#29: Lachlan Ma - Tech Recruiting at TikTok, Goal-Setting, and Discovering Your Ikigai

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Hello everyone and welcome back to another fun and exciting episode of 1000 Gurus with me, your host, jr Yonacruz.
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So today's episode features guest Lachlan Ma.
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Lachlan graduated from UC Irvine in 2020 and first started working as a university recruiter at CVS Health.
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Then he became a talent acquisition partner at TikTok, specializing in global expansion for engineering teams in Australia, us and Europe.
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He also builds YouTube channels, the first being a K-pop news YouTube channel that was monetized and is currently building a tech recruiting channel giving free advice and insights to job seekers from a tech recruiter perspective.
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On the side, he also dances with Passion Project and Espiritu.
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So Lachlan is a fellow dancer who also works in tech and is big into content creation, following your passions, developing strong mindsets, etc.
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So it was no wonder why this was such a good conversation for us.
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We not only talked about his background and everything tech recruiting related, but also how to set up systems in place to achieve your goals and finding your ikigai, which is basically your purpose.
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Lachlan is very insightful in many different areas, so this was another one of those home-run episodes, in my opinion, and also talking with Lachlan is just a ton of fun because of his light-hearted personality.
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So, without further ado.
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Hope you enjoy this episode with Lachlan Ma.
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Alright, lachlan, welcome to the show, thank you.
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Thank you To the audience.
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Let them clap it out, all right, lachlan?
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Well, thank you for being on the show.
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I really appreciate it.
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I'm glad that we were able to schedule something.
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So let me just go into how I know you.
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So we know each other through Irmo, which is a dance team at UCI.
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It's a collegiate like modern dance team exhibition.
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We've never danced together before, but I was on like the alumni council while you were on the team, like ninth and 10th gen, right.
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We kind of talked about this beforehand.
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So I followed your career.
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You've been like a recruiter, a talent acquisition person for a while now, like you.
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You're currently with TikTok and you still dance a lot, it seems, and you are you mentioned in the form that you are also building different YouTube channels.
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K-pop related and tech recruiting related.
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Is that all correct?
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Any clarifications?
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Yes, I try to dance as much as I can.
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Yeah, but of course, like with all the work at tiktok and building the youtube channels, I definitely don't have as much time as I want to have with it but that's kind of just something I'm figuring out right now yeah, it's all good.
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Yeah, you're, seems like you're a busy guy, very ambitious, definitely, uh.
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So I have a warm-up question before we get into first topic.
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So you're into k-pop?
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oh yeah, favorite groups, favorite groups well, definitely what got me into k-pop more recently was blackpink during covid.
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I used to be into xo way back then, but I'm a go-to guy.
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So blackpink, new jeans and twice like just the kind of.
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I'm kind of like the big, the big, the big, yeah, the big ones the most like well-known ones or an.
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I've, oh, I've, yeah, good choices, yeah do you have a alt like a bias Jenny from blackpink.
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Ah, good call, good call mine's rosé.
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So we're right there.
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Yeah, the Aussie girl.
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Yeah, are you going to?
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yeah, exactly.
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Are you going to their concert, coming up or tour?
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I am.
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My friends actually texted me the other day and they said, hey, we bought you a ticket, you're gonna go.
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And I was like, okay, sweet, I think I can go.
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And they're like, but we're in new york so you have to like new york.
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And I was like, oh, this is the catch you have to come to new york yeah, and they're like yeah, just let us know.
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And so I just bought a plane ticket to New York, so I'll be flying to New York to watch them.
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But I watched them like the previous years at like the Coachella performance.
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They're on corporate.
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I watched them four times in the last tour.
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Yeah, so can't ever get enough of them nice.
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When is the new york show?
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july 27th.
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It's gonna be pretty hot, but hopefully they bring the same energy that they have in la, so we'll see yeah, it's funny a few months ago, uh, we watched my friends and I watched jenny at jimmy ellen.
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Wait, jimmy family, jimmy kimball, jimmy kimball one of the days I think it's one in LA, but uh, we went and it was great.
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She was really good live.
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I've saw them in concert, like before COVID too.
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Yeah, they're really great.
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So my friends keep asking, like, are you going to the tour?
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And I'm like I'm gonna be honest with you, blackpink is great, but I'm actually a Rosé fan yeah, so.
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I'm kind of waiting for that solo tour, yeah, and because I want my money to go like 100%, not just like all right, it's 25% well spent.
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But you know Blackpink's cool.
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Well, jennie and Lisa are playing at Coachella this year.
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Oh yeah, that's right, I'll watch them, but I'm sure, like with how good Rose went with her songs, she's going to want to go next year.
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That's what I'm hoping.
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Next year?
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Well, okay, coachella, sure, but I'm some sort of solo tour, so more bang for my buck, but we will see.
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Okay, you know k-pop, okay, yeah, that's just our warm-up.
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Okay, um, cool, cool, but all right.
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So let's go into first topic, which is usually for my guests origin story, kind of like where you grew up and what were the main influences, that kind of connect the dot to where you are today yeah, so, as you can see from my name, I was born in or maybe don't see my name, but I was born in sy.
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Or maybe don't see my name, but I was born in Sydney, australia.
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Lachlan's a very Australian name.
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My dad is from Hong Kong and he moved to Australia when he was seven by boat.
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He was like literally a fob I'm escaping the communists from China so he's like pretty much full Australian.
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And then my mom is from the Philippines and moved there when she was younger, so that's where they had me, my three other siblings, when we moved to America in 2004,.
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When I was seven, we moved to a town called Acadia, so Los Angeles, so that's more so where I grew up, at least for the most of my conscious formative years.
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And then how I landed, or kind of to bridge where I am now.
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I went to UC Irvine or I transferred to UC Irvine.
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I went to community college for two years, transferred to UC Irvine that's where I met you and on Irmo and throughout that time at UC Irvine or just in college, I feel like I didn't do the best I could academically in high school.
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I did a lot of leadership in high school.
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I did a lot of leadership.
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In high school I was like senior class president in ASB.
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I was speech and debate captain.
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I also participated in drum line and marching band.
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So I was very active in like my extracurriculars.
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So I think that I grew up introverted but through that exposure, through all those activities, it made me very extroverted.
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So, going into college and wanting to really pave the way for my career, I did three internships.
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My first year internship was actually in the Philippines at Jollibee oh that's cool.
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Yeah, I was a finance intern and basically I was stressed out because all my friends, they like went to UCLA and then also UT Austin and they were getting investment making internships and they're like, lachlan, what's your internship?
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And I'm like guys, I don't know.
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I was gonna tell my mom because my mom has a connection to the head of HR for Jalby.
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She's like my son needs an internship and she was like, okay, if we could put him in a finance internship.
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So flew to the Philippines for my freshman year summer, lived in Manila and while I loved the company and the people, the job was just very not human-like, just you know, very staring at a computer all day, but then just not to go too much into it.
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But I did a lot internship my next year because I figured with my speech and debate experience I could really excel in that.
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But again, it was something that I found would be able to make me a lot of money.
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But I wasn't interested in the work that they were doing.
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And someone who was around our age that was younger, told me when one of the courts they're like, don't do it.
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And I was like okay, I won't, that's already my sign.
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So my last year internship the final time to really, I guess, pave my path into a full-time career was in tax accounting.
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My mom was just saying you know, become an accountant.
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She went to University of the Philippines in accounting.
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So she said it's the most stable way to, I guess, make a paycheck and just it's a very stable way of living.
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But I did not like the internship at all.
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I actually would just go, they'd feed us a lot and I would go into the kind of wellness room or like the mother's all.
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I actually would just go, they'd feed us a lot and I would go into the kind of wellness room or like the mother's room and just sleep.
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Because it just was not.
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It was not for me.
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And then when I graduated I was in a crisis because I didn't like any of the internships I did.
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My parents were drilling me on you just need to pick something and do something.
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And then I figured, well, I didn't like these internships but I was always really excited for them.
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So why don't I actually become a recruiter?
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Because I loved interviewing and I love talking to recruiters.
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So when my dad heard about this he was like, no, you're not doing that.
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But I actually applied to a program where a Robin Hood recruiter, a recruiter from Robin Hood, the stock trading app, was taking applications to mentor five students who had no recruiting experience to get into recruiting.
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Luckily I got in.
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He mentored me, started my first job as a university recruiter at CVS Health recruiting pharmacists.
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Again, I know it's a trend but I didn't like it at all either.
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It wasn't the job that I didn't like, it was the company culture at that point.
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It was very low diversity and I was always kind of spoken over.
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So I actually quit that.
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It was a contract role.
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I quit before the contract ended.
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I had to start my own recruiting business.
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But in the meantime TikTok was about to surpass the ban from Trump and they needed to start getting recruiters to hire more people because the company was growing really was growing rapidly.
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So I was reached out to by a recruiter from tiktok.
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They saw my experience at cbs health.
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They were saying, hey, like we are growing our recruiting team, let's hop on a call.
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So that's what got me into tiktok, of course, did interviews and now fast forward, four years later I hire for Sydney, australia, sydney, san Jose, seattle, and also did some hiring like for London and Dublin as well.
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So, yeah, that's what brought me to here now.
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Yeah, well, that's a I love that story and maybe people can take away what they want from that.
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But I guess my question for you, as a sit-in for people who might be at that stage you were at, or even before then, what were kind of the I guess, mindsets or ideas that helped to get you to where you are?
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In the sense of it seems like you're trying to figure out what you wanted to do.
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You've tried these different internships and pivots and all this other stuff.
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But I guess do you have any thoughts or advice on someone who might be going through a similar, not career crisis, but you know what I mean Like the early stage, like you're still in college or maybe you're leaving high school and you're not really sure what you want to do, kind of like yourself.
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Yeah.
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What kind of advice or thoughts would you give to that?
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person?
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No, definitely, I think.
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When you step into college and when you start speaking to like your parents, friends or like adults, they're always going to ask you so what are you going to do when you graduate?
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And it is a career crisis because a lot of times most college students don't have it all figured out.
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But from what I did and when at the time I didn't, I wasn't planning on it, but it all just worked out.
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Luckily, I had those internships that I did and I really did just throw myself into things that I didn't know if I was going to be interested in it but I wanted to get something out of it and that is is this a possible career path for myself?
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So I think, for all those students out there, or even if you're not in college and you're still figuring things out, just do something and really analyze what you like about what you're doing and what you don't like about your doing, and narrow into what you do like and see what kind of path that creates for you.
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Because, as you saw from my path, I had no recruiting experience at all.
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It was everything but recruiting.
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But what I figured out, or what I realized, is that I liked that specific recruiting experience for each of the internships, which is why, okay, I'll become a recruiter, because I think if I want to live both a happy life, something that I'm passionate about and I'm able to get paid for the whole concept of like ikigai, which then it's to really do well for me in the long run, because I don't want to trap myself in a career where you know you don't want to track yourself in a career where you will regret like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have just jumped into something so quickly for the sake of it.
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Yeah, I like that.
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Okay, we'll put it in an ikigai yes.
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But before that so it seems like correct me if I'm wrong you pinpointed a part in your experience that you enjoyed, which was that kind of recruiting process, and that's what kind of lit the light bulb of oh, maybe I should try this out.
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And it was really just that's how you fell into it, like it was no one saying you should go into recruiting because you seem like a really good person.
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Like that, exactly.
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Okay, before he guy.
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What do you think were your characteristics and maybe you already explained this that led you to being good at what you do and or enjoying what you do?
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Yeah, so the?
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first one.
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What led me to be okay like?
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What characteristics do you think lent you to being?
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Good at what you do now oh yeah.
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So I would consider myself an extroverted person.
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So I do like to talk to a lot of people and actually growing up I was very introverted.
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I was very shy, usually, like a lot of parents of of my classmates would always be like oh yeah, like lachlan's really shy whenever I'd go over to some someone's house.
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But when I got into speech and debate during high, that's what really broke me out of my shell, because I used to do something called humorous interpretation.
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Basically, you just get like a movie script or something and you just make it really funny and you act like you just act really stupid in front of the whole audience.
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So that's what broke me out of my shell.
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And because I gained the confidence to act that certain way in front of a group of people, that's how I started to become more extroverted.
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And now during work as a recruiter, you need to be comfortable speaking to all different types of people and kind of not worry about how you're perceived by them.
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But at the same time, because it is recruiting, you are the face of the company you work for, so you still need to present yourself in a good way.
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But that's what helped build on my confidence okay.
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So do you think so?
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Are you an extrovert now, or you introverted and you develop those skills to be extroverted, or at least more people skills?
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yeah, I think growing up I was introverted.
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Now I'm more extroverted, leaning, but I was the middle, but maybe leaning towards extroversion.
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Yeah, so I would say in the middle, but maybe leaning towards extroversion yeah.
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So I would say like for the most part I'm ambiverted, okay, mostly extroverted, but I really do enjoy my alone time and just peace at home.
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And there are times where you know, if my friends text me like, hey, let's do this, let's do this, um, I used to say yes every time, but now I just prefer to stay home, work on my projects or spend time with my dog.
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I see For the most part extroverted, but I also have my introverted moments.
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Okay, so maybe you jump back and forth, depending on the context.
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Yeah, exactly that makes sense I think I'm the same way too.
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I understand now that I'm probably naturally introverted, but I can do well in extroverted spaces if I.
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My perspective is that it's a developed skill, set people skills and learning how to get energy from those spaces.
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But I do know that I do get drained at a certain point if it's too many unfamiliar people.
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Exactly.
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Whereas if it's like a bunch of people who are my close friends, I have energy all day, so I like that.
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Going back to humorous interpretation.
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Interpretation that sounds like a lot of fun, but do you have an example of what that would be like?
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If you do have any?
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yeah.
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So basically I did.
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Okay.
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I'll give you some background.
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I did two speech and debate for two years and for humorous interpretation I had a script called walkie.
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Talkie bob is about an introverted boy who didn't know how to speak to girls and everything just went wrong for him.
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So basically you start off with a character.
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It's like a monologue but there's multiple characters.
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So I start.
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I would start off and say hi my name's josh and I'm not very good at talking, talking to girls, especially girls and I switch into a girl and be like what?
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And then like oh sorry, but you know, like that's that type.
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So it's like a, it's like a one person play.
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Yeah, playing multiple people.
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Yeah, like multiple personalities that sounds like so much fun yeah, it's really fun.
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Okay, man, I gotta look into this more yeah, okay, cool, going back to ikigai, ikigai now.
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So what is ikigai and you explain, like their thoughts on how that's relevant?
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Yes.
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So Ikigai is a Japanese concept where you tie in I think it's three or four things, but I know the three things for sure.
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You tie in three things and if you think of a Venn diagram, what's in the middle of tying those three things is what leads you to living quote unquote a happy, purposeful life.
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So Ikigai is the concept of tying in number one, what is your passion, number two, what the world needs, and number three, what you can be paid for.
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So when you tie all these things together, that is your Ikigai.
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Ikigai.
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And the reason why I mentioned that before especially is because when I first started at the job I work at right now, I was probably the happiest I've ever been because I was achieving that Fast forward to now it's a little bit different, just because of the culture of things have changed, but that's essentially what Ikigai is.
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I love it and so there's a book on that and there's articles and stuff like that.
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I'll link to it, because I did a book summary on Ihi Gai or one of them.
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I think the book is hit or miss, but the concept is great.
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Have you read that book?
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I did, I did.
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I forgot the author.
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Who is that?
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Hector Garcia.
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Yeah, Hector Garcia, no no.
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So I think the concept is amazing and I think the fourth one is like what you are good at, so it's what you enjoy, what you're good at, what the market will pay you for and what the world needs.
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Yes, they're for them.
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Exactly, and so I like that concept.
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But what I was kind of disappointed about the book was like it kept talking about like blue zones and like not really Ikigai related stuff.
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So I guess my own critique is I kind of went off the topic of what I thought it was going to talk about but it's still a solid book.
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Recommend it.
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Go check it out.
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Okay cool.
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So I think that's it.
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We can move on to now tech recruiting.
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I guess it's a good segue.
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Yeah, so, I guess, yeah.
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So, as a tech recruiter, this might be interesting to other people who don't know how the field works or how the job works out, and put it into day-to-day I, you know, am the face of the company when it terms.
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When it comes to me reaching out to a candidate, specifically, I hire software engineers.
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So I'll reach out to software engineers from other big tech companies, say hey, you know, I'm from tiktok.
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Wait, did I mention I'm from TikTok?
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Yeah, they'll have known by now.
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Oh, okay, okay, hey.
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Your bio, plus also, the clickbait title of this will probably say TikTok, okay.
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Okay, I wasn't sure if I should mention it yet.
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Okay but basically I reach out to software engineers from other tech companies and say, hey, I'm from TikTok, send them a link to messages and say we're growing fast, we have over 1.6 billion global active users.
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Come join us.
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So I'll have a group of candidates coming in every day.
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I do phone calls with them and then I'll pitch each one to the hiring manager based on what the role requires.
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It also requires, of course, a lot of meetings with my stakeholders or clients, and my clients are the engineering managers of the company.
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So I have to work with each of them to understand what they're doing, what their hiring needs are and, of course, how I can fulfill those hiring needs.
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So it's a lot of meetings with hiring managers, candidate calls, a lot of messaging or consulting with cross-functional partners, so like even legal immigration, and I also have another kind of group of people in my recruiting team, like recruiting coordinators and sourcers, who help me out as well.
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So it is a lot of actually messaging within the company and externally as well.
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It's very internal and external.
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So it's like the nexus of a lot of different points Exactly exactly what do you think are some good characteristics for a good recruiter?
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Yes, I think definitely the number one characteristic actually is someone who is willing to face rejection.
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So as recruiters, especially in this market, rejection is a big part of your job, because you'll reach out to candidates and they'll all react in different ways.
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I've had candidates of course, for the most part they are excited and they are respectful, but I've had candidates who are like yeah, I don't want to work for your company, like a lot of political stuff.
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I love political stuff, but also sometimes people are just really mean and I'm just like I'm trying to give you an opportunity.
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This is my job.
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But I one time had a guy come in who said, yeah, I'm not willing to move to your company unless you give me at least a million dollars in total compensation.
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Just like coming in, like that.
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It's like how do you think you're going to get a job like that?
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So it's just number one thing is, of course, willing to face rejection and face these scenarios.
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Number two I think it is again, as I said, like people skills and being able to be a generalist and flow with different situations, because you will be talking to different people that have different work styles and because TikTok is a very global company, you will collaborate with different countries that have different work cultures as well.
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So it's really interesting because we have our own work culture in America, but the way you know someone else might communicate with you online is going to be completely different.
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It may seem mean, but it's actually their culture, you know, so kind of just being able to work with people globally and adjust to that.
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Number three is just time management organization, because it is such large scale recruiting and for a company that's building something great at a global level.
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As I said, we have over 1.6 billion global active users, so you can imagine the amount of energy and effort that goes into building the teams that build.
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That it's just, yeah, you need to have time management organization.
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So, and on top of that, it's just also the entrepreneurial mindset, yeah.
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So those are the three things.
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Yeah, I think it's crazy because it seems like it's the point where you have to have the, like you said, generalist of the technical knowledge, but also the people skills, the organizational knowledge, but also the people skills, the organizational skills, and then dealing cross-culturally on such a global platform and communicating with different people, so I think that's definitely a tough job, but I can see why it can be so active and busy.
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Like you said, your day-to-day is not the same.
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Yeah exactly, aside from what you've already mentioned, what are some of the biggest challenges I guess you face, or maybe a tech recruiter faces in general, aside from, like, the rejection and obviously all those complications?
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yeah, so, regardless of whether it's at TikTok or other big companies, your employer branding is something that's very important for a candidate or someone to consider you.
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It's just like when you are considering pairs of shoes.
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Let's say, two pairs of shoes are in front of you and they're the exact same, but you put and you ask someone to pick one shoe to wear.
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But they're the exact same, except one of them has a nike logo on it.
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People, because nike, unless they have something bad but, for the most part, I think they have good branding.
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People are going to gravitate towards nike, the picking, the nike shoe.
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So in the same way, it's like a company when it comes to tiktok, the branding is everything, and there it's not just tiktok.
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All companies, you know somewhat, go through times of good branding and bad branding.
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What, depending on what the media reports of the company.
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So it's those market shifts that do make it challenging for recruiters, when it is in that low period, to be able to convince a candidate to join the company, when they're literally searching up the company and all that comes up in the news is like this is what the work culture is like, or these are things that just happened, that you know a lot of people are against that.
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The company just did you know, so it's those market shifts are very challenging for recruiters right, yeah and I imagine like the larger your company is, the more, I guess, the more scale that is, but the more likely that there will be something that someone will hear about.
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You can't?
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it's not like you can control a one point something billion active members platform and be like, okay, this is our cohesive brand or everyone is on point, whereas there can be something here there that's like well exactly like all that you think about, if you also relate it to like celebrities, like people do bad things and let's say, let's bring the example like hypothetical like someone cheats on their partner, and it's just like someone that doesn't have a large following, but when a celebrity cheats on their partner, it's all over the news, you know.
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So, in the same way, like when bigger companies do something, it's blown up at a larger scale and reported, reported wide.
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Yeah, yeah, makes sense quick reported white.
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Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
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Quick tangent.
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Do you speak any other languages?
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I well.
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I speak English, of course, really In case you guys didn't know, he's just a translator this whole time, but I understand Tagalog and I speak very elementary proficiency Mandarin.
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Okay, okay, yeah.
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Because my mom's Filipino and speaks to me like I speak very elementary proficiency Mandarin.
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Okay, okay, yeah, because my mom's Filipino and speaks to me like Tagalog phrases that I'll know, but my dad made me learn Mandarin when starting middle school but I didn't have too much exposure to it, gotcha.
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I was just curious if that plays a part in what you do, since you're very global in what you do.
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I was just wondering if, oh, oh, it actually does, because at tiktok it's owned by the parent company by dance that comes from china and while I don't do business in chinese like a lot of our company communications and our messages our meetings are in chinese, but for our internally developed communication suite, they have a live translation.
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So even if you go in a meeting that's completely in Chinese or another language, there'll be subtitles on the bottom and it will translate into English in real time.
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So that's how Technology, man.
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Yeah, exactly right, but sometimes the translations are off.
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So I'll be in meetings, and it's a really important meeting, and they're telling me something and I'm trying to read the subtitles and I'm like wait.
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Can you say that again, but differently?
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One more time, please.
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One more time, please, yeah.
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I don't think my coworker understood it correctly.
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I understood it, but it's for them.
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It's for them.
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I'm sure everyone's on the same page I'm just looking into.
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You mentioned some of the achievements that you have were building TikTok shop team and then also Australia's first engineering team.
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Yes, I guess either what was that like and or do you have any stories about that process?
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That might be interesting of doing those things.
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Yeah, it was amazing, amazing again.
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That's why I mentioned kind of earlier you have to be entrepreneurial for this role, especially coming into tiktok, because it's all about building, as opposed to just maintaining or filling in backfill positions for people that leave.
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We're like really just building new teams and building something greater.
00:27:14.323 --> 00:27:22.471
So, going to that first experience with tiktok shop, at the time I was what's called a technical I was still recruiter, but called a technical sourcer.
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So they're really the sales people of recruiting, where they're in charge only of reaching out to candidates that are qualified for the role, bringing them in and then throwing them into the interview process.
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So that's how we come, that's how we build and keep a consistent pipeline of candidates.
00:27:39.807 --> 00:27:56.005
So back in 2021, when I was doing sourcing, tiktok Shop at the time was a confidential project called Project Magellan and I don't know why it was called that, but the company was like, hey, we're going to have you work on Project Magellan, it's our e-commerce project.
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And I was like, okay, cool, and we basically or I basically got.
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And I was like, okay, cool, and we basically or I basically got reached out to candidates from Amazon, ebay, etsy, like Lyft and Uber as well, so things that have e-commerce or payments or some sort of product to a consumer.
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:13.886
Is this kind of like a cold reaching out sort of thing?
00:28:13.907 --> 00:28:21.390
Yeah, Okay, it's all cold reach outs, but for the most part, the talent pool was like untouched by all of our recruiters.
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Compared to now, I feel like we've reached out to everyone.
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So it was really nice to see a lot of other candidates from like google and facebook be passionate and be excited to join us.
00:28:31.885 --> 00:28:36.463
So that's yeah, just builds out the e-commerce teams for that.
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And now it's tiktok shop and you guys haven't used it.
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It's, it's really, it's actually pretty good.
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Now a lot of businesses and small businesses promote their products and sell on tiktok shop, so it's created a lot of opportunity and even revenue for the us.
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And fast forward into last year, as I mentioned, I was born in sydney, austral, so I still hold my past, my Aussie passport, and the company had some of the teammates working on Australia and they were doing like late night meetings because they had to adjust for the time zone.
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And then I was having lunch with my boss one time and she was out.
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She was asking me how I was and I was like, yeah, it's all right.
00:29:14.028 --> 00:29:16.626
You know it's getting really busy, but I'm hanging in there.
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She's like you should see the Australia team because they're staying up late.
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And I was like, oh, that's funny, I'm literally from Australia.
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And she's like, oh, you have your passport still.
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And I'm like yeah, why wouldn't I?
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She's like, oh cool.
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And then the next week HR reached out to me.
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And they're basically like, can you move to Australia for a year or two?
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And I actually, because I have a dog, I also own two properties here that I take care of, so just a lot of my assets and just my personal life is here in SoCal.
00:29:46.228 --> 00:29:50.925
But we reached a deal where every three months I can come back for a month, so that helped out.
00:29:50.925 --> 00:29:54.269
So last year 2024, went to Sydney, australia.
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They didn't have any engineering teams.
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All the office was filled with like more global business solutions marketing folks.
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It was a business office but because ideally you want to house all the data in the region that the users are in for the sake of, like, user data security, I always built out the site reliability engineering team, so they were building out the data centers, the local data centers, and maintaining that.
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I hired over 30 engineers there and it was really nice because I was able to connect back to where I was born and where I'm from and actually all my family's there.
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But at the same time, like it's a full circle because I don't really go back and I go back now and I'm like a full adult and I'm working.
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I brought my mom over for a month.
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Luckily, tiktok put me in a luxury apartment that was called the Opera Residences.
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It's the residences of the Sydney Opera House.
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Wow, it was really nice.
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So my mom, it was just really nice because my mom was just in awe and she was so proud of me and she actually always like, for when she was in theines and she moved to australia and saw that apartment, she always wanted to live in that apartment, so it was really full circle more for her as well.
00:31:08.305 --> 00:31:10.912
But basically, sorry, going back to tiktok, it was.
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It was nice because, again like I I mentioned for tiktok shop and back in 2021, the talent pool was untouched and we didn't reach out to all the candidates the previous year, so we still had a lot of fresh talent pool to reach out to.
00:31:23.493 --> 00:31:35.691
Just to give you some context about how difficult it was to hire there, though, we typically hire from other tech companies and in America, you know, there's a big tech presence.
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However, to give you a comparison, australia as a country is or their population is smaller than California as a state, so when you think about Australia's tech population, it's like even smaller.
00:31:48.613 --> 00:31:58.358
So within a week or two, like I, actually reached out to all of the engineers from tech companies and there wasn't that much responses.
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I don't think we actually hired really any or, if any, like that many from other tech companies.
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So I was able to use that data to convince the hiring manager to start considering people from non-tech companies.
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That's how I was able to reach my goal, and then we also hired from India as well.
00:32:16.579 --> 00:32:18.480
So yeah and fast forward to now.
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I'm now recruiting in the US.
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I potentially have another chance to hire again for australia and europe, but right now, like a lot of my clients and stakeholders, are in china, sydney, in the us and the east coast, so again, still very global yeah, dang, oh, that must have been like a really crazy experience, and it seems like a lot of hard work goes into that as well yeah, definitely nice.
00:32:45.375 --> 00:32:47.502
It's funny because it's yeah, we reached out to all the people there.
00:32:47.502 --> 00:32:48.266
So who did you react?
00:32:48.266 --> 00:32:52.982
Who did you reach out to and you're like yes yes, yes, all of this, yes, everyone.
00:32:53.223 --> 00:32:56.451
Next question that's crazy yeah, dang, that's cool man.
00:32:56.451 --> 00:33:14.919
The last thing on this topic I wanted to ask is I guess this is maybe on both sides, but do you have any advice or lessons learned as a tech recruiter if someone wants to go into the role that you do and or someone on the other side who is being hired or wants to get hired?
00:33:14.919 --> 00:33:16.502
Do you have any tips on that both ends?
00:33:16.782 --> 00:33:33.107
yes, so if someone wants to go into recruiting right now, I would recommend caveat right now, right now I would recommend them not to right now and that's purely because of how the market is, especially in tech.
00:33:33.307 --> 00:33:34.932
It's very volatile.
00:33:34.932 --> 00:33:54.753
Lots of layoffs and hiring freezes, and usually when there are hiring freezes especially back in 2021 or 2022, when robinhood had their first layoffs and hiring freezes and that kind of kick-started the mass wave of that the recruiters were always the first to go, because if there's no, if there's a hiring freeze and there's no need to hire, then there's no need for recruiters.
00:33:54.753 --> 00:33:57.963
So that's just something to understand and it's gotten better now.
00:33:57.963 --> 00:34:01.128
But at the same time, it is with the race for ai, with a lot of tech companies.
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Companies are cutting out their, I guess, least non-revenue generating businesses or organizations.
00:34:09.724 --> 00:34:21.135
Luckily, of course, recruiters are still needed for any new teams or any backfill that's created from people maybe leaving due to performance, but it is.
00:34:22.398 --> 00:34:30.362
I have spoke to a lot of my recruiter colleagues and kind of, at this point we're trying to just hold on to our jobs and we don't know when we'll receive a message.
00:34:30.362 --> 00:34:32.547
Uh, you know it'll be a last day.
00:34:32.547 --> 00:34:39.315
So if anyone is trying to get into tech recruiting now, definitely know that it is going to be hard.
00:34:39.315 --> 00:34:43.527
It's still possible, of course, but it is something that if you want stability.
00:34:43.527 --> 00:35:11.733
It might not be the best option for you right now, but maybe it will change in the future because, again, it is very market dependent and for someone who is a candidate, you know, trying to get hired, regardless of whether it's recruiting, engineering, marketing advice that I have for them is, honestly, at this point in time, it is the age of tech and online presence, online branding, is very important.
00:35:12.114 --> 00:35:17.271
I'll be honest, as a recruiter, when I do see my candidates, everyone's linking their LinkedIns.
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Nowadays it's a very normal practice and I will actually actually go on their LinkedIn, see how they present themselves on LinkedIn, of course, aside from their actual experience and see what they're even posting like what type of language do they have, what discussions and insights do they bring.
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So, if you are a candidate, just make sure that your online presence and your branding is also just very well established, because gone are the days where we are actually showing up in person to interview and making that impression solely there, like you can Google name online now and see so many links of where their presence is at.
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So just really make sure you have a strong online presence and brand.
00:35:59.778 --> 00:36:00.983
Yeah, All right, thanks for that.
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Let's pivot.
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There's so much in this next topic.
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It's very chunky, but it is balancing work and play, being obsessed with building gratitude, losing and gaining passions and healthy habits.
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I don't know if we'll touch all of that stuff.
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Okay, do you have any thoughts on how one can best achieve this whole balance with work and play?
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Any examples?
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Yeah, one can best achieve this whole balance with work and play.
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Any examples?
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Yeah, so balancing work and play is all dependent on your habits and how you approach your life and what you prioritize.
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So for me I was able to.
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It's been a challenge for me because back then, when I had more work-life balance, I was able to clock off at five and do whatever I need to do that day, whether it's my passions of bouldering, dancing, taking my dog to the park, hanging out with friends or my family.
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But of course, now that things have changed and it seems like everything is so fast and demanding things have changed and it seems like everything is so fast and demanding.
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I have less work-life balance.
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So I've been able to really kind of zero in on improving balancing work and play.
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Realistically, I don't have that much time in the day anymore to play, it's just more work.
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But because I do have, like, my things that are non-negotiables, like my like working out, spending time with my friends just to keep me sane, like it all comes to prioritization, and prioritization also then comes, as I said, with your habits and kind of breaking it down into each micro step and then kind of organizing it so I have a professional mental health coach that helps keep me accountable with.
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That, like the three things I've been needing more of is like sleep and as well as I'm building like a YouTube channel.
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So with my current heavy corporate life workload and also building something on the side, like I don't have much flexibility to, you know, be socializing with my friends or pursuing a lot of my passions, but if I do still want to throw that in, that means like heavy prioritization, skills and goal setting.
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So right now, with my coach, like I set a goal, sleep before 12 three times a week and then on those days I sleep before 12, wake up by 8 am, start my first day working on my youtube channel and then by 9, 30 or 10 am I'm working for a corporate job, which is TikTok.
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But in terms of balancing, it's all just about analyzing the current system that you have in order to work towards the goals that you want to achieve, because I actually listened to this podcast called the mindset mentor and you can set all the goals you want.
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It is a good direction to go to, but what's the most important part is the systems that you implement to work towards that and so going back into balancing work and play, it's just making sure you have a system that contributes towards achieving those goals.
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And one more thing I want to go over in this subject is his name's rob I forgot his last name from the mindset mentor, the.
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With the law of attraction, I I feel like I have a lot of goals and I try to attract it and I visualize it, but visualizing it is just not enough because in the word attraction is the word action.
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So it's all just about making sure, again, with the systems that you implement, that you take action on those and to be able to, you know, balance your work and then have downtime to play, whether that's exercising talking to friends, whatever you enjoy, okay rob dial nice, that's his name, exactly nice.
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We'll link that in the show notes.
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Yeah, yeah, that was great.
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So now on this, on your youtube channel or channels so you mentioned before you're building this k-pop news channel and now you're doing this sort of tech recruiting channel or you're building it out.
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Could you walk us through?
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There's so many ways you can go with this and we're not, we're kind of short on time, but yeah how, what is that process like, or what is so?
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What is the process of building out a youtube channel?
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I guess we can start with that yeah, I actually got a coach for it, oh cool yeah so when I was in australia I was like deep into the computer at work and I was like I need something more creative because I'm at TikTok yeah, I see creators come into office but I'm gonna ask why, but you see, you felt like you needed to create something yes, I feel like I need to create something and I just felt inspired by seeing all these creators and the content they create.
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But, of course, at TikTok, I'm the one that's behind the desk.
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So I got a coach.
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It was for, like a faceless YouTube channel program how to create a YouTube channel without actually showing your face.
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It involves, of course, hiring freelancers from like the Philippines, indonesia, brazil.
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So that's how I started off being able to balance working at TikTok and also building a YouTube channel on K-pop.
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It was K-pop.
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The K-pop YouTube channel was always my training wheels channel, because it does have a large audience, so there's more potential for larger viewership and then comments, and that's my feedback.
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I mean, I was able to monetize that in a month and a half, which was faster than I expected, but it didn't.
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The entertainment niche on youtube didn't make me as much money as I was putting into it, but my ultimate goal was to educate people who are finding jobs on how to find jobs, given my insight as a tech recruiter.
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So that's why I'm now building my tech recruiting channel that sets release at the end of the month.
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You know, just kind of those videos about integrating modern day hiring practices.
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10 things recruiters won't tell you about the recruiting process or how to write a resume with ChatGPT in eight seconds.
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So those types of videos, but the process of building is just also.
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I don't think I could do it all by myself.
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It really takes a team to do it, but it's luckily.
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With the skills I learned from TikTok and entrepreneurship, that's how I was able to navigate it.
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Nice, I like it.
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Maybe for part two, if it's in the cards, we can talk about that, because I'm so curious about like building channels and whatnot.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All right.
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So, moving on from that, you mentioned gaining passions and losing passions, and then the last thing is healthy habits.
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Which one do you want to touch on?
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Probably gaining and losing passions, since we're on that wave right now.
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And then healthy habits we're on that wave right now and then yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So what are your thoughts on gaining and losing passions?
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I get the idea of, okay, I'm going through life, trying new things, I found a passion of mine, but I guess the flip side of that.
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What do you mean by losing passions?
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Yeah, how does that apply to the?
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audience.
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So it's more so not losing passions by choice, but losing it because of the circumstances that you're in.
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Again, like my work is very demanding now and I've promoted twice, but without your promotion.
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Like I have to promote or devote more time to my role.
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So in a sense, I am very passionate about bouldering, about dancing, about hanging out with my friends, but because of now, the time constraints I have, I've had to sacrifice a lot of the time to these passions.
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So it is that's what I define as my midlife crisis, because, like I still, at heart, am, I want to pursue what I feel just makes me happy but.
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But with the system of working in a corporate job, you know trying to climb the ladder or not even trying to, but like doing it for the sake of staying in the company or making a paycheck, and you know paying all the bills Like it's, it comes with the sacrifice of having to lose that passion Again, not by choice but by force.
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So that's just something that's kind of sad.
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Yeah, I feel it.
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So it's just something that it's been on your mind.
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It's as I, as you prioritize and have have to carve out more time for these things.
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These things just fall off just by circumstance.
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Exactly, and I don't know if you watched Vibe, but the there was a set by GRV and they literally just did.
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Did they place?
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they got first.
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Okay, gotcha yeah they did a set on.
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Basically the premise was there was a worker and he was like forcing his corporate job of course not, it wasn't his passion, very evidently and they were like kind of dancing through the whole journey.
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So they used props, like, and it was really cool, but basically at the end he puts in his two week notice notice.
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The set's called two-week notice and then they like just do a dance break.
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At the end everyone's like, yeah, and then.
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So what's really cool about that?
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What I heard from my friend is that the person who was the main character actually put in his two-week notice and is now pursuing, like dance full-time oh so it's really cool how that tied into like real life.
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but after watching that set it did make me realize like really reflect on like my job and like kind of the sacrifices I had to make on that for my passions, not only just in like dance, but like bouldering and kind of my mindset with how I view things now.
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So I think I don't want to succumb to that mindset of kind of what the system perpetuates on us and that's why I do want to keep building things like YouTube channel.
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I invest in real estate to be able to buy me that freedom of time in the future to then get back to those passions.
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So it is like kind of that thing right now of things are going to get worse before they get better I'll link to that video as well.
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I have not watched it, but I've heard good things and people are posting stories, so I'll check that out, re-watching it every day, yeah nice yeah I was like I thought you were gonna say yeah, he put in his two-week notice on stage.
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Yeah, he sent the email.
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Sent the email, yeah, first place and he's like oh sorry you guys didn't play, so I'm like uh-huh.
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He's like wait, I take that back.
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I take that back, Guys, yeah, I didn't.
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Yeah, we didn't get first.
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Can I have my job back?
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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Yeah, for sure, for sure, nice, okay, this is the fun part.
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Billboard question.
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So if you could put up a sign for millions of people to see, what would it say?
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If I could put up a sign for millions of people to see, it would say it'd probably say next exit four and then insert something like really random and funny.
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I feel like it just needs some lighthearted comedy in the world now In a girl voice.
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what do you mean?
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But I want to be like.
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I want to be like yeah, exactly, I want it to be like something that's like actually like not existing, but it's like exit here for, and then everyone's exiting, but like it's not I like it.
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Yeah, self-inflicted wound, so, oh sorry.
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Hardest challenges what is one of the hardest challenges you faced in your life and what did you learn from it?
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Yes, the hardest challenge.
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I faced TLDR During my sophomore year of high school.
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My dad was flying back and forth between America and Hong Kong.
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He's also like a global businessman, and he gave me and my family the opportunity to move to Hong Kong, and our life would like really exponentially increase there, like things would just work out really well.
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I was going to move to Hong Kong and our life would like really exponentially increase there.
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Like it was, things would be would just work out really well.
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I was going to go to international school, um, so me and my mom said yes, and all my siblings are going to college at the time, so it didn't really affect them.
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Me my mom said yes, and then eventually, like he accepted that job offer in Hong Kong, and then me mom like kind of turned back and said, never mind, um, and it just affected a lot of things in our family, because now he's like in Hong Kong, my family's here in the US, and I think what that taught me, though, is to really make decisions rationally based, or rather than making emotional based decisions, because at the time, I I went to hong kong once and I had the time of my life on vacation, and that's why, at the first I was really willing to just move there, but then I didn't realize, of course, like what I'd be sacrificing here and the opportunities I'd be sacrificing here.
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I'm really thankful for my dad and I think I've landed in a very good place by staying here, but when it comes to making big decisions or any decision, like just approaching it rationally rather than emotionally, yeah, so this self-inflicted wound?
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do you have a story about something that's gone wrong in your life?
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That was your fault and you can't blame anyone because you did it to yourself?
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I'm not gonna lie, I can't think of anything right now, I think for the most part.
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I don't know if it's my mindset, but things do tend to go my way, not all.
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I love that for you yeah, I of course maybe in growing up in school I always got sent to the principal's office or sent to other teachers classrooms because I couldn't sit still, but then later on in life, got diagnosed with adhd you're like well, I don't know, why do you guys treat me like that?
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yeah, but for the most part because I guess I can't.
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Yeah, no, it's all good, yeah, no.
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I think part of that is like mindset, right, yeah, yeah.
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So the next ones, next two, might be hard for you, then what is?
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The first one is if you could redo one thing, what would you do differently?
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And then the second one is if you could give your younger self advice, what would it be?
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now, those are kind of different, you know, but okay if I could redo one thing, it would be to, um, wear my retainers after I got my braces off.
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I know that's completely like random and off like our tent or subjects that we've been talking about, but basically, after I got my braces off, I was wearing my retainers for a while.
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I went to vacation in the philippines and then, I think, like one of the helpers took it and I just didn't, I was like oh, whatever, yeah, my teeth are straight anyways, but now, like my teeth have misaligned and like I just felt I have to get braces again.
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So that's one thing I would like okay, that was the one.
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That was the one.
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And if I were to redo something, younger self advice.
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So if you give your younger self advice, any age, any time period, what would that advice be?
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oh, to my younger self.
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I was a really picky eater when I was younger and there was points where if I was really hungry and I didn't like what was in front of me, I would just choose to not eat.
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But I was like, yeah, maybe for my development that wasn't the best.
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So I would just tell my younger self, like yo like just eat it or learn to eat it.
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Yeah, I guess the whole.
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But if you relate that to kind of like life lessons, it's like sometimes there are opportunities that present itself that may not be in your best interest but you have to do it for the sake of a long-term outcome.
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I like that.
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Yeah, I guess it's hard interest, but you have to do it for the sake of a long-term outcome.
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I like that.
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Yeah, I guess it's hard, because how do you convince a little kid to think long-term?
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Exactly I feel it.
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What new belief, behavior or habit has improved your life in the last few years?
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New belief, behavior or habit.
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Okay, one behavior and mindset that has been carrying me and, honestly, was probably what was like the turning point that made me go up in life is the mindset of you might as well do it.
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And that means like when you're just doing everyday life and you have a list of things that stack up, oftentimes a lot of people will say, oh, your mind's on that and you're just like I'm just gonna do that later, but now you have to actually take that mental energy to go back and think about that and think about exactly what you have to do, when in that moment you're already thinking about what to do and how to do it.
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So it doesn't have to necessarily be a big thing, but, for example, like sometimes I'll have like clothes on the floor that I'm like, okay, I want to throw in my basket, but I'm like, okay, it's kind of far from me, but so maybe I'll just do it later.
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But like with that might as well Okay, it's right there, I'm thinking about it Might as well just get that over with.
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So with that kind of behavior and mindset, I've been able to just get a lot of things done and in the long run, I'm able to achieve a lot of my goals that way.
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It doesn't necessarily have to be like physically doing something every day in life, but even at work, like if I have something that I know won't take much mental energy and I could just do that right now and I'm thinking about it, I might as well just do it, and so it's that might as well do it.
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Mindset.
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I love that it reminds me of this book, the Five Second Rule by Mel Robbins.
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If it takes five seconds, just do it Just do it yeah.
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Right or count to five.
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Just do it, because sometimes the overthinking just is not worth it Exactly exactly.
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All right.
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Next question who would I call successful and how would I define success?
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Okay, I have two answers for this.
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Actually, I have two friends.
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One of them is named Kenneth Espiritu.
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They're actually both dancers.
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Well, both of my examples are going to be dancers.
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Kenneth Espiritu he's one of my close friends.
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He has a dance team called the Spirit 2.
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And, like last year they were on America's Got Talent he has his own TikTok and then he posts like the team's dance videos and like it reaches millions of views and he also does his own concept videos.
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And my other friend, mark Mark Tolan he we're actually kind of of in a similar place in life but he does it even greater.
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He's an engineer at Amazon but he also runs his own dance team and he's on GRV.
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Both of them are on GRV.
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Actually I'm a little GRV fanboy over here, but Mark also is very passionate about dance, seeks opportunities for himself and his own dance team does a lot of backup dancing as well.
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And the reason why I think they're one of the most successful people in my life and what I define as success is because they have an idea of what their passions are and they really just go for it.
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Because, instead of listening to kind of what people expect out of them, like growing up.
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They really just honed in on what they're good at, what they enjoy and, honestly, what the world does need again that whole concept of Ikigai and, honestly, what the world does need again that whole concept of ikigai.
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So I think success, to put it in a broader scope, is defined as being able to know what you want to do and, if you're passionate, know what you're passionate about and being able to achieve that.
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So it doesn't have to be like, oh yeah, this guy made the most money in the world.
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We often hear, like the whole example, that like just because you're rich doesn't mean you're the happiest and of course like it's always vice versa.
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But, yeah, that they're kind of like the two most successful people that I view right now and I want to be like them nice, I like it.
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Yeah.
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Next, one's kind of like a two-sided thing as well.
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If you knew you couldn't fail, what would you be trying?
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And the opposite side of that, if you knew you would fail, what would you do anyway, if I knew I couldn't fail, what would I be trying?
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and if I knew I could fail, what would I?
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if you knew you would for sure fail, what would you do anyway?
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okay, yeah, if I knew I couldn't fail, sorry, if I knew I couldn't fail, what would I try?
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If I knew I couldn't fail, what would I try?
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I'd want to fly up to space, and that's because that's like something that's so literally out of this world.
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Yeah, there's like a space mission that's going to be done by, I think, blue Origin, like Amazon space sector and Katy Perry's going on that.
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But there's been like a lot of space incidents in the past, yeah, and I'm like, oh god, that's so risky.
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But also, if that works out, like that's so cool so it's like high risk, high reward, right so I'd want to go to space?
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yeah, um, and if I knew I would fail, but I'd want to do it anyways is, oh, that's such a hard question this is a new one, because it's like what?
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Why would you want to do?
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Why do you want to do something when it sets you up for, or you know you're gonna fail?
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Do you have an example?
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oh, when it's such a two up for or you know you're going to fail, do you have?
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an example.
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Oh well, I know.
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I would be doing this podcast.
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Oh, because I think the way I interpret this question is like what do you just love doing, that you don't care?
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About the result.
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Okay, do it anyways yes.
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People Cause.
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The opposite is, people are scared of you know you would just do regardless.
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Oh okay, I guess, honestly, it is what I'm doing right now as well, like I'm creating that youtube channel to for tech recruiting, to give those opportunities to people that don't have access to mentorship or never heard of any really good quality career advice.
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So, regardless of whether I make it big in that youtube channel or whether I monetize or not, I just don't want to do that anyways, and yeah, I like it all.
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Right, we're gonna rush through these last few ones but do you have a favorite hot take or something you feel like most people won't agree with, I'll take I think now nowadays like, of course I want to tread lightly on this, but with my generation, I think it's good that we are very outspoken and we are very passionate about making changes in the world and creating those disruptions.
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But there is that extreme where I think there's sometimes where you have to take a step back and just approaching this differently, and it's not necessarily what you say, but how you deliver it.
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And if you had to take a step back and just approaching this differently, and it's not necessarily what you say but how you deliver it, and if you want to make change in this world, sometimes it is or most of the time it is going to be about how you send that message as opposed to what the message is, because you can have a good message, but if you're going to deliver it in a poor way, then it's not going to be received well by other people and people won't act on what you're trying to tell them.
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That's good advice.
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What is one of the best or most worthwhile investments you've ever made in either time, money, energy, etc.
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Worthwhile investments I made.
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It's a literal investment, but buying properties.
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I was fortunate enough during COVID, like when I started working, I lived with my parents, so I'm very privileged in that sense to be able to save money which put me in a position to put a down payment on a condo.
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I lived in that condo by myself for a few years and the value of that has grown.
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So when I do sell it, I will be able to pocket that money and then invest in other stuff.
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And then I now co-invested in the property I live in now with my parents and I have some roommates in there.
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I manage that property as well and the equity has gone up a lot.
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So real estate's a really good investment early on, especially because sometimes, like I I'll be honest like I am very cash poor, like in that sense, I am still living paycheck to paycheck.
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But when it comes to like my portfolio and knowing how much I have in my yeah, my portfolio, um, it's still growing.
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Yeah, nice, I like that and respect I think that's where I want to get to too is like properties and stuff like that.
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And you're thinking term, obviously.
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So I yeah, I think that's a good takeaway well my mom's real estate agent.
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So I'll help you, I'll set you up nice yeah, cool, all right, let's wrap it up so now.
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Yeah, there's a last few questions, but it's okay, they don't need to hear that okay, yeah, but uh yeah thank you.
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Thank you for being here.
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We'll do any questions, so gratitude shout out to my mom's, where I learned it from.
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So, lachlan, what are you grateful for?
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yes, shout out to all my family my mom, my dad, my siblings just rooting for me throughout life.
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I'm a funny story I'm actually the only non-doctor out of my siblings oh, probably the only one that's not a doctor.
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Wow, what a disappointment.
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What a disappointment.
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But they still are very proud and happy.
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Me despite what other people would think and my dog I know she won't understand her here, but she's been through my side for the past 11 years and, even though she doesn't say anything like english wise, yeah, like she's helped me become who I am and I just love her so much.
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I love it Any final ask from the audience or any final takeaways you'd like them to have from this conversation.
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Yes, takeaways, mindset's, everything.
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Whether or not you have a lot of things or you don't have a lot in your life, just acknowledge what you do have and be appreciative for it.
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I think that mindset's going to carry you to just be happy, because happiness, depending on how you define it, is always just going to be depending on what your mindset is.
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And keep an eye out for my youtube channel that's going to be released at the end of the month.
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It's called I haven't actually told anyone the name yet, but not that I'm like a celebrity or anything but it's called Level Up with Lachlan.
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I'm going to be giving really insight on getting a job as a recruiter, also giving more tips on how to find success in your life, whether it's through healthy habits, being productive, and just share my life story with you guys.
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So yeah, nice like it Is, share my life story with you guys.
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So yeah, Nice Like it is like the channel up up, it's just not posted or what is that I can link to it and everything it's going to be posted by March 30.
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How many months is how many days in this month?
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March 31st.
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It's going to be posted by the end of this month.
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I have all the videos, but I haven't actually I haven't even made the channel yet so I still need to, but all the videos are cool made.
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Yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool, yeah.
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This episode will probably up on the 14th of april oh, yours, yours will be live by before this episode, so I'll link to it cool.
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Well, on that note, where can we find you?
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If people want to check out what you're up to or reach out or anything like that?
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where can they find you.
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Yes, if you want to find me on instagram, my instagram username is lachlanma.
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That's kind of just like my lifestyle updates all there.
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If you want to connect with me on linkedin, I actually have.
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My name is lachlan cameron.
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That's my middle cameron's my middle name and I live in north county.
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So if you ever just want to connect, get to know each other, I'm always open to new friends and learning about new experiences, so just hit me up on one of those two platforms if you want to meet up, nice dope cool Lachlan.
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Thank you so much for everything.
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This was a great conversation yeah.
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I learned a lot and hopefully you had fun of course, yeah, yeah, I learned a lot through doing this as well too, so, yes, great.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to your channel and everything, so we'll stay tuned for that sweet thank you all right.
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So my final sign off.
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Thank you guys for being here.
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I would really appreciate it.
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A friendly reminder to always be kind to others, especially yourself.
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And also, you can learn something from someone if you just take the time to listen.
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Thanks for being here, thank you.