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[SPEAKER_01]: a factual data creation facility production.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In a world where some podcasts make millions of dollars, I bring you the OF&T podcast, which isn't one of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now here's your host, Jim Shafer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to episode 335, which I'm calling, further reminiscing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been feeling a little melancholy lately, and though I try to limit myself from dwelling too much on the past, I just can't seem to help it, Lili.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking about Nokia again, specifically the ecosystem built by them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was called OV, which means door in the finished language.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll run down what Nokia had in the tick I'm using at section.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite podcast he knew agenda show is changing because of the death of one of its host.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I say a little about that in the podcast section.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's roll.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Before I start today, I have a correction to make.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the last episode, I erroneously said that Jimmy Kimmel had hosted the 2025 made by Google event last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, dear, that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that event was actually hosted by Jimmy Fallon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Too many late night talk shows hosted by Jimmy Z's days, and I don't watch any of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Including host-not-name Jimmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This week's Tech News.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the rundown of interesting Android News.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I only include items that I find interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't curate the news this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be producing Joe Rogan-length podcast episodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You wouldn't want that, would you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How dare you know!
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[SPEAKER_03]: First up, Android Authority, who's quoting E.T.
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[SPEAKER_03]: News, who I might add are based in Samsung's home country of South Korea, is claiming that Old Samu has initiated development of two count on two wide format football phones, or next year's Z9 lineup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This decision was obviously based on the apparent success of the Galaxy Z Fold 8, which
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess that we'll be seeing a base model Galaxy Z9 Fold and a Pro Z9 Fold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say Ultra but Samsung already uses that name for the taller but an narrower Z series foldable phones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: With Apple joining the fray next month, 2026 it's shaping up to becoming the year of the foldable form factor phone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see how long this trend will last.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I say it'll probably last until the augmented reality smart clashes arrive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just quickly jot that down in the book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In a so far unverified report, Leaker, Sammy Guru noticed patent filings by Samsung that depict a new foldable phone with a camera layout which resembles the Google Pixel phones camera bar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the camera lens is would be mounted horizontally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, instead of the usual vertical mounting of the lenses on the Galaxy as well as other Samsung phone models,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this style of mounting the camel lenses makes for a better looking phone, but I'm sure some Samsung fans would disagree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about this potential design change for Samsung phones?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nikai Asia reports that Google will complete moving all hardware production, i.e.
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[SPEAKER_03]: pixel phones out of China by 2027.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So are they bringing manufacturing back to the United States?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Google will be splitting hardware manufacturing between Vietnam and India.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what happens when a government fosters a hostile business climate in order to favor their domestic buddies overwhelmingly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The world's factory might foot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now if only the giant fruit company would do the same as Google's doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This past week saw the leak of multiple manufacturers take on the new Google book platform.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Devices from Lenovo, Acer, and Asus had images of their so far unreleased way-are-sponsored around the old intotubes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Android Authority, who were quoting Chrome Unboxed, report that Google has invited media to an in-person Googlebook preview event that will take place in New York City on September 15,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides giving a hands-on to attendees, Android Authority posits that we will finally find out the official name of what has been referred to as Aluminium OS, which is based on code references.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought we already had a name for this new operating system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Isn't it called Android Desktop?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I could have sworn that Android Desktop was announced as the official name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then again, it seems only laptop computers running this new operating system are being really
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen nor heard of any desktop models with this new OS being in the pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just assumed this to be a continuation of the Android desktop mode introduced for Android devices earlier this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to seeing what Google has cooked up here, before they eventually abandon it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the big G has a lengthy track record of abandoning products, don't they?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, non-influencer reviews of Google's new Pixel 11 phones are starting to roll in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in bad news for Google, most aren't very positive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that they're negative either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A headline from 9 to 5 Google sums it up pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The headline reads Pixel 11 initial review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This could have been a software update.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps new cell phone models go on a two-year upgrade cycle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This would align them with most consumers buying habits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've come to a point where the glass lab formed factor as reach maturity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we have foldables now, but they're basically two glass labs bolted together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The biannual upgrade cycle would give the manufacturers more time to incorporate more significant upgrades into their future phone models.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just talking about Sony Xperia phones last week within the context of Hola's cell-fish operating system being able to run on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And low and behold, Sony has scheduled an announcement for August 24th, where the company is expected to announce the Xperia 8.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Android Authority reports that this phone has already gotten FCC approval and will be able to work on all cellular providers within the United States.
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[SPEAKER_03]: According to the article, the new Xperia will still have a 3.5mm headphone jack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think my son's iPhone SE still had a dedicated headphone jack, but I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it was around 2016 that I last had a phone with a headphone jack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I recall still using my Sennheiser wired earbuds around that time period before having to buy an adapter in order to use them via the iPhone's lightning port.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I hope Sony sells enough experience phones to make it worth their wild to continue making them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember stopping by a Best Buy pop-up mobile store and checking out some experience one time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was contemplating getting my eldest daughter one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also remember that I was impressed by the experience I did manage to handle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That mall is long gone and so are those Best Buy pop-up stores.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I might even watch the Sony announcement on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's scheduled for 10pm on the 26th.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In other words, this coming Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: With the launch of the Huawei Purex view, the widescreen format factor is expanding beyond foldable phones, if you don't mind me asking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why didn't you include this item within the Android section?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's because Huawei no longer runs Android on their devices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember when the US government blacklisted the company many moons ago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be China all the time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, it's all coming back to me now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This info comes from Android Authority.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back in, what many people remember is being...
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[SPEAKER_03]: The day, Unfoldable phones with this wide 16.9.5 aspect ratio are readily available.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For some reason, manufacturers abandon this wide format in favor of the EAPTOL and thin form factor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always prefer a wider phone because I could punch out a text message using two hands and record time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No doubt this return of a wider aspect ratio was spurred on by the success of Samsung's new Galaxy Z Fold 8.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I look forward to seeing this trend continue and hope that Apple will eventually release a phone with this wider than standard format.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also hope that this phone will come in at a fairly reasonable price.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep dreaming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back rumors came upon a job listing put out by Apple recently, so what's the story here?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure Apple has it any one-time multiple job listings for various jobs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The big deal here, well, at least Mac rumors thinks is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that Apple is looking to hire a studio producer for Apple Fitness Plus with a background in live production, meaning that perhaps Apple will start having live fitness classes
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[SPEAKER_03]: MacRomers seems to think that real-time leaderboards and the like could be on the table.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if these assumptions will bear any fruit, as he, cool kids say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No!
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think it would be easier and probably cheaper for Apple to just buy Peloton outright.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton already has the infrastructure for live classes and for the tracking of exercise metrics.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The metrics tracked by Peloton are much more detailed than apples are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton also has much better instructors than Apple does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As the article points out, Mark German reported last year that Apple Fitness Plus was under review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dating that Fitness Plus was one of the company's weaker digital offerings due to high churn and low revenue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Low revenue?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can't have that now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can we?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[UNKNOWN]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides the metrics, I find the biggest problem with Fitness Plus is the instructors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: specifically the indoor cycling instructors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They all work out of California and cater to the younger urban dwelling person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The music is mostly hip hop and the instructors all seem to assume you're able to keep up with them easily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton has different kinds of rides.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They have recovery rides
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[SPEAKER_03]: While Apple goes out of his way to hire so-called diverse instructors, they have no diversity of age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All of Apple's instructors will, at least the last time I checked, are in the mid-20s to early 30s, or age bracket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton has instructors ranging from mid-20s to almost as old as I am.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton is also diverse in what type of music they play during their classes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The only way I can see this revamp working out for Apple is if they could also put out their own equipment, like indoor cycles, treadmills, and like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure many exercise equipment manufacturers would jump at the opportunity to partner with Apple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or if they bought Peloton, they would already have a user base with equipment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You are aware that Peloton's smart screens use Android, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, of course I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Apple could just replace those displays with ones that ran iOS or iPad OS, and charge those who want to keep their present equipment for swapping out the displays.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I consider doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it looks like those rumored AirPods Pro with cameras mounted on them are a reality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, Apple already announced them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, there are certain people out there in the techverse whose job is to pour over every
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[SPEAKER_03]: Open the find evidence of some unknown product in the pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Either by some computer code or in this case, actual video.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this sounds like a job for AI.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then again, I'm partial, aren't I?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, to your point, AI was probably used to scan this code.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know if this was my job, might be utilizing AI.
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[SPEAKER_03]: has found a video file from the Mac OS 26.7 release candidate that appears to be a snippet from a tutorial for Apple's visual intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The video snippet shows a man wearing airbots holding a notebook with a Siri-like voice saying, with visible intelligence your world becomes savable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do something you like?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This asked me to save it for later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A close-up still photo from the video shows that the AirPods demand is wearing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the only visible AirPods, indeed has a camera mounted along its stem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It appears that some Apple employee has overlooked deleting this small part of an obviously larger video tutorial.
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[SPEAKER_03]: MacRomers predicts that we'll see these camera-laden AirPods Pro and fail during next month iPhone event.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hope that this anonymous Apple employee still has a job there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Me too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of which, Apple Insider sites and older report from Bloomberg, don't you mean Bloomberg's Mark German?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, just plain old Bloomberg, who expects that these camera equip airbugs won't be released until next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This article also claims that these new airbots pro will be the fourth generation and not based on the current third generation of airbots pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That sounds about right to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Macroomers quoting an article from Apple Insider, who are in turn quoting Bloomberg's Mark German, there he is, claims that Apple has laid off or made redundant as my English friend say, the whole team is possible for VR development, sucks to be them, not really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they've been dispersed to other products.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd guess that most of them have joined a team that's working on augmented reality eyeglasses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, this was the team responsible for the Vision Pro flop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Incoming Apple CEO John Ternis reportedly signed off on canceling the second-generation Vision Pro along with the new Vision Air, which was supposed to be a cheaper and thinner version of the Vision Pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And with that, I'll end this week's Tech News.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tech The Host is using.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I used to be a happy and content user of Nokia smartphones before a chain of events changed everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt joy nestled within its ever-expanding ecosystem, and developed a small but dependable cadre of fellow U.S.-based Nokia enthusiasts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I even had Nokia contacts overseas and communicated with this group mostly using what was then Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was still a time when you could find and partake in civil discourse on social media platforms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those were the days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To counter the iPhone, Dr. Knott, Nokia had started building out a comparable ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nokia decided to call items within this ecosystem, OV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OV means door in the finish language, as I said in the intro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Looking back on that decision, I think it would have been better to call it just Nokia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of the pieces of this ecosystem were already there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Music, maps, and messages simply were renamed to OV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides, keeping up with all things Nokia using social media, I also listened to the all about Symbian podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really missed those times, which were at least to me, exciting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first product of this new OV ecosystem that I remember using was Nokia Messenger, which of course was soon rebranded to OV Messenger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just to check it out, I message my younger daughter who I'd set up with a Nokia N97 series phone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly, I once received an OV message from someone and after doing the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess he just wanted to know if he could message somebody overseas but didn't really know anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there was a list of active users you could access and my name was picked randomly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OV maps were the best navigation software at the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When evening my family and I were trying to find some place while driving around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was using a Nexus 1 and Google Maps couldn't find the place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A wife had an iPhone and Apple Maps had no luck either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Luckily, my daughter had her Nokia and Ovi Maps came to her rescue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The best Ovi Services was Ovi Music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides being half the subscription price of his competitors, its music catalog was more extensive and its recommendation algorithm was the best I've ever used.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The service I use the most was OVMail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hung on to that at ove.com email addresses my main account until the bitter end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The biggest disappointment of all the OV services was the OV App Store.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Compared to its rivals, it was pretty barren.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Only the Blackberry App Store was worse than it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When Nokia sold out to Microsoft, OVMaps and music became Windows Maps and Music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obi-Mal and Messager went the way of the Dodo Bird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If only Symbion could have survived and been upgraded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I understand that he impetus for the adoption of Windowsome by Nokia was because the Symbion code was sold that nothing further could be done with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Symbion on my old N8 was the best experience I had with that Elder Mobile Operating System.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mego, the Linux-based operating system that I also discussed last week, was supposed to be the successor to Symbian, but it just wasn't a B. I often wonder how different the mobile operating system world would have been if either Symbian or Mego were given the chance to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, do we really need our smartphones to vacuum up all our data just for the sake or
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Al Precious Privacy would be more intact if we're in the hands of a company like Nokia rather than Google Microsoft and even Apple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really need to get my hands on a whole of phone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyhow, thanks for listening to this old time or event a bit about what he considered us to be better times for mobile computing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Entertainment News
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another price increase for the peacock streaming service.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This will mark the fourth year in a row that peacock has raised their prices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I used to get offers from peacock where I'd pay like $30 annually for the first year and have that be-build regular prices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I'd cancel before those higher prices kicked in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't gotten an offer like that from peacock in a couple years now, so what I do now is enroll in a monthly subscription, and then binge watch what I have to during the first month in cancel my subscription.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What worries me about this particular price increase is that it will open the floodgates for the other services to raise their prices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That seems to be the way it goes these days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm again pruning what streaming services I subscribe to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We only watch two shows on that surface anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At one time, MGM+, had a good stable of original content, but since Amazon assumed ownership, that's fallen off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why Amazon just doesn't combine MGM+, with Prime Video, probably because there are afraid of being labeled a monopoly, and the lawsuits that would surely follow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're probably right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get a deal on Paramount Plus because of the Walmart membership program I belong to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The one service that seems to be improving is Apple TV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They keep adding quality shows at a rate that has been increasing every year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Only problem with them is their light on movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rumor has it that incoming Apple CEO John Turner is a big supporter of Apple TV so if
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Apple should make some sort of deal with Sony.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they can out bid Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well it's time for a break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You may or may not hear some advertisements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Podcast news or something similar to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Spotify ads kipping tool is still the biggest story for podcasting incorporated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: According to podnews.net, Spotify has started selling unskippable podcast advertisements.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So as long as you're buying ads from Spotify itself, you're ad cannot be skipped.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm wondering if this is even legal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll leave that to the lawyers to decide.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what this whole skip button, kerfuffle, is really all about is shaking down advertisers for more money by having to purchase ads from Spotify directly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't, podcast listeners on Spotify can just skip over your ads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's all about the... As it always is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Since the passing of texturnalist pioneer John C. Devorac recently, the self-described best podcast and universe of the no-agenda podcast has already gone through some changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On Sundays, the show is hosted by the hosts of the Planet Rage Podcast, who are sometimes joined by Adam Curry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Although this Sunday show was hosted by Adam Curry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The guys from Planet Rage do a decent enough job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A bit of job that they do on their own podcast, but it's just not the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On the third say episodes, Mr. Curry does appear steadily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll still be listening to the no-agenda podcast, but this show is no longer a must listen for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I predict that the no-agenda podcast will experience a slow, drop-off of listeners and we'll most likely end in the next couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on, give me a second so I can write this in the book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a shame, but what are you going to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps in the future when AI improves enough, we'll be able to clone not just the person's voice, but also a bit of their personality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That way the death of a podcast host or co-host will not cause the end of a show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know that sounds creepy, but you know things are probably hidden that way anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't find that creepy at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well you wouldn't, would you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the music is playing, and it's not raining here for a change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, no rain is in the forecast until Wednesday evening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed making it for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you like what you heard, you can make a donation using the link in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any and all donations will be greatly appreciated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you would like to contact the OFNT podcast, you can do so by sending an email to OFNT podcast at gmail.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And remember, don't listen to what they say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Watch what they do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I finally gave my yard the attention it badly needed, so get off my lawn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stay skeptical.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ahhhh, I'll be seeing you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that folks is the end of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a factual data creation facility production.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In a world where some podcasts make millions of dollars, I bring you the OF&T podcast, which isn't one of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now here's your host, Jim Shafer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to episode 335, which I'm calling, further reminiscing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been feeling a little melancholy lately, and though I try to limit myself from dwelling too much on the past, I just can't seem to help it, Lili.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking about Nokia again, specifically the ecosystem built by them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was called OV, which means door in the finished language.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll run down what Nokia had in the tick I'm using at section.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite podcast he knew agenda show is changing because of the death of one of its host.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I say a little about that in the podcast section.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's roll.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Before I start today, I have a correction to make.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the last episode, I erroneously said that Jimmy Kimmel had hosted the 2025 made by Google event last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, dear, that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that event was actually hosted by Jimmy Fallon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Too many late night talk shows hosted by Jimmy Z's days, and I don't watch any of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Including host-not-name Jimmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This week's Tech News.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the rundown of interesting Android News.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I only include items that I find interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't curate the news this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be producing Joe Rogan-length podcast episodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You wouldn't want that, would you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How dare you know!
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[SPEAKER_03]: First up, Android Authority, who's quoting E.T.
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[SPEAKER_03]: News, who I might add are based in Samsung's home country of South Korea, is claiming that Old Samu has initiated development of two count on two wide format football phones, or next year's Z9 lineup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This decision was obviously based on the apparent success of the Galaxy Z Fold 8, which
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess that we'll be seeing a base model Galaxy Z9 Fold and a Pro Z9 Fold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say Ultra but Samsung already uses that name for the taller but an narrower Z series foldable phones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: With Apple joining the fray next month, 2026 it's shaping up to becoming the year of the foldable form factor phone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see how long this trend will last.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I say it'll probably last until the augmented reality smart clashes arrive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just quickly jot that down in the book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In a so far unverified report, Leaker, Sammy Guru noticed patent filings by Samsung that depict a new foldable phone with a camera layout which resembles the Google Pixel phones camera bar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the camera lens is would be mounted horizontally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, instead of the usual vertical mounting of the lenses on the Galaxy as well as other Samsung phone models,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this style of mounting the camel lenses makes for a better looking phone, but I'm sure some Samsung fans would disagree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about this potential design change for Samsung phones?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nikai Asia reports that Google will complete moving all hardware production, i.e.
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[SPEAKER_03]: pixel phones out of China by 2027.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So are they bringing manufacturing back to the United States?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Google will be splitting hardware manufacturing between Vietnam and India.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what happens when a government fosters a hostile business climate in order to favor their domestic buddies overwhelmingly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The world's factory might foot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now if only the giant fruit company would do the same as Google's doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This past week saw the leak of multiple manufacturers take on the new Google book platform.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Devices from Lenovo, Acer, and Asus had images of their so far unreleased way-are-sponsored around the old intotubes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Android Authority, who were quoting Chrome Unboxed, report that Google has invited media to an in-person Googlebook preview event that will take place in New York City on September 15,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides giving a hands-on to attendees, Android Authority posits that we will finally find out the official name of what has been referred to as Aluminium OS, which is based on code references.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought we already had a name for this new operating system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Isn't it called Android Desktop?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I could have sworn that Android Desktop was announced as the official name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then again, it seems only laptop computers running this new operating system are being really
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen nor heard of any desktop models with this new OS being in the pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just assumed this to be a continuation of the Android desktop mode introduced for Android devices earlier this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to seeing what Google has cooked up here, before they eventually abandon it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the big G has a lengthy track record of abandoning products, don't they?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, non-influencer reviews of Google's new Pixel 11 phones are starting to roll in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in bad news for Google, most aren't very positive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that they're negative either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A headline from 9 to 5 Google sums it up pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The headline reads Pixel 11 initial review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This could have been a software update.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps new cell phone models go on a two-year upgrade cycle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This would align them with most consumers buying habits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've come to a point where the glass lab formed factor as reach maturity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we have foldables now, but they're basically two glass labs bolted together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The biannual upgrade cycle would give the manufacturers more time to incorporate more significant upgrades into their future phone models.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just talking about Sony Xperia phones last week within the context of Hola's cell-fish operating system being able to run on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And low and behold, Sony has scheduled an announcement for August 24th, where the company is expected to announce the Xperia 8.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Android Authority reports that this phone has already gotten FCC approval and will be able to work on all cellular providers within the United States.
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[SPEAKER_03]: According to the article, the new Xperia will still have a 3.5mm headphone jack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think my son's iPhone SE still had a dedicated headphone jack, but I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it was around 2016 that I last had a phone with a headphone jack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I recall still using my Sennheiser wired earbuds around that time period before having to buy an adapter in order to use them via the iPhone's lightning port.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I hope Sony sells enough experience phones to make it worth their wild to continue making them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember stopping by a Best Buy pop-up mobile store and checking out some experience one time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was contemplating getting my eldest daughter one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also remember that I was impressed by the experience I did manage to handle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That mall is long gone and so are those Best Buy pop-up stores.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I might even watch the Sony announcement on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's scheduled for 10pm on the 26th.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In other words, this coming Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: With the launch of the Huawei Purex view, the widescreen format factor is expanding beyond foldable phones, if you don't mind me asking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why didn't you include this item within the Android section?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's because Huawei no longer runs Android on their devices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember when the US government blacklisted the company many moons ago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be China all the time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, it's all coming back to me now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This info comes from Android Authority.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back in, what many people remember is being...
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[SPEAKER_03]: The day, Unfoldable phones with this wide 16.9.5 aspect ratio are readily available.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For some reason, manufacturers abandon this wide format in favor of the EAPTOL and thin form factor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always prefer a wider phone because I could punch out a text message using two hands and record time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No doubt this return of a wider aspect ratio was spurred on by the success of Samsung's new Galaxy Z Fold 8.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I look forward to seeing this trend continue and hope that Apple will eventually release a phone with this wider than standard format.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also hope that this phone will come in at a fairly reasonable price.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep dreaming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back rumors came upon a job listing put out by Apple recently, so what's the story here?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure Apple has it any one-time multiple job listings for various jobs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The big deal here, well, at least Mac rumors thinks is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that Apple is looking to hire a studio producer for Apple Fitness Plus with a background in live production, meaning that perhaps Apple will start having live fitness classes
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[SPEAKER_03]: MacRomers seems to think that real-time leaderboards and the like could be on the table.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if these assumptions will bear any fruit, as he, cool kids say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No!
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think it would be easier and probably cheaper for Apple to just buy Peloton outright.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton already has the infrastructure for live classes and for the tracking of exercise metrics.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The metrics tracked by Peloton are much more detailed than apples are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton also has much better instructors than Apple does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As the article points out, Mark German reported last year that Apple Fitness Plus was under review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dating that Fitness Plus was one of the company's weaker digital offerings due to high churn and low revenue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Low revenue?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can't have that now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can we?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[UNKNOWN]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides the metrics, I find the biggest problem with Fitness Plus is the instructors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: specifically the indoor cycling instructors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They all work out of California and cater to the younger urban dwelling person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The music is mostly hip hop and the instructors all seem to assume you're able to keep up with them easily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton has different kinds of rides.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They have recovery rides
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[SPEAKER_03]: While Apple goes out of his way to hire so-called diverse instructors, they have no diversity of age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All of Apple's instructors will, at least the last time I checked, are in the mid-20s to early 30s, or age bracket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton has instructors ranging from mid-20s to almost as old as I am.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peloton is also diverse in what type of music they play during their classes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The only way I can see this revamp working out for Apple is if they could also put out their own equipment, like indoor cycles, treadmills, and like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure many exercise equipment manufacturers would jump at the opportunity to partner with Apple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or if they bought Peloton, they would already have a user base with equipment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You are aware that Peloton's smart screens use Android, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, of course I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Apple could just replace those displays with ones that ran iOS or iPad OS, and charge those who want to keep their present equipment for swapping out the displays.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I consider doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it looks like those rumored AirPods Pro with cameras mounted on them are a reality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, Apple already announced them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, there are certain people out there in the techverse whose job is to pour over every
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[SPEAKER_03]: Open the find evidence of some unknown product in the pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Either by some computer code or in this case, actual video.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this sounds like a job for AI.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then again, I'm partial, aren't I?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, to your point, AI was probably used to scan this code.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know if this was my job, might be utilizing AI.
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[SPEAKER_03]: has found a video file from the Mac OS 26.7 release candidate that appears to be a snippet from a tutorial for Apple's visual intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The video snippet shows a man wearing airbots holding a notebook with a Siri-like voice saying, with visible intelligence your world becomes savable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do something you like?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This asked me to save it for later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A close-up still photo from the video shows that the AirPods demand is wearing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the only visible AirPods, indeed has a camera mounted along its stem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It appears that some Apple employee has overlooked deleting this small part of an obviously larger video tutorial.
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[SPEAKER_03]: MacRomers predicts that we'll see these camera-laden AirPods Pro and fail during next month iPhone event.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hope that this anonymous Apple employee still has a job there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Me too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of which, Apple Insider sites and older report from Bloomberg, don't you mean Bloomberg's Mark German?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, just plain old Bloomberg, who expects that these camera equip airbugs won't be released until next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This article also claims that these new airbots pro will be the fourth generation and not based on the current third generation of airbots pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That sounds about right to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Macroomers quoting an article from Apple Insider, who are in turn quoting Bloomberg's Mark German, there he is, claims that Apple has laid off or made redundant as my English friend say, the whole team is possible for VR development, sucks to be them, not really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they've been dispersed to other products.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd guess that most of them have joined a team that's working on augmented reality eyeglasses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, this was the team responsible for the Vision Pro flop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Incoming Apple CEO John Ternis reportedly signed off on canceling the second-generation Vision Pro along with the new Vision Air, which was supposed to be a cheaper and thinner version of the Vision Pro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And with that, I'll end this week's Tech News.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tech The Host is using.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I used to be a happy and content user of Nokia smartphones before a chain of events changed everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt joy nestled within its ever-expanding ecosystem, and developed a small but dependable cadre of fellow U.S.-based Nokia enthusiasts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I even had Nokia contacts overseas and communicated with this group mostly using what was then Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was still a time when you could find and partake in civil discourse on social media platforms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those were the days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To counter the iPhone, Dr. Knott, Nokia had started building out a comparable ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nokia decided to call items within this ecosystem, OV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OV means door in the finish language, as I said in the intro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Looking back on that decision, I think it would have been better to call it just Nokia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of the pieces of this ecosystem were already there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Music, maps, and messages simply were renamed to OV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides, keeping up with all things Nokia using social media, I also listened to the all about Symbian podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really missed those times, which were at least to me, exciting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first product of this new OV ecosystem that I remember using was Nokia Messenger, which of course was soon rebranded to OV Messenger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just to check it out, I message my younger daughter who I'd set up with a Nokia N97 series phone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly, I once received an OV message from someone and after doing the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess he just wanted to know if he could message somebody overseas but didn't really know anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there was a list of active users you could access and my name was picked randomly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OV maps were the best navigation software at the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When evening my family and I were trying to find some place while driving around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was using a Nexus 1 and Google Maps couldn't find the place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A wife had an iPhone and Apple Maps had no luck either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Luckily, my daughter had her Nokia and Ovi Maps came to her rescue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The best Ovi Services was Ovi Music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Besides being half the subscription price of his competitors, its music catalog was more extensive and its recommendation algorithm was the best I've ever used.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The service I use the most was OVMail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hung on to that at ove.com email addresses my main account until the bitter end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The biggest disappointment of all the OV services was the OV App Store.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Compared to its rivals, it was pretty barren.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Only the Blackberry App Store was worse than it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When Nokia sold out to Microsoft, OVMaps and music became Windows Maps and Music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obi-Mal and Messager went the way of the Dodo Bird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If only Symbion could have survived and been upgraded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I understand that he impetus for the adoption of Windowsome by Nokia was because the Symbion code was sold that nothing further could be done with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Symbion on my old N8 was the best experience I had with that Elder Mobile Operating System.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mego, the Linux-based operating system that I also discussed last week, was supposed to be the successor to Symbian, but it just wasn't a B. I often wonder how different the mobile operating system world would have been if either Symbian or Mego were given the chance to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, do we really need our smartphones to vacuum up all our data just for the sake or
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Al Precious Privacy would be more intact if we're in the hands of a company like Nokia rather than Google Microsoft and even Apple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really need to get my hands on a whole of phone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyhow, thanks for listening to this old time or event a bit about what he considered us to be better times for mobile computing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Entertainment News
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another price increase for the peacock streaming service.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This will mark the fourth year in a row that peacock has raised their prices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I used to get offers from peacock where I'd pay like $30 annually for the first year and have that be-build regular prices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I'd cancel before those higher prices kicked in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't gotten an offer like that from peacock in a couple years now, so what I do now is enroll in a monthly subscription, and then binge watch what I have to during the first month in cancel my subscription.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What worries me about this particular price increase is that it will open the floodgates for the other services to raise their prices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That seems to be the way it goes these days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm again pruning what streaming services I subscribe to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We only watch two shows on that surface anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At one time, MGM+, had a good stable of original content, but since Amazon assumed ownership, that's fallen off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why Amazon just doesn't combine MGM+, with Prime Video, probably because there are afraid of being labeled a monopoly, and the lawsuits that would surely follow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're probably right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get a deal on Paramount Plus because of the Walmart membership program I belong to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The one service that seems to be improving is Apple TV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They keep adding quality shows at a rate that has been increasing every year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Only problem with them is their light on movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rumor has it that incoming Apple CEO John Turner is a big supporter of Apple TV so if
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Apple should make some sort of deal with Sony.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they can out bid Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well it's time for a break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You may or may not hear some advertisements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Podcast news or something similar to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Spotify ads kipping tool is still the biggest story for podcasting incorporated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: According to podnews.net, Spotify has started selling unskippable podcast advertisements.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So as long as you're buying ads from Spotify itself, you're ad cannot be skipped.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm wondering if this is even legal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll leave that to the lawyers to decide.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what this whole skip button, kerfuffle, is really all about is shaking down advertisers for more money by having to purchase ads from Spotify directly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't, podcast listeners on Spotify can just skip over your ads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's all about the... As it always is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Since the passing of texturnalist pioneer John C. Devorac recently, the self-described best podcast and universe of the no-agenda podcast has already gone through some changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On Sundays, the show is hosted by the hosts of the Planet Rage Podcast, who are sometimes joined by Adam Curry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Although this Sunday show was hosted by Adam Curry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The guys from Planet Rage do a decent enough job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A bit of job that they do on their own podcast, but it's just not the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On the third say episodes, Mr. Curry does appear steadily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll still be listening to the no-agenda podcast, but this show is no longer a must listen for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I predict that the no-agenda podcast will experience a slow, drop-off of listeners and we'll most likely end in the next couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on, give me a second so I can write this in the book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a shame, but what are you going to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps in the future when AI improves enough, we'll be able to clone not just the person's voice, but also a bit of their personality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That way the death of a podcast host or co-host will not cause the end of a show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know that sounds creepy, but you know things are probably hidden that way anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't find that creepy at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well you wouldn't, would you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the music is playing, and it's not raining here for a change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, no rain is in the forecast until Wednesday evening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed making it for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you like what you heard, you can make a donation using the link in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any and all donations will be greatly appreciated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you would like to contact the OFNT podcast, you can do so by sending an email to OFNT podcast at gmail.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And remember, don't listen to what they say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Watch what they do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I finally gave my yard the attention it badly needed, so get off my lawn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stay skeptical.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ahhhh, I'll be seeing you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that folks is the end of the show.
