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Straw media. Shirley, have you
ever listened to a podcast? No?
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So, I don't know what we're
really doing. You who are we?
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We're a couple of true crime aficionados, kind of like Charles Oliver and Mabel
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the three main characters and the Hulu
original show Only Murders in the Building now
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in season two, and we're here
making a podcast about a show where the
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characters make their own podcast about a
murder. I'm your host, Kevin Lawn
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and I'm your host, Elizabeth Keener. Why are we here to solve a
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murder and to try to figure out
who the killer is before all is revealed
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in the season finale, which is
so soon, so soon. We may
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not be in the arconia ourselves,
but we'll get some inside information from members
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of the cast and crew and clues
to help us piece it all together.
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Today, we'll be talking to the
writer of episode nine, Kirker Butler,
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and the one and only Shirley mc
lane. Plus we'll hear more from showrunner
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and co creator John Hoffman, actress
Davine Joy Randolph, and actor Michael Cyril
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Crep. We'll hear about the grootiness
Michael Rappaport brought to Detective Crips, Shirley
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mcclaine's friendship with Steve Martin and how
much she knew about her Rose Cooper original.
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The music from today's show is all
from the official Only Murders Soundtrack Season
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two, which was just released,
So if you like the music from the
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show, check that out. And
as of now, we've seen the first
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nine episodes, so listeners beware,
we're going to give a quick recap.
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If you haven't watched, hit the
pause button, stream episode nine now and
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come right back so we don't spoil
anything for you. Episode nine, We're
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so close. This episode opens with
a voiceover from Detective Crips. Last year,
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d had a budget of five and
a half billion dollars. He's a
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bit crooked, he's definitely stolen evidence, and he's got a crush on someone.
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The Trio thinks there must be a
mastermind behind Crufts's involvement in Bunny's murder,
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and Oliver tries to pawn off Missus
Gambolini onto Charles, and while they're
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fighting, they find the original Rose
Cooper painting in a secret compartment under the
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cage. Alice springs Mabel a puzzle
she made her as a gift, and
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Charles tries to call Leonora Folger and
discovers that the woman they met at Bunny's
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funeral was not her. He finds
an address on the back of the watch
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he inherited from his dad, and
it's Rose Cooper's, who had been masquerading
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as Big Bunny. Found it.
I found you, Rose Cooper. Well,
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tell me something I don't know.
Mabel finds Kruft's employee file at Coney
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Island and goes to the excessive force
Jim to confront him, even though Oliver
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told Charles, Mabel and Will that
he's Will's biological father. So does that
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mean you're Greek? Greek Ish?
That's great Kish, Well, you know
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how I thought I was Irish.
We learned that he's been lying when he
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attacks Teddy Dimas in the elevator.
Rose Cooper comes over to talk to Charles.
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She reveals the painting Underneath the painting, it's one of Charles and his
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father looking at the arconia. It
turns out his father wasn't such a bad
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guy after all, and she also
tells him that there was a woman with
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brown hair and glasses sniffing around about
the painting Kreps let's slip that his girlfriend
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works for a real true crime podcast, and Mabel sees the same chicken logo
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from the backpack on his towel.
She remembers where it's from. It's the
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Chicken restaurant from All Is Not Okay, the podcast that brought the trio together
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in the first place. Kreps went
down to Oklahoma to help solve the case
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and might have had a romance with
Sinda, and Poppy admits to Mabel that
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she's actually Becky Butler, the woman
who disappeared in the All Is Not Okay
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podcast, Because I'm Becky Butler.
But every once in a while, you
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meet someone and everything changes and the
whole goddamn universe turns upside out, and
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that's when ship gets really crazy.
Well shit, okay, kay, this
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has been a journey. Huh.
My suspect list has changed an awful lot
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over the past nine episodes, dramatically, dramatically. I think mine has too.
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I don't know, did I even
say I don't know if I use
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the same person twice, I'm Howard, I used Howard always Howard, and
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I used a lot of people from
last season, you know, I just
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kind of keep adding, just keep
adding, you never know, and then
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thirty sas and why not, We'll
just keep going, Oh god, but
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this is exciting. And you guys, you've probably noticed that every episode opens
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with narration from a different character.
Here's co creator and showrunner John Hoffman on
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that decision. You know, when
we started working on the show last season,
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we began to discover this approach that
we might take to come in from
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different perspectives and learn about people's perspectives
on the same case. So that became
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very exciting. But more than that, it was a realization, Oh,
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we're actually building this tapestry of New
York characters, you know, that we're
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looking at not just their perspective,
we're getting them a little bit more of
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their experience. Hopefully. Sometimes we're
doing it to gain a new perspective of
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our trio. You know, in
episode six of last year, we had
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Detective Williams narrating and she discovered her
wife was listening to the podcast by this
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trio she encounter earlier on in the
season. So we're looking at the trio
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from a completely different perspective that they
have no idea about. But we're gaining
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new insight on how the world is
seeing that, and in this episode we're
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hearing from detective Creps. You know, it was really funny when we first
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started writing that character, we didn't
know it was gonna be a Michael Rappaport.
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This is Kirker Butler, who wrote
episode nine this season. We also
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had him on last season for episode
two, who is Tim Kono, And
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so we just kind of started with
the dialogue. He was this tough,
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kind of New York asshole cop.
My salary was eighty five eight hundred nineteen
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before Texas alimony and the mortgage on
this fucking dump where I also live.
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So then once we went out to
Michael Rapport and he said yes that,
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I was like, oh, we
immediately know who this guy is. And
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he was so fun to write for. I was on set for a few
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days on episode nine and this airs
after the episode, right, yeah,
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Okay, So I was in the
boxing gym and I watched he and Selena
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do that that whole scene where they're
kind of interrogating each other, and it
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was intense. I mean, he
was really really great, and I think
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it's so interesting that what's coming up
for him in ten as well. I
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think it's pretty great, and she
or he, if that's your thing,
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they smile at you, and your
whole goddamn universe turns upside out and that's
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when ship gets really crazy. I
mean, we know that Detective Creps is
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crooked. We know he thinks he's
really smart, but maybe isn't quite as
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smart as he thinks. But what's
coming up for him in episode ten?
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Do you think? I'm not sure. I'm very curious. I am wondering
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if he did this on his own
or because they did say he's not smart
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enough to do it by himself.
Yeah, but he had the glitter on
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him, so he's involved, right, Yes, he is involved big time.
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Oh and Michael Rapaport brings so much
life to Creps. He just brought
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that New York authenticity, like he's
just you know, uh when Selena says
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in the first episode, you know, do you say fuck because it makes
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you you think, it makes you
sound over. It's he's so good swearing,
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you know, I mean, did
you go back to the Spike Lee
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movies and everything. He's so he's
so good around a cuss word and it
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really just works. Um. He
just brought a really natural edge to it,
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and um, you know, the
guy's funny too, so he's able
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to make this this asshole uh oddly
I think charming in a way enjoyable.
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Yeah, totally. And you know
what, and he does it doesn't look
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like he's just trying to shove in, you know, fuck using this.
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He really it really does look like
that just how he speaks, and he's
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charming in a way. He's fun
to watch. He really is great.
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Yeah he really that that that sparring
scene, I just I couldn't. I
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was I started, I was any
other room watching on the monitor, and
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it was so good. I went
into the room where it was being shot
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and just stood nearby because I wanted
to just see him act like in person.
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He was. It was great and
Selena was so good at that dude.
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Oh yeah, we had a We
had a we had talked about I
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don't think it was ever written.
Maybe it was written, um, but
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we had talked about a scene of
her actually hitting him like hard a couple
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times, and um, once we
did, it just felt unrealistic that,
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you know, the small but strong
woman would um, you know, would
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beat up Michael Rappaport, this angry, grizzled cop so right, Mabel beating
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on Craps wasn't the only idea for
the boxing gym that started and ended in
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the writer's room. At one point
we had a thing where we were going
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to have Stephen Marty there too,
um, and Marty was going to be
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like a Burgess Meredith and Rocky type
thing. He was just gonna be going
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for the kill, you know.
But it water. Yeah, it just
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felt even sillier, so we had
to We wanted to keep it real.
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Maybel showing up to the gym on
her own to confront Creps took some serious
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hood spa. I think that at
that point she's just taking We talked a
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lot about you know, how much
are we going to put on this this
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poor woman? And you know with
her in season one, her her good
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friend had had been murdered, and
and then in this season, you know,
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she's in this toxic relationship with this
woman who co opting her trauma for
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her own art, and and we're
like how much can we can we do
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this? And and it not like
break this this this character, what the
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fuck are you here? I just
wanted to ask some questions, Well,
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don't you know how this works?
Because I'm the cow stabbed after you attack
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me. But we felt like at
this point she was so determined to get
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to the bottom of it and that
she didn't care, she didn't care who
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she had to confront. And as
you see in that scene, she goes
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in there and she is fearless.
She's not afraid to call him out to
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say in a you know, a
full voice, does your arm hurt where
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I stabbed you? And you know, there's a bunch of other cops there,
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and she's at that point is just
not afraid to get to it because
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she's got you know, she's got
a murder to solve, she's got a
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clearer own name here. Showrunner and
co creator John Hoffman, we talked a
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lot about it, Selena and I
and I when I shared with her,
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you know, episode seven and all
of the stuff that was revealed about her
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father and the trauma and the source
of the missing elements in these traumatic events
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in her mind and all of that, she was like, oh my god,
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I'm like, I know, don't
worrybout her. Once you clear this,
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once you get that out of the
way, you're going to top its
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hell your bass and clear road ahead. And that is exactly what it is.
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She feels empowerment after having faced the
really hard stuff that was the emotional
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barrier, Phoenix rising, that's it. Well, Mabel is interrogating Creps at
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the gym. Oliver and Charles are
on their own journeys back at the Arconia.
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For Oliver, it's the DNA results. He starts by telling Charles and
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Mabel and even Will that the results
confirmed him as the biological father. But
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we kind of already knew that wasn't
going to be the truth, right,
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k Yeah, And it leads to
a confrontation in the elevator, a big
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one. Are you okay? Okay, that's how fun? Okay? Why
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are you doing this? Don't you
don't know? But after they du get
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out, they're able to talk openly
in a way they haven't been able to
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in a long while. You know, it's been tense with them for a
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long time, but they're old friends, and we as writers, and especially
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I fell in love with Nathan Lane
in season one. I thought, I
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mean, I've always known he was
great, but I've never seen him do
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anything like this, and he just
blew us all away, and so we
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were like, we don't care how
we have to get him back, like
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it would make sense that he was
going to jail or waiting trial or whatever.
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But we had to get him back
in the building. And then we
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had to have another scene with he
and Marty because they were just so good
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together, and we had this idea
of of this DNA test where you know,
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he would be that will would it
would come back, and it was.
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He was primarily Greek and um.
When we pitched that in the room,
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I remember everyone was like, Oh, yeah, that's so great.
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Then, you know, how else
can we fuck with four Oliver? And
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it just felt right because it was
a way to kind of get their past
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in there. There was a huge
emotional story for Oliver, and it allowed
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us to really get Nathan in there
and do some great scenes. But he's
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just he's been so good, as
you all well know from watching the show.
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Charles, on the other hand,
is on his own journey within the
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theme of fatherhood. But we talked
a lot about who Charles's father really was.
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Was he a good guy, was
he a bad guy? We went
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around a lot of different ways.
We had a scene for a while where
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he you know, he talked to
his father in the secret passageways, at
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one point, and we're just trying
to figure out how how to work that
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relationship or make that relationship to where
it was isn't tragic because there was so
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much like Mabel's father had died and
Will was not I mean, Oliver was
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not Will's father, and there was
a lot of father and child stuff happening.
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And even though Steve has a strained
relationship or Charles had a strange relation
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with his father, we still wanted
it to have some kind of positive ending
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for him so that all of his
memories about his father weren't weren't terrible.
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So I forgot who it was who
pitched the idea that there would be a
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painting under this painting that showed like
what his father's dream for his kid was
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but unrealized. And it's thanks to
Charles's detective skills that he's able to unmask
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Rose Cooper and get to the secret
painting under the painting. That scene in
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I forget which episode it was,
where Charles's father is being hauled the way
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by the police. We talked about
and I think it was written. I
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don't know if it was shot,
I don't know if it ended up in
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a final script. Or not.
But where he was sitting there, the
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young Charles and there's a woman's hand
on his shoulder and he looks up and
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he sees that it's Rose Cooper.
And we've played that up a little bit
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more, but we didn't want to
give anything away, so we ended up
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cutting that. It was a long
debate about how much do we tell there,
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how much do we tell when she's
getting into the cab or the car
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at the end of episode two.
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about the Leonora folder, but we
did want it to have have end with
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her giving him that that painting.
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want to say, a lot of
fans guess that Rose was Lenora. They
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were guessed it, so yeah,
you know yeah, I mean I think
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of all of our mysteries, that's
probably the easiest. Dare you you have
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to give them something? No?
No, no, you fans you really
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did a lot of work for that. Oh my gosh, they are I
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read the stuff on Reddit. I'm
blown away by the fans of the show.
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Yeah, really invested in the show
and so global. Just from the
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emails that we get from people,
it's I mean, yeah, it's fun.
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For us too. Yeah, there
were things that we would read on
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on Reddit and they're like, oh, well the writers obviously did this,
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and we're like, that is exactly
what we were thinking, because we're that
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smart. Getting back to the painting, Do you think that Money knew that
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that second painting was there? Oh, that's a good question us in the
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writer's room. I don't know it
was. I feel like she wouldn't know
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that, otherwise she would have had
two Rose Coopers and that would have been
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you know, she seems like the
kind of person who would really kind of
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revel in that adding two of those
and finding the secret painting. So I
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don't think she knew it was there. I don't think anyone knew it was
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Rose Cooper, who is played by
the amazing Shirley McClain, someone everyone seems
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to fangirl and fanboy over, including
us, Yes, especially us. Hello,
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Hello Shirley. Yes, how are
you such energy? Hey Brian,
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it's great to meet you, and
I appreciate you taking the time. I'm
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here with the whole podcast team.
Yes, okay, that's right, we
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talked to the amazing Shirley McClain.
You did. Oh yes, I'm saying
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she was so funny and so kind
and generous and smart and wonderful, all
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the things you know she is,
I mean just all of it. I
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mean, yes, dream, yes, And we'll hear more from her and
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from Kirker after a quick break.
Uh. We were just talking to the
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room one day and he said,
do you think maybe we could Would Shirley
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McClean be right for Leonora? And
we're all like, yes, John,
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of course she'd be right for anything, like anything, welcome back. This
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is Kirker Butler, the writer of
episode nine, And so he called her
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and she agreed to do it.
And I'd heard this um from John that
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Steve was very like like I get
to Shan McClain, like he you know,
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he was excited to work with this, this this legend um. You
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know as well he should be.
But that that scene that they had together,
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Yeah, it's really great. Yeah
yeah, and he was, yeah,
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it was a beautiful thing. Wouldn't
be. So the Kocotinas are yours,
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not Leonora Folters. I knew enough
about her to pull off a little
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day trip into the city. Man, I think I'm slipping now. I
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don't know how you actors do it
pretending to be somebody else old it's exhausting.
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You pulled it off like the master
you are. It's exciting for you,
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isn't it figuring out a little mysteries? Not a little? The world
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has been wondering about you four years
in the world. Please Uh, yes,
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I recall that scene. I don't
think they had written what I don't
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I don't know. I just know
what I had to do with with acting.
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That's a mystery. And it's not
this painting. It's the wrong painting.
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That's all I know. This,
of course, is Shirley McClain,
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who plays Rose Cooper and Leonora Folder. Our producer Ryan tried to dive a
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little deeper. What was the conversation
like with with Steve before approaching that scene.
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I think we were talking about what
we had had for dinner the night
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before. Yeah, topic of conversation
after sixty He's a delight Steve is he
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really is? And we've known each
other for years. You want to elaborate,
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please do um. Yeah, I
can't remember when I met him because
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I don't remember all that much of
anything anyway, but uh, he's an
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intellectual and so we talk about things
like what's going on in the world,
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and should we continue and is there
any point in getting up in the morning,
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And then we talk about optimism,
and then we go from optimism to
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well that's too unrealistic. Let's talk
about reality. And he's a very nice
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um man and very smart. Well, it is a difference cent of being.
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Being creative is part of intellectuality.
Yes, yes, and that's that
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was what was interesting discussing things like
that with Steve, Right, mostly Steve.
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I mean, I like Marty a
lot. It's sweetheart, but I
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mostly identify with the time of Steve
Martin, although I'm way past but below
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him in terms of being um born
years before. But I do like his
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white hair and his incollect, which
is more like what I grew up with.
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Yes, yes, he's always had
that white hair, right, I
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haven't even did they ever have?
I never remember him not having that white
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hair, right, yeah, and
an arrow through his head surely. Well
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the era, I mean, we're
in such a different era than what I'm
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used to that I I have to
I have to relearn English and stuff.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's very it's
very interesting and in many ways off putting.
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Yeah, so that's why I like
to go and do something like this
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show, right, you go back
to New York, sit in a restaurant
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with my face covered. Yeah,
taking the mask off every time I swallowed.
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So yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've always wondered, did you ever,
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I know, he played so many
instruments and you sing? Did you
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ever just kind of do that at
parties and things like that? I just
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kind of sing and play and play. I used to play lyolin when yeah,
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and you know, I got I
took lessons and could actually halfway perform,
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but um, it was the violin
became too heavy. Good thing.
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It wasn't a cello, no,
trub didn't need to sit down, not
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yet. No, But I did
play the violin, and I think about
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that because it's a very um elusive. Yes, it's a beautiful instrument.
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Was the last time you played the
violin? Oh my god? At my
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last funeral of my other life?
I don't know. I can't remember.
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Wow, Oh just imagine, but
it was, you know, I was
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a kid, and yeah, then
I got into dancing and performing otherwise.
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Can you tell us about Leonora slash
Roses character and her character arc? Absolutely
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not. I don't understand it.
It's too complicated for me. I don't
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know what's going on in the script
needed in any of the other actors,
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And so I have no idea.
I just played what I felt that day.
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I guess you think I'm kidding.
I'm not. No, Well that
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works for you, because yeah,
that was Let me tell you, that
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was a powerful scene that you had
with Steve Martin. It really was.
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It was a beautiful scene. And
you were playing a character who was playing
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a different character an imposter, Yeah, an impostor. Oh that's what it
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was. Oh yeah, well we'll
let you know what you were playing.
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Good somebody's kind of film in Okay, it works really well. And she'll
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laugh about all the stuff she doesn't
understand and know either. She'll probably said,
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I had no idea what the hell
I was doing? Oh? Completely,
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it was so funny. She's so
it's like you knew what you were
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doing. So mclin surely freaking McClain. That's the thing, like at the
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end of the day that Steve Martin
said, geez, you could. I
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mean she would be all over the
place telling the funniest stories and stuff like
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that, and then settle her down
into that seeing that he was like,
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boy, she's got it. She
got it for sure. Since we had
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Shirley on the phone, we had
to ask about filming Bunny's memorial back in
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episode two. Yeah, especially because
Michael Cyril Creighton, who plays Howard Morris,
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had told us this, there's actually
a really funny thing. This was
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actually this was very fun and it
got cut out. But after she after
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I gave her the cocotine, she
told me to crawl away, and then
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there's just like a long shot at
Howard holding the Martini glass crawling back to
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the kitchen. It makes perfect sense
that it was cut because it was like
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literally too long, not serving the
story. But it was really fun to
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do. And she was really concerned
that. Um. She was like,
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please tell me you have any pads
on. Please tell me you have new
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pats on. And I did.
She was very worried about me. She
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was very amazing. Yeah, that
was the best. That was an incredible
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day. Oh that's right. It
wasn't in the script. It looked like
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a rest. Well that immediately he
got down on his knees and and uh
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did what most people should do with
me, And he said he loved doing
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it, by the way, faster
faster, and he went faster, and
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I thought, well, maybe it
should leap for something, but he had
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already made it to the kitchen.
Oh my god, so funny. We
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were there any other behind the scenes
improvising moments that you can tell us about,
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or that you remember or anything.
Oh my god, how can I
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remember back to December? Wait a
minute now, let me think. Um,
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well, I remember we were in
the middle of COVID and I'm not
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used to working on the set with
everybody wearing masks. I like to know
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who the people are, so I, I guess I would go around asking
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well, who are you? A
lot of the crew, and there was
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one member of the crew who really
knew how to do a wonderful dance,
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and so I wanted to dance with
him. They were they were lighting,
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so I didn't cost any time.
Um, I have to think about that.
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I'm still so curious what kind of
dance this lighting guy did that impressed
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Shirley McLean. Well, let's see
the one to sembada the mashed potato.
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Um, I would uh did you
say the lombardo already forbidden? It is
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forbidden? You know what? That's
probably the one it's forbidden. Shirley McLean,
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All right, it's lombarda we're going
without and that same scene back in
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episode two. They may have cut
Howard crawling back to the kitchen, but
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they left in the bit with Rose
struggling with the cheese. Well, we
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were for lunch, so I was
hungry multitasking, yes, and then just
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doing what occurred to me about how
many days did you fill them all together
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for the show? Do you recall? I think I was in New York
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for a week and a half or
two weeks, and you know, it
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was all about how do we get
across town and not go to lunch or
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dinner with anybody? And and I
sat in a theater and watched a wonderful
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musical and thought about how close the
seats were. You do that, you
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know, when you're in the middle
of a kind of a deeply depressing time.
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Yeah, and then but still you've
got to be creative when you go
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to work. So and that that
didn't really hamper anything in our in our
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shoot, but it did in the
off stage reality because I couldn't get to
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know the crew. I didn't know
who I was talking to and who was
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who might have wandered on the set. I didn't ask him any questions.
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I just ate the cheese. Did
you go into hiding because my father was
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threatening you? I don't know a
lot about my father, but I don't
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think he was a good man,
and it has haunted me my whole life.
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And then you came along. I
hope that you charge rent to the
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people inside your head. You'd make
a fortune. Do you have the painting?
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Please? I haven't seen our episode
that you're supposed to be talking.
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It's so good, Charley, so
go oh oh, it's incredible, so
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much to unpack, and it's so
beautiful and done so well, and it's
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just and all the different. You
know, there's comedy, drama, serious,
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it's just all beautiful, you know, with the with the comination,
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but the whole show, we're just
that episode, well, the whole show.
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In your scenes in particular, yes, we will say, how's that?
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Okay? You don't have to get
down on your knees. KK is
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always down on his knees. It's
well, while you're there, you could
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use a refresh on the coco tini
that's bring John and I made up.
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Yeah, we would have that.
Yeah, we would have that every time
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we had lunch and then and then
of course if they change bartenders, we'd
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have to revise them all over again. Isn't that the case? You got
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to get the perfect one every time? Well? Sure, and so we
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made it up once again. Listeners, if you enjoy a cocktail and you
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haven't tried a Coco Tina yet,
head to the show notes of episode two
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for a Shirley mcclan approved recipe.
Did you have any guesses of who the
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murderer is? I have no idea. I mean, keener, do you
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think you know who the murderer is? Well? I always think I know
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who the murderer is. But it's
not time for the who Done its summit
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yet? Kk True, but all
signs seem to be pointing to Sinda.
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Right, Oh yeah, yeah they
do. But this episode had a lot
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of big reveals. We know for
sure that Creps is Glitter Guy and that
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he was down in Oklahoma for the
Becky Butler podcast, right. And we
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know that the woman we thought was
Leonora Folger is actually Rose Cooper, yes
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yes, And we know that Teddy
Demas is Will's biological father. And we
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know that someone with brown hair and
glass was sniffing around the painting. There's
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so many big reveals going on,
well, we have a lot, because
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we set up a lot in this
season, and I think the trick is
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to do it in such a way
to where we have just enough to where
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it's like, oh my god,
Like the reveal at the end of nine
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about Poppy is incredible. It's so
great and it makes you want to watch
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the last episode. You just want
to dive right into the next episode.
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But I think the key is to
figure out how to space them out to
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where it doesn't feel like like an
information and we're still kind of playing into
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the mystery. And so we had
so many things that we wanted to tell
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and so many stories that we did
tell, and that was a challenge for
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us to figure out exactly how we
wanted to reveal them to where it was
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satisfying and didn't feel like it was
too what it wants. I didn't.
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I really didn't know that um that
Oliver was not telling the truth, that
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it wasn't his son. Did anybody
else? I didn't think that. I
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mean, I I could have if
I thought about it, He's not Greek
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or whatever, but I didn't.
I was just watching it effortlessly and then
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wow, it just hit me with
you he's a very convincing Yeah. Well,
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I mean I think that character has
probably lied to many of people in
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his life. Everyone Custer's yeah,
yeah, sure. So maybe the biggest
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reveal of this episode is that Poppy
is actually Becky Butler from All Is Not
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Okay in Oklahoma? Are we going
to learn more about that in episode ten?
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Yes? Come again, That's all
I'm gonna say. Yes, without
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revealing much was way longer. I
just it's I don't want to give anything
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away. I think episode ten it's
it's very satisfying, and I don't want
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to taint it in any way.
I don't want to give spoilers anything to
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talk about. Yeah, there's so
many great songs from the soundtrack this season.
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KKM, Yeah, what's your favorite? Keener? Well, no,
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I'm not going to pick a favorite, because then I'll get screwed. You
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know what. Honestly, the music
on this show is just very dramatic but
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soothing at the same time. Soothing. Nice work. If you want to
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learn more about how the music for
this show always created, listen to our
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podcast, season one, episode eight
title double Time. Oh Yeah, we
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talked to composers Dartha coas Law.
Yeah, we started this episode talking about
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a crooked cop, why not end
it with one of the straight ones.
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Well she's not exactly straight a right, Okay, the good Gay Coup those
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last two episodes. I don't know
how they did it. We literally filmed
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it in chunks because everyone is there, and so we literally they had like,
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uh, markers are like a little
like a pillow, a pink pillow
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is this and that? And we
because yeah, wow in Spade, Yeah,
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to have the like du you know, who've done it at the end
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of the season um that it was
just it was amazing the way they were
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able to tackle it. I don't
know how do it, but again it's
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like really beautifully organized chaos. I
will say, like for me the end
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of good actors, other situations,
I'm telling you, on other shows,
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directors would like scream and run for
the hills. I think when you watch
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the end of this season on,
a very lovely um actor loved by many
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very talented kind will appear and they
will then be continuing into season three as
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the main story that will be in
connection with the other character who we haven't
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delved into their life yet. Okay, I'm gonna give you another one.
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I'm gonna give you another very dangerous
It will be a show within a show
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a season three see Layer after layer. No, this is already hurting my
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head. But no, okay,
there will be a show within a show
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from at least what I've been told
last the Only Murders Show. Before we
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get to the who Done It summit, here are some parting words from the
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one and only Shirley McClain. I
mean, we really loved talking with her.
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Well, um, I guess if
you're going to fill up the error
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with your talking um, it should
say something, shouldn't it. M Shall
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I say? I think that we
all have to spend more time alone.
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I think we have to be more
involved with who we are and who we're
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not, and when we get a
more acquainted with ourselves, because that hasn't
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been happening for quite a while,
we're just more acquainted with what's going on
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on the outside and then how to
respond to it. But if we knew
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ourselves better, I think we would
have a more a more flowing and creative
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and happy world. And I would
recommend spending some time together and then some
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time alone, but mostly right now, I think more time alone would be
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recommended for being more involved with what
your future might be self reflect And you
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know what, and I thought of
the next title, lonely murders in the
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building. Well, that way gets
killed. That's why it's a good idea.
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That's right. It's a short it's
a short series. As we said,
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everyone, the soundtrack is available,
so we're going to leave a link
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in our notes and then you can
purchase it and enjoy it to your little
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Murderous Hearts content act out scenes at
home perfect KK Episode nine and we are
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ready again one more time for the
who Done It? Summit? Are you
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ready to go? Oh? Yes? Tell people again real quickly what this
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is. This is where Keener and
I, based off what we have seen
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so far right down who we think
the murderer is, seal it in an
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envelope for each other until right now
when we reveal it. Keener, Okay,
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yes, and I'm going to open
yours first. Okay, So here
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we go, you said, Cinda, Cinda, yes, do tell well,
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she just seems like the murder at
the very end episode. And I
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will say I did guess her before, as you probably don't recall, but
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never I never recall suspected her I
think she was my very first guest and
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now she is my last guest.
Because I don't think we'll have a Who've
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done it summit next week. We
should have it anyway, just to see
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if we're right. Cinda Canning is
my ready? Okay, let's do mine,
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then do it for you, said
Cinda. Yes, great. I
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know. I don't know how you
copied me without knowing mine first, but
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yes, great minds. If you
remember, I said, Cinda last season,
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so something's happening. I do believe. Did you finally last season?
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Yes, at some point I know
it. You're like, yes, dogs
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crying before it happened. It was
a freak car. Yes, for those
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of you you can look that up. But yes, I think it's Cinda
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too. I mean, I don't
know. She turned slowly, but Shirley
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in the chicken Cluck cluck place.
And you know what else could it be?
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Right? What else could it be? Ka gay, She's not like
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the trio stealing her thunder never,
And this is a murder she could control.
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Yes, a murder she could control. That's very good. I'm going
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to write that down, put on
a T shirt and sell it. Okay,
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Well, thank you guys, so
much. We appreciate you. Thanks
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everybody, thanks for listening to season
two, episode nine of Only Murders in
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the Pod. Our inbox is open, so please send over your thoughts and
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show, please leave us a radio
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Media, posted by Elizabeth Keener Me
and Kevin lawn You, produced by Ryan
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Tillotson and Maggie Bowls. Associate producer
is Stephen Markley. Original music by Kyle
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Merritt and Only Murders theme music by
Sadartha Kosla. Big big thanks to John
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Hoffman, Xavier Salas, Louisa Maltini, and the entire Hulu team. All
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right, here we go with the
fan mail and the guests and the theories
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and all that. And you know
what, I Am going to talk like
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this like Alice in this one because
I feel like doing it to this time,
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because you know what in homage to
Alice, homage to Alice and are
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possibly fake accent and possibly fake act. Yes, here we go. Jeff
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from Harper's ferry. He sent us
a couple and thank you, Jeff.
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I'm just going to read a little
bit of yours. Why did Creps break
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in Charles's door? He knew nothing
about the walls until the break in and
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was after Charles revenge for the glitterbaumb
and knitting needle attack. After Creps comment
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to Marv dirty cop and a terrible
person, ooh, he's got Crips's number.
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I think great. Kika, Yeah, that is some good shite.
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The letter I picked this week is
from Kennedy from Utah, and there's also
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some Crep stuff. They said that
they have a theory that Detective Creps is
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the half brother of Charles, and
since Charles's father had many romances, perhaps
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Craps as the result of one of
those. Possibly even Rose Cooper could be
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his mother. Why. He also
thinks that he is jealous of Charles,
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who plays a pretend detective on television
sealing the Spotlight from who is a actual
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New York City detective. Well,
you know, we need pie charts and
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labelsas diagrams and trees like we need
to re enactments. Oh, you and
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I can re enact everything, but
I am like amazed at what people send
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us. They they really pushed through
and think it really hard, and there's
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a lot of theories processes go right
that. Yeah, and I guess Creps
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is the bad boy. I mean
they are thinking Crep right, glitter guy
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or what I mean, what have
you? And he's got the excessive force
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going on. He's got things.
And we want to give a shout out
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to Alicia, b Ryan p Jeff
l Juliet, Susie, Karen Toombs,
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Jackie d Ted keep them coming.
Yeah, we mean we got the whole
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alphabet there, right, I mean
a t Z. Thank you everyone,
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it's global, it really is.
Thank you everyone. We we read them
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all and we try and shout out
to you, but thank you so much
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for sending and your doggies. How
many doggies do you have? I just
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would have heard that I have three
three rat terriers and two big shepherds who
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baby. Yeah, that's a sweet
family there, yeah, a little and
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and I live in a in a
in a doggy place and no I don't
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I'm just going off a tract kennel
like I live in a kennel. I
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couldn't think of the word. Okay, all right, let's do this.
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Me grab a little water. Oh, there's dogs barking. I got task
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grabbed doing my Ikeia stuff in the
back bang in, we'll see what happens.
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What Hey? That where it was
it where it was hidden. That's
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not where the poop falls, correct, I mean there was like a there
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was like another layer of there's another
layer. The poop was discussed. There
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was a lot we talked about maybe
if it was upside down and there was
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poop in the back, like,
Yeah, there was a lot of discussion
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about the bird poop and the painting. I named it that because you know,
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I think cups like excessive force,
so it just felt appropriate when Mabel
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looked up the excessive Force Jim.
It had one point five stars in the
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review. Yes, yeah, it's
gross. It's really gross. And they
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did such a good job. I
mean they found an actual gym, Um,
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but I did anything like that where
you have just a bunch of dudes,
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you know, sweating all the time
and beating each other up. It's
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kind of gnarly. Um. And
the fact that he lives there too.
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I mean I think if I were
going to go to a gym and the
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owner like live there, I might
give it one and a half stars.
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Myself, it says something, Yes, it really does