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Jay Gunkelman has read more than half a million brain scans — and this week host Pete Jansons handed him one he refused to read. Working through the recording, Jay's verdict wasn't a diagnosis or an interpretation. It was simpler: "This isn't real. Do it again."
That kicks off a conversation with Jay and Dr. Mari Swingle about the thing that gets lost in all the excitement over brain maps: the interpretation is only as good as the recording underneath it. From the minimum standards most people skip, to the craft of pulling usable data off a squirming 4½-year-old, to why the best AI interpretation Jay has ever seen still only earns a C-minus — this one is about what separates real EEG from "We Map Your Crap." Plus a bonus segment with Joshua Moore on QEEG phenotypes.
🎙️ Panel: Jay Gunkelman (500K+ brain scans), Dr. Mari Swingle (author, iMinds) — host Pete Jansons.
🧠 WHAT WE COVER:
🧠 0:00 — Cold open: "This isn't real"
🎙️ 0:45 — Welcome + Jay's October tuxedo / Suisun City Summit
⚾ 3:29 — The "knuckleball": Case 17 comes in
🚫 4:46 — Why this EEG can't be interpreted
🧹 5:23 — "The name of the game isn't We Map Your Crap"
📏 5:56 — Minimum standards: calibration, impedance & the med-legal trap
📉 12:52 — 32 Hz glutamate beta vs. norepinephrine beta
⏱️ 15:16 — Why a 2-minute EEG misses what matters
🧒 22:14 — The realities of recording an autistic 4½-year-old
🦆 29:07 — The rubber-ducky trick for recording kids
🎁 32:57 — Bribery, treasure chests & getting cooperation
🪡 38:02 — When EEG meant 21 needle electrodes
🏈 41:17 — Dr. Mari on baseline EEGs & contact sports
🤖 44:30 — The best AI interpretation Jay's seen? A C-minus
🧠 45:19 — Dr. Mari's case for "assisted intelligence"
🏛️ 55:14 — Did the DSM move the goalposts on EEG?
💜 1:08:55 — Support the show
📚 1:09:40 — Bonus: Joshua Moore on QEEG phenotypes
🔗 Updates & Links:
🧠 Jay Gunkelman — Suisun City Summit: https://suisuncitysummit.com
🎓 School of Neurotherapy: https://www.schoolofneurotherapy.com
🧩 Joshua Moore — Neurofeedback Care: https://neurofeedbackcare.com
🎵 Dr. Mari Swingle — SwingleSonic apps: https://swinglesonic.com
⚠️ Educational content only — not medical advice.
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