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It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's new radio.
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Cole, thank you very much as we move through this
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really chilly night boy. If you're out and about it,
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I hope you bundled up, and if you're driving, I
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hope the heat is working in the car. We'll take
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you all the way to midnight. As to Cole suggested,
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my name is Dan Ray, host of Nightside here every
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weeknight from eight until midnight, almost weeknights. Every once in
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a while I take a night off here in a
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night there. But for the most start Rob Brooks and
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the night Side team. Rob is back in the control room.
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Of course during the day, Marita or aka Lightning, helps
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us set up the program, and we have a four
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interesting guest in this first hour. And without any further Ado,
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I want to introduce some Meredith Goldstein. Meredith, how are
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you tonight?
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I'm okay, I'm losing my voice, which is ironic being
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considering what we're about to talk about.
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Well, I got it, and I'm going to try to
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help you. I've read the first of all, you're one
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of the best columnists. I think one of the reasons
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people read the Boston Globe. I got to tell you you're
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really a great writer, and I just want to say
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thanks very much. I think this is the first time
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we've had you on, but you have written a very
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interesting piece which my wife often reminds me about why
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am I always interrupting people? And you have a five tips.
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I don't know how many of those we can get through,
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and I guess your sister is somewhat of an expert
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on this as well. As I read the article, i'll
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read it more closely. First of all, tell us about
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your sister. Does she teach at Harvard Business School?
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No? No, no, So my sister is a casting director
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and speaking coach, and she's always saying to me, why
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is everyone interrupting me? And she means me, I'm a
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big interrupter right as her sister. And this is why
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I'm laughing about losing my voice, because I am being
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punished for being an interrupter my voice. But I wondered
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why am I becoming someone who interrupts? And it was
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really fascinating to talk to Harvard Business School leaders, to
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psychologists because I think that in twenty twenty five, we
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are a culture of people who cut people off a lot,
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and so what what is that about.
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Yeah, that's the that's the question. We are fast paced,
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I mean everything. I don't know about you, but I
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don't know. Some people prefer to text, others prefer to email.
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Guys like me, I'd prefer to call you in the
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phone and kind of you know, talk to you for
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two or three minutes and move on with the rest
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of the day. You send someone a text and you're
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waiting for the text back. So I don't know, there's
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I think there's a whole bunch of factors at work.
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You're the expert. You wrote the piece, and you said
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that this may have kind of arrived with COVID.
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Yeah, absolutely, because first of all, we all got a
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little bit weird socially, right, But also when you're on
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a zoom call, no one knows who should be talking,
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and when someone is talking, people are also writing in
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a chat, so there's this constant simultaneous conversation. And that
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started to happen in real vocal conversations too, where my
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sister starts saying a sentence and I'll try to finish
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for a sentence. So it was you know, I think
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technology and zoom culture is a big part of it.
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I also laughed a lot because a lot of the
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people I interviewed said, well, not to offend you, but
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how old are you? And I told them I was
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forty seven, and they said, you are right around the
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time when you start losing your thoughts, like whether it's
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women going through menopause right aging in general, where if
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I don't say it right now, I'm going to forget it.
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So then I yell it. I just say it right.
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And so there's this rudeness that comes with a fear
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of losing your point, which now much more sensitive to.
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And and it also made me feel a little bit
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better right that it's not an intended rudeness, it's a
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need to say it before it goes away.
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Yeah. Well, as they say, my wife will say to me,
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you need to listen more. Maybe that maybe most wife
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say that to their husbands, but I don't know. And
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she also say say to me, when I'm talking to someone,
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you know, turn the conversation back to them. She's very
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good now what she listens to which I can't listen to.
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On a Sunday night, I'm going in to watch a
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baseball game or a football game, and she's watching like
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masterpiece theater, and you know, the piece of the dialogue
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and Masterpiece Theater goes something like this, Hello, darling, Yes,
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what would you like to have for dinner tonight? Claude,
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I don't know. Whatever you're preparing would be fine. And
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that's a fast paced masterpiece. Masterpiece the drives me nuts.
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It's fine.
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Yeah, And.
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You're a radio right, you know radio, and in radio
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especially people are moving quickly. You're going back and forth,
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so I'm sure Masterpiece theater feels incredibly slow. But I
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don't make the point for people listening that. When I
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wrote this story, I was frustrated with myself and other interrupters.
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But I think there are two big kinds of interrupting.
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One is a more selfish, maybe even malicious, cutting someone
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off and changing the subject and like as dismissing what
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you're trying to say and saying something else. But what
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I started to notice is a real well meaning interruption,
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which is I'm so invested I want to jump to
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the next thought. I'm so invested, I want to guess
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the end of your sentence. And that's what I see
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a spike in.
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Meredith. I think you have a book here.
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Maybe I mean I would I mean, I think we
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all need more practice with phone conversations and I think
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that would help and real life conversations. Too much is
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done online, and I also think we have to you know,
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the best tip of all the tips was the Harvard
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Business School expert told me that during my whole interview
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with her, she had a notebook under her desk and
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she was taking notes so that she didn't say things
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out loud while I was talking. I have, since that interview,
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started doing that myself so that way, if I feel
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like interrupting, I just write it down and I save it.
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Meredith, I have to tell you a quick, funny story
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that deals with Harvard Business School, and I think you'll
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appreciate this. My daughter went to Harvard Business School. She
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graduated there a few years ago, and as the parents,
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you were invited to audit emphasize audit one class. So
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I went there with my wife and my daughter's husband,
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and we were sitting up in the back row and
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the teacher, the professor, who was about I don't know,
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thirty five years old, maybe forty years old tops, he
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was talking about the Ronald Reagan economy from the nineteen eighties.
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That was his subject. Okay. I looked around the classroom
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and I realized that I was the only person in
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that classroom who had ever interviewed Ronald Reagan on radio,
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interviewed him on television, had conversations with him on the
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campaign trail, who actually kind of knew him as much
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as you can know someone. And I was sitting there saying,
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oh my god, why can't I say something. I was
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not allowed to interrupt at Harvard Business School on from
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your course. It would disown me.
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So yes, yes, you did that valuable information to yourself.
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I mean it is Listen, that's the place where I
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would be afraid to interrupt. And it is funny because
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I think it can be more appropriate depending on where
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you are. It's a globe. Everybody's just shouting at the
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same time, so interrupting isn't much of a thought. At
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the globe, We're all just interrupting. It's one big interrupting session.
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If you kind of interrupted the globe, you'll never get
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a chance to speak exactly exactly. Mary. If you sound great,
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your voice sounds like it's getting stronger than we started.
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I hope you're not going to come down with something.
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And I just want to say, thanks so much for
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being a trooper.
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No, I need my interrupting power. My voice has to
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come back.
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You bet you, you bet you well. I'll tell your
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writing skills are great. I read your stuff, big fan.
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Thank you so much for joining us tonight. And I'm
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telling you you got a book here. I'm telling you,
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I'll think when you're right it, you're going to come
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on the show.
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Thanks Mary, absolutely, thanks.
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I talk to you soon. All right, when we get back,
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we're going to talk about a Republican initiative today at
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the State House in which there is legislation being filed,
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reform legislation filed by the Republican party up there to
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reform the migrant crisis here in Massachusetts, and a lot
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of it to me, makes a lot of sense. We'll
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be back on night Side right after this. There goes
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my voice.
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Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,
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Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
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All right, joining us now is Republican state Representative Paul
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Frost here from Massachusetts. Representative Frost, you have been with
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us before. Welcome back.
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How are you excellent? Dan, and thank you for having
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me back.
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You're more than welcome. Well today you had a news
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conference up on Bacon Hill, and right now the migrant
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shelter system in Massachusetts is just broken. It's it's a
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disaster in this state, and someone has to move forward.
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And today Republicans in the House and Senate, I guess,
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have indicated they intend to to what hold some hearings,
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file some legislation. What's the game plan?
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Sure, So today the House Republicans and the Senate Republicans
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on Beacon Hill gathered to announce a big initiative that
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we're supporting an omnibus bill lot of issues regarding the
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shelter crisis and as well as some other immigration issues
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that affect Massachusetts. And we're calling for transparency, accountability, public safety,
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and fiscal responsibility UH in the program. The emergency shelter program,
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which he was already said, is a mess, and it
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is and it doesn't like it's more than.
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It's a it's a disaster for the taxpayers, it's a
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disaster for the authorities, and it's disaster for the migrants
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who have to live there with people who are who
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are dealing sentinel or or have have AK for AK fifty,
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AK forty sevens AR fifteen's I mean this is nuts.
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No, it absolutely is. And it doesn't seem like the
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right hand knows what the left hand is doing or
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vice versa.
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Uh, you know a.
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Governor's claims that well, you know last spring, which which
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by the way, a year ago. Last fall, we were
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told that background checks were being deducted. But apparently that
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spring she said, you know, she made it at all.
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You know that background checks are supposed to be happening
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in this and then recently just announce the other day
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that that they haven't been not happening. And you know,
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acing according.
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To what the governor said, I think representative not to
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interrupt you, but according to what the governor said, was
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she ordered them. She was never told by her staff
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that they weren't being conducted. Who's in charge?
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But exactly? And that is one of the big answers
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that we asked today. Who's in charge? You know house
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More ear leader Brad Jones earlier in the week, you know,
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was calling for someone's head, said look, he need a roll.
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You know, someone dropped the ball and we want to
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know why and how and who's responsible, and you know
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they should be fired.
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But today find someone being hired. It said, they're an
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endangered species on Beacon Hill. So let's get into some
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of the specifics. You guys want to limit the shelter
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stays to six months, but more important you you want
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to make sure that people who are availing themselves of
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shelters are people who have lived here for aboudy at
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least the year.
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Yeah, we feel that exactly that there should be a
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residency requirement on eligibility, and that you've been a Massachusetts
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resident for at least a year and not just been
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here a day, not just get off a plane or
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a boss or what have you, and all of a
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sudden eligible for all these benefits and programs. We can't
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afford it. It's bankrupting us, it's hurting the program, and
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it's putting other Massachusetts residents who have been here, maybe
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their entire lives, who do need these services from getting
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these services or be competing for these services in a
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wait list against people who've only been here a day.
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And so yes, we're trying to put the year a
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year eligibility of residency in there. We want to limit
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it to six months. We want to prevent violent actors
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from entering as well as re entering the shelter system,
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and we want to authorize law enforcement and the courts
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to honor ice detainers for violent offenders, which is something
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that it should be a no brainer. You want to
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require competitive bidding on on all elements of the migrant
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crisis response and create an Office of Inspector General to
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unit to provide oversight of the micro over the micro crisis.
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The other thing we also called for today and is
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we asked the state auditor to audit the program, the
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emergency shelter program, and she responded right away as yes,
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she will.
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job in my opinion as state auditor. So one of
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the programs that I think you should look at. Have
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you heard about the no bid taxicab contract? And I
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think it's on well, I know it's on the Cape.
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I think it's in the town at Truro for six
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point one million dollars. Do you know how tlexicab rides
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you can get for six point one million dollars? It's
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a noble I would imagine a lot.
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Yes, I will, I will.
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I mean that's just the other thing is that the
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governor was quoted I think in the Globe and the
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Herald last week is saying that she wanted to take
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a second look at the legislative history of the nineteen
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eighty three statute that Governor d Kakassian, which established the
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shelter law in Massachusetts, and it's seem to me like
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maybe she feels consistent with what you folks said today
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that this is being made available to people for whom
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the law never anticipated, never anticipated this influx of people
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from around the world.
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Absolutely, and this is something that we've been saying for
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well over a year now, and that that this this
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wasn't the intent of the program. It was here. It
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was meant here for legal Massachusetts residents who are you know,
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who need this assistance, who need these programs, And it
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wasn't meant for people who just show up one day
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at our at our doorstep and say, okay, we want
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we want access to all these programs. So so no,
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and it's about time I wish he listened to us
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well over a year ago. But nevertheless, you know, we're
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going to push it again we enter our new legislative session,
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and we welcome any you know, movement in that direction
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by the governor or the Democrats and the legislature to
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finally do something to fix this program and to make
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sure that it remains intact for Massachusetts residents as it
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was meant to since the nineteen eighties.
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Well represented, Paul Frost, do you represent four towns if
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I'm not mistaken, in central Massachusetts, just south of Worcester,
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And you are obviously working on behalf of your constituents
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and on behalf of everyone here in the cornwalth of Massachusetts.
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And I say keep at it any night that you
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need some publicity on this. We got to keep that.
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We have to keep the pressure on because this is
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a disaster. Massachusetts is once again the laughing stock of
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the nation, and we just you know, we've got to
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become a two party state. That's the problem we have
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right now. And I continue to believe that that they
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are just the Democrats do whatever they want up on
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Beacon Hill. They have a you know, old school leadership,
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and they have a young progressives in the membership, and
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the residents of Massachusetts are leaving. We talked last night
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about the out migration problem, so there's a lot to
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work on up there. I hope you folks stay on
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top of it. Thanks very much for joining us tonight.
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Representative Paul Frost of Central Massachusetts.
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Thank you very much.
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You're very welcome. When we get back, we're going to
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talk about January. It is the biggest month, the busiest
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month of the year for divorces. We're going to talk
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with the divorce attorney and she's going to explain to us.
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I guess a couple of theories as to why. Back
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on Nightside right after the news break at the bottom
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of the hour. My name is Dan Ray. This is
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Boston's news Radio WBZ ten thirty on your AM dial.
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You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
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News Radio.
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All right, we have turned the corner into a new year,
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because January first comes around once a year and it
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always starts the month of January, which turns out to
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be a very busy month for divorce lawyers. With us
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is divorce attorney Attorney Sharon Rimmage, Attorney. I guess we
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can speculate as to why divorces is the busiest month
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for divorce attorneys, but you must know the real reason.
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Tell us what's going on. How are you tonight?
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Thank you for having me. Well, I've done this work
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a long time, and January is always very busy month,
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and the average person before they actually go to a
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divorce attorney probably spends a good twelve to eighteen months
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thinking about it, and so they get through a variety
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of reasons. They may put it off. They want to
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get maybe some of their financials in order, maybe they're fine,
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AELs are way out of order after the Christmas credit
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card bills come in. But also they want to wait
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and just get through the holidays, and they make a resolve.
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You know, most people make resolutions to do something different
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after the first of the year, and I don't want
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to say that divorce is a new Year's resolution, but
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turning a new leaf on life, going into a new
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chapter and starting fresh and starting it kind of having
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a fresh start, starting over. That's a common theme that
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we see with clients, and they're finally ready to go
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come January. And January sixth this year was, of course
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divorce Day. It was the first Monday of the month.
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But we've been very busy and there's been really no letup,
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and so this January of twenty twenty five has really
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proven to be just as much of a divorce January
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as any other year.
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In your practice, who's initiating divorces? How much? What percentage
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of them? Are sort of like mutual agreements where both
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parties come to you and say, hey, we'd like to
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save a little bit in our legal fees and we
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want to split things up evenly, and which gender is
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initiating more of the divorces? Men or women?
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I think historically, just across the board, women tend to
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be the ones that file more frequently. But in our
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practice we're pretty much we're pretty even represented by men
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and women. I think men tend to stay in and
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tolerate some things or ignore some things. Maybe they're just
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cluarless about some things longer than some women. And it
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just depends on a lot of different things, but we
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don't really see that it's more frequently in January it's
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women versus men. It's pretty much across the board. And
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and sometimes they've agreed that most states and know in
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our state, one attorney cannot represent both people because they're
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really is a lawsuit. They're adverse parties, so we don't
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meet with both parties. So frequently one party will go
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to the lawyer and they will initiate the process and
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maybe it does end up getting handled amicably, but more
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often than not, both sides are getting representation if someone
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has a lawyer. Unfortunately, a lot of people flood the
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courthouse with the courthouse forms that are available or legal zoom,
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and a lot of people make a lot of mistakes
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in their haste to begin anew there's an art to
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what needs to go into a divorce order, and they
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don't necessarily know ramifications, and so come about a year
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from when they go down this path, there may be
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things that just can't be undone. And so it's not
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just going to lawyers, it's just across the board going
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through the process.
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Yeah, but I first past the bar the last century.
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I actually knew some lawyers who would not, out of principle,
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handle divorce cases. And it might they might have been
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religiously based, but there has to be sort of a
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ying and yang. I never handled divorce cases just because
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it wasn't an area that I was particularly interested in
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getting involved in. So I'm interested from your perspective, there
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must be some cases that come to you that are
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pretty depressing, and there must be some cases that come
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to you, I assume in which you say, gee, this
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is really best for both parties. Do you how do
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you keep your own human emotions as a divorce lawyer
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out of it.
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Well, my goal is to well represent my client and
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be an objective voice, and so if I get too
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emotionally involved, it's kind of hard to do that, and
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so I strive to do that. In all the larriors
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in my office strive to do that to remove ourselves
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because we are to be their counselors and their attorneys,
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not therapist counselor, but we're to counsel them on the
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legal ramifications of the decisions that they're making, and it's
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hard to do that if you're all wrapped up in it.
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I will tell you I've had couples come in to
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see me and I've ended up referring them to a
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marriage therapist. I've had people come in, they try marriage
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therapy and then they come back and they go forward.
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We have people handle their divorce a lot of different ways,
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but at the end of the day, I tell all
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of our divorce clients, you are not ending your family
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when you get a divorce. You're just changing the way
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it looks, especially if you have kids. And so because
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if you have kids, you're going to have school events together,
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graduations together, first days of college, grandchildren, and so you've
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got to think in those terms of the actions that
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you're taking and how am I best preserving a relationship
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even though it's not a marriage relationship that's something that
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is workable in the future for everyone that's touched by
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the divorce, because it's not just about the two people.
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Yeah, and I have to assume that it is. It's
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a tough practice of law. I know that you keep
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your emotions out of it, but as each case comes
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in the door, you know, and obviously you're there representing
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the best interestship of your client, but you realize that
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this sometimes is an absolutely necessary your separation, departure, divorce,
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whatever you want to call it. And sometimes I'm sure
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you look at it and say, gee, it's too bad.
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You know, depending upon the circumstances, that it couldn't work out,
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although obviously you are going to do the best you
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can for your particular client and that has to be
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a balance that you have to strike as an attorney.
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It is and you know, divorce representation, especially the really
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high conflict cases, can become very dreaming, draining because there's
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a lot of drama, and the key to having any
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longevity in this business is to not allow yourself being
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to be brought into that drama and to keep your
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wits about you, because if you allow yourself to get
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it drawn into it, you just don't last. And I
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do think I'm you know, I'm catholic. I am a
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long time here. I've been married twenty five almost twenty
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six years, and I although I would not see myself divorcing,
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and that's not been a part of what's gone on
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with me. I respect what people are going through, and
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I realize they're in pain and they're at their worst.
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But I've had too many people come back to me
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a year later, two years later and thank me because
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they said I was not at my work.
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I was not at my.
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Best at that time. Thank you for seeing me through.
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I know you gave me good advice. And you can
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see how you help them transform, whether it's heavy litigation
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or a more amicable approach to divorce, because most cases
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aren't litigated. They're resolved in mediation or informal settlement, and
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the goal is to keep people in a place where
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it does not completely consume them and they can move
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on and thrive after divorce, not just survive.
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Absolutely, well, it comes awfully nice to talk with you.
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What states do you are you are you practicing?
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If I could ask practice in Texas and the good
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all stay to Texas and then we have plenty of
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divorce in Texas. We have plenty to keep us busy.
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Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure. So I'm sure that again,
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what do they say. I think it's some one out
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of two marriages end up on these days in divorce.
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So it's correct.
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It's fifty to fifty. It's sad to watch any marriage dissolve.
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It is, it is.
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It's a loss.
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Yeah, but the service that you're providing is necessary at
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a time when people are really quite emotional. And thank
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you for taking your time, taking the time to talk
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with us tonight. It was very interesting. I did not
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realize that January was the the busy month that it is,
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but makes a lot of sense when you look at it,
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when you when you look at the calendar, that's for sure.
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Appreciate the conversation. Thanks very much, Attorney Rammage.
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Right, thank you very well.
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We get back. We're going to talk about surprising sources
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of hidden MSG in everyday foods. I think all of
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you know that I'm very much involved with the weight
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loss program Awaken one eighty and I really believe in it.
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And one of the things that Awakened one Adie did
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for me was to think more about the food that
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I was eating and what impact it had on me,
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and that was really helpful. We're going to talk with
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doctor Catherine Reid. She's the founder of a group called
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Unblind My Mind, a nonprofit dedicated to improving health through
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informed food choices. We'll talk with doctor Reed right after
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this quick break on Nightside.
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Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
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Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
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Well, all of us now in January have gotten through
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the holiday season when all of us were eating anything
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that was put in front of us, and all of
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us now are trying to pull ourselves back into a
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better role of caloric intake. Joining us now is doctor
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Catherine Reid. She is the co author with doctor Barbara Price,
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of a book called Fat, Stressed and Sick msg Processed
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Food in America's Health Crisis. Welcome doctor Reid to Nightside.
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How are you?
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Oh good?
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Thank you for having me, Dan, You.
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More than welcome when did the book come out? How
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recent is the book out?
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September of twenty three.
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Okay, so it's been around for a while, which is good,
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and I hope it's been successful, and clearly a lot
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of us now follow our diets a lot more closely.
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I'm involved with a program up here for ten years
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called Awaken one eighty in which I was able to
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shed thirty five pounds and have kept it off to
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this day. And a lot of that had to do
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with just remembering a lit little bit about what you're
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ingesting and what time of day you're ingesting it. So,
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I mean, there is sort of a science to this,
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and it sounds to me like that's exactly where this
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book is. I'm going to try to pick it up
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because I suspect that it will help me. Tell us
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MSG is in the title fat, Stressed and Sick MSG,
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processed food in America's Health crisis. Tell us what folks
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will learn in the book.
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Yeah, So it definitely does a deep dive on the
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glutamate industry and it's hidden forces in the food supply.
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Glue tomate is another name for monosodium glutamate or MSG,
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and you know it's not labeled on our food packages.
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And so the book is really kind of helping people
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empower themselves making healthier food choices and understanding how the
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processing of these foods is generating and riching and fortifying
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MSG in the foods and why would they do it
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because MSG is re addicting.
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Now I've always associated and probably I'm kind of a
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dummy in this regard MSG with Chinese food. Is is
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it in all? Is it highly concentrated in Chinese food?
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Or is it in every type of food we ingest.
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You know, your beliefs are very common that you know,
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most people will say I don't consume MSG because they
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think that it's mostly in Chinese food. The standard American diet,
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which I call SAD, has more MSG in its you know,
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consumption than the Chinese because of how much processing is
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going on, particularly processed proteins. When you process the proteins,
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meaning you're degrading them, you're you know, through fat hydrolysis
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processes or extreme heat or fermentation. You degrade the protein,
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breaking it up in its subunits of amino acids, and
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glutamate is an amino assis did so just the fermentation
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of wheat containing the gluten protein will create glutamate in
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the fermentation of the wheat and the gluten proteins. So
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most Americans and most people don't understand how much msry
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they're consuming, and it's because of the processing.
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So what types of food get processed? Is it? Is
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it cookies and snacks? Is it? Is it the chips
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that that people eat, taco chips, potato chips, et cetera.
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What you know? Without giving away everything in the book here,
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and I believe, I believe that you're a biochemist, so
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you very much understand the science behind this. I had
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always thought MSG was in Chinese food, and I've never
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been a big fan of Chinese food, but I always
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used to get a headache from Chinese food, so I
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could go years without eating Chinese food. Now friends of
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mine just love it and they'll eat it every you know,
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every opportunity they have. But I will buy, you know,
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one of the things, because I do a talk show,
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I'm always I'm always trying to improve my my standard
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of food intake. I'll go to the store and I
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love Boy's Head turkey, which I think is a good
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quality turkey, but I know that's a processed food. Is
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it not?
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And did you say bullyon turkey?
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No, forehead, forehead is a brand.
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Forehead, Oh forehead turkey, And now it's you know, somehow cured.
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You know, then you're getting into the processing of that meat,
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which will then create more MSG. So you asked about
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some common foods, and certainly the more ultra processed foods,
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which is a category you know, like your chips and
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snacks and cookies and beef turkey, will have more MSG
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and something that's you know, slightly less processed. But I
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think you know, like the standard American diet, you know, cheese,
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the way they ferment the caseine protein and they're adding
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enzymes will create MSG because it's degrading, breaking apart that
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caseine protein. So the more age the cheese, the more
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MSG created. And so that's just a you know, an
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eye opener for many people. The same thing I said
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with the bread, you know, sour dough bread.
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Everybody's like, oh, sour dough, you know, wonderful.
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Well, sour dough cultures ferment wheat or the gluten protein,
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and the more fermented, the more that it's degrading that
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gluten protein, creating MSG. And so we.
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Should all be biochemist here because obviously you understand. Look,
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let me let me talk about some safe foods. I'm
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assuming raw fruit, raw vegetables are probably the best and
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safest things that we could eat during during the day.
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Correct, Yeah, So fruits, vegetables, organic nuts, and seeds. Uh.
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You know, meats that are coming from animals that are happy,
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that aren't like secured and put into like deli meat,
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so like you know, wild caught haemon or pastur raised
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chickens that are you know, nice and happy and eating club.
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So the happy happy before they died obviously.
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Well happy animals before they reached the plate.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah.
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So so a lot of free range is you'll see
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free range stuff. Now, a lot of this stuff I
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know is marketing, but I'm I'm trying to figure it
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out here. If you see something that says free range eggs,
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are those better for you than then the ones that
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aren't marked free range?
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And that's a good question, and that's where you know,
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you start to really know where your food comes from.
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So I'm lucky I'm in the state of California. I mean,
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I'm luckily not being impacted by the fires, but I
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know where my eggs come from, you know, so I
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know that where the chickens are and how they are
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being treated, and they're not near a urban territory and such,
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and so you know, it's nice to know where your
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food comes from.
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Okay, fair enough, let me ask you this. And this
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may be somewhat of a political question. I don't want
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to put you into the political With Robert F. Kennedy Junior.
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I know that he has a lot of theories. I
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don't really have a firm opinion as to what sort
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of Health and Human Services secretary he would be. But
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some of his ideas seem a little out there, and
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then there's some of them that seem very kind of interesting,
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kind of a mixed bag. Is that your reading of
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him generally or no.
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It is, you know, because you know, I've heard about
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him years ago because he was saying big food, big pharma,
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and it's making us more ill because our policies are
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being driven by corporation, you know, pocketbooks and such. And
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I was in biotechnology for twenty here, so you know,
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I know I'm in that. I was in that industry,
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and so you know big food. You know, there is
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an international technical glue tomate Committee. Now, figure that one
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out as a head scratcher. Why would we need an
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international committee, you know, with protecting the interest of glue
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tomate in the food supply worldwide.
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Yeah, one word comes to my mind, and that's lobbying exactly.
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And so they lobby with World Health Organization to keep
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glue tomate hidden from consumers. It's not labeled, it's not
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put on like how much there is in these foods
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because it's considered natural because it is in some natural foods.
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But what's not natural is how much we're consuming in
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the processing of the foods, and that's making people sick.
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Well, I will tell you that as I as I
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look at Amazon, your book is highly rated, you have
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five stars. Well, I'm sure you're familiar with that, and
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you get it from Amazon and elsewhere, I believe, and
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it's available on Kindle. Also there's an audio version. A
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lot of my listeners are non cited or blind, and
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they're all we're always looking to talk about books that
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are available on cassette or an audio CD version. So
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the best way for people to do is I'm assuming Amazon,
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and do you want to send you to a different website?
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Yeah, and so Amazon does have it. I do encourage
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people to buy the hard copy if that they are able,
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because it does have an appendix with recipes and wait
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like a weekly plans and such, which the appendix material
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is not something that people are getting through these audiobooks,
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and that's a publisher deal, not something that I desired.
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So you know, if you do want the recipes and
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the meal plants and such, you know, the hard copy
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is available on Amazon. Fact Stressed and Sick MSG Process
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Foods and the Methods Health Crisis. And then I do
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have a nonprofit, unblindmymind dot org where I work with
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families individually or groups, you know, like you said you
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have a weight you know, lost group. I work with
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autism groups, you know, so because that's how I started
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my journey with my daughter being diagnosed with autism.
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Other what and you what is what is that website
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you're you gave the Amazon dot com. We said, what
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is your website?
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Unblindmmind dot org.
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Unblindmmind dot org. Well, thank you very much, doctorI there
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was pleasure to talk about to you and I really
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enjoyed the conversation. We'll talk again, I hope. Thank you.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Happy new year, same to you. We can still say,
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because we're still in January, thank you very much. What
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do we get? Okay, we get back after the nine
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o'clock news. I want to open up a conversation that
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we haven't talked about before here in night Side. And
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it's one you go to a pharmacy and you want
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to buy a tube of toothpaste, you want to buy
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a deoderan spray or something like that, and it's locked up.
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What the heck is going on in our world? I
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was recently in a store which I'll tell you about,
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where they had men's socks locked up. You couldn't just
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pick them off the shelf and go buy them. We'll
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get to all of that, I promised, right after the
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nine o'clock news here on night Side