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Welcome to Off Script, a conversation with no fakes, no filters, just real conversations about how faith and flesh meet in the everyday life, where we experience a God who made us on purpose for his purpose.
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This is Off Script.
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Let's talk.
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Hey guys, welcome back to Offscript.
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I'm here with the whole team.
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Everybody's here.
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Yeah.
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Caleb, Truitt, and a very, very special guest, Phil Jones.
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And if you guys don't know Phil Jones, he is our pastoral care, prayer, restoration.
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Did I say all that right?
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You got it right.
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He does everything and he does it really well.
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And he's really just the best.
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Everybody calls him Dr.
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Phil.
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And so I need to ask a question about that.
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I'm going to come clean for a second.
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And I just want the honest answer.
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I'm not a doctor.
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I never went to school to be a doctor, or I don't know how long you got to go to do that.
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But I did tell Amazon I am a doctor.
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And so when Amazon delivers something to my house, it says Dr.
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Caleb Wade.
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So is that wrong or is that okay?
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I don't know.
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That's between you and the Lord.
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That is why we brought you here today.
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I guess I will change that now that I feel guilty.
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$50 of a book report to get you a doctor's.
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Okay.
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Well, well, Doc, we we brought you in today because this is a qu a question that we get a lot from students.
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And we're going to jump right into this because I think this topic, you know, will carry with it a lot of conversation.
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And where something might be a simple answer to us, to them, it is back and forth.
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And it is something that one conversation usually doesn't fix it.
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It's usually an everyday battle of do I know the Lord?
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Am I saved?
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And so we get a lot of questions, not just from middle school and high school students, but from parents.
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Hey, I I don't feel like I'm saved.
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I feel like I've lost my salvation.
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Can I lose my salvation?
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I used to be really close to the Lord and now I'm far away.
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I don't I don't know if I'm saved.
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Or you might get the total opposite.
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I've been saved my whole life.
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And you're like, well, when did you acknowledge who the Lord was and say, hey man, I'm gonna live for you.
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You're you're you're my savior.
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Oh, I've my whole life I've been that way.
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And so that we want to kind of open up how do I know that I'm saved?
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And you know, can I lose my salvation?
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And so if if somebody, and I would assume you deal with this with adults as well.
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So how do you even begin that conversation?
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Sure.
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Well, I think first of all, they have to always ask the question tell me about the time when you believe that you committed your life to Christ.
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Did you repent of your sin?
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Now, repentance is turning from something, turning from sin, and never again going back to it.
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So the sin that you repent of when you get saved is unbelief.
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You didn't believe that God was God, you didn't believe that Jesus was God, you didn't believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sin.
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Yeah.
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But now you do, and you believe that He is the only way that you can ever be saved.
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So you you repent of those beliefs, you turn from that, and now you believe in Jesus.
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Once once you've repented of that, you can never go back.
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Now that's a work that God does.
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You can't do that by yourself.
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Repentance is a hundred percent work of God.
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He does that in you.
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So can I ask you then?
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Okay, so when if if we get to that point, hey, you know, tell me about this experience.
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Tell me about when did you accept the Lord?
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When do you acknowledge him?
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And let's just say we're going over John 10 and we're like, hey man, they will they will know my voice.
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You know, that the the sheep will know the shepherd's voice.
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And like, well, I did that, but I don't hear his voice.
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Yeah.
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You know, so does that mean I'm not saved?
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No, because God speaks through his word.
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Yeah.
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I I do believe that there are times when he speaks in the spirit and you know, and will tell you things.
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Conviction, that's another thing I'll ask people, are you convicted of your sin?
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And they say, Well, yeah.
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And I say, Okay, then that's that's an evidence that you belong to God, because God doesn't convict unbelievers of sins.
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The only sin he convicts them of is that they don't believe.
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So, and Morgan might I feel like Morgan, usually there's two times a year, this is just an overload of conversation.
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Usually our two biggest events, we usually have conversations like this, but you'll see students that will they learn something new about the Lord.
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Yeah, you know, or they learn more about him.
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And just like anybody, the the more that you read about him, the more that you learn about him and know his ways, the dirtier you're gonna look.
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Right.
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It doesn't mean that you're lost.
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Right.
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You know, it it doesn't mean that he you don't know his voice.
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That's conviction.
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Yes, it just means you're learning more about who he is.
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Absolutely.
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And I it's this Isaiah moment, you know, that I feel like Morgan, you know, like you I know you have to walk through this a whole lot with with girls.
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And I mean, uh I same thing with guys.
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Like, how do you even get to the point of telling them, like, hey, you this is this is a good thing that you're learning who he is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think, Brother Phil, you probably have counseled this way more than we have, but I always go back to the four types of soil that Jesus gives in that parable in Matthew.
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I think it's 13.
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And just for y'all listening that are maybe not familiar with that story, I would say there's four different types of soil that the Lord gives.
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He gives one, the seeds that are along the path that are eventually just eaten up by the birds very quickly.
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The second one is rocky soil.
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There's no depth.
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And when the sun comes, it completely shivers up because there is no root to it.
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And then the next one is the thor the thorny soil, and the thorns just chokes them out so much so that the plant dies.
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And the last one is the good soil.
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And I always look at those.
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Would you rather which one of those is a worship leader you feel like the most?
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I'm just getting over.
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Okay, the good soil.
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The good soil.
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No, but I always look at those, you know, that really helps me understand, especially when a girl comes to me saying, Can I lose my salvation?
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I always look at those passages of, hey, is you can, you can never lose your salvation, but you can lose your emotion.
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There are so many times that we have with events that people will walk away and be like, Oh, I had such an emotional experience, but they didn't meet the Lord.
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They don't know the Lord and they walk away.
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You have so many cases of that at the weekend or camp.
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You have students that come and they're very emotional and they're very excited.
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And then two months later, they're not walking with the Lord.
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Great.
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Can I add something to that?
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And then you answer this.
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Okay, because you'll get the same thing with uh like for instance, last week, had two conversations.
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This hey, look, I don't know what if I'm saved.
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I can't stop looking at porn.
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And so how do how do I like I mean it's it's a struggle I've had for five years.
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I cannot, I cannot get over this.
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So I don't even know if I'm saved.
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I mean, you I think I get that quite a bit.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think it would go beyond what I talked about earlier about repentance from unbelief.
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Then as you grow as a Christian, God is going to convict you about specific sins.
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And that will be one of them.
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And that is an indication, somebody that's aware of that, to say, Well, I'm addicted to porn.
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That's a conviction that they know that's wrong.
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So that's something a work that God wants to do in them to remove that from their life.
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But they have to be willing to turn from it, to repent.
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And once they make the decision to turn, then then God will do the work.
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And and again, everything in the Christian life, when you look at it, it's all 100% God and 0% us.
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Salvation is that, for by grace you've been saved through faith, that not of yourself.
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It's a gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.
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I think about John 11, it's a beautiful picture of salvation where Jesus found out that that Lazarus had been, that he died.
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And so Jesus waits four days before he goes to Bethany, and then he goes to the tomb of Lazarus and calls him forth out of the dead.
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Now, let me ask you a question.
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Did Lazarus play any part in his resurrection?
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Sydney, answer the question.
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Why are you just sitting there?
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Yes or no?
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True, it's just sitting there too.
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He said you.
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I don't, I mean, that's a good question.
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I don't think so.
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I mean, he's dead.
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He's dead, right?
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So that's what I was gonna say.
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So Jesus did the work 100%.
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It was 100% of his grace, 0% from Lazarus.
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That's salvation.
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Salvation is not rescuing somebody who's drowning, it's resurrecting someone who's dead.
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Yeah, that's good.
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So you're 100% out of it.
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And so when you come to Christ, one of the phrases that's used in the New Testament, Paul used it over 75 times.
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It's probably a hundred and over a hundred in the New Testament.
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It's the word in Christ.
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Salvation, a lot of people refer to it as I'm asking Jesus to come into my life, specifically into my heart.
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Yeah.
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Salvation is not our invitation for Jesus to come into me.
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Salvation is Jesus' invitation for me to come into him.
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That's right, yeah.
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And so when he saves me, he places me in him.
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That's justification.
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And then the process of growth, sanctification, is now him coming into me.
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And that's what you're talking about, Caleb, of somebody that says, Well, I'm struggling with this area.
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Well, that's an area where Jesus wants to take control and come into that and control that.
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I would say that's like a um you mentioned Paul.
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Okay, in in Romans 7, I mean, he he's gonna lay out what we're you know, what you're saying.
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He's saying, Hey, why why do I keep doing the things that I don't want to do?
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Yeah, I I don't I'm I'm terrible.
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I'm you know, and it's just and I would say, you know, usually at an event or a Wednesday night or just a moment where somebody has been taught the word of God, they live in chapter seven, you know, and I if especially if they go to a Bible teaching, Bible believing church, they're gonna live in seven.
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And it's almost at some point you gotta it's seven, you need to read seven.
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You you you need to understand what sin is.
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But at some point you gotta get to chapter eight.
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And he says, Hey, there's no condemnation for those who are in the Lord.
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And and and those are things that it's hard to understand and grasp because we live in a world where you know it's it's this idea of you know, a sleepover versus adoption.
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What I mean by that is like, you know, if you sleep over at somebody's house, you know, you spend the night at somebody's house, okay.
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Well, you can leave when you want to, or you don't like you, you can, you know, when you when you're adopted, no matter what happens, you are a part of that family.
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Right.
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And there's moments and you can see in the Bible where the prodigal son, he's he leaves, he's with the pigs at one point.
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He he's still his son.
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Right.
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You know, and and I I think that's hard to get a grasp of because we want to be the doers and we want to love people and serve people to to you know to create these works where I'm I'm good enough.
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And the idea of accepting love is is difficult when you know that you're you're you're a sinner.
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Yeah, and I would say too, just to kind of add to that, I think it's what Brother Phil was saying from the beginning, it's not this guilt and shame, it's this conviction of sin, knowing that I have offended the Father.
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I'm not walking in accordance to his laws and his commandments.
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And I think, you know, going back to what I was talking about with the four soils, the difference is the Holy Spirit.
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I mean, I think it's Ephesians that talks about the Holy Spirit is the deposit that God has put in you.
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The guarantee, the seed.
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The guarantee.
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And even if you look at first John, I've had a lot of girls this summer that were struggling with doubt.
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And I love first John.
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I think you shared it with me first time, brother Phil, is it's a book of assurance.
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I'm writing these things that you may know, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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And one of the things that it talks about is the Holy Spirit.
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Do you have the Holy Spirit?
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Is it just guilt of Caleb?
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You talk about this all the time, the difference between guilt and conviction.
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Guilt is it's all about you.
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Yeah.
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It's all about you feeling guilty and you've done something wrong where conviction's all about God.
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It's all about I'm not walking in accordance to his laws.
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And I think many times when we look at the Old Testament too, you know, I don't know if you want to talk about that, Brother Phil.
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Like I think about so many people in the Old Testament, there was that temporary placing of the Holy Spirit because Christ had not come.
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Right.
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And you look at those kind of lives and you're like, whoa, what's going on there?
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You know, and it's because they did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them.
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What a gift that we live now after Christ's resurrection that we do have the Holy Spirit living in us.
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Right.
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The Holy Spirit would come on them for an appointed time to fulfill the will of God.
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Uh, speaking of the Old Testament, uh, one of my favorite examples is the life of David.
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In Psalm, and well, in second, in 2 Samuel 11, you know, David is confront is sins against God with Bathsheba, has Uriah killed.
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And then in chapter 12, he is confronted by Nathan.
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So as a result of that confrontation, that conviction of the Spirit of God.
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In Psalm 51, David uh records his confession.
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And in verse 12, David says, Restore to me the joy of your salvation.
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He didn't say, Give me back my salvation.
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He said, Restore, you know, bring it back to life, rekindle it, you know.
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But notice he said, Restore to me the joy of your salvation.
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He didn't say my salvation.
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So that's one thing we need to understand.
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Salvation is not mine, it's God's that he gives to me.
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I would also when I feel like people ask this question, it's it's usually coming out of a season of darkness where something has not been satisfied.
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You know, and the the Bible teaches you that the Lord does not satisfy the desires of the wicked, you know, which means if you think that, you know, a a drug is going to satisfy you, the Lord's not going to allow it to satisfy you.
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You know, like if a a relationship or a girl or sex, because usually if somebody says, Hey, I've got a, you know, I can't stop looking at porn and me and I've been dating this girl, I'm like, Well, I already know what you're doing, you know, like it that you're just having, you're having sex with her, aren't you?
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And they're just like, huh?
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And I'm like, Yeah, you well, just say, just say what what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, it's usually coming out of a season of of or moment of extreme darkness where you're not being satisfied.
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And I think that is where, you know, the soul craves to be satisfied.
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And the only thing that can get that is the Lord.
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And many times as you as you learn about who the Lord is, you're gonna have these moments where, I mean, even Isaiah, who is a prophet of the Lord, who is far better than any of us talking on here, and far better than any of us listening, you know, he even looked at the glory of the Lord and said, I am lost.
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I am, I'm a man of unclean lips.
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I've seen and I, you know, like, and it is one of those moments we're like, he's not lost.
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Like, I I mean, look at him.
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He's awesome.
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You know, there's no way.
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And even in the that moment, the Lord doesn't look at him and say, you know what, you're right, depart from me.
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He looks at him and says, Hey, hey, I need somebody to go who will go.
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And he says, Hey, send me, right?
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I will go.
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And it's almost like people want to sneak their way to the altar where the Lord doesn't see them.
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You know, if I could just creep my way up there, he doesn't know I'm up here.
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I'll just quietly ask for forgiveness and then walk away.
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Or let me fix something before I come back to him.
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And the Lord says, No, no, no, you you come now and and and come to me broken.
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You know, come to me now.
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Yeah.
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And there's always that desire of the soul to want to be satisfied instead of allowing some hole that you have to be filled with something in this world, you know.
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And I think that is usually the season people ask these questions.
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How do I know I'm saved?
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I got baptized three times at camp.
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Yeah.
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You know, but I'm still having sex.
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I got baptized, you know, last year, but yet, you know, like I'm I'm still doing, and then you fill in the blank with whatever sin that is, you know, that they they can't get away from.
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Well, I think that's an evidence of salvation that they're concerned about because if they weren't, that would be no big deal.
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Yeah.
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It'd be none whatsoever.
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But getting to the point of, you know, can I lose my salvation?
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You know, the answer is no biblically.
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You were talking about Romans 7 and then Romans 8, you know, and so Paul had asked the question there, who can who can separate us from the love of God?
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And so he lists a lot of different things.
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And then he says, none of that can ever separate us from the love of God.
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And then people say, Well, but that's the love.
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God loves everybody.
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No, but it's implying a relationship.
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It's a love relationship that you're having with God.
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So when you establish that love relationship through Jesus, there is absolutely nothing that can separate you from that because again, you are in Christ.
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You've been seated in Him.
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And so if you're placed inside of Christ and you're sealed with the Holy Spirit, then tell me who is able to reach inside, break the seal, and reach inside of Jesus and pull you out.
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Who can do that?
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If somebody can, then they're stronger than Jesus.
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And then he's not who he said he was.
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Yeah.
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So you're secure in him.
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There's an interesting thing about genetic code DNA.
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Everybody has one.
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And some of them are weirder than others.
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Right, right.
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Some of them's missing a couple strands.
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But think of it.
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Why is everybody looking at Drewett?
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Come on now.
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Think of it on a on a physical level that with that DNA, let's say, Morgan, you knowing your mom and dad very well in your relationship, but let's say that you did something that that you know they were very discouraged about, that you didn't please them the way that you should.
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I was about to say, can you just name a couple of things?
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Maybe one.
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Maybe one.
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This week.
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This week there's been six.
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Okay, but you have their DNA inside of you.
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No matter what you do, is there any way that that DNA can be taken out of your body?
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No, you're always part of them, no matter what happens.
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Well, how much more if we have the DNA of Christ in us through salvation?
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We are in him and he is in us, then what can separate us?
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That's right.
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Nothing.
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Nothing can separate us.
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I think we could bring all of this, you know, to a head here.
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We've talked about what Paul says, we've talked about the Old Testament, but what did Jesus say?
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Yeah.
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I think he's the final authority.
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And so in John chapter 15 and 16, Jesus has been in the upper room.
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He's washed the disciples' feet.
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He's instituted the Lord's Supper.
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He's talked to them, given them last words.
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Chapters 15, 16.
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Chapter 17, they leave the upper room, they go to the garden to pray.
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And so chapter 17 is Jesus praying to the Father.
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And so in chapter 17, verse 12, Jesus said, While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name.
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Those who you gave me, I have kept.
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And none of them is lost.
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So why don't we just stop with Jesus and his word that can we trust him?
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Do we believe his word?
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Yes or no?
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Okay, if we believe his word, then Jesus said to the Father, every single person that you've given me.
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Now understand everybody is chosen.
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God desires to save all men.
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They're chosen for salvation.
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But it's not until you repent and you believe that the Father then gives you to Jesus and you are in Christ.
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So at that point, Jesus says, all of them that you gave me all throughout history, every one of them, I have lost none.
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Yeah, wow.
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And I think that you okay, if i if you're listening to this and you you you had the question, am I am I I mean, what is it where does the Bible have to say this?
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Even if it said it just once, it was enough.
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Yes but we we but we have we we we're we've given you fifteen different books in the Bible that have gone over this.
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And they all have said the same thing.
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You know, like and if we wanted to, we could probably give you more.
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Of like, hey, here's here's 30 books in the Bible that will show you this is true, that you you don't lose your salvation, that the Lord has a tight grasp on you.
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We can walk that.
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But I I want to move to maybe this and maybe end here is if you still sit here and say, Well, I don't know, well, let's make it right.
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Let's make it right right now.
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Like, even right now, as you're listening, and here's what we believe is true.
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I mean, we believe that it's not, it's not works.
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Hey, if I'm just good enough or if I, if I just, if I do the right thing enough, then man, I will feel this way.
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You know, feelings are gonna be like a roller coaster, okay?
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So it's not about how you feel, it's what the Lord has said.
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And the Lord has said, if you believe and you confess, then you will be saved.
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It says if you believe in your heart and you confess with your mouth that I am the savior, that I am the Lord, and you believe that, I mean, I I died on the cross, that I that I came and I'm coming back for you, that I rose again.
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If you believe these things, you will be saved.
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And so we we believe that, hey, if you acknowledge these and you speak them out and you say, I'm changing my life, then you will be saved.
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That's the gospel, period.
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Yes.
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That's it.
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There's nothing else added to that.
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And so if you're sitting here, you can do one or two things.
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I'm I'm gonna ask Brother Phil if he would just lead a prayer of like, hey, if you don't know what to say, here's what I would like you to say.
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You know, here's a here's a start.
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And we don't believe a prayer saves your life, but that's how it begins as a conversation.
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And that's what prayer is a conversation with the Lord.
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And so if he would lead us in a prayer of if you don't know what to say, here here he would be a good look.
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You can copy this is what this is what I need to say.
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Or when we get finished with this, and hey man, the the podcast is off, just turn the radio off or or or or sit there in a room and just begin to have a conversation with the Lord.
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But this is what it would uh somewhat look like.
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And so, man, Dr.
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Phil, you don't mind starting off and saying, hey, this is this is this is a prayer that you would begin to start this conversation with.
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Yeah, be glad to.
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Yeah.
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Just I would acknowledge before the Father that he is a gracious God and that he loves me.
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And I thank him for his conviction and that he is inviting me, because he loves me, to come to him.
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And so I I repent of my sin of unbelief.
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I do believe that you are God and that you died for me on the cross, and so I believe that.
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And I turn from that unbelief and I turn to you.
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And so with that in mind, and with Jesus placing me inside of him, I want to thank him for that salvation because now I've been seated in Christ, and nothing can separate me from the Father.
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And so I rejoice in that.
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And so now with the power of the Holy Spirit residing in and through me, I want to now begin to grow, to understand more of who you are, God, and to live a life that is pleasing to you.
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And then I would end by just again thanking the Lord for his love, his salvation, and for his grace that he did for me what I could not ever do for myself.
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And so I pray this in the name, the powerful name of Jesus.
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Amen.
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Welcome to Off Script, a conversation with no fakes, no filters, just real conversations about how faith and flesh meet in the everyday life, where we experience a God who made us on purpose for his purpose.
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This is Off Script.
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Let's talk.
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Hey guys, welcome back to Offscript.
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I'm here with the whole team.
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Everybody's here.
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Yeah.
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Caleb, Truitt, and a very, very special guest, Phil Jones.
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And if you guys don't know Phil Jones, he is our pastoral care, prayer, restoration.
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Did I say all that right?
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You got it right.
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He does everything and he does it really well.
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And he's really just the best.
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Everybody calls him Dr.
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Phil.
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And so I need to ask a question about that.
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I'm going to come clean for a second.
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And I just want the honest answer.
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I'm not a doctor.
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I never went to school to be a doctor, or I don't know how long you got to go to do that.
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But I did tell Amazon I am a doctor.
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And so when Amazon delivers something to my house, it says Dr.
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Caleb Wade.
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So is that wrong or is that okay?
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I don't know.
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That's between you and the Lord.
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That is why we brought you here today.
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I guess I will change that now that I feel guilty.
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$50 of a book report to get you a doctor's.
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Okay.
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Well, well, Doc, we we brought you in today because this is a qu a question that we get a lot from students.
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And we're going to jump right into this because I think this topic, you know, will carry with it a lot of conversation.
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And where something might be a simple answer to us, to them, it is back and forth.
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And it is something that one conversation usually doesn't fix it.
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It's usually an everyday battle of do I know the Lord?
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Am I saved?
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And so we get a lot of questions, not just from middle school and high school students, but from parents.
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Hey, I I don't feel like I'm saved.
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I feel like I've lost my salvation.
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Can I lose my salvation?
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I used to be really close to the Lord and now I'm far away.
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I don't I don't know if I'm saved.
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Or you might get the total opposite.
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I've been saved my whole life.
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And you're like, well, when did you acknowledge who the Lord was and say, hey man, I'm gonna live for you.
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You're you're you're my savior.
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Oh, I've my whole life I've been that way.
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And so that we want to kind of open up how do I know that I'm saved?
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And you know, can I lose my salvation?
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And so if if somebody, and I would assume you deal with this with adults as well.
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So how do you even begin that conversation?
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Sure.
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Well, I think first of all, they have to always ask the question tell me about the time when you believe that you committed your life to Christ.
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Did you repent of your sin?
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Now, repentance is turning from something, turning from sin, and never again going back to it.
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So the sin that you repent of when you get saved is unbelief.
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You didn't believe that God was God, you didn't believe that Jesus was God, you didn't believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sin.
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Yeah.
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But now you do, and you believe that He is the only way that you can ever be saved.
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So you you repent of those beliefs, you turn from that, and now you believe in Jesus.
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Once once you've repented of that, you can never go back.
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Now that's a work that God does.
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You can't do that by yourself.
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Repentance is a hundred percent work of God.
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He does that in you.
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So can I ask you then?
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Okay, so when if if we get to that point, hey, you know, tell me about this experience.
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Tell me about when did you accept the Lord?
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When do you acknowledge him?
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And let's just say we're going over John 10 and we're like, hey man, they will they will know my voice.
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You know, that the the sheep will know the shepherd's voice.
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And like, well, I did that, but I don't hear his voice.
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Yeah.
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You know, so does that mean I'm not saved?
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No, because God speaks through his word.
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Yeah.
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I I do believe that there are times when he speaks in the spirit and you know, and will tell you things.
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Conviction, that's another thing I'll ask people, are you convicted of your sin?
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And they say, Well, yeah.
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And I say, Okay, then that's that's an evidence that you belong to God, because God doesn't convict unbelievers of sins.
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The only sin he convicts them of is that they don't believe.
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So, and Morgan might I feel like Morgan, usually there's two times a year, this is just an overload of conversation.
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Usually our two biggest events, we usually have conversations like this, but you'll see students that will they learn something new about the Lord.
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Yeah, you know, or they learn more about him.
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And just like anybody, the the more that you read about him, the more that you learn about him and know his ways, the dirtier you're gonna look.
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Right.
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It doesn't mean that you're lost.
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Right.
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You know, it it doesn't mean that he you don't know his voice.
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That's conviction.
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Yes, it just means you're learning more about who he is.
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Absolutely.
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And I it's this Isaiah moment, you know, that I feel like Morgan, you know, like you I know you have to walk through this a whole lot with with girls.
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And I mean, uh I same thing with guys.
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Like, how do you even get to the point of telling them, like, hey, you this is this is a good thing that you're learning who he is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think, Brother Phil, you probably have counseled this way more than we have, but I always go back to the four types of soil that Jesus gives in that parable in Matthew.
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I think it's 13.
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And just for y'all listening that are maybe not familiar with that story, I would say there's four different types of soil that the Lord gives.
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He gives one, the seeds that are along the path that are eventually just eaten up by the birds very quickly.
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The second one is rocky soil.
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There's no depth.
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And when the sun comes, it completely shivers up because there is no root to it.
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And then the next one is the thor the thorny soil, and the thorns just chokes them out so much so that the plant dies.
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And the last one is the good soil.
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And I always look at those.
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Would you rather which one of those is a worship leader you feel like the most?
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I'm just getting over.
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Okay, the good soil.
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The good soil.
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No, but I always look at those, you know, that really helps me understand, especially when a girl comes to me saying, Can I lose my salvation?
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I always look at those passages of, hey, is you can, you can never lose your salvation, but you can lose your emotion.
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There are so many times that we have with events that people will walk away and be like, Oh, I had such an emotional experience, but they didn't meet the Lord.
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They don't know the Lord and they walk away.
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You have so many cases of that at the weekend or camp.
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You have students that come and they're very emotional and they're very excited.
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And then two months later, they're not walking with the Lord.
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Great.
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Can I add something to that?
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And then you answer this.
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Okay, because you'll get the same thing with uh like for instance, last week, had two conversations.
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This hey, look, I don't know what if I'm saved.
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I can't stop looking at porn.
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And so how do how do I like I mean it's it's a struggle I've had for five years.
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I cannot, I cannot get over this.
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So I don't even know if I'm saved.
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I mean, you I think I get that quite a bit.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think it would go beyond what I talked about earlier about repentance from unbelief.
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Then as you grow as a Christian, God is going to convict you about specific sins.
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And that will be one of them.
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And that is an indication, somebody that's aware of that, to say, Well, I'm addicted to porn.
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That's a conviction that they know that's wrong.
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So that's something a work that God wants to do in them to remove that from their life.
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But they have to be willing to turn from it, to repent.
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And once they make the decision to turn, then then God will do the work.
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And and again, everything in the Christian life, when you look at it, it's all 100% God and 0% us.
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Salvation is that, for by grace you've been saved through faith, that not of yourself.
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It's a gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.
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I think about John 11, it's a beautiful picture of salvation where Jesus found out that that Lazarus had been, that he died.
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And so Jesus waits four days before he goes to Bethany, and then he goes to the tomb of Lazarus and calls him forth out of the dead.
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Now, let me ask you a question.
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Did Lazarus play any part in his resurrection?
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Sydney, answer the question.
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Why are you just sitting there?
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Yes or no?
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True, it's just sitting there too.
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He said you.
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I don't, I mean, that's a good question.
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I don't think so.
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I mean, he's dead.
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He's dead, right?
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So that's what I was gonna say.
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So Jesus did the work 100%.
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It was 100% of his grace, 0% from Lazarus.
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That's salvation.
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Salvation is not rescuing somebody who's drowning, it's resurrecting someone who's dead.
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Yeah, that's good.
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So you're 100% out of it.
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And so when you come to Christ, one of the phrases that's used in the New Testament, Paul used it over 75 times.
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It's probably a hundred and over a hundred in the New Testament.
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It's the word in Christ.
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Salvation, a lot of people refer to it as I'm asking Jesus to come into my life, specifically into my heart.
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Yeah.
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Salvation is not our invitation for Jesus to come into me.
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Salvation is Jesus' invitation for me to come into him.
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That's right, yeah.
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And so when he saves me, he places me in him.
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That's justification.
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And then the process of growth, sanctification, is now him coming into me.
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And that's what you're talking about, Caleb, of somebody that says, Well, I'm struggling with this area.
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Well, that's an area where Jesus wants to take control and come into that and control that.
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I would say that's like a um you mentioned Paul.
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Okay, in in Romans 7, I mean, he he's gonna lay out what we're you know, what you're saying.
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He's saying, Hey, why why do I keep doing the things that I don't want to do?
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Yeah, I I don't I'm I'm terrible.
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I'm you know, and it's just and I would say, you know, usually at an event or a Wednesday night or just a moment where somebody has been taught the word of God, they live in chapter seven, you know, and I if especially if they go to a Bible teaching, Bible believing church, they're gonna live in seven.
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And it's almost at some point you gotta it's seven, you need to read seven.
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You you you need to understand what sin is.
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But at some point you gotta get to chapter eight.
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And he says, Hey, there's no condemnation for those who are in the Lord.
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And and and those are things that it's hard to understand and grasp because we live in a world where you know it's it's this idea of you know, a sleepover versus adoption.
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What I mean by that is like, you know, if you sleep over at somebody's house, you know, you spend the night at somebody's house, okay.
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Well, you can leave when you want to, or you don't like you, you can, you know, when you when you're adopted, no matter what happens, you are a part of that family.
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Right.
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And there's moments and you can see in the Bible where the prodigal son, he's he leaves, he's with the pigs at one point.
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He he's still his son.
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Right.
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You know, and and I I think that's hard to get a grasp of because we want to be the doers and we want to love people and serve people to to you know to create these works where I'm I'm good enough.
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And the idea of accepting love is is difficult when you know that you're you're you're a sinner.
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Yeah, and I would say too, just to kind of add to that, I think it's what Brother Phil was saying from the beginning, it's not this guilt and shame, it's this conviction of sin, knowing that I have offended the Father.
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I'm not walking in accordance to his laws and his commandments.
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And I think, you know, going back to what I was talking about with the four soils, the difference is the Holy Spirit.
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I mean, I think it's Ephesians that talks about the Holy Spirit is the deposit that God has put in you.
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The guarantee, the seed.
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The guarantee.
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And even if you look at first John, I've had a lot of girls this summer that were struggling with doubt.
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And I love first John.
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I think you shared it with me first time, brother Phil, is it's a book of assurance.
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I'm writing these things that you may know, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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And one of the things that it talks about is the Holy Spirit.
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Do you have the Holy Spirit?
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Is it just guilt of Caleb?
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You talk about this all the time, the difference between guilt and conviction.
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Guilt is it's all about you.
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Yeah.
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It's all about you feeling guilty and you've done something wrong where conviction's all about God.
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It's all about I'm not walking in accordance to his laws.
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And I think many times when we look at the Old Testament too, you know, I don't know if you want to talk about that, Brother Phil.
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Like I think about so many people in the Old Testament, there was that temporary placing of the Holy Spirit because Christ had not come.
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Right.
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And you look at those kind of lives and you're like, whoa, what's going on there?
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You know, and it's because they did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them.
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What a gift that we live now after Christ's resurrection that we do have the Holy Spirit living in us.
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Right.
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The Holy Spirit would come on them for an appointed time to fulfill the will of God.
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Uh, speaking of the Old Testament, uh, one of my favorite examples is the life of David.
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In Psalm, and well, in second, in 2 Samuel 11, you know, David is confront is sins against God with Bathsheba, has Uriah killed.
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And then in chapter 12, he is confronted by Nathan.
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So as a result of that confrontation, that conviction of the Spirit of God.
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In Psalm 51, David uh records his confession.
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And in verse 12, David says, Restore to me the joy of your salvation.
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He didn't say, Give me back my salvation.
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He said, Restore, you know, bring it back to life, rekindle it, you know.
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But notice he said, Restore to me the joy of your salvation.
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He didn't say my salvation.
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So that's one thing we need to understand.
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Salvation is not mine, it's God's that he gives to me.
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I would also when I feel like people ask this question, it's it's usually coming out of a season of darkness where something has not been satisfied.
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You know, and the the Bible teaches you that the Lord does not satisfy the desires of the wicked, you know, which means if you think that, you know, a a drug is going to satisfy you, the Lord's not going to allow it to satisfy you.
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You know, like if a a relationship or a girl or sex, because usually if somebody says, Hey, I've got a, you know, I can't stop looking at porn and me and I've been dating this girl, I'm like, Well, I already know what you're doing, you know, like it that you're just having, you're having sex with her, aren't you?
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And they're just like, huh?
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And I'm like, Yeah, you well, just say, just say what what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, it's usually coming out of a season of of or moment of extreme darkness where you're not being satisfied.
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And I think that is where, you know, the soul craves to be satisfied.
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And the only thing that can get that is the Lord.
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And many times as you as you learn about who the Lord is, you're gonna have these moments where, I mean, even Isaiah, who is a prophet of the Lord, who is far better than any of us talking on here, and far better than any of us listening, you know, he even looked at the glory of the Lord and said, I am lost.
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I am, I'm a man of unclean lips.
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I've seen and I, you know, like, and it is one of those moments we're like, he's not lost.
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Like, I I mean, look at him.
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He's awesome.
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You know, there's no way.
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And even in the that moment, the Lord doesn't look at him and say, you know what, you're right, depart from me.
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He looks at him and says, Hey, hey, I need somebody to go who will go.
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And he says, Hey, send me, right?
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I will go.
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And it's almost like people want to sneak their way to the altar where the Lord doesn't see them.
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You know, if I could just creep my way up there, he doesn't know I'm up here.
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I'll just quietly ask for forgiveness and then walk away.
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Or let me fix something before I come back to him.
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And the Lord says, No, no, no, you you come now and and and come to me broken.
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You know, come to me now.
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Yeah.
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And there's always that desire of the soul to want to be satisfied instead of allowing some hole that you have to be filled with something in this world, you know.
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And I think that is usually the season people ask these questions.
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How do I know I'm saved?
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I got baptized three times at camp.
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Yeah.
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You know, but I'm still having sex.
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I got baptized, you know, last year, but yet, you know, like I'm I'm still doing, and then you fill in the blank with whatever sin that is, you know, that they they can't get away from.
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Well, I think that's an evidence of salvation that they're concerned about because if they weren't, that would be no big deal.
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Yeah.
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It'd be none whatsoever.
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But getting to the point of, you know, can I lose my salvation?
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You know, the answer is no biblically.
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You were talking about Romans 7 and then Romans 8, you know, and so Paul had asked the question there, who can who can separate us from the love of God?
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And so he lists a lot of different things.
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And then he says, none of that can ever separate us from the love of God.
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And then people say, Well, but that's the love.
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God loves everybody.
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No, but it's implying a relationship.
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It's a love relationship that you're having with God.
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So when you establish that love relationship through Jesus, there is absolutely nothing that can separate you from that because again, you are in Christ.
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You've been seated in Him.
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And so if you're placed inside of Christ and you're sealed with the Holy Spirit, then tell me who is able to reach inside, break the seal, and reach inside of Jesus and pull you out.
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Who can do that?
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If somebody can, then they're stronger than Jesus.
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And then he's not who he said he was.
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Yeah.
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So you're secure in him.
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There's an interesting thing about genetic code DNA.
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Everybody has one.
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And some of them are weirder than others.
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Right, right.
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Some of them's missing a couple strands.
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But think of it.
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Why is everybody looking at Drewett?
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Come on now.
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Think of it on a on a physical level that with that DNA, let's say, Morgan, you knowing your mom and dad very well in your relationship, but let's say that you did something that that you know they were very discouraged about, that you didn't please them the way that you should.
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I was about to say, can you just name a couple of things?
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Maybe one.
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Maybe one.
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This week.
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This week there's been six.
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Okay, but you have their DNA inside of you.
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No matter what you do, is there any way that that DNA can be taken out of your body?
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No, you're always part of them, no matter what happens.
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Well, how much more if we have the DNA of Christ in us through salvation?
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We are in him and he is in us, then what can separate us?
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That's right.
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Nothing.
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Nothing can separate us.
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I think we could bring all of this, you know, to a head here.
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We've talked about what Paul says, we've talked about the Old Testament, but what did Jesus say?
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Yeah.
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I think he's the final authority.
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And so in John chapter 15 and 16, Jesus has been in the upper room.
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He's washed the disciples' feet.
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He's instituted the Lord's Supper.
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He's talked to them, given them last words.
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Chapters 15, 16.
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Chapter 17, they leave the upper room, they go to the garden to pray.
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And so chapter 17 is Jesus praying to the Father.
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And so in chapter 17, verse 12, Jesus said, While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name.
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Those who you gave me, I have kept.
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And none of them is lost.
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So why don't we just stop with Jesus and his word that can we trust him?
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Do we believe his word?
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Yes or no?
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Okay, if we believe his word, then Jesus said to the Father, every single person that you've given me.
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Now understand everybody is chosen.
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God desires to save all men.
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They're chosen for salvation.
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But it's not until you repent and you believe that the Father then gives you to Jesus and you are in Christ.
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So at that point, Jesus says, all of them that you gave me all throughout history, every one of them, I have lost none.
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Yeah, wow.
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And I think that you okay, if i if you're listening to this and you you you had the question, am I am I I mean, what is it where does the Bible have to say this?
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Even if it said it just once, it was enough.
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Yes but we we but we have we we we're we've given you fifteen different books in the Bible that have gone over this.
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And they all have said the same thing.
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You know, like and if we wanted to, we could probably give you more.
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Of like, hey, here's here's 30 books in the Bible that will show you this is true, that you you don't lose your salvation, that the Lord has a tight grasp on you.
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We can walk that.
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But I I want to move to maybe this and maybe end here is if you still sit here and say, Well, I don't know, well, let's make it right.
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Let's make it right right now.
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Like, even right now, as you're listening, and here's what we believe is true.
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I mean, we believe that it's not, it's not works.
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Hey, if I'm just good enough or if I, if I just, if I do the right thing enough, then man, I will feel this way.
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You know, feelings are gonna be like a roller coaster, okay?
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So it's not about how you feel, it's what the Lord has said.
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And the Lord has said, if you believe and you confess, then you will be saved.
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It says if you believe in your heart and you confess with your mouth that I am the savior, that I am the Lord, and you believe that, I mean, I I died on the cross, that I that I came and I'm coming back for you, that I rose again.
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If you believe these things, you will be saved.
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And so we we believe that, hey, if you acknowledge these and you speak them out and you say, I'm changing my life, then you will be saved.
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That's the gospel, period.
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Yes.
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That's it.
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There's nothing else added to that.
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And so if you're sitting here, you can do one or two things.
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I'm I'm gonna ask Brother Phil if he would just lead a prayer of like, hey, if you don't know what to say, here's what I would like you to say.
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You know, here's a here's a start.
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And we don't believe a prayer saves your life, but that's how it begins as a conversation.
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And that's what prayer is a conversation with the Lord.
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And so if he would lead us in a prayer of if you don't know what to say, here here he would be a good look.
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You can copy this is what this is what I need to say.
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Or when we get finished with this, and hey man, the the podcast is off, just turn the radio off or or or or sit there in a room and just begin to have a conversation with the Lord.
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But this is what it would uh somewhat look like.
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And so, man, Dr.
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Phil, you don't mind starting off and saying, hey, this is this is this is a prayer that you would begin to start this conversation with.
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Yeah, be glad to.
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Yeah.
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Just I would acknowledge before the Father that he is a gracious God and that he loves me.
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And I thank him for his conviction and that he is inviting me, because he loves me, to come to him.
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And so I I repent of my sin of unbelief.
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I do believe that you are God and that you died for me on the cross, and so I believe that.
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And I turn from that unbelief and I turn to you.
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And so with that in mind, and with Jesus placing me inside of him, I want to thank him for that salvation because now I've been seated in Christ, and nothing can separate me from the Father.
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And so I rejoice in that.
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And so now with the power of the Holy Spirit residing in and through me, I want to now begin to grow, to understand more of who you are, God, and to live a life that is pleasing to you.
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And then I would end by just again thanking the Lord for his love, his salvation, and for his grace that he did for me what I could not ever do for myself.
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And so I pray this in the name, the powerful name of Jesus.
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Amen.
