I you know, we are left,
701
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.840
as I said, to ponder these questions, and it's lovely
702
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.199
to consider all aspects of it because we can't categorically
703
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.840
prove that this is what's happening. But we do have
704
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.559
an idea through these said reports, especially through and I've
705
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.159
done a lot of studying research into nd and I'm
706
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.599
actually linked within their Death Institute anyway. But what's interesting
707
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.840
is that it's possible, Craig, that the decision for us
708
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.239
to incarnate onto this planet, because Earth is unique. I've
709
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.599
got to say to you now, we all know it
710
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.039
is a beautiful planet. It's actually people term it guy,
711
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.400
it's a life support system, and people just oh no,
712
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.760
you know, just you know, it's just a planet. It's
713
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.719
not there is. It is a beautiful planet. It is
714
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.920
absolutely stunning. But there's a lot that's gone wrong here.
715
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.000
And I think going back into Genesis, even the beginning
716
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.920
of what we consider to be time, through our awakening,
717
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:18.159
our awareness, there's always been trouble and it's possible that
718
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.480
the lighter forces on the other side that many other
719
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.840
people are sent as kind of like and you know,
720
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.320
everyone's important, and you know, you have to be very
721
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.599
careful with how you work things because everyone's offended literally
722
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.840
by anything. Come on, grow a backbone. We're all human.
723
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:38.039
You've got in mind. Let's argue this out constructively. You know,
724
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.880
it could be that they have sent ambassadors here to
725
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.320
bring about this correction to this planet. That many, many,
726
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.599
many people who are going through this awakening or stages
727
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.320
of remembrance recall are here to try to change the
728
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.639
evil that is happening on this and I have to
729
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.679
state that word categorically. It is evil because you know,
730
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.239
a lot of things now are coming to the fore
731
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.360
I won't mention them here, and a lot of people are, uh,
732
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.159
you know, removing themselves from the official narrative where they
733
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.280
can see that there are massive holes in them and
734
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.079
the infrastructure is trying so hard to keep a clamp
735
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.000
down on us. So I believe that there are some
736
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:26.519
alternate forces, darker forces, if you will, there's operating within
737
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.719
this system of reality, because Earth is unique and it
738
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:32.800
could have been hijacked, and that there is every possibility
739
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.360
to consider this because you know, we're finding and we're
740
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.960
seeing that most of the time all this world is
741
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.199
interested in his power, money and destruction. It doesn't have
742
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:50.119
any you know, want for peace, for progression, for spiritual advancement.
743
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.239
All that's happening is that we are being dumb down
744
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.519
and in every opportunity where someone, some brilliant minds somewhere
745
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.760
can can bring a new theory or new piece of
746
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.119
technology to the table that will help us, No, no, no,
747
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.800
it's got to be the system's way, which is you know, money, money, money, power.
748
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.199
And then if you step out of line will crush you.
749
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.320
I do feel and believe there is a darker force here.
750
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.239
I will say it. I do, and I think this
751
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.519
darker force has been here for a very long time
752
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.480
and operating behind the scenes, and it's aware of those
753
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:29.039
individuals who are awakened or coming here to try to
754
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.880
change things in the very small ways. I'll give you
755
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.719
an example, Craig, I just want to ask you this.
756
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.199
If you've ever experienced this, it was a little experiment
757
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.840
I performed many years ago when I was a kid.
758
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.079
And you know, you get it. You wake up in
759
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.960
the morning, you think, right today, I'm going to be
760
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.880
the most positive, constructive Indian. I'm going to help every
761
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:50.599
infectional I'm going to go out there and I'm going
762
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.199
to shine my light. I'm going to just help people
763
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.719
in the world. And what happens as soon as you
764
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.239
go dancing down that lane, I suppose a little bit
765
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.480
like little Red riding hood and in the distance is
766
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.719
the wolf watching her with you know, very eager eyes.
767
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.639
As soon as you go down that path, you find
768
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:15.079
every single horrible thing that could go wrong or happen. Yeah,
769
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:19.760
and I wonder, I wonder if take this as an
770
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.760
example and people laugh. But I don't think that we
771
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:27.840
should laugh, because conscious experimentation psych experimentation has been going
772
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:32.360
on with military factions, indeed with the secret scientific industrial complexes.
773
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.920
I wonder if there is some kind of I have
774
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.119
this vision in my head and it's only a vision,
775
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.039
maybe a fantasy. It could be a reality, who knows.
776
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.159
But I have the scene of all these you know,
777
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.880
people in a basement somewhere with all these massive computers,
778
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.039
and they're, oh, look, there's a dot coming up here.
779
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:56.719
It's Craig. He's operating outside of those normal parameters of
780
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.760
conscious control. What's happening here? We've got to bring him
781
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:01.880
back down into the mold. We can't have him out
782
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.840
there like that. Or it's possible as well that when
783
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.800
you think about and just changing the subjects slightly, just
784
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.079
something for you to think about here, Craig. And I've
785
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:17.079
also mentioned this is that those people, those individuals who
786
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:23.320
are rebelling against the normal processing of control, of the
787
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.800
official narrative of them taking their own lead in life
788
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.559
and operating within their own spiritual levels and becoming brighter
789
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.360
and more lighter and more connected with their divinity, that
790
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.519
the system will then send their agents of darkness to
791
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.159
go in and check them out. And I think a
792
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:46.519
lot of people on individuals are brighter, are lighter within
793
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.400
their own evolution, their own pathway. And it's possible that
794
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.880
because they are operating outside of the normal processing of
795
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.519
how people operate within life as the system would like it,
796
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.239
it's possible that these agents could actually send those what
797
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.559
we call UFOs or those those other forces in to
798
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.239
go and check us out, to see why are you
799
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.880
different from you know that person there? What's making you
800
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.599
tick differently? You see what I mean? You have to
801
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.360
take into all areas of consideration with regards to this
802
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.639
and I and anyone that's starting to remove themselves from
803
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:25.199
the official line, from the official narrative. And you know,
804
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.400
it's interesting how they find that their path is so
805
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.480
hardened by a lot of negativity, a lot of destruction,
806
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:35.760
almost almost trying to bring them to the needs to say,
807
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.599
do you know what, I give up? I'm going back
808
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.679
to the way I was.
809
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.599
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. I mean, I've
810
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:48.039
definitely been being days were when everything can go wrong
811
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.360
has gone wrong, you know. And my wife Sarah's come
812
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.159
home from work and she said, how's you Dereben and
813
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:56.599
I said, well, you won't believe it. This appened, this atom,
814
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.400
this happened. And I've started off in a particularly good
815
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.719
mood and by the end of the day IVE ended
816
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.920
up in a particularly bad mood. Everything's just everything's just
817
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:11.760
gone wrong. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's interesting. It's interesting.
818
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.719
I I wonder, I mean, we're just would You were
819
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:21.519
talking before about about science fiction and about about Prometheus
820
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.199
the film, and I did find I did find the
821
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:30.960
subject matter interesting. I didn't particularly enjoy the film. I'm
822
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.599
not a film critic, and I did feel that it
823
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:36.519
sort of destroyed a lot of the mythology of the
824
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.800
original alien films, which were just amazing. But I wonder
825
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.119
when you look at things like, you know, you look
826
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.800
at Star Trek, you look you look at Babylon Five,
827
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:53.039
for instance, which was a particular series that I really
828
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.519
enjoyed because it seemed to be a little bit more
829
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:01.960
you know, possibly life as to what we could be,
830
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.719
you know, spacefaring wise in the future. Yeah, and the
831
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.519
Expanse as well was another one which which was very lifelike.
832
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.039
I think in that respect, do you think that we
833
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.800
are being sort of drip fed these types of this
834
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.400
type of science fiction in order to sort of prime
835
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.440
us for what what they know we are going to
836
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.039
evolve into in the future.
837
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.360
Yes, it's possible, and I think a lot of scriptwriters,
838
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.159
screenwriters and film producers are very clever. I think that
839
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.440
sometimes they can subtly put most of this messaging in
840
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.760
and people say, oh, it's all science fiction. Well think
841
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.440
about this. I've just spoken to a good friend of
842
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.159
mine and we were talking about the Grays and he said,
843
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.800
you know that they remind me the classic one of
844
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.639
the the alien that's in the last credits of Star Trek,
845
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.320
the original series of Star Trek, the face of it.
846
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.719
And someone else told me just recently at a conference.
847
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:58.920
They said that there was an episode within Star Trek
848
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:03.639
that we understand that my brother's covered this as well,
849
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:07.280
that beat me up Scotti or the transportation of humans
850
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.440
from one planet back up to their ship or another
851
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:15.119
planet is done through teleportation. And of course, within the
852
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:18.880
field of yourphology, we find very strangely that the phenomena
853
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.079
seems to have upped its program way back from the
854
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.199
nineteen forties, and when we go into the late fifties
855
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.079
and sixties, we find that the phenomena seems to be
856
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.599
utilizing some kind of like ideas that we had within
857
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.519
the film industry. So whether or not this force is
858
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:45.000
operating deep within another level and you know, appears or transforms,
859
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.559
translates itself within our fiction, within our mythology, is another
860
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:54.599
good question, another good point to address. I know that
861
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:59.159
the brilliant Jack Valet has already covered these grounds with
862
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.199
regards to the aliens being fairies and then this and
863
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:04.599
then that, and evolving within the way that they appear
864
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.840
to the people in the future. It's possible they may
865
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.440
be something very different. So we don't know, but certainly
866
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.719
a lot of the ideas that we have within the
867
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.320
film industry are absolutely incredible and I think are important
868
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.840
because we need to be inspired, we need to question,
869
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.679
and I think a lot of the times, say, for instance,
870
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.760
there's a film that I do like, although I'm not
871
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:27.800
a fan of the whole of it, but the ending
872
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.719
of it was pretty spectacular. Was Indiana Jones and the
873
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:34.320
Crystal Skull, I think it was. And at the end
874
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:38.039
when the ship was coming out of the ground the
875
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.480
Aztec building, it was all collapsing and it had come up.
876
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:44.239
I thought that was pretty spectacular the way that that
877
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.840
was done. And of course when this ship disappeared, you
878
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.079
could tell straight away it was going into an interdimensional
879
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:54.519
level of reality just flicked out very quickly. So I
880
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.960
believe that, you know, when we deal with science fiction,
881
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:02.639
it draws very closely to science fact. It seems that
882
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.559
our ideas, or our consciousness in terms of creation with
883
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.239
the mind in thinking, seems to evolve towards this level
884
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.159
where what we consider to be science fiction does actually
885
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.679
turn out to be science fact in the future. It's
886
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.039
kind of ironic, I think to some degree. You know
887
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.599
that now people are beginning to realize that, you know,
888
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.639
we've moved so far in terms of where we have
889
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:28.480
been in the past. But still the question from the
890
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:35.000
system will refute, absolutely categorically refuse that there is anything
891
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.000
other than the human and that there is no such
892
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.440
thing as life after death. And I know I've mentioned
893
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.079
this once before, and I'm mentioning again here. I cannot
894
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.079
get my head round it. It's like, what is the
895
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:54.519
big problem unless unless there is a part of this
896
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:59.320
which will truly disturb your average individual out on the
897
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.920
street that because they've been programmed already by a system
898
00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:08.559
to refute such claims that now, oh, yes, ladies and gentlemen,
899
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.159
aliens are real, and so are UFOs. Now uap strangely,
900
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.960
but we're going to tell you now that we're not
901
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.639
sure if they come from another planet. But there's a
902
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.440
whole lot more that we've got to open the can
903
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.719
of worms towards with regards to this. So I think
904
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.639
that even then they'll be huge lawsuits and people laugh,
905
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.039
but their will and I'm you know, I don't have
906
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.280
the money to do it. But if the system agreed
907
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.599
and said yes, UFOs are real, they're not going to
908
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:40.079
say they lie to us. They're going to make any
909
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.199
excuse up. But what about all the damages that's occurred
910
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.480
to those individuals that be moped on television, those original cases,
911
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.400
with those individuals who on levels have gone through some
912
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:55.280
kind of psychological issues, emotional issues through the advent of
913
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.360
coming forward and being honest to them being told by
914
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.440
the system that they don't exist. And then of course
915
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.719
I'm turning around and turning it all back on it
916
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.199
on its head. I mean, you know, I think this
917
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.000
is going to be huge, But I think there is
918
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:11.400
a lot more, so much more than just the UFO
919
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.480
and alien hypothesis. I think this is going to lead
920
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.199
us into areas that will remind us we're dealing with
921
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.039
something far deeper and more structured, and it's not just
922
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.679
an isolated event. It's been here for a very long time.
923
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.960
Yeah, I think it's unlikely that they're going to turn
924
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.920
around towards the government's going to turn around to as
925
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.599
any time soon and say, well, actually, what we've been
926
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:35.320
telling you for the last two thousand years, and what
927
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.440
religion has been telling you for the last two thousand
928
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.679
years is actually is actually wrong.
929
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:41.119
That's right, You've got it.
930
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.840
Yeah, I think it's I think it's highly unlikely because
931
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.039
there will be just a mass panic. But I don't
932
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.480
think people will be able to deal with, you know,
933
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:55.360
the revelation that we are not alone in the universe.
934
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:57.440
And also of the fact, if I just put in
935
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.599
here very quickly that you know, oh, yes, we're dealing
936
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.440
with physical crafts. Well, yes, they've they've been known to crash,
937
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:05.719
but in a lot of cases, and the cases that
938
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.559
I know and with some researchers, is that when they've
939
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.800
done a report and analysis of the materials, there's a
940
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:13.960
lot of earth materials in there, but also something else
941
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.599
that's very strange, and it could be possible that these
942
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.519
forces are building themselves up into our reality. That means
943
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.000
to say that they are creating a composite of what
944
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.119
this earth is to build themselves here and a little
945
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:29.519
bit of themselves. So I'm not disputing that. I believe
946
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.639
they have bodies on ice. I believe that they have
947
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.599
the hardware material that they can't work out or so
948
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.360
we assume. That's another area of contemplation in terms of
949
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.960
back engineer technology. I'm not going down that road. I'm
950
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.199
open to it, but that just confuses the issue even more.
951
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:49.599
Reverse engineering is a whole whole question itself. Well, we've
952
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.960
had I really don't know where to start with all
953
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that feeling, because a massive amount to take in there
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and to digest, and you know, the whole subject to
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me is incredibly interesting, Yes, incredibly perplexing. I think you've
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explained a lot of it so eloquently. I think it's
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hopefully I know that I'm going to go away and
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do a lot of thinking about this. I hope that
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people who listen to the podcast will as well. Just again,
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very quickly, remind me about terrestrial trespassers briefly, what's in
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the book?
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Yes, the book en Campus is not just my nineteen
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eighty nine event. Again, I wanted to really captivate the
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rawness of the experience, but it also looks at areas
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of abduction of places of high strangeness, and also categorically
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trying to formulate several hypotheses with regards to what we
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may be dealing with, and also bringing into the ancient
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alien hypothesis, but with a difference and how the grades
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are able to infiltrate our plane of reality and secrete
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themselves within not only our consciousness but also within our world.
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So that is, in a nutshell, what the book is about.
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Yeah, andre's the book available? Is it available on the
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usual places Amazon and so on?
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Yes? Yes, I mean my other books are out of
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print that were published by other publishers were through contract,
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and well all books are published through contract. The book
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is available on Amazon from Philip Mantle's Flang Dispress. It's
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available as hardback, paperback, Kendall and audio as well. So
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and that's that's out there at the moment.
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Who reads who is the audio? Is it you good self?
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Or oh no, no, no, there is I mean I
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I know that, like with most of us, I've been
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joked that. You know, people say, well, you can talk,
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but I hope that you know. What I talk about
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is kind of like sensible stuff and trying, and I'm
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no wiser to any of it. But the audio version
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itself was done by Russ Williams, a narrator called Russ Williams,
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so he is the narrator, got a lovely voice. But
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I don't think that I would do the book any
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justice with me talking about my own things. I'd rather
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someone else talk about it high behind the wall somewhere
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all a SETI But yeah, the books are available there,
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and I'm very honored, very grateful, very touched by not
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just the publication of the books or the work or
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the research, but also with all of the other great
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minds within the world that we're connected with trying to
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fatherm out what it is, and you will find I'll
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just say here that when you start dealing with the
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elements of the ufou AP phenomena, it will lead you
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down other areas. You will not be contained within one
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mainframe of the subject, unless, of course, you are blessed
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be to you the nuts and bolts person who wants
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to see it that way, which is nothing wrong with
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that at all, because you know, there seems to be
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a composite of two aspects to it. That's what we're
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looking into.
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And do you want to give you your own podcast
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the plug.
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Yes, it's Twin Souls Past the poan normal UK radio network.
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And we also have my when I say we, my
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twin brother and I my identical twin brother, and I
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have a website which is www dot the Canseeller Twins
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dot com. And I have mine, which is the Psychic One,
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which is www dot Philipkinseller dot com. So quite quite simple.
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Yeah, excellent, Thank you, well, thanks for coming on, Philip.
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It's been it's been an absolute pleasure, as I say,
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an awful lot to think about. I do apologize, no,
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I've found it extremely interesting. I must admit it's been
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great to talk to you. Thank you for coming on, Philip,
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and we'll hopefully speak again soon and take care.
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Thank you very much, Thank you very much. Craig, it's
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an honor, Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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You can visit my website at www dot Craig Brownt
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dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return and remember
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to keep watching the shadows, then
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The