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On March 9th, 1956, CBS Radio Workshop presented its seventh broadcast,
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Report on ESP. CBS's experimental dramatic anthology turns here to
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alleged cases of extrasensory perception. Using a documentary drama format
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to consider reports of telepathy and clairvoyance, Raymond Burr, John McIntyre,
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Russell Thorson, Sam Edwards, Stacey Harris, and Lillian Biaffe are
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featured under the direction of Jack Johnstone with William Frugge producing.
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It is a format well suited to radio's ability to
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bring testimony, investigation, and dramatization together before the microphone. Now,
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back to the golden age of radio.
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Star. Wavy lines. Square.
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Seven. Seven. Three.
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Four.
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CBS Radio and its 217 affiliated stations present the CBS
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Radio Workshop, radio's distinguished series dedicated to man's imagination, the
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theater of the mind. Tonight, report on ESP, a study
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of clairvoyance, telepathy, and extrasensory perception taken from actual case records.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. John McIntyre. Extrasensory perception, clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition.
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These are the laboratory words. But in everyday life, you
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and I are faced with a multitude of strange occurrences. Item.
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A man is about to board a certain airliner. Suddenly,
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on a hunch, he turns back to the ticket window
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and changes to another flight. An hour later, the plane
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he would have been on crashes into a mountainside.
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Item.
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Item. A mother suddenly and unaccountably breaks into tears at
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the moment her son is killed a thousand miles away. Reason? Unknown. Unexplained.
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Cross.
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Square.
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Today, modern scientists are delving deeper and deeper into these mysteries.
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In the science laboratory of a great university, a girl
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sits at a table and draws cards from an automatic
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shuffling machine. On the face of each card is one
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of five possible designs. A star, a circle, a cross,
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a square, three wavy lines. Without looking at the cards,
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the girl tries to identify the designs by mental impressions,
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by clairvoyance. At another table, a man watches dice tumble
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about in a revolving cage. The man calls out a number.
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The dice are cast.
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The number is six. At still another table, an experimenter
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stares at a photograph of a tree and tries to
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project the mental image of this tree to an artist
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at a drawing board in the next room. These are
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only a few of the experiments by which modern science
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hopes to probe into these unexplained phenomena to solve one
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of life's greatest riddles. Mr. McIntyre, may I interrupt for
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just a moment?
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Certainly.
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My name is Lawrence Dobkin, Mr. Dobkin. Now, it's my
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contention most of these things can be explained.
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Properly investigated with adequate controls, science can show a perfectly
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normal logical explanation for almost any of these.
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So-called psychic phenomena. I see.
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Excuse me, Mr.
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McIntyre.
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I'm Russell Thorson, and I'd like to ask Mr. Dobkin
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a question.
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Go right ahead, Mr. Thorson.
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Mr.
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Dobkin, do you feel that science has been able to
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determine by what means certain men and women are are
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able to consult a forked stick and discover water far underground.
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You mean a water dowser?
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Yes.
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Oh, that's a superstition that goes back to the Middle Ages.
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I believe it's more than a superstition. I believe it's
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extrasensory perception.
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Oh, gentlemen, may I make a suggestion?
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Certainly, Mr.
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McIntyre. The workshop has included the case of a water
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dowser in tonight's report. For case number one, we have
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invited a gentleman who can give us an eyewitness account
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of how a water dowser works. Mr. Robert Ballin.
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To begin with, let me say that my experience is
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limited to the method used by one particular dowser, Mr.
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Henry Gross, game warden of Biddeford, Maine, probably the country's
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best-known dowser. Two books have been written about him by
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Kenneth Roberts, author of such bestsellers as Northwest Passage and
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Oliver Wiswell. As a result of reading of Mr. Roberts'
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books on Henry Gross, I decided to employ him to
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find water on my farm, which is just outside Manchester, Vermont.
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Shortly after I bought the farm, in the fall of 1954,
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the spring that supplied all my water suddenly went dry.
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Some of my neighbors said nothing could be done about it.
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Some said I should call in a geologist and try
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to drill a well. Instead, I got in touch with
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Kenneth Roberts and Mr. Henry Gross. I asked if Mr.
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Gross would be willing to come over from Maine and
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douse my farm. He said he would for a fee
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of $ 500 in expenses, and a day or so later,
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he drove up to my front door. He was a
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man of about 60, a little less than medium height, quiet,
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soft-spoken country gentleman. I invited him into the house for
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a cup of coffee, and Mr. Gross explained the conditions
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that I must agree to.
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Hmm.
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Now, Mr.
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Ballin, if I tell you where to dig your well,
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you must dig right there at that spot, and not
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maybe off a few feet north or south.
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Yes, I understand that, Mr.
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Curse.
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And don't bring in one.
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Of those big bulldozers for the digging.
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Oh, the machine's too heavy.
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It makes the earth down so tight that it'd crush
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the veins and the water off in a new direction.
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Yes, I could see that it might. All right, we
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can get started.
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Most of my farm is on a hillside with a
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good deal of natural growth. As we walked along, Mr.
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Gross pulled up a goldenrod plant and bent it into
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the shape of a letter V. He took one fork
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of the branch in each hand and held the point
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directly in front of him in a horizontal position. He
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aimed slowly to the right, then to the left. Suddenly,
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the branch dipped down.
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Yes, it looks like your old spring, the one that
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dried out, is straight up the hill.
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I didn't tell you where it was, did I?
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Didn't need to. That's where my rod says it is.
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That's why it dipped.
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In other words, if the rod points down, that indicates water? Mm-hmm.
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Or if I'm asking the rod a question, a dip
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means yes. If it doesn't dip, that's no.
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Can the rod tell how near we are to the spring?
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I'll ask it.
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How far away is the old spring? More than 100 yards?
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We waited a moment, and then the rod dipped again.
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More than 200 yards? Another pause.
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Pause.
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Then another dip.
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More than 500 yards.
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This time it was motionless. Seems to be less than 500.
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Is it 450 yards?
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Is it 460 yards? The questions continued.
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Until the rod indicated the old spring was 458 yards
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up the hill.
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We then paced off the distance and found.
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It to be 457 yards.
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Now, considering that a man's stride cannot be exact, the
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rod's accuracy was phenomenal.
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You know why this string went dry?
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It was off on a tributary, and this long gout
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passed it out.
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You think the main vein is still flowing?
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Mm-hmm.
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Just a question of finding it.
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We worked our way down the slope until the divining
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rod dipped again. Then Mr. Gross began walking back and
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forth and asking the rod questions.
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Is it fine?
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Finally, we had worked ourselves almost up to my back door.
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And then Mr. Gross laid the rod aside.
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Mr.
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Ballin, you've got a good vein. It comes down from
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the top of that hill. It's about 20 feet wide.
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The deepest part is 7 feet. And behind your house,
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it rises to within 4 feet of the surface.
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Huh?
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Now, this is the place to dig. You'll find it's
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excellent drinking water.
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Fine.
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It's only four feet. I can dig it myself.
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Sure.
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Be good exercise.
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Well, Mr. Gross, two or three times while you were working,
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you seemed to break into perspiration and tremble.
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Mm-hmm. It happens now and then. It takes a little
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out of you when you feel the water.
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You say feel?
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Well, that's the only way I can describe it.
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Well, then you must be able to find the water
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without using a divining rod. I do sometimes, but the
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rod is a help.
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Tell me, do you think other dowsers feel water the
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same way you do?
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I can't say, but I do know that most of
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us who are outdoor folks were at home in the
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woods and fields.
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I think that's important, very important.
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I followed Mr. Gross's instructions and started digging in the
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spot that he had indicated. The top earth was dry
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and caked, but at about 18 inches the soil was damp.
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At two feet it was moist, at three feet water
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seeped into the hole. Far as we could tell, the
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water vein was exactly at the depth that Mr. Gross
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had predicted.
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And now, I'd like to present in person the gentleman
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who participated in this remarkable phenomenon. Mr. Robert W. Ballin,
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a vice president of the world's largest advertising agency, the J.
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Walter Thompson Company. Mr.
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Ballin.
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Thank you, Mr.
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McIntyre.
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Would you care to make any comments on this case?
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No, I don't think so, except to say I realize
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that my experience with Mr. Henry Gross was quite impossible,
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except for one thing. It actually happened through no other
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device than one man's unusual powers.
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Thank you, Mr. Bellen. And you might be interested to
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know that in preparing this program, the workshop has inquired
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as to Mr. Henry Gross's recent activities as a water dowser.
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He has been employed by the city of Fredericksburg, Texas...
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by landowners on the island of St. Croix in the
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Virgin Islands, by such firms as Bristol Myers Chemical Laboratories,
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the A.C. Lawrence Leather Company, a subsidiary of Swifton Company,
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by two large electronic factories in New Jersey, and by
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Canada's largest munitions plant. Excuse me, Mr. McIntyre, may I
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just make a comment? Certainly, Mr. Dobkin. Thank you. Now,
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science has investigated water dowsing.
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It appears that when that rod twists and dips in
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the dowser's hands, well, that's actually caused by an unconscious
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muscular action.
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Now, if that's correct, there's no mystery about it. But
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there is.
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There most certainly is.
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In what way, Mr.
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Thornton?
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Well, even if the dowser should control the rod by
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this unconscious muscular action, what is it that affects his muscles?
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If the dowser has some strange affinity for water, how
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does he feel it?
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And how is it that Mr.
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Gross, over a flowing vein of water, can hold two
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dowsing rods, each slightly off-center, and have one rod work
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frontward and the other backward. Muscles can't do that.
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Well, but now you're getting off into the supernatural. The supernatural,
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or the natural, in a way not yet understood by science.
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In every era since the age of ice and of
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the mastodon, man has believed in the miraculous. He turned
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to the witch doctors, the soothsayers... to the astrologers, the magicians,
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to the frauds and the cunning cheats. Again and again
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his faith was betrayed, and yet he believed. He believed
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because there was something, something that was beyond his knowledge.
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In the Bible there are miracles. Belshazzar feasted with a
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thousand nobles, and a hand appeared and wrote on the wall, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Eupharsin.
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And in that night was Belshazzar, the king of the Chaldeans, slain.
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Pharaoh dreamed a dream of seven fat years and seven
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lean years. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, slept and saw a
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vision of himself humbled as unto the beasts of the field.
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What are these dreams, these visions?
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To be exact, sir, they're phenomena that come under the
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heading of precognition. That is to say, the knowing of
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an event before it actually happens.
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Well, now, just a minute.
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Yes, Mr.
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Donovan.
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At times, you know, science finds it difficult to accept
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biblical stories as literal fact. They are very effective, yes,
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as literature. But we can't possibly prove that these things
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actually did occur.
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Nor can we prove that they did not, sir.
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Yes, well, all right, now we're quibbling.
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How about some modern examples?
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Would you accept them? That depends on the quality of
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the evidence.
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We all know that certain people are given to telling
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some very remarkable things, which are either pure imagination or
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events that have been poorly observed and wrongly interpreted.
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Mr.
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Dobkin, I doubt if you would charge fraud or mistake
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in the two cases I'm proposing.
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They're both a matter of public record.
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Mr.
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McIntyre, would you please?
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With pleasure. Case number two, which might be called precognition.
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The year was 1858. The Mississippi Riverboat, Pennsylvania, was laying
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over at St.
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Louis.
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Among the crew were Henry Clemens and his older brother Sam,
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Samuel Clemens, who would one day write his way to
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fame under the pen name of Mark Twain. While the
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steamboat loaded cargo, Sam went ashore to stay overnight at
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the home of his sister, Pamela. Early the following morning,
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Pamela was awakened by a noise downstairs and a voice. Henry! Henry!
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Pamela reached for her rope and hurried downstairs.
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Henry!
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She entered the sitting room and found her brother Samuel
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staring wildly about. Sam, what are you doing up at
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this hour?
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It seems so, so real.
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What?
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I was so sure of it, I jumped out of
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bed and came down to look at him.
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Sam.
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When he wasn't here, I thought they'd moved him.
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Who, Sam? Moved who? Henry.
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He was dead.
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Oh, Sam, you were just having another one of your nightmares.
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It was as real as you are, Pamela.
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I saw Henry stretched out here in this sitting room.
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He was in a metal coffin.
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There was a bouquet on his chest.
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White flowers.
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All white.
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Except for one red rose in the center.
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It was so vivid.
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Sam, it was just a dream.
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Yes.
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A few weeks later, on June 13th, 60 miles below Memphis,
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the boilers of the steamboat Pennsylvania exploded. Among the 160
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dead was Henry Clement. In a Memphis warehouse, the victims
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were laid out in a long line of wooden coffins.
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There was but one metal coffin. Samuel Clemens stood beside
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it and gazed down at his brother's body. On the
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chest was a bouquet of white flowers, all white, except
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for one red rose in the center. Case number three.
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Seven years later, in the second week of April, 1865,
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Another man dreamed a dream.
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Afterward, he told it to his wife and to his
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best friend.
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There seemed to be a death-like stillness about me. Then
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I heard subdued sobs, as if a number of people
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were weeping. I thought I left my bed and wandered downstairs.
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I went from room to room, No living person was
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in sight, but the same mournful sounds of distress met
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me as I passed along. I was both puzzled and alarmed.
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I kept on until I arrived at the east room.
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There before me was a cattle falc on which rested
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a corpse wrapped in funeral vestments.
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Around it a.
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Throng of people, some gazing mournfully upon the corpse, others
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weeping pitifully. I asked one of the soldiers there, who
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is dead in the White House? The president, he said,
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he was killed by an assassin.
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That same week, in April, the man who dreamed that dream,
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Abraham Lincoln, attended a play at Ford's Theatre. Later, his
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body lay in state in the East Room.
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Yes.
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Well, gentlemen?
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Well, first I'd like to ask Mr. Dabkin if he
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questions the validity of those two dreams.
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No, no, Mr. Thorson.
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I accept them as correct statements of actual events.
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Thank you.
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But now, tell me, have you never had a dream
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of dying or falling downstairs... Being an auto accident? Oh,
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I imagine I have, yes. I know I have.
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Well, let's suppose that everybody in the United States has
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had at least one dream of.
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Accident or disaster. That's 165 million dreams.
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Now, the simple law of averages guarantees that some of
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those dreams will come true.
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I think this is a good time to quote Dr.
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Sigmund Freud.
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He said, if one regards oneself as a skeptic... It
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is well from time to time to be skeptical about
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one's skepticism. And on clairvoyant dreams, he said, Just a minute, Mr. McIntyre,
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would you oblige me again?
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Certainly. In Vienna in 1925, Dr. Sigmund Freud, the great
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pioneer in the science of psychoanalysis, had this to say.
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If there are such things as telepathic messages, the possibility
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cannot be dismissed of their reaching someone during sleep. The
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further possibility arises that telepathic messages received in the course
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of the day may only be dealt with during a
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dream of the following night.
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I hope you paid particular attention to that last part, Mr.
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Dodkin.
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There is a possibility that telepathic messages might come to
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a person only in a dream.
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Yes, yes, I got that point.
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All right.
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Doesn't that suggest something to you? At the very time
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of President Lincoln's dream, John Wilkes Booth was planning his assassination.
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Using Freud's theory, Lincoln might have picked up Booth's murderous
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thoughts by telepathy.
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Therefore, the dream.
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Well, it's a startling idea, certainly, but again, there's.
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No possible proof. The world is filled with things difficult
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to prove. Their mere existences are proof. We scientists have
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spent centuries studying the animal world. And what do we
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come up with?
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Mystery.
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Item.
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The homing pigeon.
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The homing pigeon can find its way back to its
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home loft over distances up to 100 miles. In some cases,
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the distance is approached 1,000 miles. Means by which the
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bird determines latitude, longitude, curvature of the earth are known.
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Item, household pets.
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Dogs and cats have been separated from their owner and
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have returned on foot over distances of many hundreds of miles. Bobby,
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a collie, travels almost 2,000 miles between the states of
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Indiana and Oregon.
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Means of determining direction... Unknown.
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Item, the European eel.
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The European eel swims from inland rivers into the Atlantic,
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makes its way 2 000 miles to a deep off
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the west indies there it spawns and.
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Dies the baby eels born off the west.
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Indies return across the atlantic and ascend the same rivers
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from which their parents had come years before method of
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finding their way unknown.
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Well, this is all very interesting, Mr.
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Thorson, but these are things that we call instinct.
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Yes, and what is instinct? Can science explain it?
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Well, we're investigating it. And we still don't know. I
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say that instinct includes clairvoyance and telepathy at work.
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At an animal level. Yes, but that is simply argument.
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Mr. McIntyre, may we have the case of Lady the
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Wonder Horse?
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Certainly. Case number four. An example of clairvoyance, as told
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by Mr. Stuart Wyatt.
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Well, it was back in the fall of 1950, late October.
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My wife Nancy and our 12-year-old boy Billy and I
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went up to spend a weekend at our mountain cabin.
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This was back in eastern Tennessee on the shore of
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a small lake.
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Late Saturday afternoon, Billy went.
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Out in the sailboat.
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I told him not to because it looked like.
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There was a storm blowing up, but, well, you know
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how kids are.
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Anyway, the wind kept getting stronger and stronger.
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Nancy and I got worried. We saw Billy trying to
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take in sail, but he couldn't do.
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It fast enough. Then the mast broke and the boat capsized.
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I swam out to the wreckage, but there was no
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sign of Billy.
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So we telephoned the nearest forest ranger station and they
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sent over a couple of men with a search boat.
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They couldn't find anything either. That night in the pouring.
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Rain, we had over 200 volunteers combing the woods and
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the shore.
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They even brought in bloodhounds.
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After two days of this, the Chief Ranger Anderson was
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pretty discouraged.
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Well, we've dragged the lake three times, Mr. Wyatt, and
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still nothing.
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I'm afraid the body must be caught under the ledge
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or something where our equipment can't reach it.
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Looks like there's nothing more we can do.
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I told that to my wife. It's a funny thing, Mr. McIntyre.
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She just suddenly stopped crying. She said, all right, now
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it's time.
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To try that horse she'd read about. It's supposed to
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be able to find missing children, and its name was
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Lady McIntyre. I told her it was ridiculous, but, well,
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we'd tried everything else.
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The horse which Mrs. Wyatt had read about is Lady,
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owned by Mrs.
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C.D.
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Fonda of Richmond, Virginia.
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Mr.
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And Mrs.
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Wyatt found the 25-year-old mare waiting for them in her barn.
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In front of her was a strange contrivance of levers
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and wooden blocks with letters of the alphabet and numbers
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running from one to ten. Following instructions, the Wyatts asked
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the lady a test question. Lady, tell me, what was
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my maiden name? The horse moved toward one of the levers.
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She pressed her nose against the lever and a block
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with the letter L came into view. L. E. E.
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That's right, Lee, Nancy Lee.
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Oh, this is impossible. Nobody around here knows your maiden name.
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Lady does.
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Well... Lady, is my son Billy alive? Lady? A. M. I.
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Lady, Lady, where is Billy?
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Lady, where is Billy?
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Lady? A, B, C.
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He's in a cave.
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Mr. and Mrs.
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Wyatt telephoned from Richmond to Chief Ranger Anderson back in Tennessee.
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They told him to search for a cave. The following
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is from the official report of Ranger Anderson.
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The Wyatt boy was found in a small cave approximately
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one and one quarter miles northeast of the lake.
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He was unconscious. Dr.
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Warner gave him a blood transfusion and he was removed
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to the hospital. When I was able to question him,
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the white boy stated these circumstances. After the sailboat capsized
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and sank, he swam to the nearest shore. While attempting
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to return home through the woods, he stumbled into an
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animal trap. The trap broke his left leg and he
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began to lose blood. In a state of fright and confusion...
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He then began to crawl in a direction away from
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the lake. He discovered the cave and decided to stay
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there until the rainstorm was over. Sometime during the night,
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he lost consciousness. He remembered nothing more until reviving in
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the hospital. He was discharged therefrom on October 28th, fully recovered.
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Cases similar to that of the Wyatt boy in which
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the horse lady has guided searches to the recovery of
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the bodies of missing children may be read in Newsweek magazine.
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The issues of October 25th, 1948, December 22nd, 1952, and
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February 16th, 1953. In Time magazine, issue of December 15th, 1952.
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In Life magazine, issue of December 22nd, 1952. And in
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Popular Mechanics magazine, issue of March, 1952. Yes, the dramatization
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you just heard was a composite of several such actual cases.
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Item.
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Emanuel Swedenborg.
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Emanuel Swedenborg, scientist and philosopher in September 1759, saw in
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a waking dream a disastrous fire which was burning at
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that very moment in the city of Stockholm, 50 miles away.
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He specified the houses which were then in flames and
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gave the correct hour at which the fire was extinguished.
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Item.
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Leo Tolstoy.
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In 1910, Count Leo Tolstoy, famous author, sent a message
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to the Tsar of Russia, the German Kaiser, and the
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King of England, in which he described his dream of
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World War I, four years before it occurred. He stated
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when the war would begin, where it would be, outlined
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its horrors, foresaw the League of Nations.
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And now, gentlemen, any questions? You, Mr.
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Thorson?
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I rest my case.
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You, Mr. Doutkin? I rest my case. Weighty lines. Star.
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Circle.
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A girl sits at a table and draws cards from
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an automatic shuffling machine.
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Circle.
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By the mathematical laws of chance, she should correctly identify,
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without looking at the cards, five out.
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Of every 25 drawn.
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Cross.
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This girl has scored as high as 9 and 15
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cards consecutively correct.
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Star.
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In one such experiment, the score has exceeded the laws
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of chance by odds of 400,000 to 1. Star. In
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still other cases, the odds have risen to the astronomical
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ratio of 1 trillion and 1 quadrillion to 1. Six.
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In laboratories and universities throughout the United States and Europe
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and South Africa, the research goes on. New light is
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being shed on the phenomena of telepathy and clairvoyance. The
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day may be not far distant when science will establish
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the principles of extrasensory perception and its operation as firmly
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as the laws which govern nuclear fission. The ideas advanced
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by Professor Sigmund Freud and by other investigators may yet
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be proven fact. That long before man's first crude stammering,
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long before he first chiseled his ideographs into stone, man
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communicated to fellow man through thought. Tonight, the CBS Radio
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Workshop has presented Report on ESP, directed by Jack Johnstone.
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Research and script by Leonard St. Clair. John McIntyre was
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the narrator. The cast included Lucille Meredith, Lillian Biaffe, Don Diamond,
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Lawrence Dobkin, Russell Thorson, Stacey Harris, Robert Ballin, Forrest Lewis,
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Sam Edwards, Raymond Burr, and Bert Holland. Original music for
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tonight's program was composed and conducted by Amarigo Marino, with
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vocal by Norma Zimmer. The CBS Radio Workshop is produced
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in Hollywood by William Froog. This is Hugh Douglas inviting
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you to join us again next week when we present
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Cops and Robbers, a unique experiment in which real-life detectives
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use actual police methods to solve a fictional crime. Presented
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on the CBS Radio Workshop. On the New York Philharmonic
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Symphony broadcast, presented by most of these same stations this Sunday,
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you'll hear the second of two all-Mozart programs. Bruno Walter
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will conduct the Mozart Symphony No. 25 in G major,
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and then will present the rarely performed Mozart Requiem. That's
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this Sunday on CBS Radio.
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Star.
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Star.
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Star.
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Stay tuned for five minutes of CBS News to be
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followed on most of these stations by The Jack Carson Show. Five.
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Five. Eleven.
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Nine. Nine.
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Thank you.
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CBS Radio Workshop has concluded. Report on ESP. Good night,
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and thank you for joining us for this broadcast.
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On March 9th, 1956, CBS Radio Workshop presented its seventh broadcast,
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Report on ESP. CBS's experimental dramatic anthology turns here to
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alleged cases of extrasensory perception. Using a documentary drama format
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to consider reports of telepathy and clairvoyance, Raymond Burr, John McIntyre,
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Russell Thorson, Sam Edwards, Stacey Harris, and Lillian Biaffe are
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featured under the direction of Jack Johnstone with William Frugge producing.
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It is a format well suited to radio's ability to
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bring testimony, investigation, and dramatization together before the microphone. Now,
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back to the golden age of radio.
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Star. Wavy lines. Square.
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Seven. Seven. Three.
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CBS Radio and its 217 affiliated stations present the CBS
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Radio Workshop, radio's distinguished series dedicated to man's imagination, the
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theater of the mind. Tonight, report on ESP, a study
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of clairvoyance, telepathy, and extrasensory perception taken from actual case records.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. John McIntyre. Extrasensory perception, clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition.
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These are the laboratory words. But in everyday life, you
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and I are faced with a multitude of strange occurrences. Item.
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A man is about to board a certain airliner. Suddenly,
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on a hunch, he turns back to the ticket window
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and changes to another flight. An hour later, the plane
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he would have been on crashes into a mountainside.
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Item.
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Item. A mother suddenly and unaccountably breaks into tears at
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the moment her son is killed a thousand miles away. Reason? Unknown. Unexplained.
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Today, modern scientists are delving deeper and deeper into these mysteries.
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In the science laboratory of a great university, a girl
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sits at a table and draws cards from an automatic
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shuffling machine. On the face of each card is one
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of five possible designs. A star, a circle, a cross,
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a square, three wavy lines. Without looking at the cards,
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the girl tries to identify the designs by mental impressions,
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by clairvoyance. At another table, a man watches dice tumble
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about in a revolving cage. The man calls out a number.
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The dice are cast.
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The number is six. At still another table, an experimenter
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stares at a photograph of a tree and tries to
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project the mental image of this tree to an artist
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at a drawing board in the next room. These are
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only a few of the experiments by which modern science
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hopes to probe into these unexplained phenomena to solve one
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of life's greatest riddles. Mr. McIntyre, may I interrupt for
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just a moment?
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Certainly.
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My name is Lawrence Dobkin, Mr. Dobkin. Now, it's my
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contention most of these things can be explained.
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Properly investigated with adequate controls, science can show a perfectly
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normal logical explanation for almost any of these.
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So-called psychic phenomena. I see.
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Excuse me, Mr.
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McIntyre.
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I'm Russell Thorson, and I'd like to ask Mr. Dobkin
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a question.
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Go right ahead, Mr. Thorson.
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Mr.
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Dobkin, do you feel that science has been able to
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determine by what means certain men and women are are
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able to consult a forked stick and discover water far underground.
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You mean a water dowser?
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Yes.
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Oh, that's a superstition that goes back to the Middle Ages.
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I believe it's more than a superstition. I believe it's
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extrasensory perception.
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Oh, gentlemen, may I make a suggestion?
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Certainly, Mr.
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McIntyre. The workshop has included the case of a water
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dowser in tonight's report. For case number one, we have
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invited a gentleman who can give us an eyewitness account
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of how a water dowser works. Mr. Robert Ballin.
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To begin with, let me say that my experience is
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limited to the method used by one particular dowser, Mr.
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Henry Gross, game warden of Biddeford, Maine, probably the country's
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best-known dowser. Two books have been written about him by
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Kenneth Roberts, author of such bestsellers as Northwest Passage and
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Oliver Wiswell. As a result of reading of Mr. Roberts'
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books on Henry Gross, I decided to employ him to
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find water on my farm, which is just outside Manchester, Vermont.
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Shortly after I bought the farm, in the fall of 1954,
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the spring that supplied all my water suddenly went dry.
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Some of my neighbors said nothing could be done about it.
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to drill a well. Instead, I got in touch with
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Kenneth Roberts and Mr. Henry Gross. I asked if Mr.
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Gross would be willing to come over from Maine and
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douse my farm. He said he would for a fee
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of $ 500 in expenses, and a day or so later,
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he drove up to my front door. He was a
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man of about 60, a little less than medium height, quiet,
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soft-spoken country gentleman. I invited him into the house for
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a cup of coffee, and Mr. Gross explained the conditions
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that I must agree to.
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Hmm.
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Now, Mr.
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Ballin, if I tell you where to dig your well,
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you must dig right there at that spot, and not
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maybe off a few feet north or south.
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Yes, I understand that, Mr.
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Curse.
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And don't bring in one.
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Of those big bulldozers for the digging.
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Oh, the machine's too heavy.
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It makes the earth down so tight that it'd crush
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the veins and the water off in a new direction.
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Yes, I could see that it might. All right, we
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can get started.
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Most of my farm is on a hillside with a
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good deal of natural growth. As we walked along, Mr.
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Gross pulled up a goldenrod plant and bent it into
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the shape of a letter V. He took one fork
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of the branch in each hand and held the point
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directly in front of him in a horizontal position. He
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aimed slowly to the right, then to the left. Suddenly,
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the branch dipped down.
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Yes, it looks like your old spring, the one that
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dried out, is straight up the hill.
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I didn't tell you where it was, did I?
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Didn't need to. That's where my rod says it is.
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That's why it dipped.
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In other words, if the rod points down, that indicates water? Mm-hmm.
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Or if I'm asking the rod a question, a dip
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means yes. If it doesn't dip, that's no.
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Can the rod tell how near we are to the spring?
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I'll ask it.
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How far away is the old spring? More than 100 yards?
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We waited a moment, and then the rod dipped again.
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More than 200 yards? Another pause.
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Pause.
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Then another dip.
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More than 500 yards.
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This time it was motionless. Seems to be less than 500.
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Is it 450 yards?
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Is it 460 yards? The questions continued.
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Until the rod indicated the old spring was 458 yards
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up the hill.
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We then paced off the distance and found.
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It to be 457 yards.
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rod's accuracy was phenomenal.
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You know why this string went dry?
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It was off on a tributary, and this long gout
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passed it out.
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You think the main vein is still flowing?
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Mm-hmm.
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Just a question of finding it.
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We worked our way down the slope until the divining
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rod dipped again. Then Mr. Gross began walking back and
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forth and asking the rod questions.
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Is it fine?
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Finally, we had worked ourselves almost up to my back door.
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And then Mr. Gross laid the rod aside.
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Mr.
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Ballin, you've got a good vein. It comes down from
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the top of that hill. It's about 20 feet wide.
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The deepest part is 7 feet. And behind your house,
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it rises to within 4 feet of the surface.
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Huh?
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Now, this is the place to dig. You'll find it's
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excellent drinking water.
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Fine.
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It's only four feet. I can dig it myself.
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Sure.
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Be good exercise.
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Well, Mr. Gross, two or three times while you were working,
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you seemed to break into perspiration and tremble.
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Mm-hmm. It happens now and then. It takes a little
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out of you when you feel the water.
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You say feel?
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Well, that's the only way I can describe it.
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Well, then you must be able to find the water
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without using a divining rod. I do sometimes, but the
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rod is a help.
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Tell me, do you think other dowsers feel water the
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same way you do?
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I can't say, but I do know that most of
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us who are outdoor folks were at home in the
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woods and fields.
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I think that's important, very important.
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I followed Mr. Gross's instructions and started digging in the
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spot that he had indicated. The top earth was dry
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and caked, but at about 18 inches the soil was damp.
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At two feet it was moist, at three feet water
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seeped into the hole. Far as we could tell, the
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water vein was exactly at the depth that Mr. Gross
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had predicted.
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And now, I'd like to present in person the gentleman
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who participated in this remarkable phenomenon. Mr. Robert W. Ballin,
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a vice president of the world's largest advertising agency, the J.
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Walter Thompson Company. Mr.
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Ballin.
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Thank you, Mr.
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McIntyre.
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Would you care to make any comments on this case?
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No, I don't think so, except to say I realize
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that my experience with Mr. Henry Gross was quite impossible,
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except for one thing. It actually happened through no other
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device than one man's unusual powers.
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Thank you, Mr. Bellen. And you might be interested to
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know that in preparing this program, the workshop has inquired
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as to Mr. Henry Gross's recent activities as a water dowser.
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He has been employed by the city of Fredericksburg, Texas...
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by landowners on the island of St. Croix in the
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Virgin Islands, by such firms as Bristol Myers Chemical Laboratories,
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the A.C. Lawrence Leather Company, a subsidiary of Swifton Company,
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by two large electronic factories in New Jersey, and by
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Canada's largest munitions plant. Excuse me, Mr. McIntyre, may I
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just make a comment? Certainly, Mr. Dobkin. Thank you. Now,
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science has investigated water dowsing.
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It appears that when that rod twists and dips in
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the dowser's hands, well, that's actually caused by an unconscious
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muscular action.
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Now, if that's correct, there's no mystery about it. But
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there is.
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There most certainly is.
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In what way, Mr.
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Thornton?
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Well, even if the dowser should control the rod by
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this unconscious muscular action, what is it that affects his muscles?
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If the dowser has some strange affinity for water, how
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does he feel it?
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And how is it that Mr.
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Gross, over a flowing vein of water, can hold two
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dowsing rods, each slightly off-center, and have one rod work
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frontward and the other backward. Muscles can't do that.
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Well, but now you're getting off into the supernatural. The supernatural,
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or the natural, in a way not yet understood by science.
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In every era since the age of ice and of
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the mastodon, man has believed in the miraculous. He turned
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to the witch doctors, the soothsayers... to the astrologers, the magicians,
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to the frauds and the cunning cheats. Again and again
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his faith was betrayed, and yet he believed. He believed
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because there was something, something that was beyond his knowledge.
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In the Bible there are miracles. Belshazzar feasted with a
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thousand nobles, and a hand appeared and wrote on the wall, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Eupharsin.
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And in that night was Belshazzar, the king of the Chaldeans, slain.
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Pharaoh dreamed a dream of seven fat years and seven
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lean years. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, slept and saw a
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vision of himself humbled as unto the beasts of the field.
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What are these dreams, these visions?
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To be exact, sir, they're phenomena that come under the
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heading of precognition. That is to say, the knowing of
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an event before it actually happens.
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Well, now, just a minute.
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Yes, Mr.
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Donovan.
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At times, you know, science finds it difficult to accept
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biblical stories as literal fact. They are very effective, yes,
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as literature. But we can't possibly prove that these things
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actually did occur.
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Nor can we prove that they did not, sir.
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Yes, well, all right, now we're quibbling.
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How about some modern examples?
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Would you accept them? That depends on the quality of
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the evidence.
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We all know that certain people are given to telling
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some very remarkable things, which are either pure imagination or
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events that have been poorly observed and wrongly interpreted.
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Mr.
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Dobkin, I doubt if you would charge fraud or mistake
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in the two cases I'm proposing.
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They're both a matter of public record.
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Mr.
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McIntyre, would you please?
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With pleasure. Case number two, which might be called precognition.
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The year was 1858. The Mississippi Riverboat, Pennsylvania, was laying
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over at St.
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Louis.
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Among the crew were Henry Clemens and his older brother Sam,
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Samuel Clemens, who would one day write his way to
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fame under the pen name of Mark Twain. While the
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steamboat loaded cargo, Sam went ashore to stay overnight at
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the home of his sister, Pamela. Early the following morning,
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Pamela was awakened by a noise downstairs and a voice. Henry! Henry!
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Pamela reached for her rope and hurried downstairs.
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Henry!
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She entered the sitting room and found her brother Samuel
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staring wildly about. Sam, what are you doing up at
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this hour?
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It seems so, so real.
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What?
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I was so sure of it, I jumped out of
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bed and came down to look at him.
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Sam.
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When he wasn't here, I thought they'd moved him.
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Who, Sam? Moved who? Henry.
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He was dead.
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Oh, Sam, you were just having another one of your nightmares.
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It was as real as you are, Pamela.
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I saw Henry stretched out here in this sitting room.
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He was in a metal coffin.
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There was a bouquet on his chest.
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White flowers.
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All white.
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Except for one red rose in the center.
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It was so vivid.
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Sam, it was just a dream.
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Yes.
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A few weeks later, on June 13th, 60 miles below Memphis,
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the boilers of the steamboat Pennsylvania exploded. Among the 160
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dead was Henry Clement. In a Memphis warehouse, the victims
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were laid out in a long line of wooden coffins.
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There was but one metal coffin. Samuel Clemens stood beside
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it and gazed down at his brother's body. On the
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chest was a bouquet of white flowers, all white, except
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for one red rose in the center. Case number three.
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Seven years later, in the second week of April, 1865,
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Another man dreamed a dream.
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Afterward, he told it to his wife and to his
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best friend.
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There seemed to be a death-like stillness about me. Then
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I heard subdued sobs, as if a number of people
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were weeping. I thought I left my bed and wandered downstairs.
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I went from room to room, No living person was
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in sight, but the same mournful sounds of distress met
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me as I passed along. I was both puzzled and alarmed.
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I kept on until I arrived at the east room.
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There before me was a cattle falc on which rested
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a corpse wrapped in funeral vestments.
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Around it a.
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Throng of people, some gazing mournfully upon the corpse, others
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weeping pitifully. I asked one of the soldiers there, who
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is dead in the White House? The president, he said,
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he was killed by an assassin.
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That same week, in April, the man who dreamed that dream,
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Abraham Lincoln, attended a play at Ford's Theatre. Later, his
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body lay in state in the East Room.
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Yes.
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Well, gentlemen?
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Well, first I'd like to ask Mr. Dabkin if he
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questions the validity of those two dreams.
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No, no, Mr. Thorson.
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I accept them as correct statements of actual events.
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Thank you.
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But now, tell me, have you never had a dream
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of dying or falling downstairs... Being an auto accident? Oh,
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I imagine I have, yes. I know I have.
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Well, let's suppose that everybody in the United States has
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had at least one dream of.
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Accident or disaster. That's 165 million dreams.
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Now, the simple law of averages guarantees that some of
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those dreams will come true.
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I think this is a good time to quote Dr.
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Sigmund Freud.
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He said, if one regards oneself as a skeptic... It
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is well from time to time to be skeptical about
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one's skepticism. And on clairvoyant dreams, he said, Just a minute, Mr. McIntyre,
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would you oblige me again?
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Certainly. In Vienna in 1925, Dr. Sigmund Freud, the great
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pioneer in the science of psychoanalysis, had this to say.
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If there are such things as telepathic messages, the possibility
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cannot be dismissed of their reaching someone during sleep. The
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further possibility arises that telepathic messages received in the course
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of the day may only be dealt with during a
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dream of the following night.
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I hope you paid particular attention to that last part, Mr.
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Dodkin.
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There is a possibility that telepathic messages might come to
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a person only in a dream.
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Yes, yes, I got that point.
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All right.
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Doesn't that suggest something to you? At the very time
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of President Lincoln's dream, John Wilkes Booth was planning his assassination.
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Using Freud's theory, Lincoln might have picked up Booth's murderous
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thoughts by telepathy.
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Therefore, the dream.
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Well, it's a startling idea, certainly, but again, there's.
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No possible proof. The world is filled with things difficult
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to prove. Their mere existences are proof. We scientists have
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spent centuries studying the animal world. And what do we
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come up with?
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Mystery.
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Item.
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The homing pigeon.
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The homing pigeon can find its way back to its
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home loft over distances up to 100 miles. In some cases,
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the distance is approached 1,000 miles. Means by which the
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bird determines latitude, longitude, curvature of the earth are known.
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Item, household pets.
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Dogs and cats have been separated from their owner and
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have returned on foot over distances of many hundreds of miles. Bobby,
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a collie, travels almost 2,000 miles between the states of
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Indiana and Oregon.
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Means of determining direction... Unknown.
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Item, the European eel.
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The European eel swims from inland rivers into the Atlantic,
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makes its way 2 000 miles to a deep off
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the west indies there it spawns and.
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Dies the baby eels born off the west.
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Indies return across the atlantic and ascend the same rivers
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from which their parents had come years before method of
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finding their way unknown.
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Well, this is all very interesting, Mr.
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Thorson, but these are things that we call instinct.
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Yes, and what is instinct? Can science explain it?
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Well, we're investigating it. And we still don't know. I
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say that instinct includes clairvoyance and telepathy at work.
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At an animal level. Yes, but that is simply argument.
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Mr. McIntyre, may we have the case of Lady the
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Wonder Horse?
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Certainly. Case number four. An example of clairvoyance, as told
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by Mr. Stuart Wyatt.
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Well, it was back in the fall of 1950, late October.
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My wife Nancy and our 12-year-old boy Billy and I
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went up to spend a weekend at our mountain cabin.
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This was back in eastern Tennessee on the shore of
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a small lake.
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Late Saturday afternoon, Billy went.
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Out in the sailboat.
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I told him not to because it looked like.
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There was a storm blowing up, but, well, you know
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how kids are.
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Anyway, the wind kept getting stronger and stronger.
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Nancy and I got worried. We saw Billy trying to
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take in sail, but he couldn't do.
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It fast enough. Then the mast broke and the boat capsized.
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I swam out to the wreckage, but there was no
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sign of Billy.
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So we telephoned the nearest forest ranger station and they
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sent over a couple of men with a search boat.
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They couldn't find anything either. That night in the pouring.
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Rain, we had over 200 volunteers combing the woods and
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the shore.
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They even brought in bloodhounds.
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After two days of this, the Chief Ranger Anderson was
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pretty discouraged.
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Well, we've dragged the lake three times, Mr. Wyatt, and
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still nothing.
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I'm afraid the body must be caught under the ledge
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or something where our equipment can't reach it.
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Looks like there's nothing more we can do.
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I told that to my wife. It's a funny thing, Mr. McIntyre.
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She just suddenly stopped crying. She said, all right, now
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it's time.
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To try that horse she'd read about. It's supposed to
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be able to find missing children, and its name was
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Lady McIntyre. I told her it was ridiculous, but, well,
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we'd tried everything else.
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The horse which Mrs. Wyatt had read about is Lady,
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owned by Mrs.
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C.D.
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Fonda of Richmond, Virginia.
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Mr.
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And Mrs.
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Wyatt found the 25-year-old mare waiting for them in her barn.
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In front of her was a strange contrivance of levers
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and wooden blocks with letters of the alphabet and numbers
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running from one to ten. Following instructions, the Wyatts asked
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the lady a test question. Lady, tell me, what was
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my maiden name? The horse moved toward one of the levers.
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She pressed her nose against the lever and a block
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with the letter L came into view. L. E. E.
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That's right, Lee, Nancy Lee.
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Oh, this is impossible. Nobody around here knows your maiden name.
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Lady does.
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Well... Lady, is my son Billy alive? Lady? A. M. I.
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Lady, Lady, where is Billy?
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Lady, where is Billy?
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Lady? A, B, C.
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He's in a cave.
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Mr. and Mrs.
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Wyatt telephoned from Richmond to Chief Ranger Anderson back in Tennessee.
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They told him to search for a cave. The following
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is from the official report of Ranger Anderson.
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The Wyatt boy was found in a small cave approximately
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one and one quarter miles northeast of the lake.
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He was unconscious. Dr.
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Warner gave him a blood transfusion and he was removed
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to the hospital. When I was able to question him,
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the white boy stated these circumstances. After the sailboat capsized
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and sank, he swam to the nearest shore. While attempting
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to return home through the woods, he stumbled into an
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animal trap. The trap broke his left leg and he
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began to lose blood. In a state of fright and confusion...
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He then began to crawl in a direction away from
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the lake. He discovered the cave and decided to stay
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there until the rainstorm was over. Sometime during the night,
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he lost consciousness. He remembered nothing more until reviving in
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the hospital. He was discharged therefrom on October 28th, fully recovered.
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Cases similar to that of the Wyatt boy in which
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the horse lady has guided searches to the recovery of
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the bodies of missing children may be read in Newsweek magazine.
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The issues of October 25th, 1948, December 22nd, 1952, and
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February 16th, 1953. In Time magazine, issue of December 15th, 1952.
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In Life magazine, issue of December 22nd, 1952. And in
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Popular Mechanics magazine, issue of March, 1952. Yes, the dramatization
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you just heard was a composite of several such actual cases.
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Item.
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Emanuel Swedenborg.
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Emanuel Swedenborg, scientist and philosopher in September 1759, saw in
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a waking dream a disastrous fire which was burning at
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that very moment in the city of Stockholm, 50 miles away.
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He specified the houses which were then in flames and
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gave the correct hour at which the fire was extinguished.
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Item.
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Leo Tolstoy.
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In 1910, Count Leo Tolstoy, famous author, sent a message
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to the Tsar of Russia, the German Kaiser, and the
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King of England, in which he described his dream of
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World War I, four years before it occurred. He stated
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when the war would begin, where it would be, outlined
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its horrors, foresaw the League of Nations.
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And now, gentlemen, any questions? You, Mr.
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Thorson?
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I rest my case.
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You, Mr. Doutkin? I rest my case. Weighty lines. Star.
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Circle.
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A girl sits at a table and draws cards from
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an automatic shuffling machine.
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Circle.
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By the mathematical laws of chance, she should correctly identify,
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without looking at the cards, five out.
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Of every 25 drawn.
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Cross.
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This girl has scored as high as 9 and 15
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cards consecutively correct.
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Star.
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In one such experiment, the score has exceeded the laws
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of chance by odds of 400,000 to 1. Star. In
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still other cases, the odds have risen to the astronomical
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ratio of 1 trillion and 1 quadrillion to 1. Six.
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In laboratories and universities throughout the United States and Europe
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and South Africa, the research goes on. New light is
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being shed on the phenomena of telepathy and clairvoyance. The
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day may be not far distant when science will establish
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the principles of extrasensory perception and its operation as firmly
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as the laws which govern nuclear fission. The ideas advanced
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by Professor Sigmund Freud and by other investigators may yet
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be proven fact. That long before man's first crude stammering,
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long before he first chiseled his ideographs into stone, man
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communicated to fellow man through thought. Tonight, the CBS Radio
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Workshop has presented Report on ESP, directed by Jack Johnstone.
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Research and script by Leonard St. Clair. John McIntyre was
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the narrator. The cast included Lucille Meredith, Lillian Biaffe, Don Diamond,
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Lawrence Dobkin, Russell Thorson, Stacey Harris, Robert Ballin, Forrest Lewis,
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Sam Edwards, Raymond Burr, and Bert Holland. Original music for
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tonight's program was composed and conducted by Amarigo Marino, with
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vocal by Norma Zimmer. The CBS Radio Workshop is produced
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in Hollywood by William Froog. This is Hugh Douglas inviting
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you to join us again next week when we present
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Cops and Robbers, a unique experiment in which real-life detectives
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use actual police methods to solve a fictional crime. Presented
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on the CBS Radio Workshop. On the New York Philharmonic
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Symphony broadcast, presented by most of these same stations this Sunday,
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you'll hear the second of two all-Mozart programs. Bruno Walter
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will conduct the Mozart Symphony No. 25 in G major,
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and then will present the rarely performed Mozart Requiem. That's
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this Sunday on CBS Radio.
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Star.
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Star.
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Star.
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Stay tuned for five minutes of CBS News to be
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followed on most of these stations by The Jack Carson Show. Five.
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Five. Eleven.
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Nine. Nine.
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Thank you.
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CBS Radio Workshop has concluded. Report on ESP. Good night,
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and thank you for joining us for this broadcast.
