Would You Fall for These Marketing Lies? | MLMs, Timeshares & More

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Anne Genduso: She's in debt, she hasn't
made a cent, and she's convinced this
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business will make her a multimillionaire.
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Welcome to Nothing Felt Wrong, where
we share stories about scams, deception,
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and manipulation, and how ordinary
people get pulled into situations
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that feel believable until suddenly,
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they don't I'm Anne Genduso, and if
you're fascinated by deception and
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human behavior, take a seat next to me
here at the Side- Eye Society We like
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to think we're buying things because
they're useful or we simply want them.
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But often we're buying the story
around a product or service.
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It can be the lifestyle aspiration,
the identity, the promise, or even the
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trust we attach to the name on the box.
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And it isn't always what it seems.
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Today we're looking at three Reddit
stories where marketing may have been
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more powerful than the thing being sold.
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Joining us is someone who spent
over a decade building marketing
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and advertising campaigns.
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Now she peels back the curtain that
covers marketing deception and advertising
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lies, and traces them back to where they
start in her podcast, Lies We Bought.
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Join me in welcoming Emily Rask.
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So Emily, thank you so
much for joining me today.
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I'm so excited to have you
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here
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Emily Rask: Thank you
so much for having me.
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I'm so excited.
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I have not done this with Reddit stories
yet, so I'm really excited to hear them.
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I've seen a couple of podcasts
where they do it, and then that
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you, like, get the reaction after.
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So can't wait to see
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Anne Genduso: It'll be fun,
and the best part is you don't
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know what these stories are,
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Emily Rask: I do not.
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Anne Genduso: before.
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and we absolutely love your podcast.
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It's amazing.
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So before we jump into the Reddit stories,
I'd love to hear from you what are some
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of the biggest lies we've been sold?
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Emily Rask: Oh my goodness.
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There's so many.
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I feel like every time that I come up,
not come up with a new one or, like when
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I'm starting to research 'cause there are
so many slogans or cultural moments that
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have happened that you're just like, "Oh
yeah, I'm so used to this," or whatever.
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And then when I start actually
researching it and being like, is
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this going to make for a good episode?
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I just … I'm getting so much
more angry the more that I do this
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because it's like I feel like I'm
ruining people's childhoods which
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is w- I just started a new campaign
about ruining people's childhoods.
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Um, but I mean, so y- My first ep-
episode that I ever did was Breakfast
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Is The Most Important Meal Of The Day.
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It was created by Edward Bernays who
was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and
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he's the father of public relations.
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You know, he did things like, um,
he worked with Lucky Strike and
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did, Torches of Freedom where for
an Easter day parade he had women
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that he hired, even one of them was
his, uh, assistant or his secretary.
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That's what they called them back then.
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Um, and then he hired the press, and he
had these women walk in an Easter parade
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smoking cigarettes, and then he was
like try to make it this whole feminist
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movement of like, look, you're free now.
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These are torches of freedom
because back then it was frowned
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upon for women to smoke in public.
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So Lucky Strike was missing
out on half of the demographic.
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So of course what are they gonna do?
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They're gonna make it look like it's
completely acceptable now to smoke in
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public, and make it like this whole
feminist movement when in reality it was
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a, it was a public relations campaign.
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the first episode I did was Breakfast
Is The Most Important Meal Of
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The Day which he coined that term
because he was trying to sell bacon
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for Beech-Nut Packing Company.
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And so he went to doctors, and
he was like, "Would you say
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a hearty breakfast is good?"
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And they were like, "Well,
yeah." He's like, " Ah, see.
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It's good." And so then he started
saying it, and also coined the term,
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like four out of five doctors recommend.
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That was him as well.
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Um , and then I think one of
the more recent ones Is probably
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This Is Your Brain on Drugs.
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just because for the fact I do have
people in my life that are sober that I
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love very dearly, and there are so many
mechanisms when it comes to addiction
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and w- why people have it, like, you
know, trauma or mental illness or
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whatever it is, a coping mechanism or
what- ever it is that they're doing.
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And to learn that it wasn't,
like, thoughtfully a put together
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campaign, because they closed
the door on the question, right?
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It's like, um, "Any questions?" is
the very last line that they use, and
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that's not like a… That's not like
a, like, this is your brain, this is
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drugs, this is your brain on drugs.
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Any questions?
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That's not an open-ended question.
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That's like a no, this is your brain
on drugs, you're not gonna do it.
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But it was a bunch of admin on Madison
Avenue that created it, and they wanted
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to sell sobriety the same way that they
sold cars or deodorant or whatever it was.
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They didn't go to neuroscientists.
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They didn't go to doctors who
specialized in mental health.
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And there's a lot of campaigns
that are like that that haven't
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done research or talked to people.
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Um, and so that one
kind of opened my eyes.
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I was like, oh.
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And then they're a bunch of ad men
so they got billions of dollars of
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free advertisement with NBC, CBS,
all these newspapers, and then they
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were getting paid by the legal drug
companies like the tobacco companies,
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the pharmaceutical companies.
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All of these companies were paying
them money to continue to do it.
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So it's like it's so backhand-
Like it's … It made me really
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mad just to see . I get…
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Anne Genduso: Right.
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It is.
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It's,
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'cause you think that
like it's genuine and, and
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Emily Rask: Ja
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Anne Genduso: seeing those commercials
when I was a kid, and it w- well, I will
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tell you, it scared the crap out of me.
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So like, I was just like, "Okay. Oh
my gosh, there's a fried egg." And
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Emily Rask: Sure
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Anne Genduso: But to know that
there was no true, data behind…
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Like, you know what I mean?
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Emily Rask: Yeah
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Anne Genduso: was illustrative for sure,
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Emily Rask: Yeah
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Anne Genduso: know that they were
just kinda doing it and, and then
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seeing all the, uh, what I'm, what
I'm calling as lobbying behind
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Emily Rask: Sure.
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Yeah.
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Anne Genduso: From, Big
Tobacco and all that.
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Emily Rask: but the other thing is, is
that it's also harmful to do something
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like that because if you're a kid and
you're like, "Oh man, my brain's gonna fry
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if I try a drug," and then they smoke weed
and they're like, "Wait, my brain didn't
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fry." you're like, "I'm dead." You know?
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Yeah, but yeah, and like, I mean, they're
doing the same thing with vaping now.
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Um- Yes … again, there are things
that can kill you or like fentanyl,
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like it's all gonna be fear marketing.
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Yes, they can absolutely kill you,
but there's so mu- I, I don't have
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the answer to what they should do
because I'm not a scientist or a
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neuroscientist or anything like that,
but they should, uh, do campaigns much
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differently instead of fear marketing.
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I've said this before,
fear marketing is so lazy.
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It's so lazy.
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Like, I'm gonna make you so scared
that you're not gonna wanna do it.
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I'm like, boring.
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Try something new
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Anne Genduso: Well, and then of course
when I was scared as a kid, I'm thinking
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back to that campaign where like I was
scared at the time when I was really
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little, but then when you're older
you're just like, "Okay, whatever,"
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and you kind of roll your eyes at
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Emily Rask: Yeah
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Anne Genduso: it's like, it doesn't
even really, necessarily gonna
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work the way they want them to
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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Yeah, but if some, if a kid does
smoke weed and they're like,
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"Ah, my brain didn't fry, so
heroin's gonna be fine." So,
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Anne Genduso: or s- yes.
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Emily Rask: so that's, that's the problem
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Anne Genduso: they could, they could
do it and they could say, "Well,
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I've already messed up now, so what's
the point? Let's go to heroin."
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Emily Rask: Yeah
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Anne Genduso: You know what I mean?
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Like, I've messed up with weed, so who
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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I need something more that's going
to numb what's going on instead of
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addressing the issue of why I do it.
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So
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Anne Genduso: Oh, fear marketing.
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That's used a lot, and we, as we
know, and we'll be getting into today,
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there's different-- The whole point is,
right, drawing on different emotions.
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can be a very strong, powerful
motivator, um, but there's so many
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other ones too, and it can be positive.
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It can be aspirational too.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I love honest marketing.
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I just did a little story.
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Um like I, like I said, I'm launching
the I'm Gonna Ruin Your Childhood.
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I did it on uh carrots and how carrots
are supposed to make you see at night
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. And I was like, "This is the coolest
story." But I like-- that's fun marketing.
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I mean, you're definitely lying to
people, and yes, carrots are benefit,
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like benefit you, and if you're
deficient in vitamin A then you're
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not gonna see as well at night.
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But like stories are cool.
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I like that they build stuff to
like trick people in that aspect
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'cause it's kinda funny now.
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But yeah, there's other stuff like Oatly.
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Oatly, I like their honest marketing.
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They built a page and it's fckoatley.com
and every single let's say transgression
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or whatever that they've been caught
in, like they worked with BlackRock for
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a minute so they're like, "We worked
with BlackRock and here is all the
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information," and they literally spell out
every single thing that people have gone
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ag- like been like, "You did this and you
did that", and they're like, "Here it is.
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It's right here.
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Go ahead and look at it" and
they give all the information.
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And for me I'm like, I love that.
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Like no matter how you feel about the
company, they're giving it all to you
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and they're not hiding anything, so
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the transparency.
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I didn't know that.
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Thank you for sharing that.
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I'm gonna have to look into that now.
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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Anne Genduso: Wow.
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So they give it to you, and
they don't necessarily apologize
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for it though either, right?
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Or are they saying like, "This is
what happened, and now we're doing
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something differently," or do they
just say, "This is what happened"?
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Emily Rask: I think it's more kind of like
my show where they're like, "Here are the
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facts, you can decide for yourself." So
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Anne Genduso: Okay.
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Emily Rask: I think it's
more along those lines.
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Because anything can be
construed any way, right?
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Like, you're gonna see coconut oil
is so bad for you, and then it's
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like, okay, who paid for that study?
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And it's like, oh, the canola
oil company paid for that study.
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You can buy any, you can
buy any headline honestly.
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Anne Genduso: this is new.
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That's the, that's the
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that's like so fascinating in watching
your podcast and, and like listening I
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mean, been doing this for years, right?
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Pharma companies have been doing
it… Uh, I think it as far back as--
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I mean, it's gotta be farther than
this, but I know remember like reading
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about things from the 1800s that
they were commissioning studies to
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have things come out in their favor.
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Emily Rask: Sure.
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Anne Genduso: where it's kind
of fun to look back, and I wish
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we had more documentation 'cause
I'm sure like the ancient Romans
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were probably doing this just in
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Emily Rask: Oh, sure.
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Anne Genduso: but obviously we don't
have all that, uh, documentation
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that we can look back and, and
say how long it's been happening.
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Emily Rask: Well, even all the stories.
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I mean with history like whose
perspective was this told from?
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Like who… You know what I mean?
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'Cause everybody has a
different perspective.
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That's why maybe, I mean The Bible,
I haven't- I, I grew up Mormon but I
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haven't read The Bible in, in years.
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But I mean they do have the different
perspectives in The Old Testament of
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all of the different like Matthew,
Mark, Luke and so those are different
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perspectives and they're, they're
kind of similar but again, yeah
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Anne Genduso: Yeah, it's fascinating.
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all right, well, let's dig in
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okay, so story number one is entitled:
When Did Hiking Trails Become a
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Place to Recruit MLM Customers?
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this source was from Reddit
user alternative-volts435.
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Okay, they say, "Was finishing up a
hike last weekend, taking some shots
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of the view before heading back down.
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My was doing his usual thing, being
extremely photogenic without trying.
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A woman stopped to pet him, which is
normal, happens all the time on trails.
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But within two minutes she had gone from
asking about his breed to telling me
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she works from anywhere she wants and
just got back from a retreat in Sedona.
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I did not ask about any of this.
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Then came the part about how she sells
supplements that help with energy
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and joint health, and she was looking
at my dog when she said the joint
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health She was pitching pet wellness
products through her Plexus business.
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She handed me a card with her name
and a QR code and said something
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about how people who love the outdoors
make the best brand partners because
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they have an authentic lifestyle.
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The trail was the audience.
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My dog was the prop.
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I was the lead she was qualifying.
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I've noticed this is becoming a
specific tactic, finding people
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mid-hobby when their guard is down,
and they're visibly enjoying something.
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It's harder to brush off when
someone just pet your dog.
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Has anyone else gotten cornered like
this somewhere that felt like genuinely
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off limits context for a sales pitch?
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Emily Rask: Oh my gosh,
I'm already fired up.
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Tell me more.
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99.9% hate supplement companies,
and I 100% hate L- MLMs.
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Man, MLMs are so good at marketing and
they take the most vulnerable people who--
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They sell them this future of like, "If
you sell this many supplements you're
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gonna have this l- like lavish grand
life. Like look how good my life is."
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And then 99% of them actually end up
spending money instead of making money.
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There is a person very close to me in
my life, and I absolutely love her, and
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she falls for this over and over and
over again, and they are getting very,
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very smart about how they're marketing.
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Her, um, uh, manager or whatever that
they're called, the person that's above
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them on the pyramid, uh, wanted her to use
the life story 'cause I have, um, foster
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siblings and I was, uh, taken out of the
home and put in her home, and th- they
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wanted to use all of our stories to sell
her supplements, and I shut that down so
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fast because I was like, "This is insane.
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We have never publicly spoken about
this, and you're gonna use my childhood
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or my life to sell a product that I
don't believe in." And it's very sick
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because they make it sound so good, and
so now they're trying new tactics and
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I've never heard of them doing this.
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And to me as a marketer I'm like that is
brilliant because you're going to somebody
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in their environment where they're like,
"Oh someone likes my dogs," and it's
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like, " Well if you really like your dog
then this is what you should be doing to
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make sure that your dog gets the best."
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Like it-- That's, like, that's
like guilt marketing, right?
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It's like, "If you don't do this
for your dog then your dog is gonna
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be… Like maybe he's gonna have
joint pain or maybe this." Ja,
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And the, the problem that I have
with supplement companies is that
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they are not regulated by the FDA.
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The FDA does not come into supplement
companies until somebody dies or
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somebody gets hurt or whatever it is.
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You can go from having an idea for a
supplement to having it on the shelf in
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three months, and if it's a proprietary
blend you don't even have to put on
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what is in th- what, what is even in it.
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So you can say it's a proprietary blend.
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So people could be allergic to a factor
that's actually in the supplements
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not knowing because they're not
saying the amount that's in it.
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Um, they can also say it's got
ginseng in it, and yeah there could
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be but there's like such a small
amount that it doesn't do anything
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and most of it's just caffeine.
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A lot of the supplements also come
from like India or China and they
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come from warehouses that are really
bad, and most of them are just
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like prepackaged or packaged and
then somebody puts a label on it.
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It's kinda like Alibaba.
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Um, and so if you d- if you do
buy supplements, because I do take
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supplements, I live in Washington
State, I have to take vitamin D. There's
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like - the sun does not reach here.
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But if you do, if you look for
like NSF or USP stamps on it,
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that means that they were tested
and what's in them is accurate.
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I, I did a whole episode on supplements
and I'm- and now my, my husband's like,
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"I'm gonna go get some ashwagandha."
I'm like, "Give me your package
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and let me see," and I was like,
"Nope, you're buying this one now."
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Anne Genduso: He's lucky
to have you though, right?
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'Cause like you know all this.
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'Cause this is so… I think the
average person doesn't realize it.
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And then there's also the things
that are kinda like supplements,
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but they are marketed as food,
like for example, Orgain.
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I was drinking Orgain, which
is like the protein powder,
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my coffee every single day.
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every day because I was like,
"Oh, easy way to get more
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protein," blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Did it every day.
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And they, you know, I didn't
realize it fell under the supplement
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category not the food category,
and therefore wasn't regulated and
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sorts of things that came
out last November about like
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heavy metals being in them.
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And now there's a current lawsuit, against
Costco in particular, which I'm not sure
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why, but there's a class action against
them for carrying it, um, misrepresenting
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saying it was something healthy for
you when there's heavy metals in it.
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So needless to say, I do not
currently have Orgain anymore.
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But that's the thing, like I don't know.
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It could be fine or it could be like
small amounts, but it's like you
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just don't even know what to trust.
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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Well, that's why like it's hard for my
show and everybody's like, "Why don't
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you have sponsors yet?" I'm like, "'Cause
I'm so picky." I have turned down so
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many sponsors, and most of them have
been supplements, and I'm literally-- I
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literally will reply back with my episode.
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Like, you didn't do
much research, did you?
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I don't like supplements.
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They're… Yes, I take them, but
they are like verified supplements.
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I'm also pissed off because Thorne just
sold too, and that's what I used to
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use.
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Not saying typically when like Proc-
Procter & Gamble had purchased them.
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So bigger company, it's the same
thing with like any food, right?
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So like I know.
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massive sp- Pepsi or whoever owns all
of the spaghetti, they purchased -- I
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can't remember who purchased Rose.
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Rouse?
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R-A, R-… Yes, I
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I was so excited.
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They got, they got purchased,
and it's like they don't care how
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much money they're spending on it
because no matter where you go in
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the pasta aisle, you're still gonna
be buying their s- their supply.
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So gonna be cheaper.
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They're gonna have to make up
their profits, so all of the
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ingredients are gonna be cheaper.
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It's not gonna be the same.
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This happens every time
something gets purchased.
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So yeah.
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So now I'm like, oh crap, Thorne.
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Like here we go, because it's
going to Proctor & Gamble.
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But Okay.
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Oh, well, you heard it here.
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Thank you, Emily, for
giving us that scoop.
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I didn't
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Yeah.
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Just look for y- for USP or
NSF And you're, you're pre-
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You're typically pretty safe
because those have been tested.
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Um, I'm wondering if Costco is getting
sued because there was a while ago,
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and I believe it was the New York State
attorney, they actually … And it was
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a huge article where they went to like
GNC and Walmart and a couple of other
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places and they were testing materials
that were in the actual capsules.
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And instead of St John's
wort it was beetroot powder.
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And so they were putting different
things in there and not saying… There
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was like no St John's Wort in there.
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And so people who might be
allergic to beets could die.
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don't… Right.
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Yeah, or get sick like 'cause
you're slowly dosing yourself
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every single day but um, yeah
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Anne Genduso: Yeah, it's scary.
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Um, but yeah, like I think this, this
meeting somebody on the trail where you're
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literally hiking, your guard's down,
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Emily Rask: Yes
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Anne Genduso: that would
be so invasive to me.
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I'd be very mad actually if
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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Well, I don't know.
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These days my guard's way up, so
I'd be like, "Who's approaching me?"
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Anne Genduso: I think that when
you're in your happy place, when
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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Anne Genduso: when you're either
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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Anne Genduso: that's, that is
the place my guard would go down.
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I'd be like, "What?" But, "Oh, wait."
' Cause I already get hit up looking at
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my phone by, like, spam constantly.
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just
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Emily Rask: Yep
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Anne Genduso: sales opportunity,
another spam coming at me,
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now it's in person, and I'm
just trying to walk my dog.
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
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I would just start yelling, "Not
friendly," 'cause I have pit bulls.
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I don't wanna talk to anybody.
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Anne Genduso: I should do that.
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Although my dog is like a chihuahua
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Emily Rask: mix, so it's
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Oh.
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Yeah, that's a little different.
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My dogs, uh, I mean, well, chihuahuas
do bite more than pit bulls.
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I- that is a, that,
there is a study on that.
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Be like, "She's not
friendly." And meanwhile
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Right?
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Be like, "Yeah, come touch me."
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my goodness well let's, let's move on.
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Anne Genduso: Oh, wait,
I did have a comment.
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I have to tell you 'cause there
was a comment on this one.
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was hilarious.
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Emily Rask: Okay
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There was a comment that somebody wrote
in there, and they said, "Where I live
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in the US, bears are venturing into the
cities more often because of drought in
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the mountains reducing their food supply.
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This would be the reverse.
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The Huns have overrun the aisles
of Walmart and Target, so they are
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having to move into the mountains
to find new customers and recruits.
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Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
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Yeah, that's very true
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Anne Genduso: Also, I think it's-- I
didn't know until seeing, 'cause I,
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when I was doing the research here,
I didn't realize people call people
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who do MLMs huns, like H-U-N-S.
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hadn't
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Emily Rask: I didn't either.
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Ma- and I wonder why they call them huns.
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Do you think it's because, like,
your long lost person that you went
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to high school with suddenly, like,
pops up on your Facebook Messenger
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and is like, "Hey hun, how you doing?
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Been a long say
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they think I'm fun all the
time to be friends with you.
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Yeah, that's funny.
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I've never heard them called that.
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I'm gonna have to look that up.
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I am gonna do an episode on MLMs, Hmm.
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so do a whole series on that.
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Ja.
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Anne Genduso: love it.
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All right, so this is story number
two, and it is entitled Can Anyone
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Tell Me Anything About Impact Global?
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And the source is Reddit
user CarlSolomonViolets.
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And they said: My sister is working
for Impact Global, and she's trying
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to tell me how great it is and how
it's not a scam, and it's a good MLM,
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etc. I've tried to tell her it's the
same as all the others she's done.
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This is her third network
marketing/travel and wellness business
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she's owned, in quotes, in two years.
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I cannot find anything about them online
aside from a brief mention on another
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post in this sub and social media of
other people pushing this company.
457
00:21:12,155 --> 00:21:17,105
I need info, stories because she seems
to think that this is so great, but
458
00:21:17,105 --> 00:21:21,745
she's taking out loans and going into
debt for their products and mandatory
459
00:21:21,745 --> 00:21:26,325
business trips, the while has kids
at home and is living on assistance
460
00:21:26,365 --> 00:21:30,275
and handouts from the few people she
can scam from as the only income.
461
00:21:30,617 --> 00:21:34,705
I'm trying to prove to her that it's
not legit, and she's not going to be a
462
00:21:34,705 --> 00:21:39,055
multimillionaire in five years by doing
all this like they convinced her she will.
463
00:21:39,885 --> 00:21:42,441
And she and her partner
will need to get legit jobs.
464
00:21:42,441 --> 00:21:46,181
She won't listen to me because
I couldn't find much of anything
465
00:21:46,181 --> 00:21:47,051
when I was looking it up.
466
00:21:47,361 --> 00:21:51,238
So according to her, that just shows
how legitimate it since there aren't
467
00:21:51,308 --> 00:21:52,868
any negative reviews or posts.
468
00:21:53,295 --> 00:21:57,785
Even without having made a cent
and only going into debt in the
469
00:21:57,785 --> 00:21:59,795
near year she's been doing this
470
00:22:00,158 --> 00:22:02,308
Emily Rask: Yeah, you're never
gonna convince them otherwise.
471
00:22:02,308 --> 00:22:03,228
I've tried for years.
472
00:22:03,308 --> 00:22:05,688
I mean, it's cultish, right?
473
00:22:05,748 --> 00:22:09,088
It's the whole… I'm sure that they
use the… I know that there's lines.
474
00:22:09,088 --> 00:22:11,888
I don't know the lines 'cause I've never
done it, and I don't let people use lines
475
00:22:11,888 --> 00:22:13,838
on me that have done it in my family.
476
00:22:14,248 --> 00:22:17,808
Um, but it's like you gotta spend money
to make money, you know what I mean?
477
00:22:17,908 --> 00:22:21,718
Like, you just have to… You know,
you have to, you have to buy, and then
478
00:22:21,728 --> 00:22:25,088
when you get more people, like you're
such a friendly person, you kind of
479
00:22:25,088 --> 00:22:28,438
like have to like buff them up and be
like, " No, you're so great at this.
480
00:22:28,438 --> 00:22:29,118
You're doing well."
481
00:22:29,128 --> 00:22:34,198
Like, "This is what you can do, and this
is what you can do." Um, yeah, I, uh…
482
00:22:34,768 --> 00:22:38,858
That's really sad because I felt whoever
wrote that, because of my family member
483
00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:41,788
that does it, I'm just like I totally
know exactly how they're feeling 'Cause
484
00:22:41,788 --> 00:22:45,508
you, you just wanna shake them and be
like, "They are taking advantage of your
485
00:22:45,508 --> 00:22:49,818
vulnerability," because this person is
having a really hard time financially.
486
00:22:49,978 --> 00:22:54,098
And in their head, they are going to
make so much money from this because
487
00:22:54,098 --> 00:22:57,558
they're gonna b- like be able to sell
so much because of how they feel.
488
00:22:58,008 --> 00:23:00,738
I think that most of them are
placebo effects which is… Look,
489
00:23:01,068 --> 00:23:05,078
if it makes you happy, if it makes
you feel good, I am all for that.
490
00:23:05,198 --> 00:23:07,878
I'm all for people being happy
and like finding something
491
00:23:07,878 --> 00:23:09,108
that helps them lose weight.
492
00:23:09,298 --> 00:23:12,518
But like you're taking a supplement and
then they say, "Okay, but you need to
493
00:23:12,518 --> 00:23:15,138
eat this every day, and then you need
to go for a walk every day" And I'm like
494
00:23:15,348 --> 00:23:18,568
what is the part that you changed in
your life besides taking the supplement?
495
00:23:18,578 --> 00:23:19,948
Was it eating differently?
496
00:23:20,098 --> 00:23:23,068
Was it going for a walk outside
and like clearing your brain?
497
00:23:23,228 --> 00:23:26,128
Because those are really
good things by themselves.
498
00:23:26,198 --> 00:23:30,248
And so there's always the stipulation
of like here take this, but you
499
00:23:30,248 --> 00:23:33,348
also have to add these things onto
it, and that's why you feel good.
500
00:23:33,668 --> 00:23:37,688
I'm not saying that there aren't, there
isn't stuff out there, but I would say
501
00:23:37,718 --> 00:23:41,628
again 99.9% of the time probably not.
502
00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:47,350
Anne Genduso: Yeah do you think makes
people, what is the marketing, like
503
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:50,390
the messaging that they're doing
that makes people wanna come back
504
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,900
and do, try a different one if they
don't… Like, this is the third one
505
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:54,950
that this user's sister has done.
506
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,850
Like, and you said your
family member has done it.
507
00:23:57,108 --> 00:23:57,428
Emily Rask: Ja
508
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:59,290
Anne Genduso: it is
that, like, is appealing?
509
00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:00,750
Is it, is it just that hope?
510
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:01,020
A-
511
00:24:01,556 --> 00:24:01,916
Emily Rask: Ja
512
00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:03,350
Anne Genduso: and they're just
like, "Well, that pro- that one
513
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:04,660
didn't work, but this one will?"
514
00:24:05,076 --> 00:24:06,556
Emily Rask: Yeah, I would think so.
515
00:24:06,646 --> 00:24:07,936
I would absolutely think so.
516
00:24:07,956 --> 00:24:12,316
I also have found, um, in
researching… Like, I haven't
517
00:24:12,326 --> 00:24:17,346
fully researched it, but that a lot
of times they are s- stay-at-home
518
00:24:17,346 --> 00:24:19,146
moms, so it's a side job, right?
519
00:24:19,176 --> 00:24:22,356
That can help bring in extra money so
that it doesn't burden your husband and
520
00:24:22,366 --> 00:24:23,976
you can help supply for your family.
521
00:24:24,186 --> 00:24:27,246
Like as a mom, you're going to wanna
take care of your family, so they're,
522
00:24:27,566 --> 00:24:30,546
they're doing aspects like, "It's gonna
be so easy. It's just like talking to
523
00:24:30,546 --> 00:24:32,586
your girlfriends." Like, it's so easy.
524
00:24:32,586 --> 00:24:33,816
It's not that much work.
525
00:24:34,146 --> 00:24:38,826
Um, there's also the factor of there's
a lot of people that are in churches,
526
00:24:38,826 --> 00:24:43,496
especially in the Mormon religion, that
are very susceptible to this because
527
00:24:43,746 --> 00:24:46,666
why would you not believe someone
that's also a Mormon that has the
528
00:24:46,666 --> 00:24:48,646
same values and practices as, as you?
529
00:24:48,646 --> 00:24:52,266
And this can go for any type
of Christianity or whatever,
530
00:24:52,306 --> 00:24:53,476
Catholicism, whatever.
531
00:24:53,766 --> 00:24:55,556
You know, why would you not believe them?
532
00:24:55,576 --> 00:24:57,946
Because y- you guys have
the same values and morals.
533
00:24:57,946 --> 00:25:00,016
Why would you think that they
weren't selling you something
534
00:25:00,016 --> 00:25:01,036
that wasn't good for you?
535
00:25:01,386 --> 00:25:05,936
So I think that it's, it's culturally
I think it has an effect on it, but I
536
00:25:05,946 --> 00:25:08,666
think also the manipulation of being
like, " You're not gonna be a good
537
00:25:08,666 --> 00:25:11,516
mom if you can't support for your
kids or your family, or take some
538
00:25:11,516 --> 00:25:13,766
of that burden off of your husband."
539
00:25:14,206 --> 00:25:17,646
That's why I thi- I don't know what
the percentage is, but I would say
540
00:25:17,646 --> 00:25:22,226
it's going to be overwhelmingly
female that are in these MLMs.
541
00:25:22,586 --> 00:25:26,096
And I think that, that they,
they tug on those factors of
542
00:25:26,426 --> 00:25:28,576
like, you can be the caretaker.
543
00:25:28,626 --> 00:25:31,516
The person that does it in
my family, she's, uh, sent me
544
00:25:31,516 --> 00:25:33,616
a video, and she's Mormons.
545
00:25:33,626 --> 00:25:34,846
Mormons don't drink coffee.
546
00:25:35,176 --> 00:25:37,376
And she sent me a video
and she's like, "Will
547
00:25:37,376 --> 00:25:38,396
you watch this video?
548
00:25:38,396 --> 00:25:39,506
It's seven minutes long.
549
00:25:39,566 --> 00:25:41,216
Um, I'm really struggling.
550
00:25:41,586 --> 00:25:44,476
Can you tell me what you think?" And I
saw the first like two seconds of it,
551
00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:45,596
I'm like, "I'm not even gonna watch it.
552
00:25:45,596 --> 00:25:50,546
I already know what it is." And I
sent her like this massive paragraph,
553
00:25:50,616 --> 00:25:54,686
and I was like, "First off," and
I go, "I love you, but I am so
554
00:25:54,686 --> 00:25:56,006
sad that you continue to do this."
555
00:25:56,016 --> 00:25:57,056
And I just said my piece.
556
00:25:57,526 --> 00:26:02,636
And, um, she came back with, um, "I have
a hard time with the coffee part." And I
557
00:26:02,636 --> 00:26:04,356
was like, oh, see, it's just deaf ears.
558
00:26:04,376 --> 00:26:08,486
Like, the whole thing is, is that
there's a new supplement that she's
559
00:26:08,496 --> 00:26:12,226
selling that h- that you have to drink
it in coffee or something like that.
560
00:26:12,696 --> 00:26:13,066
And,
561
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:13,422
I see.
562
00:26:13,886 --> 00:26:18,996
and so her, her, yeah, so her whole
thing was that she would have to sell
563
00:26:18,996 --> 00:26:20,716
coffee, but she doesn't drink coffee.
564
00:26:21,286 --> 00:26:25,026
And so she would be… That's going
against the, her values and morals
565
00:26:25,036 --> 00:26:26,716
when it's tied to the Mormon Church.
566
00:26:27,016 --> 00:26:30,066
And so I'm like, hmm, that
is a stipulation, isn't it?
567
00:26:30,216 --> 00:26:33,226
Like, but I believe she
is trying to sell it.
568
00:26:33,266 --> 00:26:36,676
And so then I'm like, you're
kind of… You're not practicing
569
00:26:36,676 --> 00:26:37,466
what you're preaching.
570
00:26:37,556 --> 00:26:38,006
No?
571
00:26:38,106 --> 00:26:38,466
Right?
572
00:26:38,846 --> 00:26:43,516
So yeah, uh, definitely they,
they, they prey on the vulnerable
573
00:26:44,594 --> 00:26:45,304
Anne Genduso: Sure.
574
00:26:45,304 --> 00:26:48,574
And, and I think you said it best, you
know, is that credibility borrowing?
575
00:26:49,644 --> 00:26:49,724
or
576
00:26:50,141 --> 00:26:50,742
Emily Rask: Yeah
577
00:26:51,024 --> 00:26:54,664
Anne Genduso: uh, within your religion
or it's your neighbor that you trust or
578
00:26:54,674 --> 00:27:00,154
whoever it is, because MLMs are so much--
so heavily relying on word of mouth
579
00:27:00,624 --> 00:27:03,284
people you know within your
network, your trusted network.
580
00:27:04,004 --> 00:27:07,344
when you're gonna think like,
" Well, why would they me wrong?"
581
00:27:07,364 --> 00:27:09,574
Why… They are saying that
they're making money off of it,
582
00:27:10,554 --> 00:27:13,024
they're using the talking
points that the MLM gave them.
583
00:27:13,034 --> 00:27:16,494
Even… A-and I don't wanna say
like they're lying, 'cause they
584
00:27:16,494 --> 00:27:17,834
may actually believe it too.
585
00:27:17,874 --> 00:27:20,134
Like right, they think
that they're like, "Yeah.
586
00:27:20,134 --> 00:27:23,404
Well, look at, I am gonna make money," or,
"I do have…" 'Cause they have five new
587
00:27:23,404 --> 00:27:27,164
people they signed up, but they are not
take-- maybe taking into account the fact
588
00:27:27,164 --> 00:27:30,764
that how much they've already invested
into it or gone to these mandatory trips
589
00:27:30,764 --> 00:27:32,574
and how much that costs and all that.
590
00:27:33,504 --> 00:27:39,054
it may not even be purposely
duplicitous, you know, so they're
591
00:27:39,054 --> 00:27:43,374
borrowing that credibility or using it
on the, the word-of-mouth marketing.
592
00:27:43,424 --> 00:27:43,734
Emily Rask: Yep.
593
00:27:43,874 --> 00:27:46,124
Which is the best type of
marketing that you can have, right?
594
00:27:46,444 --> 00:27:48,984
Your friend tells you something
and you're gonna be like, "Ooh, I
595
00:27:48,984 --> 00:27:51,654
should go, I should go try that."
Absolutely if it's helping you I wanna
596
00:27:51,654 --> 00:27:54,334
try it 'cause you can't buy that.
597
00:27:54,774 --> 00:27:57,864
Like, I can't put out a marketing
campaign right now for Lies We Bought..
598
00:27:57,864 --> 00:28:00,924
I come on podcasts so other
people know about me, and
599
00:28:00,924 --> 00:28:01,814
that's kind of word of mouth.
600
00:28:02,004 --> 00:28:05,464
But I can't go out there and like… I
mean, I guess I could pay influencers
601
00:28:05,504 --> 00:28:06,864
to lie but I would never do that.
602
00:28:07,634 --> 00:28:10,534
Be like, "This podcast is so good you
guys, go check it out." I'd be like,
603
00:28:10,534 --> 00:28:12,704
"No, listen to it and then tell me.
604
00:28:13,124 --> 00:28:14,144
Be honest, I don't care.
605
00:28:14,144 --> 00:28:15,284
If you don't like it, it's fine.
606
00:28:15,284 --> 00:28:16,094
I'm not for everybody.
607
00:28:16,094 --> 00:28:18,028
It's okay Right.
608
00:28:18,438 --> 00:28:21,538
Anne Genduso: Well, I'm gonna read
you, I think I have, um, a couple
609
00:28:21,538 --> 00:28:23,098
of comments on this one too.
610
00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:27,847
So they did their research and this person
said, "It looks like Impact Global is
611
00:28:27,857 --> 00:28:31,127
actually a group within Amway or a spinoff
612
00:28:31,837 --> 00:28:32,637
with Amway.
613
00:28:32,947 --> 00:28:36,897
I discovered this by visiting the
WayBack Machine and examining their
614
00:28:36,897 --> 00:28:39,377
2019 snapshot of the site which
615
00:28:40,046 --> 00:28:40,426
Emily Rask: Hmm
616
00:28:40,977 --> 00:28:45,391
Anne Genduso: uh, did a redirect right
to Which is just wild to me 'cause,
617
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:49,461
like, if that's the level of research
you have to do to figure out how,
618
00:28:49,461 --> 00:28:51,121
like, they rebranded or whatever they
619
00:28:51,655 --> 00:28:52,035
Emily Rask: Yeah.
620
00:28:52,401 --> 00:28:53,331
Anne Genduso: crazy.
621
00:28:53,575 --> 00:28:56,935
Emily Rask: I mean, that's,
that is smart of Amway though.
622
00:28:57,373 --> 00:28:57,663
Anne Genduso: Right.
623
00:28:57,915 --> 00:29:00,425
Emily Rask: Lose, lose cred-
lose credibility on this,
624
00:29:00,425 --> 00:29:01,881
repackage and do it on this
625
00:29:03,121 --> 00:29:03,411
Anne Genduso: Right.
626
00:29:05,191 --> 00:29:09,921
And then this comment said, " A
real job would never have you
627
00:29:09,921 --> 00:29:11,461
go into debt just to start it.
628
00:29:11,931 --> 00:29:12,951
They're taking her money.
629
00:29:12,961 --> 00:29:14,121
She'll never see it again.
630
00:29:14,451 --> 00:29:17,011
But you can't help someone
who doesn't wanna be helped.
631
00:29:17,201 --> 00:29:20,591
Do what you can, but don't feel like
a failure if you can't convince her.
632
00:29:20,841 --> 00:29:22,661
Just make sure not to
support her financially."
633
00:29:23,659 --> 00:29:23,919
Emily Rask: Yep.
634
00:29:24,199 --> 00:29:25,199
I completely agree.
635
00:29:25,259 --> 00:29:26,969
I said my piece and I put it to bed.
636
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,799
Like, I know that the person that I sent
it to, th- they're never gonna change.
637
00:29:30,849 --> 00:29:32,469
That… It's kind of one of
those things where it's like,
638
00:29:32,469 --> 00:29:33,829
"You know, I'm not your parent.
639
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:34,709
I'm not your mom.
640
00:29:34,779 --> 00:29:35,849
This is your decision.
641
00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:36,879
You're a grown adult.
642
00:29:37,329 --> 00:29:39,889
It's unfortunate, and I hate
seeing you struggle, but that's…"
643
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:41,069
It's kind of a tough love thing.
644
00:29:41,159 --> 00:29:44,789
Like, I've said my piece, and that's
it, and I'm not gonna… I mean, it, it,
645
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:48,249
it weighs on me a little bit, but it's
not… I'm, I'm not gonna do anything,
646
00:29:48,249 --> 00:29:50,339
and I'm never gonna give money, so
647
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,589
Anne Genduso: You can just choose what
you're gonna, you know, you could still
648
00:29:53,589 --> 00:29:54,669
be friends with a person, you could still
649
00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:56,161
Emily Rask: Yeah, absolutely
650
00:29:56,239 --> 00:29:58,959
Anne Genduso: have to necessarily
buy their product from there.
651
00:29:59,363 --> 00:30:00,553
Emily Rask: Yeah, absolutely.
652
00:30:01,153 --> 00:30:02,273
They're always gonna be around.
653
00:30:02,313 --> 00:30:03,293
They will always be around
654
00:30:04,133 --> 00:30:04,733
Anne Genduso: Yeah.
655
00:30:05,223 --> 00:30:06,183
I know, that's the thing.
656
00:30:06,183 --> 00:30:08,103
It's like they're, when
it's not one, right?
657
00:30:08,103 --> 00:30:08,243
If
658
00:30:08,733 --> 00:30:11,803
Amway, they're just gonna
rebrand and have another name or,
659
00:30:12,353 --> 00:30:13,263
have a brand new product,
660
00:30:13,635 --> 00:30:17,045
Emily Rask: I think it's also, like
community that we're in a loneliness
661
00:30:17,045 --> 00:30:21,615
epidemic and so- Mm-hmm …I think
that it's everybody wants to belong to
662
00:30:21,615 --> 00:30:24,585
a community and so that's why social
media is so prevalent because everybody
663
00:30:24,585 --> 00:30:27,475
feels like they're apart whether like
selling on TikTok there's like those
664
00:30:27,485 --> 00:30:31,145
TikTok communities or we have the podcast
community And everybody wants to feel
665
00:30:31,145 --> 00:30:35,795
a part of some type of community and so
that's where like because you go on weekly
666
00:30:35,795 --> 00:30:39,005
calls and you get pumped up and you get
all this stuff So you feel like you're
667
00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:43,655
a part of something and you're making a
difference and so 'cause it We're in a
668
00:30:43,655 --> 00:30:47,675
loneliness epidemic i think that a lot
more people are way more susceptible to it
669
00:30:48,489 --> 00:30:51,029
Anne Genduso: And then I think obviously
with online too, just having things
670
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:53,999
online and being con- if you can connect
through Zoom and connect in different
671
00:30:53,999 --> 00:30:55,769
ways that you couldn't 20 years ago.
672
00:30:56,589 --> 00:30:58,399
well, I mean, there was, there
was the internet 20 years ago, but
673
00:30:58,399 --> 00:30:59,799
it wasn't necessarily like the,
674
00:31:00,414 --> 00:31:01,234
Emily Rask: It was dialing.
675
00:31:03,154 --> 00:31:05,554
You were yelling at your
sister to get off the phone?
676
00:31:08,131 --> 00:31:10,011
Anne Genduso: You know, like the video
calls the same type of connection.
677
00:31:10,041 --> 00:31:14,241
Um, but yeah, you, you make a really good
point and I, I wouldn't be surprised.
678
00:31:14,241 --> 00:31:17,611
I have not done this research, but I
wouldn't be surprised that if since the
679
00:31:17,611 --> 00:31:23,011
pandemic these have skyrocketed because
I could see that being a time that people
680
00:31:23,011 --> 00:31:24,651
really wanted that kind of connection.
681
00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:26,754
Emily Rask: I would bet, yeah.
682
00:31:26,844 --> 00:31:31,684
I've seen… I, I have a f- a couple of,
of acquaintances on my Facebook that I've
683
00:31:31,684 --> 00:31:35,814
seen that have done MLMs over and over
again, and just like their inspirational
684
00:31:35,824 --> 00:31:41,234
posts every single day, and like being
very open about their background y- of,
685
00:31:41,444 --> 00:31:44,634
you know, they were a drug addict and now
they're sober, and they're sober because
686
00:31:44,634 --> 00:31:46,864
of this lifestyle, and all of this stuff.
687
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:47,884
So it gives hope.
688
00:31:47,904 --> 00:31:51,224
Like, I- and, you know, it can turn
a lot of people's lives around.
689
00:31:51,704 --> 00:31:55,874
Um, I'll, I'll, I'll say the good
when there's good, but again,
690
00:31:57,614 --> 00:32:02,404
they're preying on people who have
vulnerabilities You're so right.
691
00:32:03,608 --> 00:32:04,178
All right, so
692
00:32:04,178 --> 00:32:07,378
Anne Genduso: let's move
on and go to the next
693
00:32:07,998 --> 00:32:10,118
so story number three.
694
00:32:10,978 --> 00:32:15,948
this one's entitled: "Wyndham
Timeshare/Vacation Share or
695
00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:19,478
Club Owner is Mix of Lies.
696
00:32:19,658 --> 00:32:23,058
Don't Fall For It," and then in
parentheses, "August twenty-twenty
697
00:32:23,058 --> 00:32:29,028
six experience." And the source
is Reddit user gas_sufficient.
698
00:32:30,638 --> 00:32:32,338
Um, so this is brand spanking new.
699
00:32:33,211 --> 00:32:37,561
Wyndham timeshare or vacation
share is a mixed package of lies.
700
00:32:38,021 --> 00:32:43,011
They hide many things and start lying if
you grill them on any particular thing.
701
00:32:43,341 --> 00:32:44,411
Don't fall for it.
702
00:32:45,085 --> 00:32:49,975
Wife and I were lured into the same BS,
but luckily something felt wrong for me.
703
00:32:50,745 --> 00:32:55,745
told my wife the night we came back to the
hotel after signing the contract and asked
704
00:32:55,745 --> 00:33:00,175
her if we were blindsided by something
else, and we had di-decided in a hurry.
705
00:33:00,688 --> 00:33:05,468
It was twelve thousand five hundred
points, which is twelve nights worth, for
706
00:33:05,548 --> 00:33:06,858
twenty thousand eight hundred dollars.
707
00:33:07,488 --> 00:33:09,698
We need to pay twenty thousand eight
hundred at sixteen point six percent
708
00:33:09,698 --> 00:33:09,828
interest rate, which I thought of
getting away with my money from savings.
709
00:33:09,828 --> 00:33:09,938
I clearly told them I don't like
their maintenance cost, which
710
00:33:09,938 --> 00:33:10,168
is a hundred and eight dollars
711
00:33:15,728 --> 00:33:16,178
per month, as
712
00:33:22,038 --> 00:33:24,708
this is something I need to pay
no matter if I vacation or not.
713
00:33:25,385 --> 00:33:30,055
They were like, "Look at Emerald Grand,
Dustin. renting for five hundred to
714
00:33:30,055 --> 00:33:34,295
six hundred per night." And they gave
a false promise about how I can easily
715
00:33:34,295 --> 00:33:38,495
make two K to two point five K by
renting out five nights worth of points.
716
00:33:39,255 --> 00:33:42,845
I was promised that the two to
two point five K is the lowest
717
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:44,181
and the worst case scenario.
718
00:33:44,871 --> 00:33:48,261
Another false promise from them
about maintenance fees staying
719
00:33:48,261 --> 00:33:51,601
consistent for ten years with little
changes probably in the last ten
720
00:33:51,601 --> 00:33:54,661
years, which was like ninety-five
dollars to a hundred and eight now.
721
00:33:55,378 --> 00:34:00,628
We were also lured by another offer
of free one hundred and seventy-five K
722
00:34:00,628 --> 00:34:04,808
points, which was worth seventeen nights,
and they won't expire for two years.
723
00:34:05,218 --> 00:34:08,328
I was like, even if I rent out ten
to twelve nights worth of points from
724
00:34:08,328 --> 00:34:11,628
that, I could easily make a minimum
of five K within the first year.
725
00:34:12,618 --> 00:34:16,168
It looked like a good cash flow
investment with a free vacation for me.
726
00:34:16,808 --> 00:34:21,278
We were also told how this will go to our
future generations and the value of points
727
00:34:21,278 --> 00:34:23,348
will increase with inflation and whatnot.
728
00:34:23,767 --> 00:34:28,027
They will brainwash you that you should
take the deal there that time and as
729
00:34:28,027 --> 00:34:31,517
the deal will expire, and you will lose
some benefits if you come the next day.
730
00:34:32,327 --> 00:34:35,207
the 40K worth package is sold
to you at 20K or whatnot.
731
00:34:35,677 --> 00:34:38,997
My instinct was saying something
that is not right about the contract
732
00:34:38,997 --> 00:34:42,287
or deal but though I was always
trying to see the brighter side.
733
00:34:43,103 --> 00:34:47,093
That's when my wife started doing
some research and we found Reddit
734
00:34:47,133 --> 00:34:51,683
posts about how difficult it is
to rent and nearly impossible to
735
00:34:51,683 --> 00:34:53,373
use points in the ways they say.
736
00:34:53,623 --> 00:34:58,033
Florida allowed a 10 calendar day
after the date of signing contract or
737
00:34:58,033 --> 00:35:02,403
receiving printed docs grace period to
exit the contract without any penalty.
738
00:35:02,722 --> 00:35:04,640
We got the hell out of this BS finally.
739
00:35:05,347 --> 00:35:06,067
Emily Rask: Good for them.
740
00:35:06,077 --> 00:35:09,637
Do you know what kind of vacation
I could have for $20,000?
741
00:35:11,767 --> 00:35:15,187
It would, it would be way longer than
12 days, I'll tell you that much.
742
00:35:15,217 --> 00:35:16,477
I can make my money go.
743
00:35:16,507 --> 00:35:17,987
I would go to Thailand again.
744
00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:22,167
I could stay there for three months
and live in like… I would go back
745
00:35:22,167 --> 00:35:25,317
to Koh Phi Phi Don and go to the
private resort that I was at, like,
746
00:35:25,937 --> 00:35:27,487
and it didn't hardly cost anything.
747
00:35:27,597 --> 00:35:32,617
Um, it's another one of preying on the
vulnerable, preying on people that don't
748
00:35:32,647 --> 00:35:37,957
understand, like when they're going into
it 'cause they're promising them luxury.
749
00:35:37,957 --> 00:35:41,837
They're promising them like, like
you can have the best vacations,
750
00:35:41,837 --> 00:35:44,637
and especially now with social media
and everybody's only posting the
751
00:35:44,637 --> 00:35:46,516
happy parts of their lives Great,
752
00:35:46,837 --> 00:35:49,717
where, you know, it's like well then
we can be a part of that too because
753
00:35:49,727 --> 00:35:53,167
look, we have a rental or we have, you
know, you can just add, like you're
754
00:35:53,207 --> 00:35:56,907
adding to your portfolio that's gonna
be passed down to future generations.
755
00:35:56,927 --> 00:36:02,027
Again, they're preying on the like
you can take care of your family if
756
00:36:02,047 --> 00:36:04,887
you purchase this, and then they've
got the FOMO in there, right?
757
00:36:05,057 --> 00:36:07,807
If you don't do this, you're gonna miss
out and somebody else is gonna take
758
00:36:07,807 --> 00:36:09,877
this, and it's like last minute deal.
759
00:36:09,877 --> 00:36:10,637
You gotta do it.
760
00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:13,617
It's like the whole car salesman
thing like, "I don't know if this
761
00:36:13,617 --> 00:36:15,831
car is gonna be here tomorrow." Yep.
762
00:36:16,393 --> 00:36:16,753
Yeah.
763
00:36:16,881 --> 00:36:18,533
urgency yeah.
764
00:36:18,653 --> 00:36:20,903
And I know that there's a lot of people
that will go to Vegas, and they'll
765
00:36:20,903 --> 00:36:23,563
sit in those because they'll be like,
"We'll give you three free nights,"
766
00:36:23,583 --> 00:36:25,983
and then you can do this, and they go,
and they're like, "Eh, we're good."
767
00:36:26,353 --> 00:36:29,923
But they're like it's like eight hours
of, of just like horrible that you have
768
00:36:29,923 --> 00:36:31,663
to sit through or however long it is.
769
00:36:31,693 --> 00:36:32,033
But
770
00:36:33,759 --> 00:36:36,749
to redeem, like, the free cruise
they'll give you and then, yeah.
771
00:36:36,749 --> 00:36:41,449
And it's like, oh, but you can only
take it this one date in, in a year
772
00:36:41,715 --> 00:36:42,135
Yeah, and
773
00:36:42,299 --> 00:36:42,329
like
774
00:36:42,905 --> 00:36:44,485
17% interest?
775
00:36:45,535 --> 00:36:49,105
Like we put a cap on interest rates?
776
00:36:49,135 --> 00:36:50,445
Can we do that yet?
777
00:36:50,795 --> 00:36:55,605
Because 17% interest on people…
And I would love to see the median
778
00:36:55,625 --> 00:36:58,705
in- it household income of people
that purchase these because I'm
779
00:36:58,705 --> 00:37:03,405
pretty sure that it's people that
can't necessarily afford them, right?
780
00:37:03,965 --> 00:37:05,805
Because they're looking
at it as an investment.
781
00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,815
Like it's, it's only $20,000
instead of buying a house.
782
00:37:09,895 --> 00:37:14,585
It's only $20,000 instead of buying
a hundred thousand dollar home.
783
00:37:14,625 --> 00:37:17,835
And this is an investment for
our future, for our kids, for
784
00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:19,285
our grandkids, for whatever.
785
00:37:19,705 --> 00:37:19,975
like
786
00:37:20,005 --> 00:37:22,075
this is more attainable than this is.
787
00:37:22,705 --> 00:37:27,285
So I, I would love to see
the median household income.
788
00:37:27,948 --> 00:37:29,788
Anne Genduso: And you know, it's
interesting to me that they're doing
789
00:37:29,788 --> 00:37:32,698
this through hotels now with vacation
clubs and this sort of thing because
790
00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:35,338
like, I mean, we- we've heard of
the timeshares where you actually,
791
00:37:35,338 --> 00:37:38,138
you know, like have the condo or
whatever, but to have the same kind
792
00:37:38,138 --> 00:37:41,258
of concept through an existing
hotel was really interesting.
793
00:37:42,398 --> 00:37:44,548
it might have been around forever and
I just didn't know about it, but I
794
00:37:44,769 --> 00:37:45,369
Emily Rask: Yeah, me neither.
795
00:37:45,428 --> 00:37:45,538
Anne Genduso: okay."
796
00:37:47,139 --> 00:37:49,979
Emily Rask: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm…
I would, I would annoy them.
797
00:37:49,989 --> 00:37:52,269
Like, that's why I could never get
kidnapped, because I would annoy
798
00:37:52,269 --> 00:37:53,599
them too much with all my questions.
799
00:37:55,799 --> 00:37:57,119
They'd be like, "All
right, you can leave now."
800
00:37:57,762 --> 00:37:59,842
Anne Genduso: Yeah, time that is funny.
801
00:37:59,912 --> 00:38:02,312
You know, I think the thing that
also goes back to is because,
802
00:38:02,352 --> 00:38:03,232
I mean, this is Wyndham.
803
00:38:03,452 --> 00:38:05,322
This is not like a tiny little brand
804
00:38:05,673 --> 00:38:06,073
Emily Rask: Yeah
805
00:38:06,602 --> 00:38:09,402
Anne Genduso: an Amway or some like
thing that like has been associated
806
00:38:09,402 --> 00:38:11,992
with maybe predatory behavior before.
807
00:38:11,992 --> 00:38:17,112
So I think that is fascinating because
they're leveraging-- I, I mean, they're
808
00:38:17,112 --> 00:38:22,582
obviously offering a new offering, but
it's the, the incredible branding that
809
00:38:22,592 --> 00:38:28,322
they're borrowing from to create this new
offering which I believe is predatory.
810
00:38:28,422 --> 00:38:30,712
I mean first of all 16.6%, ridiculous.
811
00:38:30,732 --> 00:38:35,782
Um, obviously if they're like literally
lying about the amount of, maintenance
812
00:38:35,782 --> 00:38:38,812
costs… I mean I've, I've seen a lot of
people go back and they'll be like, "Oh my
813
00:38:38,812 --> 00:38:41,472
gosh, no, it was actually, it raised this
814
00:38:41,472 --> 00:38:41,862
much,.
815
00:38:42,413 --> 00:38:44,453
Emily Rask: It's the fine
print, it's the fine print.
816
00:38:44,953 --> 00:38:48,953
They're not gonna tell you about
Yeah, uh, it is borrowed credibility.
817
00:38:48,953 --> 00:38:51,853
It's like Maxwell House I was
talking about good to the last drop.
818
00:38:52,143 --> 00:38:57,483
Maxwell House, um, is- is…
Was a hotel in Nashville and
819
00:38:57,493 --> 00:38:59,273
it was like the premium hotel.
820
00:38:59,473 --> 00:39:02,183
And so he walked his blend in
there and was like, "You guys
821
00:39:02,183 --> 00:39:03,223
should start selling this."
822
00:39:03,393 --> 00:39:05,473
And they put it in the lobby
and then everybody liked it.
823
00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:09,963
And then he borrowed prestige from
them because he used their name because
824
00:39:10,013 --> 00:39:11,633
everybody knew who Maxwell House was.
825
00:39:11,643 --> 00:39:13,873
So then it was like, "Oh, this
is the coffee of the really
826
00:39:13,873 --> 00:39:16,402
expensive hotel." Right.
827
00:39:16,623 --> 00:39:17,413
that's like Wyndham.
828
00:39:18,643 --> 00:39:20,873
They're like, "Oh," never do that.
829
00:39:20,933 --> 00:39:21,833
They would never do that.
830
00:39:21,833 --> 00:39:24,834
They're a very successful hotel Right.
831
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:25,319
Um, don't get a timeshare.
832
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:25,349
Save your money.
833
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:25,359
S-
834
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:25,399
Don't go into debt.
835
00:39:25,399 --> 00:39:27,999
Do not go into debt for something
that… I think that's the biggest thing.
836
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,429
Financial literacy in the
United States is nothing.
837
00:39:31,689 --> 00:39:33,839
Like, I didn't know anything
about financial literacies.
838
00:39:33,909 --> 00:39:38,629
I'm in my 40s now and I finally
like have a grip on it, um, 'cause
839
00:39:38,629 --> 00:39:40,969
I worked in finance and I was
like, "Oh so this is the difference
840
00:39:40,969 --> 00:39:42,249
between this and this and this."
841
00:39:42,579 --> 00:39:44,969
Um but nobody-- What?
842
00:39:44,989 --> 00:39:46,709
We learned how to write
a check in high school.
843
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,189
That was it; in home ec.
844
00:39:48,619 --> 00:39:53,779
Nobody, nobody talks to you about 401s
or IRAs or interest rates or any of it,
845
00:39:54,019 --> 00:39:55,189
Yeah yeah.
846
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:58,039
Like don't buy a car
with 20% interest rate.
847
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,969
You're gonna be paying like $700
a month for a car that's crappy
848
00:40:02,969 --> 00:40:04,309
because your credit's not great.
849
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:07,539
Like get your credit up a
little bit first and don't g-…
850
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:10,209
Like they just - They
get taken advantage of.
851
00:40:10,439 --> 00:40:12,989
Everybody gets taken advantage
of if th- because of it.
852
00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:15,189
Makes me very upset.
853
00:40:15,842 --> 00:40:19,002
Anne Genduso: You know, the other part
that I just, I, I remember now that was
854
00:40:19,072 --> 00:40:22,032
killing me about this one and that they
were telling people, you know, "Oh,
855
00:40:22,032 --> 00:40:23,452
this is an investment for your future."
856
00:40:23,724 --> 00:40:24,189
Emily Rask: Yeah
857
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:28,072
Anne Genduso: for future
generations… So never-- In my
858
00:40:28,072 --> 00:40:29,572
family, we never had any timeshares.
859
00:40:29,672 --> 00:40:34,162
And I just had no idea until John Oliver
did a whole episode on timeshares.
860
00:40:34,942 --> 00:40:35,242
know if you
861
00:40:35,657 --> 00:40:36,777
Emily Rask: Oh, no.
862
00:40:36,827 --> 00:40:39,707
I'm gonna watch that though, 'cause
I do have timeshares on my list.
863
00:40:40,452 --> 00:40:44,742
Anne Genduso: Yeah, he did a whole episode
on it within like the last year or two.
864
00:40:45,142 --> 00:40:48,382
And um, it, it was shocking.
865
00:40:48,392 --> 00:40:49,922
It is shockingly difficult.
866
00:40:49,932 --> 00:40:53,382
So when if, if there is a timeshare
that is still under contract, it is
867
00:40:53,382 --> 00:40:56,652
shockingly difficult for people who,
when their parents who owned it pass away
868
00:40:57,273 --> 00:40:57,623
Emily Rask: Yeah
869
00:40:58,752 --> 00:41:02,612
Anne Genduso: the children not
only inherit the actual timeshare
870
00:41:02,612 --> 00:41:06,642
itself, but they can't sell it, and
it's extremely hard and they can't.
871
00:41:06,642 --> 00:41:08,792
And so they inherit the maintenance dues.
872
00:41:09,092 --> 00:41:12,732
They admit-inherit all of the
negative things that come with it.
873
00:41:13,182 --> 00:41:16,742
Um, and then you, they get,
you know, kind of double hit.
874
00:41:16,742 --> 00:41:22,042
There's like a double whammy from, um,
these kinda scammers who say that they
875
00:41:22,042 --> 00:41:25,712
are, um, I can't remember exactly what
they're called, but basically that they
876
00:41:25,712 --> 00:41:27,662
will help you get out of a timeshare.
877
00:41:27,662 --> 00:41:27,832
And
878
00:41:28,323 --> 00:41:29,187
Emily Rask: gosh
879
00:41:29,272 --> 00:41:32,742
Anne Genduso: money to those people,
and they lose all their money that way.
880
00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:34,732
So it's, it's shocking to me.
881
00:41:34,732 --> 00:41:39,672
So the fact that they were actually
using that as a selling point, a positive
882
00:41:39,722 --> 00:41:43,732
point, saying that it's an investment
for future generations on what wasn't
883
00:41:43,732 --> 00:41:47,582
even, like I said, a typical timeshare,
this is like a vacation club type of
884
00:41:48,041 --> 00:41:48,511
Emily Rask: Ja
885
00:41:49,672 --> 00:41:50,462
Anne Genduso: fascinating.
886
00:41:50,592 --> 00:41:53,382
Emily Rask: I almost wonder if the
company that's helping you get out
887
00:41:53,382 --> 00:41:55,352
of it is associated with the company.
888
00:41:55,762 --> 00:41:57,054
Because, surprised at
889
00:41:57,382 --> 00:42:00,032
because y- like you have to think
about pharmaceutical companies,
890
00:42:00,032 --> 00:42:04,722
like they own clinics, they own,
uh, like the actual, um, pharmacies.
891
00:42:04,732 --> 00:42:06,922
They own… Like it's, it's a whole ring.
892
00:42:07,232 --> 00:42:08,762
So like I'm
893
00:42:08,822 --> 00:42:13,282
I- it makes me wonder if … It's, it's
the same as, um, I did an episode on
894
00:42:13,292 --> 00:42:16,142
PFAS, per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances.
895
00:42:16,142 --> 00:42:17,602
It's like the forever chemicals.
896
00:42:17,992 --> 00:42:22,352
And like th- like once they're
in, they're in, and so then they
897
00:42:22,352 --> 00:42:24,622
created companies that cleaned it up.
898
00:42:24,702 --> 00:42:27,272
So they're getting double paid
'cause you can get like grants for
899
00:42:27,272 --> 00:42:28,662
like cleanups and stuff like that.
900
00:42:28,832 --> 00:42:29,742
So they're getting double paid.
901
00:42:29,742 --> 00:42:31,872
They're putting it in your clothing,
and they're putting it in your pans,
902
00:42:31,872 --> 00:42:33,042
and they're putting it in whatever.
903
00:42:33,382 --> 00:42:36,052
And then, uh, they're like,
"Oh, we'll clean it up. Don't
904
00:42:36,052 --> 00:42:37,682
worry." So it's the same thing.
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If …I feel like it's the same thing,
and I'll bet you that those companies are
906
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tied to the original timeshare or hotel
907
00:42:43,636 --> 00:42:44,896
Anne Genduso: I would
not be surprised at all.
908
00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:44,916
You're right.
909
00:42:44,916 --> 00:42:45,326
You're right.
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00:42:45,672 --> 00:42:46,102
Emily Rask: Ja
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Anne Genduso: I should look that up.
912
00:42:47,196 --> 00:42:50,016
I'm like, oh, well, it's the same thing
you said earlier about like going into
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the pasta aisle when the company's not
caring if you choose Rao's or Prego or
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00:42:54,394 --> 00:42:54,764
Emily Rask: Yeah
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00:42:54,956 --> 00:42:56,556
Anne Genduso: they're all
owned by the same company.
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00:42:56,556 --> 00:42:57,056
So
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Emily Rask: Yeah.
918
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We don't care is… It,
it's like, uh, what was it?
919
00:43:01,354 --> 00:43:04,154
The Model T Ford, he- when it first
came out, he's like, "You can get it in
920
00:43:04,234 --> 00:43:06,724
any color as long as it's black." Like,
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00:43:08,834 --> 00:43:10,974
"You can buy any of these
'cause they're all ours."
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00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:12,320
Anne Genduso: Right.
923
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:13,030
Yeah.
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00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:13,804
Oh.
925
00:43:14,681 --> 00:43:16,970
Well, thank you so much for coming on.
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I am so excited that you were able to
come here and share all your stories.
927
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:25,030
You have tons of stories, and
anyone listening, please go visit
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00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,340
Lies We Bought with Emily Rask.
929
00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:29,180
You will not be disappointed.
930
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,040
It's awesome.
931
00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:33,200
I've already watched several myself,
and I can't keep up with them fast
932
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:34,220
enough because they're so good.
933
00:43:35,576 --> 00:43:39,246
Emily Rask: I know, I'm like,
"Oh man, they're weekly." I kinda
934
00:43:39,256 --> 00:43:42,596
shot myself in the foot for that
one, but I, I enjoy it very much.
935
00:43:43,539 --> 00:43:47,459
It it's been so much fun on here, and
I loved that finally I was able to
936
00:43:47,459 --> 00:43:49,119
check off the little Reddit thing now.
937
00:43:49,129 --> 00:43:51,629
So I'm glad that you were
able to help me do that.
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00:43:51,708 --> 00:43:52,608
Anne Genduso: All right, side-eyers.
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00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:57,868
I hope you enjoyed today's episode
and if you did make sure to like and
940
00:43:57,868 --> 00:44:01,718
subscribe or if you're listening on
a podcast app please leave a rating
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00:44:01,738 --> 00:44:06,508
review because that way you'll never
miss a thing and you'll help more people
942
00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:10,628
discover the show so they can spot
signs of deception before it's too late.
943
00:44:10,651 --> 00:44:13,711
Let's leave you with this
week's Side -Eye Question.
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00:44:14,571 --> 00:44:17,411
Thinking about these stories
which stuck with you?
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00:44:18,681 --> 00:44:22,854
Have you ever encountered any of these
offerings or maybe someone you know got
946
00:44:22,874 --> 00:44:27,289
duped by them Drop your answer in the
comments and let's discuss if you have
947
00:44:27,289 --> 00:44:31,149
your own story of deception, scams,
or manipulation, we wanna hear them.
948
00:44:31,379 --> 00:44:34,459
Email us at stories@nothingfeltwrong.com.
949
00:44:34,859 --> 00:44:38,609
We may feature your story in a future
episode, and we'll keep everything
950
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,276
anonymous for legal protection Because
the more stories we share, the more we'll
951
00:44:43,276 --> 00:44:44,926
know what to look out for to stay safe.
952
00:44:45,896 --> 00:44:50,416
I'll see you next time, and until
then, keep your side eye sharp Because
953
00:44:50,446 --> 00:44:52,396
nothing felt wrong until it did