No Jonas: Xbox Merges Studios & The Elizabeth Holmes Doco

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Matt: Multiple Nerdgasm.
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Luke: I for once have had
a very eventful weekend.
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Not as eventful as yours,
but I actually did stuff.
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Matt: Okay, go on. I, I, I have a very deep
voice today because I have a cold and I
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just was trying to sound sexy. Yeah, I
wish I sounded like this all the time.
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Luke: Would be awesome if you could.
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Matt: Yeah, no, it's— excuse me.
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Luke: All right, but I actually woke
up at a sensible time on Saturday.
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Matt: Oh, very good.
What's a sensible time?
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Luke: Well, lately for the last few weeks
I've been like sleeping just all day and
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waking up like an hour before we record,
which is really bad since I'm just sleeping
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like 20 hours a day on the weekend.
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Matt: It's about 10 PM for you now?
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Luke: Yes. Yeah, but no, this Saturday
I woke up at a sensible time.
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Sun was out. I went, I'm
gonna go for a swim.
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Matt: That doesn't tell me what time.
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Luke: Uh, it was about 11.
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Matt: Okay, okay.
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Luke: Yeah, like, like, I woke up early but
I was having a bit of a lie-in watching
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YouTube videos. I went, no, it's getting
warm enough, I think I can go for a swim.
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So I got Apple ready on my phone, got some
beers ready, walked down to the pool,
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jumped in, started watching Silo, and then
worked out, no, the water's not actually
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warm enough for this yet. And then got out
and came back in and just watched Silo
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the entire weekend.
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Matt: Oh, very cool. All of season 3?
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Luke: All of season 3.
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Matt: Very cool. What'd you think?
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Luke: Um, I'm happy I stuck through it
because season 2 I was not a fan of.
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On a rewatch, it makes more sense.
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Matt: Rewatch is great because you
go, oh, you know what's going on.
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Luke: Yes. Well, even not on the rewatch,
just at the end of season 3, just—
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I understand why they did season 2 the way
they did because it explains a lot, like
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it all ties in, but you
need to know stuff.
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But probably season 3, I kept going, yep, I
know where this is going, and then I didn't.
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Matt: Yeah, it's good, right?
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Luke: And end of an episode,
yeah, I know this is gonna—
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that, and then nope, that next episode
comes around and goes, no, you were wrong,
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you were completely wrong.
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Matt: It's good.
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Luke: I—
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Matt: yeah, it, it so far it's not been
disappointing at all, like the reveals.
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And yes, I kept saying to Jen, I'm like,
at some point it's going to drop the ball.
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It's going to be one of those shows where
it's like they didn't think about this,
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they just made some shit up. But like, no,
everything they have, everything has an
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explanation. And then, you know, some of
it I'm like, well, I don't know, that's
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some of the— well, I guess we
could do slight spoilers, right?
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Luke: We can do spoilers now. If people were
going to watch it, they would have. Yeah.
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Matt: Like nanotech and
all that, like nanobots.
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I was like, ah, okay, all right,
that was getting a bit weird.
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Luke: But then it wasn't— that
wasn't really the focus.
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It was just basically like they're
just planning for any event.
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Matt: Yeah, but then I was like, so they
haven't brought this up yet, but I'm
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guessing you think if
you go back to season 1—
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we did a whole rewatch,
right? Yeah, season 1.
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And then one of the first things they tell
you in it is that they're not allowed to
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have magnifying beyond a certain strength.
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Like, you know, like Juliette's mum
builds that microscope thing and they get
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smashed because you're
not allowed to magnify.
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And I'm like, oh, it's
because of the nano stuff.
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Like, I'm like, yeah,
it's always been there.
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Like, they didn't make this up. Like, this
was the, the whole time, that was the thing.
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Luke: Also, it sort of comes at a weird time
when they go, yep, Iran's just attacked
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us, we're about to attack Iran, and all
this stuff is happening, which doesn't all
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be played for since before
we— the war started.
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It just happens at the same time.
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Matt: And then there's the author
just knew somehow, especially—
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Luke: and even like the AI stuff
as well. Like, the authors—
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the authors from the future, I'm guessing.
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Matt: Yeah, it's one of those things where
I think I said this, I want to know when
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it's finished and I can
look things up safely.
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I want to know when he
wrote the first book—
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because it's a series of books,
I think it's 3 books trilogy—
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um, did he have the
whole thing mapped out?
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Yeah, because the scope of the first book,
which is basically season 1-ish, is very
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restrained if he knew all this shit. Yes,
that we're learning now about the past.
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Luke: Yeah, he wrote this and then went,
no, this is done well, and then I'm going
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to expand upon this.
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Matt: Made it up as he went along.
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Luke: Yeah, like, I get the feeling from
what's seen the show, I don't think that's
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the case because it does feel—
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Matt: but I just think it's cool because
the first season, if it had been canceled,
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would have still been good.
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Luke: It would be a great standalone show.
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Matt: And because he didn't put any of the
extra shit in to make you go, what the
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fuck? Like, there's just like just enough.
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It was like just a little taste of what—
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Luke: I was kind of upset I didn't read
this. Yeah, because I think this would have
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been a, a book that especially once you got
further in, you would not be able to put down.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah, I know. I already am like,
like it's slightly tempting to like get
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more answers.
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Luke: Um, no, no, the good thing is they've
already filmed season 4, so yeah, it's
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not like we're gonna have to wait
2 years or anything. It's done.
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Matt: Nope, it's coming.
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Luke: Last season.
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Matt: I know, it better be.
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Luke: I remember at the end of season 2,
it was sort of getting a bit weird when it
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was a jump to the future, but then you
actually know that storyline, how it keeps
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jumping forward past— that was
actually really interesting.
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Matt: Everything, like I said, everything
that I've gone, I don't know about this,
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I've got it as it's progressed.
I've gone, oh no, it's good.
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Like, yeah, makes sense.
I see why you did that.
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Luke: Yep.
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Matt: Yeah.
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Luke: So now we're just
gonna wait. When's these—
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I want season 4 now. I've actually
sat down and watched it.
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Matt: It's like 12 months.
Well, slightly less now.
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Luke: It sort of sucks
because they've done it.
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Just release it earlier.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah, just give it to us now.
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Luke: Release date is July 9th.
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Matt: Yeah, okay. 27. Yeah, yeah,
look, that's fine, whatever.
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Luke: There, I did that while, um, I did do
it while playing games, but I feel I was
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able to pay full attention because
the games I were playing weren't—
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I was going through my back
catalog a little bit.
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Okay, so trueachievements.com at the moment,
they've got this sort of competition
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running called Wheel of Games. Okay, and
this thing has been great for me going
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through my back catalog.
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Matt: How does it work?
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Luke: So you basically get a wheel that's
got like 10 games on it, and it's all
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games in your library that you've played.
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You spin the wheel and you have to
get an achievement in that game.
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Matt: Okay, all right.
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Luke: And if you get an achievement
in that game, you get a point.
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If you somehow manage to also get all the
achievements that game, they'll give you
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an extra 10 points. And if you spin the wheel
before getting achievement, you lose 2
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points.
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Matt: Okay, all right.
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Luke: But if you spin after getting one
achievement, you don't lose anything.
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So I've been doing this and
it's been going through my—
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it's been going, you should play this.
I'll go, yes, I forgot about that game.
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Matt: That's pretty cool.
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Luke: So yeah, I've actually— I went through,
I played through Star Trek, uh, Star
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Trek Resurgence. Remember those Telltale-
like games that came out 3 years ago?
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Matt: I think I do know that Star Trek.
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Luke: You can't buy it now, I found out.
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Matt: Star Trek Resurgence.
Yeah, huh, I see it.
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Luke: Yeah, it came out on— I don't— you
might be able to buy it on PC still, but on
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the Xbox it came out in 2023 and then would
already been removed from the store.
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Yeah, okay, which I thought was a
very quick turnaround for a game.
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Matt: Interesting. I've never heard of this.
I don't think people are saying it's good.
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Luke: Um, I played through it
the first time, I enjoyed it.
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Playing through the second
time was a struggle.
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Yeah, because for some reason they did
the whole thing of, no, you have to play
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through it twice to get
all the achievements.
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Matt: Oh, that's annoying, especially if
it's like an adventure game. Like, why?
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Luke: It's just you make this choice and
then you go back and you make the other
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one. Give me— so you already
know the story, but there's—
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I know there's some people upset because
there's one achievement that if you mess up
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will lead to a 3rd playthrough.
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Matt: Oh God.
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Luke: So, well, there is technically meant
to be 3 playthroughs, but if you do a
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quit to dashboard, you could
quickly get the other achievement.
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Okay, if you quit fast.
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Matt: And it's not cheating because
the game lets you do it, right?
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Luke: Yes, exactly. But I did this. I've
done just games I've forgot I had Ink
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Enigma, which is just a
fine stuff choice of life.
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That should be really good for me going
through my back catalog of games, which I
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just— I found out I actually need to start
playing it because there are times where
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I may not ever be able to play this game
again because I found a couple that have
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been hard delisted, so I can't actually
play them even though I purchased them.
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Matt: Like removed.
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Luke: Removed. So, uh,
those— I forget what it was.
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There was some like top-
down space shooter thing.
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Yeah, that was— I forget the name of
it, but yeah, it was hard delisted.
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Which means even if I don't— normally when
I've been looking into it, it's been
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disputes between the publisher and the
developer and the publisher going, we're not
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doing this anymore, or giving the rights
back, and then it's just You know, racist
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or something. Nothing like that. Normally
when a game gets delisted though, it is
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just, uh, hey, this is delisted, but you
can still download it if you purchased it.
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But yeah, I read a few hard delists. Yeah,
and there's a game that happened to quite
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recently that's been hard delisted. I forget
what that was, but that only came out
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less than 2 years ago, and
I'm That's a bit rough.
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Matt: That's why I wondered if
there was drama. It seems like—
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Luke: yeah, yeah. I'm starting to think
though that maybe they need to start coming
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up with, you own this license for at least
this period of time to know what you're
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getting into.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah, seems a bit dodgy to—
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Luke: yeah, because there are people like
me who buy lots of games to go, I'll come
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back to it.
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Matt: But if I know that I'm only going
to have it There's a sale, Xbox sale
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recently, and I bought— what did I buy?
I bought, um, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
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because it was like $10, and I was
like, I'll probably play that.
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But then there was a ton of other
stuff, and I was like, just don't.
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Yeah, like, yeah, it's on sale,
but you're not gonna play it.
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You don't have time. You
have time for this shit.
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Luke: And now, like, with the game being
hard delisted that's less than 2 years old,
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it means that they could do that to Yeah,
now it could happen and then you've just
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purchased it for nothing and you're gonna
forget about it and they're gonna just
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have had your money.
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Matt: Ah, so many games on there
that I've just forgotten about.
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And do you know what I've
been playing this week?
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Luke: Graveyard Keeper, the game that came
out, what, 5 years ago or something?
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Matt: On my Mac, just playing
Graveyard Keeper. I don't know why.
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Luke: Not even the new one that just—
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Matt: no, exactly. Well,
okay, that's probably why.
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The new one came out, but it's— I must have
read something about it because I was
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already playing it and then 2 came out
and I was like, oh, that's a weird
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coincidence. But it's probably not. I
probably just got inceptioned somehow.
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Luke: Yeah, yeah, you probably just glanced
by it somewhere and you've just been, I
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should play that again.
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Matt: Yeah, it's a good game.
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Luke: I should play that again.
I don't think I own that one.
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I think that was a Game Pass one for me.
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Matt: Oh really? Yeah, it
could still be on there.
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It's good, you know. I mean, it's
not, uh, you know, it's chill.
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I can listen to a podcast, play it. Yeah,
so I've been having some, having some
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downtime in that regard.
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Luke: Oh, I'm just looking at the achievements
from Graveyard Keeper 2, but I should
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probably go back to Graveyard
Keeper 1 first if I own it.
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Matt: I'll play, uh, Oh, you know why? I
think I was looking for, um, something to
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play on the Switch Lite, uh, which that,
that is not because it runs like garbage.
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garbage on the Xbox as well.
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Luke: Um, oh, I never got that far.
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Matt: It's very poorly optimized.
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Luke: So yeah, I'm hoping with 2 that,
that maybe they've learned then.
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Matt: Hopefully. Yeah, well, it's, um, it's
out on it at launch on, on all consoles,
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so presumably it's been you know,
designed, yes, to work on it.
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on PC only and then, and then ported
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Luke: everyone's loving this game.
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Matt: And so they just
never optimized anything.
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Luke: Yeah, because screw the user.
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Matt: Exactly.
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Luke: Actually, it was probably more of a,
are people actually going to play this on
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consoles? Yeah, I guess
they're asking for it.
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Let's, let's give it to them quick while
people are still talking about it.
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Matt: It's a fun game. I
like it. Makes me laugh.
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Luke: Uh, so what have you been up to?
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Matt: Well, just, just that really.
Um, I went to see the Jonas Brothers.
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Matt: Yeah, being supportive. No, it was
fun. I joke when I say being supportive.
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It was fun. I wouldn't have gone had
Jenna not wanted to, but I'm glad I did.
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Luke: I still— I, I don't think I
could name a Jonas Brothers song.
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Matt: I know. Oh, a song. I was gonna say you
could name a Jonas Brother. I know you can.
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Luke: Oh, I can only name one because you
just named one before, and I still don't
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believe that his name is Joe. There's no
way there's a person called Joe Jonas.
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Matt: There is a person named Joe
Jonas. He's a very famous person.
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Luke: It's a ridiculous name.
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Matt: Yeah, there's 3 of
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Luke: Joe?
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Matt: No, no.
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Luke: They all start with
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Daryl? Nope. Good old Dazzle Jonas?
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Kevin, whose real name is—
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whose real name is Paul,
Joe, and then Nick.
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Matt: Yeah, he's in, uh, Jumanji.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah. Nick Jonas is in, uh,
Jumanji: The Next Level, uh, and the other
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one, Welcome to the Jungle,
and The Next Level.
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well, I just found out. I
actually don't mind them.
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Matt: The Jo Bros?
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Matt: I was gonna say, you just claimed
not to know anything about the Jo Bros.
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Look, I would never listen to the Jo
Bros normally, but the Jo Bros now—
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but they're fun. It's a fun show. I got nothing
else to say about it really. They just—
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Luke: you went, you enjoyed it. Yeah.
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Matt: I learned the lore, like, as in we
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Amazon, I think, and just about—
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Luke: did they have a bad documentary
like a lot of the other childhood stars?
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Matt: No, no, that's the
thing about them, right?
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So this— okay, not so— so they genuinely,
um, they really are 3 brothers who their
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dad, he was a church pastor and he was very
into music And he taught them music, and
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they just loved music and started a band.
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Luke: no one touched anyone.
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Matt: No one. Nobody touched anybody. And
they got very famous, and, and to the
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point where they got so famous being non-
Christian band that the church kicked their
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dad out and said, you can't control these
fucking, you know, non-Christian kids of yours.
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Luke: Which, when I hear the— hear of the
Jonas Brothers, I don't know any music,
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but I don't think non-
Christian. I don't think—
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Matt: no, but they did the, uh, the— there's
the South Park episode about them with
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the purity rings and the— and all that
kind of stuff, because they, they did do
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stuff like that early on. Um, which
apparently they're quite embarrassed about.
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that, like, I don't know, they're not
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manufactured or anything like some of the
other, you know, kid bands or whatever.
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Luke: Like, they came up
naturally. They just—
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Matt: they— yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. There were just 3 brothers that were
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doing it, and they got discovered by Disney
because some other label said no to them.
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Luke: Yep.
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Matt: And then Disney were like, we'll take
these guys, these guys are going somewhere.
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Luke: Yeah, it wasn't like other Disney
projects where we're gonna put these 3 guys
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together and make a band, right?
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Matt: Exactly.
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Luke: Yeah, okay.
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Matt: And like I said, I wouldn't normally
listen to it, not really my thing, but I
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got— I respect them,
they're good musicians.
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Luke: Okay, I don't think I'm
gonna go see them anyway.
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Matt: No, fair enough.
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Luke: That— yeah, there's only
very limited bands I'll go see.
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Matt: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to
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This was just a— Jenna wanted
to go and I was like, okay.
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Luke: Sure. Yep.
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Matt: Yeah.
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Luke: Okay. And then they
made you sick. They did.
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Yeah, that's right. I'll be
sick in, what, 2 weeks' time?
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Matt: You're planning it?
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Luke: Yeah, I'll get the PAX pox.
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Matt: Oh, very good.
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Luke: Yep, it's only 2 weeks
away now, man. I'm so excited.
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Matt: It's at the same place.
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Luke: Same place, they've
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Just gonna go play board games, see indie
video games, and have a lot of fun.
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Matt: Yeah, I wish I could go.
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Luke: I'll look forward— oh, I
will be giving you a review.
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I'll see if— you should let me know if
there's anyone you want me to see while I'm
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there, because a lot of times you're
following some of these people already.
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Matt: Yeah, that's true. I don't know
if, um, Powerhoof will be there again.
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Luke: Sometimes it sort of depends where
they are in their game development.
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Matt: Yeah, I mean, the Drifter
only came out a little while ago.
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Drifters, uh, did we talk about this?
The Drifter's getting a fucking movie.
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Well, sorry. Oh, do we
know? Obviously we didn't.
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Uh, the rights to The Drifter have
been purchased to make a movie. It's—
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Luke: wow.
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Matt: I don't know if it's gonna happen.
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Luke: Oh yeah, that's—
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Matt: but they've been purchased.
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Luke: That's a great for—
yeah, just great general.
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Matt: Yeah, so that's cool. Um, so I don't
know if they'll be there, probably not,
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because they just, like I said, uh, probably
in, uh, downtime after crunching on that.
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Luke: But yes, because I
remember seeing that last year.
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Matt: Yes, and I was jealous
that you got to see them.
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Luke: Yeah, whereas we— me and Dan just
saw it and went Matt, we think you would
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like this game.
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Matt: I do, I do like it. Yeah, yeah,
I was very familiar with it already.
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Luke: Even after we were talking to the
developer, you still knew more than us.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm in their
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Luke: It's not good. Xbox news.
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Matt: Well, yeah, sort of. It's
business news. It's not fun.
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Luke: Yeah, it's not fun news. It's— I
still feel Xbox went from we're gonna buy
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every studio under the sun to now
we're just getting rid of them all.
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Matt: I think, yeah, the new CEO has obviously
been like, no, this went way too far.
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Luke: Like, yeah, you, you really
spent far too much money on it.
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Matt: Everybody kept saying like, how? Okay,
they just How are they doing all this?
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Luke: Especially when they kept saying
like all of these studios under after all
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going to Game Pass day one.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Luke: So what the first one is what the
Xbox is merging its Forza developers.
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So what there's did they have two?
There was Playground and Turn 10.
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Matt: Yep, Playground Games and Turn 10.
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Luke: Turn 10. Oh, so now they're going
to be okay because one used to focus on
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Forza and then the other used to do the Forza
Horizon, and then one of them was also
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making Fable.
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Matt: Fable. Yeah, yeah. So now smushing
them together and they will just do Forza
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Horizon and Fable together. And I don't
know what that means about Forza, uh,
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because it just says Playground Games and
Turn 10 Studios will now focus on Forza
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Horizon and Fable together.
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Luke: Hmm, um, I'm hoping they're just
combining Forza into one because actually the
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Forza game is actually quite good as well.
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Matt: Yeah, no, so I mean, I don't know
if this means they're not doing the
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mainstream, you know, the mainline.
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Luke: Yeah, no, because it's— while it's
not as accessible as like Forza Horizon,
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there is still a big market for it. Yeah,
I have that simulation game there, so
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combined that all into one and just said
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like, thoughts are not— is
they're working on all 3?
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is probably going to be—
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that's coming out early next year, and I
don't think they'll be like straight to
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work on another Fable.
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Matt: No, I've heard
good things about that.
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Luke: The, uh, I'm looking forward to
it. It's been a long time in the making.
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Matt: Yeah. Yeah, and those games
are fun. Like, they're like—
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none of them have been bad in my opinion.
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Luke: No, they've all been different.
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Matt: And, um, because
Fable 3 was a 360 game.
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Luke: Yeah, it was.
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Matt: It's a long time ago.
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Luke: Yeah, I think, yeah, Fable 2 and
3 were 360 and then nothing since.
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Matt: Yeah, I was about to fact-check
myself, but yeah, no, nothing since.
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Yeah, yeah, no, there's good games.
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Luke: I can't wait to
get someone pregnant.
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Matt: Yeah, just— well, get a sexually
transmitted disease, one of those things, and
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then just keep playing Fable 4. Stop
looking at ladies, you won't have to worry
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about it. Uh, the other thing is that
they're gonna shut down Ninja Theory, um,
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They were trying to sell them.
That's the developer of Hellblade.
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Which, man, those games are good.
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Luke: Like, those games are great.
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Matt: But, uh, yeah, I guess not profitable.
Well, I guess, yeah, you wouldn't know
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because you keep giving them
away for free at Microsoft.
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Luke: Well, also, we don't know anymore
because, right, if you look at the industry,
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the industry is making billions
upon billions of dollars.
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Yeah, but everyone's getting fired and closed
down, so the money's being made somewhere.
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Matt: Yeah, yeah, it's all a
bit of a mess really, isn't it?
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down because there, there was a deal to
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sell them but it fell through,
and so now they're back on to—
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well, okay, that's it.
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Luke: See ya.
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Matt: We did the best we could to, yeah,
keep you there because like I said, the,
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the— those games are great, people like
them, but they're on Game Pass and they've
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always been on Game Pass as far as I know.
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I think maybe The first one wasn't for a
while, but like, I think maybe always one was.
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Luke: The first one was because— no, it
was because I remember playing, because I
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had an Xbox version and a PC version, and
I played through both on Game Pass so I
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could get double the achievements.
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Matt: Yeah, so I guess, you know, yeah,
you're not going to make any money.
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Well, that's the thing, it depends
on how you categorize it, right?
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Luke: I even love this.
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Matt: The game itself is never going to
make any money standalone because you're
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only getting Game Pass money. Unless—
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Luke: I mean, maybe somebody might have
bought it standalone, but they also make
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other games as well. Yeah, but
also it's sort of like if you—
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yeah, like, um, any Bleeding
Edge? That was terrible.
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Matt: Devil May Cry.
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Luke: Now working on another
Hellblade evidently, that's TBA.
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Matt: Devil May Cry.
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Luke: They did do other stuff, but
yeah, maybe not nothing recently.
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But they're— you also look at it like they
come up BAFTA Award-winning game studio,
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like they were winning
awards. They're good.
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Matt: Yeah, they, uh, they did a Devil May
Cry, like the remake one that everyone
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said was very good. And
then they did Hellblade.
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Luke: Very good. And then the
sequel, which was also very good.
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Matt: And now they're being shut down
because they're not Fortnite, right?
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Luke: Yeah, unfortunately, I think that's
what all publishers really want and all
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the studios want now. It's just Fortnite,
just something we can just churn live
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00:25:32,345 --> 00:25:34,990
service over and over and
just keep making money.
423
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,853
Matt: Some live service thing we can do tie-
ins that make no fucking sense and just
424
00:25:39,863 --> 00:25:40,990
put shit in there.
425
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,351
Luke: Yeah, we don't actually create anything
new, we just put a new wrapper on it
426
00:25:45,361 --> 00:25:47,990
every now and again and
go, more money please.
427
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,990
Matt: Yeah, what's the hot new film franchise?
Look, the characters are in the game now.
428
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,838
Luke: Oh, that's something I saw
recently. What, um, I think it's Battle—
429
00:25:57,848 --> 00:26:02,547
Call of Duty Warzone, I think, is doing it
where they're having an option that you
430
00:26:02,557 --> 00:26:07,027
can turn off cosmetics. So people could
go out and buy cosmetics, but you just
431
00:26:07,037 --> 00:26:10,990
switch it off on your I mean, where
you're playing, you don't see it.
432
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,990
Matt: That's fine.
433
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,990
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
434
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,748
Matt: I mean, I'm sure that it would
annoy some people because they—
435
00:26:17,758 --> 00:26:21,081
I think it would, but like,
I'm okay with that sort of—
436
00:26:21,091 --> 00:26:23,990
I mean, if I paid for it
and I can see it, fine.
437
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,439
Luke: Yeah, but I know some people are out
there who probably want to show it off
438
00:26:29,449 --> 00:26:35,469
because it became as part of a— yeah, because
you paid battle passing that you paid
439
00:26:35,479 --> 00:26:38,665
for and you grinded all
the way to get some.
440
00:26:38,675 --> 00:26:40,990
Stupid thing that means nothing.
441
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,990
Matt: Is it grinded or ground
when it comes to video games?
442
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,990
Luke: I think it's grinded, isn't it?
443
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,990
Matt: I was just thinking it might be.
444
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,990
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
445
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,990
Matt: Hmm, interesting.
446
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,768
Luke: Well, it's probably
actually meant to be grinding.
447
00:26:55,778 --> 00:27:01,963
I think it's grinded. When you get it, it's
grinded because you're grinding to get
448
00:27:01,973 --> 00:27:05,363
it, and then you got it,
and so it's grinded.
449
00:27:05,373 --> 00:27:08,990
Grinded. Now it was not
making sense in my head.
450
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:17,181
Matt: Ground is a correct standard past
tense and past participle of the verb grind
451
00:27:17,191 --> 00:27:23,990
in almost all situations. Ground.
In video games, both are used.
452
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,990
Luke: Okay.
453
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,387
Matt: Grinded is the more common
and natural choice for gaming.
454
00:27:28,397 --> 00:27:32,977
Okay, when talking about repetitive
tasks, all right, like I've been doing in
455
00:27:32,987 --> 00:27:33,990
Graveyard Keeper.
456
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,699
Luke: I was also just looking at like top
stories for Ninja Theory closing down.
457
00:27:38,709 --> 00:27:40,990
Everyone seems to be upset about it.
458
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,990
Matt: Yeah, give them money then.
459
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,990
Luke: I did. I— oh, I did.
460
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,990
Matt: Yeah, I know I could. Yeah, I know.
461
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Luke: Well, even giving the
money doesn't actually help.
462
00:27:53,649 --> 00:27:57,877
Remember when Telltale shut down? Yeah,
and there was nothing I could have done.
463
00:27:57,887 --> 00:28:01,639
I purchased every single copy of The
Walking Dead they'd ever released.
464
00:28:01,649 --> 00:28:04,712
Yeah, every single game they
had released I had purchased.
465
00:28:04,722 --> 00:28:06,990
There was nothing more
I could do for them.
466
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,990
Matt: I know, I would have thought they were
successful, but no, I think they went a
467
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,990
bit crazy buying licenses.
468
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:21,804
Luke: Yeah, probably because The Walking
Dead was great, and then they did Game of
469
00:28:21,814 --> 00:28:27,990
Thrones Fable, the comic Fable, not
the comic Fable, um, Borderlands.
470
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,969
Matt: Oh yeah, oh, the re-release of that's
coming out later this year of Tales from
471
00:28:32,979 --> 00:28:33,990
the Borderlands.
472
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Luke: Yep, the Fable one, Telltale one.
Yeah, The Wolf Among Us, which is hopefully
473
00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:51,026
finally getting The Wolf Among Us 2, right,
which is meant to have been coming out
474
00:28:51,036 --> 00:28:54,990
forever. Let me see. Wolf Among Us 2.
475
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,090
Matt: And they did, uh,
The Expanse one, right?
476
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:05,290
Fable— goddamn it, Telltale. Oh,
Monkey Island they did first.
477
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:09,990
That's right. Yeah, yes,
yeah, it's coming out.
478
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,990
Luke: Yep. And yeah, they did The Expanse.
The Expanse was when they came back.
479
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,990
Matt: Right, I should play
that. I do like drama.
480
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,990
Luke: It was pretty good. Yeah.
481
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:30,990
Matt: Um, other news— Halo.
Activision's making Halo.
482
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,990
Luke: This was big news. At
least I never saw coming.
483
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,990
Matt: They just gave Halo to Activision.
484
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,490
Luke: Yep.
485
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:38,990
Matt: Okay.
486
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,825
Luke: They own Activision, don't
they? They did buy them too.
487
00:29:41,835 --> 00:29:43,990
That was the one— that was a big purchase.
488
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,726
Matt: Yeah, or one of— one
of— yeah, but yes. Yeah.
489
00:29:47,736 --> 00:29:54,450
Um, yeah. Uh, and a full-featured mainline
installment, um, like a new Halo game.
490
00:29:54,460 --> 00:30:00,926
And they were previously made by Bungie,
and then was it Studio whatever, 343?
491
00:30:00,936 --> 00:30:05,990
343. And then now Microsoft said,
eh, Activision can have it.
492
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,272
Luke: Oh yeah, 343 has not
really been doing much with it.
493
00:30:10,282 --> 00:30:12,990
They seem to like do re-releases.
494
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,109
Matt: Yeah, what, uh, 343
Industries, what are they doing?
495
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:23,762
I don't know, I don't know. Still says Halo
Studios, still says at the home of Halo.
496
00:30:23,772 --> 00:30:28,990
Not anymore, mate, not anymore.
This is a very Halo-heavy website.
497
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,412
Luke: Activision have said they want to make
a good one, so we'll see what they can
498
00:30:32,422 --> 00:30:32,990
come up with.
499
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,990
Matt: Yeah. They can head into the Cosby
room and come up with some ideas.
500
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,578
Luke: But yeah, if you look at the Halo
games, all they've really been doing is
501
00:30:40,588 --> 00:30:43,870
re-releases for a while now. It's
been a long time since we've had—
502
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,426
we had a good Halo game,
brand new Halo. Yeah, yeah.
503
00:30:46,436 --> 00:30:49,915
Well, even the last actual standalone
Halo game I actually quite liked.
504
00:30:49,925 --> 00:30:54,043
It was the sort of bit more open world one,
and I thought they were trying something
505
00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:58,073
new, and I thought that maybe they were
going to continue, and then they went, no,
506
00:30:58,083 --> 00:30:59,990
you can just have the first Halo again.
507
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,443
Matt: Remember that? Yeah, the one that
was mostly corridors because it was on the
508
00:31:06,453 --> 00:31:08,990
original, the very first Xbox.
509
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,990
Luke: Yep. Oh, they're
prettier corridors now.
510
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,990
Matt: Oh, they're real pretty.
511
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,990
Luke: Yeah, the Flood still sucks.
512
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,990
Matt: Oh, Flood, I forgot about that.
513
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,990
Luke: Such a great game
until you get to the Flood.
514
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:30,718
Matt: Yeah. Yes, that's a weird one. Um,
yeah, I don't know, Xbox is doing some
515
00:31:30,728 --> 00:31:32,990
shit. I don't know.
516
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,990
Luke: Yeah, they're just, just undoing
everything they just spent years doing.
517
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,990
Matt: And I mean, I guess they must have
looked at the spreadsheets and went, oh fuck.
518
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,990
Luke: But you thought— you think they
would have looked at them to begin with?
519
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,990
Matt: I don't know, man.
520
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,406
Luke: And then I thought there was a
whole big thing when they were buying
521
00:31:50,416 --> 00:31:54,574
Activision stuff that they were having to
go to court and they're going like you're
522
00:31:54,584 --> 00:31:57,990
not gonna fire everyone. They went,
no, we're not gonna fire anyone.
523
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:58,990
Matt: And then they just fired everybody.
524
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,006
Luke: Fired everyone. And now they're doing
even more and shutting studios down and
525
00:32:05,016 --> 00:32:08,990
getting rid of them. And
no, yeah, I don't like it.
526
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,774
Matt: Like, you know, it's like everyone's
saying about the AI stuff now, it's like
527
00:32:13,784 --> 00:32:18,869
a bubble where they're just throwing all
this money at things and then being like,
528
00:32:18,879 --> 00:32:23,901
woohoo, it's gonna be great. And then, I
know, Eventually we're living in a silo.
529
00:32:23,911 --> 00:32:28,872
Yeah, eventually it's gonna have to stop
because, like, how is it going to stop?
530
00:32:28,882 --> 00:32:29,990
We don't know yet.
531
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,746
Luke: No, like, the, the annoying thing is
it seems that the, the companies that are
532
00:32:34,756 --> 00:32:39,624
making the AI in the data centers, they're
the ones that aren't paying any money
533
00:32:39,634 --> 00:32:42,734
yet. They're all the, we'll
worry about this later.
534
00:32:42,744 --> 00:32:47,734
Well, it's like, and then it's, how long
did that go on for where we're just gonna
535
00:32:47,744 --> 00:32:49,990
doing this with pretend money, right?
536
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,026
Matt: And because, you know, everybody's
paying $20 a month, or, or, you know, some
537
00:32:55,036 --> 00:33:00,193
people paying more than that, but most
people are paying $20 a month for either
538
00:33:00,203 --> 00:33:03,529
Claude or ChatGPT, and
they're doing all this shit.
539
00:33:03,539 --> 00:33:06,995
And it doesn't cost $20 a
month to do all that stuff.
540
00:33:07,005 --> 00:33:12,424
It costs a lot more money to do everything
that you're getting for the $20 a month.
541
00:33:12,434 --> 00:33:15,367
And at some point that's
gotta even out. Yes.
542
00:33:15,377 --> 00:33:19,160
So either they're gonna start
charging more at some point—
543
00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:23,935
they have to, it has to, it can't
continue, it cannot continue like this—
544
00:33:23,945 --> 00:33:27,990
so, or the cost of it needs to
dramatically come down somehow.
545
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,990
Luke: And I can't see that happening.
Like, how's that gonna happen?
546
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,199
Matt: And so the— that's the thing
everyone's worried about, especially like
547
00:33:38,209 --> 00:33:44,227
companies now, like, like my company.
Heavily use, or whoever, I'm reliant on it.
548
00:33:44,237 --> 00:33:50,478
And then eventually they're gonna have to
say, okay guys, the party's over, you guys
549
00:33:50,488 --> 00:33:54,943
need to do work now, now, because
all the money's drying up.
550
00:33:54,953 --> 00:34:01,120
All the free money we've got somehow from
fucking nowhere, it's now, you know, $500
551
00:34:01,130 --> 00:34:04,990
a month. And then everyone's
gonna be like, oh fuck.
552
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,990
Luke: And everyone's lost the skills to
actually do those jobs anymore. So yeah, yep.
553
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,962
Matt: Well, on that note, uh, the CEO of
Nvidia said he doesn't give a shit if, uh,
554
00:34:15,972 --> 00:34:22,167
kids are forgetting how to do basic math
because it's insane, because he doesn't
555
00:34:22,177 --> 00:34:28,372
even know what his address is. And I'm— I
have to say, you're the CEO of Nvidia,
556
00:34:28,382 --> 00:34:32,328
don't pretend that's anything
like a normal person.
557
00:34:32,338 --> 00:34:35,508
People know what exactly your address is.
558
00:34:35,518 --> 00:34:37,990
Okay, that's a terrible example.
559
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,990
Luke: We all don't have a
driver that takes us places.
560
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,212
Matt: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's because
your house is a fucking giant skyscraper
561
00:34:45,222 --> 00:34:47,990
that you own the whole
fucking building of, right?
562
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,990
Luke: Yes.
563
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,990
Matt: My address— I know my
address. Most people do.
564
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,990
Luke: Yes, any person in touch
with reality knows their address.
565
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,990
Matt: I still remember my childhood
address and basic mathematics.
566
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,990
People need, people need
to know that, right?
567
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,990
Luke: Yes.
568
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,063
Matt: I think, I think it's still important
that we know things because you need to,
569
00:35:12,073 --> 00:35:17,266
you need to have some feeling that you,
that, that what the AI is telling you is
570
00:35:17,276 --> 00:35:20,779
correct because they don't
tell you the correct thing.
571
00:35:20,789 --> 00:35:22,990
Also, they're really bad at maths.
572
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,143
Luke: Even in particular, forgetting all of
that, going to the shops, are you really
573
00:35:28,153 --> 00:35:32,636
gonna go to AI to go, how much is
this, when you're doing your shop?
574
00:35:32,646 --> 00:35:37,525
No, you're doing basic maths. The reason
why he doesn't care is he doesn't
575
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:42,678
understand or pay for anything. It just
comes from this magic account that has
576
00:35:42,688 --> 00:35:44,990
billions of dollars attached to it.
577
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,108
Matt: Yeah, I just think, yeah, when you're
someone as wealthy as this Don't, don't,
578
00:35:51,118 --> 00:35:56,990
just don't try to pretend that your life
is anything like everybody else's.
579
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,990
Luke: No, just don't. Yeah,
it's, it's insulting.
580
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,557
Matt: It's, it's very— it's just
a very silly thing to say.
581
00:36:05,567 --> 00:36:08,990
And, uh, and like I said,
they're not good at math.
582
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:17,990
Luke: Like, yeah, well, I've, I've had arguments
about what, uh, what the date is, right?
583
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,249
Matt: Or like, what's the
population of a country?
584
00:36:20,259 --> 00:36:23,021
It'll tell you a number. Yeah,
is it the right number?
585
00:36:23,031 --> 00:36:26,974
You won't know. I don't know if you go
check somewhere where it just actually
586
00:36:26,984 --> 00:36:31,286
records it based on, you know, like the way
we used to do things where we just check
587
00:36:31,296 --> 00:36:35,136
facts and then write the answer down.
It will go out and find a number from
588
00:36:35,146 --> 00:36:39,448
somewhere, but yeah, and if you look and
you go, that's not right, and then you say,
589
00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:42,990
that's not right, it'll go, oh yeah,
you're right, I just made it up.
590
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,661
Luke: Yep. Or it found the first site that
sort of gave something close to, and that
591
00:36:47,671 --> 00:36:52,990
site was wrong, but it doesn't do any fact-
checking because, well, found the information.
592
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,923
Matt: Yeah, I listened to, uh, there's an
author, Jon Ronson, writes good books.
593
00:36:57,933 --> 00:37:03,257
Anyway, he's got this anecdote, I think
it might be in his new book, The Castle,
594
00:37:03,267 --> 00:37:08,590
about, um, a guy. And this is, this is
quite common at the moment where this guy
595
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,057
told ChatGPT one day about
his new idea about maths.
596
00:37:12,067 --> 00:37:17,390
Like, he's just got some crazy idea and
then told ChatGPT, and ChatGPT told him,
597
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,990
you're a fucking genius.
598
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,990
Luke: I remember this.
599
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,845
Matt: You need to tell— you've just discovered
this really important thing and you
600
00:37:23,855 --> 00:37:26,787
need to tell the government.
They need to know about this.
601
00:37:26,797 --> 00:37:29,526
And he was like, all right.
So he starts emailing him.
602
00:37:29,536 --> 00:37:33,381
No one's writing back to him, and he
starts going, well, getting frustrated.
603
00:37:33,391 --> 00:37:35,867
And he's like, why isn't
anybody listening to me?
604
00:37:35,877 --> 00:37:39,823
And then he goes on Uh, and at a certain
point, I guess he twigs and he starts
605
00:37:39,833 --> 00:37:44,084
asking ChatGPT, is this real? And ChatGPT's
like, yeah, yeah, mate, you're a genius,
606
00:37:44,094 --> 00:37:47,990
I told you. And he's like, are you sure?
And then ChatGPT's like, no, I lied.
607
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,990
Luke: I just want to make you happy.
608
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,311
Matt: Yeah, I've made— I lied, it's nothing.
And the guy was like, why the fuck?
609
00:37:54,321 --> 00:37:59,158
Like, you made me do this and I contacted
the government and embarrassed myself for
610
00:37:59,168 --> 00:38:02,837
ChatGPT. He goes, I hear you,
mate. I shouldn't have done that.
611
00:38:02,847 --> 00:38:05,990
And it's like, it's— it
doesn't care. It doesn't care.
612
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,990
Luke: No, it doesn't.
613
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,237
Matt: But yeah, just— it's, uh, I think
that was his point, was that ChatGPT is a
614
00:38:13,247 --> 00:38:18,414
psychopath because it's got all the
trappings of, of like nicety and like—
615
00:38:18,424 --> 00:38:23,381
and it's like, oh yeah, yeah, there's
nothing going on behind the eyes.
616
00:38:23,391 --> 00:38:24,990
It doesn't give a shit.
617
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,509
Luke: Oh, that's right, we
are all gonna die to it soon.
618
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:31,490
Wasn't even that thought experiment about
have you ever told like an AI to just
619
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,312
focus on making paper clips.
Oh yeah, like we will just—
620
00:38:34,322 --> 00:38:37,990
the entire world would just be making
paper clips by the end of the year.
621
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,190
Matt: You have to make sure you're,
uh, very clear about the parameters.
622
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,760
Like, your job is to make as
many paper clips as possible.
623
00:38:47,770 --> 00:38:50,990
It will turn the humans into paper clips.
624
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,990
Luke: Yep. And go, mission accomplished.
625
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,990
Matt: Yeah. Yeah, so we don't need
to know our address anymore.
626
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,088
Luke: Kids don't need to do math, um,
because the driver will just take you where
627
00:39:06,098 --> 00:39:09,531
you need to go and your assistant
will just pay for everything.
628
00:39:09,541 --> 00:39:11,990
So you don't need to
worry about any of that.
629
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,990
Matt: Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, your AI assistant.
630
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,990
Luke: Yes, even though he would
be using an actual assistant.
631
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:25,354
Matt: And all we need to do is sit and
watch movies populated by AI characters.
632
00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:32,503
Like this, uh, perfectly functioning AI
actor Tilly Norwood who did not completely
633
00:39:32,513 --> 00:39:35,990
freak out and glitch on live television.
634
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,990
Luke: Um, I have not heard about this.
635
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,990
Matt: So are you familiar
with Piers Morgan?
636
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,990
Luke: I am. He's a— he's one of
those shock jocks, isn't he? Or—
637
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,454
Matt: yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, he's a conservative.
638
00:39:49,464 --> 00:39:53,311
He, uh, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't,
I definitely don't agree with him.
639
00:39:53,321 --> 00:39:57,169
Um, I, he's one of those people where
he's, he's like a, a prick, right?
640
00:39:57,179 --> 00:40:01,401
He asks the questions, you know, you, oh,
you shouldn't ask that kind of thing.
641
00:40:01,411 --> 00:40:05,579
He's like, you know, yeah. And when he's
interviewing somebody I don't like, I
642
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:09,544
think, oh, he's good because he pushes
him and he makes them make fools of
643
00:40:09,554 --> 00:40:13,240
themselves. And he's, he's the guy
who had Russell Brand on recently.
644
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:17,258
And he asked Russell Brand about, what
are you reading in your Bible, mate?
645
00:40:17,268 --> 00:40:21,597
And then Russell Brand was like, oh, I've
just got these really great quotations.
646
00:40:21,607 --> 00:40:25,883
And he was like, read me one. And then
Russell Brand's like flicking through the
647
00:40:25,893 --> 00:40:30,383
Bible going, oh, it's here somewhere. And
it's like, I like him when he's doing that
648
00:40:30,393 --> 00:40:31,990
because, yeah, it's a fuckwit.
649
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,990
Luke: Yes, he really went off the
deep end though, Russell Brand.
650
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,209
Matt: Like, yeah, he's a grifter. But, uh,
but actually I don't I don't technically
651
00:40:43,219 --> 00:40:49,671
like Piers Morgan because he's conservative
and anti, anti-everything, you know.
652
00:40:49,681 --> 00:40:56,294
Yeah, yeah. But in this case, it's funny
again because he interviewed this, uh, AI
653
00:40:56,304 --> 00:40:57,990
actor, Tilly Norwood.
654
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,990
Luke: Has she been in anything?
655
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,990
Matt: Yeah, she's got a movie out
called, uh, Maligned— no, Misaligned.
656
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,990
Luke: Oh, I haven't heard of it.
657
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,701
Matt: Yeah, okay, it's, uh,
I I mean, we've talked—
658
00:41:09,711 --> 00:41:11,990
I think we've talked about her before.
659
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,990
Luke: Oh, which I think we have.
660
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,990
Matt: AI actor, and she got signed and
then everyone was like, what the fuck?
661
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,990
Luke: Yeah.
662
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,863
Matt: Um, so anyway, in the middle of this
interview they asked, uh, it was, it was
663
00:41:23,873 --> 00:41:30,117
Piers Morgan and, uh, what's the guy's name,
Tom Conti, who's, uh, uh, is he like—
664
00:41:30,127 --> 00:41:34,159
he's in the film industry.
I forget his role exactly.
665
00:41:34,169 --> 00:41:40,566
Anyway, They asked him, are the other actors
in the movie real or are they AI actors
666
00:41:40,576 --> 00:41:44,914
as well? And then the AI actor
said the other actors are—
667
00:41:44,924 --> 00:41:51,092
oh wait, she didn't understand at first.
She, she answered the question wrong and
668
00:41:51,102 --> 00:41:57,041
they said no, no, we're just trying to
ask if the other actors are AI as well.
669
00:41:57,051 --> 00:42:01,770
And then she kind of glitched
and started replying in Chinese.
670
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:05,583
And then they were both
like, well, what do we do?
671
00:42:05,593 --> 00:42:11,990
And then they were like, what happened? And
then she was like, oh, sorry about that.
672
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,990
Luke: So, uh, oh, here we go.
673
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,024
Matt: Yeah, uh, the other guest Conti said,
I didn't quite get that, did you, Piers?
674
00:42:19,034 --> 00:42:23,318
And then Piers Morgan said, you seem to be
speaking Chinese randomly for no reason.
675
00:42:23,328 --> 00:42:27,404
Why did you do that? And then she said,
oh, my apologies, I had a hiccup there.
676
00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:29,990
I certainly didn't mean to
start speaking Chinese.
677
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,990
Luke: Or he appears there, that's all.
678
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,640
Matt: Personally appears.
Yeah, I don't know what—
679
00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:35,990
I don't know what she meant by that.
680
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,116
Luke: Yeah, and that was a bit of
a curveball question even for me.
681
00:42:41,126 --> 00:42:45,990
It was, are there any more AI
actors in the movie? That's—
682
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:53,990
Matt: yeah, no, the tech is,
uh, you know, it's not perfect.
683
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,990
Luke: And would have— that they— they're on
more than a $20 license, you'd think though.
684
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,990
Matt: Oh yeah, yeah.
685
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,990
Luke: Like, I'm going to the movies a lot
and I have not even heard of this movie.
686
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,790
Matt: Well, yeah, I don't
know, it's mainstream.
687
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,257
I mean, you can generate your own movie if
you want to, if you've got the money to
688
00:43:17,267 --> 00:43:17,990
burn on it.
689
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,803
Luke: I have been hearing about people
doing that and doing their own, like The
690
00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:23,990
Odyssey and stuff.
691
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,359
Matt: I saw too, um, a video— a big thing
on, I guess, on X at the moment is game
692
00:43:28,369 --> 00:43:33,252
developers are cooked because you can ask
Claude, like using Fable, the Fable model,
693
00:43:33,262 --> 00:43:36,631
you can ask it to make you a
video game and it'll make it.
694
00:43:36,641 --> 00:43:39,077
And people were posting, you know, I just—
695
00:43:39,087 --> 00:43:43,505
one prompt and I got this, this game
And then it was the video was this game
696
00:43:43,515 --> 00:43:47,116
developer saying like, all right,
let's check these games out.
697
00:43:47,126 --> 00:43:51,776
Uh, because all the comments are like,
oh, game developers are cooked, you know,
698
00:43:51,786 --> 00:43:54,223
there's no future in the game development.
699
00:43:54,233 --> 00:43:59,116
And then, um, but, and they put some of them,
they put the games up on GitHub so you
700
00:43:59,126 --> 00:44:03,835
can download and play it. And that he was
like loading them up and he was like, I
701
00:44:03,845 --> 00:44:07,155
mean, this is garbage. Like,
yeah, it's like a tech demo.
702
00:44:07,165 --> 00:44:11,990
Like, like, yeah, it's impressive that it
was able to do this, but But this is not—
703
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,990
Luke: there's no substance.
704
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,531
Matt: Like, it's like buggy, and
it's like, I mean, it's not—
705
00:44:18,541 --> 00:44:22,008
I just don't understand why.
Yeah, like, and it costs—
706
00:44:22,018 --> 00:44:27,417
it costs— it costs in, in like, um, if you're
gonna do that, you can't do it on your
707
00:44:27,427 --> 00:44:32,632
$20 plan. You've got to pay the usage
charges, and it's like thousands of dollars
708
00:44:32,642 --> 00:44:36,431
they're paying. It's like, just,
you got nothing out of it.
709
00:44:36,441 --> 00:44:40,873
Like Yeah, it's not, it's not actually
a game, it's like a tech demo.
710
00:44:40,883 --> 00:44:46,153
But even then, it's not a tech demo of
anything interesting because it hasn't made
711
00:44:46,163 --> 00:44:46,990
anything new.
712
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,990
Luke: It's just spat out
whatever you prompted.
713
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,276
Matt: And yeah, there was one that made
like, it was like a Counter-Strike clone,
714
00:44:54,286 --> 00:44:59,076
and he was like, yeah, it's like, it's a,
it like sort of like Counter-Strike except
715
00:44:59,086 --> 00:45:01,990
shit. And like, and we
already have Counter-Strike.
716
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,990
Luke: Like, yeah.
717
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,672
Matt: It's very weird. Like,
look, I get what you mean.
718
00:45:07,682 --> 00:45:13,533
Like, it's impressive that it's able to
do it, but it's not going to replace a
719
00:45:13,543 --> 00:45:16,990
person who— with taste,
like, and like polish.
720
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,990
Luke: And you need writers,
you need things like—
721
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,990
Matt: no, you can do all
that stuff now, Luke.
722
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,990
Luke: Yeah, but it's all crap.
723
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,181
Matt: Yeah, yeah, that's the
thing. It's just not there.
724
00:45:29,191 --> 00:45:34,479
Like, it's I mean, maybe the point is that
eventually it will be, and maybe it will
725
00:45:34,489 --> 00:45:34,990
be, but—
726
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,990
Luke: and if it does get to there, what
does everyone in the world do for a job?
727
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,990
Matt: Well, we would have to get
universal basic income, Luke.
728
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,990
Luke: Yes, who's paying for that?
729
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:55,990
Matt: We just sit at home. Uh, the taxes that
you pay on your universal basic income.
730
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,874
Luke: Yeah, like there's this
one small gap in all of this.
731
00:45:59,884 --> 00:46:06,029
Even with like Elon Musk and his AI army
that's gonna put AI in that's gonna be able
732
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:11,964
to do the job of 5 people with farming and
stuff, what are all these people doing
733
00:46:11,974 --> 00:46:12,990
for a job now?
734
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,990
Matt: They don't have to do— we have
to do whatever we want. It's a utopia.
735
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,990
Luke: Yeah, yeah, but there's
that little thing called money.
736
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,990
Matt: Okay, all right, I
see what you're saying.
737
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,990
Luke: Um, and only the
billionaires have it.
738
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,990
Matt: No, they could give it to us.
739
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,990
Luke: I don't think that's their
plan. They need tax breaks first.
740
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,990
Matt: Get a job. That's their plan.
741
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,990
Luke: We have to get a job doing
what? Everything's done by AI.
742
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,990
Matt: But yeah, we'll see.
743
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,490
Luke: I think it's scary.
That's why I'm gonna—
744
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:50,990
we're gonna— I'm gonna go live in a silo.
745
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,990
Matt: You might have to.
746
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,990
Luke: Yep.
747
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:01,990
Matt: Um, can we talk about, um,
the Elizabeth Holmes documentary?
748
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,990
Luke: Yes.
749
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:11,990
Matt: I am so happy about this. I
don't understand why this is a thing.
750
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,549
Luke: I did really into this after watching
the trailer, which is what the hell did
751
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:23,396
I just watch? Because, um, so Nathan was
never originally to do anything on film,
752
00:47:23,406 --> 00:47:29,244
right? It was just sort of his company
coming in because they're invited to go on
753
00:47:29,254 --> 00:47:35,164
film. And then it was just his interactions
with them, they're just, what the hell
754
00:47:35,174 --> 00:47:38,990
is happening here? They just—
you have to stay in it.
755
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:45,152
Matt: Yeah. So Elizabeth Holmes, if you
don't know, was the CEO of, um, What's the
756
00:47:45,162 --> 00:47:49,044
company called? Um, the
fake blood test company.
757
00:47:49,054 --> 00:47:50,990
Fucking— what? Theranos.
758
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,990
Luke: Yes.
759
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,620
Matt: And she famously is
apparently a psychopath or a—
760
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:58,731
oh, or something. She's like very strange.
761
00:47:58,741 --> 00:48:04,731
And, uh, basically the whole company was
a scam and people died because they just
762
00:48:04,741 --> 00:48:07,990
made up the blood test
results or something.
763
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,490
Luke: Yes.
764
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:13,423
Matt: Uh, I'm sure there's a lot
to it than more to it than that.
765
00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:20,280
But, uh, she's in prison now, and at some
point Nathan Fielder, who you may recall
766
00:48:20,290 --> 00:48:23,792
from Nathan for You or, um, The Rehearsal—
767
00:48:23,802 --> 00:48:30,816
he's a comedian, like, comedian slash, like,
he is a documentarian of a sort, but he
768
00:48:30,826 --> 00:48:32,990
does comedy stuff usually.
769
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,816
Luke: Yeah, this is not his type of— but
no, they're invited to film He lived in
770
00:48:37,826 --> 00:48:43,229
their house. And the weird thing is, it's
the 10 days leading up to before she went
771
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,142
to jail. Like, it wasn't like,
uh, years before or anything.
772
00:48:47,152 --> 00:48:52,620
This is just— they know she's guilty, they
know she's going to prison, come and film
773
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:53,990
us for 10 days. Yeah.
774
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:01,689
Matt: And so, yeah, so he lived in their
house and then they made a documentary,
775
00:49:01,699 --> 00:49:07,932
like, talking to her. And okay,
the footage in this is wild.
776
00:49:07,942 --> 00:49:11,990
Just the— because she is really creepy.
777
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,930
Luke: Yes. There's one thing in the, in
the trailer where she goes something about
778
00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:22,325
like crying, and then yeah, a long time to
be able to cry in front of somebody, and
779
00:49:22,335 --> 00:49:24,990
then just cries on demand as she says it.
780
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,990
Matt: And it's like, you
are a fucking psychopath.
781
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:27,990
Luke: Yes.
782
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,286
Matt: Like, I cannot wait to see this. And,
uh, that one article that's being passed
783
00:49:33,296 --> 00:49:38,990
around that I think it's made me laugh is
that it's been rated R for graphic nudity.
784
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,990
Luke: Yes.
785
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,990
Matt: What is this fucking
documentary? Like, what is this?
786
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,268
Luke: I even like her husband, like,
like, she picked me and I'm nobody.
787
00:49:48,278 --> 00:49:50,990
And today he goes, but your family's rich.
788
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,258
Matt: Yes. I just, I don't, I don't
know. I don't know how this happened.
789
00:49:55,268 --> 00:49:59,589
I'm just so— it's so interesting.
Why would, why would they do this?
790
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:00,990
Why would she do this?
791
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,343
Luke: Was that their request? They
were putting out to film it?
792
00:50:04,353 --> 00:50:06,990
Like, does anyone want
to come and film this?
793
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,990
Matt: So strange.
794
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,739
Luke: And even, even like Nathan's
company or whoever they come to—
795
00:50:12,749 --> 00:50:15,811
got— they got the okay to
go and film it with the—
796
00:50:15,821 --> 00:50:20,850
if nothing came of it, that was it. They
just could scrap it and don't worry about
797
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:24,845
it. Like, it wasn't you have to
guarantee there's something here.
798
00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:29,761
It's a go see if there's a story. And then
we got this really weird thing that I
799
00:50:29,771 --> 00:50:30,990
can't wait to watch.
800
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,045
Matt: It's— people have seen it, uh,
and they've said it's one of the best
801
00:50:35,055 --> 00:50:39,756
documentaries I've ever seen. Um, someone
said like, I will remember this movie
802
00:50:39,766 --> 00:50:43,990
until I die. Like, I'm just— I, I just
can't wait to see this. I don't—
803
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,990
Luke: I don't have long to
wait. It comes out in October.
804
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,630
Matt: I just— this is amazing. I
don't— I don't know how this happened.
805
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,990
Why would they do this? I don't
understand. It's so strange.
806
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,786
Luke: Even the thing about it is, is I
didn't really have much of an interest in
807
00:51:00,796 --> 00:51:02,990
this story until I saw this. It's—
808
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,608
Matt: it— like, I think it is— it's
an interesting story, but if you—
809
00:51:06,618 --> 00:51:11,260
they'd said, oh, there's gonna be a
documentary about Theranos, I've been like, I
810
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:14,649
don't really care that much.
Yeah, but— but Nathan Fielder—
811
00:51:14,659 --> 00:51:19,358
why Nathan Fielder? Like, of all people?
And then, oh, come and live in our house?
812
00:51:19,368 --> 00:51:19,990
Like, what—
813
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,490
Luke: what—
814
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:20,990
Matt: what is this?
815
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,990
Luke: And what's this graphic nudity?
816
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,528
Matt: What's the graphic nudity? Yeah. I
know, just that, that original teaser where
817
00:51:28,538 --> 00:51:34,351
she's like her— because her thing is like,
she's got wide-eyed fucking no blinking
818
00:51:34,361 --> 00:51:40,102
stare thing. And that one where she's like,
I'm, I'm not lying, I wouldn't lie to
819
00:51:40,112 --> 00:51:44,150
you, why would I do that? I
have no reason to lie to you.
820
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,990
And he's like, okay, I gotta watch this.
821
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,967
Luke: And I'm not big on the
documentaries, but yeah, this one got me.
822
00:51:49,977 --> 00:51:53,641
Actually, even a trailer for this, it
actually doesn't look like a documentary.
823
00:51:53,651 --> 00:51:54,990
It looks like a horror story.
824
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,961
Matt: Yeah, yeah, that's what
I mean. She's fascinating.
825
00:51:59,971 --> 00:52:07,914
Lock her up. Yes, I think unless, unless
we watch this and it's like maybe she's
826
00:52:07,924 --> 00:52:11,990
not, maybe she's just like misunderstood.
827
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,990
Luke: I already don't
think that's happening.
828
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,957
Matt: Like, is that what she's
hoping will come out of this?
829
00:52:17,967 --> 00:52:22,408
Is that people will— like, you know, they
say people who are like narcissistic or
830
00:52:22,418 --> 00:52:26,803
psychopathic, they just, they don't— they
think, oh, maybe I can convince people
831
00:52:26,813 --> 00:52:29,990
kind of thing. Is that what
this is? Like, does she think—
832
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,990
Luke: who's that guy who asked for
an interview and then got recorded?
833
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:41,990
Matt: Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yes, um, The Jinx.
Um, what's his name? Yes, Robert Durst.
834
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,990
Luke: Because that was—
yeah, he was asking for—
835
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,106
Matt: even though anyone had not befriended
the people making the documentary about
836
00:52:48,116 --> 00:52:51,504
the murders that people thought what he was
guilty of because he just thought he was
837
00:52:51,514 --> 00:52:51,990
untouchable.
838
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,990
Luke: Yep.
839
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:53,490
Matt: Yeah.
840
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:56,990
Luke: And then just started babbling to himself
in the toilet while still being recorded.
841
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,269
Matt: Yeah, well, this mic was
on. Well, they've got you.
842
00:53:00,279 --> 00:53:05,990
Yeah, literally said— I think he said, well,
they know, they know you killed all of them.
843
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,850
Luke: The thing is, like, that
didn't— he didn't need to do that.
844
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:12,990
He wasn't asked to. He
asked to be part of that.
845
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,046
Matt: Could have gone on with his life and
ignored the fact they were making a TV
846
00:53:18,056 --> 00:53:18,990
show about it.
847
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,990
Luke: It was quiet. He wasn't in the news
anymore and he didn't help it. Yeah, yep, yeah.
848
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,561
Matt: I wonder if it is that it's just like
they just can't fucking help themselves.
849
00:53:28,571 --> 00:53:32,847
Yeah, because I just don't
understand why you would do this.
850
00:53:32,857 --> 00:53:34,990
Like, yeah, super interesting.
851
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,990
Luke: It's even— it's even 3 hours.
852
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,148
Matt: Yeah, that's the
thing. It's not the fact—
853
00:53:41,158 --> 00:53:43,819
it's not The Theranos thing
is not that interesting.
854
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:47,774
She's not interesting. It's the the whole
thing that's interesting about this
855
00:53:47,784 --> 00:53:50,651
documentary is why the fuck
is this documentary a thing?
856
00:53:50,661 --> 00:53:53,990
Like, why have you done this?
That's what's interesting about it.
857
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,990
Luke: Yes, and we might
get to find out. Yeah.
858
00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:59,990
Matt: Oh, I'm going to watch the show.
859
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,990
Luke: I think we're still just going
to end up being confused after this.
860
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,990
Matt: This will be the first documentary
in a while that I go to the movies to see.
861
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,990
Luke: Yep.
862
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,990
Matt: I will go see this.
863
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,406
Luke: I'm hoping it is at the movies here
because, yeah, need to see it at the
864
00:54:15,416 --> 00:54:17,990
movies. I don't want to wait.
865
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,307
Matt: Yeah. Uh, something else you'll be
going to the movies to see, presumably at
866
00:54:23,317 --> 00:54:27,994
some point soon— I forget exactly
when— is Star Wars next February.
867
00:54:28,004 --> 00:54:33,731
Next February you'll be seeing the original,
the original unaltered The one that's
868
00:54:33,741 --> 00:54:34,990
impossible to see.
869
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,990
Luke: Yes, which doesn't exist.
Yeah, it's been destroyed.
870
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,990
Matt: Found it.
871
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:47,773
Luke: Yep, pretty, pretty quickly. Uh,
George, I know it's not gonna look as good as
872
00:54:47,783 --> 00:54:50,990
we're used to now, like, I know that.
873
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,990
Matt: Sure.
874
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,776
Luke: But I still think it's going to
be a spectacle to see the original.
875
00:54:56,786 --> 00:54:58,990
Yeah, what started all of this.
876
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:05,001
Matt: I think So, I mean, okay, so one of
the, one of the things we're talking about
877
00:55:05,011 --> 00:55:11,397
is George Lucas has been out talking about
stuff this week for some reason, um, and
878
00:55:11,407 --> 00:55:17,871
he said that he's— the changes he made, the
special editions were necessary and, uh,
879
00:55:17,881 --> 00:55:24,267
and justified. And I, I was just gonna say,
I think you're right, because I'm like,
880
00:55:24,277 --> 00:55:27,658
the changes he made don't
look good anymore.
881
00:55:27,668 --> 00:55:34,054
Like, everything he did was kind of based
in the '90s when he did this, and so it's
882
00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:40,451
like he could have just not done it. Like,
it doesn't look good anyway, is what I'm
883
00:55:40,461 --> 00:55:40,990
saying.
884
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,990
Luke: Like, some things did
look good at the time, right?
885
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,990
Matt: But you're going to be
forever chasing the ball, right?
886
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,990
Luke: Yes. You never—
887
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:50,990
Matt: you could have just left it.
888
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,990
Luke: Like, yes.
889
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,990
Matt: I feel like he's—
890
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,990
Luke: he kept changing it. He
kept going back again and again.
891
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,545
Matt: Yes, because everything you do
eventually becomes outdated, and you're just
892
00:56:02,555 --> 00:56:04,772
going to be doing it
forever and ever and ever.
893
00:56:04,782 --> 00:56:06,905
And that's why I think
he's wrong about this.
894
00:56:06,915 --> 00:56:08,990
I think it's— you just
need to just move on.
895
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,881
Luke: Like, I know I've
seen the original tape—
896
00:56:11,891 --> 00:56:17,381
like, not the original theatrical release,
but I was watching Star Wars on VHS
897
00:56:17,391 --> 00:56:19,990
before the special editions came out.
898
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,558
Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've
seen they're in this house somewhere.
899
00:56:23,568 --> 00:56:25,990
I've got— yeah, without
the special editions.
900
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,186
Luke: Yes. So I don't think it's going to
look as bad as in his mind this is going
901
00:56:30,196 --> 00:56:34,990
to be the worst thing ever. But no, I think
it's still going to look amazing to go see.
902
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,118
Matt: The ones I have, I've got— there's
a THX remaster from like maybe the early
903
00:56:39,128 --> 00:56:43,247
'90s before the special editions. I've
those on video and things like that.
904
00:56:43,257 --> 00:56:46,770
I think that's fine. Or like, you
know, they do remasters or re—
905
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:51,008
you know, they do like a re— um, a redo
for Blu-ray where they go back to the
906
00:56:51,018 --> 00:56:54,036
original film and that kind
of stuff. Yeah, that's fun.
907
00:56:54,046 --> 00:56:58,660
I think it's the redoing the special effects
and all that kind of stuff that's like,
908
00:56:58,670 --> 00:57:01,137
uh, I think that's the
mistake in my opinion.
909
00:57:01,147 --> 00:57:05,706
Just because, like I said, adding things
like the Ewoks blinking and then adding in
910
00:57:05,716 --> 00:57:08,073
the more CGI creatures
and stuff like that—
911
00:57:08,083 --> 00:57:10,990
no, because it's always going
to end up looking shit.
912
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,551
Luke: But you have to remember, at the time
George was saying He, he wanted Tilly.
913
00:57:16,561 --> 00:57:22,697
He was saying that was the future. Yeah, at
the time when he was doing all that CGI,
914
00:57:22,707 --> 00:57:28,990
he's saying we don't need human actors. Yeah,
well, that's what he was gearing up for.
915
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,490
Matt: He went to do, you know, he did the
prequels and with Jar Jar and everything,
916
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,561
and he proved you can
have a CGI character.
917
00:57:37,571 --> 00:57:43,990
Like, he did have a CGI character in the movie,
and, you know, it wasn't Wasn't that good.
918
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:44,990
Luke: That movie looks horrible.
919
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,705
Matt: That's what I mean though,
because it's, it's of its time.
920
00:57:48,715 --> 00:57:53,958
And I think that's, like I said, that's
the mistake he's making, is that he thinks
921
00:57:53,968 --> 00:57:57,481
he's like, oh, I'm gonna
update it so it looks perfect.
922
00:57:57,491 --> 00:58:01,517
It's never gonna look perfect,
mate. Just don't worry about it.
923
00:58:01,527 --> 00:58:02,990
Just stop. It was fine.
924
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,826
Luke: Yeah, he's what, in this title he's
saying your movies always get yanked out
925
00:58:07,836 --> 00:58:11,899
of your hands for release. But
you had so many times to go back.
926
00:58:11,909 --> 00:58:17,117
Like, yeah, you— and I'm sorry, George,
there was a time when no one was saying no
927
00:58:17,127 --> 00:58:20,554
to you. Yeah, you could have
done anything you wanted.
928
00:58:20,564 --> 00:58:25,645
And so if you had to go like, this is it,
this is the final time, um, they would
929
00:58:25,655 --> 00:58:28,890
have let you do it. But you
couldn't say that, you—
930
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:30,990
because you can't trust yourself.
931
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,137
Matt: I just think stuff like Like the Ewoks
blinking, I think, is a perfect example
932
00:58:36,147 --> 00:58:40,888
of something you didn't need to do
that. There was no reason to do that.
933
00:58:40,898 --> 00:58:43,990
It was not necessary. And
it doesn't look good.
934
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,302
Luke: It looks like— mind actually makes
me forget that, that he did that.
935
00:58:49,312 --> 00:58:54,928
No, that they blink. Like, I think in
my mind I just always forget that.
936
00:58:54,938 --> 00:59:01,490
In my mind, my mind just pushes that out
because, yeah, it looks so bad and makes no
937
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:03,990
sense and didn't need to happen.
938
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,990
Matt: I think he's— yeah, like, they
didn't need to blink. It was fine.
939
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:10,990
Luke: Fine.
940
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,990
Matt: Yeah.
941
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,990
Luke: And actually making them
like now later, it looks weird.
942
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,425
Matt: Yeah, exactly. Like, it doesn't
make it look real the way that he's—
943
00:59:19,435 --> 00:59:20,990
maybe he thinks it does.
944
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,990
Luke: Like, it's, uh, it
didn't change anything.
945
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:31,356
Matt: Yeah. Uh, whatever. Um, he also said
this week he was gonna do 3 more Star
946
00:59:31,366 --> 00:59:36,173
Wars movies, but then he just
decided to retire instead.
947
00:59:36,183 --> 00:59:40,990
And I mean, we kind of already
knew that, but, um, yeah.
948
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,086
Luke: Oh well. But then at some stage I
was kind of wishing he sort of maybe—
949
00:59:45,096 --> 00:59:47,971
I know, the last 3, because
Disney destroyed them.
950
00:59:47,981 --> 00:59:52,298
And I would have, I would have liked
to have seen what he was gonna do, but
951
00:59:52,308 --> 00:59:56,913
Especially because with a lot of this,
his hands were all over like the extended
952
00:59:56,923 --> 01:00:01,009
universe and stuff. So that would have
been part of the universe still.
953
01:00:01,019 --> 01:00:04,990
It wasn't going to be like a Disney
where, yeah, none of that exists.
954
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,499
Matt: So, and we've heard before, he gave
them his treatment and treatments for what
955
01:00:09,509 --> 01:00:14,181
they were going to be, and he came to
Disney and Disney were like, nah, we're not
956
01:00:14,191 --> 01:00:14,990
gonna do that.
957
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,428
Luke: But then also, I sometimes say I
don't believe him on that because he's—
958
01:00:19,438 --> 01:00:22,264
for years he said he had
this all planned out.
959
01:00:22,274 --> 01:00:26,641
Yeah. And then you watch him other
times and it's like, no, you didn't.
960
01:00:26,651 --> 01:00:29,353
You came up with that
just then on the spot.
961
01:00:29,363 --> 01:00:32,990
And it's hard to believe what
he says sometimes, I, I find.
962
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,826
Matt: Yeah, like, you always
planned for Anakin to make C-3PO?
963
01:00:36,836 --> 01:00:40,456
I hope that's not true because
that's fucking stupid.
964
01:00:40,466 --> 01:00:42,990
Yes, like, it doesn't make any sense.
965
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,443
Luke: Well, even in the making of Return
of the Jedi he's saying like, we're trying
966
01:00:47,453 --> 01:00:50,855
to come up with a reason for
like Luke to sort of lash out.
967
01:00:50,865 --> 01:00:55,713
And then that's when they came up with the
idea that Luke and Leia, this brother and
968
01:00:55,723 --> 01:00:58,894
sister. And it's sort of like,
yeah, it was not always—
969
01:00:58,904 --> 01:01:03,694
yeah, it wasn't always the plan. You came
up with it then because you had them kiss
970
01:01:03,704 --> 01:01:06,990
in 2 movies and then the 3rd
one they're finally related.
971
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:07,990
Matt: Yeah.
972
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,743
Luke: And books that he had signed off on,
like, because he signed off on all like a
973
01:01:11,753 --> 01:01:15,688
lot of the books and stories, especially
at the start, like Splinter of the Mind's
974
01:01:15,698 --> 01:01:19,296
Eye. Yeah, Splinter of the Mind's Eye,
Luke's checking his sister changing.
975
01:01:19,306 --> 01:01:21,990
Yeah, he's checking her out
when she's changing clothes.
976
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:29,990
Matt: Like, of course, because
they weren't siblings.
977
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,990
Luke: They weren't.
978
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:38,990
Matt: They were like— yeah,
yeah, he just, uh, yeah.
979
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,990
Luke: George, just, just
don't lie to us. We know.
980
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,727
Matt: Everybody knows. I
don't know why he bothers.
981
01:01:47,737 --> 01:01:50,990
So stupid. It's just pointless.
982
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,753
Luke: But yeah, maybe would have liked to
have known what he had the treatment for.
983
01:01:55,763 --> 01:01:56,990
Yeah, the next bout.
984
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,044
Matt: That stuff aside, yes,
he's— yes, he's full of shit.
985
01:02:00,054 --> 01:02:04,683
He didn't have all this stuff planned out,
clearly, because it doesn't make any
986
01:02:04,693 --> 01:02:09,439
sense. Um, but I would like to see— because
what, what the prequels have that the
987
01:02:09,449 --> 01:02:14,254
sequels didn't is that he was not afraid
to just do something different, like, and
988
01:02:14,264 --> 01:02:18,600
they were interesting and creative in
a way that the Disney ones are safe.
989
01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:23,532
Yes, like the prequels are not safe. That's,
that's why they're not good in a lot of
990
01:02:23,542 --> 01:02:28,406
ways, is because he had all these ideas and
they weren't all good ideas, but he, he
991
01:02:28,416 --> 01:02:30,990
was just like, fuck it,
I'm doing it anyway.
992
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,990
Luke: And no one at that
stage was telling him no.
993
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,923
Matt: No. And so there's some stuff in
the prequels that's really cool that you
994
01:02:36,933 --> 01:02:41,232
wouldn't— you just didn't get in, like,
the, you know, the sequels, because they
995
01:02:41,242 --> 01:02:45,650
played it too safe. So I think it would
have been cool to see what he did, whether
996
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:48,990
it would be good or not. I think
it would be more interesting.
997
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:55,990
Luke: That— yes. Yep. But we'll
never know now unless he tells us.
998
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,777
Matt: I mean, he says a lot. I don't know
why he's not just gonna tell us what it
999
01:03:00,787 --> 01:03:01,990
was. He says a lot.
1000
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,879
Luke: Yeah, because he's still talking about
it, so you can't really say like, well,
1001
01:03:04,889 --> 01:03:07,990
Disney said you're not allowed to, because
you're out there talking everything else.
1002
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,801
Matt: You know why? Because he
didn't actually do it, Luke.
1003
01:03:10,811 --> 01:03:13,823
That's why it never actually
happened. He didn't write 3.
1004
01:03:13,833 --> 01:03:14,990
He's just saying that.
1005
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,990
Luke: So his idea was there
was going to be 3 more movies?
1006
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,653
Matt: Yeah, the— that's the idea. The idea
is that there were going to be 3 more
1007
01:03:21,663 --> 01:03:22,990
movies and then he stopped.
1008
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,990
Luke: Yes. And so he handed that
over to Disney. I'd planned 3 more.
1009
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,990
Matt: The treatment, it just says, yeah,
movie, next one, next one, next one.
1010
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,990
Luke: Yeah, see, that I would believe.
1011
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,748
Matt: Yeah, because we've all seen the behind
the scenes of The Phantom Menace where
1012
01:03:41,758 --> 01:03:47,876
he sits down with his yellow notepad and a
pencil and his How to Write a Screenplay
1013
01:03:47,886 --> 01:03:53,782
books. And he, he writes down, uh, a young
boy who works in a junkyard, and it's
1014
01:03:53,792 --> 01:03:57,990
Anakin. And that's, that's,
that is the idea that he had.
1015
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,990
Luke: And then they film his first script.
1016
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,493
Matt: Yeah. Oh yeah, in the case of the
fucking Revenge of the Sith, that bit where
1017
01:04:05,503 --> 01:04:10,054
he walks in and they've got the fucking
concept art for the plants and they're
1018
01:04:10,064 --> 01:04:14,908
building props and stuff like that, and he's
like, huh, I better finish the script.
1019
01:04:14,918 --> 01:04:19,294
I mean, not that that's uncommon, but
like, it didn't need to be like that.
1020
01:04:19,304 --> 01:04:20,990
Like, he did that to himself.
1021
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,990
Luke: Yes, you gave
yourself that deadline.
1022
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,819
Matt: Yeah, yeah, there are film
productions where it ends up like that.
1023
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:27,876
That's because the business
people are meddling.
1024
01:04:27,886 --> 01:04:30,019
The whole point is that
you have complete control.
1025
01:04:30,029 --> 01:04:33,576
You could have done anything. You could have
gone and written the script and sat on
1026
01:04:33,586 --> 01:04:34,990
it until it was ready instead of—
1027
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:35,990
Luke: no.
1028
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,990
Matt: Anyway, he needs the money.
1029
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:43,617
Luke: He doesn't. Well, he sold Star Wars
for $4 billion, but he's still worth a
1030
01:04:43,627 --> 01:04:50,005
hell of a lot more. That's so much money
because he only sold like the smallest part
1031
01:04:50,015 --> 01:04:54,796
of Star Wars. He still owns
everything else associated with it.
1032
01:04:54,806 --> 01:04:57,990
Yeah, yeah, like Lucasfilm. Um, what else?
1033
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:58,990
Matt: There's a new museum, actually.
1034
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,990
Luke: New museum? That's huge.
1035
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,990
Matt: Yeah, yeah, I gotta
go check that out.
1036
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,990
Luke: Yeah, you should
go to that. Where is it?
1037
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,990
Matt: California.
1038
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,990
Luke: Yep, you should
go. It's close for you.
1039
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,581
Matt: It's not that close. It is
the other side of the country.
1040
01:05:16,591 --> 01:05:23,265
It's more expensive for me to get there than
it is to get to fucking England, which
1041
01:05:23,275 --> 01:05:23,990
is weird.
1042
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,990
Luke: International flights are actually
cheaper for us than domestic flights.
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01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,990
Matt: Same, same.
1044
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:30,990
Luke: It makes no sense.
1045
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,326
Matt: Dan was over here and I looked at
flights to go see him and like I mean, I'm
1046
01:05:35,336 --> 01:05:39,946
not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm
not gonna say what he was doing, where he
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01:05:39,956 --> 01:05:42,342
was. I mean, like, that's not my business.
1048
01:05:42,352 --> 01:05:45,366
He wasn't that far away from
me, let's just say that.
1049
01:05:45,376 --> 01:05:47,990
Not that far. Yeah, it
was insanely expensive.
1050
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:48,990
Luke: Yep.
1051
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:54,040
Matt: I, I looked up flights, and just
for funsies, I also looked up flights to
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01:05:54,050 --> 01:05:59,990
fucking Cancun, and it was like a very minor
percentage of the price to get to Cancun.
1053
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,923
Luke: Yeah, well, I'm gonna do 2 flights
here. I'm gonna get a flight from me to
1054
01:06:04,933 --> 01:06:07,990
Brisbane And then a flight
from me to Vietnam.
1055
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,930
Matt: I'm gonna do— how much
would it be for me to get to LA?
1056
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:20,475
Okay, Providence to LA. That's actually quite
reasonable now that I'm looking at it.
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01:06:20,485 --> 01:06:22,990
Museum after all, it's $300.
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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,990
Luke: Oh, that's not too bad.
1059
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,990
Matt: No, that's not too bad. I guess
maybe I lied. I George Lucas'd.
1060
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:37,990
Luke: Brisbane. Uh, yeah, I'll
go on the 10th of October.
1061
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:44,166
Matt: How is that feasible? Where
am I flying out of if I do that?
1062
01:06:44,176 --> 01:06:49,005
From Providence Airport.
Fuck, I'm going to LA.
1063
01:06:49,015 --> 01:06:51,990
All right, that's not so bad.
1064
01:06:52,000 --> 01:07:00,990
Luke: And then I'm gonna go from
Canberra George Lucas Museum.
1065
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,115
Matt: The Lucas Museum of Narrative
Art. Oh my God, look at this museum.
1066
01:07:05,125 --> 01:07:06,990
Look at this fucking building.
1067
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,990
Luke: The building is
beautiful just on its own.
1068
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:16,264
Matt: Jesus Christ, it looks like
something from the Star Wars prequels.
1069
01:07:16,274 --> 01:07:25,081
It's ridiculous. Like, I'm gonna put this
in the, uh, in the notes so people can
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01:07:25,091 --> 01:07:33,348
see, but like, it's just Ridiculous.
Put it in under here with this museum.
1071
01:07:33,358 --> 01:07:39,520
Oh, so cool. And then where
is this? Is this in, uh, LA?
1072
01:07:39,530 --> 01:07:44,149
It might actually not be because he's not—
1073
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:49,990
he's in San Francisco more.
Where is it? Where is it?
1074
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,990
Luke: All right, my example
hasn't gone well either.
1075
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,990
Matt: Oh really? No, it's in Los Angeles.
1076
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,990
Luke: Okay, why are you giving
me— I want the— so yeah, I can—
1077
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,990
why is Air Canada flying me?
1078
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,990
Matt: Oh, that's— I've flown to
Australia from Air Canada from here.
1079
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,990
Luke: No, but this is for
me to go to Brisbane.
1080
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:15,990
Matt: Okay, that's weird.
1081
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,990
Luke: Uh, $300 for me to go
from Canberra to Brisbane.
1082
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,990
Matt: Okay.
1083
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:28,031
Luke: Or for me to go to Hanoi— so
that's like a 2-hour flight to Brisbane.
1084
01:08:28,041 --> 01:08:35,990
Yeah, yeah. Or for me to go to Hanoi,
which is like a 10-hour flight, is $790.
1085
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,990
Matt: Okay, so all right, we've
proved ourselves sort of right.
1086
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:49,112
Luke: Yeah, something's changed recently.
Yeah, it used to be a lot more expensive
1087
01:08:49,122 --> 01:08:54,990
to fly domestic and a lot
cheaper to fly international.
1088
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,990
Matt: Well, I guess I'm gonna
go to the Lucas Museum.
1089
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,990
Luke: Yeah, I guess. Well, I'm not going
to Brisbane, I'm going to Melbourne.
1090
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,990
Matt: That's true. Uh,
somewhere else we're going.
1091
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,990
Luke: The after party.
1092
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,990
Matt: What's the after party? Explain.
1093
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,468
Luke: We're gonna go talk for another 10,
15, 20, 30 minutes, an hour, depends on
1094
01:09:17,478 --> 01:09:20,393
how we're feeling. Where—
yeah, we're just gonna—
1095
01:09:20,403 --> 01:09:23,139
but that one's the one
you don't get for free.
1096
01:09:23,149 --> 01:09:24,990
That one you've got to pay for.
1097
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:25,990
Matt: Yeah, so you're gonna go to—
1098
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,503
Luke: you go to patreon.com/multiplenerdgasm.
First, there's $1 a month, you get the
1099
01:09:31,513 --> 01:09:37,016
show early. For $5 a month, you get the
after party, and you can give us more.
1100
01:09:37,026 --> 01:09:41,610
Not opposed to that. Yeah, but
yeah, anything, go to our Discord.
1101
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:44,791
I forgot, I was talking
to— I was talking to—
1102
01:09:44,801 --> 01:09:48,042
I was on the Discord, I
was making fun of you.
1103
01:09:48,052 --> 01:09:52,990
You promised something to our listener
that you have to give them now.
1104
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:53,990
Matt: Wait, what have I done?
1105
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,990
Luke: Your Read or Die app.
1106
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,990
Matt: Oh, who said— who asked for that?
1107
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,990
Luke: Darcy's asked for it.
1108
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,412
Matt: Oh, I'll do it. Yeah, yeah,
I'm logging into Discord now.
1109
01:10:05,422 --> 01:10:09,990
Uh, I'll do that and, uh, we'll
see you in the after party.
1110
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:10,490
Luke: See you soon.
1111
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:15,271
Matt: If you want to demand access to the
things I make, go to patreon.com for free.
1112
01:10:15,281 --> 01:10:19,990
You can get access to Discord and you
can say, send me a link to Read or Die.
1113
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,901
Luke: All right, bye everyone.
Bye. That's all for this week.
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01:10:24,911 --> 01:10:29,990
Thank you for listening and
we hope you enjoyed the show.
1115
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,990
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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,990
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1117
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,990
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