Conversations - Bad Taste Books & The Book Graveyard

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Hello, Hello, Hello, This is Eric with the paperback. We're
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your blog, podcast and YouTube channel, and I've got my
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guest here. I got Nick here with the book Graveyard,
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and I've got Brian with Bad Taste Books.
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What's up, guys, what's going on? Eric?
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How's it going? Thank you for having me?
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You bet you? So we're going to talk about sharks.
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What you guys think about sharks.
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I love sharks. I love shark books. I love shark movies.
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Yeah, big fan of the of the Big Fish.
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You guys see Jaws when you were a kid.
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I did. I read the book too. It's one of
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the first full length adult books I ever read.
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Oh really, I haven't read the book.
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I have not either.
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People say I should, but I haven't yet.
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I was like ten, so I don't remember. Yeah.
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I remember seeing Jaws when it came on television. It
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was the first time I saw it. Was like the
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Sunday Movie of the week, like on ABC or something,
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and my mouth was like, I don't know if you
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should watch it, but we watched it.
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I just remember the Jaws ride at Universal.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It like traumatized me as a kid. As a kid, I.
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Don't know why, Yeah, they still have that. Where's that
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going now?
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I think that one's gone, but I'm not sure.
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I think I did that one right, maybe right before
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it closed up. Then I remember I remember doing it,
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like maybe ten years ago or something.
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Eric, you're in you're in Florida. Do you ever when
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you're out swimming in the ocean, is there ever any
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sharks stuff going on?
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No? But you know there's people that get they like
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get nipped all the time, my little baby sharks, because
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baby sharks go go up for everything they don't know
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any better, and a lot of nipping going on. But
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I've never been I've never been nipped.
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I gotta tell you. If I was nipped by a shark,
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even a baby shark, I'm calling it a shark bite.
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I'm telling everyone I was bit by a shark.
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Not.
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How big are we talking baby shark? Because I feel
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like I would just scoop it up, take it home
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with me.
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Yeah, right, So you had to stake it in the
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bath up have it?
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What kind of sharks do? What kind of sharks do
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the nipping?
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I don't know, I'm not sure. Yeah. And people when
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they go fishing those stumbs catch them, they'll catch baby bike.
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Sharks, baby tigers, baby hammerheads. Those would be adorable.
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They wouldn't be Yeah, yeah, it'll be nice. Of course
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they serve you know, they serve shark certain places.
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That's a coincidence, Eric, good tie into our book. It's
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in this book.
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Hey, do you guys Before we get into the book,
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do you guys want some shark trivia questions?
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Yeah.
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The last time we did a video, I think it
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was the Butcher when we did tractor trailer Talk, trucker Talk.
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All right, let's see what we got here.
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Love a good old Eric pop quiz.
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It's my mantra.
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Brian, do you remember any of the trucker talk you
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you had it all memorized. Cut palace, Oh yeah, pregnant
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roller skate?
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Was that pregnant? Yeah, pregnant roller skater or something like that.
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Yeah, like a BW bus with a person in it
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or something. I don't I don't remember it. It was
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just a b W bus.
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True or false? Sharks are older than dinosaurs true?
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True, Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah, sharks have existed for over four hundred million years.
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Give or ticket. You know, you're what's the largest shark
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species in the world. You got a grave white whale sharks.
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That's not a shark.
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Through, that's a whale shark. Was a shark?
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I've seen a whale?
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Is it a shark?
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Is it classified as a shark? I thought a whale
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shark was a fish or like it's gonna find out.
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I thought it was it was wheel shark.
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No, wait, I don't know.
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Am I right?
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Eric, I've got it. I've got whale shark. Yeah, it's okay, shark.
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I don't know though, it might be a fish.
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No, I don't know. Yeah.
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The largest the whale shark ever found was sixty one feet.
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It's pretty you know.
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I went scuba diving and I saw a whale shark
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in the wild. Did you really yeap off the coast
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of Thailand. Wow, it's just like the size of a
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small bus. Swam like ten feet under me.
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That would be terrified, it was, it was, Yeah, how
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many bones does your shark have?
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Mm hmm thirty six?
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Is this the true question? Zero?
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Yeah?
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Zero?
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Yeah, they're made entirely of cartilage.
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See what about what about their jaws? That's a bone?
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Yeah, to sche I've seen the like scar the shark like, yeah,
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the skull things, things all sharks must keep.
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Swimming or they will die, tru orfil all sharks, Yeah,
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must keep swimming or they will die.
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I don't think that's true for all sharks. Setting mud
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sharks sit all day long, shark.
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It's ridiculous. Should we kick them off? Those? No?
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Actually mud sharks?
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Yeah, he's right, yeah, because some can rest on the
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on the ocean floor like like it says her nurse sharks,
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which I don't even know what that is. Approximately how
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many teeth can a shark go through? And it's a lifetime.
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You got five hundred, two thousand, one hundred thousand, ten
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thousand to thirty thousand.
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Wow, I'm gonna say a thousand.
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I don't think that's one of the options.
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Was this.
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Good? Put me down?
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He could say what he wants?
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Really, I mean, all right, Brian's guess is a thousand?
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It was five hundred, Then what two thousand? I'll take
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two thousand, He'll.
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Take two thousand for two thousand dollars? Yeah, what did
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you say? Ten ten thousand? Yeah, freaking nick, freaky ridiculous,
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ten thousand and thirty thousand. Let's do one more. Which
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of these is not a tie of shark Goblin, cookie
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cutter ghost or zebra cookie cutter.
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M yeah, I think cookie cutter too.
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There is a cookie cutter shark, believe it or not?
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That's yeah. Yeah, no it's ghost shark.
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Oh no, that sounds so real?
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Does unless you believe in ghosts, because when a shark dies,
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it becomes a ghost.
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That's true.
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There are there are apparently ghost sharks, but they're actually
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chimara's close relatives of sharks, but not really true sharks.
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So and there's over five hundred species of sharks worldwide.
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Is that crazy?
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Crazy?
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So there we go. All right, So moving into this book,
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we're going to cover Shark Fighter, a nineteen seventy six
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paperback published by Belmont Tower written by Lynn Levinson using
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the name Nicholas Brady. You guys familiar with Lynn Levinson
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read any Lynn Levinson books? No?
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I have, but I can't remember.
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It was under a pseudonym, but yeah, he used and
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he used twenty two pseudonyms. Is this guy the king
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of pseudonyms? Yeah, twenty two pseudonyms. He wrote eighty three books,
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and Lynn Levinson wrote for all the you know, the
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major paperback publishers. He was falset guy Banta Dell, Zebra signet,
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you name it. He was born in Massachusetts, served in
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the US Army. He's a graduate from Michigan State University.
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I'm not gonna hold it against him. Im the Hoosier fan.
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He worked in New York City in advertising and he
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wrote tons of stuff like The Rat Bastards, The Sergeant.
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You guess probably have some of those books.
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I'm sure the Rat Bastards, but not a Sergeant. Yeah.
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The Rat Bastards I think is a little bit more
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in the wild than the Sergeant books. I don't see
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those nearly as much. He wrote Butler, Freedom Fighters, Skymasters,
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Pako's Kid. All those were series titles, but he was Yeah,
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I think he's probably like a journeyman type of writer.
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Like he's he's writing for money, and he wrote in
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just about every genre other than horror, which I was
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surprised me. But he's never he's never written a horrorook,
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unless she counts Shark Fighter as a horror novel.
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Did you did you read the the afterward? Yeah? The
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afterword and the PDF, yes, where he says he doesn't
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like horror.
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Yeah, he doesn't. He says he gets scared enough, but
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he you know he wrote like I said, he wrote
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Shark Fighter in nineteen seventy six, and the idea I
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think was I think it was originally Peter McCurtain's idea.
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Peter mccurtry was a popular editor, I guess, maybe a
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publicist into a degree or an agent literary or agent.
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his own, his own books under different under different names.
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But I guess the idea here was to capitalize on
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the jaws frenzy, right right, write a shark book. Done
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so in this book, have you guys ever you guys
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have a good copy of this book?
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I wish yeah. So I'm thinking it's a frame it
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and put it on the wall.
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Well in paperback collecting, I would say that that's one
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of the holy grail books. I've never seen it in
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the wild.
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Jake from Polmortem claims he saw at once and just
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didn't buy it because he was like, what's this stupid
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shark book?
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Oh my?
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He said it was a dollar. I don't know if
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I believe him.
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What an idiot.
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So I before this recording, I checked on a books.
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They have one copy listed for one thousand and seven
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and fifty Bucks.
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That's so wild. I wonder why that makes those books
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so rare. Do you think that it had a lower
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print run.
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I've often wondered that because Belmont Tower. I mean you
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see those paperbacks every I mean they're I don't know
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why books like this or like, you know, another another
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Holy Grail book is is Hunter's Blood, which was on Faucet.
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And again, you see fossil books all the time, but
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you don't ever see that book. Yeah, maybe it was limited,
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maybe a limited print run, but you had to think
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they're capitalizing on Jaws at that time frame. They would
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have published a lot or printed a lot of copies
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of this book, you would think. But it's definitely got
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a it's got a pulpy cover. It doesn't scream Jaws
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or anything like that. It's more of a pulp cover,
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I think. But I'm not sure who did the artwork
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on it. Meant to look that up.
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I don't think I ever actually looked up The original
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cover looks pretty cool.
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Yeah, yeah, it looks like something out in an adventure magazine.
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Oh nice, Yeah, it's pretty cool. This book thankfully was
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reprinted by Destroyer Books on a recommendation of Joe Kinney
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over at a glorious trash. So Destroyer Books reprinted the
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book in twenty sixteen, so even though the origin it's
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probably off the radar completely, but you can now get
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this book in print a paperback for ten bucks or
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four books in digital on Amazon, so you can definitely
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read it. I just just have to settle for the reprint. Well, yeah,
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says we're gonna as we're going to dive into that.
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Literally Bold Venture Press. They've free printed a lot of
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Lynn Levinson's books and his series titles, handline titles and
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then destroy your books. I think did eight or ten
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of his long out of print books as reprints as well,
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so you can get it there. For Lynn Levinson, I've
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read I think maybe three or four of his books.
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I'll never forget. He did a World War Two kind
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of pulpy trash novel called doom Platoon freaking amazing, freaking amazing.
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It's kind of like a like a sex romp sleaze
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kind of book, but it's amazing.
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Were the other books that you've read by him? Are
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they the same pacing as this? Yeah? Yeah yeah, And
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after reading this, I was like, if he does everything
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in this style, I'm very excited to go read more
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of his books.
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Yeah, he's uh, and he's blunt, like he's just he's
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in a lot of ways, he reminds me of like
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a trashier version of Elmore Leonard. Like like this character
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that we're going to talk about, Taggard is like an
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Elmore Leonard character just letting it, just lets it fly
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and just doesn't just doesn't give two craps about anything.
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So it's kind of like that, or or maybe even
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like Jim Thompson, but just less racist, kind of like that,
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you know. So, but had you guys, you guys have
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heard of this book before I pitched the idea? Yeah, okay,
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that's surprisingly neither one who get read.
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In just wait until I owned a copy, which would
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never happen. So I'm glad he suggested it.
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Right, Yeah, okay, all right, cool. So, uh let's jump
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into the water here and talk about this book. I'm
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gonna kick things off with Sam Taggart. He's our protagonist,
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and he's a he's a man's man. He's a skilled
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Navy trained diver, and he served in Vietnam as a
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as a frogman, which is what we call Navy seals today.
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And he's living the dream. He lives on his boat
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off the coast of the Republic of Makura, which it's
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like a it's a real place apparently, but I don't
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think it's quite the way that Levinson makes it out
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to be. I don't think it's it's quite like that,
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but it is a real place. It's in the uh
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in the Caribbean, kind of in the middle of Cuba
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and the Bahamas. But he lives on his boat, and
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I think he kills like like one shark a week
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and that hates him. Like he gets like two hundred
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and fifty bucks a week and he sells the shark
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to the local the local restaurant, and that's how he
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makes his living. So I don't know, could you guys,
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Could you guys, you guys live off hundred fifty dollars?
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I guess back then you couldn't.
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So I just actually did the math on it, and
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with inflation, I can't. I didn't write it down, but
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he it's it's it's like one hundred thousand dollars, Like
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he's doing just fine one hundred thousand with inflation, Like
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if it was if he was making that amount on
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the shart like, it's the equivalent. So I was kind
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of like, is that what beach Bum's made? Back then
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I'm depressing out.
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Yeah, that's plenty, especially if he already owns his house boat.
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Yeah, he owns his boat, and I has to pay
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for his gas, but it doesn't seem like he really
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uses a lot of gas. He doesn't. And the and
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the island itself is only eighty miles top the bottom.
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Yeah, alls you got to pay for is the food,
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the hooker's ganja an alcohol. It's sad, dude, Yeah, I
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mean you heard just fine.
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Yeah.
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Also, I love how on the first page he's just
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described as a six footer Yeah.
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Yeah, they relating them to the.
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Shart six footer, barrel barrel chested guy.
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I was really surprised because that's that is the only
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way to describe him. And then at the very end
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they're like and then his long blonde hair was flowing
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in the pool, and You're like, that's not how I
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pictured him at all.
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No, No, I kept picturing Uh. For some reason. I
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kept picturing Uh, Kurt Russell. I don't know why. Like
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snake sink Pilson's attitude. I like that, but and it
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it kind of fits because doesn't he does he lose
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his eye at the end of this book. Yes, So
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it's like it's perfically he is. But this this area
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that he's in, Makura, it's this tropical island, but it's
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it's got gambling, it's it's like a resource for tourism,
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but it's got this corrupt, oppressive government with secret police.
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So that kind of plays into the into the book.
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But first chapter, right out of the gate, we get
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Taggart killing these uh these makeo sharks and he's got
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this pneumatic spear gun, which I want one of these now, obviously,
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and uh he ends up I think he ends up
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shooting two sharks, but then he swims down and he
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ends up. He puts a hook through the shark's eye
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and then he just hauls it up, which I was.
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Like, this is freaking incredible.
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Yea, the whole book.
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Yeah, don't don't the spears explode to right, They're like, yeah, spears, yeah.
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Yeah, they And he was talking about like in the
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past he shot like a lemon shark and he's talking
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about like the edwards exploding out of the shark's stomach
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and then the shark eating itself eating its own introlls.
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Like I was like, oh, Nick is love and reading this.
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It was just the first chapter. I was like, this
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is freaking amazing, Like I'm gonna love this book.
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Yeah. You know how they say that Peter Benchley felt
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really bad after Jawls and like all the damage this.
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I guarantee that he didn't think about that.
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Probably not. Yeah. I was surprised too because I about
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the explosive thing. I didn't know that was like a thing,
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but yeah, it literally explodes inside the shark.
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A lit'll blow off like part of their heads.
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Yeah. Yeah. And down here in Florida they have I
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don't know what they're called. Maybe you guys have heard
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of these, but for gator hunting they have these. It's
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just so in it's just so bad. But they have
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these hammers, like little tiny hammers. And at the end
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of the hammer is a thirty eight special round. So
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when the gator comes up to the boat, they lure
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them in with food and then they take the hammer
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and they smack them on the head and it makes
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the round go off, and then they kill the gator
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that way. Isn't that crazy?
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Why wouldn't they just use the gun.
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I don't know why they don't just shoot, but they
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just smack them on the head with the hammer and
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it makes the shell go off, and they kill them
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that way.
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It seems they it'd be dangerous for your hand, your arm.
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And there has to be some reason why they're doing
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it that way. But I don't know.
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I guess it is you miss, but then yeah, there
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goes your hand.
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Yeah, they just smack. They just smack him right on
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the top of the head. It's crazy. Yeah. I almost
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ran over a gator the other night. I was coming
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into the neighborhood at like three am and there's a
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huge gator just laying across the road and I almost
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frame right over it.
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Wow.
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Yeah, we have him in the neighborhood.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah. But you guys, you guys were like fully on
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board after this first chapter. You're like really geared up
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for this.
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean I was like, oh, the main
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character is like a dick, but it's still cool. It
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was still great.
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Yeah, I was a hipers on board. I was like,
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this is amazing.
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Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I can read about him.
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If he's a dick, I don't care. It's not real.
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He doesn't. I mean, he just says at the beginning
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how much He's like, man, I really love killing these sharks,
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Like even if I didn't get paid, I would still
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kill these sharks.
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He's like, I just want to kill the bastards.
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I just live killing.
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Yeah, so he's, uh, he sells the shark that he
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just killed to the restaurant, gets some money. He ends
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up meeting this eighteen year old horn eighteen I named
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Pamela Thompson. She's on she's like asking him about his shark,
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and he's she wants him to take her shark hunting.
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He doesn't want to have anything to do with her,
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so he just picks her up because her burg and
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dumps her in. Yeah and a few taps, Yeah, she
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keeps showing back up, but yeah, she she's uh, she
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just really wants wants him for some reason, and.
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She wants him to take to take her shark hunting.
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Yeahs I do.
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I really I really thought it was awesome that he
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was like, she's he's they stay that she's eighteen, but
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he's still like you're a kid, Like I don't want
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anything to do with you. And I thought that was awesome.
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Yeah, he's like year old, yet in the same breath
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he says, looks like she has twenty eight.
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SE's well, I mean he's not blo Ryan, He's not
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dead there, the plumbing still works. He just knows better.
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I just thought that was cool. Yeah, he'd rather have
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the experienced ladies. Very He's a very important character too. Yeah.
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Yeah. So he's he's at the bar. He's eating I
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think a lobster or something, and this guy, Hector Ramirez
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talks to Taggart and he he's got word that Taggart
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is a is a good diver on the island, and
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so he proposes to Taggart to pay him to dive
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down and retrieve this box. And Taggart's like, seems fishy,
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Like what's what's in the box? And then if it
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finds out it's heroin. Taggart's like, all right, whatever, I
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don't care. And so he's like, yeah, I'll do it
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for a five grand and so they plan on meeting
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up at Ramirez's hotel room to work out the arrangements.
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And then after that Taggart visits a woman in town
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named Susan and this is his favorite girl to bang.
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So he's a and she's like, you show up all
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the time and all you are is just horny. And
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she clearly has like some feelings for him, and he
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I never got any suggestion here that he has feelings
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for her. He dis likes her body. He just likes
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to bang her, which is a problem because the secret
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police on the island. Right after he ends up banging Susan,
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the secret police show up and they arrest him, and
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they take him to take him to jail, and there
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Taggart has to He meets up with the crooked chief
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of police and they tell Taggart knock it off, like
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you can't. You can't be banging Susan because Susan is
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the favorite delay of some prominent guy on the island,
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which we think is the price of it, but but
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apparently it's not. It's somebody else. And Tagard knows, like
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the secret Police do horrible things to people there, like
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there's like a torture basement and horrible things happen there.
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But Taggart's like, f off, I do what I wanted
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to and I'm going to continue.
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Yeah, he does, and he says that to everybody, But
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I'd also like to point out and I thought this
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was also really cool. It stated in the beginning that
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he doesn't really he's like almost depressed, like he doesn't
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care about about living. Yeah, he has like I would
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even mind that these sharks aided me ate me, Like
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I wouldn't even Yeah, So, like he kind of explains
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his whole attitude throughout the book where he's when every
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time someone like gives him shit, he's just like whatever.
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Yeah, Brian, do you think do you think Taggart has
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a death wish?
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I don't think he has a death wish. I think
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he just does like Nick says, like he doesn't care,
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like if he dies tomorrow. I don't think he wants
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to die. But if he does, I don't think it
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matters to him. And and that's another thing with these characters,
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like even you know, the very minor ones, they feel
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very real. Yeah, Lenn Levinson did a good job of
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flashing them out enough so that I could like they
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felt like real, lived in characters. But he didn't like
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spend endless amounts of time. He does it very quickly,
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and it's yeah, it's I don't know, he does a
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good job.
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Yeah, it goes back to what Brian was saying. Earlier
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about Nick was saying about the pace. Yeah, he's got
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a tremendous pace in the book, like you just it's
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just one thing right after the other, quick, but enough,
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like he said, to make you still care, which is
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a real talent, I think. But so the police basically
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just warn him to stay away and then he leaves.
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He meets up with Ramirez at his hotel room. And
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this is where he meets Ramirez's wife Maria, and he's
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He's like, she's a beautiful Latin woman. He's like infatuated
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with her. Immediately, Taggard agrees to the deal of the
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five grand to dive down and take up the box
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of heroin, which is worth like what do they say, Like.
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I thought it was a million.
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Yeah, it was like over a million of top that
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was worth a heroin And then Tagger meets this Later
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he goes to the bar again. Dogger spends a lot
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of time at the bar and he meets a woman
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there's who's on vacation, I guess, and she's married, and
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he convinces her to go back to his boat so
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they can have sex. And when he gets back to
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the boat, guess who's there. The eighteen year old Pamela
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and Brian. I think he wrote something on your and
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your phone notes about this encounter.
487
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:46.240
Well, yeah, so there's a catfight and this is a quote.
488
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:49.160
It says get her in the tit and kicked her
489
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:56.279
in the cunt. And then after and then he takes
490
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:58.400
Pamela and he throws her into the ocean for like
491
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:01.319
the third time in this book. And then Michelle, this
492
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:09.400
rich lady, says, so you like a woman with vanesse eh.
493
00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:11.200
And then uh On zips his pants and goes to town. Yeah,
494
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:16.279
some mis bordering on just male fantasy at this point. Yes, yeah,
495
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:21.200
it's just total total fantasy. Yeah. Which, yeah, I think
496
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.079
in the uh In at the end of the book,
497
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.079
when we're Levits is talking about this this book, I
498
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:27.799
think he says something like this is kind of just
499
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.759
a dream to live on a boat and yeah, and
500
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:31.920
live thus kind of lifestyle.
501
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:33.200
Yeah, it was his fantasy.
502
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:34.880
Yeah, yeah, he had knew that.
503
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.799
You know what's funny is during the fight, the eighteen
504
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.720
year old scratches the face of the middle aged woman,
505
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:43.960
and all I could think of was, like, she has
506
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.160
to go back to the hotel. How's you gonna explain that?
507
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.240
Yeah? Yeah, the husband's going to ask some questions, like
508
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:52.400
what's what's going on here?
509
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:53.079
Yeah.
510
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.640
Chapter four is like probably the most explosive chapter in
511
00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.480
the whole book. Taggart goes diving. He takes a Maria
512
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.480
and Ramirez out on his boat so he can go
513
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.440
get the heroin. Tagger dives down with Maria because she
514
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.960
wants to accompany Taggart on this dive, and Ramira stays
515
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:16.039
on the boat and Taggert dives down. He kills at
516
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:20.359
least two sharks I think with his spear gun. He
517
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.559
gets the box of heroin, comes up to the boat
518
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.799
and then we see mafia goons coming up on another
519
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.079
boat with I think there's like ten of them, and
520
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.000
this is like like this is like mac Bolan craziness here.
521
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.039
I'm like, how are they gonna get out of this
522
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.319
mess that they're in with these guys coming with obviously
523
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.119
with guns and they're on a boat and Taggert he
524
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.400
anchors their boat and then he dives over and swims
525
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.880
like under the the goon's boat and he uses the
526
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.319
spear gun him blows the bottom of their boat out.
527
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.279
And then this is crazy as it's like this the
528
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:59.279
boat sinking those ten bad guys are floating in the water,
529
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:01.720
and Haggart becomes a shark.
530
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.799
Yes, and he.
531
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.720
Attacks each one of them with his with his bayonet. Yes,
532
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:15.880
And it's awesome. And I was like, if this is insane. Yeah,
533
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.519
it's literally just floating corpses and entrails as he's disembowed
534
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:21.559
all these bad guys.
535
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.480
Yeah, it was just amazing.
536
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.640
I didn't think of him as being like a shark,
537
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:27.720
but that's yeah.
538
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.400
Yeah, he's praying and on human prey this time, and
539
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.400
it was it was just he finds that there's this
540
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.640
there's one goon that escaped this carnage. So when he
541
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:40.359
gets back up the boat, he sees that this guy
542
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:46.599
has killed. Uh, Maria and Ramirez. Yeah, I thought they
543
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:51.000
were going to be prominent characters. Yeah, so I thought
544
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:52.559
Maria was gonna stick around. I thought he was gonna
545
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.279
be like a main main character. But not really. And
546
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.519
then Taggart takes the box of heroin because at this
547
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.240
point he's like so he goes and hides it in though,
548
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.400
like on a reef where he knows where it's at.
549
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:10.160
And then it's the craziest thing. The next chapter, tagger
550
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.640
he goes to the police and reports that his boat
551
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:19.000
has been stolen. Just like I was like, there's no
552
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.160
way that this is going to pass the muster. There
553
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.559
there any cop that's going to know something's up here.
554
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:28.160
He says that these two uh yeah, basically came out
555
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.599
of the ocean and stole his boat, and the police
556
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.119
chief makes this obvious observation. He's like, well, how did
557
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.240
they get out there? They had to have a boat,
558
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.640
n right, Why would they be stealing your boat if
559
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:43.279
he had one? And then Tagger doesn't like, he doesn't
560
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.599
think sometimes stuff like that. He's kind of like a
561
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:47.680
just an action man.
562
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.160
Yeah, he doesn't care. Yeah, he doesn't care that if
563
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.000
they believe him or not.
564
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:57.119
He's like, and they didn't. They don't, they don't believe them,
565
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.400
and they immediately throw him in jail. It's like this
566
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:05.319
is and his boat is like riddled with with gunshots
567
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.279
and bullet holes. Let's got bullet holes all over it?
568
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.359
Is this the part where they give him the backstory
569
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.559
of who Ramirez was and who the what was going
570
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.880
on with the yeah guys, And like I thought that
571
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.960
that's the I thought that was going to be the plot.
572
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.119
Yeah right, spoiler alert.
573
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.000
So that's Yeah, that's an interesting point to discuss, is like,
574
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.920
all these things that have been happening are all interesting.
575
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.920
I was loving everything, every side plot, every like little
576
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.720
adventure he's going on. But it's almost like the first
577
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.960
half of the book has almost nothing to do. Get
578
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.119
you read half the book before you're introduced to the
579
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:42.640
main plot.
580
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.519
Mm hmm. Yeah. The only one from the beginning besides
581
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:51.119
the main character is the the police chief. That's the
582
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:52.920
only one that like lasts throughout the book.
583
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.519
Yeah. I was, like you said, Brian, I was thinking, like,
584
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.720
we've got a freaking series title here, like this hold
585
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.279
Taggart fighting these goons could be a whole paperback in itself. Yeah,
586
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.240
and then Taggart, you know, doing the shark. The Shark
587
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.319
fight is another book, And I mean this could have
588
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.640
just kept going on and on. But yeah, a lot
589
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:18.440
of stuff happens, but uh yeah, so it was it
590
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.319
was just crazy that how fast everything takes place. But
591
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:25.599
uh but yeah, Taggart, he's in jail. They just stick
592
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.079
him in jail, and this has got interesting. This is
593
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.640
how corrupt this place is. The chief wants the heroin,
594
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.559
so he pitches the Taggart that if he'll if he'll
595
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.480
show him where the heroin is and get it for him.
596
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.759
He'll give him. I think it was fifty thousand dollars.
597
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.319
A lot, Yeah, a lot of money.
598
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.160
And and I was under the impression of the Taggart
599
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:46.640
really does it. Doesn't even care about money.
600
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.960
He justly he just wanted money to fix things on
601
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.480
his boat. He wanted to air compressor to put on
602
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.200
his boat so he wouldn't have to go charge it.
603
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.000
And I was thinking, like, if he had fifty thousand dollars,
604
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.119
I don't know what would really change, you know, what
605
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.200
whatterally change in his life? For the thousand more hookers,
606
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:03.680
I guess.
607
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.240
Maybe, Yeah, I think you just buy stuff for his boat.
608
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:09.799
Yeah, it's I think he's still probably end up what
609
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:13.759
he still Charcott, do you think, Yeah, he has to write.
610
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:15.880
I think he likes the danger of it.
611
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.400
Yeah, makes him feel lave Taggard.
612
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.960
He ends up accepting the deal. He goes and gets
613
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.920
the heroin it, gives it to the police chief. Then
614
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:27.720
Tager wants to spend some of this money, so he
615
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.559
goes to a nice hotel. He strikes up a conversation
616
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.359
with this woman named Alison, who he says is another
617
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:39.839
another beautiful woman that he's infatuated with, and her husband
618
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.400
is this uh oh is this kind of like a
619
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.119
uh it's her boyfriend or boyfriend have boyfriend? Sorry, He's
620
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.079
like I've I kept thinking like this guy's like a
621
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.359
Ted Turner guy, like he has his hand in like everything.
622
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.039
M yeah, but he doesn't really say what he is.
623
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.240
He like he's like an oil man or is it
624
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.160
like an oil taccoon or something, or doesn't really.
625
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.680
I thought he mentions that he owns what is it
626
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.519
one of the resorts or a couple of the properties
627
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.200
or something in Macira and that's why he's here. But yeah,
628
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.480
he seems like he does a whole bunch of different things.
629
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.839
Yeah, okay, Well they get into like this philosophical debate
630
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.640
between Jones and Taggart where Jones like he takes a
631
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.039
phone call or whatever and he has so he's like
632
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.839
I just bought a railroad and Taggart's like not impressed
633
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.799
at all, Like Tiger's like, you guys are all the same.
634
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:27.440
I don't really you know, don't really care about your
635
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.359
business or any of that stuff. And Taggart's telling him
636
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.440
that he kills sharks and so the two of them
637
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.640
are basically like going back and forth on whose pecker
638
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.079
is larger. Yeah, Jones is like, I'm a business guy
639
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.960
with lots of money and tigers, like I killed sharks
640
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.680
and right, I mean that's yeah kind of how that went.
641
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.599
But and the guy is like, I could I could
642
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.400
buy you and he's like you could never buy me. Yeah,
643
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.160
and it is like, how about a million for I'm
644
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.559
sorry what we'll get to that he kind of does get.
645
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.920
They Yeah, they get into like the heated argument or whatever,
646
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.079
and then Taggart flips him the bird and walks off.
647
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:06.720
Yeah. They're really trying to do it in front of
648
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.039
his wife too, because they're basically just both trying to
649
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.640
impress her. Yeah right, girlfriend, girlfriend, whatever.
650
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.519
Yeah, and obviously I think she's like drawn to Taggart
651
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:18.880
and his bravado.
652
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:19.880
His masculinity.
653
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:21.880
Yeah, it impresses her.
654
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.480
It impresses them all, Eric, all the ladies on the island.
655
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.319
It would impress me. I mean, let's face it, this
656
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.880
is the chapter six.
657
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.960
Is a slower.
658
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.720
Chapter six. So Taggart is again at the bar because
659
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.920
a lot of things happen at the bar, and he's
660
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.480
talking to this New York woman she's on vacation. She's
661
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.640
just casually sitting there drinking with two of her female friends,
662
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.839
and Tagger just he doesn't beat around the bush. He
663
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.079
just says, Hey, why don't you three come back to
664
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:58.319
my boat and we'll have an orgy.
665
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.960
It pretty much says, I mean, that's kind of the
666
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.599
same thing to every woman he meets. Yeah, like, just
667
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:05.640
no wooing them.
668
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:07.480
It works more often than not.
669
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.360
Yeah, And the New York woman is like, that's disgusting.
670
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.199
She's like, that's one of the foulest things anyone's ever
671
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.400
said to me. And this redheaded guy comes over and
672
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.119
he's like, is this the classic, ma'am? Is this guy
673
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.679
giving you a hard time? And she's like yes, And
674
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.920
Taggart basically tells him to shove it up his tail.
675
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:33.599
And then the guy's like, say that to me again.
676
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.599
He's like, shove it up your tail, but not quite
677
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.920
like that. It's a little bit more crass. And so
678
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.920
they get into a huge brawl, and guess what. Tiger
679
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:49.679
gets arrested. Is this his third time getting arrested. He
680
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.760
gets arrested a third time, and and this time the
681
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.559
Chief's like, just stay away from this bar, like I'll
682
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.880
let you go because I got my heroin. I'm just
683
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.920
stay away from this bar, don't go there again. And
684
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.519
Taggart's like, okay, I won't go there again. And instead
685
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.719
Taggert goes to this place called the Crystal Palace and
686
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.199
he picks out three women that he wants to do
687
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:14.320
the the orgy with.
688
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.440
He wants one Asian, one white, and one black.
689
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:24.800
Specifically yes, non racist.
690
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.519
Yeah, he looks a lot of weed, just like between
691
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.639
every couple of scenes he's like, and then he hits them.
692
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.159
Gotcha right?
693
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:39.039
He ends up I guess Alison her husband. I think
694
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.440
her husband goes away or something. He's he's out of
695
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.960
the out of the off the island, and so she
696
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.719
ends up meeting up with Taggart and they end up
697
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.679
going to this uh because she she's she's she's a
698
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.440
drawn to Taggart. So he ends up putting on her
699
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.320
on his boat and they go out to this lagoon
700
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.079
and they end up having uh having sex. And but
701
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.599
when they when uh, I guess when Jones gets back
702
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.239
into onto the island. We're already like into the second
703
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:07.599
half of the book at this point, but this is
704
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.239
the main premise of the book. Is that he makes
705
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:15.079
a pitch to Taggart to have a shark fight. He
706
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.559
wants Tagger to fight two sharks in a freaking Olympic
707
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:27.159
size swimming pool. Are two million dollars. Yeah, and that's
708
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:28.760
the whole idea of the book is so he.
709
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.800
Can broadcast it across the world. It's going to be
710
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.239
the biggest thing.
711
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.039
Yeah, it's they didn't have pay per view back then,
712
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:39.599
but it's going to be close Stark at TV, so
713
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.639
I could get aired all the bars two million dollars,
714
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:44.920
He'll fight two sharks in swimming.
715
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.920
Also, we should point out that what was the the
716
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:53.880
woman's name that he is infatuated with Allison Alison. When
717
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.360
he's first hitting on her, she's obviously she's attracted to
718
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.760
his masculinity, but she tells him that he doesn't have
719
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.360
any money. Like, she's like, I'm gonna be upfront with you. You
720
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.000
don't have any money, so I'll never be with you.
721
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.000
She's very honest. She's like, hey, I'm a gold digger.
722
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:08.760
It is what it is.
723
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.719
Yeah, So it makes more sense that when he offers
724
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.719
him that job where he's like, I'll give you a
725
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.920
million dollars and he's like okay, and I feel your woman,
726
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.159
she'd be with me because for some reason, he's really
727
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.239
like he really wants this woman. He might actually have
728
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.800
a feeling, yeah, which is weird besides his own, you know,
729
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.280
satisfying himself.
730
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.440
Right, And she, like you said, Brian, She tells him,
731
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.599
I could never be a beach bum's wife. That's not
732
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.920
a desire that I have. But they kind of go
733
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.119
into like this tumultuous relationship where they get it on,
734
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.920
but then Alison she ends up really liking him, so
735
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.480
she ends up breaking it off with Jones. She tells Jens,
736
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.599
she leads him a note and says, hey, I'm a
737
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.320
rand off with Taggart. Thanks for all the great times
738
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.960
and the great memories, but I'm moving on to Taggart,
739
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.239
which obviously creates an even more of a rivalry between
740
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.639
Jones and Taggart. But Jones needs to Taggart as a
741
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.360
sort of a cash cow. He's become an attraction at
742
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.679
this point because now this pay per view fight or
743
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:22.280
whatever you want to call it, with a shruck fight
744
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.000
is going to be a national spectacle. But it's going
745
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.719
to put this island on the map. It's got a
746
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.840
huge potential to earn a lot of money for everyone involved.
747
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.559
So Jones is like kind of stuck with Taggart in
748
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.760
a way. He stole my woman, but he's also my
749
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.760
cash cow for this.
750
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.400
He gets the loss of Allison pretty quickly. He says,
751
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:42.360
I can buy another one.
752
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.719
Yeah right, Yeah, he gets to buy another one and
753
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:50.280
uh and Taggert goes through like this weird thing now
754
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.599
because he's like almost depressed because he has all this
755
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.199
attention on the island and it's like not his normal thing.
756
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.480
So he ends up becoming like this drunk. He's just
757
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.440
drinking all the time. He's not One of the deals
758
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.000
in the contract was that he has to has to
759
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.599
be in the pool exercising and working out two hours
760
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.320
a day to get ready for the shark fight. And
761
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.360
if he just stops, he just stops working out, he
762
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.440
stops getting in the pool because he's drunk all the time.
763
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.920
And the drums in the background from the shark cult
764
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:23.880
is not helpful.
765
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:27.440
Yes, yeah, there's this shark cult that says that he's
766
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.239
gonna get ravaged by sharks.
767
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:39.239
They're angry, yes, that he's he's upset the the balance, yeah,
768
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.480
the balance, yeah, right, the balance of nature when he
769
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.519
was out there in the ocean fighting the sharks, it
770
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.119
was on their territory there, you know, it was it
771
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.239
was free, it was natural. But now that it's like
772
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:57.840
this competition in this pool that it's offensive to the sharks.
773
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.320
I thought it was interesting too. Once he gets he
774
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.559
starts doing all these interviews and press junkets, Glenn Levinson
775
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.920
kind of uses this as a way to like explore
776
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.639
a lot of the morals and stuff of what he's doing,
777
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.119
which I thought was interesting. Like they talk a lot about, like,
778
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:15.960
you know, like you said, the balance of nature, the
779
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:21.440
killing of animals, the capitalizing this you know, savagery and
780
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.559
what it means is humans, And there's kind of a
781
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.800
lot of like philosophical mm analyzing going on, and.
782
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.000
It came out of nowhere. He's like, wow, it's just
783
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:38.199
saying something. Oh like was saying something. But Nick, you
784
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.599
said that you you really liked this particular section of
785
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:46.320
the book with the explanation of animals and things that.
786
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.519
Yeah, some of his responses to the questions are a
787
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.880
little ridiculous.
788
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.360
He's like, well, animals kill animals, Yes, that was one
789
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.119
of them. Yes, what's the difference between humans killing animals?
790
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.760
Right. Yeah. I would have just been better if he
791
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.840
was like, I just don't care, yeah, instead of trying
792
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.599
to rationalize why it was okay, yeah, because he kept
793
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:13.599
just being like, oh, humans treat humans like crap, so
794
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.199
why should we care about animals? Or Yeah, I don't
795
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:20.239
know how that connects.
796
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.840
But I didn't say it was good philosophical.
797
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.400
There's all kinds of his opinions in here about stuff.
798
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.000
There was a I can't remember if it was right away,
799
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.880
but at some point Tigert goes on about soft like determinism,
800
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:41.159
when I didn't that's the idea. It's the concept that
801
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.320
there's no such thing as free will, that we make
802
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:48.440
decisions based on our neurochemical the way we were raised,
803
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.719
the way we like. Every decision we make is inevitable.
804
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:52.960
Yeah, that's what I think too.
805
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.920
Yeah, soft determinism. When he started going on about that,
806
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.079
I was like, what are we getting like a determinism
807
00:41:59.159 --> 00:41:59.880
lecture right now?
808
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.760
Yeah, he says free will's kind of just focus. Yeah,
809
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.880
it's kind of his thing. But Eric he said something
810
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.320
interesting though. In the They were asking him about his
811
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.400
time in the war, and I think this kind of
812
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.719
defined him as as the characters. He said at the
813
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.960
beginning of the Vietnam War, when he first got in,
814
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.760
he was supportive of it. Then he said by the
815
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.880
end he had kind of changed his whole attitude, And
816
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.280
I kind of wondered, like, is that what made Taggert
817
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.880
the way he is now? Like he got disgruntled in
818
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.280
the war, found out what he was doing really didn't
819
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.320
matter that, and then he changed. I was just wonder
820
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.519
like pre Vietnam War was taggered like a totally different
821
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.400
kind of person, and it seemed like he maybe was.
822
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.119
So I'm like, seemed like Levinson was saying something about
823
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.360
the Vietnam War at that point because it had just
824
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.599
ended in seventy four and the book came out seventy six, So.
825
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.400
He's very detached. Every question they asked him, he's very like,
826
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.960
I just do my thing and there's the world out
827
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:57.960
there and I don't care.
828
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.079
Yeah.
829
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.440
People are like, you know, don't you think you're a
830
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:06.480
bad person for doing this? And he's like, yeah, next question, right,
831
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.599
Like he's just like whatever, Yeah, Like he doesn't live
832
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:13.519
in their world even though he does. And it's cool
833
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.119
because it kind of like at the end, it kind
834
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:17.480
of has a change to it.
835
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.280
Yeah, And that makes sense that he probably was trying
836
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.480
to make some sort of commentary. Obviously I wasn't alive
837
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:24.920
at this time, but I imagine there was a bunch
838
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.599
of vets that came back and just were beach bombs
839
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.039
somewhere on some random island and expats in Thailand or whatever.
840
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.760
Yeah, and there's a lot of paperbacks that I've read
841
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.880
in that time period that that explore that we're talking
842
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:42.280
about vets that go in and then you know, they're
843
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.039
all gung ho, and then after the war they become
844
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:52.159
a despondent of alcoholics. It's Hunter's Blood, which I mentioned earlier.
845
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.519
Hunter's Blood is it's got a little bit of that
846
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:54.719
and in.
847
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.920
There or Jerry, I love that.
848
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.559
There's another one called Walking Wounded that kind of talks
849
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.280
about that. There's an one called Winter Marines. I've got
850
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.239
refuse of these on the blog, but it's all kind
851
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.800
of in that same vein. I don't know if you
852
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.159
want to really call it like broken spirit or broken
853
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.159
patriotism or whatever you want to call it, but it
854
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.920
seemed like it affected a lot of people. But Alison,
855
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.239
she doesn't like this new Taggart, like this drinking Taggert,
856
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.000
This she just doesn't like him, so she ends up
857
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:29.599
breaking up with him, like she doesn't want to be
858
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:33.480
with him anymore. And Taggart goes to goes back to
859
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.519
the place that he's the most comfortable with, which is
860
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.280
his second favorite lay, which is Susan, and he's already
861
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.639
been told not to go to her, so he goes
862
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.159
back to her and wants to, you know, to have
863
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.679
sex with her, and she's kind of like, no, I'm
864
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.760
with somebody, like I've already got somebody, and so she
865
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.320
kind of pushes him away, and the detectives have kind
866
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:52.840
of been like staking out to see if he's going
867
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.000
to return to Susan's house, and detectives arrest Taggart for
868
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.719
a fourth time, I guess, but this time he ends
869
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.719
up going into the torture basement. You know, the things
870
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:06.719
are not gonna are not looking good for Tagger, like
871
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.400
he's gonna get tortured or possibly killed. But they realize
872
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.960
as Tagger points out, hey, you can't kill me because
873
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.400
I'm a I'm a hot commodity. At this point, like
874
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.960
the island knows me, the world knows me, the press
875
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.840
that these all these people are looking forward to the
876
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.599
Shark fights. You can't really you can't really do that,
877
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.159
So they end up letting him go. He gets out
878
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.119
of a out of jail, but and he goes to
879
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:37.000
a he goes to a brothel immediately to get laid
880
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.800
and and Brian, this kind of goes into what you
881
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.039
were saying earlier. We've got a whole nother installment here,
882
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.559
like another series installment of Taggert being captured by a
883
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:48.400
terrorist group.
884
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.880
Yeah, there's a lot of ideas here.
885
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.639
Taggart fights the terrorists in this case it's the People's
886
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.679
Freedom Front and they're just another uh, you know, another
887
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.000
Banana the country rebellion, just like all the other ones
888
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.719
that want to get rid of this president so they
889
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.920
can give the power back to the people. Which Taggart
890
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:10.800
tells him, He's like, it's all the same, Like you
891
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.760
guys will just become the next president and you'll do
892
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:15.400
the same stuff that he's doing, and then you'll have
893
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.360
another uprising. It's a cycle with banana countries. So I
894
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:23.239
thought that was kind of interesting with the whole terrorist thing.
895
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.760
I didn't see this coming at all. I just like,
896
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.199
this is way out of left field.
897
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.559
I don't think I saw any of this coming in
898
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.320
throughout the entire book.
899
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. It's a surprise by everything
900
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:41.360
that happened. But they they want to they want to
901
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:46.559
extort Taggart by basically ransoming him. They want to get money,
902
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.840
so they put him up for ransom, and they don't
903
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.840
get any money, like no one, no one really buys
904
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:55.480
into it. So they end up saying, hey, we're just
905
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.079
gonna kill you and we're gonna make it. They're like,
906
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.360
don't worry, it'll be he will be painless, or we're
907
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:01.920
gonna kill you.
908
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.360
Yeah, we like you, but yeah, we got to kill you.
909
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:06.639
It's just a message.
910
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:11.639
So Tackard again, he's he has a way of getting
911
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.199
out of everything. So he tells them that go ahead
912
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.519
and let me battle the sharks. Let me win this money,
913
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.880
and then I'll just donate it to the island and
914
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.880
I'll buy you guys a hospital with the money. And
915
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.000
then and they they kind of agree, but they say, hey,
916
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.519
we want a farm instead, like we want all these farms.
917
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.119
And so that's what he agrees to do, is he'll
918
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:36.519
give the money, He'll give the money back to the island.
919
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:39.320
He makes like a little speech like they let him go,
920
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.039
and then he makes like this little speech, which the
921
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.280
chief of police doesn't like. So then the idea was,
922
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.559
I guess in the there's a whole there's a whole
923
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.440
thing with how they're going to do the sharks the release,
924
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.519
but in the Olympic sized swimming pool, there's gonna be
925
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:00.400
a two uh two cages that are holding these two sharks,
926
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.320
but there's actually going to be four sharks, but the
927
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.280
other two are going to be released. They're just there's
928
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:07.639
like there's like.
929
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:09.840
In case, Yeah, they're just in case I want of
930
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:10.639
the sharks die.
931
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.239
And it's important to note that these sharks haven't been
932
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.679
fed for like what a week or something. They're like starving,
933
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.719
like they really want food badly. But the idea is
934
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.719
that the bottom of the cage will release and the
935
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.400
sharks will come out and they'll they'll fight Taggard. But
936
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.280
the chief of police, he doesn't like what Taggart's doing
937
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.360
with this, uh giving the money back to the island
938
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.920
or whatever he thinks, like he doesn't like the People's
939
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.679
Freedom Front, so secretly, behind the scenes, he's going to
940
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.679
make it where all all four sharks will come down.
941
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:44.119
Said it just too, which adds another little element to
942
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:50.119
the the to the shark fight. Yeah, and then to fight.
943
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.159
Just the idea that this would be a real thing,
944
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.440
that the like they could organize this pay per view
945
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.800
shark bite is so ridiculous, Like.
946
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.639
It would it would never happen, right in the seventies,
947
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.039
in the seventies. In the seventies, I could see this happening.
948
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:07.719
Do you think so?
949
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:11.400
Yeah, it was a stunt stunt Haven in the seventies
950
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:12.960
with evil and evil he led the way.
951
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.400
Yeah, I don't know I did that. I just don't.
952
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:20.599
And especially for how they say how popular it is,
953
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.039
like people over the world, or like they got him
954
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.320
his picture on shirts and it hasn't done anything yet.
955
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.079
It just seemed very ridiculous that the whole world is
956
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:34.039
excited to see him fight sharks. Also, no, I could.
957
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:38.119
See it pre Internet. You learn someone's gonna fight a
958
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.239
shark in a swimming pool, you're gonna be like, I'm
959
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:40.800
watching that.
960
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.639
Yeah. Also, I don't I mean, can a can a
961
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:48.280
tiger shark like exist in the swimming pool with the
962
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:49.199
chlorine and stuff?
963
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.719
I mean, they're not very long in Yeah, I don't
964
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:54.280
think they used a live very long Noo.
965
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.000
Maybe it was a saltwater pool.
966
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:03.079
Yeah, they didn't say yeah mm hmm a saltwater pool.
967
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.119
It's also, how hilarious is it that this resort is
968
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.559
just like sure, yeah.
969
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.639
Well that's what I was like, isn't it isn't Jones's resort?
970
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:12.960
Doesn't he own it?
971
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:14.039
I think so?
972
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:15.280
Does he?
973
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.199
He might? Yeah, but yeah they have to fight, and
974
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.760
I don't want to ruin it for anyone, but it's
975
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.199
it's glorious. It's glorious.
976
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.960
Yeah, it's good. I mean, you're building up the whole
977
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.519
time to this shark fight. So but it's it was fun.
978
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.679
It was fun. I thought it delivered the goods, yeah,
979
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.079
for sure, throughout throughout and then I had a fitting Uh,
980
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.679
I had a fitting ending to it. I think it
981
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:47.239
was good. Anything else worth mentioning in this last couple
982
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.400
of chapters.
983
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:54.480
I don't think so without yeah, without spoiling it now? Yeah?
984
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.599
So uh so is it everything that's uh that was
985
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.280
cracked up to be? You think the boy?
986
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.639
Yes, yep, is better than I had hoped.
987
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.639
Same, Yeah, it was better than I thought it was
988
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:06.000
going to be.
989
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.960
Dude, I love when they do the rapid fire dialogue
990
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.880
like that. It's never like he said, or Taggart was
991
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.719
you know, you know, fidgeting with his pen while he
992
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.159
thought about what to say. It's just like boom boom
993
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:21.880
boom boom boom boom boom, Like you got to be
994
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.639
paying attention because it's back before real fast and that
995
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:27.719
I didn't think about it. But you're right. It is
996
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.039
like Elmore Leonard in that sense. Mm hmmm, where you
997
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.239
kind of like learn more about the character as it
998
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:34.719
goes through the dialogue.
999
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.559
Yeah. I think that's my favorite kind of narrative, is
1000
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.239
the story is told through dialogue.
1001
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:41.159
Mm hmmm.
1002
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:47.400
Yeah, don't don't, I guess, don't don't tell me the story.
1003
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.199
Let me feel the story. Yeah, let me be in
1004
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:54.840
the room. So it's kind of like that, but yeah,
1005
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.079
it was. And in the afterward, it uh, Lynn Levinson
1006
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.480
was talking about going back and rereading the book because
1007
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.039
it's been years since he wrote it and I think
1008
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.960
it's on like forty some years or whatever, and he said, hey,
1009
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:07.719
I was going back and reading and he's like, I'm
1010
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.199
He's like, I'm surprised that he was saying like he
1011
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.400
was surprised he even wrote it, like he could remember
1012
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.239
writing this book. He's like, man, this book is really good.
1013
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:21.480
I was so surprised how good this book.
1014
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:25.119
Was, and it is. It's just very engaging, Like even
1015
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.880
though half of the things that happened in the first
1016
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.840
half are irrelevant, it's all like kind of building his
1017
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:35.159
character and building his life and yeah, and it's all
1018
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.639
just very quick and engaging and effective and interesting. Like
1019
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.440
I mean, I finished this book in no time. I
1020
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.239
couldn't wait to sit down and read more.
1021
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:45.360
Yeah, this was a day read for me, just a
1022
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:50.360
dinner one day. I'll mention another couple of books. If
1023
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:54.360
you like Shark Fighter, obviously read this book. You know,
1024
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.880
go out and get the paper, the reprint of you
1025
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.880
if you need to, and get the e book whatever
1026
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.679
you wanted to read. This book is definitely worth it.
1027
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.440
But there's another book I've mentioned in the past I've
1028
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.079
reviewed on the blog I Think I'm talked about on
1029
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.400
the podcast called The Last Great Death Stunt. It was
1030
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.960
also written in the seventies during this stunt sort of
1031
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.159
a frenzy of the seventies with Evil can Eevil doing crazy,
1032
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.199
crazy stuff. But it was written by Clark Howard. The
1033
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:23.920
Last Great Death Stunt is kind of like said in
1034
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.280
the Future, a little bit not too far in the future.
1035
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:30.960
But it basically the government world government say hey, we're
1036
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.519
tired of people doing outrageous things on camera, which is
1037
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.079
kind of kind of like an echo of what we
1038
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.000
see now with TikTok and stuff. People were doing crazy stuff.
1039
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:40.679
They got so to the point where people were doing
1040
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:42.679
so many crazy things on camera and doing all these
1041
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:46.159
crazy stunts to get publicity that they said, hey, anyone
1042
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.880
doing another stunt is going to be arrested and sent
1043
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:52.039
to prison, so you can't do any more stunts. And
1044
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.440
they have like this one last planned stunt between these
1045
00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.280
two famous stuntmen that do all these crazy things, and
1046
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.639
the last great death stunt is going to be that
1047
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.320
they're going to jump off the Golden gate Bridge and uh,
1048
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:07.880
and it's going to be filmed and this is going
1049
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.519
to be the last stunt ever done. But it's the
1050
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.559
rivalry between these two stuntmen to up the ante and
1051
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.239
and do something different with this, this jumping off the
1052
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.599
Golden gate Bridge. But this kind of reminded me a
1053
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.039
little bit of that book again. It's The Last Great
1054
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.960
Death Stunt by Clark Howard. It's fantastic, It's a fantastic book.
1055
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:27.039
It's amazing.
1056
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:30.840
I feel like it was the last great stunt. Though
1057
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.760
shouldn't be bigger than just jumping off the Golden gate Bridge.
1058
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:39.519
It's pretty big. It's pretty big. But they have some
1059
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.480
other stunts in the book leading up to that, and
1060
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.840
there's a there's a whole backstory on on some of
1061
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:46.400
the characters, which some of the characters kind of reminding
1062
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.519
me a little bit of Taggert in a way. But
1063
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.800
that's really good. And then the other one I was
1064
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.800
going to mention was that escapes me. I can't think
1065
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:55.159
of it.
1066
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.719
There's a there's an installment of Hawk where he becomes
1067
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:03.920
a devil like evil Knievel. Oh, yeah, there's all these
1068
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.360
He's like on a motocross bike and he has like
1069
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.920
jump over the Grand Canyon or something like that. Only
1070
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.239
he can do it, even though he's with this this
1071
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.280
troop of Daredevil's who's been doing it their whole life.
1072
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:18.719
He gets on one and boom nails it.
1073
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:23.800
Wow. Well that's uh, that's really it. I guess on
1074
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.199
this on Shark Fighter, are you guys gonna read wore
1075
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:31.440
Lynn Levison? Yeah, he just picked a pick a genre.
1076
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.360
I mean, did historical romance a sleeze World War two
1077
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.920
novels series titles. He did vigil Ani like the Butler's
1078
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.480
of sort of like a vigil Ani kind of guy.
1079
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.039
And he's got an aviation series. So you have pick
1080
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.360
er poison when it comes to this guy, does he
1081
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:52.320
have mafia? But yeah, yeah, I think so, Yeah, I
1082
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:56.679
think so. Why he's uh, Nick Lynn Levison is still alive?
1083
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:58.400
Why don't you interview who?
1084
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.280
Why be? Do you have a podcast? Eric?
1085
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.800
No way, you're the interview guy now, Nick, but you know.
1086
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.199
So much more. This is this is your thing. You're
1087
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:11.480
the paperback warrior.
1088
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.360
I'll be happy to help you out of the interview.
1089
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:17.440
But yeah, it'd be good man. You should get him
1090
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.159
on there. Sure you'd like like to get on there?
1091
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.239
That would be cool. Yeah. I need to read more
1092
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.159
of it though, first.
1093
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.960
Yeah, all right, last, the last thing. What do you
1094
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.559
guys have going on on your channels that you got
1095
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:31.320
going to cough it up?
1096
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:32.760
Brain? You go first?
1097
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.159
Oh, I don't know. I'm just doing my usual thing,
1098
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.840
just reading and talking about books and probably have a
1099
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.119
book hall soon. Try to get one more book call
1100
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:44.039
out before we go to pulp Fest soon, so I
1101
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.719
will be there, I know Nick will be there you going.
1102
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.599
Eric, Nope, not this year. Well i'll be hopefully maybe
1103
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.039
next year.
1104
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:53.639
Yeah, that's got it though.
1105
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:55.320
What are you currently reading.
1106
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.519
I'm currently reading a book called actually I've got a
1107
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.440
right here, it's called Freeze.
1108
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:03.000
Oh yeah that.
1109
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:05.440
I thought that it was going to be horror or
1110
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.800
science fiction, but so far it's very much like a
1111
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:14.440
private investigator kind of journalist noir investigating a murder. I
1112
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.440
don't know where it's going because it should be going
1113
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.480
towards cryogenically frozen people, but we'll see.
1114
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.880
Interesting, Nick, what's going on?
1115
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.840
I just recorded an episode that I do with the
1116
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:30.480
Lighting the Pipes podcast. They're like a mystery podcast. They
1117
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.880
know they're not on YouTube. We we did. We're going
1118
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.840
to be talking May Gray and the burglar's wife. And
1119
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:41.079
then I have some reviews coming up. The first is
1120
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:46.840
uh Parker Killtown. Yeah, and then I also am going
1121
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:48.800
to do Operation Neptune.
1122
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.440
Mm hm ah it's got sharks on it.
1123
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.559
Yeah, well it's they're not in there. And then the
1124
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.119
Savage Night that Jim Thompson, which was my first experience
1125
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:01.599
with it, and I was like everyone always talks about it,
1126
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:06.280
like always real depressing and it's really dark. But there
1127
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.760
was like this very surreal aspect to this book. Have
1128
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:10.679
you ever read this one?
1129
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:12.199
I haven't read that one.
1130
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:16.119
No, it gets weird. It gets weird.
1131
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:17.639
I think Thompson's a weird writer.
1132
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:19.639
Yeah, it was cool.
1133
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:20.920
Do you like it?
1134
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:22.360
I loved it.
1135
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.920
Oh, I've never read a good Jim Thompson book. No.
1136
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.800
It reminded me a lot of the ory Hit the Widow,
1137
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.519
like plot wise, and when as I was reading it,
1138
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.599
I was like, you know, everyone talks so highly of him,
1139
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:41.119
except you, Eric, except yea. And as I was reading it,
1140
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.000
I was like, I was like, this is cool. This
1141
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:44.880
is just like where you hit. I don't really see
1142
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.360
the difference. And then as it went along and I
1143
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.239
got to the end, and then I was like, oh wow.
1144
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:51.880
And then I thought back to the whole rest of
1145
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.519
the story and I was like, Nope, never mind, it's
1146
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:57.800
like leagues above it. Leagues see.
1147
00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:59.360
I always want to read Hi because I've heard a
1148
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:03.960
lot of like horror writers mentioned him specifically, being like,
1149
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:08.079
you know, some of his some of the scenes in
1150
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:11.239
like Jim Thompson books are like like horror almost.
1151
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.199
Because yeah, I could see that, Yeah, he does the
1152
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.960
the like if you're into like the redneck horror kind
1153
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.880
of stuff, like backwoods clan cannibal stuff. I could see
1154
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:27.840
he has that kind of style. Yeah, so you're gonna
1155
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.440
do a video on that book, Nick.
1156
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.400
Yes, okay. And I'm currently reading Skinhead.
1157
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.840
Finally Skinhead, and I'm not familiar with that one.
1158
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.639
The James Moffatt the New English Library Skinhead book, the
1159
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.480
Youth book. It is also awesome.
1160
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.000
I don't know who to which one of you to blame,
1161
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.039
but I uh, one of you is to blame for this.
1162
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.280
So you guys, one of you in a book. Hall
1163
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.679
had a had a paperback I think it was one
1164
00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:01.239
of you guys called Code Blue by Charlotte White. It
1165
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.679
was okay, so you're you're the one to blame, Okay,
1166
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:09.400
so you should. I think you read like the synopsis
1167
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:10.840
or something and it was like die Hard in a
1168
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.880
hospital And yep, I do have that book that I
1169
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.000
had it on my to be read pile and I've
1170
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.039
finally just read it this week, and I hate you
1171
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:26.320
amazing or terrible. It is so bad. It's it's a
1172
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:29.000
Hall of shame book. Yeah, for sure, not in a
1173
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:30.760
good way, like just boring.
1174
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.000
I thought the cover looked cool. I I don't know
1175
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:35.320
if you can entirely blame me.
1176
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:41.519
It just sounded so awesome. Yeah it was. Yeah, just
1177
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:43.159
I thought die Hard in the hospital, it's going to
1178
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:43.760
be fun, but.
1179
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:44.639
It sounds fun.
1180
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:45.880
It's totally not.
1181
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:48.360
Let's do that.
1182
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.719
Yeah yeah, just yeah, I ditched that book.
1183
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:55.760
All right.
1184
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:58.039
Guys, well it's been an hour. I appreciate your time.
1185
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.119
Thanks for coming on here and talking about sharks with me.
1186
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:02.159
Loved it, all right.
1187
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:05.400
Thanks for watching everyone. I've got links to both of
1188
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.519
their podcast or both of their YouTube channels below. Take
1189
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:09.760
care and thanks for watching.