Outsiders | 4 October

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Speaker 1: This is Outsiders.
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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to Outsiders, the show that is to skewering the hypocrisy and idiocy of the Albanese government, the Greens and the fraudulent Teals, what the brilliant lawyer Natasha Hausdorff is to skewering the lying world leaders of the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: President Macron says Hamas was never very active in the West Bank. Tell that to the family of Netanel Shukron, murdered in Neve Tzouf just.
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Speaker 4: Over a week ago.
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Speaker 3: Tell that to Ambassador Leitner, whose son Nerea was just mowed down near Beit Horon. Hamas has murdered Jews in Judea and Samaria for decades.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Natasha Hasdorf spoke on the floor of the UN this week and she did not miss.
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Speaker 3: The British Prime Minister declares an unlawful ban on products from Jewish communities.
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Speaker 6: We have acted by banning trade in goods with illegal settlements.
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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, Britain gave a known Hamas terrorist a passport which he used to plan attacks across Europe, banning award-winning wine from Judea. but not the terrorists plotting to kill Jews. Spain accused Israel of genocide. That is a lie and an inversion. It was Hamas that carried out a genocidal massacre.
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Speaker 7: And she saved the best till last.
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Speaker 3: Australia's Penny Wong lied when she said that more than 15,000 children were driven from their homes in the West Bank.
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Speaker 8: Settler violence has driven more than 15,000 children from their homes.
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Speaker 3: It is a lie that seeks to justify the ethnic cleansing of Jews, which UN bodies call for. And if President Erdogan really cared about the oppressed.
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Speaker 3: He would not jail his political rivals, silence journalists and deny the Armenian genocide. Let the record show this institution is being abused to promote falsehoods and subvert international law.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely brilliant.
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Speaker 2: And while we wait for Penny Wong to apologise for her disgusting remarks, or better still, for Australia to do the only sensible thing and withdraw from the United Nations altogether and save ourselves a fortune, let's grab the latest Outsiders news. Well, during the show, we're also expecting to hear from Donald Trump, who will be giving a live address at a rally in Ohio shortly, so stay tuned for that. And we'll cross over, we'll cross over live as soon as the President takes the stage. But in the meantime, Lucy, great to have Lucy Zellig here on Outsiders.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Looking forward to this, Lucy. Filling in for James Morrow. Obviously, you're not quite as pretty as James Morrow, but.
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Speaker 7: What can I do? Big shoes to fill.
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Speaker 6: Who is? Now, let's talk about.
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Speaker 2: As I think the champagne corks were popping around Australia this week when the news came through that the e-Karen herself, Julie Inman Grant, has decided it's all a bit much.
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Speaker 6: She's done her best.
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Speaker 5: She's got some UN role lined up or maybe off to the CIA. I don't know.
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Speaker 4: She is so talented.
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Speaker 5: So many people would be lucky to have her. You know, this leftist activist that was... thrust upon Australia by the Turnbull government.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, the Libs.
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Speaker 5: I don't know why you're just on 19% popularity with that sort of leadership over the years. No wonder One Nation is soaring in the polls. But the e-Karen, her impact, not just on suppressing, censoring... free speech, free expression, access to information in Australia. But what she has done to try to extend that reach across the globe is something we'll be speaking to Michael Schellenberger about, because he has been right on top of it, better than any journalist in this country.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, what a surprise. Lucy, so we've got the e-Karen there.
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Speaker 2: She's had a disastrous term in office where every time she's tried to censor someone, not every time, but many of the times, There's been a reaction from, like, the Free Speech Union, which does an amazing job helping people. There's seen Celine Bomegarten. There's been others who've... Elon Musk.
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Speaker 6: Our friend Jasmine Sussex and others.
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Speaker 7: Of course.
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Speaker 4: And she has cost us, Lucy, so much.
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Speaker 7: Millions.
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Speaker 5: Taxpayer dollars fighting these wars in courts, losing to the likes of Elon Musk because... despite the fact that we don't have a right to free speech in this country, it's not written into our Constitution.
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Speaker 6: Which she reminded us of, you'll remember.
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Speaker 7: Repeatedly.
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Speaker 6: She said, oh, no, no, there's no... There's no American-style freedom of speech in Australia. And yet she's still lost.
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Speaker 5: She's still lost and she should have lost, but those lawyers are paid for by us, of course.
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Speaker 9: Lucy.
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Speaker 7: I remember very distinctly... So, back in, I think it.
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Speaker 10: Was roughly April of 2021, I sat down with the then communications minister, Paul Fletcher, and I interviewed him about this very issue.
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Speaker 7: The introduction of it, tried to get to the bottom of it.
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Speaker 10: And at the time, it was really presented as though this was something that was going to be very positive, right? The Trojan horse tale. But he spoke more specifically about targeting things like pornography, child abuse and that type of material. It has been so fascinating to see this kind of bastardisation from what it originated from to where it is now under the Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: It never should have occurred in the first place.
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Speaker 5: And I think... It started under the Liberals.
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Speaker 7: Of course it did. And that's the point. It never should have occurred in the first place.
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Speaker 10: And we look back on now, you know, with hindsight and the benefit of it and acknowledge that... Any attempt to censor any type of free speech is a problem in this country, of course. We don't have it in our Constitution, as you rightly pointed out. It is expressly implied, as we've seen through relevant court rulings in the High Court and Supreme Court. But I think in this situation now, I think future governments, particularly if you're the Coalition and you're looking to scrape back any kind of credit points with voters, would be the first to put their hands up and say, we're going to abolish this.
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Speaker 7: This has no place.
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Speaker 6: Well, they must abolish it.
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Speaker 7: in a free democracy.
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Speaker 6: Exactly. It's been a disaster.
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Speaker 2: But it's also been counterproductive, because you mentioned things like protecting kids and all this.
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Speaker 6: So, the moment.
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Speaker 2: And this is the catch-all for any digital censorship. They go, oh, we're protecting the kids. They're protecting kids. But one of the cases was the Celine Baumgarten case, in which all Celine had done was repost what was already in the public domain about some LGBTQ classes at a particular... I think it was a primary school, but I might be wrong there.
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Speaker 6: Victorian. Yeah. And all she was doing... And they attacked her for that.
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Speaker 2: So, arguably, I would argue it was Celine Baumgarten who was protecting the kids by suggesting maybe these classes aren't the best or the most appropriate thing for young kids to be going to.
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Speaker 6: That's it. Full stop.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't attacking LGBTs, just merely saying, is this the appropriate venue for these sorts of... this sort of program?
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Speaker 6: Yet she was censored.
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Speaker 2: So the e-Karen was actually censoring someone who, whether you agree with it or not, believed she was doing the right thing for kids.
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Speaker 6: So it was actually counterproductive.
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Speaker 4: Oh, well, it always has been.
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Speaker 5: The e-Karen, as we've called her, and I'm glad that name stuck, has just been on the side of radical leftist. It's not just been a leftist mindset that she has brought into that role.
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Speaker 4: It's radical leftist.
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Speaker 5: Jasmine Sussex, who you mentioned, the tweet she posted was so inoffensive, so mainstream, she said, men can't breastfeed.
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Speaker 6: Now, I would say.
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Speaker 5: I'm being dragged through the courts because of it. 99% of Australians, if they're being honest, would very much agree with that sentiment.
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Speaker 2: I would argue 100% of Australians, if they were being honest, would agree with it, if they were being honest.
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Speaker 5: Exactly, if they're being honest. And it's a biological fact. It's certainly not something that should be so controversial that we are protected from seeing it as Australians. And yet that tweet was struck down on the orders of the eSafety Commissioner because apparently that is so harmful that we need to be protected from it. And if this office did as it was supposed to do, and I spoke to the communications minister back then as well who tried to sell this to me on a safety message. This is about protecting children. Children are being bullied. Sometimes to death, they're taking their own lives. There's no respite from this 24-7 online bullying. It's a different form of bullying that we haven't seen before. That's how it was sold. But it was never really operating in that manner. And there is a great deal of online harm targeted towards kids, particularly pornography, predatory behaviour. If this office was targeting that exclusively, then I would be all for it.
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Speaker 4: But it hasn't been. And Australians have woken.
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Speaker 6: Up to it.
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Speaker 2: Everything they've touched has been a failure. The under-16 legislation, which they talk about and wander around the United Nations.
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Speaker 7: Another Trojan horse, by the way.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. And the one we missed out, of course, was the bishop, Mari... That was.
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Speaker 4: The Elon Musk one.
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Speaker 5: That was the one when Elon Musk said, no, I will fight you in court.
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Speaker 2: She tried to stop people seeing and attempted... assassination of a bishop. The bishop himself in Sydney said, people should be able to see what happened to me.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm the guy who was attacked.
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Speaker 2: I should, you know, if I didn't want anyone to see it, I would say so.
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Speaker 6: But Rowan, what.
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Speaker 4: About social cohesion?
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Speaker 5: We can't have people asking difficult questions like, what could have possibly been the alleged ideology behind this attack?
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Speaker 4: Let's not go down that road.
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Speaker 6: So, Lucy, you were going to say?
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Speaker 10: But, I mean, the thing that I reflect on now is, after all this time, what could we say that's been an actual benefit to society and to this democracy? Nothing.
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Speaker 7: It's all been a failure.
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Speaker 10: I mean, when you look back at her tenure now, over 10 years, what did we gain from this.
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Speaker 6: As a society?
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Speaker 2: We lost a lot.
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Speaker 6: We lost. We lost.
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Speaker 7: We gained nothing. We lost.
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Speaker 5: We lost a lot, but I think it exposed the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: It really did. Not just the fact that they appointed her, but even throughout her activism... They refused to disavow.
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Speaker 5: They refused to say, really, criticise her in any meaningful way. And they had plenty of opportunities to do so. And that was one of the frustrating things with the Coalition. And again, it's one of the reasons why One Nation is where it is on the polls, the latest news poll leading Labor, 11 points ahead of the Coalition, because, at least with them, they are staunch on these issues. They don't waver, they don't go one way, you know, we're all strong and for free speech, and next minute they're all over the shop, so.
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Speaker 10: But think about, Rita, to be fair, how much of the issues that we've seen come out of the eSafety Karen have occurred under this government versus the Coalition. It feels almost as though, as I said before, this bastardisation where the original intent was there, although we can disagree that it never should.
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Speaker 7: You know, we can all agree that it never should have happened and disagree with the appointment.
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Speaker 10: It feels like because under a more leftist activist government, it's taken on a totally different form and become a Frankenstein that they haven't.
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Speaker 6: Been able to control.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but I also think she just... ploughed into her role. She saw an opportunity and she went for it. And she, from the word go, when she was first spotted wandering around Davos, of all places, with Klaus Schwab and co.
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Speaker 6: Way back then.
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Speaker 5: Is that what Malcolm found her?
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Speaker 6: No, I didn't... I was.
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Speaker 5: Wondering where he found this American.
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Speaker 2: Sitting around the cafe with Klaus, let me introduce you to my friend, Icarin.
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Speaker 6: She is very good. Oh, Malcolm. Anyway, you can imagine.
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Speaker 4: Let's create a new office.
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Speaker 5: For her and give it a beautiful sounding name.
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Speaker 4: But, you know what, it has been.
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Speaker 2: And Malcolm would have been, look, I've got these plans, look, for pushing water uphill.
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Speaker 6: It's really good.
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Speaker 7: After he's busy putting the knives away in his pocket.
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Speaker 6: Exactly.
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Speaker 4: Let's ban any criticism of this.
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Speaker 6: I've invented a new way of.
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Speaker 5: Let's ban any criticism... electricity where you push the water uphill.
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Speaker 6: It'll only cost a few quid.
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Speaker 5: This is Malcolm who worked behind the scenes to bring us Guardian Australia.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that's right.
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Speaker 7: The Turnbull Times.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 4: I miss Malcolm.
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Speaker 6: You know what? Careful what you wish for. You know who was.
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Speaker 4: Talking glowingly about Malcolm this week? He could have taken up... Our current Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Of course.
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Speaker 5: He was on some podcast, some interview he was giving. And he was talking about how Malcolm does call him, actually. They're in contact on.
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Speaker 4: A fairly regular basis.
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Speaker 5: Well, there you go.
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Speaker 4: And I was not shocked to hear that.
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Speaker 11: No.
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised Malcolm didn't put his hand up for the leadership of the Greens. He could have waltzed into that. I mean, he's like David Shoebridge.
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Speaker 6: He's got this property empire in Vaucluse, you know, so wealthy sort of thing. Now, two of them could have arm-wrestled for the job. I mean, they're two peas in a pod.
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Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about that because the new Greens leader, he was just on Sky News.
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Speaker 4: We've just missed him in the studios.
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Speaker 6: News 24. Oh, News 24.
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Speaker 7: You're fine.
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Speaker 4: Excuse me.
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Speaker 5: Oh, my God. I'm going to get fined.
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Speaker 4: News 24.
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Speaker 5: And what a contradiction that man is in so many ways.
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Speaker 4: I mean, really.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the fact that he took a job from an immigrant woman of colour is in itself surely.
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Speaker 6: Exactly.
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Speaker 12: Shocking.
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Speaker 5: confronting the evil patriarchy leader. The white heterosexual male strikes again.
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Speaker 6: Yep.
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Speaker 4: Really, he should have just withdrawn.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that is, if you truly embrace DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, how do you stand against a woman who ticks so many of those boxes?
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Speaker 6: All the boxes, exactly.
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Speaker 4: Not all of them, but most of them.
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Speaker 5: And then you talked about his property empire, which in itself is quite impressive.
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Speaker 6: If the Greens supporters knew, you know, knew the.
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Speaker 2: Extent of this character's... property empire and all the rest, many of them would be absolutely horrified.
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Speaker 4: I think Lucy's had a deep dive.
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Speaker 10: The fascinating thing for me is, right, is that he's always talking about attacking the 1%, right, the elite 1%.
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Speaker 6: He was this morning.
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Speaker 10: And when you consider his property profile, which is extraordinary, by the way, so to me I feel like, A, there's not just some extraordinary hypocrisy here, but he's openly said that he's aware that the policies that he's advocating for will attack his own wealth and his wife. So, two years before he actually landed his seat in the House of Reps, he very quietly decided to change his name, or remove his name from the mortgages that he has with his wife, who is also a barrister now, according to reports, a senior counsel, so would be on a very good wicket, by the way. David Shoebridge himself is a former barrister. But they've got a property in Woolara, right? So, the median house price in Woolara, we're looking at between $ 4. 4 million to $ 4.
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Speaker 7: 9 million.
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Speaker 10: Then they've got, according to earlier reports in the Sydney Morning Herald, an apartment in Darlinghurst, which was purchased.
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Speaker 7: For $ 535, 000 in 2011. It is now estimated to be worth approximately $ 1. 5 million today. A terrace in Ultimo, another one. The property was purchased in 2012.
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Speaker 4: Oh, near the ABC.
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Speaker 6: Yes!
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Speaker 2: Fantastic.
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Speaker 7: Just very convenient.
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Speaker 8: Sleepover.
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Speaker 7: It's all about convenience.
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Speaker 10: That was purchased in 2012 for $ 543, 000, worth roughly a further $ 1. 5 million today. And then he's also got one interstate. So, when we talk about... That's good.
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Speaker 4: That saves on the land tax.
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Speaker 6: Correct.
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Speaker 5: Because that means you're spreading the land tax liability and paying a lower rate.
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Speaker 4: Very clever.
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Speaker 7: Very clever.
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Speaker 4: From the Shoebridge family there.
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Speaker 7: And this is also the man that referred to.
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Speaker 10: Well, the party more broadly as well, that referred to when they spoke about negative gearing, they couldn't call it grandfathering, it had to be called.
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Speaker 7: Grandparenting. Grandparenting or grandperson.
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Speaker 6: Ah, the hypocrisy.
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Speaker 10: The hypocrisy just stinks to high heaven. And in these situations, you know, Australia's top 1%, you need to be on an individual taxable income of about $ 375, 000. or a gross income household of over $ 531, 000.
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Speaker 7: When your wife's, with.
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Speaker 10: All due respect, you know, on a good wicket as a senior counsel, and your pay rise is about to go up now as the leader of the Greens, with all due respect, David, you are that 1% that you are targeting.
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Speaker 2: He is the 1%. Let's call him Mr 1% from now on. That's what everyone should refer to him when he gets up in Parliament.
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Speaker 5: Or Mr Woolarra Mansion.
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Speaker 6: Mr Woolarra Mansion, yes.
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Speaker 5: Mr Woolarra Mansion.
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Speaker 6: Mr Woolarra Mansion and Harbourside himself. Unbelievable, the hypocrisy is just.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if in his little Ultimo place, when he was hanging around in his Ultimo pad, he managed to pop down to the ABC, where they had a freelancer who was working there for a while, we learnt yesterday, who actually has been accused of being a mass terrorist.
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Speaker 6: So, I read this with intrigue yesterday in the newspaper.
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Speaker 4: I'm all for DEI.
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Speaker 6: There we go.
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Speaker 2: The ABC had a freelance journalist who's now being accused of being a Hamas terrorist.
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Speaker 7: I mean, there you go.
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Speaker 6: What a surprise.
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Speaker 4: Can I say I'm not shocked?
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Speaker 6: Exactly. I'll read you briefly the story.
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Speaker 2: A Gaza-based journalist, in inverted commas, who freelanced at the ABC and was remembered in Australia.
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Speaker 6: As an amazing professional.
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Speaker 2: Is among 170 media workers killed in Gaza since October 7th who have been accused of being Hamas terrorists after an extensive protest.
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Speaker 6: IDF investigation.
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Speaker 2: Roshdi Siraj, an ABC 7.30 freelancer who filed video for the public broadcaster, was remembered publicly by Sarah Ferguson after being killed.
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Speaker 6: So there you go, the ABC. choosing its correspondence very carefully. Now, you mentioned One Nation before. Can we go to the wide shot?
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Speaker 2: Because I just noticed the visual here. I'm sat between the orange of One Nation and the blue of the Liberal Party, which makes me the sensible centre, which is always the case, as we know. I'm the sensible centre on this particular program.
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Speaker 7: So, you're basically John Howard today.
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Speaker 2: LAUGHTER I'm not sure John would be thrilled with the comparison.
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Speaker 6: The sensible centre. So, we've got... One Nation had a big, successful launch yesterday in Victoria. I think we've got some footage of it. Let's have a look. Here we go.
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Speaker 2: We've got Pauline was speaking and she made some good comments.
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Speaker 13: Labor Premier said One Nation terrifies him.
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Speaker 14: Well, I'll tell.
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Speaker 11: Ben Carroll, if you're listening, Ben, don't be scared of me.
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Speaker 15: I'll tell you what, mate, he should be scared of you.
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Speaker 6: Great line.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to Warren Pickering, the Victorian leader. He had a few comments as well, obviously.
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Speaker 12: Be more astute with how we, you know, fiscally manage this state?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely I do.
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Speaker 14: There's plenty of opportunity to get rid of some of the waste and redirect it into basic services.
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Speaker 6: People feeling safe.
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Speaker 11: In their homes and their businesses and on our streets, that should be uncompromising.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter what that costs, we need to get that done. Rita, you're the Victorian.
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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you.
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Speaker 4: Some interesting polling out this week.
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Speaker 5: The Herald Sun commissioned a poll through Freshwater and despite a cost of living crisis and also Victoria under crippling debt, the biggest state debt in the country by some margin, the biggest issue was crime. Crime.
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Speaker 4: And this is.
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Speaker 5: Something that the Liberals, the commentariat, all the media, operators told the... the Liberals, stop talking about crime. No one cares about crime. It's only the right wing. You've got to appeal to the centre. You've got to moderate. And the Libs listen to that messaging.
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Speaker 4: And it's the number one issue for Victorians.
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Speaker 5: And when I say the Liberals listen to that issue, I'm talking about the last decade. When they would lose elections, the analysis from the commentariat was, well, you were too focused on crime. No, they weren't focused enough on crime. They were too Labor-lite. They were too much like Labor. That's what's given birth to the rise of One Nation. Even in Victoria, they're polling around 20%. So they need to come. The election's less than 60 days away. They need to come to some sort of an arrangement with the coalition, One Nation, to ensure that their combined vote means something. Otherwise, Labor, as unpopular as they are, getting those Greens preferences are a chance of being re-elected.
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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly, Lucy, this is the litmus test for both the New South Wales election early next year and obviously the federal election. The danger being, as we all know, that the right vampires itself, cannibalises itself and Labor get back in, which is obviously.
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Speaker 6: What Labor are relying on. What do you think? What's your opinion on it?
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Speaker 10: Well, it's been fascinating to watch all of this unfold. I mean, notwithstanding the rise of One Nation, of course.
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Speaker 7: I mean, you said that this is the litmus test. It absolutely is. And when we reflect on what's occurred in.
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Speaker 10: South Australia, also at Secret Harbour, it's been really quite interesting to see how all the major political parties have been reacting to this. they're terrified, they're cacking themselves, because they know that this is now serious. Not only are Labor serious poll chasers, but they are secretly sitting behind the scenes and thinking, how do we arrest this? How do we challenge this? And I've been mortified, can I quite honestly say, to see the behaviour of some of the Coalition members in their attacks on One Nation, chief among them Andrew Hastie, who I think has actually embarrassed the hell out of himself recently with his attacks. And he's made it all about himself. That's certainly my personal view.
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Speaker 5: Well, he did have the very powerful backing of Jackie Lambie. I think that worked beautifully for... I mean, that wasn't counterproductive at all, having that mad rant on News 24.
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Speaker 4: Which I try to play on this program.
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Speaker 6: As often as you can. As often as you can.
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Speaker 5: Even out of context, I just.
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Speaker 6: Find it really quiet.
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Speaker 5: It's just so much good.
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Speaker 6: It's hilarious. If the show's dragging, it's all, quick, wait until Jackie, quick, Jackie.
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Speaker 7: But do you know what?
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Speaker 10: And then they've obviously tried to smear Warren Pickering, they've tried to give that a good red-hot go to try and drag his past out, and.
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Speaker 7: I thought he handled it really well.
00:22:29
Speaker 10: I thought it was pretty awful that he had to put his children in that scenario, his stepchildren forced.
00:22:34
Speaker 7: to confront the media.
00:22:35
Speaker 10: I mean, tell me which politician.
00:22:37
Speaker 7: Doesn't have a past.
00:22:38
Speaker 6: And that's part of it.
00:22:39
Speaker 2: The irony was, which you mentioned there, the two figures, both Hastie and Warren Pickering, are ex-SAS.
00:22:44
Speaker 5: Correct.
00:22:45
Speaker 2: And Warren Pickering pylon was the week before. And the fact that he was SAS, no, nobody cared. He was labelled this, labelled that.
00:22:52
Speaker 5: Didn't matter.
00:22:52
Speaker 2: You know, slammed from every which way.
00:22:55
Speaker 6: The fact that he, subsequent to those allegations.
00:22:59
Speaker 2: been served in the Australian Army and given his service.
00:23:03
Speaker 6: No, nothing to see here. But a week later, Hastie's out there. How dare you? Six weeks ago.
00:23:08
Speaker 5: There was a cartoon.
00:23:08
Speaker 2: Insult me in a cartoon when I'm an SAS guy.
00:23:12
Speaker 10: And it wasn't even insulting him. It was kind of reflecting on a timeline of events after he made himself to be a traitor.
00:23:20
Speaker 6: It's called a cartoon.
00:23:22
Speaker 7: Seriously.
00:23:23
Speaker 4: It's incredible that I thought that.
00:23:25
Speaker 5: smear campaign of Warren Pickering would stick because the headlines were so salacious and people often don't look at the detail and don't sort of look at the follow up. But it didn't because since that incident, we've had a news poll come out showing One Nation ahead, three points ahead of Labor, 11 points ahead of the Coalition.
00:23:46
Speaker 4: And that Warren Pickering.
00:23:48
Speaker 5: Story, even if you were going to cover it as a news organisation, It really was a story of redemption.
00:23:55
Speaker 6: Yes.
00:23:56
Speaker 5: It was someone who was so troubled in their 20s, in their 20s, so we're not talking about recent history, and then joins the army, gets his life together.
00:24:07
Speaker 4: Which is what.
00:24:08
Speaker 5: raises his kids and his stepchildren.
00:24:11
Speaker 4: Stepchildren.
00:24:11
Speaker 5: I mean, how many fathers are raising their stepchildren single-handedly?
00:24:15
Speaker 16: Mm-hm.
00:24:16
Speaker 6: And.
00:24:17
Speaker 4: And has, you know, now got a.
00:24:20
Speaker 5: Record of service to be proud of. I would have thought that's the story out of that.
00:24:24
Speaker 4: But it was presented... I think it was, though.
00:24:25
Speaker 6: I think it was.
00:24:27
Speaker 5: But that's not how it broke.
00:24:30
Speaker 2: When the two kids got up at the press conference and spoke, the boy and the stepson and the daughter, that was it.
00:24:36
Speaker 6: It was all over.
00:24:37
Speaker 2: They were so good. They were so convincing. They obviously hadn't been media trained or anything like that. They spoke from the heart.
00:24:42
Speaker 6: That was it. It was done and dusted.
00:24:44
Speaker 5: Another stepson came forward a.
00:24:46
Speaker 4: Week later saying that.
00:24:47
Speaker 6: He'd been pressured by.
00:24:49
Speaker 4: He'd been pressured by his mum.
00:24:50
Speaker 10: Rita, what's the mood like on the ground in Victoria? Is there an appetite for One Nation? I mean, the launch, they had over 700 people turn up, everyone very buoyed and excited, but what's the appetite like?
00:25:01
Speaker 5: I think the fear in Victoria is far more profound than it is nationally because the election is so imminent, like I said, less than 60 days, that the support of One Nation and the support of the Libs are going to not combine.
00:25:19
Speaker 4: To defeat Labor. So there is this.
00:25:22
Speaker 5: excitement, but there's also a real fear amongst people who want to get rid of the Labor government, whatever way they've voted over the years, that there's not going to be a level of organisation to ensure that these two votes combine, that there is some preference discipline, that there is some cooperation.
00:25:41
Speaker 6: Well, you hit the nail on the head there, because unless there is preference discipline, and that should be being..... told to every single voter.
00:25:48
Speaker 5: In Victoria every single day. But the coalition is terrified, particularly the leadership, of saying anything that is complementary to One Nation.
00:25:58
Speaker 6: Well, they're insane.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: They don't agree with the other party, but they should be saying, by the way, you know, out on the hustings, they should be saying, by the way.
00:26:05
Speaker 6: you've got to vote for us, we're the Liberal Party or we're One Nation or whatever, but you must preference, you know, One Nation or the Coalition.
00:26:11
Speaker 2: If they don't do that, they're insane. But they're probably leaving the run too late because... I wondered that too... because a lot of people turn up and go, particularly ex-Labour voters, yeah, I'm going to vote One Nation this time. And they'll go, oh, yeah, yeah, but, you know, I've always voted Labor in the past, so I'll preference Labor.
00:26:27
Speaker 6: But I voted One Nation, so that's it. Absolutely.
00:26:29
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
00:26:29
Speaker 6: And bang, and Labor will get back in.
00:26:31
Speaker 10: Well, they got a 60-page policy they announced, so a lot to pour through. It's not just the party of, you know, superficiality where it's all just the party of protests. Now they're saying there's actual meat on the bones.
00:26:41
Speaker 5: Look, we might have, you know, if we were going to make predictions... based on the current polling, it could have a Liberal minority government supported by One Nation. And you would imagine, again, if that polling currently is accurate, One Nation would have a chunk of seats in the upper house. So they will really be able to exert a fair bit of influence on a minority.
00:27:06
Speaker 6: Imagine they vote.
00:27:07
Speaker 7: Them in again.
00:27:08
Speaker 10: Imagine we go through after post Dan Andrews to another Labor government.
00:27:12
Speaker 7: Imagine they do that at the polls again.
00:27:14
Speaker 5: I've always said Ben Carroll is someone to be reckoned with. Jacinta Allen was the Liberals greatest asset. As soon as they got rid of her, the game changed. And Ben Carroll, whatever you say about how awkward he might be or his record, he is a real contender.
00:27:34
Speaker 6: Interesting. OK, well, after the break, more Rita.
00:27:37
Speaker 2: Rita Panahy, Rita's reality check in a tick.
00:27:40
Speaker 6: You're watching Outsiders.
00:27:41
Speaker 2: Right.
00:27:49
Speaker 5: Welcome back.
00:27:50
Speaker 4: You're watching Outsiders with your host, Rowan.
00:27:53
Speaker 5: The kids are revolting, Dean. Lucy, burn it all down, Zelich. And I'm Rita Panahy from such programs as The Rita Panahy Show and Lefties Losing It.
00:28:04
Speaker 4: And given I'm going.
00:28:05
Speaker 5: To be off the airwaves for a few weeks, I thought we'd do a Lefties Losing It segment right here on Outsiders before I take off to Europe and... Aren't I just thrilled to be heading into this degeneracy with student-led protests in France organised by far-left agitators causing utter mayhem. Now media will tell you, the media, the leftist media, claim these students are just protesting for small class sizes and greater resources, even as they burn down schools and attack teachers. Let's have a look at the footage. And no one is safe in these protests. They have attacked firefighters and even women at bus stops. In this next Shocking clip, a thug casually sets a woman's face alight. This is just disturbing footage and I give you a warning. You know, when the local mayor of one of France's prime ruled areas joins in the rioting, then you know the country is in deep trouble. This next gentleman in a suit is Bali Bagayako. the far-leftist mayor of Saint-Denis.
00:29:44
Speaker 17: Bali!
00:29:44
Speaker 15: Bali!
00:29:46
Speaker 14: Bali!
00:29:47
Speaker 17: Bali!
00:29:47
Speaker 14: Bali! Bali!
00:29:49
Speaker 6: Bali!
00:29:50
Speaker 17: Bali!
00:29:57
Speaker 4: Charming stuff. Well done, France.
00:30:00
Speaker 5: Now let's go to the US, where actor Ellen Page, now calling herself Elliot Page and identifying as a man, a miserable man, always miserable, the actor is now leading protests demanding New York hospitals restore so-called gender-affirming care for youngsters, aka transitioning young confused kids with irreversible treatments and surgeries. Weren't the left claiming this wasn't even happening? It was some right wing scare campaign? Apparently not.
00:30:34
Speaker 16: While these cuts have hit so many, trans youth and their families have been at the center of them. For decades, hospitals like NYU Langone, Mount Sinai, and New York Presbyterian provided care for trans youth. But earlier this year, they abruptly cut it. Despite statewide protections and express support for this care from officials like New York Attorney General Tish Janes and New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani, these institutions cave to threats from Trump's Department of Justice.
00:31:07
Speaker 5: Absolutely disgusting antics from Elliot Page, trying to restore the ability of activist doctors to essentially sterilise kids. That's what happens when confused kids are medically transitioned with irreversible treatments.
00:31:22
Speaker 4: Now to a woman who.
00:31:23
Speaker 5: Would restore so-called gender-affirming care for children in a heartbeat if she ever became president. And I think Kamala Harris is going to run again. In fact, I would put money on it. You know why? Because she's trialling new accents and new word salads. Let's see if we can work out what she's trying to convey here as she becomes unburdened by what has been.
00:31:49
Speaker 18: I'll speak for myself. None of us achieve success without that level of profound support and reinforcement.
00:31:59
Speaker 7: Yes, yes.
00:32:00
Speaker 10: Right?
00:32:01
Speaker 18: Around not only a memory of legacy and the path on which you stand that was charted long before you, but also giving you some sense of pride in what can be the destiny and was the destiny that so many fought for.
00:32:16
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:32:17
Speaker 19: Right?
00:32:17
Speaker 20: Yeah.
00:32:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so good, Kamala. More, please, more.
00:32:23
Speaker 5: Now to another woman who many believe is destined to run for the presidency, Michelle Obama.
00:32:30
Speaker 4: Here she is.
00:32:30
Speaker 5: With Sharon Stone, of all people, both of them saying spectacularly stupid stuff.
00:32:37
Speaker 18: What kind of arcane bulls * * t is this?
00:32:42
Speaker 5: If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion from a vending machine.
00:32:46
Speaker 17: Exactly.
00:32:51
Speaker 7: There would be the birth Olympics, you know?
00:32:54
Speaker 5: Men would film themselves going into labour and honouring.
00:32:58
Speaker 10: Their pain and, you know, there would be trophies given, you know?
00:33:03
Speaker 7: Well done, dude!
00:33:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, because women never filmed themselves going into labour.
00:33:09
Speaker 4: That's never happened in history.
00:33:12
Speaker 5: Frankly, fairly bigoted.
00:33:14
Speaker 4: To say men can't have babies, ladies. Check yourselves. Now I have good news.
00:33:18
Speaker 5: Our favourite Swedish doom goblin, Greta Thunberg, has found a new cause that combines two of her great loves, the climate cult and open borders. Here she claims those fleeing the climate crisis and coming to Europe illegally are being sent back to concentration camps. Goodness.
00:33:39
Speaker 13: The EU just decided to give even more power to the deadly border agency Frontex. This will inevitably lead to more people being killed and abducted on the Mediterranean, often being put in concentration torture camps in places like Libya. The same EU that is fuelling the very disasters that people are being forced to flee from, such as exporting weapons and climate crisis.
00:34:06
Speaker 5: You know, Greta Thunberg seems to have lost interest in the Palestinian cause.
00:34:12
Speaker 4: But that can't be said for this next character.
00:34:15
Speaker 5: Now, let's end with the lefties losing it, who is so wacky, so hilarious, that I'm not sure if this is real or parody. I mean, who can tell these days? The left are beyond parody. Here is London kebab shop owner declaring Ed Sheeran is banned from his restaurant. F * * * that up!
00:34:38
Speaker 6: Ed Sheeran, you're banned from my restaurant. You broke the most important code that is known to mankind, which is freedom of speech. You're not going to have it.
00:34:53
Speaker 15: You broke the code.
00:34:55
Speaker 6: You're banned. You are banned.
00:34:59
Speaker 21: You're not going to have the shawarma, just like these guys.
00:35:04
Speaker 17: F * * * Lovage.
00:35:06
Speaker 3: F * * * Lovage.
00:35:07
Speaker 6: That was hilarious.
00:35:15
Speaker 5: That was the funniest thing I've seen all year, I think. I hope it's parody, but I have a feeling it may not be.
00:35:22
Speaker 7: I'm concerned for these people and their mental wellbeing, to be honest.
00:35:25
Speaker 5: Well, that's pretty much the entire premise of Lefty's Lucy.
00:35:29
Speaker 4: It's almost like a welfare check on the leg.
00:35:32
Speaker 6: Absolutely. Well done. Well, let's cross over now to the UK.
00:35:35
Speaker 2: Great friend of the show, author and former Reform UK candidate, Myron Central.
00:35:38
Speaker 6: Nathan. Myron, great to see you, as always. Thanks so much for coming on the show.
00:35:44
Speaker 2: Let's kick off. There's lots to talk about, but France, what's going on, Myron?
00:35:50
Speaker 11: France, yeah, France is on fire. It started off as a kind of classroom dispute where French students were complaining about not having enough AC or being rat infested. And suddenly it spilled over into acid attacks, into flame throwing, into dousing people. teachers with petrol, extraordinary scenes spreading all across France. And it seems to be a combination of, yes, grievance of the lack of investment, but that's just an initial spark. But it spilled over into this activism of this kind of Marxist activism where you see yourself as the oppressed victim and revolution must be demanded. And then you compound that with the idea of mass immigration as well. A lot of these students have come from either first or second or third generation even coming from Africa. Compound that all together and you have this lawless generation rampaging throughout the country causing absolute havoc. And a lot of us are getting concerned because the blueprint of what's making this happen in France could easily be a blueprint that could be replicated across Europe.
00:36:57
Speaker 2: Myron, a lot of Palestinian flags were seen in some of those scenes that were coming out of France. You're right, it's spiralled way beyond the so-called students. Just quickly want to ask you about comments you made online regarding comments that Suella Braverman had made.
00:37:14
Speaker 6: Which sparked a bit of a debate about... Let's have a listen and give us your feedback afterwards.
00:37:20
Speaker 5: Not an English person.
00:37:21
Speaker 15: I am of Asian origin.
00:37:23
Speaker 22: Why are the English peoples the only group of people on the earth who cannot have a distinct identity?
00:37:31
Speaker 7: I think it becomes pretty.
00:37:32
Speaker 22: Obvious when people have got a lineage, an ancestry, a connection to the heritage of this country, which dates back a few generations.
00:37:42
Speaker 6: Myron, your thoughts?
00:37:45
Speaker 11: Well, I think the left love to talk about ethnic minorities, but when it comes to the ethnic majority, they kind of say it doesn't really exist. And Suella Braven was making a very obvious point that there is an ethnic majority in England, and ethnicity is about ancestry and cultural ancestry. Now, I'm born in England, but I have an ancestry that stretches back to Sri Lanka. I'm a Sri Lankan Tamil ancestry. So if I have that ancestry, I cannot have English ancestry, which means I'm not ethnically English. It's a very, very obvious point that Suella Braven's making. But you get people on the left saying that, you know, identity is a personal construct. And I have no sympathy for that. It's not a personal construct. It is a hard fact. But what I will say is this, is that.
00:38:31
Speaker 15: This has.
00:38:31
Speaker 11: Come about because Britain is in an identity crisis. In the 1970s, 80s and 90s, it was commonplace to use the word English freely and no one batted an eyelid. In fact, it was kind of seen as prejudicial not to attribute it to.
00:38:47
Speaker 6: People like me.
00:38:49
Speaker 11: But now we're in a post-mass migration era where the white demographic is dwindling and there is an identity crisis. So words have to have meaning in this situation, in this context. And I go back to what Brendan O'Neill wrote in The Spectator. If you're a proud white Englishman, you're seen as racist. But if you're a brown person who says they're not English, you're also seen as racist. And it's just this weird, confusing thing about identity politics that I just cannot understand.
00:39:20
Speaker 5: It's very hard to keep up with. Really, they changed the rules very quickly. I want to ask you about the man accused of the brutal murder of Anne Whittaker. We've now learnt that he has been charged with preparing acts of terror against Nigel Farage. We were told when this crime happened, in fact, we were assured by the police that this wasn't terrorism, it wasn't politically motivated, and it now appears that it very much was.
00:39:51
Speaker 11: Yeah, about a month ago, Nigel kind of hinted at this in a press conference where he said that there was an attempted firebombing of Nigel Farage's house, which the counterterrorism department didn't really look into.
00:40:04
Speaker 6: They didn't really take it seriously.
00:40:06
Speaker 11: And the counterterrorism, he actually surrendered themselves for investigation because they knew that something had come up. And so this was all hush-hush for a long time. And now the story has come out that the murder of Anne Whittakin, this person who's allegedly murdered and is on trial, is now being looked at for actually attempting acts of terrorism against Nigel Farage. And it goes back to the question that when it comes to people on the right, especially reform MPs, reform politicians, the establishment, the media, they don't take their claim seriously. Their life is under threat in many cases. And I would say that Nigel Farage's life amongst almost any politician in Britain is under the most threat. And so, yeah, this has to be taken very, very seriously. And it's vindication for Nigel for having sounded the alarm a long, long time ago about threats to reform politicians.
00:40:56
Speaker 6: Lucy.
00:40:56
Speaker 10: It's startling, Myron, that it wasn't taken as seriously as we'd all felt on the ground when we heard the news break. I want to switch gears and ask you about this particular story via Ms Riddell-Carpenter, who is Parliamentary Under-Secretary at the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, who said that, and I quote, it'll be that warm ale, a black Labrador by your feet in a pub that doesn't exist. and with symbolism of fox hunting all around them, it'll be a very far-right nostalgic vision of Britain that we don't want to.
00:41:28
Speaker 7: Have and never really existed.
00:41:31
Speaker 10: So now, Myron, apparently warm ale and a black Labrador is a UK far-right fantasy.
00:41:39
Speaker 11: Yeah, so what's happened again is the left want to attack anything that is authentically English and authentically British because they see it as a threat to their progressive agenda. I mean, conservatism is all.
00:41:54
Speaker 6: About conserving what is.
00:41:58
Speaker 19: precious and what the left try and do is they try and deconstruct everything to almost make it without value.
00:42:08
Speaker 11: To the point that you can just say it's a fantasy that he was saying was that the pub the beer the labrador it's all just a fantasy it's not really in all right we'll use to kind of embolden their identity and we should dismiss it so this is a classic um tack tick off the left to deconstruct everything to the point we're saying nothing has value and then you can you can continue your progressive agenda so it's a standard a playbook out of the leftist agenda.
00:42:37
Speaker 2: Well myron you know that when you come out to australia i'll take you down to the nearest pub with my black uh cavoodle there and we'll have a few pints together Looking forward to it very much.
00:42:45
Speaker 6: Thanks, Myron.
00:42:46
Speaker 5: You're racist!
00:42:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Thanks, Myron.
00:42:50
Speaker 2: Central Nathan there in London. OK, going to take a short break.
00:42:54
Speaker 6: When we come back, Emissions Impossible. In a tick.
00:43:05
Speaker 2: You're watching Outsiders, and thank you so much for watching us every Sunday morning. We certainly do appreciate... Your presence. Well, emissions, impossible. It's our mission and we do it with glee. It's to point out the insanity of the entire net zero renewables agenda. People talk about emissions the whole time. Emissions actually refers to carbon dioxide.
00:43:23
Speaker 6: That's what they're talking about. We're not talking about pollution, we're.
00:43:25
Speaker 2: Talking about carbon dioxide and the great crusade against carbon dioxide, which is essentially plant food.
00:43:31
Speaker 6: Have a listen now.
00:43:33
Speaker 2: They just don't seem to learn.
00:43:35
Speaker 6: Have a listen to Jane Hume... Who?
00:43:38
Speaker 5: of the Coalition.
00:43:40
Speaker 2: She's the deputy leader of the Liberal Party, of the Liberals in government, in opposition.
00:43:46
Speaker 6: Have a listen to what she said this week.
00:43:47
Speaker 11: Does that mean the Coalition has any policy at all to lower emissions?
00:43:53
Speaker 9: Well, we are committed to seeing lower emissions.
00:43:56
Speaker 7: I think that everybody is.
00:43:57
Speaker 19: How, though?
00:43:58
Speaker 6: If you're removing all the things you listed.
00:43:59
Speaker 7: Well, of course you want to.
00:44:00
Speaker 9: Well, emissions don't just come down through energy policy, David. They also come down through things like transport and agriculture. And we want to make sure that, you know.
00:44:10
Speaker 6: So, what's one plan you have to lower emissions?
00:44:12
Speaker 9: As a conservative party, as a party of the conservative side of politics, conservation is, of course, instinctive to us.
00:44:20
Speaker 7: We want to see clean air.
00:44:23
Speaker 2: Well, Jane was wearing a green jacket there and that was pretty appropriate. For her information, if you start targeting, every farmer in Australia will have listened to that with horror. What she's talking about is agriculture being used to bring down carbon emissions in line with the Paris Agreement.
00:44:42
Speaker 6: That's what she's talking about.
00:44:44
Speaker 2: Firstly, the Coalition should have pulled out of the Paris Agreement, as we've said on this show all along, in saying that they haven't, and now she's opened the floodgates whereby every single farmer in Australia can be absolutely terrified what the Liberal Coalition has in plan for farmers.
00:45:01
Speaker 6: She just said it then.
00:45:02
Speaker 2: Agriculture is the future of bringing down emissions and transport. Either she is clueless and doesn't know what she's talking about, or, and this is really scary, she's actually saying that the Liberals, the Coalition, intend to pursue this insane emissions reduction.
00:45:18
Speaker 6: Lucy.
00:45:19
Speaker 7: Isn't this just.
00:45:20
Speaker 10: The perfect and most emblematic example of why they are where they are? So I distinctly recall interviewing when David Littleproud was the leader of the Nationals. This is going back a year and a half ago, possibly January last year.
00:45:33
Speaker 7: And I said, why are we still in the Paris Agreement?
00:45:34
Speaker 5: What are we doing, right?
00:45:36
Speaker 10: You're seeing other nations around the world pull out of this, chief among them, United States under Donald Trump.
00:45:40
Speaker 7: Why are we still in it?
00:45:41
Speaker 10: And his argument at the time was there was an economic requirement for us to stay in it. Now look at where we are over a year and a half later. They're saying that, oh, yes, we're going to ditch net zero. We're going to this. And then you have interviews like that from Jane Hume.
00:45:55
Speaker 7: They don't know if they're Arthur or they're Martha. And if they're wondering why they are where they are, just look at it. They only have themselves to blame.
00:46:02
Speaker 2: Rita?
00:46:02
Speaker 5: This is the broad church that has undone the modern Liberal Party. You can't stand for anything when you stand for everything. And that's the problem. And they've got a few... smaller liberals, the bedwetters, as some call them, who are still within the party. And some people may be wondering why they've been so quiet of late. Obviously, the rise of One Nation is chiefly the reason. But the other reason is, as you pointed out, Rowan, perhaps there is an understanding that we abandoned net zero, we changed our stance on energy policy.
00:46:38
Speaker 4: But we're still part of Paris.
00:46:40
Speaker 5: Because we're going to reduce emissions via agriculture and other means. Transportation.
00:46:45
Speaker 4: And maybe internally.
00:46:46
Speaker 6: She said it.
00:46:47
Speaker 4: That is a.
00:46:48
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I could only hope that she just came up with some things to appease the ABC there and that wasn't a genuine position. Because if that's genuinely their position, one, they should be open with the Australian people and say where they stand on this.
00:47:04
Speaker 4: And two, disastrous.
00:47:06
Speaker 6: Disastrous.
00:47:06
Speaker 7: But what does it mean? Like electric vehicles? Like EV trucks?
00:47:11
Speaker 2: The Paris Agreement, which we are signed up to and which drives the entire Chris Bowen agenda, says that you have to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the following areas. The energy sector. the transportation sector. We haven't even started to touch that. The agriculture sector.
00:47:29
Speaker 7: So cows farting.
00:47:30
Speaker 6: All your diesel tractors are out the window.
00:47:32
Speaker 4: Reducing your herd size.
00:47:36
Speaker 2: It is both environmentally ridiculous, but more importantly, it's economic suicide to try and reduce emissions.
00:47:44
Speaker 6: In transportation and in agriculture.
00:47:46
Speaker 7: But we're already on that trajectory.
00:47:47
Speaker 2: We are, and the point about saying no to net zero is to stop that, because it is destroying the economy of the Australian agricultural industry, it's destroying public services and so on.
00:47:59
Speaker 6: We've seen yet again... We've had Origin.
00:48:03
Speaker 2: So, none of this stuff adds up economically, and it's a lie to suggest that the future.
00:48:08
Speaker 2: That you can reach net zero or reduce emissions without damaging the economy.
00:48:11
Speaker 5: Rowan, are you suggesting we're not going to be a renewable superpower? Is that what you're trying to say?
00:48:16
Speaker 6: I hate to break it to you. I hate to tell you out there, all you folks who bought.
00:48:19
Speaker 2: Your renewable shares, we ain't going to be a renewable superpower.
00:48:24
Speaker 5: Is there such a.
00:48:25
Speaker 6: You know, the only.
00:48:26
Speaker 5: Renewable superpower is China, because they're the ones... selling us all those solar panels and wind turbines and all that other infrastructure that is soiling our countryside.
00:48:39
Speaker 4: So, thank you, China.
00:48:39
Speaker 2: You can only be a renewable superpower if you have massive hydroelectricity, and which China has, Norway has, countries. To have hydroelectricity, Malcolm, You need mountains, not little hills like Kosciuszko. You need mountains with vast reservoirs of water. That is what you need to be a renewable superpower, which we can never be, because if you look out the window, we're a pretty flat country.
00:49:00
Speaker 6: That's it. That's the end of it.
00:49:01
Speaker 5: Well, we really don't need to be, Rowan, because we are blessed with natural resources, as we often mention on this program.
00:49:08
Speaker 4: Hundreds, perhaps thousands.
00:49:09
Speaker 5: Of years of reserves that we could just be tapping into for cheap, reliable energy for.
00:49:15
Speaker 4: Our citizens and for our citizenry.
00:49:18
Speaker 5: Just the Beetlejuice alone. in the NT has gas reserves for the country for 200 years. There's just one.
00:49:27
Speaker 17: Yep.
00:49:27
Speaker 7: And then add to that South Australia, right?
00:49:29
Speaker 6: Uranium, coal, gas.
00:49:30
Speaker 7: On the Olympic Dam, right?
00:49:32
Speaker 10: The highest uranium deposits some have in the world. And now, ironically, you have South Australia, who are a state that have gone all out in this renewable energy scheme. And according to Canstar, we look at their statistics and the cost of their electricity. They and both the ACT, who are also all in on renewables, some of the highest electricity prices in the country.
00:49:51
Speaker 21: Yep.
00:49:51
Speaker 10: So it's all there. The proof is in the pudding. When you get your bills every month and you can see it.
00:49:56
Speaker 7: But this.
00:49:57
Speaker 10: You know, again, Origin quietly abandoning this wind project.
00:50:00
Speaker 7: Why is it? Because the costs are too high to run. Inflation, construction costs.
00:50:05
Speaker 5: And they have said.
00:50:06
Speaker 2: It's way more expensive than it was back in 2020. So the construction costs of this stuff, it's all a massive con.
00:50:13
Speaker 7: It's a huge con job.
00:50:14
Speaker 5: If you removed the market interference, if you removed all the subsidies, all the taxpayer money that's popping up, a lot.
00:50:22
Speaker 4: Of these projects.
00:50:22
Speaker 6: The hidden costs... and let.
00:50:24
Speaker 5: The market actually decide what is the cheapest form of energy, what is worth investing in, It would make the situation so much worse. The government subsidies, our tax dollars, have propped up so many of these projects.
00:50:40
Speaker 6: And they still are.
00:50:41
Speaker 2: More than 500 jobs have just had to be bailed out at Rio Tinto in Tasmania.
00:50:44
Speaker 17: There you go.
00:50:45
Speaker 10: Add to that Tomago, Gippsland Dawn in Victoria, Gippsland Skies, Kidston, the wind project up in Queensland.
00:50:52
Speaker 7: Under the.
00:50:54
Speaker 10: Capacity investment scheme, guess how many projects finally have come to fruition? just one, zero, have occurred offshore. And, by the way, we won't find out how much that costs.
00:51:05
Speaker 7: Because it's under commercial incompetence.
00:51:07
Speaker 10: Yes.
00:51:08
Speaker 7: Right?
00:51:08
Speaker 6: It's just a joke.
00:51:09
Speaker 2: I'd call it commercial incompetence, because that's the Chris Bowen mantra.
00:51:13
Speaker 6: Commercial incompetence. There we go, Chris Bowen.
00:51:15
Speaker 2: Isn't he toddling off to his Fiji thing? Actually, I don't think you're going to Europe at all. I think you're going to Fiji. You're the special speaker. You're going to watch.
00:51:25
Speaker 7: The rising sea levels, Rita? You know what?
00:51:26
Speaker 4: We've spent hundreds of millions.
00:51:28
Speaker 5: I may as well get some sort of benefit from this taxpayer largesse.
00:51:32
Speaker 2: OK, going to take a short break. More on Outsiders in a bit. Hello, you're watching Outsiders with Rita, mon Dieu, Panahi, Lucy, Zut alors, Zelek, and myself, Rowan, incroyable, Dean. Having lived in Paris when I was a kid and gone to school there, I have been horrified by the events of the last few days. Over 400 schools around the country have apparently been torched in what is being described as some kind of leftist anti-education protest. Here is a journalist listing all the towns the protests are taking place in.
00:52:07
Speaker 23: Arwen, Alion, To Nîmes, to Dijon, to Marseille, to Toulouse, to Lille, to Strasbourg, to Brest.
00:52:22
Speaker 7: To Bordeaux, to Havre, to Nantes.
00:52:26
Speaker 23: To Roubaix, to Rennes, to Tours, to Grenoble or even to Saint-Etienne.
00:52:37
Speaker 2: And as Rita showed us earlier in this sickening display, the left-wing mayor of Saint-Denis, a Muslim no-go zone, gleefully entered the fray.
00:52:45
Speaker 17: Yeah, ooh la la, indeed.
00:52:56
Speaker 6: The riots are spreading.
00:52:58
Speaker 2: Thousands of so-called students have been arrested, with commentators describing scenes of unbridled violence and carnage. Teachers have been doused with petrol in this shocking image of firemen as seen here in the aftermath of the small explosion.
00:53:13
Speaker 6: Marine Le Pen, France's popular.
00:53:15
Speaker 2: Right-wing leader, has declared the protests are being deliberately fuelled by her hard-left opponent and others are suggesting that they are a dry run for left-wing mayhem planned for the presidential elections next year.
00:53:28
Speaker 6: Heaven help us.
00:53:29
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is just one of the people who has been warning of.
00:53:32
Speaker 6: Very dark times ahead for Europe. He said this just a year ago. attacks, the terrorism, the killing of innocent people is rising.
00:53:41
Speaker 2: Every week, there's more.
00:53:42
Speaker 6: And it's more and more.
00:53:45
Speaker 2: And eventually, I think we're going to see widespread slaughter in Europe. It also would appear from these images that some of the pro-Palestinian crowd are, to whatever degree, involved with or taking advantage of these riots. The collapse of Western civilisation across Europe appears to be accelerating. Which reminds me, it seems like only yesterday, but it was in fact three years ago this week that we had a special guest in the studio, David Adler. David was, of course, the head and founder of the Australian Jewish Association, now run by the very talented Robert Gregory. David had been on the phone to me repeatedly throughout the afternoon before and the evening of the previous day, which was obviously a Saturday. What had begun as shock at the first reports coming in from Israel about some kind of shootings and kidnappings at a music festival had become, over several hours, the chilling realisation as to what was occurring, one of the worst massacres in modern history.
00:54:57
Speaker 6: October the 7th, 2023. I can still remember.
00:55:01
Speaker 6: The shiver that.
00:55:02
Speaker 2: Ran down my spine that Saturday afternoon, it was a lovely sunny day in Sydney, when David said to me on, I think it was the second or third call, Rowan, I've got a really, really bad feeling about this.
00:55:15
Speaker 6: During a subsequent call, it was clear he was fighting back the tears. But David was in our studio next.
00:55:21
Speaker 2: Morning, the Sunday morning, composed but traumatised, as always, as he struggled to try and relay and comprehend the scale of the events as we understood them at the time. I doubt David had slept a wink that night. October the 7th exposed, for those with eyes to see and minds to think for themselves, the utter depravity of the radical Islamist, anti-Zionist, so-called political cause. I was looking back through my text from David yesterday, one text that I could never have imagined in my worst nightmares, sums up the horror of October 7th.
00:55:58
Speaker 6: Quote... Beheaded babies.
00:56:01
Speaker 2: Have been found in a kibbutz. Let me be crystal, crystal clear. There is no political cause on the planet that justifies the level of evil, sadistic depravity that took place that day.
00:56:18
Speaker 6: None.
00:56:19
Speaker 2: It shouldn't need saying, but it does need saying because the sinister moral relativism of the left has allowed Islamists... radical Palestinian supporters, neo-Marxists and other ratbags and scumbags of the left to put forward some kind of sick and perverted rationalisation for that horrific crime. Summed up in the fatuous comment, hurt people hurt people. No, sorry, savages behave savagely, is how I would put it.
00:56:54
Speaker 6: The moment you seek to justify in any.
00:56:56
Speaker 2: Shape or form or even show a skerrick of sympathy for the vile monsters who plotted and carried out that orgy of pure evil, you have lost any credibility, let alone any sense of morality.
00:57:08
Speaker 6: As I said on that morning, and have repeated many times.
00:57:11
Speaker 2: Since, every single individual responsible for that pogrom must be brought to justice and either be killed or imprisoned for life.
00:57:21
Speaker 6: That's it.
00:57:22
Speaker 2: There was and is only one course of action that the Israeli government could pursue, in my opinion, and that is precisely what they have done. First, to rescue all the hostages and then.
00:57:35
Speaker 6: To eradicate Hamas. Full stop.
00:57:39
Speaker 2: And as for the Americans, the only acceptable response, in my opinion, was to destroy the Islamist regime in Tehran that has been sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and all the other terrorist proxies for decades.
00:57:53
Speaker 6: So three years on, where are we?
00:57:55
Speaker 2: Hamas has largely but not yet entirely been wiped out. That task needs to be completed. Much of Gaza is in rubble, but the blame for that rests squarely on the shoulders of Hamas. Back in 2005, the Israelis handed Gaza over to the Palestinian authorities as a precursor to further land for peace deals.
00:58:16
Speaker 12: What?
00:58:18
Speaker 2: Even back then, I personally thought they were nuts to do so. In the process, some eight or 9,000 Israelis were forcibly removed, dragged out of their own homes to give the Palestinians what they craved, a Palestinian Gaza free of Jews.
00:58:34
Speaker 6: Look what they did with it and.
00:58:36
Speaker 2: With the billions of dollars in aid that came from the taxpayers of the West. Did they build a free and prosperous Gaza with its own market economy and culturally enriching institutions?
00:58:49
Speaker 6: No.
00:58:50
Speaker 2: After first literally smashing to pieces the Israeli-built glasshouses and market gardens of Gaza, that had been the Gazans' economic bedrock. Hamas built, we now know, a society that to all intents and purposes, from the education system to the construction of a vast underground network of tunnels to the purchase of ammunition and weapons, was ultimately geared to and dedicated to the bloodshed, terror and murder of October 7th. Pay for Slay was one such program where the Palestinian Authority rewards murderers of Jews with money and other luxuries. as we reported in The Spectator Australia and here on Outsiders, in certain instances via Australian tax dollars. Indeed, thanks to the constant Israel bashing from the socialists and globalists of the United Nations and mealy-mouthed leftist Western governments, the putrid Hamas government was not only tolerated but arguably encouraged in its vile anti-Zionist, anti-Israel hatred and ideological pursuit. Partly thanks to that Spectator Australia article and his appearances on this show, David Adler, by the way, with the help of Pauline Hanson and others, managed to get Foreign Minister Julie Bishop to cancel $ 10 million per year of your tax dollars going to the Palestinian Authority. Penny Wong, shamefully, on becoming Foreign Minister in the Albanese government, then promptly restored and even increased that amount, this time to ANWR, the United Nations body that employed numerous individuals subsequently.
01:00:27
Speaker 6: Linked to Hamas.
01:00:31
Speaker 2: But what none of us foresaw was the disgusting reactions to October 7th, starting that very next night with this appalling and disgusting display from the western suburbs of Sydney. First, the fireworks. followed by this horror show.
01:00:59
Speaker 6: I'm smiling and I'm happy!
01:01:03
Speaker 5: I'm elated!
01:01:06
Speaker 6: It's a day of courage!
01:01:07
Speaker 14: It's a day of happiness! It's a day of pride! It's a day of victory! This is the day we've been waiting for! 75 years!
01:01:27
Speaker 6: And from there, unbelievably, it only got worse. The disgusting scenes.
01:01:31
Speaker 2: The next night on the steps of the Opera House, described by The Spectator Australia as a pogrom at the opera, where the only person the police were interested in stopping was a man with an Israeli flag, where pictures of Australians screaming F the Jews were beamed all around the world. And then, in no particular order, we got Scenes at Sydney Uni where Randa Abdel Fattah led a protest where children chanted from the river to the sea and Intifada, Intifada. We got Grace Tame going one step further and screeching the repugnant slogan from Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the Intifada, which, if it is to be taken in its most literal sense, is arguably a call for Indigenous Australians to run around stabbing and blowing up non-Indigenous Australians. Tame denies such a meaning was her intent. Randa Abdel-Fattah, meanwhile, is currently touting her book and her obnoxious views around Ireland, where she has declared that anti-Semitism is not her concern because it's a problem for white people.
01:02:35
Speaker 6: Or some such drivel.
01:02:36
Speaker 2: Penny Wong last week popped up at the UN again, as usual, regurgitating what appears to be utter garbage about Israel and the West Bank, as Natasha Hastolf pointed out at the top of this show. We've had a Clayton's Royal Commission into anti-Semitism that seems to have largely managed to ignore the obvious headline act known politely as radical Islam. We've had the Albanese government fatuously recognising the non-existent state of Palestine. We've had the disgraceful Sydney Harbour Bridge March, a national day of shame for all involved.
01:03:07
Speaker 6: My opinion.
01:03:08
Speaker 2: We've had any number of outrageous anti-Semitic attacks on synagogues, cars, shops and, of course, the pure, unadulterated evil of the Bondi massacre, the first anniversary of which is only a couple of months away.
01:03:21
Speaker 6: Opera House, Harbour Bridge, Bondi Beach, three.
01:03:24
Speaker 2: Of Australia's most iconic locations sullied and stained by the repulsive actions of those who have chosen to show some level of moral support, directly or indirectly, with the barbarians and savages of October 7th. Oh, and why, you might ask, isn't David Adler sitting with us in the studio this morning?
01:03:45
Speaker 6: Because he's migrated to Israel.
01:03:47
Speaker 2: After all the death threats and vile abuse he and his wife endured after October 7th, merely for speaking up, David feels safer in Israel than he does in Australia. Shame on this nation. I want to now bring in our next guest, I'm delighted to say author and activist Brigitte Gabriel. She's the founder of Act For America, an advocacy group that opposes Islamic extremism and is also a survivor of terrorism herself. As the riots in France are ongoing, I thought it fitting to bring up her amazing quote when Brigitte said, when I was born, Beirut was considered the Paris of the Middle East. Today, Paris is considered the Beirut of Europe.
01:04:37
Speaker 6: Brilliant.
01:04:37
Speaker 2: Brigitte, great to have you on Outsiders. We've been looking forward to this so much.
01:04:42
Speaker 6: Paris.
01:04:43
Speaker 15: Thank you.
01:04:44
Speaker 6: Tell us what you think about what is happening in France.
01:04:49
Speaker 24: It is very sad watching what's happening in France, a once beautiful, amazing country, welcoming, multicultural, open-mindedness, open-heartedness, most beautiful Paris, most beautiful city.
01:05:05
Speaker 15: To see what's.
01:05:06
Speaker 24: Happening right now in France is heartbreaking because the French have imported people here into their country who do not.
01:05:15
Speaker 15: Share their values.
01:05:16
Speaker 24: Look, we have had people in the past, as democratic nations, who protest when they want to, when they have an opposing view, where they want to make their voice heard. But we have never seen riots to this extent where people are setting their own buildings on fire, their own firefighters on fire.
01:05:35
Speaker 15: We have seen horrific images coming out of.
01:05:37
Speaker 24: France And this is not the France that the French people want to live in, nor that they hope their country in the 21st century would look like.
01:05:47
Speaker 6: Rita.
01:05:49
Speaker 5: Marie Le Pen is soaring in the polls, and I think these protests are a perfect advertisement for.
01:05:57
Speaker 4: Her political party. Is it too late for France?
01:06:01
Speaker 5: There's conjecture that, as they say, democracy is destiny, and perhaps for France.
01:06:08
Speaker 4: It's too late.
01:06:10
Speaker 24: Well, I hope if they win the election, meaning Le Pen's party, they will be able to start instituting laws that will have some form of control over immigration, just like what President Trump did in the United States with the deportation of people, obviously not all the people who broke into the country or came into the United States of America, but people.
01:06:33
Speaker 15: Who have a criminal tracking record.
01:06:36
Speaker 24: Where they were able to capture them and expel them out of the United States. So we're not throwing everybody out, but at least we are starting with the criminals who are residing in the country who can instigate problems. So if France has any hope of turning the ship around and fixing the country.
01:06:55
Speaker 15: The people of France need to be bold enough to be able.
01:06:59
Speaker 24: To vote elected officials into power who will be able to have new laws that will be able to control who is coming into the country, who is allowed to stay in the country, and to tighten their immigration.
01:07:12
Speaker 15: Laws, as well as.
01:07:13
Speaker 24: Empower their law enforcement to basically enforce the law. Because right now, we are witnessing lawlessness on the streets.
01:07:21
Speaker 6: Lucy.
01:07:22
Speaker 10: Brigitte, I did receive a sprinkling of hope when I saw scenes out of France recently after the arrival of Pope Leo and 700,000 Christians and proud Catholics taking to the street to welcome him, to honour him, to worship him. I'm just curious, from your perspective, as a proud Christian Lebanese woman, just how much has changed in Lebanon throughout the ages?
01:07:48
Speaker 6: Wow.
01:07:48
Speaker 24: I mean, I was born and raised in Lebanon, which used to be Paris of the Middle East. Unfortunately, today, Lebanon is a majority Islamic country controlled by a terrorist regime called Hezbollah, manipulated by the country Iran, which is the largest Islamic exporting country.
01:08:07
Speaker 15: A country of terror around the world.
01:08:10
Speaker 24: The Lebanese people and the Lebanese government is trying to take back control of the country, but it is very difficult, because they let it go for so long, decades of this deterioration in law and in the rise of Islamic radicalism, where Hezbollah basically multiplied enough through marriage and children to vote themselves into the government.
01:08:32
Speaker 15: And once you have.
01:08:33
Speaker 24: Lebanese citizens who are elected into the government, who are radical and an extended arm of Iran, that's what drove the country into the abyss to where Lebanon is today.
01:08:43
Speaker 15: There are pockets of Lebanon.
01:08:44
Speaker 24: That are thriving, where the Christian areas, where the Christians live, but the majority of the country has been just plummeted into bankruptcy, failure on every level of the government. Now, the Pope, they put a great show for the Pope when he visited Lebanon.
01:08:59
Speaker 15: I have to say.
01:09:01
Speaker 24: You know, in Lebanon, the majority are Catholics like me, you know. So the Christian put a great show for the Pope when he came. You know, everybody got their act together.
01:09:09
Speaker 15: They cleaned the streets. They cleaned the garbage.
01:09:11
Speaker 24: So this is why the current Pope says, oh, Lebanon is an example. I have seen how Muslims and Christians get along, which is nothing more than a facade that they put together for the Pope.
01:09:21
Speaker 15: That's not the reality on the ground.
01:09:23
Speaker 24: But I am encouraged to see a rise in the West of people who.
01:09:29
Speaker 15: Are getting back to the family values.
01:09:33
Speaker 24: The nuclear family, saying maybe we have gone so far out of the traditional family, the going to church on Sunday, having some form of a spirituality which gives the culture a basis for honesty, integrity, order, law, respecting authority. I think the people in the West right now watching the deterioration of the West because of all.
01:09:56
Speaker 15: The foreign migrants.
01:09:58
Speaker 24: They have imported, especially Islamic migrants, I think more and more people are realising the value of spirituality in whatever form, whether you are Catholic or Protestant or whatever type of form of social order and faith. I think we're seeing more and more people gravitate to that because they are realising they are losing their country and their foundation.
01:10:21
Speaker 2: So, Brigitte, tell us what you make of the Australian government recognising Palestine and of the comments, I don't know if you heard them in the United Nations... this week from our foreign minister, Penny Wong, basically attacking Israel, which is her favourite, seems to be her shtick.
01:10:41
Speaker 6: Tell us what you make.
01:10:42
Speaker 2: How is Australia now perceived, particularly in the United States, but in your opinion, throughout the world, following, you know, as I said, recognising of Palestine and many other actions?
01:10:52
Speaker 6: Including the Bondi massacre. Unfortunately.
01:10:55
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's unfortunate that it's very sad because, you know, people in America love Australia.
01:11:00
Speaker 15: We love Australia and the Australian people.
01:11:02
Speaker 6: I do, too.
01:11:03
Speaker 24: I've been to Australia twice, and I absolutely fell in love with it. So the people in America are disappointed to see what's coming out of Australia right now. I mean, recognizing Palestine, there has never been a Palestinian state. There has never been Palestinian currency. Palestine is the name of a land that was divided by the British. early on in the 20th century. So to see a wonderful country like Australia, to see the leadership recognizing and basically rewarding a group of people who promote terrorism, who committed just three years ago, on October 7, one of the most heinous crimes against humanity, stabbing children, burning children, putting children in ovens, slitting pregnant women's stomach open, raping wives in front of their husbands. I mean, the horrific attack on October 7th that the world didn't want to go into detail or talk about because, well, it's those Jews.
01:12:03
Speaker 15: We're not really sure.
01:12:04
Speaker 24: And of course, the West is afraid to speak boldly about this because you see the Palestinians taking to the streets in herds.
01:12:11
Speaker 15: I mean, look what they did in the bridge in Sydney.
01:12:13
Speaker 24: I mean, who can forget the images coming out of Australia about a year ago? with the demonstration, the pro-Hammaz demonstrations, the pro-terrorist organization demonstration coming out of Australia.
01:12:25
Speaker 15: It is unfortunate.
01:12:27
Speaker 24: I hope— it' s a long way from John Howard, let's put it this way, the government of John Howard.
01:12:33
Speaker 15: You know, I was there. I met with John Howard. I worked with John Howard. What a great time it was in Australia.
01:12:40
Speaker 24: But the country has come so far away from that time. Australians need to develop a backbone and realize that Palestinians in Australia are the minority. Don't let the tail wag the dog. Australia is a great country. It needs to take back its authority. It needs to grab on back to its values and traditions of condemning evil when.
01:13:04
Speaker 15: We see evil.
01:13:05
Speaker 2: Brigitte Gabriel, you are superb and you are 100% correct. Most Australians now want to get rid of this Labor government and get back to the Australia that we used to have and love and that you were... We were lucky to have you here to enjoy part of it as well. Thanks so much, Brigitte Gabriel, and look forward to chatting to you again. And that was Bridget Gabrielle.
01:13:21
Speaker 6: Isn't she brilliant? Don't go away. Lots more here on Outsiders after the break. In a tick.
01:13:28
Speaker 7: Welcome back.
01:13:29
Speaker 10: You're watching Outsiders with the glowing Rita Panahy and the incomparable Rowan Dean and myself, Lucy Zelich, filling in for the brilliant James Jimmy Morrow. Now, I wrote about this issue early in the week for The Daily Telegraph. Even the most ardent of Labor supporters would.
01:13:45
Speaker 7: Struggle to deny.
01:13:47
Speaker 10: that it's been another shocking week for the Albanese government. And it's becoming quite the theme, isn't it, for the Prime Minister, who, over four years in the top job, promised so much on the campaign trails, but has time and time again failed to deliver on what matters most to everyday Australians. Things like cost of living, being able to afford your own home, running a small and prosperous business, and the basics. Like being able to contribute that little bit extra to your monthly savings.
01:14:17
Speaker 7: To buy your kids a new pair of shoes and.
01:14:19
Speaker 10: Go on that summer holiday with your family without it leaving you stretched. And above all, that all-important feeling of safety in your own country and as though your neighbours share the same love for this great land and values that you do. But to many right now, most of these things feel unachievable, unattainable and under threat. And while it would be disingenuous to direct all of the blame at the current mob in power, I don't want you to forget what was promised by Mr Albanese at Labor's 2022 campaign launch in Perth.
01:14:54
Speaker 12: You can choose a government that recognises that national security is above politics and invests in cyber security, energy security and real defence capabilities. You can choose to restore integrity to politics, to end the waste and to.
01:15:15
Speaker 6: End the rorts.
01:15:17
Speaker 12: And above all, you can choose a government that honours your values and rewards your hard work. A government that holds no one back and leaves no one behind.
01:15:30
Speaker 7: How about that? And then there was this.
01:15:34
Speaker 12: Labor has real lasting plans for cheaper electricity, cheaper childcare, cheaper mortgages, cheaper medicines and Medicare, and.
01:15:45
Speaker 6: For better pay.
01:15:46
Speaker 12: We can do better than three more years of the government that's brought us skyrocketing costs of living and falling real wages. We have the worst inflation rate in two decades. Families are struggling, worried about the future, yet Scott Morrison just keeps on scrambling from one photo op to another, boasting that the Australian.
01:16:10
Speaker 5: People know who he is.
01:16:13
Speaker 6: Well, he's got that right. They don't think, they know.
01:16:19
Speaker 10: Then there were the repeated attempts to appeal to the number one issue plaguing everyday Aussies.
01:16:26
Speaker 12: A plan to address cost of living. Take pressure off cost of living. Pressure off the cost of living.
01:16:32
Speaker 6: The cost of living.
01:16:33
Speaker 12: Cost of living. Cost of living relief. Downward pressure on cost of living.
01:16:40
Speaker 10: And all of this was followed up by the countless promises to hand out tens of billions of our hard-earned tax dollars to sweeten the deal.
01:16:49
Speaker 7: A $ 7.
01:16:49
Speaker 12: 2 billion announcement today. $ 5 million.
01:16:51
Speaker 15: $ 10 million.
01:16:51
Speaker 6: $ 200 million. $ 3 billion.
01:16:52
Speaker 16: $ 350 million.
01:16:52
Speaker 6: $ 2 billion.
01:16:53
Speaker 24: $ 37 million.
01:16:54
Speaker 17: $ 842 million.
01:16:54
Speaker 7: $ 2.
01:16:54
Speaker 6: 4 billion. $ 8.
01:16:54
Speaker 25: 5 billion.
01:16:55
Speaker 6: $ 4.
01:16:55
Speaker 15: 8 billion.
01:16:55
Speaker 13: $ 1 billion.
01:16:56
Speaker 17: $ 3.
01:16:56
Speaker 16: 4 billion.
01:16:56
Speaker 7: $ 2.
01:16:56
Speaker 6: 8 billion. $ 200 million. Wow.
01:17:17
Speaker 10: Now, we all know what happened after that. The Labor government secured an historic 94-seat majority victory and the voters were seduced by the promise of Anthony Albanese, a self-declared democratic socialist, and his version of utopia.
01:17:32
Speaker 7: Of free this and free that.
01:17:34
Speaker 6: You get a car!
01:17:35
Speaker 14: You get a car!
01:17:36
Speaker 17: You get a car!
01:17:36
Speaker 14: You get a car!
01:17:37
Speaker 5: You get a car!
01:17:39
Speaker 14: You get a car!
01:17:41
Speaker 6: You get a car!
01:17:41
Speaker 14: You get a car!
01:17:42
Speaker 15: Everybody gets a car!
01:17:47
Speaker 7: Or is it you get an EV car?
01:17:49
Speaker 10: Now, Albo's promise to wipe 20% off everyone's student debt, well, it cost the taxpayer $ 16 billion. His pledge for cheaper childcare, wiping the means test and extending the subsidy to families earning up to $ 530, 000, well, some centres now charge up.
01:18:01
Speaker 7: To $ 240 a day.
01:18:07
Speaker 10: And it's costing the taxpayer another $ 16 billion annually, and it's tipped to rise. What about the ballooning NDIS? Well, we're slapped with a $ 1 billion-a-week bill. Climate change and net zero efforts add another $ 4 billion from just last year alone. The voice to parliament that no-one asked for, another over $ 400 million.
01:18:27
Speaker 7: The list goes on and on.
01:18:28
Speaker 10: And this week, we learned that the Albanese government has now begged state and territory premiers for a further $ 160 million to send Catherine Bennell Pegg to the moon.
01:18:37
Speaker 5: Wait, what?
01:18:39
Speaker 7: Talk about a bunch of space cadets.
01:18:42
Speaker 10: But the biggest challenge in all of this isn't just acknowledging the failures. It's providing the solution to a problem where the horse is well and truly bolted economically. Because nobody living off the public purse, the government teat, is going to vote for the politicians saying that they're going to take the benefits away. Just look at what happened to Peter Dutton ahead of last year's election.
01:19:03
Speaker 25: Well, week two of the federal election campaign has kicked off with a major backflip from Peter Dutton on working from home arrangements. If elected, he will no longer force public servants back into the office five days a week, whether they're based in Canberra or not.
01:19:18
Speaker 7: He's also ruled.
01:19:19
Speaker 25: Out pursuing 41,000 job cuts through forced redundancies, instead seeking to shrink the public service through natural attrition.
01:19:28
Speaker 10: And how about this, when former Treasurer Joe Hockey in 2014 had this to say on the floor of Parliament.
01:19:34
Speaker 15: The age of entitlement is over.
01:19:36
Speaker 21: It has to be replaced, not with an age of austerity, but with an age of opportunity. This is not the time to talk our country down, but it is time to face the facts.
01:19:48
Speaker 6: Face the facts.
01:19:50
Speaker 21: We understand that there are people in the community who are doing it tough because the economy is growing at less... than normal speed. Unemployment is too high, with over 700,000 Australians looking for a job. Without change, the budget would never get to surplus and the debt would never be repaid. So the time to fix the budget is now. The time to strengthen the economy is now. The time for everyone to contribute is now.
01:20:23
Speaker 10: A little over a year after that, we all know what happened. Malcolm Turnbull came after the Tony Abbott government and they were dispatched. But if Australians and particularly the ones who voted for this Albanese government aren't prepared to accept the cold hard facts and the quiet part out loud, that it's not just the egregious government spending and horrible policies, but also the demand for entitlements from the people that are pushing us closer to Britain's circumstances, where the welfare bill exceeds the income tax revenue, well then they need to be asked if they are prepared to accept more of this.
01:20:59
Speaker 6: Good evening.
01:21:00
Speaker 1: We were warned it was coming, but tonight it's confirmed. Interest rates have hit a 15-year high, with the Reserve Bank delivering another blow to millions of mortgage holders. Today's 25 basis point increase is the fourth hike this year. taking the cash rate to 4.6%.
01:21:17
Speaker 10: RBA boss Michelle Bullock has hinted it's unlikely to be the last rise, and she doesn't agree with the Treasurer, who's largely blaming the war in the Middle East. Yes, we all remember that press conference with Dr Spin Jim Chalmers when he referenced the Iran war no less than 10 times. in his 20-minute press conference. And let's add to all of this an economy that's, quote, going nowhere, as described by the AFR's economic editor.
01:21:43
Speaker 6: John Kehoe.
01:21:43
Speaker 10: Productivity, quote, doing nothing, to use the words of RBA Governor Michelle Bullock, worsening budget deficits, which have been forecast for another 40 years, a trillion dollars of debt, living standards declining, businesses folding, construction companies collapsing.
01:21:58
Speaker 7: Escalating energy costs.
01:22:00
Speaker 10: threats to our national security, meagre spending on defence, over three million Australians suffering from food insecurity, the list goes on and on.
01:22:09
Speaker 7: And over four years later, to invoke the words.
01:22:12
Speaker 10: Of Anthony Albanese from that campaign launch in 2022, the Australian people don't think they know now what a so-called better future looks.
01:22:23
Speaker 7: Like under his Labor government.
01:22:25
Speaker 10: Now it's up to those who voted for him to wake up and decide the direction that this country goes in at the ballot box.
01:22:37
Speaker 6: Great stuff. Thanks, Lucy.
01:22:38
Speaker 2: Well, the Albanese government is under pressure to explain why it needs anonymous fake social media accounts.
01:22:45
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable.
01:22:46
Speaker 2: It's to supposedly protect... Australians online. Labor is giving the e-safety commissioner, the e-Karen herself, Julianne Maughan Grant, the power to create fake accounts. But there are fears that this will alter public debate online.
01:23:02
Speaker 6: I'm sure it will.
01:23:03
Speaker 2: For more on this, let's bring in author and award-winning journalist, the great Michael Schellenberger. Michael, so good to have you back on Outside. It's great to see you. What is going on? What do you make of this whole digital duty of care thing?
01:23:15
Speaker 6: Plus these sock puppets, they're called.
01:23:17
Speaker 2: A permission for the government to basically defraud the public.
01:23:22
Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on. You tell me.
01:23:25
Speaker 26: I mean, it's wild. We couldn't believe it when somebody else discovered it first. We were happy to report out on it. But, I mean, this is basically the government proposing to do offensive informational warfare secretly, hiding behind anonymous accounts that are sometimes called sock puppets, which is a derisive term, This is particularly shocking because just two years ago in the Australian government's censorship bill, they wanted to ban anonymous accounts. Now they're proposing that the government be able to use anonymous accounts to essentially promote the government's agenda secretly. This is absolutely bizarre. We did see something like this in the United States way back in 2017 when Democrats used fake sock puppet accounts to to create the perception that a Republican Senate candidate was being supported by Russia. It was actively used to spread disinformation. This has been part of military operations, information warfare for a long time, but to see the Australian government openly demanding this power, I never thought I would see something like that.
01:24:30
Speaker 6: Rita?
01:24:31
Speaker 5: Australia's been at the forefront of some very poor policies when it comes to social media, when it comes to.
01:24:39
Speaker 4: the online world.
01:24:41
Speaker 5: And some of those policies could have impact elsewhere in the world.
01:24:45
Speaker 4: Explain to the audience.
01:24:47
Speaker 5: How Australia is spearheading efforts to really create a climate of censorship on social media.
01:24:57
Speaker 26: Yeah, Rita, I think you're exactly right. Australia is kind of a training ground for the rest of the Western world, including the United States. Big part of the censorship that we saw from 2016 until really Elon Musk bought Twitter and then Mark Zuckerberg ended a lot of censorship in January 2025 was really done by people in the intelligence community or sort of adjacent to the intelligence community. Of course, we have this longstanding Five Eyes relationship. The current e-safety commissioner in Australia said, Out of the blue said she'd been recruited by the CIA, which was a very bizarre thing to say.
01:25:34
Speaker 6: She said she didn't work for the CIA.
01:25:37
Speaker 26: But that struck us all as very odd. There's other people that we've identified who were in the CIA before going into the censorship activities. So this is real deep state international globalist. frankly, conspiracy, because I think it's illegal and secretive. It's worth calling it that. But yeah, it looks like Australia is sort of the testing ground for it, really a trial balloon to see how this stuff would fly in places like the United States, Canada or Europe.
01:26:02
Speaker 2: Michael, I don't know if you caught our Prime Minister at the United Nations the other day, where he got very excited on one meeting he went to, and he started talking about our digital duty of care legislation, which I know you've looked closely at, which gives, by the way, a minister, a government minister, the power to just decide what is harmful and what is not harmful to all Australians and have it banned or not banned or whatever on.
01:26:27
Speaker 6: On social media.
01:26:28
Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister spilled the beans when he said that this was, we're living in an era of misinformation and disinformation and that this legislation was kind of a logical step to combating that. He then realised that he put his foot in it and the next day he said, oh, no, no, no, no, I never linked the new bill with misinformation and disinformation. What did you make of that exchange, Michael?
01:26:50
Speaker 8: Well, sure.
01:26:50
Speaker 26: I mean, obviously, the mask slipped a little bit when he spoke to the United Nations, but then the next day he lied about it. I mean, this is what they're always doing. The people that are censoring are spreading disinformation themselves. They want to be able to censor so they can get away with lying about fundamental issues. I think the other thing that is maybe obvious to Australians, but was something that was an important discovery for us, is that this is clearly motivated by concern over one nation and growing concerns Concern among Australians justified, in my opinion, over mass migration. It's the same reason the Germans want to censor. It's the same reason the French want to censor. It's the same reason the British want to censor. It's a big part of why Trump was elected. So you can see that these governments are quite, you know, they're all very unpopular. The Albanese government, but also the Macron government, the Burnham government, Chancellor Merz. These are unpopular politicians that don't like it that people can criticize them and expose the things they're lying about. on social media platforms. They're particularly concerned about Elon Musk's ex because he allows there to be content that shows people the truth of what's happening. So, yeah, I mean, look, it's a global effort, and Albanese, I think, sort of revealed what he's really after.
01:28:00
Speaker 6: Quickly, Lucy.
01:28:01
Speaker 10: Just a quick question for you, Michael, before we go. You talked about the masks slipping there. If we were to kind of pour through the insidious reasons behind these attempts to censor everyone online, is it designed to shape public policy and the perception of their governments.
01:28:18
Speaker 6: Do you feel? Yeah, absolutely.
01:28:21
Speaker 26: And that's what these proactive, anonymous sock puppet accounts are about. I mean, to get away with, to push something like this that's so undemocratic and such a violation of a fundamental human right, there's a lot of motivations for it. I mentioned before the migration. These guys are just unpopular. I think part of the reason they want to do the sock puppets is so that they can make it look like in the comments section underneath the politicians that they have more support than they have. So I think some of it's just kind of silly, petty ego stuff, but clearly they're clinging to power and they feel desperate. Otherwise, I don't think they would have pushed for something quite as totalitarian as this legislation.
01:28:59
Speaker 2: Well, Michael, the latest gossip or rumours are that the eSafety Karen, our eSafety commissioner, might be packing it in next year because maybe even she realises that the support ain't.
01:29:10
Speaker 6: There for her agenda.
01:29:11
Speaker 2: But we'll keep you informed on that one, Michael, and hope to speak to you again soon and keep up the great work you do there.
01:29:16
Speaker 6: Michael Schellenberger, absolutely brilliant. After the break, Wally of the Week. Yes!
01:29:21
Speaker 2: On Outsiders in a tick. Yes, you're watching Outsiders and Wally of the Week. Well, you've got to feel sorry for poor old Sarah Hansen-Young. I mean, reality has a tendency of kind of whacking her in the face. And like that time, for example, when she discovered that Sea Patrol wasn't in fact a documentary but was a piece of fiction.
01:29:47
Speaker 6: It was a fictitious TV show. Wow, poor old Sarah. Wow, that came as a shock.
01:29:50
Speaker 2: As it did this week when she discovered that politics can be brutal.
01:29:55
Speaker 6: Have a listen.
01:29:57
Speaker 7: Hi everyone.
01:29:57
Speaker 10: Well, it's been a pretty full on 48 hours in my world. I've just been on a beautiful long bushwalk with Ben.
01:30:06
Speaker 7: God, politics can be brutal.
01:30:11
Speaker 6: You mean you didn't win. That's what she means. Only two people, I think, voted for Sarah to be the leader.
01:30:16
Speaker 5: She's the longest-serving senator.
01:30:19
Speaker 6: She should have got it by default. What's going on?
01:30:21
Speaker 5: She's a woman.
01:30:22
Speaker 4: Do they have a woman's problem, the Greens?
01:30:24
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. They rejected Marie. They rejected the person of colour.
01:30:28
Speaker 5: They rejected Sarah. They went for the white, heterosexual, heteronormative man.
01:30:33
Speaker 10: The mail on this was that apparently she's not radical enough. that she is considered by the factions to be effectively a bedwetter for the Greens.
01:30:45
Speaker 8: Wow.
01:30:45
Speaker 7: Imagine that.
01:30:46
Speaker 6: Maybe she should join the Teals. Sarah, there you go. Go off and join the Teals.
01:30:49
Speaker 4: Really, the Greens and the Teals should join forces.
01:30:52
Speaker 1: They should work.
01:30:52
Speaker 5: They're the same pretty much party. And, you know, same colour group, so they won't even have to change their marketing too much.
01:31:01
Speaker 4: Now, I've got something superb from.
01:31:05
Speaker 5: former ABC maestro, Barry Cassidy, who's just got his finger on the pulse of the Australian population.
01:31:12
Speaker 4: He understands us, yes.
01:31:16
Speaker 8: On immigration, 52% want immigration reduced, and yet the coalition numbers are down to 22. It's not a top of mind issue, obviously, unless they're asked about it in many cases. But But just the same, more people say that immigration is a positive than a negative.
01:31:37
Speaker 5: Great, great. So I don't know, there's a lot of polling around immigration. 52% would be at the lower end of those who want to see migration, particularly when you use terms like mass migration reduced. But also this notion that it's not a significant issue. You've got to sort of probe the Australian public for them to actually care about this. And Again, completely oblivious to the fact that the Coalition's numbers aren't going up as they say we're going to clamp down on immigration because the people don't trust them anymore.
01:32:10
Speaker 4: They don't believe them.
01:32:11
Speaker 5: They've had plenty of opportunity to do that when they were in power and they didn't until One Nation came around and started recording 30% primary vote. So just Barry being wrong on so many levels at the same time, it's almost... He's got a bit of a bandana man sort of thing about him, where you can just listen to him, take.
01:32:30
Speaker 6: The opposite point of view... And you're going to be looking in the right direction.
01:32:33
Speaker 5: Probably going to be, yeah.
01:32:34
Speaker 17: 100%.
01:32:34
Speaker 6: Lucy?
01:32:35
Speaker 10: Fascinating to see which polls he's looking at, too, by the way, when everyone is reporting that, you know, immigration is one of their top two issues.
01:32:43
Speaker 7: Elsewhere, how about this?
01:32:44
Speaker 10: Former Labor Prime Minister Julia Gillard, you know, that woman responsible for giving away women's rights.
01:32:49
Speaker 7: When she changed the Sex Discrimination Act... in 2013.
01:32:52
Speaker 10: Well, she's given a glowing report of the young Queensland minister, Annika Wells, who, of course, you would have seen this week, was featured in Time's 100 Next 2026 list, calling her, and I quote, one of the most significant voices in a growing global movement. End quote. Of course, doing all of those things while she's on our dime in Paris, having expensive dinners to the tune of thousands of dollars, then drink spills, leaving com cars waiting. I mean, how could she fit all of that in with all of this influential behaviour?
01:33:27
Speaker 2: So, she's in Time's new top 100 or something or other... I wonder if she's got some ooshies to show where she sits on the hundred different people.
01:33:35
Speaker 24: Abby, that is.
01:33:36
Speaker 2: And she can explain to the people at Time magazine, look, I'm this ooshie and here's my Julia Gillard ooshie.
01:33:41
Speaker 6: And together... Actually, which one's getting the Wally Award? Is it Annika or Julia? Or do they share it?
01:33:46
Speaker 5: No, it's got to be Julia, because Julia's the one who's come in and said she's this significant... And Time magazine also deserves a Wally right now.
01:33:54
Speaker 13: A triple Wally.
01:33:54
Speaker 7: Triple Wally.
01:33:54
Speaker 6: Could be a triple.
01:33:55
Speaker 4: I mean, how.
01:33:57
Speaker 5: Unimpressive this woman is, is in itself impressive because she is just so.
01:34:04
Speaker 4: Uniquely bad at her role.
01:34:06
Speaker 5: When she tried to explain why we need these new laws and the example she came up with was someone in her electorate refusing to believe her even as she was telling her face-to-face some policy position and that was her justification for this radical policy. Again, giving the game away, saying the quiet.
01:34:25
Speaker 4: Bit out loud.
01:34:27
Speaker 5: She's not very good. She's not very good even at lying. So, I mean, really, this is a triple whammy.
01:34:32
Speaker 4: It's going to be a triple wally.
01:34:34
Speaker 10: The more criminal thing for me is that she's actually been able to keep her job. When you consider ministers in the past, Susan Lee, when she was embroiled in that taxi issue, all she did was get a cab charge to go and buy an apartment. And, I mean, look, you could all argue that the politicians have their snouts in the trough over this issue, but that she was able to survive this scandal, to me, that's remarkable.
01:34:54
Speaker 17: Multiple.
01:34:54
Speaker 1: Multiple.
01:34:55
Speaker 6: Well, there's a memo. You obviously didn't get the memo, Lucy, which says... If it is of the left, it's fine.
01:35:00
Speaker 7: It's totally fine.
01:35:01
Speaker 2: And if it's not of the left, then it's war and outrage, shock, horror, must resign immediately. Everyone in Parliament understands that basic fundamental rule. We've got to mention the poor old northern beaches of Sydney. I mean, what did they do to deserve this? They've got Jacinda Ardern has moved into the area, bought a pad and is wandering around, according to this story.
01:35:21
Speaker 20: Multi-million dollar pad.
01:35:21
Speaker 6: Of course, multi-million dollar pad.
01:35:23
Speaker 5: This is a woman who is proudly anti-capitalist, let's not forget. Yes, that's right. Anti-capitalist, but somehow as a public servant seemed to have accumulated enormous wealth, probably been on the speaking tour. And now she's in our suburbs.
01:35:40
Speaker 6: She's in our suburbs. She was photographed carrying plastic bags.
01:35:43
Speaker 17: What?
01:35:43
Speaker 11: Shock!
01:35:43
Speaker 2: So she's now officially the Northern Beaches bag lady. And she will be your sole source of carrying plastic bags from now on. In New Zealand, she was their sole source of truth, you will remember. She alone could be trusted with her little website to tell you what was going on on COVID. Now she lives in Sydney. Can't think why she doesn't live in New Zealand.
01:36:03
Speaker 6: I have no idea.
01:36:05
Speaker 2: But anyway, she's your sole source of plastic bags now. Great to have Jacinda with us. Yeah, she's... I'm.
01:36:12
Speaker 6: Sorry, I think... Do we vote? Yes, we've got to vote now.
01:36:14
Speaker 7: We've got to vote.
01:36:15
Speaker 2: Who do we vote for? I reckon it's between Jacinda... Oh, it could be the triple, the triple whammy.
01:36:19
Speaker 5: No, I like the triple.
01:36:20
Speaker 6: The triple whammy.
01:36:21
Speaker 7: I like the triple, I think so.
01:36:22
Speaker 6: The triple. Julia Gillard, first time, I think, on Wally of the Week.
01:36:26
Speaker 7: Wow. Is that right?
01:36:27
Speaker 6: How awesome is Wally of the Week? Yeah, exactly.
01:36:28
Speaker 2: Because she never says anything, but I think she won't be saying much more after that pathetic announcement around Annika Wells. Annika definitely shares the triple and Time magazine.
01:36:39
Speaker 7: Time magazine.
01:36:39
Speaker 6: It's Time.
01:36:40
Speaker 7: Give it to them.
01:36:42
Speaker 6: And that's Time. We're going to take a short break. We'll come back with celebrities. You're back in a tick.
01:36:54
Speaker 2: Yes, the world of celebrity, the Paris Fashion Week or whatever it is every year just gets worse and worse, Rita.
01:37:01
Speaker 4: Oh, can we have a look, please?
01:37:17
Speaker 2: That was quite good compared to most of them.
01:37:19
Speaker 5: Well, I was looking forward to the Tom Ford show because, you know, classic, you're going to get some quality.
01:37:26
Speaker 4: And he had men on the catwalk in G-strings.
01:37:30
Speaker 6: Ew!
01:37:31
Speaker 5: And I don't know if that's a political statement or he's just run out of ideas, but it was, yeah, it was confounding.
01:37:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting.
01:37:39
Speaker 6: There was also some horrible thing where a black model had a dead kind of, A couple of whites, Trump and Jeff Bezos or something or other, it was pathetic stuff.
01:37:48
Speaker 4: Oh, how brave and.
01:37:49
Speaker 6: I know, yeah, so.
01:37:50
Speaker 7: I think they have run out of ideas.
01:37:51
Speaker 6: They have run out of ideas, yeah.
01:37:53
Speaker 5: Well, even the crowd, like, the crowd is a freak show. It's not just what's on the catwalk.
01:37:58
Speaker 6: The crowd is... They look demonic. It's all the furries and all the demonic types.
01:38:02
Speaker 7: It's horrible.
01:38:02
Speaker 5: And they've now resorted to having little productions in the crowd, people planted in the crowd to react in a certain way.
01:38:12
Speaker 7: It's also.
01:38:14
Speaker 5: Lame. Really, that's what it is. Once it becomes lame, it crosses a line where.
01:38:18
Speaker 6: It jumps the shark. Yeah, it jumps the shark.
01:38:20
Speaker 5: What about the tailoring again?
01:38:22
Speaker 7: You mentioned Tom Ford and his quality.
01:38:23
Speaker 10: I recall when he used to be the head of design at Gucci many years ago and it was beautiful.
01:38:27
Speaker 7: He pioneered so many great trends. I want to see a bloke in a G-string. No, thank you.
01:38:32
Speaker 4: Not on a catwalk, anyway.
01:38:33
Speaker 5: No.
01:38:35
Speaker 4: We don't want to see that anywhere.
01:38:36
Speaker 21: OK.
01:38:36
Speaker 4: Moving right along.
01:38:38
Speaker 5: I've got a nomination.
01:38:40
Speaker 6: Yes, Rita. Guardian.
01:38:42
Speaker 4: The Guardian Australia.
01:38:44
Speaker 5: I saw this circulating internationally recently. And I thought this has got to be a joke. Someone has mocked up this article with this headline.
01:38:55
Speaker 4: It can't be real.
01:38:56
Speaker 5: It's real.
01:38:57
Speaker 4: Let's have a look at it.
01:38:58
Speaker 5: It's about Margot Robbie, Australian actress Margot Robbie, and it says, Margot Robbie changing her name to her husband's hurts my beautiful lesbian brain. Here's why. And what's going around the world globally is also the author. Because, yep, straight from central casting, the entire catastrophe and this notion that a woman who wants to change her name after marriage to share the same name as her husband and.
01:39:30
Speaker 4: Probably her children. And that's a big part of it.
01:39:33
Speaker 5: That's why a lot of women want to change their name because they want to have the same name as their children.
01:39:38
Speaker 4: And as if that's some sort.
01:39:39
Speaker 5: Of a betrayal of the sisterhood, you're substituting the man you chose to marry, his name, for your father's name. So it's going to be a man's name either way, so he might as well be the one who picks it.
01:39:52
Speaker 7: But the comments actually disturbed me on the article too. So many people being.
01:39:55
Speaker 10: Like, yes, this is great and changing your last name is so outdated and, you know, it's all about the patriarchy and somehow someone managed to weave in capitalism and I just thought.
01:40:06
Speaker 7: You're all just reading from the same playbook, aren't you? Like, where's the next outrage coming from?
01:40:10
Speaker 6: Where does the lesbian brain bit come into it?
01:40:12
Speaker 7: What does being lesbian... I don't know.
01:40:15
Speaker 6: I don't get that bit.
01:40:16
Speaker 4: I don't think she speaks for the lesbian community.
01:40:18
Speaker 5: I don't know.
01:40:19
Speaker 4: Maybe we need to get somebody on just to.
01:40:21
Speaker 5: Have a debate.
01:40:22
Speaker 7: Or for the rational-minded community.
01:40:24
Speaker 4: Whilst I'm away, you should invite that author on.
01:40:27
Speaker 6: On. instead of you. Fantastic. Oh, I'm not suggesting.
01:40:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not suggesting co-hosting the whole two hours, but let's have her on to talk about that because I think it would be a fascinating debate.
01:40:37
Speaker 6: It would be. Yeah, absolutely. Exploring the lesbian brain. Excellent. Celebrities warning about climate change.
01:40:44
Speaker 2: So I tell you, you know, I don't know if there's an overlap on Venn diagrams between the lesbian brain and the climate change brain, but let's have a listen to these celebs warning about climate change.
01:40:54
Speaker 6: Climate change is real. It is happening right now. In sub-Saharan Africa, 75% of children do not have access to preschool.
01:41:04
Speaker 26: We need more leaders and communities to take bold actions.
01:41:08
Speaker 7: They need our support.
01:41:11
Speaker 20: As part of the Perpetual Planet initiative, Rolex stands alongside Roger Federer and Leonardo DiCaprio in their commitment to early childhood education and the preservation of ecosystems.
01:41:25
Speaker 5: Now, Rolex need to apologise to Roger Federer because his cause is actually a legitimate cause.
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Speaker 4: Unlike Leonardo DiCaprio, one.
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Speaker 5: Of the world's biggest hypocrites with his lifestyle, yachts, private planes, multiple properties around the world preaching about climate change.
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Speaker 4: And, Rolex, what are you thinking?
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Speaker 5: You should have seen the comments under that video, all of them mocking Rolex.
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Speaker 4: Massive own goal.
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Speaker 2: That's it for this week. We'll see you next Sunday. Now it's Ross Greenwood with Business Weekend.
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Speaker 6: See you.