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Hello, everybody, welcome back. So The Guide to Gothic Series,
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Episode eight. Can you believe we've made it this far?
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Eric eight, This is the if you're not if you're unaware,
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this is the premiere Gothic suspense show on the internet.
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Absolutely, the one and only.
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The premiere, the one and only. It's easy to be
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the best when there's no.
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Competitors, Eric, exactly correct.
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Not to be fair, there may be competitors out there
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and we're just unaware. So if you are a competitor,
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let us know. Wait, this isn't a competition, it's not
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we're a friends. Let us know in a friendly way.
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That were the best, That were the best.
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So all right, yeah, welcome back everyone. Guide to Gothics.
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If you're watching it on YouTube, you're watching on the
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Book Graveyard. If you're listening to the podcast, or listen
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to The Paperback Warrior, I'm Nick here on the Book
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Graveyard with me as always is the handsome stranger Eric
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from The Paperback Warrior.
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Hello, Hello, Hello, nice to see you again.
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Nick. Nice to see you, my friend. It's been a while.
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Yeah, it's been a while.
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Yeah, we took a little break.
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Yeah, we even had a couple of fake starts here
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to kicking off my episode, what are you talking about?
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A couple of trial reads.
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Basically, I've been vetting Eric for the Gothics. We pick
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one and then I don't read it, and then he
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starts reading it, and then he finishes it because it's terrible,
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so I don't have to read it.
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Yeah, yeah, and uh yeah. And we decided we were
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going to do The Tarot Spell by A. Willow Davis Roberts,
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because you and I have talked about briefly about Willow
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Davis Roberts. Because she writes a lot of Gothics. I
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see her in a lot of bookstores.
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Yeah, yeah, I always see her books on the Facebook group,
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the Gothic Facebook group.
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Okay, Yeah, she's wrote a lot of Gothics, and she's
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read like a hundred books, but she wrote like children's
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books as well, And I mean she's pretty renown. I
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mean she won an Egg Award. I think she won
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three of them. I think eighty nine in my notes,
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I've got eighty nine nine ninety seven. I think she
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won three Edgar Awards. But we were going to read
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The Tarot Spell, which was published in nineteen seventy by
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A lancer, and I left you a voicemail sent you.
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I sent Nick these little voice memos, and I sent
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him a voice memo saying how awful of this book
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is and I and I fear that he has to
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read this book.
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I appreciate that. And when you say, like it's it's terrible,
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it's not even like fun bad. No, yeah, that's the worst.
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Well, it's the thing is, it was just it's so
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pedestrian that there's nothing that we can make fun of
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or even pick apart. It's just boring. And here's the deal.
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This falls into the classic gothic tropes. You've got the
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young woman. She inherits two million dollars, obviously from the
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uncle that she's caring for. So he dies, he leaves
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her two million dollars. This never happens to me. And
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then after his death, the woman gets married and she
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moves into this rich family's mansion. Her husband's family's like,
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of course, they own the mill. They always own the mill.
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Right, got to own the mill.
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They got to own the mill, And so his family's rich,
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but their mill is like really suffering. So everyone's telling
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her that he's only marrying her for her money. So
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they can get the mill back going, and that may
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be true. The problem is when she gets into the mansion,
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and this may sound familiar as we talk about this book,
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she gets into all these accidents, they nearly kill her, like,
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you know, there's something falling on her or somebody shooting
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at her in a hunting accident or whatever. So she
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ends up getting almost killed like repeatedly. So she's thinking
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that her husband is trying to kill her so he
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can get the money. The whole tarot card thing, it's
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just that the family member, like I think his mother
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plays with tarot cards.
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So that'sha. With that name, you wanted to be central
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to the plot and it's not.
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Yeah, And the whole book, honestly is just pages and
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pages and pages of her doubting her marriage, having insecurity,
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and wrestling with the idea that maybe her husband's trying
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to kill her. So I mean, it passes the test,
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the Gothic tests that we have.
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Was there supernatural stuff? Was there a ghosts? Any ghosts
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in the night calling her name?
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Yeah, there's always stuff at night happening, whispers and people
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messing with the doorknob, So there is that, I guess
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the supernatural thing would just be the tarot cards and
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how the mother's saying that she's gonna die. Like I said,
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be it. It has the zero I'm putting zero. It has
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the inheritance, it has the woman misplaced strange land, it
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had they had gas lighting, tons of that. It had romance.
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It had the cover which you can show the cover,
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but it has that. That's a Gothic.
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This is not a very good one, Middle of the Road.
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Aren't you glad you missed it?
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I am thank you?
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Uh, can I tell you about another Gothic that I
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read that?
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Yes, this was our other choice? Right?
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No, this wasn't. This was just something I read because
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you don't read. You don't read any contemporary books, right, correct?
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And no modern stuff for you.
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Yeah, some independent authors, but for the most part, not really.
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Your vintage dude. True and true, Okay, So I read.
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I still read contemporary books. There was a gothic book.
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I think I saw this at Target. Honestly, it's called
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The House of Whispers. It was published in twenty twenty
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by Penguins, So you know it's a it's a kind
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of a classy Yeah, classy, that's what I'm trying to say.
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But the author. She's British. Her name's Laura Purcell. Apparently
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she writes gothic historical novels like that's her thing, and
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she's got several of them. So, but this was her
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twenty twenty book, and this one is terrific. Like, if
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you're going to read a contemporary I think you would
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be fine reading this because there's nothing contemporary about it.
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It's set in the nineteenth century, so it's just a
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modern book, but it's set in the nineteenth century. And
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this this young woman. She arrives at the Seaside Mansion
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of course, right, and she's going to be a nurse
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to an elderly woman. So we've got all check check,
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a stranger in a strange land, that kind of thing.
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But what's really cool about this is she is an
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alcoholic and so she's got a flask on her at
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all times. She's constantly looking for the next fix and
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it's seeing depth, yes, and back then that was a
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big no no. You know, women secretly drinking and stuff
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like that was a big no. So she's always trying
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to figure out ways to get to alcohol else she's
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going to go to withdrawals. So that part was cool.
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There's also a whole backstory on what happened with her
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previous employment at another mansion. And she has this trunk
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that she keeps secret, and in the trunk is bloody
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clothes and some dishware. So you're like, what is going
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on with this woman? She has this alcoholism, she's got
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this secret in the trunk, and you've got this whole
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mystery about what happened to her at the previous mansion
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that year was at and in her new employment with
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this older woman, they have these weird rituals in the house,
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like all the interior doors have to be locked, and
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they have to put salt down in the doorways, and
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they can't have any lights on at night. So it's
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like really creepy stuff. It kind of reminded me of
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the movie The Others, or I guess, yeah, yeah, The
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Others really comes to mind. But the thing is under
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the house in this because it's on this it's on
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like the cliff above the sea. There's all these subterranean caverns,
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and supposedly she's there's a myth that there's these evil
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wait for it, evil pixies that live in the caves. Supposedly,
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these pixies will come out and take a person into
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the caverns and they replace them with a brain dead
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pod person like as the bodies like then the body
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stachers or something. So so that's and I wasn't I
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was at familiar with pixies, so that was all due
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to men.
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That's cool.
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There's not a lot of pixies in gothics or horror.
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There's not a lot of pixie horror, right.
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I you know, I don't know. I can't give any
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off the top of my head, but I mean it's
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in is it it in Irish folklore? Right? That's right.
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We haven't run into some pixie stuff.
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Yeah, we did to start looking for pixies. But the
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book is it weaves in and out of these timelines
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because then it goes back in time to the old
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woman that she's taken care of as a little girl
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living in that house, so you get the whole idea
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of where these pixies come from, what their goals are.
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And her dad is like a doctor, so he's he's
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doing experiments on these prisoners that he keeps in the caves,
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like there's like tuberculousis and stuff, and he thinks that
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the damp air and the salt will cure them. So
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he's got like this whole thing. But then you get
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into like her mystery of what happened in the previous
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mansion that she lived in, and it's got all these
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different things. But I think the book was in three parts.
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What a lot going on for a Gothic how many pages? Want?
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I think four hundred four in our pages. Yeah, but
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it was it was great. It was really really good.
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I've got my review going up this week on July
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third on Paperback Warrior. But it was great. I mean,
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I want to say this is more more Gothic but
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also horror at the same time, so you could it
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could fall under either one.
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Yeah, well, yeah, the Gothic horror is I'll say, yeah,
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exactly that.
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This is definitely traditional.
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Yeah, but it has the elements of the Gothic suspense
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like we talked about.
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Yeah, most definite troops. Yeah, definitely good.
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Sweet sounds cool.
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So there you go.
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That's good. You're you're a man of honor. I'll talk
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about new current authors help getting the word out. You're
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a better man than I Eric, I don't know about that.
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So what are we talking about today?
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So we're gonna talk about John Messman. Have you ready
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to John Messman?
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I have. I have read two other John Messman gothics.
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He happens to be my fas Okay, good favorite gothic writer.
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Oh yeah, okay, all right, so you're see why att
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this book?
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Oh yeah, so John Messman. For those of you don't know,
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John Messman is mostly known for the guy who created
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the Trailsman adult western series, and he wrote like five
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thousand of these books, like one a month, basically, and
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then he handed it off to other authors. But he
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wrote for Nick Carter Killmaster. He wrote those books. He's
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wrote The Revenger. The Revenger, which is kind of like
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mac Bolin, was published in the seventies, One against the Mob,
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Woman against the Mob. And then he wrote Jefferson Boone Handyman,
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which is like a private Eye international globe trotting adventures.
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I think there's like six or seven of those. We're
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talking fast cars, beautiful women, vintage wine. So the Revenger
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is very gritty. Jefferson Boone's kind of classy in a
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James Blind kind of way. And then he wrote standalone
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ben standalone thrillers, and he wrote Gothics. His Gothics he
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wrote as Claudette Nicole or Claude Nicole is the name
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that he used, and he wrote these for Falset Gold Medal,
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which obviously is the prestigious publisher at the time, So
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Claudete Nicole was John Messman. Brash Books went all in
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on Messman, so they did reprints of The Revenger, So
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the whole series is available in print and digital, and
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it comes with a I was gonna say, I had
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a Did I write something in are of this? I
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don't care? Yeah, I wrote, I wrote this for the book.
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It's a little he wrote, look at that, Eric the
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afterword on that, and then he also they also did
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the Handyman books in print and digital as well. There's
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the new Handyman Books Jefferson Boone Handyman. I think I
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might have something in here too, but I can't remember. Yeah,
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there we go. It's just the thing on John Messman's life.
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Move it away from your name, m move it away
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from your name so we can see the whole thing.
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Oh the other way. There you go, There you go,
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there you go. Look at that.
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So that's Brash Books doing the Revenger and the Handyman,
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but Cutting Edge, which is the sibling publisher. These are
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all owned by Lee Golberg. The sibling was Cutting Edge,
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and Cutting Edge has done. You can show the artwork.
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But they have all the Claudet Nicole Gothics available in
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paperback and digital, and if you read digital, they have
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the Claudet Nicole Reader series, which is books one and two,
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and inside of each of those is five novels, four
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or five novels. So the Claudetnical Reader will give you
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all the John Messman Gothics on and one Fell Swoop
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for a cheap price.
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Nice. Are there audiobooks of the Claudet Nicole books.
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No, no, you should make one, only.
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If you do it with me.
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Yeah, we cold we could you be.
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The handsome stranger. I'll be the leading lady. Oh wow,
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what do you think?
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I think it sounds great.
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Is John Messman still alive? No?
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And the thing is with him. We covered him on
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a Paperback Warrior podcast episode. You can show the episode
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and then also I did a prime around him on
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Paperback Warrior. But oddly enough, supposedly he lived his entire
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life in a New York City apartment. He never went
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out West he never traveled to any of these places.
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You know, in his Jefferson Boone and his Nick Carter,
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he's all over the world with his fictional heroes, globe trotting,
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but he's never left the comforts of his apartment in
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New York. And he died in a nursing home in
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New York.
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Oh, he had a subscription the National Geographic.
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Like a lot of those authors did.
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That's all it takes. It's all it takes creative mind. Yeah,
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so that's yeah.
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Joseph Rosenberg. Yeah, supposedly he was the same thing. He
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never left He never left his house and just used
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Dasher Geography write all those international adventures.
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Did Edward s Erond's ever go anywhere? That? I wrote
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about everything like he had been there?
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He's kind of a war hero. H Do you have
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any Claudent Nicole paperbacks? I've got some cities, I sure do.
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I what a coincidence.
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Wow, it's like we planned it. Do you want to
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do a show and tell?
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Let's do it, sny years. I'll show you mine.
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Yeah. Well, I'll start off with my favorite, and it
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is The Haunting of drum Row. Oh yeah, okay, it
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has a cult in it. Oh you got it.
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This was yeah, this was what made me love the genre.
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Right here.
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So you've read this wand you read this one. You
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read this one.
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Okay, yeah, it's it's really good and it's a good mystery.
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This is when I was This is when I was like, oh,
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is that what a Gothic is. It's a mystery.
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It's interesting. I'm bringing in the back of it. And
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it's very similar to this book because she's received an
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invitation from her aunt m hm to come to the
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ancestral castle. All right, but if it ain't broke, don't
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fix it, Eric, it's not broke, don't fix I'll go next.
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I'll do House at hawks In.
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Oh I don't have that one. It's nice, that's cool.
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I'll mail it to you.
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I thought you were keeping all your gothics. No, all right,
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I'll take them. I'd love them.
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You're next.
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I have the Dark Mill.
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This is what started the Guide to Gothic series is
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I mentioned in the video review that I did where
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I was like, I was thinking about doing a a
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guide to Gothic thing and then we started this, which
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is much better than me just talking about it, dude.
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The the protagonist, her name is Tansy t A N
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s Y I mean Tansys do you know? It says
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this isn't the terrifying tradition of the Bad Seed and
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the Exorcist.
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On the back of the Dark million, I'll give him
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the bad Seat the Exorcist.
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Now nineteen seventy one, falset. I've got my favorite, uh
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John Messman book.
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Oh that's good.
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Circle of Secrets. I reviewed this on the blog nineteen
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seventy two.
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Awesome what goes on that one?
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That this is great? She has been course this the protagonist,
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her name is Kim. She's been corresponding with this girl
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on the phone for years. This girl just calls her
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and talks to her about her life, life and all
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this stuff. And she just talked to her for years.
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So something happens, like she stops calling or whatever, but
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she ends up getting a letter in the mail from
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the girl stating that she's in trouble and she wants
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her to come to visit her, and she's never visit
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her before. She's never seen her before.
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Was there a wrong number and they just became friends?
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How did she know her?
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They ended up meeting? Now they ended up Maybe they
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did meet initially, like on a trip or something and
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they struggle both. Yeah, but they haven't done anything since,
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Like they haven't seen each other. So she goes to Georgia,
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like on the coast of Georgia where this girl lives.
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She finds out this girl's been dead for like six years.
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So who's she been corresponding.
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With a little good that's a hook.
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Yeah, it was really cool. Great, great book, great book, scary.
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Book, cool cover too. Yeah, it's it's really good. Yeah,
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your next. Here's one that I haven't read. This is
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the only one John Messman caught it and Nicole that
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I haven't read. Oh, that's the one I have blood Roots, Manna.
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Maybe we should read that one night, just the John
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Messman podcast, just knock them all out.
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Yeah, that would be cool. This one even has a
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call out to the book that we're doing today, A
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novel of mystery and suspense by the author of the
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Mistress of o Ryan Hall. Maybe the Mistress of Oriyan
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Hall was a it maybe all right? So yeah, so
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that's what we're doing today, ladies and gentlemen.
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The Mistress of Oriyan Hall.
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Look at that beautiful cover. Did you happen to look
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it up first? I didn't.
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No, I don't know who did the art.
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Not too sure on that, Eric, Well, if you're watching
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on YouTube, I'll try to find it and put it
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on the screen. You're listening to the podcast, you're out
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of luck.
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You just yeah, it's over.
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I'm excited to talk about this. Do you want to
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give any initial impressions?
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As I told you this, the name of this book
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should have been the Pomegranate Evil, the Evil pomegranted, yeah,
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the Pomegranates Terror, Terror, Pomgranit Hill.
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So yeah. This was published in nineteen seventy, I think
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by Fossil Gold Medal nineteen seventy, of course, under the
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name Claudee Nicole, which established again John Messman, did you
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want me to go over how it starts? So you
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want to talk about how it starts.
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That's up to you, my friend. I usually do it,
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but if you if you're ready, let's ready. Yeah, you
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can you can knock it out, all right.
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So at the beginning of the book, and I think
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we're like, I don't know, like fifty sixty years in
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the past. At the beginning of this book, it starts
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with the Mistress of Orion Hall, which is the very
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first mistress of Orion Hall. She's slain in the hanging
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hours of the night, while the sea moaned and the
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clouds in the moon. How the book starts, she dies
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at the top of this turret, in this gigantic house.
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And we learned that when she died Nick, the pomegranates
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turned bitter, the olives shriveled, and lemon fruits turned brown.
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The moon was obscured for twenty one nights, and the
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seabirds wailed for over one hundred days.
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That's crazy. Why do you think that is? I guess
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she's a witch.
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I guess she was a big f and deal, right,
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all right.
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I think they're insinuating that she is. She was a witch,
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and that's why they killed her.
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It's very mythical, you know. It's it's kind of like
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it's just kind of like a bunch of nonsense, right,
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We're not just believe any of the stuff. It really happened,
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and you know, and when you know a murder is
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important when fruit goes bad. I wrote that down murder
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is impactful when your fruit goes bad.
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That's so funny that you mentioned that, because I totally
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glossed trade over.
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I was like, whatever, yeah, and oh, we're not done
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with pomegrants either.
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Come back? You do you? I do you mind if
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I read the second chapter? Because what I like about
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John Messman is when you imagine like the stereotypical Gothic,
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like if you look at the cover and you're like, man,
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I want this like written, you know, I want it.
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I want I want that atmosphere. I think he does
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it better than anybody else.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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shrouded the night when she was killed in the chill
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damp of the dark. She had gone out to prowl
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the blackest shadows of the night, and death had finally
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met her to claim its reward. Before the mel Timmy
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blew from the north to tear away the veil of fog.
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It was over, and the Mistress of Ryan Hall was dead.
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I think that kind of writing is why he was
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always on false to gold medal. He was on the
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top of the heap, you know, as opposed to like
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Paperback Library or Lancer or Dell or Belmont or something
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like that.
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He like, this is the cream of the crop stuff. Yeah,
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it's good, and it lasts the whole book. It doesn't
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just start off strong and he forgets about it, right Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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it continues on that fog is it's throughout the whole book.
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Yeah, it's almost a character to itself.
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Our protagonist. Her name is Lisa. She's twenty two years old.
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She's an American art history student. She's also fluent in Greek,
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and she's arrived in London because she's gotten a She's
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received a cable gram from her aunt, Maggie. Maggie wants
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Maggie was Margaret Simpson.
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It's Maggie and Lisa, dude.
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Yeah Simpson's yeah, I forgot about that. Maggie, whose full
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name is Margaret Simpson, needs Lisa's help because Lisa is
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a Greek honors student, and Maggie wires her some money
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for this trip and insists on meeting her London to
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explain everything that's gonna happen and why Lisa is needed
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with me.
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So far, Yes, as a translator.
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Yeah, as a translator in London. Lisa arrives at the
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hotel and she starts, basically, it's a great way for
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us to figure out what's going on. As a reader.
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She's reflecting on Maggie's letters that that she was sent. Apparently,
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Maggie used to visit Lisa's family in Vermont when Lisa
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was a kid, and Maggie was sort of like a
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worldly person, like she traveled a lot, so she was
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always able to relay stories to Lisa about like her
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world travel and she was the hip ant. Yeah, and
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her I wrote down something about her father's her father's
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grandmother was half Greek and they have like this this
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house oryon Hall on the island of Cyprus, that's been
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in the family for like a century or something. And
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she's she's basically going to take over this house. Maggie
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wants to move into O'Ryan Hall, but she needs a
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she needs a testimony from a blood relative to be
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able to do that, because the island won't allow her
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to just move in as a resident without making sure
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that she's a blood descendant. That's that can inherit this
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this property, and and there's and this is important because
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there is a certain somebody that wants the house.
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Yes, she's been getting Are they nasty letters or I
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don't think they are. They are they like threatening it
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at first, Later on.
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I think it's like legal action letters.
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Yeah. Yeah, there's a lawyer who says that they don't
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somebody else bought the property that because of back taxes. Yeah,
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it went to the to the state and somebody.
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Yeah, this guy named al Burton, Uh, he's an attorney,
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claims that, you know, a client already has that house
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because of the unpaid taxes. But but Maggie, she thinks
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that this is just a racket to to deter her
484
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.319
from the house. And she wants she wants to Ryan Hall,
485
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.400
and she wants Maggie to help her with moving into
486
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.480
it and getting it ready and and translating for the island.
487
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:55.880
Yeah, she has all the proof that she's paid the taxes.
488
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:56.599
Yeah.
489
00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:01.079
And it's basically just the setup of someone's trying to
490
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.319
get them out. Yeah.
491
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:06.640
Yeah. And and Lisa sees a stranger a couple of
492
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.240
times in and around her hotel, like he's dressed in
493
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.160
black and is apparently staring at her.
494
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.119
Yeah, a man in a short jacket, tall black boots
495
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:16.759
and sullen deep eyes.
496
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.240
Sullen deep eyes.
497
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.799
But he's not the handsome stranger.
498
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.720
No, No, this one seems more ominous. Yeah, this is
499
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:26.519
an ominous threat for sure.
500
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:27.839
Ah.
501
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.200
Do you want to talk about the boat trip?
502
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.839
Uh? Yeah, they take well, they take the plane from
503
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:38.480
London to Athens and then a ship to Cyprus, and
504
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.359
then when they get off, they get When they get
505
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:46.160
to the to the island, Lisa sees a real real
506
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:51.359
gypsy who's giving who's doing fortune telling, and Lisa wants
507
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:56.000
this woman to tell her her future. Yeah, and the
508
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.839
woman states that she's going to Kynea, which is a
509
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:06.519
I guess a section of the island. Yes, and Lisa's
510
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.359
very surprised she's taking a back but figures it's a
511
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:15.319
lucky guests. And then the lady sings are a song, right, Yeah,
512
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.880
this is a song about pomegranate's. There's something to do with
513
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.720
pomegranates here. But I wasn't in on the fruit conspiracy
514
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.480
that you are, okay, so if you, if you, if
515
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:25.039
you got it.
516
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.720
I don't remember the song that she sang, but it
517
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.759
was like a warning not to go there and not
518
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.200
to have children. Yeah, it's like, don't have any babies
519
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.720
on the islands, which was really weird. But now there's
520
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:39.839
no pomegranates yet.
521
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.640
I thought she bought a pomegranate from her.
522
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:45.240
I think that was at the market in town.
523
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.720
Okay, oh okay.
524
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.440
Yeah, we'll get to that. Got you. We got pomegranates.
525
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:51.759
Come of trust those folks.
526
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:57.119
So, yeah, this is cool. I'm in. I'm in so far.
527
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.960
It's a lot like the most exciting, but it's cool.
528
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:07.160
Yeah, it's setting it up. There's it's building on the
529
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.440
on the steamer ship going to Cyprus. Lisa, she wakes
530
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.440
up one night and Maggie is crying out to her,
531
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.359
and she runs out and she finds that her aunt's
532
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.799
missing from her cabin and she discovers her clinging like
533
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.920
precariously to the ship's rail and this horrible storm and
534
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.279
she's about to go into the sea, so Lisa saves her.
535
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.240
This was so exciting. This was I was as soon
536
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.720
as this happened, I was like, this is it, this
537
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.599
is this is gonna be great. Yeah, there's a huge storm.
538
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.119
The Captain's like, there's a storm coming. Everyone go below deck.
539
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:50.000
Whatever you do, don't come up, don't come up to deck. Yeah,
540
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.440
and then yeah, and then Lisa hears her aunt calling.
541
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.839
She goes aside the boats jilted and the waves and
542
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:01.200
she's just hanging on ye hell. And then they both
543
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.720
and then Lisa goes out. I think they're both just
544
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.880
trashed back and forth from the waves. It is. It's
545
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:07.599
very exciting.
546
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.359
Yeah, it's like it's like we went from love boat
547
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.960
to Gilligan's Island and one night it's it's just tossed
548
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:20.960
at sea. But yeah, Lisa saves Maggie and she, Uh.
549
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.880
The thing is that Maggie says that she heard a
550
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.640
voice or something and it felt like she was sleepwalking.
551
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.519
And this is something that will affect Lisa later because
552
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.319
Lisa has these same things kind of happened where she's
553
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.279
like sleepwalking or feels like she's sleepwalking, or she's got
554
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:41.960
these weird blackout moments. But when they get settled in
555
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.160
and they get back to the they get to the
556
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:50.200
island or whatever, Lisa's in the village market and this
557
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.279
woman at a little fruit table offers Lisa some pomegranates,
558
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:05.880
and Lisa flips outs like no, I don't. It's like,
559
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.279
what is going on, Like she has like this horrible
560
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.079
fear of pomegranate, she has this nausea, She's like this horror.
561
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.240
She's recoiling from this woman offering her pomegranates.
562
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:16.519
It's in the blood line.
563
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.920
It's in the bloodline. So yeah, that's the.
564
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.599
I Yeah. So when they get to the island, he
565
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.559
once again does has wonderful description of the area and
566
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.680
the people, and it really feels like like you really
567
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.960
landed on this island. Yeah. I love this setting. I
568
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.720
love that it's in Greece. I don't think I've read
569
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:44.279
many stories that took place in Greece. Actually, so very cool.
570
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.039
It was like a little vacation. Yeah.
571
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.039
And if you if you ever want to sort of
572
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:50.319
on the side of here, you ever want to read
573
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.680
a great book set in Greece, Jack Higgins has an
574
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.319
awesome adventure novel set in Greece called The Dark Side
575
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:02.880
of the Island. Definitely recommended. Nice, Yeah, it's great. But yeah,
576
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:04.759
once they get to the eye, is this where the
577
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.400
thing falls? It almost crushes her. Like at the dock,
578
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.000
there's like a crane that's holding up this big, heavy
579
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.039
thing and it almost crushes her.
580
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.039
If it is, I didn't write it down.
581
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.720
So yeah, that's the first accident. Is she's Maggie, I think,
582
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.200
is standing under this huge crane thing that ends up
583
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.839
dropping this heavy thing, and Lisa runs and like pushes
584
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.720
Maggie out of the way so she doesn't get crushed.
585
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.680
So we have the first like series of acts, well
586
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.440
really the second series of accidents with Maggie almost dying
587
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:40.039
off the ship.
588
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.599
That wasn't an accident, No, it's not really.
589
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.920
But she says she was sleepwalking. But she was sleepwalking.
590
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.039
It's never explained why she was out on that deck.
591
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:50.839
Now there's a couple of things in here that really
592
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:51.599
isn't explained.
593
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.519
I guess. Didn't the aunt say that she thought that
594
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.119
she had actually heard Lisa or something talking to her.
595
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.480
Yeah, yeah, she thought she heard her voice telling her
596
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.960
the Yeah.
597
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:07.039
She goes to town and there's all the Greek ladies
598
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.559
all wrapped up in the in the black and the
599
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.359
the black cloth outfits that they wear. I don't know
600
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:19.559
what they're called. And they all the ladies think that
601
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.240
they act like they see a ghost when they see Lisa.
602
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:23.599
Oh yeah that's right.
603
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.680
Yeah, Oh my god. Yeah yeah, And then then she
604
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:29.759
goes back to the Rhine Hall and she walks out
605
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.720
to the terrace and walks down the stairs in the darkness,
606
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.240
and she feels a hand to grab her.
607
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.599
Yeah. Yeah, some physical things, some physical presence.
608
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.799
But I couldn't tell if he meant when he was writing,
609
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:47.960
if it was like like literally or metaphorically, Like I couldn't.
610
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.839
I couldn't tell if someone was actually there or not.
611
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.440
I think they were. Yeah, because this happens again.
612
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.920
So she yeah, so she freaks out and runs to
613
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.599
her room, and then she meets Demetrius.
614
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.559
Yeah, and just to be clear, she's in a Ryon
615
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.960
hall now, Yeah, she's moved in there with Maggie.
616
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.639
I don't remember how she meets Demetrius. I didn't write
617
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.880
it down. I know he was Yeah, he was like
618
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.599
shirtless and had black wavy hair, was very attractive.
619
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.480
Yeah yeah, yeah, I can't remember either, but yeah, he's there.
620
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.960
I can't remember how she meets him.
621
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.440
And then she stumbles upon she's walking to town and
622
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.639
then this is when she stumbles upon the guy beating
623
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:30.079
the woman.
624
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.239
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, her name was uh yeah.
625
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:41.159
So she stops this like yells at this man and
626
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:46.159
he stops and runs away. Oh it's the guy. It's
627
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:47.320
the guy that she keeps seeing.
628
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:48.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
629
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.400
So so the man that she has saw back in
630
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.880
London is there beating a woman in the alley that
631
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.480
she's walking by, and she stops him. And the girl's
632
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.719
name is Therah and she's supposed to marry that guy.
633
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.039
And she said because that she accepted help from a stranger,
634
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.079
she can't get married to this guy now, which she
635
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.280
doesn't want anyway. And then lisays like, why didn't you
636
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.119
come up and work at Oryan Hall for my aunt.
637
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:17.920
We'll take care of you. You can live with.
638
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.559
Us, Yeah, yeah, help us.
639
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.639
So there we go, so there yeah, and then we
640
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:28.079
have a name for the mysterious bad guy, Costa Donopolis.
641
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.360
And then she has her date with Demetrius, dancing and
642
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:33.960
Greek feast of.
643
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:38.199
Food yep opah.
644
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.400
It's pretty cool even then, you know, like the description
645
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.320
of the what they eat, it really makes you feel
646
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:43.840
like you're there.
647
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.760
Yeah. Yeah, he's very a descriptive writer, always and always
648
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:49.199
ask been.
649
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.679
And Demetrius is she tells the story of coming upon
650
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.119
this man being this woman. Now she saved her, and
651
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:01.639
Demetrius is like, you shouldn't have done that, and he's right, no, no.
652
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.679
Yeah, because what was it? What happens Nick?
653
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.719
Oh? Well yeah, but I mean.
654
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.079
What happens Nick?
655
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:17.360
Yeah, we can't but that would spoil the further into
656
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.079
the episode. Here, we can't tell him yet.
657
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.280
You can't tell him yet, but it's.
658
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:25.079
Yeah, it's his fault that that happens. Yeah, anyway, and
659
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.400
then here's where we get the She's laying in bed
660
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.079
at the top of the look at this place that
661
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:40.199
she hears singing, and there's a singing going on down
662
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.920
down the hill by the water, and she also hears
663
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.199
a sail coming in mm hm. So Lisa wants to
664
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:48.480
know what's at the bottom of the terrace. She's afraid
665
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.239
to go down the steps because every time she tries
666
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.440
she freaks out because of the hand they grabbed her.
667
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.119
She goes down, but she does go down the hill.
668
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.239
Oh that's right. She goes around the house and goes
669
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.400
down the hill and then she starts falling down the
670
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.320
hill and her tiny little skirt.
671
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.239
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
672
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.199
And that's when she meets the Michael Barry, the man
673
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:11.079
with red hair, who appreciates that she fell down that hill.
674
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.079
In that tiny little skirt. All right.
675
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.920
Yeah, he's kind of like a little bit like a
676
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:20.000
pervert talking about her her long legs, and.
677
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.960
He just doesn't So, yeah, Michael Barry, do you want
678
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.119
to talk about Michael Barry.
679
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:31.760
So he's a he's this charming archaeologist and he he's
680
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.320
described as having reddish hair, twinkling blue eyes, twinkling eyes.
681
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:39.000
Just like you.
682
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.639
He provides her like this historical context on Cyprus and
683
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:51.960
its storehouse of history. He tells her about Athena, who
684
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.880
was a local legend. She was the first mistress of
685
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.239
O'Ryan Hall, and he tells her how the villagers still
686
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:03.679
believe that she's prowling the terrace at Oryon Hall or
687
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:08.559
her spirit is especially on like you know, foggy nights.
688
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.800
And he hints that all the old women in the
689
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:16.400
village were staring at Lisa in the market because she
690
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.159
has a striking, striking resemblance to Athena. And he tells
691
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.840
and she's like really, and he's like yeah, and he's
692
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.920
to prove it. Go into the cellar of Oryon Hall
693
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.239
and there's going to be a full left portrait of
694
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.639
Athena there, and you'll see that the likeness is you know,
695
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.639
it's uncanny, and then she.
696
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.280
Does Yeah, he wants her to go into the cellar.
697
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.679
Yeah, trust that, No, because I've read enough Dark Shadows
698
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.800
paperbacks to know that you never go in the cellar
699
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.320
because that's where you normally get killed.
700
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.239
So we have a handsome stranger number two, but like
701
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:54.360
you said, he's he's a pervy. Yeah, he's kind of
702
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:54.760
a dick.
703
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.400
Yeah, and doesn't he take all of her clothes off
704
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.719
to nurse her back to health. He's got her naked, yes,
705
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:00.559
is naked.
706
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.719
Yes. He also tells her that he appreciates the view.
707
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:10.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny because this happens a
708
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:14.719
lot in the Trailsman paperbacks, where sky Fargo ends up
709
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.679
getting injured and then he awakens in some snugly cabin
710
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.239
where the hot woman has nursed him back to health,
711
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.400
but he's half naked, and then, of course those books
712
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.440
have to have three graphic sex scenes, so it always
713
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:33.119
leads to a porno. But but this is clearly Messman
714
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.559
at the precipice of coming up with adult western kind
715
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:37.480
of idea this year.
716
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.960
So yeah, this is apparently what he was into. Yeah. Yeah,
717
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:48.440
the nurse fantasy right, yep. So yeah, this is where
718
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.239
she hears and that night she hears the singing again
719
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.440
and she looks and uh, there's a foggy night, and
720
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.599
there seems to be a figure in a black cloak
721
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.440
standing down at the bottom. And there's also the sounds
722
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.239
of the oars in the in the water mm hmm.
723
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.159
And once again she's too frightened, so she goes to
724
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.440
walk around, but she doesn't fall down the hill this
725
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:15.119
time to the fog. She sees the figure and then
726
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.440
then there's more fog, and then the figure disappears, and
727
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.519
then and then the next day, no, no, wait, wait,
728
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.000
it's not the next day. So this is when they
729
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:30.360
hit her over the head. They hit So she's in
730
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.440
the fog, she sees the figure, figure disappears, and somebody
731
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.519
hits her over over the head and she tumbles into
732
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.760
the ocean. And here's another exciting action packed scene where
733
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.320
she's fighting for her life as she pulls being pulled
734
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.119
out to see yeah, and she yells for help and
735
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:49.800
who's there?
736
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.960
But was it Michael?
737
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.960
Yeah, he reaps her. Michael Barry. Is he trustworthy? Do
738
00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.880
you think that Michael Barry is trustworthy at this?
739
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.440
Yes? I think he is, because I think it's just
740
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:07.000
a uh, it's just getting us off the kind of
741
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:12.800
like getting us off the path. Oh, I didn't trust Demetrius.
742
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.119
No right out. You knew right right away.
743
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.960
I've read enough of these books to know.
744
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.880
If it's Yeah, because he's really handsome and charming, and
745
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.440
Michael Berry is he's gonna look in but you know,
746
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.480
like you said, he's a jerk. When she tells him
747
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.360
the story of what happened, he gaslights her hard. He's like, no,
748
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.559
little girl, it's just your imagination.
749
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:35.599
Yeah.
750
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.719
Yeah, yeah, you hit a tree trunk when you were
751
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.159
backing up because you were scared.
752
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:40.360
Yeah.
753
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:41.639
He's very condescending.
754
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:47.719
Yeah, can we talk about their now, even you've been
755
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:56.280
dying for the next The next day, poor little Farrah is,
756
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:58.039
she's out walking.
757
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.800
Don't forget the hat.
758
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.559
She's got a.
759
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.679
Dimetrius gives the sunbonnet.
760
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:10.519
Yellow sunbonnet, and uh, Sarah puts the sunbonnet on. Lisa
761
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.679
offers it to her to wear. So Sarah has this
762
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.440
yellow sunbonnet on and she's out walking on the road
763
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:24.239
and she's she's she's completely crushed, ran over into Smithereens
764
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.599
by a car, splattered splattered and kills her, runs her
765
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.960
over like spaghetti noodles man, but they want Obviously, it
766
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.480
was supposed to be Lisa wearing the yellow bonnet, but
767
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.239
it was Theah instead. So Sarah got rescued from the
768
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:43.599
domestic abuse, only to be killed in a hit and
769
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.920
run accident. Accident.
770
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:52.480
Yeah, and before she before Sarah goes out, Demetrius is
771
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.679
there and he's like, Lisa, Honey, I gotta go away
772
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.679
for a couple of days. Yeah, and but but if
773
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:03.880
you go anywhere, make sure you wear your sunbonnet. He's like,
774
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.239
do not leave without that.
775
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:10.960
It's like it's a it's a really big deal. It's
776
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.079
like a really big deal.
777
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.800
It's so obvious. Yeah, and then that happened. Then the
778
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.079
splatterfest happens.
779
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.599
There's a lot of stuff happening.
780
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.000
There is it's pretty exciting.
781
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.719
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff, a lot of yeah,
782
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:24.320
a lot of shape.
783
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.880
Throw it around because who's the first on the scene
784
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:32.840
after Pharah gets splattered. Demetrius, No, Michael Barry, Michael.
785
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.119
Yeah, Michael again, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, he just happened
786
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:40.880
to be there. Yeah. And then that night Lisa is
787
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.800
investigating the East Turrets, where apparently a the NFL to
788
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.599
her death. What Dimetris had told her. Yeah, And she
789
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:54.519
finds a hidden room mm. And then she ascends and
790
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.440
she discovers a loose stone there, which confirms Michael's theory
791
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.960
about how might have fallen.
792
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.360
No, they said that she killed herself. So she proved
793
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.079
that her grandma didn't kill herself.
794
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.880
Yeah, because the loostone was there, so she had Yeah,
795
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:17.519
I had fallen. But after she investigates this this room
796
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.239
in this East turret, she goes back to her room
797
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.519
and someone has placed a scorpion in her slipper. Yes,
798
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:30.480
nearly kills her, apparently, supposedly. I don't think a scorpion
799
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.039
will kill you, but there's some some maybe the Greek scorpions.
800
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.679
I don't know. I don't know anything about Greek scorpions.
801
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.559
I know, and when I was living in Arizona, they
802
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.360
said it's the little ones you had to look out for. Uh,
803
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.119
they were the most dangerous. But yeah, I don't I
804
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.559
think it would take a while for scorpion to kill you.
805
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:55.400
I like the German scorpions myself because they rock like
806
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.039
a hurricane.
807
00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:00.519
Oh my god. I was never a fan. I'm a
808
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:03.320
fan of the scriptionons I don't like his vocals. It
809
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.000
just seemed like light rock to me.
810
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.480
He's got a weird vocal style. He really does, all right,
811
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.159
Enough of that. The next night, the eerie whaling returns.
812
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.039
She starts to hear the whales in the fog again.
813
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:23.280
At night, blacked robed figures appear on the lower terrace,
814
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.000
shrouded in thick fog.
815
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.079
Mm hmm, what does she do? What does she do
816
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:29.840
to the figure?
817
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.039
This time? She's got a what is it?
818
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.679
She's holding it in it saysn't eight to run. I
819
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:36.599
don't know what that is.
820
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.639
I thought it was a tyre arm, that's.
821
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.239
What That's what I imagine in my head, something like
822
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.800
fire poker or.
823
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.000
Something something like that. And she starts like swinging it
824
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.519
at the figure. And now we know it's not a
825
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:56.719
ghost or anything, because it literally starts yelling stop. And
826
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.280
then she when the figure runs off, she discovers that
827
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.239
there's blood on the stones, confirming that yeah, this isn't
828
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.360
a this isn't a ghost. And then of course she
829
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.079
sees the rowboats again out in the water with their
830
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.159
described as their ghostly white sails, and again she's like, okay,
831
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:18.519
Michael Berry is her suspicion is Michael Berry again, and
832
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.199
he appears in a rowboat and.
833
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.960
Hold on, you're missing one very important thing. Oh yeah,
834
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.800
when before she's she's going to go out and investigate,
835
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.480
but she has to go into the ocean. You can't
836
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.199
go to the ocean in your clothes.
837
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.559
Eric, this is the bikini clad heroine right here.
838
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:43.800
Yes, so she puts Andy Sedaris style. She's in her bikini.
839
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.800
She is a hero. I will say that for some
840
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.239
of these books that we've covered, the women can be,
841
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.320
you know, not in charge, maybe just like float along
842
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:04.039
and people push them and there's they don't take any action. Yeah,
843
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.320
in this one she can ass.
844
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.800
She's not the vulnerable beauty. No, that we normally have
845
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:14.119
with with the with the beauty's running from the castle.
846
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.079
She's not a vulnerable beauty. She's a fighter. Yeah, she's
847
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:18.079
she sees.
848
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.679
That shadow figure out there, grabs the tyre iron and
849
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.719
just starts smacking them. Yeah. That is that's that's gold.
850
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:28.239
Yeah. And it's just another Uh, it's just more evidence
851
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.159
of who this writer is. This is a this is
852
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:32.800
an action writer. I mean, this is this same guy
853
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.679
wrote Revenger Jefferson Boomers writing Nick Carter Killmaster. So he's
854
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.719
he's injecting that into this into this character, which I
855
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:41.480
think is kind of cool.
856
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.679
It is it is exciting, mm hmm. So yeah, she's yeah,
857
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.280
she's entered bikini out into the water and she swims
858
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:53.119
around surging the property and then she finds the the
859
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:58.559
hidden waterway that leads to a cave. Yes, and inside
860
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.199
of that cave his boxes and boxes of.
861
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.320
Guns, Russian guns, Russian rifles, and ammo.
862
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.679
We're gonna add that to the Gothic limus test boxes
863
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.039
of guns checked. No, that's not something that's common in
864
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.280
these Gothic books. So yeah, but you know, I love it.
865
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:21.480
I'm loving it, loving it.
866
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:26.280
Eric Messman wrote he wrote these two nautical adventure books
867
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.320
called Logan and starting this guy named Logan and and
868
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:34.199
I think the second book is this plot. Oh yeah, yeah,
869
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.960
the cave of cave in the near the water that
870
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.199
the arm spugglers are using.
871
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.960
That's really funny because right after this book, I read
872
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:49.559
Operation Neptune right there, this is a spy book, and
873
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:51.960
it had the exact same plot, and I was like,
874
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.320
I'm gonna mess this up when we're talking about it,
875
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.119
because there's it's exactly the same. They find a cave
876
00:48:58.360 --> 00:48:59.960
and inside is gun smile.
877
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.320
Wait a minute, who's that author.
878
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:04.239
Christopher Nicole?
879
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.320
You think it's John Messman.
880
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.519
I don't know. I just I haven't wrote off the
881
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:10.559
review yet. I haven't looked.
882
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.000
So he was Claude Nichole, and he was Claudet Nicole.
883
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.239
He could be Christopher Nicole. Well, let's pause and.
884
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:20.679
Look, I gotta know.
885
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.400
Now, let me look on the spy guys and gals.
886
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.639
They'll have the real info.
887
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.800
Yeah, Randall's on top of it.
888
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.000
Yep, that's his real name, Christopher Nicole. All right. So
889
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.159
she is swimming down the waterway, yeah, and he hears
890
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:41.719
oars behind her, and it is Michael Barry again.
891
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:43.880
Yeah, he's rowing in.
892
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:48.280
He's angry, but he's really vague about what he's angry about,
893
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:51.199
Like what, like, what do you think he's doing there?
894
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:53.000
Why do you think he's following her?
895
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.440
Well, she thinks that he's angry because he's just discovered her,
896
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.599
discovering his secret. M that's what we think. And then
897
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.599
she ends up believing him to be involved in the
898
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:10.920
arms spuggling, so she strikes him with a rifle butt
899
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.119
and knocks Michael out. Yeah, black drops.
900
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:16.800
Michael, I love her.
901
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.199
Yeah. Yeah, she grabbed a rifle and swung it at
902
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:25.559
his face and uh and just then cost appears from
903
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:26.280
the back and.
904
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.960
Yeah, the bad guy, the bad guy that she stopped
905
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:32.880
from beating the woman.
906
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.400
And and does he hit Lisa because I know she
907
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.639
loses consciousness she like blacks out it.
908
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.079
Yeah, it just says he attacks her, but doesn't say yeah,
909
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:42.719
and then she passes out. I think he hits her.
910
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.320
I think I want to believe that he hits her,
911
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:51.000
because she's too strong to just faint, right, So she
912
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.079
wakes up and she's bound, and then surprised, sitting next
913
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.960
to her, also bound is Michael Barry.
914
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.559
Yeah. And then for a brief second year like, okay, well,
915
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.159
Michael's just doing that as a ruse. He's just pretending.
916
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.800
And then he's like, okay, sure, that's that makes sense.
917
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.920
Every leader of a smuggling operation wants to tie themselves up.
918
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:15.519
I didn't think it was a ruse. Did you think
919
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.679
it was a ruse? I was like, oh, she messed up.
920
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:19.719
Well, I thought it was Demetrius the whole time, but
921
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:21.519
this kind of like added a little bit of doubt
922
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.639
for me odd oddly enough.
923
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:25.599
This is what sealed the deal for me. So it
924
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.239
was the opposite, yeah, opposite. So yeah, the chorus guy,
925
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.159
the evil Greek guy, he comes in with the lawyer
926
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.559
from the beginning, so it was all set up. And
927
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.639
then they divulge their evil plans Scooby Doo style.
928
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:42.800
Yeah, they totally.
929
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.519
They tell us all what they were doing, why they
930
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.519
were doing it, and then they go away and Lisa
931
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:56.800
wiggles out of her her rope and she swims away. Yeah,
932
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.800
and she's where does she go? Where did she go
933
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:02.480
for help to the police.
934
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:06.519
No, well, she goes back to the she goes back
935
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:07.079
to the house.
936
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.239
She goes to Demetrius's house.
937
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.679
Oh, Demetriou's right, Demetrius's house.
938
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And he's like, what, oh no,
939
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.840
let me help you. Get in my car. We'll drive
940
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.719
over to the cave. Yeah. And then he's like on
941
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.119
the way there, he's like, did you tell anybody else
942
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.480
what this? Yeah?
943
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.119
And then you kind of like know that this yeah absolutely.
944
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.480
So yeah. Then he was like, well, I'm sure when
945
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.719
Michael wakes up, like he'll be fine. And then she's like,
946
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.239
but I never told you that Michael has passed out.
947
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:44.360
Yeah.
948
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.880
So then we find out that Demetrius is actually the
949
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.480
leader of the gun smuggling group. He's a bad guy
950
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:56.719
all along. She jumps out of the moving car. Awesome yep.
951
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.280
And then there's a chase scene to Oryan Hall.
952
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.599
All yeah, that's how we ended up back at the house.
953
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.800
Yeah. And then she tricks him into stepping on that
954
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.119
loose stone coming.
955
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.320
Back around he had cycles.
956
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:16.360
Then he flies off through him and then here's the
957
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.519
big save where she has to save the mansel in
958
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:20.559
distress Eric.
959
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:27.000
Right, so we have our intrupid hero Lisa. He's got Maggie,
960
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:29.320
she's got the well. I don't know if we really
961
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.960
talked about the one eyed old man named Nkos.
962
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:33.800
That just works there. Yeah, he just comes in and out.
963
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.039
I don't think it's that important until this moment.
964
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:42.079
And they have four hunting rifles they raise and they
965
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.079
raided the arms smugglers. K Here we got a a
966
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.280
bikini clad heroine, a dowager, an old man with a shotgun,
967
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:55.079
and they're going to take down the whole operation themselves.
968
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.880
Oh my god. I was like Gothic ever written this crazy?
969
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:05.000
Uh?
970
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.320
Yeah, So she's in her bikini, she goes down there
971
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:08.679
and she just sits at the end of the cane,
972
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.280
just lights it up. Boo boom boom boom boom boom boom. Yeah,
973
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.400
they just lay it down. They don't. I don't think
974
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.199
they shoot back.
975
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:18.599
They're I think they're more like surprised at this point.
976
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.400
I mean, with that group of people coming.
977
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.519
She's just like what, she goes in there and saves
978
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.199
Michael Barry. She saves the day he was the damsel.
979
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she realizes he's innocent. This all was
980
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.960
a deception of Demetrius. And uh, what was weird for
981
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.679
me because there is like this thing where Michael at
982
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:48.920
least are discussing this thing called psychic communication, which he
983
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.960
says may have had something to do with the fact
984
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:56.440
that she was like she was somehow experiencing some of
985
00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:00.199
the same strange feelings in paranoia that Athena had, which
986
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.719
was like the pomegranate thing. And but but it's explained
987
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:09.840
that the voices that everyone was hearing was a record player, yeah,
988
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.400
which you remember we read that one book that we
989
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.079
really liked where the Shadow Guest, Yeah, where there was
990
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.639
a record player playing making those sounds of the car
991
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:21.719
wreck and stuff.
992
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.039
I don't think it was a record player. Think was
993
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:30.920
the recording okay, yeah yeah yeah, because she was controlling
994
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.320
it from the bed upstairs.
995
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.280
Oh that's right. Yeah yeah yeah yeah it was the
996
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:35.199
audio thing. Yeah.
997
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:39.920
That was good. That was Was that the Hillary woe one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
998
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.119
That was probably the best guy that I've ever read.
999
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.599
This is fun, this is fun, right, but that was like,
1000
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:46.840
that was great.
1001
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.000
That was great. This is goofy fun. This is goodfie fun.
1002
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:55.119
But the fact that Michael and Lisa, like they argue
1003
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.079
a lot and they back her back and forth. But
1004
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:03.239
like he says something like because of their I don't know,
1005
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.920
the fact that they that they are doing this, they
1006
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:07.840
should just get married.
1007
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:08.800
Mm hmm.
1008
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:11.320
So they end up like saying, hey, let's go, let's
1009
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:12.440
good if Vermont and get married.
1010
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.519
Yeah it's wrapped up like really bad.
1011
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:18.840
Right yeah, so and they do.
1012
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.159
Yeah that's the end, and that's the end. Let's check
1013
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:28.400
the Gothic Novels of the twentieth century bibliography here that
1014
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.159
we've got and see if what Elsa J. Radcliffe has
1015
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:35.039
to say. Yeah, please mistress over Ryan Hall.
1016
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.760
Yeah, let's see what we got.
1017
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.920
Oh yes, it's in here, and there's a review. Oh wow,
1018
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.159
all right, I'm excited. I haven't read this yet. This
1019
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:46.000
is new to me.
1020
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:47.119
Fired up.
1021
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.320
Lisa goes to Cyprus and aunt Maggie as companion and
1022
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.880
interpreter at the family mansion Oryan Hall. Lisa soon becomes
1023
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:58.599
involved in the legend of the First Mistress, whom she
1024
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:03.679
resembles closely. A disappointing book. What the plot had so
1025
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:09.400
many possibilities, but the work was poorly crafted. Oh, the
1026
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.480
suspense is created by the technique of a scrape with
1027
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.440
death in every chapter. And I find that a dumb device.
1028
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:21.400
Oh wow, that's the whole gothic genre. Is that?
1029
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:26.679
I love how sassy these reviews are, like this is
1030
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.360
the kind of stuff you expect to see online, not
1031
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:35.840
in like this nice reference book. Yeah wow, I find
1032
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.639
that to be a dumb device. Eric dumb, It's dumb.
1033
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:43.440
This is dumb. So she was not a fan.
1034
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.440
She was almost disgusted in writing the review.
1035
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:48.280
She hated it so much.
1036
00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:50.719
Is it worth my time? This is dumb?
1037
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:54.639
That's so good? Uh?
1038
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:56.400
Do you want before we do the litmus test? Do
1039
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:58.400
you want to do a little quiz, like a quick
1040
00:57:58.760 --> 00:57:59.920
ten question quiz.
1041
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:03.039
I would love to sorry if I was reading the
1042
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.119
ends of the other investments just to see she enjoyed
1043
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.800
one she didn't like the Haunting of drum Row?
1044
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:11.880
Would you liked?
1045
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:12.400
I know?
1046
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:14.840
Does she have a circle of secrets?
1047
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.079
Circle of secrets? The story had possibilities, but was flawed
1048
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:24.519
by a clumsy plot, trade characters, and perils of Pauline
1049
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:26.639
type events. I don't know what that means.
1050
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:30.159
Hmmm, I have to look that up.
1051
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:34.400
Perils. Yeah, she's like fifty to fifty on the messman. Wow,
1052
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:36.880
all right, what's this quiz you got going?
1053
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.760
We got a ten question quiz. Okay, all right, so
1054
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.840
we've got ten questions. You're gonna be the one that answers.
1055
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:45.559
All right.
1056
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:48.760
What is the primary reason Lisa travels to Oryan Hall
1057
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:52.480
and Cyprus? Number one to inherit the property after relative's death.
1058
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.480
Number two to conduct archaeological research on her ancestors. Number
1059
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.599
three to escape from her life in Vermont. Number four
1060
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:03.239
to your aunt Margaret with legal batters and translation. Number four,
1061
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.880
got it correct? Are you okay? You're keeping track because
1062
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:09.880
I want to know my score at the end. Yeah,
1063
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.480
we're keeping track. On number two, what strange event occurred
1064
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.199
to Maggie during the ship voyage, she was kidnapped by pirates,
1065
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.599
she was poisoned by my serious traveler. She was nearly
1066
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.440
swept overboard during a storm. She lost her passport in
1067
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.480
travel Documents number three.
1068
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:27.920
But you know, you know what would be great, Eric,
1069
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.840
because you could write your own Gothic by doing cut
1070
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.280
your eyes and throwing dart at it like, okay, this
1071
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:37.119
happens next.
1072
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.000
You're right, I mean you could say she was poisoned
1073
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.840
by mysterious traveler and then just go with it.
1074
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:46.760
H correct, marvelous, I am marvelous.
1075
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.000
What is the name of the woman who supposedly haunts
1076
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.639
a Ryan Hall? Was it Thearrah, Lisa, Athena or Maggie?
1077
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:57.039
Oh fantastic, I got four pages of notes.
1078
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.840
You ain't You ain't got numbing off the er.
1079
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:04.639
Maybe he's a closed book quiz Why Why does Lisa
1080
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.519
feel a sudden intense fear in the village of Market.
1081
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.039
She's threatened by the lawyer, mister Burton, She's offered pomegranates
1082
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.280
fin an old woman. She recognizes her father in the crowd.
1083
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:16.519
She sees a ghost.
1084
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.199
You might have had me on this one if you
1085
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.679
hadn't made such a big deal about the pomegranates.
1086
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:23.079
Yeah, pomegranates.
1087
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.559
It is fantastic.
1088
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.079
Halfway here, what does Michael Berry do for a living.
1089
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.559
He's a fisherman, he's a lawyer. He's an archaeologist. He's
1090
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:33.559
a local tour guide.
1091
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.639
He is an archaeologist.
1092
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.840
Cheers, Go to the second half. Now, what item of
1093
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.159
jewelry does Lisa find in the hidden room of the
1094
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.880
East Turrets.
1095
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:45.239
Oh, it's a hard one.
1096
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.599
An ancient Greek coin, A simple gold wedding band, a
1097
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.719
jade ring set in a coiled silver serpent, A diamond necklace.
1098
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:59.199
Oh no, oh no, you asked me the jewelry question.
1099
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:06.840
I don't know this one. It I would guess number one. Actually,
1100
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:07.960
I think it's number three.
1101
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:12.480
I think it's number three. The jade ring, yeah, because
1102
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.199
I remember the serpent.
1103
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:15.599
I remember the serpent, all right?
1104
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.719
Yes? Oh yeah, that was luck. It was skin of
1105
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:21.800
my teeth on that one.
1106
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.639
How did Athena, the original mistress of rhind Hall, allegedly
1107
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:28.559
die She was poisoned, she died of old age, She
1108
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.199
was lost at sea. She fell from the East turret.
1109
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:33.039
She fell from the East turret.
1110
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:38.320
Good job. What is the significance of the portrait Lisa
1111
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:40.400
Fans in the cellar. It's a painting of the lawyer,
1112
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.000
mister Burton. It's a portrait of Athena. It looks almost
1113
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:45.480
exactly like Lisa. It's a map of the island. It's
1114
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.920
a painting of her mother, Athena. There you go, and
1115
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.079
I will say that this is something I didn't bring
1116
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:56.159
up in our discussion, but this is a classic Gothic
1117
01:01:56.199 --> 01:02:01.039
trope finding the painting that resembles the protagonist. This is
1118
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.519
in Frank Smith's Gothics where he wrote his Jennifer Hale.
1119
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.119
He's got a book called Trapped in not Trapped in
1120
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.800
Devil's Cave, Secret of Devil's Cave. I think it's what
1121
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:17.000
it's called. And the whole plot is this. And then
1122
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.960
there's another one that William Ross wrote that has the
1123
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.840
same thing. There's a painting and it's exactly like the protagonist.
1124
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.679
So it's just wouldn't I it wouldn't that be like
1125
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:29.360
a more of a trip of the classic Gothic horror
1126
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.920
than I think that they me maybe adapted to the
1127
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:32.880
Gothic suspense.
1128
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.159
Yeah maybe, So what would you uh, what do you
1129
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:37.920
think the root is?
1130
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:41.119
I don't know. I was hoping you wouldn't ask be Eric.
1131
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:45.400
Oh, it was a very sophisticated answer. I've got that.
1132
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.440
Who is just demetrious? A government courier who charms Lisa,
1133
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.960
an old gardner at Ryan Hall, the mayor of the village,
1134
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.599
the man who tries to kill Lisa in the fog?
1135
01:02:58.360 --> 01:02:59.800
Well, I don't think any of those are right.
1136
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:07.840
Wasn't he Uh? Wasn't he a government courier? Doesn't he
1137
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:08.639
work for the government?
1138
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:10.880
Is that what he did as a job?
1139
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:14.159
I thought it was. I thought he was like a government.
1140
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:19.360
You might have gotten but you just told the answer.
1141
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.400
He charms Lisa, Right, he does charm Lisa.
1142
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:24.719
She thinks we should go with it.
1143
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:25.800
Yeah, hit it.
1144
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:33.599
Last one? What happened to Lisa when she was on
1145
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.920
the parapet of the East Hurret she called the killer,
1146
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.480
She was nearly pushed to her death. She found a
1147
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.119
treasure chest?
1148
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.199
She what what happened to Lisa when she's on that's
1149
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:53.400
where she finds the loose stone? But I thought she
1150
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.480
was kind of like, no, she just trips over the
1151
01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.679
stone and she almost falls over.
1152
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:05.760
So that's going to be the closest thing to the answer. Then, right, Yeah,
1153
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:07.000
he nailed it.
1154
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:12.639
I did I told you correct? Oh?
1155
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.360
Yeah, and you're in the paperback. Is there these little
1156
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:23.159
Greek proverbs at the beginning of every chapter? Yes, okay, yeah,
1157
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:26.320
that's that's another thing, like this chapter ten, next year's
1158
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:30.239
wine is the sweetest the Greek proverb?
1159
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:32.679
Did you read them when you were reading? I never
1160
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.719
read the stuff like that. Yeah, I read them just guys,
1161
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:36.800
like just give me the meat.
1162
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.960
Like chapter nine says the varnish do not flee the
1163
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.400
ashes to fall into the coals.
1164
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.280
Are you ready for the limus test. We're giving two
1165
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:52.280
quizes now at the end of god things. Yeah, all right,
1166
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:55.039
here we go the Gothic litmus test to see how
1167
01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:03.239
God think this is. Yeah, trademark, Nick and Eric. So
1168
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.679
we have the cover art. Does it have a woman
1169
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:07.000
running from a house?
1170
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:08.960
Most definitely?
1171
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:13.119
Most definitely? Check? Does she have on a nice stress
1172
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:14.079
or pajamas?
1173
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:16.000
I think it's a nice stress.
1174
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:22.639
Yeah, yeah, that's a dress. Is there one light on?
1175
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:25.280
Yeah?
1176
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:32.320
Yep. And then we have our fimes. Is Lisa a
1177
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.000
stranger in a strange land?
1178
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:36.679
Yeah? She went from Vermont to Greece.
1179
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:43.159
Vermont, Greece. Check? Is there gas lighting? Check? Is there
1180
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.320
a handsome man with questionable motives.
1181
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:52.119
Yeah, Demetrious and Michael double check. Is there an inheritance,
1182
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.320
Well no, because they are always had the house. It's
1183
01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:58.280
always been in the family.
1184
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:08.519
Yeah, no, that's a no no. Eric. Is there romance yeah, Demetrius.
1185
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:11.280
Yeah.
1186
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:16.199
Oh is there a mystery? Yeah?
1187
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:21.199
The whole book is filled with mysteries. Yeah. Good there.
1188
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:25.400
You know what's funny is I lost the most recent
1189
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:27.800
copy of the Gothic Calypmus tests. I had to get
1190
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.199
the first one and then I was I had to
1191
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.679
watch our last episode to see what I said. But
1192
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:36.199
then you signed on, so I may have not got
1193
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:42.239
everything so prepared we are? Yeah. Is there hints of
1194
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:43.159
the supernatural?
1195
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:44.920
Yeah? Most definitely.
1196
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:47.599
Nurse type job.
1197
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:49.880
Translator?
1198
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.480
Nah, dude, she doesn't. I mean it's not a job though. Yeah,
1199
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.480
she's not doing anything. She's on vacation. And is there
1200
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:05.960
an isolated setting? Yeah, it's pretty good. We only missed
1201
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.159
two out of the nine, so yeah, one got double
1202
01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:14.159
because there's two handsome men with questionable motives. True.
1203
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.599
Yeah, yeah, so it's definitely a Gothic.
1204
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.920
It passes, Yeah, it passes.
1205
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:21.400
Yeah, it's a gothic.
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Eric, it is who knew what this new? Who knew that,
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01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:36.960
so imagine inheriting that house. Do you recommend this, Oh yeah,
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01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.079
especially to any fans of men's adventure.
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01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.079
How does it compare to the other the other two,
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the Haunting of drum Row and The Dark Mill? Do
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01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:47.880
you think it's better than those two?
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01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:55.000
Oh man, That is a tough question, because it's it's
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01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:59.920
more fun, but better in general? I think maybe as
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01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.039
the Haunting of drum Row because it had more. I
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01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:07.239
think it had a more. The mystery is stronger, and
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01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.440
the Dark Mill was I don't know. It was cool,
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01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.480
but I don't know. I think it goes hunting a
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01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.039
drum Row then the Mistress of a Right Hall than
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01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:19.560
the Dark Mill. What about you?
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I I'm just looking. I read I've read his Blood
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01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:35.920
Roots Manner, which I reviewed and said it was amazing.
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01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:38.359
I don't remember it though.
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01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:40.960
You didn't think it was dumb.
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01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:42.720
It was dumb.
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01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:46.079
Let me ask you this, Do you call any book
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01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:50.239
dumb on your on your blog and your two thousand reviews?
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01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:51.960
His book's dumb? No.
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01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:54.960
I normally don't do that. I try to come up
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with something a little more more discriptive.
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01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:57.159
Yeah.
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01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.319
Circle of Secrets is my favorite of the John Messman
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gothics so far, followed by this one that we just read,
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and Blood Roots Manner. But I haven't read Dark Mill
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or House at hawks End yet.
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01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:13.760
What about the Haunting of drum Row.
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01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.359
I haven't read that one either. Oh yeah, his gothics
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01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:22.600
are Blood Roots Manner, Mistress of Rhine Hall, House It
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01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.119
Hawks In, Circle of Secrets, The Dark Mill, The Haunted Heart,
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01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:28.760
the Chinese Letter, Haunting of drum Row, and When the
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01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:35.039
Wind Cries Wow. Then he also wrote three romance books
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01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:40.800
as Pamela Windsor. Those were Forsaking All Others, Rebels, Rapture
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01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.439
at Passions Tide. This was in seventy seven, seventy nine,
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01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.720
and eighty and those were all for Jove.
1244
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.520
And they were just straight romances.
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01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:51.760
Straight romance as Pamela Windsor.
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01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:57.119
If there's any action in them, that's a good question.
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01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.600
And also I forgot to mention this, but I was
1248
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.760
looking at my primer. John Messman started out in the comics.
1249
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:08.600
He started writing comics in nineteen forty. Yeah, he wrote
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01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:14.000
The Human Torch, sub Mariner, Captain Marvel, Junior nai Yoka,
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01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.720
The Jungle Girl. That sounds like something you'd like, Tex
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01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:22.399
Ritter Don Winslow of the Navy, and John Messman wrote
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01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:32.640
this book nonfiction Choosing a Pet. Choosing a Pet nineteen
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seventy three, cross It and Dunlop.
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Have you read Choosing a Pet? No?
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I have three.
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01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:41.119
Have you ever been in that conundrum where you just
1258
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.800
don't know what to do? You're like amster bird, I
1259
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:45.319
don't know.
1260
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.479
Yeah, that's how we ended up with Ralphie the Hedgehog.
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01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:52.840
Only you had that book, If.
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01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:54.479
Only I had that book, I could have ended up
1263
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:56.359
with a toad or something, or a rat.
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01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.640
You could have found the animal that suited you best.
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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:07.000
Yeah. But he wrote one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
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01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:11.279
twelve three. He wrote fifteen Nick Carter Killmaster books. He
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01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:16.800
wrote one, two three. He wrote six Jefferson Boone Handyman books.
1268
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:18.760
Heard of that one?
1269
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.640
Yeah, those are good. He wrote three Canyon O. Grady
1270
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:27.640
Westerns for Signet. In nineteen eighty nine. He wrote the
1271
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:29.600
two of the Logan books that I told you about,
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01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:35.000
Logan and Killers at Sea his standalone books. I read
1273
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:36.960
one of those, called The Deadly Deep. It's about a
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01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:42.880
sea monster. Terrible, but he wrote terrible. He wrote Phone Call,
1275
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:46.680
Jogger's Moon Bullet for the Bride. I read that one
1276
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.439
is good. He wrote the Last Snow, which is a
1277
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:51.640
standalone Western. I read that one just this year. It
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01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:52.079
was good.
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01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:54.199
Yeah.
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01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:59.279
Great. Just a great writer, just a great writer. So
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01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:02.840
I'm really really please with everything that he's done. But
1282
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.000
you can go to a Paperback Warrior on the desktop
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01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:08.840
version on the right side. Just go down to John
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01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.640
Mesman's tag and you'll see all the John Mesman stuff
1285
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:17.079
on Paperback Warrior, Paperback podcast episode, Paperback Worrier podcast episodes, primers,
1286
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:21.479
tons of reviews, you name it. Yeah, like I said,
1287
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:24.199
Like I said, most of his stuff has been reprinted
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01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:27.800
in physical and digital copies through brash books and cutting edgebooks.
1289
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:30.119
Well, I mean you obviously got the end. So why
1290
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:31.920
don't you pitch the idea of me and you doing
1291
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.800
the audio versions? Uh?
1292
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.239
Yeah, we really should talk about that. Yeah, we really
1293
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:42.039
should discuss that. Pitch it. Yeah, you know any anymore.
1294
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:44.800
I hate to say this, but I think audio books
1295
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:51.640
are definitely changing because nowadays I use Speechify, the app Speechify,
1296
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:53.520
and it reads the books to me and like fifty
1297
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:54.640
different personalities.
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01:12:55.159 --> 01:13:00.960
Hm. So I've seen any book? Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever,
1299
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.560
you have to have thedf you can.
1300
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:05.840
You can have the PDF, you can have the epub,
1301
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.199
you can have the moby, you can have it as
1302
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:09.279
a document.
1303
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.279
Yeah, but you gotta have at least something digital of it.
1304
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:15.760
Like you you know, how would you get the book.
1305
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.359
If you wanted to Literally you could just take a
1306
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.239
photo of every page and just have it read it
1307
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:23.319
to you. Oh wow, yeah, you could do that. But
1308
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:26.000
with Speechify, I pay one hundred thirty dollars a year.
1309
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:28.239
I'm not affiliate of Speechify, by the way, but I
1310
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.840
pay one hundred thirty dollars a year. And then with Speechify,
1311
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.840
I just give it access to my Amazon Kindle and
1312
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.239
it can read anything in my Amazon Kindle. And then
1313
01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:39.760
I just upload whatever whatever I download, you know, as
1314
01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:42.560
far as epubs go or PDFs off archive dot org,
1315
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:45.479
I just upload them. Speechify reads it to me and
1316
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:47.399
whatever personality I wanted to read it to me in
1317
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:50.159
then and then at the end, I can generate a
1318
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:53.000
summary as long as I want it to be ten minutes,
1319
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:56.760
fifteen minutes, whatever, or I can generate a podcast about
1320
01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:00.680
the book from a personalities no no, no, no, no, yeah,
1321
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.239
And you can even do it. We need know, late
1322
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:04.960
night talk show, you do it as a late night
1323
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:05.399
talk show.
1324
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:09.640
We need you, Yeah, we need your version, Eric.
1325
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:12.399
Yeah, no doubt. But I'm just saying that's but what
1326
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:14.800
I'm saying is audio books. I don't know if you're
1327
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.439
an if you're an audiobook narrator, if your industry is
1328
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:21.399
in peril, because why would they why would they need you?
1329
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:28.880
I mean some people like the human aspect. I would
1330
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:31.359
say that if I turned out, I started to listening
1331
01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.159
to audiobooks to get kind of caught up on some
1332
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.800
of the classics of genre fiction, so I can keep
1333
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:43.079
reading trashy stuff on my own, you know. But if
1334
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:45.279
I clicked on something and I and it was like
1335
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:48.319
a fake voice, and I could tell, I couldn't listen
1336
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:49.520
to it.
1337
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:53.159
You can't you can't tell, no way to tell, cannot tell.
1338
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:56.199
You can't tell it's a fake voice. And it will
1339
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.439
take it will take a like a half a second
1340
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:02.399
to read a paragraph first to get the tone of
1341
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.319
the text, so it can enunciate certain parts or express
1342
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:10.039
certain parts differently. It's not that we're past the days
1343
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.520
of Siri, you know, doing that mechanical computer voice. These
1344
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:17.800
voices all have personality. It's crazy, that's insane. So you
1345
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.000
could you could go and listen to Pride and Prejudice
1346
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:22.319
and Snoop Dogg would read it to you.
1347
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.000
I don't want that. I don't want it.
1348
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.439
Do you want Gwyneth Paul Treitis to read it to you?
1349
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:32.520
If she's really reading it? Yeah? What if she has
1350
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:37.399
at a different interpretation, the human interpretation of it. I
1351
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:40.279
would rather hear you read it, man, I don't want to. Like,
1352
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:42.680
I know, we can just record your voice and have
1353
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:46.359
Eric read us books, but I want to hear you
1354
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:50.159
do it, the Eric interpretation that.
1355
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:53.960
I think we are at a real crossroads for humanity
1356
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.880
right now. We're in a weird place right now.
1357
01:15:58.039 --> 01:15:58.720
Yes we are.
1358
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:01.680
Yeah, so it, but that's what AI thing is a
1359
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:02.800
whole different concept.
1360
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.960
Yeah, it's okay. They can tear you up in the comments.
1361
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.159
It's fine. They will. They will. I'm sure, I'm sure
1362
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:09.800
they will.
1363
01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:14.560
Yeah, it's all right, it's all right. All my back music,
1364
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.760
that's what it is. Yeah, you're not allowed to use
1365
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:19.439
real music on YouTube? What am I supposed to do?
1366
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.640
Yeah? Yeah, they've created this monster.
1367
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:26.079
If I was allowed and they were just a percentage
1368
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.399
went to John Coltrane, I would use John Coltrane all day.
1369
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.279
Long and he'd get paid. But no, you get there,
1370
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:34.199
it's like all or nothing. So I'm like, well, I
1371
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:40.399
got to make up this fake jazz sucks. Yeah, there
1372
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:42.039
you go, There you go.
1373
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.680
So we probably need to to uh choose our next book.
1374
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.399
We'll have to talk about that. See what I'm leaning
1375
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:50.520
towards Barbara Michaels.
1376
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:54.319
Okay, I don't think we've read anything by her. No,
1377
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:56.800
I have a lot of Barbara Michaels over there.
1378
01:16:57.159 --> 01:16:59.000
It's number nine Barbara Michaels.
1379
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:03.239
Right, all right, yeah, all right, Well let's get out
1380
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.000
of here, man. I got I got shirts to print.
1381
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:11.319
So thanks everybody for listening, watching slash listening, slash watching,
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01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.119
and we will see you next time later