Sanjeev Kohli

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Welcome to an episode of Not in a Lot of
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Football Podcasts with myself, Simon don Let and my friend
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Jackie Mike in Amara and our next guest as the
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legend himself.
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See that way, I'm good.
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But the problem is you can call something from Scotland
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legend because we don't take compliments well and that's when
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we get a vibe because I don't know. Do I
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want to stab you now because I don't know what
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to do?
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A lot of positive established maybe have you noticed this?
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Maybe not a particularly Scottish thing, but if you want,
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if you want to find out most most of okay,
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I'm gonna be slightly gender specifically. If you want to
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find out where a woman but her outfit for how
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much it cost her? Tell us she looks nice, you
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look lovely.
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Pre Mark. I'm not a store detective. I'm genuinely trying
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to compliment you.
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It's really it's it's how you know yourselves when people
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are checking compliments and when you get called legends all
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the time.
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I personally don't think you know that. I'm true. You
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have to slay a mythical beast.
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Before you call the legend, I think, But no, it's
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it's it's a strange one. I think it's something that
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defines Scottishness. Is part of it is is that taking praise,
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not taking praise, not praising each other. If we like you,
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we slag you, because God forbid we should say the
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nice about you.
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The best band speeches. There's your chance to tell your
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best part of about you love.
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Him and you just talked to him about how he's
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got a baldy patch and there's zero just tell me
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love him politic legend will take it.
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Low self esteem, low self esteem. On that note, and
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on that note.
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It's come to just listen to your world cup song.
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Yes, so I I've always been kind of musical, most
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love music and well, okay, so I grew up as
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youngster three boys, and it's quite interesting culturally because growing
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up in an Asian household in Scotland, right, so, we
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didn't have Rolling Stones albums and Beatles albums and God
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Sydney Divine albums in our house. We had Bollywood soundtracks
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and seek devotional songs, which is fine, but when you're
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nine years old, you're like, I want to listen to
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what Davy in my P one class is listening to.
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I mean, I wasn't in P one when I was nine,
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cause I addressed that I've got my numbers wrong.
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There I repeated three years.
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So what happened was my eldest brother ran Deep his
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best pale at school. His dad was in a Deep
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Purple and a Zeppelin, so my brother got into that
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via his pal's dad. So when I was nine ten
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years old, I was listening to a lot of chart music.
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I was obsessed with Radio one, but also heavy metal,
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so I'm listening to Rainbow and Deep Purple and Gillan
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and the Scorpions and stuff. My first ever gig actually
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was at the end of our playhouse and it was Rainbow.
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When I was thirteen. My brother took me with his
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pals and my mom actually dropped us. My wee mom,
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who's a five foot four and jubby women right drove
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us in revolvo and waited at the gig and all
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these scary looking rock as the bat and she's absolutely
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cacking it.
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But they were the loveliest guy she ever met.
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They're often her chips, and they couldn't believe that she'd
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you know, you, you brought your boy to the gig,
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because that's the thing about rockeruse they look scary, but
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they're they're big kids.
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So I grew up kind of with a heavy metal
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rock kind of thing.
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But I got seriously to hip hop when I was
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maybe fourteen fifteen, and through that discovered the samples, So
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through that got to soul music like R and B
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kind of James Brown, Parliament Funkadelic, Sliming, the Family Stone,
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Aretha Franklin, that kind of thing. And then I was very,
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very lucky because I went to UNIT in eight eighty
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nine and that was when dance music properly exploded.
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So I was got in a sub club every Friday.
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Saturday Sunday for like three four years and just dancing
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until five in the morning. And that was all beats
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and dance music. So yeah, eclectic tastes, I would say,
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there's not There's not much I don't like. I never
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really fully got to handle on country music, which is
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interesting because it made a massive comeback now. And I
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don't get wrong Dolly Parton. I think she's an absolute genius.
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You know that story that she was that she wrote
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I Will Always Love You and Joline in the same day.
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She's fantastic. I love like the Breecho, Flying Burrito Brothers,
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Johnny Cash is fantastic. But you know, the New Country,
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I just don't know who the people are and I
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haven't quite got a handle on that yet.
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But most other kinds of music I love.
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And obviously we're going to touch on your World Cup song?
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Is that the first time you have your twenty?
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That? Actually no, no. I I used to In fact,
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I can't believe I think I said this to you, Jackie.
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I used to write for remember Off the Ball when
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it started. I was involved from the get go. I
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auditioned to present the first series of Off the Ball
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in ninety four, which was so long ago that will
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win got you two points? That's how long ago that was.
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It was the next they changed because that season the
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change change. Yeah, so so there's Off the Ball. I
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didn't get the gig. This lanky Canadian guy called Greg Hemple.
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What happened to him? He got the gig, but they
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kept me and Tom callen On and a guy called
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Dean Ross as these kind of regular studio guests. So
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I did that for one year and then they binned
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me quite rightly because the thing was I love football
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but didn't go to games so you know, I'd never
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been to Petogy tank carso I'd never been any steps
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back in these places. Right, So I thought, fine, I
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probably shouldn't be presenting the show. But it became off
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the ball and on the ball. So off the ball
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was the kind of the format we know with Stuart
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and Tim. But the on ball was with sketches. So
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I became a sketchwriter. So I started writing comedy sketches,
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no training or anything, but I'd watched loads of comedy,
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so I think, okay, right, I'll apply the rules that
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I think. And I'm sure told you this. I think
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I actually maybe I've told you this Boyzone had a
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song called it was the band Girl settled Down that
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one the father, father and son and I wrote a
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verctually called the boy Zone and you two are in it.
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So it's it's it's.
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Yeah because at the beginning, because it was it was
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rab Christie for Kian and was it Ford anyway? The
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guys that are doing the voices I remember the beginning
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is I'm Jackie, I'm Simon.
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Who the other two who who'd have been? Who were
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the guy?
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Who are the young guys when you were maybe maybe Phil,
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maybe actually.
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Was so, so what was it a proper it was?
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It was a spoof? Yeah, I mean, I'm really I
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feel really bad.
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Might have been.
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I feel really bad for saying this because it's just
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completely unfair and and I hate this about football and
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football culture that you can just slag people.
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But I did it because the.
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Last lines were because we've got Tall, We've got Pierre,
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and we got rid of falcon Air and when we
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found I'm sorry, mate, I just I did it because
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it rhymed with Pierre, Okay, So I apologize twenty thirty
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forty years later.
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So I so that was. I used to write we
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Musical Paradise.
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I used to write for Goodness Gracious to Me the
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Agent's Ketch as well and Tune the Fat. And I
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didn't write songs for Tune the Fat, but I did
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write a couple of things for for Goodness Gracious Me
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so and I always I got a keyboard from a
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nineteenth birthday which I used to knock up out on.
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There's a scene ninety tape somewhere of these kind of
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dance tunes.
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I could have been a Damski, but I know, let's
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it's on a seen ninety tape on my mom's garage,
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so I was always kind of dipping my toe in
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a wee bit. I got involved with the musical project
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called Grand Gestures. So basically how that came about was
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there's a guy called Jan Burnet who was a brilliant,
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brilliant musician. He's in a band called Spacenaire who was
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sort of half donee half Glasgow. And we were Facebook
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friends and we just got chatting about music generally and
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and he said, look, this is a bit left field,
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but have you ever written music? I said, well, like
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like I've said to you, kind of comedy stuff. And
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he had this musical project. He said, what I'm going
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to do, what a plan to do is, I'm going
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to do the music. But I'm right, I'm asking friends
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and colleagues to write and call the lyrics. Some of
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them are in the business, some of them aren't. And
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I think, you know, would you fancy it? And I
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said that sounds amazing. And at that time, I just
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I was on Twitter and I'd started doing this weird
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kind of thing where I wonder what christer Berg's doing
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right now. It's just a stupid thing, right because he
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probably doesn't have to have a work again because the
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lady in red. Right, So I imagine the scenario where
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christ Berg's has going about board, buying stuff he doesn't need. Right,
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He's in the Apple shop now buying an iPad case
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for an iPad he doesn't have, and he hasn't bought
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an iPad because he bought a laser disc because he
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thought that was gonna be the future. He bought Jurassic
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Pocket laser disk and then it died. That's ourd So
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I just invented this kind of backstory for christ Bird
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cutting about board, and then when Jan approached me, I said,
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I need to write that into a song.
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So I wrote a song called I Wonder what christ
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Berg is doing right now?
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And the way I kind of shaped it was the
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first two verses of me just speculating about what the
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third verse is. It turns out I'm a stalker and
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I've been through his bin. So I'm pulling out a
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dairy Lee rapper. I'm writing about him, putt dairy lean
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as the Zanya and pulling seashells out has been because
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he makes seashell mirrors. Anyway, So me and Jan did
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four or five songs together. Actually where I did the
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lyrics and then we did live performances. We've done like
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three or four gigs like sporadically through the year.
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So I have it my toe.
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I'm a frustrated musician. So what happened with this song?
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It's called back in the Game?
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Yep.
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So there's a brilliant song by Echo and the Bunnyman
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called The Cutter. I think they're one of the best
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bands that I've ever lived, and they're British. I happened
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to think that Britain, Scotland, England, Britain, Whale, the whole bit.
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We still punch above our weight when it comes to comedy,
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music and football. Actually, I think those are the ones
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that we still for a wee nation, we do pretty well.
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And I love Echo on the Bunnyman. And so the
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song The Cutter so crack and pop tune, and it's
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one of those pop tunes which gives you real value
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for money because you've got the it starts off as
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it starts off, and you've got this middle bit. We're
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just sores into this kind of major chord thing and
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I've always loved it and it sounds we buil at
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bagpipes and I always thought they should commit fully to
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lean into the bagpipes because it's really uplifting. So that
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melody's always been in my hard drive, so I had
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it in my mind that that has to be a
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football chant. So when Scotland looked like they might they were,
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you know, getting close to qualifying, I made a deal
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with myself almost to make it happen. I said, if
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Scotland qualified, I will write the song. And they qualified,
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so I wrote the song, and I just wanted to,
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you know, cause I'm fifty five. Right the first World Cup,
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I remember I was seventy eight. I mean I was
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four in nineteen seventy four, but I never I wasn't
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aware of it. I think maybe my family came to
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Glasgow when I was three. I just wasn't quite old
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enough and I went to Primary one the next year
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and that's when I really got into playing football. So
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I just wasn't aware of the seventy four squad, which
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is a shame because what I scored.
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I mean I during.
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COVID they started showing old football games and they showed
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the Scotland Brazil game from seventy four. Scotland should have
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beaten in Brazil day. They were amazing and the talent
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on show like Jimmy Johnston, Yeah, everyone is fantastic. So
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I wanted to write a narrative about how we used
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to qualify for everything, you know, like that qualified again.
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We needed a break in ninety four and then obviously
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the baron years where we were always third, always in
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the playoffs. But now we're back and back in the game.
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Just was It's obviously it's like a set expression, but
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it's like back in the game four model syllables did
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but that has to be the title.
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And so that was it. And the worry with when
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you write a song.
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That's what I say, like like like a songwriter, but
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if you're writing a narrative, you're like, well, it can't
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be too long because it's the song. You want to
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contain it. So I was trying to be quite kind
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of concise with it. And I absolutely really want to
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write a verse about the Denmark game, which I did,
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so I was quite proud of myself that I managed
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to sort of tell the story.
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It was about.
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So she the writing process that before the Denmark game,
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I did you wait too?
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After that? Everything I had thoughts, so an idea the idea.
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So what I do is because when I used to
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write sketches and stuff, I would put ideas on my
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notes on my phone. And I had one football Sounds
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football song, right, and I put random notes in it. So,
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for example, there's my favorite line in the song is
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fueled by high cholesterol and those, so that was in
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my notes. And I wanted to write something about kids
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playing football on the Xbox, which I've done yeah, yeah,
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And so I had kind of a rough structure, so
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I knew, right, it will be about Scottland being brilliant,
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than not being brilliant, then being brilliant again, and then
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I wanted the the ethos to be gets to the
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playoffs now not quite as negative as dilementary, which is
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don't come home too soon, which I loved.
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Me sanging that one.
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Well, I mean it's a crack in tune.
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But and I love justin curring dilemity. I think they're ferents.
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I think they're really underrate it. Actually they seem to
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like that. They've got a global against that Scotland don't
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know about. But the I wanted to.
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I didn't, Yeah, I didn't want to be right away. Well,
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this is yeah, I don't have a pressure on the boys.
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I didn't. I didn't want it to be as bolls.
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Out as we're on the march with Ally's Army, which
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is another banger.
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And also you've got we.
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Have a dream too, which which is fine because you
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can say that without being possible negative. Actually, see if
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we get around and making a video for this, I
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want a shot of Andy Cameron holding a placard saying
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we're on march with Stevie's Army. I want a shot
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of John Gordon Sinclair with a plat card saying we
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still have a dream. I want a shot with Justin
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Curry with a plat card saying, seriously, lads don't come home,
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just as we met our reference to to the generations
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that have traveled with the Tartan Army and stuff. So yeah,
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I didn't want it to be overly positive overly negative.
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I just wanted to tell the story and I didn't
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want to be all you know, I put bad pops
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in it, but I didn't want to be all that thing,
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you know, like missting castles and this, and I just
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wanted to be about the football more than nothing else,
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and that that arc so I'm very pleased with it.
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I think it's a I do think it's a buyer.
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I'm pleasing Tom Yuriy, who's an absolute genius. He's the
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guy that's done all the music. So he came around
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my house record of the lyrics and bless him. Tom
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doesn't like football beat the sense of drama. He knew,
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totally knew how.
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To build it, build it, build it, build it, build it.
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And then the pipes coming. I must have met us
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practically in tears when I heard it the first time.
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So I'm pleased with it. God knows what will happen
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with it, but I'm glad it's out there. Yeah, I'm happy.
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I'm glad it's out there. And we're still working on
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how to get it out there, but yeah.
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We started.
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Obviously, you're about it seventy four, so you're saying seventy eight.
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What other kind of World Cup memories do you have?
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Then?
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Did you?
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Were you lucky enough to no?
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No, no, no, no, it was always I remember in
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eighty two we were on holiday in Malaysia because my mum,
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my dad's sister stays in Malaysia. I remember watching the
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New Zealand game at something like three in the morning
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and we had to persuade the neighbors at the Tellion
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for us and all that, and I've got strong members
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of that, but I never ever went to World Cup or.
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Yeah, my dad, we went away for the month. We
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drove Carabine everything.
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In the first game, the brazil game when David scoring
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upset with you there, yeah, in the Scotland in Scotland,
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then the wee story, we're going up to the stadium
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just before it was all the Brazilion the first time
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we kind of experienced that, and he'd all the Brazilion
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fans and my granddad was with us walking around to
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going to the stadium, and then the Brazilion TV cameras
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had stopped him and he said do you mind to
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do a quick interview, and there's a lot of Scottish
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fans around him.
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Mcgranna was like, yeah, no problem. He says, what do
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you think today?
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Mcganna says, well, my heart tells me Scotland, but my
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head tells me Brazil and all the Scottish fans started
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doing them around them and these week guys like that
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was brilliant.
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Can we do that again?
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Didn't record properly and then so sad to my grandad again,
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so what do you think today?
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My granddad said, oh, Scotland, we did well up until
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we upset them.
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And but you're watching that football member just as a
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young boy, like dreaming like Brazil and oh my god.
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It was just it was just like watching a different
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level of football, you know, even as a young boy.
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They get put it but didn't. But it wasn't a
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case of the they should have. They didn't game managed,
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did they. They decided just to still play football.
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It was like a globe trotters.
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Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. They should have shut they should
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have shut the door and they.
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Get the hat trick and rosy the New Zealand game
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that you're talking about there, I watched that recently. Someone
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popped up the two go effectively put us out because
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I think we were cruising and then they pulled two
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goals back out of nowhere. Yeah, and subsequently that knocked
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Is it difference?
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Yeah, yessr unbelievable.
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I've got really strong memory. As soon as running that game,
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he was fantastic. I don't to remember.
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Hi guys, just a big shout out to all our
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new members, thanks for joining up. I hope you've enjoyed
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all your giveaways, all the little bits of extra that
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we've done to join.
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What do we need to do?
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Jackie the links and descriptions said, climb down below cheers.
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But yeah, it's I've got.
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One of my strongest welcome memories was nineteen ninety. Right,
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So my brother got married in nineteen ninety And this
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isn't the Scotland memory, this is actually England. So my
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brother got married on the day that England were playing Cameroon, right,
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So I don't know if we've been a seat wedding. Nope,
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the Still Game wedding episode is based on my wedding. Yeah,
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I was briefly tell you seek weddings are huge. I
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mean you're talking at least five kud of people, right,
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And me and my missus get married, right. We neither
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of us was religious, so we had just like a
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registered wedding, but my dad had in fact detail this
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story before that. I proposed to Fiona in Crinan, which
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is like kind of towards it's beyond the open, and
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I proposed to and she said yes, And then we
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couldn't tell anyone because we didn't get any phone service.
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Till we got to loch Fine. So we drove to
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loch Fine and found a patch of service in the
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in the in the oyster bar. So Fiona phoned her sister,
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her mom and dad passed away. She phoned a sister,
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big squeals down the phone, and then I phoned my
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dad and my dad. So to give you a vision
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for my dad. My dad is devided without a turban
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and not quite as weigy. So my dad like this,
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checked the brish in your card, checked the brush and
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your dads just checked pressure everywhere, and you bastard something.
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So I phone, I phone my dad and the reds
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on and come round do the house. We will have celebrations.
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So between Locke find to my dad's house lived in
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calvinside what nineteen minutes, one hundred minutes. He'd phoned all
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the hotels in Glasgow, right, so twenty sixth of August
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is three, which would be good for the English school alreadays.
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At Christ's sake, he's already made the phone calls, so
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we just let him get on with it. So so
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we booked the Moatthhouse to tell in Glasgow, and there
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was going to be six hundred people I'd say I
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knew maybe on hundred and fifty of them, a lot
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of them were accounted and I didn't know. And uh,
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my Fiona says, so what's the deal with the evening guests?
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So she said, so what's so, what's happening with evening guests?
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And my dad said, what is evening guest? It's not
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a concept, he said, And we'd explained the exactly, so
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we'd explain to my dad an evening guest is someone
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you don't quite like.
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To have to get.
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Everyone in my son's wedding would be fed and watered,
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so that's what seat wedding is. It's like free booze,
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free drink, free food. And by the way, Mother India
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did the catering. Even hard and racists love Mother India's food.
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So it was a magic day. And my brother's wedding
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in nineteen ninety was a similar deal. It was a big,
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big It was at the Norman Day in Renfrew because
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that was all the Indian weddings were at the Red
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Fruit because the only one that we would do outside catering,
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and so obviously in the wedding is what Indian food,
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so brilliant brilliant wedding. And my cousin is in a band,
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a bunder a band called Bombie Talkie, right, and the
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singer so we're all dancing about. It's really really good
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night dancing about. And my mom had set up a
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TV in one room for the kids. So basically it
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was like the nineteen ninety so big j lo ass
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TV and a VCR and it was cartoons just for
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board kids.
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Really lovely thing to do.
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So they're watching cartoons in one room and the singer
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at the band roll dancing away, giving it some of that,
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and the singer says, oh, by the way, just to
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let you know if you're interested, cameroon have just gone
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to one up. All the guys just got up and left.
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All the English kind of guys got up and left.
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Cameron was playing England that night.
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Was it the Court of Roger Quarters, So they all
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got up and left. You know, the women of Dance
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Flop was gone, and I wish I'd taken a photo this.
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It was like thirty seat guys that can really concern.
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Kicked the kids off the telly, pulled the VCR out,
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put the telly on and they all watched the England
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Cameroon game while we were all dancing. So that was
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a brilliant summer because that's the thing you always associated
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with a really good summer, don't ye, And it always
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makes those summers.
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So last sixteen I think it was camera sixteen, so
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because then they played played Belgium. See, these are the
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ones that you can remember that. It's the recent times
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that I but yeah, ask me about nineteen ninety, I can.
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I think that was the last sixteen and then Belgium
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Belgium that when the plat Yeah, Germany.
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The Germany semi.
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It's also about how old you are. I find that
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until the age of eighteen, my memories like sharp. Yeah,
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really you can even smell it. After that, it just
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gets a bit vaguer. But I nineteen ninety was an
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amazing World Cup. Ninety four was a bit of a letdown,
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wasn't it.
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I Mean it just was.
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Not just how they weren't there.
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But how do you think this one will compare? Because
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it's obviously back in the States. Yeah, do you think
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this will be better? It's a lot more teams and
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obviously really rich makes it.
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Which makes it better.
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I think it will be I'll be honest, it's been
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had been ruined by what America has become. I don't
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mean American people has been American politics. It's kind of
488
00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.200
ruined it a wee bit for me. I thought there
489
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:42.799
was going to become a point where it wouldn't happen.
490
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.559
And absolute fiasco of the draw.
491
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.920
The times as well the times, and I was like
492
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.960
the times of the games. It's something about five am
493
00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.960
and are you doing No, We're actually we're up in
494
00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.799
Lerwick in the first game, believe it or not. Yeah,
495
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.720
randomly we've got a gig in Lerwick. Must staying up
496
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:04.599
for the for the game.
497
00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.720
Yeah, I quite like the idea watching it at the
498
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.200
middle of the night. Actually, weirdly, I'm not quite made
499
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.359
plans yet. There's there's there's one.
500
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:17.400
There's one day where my daughter's graduating, and then we've
501
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.839
got a graduation dinner and then is it the Morocco game. Yeah,
502
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.799
so that'll be an interesting yeah, yeah, yeah.
503
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:25.359
I mean when I think of Morocco and I think
504
00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:27.759
of the last game in ninety eight that was just
505
00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.079
talking about putting a bread knife into Bounty Castle.
506
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.559
I still see.
507
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.440
My son was saying, great news, Dad, Hakimi's injured and
508
00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.160
they played in the final there and he's a unit,
509
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.759
isn't the water player? I mean, okay, because I'm going
510
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.599
to say this up, Ladin, probably shouldn't. I think we're
511
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:46.720
going to get through the qualifiers.
512
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:47.839
I do as well.
513
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.319
I do I've got and I'm not just saying that.
514
00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:52.400
I think that.
515
00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:54.119
I know that Steve Clark is coming for a lot
516
00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.079
of stick force for being faithful to players. But I
517
00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.920
think what that's done is that's bread a real club
518
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.160
mentality with that team, and I think they would run
519
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.519
through brick wall for each other because when you think
520
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.319
of the four games, last four the competitive games, Scotland
521
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.880
didn't play brilliantly for ninety minutes, but they dug out results.
522
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.920
And we've got match winners now, which maybe we didn't before,
523
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.839
but we have match winners now. We've got real leaders
524
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.559
in the team and we've got a real a real
525
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:22.680
cohesion mentally.
526
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:25.480
You'll know better than I will about how much that
527
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:26.359
is a factor, and.
528
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.519
You know, and you can put I think I think
529
00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:32.960
they've got unfinished business, not that squad. I've not did
530
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.799
the songs justice in the last two Euros.
531
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:35.799
That's it.
532
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.759
They've also gained the experience, have been characters.
533
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.920
Good to see them can experience at winning now as well. Yeah,
534
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.200
you know, and that makes a big difference in robots
535
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.440
and when the league again.
536
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.160
Yeah, and these are these are I mean, I would
537
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:52.960
imagine these are amazing guys to have in your tress them.
538
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.960
All they need is are really banging tune to send
539
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.960
them out like a catchy tune. Do you know the
540
00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:58.440
name checks some of the players.
541
00:24:58.839 --> 00:24:59.519
I'll work on it.
542
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.599
It's definitely I would.
543
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.319
Love them to hear it though, just in the in
544
00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:06.079
the dressing room, honestly, because I think it is it
545
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:10.240
kind of gets you in the fields, I think, unassumed bagpipes.
546
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.720
So yeah, I know I've got a good feeling. I
547
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:16.680
have a good feeling about this and in a way
548
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.279
like we're always going to be prepared mentally for it
549
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:27.119
not happening, right, But so it's I think as a
550
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.279
Scotland fan, it probably is enough that we're there, right,
551
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.000
How good would it be though if we just actually
552
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:35.079
got on, you know what I mean?
553
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:36.160
But it's.
554
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:39.440
We were never entitled in the way that you know,
555
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:41.839
I wouldn't say England fans, I'd say that England press
556
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:44.799
are entitled. We're never going to feel entitled in that way.
557
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.680
So everything even look, even if we get a draw
558
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:50.680
against Hated, I think points on the board, points on
559
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:54.240
the board. You know, the usual Scotland template is we
560
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.319
don't beat the teams that were meant to be that
561
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.799
you know, we're better on the counter and all that stuff.
562
00:25:58.799 --> 00:25:59.400
But I don't know.
563
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.400
I think because of the last two tournaments. You know
564
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.200
that that Germany game, I mean, my god, what a
565
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.519
kick in the stains that was. And I think I'm
566
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.400
sure Stevie Glock has learned from that, like you can't
567
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.200
you can't go out cage. You just need to go
568
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.240
and actually trying and land Begause rather than try and
569
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.079
wait for you know what I mean, try and like.
570
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.519
Robe oh Die definitely and those younger boys obviously I've
571
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.200
mentioned gannon Ok and the young friendly Cutters.
572
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:27.680
Well, it just gives the squad a b bit more
573
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.599
energy totally, and just that kind of gallousness and that,
574
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.640
you know what it reminds me of. So when we
575
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.480
did the first Steel Game live show in the Hydro,
576
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.160
no one had done narative comedy like that before on
577
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:46.400
a stage like that, right, So the rest of the
578
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.240
cast are really shouting themselves because they know how.
579
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:49.920
On More behaves.
580
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.519
They know how the King Steater behaves, they know how
581
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.039
they are harmor behaves, they know how the commonyal theater behaves.
582
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:56.240
How the hell is it Hydro going to behave? It's
583
00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:01.440
eleven thousand people. I've never done theater before, so this
584
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:05.039
is happening. So that'll be Kindley Curtis, he'll be like
585
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.119
and also he probably you know, he doesn't remember when
586
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.079
we did qualify for things. It's complete elite black canvas,
587
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.960
so that'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
588
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.039
You'd like to say, lack of fear. That's what you need,
589
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.680
isn't it? Just just you know? Because I would imagine
590
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.240
if you were like a player with certain vintage and
591
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.000
you're playing Brazil, just the word Brazil would turn your
592
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.440
legs to jelly. We'd like to think if you're seventy
593
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.240
the old match, complaining Brazil will be like you know,
594
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.880
a kick you back. It'll be like a kickaback with
595
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.839
your older brother's pals, and you are trying to skin
596
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.359
them because of your older brother's pals.
597
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.480
So hopefully he'll be trying stuff against.
598
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.240
Should a great picture it was on I think the
599
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.359
Scottish Instagram and that was Cutlass and Dopey.
600
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:47.799
They're both nineteen, aren't they.
601
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.960
And you're just thinking what an experience do you and
602
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.599
play represent your country at the World Cup. Yeah, it
603
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.480
must be absolutely buzzing to of them. Yeah, and the
604
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:00.400
young boy Fletcher getting on his well.
605
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:01.920
Oh I thought he was fantastic.
606
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.119
Yeah, he's he's got an interest in kind of like
607
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.319
because I see is he's seventeen eighteen.
608
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.680
Nineteen, but he's a big univer boy.
609
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:11.680
He's like his dad.
610
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.240
Scotland's spraying the ball about and he's his.
611
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.160
Brother must be wondering books because his brother's representing England
612
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:24.839
nineteen of course represented either. So he's sitting there watching
613
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.319
his brother making his debut for Scotland and getting on.
614
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.200
The client of the World Cup. He does play like
615
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.400
his dad. He is very like Darren the May moves
616
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:32.720
as well.
617
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:34.599
Yeah, you know, I was very impressive. A lot of
618
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.400
I wasn't. I have to say I wasn't aware of him.
619
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.400
I mean that's I think he had played like seventeen
620
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.440
minutes or something that was saying like men's football. Yeah,
621
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.440
usually played more for Scotland than he has. Yeah, you
622
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:50.000
know anywhere else, which is which is you know bizarre yeh.
623
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:52.240
And he didn't look at the place at all. He
624
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.440
looked confident and you can see obviously the big decision
625
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.559
for Steve to pick him.
626
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:03.359
Yeah, you know over bye then Yeah, so.
627
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:06.880
It's a shame for Billy Gilmore. Oh, it's just I
628
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.200
think you can see with the players how Yeah, you're
629
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.079
talking a tight group. Yeah you know how got you
630
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.480
to wear from Yeah, hopefully he has another one.
631
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:17.400
Thank you know.
632
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.400
We have to make sure for Billy Gilmore that we
633
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.039
go to another tournament because I think he was he
634
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.599
deserves to be on the world stage.
635
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.319
I think he's the bravery.
636
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.240
He can take the ball on the six yard line
637
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.400
happily last for on the six yard line and spin
638
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.039
and spray it abouts a he's a brilliant player.
639
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.480
So no, we're doing it for Billy. If nothing else,
640
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:36.640
we're going to get to the next tournament.
641
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.079
So to go back to your still game, then we
642
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.720
have to touch on still game. You're doing an impression
643
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.279
in your dad. There is that a bit of inspiration.
644
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.599
From completely So I used to write for Tune the
645
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.960
fact that's how I know Ford and Dragon and of
646
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.240
all that, I meant it before, So I was always
647
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.240
We're always circling around each other and we were pals
648
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.920
and we'd work on projects together. And then Dune the
649
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.279
Vat came along and I used to be the producer
650
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.640
of the first radio show. Because people don't realize the
651
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.759
reason it's called Chewing the Fat is when it was
652
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.240
first in the radio, it was an hour. So the
653
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.079
reason the show came about at all was Radio Scotland
654
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.319
needed something to fill Saturday afternoons during the close season,
655
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.559
so they used to love telling the story. They used
656
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:22.480
to have this show where they would just do the
657
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.079
shinty results and play music. So in the end, can
658
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.200
you see it as fun? And now this is not
659
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.000
a van I would smell its like teen spin it
660
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.559
it's mental. So they thought that'd be a good place
661
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.039
to just showcase some comedy whatever. So Ford and Greg
662
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.720
hadn't long been together as a kind of double act,
663
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.440
and they put together the show called Chewing the Fat,
664
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.839
and the idea would be that they as themselves would
665
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.160
chat chew the fat, then play some music, then play
666
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.720
sketch and back to them as themselves. So they were
667
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.599
literally just chewing the fat. Yea, And that's why the
668
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.200
show was called that, and then they truncated it to
669
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:00.880
half an hour where and then it went on the
670
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.599
Telly and by the time he got into Telly that
671
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.799
there was one series where they'd have this chat thing,
672
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.880
but it wasn't quite working.
673
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:06.519
So they've been that.
674
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.160
And then by the time the fact became popular, it
675
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.759
was just sketch sketch, sketch, sketch sketch. So and I
676
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.599
was involved as a producer. Then I was a writer
677
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:19.920
on the show. And so when You're the Fat finished,
678
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.079
there were a few a few candidates for a spin off.
679
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:29.039
So Ronald Villiers nearly got my favorite brilliant based on
680
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.880
an actor. And I don't know if the actor knows yeah,
681
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.000
because apparently this guy to suppose he said him, so
682
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.960
you come on him, So you come on with the
683
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.680
curtain goes and cut and goes everything said to him
684
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:49.200
a couple of coffee. So, so Ford based on him
685
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.559
as genius genius, and it was so that nearly became
686
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.160
a spin off. Karen and Bar's teacher character really became
687
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.279
a spin off. In fact, I co wrote a pilot episode.
688
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.200
But I think it was always going to be still
689
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.079
game because I'm sure you guys know, it was a
690
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.119
show before Tuning the Fat. It was a stage show
691
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.680
that had been on the Courtiers and had been to
692
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.799
the Edroo a festival, and then Tune the Fat came along,
693
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.559
and they just took those two old guys and put
694
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.240
them in sketches. And so when Tune the Fat finished,
695
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.519
that was the most obvious kind of candidate for spin off.
696
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.720
So they already had Jack and Victor. They also had
697
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.920
versions of Tam and Winston because they used to do
698
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:34.279
the songs on Shooing the Fat. And so they approached
699
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:38.119
me and they said, and Greg said to me, he said, look,
700
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:40.440
it's really really funny when you impersonate your dad, because
701
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.519
Greg knew my dad. And he said, would you be
702
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.440
up for playing this character, the shopkeeper character? And had
703
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:52.680
a few questions because i'd the Asian shopkeeper stereotype is
704
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.880
a stereotype of a reason, but I think they're good reasons.
705
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.119
I think it speaks a lot about a work ethic. Also,
706
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.319
you know, my mum we had a shot for a while,
707
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.839
but my mom was a social work and my dad
708
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.799
was a teacher. But you know, they felt that they
709
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.839
could do better with the business, you know, and Also,
710
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.480
my dad turban seek man, so his friends getting promoted
711
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:11.000
and he didn't.
712
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.519
He had his own reasons as to why that might
713
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.440
be the case. So we had a shop for a while,
714
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.839
and so I loved the idea of shopping.
715
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.680
I'd watch my mom's serve customers and they would come
716
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.960
into the shop and they see this wee bunjubby woman
717
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.319
and a show archamies, and you could just sense like,
718
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.920
it's not a racist thing. It's just like fear of
719
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.799
the unknown. How do I talk to this person? And
720
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.799
then you'd open my mouth and are English is perfect?
721
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.200
And then I could just see the barriers coming down.
722
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.640
So I've always liked it's almost like shops are at
723
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.000
the cold face of kind of interracial relations in a
724
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.839
weird way. So I've always liked the idea of shops.
725
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:48.599
So I thought, do I want to propagate this Asian stereotype?
726
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.319
I said, yes, I do. It's a positive thing. It's
727
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:55.000
a good thing. And also when you it's slightly most
728
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.319
serious point, but when you watched like say EastEnders here
729
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.799
right when it started in the mid eighties, the Asian families,
730
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.920
they're very much victims. They were getting racist abuse, they
731
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:05.880
were getting stones put through the window, and that story
732
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.719
didn't need to be told because it happened. But the
733
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.639
story had been told. So now let's talk about who
734
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.760
we are now, not victims. But by the way, na
735
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.000
Vida is the richest guy in Cradlene. He's the one
736
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.440
driving the tan Mark with a private number of plates.
737
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.840
He's the one with the golden ticket at the wedding. Tom,
738
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.360
I'm happy to celebrate that. And also he's pretty, he's flawed,
739
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.880
he's arrogant, he's nobody's victim. So I was absolutely up
740
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:32.519
for playing him. And so basically I think this is
741
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.360
what happened. I can't remember the exact details. I think
742
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.039
I asked if he could just claim like my dad,
743
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.360
like a turban seek, which would have been fine, except
744
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.320
the wedding episode. The punchline was nay drink at the
745
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.440
Muslim wedding. You can't say nay drink a seat wedding
746
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:49.920
because you'll never see more alcohol in your life, and
747
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.039
it's free. So I think what maybe happened was was
748
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.480
that they probably already had the idea of the beard
749
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.039
and attached because he was going to be a sek,
750
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.360
and they just said, let just lose the turban. That
751
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.400
was quite happy about that because it gives you armor,
752
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.679
it gives you something a shield. And also I just
753
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.719
channeled my dad anyway, because I just had to kind
754
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.159
of use my dad's voice like this, but totally just
755
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.360
vg fire the Weeber dinner Doerty's guardy junkie bastard because
756
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.199
that's how my dad speaks. And I don't think I
757
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.880
don't think the boys knew that I'm gonna swear loads now.
758
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.280
I don't think the boys Jack Ford and Greg knew
759
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.920
that bastard was my dad's swear with a choice. Yeah,
760
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.880
because when my dad was a teacher, he used to
761
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.239
be Mark and Joughters in his bureau. In his bedroom,
762
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.039
me and my brothers are playing football with the roads
763
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:37.960
up sot right, making a racket, jumping on the bed.
764
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.239
My dad would come through, you bloody bastards. And that's
765
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.639
when you knew the boats up in the slice.
766
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:44.679
So I don't think they knew that bastard is like,
767
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.360
you know, bossard is a great word because it's theoretic.
768
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.840
It's only got two as in that we could put
769
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:49.519
thirteenags in it.
770
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.639
You must.
771
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.880
You bended like a tremble of arm. So I had
772
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.159
great fun doing it. I mean, you know, people say
773
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.719
to me, how hard is it getting the character?
774
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.880
Did easy? It's child my dad.
775
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.039
It's funny because remember we got you to come down
776
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.119
to the football campus, yes two or three years ago,
777
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.880
maybe a bit longer actually, and to meet the kids.
778
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:13.719
And we got the kids gathered around me yourself, and
779
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.400
they just wanted to hear you recite stuff. And they
780
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.440
could recite lines. It was amazing, all these young kids.
781
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:27.920
And I probably told you the story. I was playing
782
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.719
fives in tom Chapel. It was like a cold Tuesday night.
783
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:32.920
Nobody better apart from the guys that were playing.
784
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:34.519
And I just heard.
785
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.599
And I turned around and I swear to God, eleven
786
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.280
year old boy, a more ginger, freckly boy in his
787
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.079
dad's no face, jackla this, I said, who said that?
788
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.159
I said that, you never I did do it again?
789
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:48.719
Then all right?
790
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.519
I think about when kids like the show, that's the
791
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.360
most gratifying thing. Kids will not lie to you, kids
792
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.559
will cross the road to tell you something shite. So
793
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.320
when kids like the show, it's absolutely.
794
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:03.840
Take that to the bank. And I love that.
795
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:09.519
I love that this older Muslim Asian character has connected
796
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.119
with people especially in the current climate where certain political
797
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.760
forces are trying to mean differentiate between.
798
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:18.480
Us and other people.
799
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.800
And you know, it's really really important to me that
800
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.119
this because he's so well written, because because I don't
801
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.440
write Ford and read write every single word of it,
802
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.559
but I can bring my authenticity in the physicality and
803
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.719
the voice and all that. And if he feels like
804
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.079
a real person and you like him, then I've done
805
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.880
my job. You know, it could be that you don't
806
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.159
have anyone visibly different in your life, but oh, that
807
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.360
guy in D that kind of D. Someone was telling
808
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.360
me that they went to the Sevil for the UFO
809
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.440
Cup final and there was loads of planes flying out
810
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.119
and they were just full of guys like high on
811
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.880
life and wisecrack and there were these two guys and
812
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:57.519
they were the two kind of like funny guys on
813
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.880
the plane and they started doing and the fascination And
814
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.400
he said, even two years ago that might have been racist,
815
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.960
but they were doing it with affection. And he said
816
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.599
it was a real moment for him that they were
817
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.119
impersonating this Asian character. But it wasn't slagging him. It
818
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:13.079
was like because they liked it.
819
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.880
That was nice to hear it's changed so much to
820
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.800
the comedy. If you've found a big difference in last
821
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:20.000
decade with that.
822
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.199
Yeah, PC, I mean yeah, I mean there's obviously I
823
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.480
mean I watched stuff back and it would never get made.
824
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.760
I just think I have to say I hate it
825
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.760
when mostly tax your drivers. You can't see it then anymore? Well,
826
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.239
you just did. You just need to be a bit
827
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:35.880
more careful abou who the target your jokers?
828
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.800
And I think there is an element of it's like
829
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:41.760
kind of thing. It's like the pendulum can swing too
830
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.920
far the other way, but it will settle a point.
831
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.960
So maybe we are chucking some babies out with the
832
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.400
bath water, but it will settle back. But I think
833
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:55.360
it's important to realize who the target of your jokers.
834
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.119
I'll give you a very This might seem like a
835
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.639
flippant example, but it kind of tells the story of
836
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.119
comedy is you have to you really have to think
837
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.159
that you have to be laser guided in who your
838
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.119
target is and just just have a think about it. Now,
839
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.199
this is a flippant example, but it tells the story.
840
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.039
So when I was on Twitter, I did a joke
841
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.880
and it's not a great joke. I said I don't
842
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.920
use fairy liquid anymore. I don't see why we should
843
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.079
have to melt fairies just so we have clean dishes, right, Okay,
844
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.159
So the idea is fairy liquid's made out of fairies.
845
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.280
Okay, okay, joke, and the.
846
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:27.800
Guy got back to me and he said, don't even
847
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.760
start me on Linda McCartney sausages, the idea being that
848
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.360
Linda McCartney sausages I made out of Linda McCartney, which
849
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.840
I thought was genius, right, So then I did a
850
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.719
tweet and I said, and I made sure that he
851
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.800
got credit for it as well. I said, for anyone
852
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.039
that has bought a Linda McCartney sausage in the last
853
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.280
three years, it probably doesn't contain in any Linda McCartney.
854
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.559
She wasn't that big, right, And I.
855
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.719
Immediately regretted it because I thought, well, imagine, like Paul
856
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.360
McCartney read that, and I love Paul McCartney. I imagine
857
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.920
he took offense. But if he did say to me,
858
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:58.400
join your phones, so that what I'd say to him
859
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.039
is you're not the talk at that joke, and neither's
860
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.320
your late wife the target of that joke. If you
861
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.519
think about it, is people who might be stupid enough
862
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.400
to think that Lynda McCartney sausages contain Lynda McCartney. It's
863
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.039
that complex. But I think you should have to justify
864
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.679
the joke. And if you're punching down, I'm a big
865
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.639
believer in that, don't punch down. Don't victims don't need it.
866
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.000
You know, punch up, punch sideways, you know, tackle authority,
867
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:24.559
tackle that guy beside you.
868
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:26.119
But don't punch down. There's no need for that.
869
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:28.760
And if you look at the more extreme kind of
870
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.400
racist comedy of the seventies eighties, people like Jim Davidson
871
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.320
and Burn and Manning, they were completely punching down. But
872
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.960
I do think that we're maybe slightly over I think
873
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:44.000
there's maybe a generation that get offended and don't really
874
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.880
think about why they're offended and then maybe only write
875
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.199
a certain percentage of the time. But I do think
876
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:54.000
it is from my perspective, it's important that you should
877
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.880
be able to justify any jokes that you tell.
878
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.000
Yeah, and I think you're in one of the best
879
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.079
films I've seen for a long time. I swear, I
880
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.639
mean that's what film it was. You see it, it
881
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:11.440
makes you laugh like cry. It just feel every growing
882
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.599
up and thinking that the documentaries on him and.
883
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.679
Laughing it's not Maddy thing, it's funny and everything else.
884
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.440
But then you actually watch the film and but that.
885
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.400
But that's another example of when you laugh at what
886
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.119
a tourette's I don't think you say suffer, do you?
887
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.119
I'll say anyway tourette suffer says you're not. You have
888
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.519
to make a choice you laughing at what they're saying
889
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:35.599
or at the person. And you're not really laughing at
890
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.840
the person at least you wouldn't now that you know.
891
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.400
But it's okay to laugh at what they say because
892
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.760
the whole point of tourettes is you're saying the unsable,
893
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.039
and a lot of time that's what comedy is.
894
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.119
It's that's what it's for. It's saying the unstable. So
895
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:49.920
you're allowed to laugh.
896
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.480
But as long as you're not laughing at the person
897
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.760
that's saying it, you're laughing at what they're saying. And
898
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.440
John Davidson himself is very clear about that. He says,
899
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.039
I want people to laugh at the film because it's funny.
900
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.559
What I say. It's funny, you know, But then you
901
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:03.599
see me getting you know then sometimes it's not funny.
902
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:05.519
Sometimes I get beaten up for seeing it.
903
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:11.159
But what a wonderful film, even just even if you
904
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.320
park the whole subject matter of the film, just the
905
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.440
way the Scotland's portrayed really authentically. I love the scenes
906
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.440
at the school dinner. Yeah, it felt so real that
907
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:26.400
Gregory's gone. It felt really really just authentic. And his
908
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:30.800
performance rob Arramayo. I mean when I got cast for
909
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.960
the job, I actually originally auditioned to play the policeman,
910
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.280
but the game of the shopkeeper. Again, happy to play
911
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.199
shop absolutely happy to play shopkeeper, available for work.
912
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.639
So I went for a makeup test and this guy
913
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.559
comes over and he said, oh, that's that's Robbie's the actor.
914
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.079
And he says, just what is here. It's a pleasure
915
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.599
of walking with you. I'm a big fan of your luck.
916
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.159
And he shook my hand. He's what lovely young boy,
917
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.880
and and he was ticking as well.
918
00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:59.880
I thought, what a brilliant bit of cast thing to
919
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.440
find someone from the borders that has turettes to play
920
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:03.960
someone from the borders that has tourettes.
921
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.280
So then four weeks later we're film in.
922
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.679
Our scenes and there's a break in filming and I
923
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:12.480
was chatting to this really nice woman that was involved
924
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.360
in the production and I said, oh, forgive my ignorance,
925
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.280
but what's your part of the production. She said, Oh,
926
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.960
I'm Rob's voice coach. I said, oh, right, so he's
927
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.800
not from the borders, so what Bot Scottons is from Hull?
928
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.840
I know, by the way, he's not got Tourette's either.
929
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.519
He came to Gallic Yule's two months before filming and
930
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.119
went method What a performance.
931
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.880
He even physically looks like John David says scary.
932
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.079
And I'm so glad that he won the awards because
933
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.840
I just think it's a generational performance and a really
934
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:43.719
really great film.
935
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.039
It's like, you know, I'll say this to a missus.
936
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:48.880
You go and see a film these days and it
937
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.480
might be dead entertaining and dead diverting, and you've had
938
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.880
a good time, but it doesn't really affect you. I
939
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.519
came out bouncing out of that film because it's all
940
00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.800
about how people help other people and it was really
941
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.679
properly uplifting. It's also the first time I've cried at
942
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.599
a trailer. I've never cried at a film trailer before,
943
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.599
and that bit he's in the hostel bed saying I'm
944
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:09.159
just tired.
945
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:13.880
But the other thing, but the trailer was was that
946
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.239
me and my wife had gone to see the Naked
947
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.679
Gun reboot Don't.
948
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:23.159
Bother, Don't watched the original ten times. It is amazing.
949
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.159
And then the trailers came up, and then the I
950
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.239
swear trailer came up. So you hear the new Order
951
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:34.000
Blue Monday hearing his bike, and then you hear this voice,
952
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.079
wait again, I'm in the trailer. I'm in the film
953
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.679
for thirty one second and I made the trailer. I
954
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.440
think it might be the first film trailer I've been in.
955
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:43.760
So it's popcorn everywhere.
956
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.320
I'm in the trailer. I'm in the trailer longer than in.
957
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.400
The film, so that was a lovely moment. But yeah,
958
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.119
I cried at the trailer. So I thought, well, this
959
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.559
is gonna be a good film. And my god, it's interesting.
960
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.719
The whole Bafter controversy, you know, I think you know,
961
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.400
it was horrible for John. Yeah, but I think it's
962
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:05.719
a good thing in the end. Because I said this
963
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.159
to John. I messaged him.
964
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.519
I said, look, I'm probably a thousandth person to say
965
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.920
to number one, I hope you feel, how loved you
966
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:13.920
are and how much support you've got.
967
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Number Two, it's only going to bring traffic to the film,
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especially in the States. If Jamie Fox is going to
969
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.159
run his mouth off and say things up thinking, people
970
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.480
are going to want to watch this film. And I
971
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.719
always say to people, if, if you, if you were
972
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.320
offended by what John Davis to send the bafters, watch
973
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:36.400
the film and see a guy saying something involuntarily and nearly.
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Losing his life for it. Yeah, that's the lesson.
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00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:40.639
So what I'm hoping is is that more people watch
976
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.400
the film because it's a lovely film and it's a
977
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.079
changing it's a life changing film.
978
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.679
Even the start of it.
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00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.440
He wants to see the Queen true story as well
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00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.320
true story and it's interesting, you know, watching that in
981
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:53.119
Glasgow as well.
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00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:58.320
Exactly.
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00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.800
It's the first film I've seen for a long time.
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00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:02.199
Yeah, I know.
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00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.880
It is almost came to the end and I've not
986
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.519
even spoken about Department Q. Yes, I love that, love
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00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:10.400
that for series.
988
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:11.599
You're doing it again, doing it again.
989
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.840
We start actually we're filming in the summer. I mean,
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00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.360
if I had any plans to go to America, I
991
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.719
couldn't make any plans because of course, yeah, we're basically
992
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.000
filming June, July, August, on a bit of September. I think.
993
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.760
So it's not I won't be out every day because
994
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:26.400
my character does not one of the main ones. But
995
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.880
I can't make plans because schedules change. But what a
996
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.639
lovely bit of work. We really enjoying that again a
997
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.079
lot like I Swear.
998
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.800
It's not a Scottish production, but it really you know,
999
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.760
it showcases Scottish talent in a big, big way, brilliant
1000
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.840
Scottish cost and the reason.
1001
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.360
For that is quirky characters.
1002
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's also the look of it. It's like, yeah,
1003
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:49.519
is this the near future?
1004
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.079
Is it where we are? Absolutely?
1005
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.719
The mullets, the clothes and my clothes I've got. I've
1006
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.880
got the best dressing gown in the world when I
1007
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.920
do my tai Chie and I've got it. Apparently the
1008
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.599
found it, so we're using it again. But what the
1009
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.159
story with Department Q is. It's actually a series of
1010
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.199
Danish novels called The Keeper of Small Causes by a
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00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:08.159
writer called.
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00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:09.079
Uc Adler Olson.
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00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.400
So Scott Frank who's the writer director of I Swear,
1014
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.239
he also did the Queen's Gambit, which is another brilliant
1015
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.239
series of the Chess one. He had the rights to
1016
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.360
the books right, and I don't know how long he
1017
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.800
had that, maybe three, four or five years, Like I said,
1018
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.239
Danish series of books which has been made into film
1019
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.880
in Denmark. He found himself in Edinburgh and fell in
1020
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:34.639
love with Scotland and fell in love with Edinburgh, and
1021
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.000
he just decided on, we're going to set this in Scotland.
1022
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.159
So he's from San Francisco, So it took a guy
1023
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:41.559
from San.
1024
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.559
Francisco to realize our worth in a way that some
1025
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.559
foot from London don't realize our worth.
1026
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.079
Yeah, that's another podcast, don't start. So he said, yeah,
1027
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:55.480
we're having an Edinburgh and such a brilliant area of
1028
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.760
Scottish talent, but a really good story. You know that
1029
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.760
first episode. People have been saying to me that they
1030
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.599
don't normally binge watch anything, but because they watched the first.
1031
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.679
End, is that WHOA yeah, because it's a double timeline.
1032
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.760
Thing that I didn't see that coming in. I think
1033
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.760
Matt Matthew Good is astonishing lead and I get to
1034
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.039
play a smarts. It turns out quite good at it,
1035
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.840
locking on with him and talk about Yoko Ono and
1036
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.760
Vic Kinstein all this. It's it's a really really good
1037
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.280
script and Scott Frank likes comedy, so he said to me, look,
1038
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:29.599
if you want to try stuff, try it.
1039
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.559
Wow, it's amazing and the fact it's on Netflix. I mean,
1040
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:36.280
don't get me wrong.
1041
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.119
I love working in Scotland and I'm happy to you know,
1042
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.840
I've got a great profile here and still game has
1043
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:42.199
opened a lot of doors. But you know, it'd be
1044
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.440
nice to have a global k and a profile at
1045
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.400
the same time. So that's been nice. I was getting
1046
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.199
texts from Australia from people saying this show is amazing
1047
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.559
and by the way, is that you is that away?
1048
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.800
I said, yes, it's a wag because he's my character
1049
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:00.440
is sort of an indetermined age. We reckon he's probably
1050
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.760
mid to late thirties. He's an internal student. So they
1051
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:05.559
plunged the show and Rider were on mate and they
1052
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.159
took all the black out of the stubble, all great
1053
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.599
out of my stubble and gave me some outstandingly psychedelic
1054
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.719
clothes to her and the great fun, great dialogue, great show.
1055
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:16.400
It's been an absolute joy.
1056
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.320
And yeah, so we're doing season two and what I'm
1057
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.000
hoping is is it keeps going because, like I say,
1058
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.760
there's nine or ten novels, and I don't know. If
1059
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:28.360
you guys are fans of Slow Horses, you should absolutely
1060
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.679
watch a bit of the Start. It's a similar vibe
1061
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.679
in terms of it being like a crime thing. But
1062
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.440
and that's on a season six and seven, so it'll
1063
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.119
be nice to keep it going.
1064
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.760
Yeah, well, we could be here and talk all day.
1065
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.159
That was brilliant. We finish the podcast with a recommendation
1066
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.480
from the previous guests and then you've got to do likewise.
1067
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.639
So the last one was Ryan Pollock, who I don't
1068
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.920
know how to the screen, ran Jimmy Boy Daddy and Carlie.
1069
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.880
It's influencers on TikTok. Anyway, it was a great guest.
1070
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.719
He's recommended a film, an album, and a song. Okay,
1071
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.199
so his film you know what, Bad Boys Too.
1072
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.519
I've never seen it. If youre not, I've not seen it.
1073
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.599
I've not seen Bad Boys, you know, so I need
1074
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:12.960
to watch the.
1075
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:14.639
Watched one and two.
1076
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.360
Yeah, his album was on the teenage Streets.
1077
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:19.519
Okay, Well we've all had that. Yeah, and that was
1078
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.360
a lovely boy by the way, is in Still Game
1079
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:26.719
he before he was famous. Yeah, he gets onto a bus.
1080
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.440
He's aged fourteen and yeah yeah, so yeah, if you
1081
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.639
google it, someone's taking a still and put it on.
1082
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.280
So I for that and the song you'll have held
1083
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.039
as well. Robbie Williams angels right, Okay, so we need
1084
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.599
a film off you an album song.
1085
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.519
Okay, Well I'm just gonna I'll say I swear just
1086
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:45.239
because we talked about it.
1087
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:50.800
But also Angel Heart, which is the Mickey Rourke Robert
1088
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.719
de Niro film eighty seven. It's like a gothic horror.
1089
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.360
It was when Mickey Rourke was still, you know, like
1090
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.239
a real force and Robert hero who's never stopped, really
1091
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.079
been a force, but they were both at the height
1092
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.960
of their game. And Mickey Rooke plays Harold Angel, who's
1093
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.239
this detective who has been sent to find this singer
1094
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:10.639
who turns out was dabbling and satanism.
1095
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.239
It is a wonderful film. It's really gets into your bones,
1096
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:17.719
really good film. And it's like two actors at the
1097
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:18.360
peak of the game.
1098
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.920
And there's a scene at the end which I won't
1099
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.079
spoil it, but because there's a big, big spoiler which
1100
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.440
I'm not going to say very good film.
1101
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:28.320
And it's a film that never gets repeated. Really, I
1102
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.360
don't know what the deal is eighty seven. I want
1103
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.519
to say when I first watched it, I thought, oh.
1104
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.840
I like that Mickey Rourke guy, because he'd done a
1105
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.639
couple of things by then and obviously have a new
1106
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.800
Robert de Niro. It was also the same year he
1107
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.239
did Midnight Run, which is one of the best comedies
1108
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.320
ever made, so that there's a two for mid Night Run,
1109
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:50.280
one of those films. You know, get those films where
1110
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.239
it will be on the Tell, it will be on
1111
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.239
Channel four and you shall watch five minutes before you
1112
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:56.039
know it's rolling. So a good Fela is like, I'll
1113
00:51:56.039 --> 00:52:00.480
watch five minutes because I know this film Midnight Run
1114
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.079
one of those ones.
1115
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:04.239
Okay, So there's that album wise.
1116
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.599
That's hard. I'm gonna say Public Enemy. It takes a
1117
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.639
nation of billions to hold us back. It's the It's
1118
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:13.519
the It's the album that woke me up to hip hop.
1119
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.079
I mean hip hop was a thing when I was
1120
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.159
fifteen sixteen, but that was the first kind of political
1121
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.360
hip hop. I remember being in the car driving to
1122
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.440
school and the radio Amazon it was Mike Reid, not
1123
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.239
Mike Read. It was Mike Smith, and he played this
1124
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.960
song bring the Noise, and I remember just like like
1125
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.320
a like a meerkats and what is that slab of noise?
1126
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:35.079
And it's from the album.
1127
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:39.119
It just sounds really powerful and angry and it's a fantastic,
1128
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:41.599
fantastic album. It's got don't believe the hype on it
1129
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.760
as well, and Black Stealing the Hour of Chaos.
1130
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.320
It's a real good entry point into sort of political
1131
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:53.719
hip hop. So like that and the song there's a
1132
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.320
World Cup song called back in the Game which have
1133
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:58.880
to do it? Get out?
1134
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.679
Yeah, I'm in the process now of hopefully by the
1135
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.840
time that goes out, I'll be able to you could
1136
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.480
stick a link on because it's so hot off the
1137
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.639
press that I don't know. Spotify YouTube will be something.
1138
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.920
Hopefully we'll have done a video as well, but we're
1139
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.840
running out of time. I mean as we speak now,
1140
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.760
we're two weeks off the first game. So fingers crossed
1141
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.599
we can get a video out there, so you might
1142
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.880
get a phone call apparently only keep you obscuated? How
1143
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:31.880
many keep you up is can you do? So I
1144
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:35.199
fingers crossed we can get a video and get out
1145
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:39.920
there and so in a very Unscottish, very self indulgent way,
1146
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:42.840
and how to put a voice on some embarrassed.
1147
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:47.280
You should listen to Back in the Game by Sanji
1148
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:52.599
Curley and Tom muriy perfectly enjoy