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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's being your Man, NAMG Marcus Grant and I'm fully vaccinated. I got my second shot on Monday, So one step closer to normal things. Anyway, Big show, as we always do, we have obviously gone through the NFL Draft last week. We had a mock draft to kind of see where some guys are slotting and how guys are sort of shaking out now that they have homes. But we know that there are a lot of you guys out there who are playing dynasty leagues, who are playing debbie leagues, and who really want to go a little bit deeper beyond just you know, the guys that we saw in the first couple of rounds come off the NFL draft boards. So to do that, I got a guy who is on top of it, who is one of the smartest guys when it comes to this, who puts in the work, who look his nickname is the c are of the playbook that tells you everything you need to know. Uh. It is from Football Game Plan, Emory Hunt. And it's been a couple of years since I've had you on. It is way too long I appreciate you taking some time. How you doing, man, I'm doing fine. Man, I appreciate you. Man. It doesn't feel like years. It feel like we talk every every year, every summer. It's just as I'm stackin. You said that, I know, No, it really not. I mean, I know you know obviously we we chat via social media and Twitter and what have you, and I'm always kind of keeping up with what you're doing and everything. But yeah, I think it has been a couple of years that you've actually been here, and uh, we should. We should make the gap shorter if we can in the future. But um, I wanted to just start kind of by by talking to you because I know what you do and I follow a lot of what you do. Um, but for folks who don't know, explain a little bit about football game plan and how it came to be. You know, it's the one stop shop for the football fan. We cover everything. If it involves a pig scam, we got to cover from NFL college football, all levels of college fook, all Canadian football overseas, that that played American football, women's tackle football, high school, so it doesn't matter, we cover it. And you know how we got started. It was during the Vince Young draft how everything kind of got rolling. Uh Me and a couple of friends of mine. We're just upset at the commentary surrounding Vince shung as if he couldn't play, as if we just didn't come off watching the greatest game ever played, right, U huh. And so instead of us sitting on the phone five way arguing about what people are saying on TV, so like, let's start a website. And so it took us a full year. So in two thousand seven we started football game playing and it was very popular off the bat because we released the article. We had different sections star website, and one was a comedic uh side of it, and you know, at the time that was a whole Michael Vick dog fighting thing. And so our first article off the site was, well, since QB seven wants to fight dogs, here's some dog fights we want to see, you know, Clifford versus you know, uh Scooby, And so we started breaking down the matchups and so they kind of got people to the site and then they saw the football analysis. So that's how we got started. And then at O nine, uh me realizing that you know, people didn't like to read anymore and having a having a broadcast background. I went to Scool for broadcasting with a minor in theater. It's like, you know, I can get camera equipment and I can say things faster than I can write these articles and crop out pictures. And YouTube had just started. Um, so we started doing We transitioned to video are we quote unquote pivoted to video pretty quickly in oh nine and that kind of got us out there even faster because nobody was doing video. And that's how our YouTube channel kind of grew in blue um saying with in two thousands. Ever with podcasting, you know, we started it was a blog talk radio show. It was a live show every Saturday. We was taking callers and we were so fun and having fun with it and so proud of what we were doing. But it was funny because people used to say. I used to tell people we had a TV show and uh, and people are like, oh, working with stations like oh, it's a YouTube channel, Oh it's on YouTube, And tell people at a radio show, oh what station it was always on? You know, it's on Blottock. Oh it's Internet. But fast forward now everything is podcasting and so it was kind of got out in front and that kind of helped Springboarder because it was like the first into space and it just kind of grew our name, grew our brand, and it kind of helped grow me professionally to where now I'm doing college football games, broadcasting and all kinds of other things, doing more TV as well, and all started from you know, you know, I thought started from YouTube and and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool to see, which has been amazing. It's been great to watch. And also look for everybody out there who's trying to get in. And I'm sure you get questions. I get questions. I mean, this is sort of how you do it. You just you just start with something you love, you put the work in and eventually over time and hopefully grows. And by the way, you talk about that Vince Young game, I was. I was in Pasadene, I was at the Rose Bowl. Um. I was on the other side of it, So my feelings were a little bit more hurt when I walked out of the stadium. UM. But yeah, I was very aware that Vince Young could play for I had no I had no doubts about it. Um. You obviously you do a lot of scouting. I mean you you are everywhere. Just people who follow your tweets alone know that you are everywhere scouting where, the Senior Bowl, combine, what have you. Obviously, this year was a different year with the pandemic. How much did that change what you do and how difficult was it this past year? It was a unique experience because, like you said, I'm always on the go, so being forced to sit down somewhere you know and does not do anything was kind of unique in its sense. But as with anything in football, they called it sudden change. So as with anything, you just got to figure out how to do things. But it helped me just get more involved in film, get more involved in my creative process of what I wanted to do moving forward, not just this season, but you know, three or four or five years down the line with football game plan. So it kind of just, you know, forced you to hit reset. But as far as a scouting part, I wasn't on campus like I was usually I'm on campus three times a week a Thursday, Friday is Saturday. I'm on the college campus doing something, whether it's talking to coach, broadcasting game or out of practice or two scouting talent um to get ahead of the draft. So without that being the case, it's just it was just a lot of you know, prep work, and fortunately for me, it was an opportunity to do more studio stuff. I was you know, I'm with CBS Sports HQ, so I'm doing stuff there and you know, I'm watching these games as opposed to being there, and it was kind of shocking, Like, man, I missed being out, you know, smelling the grass, you know, grading press box food. You know, I love to eat in some of these places. You miss But it kind of forced me to take a step back and look at the game from a different perspective and just work on myself. But because the film is the film, Um, there's a lot of the answer everything that you missed about going to live games. But the film is a film, so I didn't lose any part of that aspect of it. But I just missed being around people and being around an atmosphere. Yeah. I think I think we all kind of feel that way, and you know, I think we're all hoping and looking forward to getting back to something normal again. Um. You know, I just look, I was watching a baseball game over the weekend and just wanting to talk to myself, like it would be nice to be sitting outside, you know, having a hot dog and a beer or something like that. So hopefully we're getting closer to that um with the guys that you talk about. The film is the film, and there was still filmed to watch. There were games that were played, even if the schedule uh maybe started later in some places, was shortened in other places. Do you feel like that's going to have an impact on guys getting ready for this season just knowing that that, you know, last year was weird for everybody, you know, I think it's gonna be unique for a lot of people teams involved. If you go back to when everything first hit the ground as far as COVID is concerned, and then you look at this past season. If we're keeping in the buck, I think that all teams did a great job in the draft, and I truly believe that less is more. You know, back when we let's say two thousand nineteen, when we were able to do everything, you know, you still you had some head scratches in the draft, like, man, how could this guy drop or why would this guy go ahead of this guy? And that just doesn't seem like a good fit for the player aid to player B. But the last two drafts because of COVID, I feel like everybody just kinda stayed true to what the take told them and made selections based off that. So I think you're gonna see I think they kind of gave players at the collegiate level a little bit more of a side relief, Like, all right, cool, if I just bawl out on film, I'm just gonna be good on film because we know a lot of guys to get out there, uh and they'll drop weight, they're running fast, forty jump high, and they'll go higher when their tape is non existent. And so if people just keep it true to the tape, a lot of these guys that are going to be paid to play the game of football are gonna find themselves getting drafted. I think that's something that both sides could take advantage of. The teams which I think have done well, and the player is to put more focus on getting better on the field as opposed to Okay, if I just if I'm an average on the field, I know I could just kill my pro didn't get drafted. It's not gonna work like that. I don't think in the future. Yeah. I mean you always heard those stories about those guys who pretty much trained for the combine, right, who worry about their forty times and their agility drills and what have you, and they have that great they have a great day in Indianapolis, uh, and never quite live up to it. I mean, having said that, do you feel like this is going to change the scouting process. Are we going to have uh, you know, less of the rigamar role like we used to or is it is it just gonna go back to normal once we sort of open up. Yeah, that's a great question, because I feel like you like to think that teams are creatures of habit and and you know, so far the habit has been indeed Pro Days draft, but now the habit has become film virtual Pro Day's workouts and draft and I think, you know, we're going to see a change to the process. We're gonna see more teams, um get back to more of film watching and trusting that as opposed to these workouts. I think we've gotten a little bit too enamored with the workouts and it kind of strayed away from the actual game of football and people thinking that you can just create football players. Um. And that's not the case because if you go back, let's look at last season. How competitive last season was. There were truly no terrible teams outside even Jacksonville. They I know they finished one in fifteen, but they were competitive in all those games. Um. And the record may not have indicated, but I don't recall last year being like, oh my god, this team. I can't even watch this team play until terrible. Right. You know he didn't say that about anybody. So I think that teams, because of the talent they were able to infuse them to their rosters or to their organizations, got better. And I think we'll see a fundamental change. I say that now, but watch next year when everything opens back up. It's gonna be back to the Corby, back to the pro days, and we're gonna be back on track for chaos. I mean, look, I would love to see this theme change. I feel like the draft process and draft season just gets we get to the silly season at some point. Right when you get you know, you get anonymous scouts making hot takes on guys. It just don't seem to make sense. Um. So I would hope that maybe there's going to be a change and maybe we see things uh done differently. But at the same time, you know, folks just want you know, they want that shrimp cocktail and Saint Elmo's exactly when they gotta they gotta hang with me, man, I'll show you some better food spots. Like I'm all over, I'm all on the restaurant train. Yeah, well next time I get there, if I'm at the combine again, I'm I'm gonna look you up and we can we can figure out somewhere to eat. One thing that surprised me, and you know, not that this has anything to do with fantasy specifically, but we didn't see any players drafted from HBCUs this year. And I know it was a thing that that Dion Sanders spoke about on Twitter not long after the draft. Now that he's coaching in an HBCU. Did that surprise you at all? It's not really. Uh, it's sort of surprised me because I thought the trend from the draft perspective, what's that, Man, if you participate in the Senior Bowl, you're getting drafted. And so there were a couple of guys that were HBCU players that were in the Senior Bowl um, David Moore from Grambling, They and Brian Mills from North Carolina Central. I was like, all right, they'll get drafted. They played in the Senior Bowl. Seems like that has That was the trend of the draft from these scouts. They got a chance to see these guys alive, and that's worth more than you know, the tape right now in some cases. But I was shocked to see those guys not go. I was even shocked to see mac McCain not get drafted because the last time we saw him was in the Celebration Bowl. He had a field day, making plays on the ball, turn the ball over, and he matches up athletically. But I can understand why they didn't get drafted. You probably had any jury concerns about mc McCain, who spent some time getting injured, so they probably want to clean bill of health because it's a lot of unknown. David Moore, he showed up the UH Senior Bowl at three fifty. Then at his pro day I think he was like three thirty. So it's like, okay, so what's his true way? You know, like if you are you three fifty or you three thirty, and if that's gonna be a problem. So that kind of crossed him off. And Mills ran a four or six even though you watched him match up and play the ball in coverage. Okay, if he runs the four six, it's a way for us to you know, not draft him. But quickly after the draft all three got signed, so they knew there were good players. I just think that this was such a unique year. In the last two years we saw this team just went with known commodities. You know, guys, they've seen a lot of guys that had very minimal red flags or red marks on their profile and they just drafted those guys. So I don't think it's anything uh sliding HBCUs. I just think it's uh, you know, this particular draft in last year was basically what are the known options? I mean we were what two years removed from an HBC player going in the first round and tightest Howard. So it's you know, so I think if guys, if the last year was normal, we would have seen, you know, a couple of HBC players get drafted. I think in three we'll see a bunch more because I also believe next year, because there's so many players that are going to be in the draft. Uh pot, some guys will get pushed down. And that's not just HBCU. That's gonna be a lot of small kind of guys too, because of the pool from h FBS is gonna be bigger, and by nature, you know, they're gonna try to skim off the top first. Unless you have just such a standout player. You're gonna have a standout player to get drafted. But I think because of what I've seen coming down the pipeline at the HBC level, from the high school level, they got some legit dudes. That's gonna be uh studs coming up from the HP suit race, we'll probably see a record number get drafted in Wow. All right, that's something to look forward to. Then then, uh, you know what I said, I know Deon Beyon made a big point and they played. They played in the spring. Of course, nobody was gonna get drafted. That's the other part of it, you know. I guess I didn't think about that too, right, because we had seasons actually shifted. So uh yeah, I'm sure that that probably did did play into it a little bit. I didn't even take that into account. That's a good point, um, all Right, So I want to get to to you about some players that were drafted second third day that I know at least across the process you kind of you like to release you pointed out and talked about a little bit. The first one Romandre Stevenson, who ends up going to the Patriots. Everything I've read about him since he got drafted keeps the name La Garrett Blunt keeps keeps showing up there. I even saw somebody that that did some clips side by side of of Stevenson runs that looked like Blunt runs when he was with the Patriots. Is that is that a bridge too far? Or is there some truth to that that comparison? As with anything, the truth lies somewhere in between. Right. Uh, he's a little bit La Garrett Blunt, and he's also a little bit of Deonta Foreman. Uh. People forget how fast Blunt was coming out of Oregon. Blunt rank kicks back you know, you don't, you're not gonna see or Madre Stevenson return kicks. Um. So Blunt had legit sprinter speed. But both for these big bruising backs with quick feet, and uh for Foreman. Foreman had like straight line speed. You know where he could burst through the line and and pick up yards and chunks coming out of Texas. But I think both. I think the footwork side, he's lagart bunt blunt speed side is probably more Deonta Foreman. So I think you combine the two you get with Madre Stevenson. I do think he's they envisioned him being there for minute offense guy, their short yardiest goal line guys, so they're looking for him to close out games and score touchdowns. So I think that's going to be his role with New England. As to saying, I mean, I feel like there's there is definitely a role for him then, right because you know Sony Michelle has you know, the I don't know if it's the injury that just kind of sapped him of everything. He's not the same guy that he was coming out of college. They mean Harris. I think it is a nice player, but I feel like neither of those guys has really put a lock on that job, and I do feel like Stevenson, uh could kind of fight his way in there, especially you know there's no Rex Birkhead. I think there's there's an opportunity for Stevenson to to kind of be a playmaker there. Um in Cincinnati. We know Joe Mixon is gonna be that guy, but Geo Bernard's not there anymore. They went out, they got Chris Evans, they got Puca Williams. Why, I know you you really liked, especially at the start of the process. You like Puca Williams. I know he had, you know, some arrest issues that that might have worked against him in the draft. But when you look at Evans and Williams, either of those guys are they poised to maybe make an impact in Cincinnati in the near future. I think Puca Williams by sheer explosiveness, you know. Uh. And one thing I love about his game is that he's so elusive, so he's making you miss. He knows how to run behind his pet so you're not gonna get a clean shot on him. So those that maybe worried about his weight don't worry about that because it doesn't matter. You can't hit what you can't catch, you can't hurt what you can't touch. Good luck with that with Puca Williams. Right, and um, the fact that he can help you in the multitud of ways. He doesn't need volume. He can return kicks, he can return punts. He can catch the ball out of the backfield, and not just your standard swing screens, flares and flats type back. I'm talking about downfield threat in the passing game. So it sounds like a lot like Jeo Bernard, doesn't it. I think that's him. Chris evans I like Chris Evans um for a nostalgic reason. For me, he's like amp Lee. You know, he's a He has no speed, but it's super elusive. It doesn't make sense, like he could make you miss, and you're like, man, this dude doesn't. He's not fast, but he's constantly making yards and doing and doing good things with his footwork. So I think he's probably more alone a lits as someone that can. Uh. You know, he could make a team, But if you're talking about a one to one with Jio, Bernard is probably Puca Williams. And when you watch Pluka Williams play and watch him do amazing things, and I say this all the time, what makes him even more special is that when you watch him do all those things and realize he doesn't have toes on one foot, it just makes everything he does ridiculous. Um, because of a childhood accident I think longmore cut off like the five toes on one foot, and the coach saw him stuff in socks into one of his cleats and acts on what was going on, and that's how you found out. But when you watch all so now take that information and go watch Pooka Williams highlights again and watch this tape again. It's like, man, how do this dude is doing this? It's ridiculous. Wow, that's that's incredible. Yeah, I didn't know that part of the story. That's amazing. I am gonna watch it again. It kind of a different mindset. Which also, by the way, I hadn't heard the name Ample and at least ten years. So thank you for that one. I appreciate that. Here for yeah, I appreciate it. So I here I am. I'm talking to one of the findest raging Cajuns uh that there is out there. But I want to ask you about another one, Eli Mitchell, who went to the forty niners. Um, what should we know about about you? Like Mitchell, He's explosive and has dynamic speed. If it wasn't for Eli Mitchell, the Cajuns don't beat Georgia's state. They don't come back and beat Georgiana State. Uh, he took that game over and had numerous chunk play runs. And when you envisioned him with his speed and his vision and his ability to plant and accelerate and Kyle Shanahan's running scheme, he's gonna do outstanding. I mean the fact that they were able to get him a trade sermon. Both guys are are you know, tremendous in that aspect in terms of the vision, getting downhill accelerating. Now, Mitchell just does it forty times faster than trade sermon. So I think he's gonna be a sleeper, one of these guys that we're gonna see in week four And you look up, he got nine carries for our husband thirty yards, Like, well, how the hell that happened? But that's that's because he's flosive. And again he's another one of these guys that that you know, you see this more so nowadays. Um, guys don't need volume. Uh, you know, back in I hate to say it, but back in by day, it'd be like if you just give me thirty carriers, and now do you think back, like, you know, why the hell you need thirty carriers to be like when not these dudes just need three and they're good to go because they're used to working in the tandem. I think that you self these guys being uh, you know, ready to go from day one in the NFL. So you're getting a guy that's explosive. You're getting a guy that's dynamic. You're getting a player that can beat one on one coverage in the passing game going down field. So you get someone that can help keep your offense on pace. If he's your starter or if he's your RB two, he's someone that can step in and the offense doesn't miss a beach. So I like the fit in San Francisco, and I love the player obviously because he's dynamic. He can be a special teams age right away, but also can be a guy that's that's gonna see considerable action in the back field. Why is it do you think that guys don't necessarily need thirty touches now at running back to be productive. I mean, I know that's the game's not playing that way? Is it isn't run schemes? I mean, what what is it now that's changed with running backs where they can be more productive with fewer opportunities. Marcus, that is a fantastic question, and I'm glad you asked that because I have a tremendous answer for you. It's the scheme. Think about it. Back in the day. I remember back when I played, it was I formation. Um, you know, the plays were simple. It was like, okay, thirty four dive. You know, twenty nine will thirty eight toss right, so it's like three back to back, eight whole, four hole, six hole, right. But now everything is his own, so it requires you to read and understand. Uh, the blocking, read, understand defense, you know from a front perspective. And everybody's doing it from little league to middle school to high school to college. So this is their I formation, right, this is what they know. And I remember seeing this is so funny. I remember, Uh, one of my homeboys shot me to text. He was like, hey, check out this this running back because he does he handles our high school scouting stuff like check out this running back and hit me back and let me know what you think, because I want to tell you what I think, but I don't want you to, you know. So I watched it and then I can't. I texted him, but I was like, man, this dude is running through gaping holes and he's like I know right, He's like they say, he's the best friending back to come out of Texas. I was like, man, he's like, now watch this guy hit me back. So I watched this other guy. I was like, you know, I kind of like him. He kind of got you got a good feel to it, got a good field for the run game, and he was running more out of a traditional what I consider traditional like I formation downhills offense. The two backs we were watching high school kids was Jonathan Gray and Malcolm Brown. So and so we both were on the same side of it. It's like, you know, Malcolm Brown gonna be better man, because even though Gray had ridiculous high school production, but he wasn't getting touched until he was like eight yards down the field. And it was running outside zone through gaping holes. So if that's what you see and that's how you brought up, and that's what you're playing with, and for the most part, that's what you're going to see at the collegiate level. At the time, Texas wasn't running what they're running now. They were running more you know of a scheme that was Caden towards Malcolm Brown. Um, that's why Gray didn't have the success outside of the injuries. But Gray just wasn't having the success you expect the number one recruit the nation to have. And so I think when you look at these running backs, now everything is outside zone, everything is inside zone, you know, so they've the the amount of reps mental, physical, visual rest that they have in running this offense, and the way the schemes are are are set up to what the defense just doesn't have a chance to really stop these guys. I mean, it's that's why you see players come in and not really need the volume to be successful. The ones that do tend to go high in the first round. Your Sae Kwon Barkley, Uh, you know, you're Adrian Peterson's, you know you, Reggie Bushes, all those type guys. Those game breakers are special and the special players can do special things and given the system, but um, I think that's that's partly why you see this ridiculous talk of fronting backs don't matter. I think people are looking at that from a from a global sense. It's like, well, you know, you kind of get guys that don't need volume. That's true, but it's a difference when you have you know, insert running back a running it versus se Kwon Barkley. Say, Kolon Barkley gets you touchdowns while person be gets your yards. Um. So I can understand the sentiment, but I think the looking at it the wrong way. But that's why I believe we see these backs that are able to come in and do successful things without volume, which leads to people to believe that anybody could play the position. You know, I'm glad you said that too, because I I fall sort of where you do about that. That whole argument. I stopped I've stopped waiting into that argument on Twitter because it's just, you know, at this point, everybody's sort of dug in and now you've already staked the side, and nobody's really changing their minds. So I've kind of stopped arguing it. But I really do believe that there are those guys that are special. You mentioned se Kwan being one. I think we saw it last year in Carolina with Christian McCaffrey not being being healthy. I mean, Mike Davis played well, but you know he wasn't giving you Christian McCaffrey type production over the course of the season. I think that you know, on some level, it still doesn't matter who's back there case not to cut off, but think about and the Brown situation. Quietly, Kareem Hunt doesn't need volume, but quietly Nick Chubb does. However, if you gave Kareem Hunt volume, he'd be you know, equally as successful as Nick Chell. We saw that already as a rookie. But if you go, if you watch him thrive with Nick Chubb. That's the reason why it's you know, Chubb first and Hut second. Hut is capable of playing both. I don't think Chubb is capable of playing both. And I think Chubb is more of the old school back and Hunt is more of the new wage back. That because he has the vision, footwork and understanding of blocking scheme, he doesn't need volume to be successful. It takes someone like Chubb or someone you know of that caliber a little bit longer to try to feel out the defense. That's where the volume comes in. But someone like uh that if you have the vision and elusiveness like a Hunt or Pooka Williams or to Rick Cohen, it doesn't matter if you're coming in cold off the bench. You you trust your eyes and your footwork to make things happen. That's another reason why I think it's also tied into whatever the traits you have as a player. Um, just real quickly, do you think that could end up being the thing with James Robinson and tryings E t n down there in Jacksonville? I think so. I think, um, as he doesn't need volume. Um but Robinson is someone that can kind of get it rolling. It could look a lot like Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. Both are are very good backs in and of itself. When you think about what they're they're asking them to do. It's just that Ett and speed is just that's the thing you take in the first round. You know the level of speeding explosiveness. Um So, if you imagine these twenty yard runs that Robinson gets with Ett and running them, those are now seventy yard touchdowns, you know. So, and you pair those guys both, you're gonna average a healthy a hundred and forty yards on the ground a game. Uh So, I think that's why they want to go with the dual back, especially when you think about Trevor Lawrence component to it. Yeah, he may be tall, he may have long hair, but Trevor Lawrence can pick them up and put them down. So that's the third element to the run game. If you if that backside defensive end decides to be over aggressive, guess who's out the gate and down the sideline for a chunk plate, Trevor Lawrence. So I think they're gonna be a run base, a pro spread offense, run base offense. That's gonna be an explosive pass game. So to use a fantasy term, I'm getting better with this, by the way, a fantasy term. The wide receivers for Jackson all probably would be great in the best ball situation. There you go, I can buy that. I can buy that, And I mean, I mean, I just asked that because so many people like love James Robinson and to see et and go there was like, oh no, what's gonna happen now? But now you can love them both. They're gonna they're both going to have their success. Again, think in terms of uh uh four minute offense James Robinson, but in the middle part of the game at team is gonna be the one that's gonna wear you out because of his speed, Anthon Robinson's gonna budge in you to dead and get you to submit. There it is all right, So both everybody can be happy, everybody can prosper. That's what that's what we want. So what we want. Uh So I got a handful of receivers. I kind of wanted to ask you about two. I know you you were saying Anthony Schwartz, he's drafted to the Browns. Uh, and I know you tweeted that you think he's going to be a better pro than he was a college player. He comes to a wide receiver room that's kind of crowded. What does he have to do you think to get on the field regularly in Cleveland? Uh? If I was Anthony Swarts, you know I probably sitting there a wide receiver and raise my hand like hey Ray and if you run a four two oh, it's just me that automatically gets him on the field. Um, because when you think about Cleveland's offense, Odell Beckham is a game breaker because he's the fastest. But now you add someone faster than him, and you add a better quarterback situation with Baker Mayfield over Boat Nick's. I mean, it's just it just makes so much sense. So I think he's gonna be there a guy that he's their version of Nicole Harman. He's their version of Tyree Kiell. He's their version of insert whatever dynamic special player that you want. That's gonna be Schwartz plus one. He's going to start instantly as a returner and uh, you know specialists, and that's gonna get him on the field. It's gonna get him into the groove of a game, and then they're gonna work him into the offense. So I see him being a significant player, not only you know, the passing game, because he could quietly run routes better than people expect him to. If be just watched him on an individual basis within that offenses, run routes, get out of his brakes, transition out of cuts. He does a good job there, so you can trust him running out. But if you watch him in a wide receiver run game, it adds more to the Hunt, the Chubb dynamic we talked about. When he goes in that jet sweep motion or that orbit motion, you gotta worry about him. Now. You just created a gap for Chubb or Hunt to sprint through. So I I see him being a big part of the offense both um as a ball carrier, as a receiver, but also as someone as as a decoy on these motions. I've noticed that's become so much more of a trend now to you talk about the jet sweeps, the orbit motion and stuff. That is becoming so much a part of so many different offenses. Um. I think, especially for those guys with speed, it is just such a game changer. So I'm curious to see if if he's going to be able to work in there, because I do think it's a it's an interesting pick and just a crowded wide receiver group to him. I'm curious about that. Uh, not so crowded in Washington. I mean, you know, they got Terry mclauren there. I think they're still looking for help. They draft Yami Brown. How do you think he fits in in that offense. I think he fits in like a glove. He's gonna be their deep threat. UM. I think people kind of and and not using this term in a bad way, people sort of overrated Terry mclauren because he was the best of the bunch, you know. But mclauren is best served with a co pilot and I think when you have someone like Diae Brown who's a deep threat, legitimate deep threat, that's gonna open things up for mclauren to really thrive. And I think Diamie Brown is gonna step in right away and be great. People focus on the drops, but if you watch them, uh catching the football, and this is something that requires a little bit of nuance. A lot of his drops are on curls, comebacks, you know, slants, and those require you to have fast hands. It's not like our fast eyes too so old. For for instance, if you're seeing someone dropping those type of passes, you're seeing him catch the middle or the back part of the football, which means he's seeing it late, so he's getting his hands up late. So if you're doing that and getting hit at the same time, that's gonna be a drop. But you never see him drop a ball going over his head. Why because he has time to get his hands underneath he gets time, he gets time to get his body underneath it. He's seeing it longer, so he's able to make those catches. So he's probably on those deep ball receptions as opposed to those shorter, quick in breaking routes. Some guys do a better job of you know, seeing it faster, getting getting their hands up as opposed to others that are that are struggled catching a deep ball. Um. So being a deep ball threat doesn't mean you have great speed. It means that you're nine times of him gonna catch a ball that's going deep down the field. And so for him, when you could bind the speed and his ability to really stack and track um, you know, going down field, it makes him the ideal deep threat. So I'm not worried about his hands or the drops that he had. It's not like he has bad hands. There's a difference between having bad hands and seeing it late. So for him, I'm guessing he's probably gonna have to live in front of the jugs machine at a close at a close range because you see some people, um you normal do standing like about a good ten yards back. So for him, maybe it's you know, standing five yards in front of the machine and training himself to get his hands up faster and find that point faster, to get his hands up in the right proper place to catch the front part of the ball and as supposed to me, the back. So I think it's a great fit because now him and McLaurin gives them dynamic play at the receiver position. The only they're just a quarterback away from being successful. Uh yeah, I mean that's that's the next piece. Look, I mean for fantasy, I love Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's just gonna throw it down field. But I think in terms of building the franchise, you're he's not the long term answer there um last player for you too too, at Well, which I think you know a lot of people were sort of surprise that the Rams drafted him. Um. I mean, look, I mean de Sean Jackson is there, but we know he is certainly, I think the tail end of his career. Uh, the offense at least the wide receivers pretty much run through Robert Woods and Cooper Cup. But we have faith in Sean McVeigh that he can find ways to use pieces. Uh do you believe he can find a way to use at Well in this offense? Well? He better. He drafted him right, and I think so. Man. Listen, I know people are hung up on his one nine, but I don't care. If he's built like a solid punch drow has speed, right, and the thing about him is that you watch him just pull away from coverage somebody I love with people on Twitter or people in comments sections, are are even interviews actually, like well Kenny was staying the pounding. What if he's going across the middle and this you know, six nine eighty pound week side linebacker just blows him up, like well, you know, he would just get back up and get back on the huddle like he did every place. O this, I don't think it. Here's what people do. You understand the hits that you see that go that make you go oh, those never hurt. It's still still annoying suckers that you don't see that you you go back like, man, that really my hit hurts, like thats something ridiculous. So I'm not worried about him at that weight. And we've seen Sean McVeigh try to incorporate, you know, some smallest receivers and that offense recently, Um the kid from Eastern Washington that's the returner that that was there. Uh, I forget his same but he's but he's someone that they try to work into the offense. We've seen J. J. Nelson have success. I'm always gonna believe in Tavon Austen. I don't care what the numbers production says because of the speed, and I think you know, to to act well was I think online people got tired of talking about him. But if you go back to like the spring or a summer of like right after draft, all people talk about two to act well and again, if you're doing it in the a SEC against people that you're to be playing against in the pros, I think you're gonna be doing it in the pros. I'll be interested to see where those opportunities come. Is he gonna be more in the wide receiver run game? Is he gonna be more in uh as a deep threat on these deep open routes. Seem like you'd have been better suited to play in Seattle, but how they use these shorter, smaller receivers. But they got one in the Wayne Esperts to go along with Tyle Locket. So I do think, you know they'll find a way to get at Well more involved in the offense this year. Yeah, Like I said, I I believe that he'll figure out a way to use him. Um, you know he's made. I kept hearing the de Sean Jackson comparisons and I'm like, well, he gets to learn alongside de Shan then for you know, a year or two so that that's gonna be cool and he'll gain weight. Man, he's I think he's recently posing. He's like one sixty six. Yeah you're still small, but yeah, you still you're getting there. You're working in the right direction. Not to mention that. Look, man, I don't care who you are. If you get hit by a dude who's six eight and it's gonna hurt, it's gonna hurt. It's gonna make some noise, go k go, you know. Yeah, I mean that's just facts. It just doesn't really matter. Um. So obviously, you know, we've already seen the look aheads to the two draft. People are already putting out their projections. Uh, for you, have you started your scouting? Are you starting to look ahead till next year's draft. Here's what's fascinating and interesting and it kind of ties into your initial question about, um, how has the scouting process changed? You know, back in March April, I didn't think we were going to have a college football season. It seemed like there was no way, you know, on Lebron James and that we're gonna have a college football season, right, So I'm looking. So I started my grading process early, and as the seasons started to happen, I had to move I had at the time, I had like eighty quarterbacks graded, so I had to move like fifty quarterbacks into So that process has already started for quarterbacks and running back stuff. Mount of running backs had to take out of my one class and moved too. You know. It was because I was watching the film was already has already done. Uh. And so I'm excited because I now have a jump start on because I don't start my process as usually until January once I started traveling to all these All Star games. And then when I come back, Um, I take two weeks of just watching film and grading. So all my grades are done before the combine and they've done in the final, so that's when everything gets out. So now with that, with half that I have, but a good part of that process started already, UM, it's gonna be exciting. And I'm just now excited that I can now include the fcs and D two prospects into the mix because they didn't play last year and so or last you know fall. So now you have to go and really dive into those prospects, So I'm excited about it. So yes, it has started, um more of an outline in terms of Okay, let me get a list together and start trying to chop these guys down. So I guess that's that part of half learned to try to work that work smarter, um, because I was waiting till, you know, those two weeks in February to really break down all that was in prospects or whatever. But if I could get started a little earlier, kind of chip away, chip away, chip away, I can get a draft guy out earlier. I can get my grades done earlier. They still will be done before the combine, And that's my main goal. Does I mean give yourself like a week or two to just relaxed, Absolutely not absolutely because when you because now you've got to defend everything that you you just put out. You know, so like let's say eighteen you know, I was, I did the whole game, but why you have Lamar Jackson number one? And and why you have him such a high degrade than everybody else, So now you gotta go. You gotta go on radio circuit and defend your table. That's the fun part, you know, you get to competitively argue with everybody. Once those grades are done, all right, well look forward to it. I appreciate you coming back on I said it had been too long. I enjoy just kind of following along with your stuff and watching videos and all that kind of thing. For folks who don't know where can they find what you're doing. They could follow me on Twitter at f Ball game Plan. 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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's being your Man, NAMG Marcus Grant and I'm fully vaccinated. I got my second shot on Monday, So one step closer to normal things. Anyway, Big show, as we always do, we have obviously gone through the NFL Draft last week. We had a mock draft to kind of see where some guys are slotting and how guys are sort of shaking out now that they have homes. But we know that there are a lot of you guys out there who are playing dynasty leagues, who are playing debbie leagues, and who really want to go a little bit deeper beyond just you know, the guys that we saw in the first couple of rounds come off the NFL draft boards. So to do that, I got a guy who is on top of it, who is one of the smartest guys when it comes to this, who puts in the work, who look his nickname is the c are of the playbook that tells you everything you need to know. Uh. It is from Football Game Plan, Emory Hunt. And it's been a couple of years since I've had you on. It is way too long I appreciate you taking some time. How you doing, man, I'm doing fine. Man, I appreciate you. Man. It doesn't feel like years. It feel like we talk every every year, every summer. It's just as I'm stackin. You said that, I know, No, it really not. I mean, I know you know obviously we we chat via social media and Twitter and what have you, and I'm always kind of keeping up with what you're doing and everything. But yeah, I think it has been a couple of years that you've actually been here, and uh, we should. We should make the gap shorter if we can in the future. But um, I wanted to just start kind of by by talking to you because I know what you do and I follow a lot of what you do. Um, but for folks who don't know, explain a little bit about football game plan and how it came to be. You know, it's the one stop shop for the football fan. We cover everything. If it involves a pig scam, we got to cover from NFL college football, all levels of college fook, all Canadian football overseas, that that played American football, women's tackle football, high school, so it doesn't matter, we cover it. And you know how we got started. It was during the Vince Young draft how everything kind of got rolling. Uh Me and a couple of friends of mine. We're just upset at the commentary surrounding Vince shung as if he couldn't play, as if we just didn't come off watching the greatest game ever played, right, U huh. And so instead of us sitting on the phone five way arguing about what people are saying on TV, so like, let's start a website. And so it took us a full year. So in two thousand seven we started football game playing and it was very popular off the bat because we released the article. We had different sections star website, and one was a comedic uh side of it, and you know, at the time that was a whole Michael Vick dog fighting thing. And so our first article off the site was, well, since QB seven wants to fight dogs, here's some dog fights we want to see, you know, Clifford versus you know, uh Scooby, And so we started breaking down the matchups and so they kind of got people to the site and then they saw the football analysis. So that's how we got started. And then at O nine, uh me realizing that you know, people didn't like to read anymore and having a having a broadcast background. I went to Scool for broadcasting with a minor in theater. It's like, you know, I can get camera equipment and I can say things faster than I can write these articles and crop out pictures. And YouTube had just started. Um, so we started doing We transitioned to video are we quote unquote pivoted to video pretty quickly in oh nine and that kind of got us out there even faster because nobody was doing video. And that's how our YouTube channel kind of grew in blue um saying with in two thousands. Ever with podcasting, you know, we started it was a blog talk radio show. It was a live show every Saturday. We was taking callers and we were so fun and having fun with it and so proud of what we were doing. But it was funny because people used to say. I used to tell people we had a TV show and uh, and people are like, oh, working with stations like oh, it's a YouTube channel, Oh it's on YouTube, And tell people at a radio show, oh what station it was always on? You know, it's on Blottock. Oh it's Internet. But fast forward now everything is podcasting and so it was kind of got out in front and that kind of helped Springboarder because it was like the first into space and it just kind of grew our name, grew our brand, and it kind of helped grow me professionally to where now I'm doing college football games, broadcasting and all kinds of other things, doing more TV as well, and all started from you know, you know, I thought started from YouTube and and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool to see, which has been amazing. It's been great to watch. And also look for everybody out there who's trying to get in. And I'm sure you get questions. I get questions. I mean, this is sort of how you do it. You just you just start with something you love, you put the work in and eventually over time and hopefully grows. And by the way, you talk about that Vince Young game, I was. I was in Pasadene, I was at the Rose Bowl. Um. I was on the other side of it, So my feelings were a little bit more hurt when I walked out of the stadium. UM. But yeah, I was very aware that Vince Young could play for I had no I had no doubts about it. Um. You obviously you do a lot of scouting. I mean you you are everywhere. Just people who follow your tweets alone know that you are everywhere scouting where, the Senior Bowl, combine, what have you. Obviously, this year was a different year with the pandemic. How much did that change what you do and how difficult was it this past year? It was a unique experience because, like you said, I'm always on the go, so being forced to sit down somewhere you know and does not do anything was kind of unique in its sense. But as with anything in football, they called it sudden change. So as with anything, you just got to figure out how to do things. But it helped me just get more involved in film, get more involved in my creative process of what I wanted to do moving forward, not just this season, but you know, three or four or five years down the line with football game plan. So it kind of just, you know, forced you to hit reset. But as far as a scouting part, I wasn't on campus like I was usually I'm on campus three times a week a Thursday, Friday is Saturday. I'm on the college campus doing something, whether it's talking to coach, broadcasting game or out of practice or two scouting talent um to get ahead of the draft. So without that being the case, it's just it was just a lot of you know, prep work, and fortunately for me, it was an opportunity to do more studio stuff. I was you know, I'm with CBS Sports HQ, so I'm doing stuff there and you know, I'm watching these games as opposed to being there, and it was kind of shocking, Like, man, I missed being out, you know, smelling the grass, you know, grading press box food. You know, I love to eat in some of these places. You miss But it kind of forced me to take a step back and look at the game from a different perspective and just work on myself. But because the film is the film, Um, there's a lot of the answer everything that you missed about going to live games. But the film is a film, so I didn't lose any part of that aspect of it. But I just missed being around people and being around an atmosphere. Yeah. I think I think we all kind of feel that way, and you know, I think we're all hoping and looking forward to getting back to something normal again. Um. You know, I just look, I was watching a baseball game over the weekend and just wanting to talk to myself, like it would be nice to be sitting outside, you know, having a hot dog and a beer or something like that. So hopefully we're getting closer to that um with the guys that you talk about. The film is the film, and there was still filmed to watch. There were games that were played, even if the schedule uh maybe started later in some places, was shortened in other places. Do you feel like that's going to have an impact on guys getting ready for this season just knowing that that, you know, last year was weird for everybody, you know, I think it's gonna be unique for a lot of people teams involved. If you go back to when everything first hit the ground as far as COVID is concerned, and then you look at this past season. If we're keeping in the buck, I think that all teams did a great job in the draft, and I truly believe that less is more. You know, back when we let's say two thousand nineteen, when we were able to do everything, you know, you still you had some head scratches in the draft, like, man, how could this guy drop or why would this guy go ahead of this guy? And that just doesn't seem like a good fit for the player aid to player B. But the last two drafts because of COVID, I feel like everybody just kinda stayed true to what the take told them and made selections based off that. So I think you're gonna see I think they kind of gave players at the collegiate level a little bit more of a side relief, Like, all right, cool, if I just bawl out on film, I'm just gonna be good on film because we know a lot of guys to get out there, uh and they'll drop weight, they're running fast, forty jump high, and they'll go higher when their tape is non existent. And so if people just keep it true to the tape, a lot of these guys that are going to be paid to play the game of football are gonna find themselves getting drafted. I think that's something that both sides could take advantage of. The teams which I think have done well, and the player is to put more focus on getting better on the field as opposed to Okay, if I just if I'm an average on the field, I know I could just kill my pro didn't get drafted. It's not gonna work like that. I don't think in the future. Yeah. I mean you always heard those stories about those guys who pretty much trained for the combine, right, who worry about their forty times and their agility drills and what have you, and they have that great they have a great day in Indianapolis, uh, and never quite live up to it. I mean, having said that, do you feel like this is going to change the scouting process. Are we going to have uh, you know, less of the rigamar role like we used to or is it is it just gonna go back to normal once we sort of open up. Yeah, that's a great question, because I feel like you like to think that teams are creatures of habit and and you know, so far the habit has been indeed Pro Days draft, but now the habit has become film virtual Pro Day's workouts and draft and I think, you know, we're going to see a change to the process. We're gonna see more teams, um get back to more of film watching and trusting that as opposed to these workouts. I think we've gotten a little bit too enamored with the workouts and it kind of strayed away from the actual game of football and people thinking that you can just create football players. Um. And that's not the case because if you go back, let's look at last season. How competitive last season was. There were truly no terrible teams outside even Jacksonville. They I know they finished one in fifteen, but they were competitive in all those games. Um. And the record may not have indicated, but I don't recall last year being like, oh my god, this team. I can't even watch this team play until terrible. Right. You know he didn't say that about anybody. So I think that teams, because of the talent they were able to infuse them to their rosters or to their organizations, got better. And I think we'll see a fundamental change. I say that now, but watch next year when everything opens back up. It's gonna be back to the Corby, back to the pro days, and we're gonna be back on track for chaos. I mean, look, I would love to see this theme change. I feel like the draft process and draft season just gets we get to the silly season at some point. Right when you get you know, you get anonymous scouts making hot takes on guys. It just don't seem to make sense. Um. So I would hope that maybe there's going to be a change and maybe we see things uh done differently. But at the same time, you know, folks just want you know, they want that shrimp cocktail and Saint Elmo's exactly when they gotta they gotta hang with me, man, I'll show you some better food spots. Like I'm all over, I'm all on the restaurant train. Yeah, well next time I get there, if I'm at the combine again, I'm I'm gonna look you up and we can we can figure out somewhere to eat. One thing that surprised me, and you know, not that this has anything to do with fantasy specifically, but we didn't see any players drafted from HBCUs this year. And I know it was a thing that that Dion Sanders spoke about on Twitter not long after the draft. Now that he's coaching in an HBCU. Did that surprise you at all? It's not really. Uh, it's sort of surprised me because I thought the trend from the draft perspective, what's that, Man, if you participate in the Senior Bowl, you're getting drafted. And so there were a couple of guys that were HBCU players that were in the Senior Bowl um, David Moore from Grambling, They and Brian Mills from North Carolina Central. I was like, all right, they'll get drafted. They played in the Senior Bowl. Seems like that has That was the trend of the draft from these scouts. They got a chance to see these guys alive, and that's worth more than you know, the tape right now in some cases. But I was shocked to see those guys not go. I was even shocked to see mac McCain not get drafted because the last time we saw him was in the Celebration Bowl. He had a field day, making plays on the ball, turn the ball over, and he matches up athletically. But I can understand why they didn't get drafted. You probably had any jury concerns about mc McCain, who spent some time getting injured, so they probably want to clean bill of health because it's a lot of unknown. David Moore, he showed up the UH Senior Bowl at three fifty. Then at his pro day I think he was like three thirty. So it's like, okay, so what's his true way? You know, like if you are you three fifty or you three thirty, and if that's gonna be a problem. So that kind of crossed him off. And Mills ran a four or six even though you watched him match up and play the ball in coverage. Okay, if he runs the four six, it's a way for us to you know, not draft him. But quickly after the draft all three got signed, so they knew there were good players. I just think that this was such a unique year. In the last two years we saw this team just went with known commodities. You know, guys, they've seen a lot of guys that had very minimal red flags or red marks on their profile and they just drafted those guys. So I don't think it's anything uh sliding HBCUs. I just think it's uh, you know, this particular draft in last year was basically what are the known options? I mean we were what two years removed from an HBC player going in the first round and tightest Howard. So it's you know, so I think if guys, if the last year was normal, we would have seen, you know, a couple of HBC players get drafted. I think in three we'll see a bunch more because I also believe next year, because there's so many players that are going to be in the draft. Uh pot, some guys will get pushed down. And that's not just HBCU. That's gonna be a lot of small kind of guys too, because of the pool from h FBS is gonna be bigger, and by nature, you know, they're gonna try to skim off the top first. Unless you have just such a standout player. You're gonna have a standout player to get drafted. But I think because of what I've seen coming down the pipeline at the HBC level, from the high school level, they got some legit dudes. That's gonna be uh studs coming up from the HP suit race, we'll probably see a record number get drafted in Wow. All right, that's something to look forward to. Then then, uh, you know what I said, I know Deon Beyon made a big point and they played. They played in the spring. Of course, nobody was gonna get drafted. That's the other part of it, you know. I guess I didn't think about that too, right, because we had seasons actually shifted. So uh yeah, I'm sure that that probably did did play into it a little bit. I didn't even take that into account. That's a good point, um, all Right, So I want to get to to you about some players that were drafted second third day that I know at least across the process you kind of you like to release you pointed out and talked about a little bit. The first one Romandre Stevenson, who ends up going to the Patriots. Everything I've read about him since he got drafted keeps the name La Garrett Blunt keeps keeps showing up there. I even saw somebody that that did some clips side by side of of Stevenson runs that looked like Blunt runs when he was with the Patriots. Is that is that a bridge too far? Or is there some truth to that that comparison? As with anything, the truth lies somewhere in between. Right. Uh, he's a little bit La Garrett Blunt, and he's also a little bit of Deonta Foreman. Uh. People forget how fast Blunt was coming out of Oregon. Blunt rank kicks back you know, you don't, you're not gonna see or Madre Stevenson return kicks. Um. So Blunt had legit sprinter speed. But both for these big bruising backs with quick feet, and uh for Foreman. Foreman had like straight line speed. You know where he could burst through the line and and pick up yards and chunks coming out of Texas. But I think both. I think the footwork side, he's lagart bunt blunt speed side is probably more Deonta Foreman. So I think you combine the two you get with Madre Stevenson. I do think he's they envisioned him being there for minute offense guy, their short yardiest goal line guys, so they're looking for him to close out games and score touchdowns. So I think that's going to be his role with New England. As to saying, I mean, I feel like there's there is definitely a role for him then, right because you know Sony Michelle has you know, the I don't know if it's the injury that just kind of sapped him of everything. He's not the same guy that he was coming out of college. They mean Harris. I think it is a nice player, but I feel like neither of those guys has really put a lock on that job, and I do feel like Stevenson, uh could kind of fight his way in there, especially you know there's no Rex Birkhead. I think there's there's an opportunity for Stevenson to to kind of be a playmaker there. Um in Cincinnati. We know Joe Mixon is gonna be that guy, but Geo Bernard's not there anymore. They went out, they got Chris Evans, they got Puca Williams. Why, I know you you really liked, especially at the start of the process. You like Puca Williams. I know he had, you know, some arrest issues that that might have worked against him in the draft. But when you look at Evans and Williams, either of those guys are they poised to maybe make an impact in Cincinnati in the near future. I think Puca Williams by sheer explosiveness, you know. Uh. And one thing I love about his game is that he's so elusive, so he's making you miss. He knows how to run behind his pet so you're not gonna get a clean shot on him. So those that maybe worried about his weight don't worry about that because it doesn't matter. You can't hit what you can't catch, you can't hurt what you can't touch. Good luck with that with Puca Williams. Right, and um, the fact that he can help you in the multitud of ways. He doesn't need volume. He can return kicks, he can return punts. He can catch the ball out of the backfield, and not just your standard swing screens, flares and flats type back. I'm talking about downfield threat in the passing game. So it sounds like a lot like Jeo Bernard, doesn't it. I think that's him. Chris evans I like Chris Evans um for a nostalgic reason. For me, he's like amp Lee. You know, he's a He has no speed, but it's super elusive. It doesn't make sense, like he could make you miss, and you're like, man, this dude doesn't. He's not fast, but he's constantly making yards and doing and doing good things with his footwork. So I think he's probably more alone a lits as someone that can. Uh. You know, he could make a team, But if you're talking about a one to one with Jio, Bernard is probably Puca Williams. And when you watch Pluka Williams play and watch him do amazing things, and I say this all the time, what makes him even more special is that when you watch him do all those things and realize he doesn't have toes on one foot, it just makes everything he does ridiculous. Um, because of a childhood accident I think longmore cut off like the five toes on one foot, and the coach saw him stuff in socks into one of his cleats and acts on what was going on, and that's how you found out. But when you watch all so now take that information and go watch Pooka Williams highlights again and watch this tape again. It's like, man, how do this dude is doing this? It's ridiculous. Wow, that's that's incredible. Yeah, I didn't know that part of the story. That's amazing. I am gonna watch it again. It kind of a different mindset. Which also, by the way, I hadn't heard the name Ample and at least ten years. So thank you for that one. I appreciate that. Here for yeah, I appreciate it. So I here I am. I'm talking to one of the findest raging Cajuns uh that there is out there. But I want to ask you about another one, Eli Mitchell, who went to the forty niners. Um, what should we know about about you? Like Mitchell, He's explosive and has dynamic speed. If it wasn't for Eli Mitchell, the Cajuns don't beat Georgia's state. They don't come back and beat Georgiana State. Uh, he took that game over and had numerous chunk play runs. And when you envisioned him with his speed and his vision and his ability to plant and accelerate and Kyle Shanahan's running scheme, he's gonna do outstanding. I mean the fact that they were able to get him a trade sermon. Both guys are are you know, tremendous in that aspect in terms of the vision, getting downhill accelerating. Now, Mitchell just does it forty times faster than trade sermon. So I think he's gonna be a sleeper, one of these guys that we're gonna see in week four And you look up, he got nine carries for our husband thirty yards, Like, well, how the hell that happened? But that's that's because he's flosive. And again he's another one of these guys that that you know, you see this more so nowadays. Um, guys don't need volume. Uh, you know, back in I hate to say it, but back in by day, it'd be like if you just give me thirty carriers, and now do you think back, like, you know, why the hell you need thirty carriers to be like when not these dudes just need three and they're good to go because they're used to working in the tandem. I think that you self these guys being uh, you know, ready to go from day one in the NFL. So you're getting a guy that's explosive. You're getting a guy that's dynamic. You're getting a player that can beat one on one coverage in the passing game going down field. So you get someone that can help keep your offense on pace. If he's your starter or if he's your RB two, he's someone that can step in and the offense doesn't miss a beach. So I like the fit in San Francisco, and I love the player obviously because he's dynamic. He can be a special teams age right away, but also can be a guy that's that's gonna see considerable action in the back field. Why is it do you think that guys don't necessarily need thirty touches now at running back to be productive. I mean, I know that's the game's not playing that way? Is it isn't run schemes? I mean, what what is it now that's changed with running backs where they can be more productive with fewer opportunities. Marcus, that is a fantastic question, and I'm glad you asked that because I have a tremendous answer for you. It's the scheme. Think about it. Back in the day. I remember back when I played, it was I formation. Um, you know, the plays were simple. It was like, okay, thirty four dive. You know, twenty nine will thirty eight toss right, so it's like three back to back, eight whole, four hole, six hole, right. But now everything is his own, so it requires you to read and understand. Uh, the blocking, read, understand defense, you know from a front perspective. And everybody's doing it from little league to middle school to high school to college. So this is their I formation, right, this is what they know. And I remember seeing this is so funny. I remember, Uh, one of my homeboys shot me to text. He was like, hey, check out this this running back because he does he handles our high school scouting stuff like check out this running back and hit me back and let me know what you think, because I want to tell you what I think, but I don't want you to, you know. So I watched it and then I can't. I texted him, but I was like, man, this dude is running through gaping holes and he's like I know right, He's like they say, he's the best friending back to come out of Texas. I was like, man, he's like, now watch this guy hit me back. So I watched this other guy. I was like, you know, I kind of like him. He kind of got you got a good feel to it, got a good field for the run game, and he was running more out of a traditional what I consider traditional like I formation downhills offense. The two backs we were watching high school kids was Jonathan Gray and Malcolm Brown. So and so we both were on the same side of it. It's like, you know, Malcolm Brown gonna be better man, because even though Gray had ridiculous high school production, but he wasn't getting touched until he was like eight yards down the field. And it was running outside zone through gaping holes. So if that's what you see and that's how you brought up, and that's what you're playing with, and for the most part, that's what you're going to see at the collegiate level. At the time, Texas wasn't running what they're running now. They were running more you know of a scheme that was Caden towards Malcolm Brown. Um, that's why Gray didn't have the success outside of the injuries. But Gray just wasn't having the success you expect the number one recruit the nation to have. And so I think when you look at these running backs, now everything is outside zone, everything is inside zone, you know, so they've the the amount of reps mental, physical, visual rest that they have in running this offense, and the way the schemes are are are set up to what the defense just doesn't have a chance to really stop these guys. I mean, it's that's why you see players come in and not really need the volume to be successful. The ones that do tend to go high in the first round. Your Sae Kwon Barkley, Uh, you know, you're Adrian Peterson's, you know you, Reggie Bushes, all those type guys. Those game breakers are special and the special players can do special things and given the system, but um, I think that's that's partly why you see this ridiculous talk of fronting backs don't matter. I think people are looking at that from a from a global sense. It's like, well, you know, you kind of get guys that don't need volume. That's true, but it's a difference when you have you know, insert running back a running it versus se Kwon Barkley. Say, Kolon Barkley gets you touchdowns while person be gets your yards. Um. So I can understand the sentiment, but I think the looking at it the wrong way. But that's why I believe we see these backs that are able to come in and do successful things without volume, which leads to people to believe that anybody could play the position. You know, I'm glad you said that too, because I I fall sort of where you do about that. That whole argument. I stopped I've stopped waiting into that argument on Twitter because it's just, you know, at this point, everybody's sort of dug in and now you've already staked the side, and nobody's really changing their minds. So I've kind of stopped arguing it. But I really do believe that there are those guys that are special. You mentioned se Kwan being one. I think we saw it last year in Carolina with Christian McCaffrey not being being healthy. I mean, Mike Davis played well, but you know he wasn't giving you Christian McCaffrey type production over the course of the season. I think that you know, on some level, it still doesn't matter who's back there case not to cut off, but think about and the Brown situation. Quietly, Kareem Hunt doesn't need volume, but quietly Nick Chubb does. However, if you gave Kareem Hunt volume, he'd be you know, equally as successful as Nick Chell. We saw that already as a rookie. But if you go, if you watch him thrive with Nick Chubb. That's the reason why it's you know, Chubb first and Hut second. Hut is capable of playing both. I don't think Chubb is capable of playing both. And I think Chubb is more of the old school back and Hunt is more of the new wage back. That because he has the vision, footwork and understanding of blocking scheme, he doesn't need volume to be successful. It takes someone like Chubb or someone you know of that caliber a little bit longer to try to feel out the defense. That's where the volume comes in. But someone like uh that if you have the vision and elusiveness like a Hunt or Pooka Williams or to Rick Cohen, it doesn't matter if you're coming in cold off the bench. You you trust your eyes and your footwork to make things happen. That's another reason why I think it's also tied into whatever the traits you have as a player. Um, just real quickly, do you think that could end up being the thing with James Robinson and tryings E t n down there in Jacksonville? I think so. I think, um, as he doesn't need volume. Um but Robinson is someone that can kind of get it rolling. It could look a lot like Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. Both are are very good backs in and of itself. When you think about what they're they're asking them to do. It's just that Ett and speed is just that's the thing you take in the first round. You know the level of speeding explosiveness. Um So, if you imagine these twenty yard runs that Robinson gets with Ett and running them, those are now seventy yard touchdowns, you know. So, and you pair those guys both, you're gonna average a healthy a hundred and forty yards on the ground a game. Uh So, I think that's why they want to go with the dual back, especially when you think about Trevor Lawrence component to it. Yeah, he may be tall, he may have long hair, but Trevor Lawrence can pick them up and put them down. So that's the third element to the run game. If you if that backside defensive end decides to be over aggressive, guess who's out the gate and down the sideline for a chunk plate, Trevor Lawrence. So I think they're gonna be a run base, a pro spread offense, run base offense. That's gonna be an explosive pass game. So to use a fantasy term, I'm getting better with this, by the way, a fantasy term. The wide receivers for Jackson all probably would be great in the best ball situation. There you go, I can buy that. I can buy that, And I mean, I mean, I just asked that because so many people like love James Robinson and to see et and go there was like, oh no, what's gonna happen now? But now you can love them both. They're gonna they're both going to have their success. Again, think in terms of uh uh four minute offense James Robinson, but in the middle part of the game at team is gonna be the one that's gonna wear you out because of his speed, Anthon Robinson's gonna budge in you to dead and get you to submit. There it is all right, So both everybody can be happy, everybody can prosper. That's what that's what we want. So what we want. Uh So I got a handful of receivers. I kind of wanted to ask you about two. I know you you were saying Anthony Schwartz, he's drafted to the Browns. Uh, and I know you tweeted that you think he's going to be a better pro than he was a college player. He comes to a wide receiver room that's kind of crowded. What does he have to do you think to get on the field regularly in Cleveland? Uh? If I was Anthony Swarts, you know I probably sitting there a wide receiver and raise my hand like hey Ray and if you run a four two oh, it's just me that automatically gets him on the field. Um, because when you think about Cleveland's offense, Odell Beckham is a game breaker because he's the fastest. But now you add someone faster than him, and you add a better quarterback situation with Baker Mayfield over Boat Nick's. I mean, it's just it just makes so much sense. So I think he's gonna be there a guy that he's their version of Nicole Harman. He's their version of Tyree Kiell. He's their version of insert whatever dynamic special player that you want. That's gonna be Schwartz plus one. He's going to start instantly as a returner and uh, you know specialists, and that's gonna get him on the field. It's gonna get him into the groove of a game, and then they're gonna work him into the offense. So I see him being a significant player, not only you know, the passing game, because he could quietly run routes better than people expect him to. If be just watched him on an individual basis within that offenses, run routes, get out of his brakes, transition out of cuts. He does a good job there, so you can trust him running out. But if you watch him in a wide receiver run game, it adds more to the Hunt, the Chubb dynamic we talked about. When he goes in that jet sweep motion or that orbit motion, you gotta worry about him. Now. You just created a gap for Chubb or Hunt to sprint through. So I I see him being a big part of the offense both um as a ball carrier, as a receiver, but also as someone as as a decoy on these motions. I've noticed that's become so much more of a trend now to you talk about the jet sweeps, the orbit motion and stuff. That is becoming so much a part of so many different offenses. Um. I think, especially for those guys with speed, it is just such a game changer. So I'm curious to see if if he's going to be able to work in there, because I do think it's a it's an interesting pick and just a crowded wide receiver group to him. I'm curious about that. Uh, not so crowded in Washington. I mean, you know, they got Terry mclauren there. I think they're still looking for help. They draft Yami Brown. How do you think he fits in in that offense. I think he fits in like a glove. He's gonna be their deep threat. UM. I think people kind of and and not using this term in a bad way, people sort of overrated Terry mclauren because he was the best of the bunch, you know. But mclauren is best served with a co pilot and I think when you have someone like Diae Brown who's a deep threat, legitimate deep threat, that's gonna open things up for mclauren to really thrive. And I think Diamie Brown is gonna step in right away and be great. People focus on the drops, but if you watch them, uh catching the football, and this is something that requires a little bit of nuance. A lot of his drops are on curls, comebacks, you know, slants, and those require you to have fast hands. It's not like our fast eyes too so old. For for instance, if you're seeing someone dropping those type of passes, you're seeing him catch the middle or the back part of the football, which means he's seeing it late, so he's getting his hands up late. So if you're doing that and getting hit at the same time, that's gonna be a drop. But you never see him drop a ball going over his head. Why because he has time to get his hands underneath he gets time, he gets time to get his body underneath it. He's seeing it longer, so he's able to make those catches. So he's probably on those deep ball receptions as opposed to those shorter, quick in breaking routes. Some guys do a better job of you know, seeing it faster, getting getting their hands up as opposed to others that are that are struggled catching a deep ball. Um. So being a deep ball threat doesn't mean you have great speed. It means that you're nine times of him gonna catch a ball that's going deep down the field. And so for him, when you could bind the speed and his ability to really stack and track um, you know, going down field, it makes him the ideal deep threat. So I'm not worried about his hands or the drops that he had. It's not like he has bad hands. There's a difference between having bad hands and seeing it late. So for him, I'm guessing he's probably gonna have to live in front of the jugs machine at a close at a close range because you see some people, um you normal do standing like about a good ten yards back. So for him, maybe it's you know, standing five yards in front of the machine and training himself to get his hands up faster and find that point faster, to get his hands up in the right proper place to catch the front part of the ball and as supposed to me, the back. So I think it's a great fit because now him and McLaurin gives them dynamic play at the receiver position. The only they're just a quarterback away from being successful. Uh yeah, I mean that's that's the next piece. Look, I mean for fantasy, I love Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's just gonna throw it down field. But I think in terms of building the franchise, you're he's not the long term answer there um last player for you too too, at Well, which I think you know a lot of people were sort of surprise that the Rams drafted him. Um. I mean, look, I mean de Sean Jackson is there, but we know he is certainly, I think the tail end of his career. Uh, the offense at least the wide receivers pretty much run through Robert Woods and Cooper Cup. But we have faith in Sean McVeigh that he can find ways to use pieces. Uh do you believe he can find a way to use at Well in this offense? Well? He better. He drafted him right, and I think so. Man. Listen, I know people are hung up on his one nine, but I don't care. If he's built like a solid punch drow has speed, right, and the thing about him is that you watch him just pull away from coverage somebody I love with people on Twitter or people in comments sections, are are even interviews actually, like well Kenny was staying the pounding. What if he's going across the middle and this you know, six nine eighty pound week side linebacker just blows him up, like well, you know, he would just get back up and get back on the huddle like he did every place. O this, I don't think it. Here's what people do. You understand the hits that you see that go that make you go oh, those never hurt. It's still still annoying suckers that you don't see that you you go back like, man, that really my hit hurts, like thats something ridiculous. So I'm not worried about him at that weight. And we've seen Sean McVeigh try to incorporate, you know, some smallest receivers and that offense recently, Um the kid from Eastern Washington that's the returner that that was there. Uh, I forget his same but he's but he's someone that they try to work into the offense. We've seen J. J. Nelson have success. I'm always gonna believe in Tavon Austen. I don't care what the numbers production says because of the speed, and I think you know, to to act well was I think online people got tired of talking about him. But if you go back to like the spring or a summer of like right after draft, all people talk about two to act well and again, if you're doing it in the a SEC against people that you're to be playing against in the pros, I think you're gonna be doing it in the pros. I'll be interested to see where those opportunities come. Is he gonna be more in the wide receiver run game? Is he gonna be more in uh as a deep threat on these deep open routes. Seem like you'd have been better suited to play in Seattle, but how they use these shorter, smaller receivers. But they got one in the Wayne Esperts to go along with Tyle Locket. So I do think, you know they'll find a way to get at Well more involved in the offense this year. Yeah, Like I said, I I believe that he'll figure out a way to use him. Um, you know he's made. I kept hearing the de Sean Jackson comparisons and I'm like, well, he gets to learn alongside de Shan then for you know, a year or two so that that's gonna be cool and he'll gain weight. Man, he's I think he's recently posing. He's like one sixty six. Yeah you're still small, but yeah, you still you're getting there. You're working in the right direction. Not to mention that. Look, man, I don't care who you are. If you get hit by a dude who's six eight and it's gonna hurt, it's gonna hurt. It's gonna make some noise, go k go, you know. Yeah, I mean that's just facts. It just doesn't really matter. Um. So obviously, you know, we've already seen the look aheads to the two draft. People are already putting out their projections. Uh, for you, have you started your scouting? Are you starting to look ahead till next year's draft. Here's what's fascinating and interesting and it kind of ties into your initial question about, um, how has the scouting process changed? You know, back in March April, I didn't think we were going to have a college football season. It seemed like there was no way, you know, on Lebron James and that we're gonna have a college football season, right, So I'm looking. So I started my grading process early, and as the seasons started to happen, I had to move I had at the time, I had like eighty quarterbacks graded, so I had to move like fifty quarterbacks into So that process has already started for quarterbacks and running back stuff. Mount of running backs had to take out of my one class and moved too. You know. It was because I was watching the film was already has already done. Uh. And so I'm excited because I now have a jump start on because I don't start my process as usually until January once I started traveling to all these All Star games. And then when I come back, Um, I take two weeks of just watching film and grading. So all my grades are done before the combine and they've done in the final, so that's when everything gets out. So now with that, with half that I have, but a good part of that process started already, UM, it's gonna be exciting. And I'm just now excited that I can now include the fcs and D two prospects into the mix because they didn't play last year and so or last you know fall. So now you have to go and really dive into those prospects, So I'm excited about it. So yes, it has started, um more of an outline in terms of Okay, let me get a list together and start trying to chop these guys down. So I guess that's that part of half learned to try to work that work smarter, um, because I was waiting till, you know, those two weeks in February to really break down all that was in prospects or whatever. But if I could get started a little earlier, kind of chip away, chip away, chip away, I can get a draft guy out earlier. I can get my grades done earlier. They still will be done before the combine, And that's my main goal. Does I mean give yourself like a week or two to just relaxed, Absolutely not absolutely because when you because now you've got to defend everything that you you just put out. You know, so like let's say eighteen you know, I was, I did the whole game, but why you have Lamar Jackson number one? And and why you have him such a high degrade than everybody else, So now you gotta go. You gotta go on radio circuit and defend your table. That's the fun part, you know, you get to competitively argue with everybody. Once those grades are done, all right, well look forward to it. I appreciate you coming back on I said it had been too long. I enjoy just kind of following along with your stuff and watching videos and all that kind of thing. For folks who don't know where can they find what you're doing. They could follow me on Twitter at f Ball game Plan. 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