Pilates Evolution with Troy McCarty

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Welcome to Moving Conversations, a podcast for movement professionals, by
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fitness and movement. Now let's jump into Moving Conversations and
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welcome back to Moving Conversations. I'm Brian Richiejunim as always
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is Norse Saint John. Morning Nora.
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How you doing very well? Brian? Is a sunny day
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here right after the palstice in California. It's going to
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start to get darker soon but hasn't yet, so it's
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very sunny and beautiful and just fantastic. I understand you
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were just in Chicago and Cleveland, where our guests, our
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mystery guest is from.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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For those of you who are watching on YouTube, you'll
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see that we do have a mystery guest. We'll be
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introducing him in just a second inviting him in the studio.
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But yeah, we decided at the end of school year,
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for a combination of my wife's birthday, Father's Day, end
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of school, we decided to take a road trip. Okay,
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my first road trip. I come from an island. I
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come from a tiny island called o' wahoo. You can
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go around the whole thing in three hours, maybe three
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and a half driving from DC to Chicago, two days
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of six hours of driving and through the hills of Pennsylvania.
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Oh my gosh, that was I'm not gonna say agony,
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but it was. It was a long time to be
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behind the wheel and around huge semi trailers and things
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that I was like, Okay, yeah, I can see that
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there's a romanticism about it. However, I don't see it.
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And I'm very willing to say that I've crossed that
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off my list. I don't need to do it again.
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I really am. Yeah, but I will say this, maybe
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we can talk about this, and we'll talk about this
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in another episode. I want to tell people about the
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Pokemon exhibit at the Field Museum. I know he was like,
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wait a minute, what is he talking about. They did
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the Fossils of Pokemon and they did them basically the
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same as they would for the dinosaurs and things. It's phenomenal.
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It's phenomenal. I'll be sharing some things on Instagram and
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I'll post it up there. It is so neat and
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coming from an anatomy standpoint and looking at the pelvic
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structure in the hip joint and looking at all these things,
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it's phenomenal. It was really kind of neat the way
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that my kids.
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Don't absolutely absolutely well before we bring I let before
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turn it over to Nora.
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So, speaking of Cleveland, we have a guest here Troy McCarthy.
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So if any of you don't know Troy, Troy's been
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educator for Bounced Body for a long time. He's been
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teaching pilates I think even longer than I have. And
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one of the reason you wanted Tom on is because
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Troy has studied with many of the elders and has
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a a real rich understanding of we're calling it the
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history and the evolution of pilates over many really over
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a long time, and he's got a really nice perspective
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on all of that, and it's again an amazing, amazing educator.
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If any of you haven't ever followed him on Instagram.
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He had just a whole wonderful assortment of little Vignette's
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little teaching tips that were just incredible, especially during the pandemic.
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You just kept all of us going for a long
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period of time there. So anyway, welcome Troy McCarty.
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Thank you, Nora, thank you, Brian. It's so nice to
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join your podcast with you.
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So tell me, tell us a little bit about tell
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us your history. So give us the shorter of the
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long version.
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Sure well, I started plats when I was a ballet
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dance sir.
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I was at school American Ballet. I got injured and
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I thought that was going to be the end of me.
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But the lady goes, now, there's some guy that does
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something with spring on the upper East Side. I don't
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know anything about it. We're gonna send you over there.
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So I grabbed my little dance bag, I had my
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leg warmers on. This is during the period of fame. Yeah,
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I even did PK turns around the fountain at Lincoln
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Center on my way up to the side, and I'm
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knocked on the door, and sure enough it was a
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lot and Bruce King. Now Bruce King was one of
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those original teachers that we don't hear so much about
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because Bruce died pretty early on with the HIV pandemic
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crisis that you know, took many of our great artists
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away from us in New York City. But anyways, I
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got to study from Bruce, and Bruce was really really
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well known for.
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Breaking the exercises down for a beginner. I don't know
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if this is.
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An urban legend or you know, you might get some
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you know, some call back on this, but somebody once
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told me that Actually Clara asked Bruce first if he
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wanted to take over the studio, and h Bruce said,
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I still have a dance career. I'm very active in
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the dance community. I don't have time in my life
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for this. So yeah, he didn't, so it went to Romana.
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I don't know how true that is, because I've only
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heard that from one person. Usually, when you get to
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study from elders, if you hear it from two of them,
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you can pretty much bet that Joe said that. If
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you hear it from one, you're like, I don't.
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Know, I've heard the same story from from Eve Gentry. Yeah, right,
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And I think it was like Bruce because Bruce is
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close and then Eve, but Eve was in New Mexico
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by that point, so she was like, no, I've you know,
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I've got my own life going on. I mean, from
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all all, from all the elders that I've heard, Romana
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was not the first choice, right that there was other
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people that first.
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Yeah, just so you know, Yeah, so that's good, so
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that it's a source there that you know, that story
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hasn't changed too much, so wonderful.
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Yeah. So Bruce was very good with me.
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He really took my injury, which was lower back and
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hip from lifting a very h a ballerina that was
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not size appropriate for me to lift, and I was
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so amazed that I couldn't get her up in here.
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I looked up at her and then it all went
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south and crash boom. Yeah, I pretty much wrenched my back,
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did some damage to the hip, and he rehabbed me. Unfortunately,
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you know, I got to study from Bruce for a
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good two years. Bruce started getting very ill. We're talking
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a period when you know, like didn't have health insurance
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and stuff like that, so it was very sad. So
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he I went over to Romana and studied from Romana
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and it was like a contrast.
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Because Bruce was so much into like breaking.
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Things down and and really getting to the essence of
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that exercise, you know. And I felt like when I
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went to Romana, Romana really knew the spirit of Joe
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Ploates and it was like, you know, you were hearing
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you know, maybe Joe say things through through Romana. So
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it was very interesting. It was a very interesting contrast
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both both teachers. I learned in an immense amount of
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knowledge from.
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So one of the things that strikes me about that
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is again I haven't say with Bruce. I said Romana
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and Eve and Corolla and you know, and a few
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more modern versions too, and that that breaking down piece.
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When I studied with Romana, she was very like, we
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don't break things down. She always just joys said, that's
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for the back room, like all the breakdown stuff that's
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in the back room. We're just going to do pilates.
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Uh and and she really that was that was at
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least that was the impression I got it from her
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at that point.
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This was many years ago.
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So that's interesting because I know Eve did a lot
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of breakdown, a lot of breakdown. Kathy Grant did a
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lot of breakdown, you know, trying to get people up
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to the level of skill to be able to do
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the work appropriately.
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Yeah.
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I think was what was so interesting about Bruce that
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he just really understood the essence of each exercise. Yeah,
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and he was he was able to get into that
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raw material, that knowledge that exercise was going to put
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into your body, and he could break it down to
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a point both in his language skills and his movement
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skills that my body could understand.
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So you know that that really worked for me.
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That's you know, for me that that's the essence of
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the teaching that we all do. Brian as well, Brian
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has both the ploties background and personal training background. But
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you know, the best teachers can figure out where they're
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trying to get to in terms of a movement skill,
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and then how do I build up the pieces to
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that movement skill, right, whether it's mobility or strength or stability,
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like what are they trying to do and then find
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a way to get there. It sounds like Bruce was
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really a master at that.
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Yeah, Bruce could could help you go inside your body
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and that was that was a big thing for me.
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What am I feeling inside? You know, I come from
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a movement background. So you know, I know how to
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move my arms, I know how to move my legs
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connected to my core, but I want to understand more
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what should I be feeling inside? And I think that's
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where Bruce really really was stellar and his teaching approach
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really getting me.
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I think you kind of like you, yeah, sorry interrupt.
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I think that is so important from a teaching perspective,
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whether it just comes from dance, pilates, any type of movement,
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you really have to understand the reason for the movement,
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the why, and you really need to understand what's going
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on within the body and the importance of how to
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verbalize it, how to get that person to understand it
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at the same depth that you do, even if they're
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a beginner, so that they may not have the same depth,
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but they still have the essence that they can still
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get you to move the way that you need to.
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I've seen choreographers who you would look at them walk
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and you're thinking, how are they a choreographer? And then
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they start dancing. You're thinking, oh, now I know why,
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Oh my gosh, they were the most beautiful movers and
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they understand they have an essence in their body they
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have something, and to be able to verbalize that and
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to do it easily and quickly to someone that is
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a skill, and that is a gift.
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I think, yeah, exactly.
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I think as approaching the method from a dancer, my
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body was hungry for knowledge, yeah, and hungry for a
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movement that was gonna structure and organize me more. So,
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you know, he was able to take that and really
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put it into my body. And therefore, you know, years later,
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I can you know, I teach the little bit like
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Bruce now, so I'm able to do the same thing
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with my own students. So it was a very very
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very incredible, valuable experience that I learned from.
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It having watched you teach a lot, Troy, because I've
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set in on workshops with you, and I think one
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time we had to co teach something because somebody was
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down or something. I would say, the focus that you
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give to each body is what I find remarkable. Like
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your presence, your awareness, your ability to just like take
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in the entire body and what's happening and then to
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give that one correction that makes all the difference was
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what I really have always admired about your teaching. It's
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just it's focused, it's incredibly present, it's incredibly whole bodied
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and very efficient. And it sounds like you learned some
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of that anyway from Bruce King that those are the
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seeds that were planted in you about how to help
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a body figure out what to do and do it better. Right.
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So Bruce really instilled in me that this.
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Is a whole body workout, working from the top of
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the head down to the toes, and your whole body
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is working to achieve this, you know, whatever we're doing,
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if it's short box, long box, whatever. So he was
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able to really help me see that whole body, get
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that whole image, you know, moving into my body. So
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and you know, and coming from a ballet background where
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I was a ballet master for a company for a while,
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you know, be able to able to just give one
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correction to a dancer that's going to make the difference
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in so I was able to take that from my
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dance career and brand into.
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The plates you know, studio. So yeah, exactly.
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One of the things I've I've thought a lot as
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I have grown up in this world is so many
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of our of our teachers come from a very, very
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very rich movement background. Right, you Gentry, certainly Bruce King,
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Ramondo to some extent. You know, all of them. We're
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intense dancers, many of them for their whole lives, before
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and during their Parti's career. And there's something about just
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watching that many people move and trying to help them
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move better that you know, creates that efficiency. Like for
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you being a ballet master, this is the one thing
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you need to work on, but shift your weight over here,
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right or whatever? It is that one little cue that
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is like, oh now I get it, you know, And
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and I understand the body enough, not in a broken
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down and natty way, but in a whole body. How
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does it integrate way to be able to give that
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one cue is just as remarkable.
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you know, you approach, you know that alignment of the body.
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You're constantly scanning that alignment.
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It's like you know, a canvas and.
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It's got lines and you can just really line everything
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up to see that you know, impurity of that alignment
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and it.
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You know, it's like you know, it becomes an eyeshord.
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Me I get fixated on one thing, like I can't
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get off of it.
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But as I get older, I've learned how to control that.
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You know.
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That, you know that that part of me there, So yes, exactly.
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You must have a fun time going through you know,
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like a supermarket or walking down the park, right, because
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I'm like, at this point, I can't I can't not
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see the weirdness that's happening around me. And sometimes it's
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like what is that? You know, and you're trying not
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to look horrified, but you're horrified what is happening over there?
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It's airports for me, but.
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I'm sitting waiting on a flight and I'm purely bored.
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I don't want to be there.
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I start looking at people's movement and I'm like, if
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that person came to me, I charge him double. You know,
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how did that person ever like walk from their car
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to the airport without you know, like majorly injuring themselves
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or somebody else. Yeah, And I start shaking my head
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and my husband's floy stop it.
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That's not so Yeah, Yeah, Joe.
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Judgment is pouring out of you in those moments, right,
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like just it's just happening, Like I can't help myself,
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this is not happening. This is not attractive.
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Yeah, you know what, I think we go through that.
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It's funny.
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Absolutely, you know.
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I wonder if our elders went through that with students too.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I think so.
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You know, we will see that one video of Joe
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teaching the one guy was pushing on the head. I
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first thing, I don't think he's pushing that hard because
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we have to step back in time of that video
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because the cameras were not that good.
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It's like you have now.
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But I love that video because it shows to me
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that even Joe struggled with some of his students. You know, yes,
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getting that guy to go where Joe wanted him to
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go was a struggle. And I think as teachers, you know,
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we all have those, you know, special clients and students
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that we have a little bit of a struggle with.
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So I mean, I'm not going to push on there.
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I would like to, but I'm not going to raise
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my hand on a client, you or a student.
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Yeah, I wanted to ask you something. I'm going to
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tie in with this. In the age of I do
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a number of people through zoom or FaceTime, however you
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want to put it through online and sometimes I find
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finding that one HU can be challenging because some of
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us already have clients who are body dyslexic. They really
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don't know they're right from their left, they're up from
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their downy, they're so they don't know what they're doing.
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And to be able to do it when we're not
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present and we can't put our hands on them, when
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we can't touch them, we can't cueue them physically, we
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have to do it purely through our voice. It can
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be so much more challenging, and it's so important to
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be able to find that one que to make the
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biggest difference, and sometimes knowing when to just back off
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and say, well, we're not doing that one today, or Okay,
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this is about as good as we're going to get.
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It's good enough for today, we'll work on it in
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the future. Have you found that in the age of
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online it's become a little more challenging.
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Yes, And I find that a teaching online has definitely.
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Helped me with my visual skills, really really.
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Happening to like, you know, see the person and like
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making them stop. It's like can you repeat that right there?
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You know during zoom I'm a tactow guy. I love
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to use my hands. You know, these are probably the
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most important tools we have as plottys teachers. But you know,
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during the pandemic, I was like, you know, they're talking
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that we can't touch anybody.
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Help. My whole career is changing in front of my eyes.
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So like, yeah, so I started really kind of developing
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that you know, that visual uh with with the students,
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you know, and I teach that in my courses.
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You know, what are we looking at? What? What exactly
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are you looking at? Are you scanning the body?
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You know?
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Are you too busy worrying about how many springs or whatever?
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You know?
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So, yes, the visual is very important, and doing online
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is definitely can be a challenging you know atmosphere to
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do it and exactly, yeah, very challenging that way. Yeah,
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I always wonder, like, what what do you think the
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elders would think of us doing plots?
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I'm zoom, Yeah, I mean, so a couple of thoughts
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because I have thought about this actually a fair bit,
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thinking about their different personalities.
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I mean, Joe, I think I would do you think
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he would be happy about the incredible popularity of pilates, right, now,
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I mean, that was kind of his dream, but I'm
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not sure he would picture it being quite such a
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kaleidoscopic variety that I doubt that's what he had in mind,
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you know. And then I also think about all the
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others that I worked with were so precise and detail oriented,
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and by the time I met them, they were all
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in their sixties or seventies or eighties for that matter,
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and so they're all a little bit like, this is
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what to do, Like they did not have They're just
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this is how it is. They're not going to make
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you feel good necessarily, They're just going to tell you
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what it is. So I think many of them would
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be horrified, honestly, because they also most of them taught
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privates or small groups, you know, they really they didn't
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teach classes. They didn't teach twenty reformers in a room
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and everybody doing the same thing. So, I don't know,
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it's a different world. It's a much less intimate, much
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less personal world, you know.
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In some of right, Yeah, I think I think you know,
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you're you're You're absolutely right, Nora. I think Joe would
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like that this has really evolved all around the world,
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you know, plats is really popular right now, But I
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don't know if he would be so into everything that we're.
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Seeing that's going on.
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Horrified.
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Yeah, And I don't want to be the plots police,
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because we have plenty of those on Instagram and I
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a few times, you know, yeah, you know.
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But you know, I like the variety that I see.
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I love the creativity I see, but some of the
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you know, the other things that I'm seeing, I'm like,
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you know, that's pretty dangerous.
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You know.
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I hope you're not teaching that to your students or
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your clients, you know.
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So, Yeah, there was a few years ago I was
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teaching in Boston and at a pot and I was
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teaching in the anatomy in three dimensions, and there was
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someone in the class who was very classically trained and
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was almost refusing to wrap their brain around movement in
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any way. That wasn't the original repertoire anything that I
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would bring up about movement. It was well, that's not
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what Joe said, that's not what Joe said. And finally
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I just said, Okay, when did he pass away? When
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did he stop evolving as a human being? If he
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were to live now, with all the new technologies that
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we have. Don't you think he would have taken in
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a lot of that and created things that we may
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never have just because his brain was working at a
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level that obviously for what we he's created on a
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wavelength that no one else had before. So I look
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at it from that standpoint and say, if he was here,
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would he take to things like zoom or whatnot? Would
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he take to all of this and really acclimate and
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even evolved into being so much more? I don't know,
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but I like to think that he had that mind
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that was more wanting to expand rather than you know,
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be so rigid in the end. And I could be
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completely wrong, but that's how I.
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Think you're right on track, because you know, if we
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look at Joe and his inventions, there's a lot of gadgets. Yeah,
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you know, we got the foot corrector, we got the
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toe separator, we got the pedopol We've.
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Got all these.
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We got the what is that the breathelmeter or yeah.
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The weightings like he waited, yeah.
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Yeah, so the shoes, the weighted shoes, yeah exactly.
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So I you know, the man was into gadgets.
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So I think, like, you know, having this technology, I
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think that he would have totally embraced and and really, yeah,
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let's do it, you know, let's go for this. And yeah,
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but but again I think, like, you know, like what
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Nora says, become a kaleidoscope. We're seeing so many different
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different things that like sometimes somewhere off Joe's rolling around
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in his grape going, I never meant it to be
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that way, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure. I think I think
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we're all kind of sure that there's a there's moments
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of what the heck. I mean, how many people do
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you know now who say, oh, yeah, I've done pilates
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and you're kind of like and then you you know,
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they come into your studio and they show you what
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they do and it's like, has no bearing whatsoever to
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anything you would recognize as pilates. And you've been exposed
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to a good bit of the world for a really
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long time, you know, it's like, Okay, well that's interesting
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that that's called pilates. But let's just let's just get
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you moving in the right way and we're going to
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go We're going to go over here and do this.
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So you're talking about about Bruce King, which I think
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is great, and then I know Ramana was another stream
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right through a stream for you. What was that? What
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was that about?
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Like?
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How do things change when you were started working with her?
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What was that?
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That difference in teaching.
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Romana was truly understood the spirit of Joe.
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Do you like explain that?
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I think like like she would give quotes that Joe
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used to say, and she would talk about Uncle Joe,
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you know a lot, and so tell stories about Joe.
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And in some of the moments, you know, I can
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remember her saying, you know, Joe wanted it done this way,
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you know, whereas Bruce, you know, said I learned this
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from Joe. But I you know, I want to break
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this down for you so that you really understand this.
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So I think it was two different types of teachers,
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you know, happening here.
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And you know Romana. You know, at the time that
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I studied.
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From Romana, you know, it was a Drago's it was
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a very is he plays. Platus is now starting to
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get you know, a little bit more known, you know,
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and a lot of people are coming in to Dragos
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to find out about this method, to learn it with
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their own bodies. So Romana, you know, was teaching the
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Dragos and platus Is is now really getting really really popular,
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a lot of people are coming in. So I think
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Romana was very very worried, you know, that there was
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going to be injuries. So it was a different a
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different type of instruction going on, you know, and she
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had her daughter helping out and things like that. So, yes, exactly,
503
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so it was it was quite different. Bruce was really.
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One on one Romana. You know.
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Sometimes I was in the class, you know, but she was.
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She was really a lovely person. I really learned a
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lot from Romana and I'm you know, I'm very very
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very you know.
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Happy that I got that experience in my life. So, yeah,
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and you'll start teaching what I started. I started teaching
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in nineteen eighty five. I opened up my first studio.
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Okay, yeah, and uh, Romana used to say, I remember
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her saying this, you know, if you become a teacher
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and if you injure somebody, I'll hear about it and
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I'll come and visit you. And I was like always like,
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I can't enter anybody. I don't want Romana coming up
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to my door. I was a little bit, you know,
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I was a little.
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Afraid of Romana at times.
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You know.
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Oh yeah, yeah, so you could be tough. So yeah,
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so yeah.
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So what inspired you to start teaching?
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00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.599
I was like, either going to stay in the dance
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00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.880
world and become you know, full time ballet masterwork and
526
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:58.480
as you know, it's not the most glorious job. Dancers
527
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will blame their everything on the ballet master.
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I tried to, you know, it was not what I wanted.
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I thought they were all my friends.
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You know, until you had to tell her what to do, right,
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and then yeah.
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The table turned and they were like not nice to me.
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So I was like, yeah, I don't think I want
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to do this. You know, I have all this training
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and plots.
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I was teaching a little bit on this side, so
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I went full blown into plots. Dennis now Hot from
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the Cleveland Ballet gives me a call and says, hey,
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you know, bring bring it down here. You know you
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can do you can teach, you know in the school,
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you know, and things like that, and he goes, bring
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that stuff you do with springs, we don't have it
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in Cliven, Ohio again.
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So that's how I arrived here.
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So I was like, you know, one of those first
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studios in the Midwest nineteen eighty five and.
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You know, seriously in their first studios anywhere.
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Actually yeah, you know you know, uh, Vogue magazine did
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an article about the top ten studios.
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Yeah, and I had made that that article, and boom
551
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if Susan made that article. That next Friday came.
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The lawsuit letter from a person I don't want.
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I don't want to say the person's name. Came the
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lawsuit letter.
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And I was so in sense that I got this
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letter that I wrote on the letter, no effing way,
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And I said that registered.
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Mail to him.
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Nice.
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Not my smartest move in my life, because it put
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me on the radar.
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You know, I'd be put in the firing line right exactly.
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So, yeah, he was kind. I used to get it.
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00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.880
I used to get a letter every Friday morning, registered mail.
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I got seven of them.
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Yeah, that's no fun. No, it was.
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It was time to because you know, you're teaching this
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new method. Everybody's there's a buzz about it. Everybody wants
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to get into it. Madonna's doing it, She's spreading the word.
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You know. I would get phone calls I want to
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do this exercise that Madonna does. I hear you have it,
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you know, and then all of a sudden, you know,
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you have this letter saying you know you can't use
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that word. If you use that word, we will take
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you on, you know, in court. And then to use
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that word, you've got to retrain, you've got to pay us,
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and blah blah.
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It was like it was. It was a bad situation.
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It was our dark period of the plates world so well.
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And it had to be because I mean, every every
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studio that I know, with very few exceptions, had had
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no There was no deep pocket there, right. I mean,
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we're all out there being pioneers in a field that
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nobody knew about, nobody cared about. There was not a
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lot of financial reward, and we're trying to make it happen.
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I mean I was at Saint Francis, so we had
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a little bit of a legal background behind us. But
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most of the students, like yours or Debra Lessons or
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you know the ones in LA you got nothing and
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00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.799
suddenly somebody's threatening you with a lawsuit which could cost
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you who knows, I'm told amounts of money that you
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don't have, right.
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Yeah, litigation is expensive, so you know, and and I
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was very worried about that, and I was trying to
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figure out ways to get around.
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This situation, and I was upset. I was like, yeez,
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you know, this guy's really after me. And and now,
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in hindsight, I'm like whatever. You know, it made me
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more of a teacher because it made me teach stronger,
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because it's just like, listen, if I can't use the
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word plot east and then I'm going to have to
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really develop my teaching more and we're gonna have to
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you know, say tru McCarty or whatever, you.
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Know, right right.
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That's the thing I was just thinking, is how shortsighted
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someone can be to want to get these few studios
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out there there to pay them money instead of let's
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grow this brand, to really establish something so much bigger
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than New York City, so much bigger than just the
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United States. And now, I mean we've all been all
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around the world. It is gigantic. And just think how
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short sighted that was way back then, to oh, I
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want to be paid just so you can use the name.
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00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.759
That's that seems ridiculous. To me.
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00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.559
Yeah, I found a lot of that.
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It was a little bit on the ego driven side,
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and it was it was hard that, you know, to
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see you know, I can understand why roman I wanted
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to get involved because she was probably tired of working
620
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on an hourly wage, you know, at the studios, and
621
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she wanted to try to make some passive income.
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00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.240
I get it.
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You know, passive income is a wonderful thing for all
624
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.359
of us, you know, but it was just the way
625
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.599
it was, and then, you know, it was it was
626
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.279
really hard, and it was a scary time, you know,
627
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for all of us.
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00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.160
So yeah, and it was a moment when honestly, the
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method could have died, you know it really there was.
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I mean I remember at the first meeting of the
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00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.960
whatever it's called Plotti's Institute in Santa Fe, there was
632
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like one hundred and fifty of us basically. That was
633
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.960
pretty much it. Most the people that were involved in
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any serious way in the industry. That was it. So,
635
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you know, and that was right before the lawsuit, and
636
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.200
the lawsuit could have could have killed it. Yeah, it
637
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:36.839
could have. It could have been like that was the
638
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:41.119
end of that and smash, the whole thing was gone
639
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because based on the future from there, Ramana and the
640
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.599
classical people were not capable of really bringing it out
641
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.559
in a way that would make it what it is today.
642
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.000
You know, the classical world was so insular and so
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specific and so kind of whatever they want that that
644
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I think if it had been everybody else had left
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and they were the only ones left in the promoting
646
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.639
the method, I don't know where it would have gone.
647
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.360
I don't think it would have been able to grow
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like it did.
649
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:16.199
Yeah, that's the thought exactly right now, and that God,
650
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.239
you know things turned the way it did, and that
651
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.719
you know, we can all teach this wonderful method that
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00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.719
this man left for us to teach, you know, and daily,
653
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.719
like every time I'm teaching, you know, I think I
654
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.159
learned something more about it, you know, a deep you know,
655
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.960
deep dive in the jackknife or deep dive into you know, you.
656
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:38.960
Know, short box.
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00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.760
And it's like, oh yeah, why didn't I think of
658
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.599
that twenty years ago? And I think as teachers we
659
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.280
mature a lot. I definitely have a different style than
660
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when I first started, you know, and I'm very selective about,
661
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.760
you know, my cues that I give somebody.
662
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.079
When when I first started, it was thousand Q sessions. Man,
663
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.800
I was throwing those babies out there the scene. What
664
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would stick?
665
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:06.880
You know?
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And I can't remember this one lady goes Troy.
667
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.960
I loved your class. All thirty thousand ques really worked
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for me. She's like the exhausted. I'm hoarse because I've
669
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done nothing like you know, so, you know, nerves and
670
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.159
anxiety of you know, like you know, when we're one
671
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more young to how are you Norah?
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When you first started.
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Teaching, you know, I was just thinking about that. It's
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a shotgun approach because you don't really know what's gonna work.
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You just keep throwing stuff out there, hoping, like like
676
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.960
throwing spaghettian in the wall, what's gonna stick? Yeah?
677
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Right.
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00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.920
And it's funny because I remember I studied a lot
679
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early on with Alan Herdman. He was a real influence
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at Saint Francis and and then I went into this
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00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.000
whole you know, very kind of scientific phase and.
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00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:57.480
Anatimi and blah blah blah.
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And then I came back to take a class with
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with Alan at a at a p m A and man,
685
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.599
the efficiency, the clarity. He didn't say a lot, but
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everything he said landed tall and said everything it needed
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to say. And it was like and and and that's
688
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.239
kind of that's that was actually my I didn't realize
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00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.679
that he was my model when I first was teaching,
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you know, worching out, we're learning under him. I didn't
691
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realize how much of that had absorbed until I saw
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that and went, oh, that's what I've been aspiring to
693
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all this time. Yeah, you know, and with the like
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of all the fanciness and just say the.
695
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Thing and with the British accident, it just sounds so
696
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.480
much more, so much better.
697
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.440
Yeah, it's just so much more meaningful.
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Yeah, it's just like, you know, like I'm turned on
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00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.280
Masterpiece Theater and I'm gonna really really watch this to
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00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.920
understand this. How do you feel how do you feel
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00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.000
your your teaching is evolved through the years.
702
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.039
I was one, so yeah, so yeah, this is interesting
703
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.800
because my my way is more just pure movement. So
704
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.719
I do it through whatever tool is in front of me.
705
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.280
So I'm not traditionally pilates based. I do a lot
706
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.719
more fitness, but I bring in pieces from everywhere because
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00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.360
to me, it's whatever tool is going to work for
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00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.239
the client in front of me for what I need
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to get them to do. And my queueing has become
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very specific and very focused over the years. I think
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at the beginning, like you said, I think I was
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much more tactile at the beginning that I would just
713
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.000
put people in the right position, that it'd be like,
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00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.280
just do this and just sort of move them because
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if you can feel it, you can do it sort
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of thing. And as I've gotten a little older, I
717
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think I've understood, Okay, you need to make sure that
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00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.559
the verbalization is there, the tactile Q is there. Everything
719
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.679
is there to get the client to do whatever they need.
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00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.280
Because we all learn differently, So whichever client is in
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front of me, I want to make sure, Okay, are
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00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.480
they kinesthetic, are they auditory? However they're learning, do they
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00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.159
have to watch me first? Whatever it is, I can
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00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.880
you know, Q in on that person and say, okay,
725
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.239
they need this. I had a client today who needed
726
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.280
to see me do an exercise I could I realized
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00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.800
at that moment, okay, she's so visual, so I immediately
728
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:15.920
jumped down showed.
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00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:16.000
It to her.
730
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Oh okay, she did it perfectly, but I was trying
731
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.880
to get her to do it auditorially and it was not.
732
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.599
It was not working. So it's like, oh okay, boom here,
733
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.119
look you got it, and she was able to do it.
734
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.519
So I think I've learned more about that as I've
735
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.000
gotten older and my evolution. I haven't been in the
736
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.119
industry quite as long as you have, but not that
737
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.519
far off. I think Nora and I started around the
738
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:43.480
same time, in the very early nineties. So yeah, and
739
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.440
I think the older I get, the more, like you said,
740
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.800
we're focusing on different things. We're learning every day. We're
741
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.320
always re relearning things and thinking why didn't I learn
742
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.559
that before? Why didn't I think of that?
743
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.199
Yeah, I've been doing the.
744
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.119
Same thing though for how long? And I didn't think
745
00:38:58.159 --> 00:38:58.880
of it like that.
746
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.159
So I think as we mature with our teaching, we
747
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.440
begin to look at the body in front of us,
748
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.480
and we're starting to think more about their nervous system,
749
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:17.440
their emotions, absolutely, what background do they come from, what's
750
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.360
going on in life that might be affecting this. Okay,
751
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.639
at the age when I started, I didn't.
752
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.199
Think of any of those things. It was like, how
753
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.320
much fads? What's the movement?
754
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:28.159
You know?
755
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.079
You got to sit down on that reformer, right, you know,
756
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.679
it was like, you know, there was nothing.
757
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.119
It was just like you pump your arms and your breathe.
758
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.199
What's so hard about this?
759
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:37.679
You know?
760
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.400
And then yeah, and then you know, as I started
761
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.920
maturing and getting older and more secure with my own teaching,
762
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.119
it's like, you know, there's a whole nervous system.
763
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.519
Thing going on with this methodad.
764
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.400
You know, there's some emotional content going on, and you know,
765
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.079
and that's why, like, you know, like working as an educator,
766
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.480
I tell these young teachers, you know, you really got
767
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.760
to discover the body that's in front of you.
768
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:01.320
You've got to.
769
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.400
You've got to really look and look past the movement,
770
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.440
look inside that body, look inside that mind, and it's
771
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.320
going to give you a lot of answers.
772
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.719
So yeah, exactly.
773
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.800
Yeah. One of the things I uh thinking about that evolution.
774
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:24.039
There's there's certainly seeing the person, the whole person behind
775
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.840
the movement and recognizing, you know, learning to adjust your
776
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.039
teaching style as Brian was talking about, to that body
777
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:32.960
in front of you, just so that they can hear you,
778
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:34.440
because you know, you say the same thing to three
779
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.760
different people and one hears you and the other two
780
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.079
are like, what are you talking about? So there's that piece,
781
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.039
But there's also in terms of I've spent so much
782
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.880
I've spent so much time doing rehab, so mostly I've
783
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.400
been problem solving, like for most of my career and
784
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.440
then teaching teachers, but problem solving has really been part
785
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.079
of it, and so much of that. I want to
786
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.880
tie this back to what you said earlier, which is
787
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.079
how exercises just keep opening up, right, Like you think
788
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:03.880
you got this, you've done it, You've taught this twenty
789
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.000
seven thousand times, and then one day you're teaching it
790
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.079
and going, ah, there's a whole other piece of this.
791
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.559
Like this is gonna sound This may sound stupid to
792
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.559
many of you, but I remember with short spine. Okay,
793
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.400
short spine is a basic plates exercise, right, And for
794
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.360
the longest time I was really focused on the front
795
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.239
of the body. Yeah, right, this should all be done
796
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.280
from the front of the body because Plates a sort
797
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.840
of focused that way in a lot of ways. And
798
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.199
I was like, oh no, this is a back body exercise.
799
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.159
Like if you can't lift up yourself up from the
800
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.119
back and get that length of the whole back body,
801
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.039
you can't actually hold that position up at the top
802
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.639
and then you'll go through the whole thing. And that
803
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.599
was a moment many years ago, but that was a
804
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.880
moment of like, oh, all the things I wasn't getting
805
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.960
or hadn't gotten yet, you know, until i'd really explored
806
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.960
it and taught it a whole bunch.
807
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.360
Yeah, And I think some of it too, with what
808
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.760
we're seeing now, is that a lot of.
809
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:02.159
These new teachers really do not know the so these exercises.
810
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.880
They're young, they don't know what they're after yet. And
811
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.440
I think it's educators, it's it's up to us so
812
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.639
we preserve this method because you know, lately, I've.
813
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.039
Been feeling for count losing control.
814
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.199
Here method, and I think it's up to us as
815
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.880
educators to really drive you know that that into their
816
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.760
heads and into their bodies. So this carries on and
817
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.239
we can keep you know, some resemblance to you know,
818
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.760
the original method. And I think, you know, Joe really
819
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.239
wanted us all to experience.
820
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.320
A couple of weeks ago. I just wanted to touch
821
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.599
on that. Yeah, a few weeks ago we talked, uh,
822
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:48.119
Nora and I talked about influences versus educators, and I
823
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.760
kind of want to get your opinion on this because
824
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:56.000
as we've gotten further along in the evolution of pilates
825
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.599
and the evolution of movement and fitness and everything else,
826
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.280
that this sort of comes into what I'm finding is
827
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.760
the younger trainers, the younger pilates instructors, the younger movement
828
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.960
professionals are trying to do too much too soon. They're
829
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.039
trying to be the top of the food you know,
830
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.760
the top of the food chain within their first year
831
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.920
before they know anything. Because they see other young people
832
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.920
that look like them and sound like them on all
833
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:27.920
the social media things, they automatically assume that they should
834
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:29.559
be the same way and that they should have all
835
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.719
of this information. Whereas the three of us together have
836
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:38.880
nearly one hundred years of movement background. That's a lot
837
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.760
of experience that we've got under our belts. So we
838
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.719
can say things that we know to be true because
839
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.159
we've seen it, done it, been there, you know, got
840
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:52.960
the T shirt, you know, years ago. And so I
841
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.800
wanted to get your opinion on that on when you're
842
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:02.400
training those younger educators or these younger plates instructors, how
843
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.960
to keep them I hate to use a phrase, but
844
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.320
how to humble them without humbling them, you know what
845
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.519
I mean? How to let them know that they still
846
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.599
have a lot to learn and that this is a
847
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:16.320
progression and an evolution within themselves. Not just within the industry.
848
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.440
I when I teach, I try to create dialogue. So
849
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.639
it's just not me giving them, you know, lecture lecture,
850
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.639
lecture lecture. I try to create communication with them and
851
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.320
I try to get up in their heads with them.
852
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.320
And you know, these are young people that they're so
853
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.880
used to instant gratification because they you know, if they
854
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.039
don't get to go to the next one, oh, that stiffies.
855
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:42.599
Yeah exactly.
856
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.280
So I kind of like, you know, bring that into
857
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.960
play and say, like, you know, you're not scrolling, You're
858
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.440
working with movement. You're working with a person or a
859
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.079
human body, a human being, and it can't come overnight.
860
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.039
Teaching is going to evolve as you're going to see
861
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:07.519
this body involved in front of you, and what works
862
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.239
now may may not work in a couple of years
863
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.559
because that body will change a little bit as you
864
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.199
are going to change because you have now more experience.
865
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.480
They all want to, like, you know, become these big.
866
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.920
Name teachers and travel the world. Well, it took me
867
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.440
years to get my you know name. I don't know
868
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:27.400
if I'm a big name out there, but it took
869
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.440
me years to get where I'm at and to get
870
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.960
invited to teach at these places, and I just feel
871
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.719
like with our younger generation, they want right now, and
872
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:41.000
that's you know, that's the the you know, the mindset
873
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:42.159
they're in, you know.
874
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.440
And I think a lot comes from our social media.
875
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.599
I mean, like like your your your last you know episode,
876
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.000
you talk about influencer.
877
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:54.360
Do they really do plotis? I don't know.
878
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:02.199
Maybe they really not how to work Instagram and they
879
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.320
really know how to believe algorithm to benefit them and
880
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:07.440
that I'll give to them.
881
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.800
And I've learned a lot from watching those people.
882
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.519
And I've had some you know, consultations where I've like,
883
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:14.880
you know, hired somebody, all right, tell me how to.
884
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.960
Do this, you know, because you know, Instagram is a.
885
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.960
Very powerful application for PLOTUS teachers. We put ourselves out there,
886
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.920
you know, and I get a lot of imitations from
887
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.559
you know, across the globe to come and guests each
888
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.360
because they saw me Instagram.
889
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.239
So you know, I play that out.
890
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.000
But we're finding too that people is like, why do
891
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.679
I want to pay you all this money to get
892
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.559
trained when I can go on Instagram and oh look
893
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.719
somebody's doing the hundreds.
894
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.800
I'll just mimic that, you know, I was.
895
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.599
I was literally just talking to an educator and a
896
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.440
couple of hours ago about this very thing that she
897
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.800
went to a PLATES conference and one of the people
898
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.840
who was teaching was one of these influencers out of
899
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.039
I think Los Angeles or something, and spent the entire
900
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.039
session teaching things like how to put on the springs
901
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.280
properly and how to adjust the spring tension. It wasn't
902
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:17.880
teaching anything beyond the most basic information. And this educator said,
903
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.639
I don't really think that they knew very much about PLATES,
904
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.239
but they had a huge following and that's all that mattered,
905
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.320
and that's all that got them invited to teach in
906
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.960
the first place. And I think we're seeing a lot
907
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.119
of that where these people don't have very much to say.
908
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.000
They don't have a voice, but they're really good in
909
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.519
thirty second clips. But put them in a hour of course,
910
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:42.480
that's a little different. What do they have to say.
911
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.480
Yeah, they don't have the attention span first of all,
912
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.599
is what I'm firing now, And it's very hard, you know,
913
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:51.320
like I'm trying to.
914
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.360
Hit those sixteen hours in some of these courses, and
915
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:55.519
I'm telling you about.
916
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.280
That fourteenth me included I'm like, okay, guys, you know,
917
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.440
let's repeat this exercise.
918
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:03.719
One more time.
919
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:04.559
You know.
920
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.840
So the attention span, you know, social media has roomed
921
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.079
that for us, you know, because we just instantly can
922
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.000
change our attention to something new and fleshy and shiny.
923
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.559
So yeah, exactly. And teaching, you know, around the world,
924
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.320
like you know, I get to do, which is you know,
925
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.760
quite an honor. You know, it's a problem we're seeing
926
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.039
all over the place, everywhere, everywhere. I was just every
927
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.199
Mexico city teaching a couple of weeks ago, and there
928
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.519
were some influencers.
929
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.400
Now I will give them this. They could move and
930
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.320
they understood it, but they were so incredible with their phones,
931
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.480
you know, and you know, getting it right on Instagram
932
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.440
and boomed. It was like I was amazed with it.
933
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.440
I was like, you know, teach me. Yeah, so yeah,
934
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.239
very very interesting.
935
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.480
Do you I kind of feel like, you know, do
936
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:02.039
you think Instagram is going to be the the downfall
937
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.440
plates or do you think it's gonna be.
938
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.639
You know, I mean, take this for what it is,
939
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.000
but I feel like Pilates has an incredible amount of value.
940
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:15.719
I do.
941
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.920
I think it's one of the best, most complete foundational
942
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.280
movement systems on the planet. And I think I think
943
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.440
if you really, if you do pilates for a period
944
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.280
of time, your body will be in better shape, Like
945
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.880
you'll be able to do more things with more resilience
946
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.280
and less injuries than if you didn't do pilates. Like
947
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.599
that's just been my experience for you know, thirty plus years.
948
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.199
So I think I think that will stay. And I think,
949
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.719
like with any of these bubbles, because this is a bubble, right,
950
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.519
everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. And I mean I think
951
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.280
you know too, from teaching educators or teaching teachers like
952
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.199
I've taught for years, there's there's about I call it
953
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.280
the five percent. There's about five percent of any class
954
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.239
of any group of teachers that I ever work with
955
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:58.719
that are going to take this on as a profession.
956
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.559
They're gonna to be serious about it. They're going to
957
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.559
do the work, they're going to learn the stuff, and
958
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.199
they're going to move forward, and they'll be doing this
959
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.199
for twenty years, roughly ninety five percent. And I could
960
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.000
be I don't think I'm actually too generous with that.
961
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.199
Are are like, oh, this is cool, I'm going to
962
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.639
do this for a little while, they pop in, they
963
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.519
teach for a couple of years at club, pilates or
964
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.000
wherever else, or at a studio it's too hard, it
965
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.920
doesn't make enough money. Then they you know, they go
966
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:25.480
off and get married or have a kid, and they
967
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.159
move on to the next phase of their life. I
968
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.880
think a good chunk of the bubble right now is
969
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.400
going to end up being part timers, hobbyists. You know,
970
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.599
they'll they'll get whatever they get out of it, which
971
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may be great, and then then move into whatever the
972
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.159
next thing is. That's always been true. I mean when
973
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:42.199
when I look at the numbers from Bounce Body and
974
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.960
how many students start with Mount one and Reformer one
975
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.079
and then go on to be comprehensive, Like, there's always
976
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.960
a small percentage that goes on. I mean it may
977
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.039
be twenty five thirty percent, but there's a big chunk
978
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.239
that go, oh, this is great, I want to be
979
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:55.840
a PLOTA teacher. And then they try it for a
980
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.840
while and go this is too hard. Yeah, yeah, because
981
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.039
it kind out yeah what it actually is.
982
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.079
Yes, And I think they don't get that fame. I
983
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.320
think that's the other thing is I think they're looking
984
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.159
for that gratification that comes not only from you know,
985
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.760
being famous in all of this, but having that Instagram fame,
986
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.000
of being recognized and all of this without realizing that
987
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.840
Pilate's movement fitness is a very small bubble in this world.
988
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.400
It's very nobody really cares. Let's be honest.
989
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.760
No, I don't think any of us have walked through
990
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.159
an airport and have had people screaming our names and
991
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.679
chasing us for autographs. I don't think that's happened. So
992
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.360
I think that in general, if that's what they're looking
993
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.400
for and they're looking for Pilates to do that for them,
994
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.079
I think they're sadly mistaken. And I think that there
995
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.519
will be a few that can make their name, you know,
996
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.239
by being but it's more being an Instagram star or
997
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.400
being a social media star than it is being a
998
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.199
Pilates teaching star. And I think that's the difference.
999
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.000
Yeah, exactly, They're looking for fame, that's yeah, looking for fame.
1000
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.039
And this is a funny. Is a friend of the
1001
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.840
world to be famous in I mean, try you. You
1002
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.639
are probably the two more of the better known people
1003
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.280
in this world at the moment, just because we've been
1004
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.159
around a lot in a long time and a lot
1005
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.840
of places. But it's still like this is not this
1006
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.559
is whatever whatever they're hoping for.
1007
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.599
This isn't it Just I think it's glamorous. You know,
1008
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:30.480
I'm taking off the Florence and I know with I
1009
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.480
love her Joel. I was just on the before. And
1010
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.880
what they don't understand is like, you know, first thing,
1011
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:38.559
we fly all night.
1012
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:46.239
Exactly l exhausted, and we put that plotter's hat on
1013
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:47.239
and we stand up.
1014
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:52.079
Yeah, and it's just like you know, and you know,
1015
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.159
because my clients kind of feel like I take a
1016
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:59.760
lot of vacasions because I and I'm like, no, this
1017
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:00.800
is it's not a vacation.
1018
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:06.440
I'm traveling to another studio and it's just centry right,
1019
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.800
different students that don't speak our language. And I've got
1020
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.800
a translator now to deal with. And we all know
1021
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:18.039
when we teach, you know, internationally, a translator can make
1022
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:24.800
our break. You you know, I have translator nightmare anxiety before,
1023
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:26.320
as you should.
1024
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.039
Yeah, I had one in Russia. Was is not we
1025
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:30.440
were not.
1026
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:35.400
We were like that the whole time, you know. So yeah,
1027
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:37.960
and so it's not as glamorous as what they think.
1028
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.639
But then on the other hand, you know, we get
1029
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.480
to make friends all over the world, you know, which
1030
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.400
is you know, the beauty of you know, of our work.
1031
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.199
We we get to travel and we get to make.
1032
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:53.039
New connections, and you know, see what I didn't feel that,
1033
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.880
you know, that pulse of the community globally, and I
1034
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.000
think that's like an incredible thing.
1035
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:00.639
You know.
1036
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.840
I wanted to roll back just a little bit because
1037
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.639
one of the things that you asked, and I just
1038
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.199
wanted to bring this up. You know, when I see
1039
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.480
a lot of stuff on Instagram, you know, some of
1040
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.559
it is again some of it is fantastic, some of
1041
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.519
it is really nice, I think, additions to the repertoire,
1042
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.880
because the Repipoi does have, in my opinions, some limitations
1043
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.960
in terms of functional movement skills and things like that.
1044
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:26.039
But the other thing, too is most of my clients,
1045
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:27.840
and I think most of the clients that I've ever
1046
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.719
met in any ploty studio don't need that yet. They
1047
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.480
need to like get their footwork going and maybe some
1048
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.440
feed and straps and maybe some core work and maybe
1049
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.920
some armwork because they're not there yet. You know, Like
1050
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.639
I look at these things, I think that's great, you know,
1051
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.320
that's fantastic that they can do. That looks beautiful whatever,
1052
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.679
But I'm thinking the clients that I know need to
1053
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:49.760
basically get their hips and their knees and their ankles
1054
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.840
working together. And if they can do that, that will
1055
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.599
make a difference in their lives. It's not glamorous like
1056
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.239
that is not glamorous. Full work is not like that
1057
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.639
exciting to watch. That makes such a huge difference in
1058
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.960
really changing people's lives. And that's always the thing too.
1059
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.239
And I say this a lot to teachers because young
1060
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.360
teachers always think they need more. I need more exercises,
1061
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:13.440
I need more things, I need more stuff. I was like, no,
1062
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.159
actually you don't. You just need to teach the exercises
1063
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.880
you have better, right, I see that all the time.
1064
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.039
You just need to really dive in there, really get
1065
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.559
that person precise. And I can make anybody have a
1066
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.840
hard workout, doing a most basic workout by making them
1067
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.559
do it right right. It's not about what they're doing,
1068
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.719
it's like if they're really doing it right and concentrating,
1069
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.719
I can make anybody sweat. I can make anybody feel
1070
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.199
like they've just killed themselves and they're not doing anything fancy.
1071
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:40.360
They're just doing it well.
1072
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.519
You know, well, I think we're seeing so much of
1073
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.559
you know, these other studios where the music gets pumping
1074
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.280
and there's lights now that yeah, I know, and like
1075
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.920
you know, it's it's a super high buzz they get
1076
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.280
from the class. Yes, and then they come to people
1077
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.639
like us and we go, okay, shut up and lay
1078
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:01.280
down exactly.
1079
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:07.320
Attention, Yeah, like you have to pay attention. Yeah, that's
1080
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:11.039
my other that's my other beat, the attention. It skills
1081
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.760
and both students and clients.
1082
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.480
You know, as I get older, my my my filters
1083
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:20.039
are starting to diminish, and I have to really let
1084
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.360
some people have about.
1085
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:28.519
Not you know, put your phone down, listen to what.
1086
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.400
I'm telling you, you know, and you know, don't ask
1087
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.960
me stupid questions like how many springs After I've said
1088
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.920
three times, how many springs disposed?
1089
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.360
Exactly, that's where your head is right now, you know.
1090
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:44.960
So yeah, I try to, like I really try to
1091
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.719
instill that into you know, the teacher training, to really
1092
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.960
really get them excited about what they're going to teach
1093
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.000
and how to get better at teaching.
1094
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.159
It's like movement literacy. You're going to be a very
1095
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:05.519
very you know, movement specialists and and you know, and
1096
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:06.880
it's hard. It's been hard.
1097
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.639
I've seen, you know, I've seen what I thought they
1098
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.360
were going to stick with it, and they drop out
1099
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.760
because they lose their yeah, their gusto and getting the
1100
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.679
whole you know, comprehensive certification under their belt.
1101
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.880
So and I don't know if that's going to get
1102
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.360
better or it's going to get worse.
1103
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:28.519
I think it's going to get worse because again it's
1104
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.199
just this is hard work. I mean, you know, not
1105
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.639
to put to find a point on it, but if
1106
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:36.199
you're really want to comprehensively trained, it's just it's a
1107
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.599
lot of work. It's a lot of time, it's a
1108
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.360
lot of attention, it's a lot of practice sessions with clients.
1109
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:46.119
And if you're not interested or this kind of work
1110
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.000
isn't interesting to you and doesn't feed you in some way,
1111
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.599
why would you go through that much trouble? I mean,
1112
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.280
go and become you know, a finance guy or a
1113
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.679
wealth manager or something else. It's probably less work in
1114
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.079
a lot of ways, and certainly more reward. So I
1115
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.840
think I think what I do, I do think and optimistically,
1116
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.239
I think we're going to be left with those that
1117
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.920
are really interested. Those are the ones that are going
1118
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.360
to continue on and keep this going because there's there's
1119
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:13.360
enough of them, you know, you know many of them.
1120
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.199
I know many of them that are just like they're
1121
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.440
committed and they will keep carrying this, this pilateus world
1122
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.599
forward on their shoulders for you know, until they move
1123
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.760
it on to the next person and those people coming
1124
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.199
up exactly.
1125
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.599
Anyway, that's my home. I hope so too. You know,
1126
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:30.519
it's it's been.
1127
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:35.079
It's definitely a challenge, but it's a challenge that I'm
1128
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.719
really you know, I'm willing to take on to really
1129
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:41.239
help preserve you know, that we have something to teach
1130
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.079
and that it hasn't changed too much. And you know
1131
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.079
that's the other thing, like, you know, like I try
1132
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.480
to stick, you know, with my classical roots a lot,
1133
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.719
but there's just you know, sometimes that body in front
1134
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:57.119
of me is just not able to take some of that. Yeah,
1135
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:02.440
So you know, I really try to, you know, you know.
1136
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:03.199
Honor it.
1137
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:07.360
But you know, I make small changes and you know,
1138
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.599
you know who helped me the most with that was
1139
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:11.000
Julian Lulford.
1140
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:13.360
Juliane and I were good buddies.
1141
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.840
I went out to you know, San Diego a lot
1142
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.719
to his studio and he can't leave that a lot.
1143
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:24.360
We were good friends and Juliane was amazing doing that.
1144
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.239
He really has incredible sense of that person, the movement
1145
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.760
that he wanted. Yeah, so I have a Julian story
1146
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:38.119
I have to tell. Yes, Julie and I stayed up
1147
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.360
drinking way too much wine one night.
1148
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:44.719
You know, he's British, so he didn't. Yeah, he was like,
1149
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.760
I'm British, I can drink. So we're drinking lots of wine.
1150
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.360
We get to the studio at seven o'clock in the morning.
1151
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.360
Juliane puts me on the reformer and he goes, okay, mate,
1152
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.599
let's do climatory.
1153
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:01.760
No warm up, no nothing, me up back. So God,
1154
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.159
I climb that tree. I walked down my I climb
1155
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:07.000
back down my tree.
1156
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.320
I go into the well, hang out for a moment.
1157
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.000
I bring my head up. I climbed. I threw up that.
1158
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.039
I was gonna say, that's what I would have done.
1159
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.559
Yeah, like I'm holding my leg.
1160
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:18.159
I went.
1161
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.440
And he looked at me with these white eyes and
1162
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.159
he goes, mate, I.
1163
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.800
Can't believe it. You just vomited in my studio. He
1164
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:32.679
was he was so much fun.
1165
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:38.280
He was so much fun on this inside the time. Yeah,
1166
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.519
oh yeah, how could you know? Did you?
1167
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.840
Did you get to know Julian? Never did, never met him.
1168
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.079
He was He was great, great, great, great teacher.
1169
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.320
And Julian I really like, you know, kind of felt,
1170
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:54.760
kind of took me out of being, you know, the
1171
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.760
classical world and brought me a little bit more into
1172
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.280
a contemporary world. And the things that taught me were
1173
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:06.480
so valid and so absolutely And he had that Martha
1174
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:11.519
Graham technique in his body. He understood that, and he
1175
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.880
was able to take that technique and put it into
1176
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.480
you know, the method. I think that's why Ron Fletcher
1177
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.480
loved him so much, because you know, Ron also Martha Graham,
1178
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.800
and you know certainly knew because Julian was the star
1179
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.440
of the Martha Graham you know, Dan's company. Oh yeah, yeah,
1180
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.760
you know, Juliane was rehearsing Britson of Cough when Martha
1181
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.360
Graham you know, wanted you know, Brichion and Cough to do.
1182
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.920
I think it was I forget what ballet it was,
1183
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:37.920
but one of them.
1184
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:39.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
1185
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:45.159
Yeah, wow, all right, all.
1186
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.800
Right, thank you so much for a for a wonderfully
1187
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:54.000
wide ranging conversation. Yeah, I loved it.
1188
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.079
This was awesome. Thank you so much for joining us,
1189
01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:02.199
and have you guys honor awesome, awesome, Thank you guys
1190
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:04.679
for joining us as well. We really appreciate every one
1191
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:06.599
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1192
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.559
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1193
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:11.599
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01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.519
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1196
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:21.800
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1197
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.639
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1198
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:27.639
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1199
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:29.079
Hey guys,