The Uber Eats to OnlyFans Pipeline - Rabbit Hole #2 - #1091

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George, you're a connoisseur of beverages. Would you say so?
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As you open another carbonated beverage.
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Well, gentlemen.
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Cheers.
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Have you ever had full fat Coke with salted peanuts
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in it?
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No.
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I have not.
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Say less. Take a glass.
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Okay.
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Take a Coke. Take a peanut. So there's a viral
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tweet that goes out. About 30 years ago, I read
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in a Haruki Murakami essay, That in America, it's popular
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to drink cola with peanuts in it. I just went, huh.
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And a long time passed since then, but I finally
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tried it. What the hell is this? It's ridiculously delicious.
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No kidding.
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It's at a level where I don't want to drink
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cola any other way anymore. So we are going to drink.
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Have you before?
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Or are we going to find out? I've saved this.
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I saw that and I've been edging myself with fucking
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cola and peanuts since then.
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Is there an order you have peanuts first? I think.
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That's crazy, right?
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Peanuts first. Peanuts first seems more insane.
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Yeah, it's like cereal.
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I've blown my load early.
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Hold on. Peanuts and Coke is the most accidentally perfect
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food pairings in history. The chemistry explains why this guy
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can't go back. Coca-Cola sits at pH 2.5, roughly the
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same acidity as stomach acid. What's awful about it?
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We need to show the camera what this looks like.
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It does not look as good as that.
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But look at how much it's fizzing. Anyway, there's a
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load of signs. Salt on the peanuts suppresses the bitter
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taste receptors on your tongue, which amplifies your perception of
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the sweetness. You can, without adding a single gram of sugar,
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the carbonation does two things. CO2 dissolved in liquid forms
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carbonic acid, which wait. So I think we need to
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leave it. So we're going to, we're going to have,
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we're going to set this down and come back to it.
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We'll come back to it in like, I don't know.
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Honestly, the original Coke like this alone already would have
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blown my mind.
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Yeah.
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I haven't had, have you had this? This is like,
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this is Kratom. This is actually Kratom.
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Jared, you need this. Don't forget.
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You're going to have a high potency on yours unless
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you fill it up.
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Anyway, so this is, you're a connoisseur of beverages, especially
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sparkling ones. Should we take a starter sip? No, I
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think we wait. I think we wait. We're going to
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wait for a little bit and then come back to it.
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And this doesn't get you high or anything? Well, no.
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It's the only thing that you're interested in.
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He's no longer interested.
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No, I'm interested in other things as well. Okay.
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All right.
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What does it do?
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Question.
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Question.
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Who do you think is the highest paid athlete of
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all time?
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I know the answer to this. Okay.
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Well, don't.
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One year, all time?
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All time.
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All time.
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Who's the highest paid athlete?
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Michael Jordan.
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Ronaldo, Messi.
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They come to mind.
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Michael Jordan will be second.
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Mm-hmm.
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Tiger Woods, third.
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Joey Chestnut.
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Bonnie Blue, actually. It depends what sport.
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You're talking about.
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It's a real endurance.
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Can I throw in a guess out there? There was
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a Roman chariot racer who allegedly made over a billion dollars. Correct.
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You owe us Perlman because you just predicted what he
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was going to say.
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History teacher.
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Well, Kratom does crazy things to your mind.
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Gaius Apuleius Diocles. So Michael Jordan has earned $ 1. 8 billion.
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Tiger Woods, $ 1. 7 billion. Arnold Palmer, $ 1. 4 billion. Jack Nicklaus, $ 1.
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2 billion.
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Oh, it was $ 15 billion.
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$ 15 billion in today's money. He basically won 35,863,120 sesteres.
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By some estimation, over $ 15 billion in 2011.
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And that's pure income from the sport? Back then, there
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was probably no sponsorships.
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No sponsorships, not a shoe deal.
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Hashtag ad, yeah.
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A shield deal?
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Yeah, I wonder who could have offset his Bodecia budget.
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Wow.
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$ 15 billion, dude. And the tweet says, eat shit, Michael Jordan,
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you joke bitch. Yeah, I think I saw that same thing.
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That's why I knew that. That's what I've contributed.
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You did kind of ruin it by knowing the answer,
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but we'll let that slide. Do we have a photo
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of this guy?
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Just search that dude, Jared. The fucking Gaius Apuleius Diocles.
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I'm sure you can spell that.
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It's fascinating coming from the UK to the US and
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seeing how Europe is kind of criticized as being like
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a socialist place, and the U.S. is seen as this
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capitalist place. Meanwhile, our sports are way more capitalist, and
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I still don't understand how U.S. sports work, where you have...
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Because I went to go watch a Miami Heat game,
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and I searched a guy's salaries, and one guy's on
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like 50 million, and then the rest are on like
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his entire salary combined, which is absurd.
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And he can't make more than that. It's capped, which
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is un-American, right?
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But yeah, why? And then you have the whole... draft
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at the end of the season where whoever finished last
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gets rewarded the most. It's the most un-American thing.
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It's a very communist approach. Alright, should we drink this Coke?
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It's been staring at me. Cheers, gentlemen.
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Cheers.
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Fuck that, mate. Fuck that.
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It tastes quite a lot like Coke.
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It tastes like Coke, but then I ate the peanuts.
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Which was nice.
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You know what it tastes like? Coke with peanuts.
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It did not change the flavor at all for me.
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Maybe we need to let it sit longer.
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It's less different. Maybe we need to.
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I think it's more the aesthetic.
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Oh, you think that this is an art piece?
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Yes, like even if you made a.
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It looks like what happens if you've eaten too much
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Mexican food.
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If you had the best Michelin... Yes.
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It just looks so much like there's too much fucking... Yeah, look.
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I do enjoy chewing while drinking Coke. So that's good.
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That's a positive.
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I'm going to keep going with that.
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Yeah. What if you, I mean, can you choke on
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the peanuts? That's always a risk.
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Yeah.
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I have a question for the group that I wanted
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to ask people on. Bullish or bearish on certain trends.
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So I kind of want to know, um, trends that
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are big right now in society or aren't big right
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now that you think should be bigger. So just give me, um,
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things that people, uh, maybe particularly, um, popular about right
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now that you think don't deserve to be and vice versa.
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Overpriced and underpriced yeah okay uh everything's overhyped at the
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moment i want to say ai but then it's probably
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going to change the fucking world i just feel sick
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of hearing about it i'm kind of sick of hearing
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permanently about how it's going to be the end of
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everything or the beginning of everything and there's no one
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that's in the middle there's no one that's like yeah
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ai is pretty cool It's people who are complete doomers
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or just like David Friedberg. Like there's only two ends
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of the barbell. But I would quite like AI to
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chill out a little bit in terms of everyone talking
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about it.
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I guess we've never lived through a mania like this.
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I guess the nearest one would have been the internet.
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Crypto with NFTs was a little bit, but it was different.
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Crypto with NFTs was fucking hard, dude. That would have
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been top of my list.
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But I think a lot of sensible people were skeptical
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about NFTs for sure. Aspects of crypto. Whereas I feel like,
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you know, AI right now, even the people who are doomers,
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they're not saying AI sucks. They're saying it's too powerful.
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It's either, this is so powerful. Life is going to
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be amazing. Or this is so powerful. Life is like
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over for us. And nobody's really, nobody really like, Hey,
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this is, this is a flash in the pan. Like
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in the early internet, there's famous articles where it's like
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the internet won't amount to anything. This is a, a
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fancy fax machine. There's articles you can go pull up
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now and mock people. I feel like with AI, we
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kind of all know.
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What about you? What do you think?
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I'm getting really into metaverse real estate. Now's the time
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to get in. So I'm buying up a lot of land.
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I've got a place next to Snoop Dogg.
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This feels a little bit like kicking a dead body
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whilst it's on the ground and saying that you killed it.
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Do you know what I mean? You can't say the
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metaverse is overhyped when it's already dead. You know that
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Simpsons meme where it's like, stop, stop. He's already dead.
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I don't see you hanging a board ape up in here,
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do you? So there you go.
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Why don't you talk about your cryptos?
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You know, here's actually a weird one that I did
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all right on that toad. Did all right on that toad, baby.
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All right. You can look it up on Shane as well, actually.
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So there's no fraud there.
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There's no lies.
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You can verify my NFT activity, good sir. You know,
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one that I'm weirdly, because I was thinking about, there's
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lots of stuff you could say where it's almost trite, right?
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So you go, AI is going to change the world.
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And it's like, most people will probably agree with that.
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So therefore it's kind of a neutral statement. And I
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was thinking, well, what are people, what's cliche to be
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bearish on right now? And then what's the bullish take
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for that? My two big ones are number one, the
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mainstream media. I'm ridiculously bullish in the next five years
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on the power the mainstream media has, which is like the, Oh,
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it's kind of like don't go to college kind of statement,
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whereas it's kind of saying almost the opposite now of
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go to college. Mainstream media in particular, it's almost like
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they have the highest value audience in the world. Because
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nobody I know listens to mainstream media, and that's kind
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of part of the joke, except Donald Trump, except Keir Starmer,
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except Macron. We was at dinner the other night, wouldn't
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say who, but it was somebody who used to work
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in the cabinet in the UK. And one of my
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favorite questions to ask people, apart from that question previously-
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is when you meet somebody who knows a lot about
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other industry of you've worked in this thing for ages,
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what do like layman's like me just not appreciate that's
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really fascinating on the inside? And he paused for a
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while to answer the question about what it's like being
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inside number 10. And the thing he reiterated was how
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much of the conversation is shifted by what's on the
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BBC or what's on the Guardian. And you kind of
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see this with Trump a little bit now when he'll address,
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he'll know like each episode news reporter by name. And
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it's like, meanwhile, nobody reads this, nobody consumes this, but
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it still has such an impact on policy.
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You've got little rivalries with, oh, that's such and such
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from the lame times or whatever.
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And I'm like, what the fuck?
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Yes.
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And likewise, in number 10, the amount of reactionary time
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just goes to what's on the headlines that nobody's reading, really,
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apart from a few geriatric 65-year-olds. Therefore, there's still... It's
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kind of weirdly underpriced.
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Well, there's always going to be prestige in the mainstream
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media because... There's a limited amount of time and a
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limited amount of space. Anybody can make a YouTube channel,
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which is awesome and subversive and rebellious and whatever. But
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also that means anyone can make it. So there's no
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prestige associated with doing it. There's only 24 hours in
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the day on CBS. So if you get 15 minutes
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of that day, implicitly you're being given something. There's a
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kind of prestige with it. That being said, has anyone
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ever watched Discovery Life? Have you ever seen Discovery Life?
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Discovery Channel Life?
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So I'm fucking training in the gym and there's so
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many different TV screens, brand new gym. So apparently everybody
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needs to watch. It's like a three-year-old playing subway surfer
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whilst watching TikTok at the same time. So fucking screens everywhere.
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And I'm looking over and there's a lovely lady on TV,
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black lady, like nicely dressed, floral outfit thing. And she
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is having one of her own fingernails extracted from behind.
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Her own ear.
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Like at 10 a.m.
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In the morning.
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primarily focuses on reality programming dealing with life events. It's
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programming targets female audience, blah, blah. It is fucking medical
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emergencies at 10 in the morning. And I'm watching this
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like five inch long pair of tweezers extract this very
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nice lady's fingernail from behind her own fucking eardrum. I'm like,
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I'm trying to do bicep curls. And, It cut from
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that to the next one and it was someone's ribs
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being punctured. Fucking 10.30 in the morning. Only in America
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would it be like healthcare has become basically a competitive
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sport now that you can fucking broadcast on the internet.
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So I don't know. I feel like this is the
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sort of thing you would have watched at an after party.
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No, I've never seen that.
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I had this realization. I'm trying to find it now,
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but I wrote about it ages ago, which was I
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was once similar to you in the gym working out
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and the news was on and it was just like,
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This number of people have died in Ukraine today. This
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number of people have died in Gaza today. And then
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take these pills.
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And I imagined it of like, if this was a
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bloke that was in the gym that was saying this,
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or it was a friend, I'd be like, I'm never
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speaking to you ever again. And it's like, when you
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begin to personalize it like that, it's.
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Just, you view it so differently.
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Except it would be a guy that was shouting it
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to the entire room.
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Yes.
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He wouldn't even be saying it to you specifically. He'd
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just be saying, this black lady had her fingernail caught
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behind her eardrum. Do you want me to tell you
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about the lady that took it out of her?
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Well, I work out at Planet Fitness, so we have
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people like that.
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You've actually seen this happen live. Yeah, yeah.
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There's like a host of people in there wigging out
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while we're all trying to get fit. And it's good motivation.
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And that's about all it is. It's like, holy shit,
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I need to make more money and work out somewhere else.
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Is Atlanta Fitness, like, with your membership comes, like, free
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pizza or something?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, there's a pizza slice station at the gym? Yeah,
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so you don't get the pills, but you do get
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a Tootsie Roll. It's embarrassing, dude. I need to get
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a different gym. Dude, it's interesting that you say that, though,
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about being bullish on mainstream media because they basically have
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hit the basement in terms of really everything. So there's
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no way you could think they're going to do worse
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in my opinion. You couldn't be more bearish. Yeah. So
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you're correct.
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Well, I'll give you another, I'm hitting the basement right now. Um,
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one that I would buy the shit out of is
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the United Kingdom. Everybody right now, the UK, literally, I
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think yesterday the news came out around, it's like the worst, um,
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economic change in terms of the bond rating. Like the
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doom and gloom around the UK is so strong right now,
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but you just go, it's with a goat.
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Are you going to say never bet against the UK?
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No, no, no. Long-term, yes. Long-term, yes. Even if they
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do nothing again, just from a pure IP perspective. I
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was getting an argument today with Claude in the car.
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And sometimes I'll bounce between Claude, chat GPT, and grok.
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That's my hack.
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That's like when one of your side pieces won't put out.
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You pivot to another one. That's accurate.
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I went to dad and he said, no, mum.
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Well, I posed the question to Claude. and I'm interested
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in your guys' take on this, of who's had more,
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who's more impactful to the world, the Roman Empire or
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United Kingdom? And I think it's the United Kingdom, pound
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for pound. I think pound for pound. We're one third
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the size of Texas. And like, who's managed to do
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this level of output that we've managed to do? Which
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is a very un-British thing to say.
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Really living on fucking borrowed time though, mate.
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No, not really. Not really.
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When was the last thing we did that was cool?
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DeepMind.
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Like the whole ai industry comes out of essentially london
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how many people do you think know that um this
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is it we're basically the technical the way of you
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in uk to the us is like we're the technical
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guy that makes no money and comes up with all
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the ideas and then these guys are just great at
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sales and marketing like you can do um ai essentially
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the uk you could do tim berners-lee the internet you
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could do um i mean i don't know if this
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is fully true but because maybe he's such a genius
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that he fought this through but bitcoin white paper written
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in um British English to correct English.
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Oh, come on.
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We don't know who he is.
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We don't know who he is, but there's a little
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bit of something there. But like, if you look at, yeah,
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if you want to keep going back, I always had
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this thing of, if God had like top trumps of
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greatest country, and like each country tries to play their hand,
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the UK is a very tough one to compete with.
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It's very dwindling though. Like when you think about what
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the market's trend is at the moment.
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Newtonian physics still He's being on mainstream world here too.
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He's fucking 500 years old.
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But if you, I'm talking about the history of civilization,
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Roman Empire, what the Italians do, but the Roman Empire
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still gets a lot of credit these days. But I
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just think, going back to the question, I'm bullish on
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the UK just in terms of pure IP and impact
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on the world.
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But bullish would suggest that you'd invest in it. Yes.
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With money? I put it all into the metaverse.
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I've got the.
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Metaverse, CNN. Yeah.
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Yeah, Bridgerton.
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What do you think about Cloud?
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What do you mean? Do you like it? The AI?
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Yeah. I personally think each different AI is slightly different,
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so I'll use... You might know if somebody's created this yet.
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What I want, and I kind of did this, but
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I couldn't be bothered actually turning it into a product,
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which I just want a group chat where I can
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post something in there, they all reply, and then they
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roast one another back and forth in the replies.
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It's a GAN, isn't it? General Adversarial Network. That's what
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that's called.
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Look at the big brain on Chris. That was amazing.
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Fucking that's it. Jim O'Shaughnessy's got it for his super
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crazy fucking AI thing. And he said, yeah, they can
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get all of the different models to argue with each
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other behind the scenes. And then whoever has the best
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answer for this one does it.
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When you use Grok, they show it. So if you
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use like heavy Grok or super Grok or whatever Elon
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calls it, you ask a question and agent one pops up,
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he starts talking like, I think what he wants to
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know is blah, blah, blah. Agent two comes in.
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Right.
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Well, that wouldn't really be fully accurate. He should really
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be thinking about this. Agent three.
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And it'll show up to 15 or 16 agents basically like.
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Within the same AI.
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Within the same AI. What you're talking about is you
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want Claude arguing with chat GPT, arguing with fucking Opus,
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arguing with da, da, da.
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Like literally a group chat.
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Jared, pull up that New York Post article that I
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sent you. Stressed Gen Z is carrying around anxiety bags
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with tools to calm their nerves. Hannah Fowles was spiraling.
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It had been a grueling day at work, and by
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the time the 22-year-old from Provo, Utah, got home, panic
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was bubbling in her chest, and thoughts raced as her
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cheeks flushed red. I was starting to get super overheated.
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I couldn't calm myself down, Fowles told the Post. Nothing
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that I normally do, like breathing exercises or lying down
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in a dark room, was working. Then she saw the bag.
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Jesus Christ.
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Just weeks earlier, Fowles and her therapist had put together
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a small grab-and-go kit filled with items to calm her
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when anxiety strikes. And she flicked on a small portable fan,
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letting the cool air wash over her face, pressed a
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cold pack to the back of her neck, while on
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the other hand, she gripped a spiky fidget toy, feeling
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its prongs dig into her palm as the panic began
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to ebb. Now, I know what you want to do.
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What you want to do is make fun of these
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people for having, look how it's an EDC bug out
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bag that like military guys have, but for Gen Z people.
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What I want to know, what I want to know
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is what would be in your anxiety bag?
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Well, I actually have one of those bags. It's called
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a bag of drugs, Chris. Thank you for asking me. Yeah, just...
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Five grams of whole leaf kratom? We got kratom. We've
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got some amphetamines in there. We've got new tonics. We've
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got Valiums.
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Is it going to help the anxiety or just.
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Oh, no. I'm just addicted to drugs.
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Now, this is.
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What was the question?
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I don't think you should make fun of people like this, though,
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because it's not really their fault that they're being sort
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of conditioned to... have this obsession with mental health it's
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that's my theory that's exactly that's exactly like.
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You take dei dei starts from a good place hey
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we should include more people we should be more equitable
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everyone should get a fair opportunity a shot but then
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these movements can get hijacked and the movements can get
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hijacked and stretched and to the point where it doesn't
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really resemble where it started you guys see this thing
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with the canadian politician who was using the lgbtq acronym
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But it was like 14 letters long.
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It's, what is it?
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Murdered and missing women and children, indigenous women and children. M-M-M-I-S-J.
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Did you see this?
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It's a full sentence long.
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No, listen to this.
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She's giving a press conference and she stands there and
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she just with a straight face says, she wants to
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express her like, you know, condolences or whatever to the M-M-I-W-G-2-S-L.
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There's a number in there. 2-S-L-G-B-T-Q-Q-I-A-plus. And she just says
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that with a straight face. And then people were like, what?
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what the hell was all that? And it's like, includes
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like murder victims, murderers.
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Murderers, missing women and children, indigenous people, like two spirit,
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the two is for two spirit, which is like, yeah.
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Double song.
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A is in there, which is asexual. So here it is.
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Holy shit, that's long. Was released.
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I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney
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is cutting $ 7 billion between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown
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Indigenous Relations. They provided $ 0 to deal with the ongoing
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genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA +.
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That's impressive.
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That was honestly great.
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She runs it back.
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Indigenous women across this country. Indigenous women, girls, 2SLGBTQQIA +.
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It's fucking wild.
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She's not reading off anything. That's off the dome. That's Eminem.
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She's like the fucking Harry Mack. of coming up with acronyms.
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You know that dude? He's like, shout out three words.
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And it's like, umbrellas, steaks, shoes. And he like freestyle
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raps an entire thing about it.
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The Jay-Z.
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And they're serious about this too. That's not even a joke.
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That's what's insane. No, this is not SNL.
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But on your mental health point, if, this is why this, it's,
491
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but I think what ends up happening is you end
492
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up with these swings. You can then have a swing
493
00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:36.200
so far the other way where it's like, I mean,
494
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everybody's known somebody who's taken their own life right like
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it's a that side of things is like serious totally
496
00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:41.829
the problem with a lot of these things is you
497
00:21:41.849 --> 00:21:43.430
get to like a lot of the root of human
498
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experiences which is like ironically a little bit of that
499
00:21:46.869 --> 00:21:48.890
but so much of it is around the language that
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we use and within mental health you bundled up so
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much that you bundled up seven billion individuals and it's
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become such a black and white top whereas i always
503
00:21:59.339 --> 00:22:01.680
use the example like diabetes is quite an interesting one
504
00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:03.960
right because you have type 1 diabetes which is a
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genuine medical condition that somebody's had from birth. And then
506
00:22:09.509 --> 00:22:12.910
you have type two diabetes, which is a little bit more,
507
00:22:13.250 --> 00:22:15.170
it's a lot more your choice in your environment. And
508
00:22:15.210 --> 00:22:17.190
it feels like you don't have that kind of nuance
509
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around it.
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I'm going to try and just speed run my diabetes.
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This is getting better, by the way.
512
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Yeah, actually.
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It's getting better. Try it again.
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Coke on the nuts?
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Yeah.
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training hard. Their protein is dialed in. They sleep better
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than they did in their 20s. Discipline is not the issue,
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but recovery feels... somewhat different. Strength gains take a little longer.
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You do have some of these language hacks that exist.
540
00:23:46.170 --> 00:23:49.809
I always joke that cybersecurity, nobody takes it serious as
541
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an industry because the naming is just awful. Yeah. And
542
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.539
the biggest thing the cybersecurity industry could do is no
543
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new technology. If they just branded it as CTIs, like
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taking it from STIs, like computer transmitted infections, all of
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00:24:02.190 --> 00:24:04.029
a sudden I'm like, I feel a little bit more
546
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about it. And likewise, the homeless problem right now, how
547
00:24:07.450 --> 00:24:10.730
many people who are homeless, is that the main cause?
548
00:24:10.769 --> 00:24:13.369
It's often, it'll be some, ironically, some serious mental health
549
00:24:13.390 --> 00:24:15.430
issue that's going on. So like the language.
550
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That we use. I've interviewed so many homeless people, dude.
551
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Half of them want to be homeless. And to be
552
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quite frank, I don't really blame them. If you want
553
00:24:22.829 --> 00:24:24.269
to go live in the woods, as long as you're
554
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not- Why would somebody want.
555
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To be homeless?
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Because they're not being tethered to this system that we're
557
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all living within that is currently kind of going down
558
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the drain. I mean, I don't really blame them. That
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thing that we just pulled up, though, is exactly why
560
00:24:38.490 --> 00:24:41.009
people aren't taking mental health seriously anymore, though, because there's
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a fucking, in that, what's it called, the DSVM3 or whatever,
562
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there's a disease for everything.
563
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Right.
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You know? For example- when I was growing up, I
565
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got diagnosed all sorts of shit, but really I was
566
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just a little asshole. And when you, when you start
567
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saying I got ADHD or I'm bipolar, I got borderline
568
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or you got this or that or whatever, you know,
569
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:04.869
I got a, I got a crutch I can lean
570
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on for every single fucking shitty thing I do to somebody,
571
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which is awesome.
572
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There's a great line that someone said to me, which
573
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was mental health is both underdiagnosed and overdiagnosed. There's people
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who don't have it that just live through it.
575
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Dude.
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And don't know. And people who don't have it that
577
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make it their entire personality.
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All the people that actually have serious mental health problems
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that I'm at least friends with are mostly undiagnosed. And
580
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they're just kind of. you know, wandering through life. Yeah, dude, seriously.
581
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I agree with you.
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And I think it's easy to be like callous or whatever,
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like flippant about these, the people that have been diagnosed
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or self-diagnosed or found this sort of mental health become
585
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more fragile. They don't want to be fucked. Like they don't,
586
00:25:48.529 --> 00:25:50.750
they don't want to be that fragile. They're just trying
587
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to hold on to some sense of certainty. And the
588
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certainty is now come from their diagnosis rather than their agency.
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Like they just can't make that thing. And they're in
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a world that seems to pedestalize, you know, I mean,
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there's even a trend on Instagram of people having their
592
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mental health maladies in their bio. You know, like chicks
593
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do like Jesus in bio or pronouns. It's these are
594
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my maladies because that's where they're trying to find some
595
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sense of identity. And they, I don't think they want that.
596
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It sucks for those people.
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That's because like I was saying, the same reason homeless
598
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people are like, yeah, I'm, I'm checked out of this thing.
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It's because they don't fit into the system, really, because
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the system's just not working. And I'm using this system
601
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just as a generality because it is so massive. But
602
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when you have people that are not fitting into it,
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they want to find community within the other people that
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are all fucked up in the head. It's the same
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reason why drug addicts all hang out together. And I
606
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think drug addiction is another thing that's misdiagnosed.
607
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How do you misdiagnose drug addiction?
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I guess I didn't say that well. People that are
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drug addicts, which can, I think, pretty much happen to anybody.
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Certain people are probably more predisposed to it. But people
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that are drug addicts get misdiagnosed as having some sort
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of mental health problem. But really, they're just on drugs
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and then off of drugs. They're withdrawing, then they're high again.
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Like when you kicked off at your video guy.
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00:27:27.009 --> 00:27:28.910
Yeah, so the first thing I want to bring to
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the table for today is Kratom. Kratom is something I've
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been looking into because there's, I think, sort of an
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epidemic happening. And there's a video we got here that
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I can have pulled up. This is the guy I'm
620
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working with who I wigged out on the other day
621
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because he didn't buy me $ 10 of Kratom. And I
622
00:27:48.539 --> 00:27:51.920
quit the dock because of that. Yeah, this stuff's strong.
623
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Yes.
624
00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:56.150
So what he's talking about to contextualize all this is
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7-OH is 7-hydroxymitrogene, which is one of the... I guess
626
00:28:04.059 --> 00:28:05.539
we could just call it a chemical. I don't know
627
00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:07.819
the science behind it. We're going to go actually interview
628
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a chemist about this stuff. But basically, people are taking kratom,
629
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which is sold over the counter at gas stations and
630
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head shops, and there's even kratom shops. But it is...
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A leaf that's from Southeast Asia that sort of mimics
632
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the effects of certain stimulants, but also opioids. It acts
633
00:28:28.750 --> 00:28:32.309
on your opioid receptors and SSRIs. And I think, I
634
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know a handful of people that have gotten very addicted
635
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to it. And they're saying that it is, the withdrawal
636
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is worse than heroin, which is pretty unbelievable given that
637
00:28:44.190 --> 00:28:45.569
heroin withdrawal is horrendous.
638
00:28:45.609 --> 00:28:46.250
And that's it there?
639
00:28:46.549 --> 00:28:48.970
Yeah, man. I should have brought some for everybody.
640
00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:49.059
So.
641
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:51.380
But you're just drinking that.
642
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:53.900
Yeah, this is a lower dose than I was drinking.
643
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:55.970
You're telling me it's worse than heroin, but you're just casually.
644
00:28:56.049 --> 00:28:58.730
So here's the thing, though. So there's a difference between...
645
00:28:58.630 --> 00:29:03.549
And I'm still in the process of figuring all this out. Literally. Literally, yeah.
646
00:29:03.750 --> 00:29:06.230
So I was drinking a bunch of this stuff every
647
00:29:06.250 --> 00:29:08.150
day for the past month, and then I sort of
648
00:29:08.190 --> 00:29:14.799
wigged out on my documentary partner because... Yeah, it'll be
649
00:29:14.819 --> 00:29:17.500
in the doc, but there's, we were at a head
650
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.099
shop and I was like, hey dude, let's get some
651
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:20.740
of this Kratomone and test this stuff out. And there's
652
00:29:20.779 --> 00:29:24.779
these things, there's 70H pills, which is, it's like almost
653
00:29:24.819 --> 00:29:27.789
like Percocet basically. And it's sold over the counter, which
654
00:29:27.849 --> 00:29:32.250
is nuts. I mean, I'm not bashing it necessarily, but
655
00:29:32.690 --> 00:29:35.130
it's interesting. It's sort of the wild west of this drug.
656
00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:36.950
And it's not like it's a new thing. They tried
657
00:29:36.990 --> 00:29:39.349
banning this in 2016. The reason I'm bringing it up
658
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is because we're doing this documentary. And I think that
659
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:46.640
we're on the verge of potentially an epidemic with it. Yeah.
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00:29:47.259 --> 00:29:49.960
This has been, I've seen this in Austin since I
661
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:53.559
basically got here. So there's a few small glass vials,
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00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:54.640
you know, like a five hour energy.
663
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Yeah.
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And there was a company that was making them and they,
665
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One of my friends had another guy who'd been addicted,
666
00:30:00.589 --> 00:30:03.609
had whatever the addiction gene is, addicted to every different
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drug throughout his entire life. There's even YouTube channels of
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00:30:05.750 --> 00:30:08.329
these people and they'll say, which drug fucked my life
669
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up the most? And they'll just list every drug because
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they tried everything. They're like, well, coming off LSD was
671
00:30:13.069 --> 00:30:15.009
actually not that bad, but I had this period where
672
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I was on MDMA every single day for like two months.
673
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And that was really, really rough because my serotonin and da, da, da, da, da, da.
674
00:30:20.869 --> 00:30:23.150
And he said of all of the things that he tried,
675
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the hardest to- get off of was Kratom. And then
676
00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:31.460
he knew so much. At six in the morning, the
677
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Sunrise Mini Mart on whatever fucking South Lamar Street or something,
678
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:39.900
he was outside waiting for this. And then this company
679
00:30:39.940 --> 00:30:45.069
had taken the Kratom content without changing the bottling from
680
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five grams of whole leaf to two and a half,
681
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and he knew. And as soon as he had it,
682
00:30:49.450 --> 00:30:52.009
he was like, my fucking Kratom's been stepped on. He
683
00:30:52.190 --> 00:30:55.609
felt like- From the mini-mart. Yeah. The Sunrise mini-mart had
684
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stepped on his- Oh, whatever. The company that was making this,
685
00:30:58.009 --> 00:31:00.849
because these people aren't treating it like a supplement, that
686
00:31:01.289 --> 00:31:03.029
it's so psychoactive.
687
00:31:03.369 --> 00:31:06.029
Okay. The one thing I guess I didn't explain very
688
00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:08.430
well is that there's a difference between the pure kratom
689
00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:11.069
leaf powder and the stuff that has the 708 in it,
690
00:31:11.089 --> 00:31:13.450
which is the synthesized version. And the reason I didn't
691
00:31:13.630 --> 00:31:15.829
explain that very well is because it's kind of confusing,
692
00:31:16.269 --> 00:31:19.380
but Kratom leaf itself, I mean, you can still get
693
00:31:19.420 --> 00:31:22.069
addicted to it, but the 708 stuff is what's fucking
694
00:31:22.109 --> 00:31:24.950
people up. Okay. For reference, just because I know somebody
695
00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:26.950
that's addicted to Kratom is going to watch this and
696
00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:30.509
be like, that son of a bitch blasphemed my Kratom.
697
00:31:31.009 --> 00:31:33.980
So that is- But the 708 is the really gnarly stuff.
698
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:35.960
Yeah. So I'm going to get some of those pills
699
00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:39.019
and start taking them. But yeah, drinking Kratom extract with
700
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.960
the 708 in it is basically drinking liquid heroin.
701
00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:42.559
What's it feel like?
702
00:31:43.609 --> 00:31:46.670
It's very interesting. It's very sneaky. So I was drinking
703
00:31:46.690 --> 00:31:48.710
it for a month before I really realized how high
704
00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:49.230
I was on it.
705
00:31:49.230 --> 00:31:50.890
Have you done heroin?
706
00:31:51.289 --> 00:31:53.190
Oh, yeah. I'm from Ohio, dude.
707
00:31:57.099 --> 00:31:58.059
How do they compare?
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00:31:58.059 --> 00:31:58.119
708.
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00:31:58.099 --> 00:32:02.000
H-E-R-I-O-N.
710
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.900
If you was personifying them as people, how do they compare?
711
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.000
If it was a party.
712
00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:08.299
Crate them to heroin?
713
00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:08.539
Yeah, yeah.
714
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.220
Well, I mean, I haven't done high levels of the
715
00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:15.970
708 stuff yet, but... Comparatively, the Kratom drinks that I've
716
00:32:15.990 --> 00:32:21.809
been drinking are called Club 13 150 MIT, which is mitragynine.
717
00:32:21.910 --> 00:32:25.289
That's the drug, I guess. And I was drinking two
718
00:32:25.329 --> 00:32:28.430
of those a day, which turns out it's a lot
719
00:32:28.970 --> 00:32:30.700
for that. But there's not a lot of 708 in
720
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:33.259
it from what I understand how it works. So I
721
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.039
don't have the full scope yet for you. But I
722
00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:40.900
would say that heroin is, you know, you get really high.
723
00:32:40.940 --> 00:32:43.619
You feel great. You get that warm feeling. You've taken
724
00:32:43.660 --> 00:32:44.660
painkillers before, right?
725
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:45.579
No, not really, no.
726
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:47.660
Okay, well, good on you, dude. You're better than me.
727
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:49.079
Yeah, no, no, no, don't mean it that way.
728
00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:50.299
Top of the mountain.
729
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.900
Are you conscious of the experience as you're doing it?
730
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.220
Yeah, you know you're high. So I guess the primary
731
00:32:56.289 --> 00:32:58.910
difference would be that when you take Kratom or when
732
00:32:58.970 --> 00:33:02.430
I have been, I've been, I just didn't even realize
733
00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:05.670
how high I was on this stuff. Like I was
734
00:33:05.710 --> 00:33:07.410
kind of just in a daze, but you get sort
735
00:33:07.430 --> 00:33:10.069
of that euphoric feeling. And I will say that in
736
00:33:10.190 --> 00:33:13.769
low doses of it, It's sort of more of a stimulant.
737
00:33:14.309 --> 00:33:16.480
And then you take more and you're getting more of
738
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.160
an opioid, you know, the painkiller, sedative.
739
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.480
Isn't that interesting that the curve, how much you take
740
00:33:23.619 --> 00:33:24.779
almost inverts the effect?
741
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.599
It's a nuanced drug. And I've never really experienced that before,
742
00:33:27.619 --> 00:33:29.160
which was one of the things I was going to
743
00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:31.259
say that's sort of sneaky. But the other thing is,
744
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.730
and maybe this is just me, but I didn't really
745
00:33:36.730 --> 00:33:38.829
grasp that I was high as.
746
00:33:38.789 --> 00:33:39.509
Hell on this stuff.
747
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.700
And I was going in sort of thought loops about things.
748
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.000
Like we had to get like a video done, right?
749
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.279
And I was just sort of pacing around my house,
750
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:50.099
which I pace a lot already when I think around
751
00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:52.779
on the phone. But I was just sort of going
752
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.920
in these thought loops where I was repeating myself, like
753
00:33:55.220 --> 00:33:56.500
kind of even talking to myself.
754
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:57.640
I was a little psychosis-y.
755
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.039
Yeah, dude. And I didn't realize that this was, this
756
00:34:01.099 --> 00:34:02.940
drug was that strong because it's sold over the counter.
757
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.609
And that's already, I already knew from a number of
758
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.829
other people who have gotten addicted to it because I
759
00:34:08.849 --> 00:34:10.820
did some And I put some feelers out there to
760
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:13.500
talk to people. They already told me like, hey, be careful.
761
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.300
It's going to sneak up on you more so than
762
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:16.659
you think.
763
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.780
Are you scared as somebody who's pretty experienced with drugs?
764
00:34:20.619 --> 00:34:23.590
Are you scared of the potential of putting yourself into
765
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.139
this particular? You're going to try this 708 thing and
766
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.409
it's going to be amazing for the doc and it's
767
00:34:27.429 --> 00:34:28.409
going to teach you a lot and you're going to
768
00:34:28.429 --> 00:34:30.130
be able to empathize with the people that are struggling
769
00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:34.309
with this. But you are putting your health and life
770
00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:35.909
on the line. I'm aware you've done it in other
771
00:34:35.949 --> 00:34:38.119
ways a lot. But like this, I don't know, it
772
00:34:38.139 --> 00:34:39.900
feels like a pretty big dice roll to do that.
773
00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:41.059
Is that something that you consider?
774
00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:41.559
No.
775
00:34:42.860 --> 00:34:44.340
I'm not really worried about it. I mean, what's going
776
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.559
to happen? I'm going to have to just withdraw. Yeah.
777
00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:50.199
I'm going to go to Thailand and see where this
778
00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:52.699
stuff comes from now. Okay.
779
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.820
Jesus Christ, you're going to Mordor and deciding to like
780
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.119
fucking stare into the eye of Mount Doom or whatever
781
00:34:58.159 --> 00:34:58.320
it is.
782
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.219
I'll have the Kratom shot in my hand as I'm
783
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.380
looking into the eye of Mordor.
784
00:35:01.409 --> 00:35:02.929
I've done it once. I've done it once as well.
785
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:04.500
When we was in Vegas.
786
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:06.010
Did you get energy from it?
787
00:35:06.019 --> 00:35:08.969
So, well, my initial onboarding to Kratom when he was
788
00:35:08.989 --> 00:35:12.369
doing the David Goggins podcast, ironically. What were you doing?
789
00:35:12.389 --> 00:35:14.869
Kratom with David Goggins. I was like, hey, why didn't
790
00:35:14.909 --> 00:35:17.690
we vlog that? I was like, do some pull-ups, pussy.
791
00:35:17.869 --> 00:35:20.369
So, for context, I, at the time, like, this is
792
00:35:20.389 --> 00:35:21.320
how things change with time.
793
00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:22.460
That was the week that we did Mushrooms.
794
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.039
Yeah, and Kratom was seen as... um like a supplement
795
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:27.840
like it was seen as a nootropic at the time
796
00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:29.460
that was how it was advertised to me i thought
797
00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:31.380
it was gonna be a study i thought i could
798
00:35:31.420 --> 00:35:33.329
take it and i could work more and i remember
799
00:35:33.349 --> 00:35:35.349
like going this is shit but then i realized i
800
00:35:35.389 --> 00:35:37.929
had no more problems i was like on it i've
801
00:35:37.949 --> 00:35:39.690
got no problems at all like why do i always
802
00:35:39.710 --> 00:35:41.530
think i have problems i actually have no problems.
803
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.670
Because you're high, George.
804
00:35:43.710 --> 00:35:47.269
And then I wanted to go. And then I wanted
805
00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:47.719
to get some next day.
806
00:35:47.730 --> 00:35:49.110
Welcome to my world, buddy.
807
00:35:49.489 --> 00:35:51.070
Why do you think I've got so few problems?
808
00:35:51.349 --> 00:35:52.730
It's weird how you go from no problems and then
809
00:35:52.750 --> 00:35:53.949
when it wears off, you've got so many problems.
810
00:35:53.969 --> 00:35:56.690
Yeah, and then you're snapping at your producer and you're like, hey,
811
00:35:56.809 --> 00:35:59.619
fuck you, I quit. It was $ 10 a crate, which
812
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.099
is crazy embarrassing.
813
00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:02.059
Well, I mean.
814
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:02.880
When did you do it?
815
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.760
So I tried Feel Free, which is like this really,
816
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:07.440
really popular company.
817
00:36:07.460 --> 00:36:09.960
And that's, for the record, that's one of the companies
818
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.199
that's being sort of put under the microscope as this
819
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:14.260
is not good.
820
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.940
But they're not using the 70H, right? That's just whole leaf.
821
00:36:17.059 --> 00:36:18.159
I got to look at that. You know what?
822
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:18.699
I'm pretty sure.
823
00:36:18.739 --> 00:36:19.269
Yeah, pull it up.
824
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.070
I'm pretty sure that this is whole leaf stuff. Anyway,
825
00:36:22.969 --> 00:36:24.309
this is forever ago. This is when I was living
826
00:36:24.329 --> 00:36:27.309
in the Airbnb on South Congress when I first moved here.
827
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:32.360
And everyone's doing it. It's literally the in-school mom, but
828
00:36:32.539 --> 00:36:34.219
everyone's doing it. And so I'm like, oh, well, fucking
829
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:35.820
everyone's doing it. And I was like, okay, I'm going
830
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.480
to try this in the house. I'm going to try
831
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:38.079
half a bottle.
832
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:38.980
I don't know.
833
00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:40.880
I can't remember whether it was five grams, two grams, whatever.
834
00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:45.349
Tried it and it just made me really anxious. Anxious
835
00:36:45.429 --> 00:36:47.550
and a little sick for like.
836
00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:49.650
An hour and a half.
837
00:36:49.809 --> 00:36:51.610
I watched some Peaky Blinders and I was like, that's
838
00:36:51.650 --> 00:36:51.869
not for me.
839
00:36:51.869 --> 00:36:53.349
And you just drank one bottle of it? Half a bottle.
840
00:36:53.730 --> 00:36:54.650
And I was like, that's not for me.
841
00:36:54.789 --> 00:36:56.929
So a lot of people get a, feel sick to
842
00:36:56.949 --> 00:36:58.650
their stomach after they drink it and throw up and
843
00:36:58.670 --> 00:36:59.309
stuff like that.
844
00:36:59.349 --> 00:37:00.949
It didn't, it didn't make me feel good. Me and
845
00:37:00.989 --> 00:37:03.090
Z did it again when we went to go and
846
00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:05.880
see a band, but we didn't realize you are not
847
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:07.070
supposed to drink alcohol on it.
848
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.760
Yeah. It'll make you blackout. Also feel free has kava
849
00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:10.300
in it too.
850
00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:14.199
Correct. But it's only in a little, it might be concentrated.
851
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:14.420
Anyway.
852
00:37:14.619 --> 00:37:16.699
So I, I, I tried it. It didn't agree with me.
853
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.619
There's like some things where I think, um, I get
854
00:37:19.659 --> 00:37:23.429
quite bad hangover. I've always got bad hangovers, but, They've
855
00:37:23.449 --> 00:37:26.090
gotten worse as I've got older. What you've got, if
856
00:37:26.150 --> 00:37:29.360
you were someone who doesn't get hangover, Sonny Webster, Olympic weightlifter.
857
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.699
I remember we once partied till four in the morning, 4.30
858
00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:34.500
in the morning, and he'd set off to drive from
859
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.280
Newcastle to Edinburgh, 8 a.m. to go and do a
860
00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:41.139
seminar that started at 10.30. He'd had four hours of sleep,
861
00:37:41.179 --> 00:37:43.670
drank more than me, and was just up and doing
862
00:37:43.730 --> 00:37:46.010
things for the whole morning, and then went and gave
863
00:37:46.030 --> 00:37:48.170
an entire seminar and was just fine. I needed to
864
00:37:48.230 --> 00:37:51.130
stay in bed the whole day. There's some people for
865
00:37:51.170 --> 00:37:56.170
whom the cost- Versus the benefit. The fucking ratio is
866
00:37:56.210 --> 00:37:58.409
just super skewed. They're like, again, they're like the gogget.
867
00:37:58.429 --> 00:37:59.969
They're the Bonnie Blue of being able to drink and
868
00:37:59.989 --> 00:38:00.409
keep going.
869
00:38:01.230 --> 00:38:04.530
Dude, don't ever use Bonnie Blue as a reference.
870
00:38:05.829 --> 00:38:07.769
You're very much the Virgin Mary of that.
871
00:38:08.010 --> 00:38:10.050
I am. I am very much. I'm the Lily Phillips.
872
00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:14.130
I can't take as many. And if that was, if
873
00:38:14.349 --> 00:38:17.730
it was not so painful for me, the cost benefit
874
00:38:17.750 --> 00:38:20.369
analysis of drinking would be completely different. But we did,
875
00:38:20.590 --> 00:38:22.769
both me and you have done a Intellex DNA, which
876
00:38:22.789 --> 00:38:27.679
by the way, This is the fucking sickest shit. Intellex DNA,
877
00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:29.440
a company that's based here in Austin, but you can
878
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:31.380
do it anywhere in the US. You spit into a tube,
879
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.800
not affiliated. I just think they're fucking sick. Spit into
880
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.780
a tube, send it off. They'll give you your full
881
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:40.840
allele genetic profile and they'll compare you to the population. Hey,
882
00:38:40.889 --> 00:38:45.730
you clear caffeine more slowly. You have a protective gene
883
00:38:45.750 --> 00:38:50.829
that's good for late onset Parkinson's. You have one which
884
00:38:50.909 --> 00:38:53.469
can be a risk for autism or for this or
885
00:38:53.489 --> 00:38:55.639
for that or for the other and in loads of
886
00:38:55.659 --> 00:38:58.400
behavioral stuff like this has been associated with people who
887
00:38:58.460 --> 00:39:01.940
have addictive personalities so i have the the com t
888
00:39:02.659 --> 00:39:05.900
uh gene which is a i clear dopamine more slowly
889
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.710
that means that i don't deal with chaos and stress
890
00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:11.710
particularly well but once i start doing something i get
891
00:39:11.849 --> 00:39:13.849
completely fucking obsessed and i lock in and i can't
892
00:39:13.929 --> 00:39:17.610
stop it's like literally one of the descriptions was may
893
00:39:17.650 --> 00:39:20.690
struggle to stop tasks once started It's like just the
894
00:39:20.750 --> 00:39:21.849
gene of an obsessive person.
895
00:39:21.889 --> 00:39:22.349
That sounds pretty cool.
896
00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:24.019
What's sick is once you do it, it's like three
897
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:25.440
grand or something. Maybe three grand?
898
00:39:25.659 --> 00:39:27.380
Around about that. It's expensive, but it's worth it.
899
00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:29.610
It's not cheap, but it's like, they're never going to change.
900
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.639
This is my genes and my genes.
901
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.079
I always wonder with this, did you learn things you
902
00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:35.480
didn't already know about yourself?
903
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:36.539
Yes. Yes.
904
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:39.460
Because that first one you would know, like, yeah, I
905
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.079
don't handle this well, but I am able to obsess
906
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:42.760
over tasks.
907
00:39:43.030 --> 00:39:46.309
I'll give you, so the way I view these intellect stuff,
908
00:39:46.329 --> 00:39:47.730
and it's like very early days, and they're only going
909
00:39:47.750 --> 00:39:50.440
to get better and better. Have you heard about the
910
00:39:51.019 --> 00:39:53.760
Air Force study in the 1950s where they took like
911
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.920
600 Air Force pilots who were already male, certain height,
912
00:39:58.179 --> 00:40:01.920
certain build, and they tried to build like the average
913
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:02.800
cockpit for all of them.
914
00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:05.480
They tried to make the perfect cockpit by aggregating all
915
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.300
of the proportions of the pilots.
916
00:40:07.929 --> 00:40:09.969
And when they went to test this perfect cockpit that
917
00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:15.739
they built, it fit zero. because essentially averages are completely bullshit.
918
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.239
No one is average.
919
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.699
Only, I think, so it was 12 things that they
920
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.579
measured and only three of them hit 3%, so you
921
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.079
can see it here. And even that 3%, it's with
922
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:28.820
a wide range. So the 3% that hit the range,
923
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.780
for example, it would be between five, nine and six foot,
924
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.840
like that level of range. So then they realized, and
925
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.179
obviously it's so obvious now, but it's way better to
926
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.980
just build a customizable cockpit. And I think we'll look
927
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.300
back at everything like how we've grown up around the
928
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.239
way people talk about studies and magnesium and vitamin D
929
00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:49.789
and vitamin C is just absolute horseshit. Because what Gary
930
00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:52.130
should take is very different to what I should take
931
00:40:52.170 --> 00:40:56.670
and likewise with Chris. So to give you some concrete examples, one,
932
00:40:56.889 --> 00:40:59.809
I found out I was in the bottom 10% of
933
00:41:00.449 --> 00:41:02.599
magnesium absorption for my genetics. So I was like, oh,
934
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.079
I've got to take way more than if I was
935
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.619
to ask anything. I have a specific gene that I found,
936
00:41:08.659 --> 00:41:13.199
which was If I have surgery and they give me morphine,
937
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.079
I'm very unlikely to wake up with a regular dose.
938
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:17.519
It will probably kill me. So I've got to let
939
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.900
doctors know that beforehand. I'm like, oh, that's already paid
940
00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:22.400
for the test. And then everything built.
941
00:41:22.219 --> 00:41:22.699
On top of that.
942
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:29.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sleeping great. Yeah, the specifics that you
943
00:41:29.500 --> 00:41:31.960
do learn is actually pretty fascinating because then everything gets
944
00:41:32.019 --> 00:41:34.860
built on top of. Let me give you this.
945
00:41:35.460 --> 00:41:37.179
The thing that it did for me, I didn't learn
946
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.800
a tremendous amount that I didn't already know through experience,
947
00:41:39.860 --> 00:41:42.260
but it made all of my preferences feel way more legitimate.
948
00:41:42.619 --> 00:41:42.760
Right.
949
00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:43.469
Give you permission.
950
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:43.969
Yeah.
951
00:41:44.070 --> 00:41:45.690
Because I'm like, oh, this is why I like deep
952
00:41:45.730 --> 00:41:46.329
house music.
953
00:41:46.349 --> 00:41:46.570
Right.
954
00:41:46.590 --> 00:41:48.969
Because it's quite calming. So one of the coolest things,
955
00:41:49.010 --> 00:41:50.869
both of us did it, put it into your LLM,
956
00:41:50.909 --> 00:41:52.650
put all of your labs in as well. And it
957
00:41:52.690 --> 00:41:54.989
gives a different context. The coolest thing that I did,
958
00:41:55.090 --> 00:41:57.380
kind of useless, but again, made me feel more legitimate
959
00:41:57.460 --> 00:41:58.300
with my life direction.
960
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:58.420
Right.
961
00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:00.780
I was like, I've just done it again now to
962
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.260
my chat GPT project. Imagine that you know nothing about me.
963
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.949
Erase all of the information that you have exclusively based
964
00:42:07.010 --> 00:42:09.349
on my DNA genetic test. What sort of a person
965
00:42:09.449 --> 00:42:12.710
am I? And it comes back and it is fucking banger.
966
00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:16.250
Your baseline personality, high drive, high stress operator, your dopamine
967
00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:21.699
and stress genetics, COMT, AA, DBH, SLC, high baseline dopamine
968
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.960
and adrenal tone, faster mental processing, strong pattern recognition, but
969
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.630
low margin for stress before overload. You become productive, intense, goal-oriented,
970
00:42:28.710 --> 00:42:30.989
slightly on edge most of the time, but also prone
971
00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:33.730
to overthinking, easily tipped into anxiety and to sustained pressure,
972
00:42:34.030 --> 00:42:37.199
sensitive to uncertainty and social evaluation. This is not a calm,
973
00:42:37.300 --> 00:42:40.760
content temperament. It is a perform or perish nervous system.
974
00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:43.940
And it just runs that for everything. Motivation pattern, I
975
00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:46.340
need to do off and on. I can't do constant
976
00:42:46.420 --> 00:42:49.679
low-level stress. And I was like, I already knew this, right?
977
00:42:49.699 --> 00:42:52.599
Because you learn things about yourself. Both of us have
978
00:42:52.699 --> 00:42:55.780
zeroed in on doing meditation. both of us have zeroed
979
00:42:55.820 --> 00:42:58.019
in on relatively early nights, even though both of us
980
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.340
have been in previous industries that were way different. And
981
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.960
I'm like, club promotion should be fun. Like I should
982
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.539
be in a chaotic environment. I should be in a
983
00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:08.469
highly unpredictable environment, but I didn't end up there. And
984
00:43:08.510 --> 00:43:10.309
I always felt a little bit off. And as I've
985
00:43:10.349 --> 00:43:12.829
zeroed in more and more. So what it did was,
986
00:43:13.070 --> 00:43:17.269
I think, especially for people that are maybe looking for
987
00:43:17.309 --> 00:43:20.190
more justification about why they're in the lonely chapter, they're
988
00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:22.099
struggling to get through. And they're like, fuck, like, why
989
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:23.619
don't I fit in? Is there something wrong with me?
990
00:43:24.260 --> 00:43:24.599
Not at all.
991
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.440
Like, this is just your predisposition. Now, the problem that
992
00:43:27.460 --> 00:43:29.969
you can have, and it's kind of cool that this
993
00:43:30.130 --> 00:43:34.170
isn't as widespread as it might be, exactly the same
994
00:43:34.190 --> 00:43:36.329
as once you have a name for it, you're going
995
00:43:36.349 --> 00:43:40.050
to live by it. This could very much become destiny.
996
00:43:40.230 --> 00:43:41.010
Right, it comes both ways.
997
00:43:41.110 --> 00:43:41.820
Yeah, exactly.
998
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.360
I'm way less intrigued in that kind of cold reading description.
999
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.400
I'm way more interested in, like, it's like, oh, you know,
1000
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:52.119
it could have been like Virgo says this, right? But
1001
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.710
what I'm fascinated by is, So what's the strange thing?
1002
00:43:54.730 --> 00:43:57.530
People have always said I'm very, very similar to my granddad.
1003
00:43:57.590 --> 00:44:01.050
We have similar hair. I sometimes find myself closing my
1004
00:44:01.210 --> 00:44:03.429
eyes during meals and he did that. It was weird things.
1005
00:44:03.869 --> 00:44:05.469
You did that at your birthday on Monday.
1006
00:44:05.510 --> 00:44:06.150
I did.
1007
00:44:06.809 --> 00:44:09.849
And I then put in the thing. I asked the thing.
1008
00:44:09.869 --> 00:44:11.929
I go, if I'm trying to not die here, what
1009
00:44:12.110 --> 00:44:14.349
are my most likely causes of death? And they go, well,
1010
00:44:14.369 --> 00:44:16.690
your two biggest health concerns are one, glaucoma. So you'll
1011
00:44:16.730 --> 00:44:18.679
just kind of gradually go blind, which won't kill you.
1012
00:44:19.570 --> 00:44:21.320
Or you'll die of a stroke. My granddad.
1013
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:22.199
Glaucoma.
1014
00:44:22.489 --> 00:44:27.630
Phil Collins. I was going to say it. And stroke.
1015
00:44:28.030 --> 00:44:31.349
And stroke, wow. So if you've got the money, spend it.
1016
00:44:31.449 --> 00:44:33.809
It's sick, and you can have it interpreted by a
1017
00:44:33.829 --> 00:44:35.409
clinician or whatever, but you can also just do it here.
1018
00:44:35.769 --> 00:44:37.159
So I've just done the same thing. If I was
1019
00:44:37.179 --> 00:44:38.820
likely to die, what are my most likely causes of death?
1020
00:44:38.860 --> 00:44:46.039
Cardiovascular disease. Chronic stress-mediated breakdown. Ooh, that's exciting. Neurovascular neurological
1021
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.940
issues because of high signaling. Environmental toxin sensitivity. I just
1022
00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:49.900
fucking got popped by milk.
1023
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:50.739
They're going to clone you.
1024
00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:52.860
Yeah, that's true. That is for God.
1025
00:44:53.260 --> 00:44:54.659
See, I don't need a test like this to know
1026
00:44:54.699 --> 00:44:58.260
how I'm going to die.
1027
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.489
You've got agency over that, my friend. You've got agency
1028
00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:00.760
over that.
1029
00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:03.510
I'm going to have a drug-induced heart attack while flying
1030
00:45:03.570 --> 00:45:04.289
down the highway.
1031
00:45:04.690 --> 00:45:07.389
Before we continue, as you're probably aware, I'm not a
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massive drinker, at least not anymore. But even if you
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too are not drinking, sometimes you just want something cold, frosty,
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and tasty without the fear of a hangover the next day,
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which is why I'm such a huge fan of Athletic
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1052
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need to bring up something that you said at dinner
1053
00:46:10.789 --> 00:46:11.309
the other evening.
1054
00:46:11.610 --> 00:46:11.809
Oh, well.
1055
00:46:12.070 --> 00:46:15.710
Did you say that you think that people remember every
1056
00:46:15.769 --> 00:46:17.230
porn video that they've ever watched.
1057
00:46:17.630 --> 00:46:21.710
No, no, it's this, it's a private dinner with people
1058
00:46:21.730 --> 00:46:23.820
who paid to be there and you brought it up
1059
00:46:23.860 --> 00:46:28.340
on the show. No, no, no. My, my thesis is, um,
1060
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.059
like one big meta criticism I have of the U
1061
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.940
S that nobody warned me about as a Brit, um,
1062
00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:39.130
is that the toilets in America, like I could be
1063
00:46:39.170 --> 00:46:41.989
at like Dean's, like a very nice restaurant in Austin.
1064
00:46:42.269 --> 00:46:44.679
I'll be having like a, an amazing chat about Kierkegaard.
1065
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.630
Think about Kierkegaard versus Aristotle. Sorry, let me just pop
1066
00:46:48.670 --> 00:46:50.070
to the loose. I'm going to keep your face a bit.
1067
00:46:50.849 --> 00:46:54.309
You go to the loose, and in America, the cubicles,
1068
00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:57.090
you can see people's feet in them. And the worst
1069
00:46:57.139 --> 00:47:00.519
thing is, there's like this slit in every single and
1070
00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:02.400
this is nationwide you're in the women's you can be
1071
00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:04.599
in the you can be in the like a billionaire's
1072
00:47:04.699 --> 00:47:07.800
like hotel and there's a slit there which means with
1073
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.079
unisex toilets it's horrific like i don't even go in
1074
00:47:10.099 --> 00:47:12.760
the unisex toilets for this reasons you look you can
1075
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.280
see people kind of just this carousel of them sat
1076
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.099
down squatting and yeah this whole idea that when you
1077
00:47:18.139 --> 00:47:20.360
watch like graphic content it stores in your brain forever
1078
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.519
so i've just got thousands of men around austin just
1079
00:47:23.579 --> 00:47:25.219
like There, like these carousels.
1080
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:26.139
And then he went to the bathroom.
1081
00:47:26.179 --> 00:47:28.800
And this is supposed to be.
1082
00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:29.780
The number one country in the world. And like, this
1083
00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:32.320
doesn't exist in Europe. This doesn't exist in the Middle East.
1084
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:34.059
You know what you could do? Do you remember those
1085
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:38.920
things like back in the day, the first, those cycling
1086
00:47:39.019 --> 00:47:41.360
cylinders and you look through the slit and if you
1087
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.579
spin it, it makes a horse start to move. If
1088
00:47:43.619 --> 00:47:46.880
you ran really quickly down a very long series of toilets,
1089
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.699
you're just looking at these different men, like stages of pooping.
1090
00:47:52.210 --> 00:47:52.670
It's horrific.
1091
00:47:52.769 --> 00:47:55.389
Dude, you know how I know that I'm watching too
1092
00:47:55.409 --> 00:47:58.050
many graphic videos is because when you said there's a
1093
00:47:58.110 --> 00:48:00.429
horse that starts to move, I heard there's a whore
1094
00:48:00.449 --> 00:48:04.510
that starts to move. That's not good, man.
1095
00:48:04.929 --> 00:48:06.690
Every time I speak to a Brit or a European
1096
00:48:06.730 --> 00:48:08.829
now about coming to America and they think there's going
1097
00:48:08.849 --> 00:48:10.190
to be this chat about the economy, I go, this
1098
00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:11.489
is the thing that I've got to warn you about.
1099
00:48:11.750 --> 00:48:14.090
It's so surreal. And I think about this a lot.
1100
00:48:14.150 --> 00:48:16.989
You were talking earlier about life hacks, like how much
1101
00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:20.820
of life comes down to compartmentalization. which is why somebody
1102
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.139
made a great point the other day, why meditation apps
1103
00:48:23.179 --> 00:48:25.340
often don't take off on phones because you have your
1104
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.340
meditation up there, but then you have your strip club,
1105
00:48:27.699 --> 00:48:35.730
you have all this stuff there. And with these bathrooms,
1106
00:48:35.750 --> 00:48:38.789
you don't have any compartmentalization. I always say, imagine a house.
1107
00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:42.050
So my friend lives in an 80 story apartment building
1108
00:48:42.489 --> 00:48:43.630
and we kind of sat there in his house. I go,
1109
00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:47.289
if everything was glass right now, this would be horrific.
1110
00:48:48.989 --> 00:48:52.739
But because you have compartmentalization, it has such an impact.
1111
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.519
Well, your point is that you would be able to
1112
00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:57.619
see one dude's taking a dump over there and another
1113
00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.500
dude's banging his girlfriend right there.
1114
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.070
Yes. Yeah, literally just up there.
1115
00:49:01.250 --> 00:49:04.130
But we've made these arbitrary walls around us. And oh,
1116
00:49:04.150 --> 00:49:05.809
this is the edge of my safe place.
1117
00:49:06.170 --> 00:49:06.309
Yeah.
1118
00:49:06.329 --> 00:49:07.300
In the beginning of yours.
1119
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.380
Where we started, you were like, I have this thesis.
1120
00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:12.400
What did we even talk about?
1121
00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:15.289
You were talking about, somebody said something about porn? Yeah,
1122
00:49:15.309 --> 00:49:16.889
you brought up porn.
1123
00:49:16.909 --> 00:49:17.800
Genetics, porn.
1124
00:49:17.989 --> 00:49:18.820
Right, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1125
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.320
Question.
1126
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:20.699
How do you feel about feet?
1127
00:49:22.900 --> 00:49:23.260
Not a fan.
1128
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:24.079
No?
1129
00:49:24.260 --> 00:49:24.780
Gross me out.
1130
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:25.500
Not a fan.
1131
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.360
How do you feel about feet? Pretty much the same
1132
00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:27.820
as Sean.
1133
00:49:28.099 --> 00:49:29.139
How do you feel about feet?
1134
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:30.039
I'm totally neutral.
1135
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:31.860
Feet neutral? Yeah.
1136
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.139
Okay. In what capacity are we talking about here?
1137
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.860
Okay, so there is a woman who does Uber Eats.
1138
00:49:37.409 --> 00:49:40.809
and has started including photos of her feet in the
1139
00:49:40.889 --> 00:49:43.489
picture of the food drop off and her tips have
1140
00:49:43.530 --> 00:49:48.869
gone up by a ton. So this is, I mean,
1141
00:49:49.030 --> 00:49:53.570
as feet go, they're perfectly fine feet, but did not
1142
00:49:53.610 --> 00:49:55.130
realize that this would blow up fast. And this is
1143
00:49:55.190 --> 00:50:00.010
the OnlyFans pipeline. Like as soon as you post something
1144
00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:02.989
and start to get free money for it, you're like, well,
1145
00:50:03.010 --> 00:50:04.610
if I put my cash app in here and if
1146
00:50:04.630 --> 00:50:06.550
you scroll down a little bit more, she says, get
1147
00:50:06.590 --> 00:50:09.550
a rotisserie chicken or a pedicure, first rotisserie chicken allowance.
1148
00:50:09.570 --> 00:50:12.130
There we go. This is the fucking Uber Eats to
1149
00:50:12.210 --> 00:50:14.610
OnlyFans pipeline that no one is talking about.
1150
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.679
Yeah, I mean, there's like an old joke about how
1151
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.099
long does it take for a strip club waitress to
1152
00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:24.820
become a stripper?
1153
00:50:25.940 --> 00:50:26.380
Two weeks?
1154
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.699
What's this? Yeah, like basically every, not every, but a
1155
00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:36.409
lot of strip club bartenders or hosts hostesses, they just
1156
00:50:36.469 --> 00:50:39.469
end up becoming strippers. And maybe that's just a niche
1157
00:50:39.510 --> 00:50:41.849
thing that I know because of my vices.
1158
00:50:42.110 --> 00:50:43.570
Punch on for strip clubs.
1159
00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:47.429
Yeah, I guess. Dude, I used to have, you know this,
1160
00:50:47.449 --> 00:50:48.340
I think I've told you this, I used to have
1161
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.880
this pickup line when I would go to strip clubs
1162
00:50:49.900 --> 00:50:54.840
where I'd be like, hey, you look just like my
1163
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:57.500
future ex-wife. And they'd be like, oh, ha, ha, ha,
1164
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:58.920
because they've heard that a thousand times. I'd be like, no,
1165
00:50:58.940 --> 00:51:01.179
I'm just kidding. I'm like a horrible person. I've got
1166
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:02.800
a felony. I'm not allowed to see my son, so
1167
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.760
you don't want nothing to do with me. And just
1168
00:51:05.429 --> 00:51:06.750
They lean in. Every time.
1169
00:51:06.769 --> 00:51:07.090
Wow.
1170
00:51:07.750 --> 00:51:08.289
It's crazy.
1171
00:51:08.349 --> 00:51:10.449
Isn't that the fucking craziest pickup line?
1172
00:51:10.909 --> 00:51:14.050
Not really. I mean, American women have been conditioned since
1173
00:51:14.090 --> 00:51:16.309
the 50s to be into like the bad boy.
1174
00:51:16.329 --> 00:51:19.449
I mean, first of all, it was a two-parter. So
1175
00:51:19.489 --> 00:51:21.489
that already was sophistication.
1176
00:51:21.550 --> 00:51:22.650
Yeah, the old one too.
1177
00:51:22.969 --> 00:51:23.650
The old one.
1178
00:51:23.789 --> 00:51:25.840
Unbelievable.
1179
00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:27.079
That's Gary's life hack, by the way.
1180
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:28.579
Oh, yeah, yeah.
1181
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.139
He asked me for a life hack. That's what I
1182
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:30.679
came up with.
1183
00:51:30.699 --> 00:51:31.579
That's Gary's life hack.
1184
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:33.400
Jesus Christ.
1185
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:36.110
What have you got? Something... fucking notes app. I don't
1186
00:51:36.130 --> 00:51:40.699
want to hear about that. Then tell me about your
1187
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.800
Claude project instructions. I want to know how to pick
1188
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.619
up a hooker. I don't even want.
1189
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.079
To do one now.
1190
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:52.059
Have you seen the subreddit male living spaces?
1191
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:52.800
Yes.
1192
00:51:53.139 --> 00:51:53.559
It's funny.
1193
00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:57.349
It's fucking brilliant. So this is a subreddit where guys
1194
00:51:57.489 --> 00:52:01.269
post their bedrooms and their living spaces that they've sort
1195
00:52:01.289 --> 00:52:08.360
of designed. It's sort of peak bachelor... solo D-Gen life.
1196
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.780
And the photos are just fucking absolutely spectacular. This one,
1197
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.980
this first one, this guy's got a lat pull-down machine
1198
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.320
and a TV.
1199
00:52:18.409 --> 00:52:21.289
The face, Patrick Bateman.
1200
00:52:21.510 --> 00:52:23.530
Honestly, this looks... Have you ever seen Mr. Beast's office?
1201
00:52:23.690 --> 00:52:25.309
It looks exactly like this. He has a bedroom in
1202
00:52:25.329 --> 00:52:26.840
the office with a bench press right next to it,
1203
00:52:26.849 --> 00:52:27.269
just like that.
1204
00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:30.900
The woman, the fucking... Stormtrooper? Stormtrooper.
1205
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:32.269
I love it.
1206
00:52:32.579 --> 00:52:32.760
Yep.
1207
00:52:34.389 --> 00:52:37.889
There's a U-shaped couch around just a huge TV. It's
1208
00:52:38.389 --> 00:52:41.070
like literally you couldn't get in there without hitting the TV.
1209
00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:42.949
It's not even hung on the wall. The reason is
1210
00:52:42.989 --> 00:52:45.630
because he's wanting to get a big couch, but he
1211
00:52:45.650 --> 00:52:48.610
needs to get in the door. So the door won't open.
1212
00:52:48.690 --> 00:52:51.010
He can't fit the couch and the TV in without
1213
00:52:51.070 --> 00:52:52.550
not being able to open the door. That's the only
1214
00:52:52.590 --> 00:52:55.110
way he could have. That's actually some fucking Marie Kondo shit.
1215
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:02.800
Transparent fucking blow-up doll. This one's fucking great. It's an
1216
00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:05.300
industrial container with a single deck chair in the middle.
1217
00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:07.739
What's the camping chair pointing at?
1218
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:08.099
Wow.
1219
00:53:08.139 --> 00:53:08.739
That's the living room.
1220
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:10.289
Yeah, that is.
1221
00:53:10.309 --> 00:53:13.610
That's the cock chair for when I'm crushing shit. Go
1222
00:53:13.630 --> 00:53:17.710
to the next one. This is you, Gary. It's a
1223
00:53:17.969 --> 00:53:20.369
bedside table made out of just raw breeze blocks.
1224
00:53:20.630 --> 00:53:21.030
Yeah.
1225
00:53:21.710 --> 00:53:23.510
You know, when I was growing up, my dad actually
1226
00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:26.320
had our old box TV on a set of cinder
1227
00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:29.320
blocks for a period of time. The divorce hit him hard.
1228
00:53:29.420 --> 00:53:30.699
It works as drawers, too.
1229
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.380
Oh, it does work as drawers?
1230
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:36.139
Wow.
1231
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.719
It's a bottle of Kratom in every picture.
1232
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:42.599
Is it a flat in London or a prison in Norway?
1233
00:53:42.699 --> 00:53:43.519
Have you seen that?
1234
00:53:43.780 --> 00:53:45.500
Was it not British halls of residence?
1235
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:46.820
I think it was a few different ones.
1236
00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:49.940
Prison in Norway or halls of residence in the UK,
1237
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.360
I think was it. Yeah, it's because the fucking quality
1238
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:57.070
of the prisons in some Scandi countries are unbelievable.
1239
00:53:57.090 --> 00:54:00.130
Dude, yeah, I've seen those. That pisses me the fuck off.
1240
00:54:00.809 --> 00:54:02.809
The Norwegians are living in Norwegian criminals.
1241
00:54:02.829 --> 00:54:05.219
The people in prison in Norway are doing much better
1242
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:08.820
than me. It really irritates me. I'm dead serious. Because
1243
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.420
I've been known to commit a crime or two. And
1244
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.860
if I get arrested and go to prison, I'm like...
1245
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.050
If you get arrested here. Yeah, dude. Part of me
1246
00:54:20.090 --> 00:54:21.769
is like, man, maybe I should just go to Norway
1247
00:54:21.809 --> 00:54:26.050
and get in a shootout or something. I don't know.
1248
00:54:26.070 --> 00:54:28.550
You guys remember that movie, Heat?
1249
00:54:30.210 --> 00:54:32.650
I haven't seen it. The Robert De Niro film?
1250
00:54:32.909 --> 00:54:36.949
De Niro, Pacino, Val Kilmer.
1251
00:54:37.269 --> 00:54:37.469
Yeah.
1252
00:54:37.829 --> 00:54:40.309
I think Danny Trejo's even in it. But there's just
1253
00:54:40.349 --> 00:54:45.489
that old every guy's dream way they're going to go
1254
00:54:45.610 --> 00:54:47.639
out is just basically robbing a bank and getting in
1255
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:49.699
a shootout. Or maybe that's just the people I hang
1256
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.980
out with. Are you familiar with this?
1257
00:54:52.099 --> 00:54:52.619
No, no, no, no.
1258
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.650
Oh, okay. Are you what I'm talking about? You ever
1259
00:54:54.670 --> 00:54:55.269
seen those memes?
1260
00:54:55.809 --> 00:54:56.869
Yeah, that's the dream.
1261
00:54:56.929 --> 00:54:59.730
Yeah, it's just like going out in a blaze of glory, basically.
1262
00:54:59.829 --> 00:55:05.619
Or like dying out in that picture of Gosling bleeding
1263
00:55:05.659 --> 00:55:11.099
out in the snow. Like the dream snow bleed out spot. Anyways,
1264
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:14.739
I'm like, man, I'd rather just do that. It's like
1265
00:55:14.780 --> 00:55:17.739
I go to Norway and I get into some sort
1266
00:55:17.780 --> 00:55:20.320
of criminal enterprise. What's the worst thing that happens to me?
1267
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:22.429
I get to live better than I'm living here?
1268
00:55:22.449 --> 00:55:22.530
What?
1269
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.920
That's just where my mind goes. It works smarter, not harder.
1270
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:29.179
The inverse El Salvador.
1271
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:30.940
Yeah.
1272
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:31.300
Yeah.
1273
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.440
Yeah, dude. Holy shit. Well, I think the crimes that
1274
00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:37.940
are being committed in El Salvador are probably dramatically worse
1275
00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:41.320
than in Norway. You know, they were like chopping people
1276
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:42.360
up into pieces and stuff.
1277
00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:48.679
Did you follow this Citriney analyst number three story?
1278
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:49.860
No.
1279
00:55:50.300 --> 00:55:51.559
You didn't see this? No, no, no. Have you guys
1280
00:55:51.579 --> 00:55:53.219
heard about this analyst number three? No.
1281
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:53.699
What's this?
1282
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:56.210
This is amazing. This is just like a guy doing
1283
00:55:56.230 --> 00:56:00.670
a legendary thing. So the Strait of Hormuz is blocked
1284
00:56:00.710 --> 00:56:02.570
and there's the war part of it, but then there's
1285
00:56:02.590 --> 00:56:04.570
the financial part of it. You've seen like oil prices
1286
00:56:04.610 --> 00:56:07.199
going up, down, the markets are swinging. And so there's
1287
00:56:07.219 --> 00:56:11.239
this research firm called Citrini. They basically do research reports,
1288
00:56:11.579 --> 00:56:14.039
sell them to hedge funds. And so the hedge fund
1289
00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:16.500
guys want information. If they get better information than they're
1290
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.199
getting from the news or from the newspaper the next day,
1291
00:56:19.659 --> 00:56:23.590
that's worth millions and millions of dollars to them. So Citrini,
1292
00:56:23.610 --> 00:56:24.909
they're trying to figure out what the hell's going on
1293
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.980
with this blockade. And so this guy has this idea.
1294
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.940
High agency story here for you. One of the guys
1295
00:56:30.980 --> 00:56:32.199
in the office is like, what if I just go?
1296
00:56:32.219 --> 00:56:33.559
And they're like, what do you mean, what do you go?
1297
00:56:33.739 --> 00:56:35.780
He's like, what if I just go to the straight
1298
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.630
and I'll just count the boats? Like, what do you
1299
00:56:38.650 --> 00:56:39.929
mean count? He's like, I'll just see, like, how many
1300
00:56:39.969 --> 00:56:41.809
are going through. And we'll know if it's, like, blocked.
1301
00:56:41.949 --> 00:56:43.469
Because basically, they're trying to figure out, is it blocked?
1302
00:56:43.510 --> 00:56:46.130
Is it not blocked? And the crude oil prices were
1303
00:56:46.150 --> 00:56:48.550
going parabolic. And then they were crashing day over day.
1304
00:56:49.409 --> 00:56:50.690
And so they had to figure out what was going on.
1305
00:56:50.710 --> 00:56:52.809
And so this guy, basically one of their analysts, they
1306
00:56:52.829 --> 00:56:55.010
call him analyst number three, and he wrote this field blog.
1307
00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:57.690
So just, I see this, it goes, and I read
1308
00:56:57.710 --> 00:56:59.150
this and this sucked me into the story. He goes,
1309
00:56:59.889 --> 00:57:01.559
the front desk informed me there's two gentlemen from the
1310
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:05.000
CID downstairs to ask me questions. CID in the Gulf
1311
00:57:05.019 --> 00:57:07.260
is like the CIA. I checked my phone in a safe,
1312
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.639
grabbed the burner because they had seen tweets about analyst
1313
00:57:10.659 --> 00:57:12.909
number three. Thanks a lot, James. And then it says,
1314
00:57:12.989 --> 00:57:15.750
I went downstairs in my pajamas and slippers and There's
1315
00:57:15.769 --> 00:57:18.050
a piece of OPSEC you learn when you're an Arab speaker.
1316
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.519
If things is sticky, you only speak English because Arabic
1317
00:57:20.579 --> 00:57:23.019
opens the door you don't want opened. The possibility that
1318
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:25.280
you're a spy, a sympathizer, blah, blah, blah, basically play dumb.
1319
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.480
So I'll go downstairs and I say, hello guys, how
1320
00:57:27.500 --> 00:57:29.780
are you? I speak English. The hotel receptionist, the same
1321
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.360
man I've been chatting with in Arabic all day, turned
1322
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:33.760
to the agents and goes, this guy speaks perfect Arabic.
1323
00:57:34.579 --> 00:57:37.269
And so this guy blogged his entire thing. So he
1324
00:57:37.309 --> 00:57:41.809
basically left the US, went to the Middle East, They
1325
00:57:41.829 --> 00:57:45.769
show his briefcase of like what he took. It's pretty hilarious.
1326
00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:47.269
So this is what he took for his field trip.
1327
00:57:47.489 --> 00:57:48.329
His anxiety bike.
1328
00:57:48.650 --> 00:57:52.159
He's got two Zins. He brought cigars. He brought a
1329
00:57:52.420 --> 00:57:55.079
pack of clothes. And then he had like a pair
1330
00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:58.460
of Meta recording glasses. And so he goes and this
1331
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:00.920
guy makes it all the way. So he gets to
1332
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:03.780
like Oman. He bribes a guy. They bring him in.
1333
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:05.860
And they're like, he's crossing the thing. They're like, you're
1334
00:58:05.900 --> 00:58:07.639
not trying to do any journalism or anything, are you?
1335
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.800
He's like, journalism? No, I'm an adventurer, explorer. What are you?
1336
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.730
You crazy? And they're like, they check his bag. They
1337
00:58:12.750 --> 00:58:15.309
don't notice that the Ray-Bans are the glasses or the
1338
00:58:15.510 --> 00:58:18.710
camera ones. He gets through. He bribes this guy to
1339
00:58:18.730 --> 00:58:20.949
take him on a minute, like a paddle boat to
1340
00:58:20.969 --> 00:58:23.489
get into the straight. And he has footage of himself
1341
00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:26.800
on the straight, smoking a cigar, watching like the oil,
1342
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:28.780
one of the oil tankers that got attacked and counting
1343
00:58:28.820 --> 00:58:31.719
the other boats. And he realized that all the mainstream
1344
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:35.199
media was reporting that straight was closed. He's like, dude,
1345
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:37.420
I'm here. I see them. I see them going through.
1346
00:58:37.579 --> 00:58:40.480
It's not fully closed. And they were figuring out what
1347
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:43.550
was going on. It turns out, like, actually, the Iranians
1348
00:58:43.570 --> 00:58:46.190
were checking, like, if you're not U.S. affiliated and you
1349
00:58:46.329 --> 00:58:49.230
pay us a toll, we'll let you through. And that's why, like,
1350
00:58:49.409 --> 00:58:51.750
there hadn't been this huge oil shock because actually the
1351
00:58:51.769 --> 00:58:54.590
tankers were getting through. But nobody knew. Everybody was using these, like,
1352
00:58:54.820 --> 00:58:56.880
the tracking data from the boats. But he's like.
1353
00:58:57.619 --> 00:58:58.699
Some of the boats aren't going to be tracked.
1354
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.340
Yeah, they're just like, hey, watch this. They just turn
1355
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:02.940
it off. Like, we don't want to be tracked. They
1356
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:04.960
don't want us saying that we're going through. So no problem.
1357
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.800
Turn that shit off. And they would go through. And
1358
00:59:06.940 --> 00:59:08.849
so this is this epic story of this guy who
1359
00:59:08.909 --> 00:59:11.440
made it back. He got got thrown in jail for
1360
00:59:11.460 --> 00:59:13.360
a couple days and he got out.
1361
00:59:14.179 --> 00:59:15.239
Because of the CIA?
1362
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.659
No, he's just part of a research firm in New York.
1363
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:19.280
He got caught because of that.
1364
00:59:19.300 --> 00:59:21.489
They held him and they were like, We're going to
1365
00:59:21.510 --> 00:59:23.510
check you out. And then they couldn't find anything.
1366
00:59:23.530 --> 00:59:26.190
CID is the Middle Eastern equivalent of the CIA.
1367
00:59:26.550 --> 00:59:26.989
Okay, gotcha.
1368
00:59:27.030 --> 00:59:29.650
And they popped in. That actually, that bag is the
1369
00:59:29.849 --> 00:59:33.389
male equivalent of an anxiety bag. Yeah, that's what I said.
1370
00:59:33.449 --> 00:59:35.650
A full pack of Cubans, two zins and a pair
1371
00:59:35.710 --> 00:59:36.050
of pants.
1372
00:59:37.409 --> 00:59:38.030
Don't trust.
1373
00:59:38.230 --> 00:59:38.730
Verify.
1374
00:59:39.170 --> 00:59:45.039
Well, that is basically someone using dark tourism to benefit
1375
00:59:45.139 --> 00:59:47.980
from a capitalist way, similar to Lord Miles. Do you
1376
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.980
see that Lord Miles got called out by CoffeeZilla?
1377
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:50.780
No, no, no.
1378
00:59:50.820 --> 00:59:51.000
Wow.
1379
00:59:51.099 --> 00:59:53.969
So Lord Miles has done some kind of rug pull
1380
00:59:54.070 --> 00:59:56.889
that's to do with him and Polly Market that he
1381
00:59:56.929 --> 01:00:00.409
was going to do a 40 day fast and that
1382
01:00:00.489 --> 01:00:06.579
he bet just before he got picked up by the police,
1383
01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:09.059
the local police of wherever he was, someone had put
1384
01:00:09.099 --> 01:00:11.559
a huge position that he was going to lose. And
1385
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.559
it turns out if you trace that wallet back, it's
1386
01:00:13.579 --> 01:00:15.750
somebody that knows him. And then he thinks that He
1387
01:00:15.789 --> 01:00:17.469
put the bet on and then got the police to go.
1388
01:00:17.510 --> 01:00:19.300
It was like a fucking mess. But anyway, that guy
1389
01:00:19.340 --> 01:00:20.239
might as well be Lord Miles.
1390
01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:24.000
Well, speaking of the Gulf CIA, I got a story
1391
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:29.280
about a time I accidentally did a CIA field strategy,
1392
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.150
so to speak, if you guys want to hear it.
1393
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.480
When I was in college in Santa Barbara, my buddy
1394
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:38.360
and I were absolutely hammered, just wasted out of our minds.
1395
01:00:38.460 --> 01:00:40.960
And we had just run from a cab and some
1396
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:45.320
other shenanigans had occurred. And we got back to my... apartment,
1397
01:00:45.389 --> 01:00:49.750
which was on the second floor of the spot, but
1398
01:00:49.769 --> 01:00:51.889
it was on a hill. So out the window was
1399
01:00:51.929 --> 01:00:58.590
like a huge, it was like probably 60 yards to
1400
01:00:58.630 --> 01:01:01.250
a pavement, to a parking lot behind a chase bank.
1401
01:01:01.630 --> 01:01:03.369
And we were hammered and we're at this place, the
1402
01:01:03.409 --> 01:01:05.349
electricity had gone out. So all the food in the
1403
01:01:05.389 --> 01:01:07.670
fridge was bad and it smelled like shit. So we
1404
01:01:07.690 --> 01:01:09.130
just started throwing it all out the window because we
1405
01:01:09.150 --> 01:01:10.829
thought it was funny. And then we started throwing bottles
1406
01:01:10.889 --> 01:01:13.489
out the window and then like some furniture and stuff.
1407
01:01:14.110 --> 01:01:18.400
And somebody called the police. And we're sitting there. We're
1408
01:01:18.460 --> 01:01:21.079
all fucked up. And we just hear, doo, doo, doo, doo.
1409
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:24.639
Santa Barbara police, open up. And we're like, oh, fuck, dude.
1410
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.420
The cops. And he looks at me and he's like, dude,
1411
01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:29.940
get naked. And I was like, what? He was like,
1412
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.780
trust me. And I was like, all right. So we
1413
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:34.219
get butt naked. And I'm like, oh, we're definitely going
1414
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.860
to fucking jail. So I immediately went to the bathroom
1415
01:01:36.889 --> 01:01:38.929
because taking a shit in jail sucks. So I was like,
1416
01:01:38.969 --> 01:01:40.829
I'm going to go force out a turd.
1417
01:01:41.210 --> 01:01:41.429
Wow.
1418
01:01:41.630 --> 01:01:44.389
So I'm in the bathroom, and all I hear is this, like,
1419
01:01:44.510 --> 01:01:47.389
thump noise. And then I hear the door open. I
1420
01:01:47.429 --> 01:01:50.750
hear a creak, like, and it's just a cop. And
1421
01:01:50.769 --> 01:01:54.199
he goes, what the fuck? What are you doing? And
1422
01:01:54.219 --> 01:01:58.099
I hear, like, feet stumble around. And then I hear
1423
01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:01.699
my buddy go, sorry, officer, I must have forgotten my pants.
1424
01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:04.460
And the cops are like, what the fuck are you
1425
01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:07.530
talking about? And they're like, put some fucking clothes on.
1426
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:11.389
So the cops come grab me. Naked. And they realized, well,
1427
01:02:11.429 --> 01:02:13.889
they thought they realized that we were two gay dudes
1428
01:02:13.949 --> 01:02:18.360
in an argument. So we faked a homosexual domestic violence situation.
1429
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:22.500
And they were like, oh shit, these are two gay dudes.
1430
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:24.960
Yeah.
1431
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.460
So they just ended up making us go clean it
1432
01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:31.409
up because they felt bad because they thought that... Well,
1433
01:02:31.469 --> 01:02:33.010
and my buddy was a lot bigger than me, too.
1434
01:02:33.030 --> 01:02:35.289
So now I'm realizing telling this story that they probably
1435
01:02:35.329 --> 01:02:37.070
thought I was just getting beat up by this guy.
1436
01:02:37.869 --> 01:02:41.710
But anyways, so years later, I've told this story a
1437
01:02:41.750 --> 01:02:43.630
couple of times before to people. And, you know, it's funny.
1438
01:02:43.710 --> 01:02:44.090
Ha ha.
1439
01:02:44.130 --> 01:02:48.039
But years later, I find out from this guy, Jack Karaku,
1440
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:49.139
CIA dude.
1441
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:50.179
Yeah.
1442
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.519
This is like an old CIA strategy that they employ
1443
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.099
all the time. I didn't even know. Play the play
1444
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:56.780
the video here.
1445
01:02:57.429 --> 01:02:59.650
Headquarters says, we want you to pretend that you're gay.
1446
01:02:59.730 --> 01:03:00.590
I said, oh, come on.
1447
01:03:01.150 --> 01:03:02.650
No, we really need the information.
1448
01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:04.130
You got to pretend that you're gay. I said, okay,
1449
01:03:04.150 --> 01:03:05.679
I'll do it. I'll do it for Uncle Santa.
1450
01:03:05.780 --> 01:03:08.119
So I called him and I said, hey, I have
1451
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.960
two tickets to this show. And I was hoping maybe
1452
01:03:10.980 --> 01:03:14.400
you'd be free. Maybe we'll grab some sushi afterwards. He said, yeah,
1453
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:15.949
I'd love to. So we get to the show. He
1454
01:03:16.010 --> 01:03:17.989
thoroughly enjoyed it. And we go for sushi afterwards. Then
1455
01:03:18.010 --> 01:03:19.730
we go out again and he says, why don't you
1456
01:03:19.750 --> 01:03:21.769
go over to my place some night and I'll make dinner.
1457
01:03:21.789 --> 01:03:22.230
I said, great.
1458
01:03:22.250 --> 01:03:23.389
So I go over to his place. He made a
1459
01:03:23.429 --> 01:03:25.010
lovely dinner. And then I thought, well, I have to
1460
01:03:25.050 --> 01:03:26.469
invite him to my place. So I told my wife,
1461
01:03:26.489 --> 01:03:28.030
you're going to have to like get out.
1462
01:03:28.090 --> 01:03:28.690
So she left.
1463
01:03:28.769 --> 01:03:29.289
I made dinner.
1464
01:03:29.369 --> 01:03:31.409
I removed all the pictures of us together. And we
1465
01:03:31.429 --> 01:03:33.449
had just gotten married. So we had like our wedding
1466
01:03:33.510 --> 01:03:35.829
picture up and everything. At the dinner, he leaned in
1467
01:03:35.849 --> 01:03:38.449
to kiss me and I instinctively backed off. And he said,
1468
01:03:38.489 --> 01:03:40.300
oh my God, I'm sorry. I thought you're gay. And
1469
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.039
I said, oh no, I am gay.
1470
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.099
I'm not into hairy guys. And he's like, oh.
1471
01:03:45.539 --> 01:03:47.619
Okay. I said, I'm sorry. I think you're great.
1472
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:49.179
I'm not feeling it.
1473
01:03:49.300 --> 01:03:49.789
You didn't kiss him?
1474
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:50.659
No.
1475
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.840
And I think there's another, there's, I don't remember if
1476
01:03:53.860 --> 01:03:55.670
it was him, but there was another person who used
1477
01:03:55.710 --> 01:03:58.409
an example of faking they were gay to like get
1478
01:03:58.449 --> 01:04:00.989
out of trouble. But yeah, just, that's another life hack
1479
01:04:01.030 --> 01:04:01.409
for you.
1480
01:04:02.170 --> 01:04:02.909
Just get naked.
1481
01:04:03.389 --> 01:04:03.670
Yeah.
1482
01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:07.070
I mean, could you not just appear gay rather than
1483
01:04:07.090 --> 01:04:08.719
be naked? Because who fights naked?
1484
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:12.880
Two gay dudes banging.
1485
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:14.039
Okay, okay, okay.
1486
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:16.659
What are you doing? The idea that you were so
1487
01:04:16.739 --> 01:04:19.739
small that they thought, this guy's a world-renowned power bottom.
1488
01:04:19.900 --> 01:04:23.639
I can't believe he's getting fucking pounded from every angle.
1489
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:27.039
God, yeah. It's not a good look looking back on it.
1490
01:04:27.570 --> 01:04:28.610
Why have you got trash in your truck?
1491
01:04:30.469 --> 01:04:33.769
Well, I got another life hack for you, Chris. Remember
1492
01:04:33.789 --> 01:04:36.889
to take out your trash cans. I got a couple
1493
01:04:36.909 --> 01:04:38.730
of bags of garbage in the back of my truck
1494
01:04:38.750 --> 01:04:42.019
that he commented on when I pulled up. And he's like,
1495
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:43.500
why do you have like four bags of garbage? And
1496
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.460
I was like, well, I Forgot to take out the
1497
01:04:45.500 --> 01:04:47.659
trash two weeks in a row, so there's just a
1498
01:04:47.699 --> 01:04:49.539
bunch of trash. You use it in the bed of
1499
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:49.760
your truck?
1500
01:04:49.780 --> 01:04:51.599
You just carry it around as additional- Yeah, it's just
1501
01:04:51.659 --> 01:04:52.599
in the bed of the truck.
1502
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:53.380
Damn.
1503
01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:55.539
There's a dumpster behind a movie theater that I'm going
1504
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.019
to go throw it out in after this, actually. Thanks
1505
01:04:58.039 --> 01:04:59.119
for reminding me. You're welcome.
1506
01:04:59.179 --> 01:05:01.760
You could do a full season. Three months like that.
1507
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.420
With just 20 bags of trash in the truck?
1508
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:05.679
So you have three life hacks.
1509
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:06.219
That's pretty good.
1510
01:05:06.340 --> 01:05:07.260
Yeah, three life hacks.
1511
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:08.340
One more and you do it for all of us.
1512
01:05:08.539 --> 01:05:13.039
One is really conspiracy and- I'm addicted to Kratom. That's
1513
01:05:13.059 --> 01:05:14.619
what I'm bringing to the table today.
1514
01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:16.039
Did you have a life hack? That was good.
1515
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:16.460
I'll go on.
1516
01:05:16.900 --> 01:05:19.199
Well, you know, the first ever series that I did
1517
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.739
on the show was life hacks. So there's like a
1518
01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:23.699
thousand that I've got to pick from. But the one
1519
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:25.639
that I've been using the most, especially because I just
1520
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.030
got back from tour, was in Australia, New Zealand and Bali,
1521
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:32.670
is an app called Flighty. So Flighty connects with your email.
1522
01:05:33.690 --> 01:05:36.150
And when you book flights, it automatically pulls it over.
1523
01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:39.260
And it tells you, everything that's going on with your
1524
01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:41.429
flight what gate you're going out of where your plane
1525
01:05:41.489 --> 01:05:44.030
is inbound where it's going to go when you're on
1526
01:05:44.269 --> 01:05:46.349
the journey as well it also tracks everything so it
1527
01:05:46.389 --> 01:05:48.630
pre-downloads the map so that when you're flying in the
1528
01:05:48.670 --> 01:05:50.690
air even without wi-fi it knows sort of how long
1529
01:05:50.710 --> 01:05:52.630
the journey is going to be can give you information
1530
01:05:52.690 --> 01:05:54.860
about what the wait time is going to be like
1531
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.099
at your future destination connection times gate to gate what
1532
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.300
carousel your baggage is going to be at it lives
1533
01:06:00.340 --> 01:06:02.440
in just a little island at the top you know
1534
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:05.789
the floating island thing at the And it just fucking rules, dude.
1535
01:06:05.809 --> 01:06:07.630
Like the number of times that there's been some last
1536
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:10.960
minute bullshit change. And because I'm not watching the board
1537
01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:12.619
or I've got my AirPods in, you're just in an
1538
01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:15.860
airport doing your thing. It's just on your phone. It's
1539
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:18.119
quicker than the app. There was one flight that got
1540
01:06:18.179 --> 01:06:21.159
diverted from Austin because Gale Force winds got diverted to Houston.
1541
01:06:21.610 --> 01:06:25.050
And I was recording with Andrew Schultz that day. It's like, fuck,
1542
01:06:25.070 --> 01:06:27.590
like I need to get back. This better not be later, blah, blah, blah.
1543
01:06:27.610 --> 01:06:29.489
And I thought it was great. And then the plane
1544
01:06:30.030 --> 01:06:32.719
just did whoop. like that, took up again as it
1545
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.030
was coming in to land. And I was like, oh,
1546
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:35.880
it must be coming back around for another one. Before
1547
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.110
the pilot even came over the tannoy, it updated and
1548
01:06:40.150 --> 01:06:42.349
said like, you're now basically you're landing in Houston. And
1549
01:06:42.369 --> 01:06:45.190
I was like, oh, so in some ways it can
1550
01:06:45.210 --> 01:06:48.539
be disappointing before everybody else knows, but it's fucking great flighty.
1551
01:06:48.579 --> 01:06:50.360
And it's like, 30 bucks a year. And you can
1552
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.159
have friends on it as well. You can add friends
1553
01:06:52.219 --> 01:06:53.940
flights to it. So if you've got a, your missus
1554
01:06:53.980 --> 01:06:56.260
is flying in, you don't need to do it. It's
1555
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.699
fucking epic. A quick aside. Look, you know, sleep matters,
1556
01:06:59.739 --> 01:07:02.320
but let's be real. Most nights you're probably not getting
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1560
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heats each side of the bed up to 20 degrees.
1561
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They've even added a temperature regulating duvet and pillowcase. So
1562
01:07:16.050 --> 01:07:18.710
you and your partner can sleep at your preferred temperatures. Covered,
1563
01:07:19.110 --> 01:07:22.630
heads to toe like some temperature-controlled mummy. Plus, it's got
1564
01:07:22.650 --> 01:07:25.449
upgraded sensors that run health checks when you're asleep, tracking
1565
01:07:25.469 --> 01:07:29.110
things like abnormal heartbeats and breathing issues and sudden HRV changes.
1566
01:07:29.150 --> 01:07:32.389
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1567
01:07:32.489 --> 01:07:35.570
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1568
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sleep They even detect when you're snoring and lift your
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01:07:38.219 --> 01:07:40.110
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of all, they have a 30-day sleep trial, so you
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can buy it and sleep on it for 29 nights.
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And if you don't like it, they will just give
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1581
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My life hack at the minute is it's more kind
1582
01:08:11.980 --> 01:08:15.130
of a philosophical stance to some extent. I think of
1583
01:08:15.170 --> 01:08:17.770
a lot of gibberish that comes up where it's probably
1584
01:08:17.789 --> 01:08:20.989
in the last 20 years. There's this particular discourse that
1585
01:08:21.010 --> 01:08:24.409
happens online, but also in books where you'll see, we'll
1586
01:08:24.710 --> 01:08:27.829
make a point and then we'll go, So this study says,
1587
01:08:28.949 --> 01:08:32.689
or studies say, and I think what happens for me
1588
01:08:32.729 --> 01:08:36.760
for a while now, previously I would default to whatever
1589
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:39.659
this person's about to say now is completely true. But
1590
01:08:39.739 --> 01:08:43.760
often my new default is whatever this person is about
1591
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:47.319
to say now is complete horseshit. Um, because first off,
1592
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:49.819
my friend Billy made this great point of, do you
1593
01:08:49.899 --> 01:08:53.689
know anybody who's been in a study? Um, Then have
1594
01:08:53.710 --> 01:08:56.079
you actually ever inspected a lot of these studies? So
1595
01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:58.569
I think previously what people used to do nine out
1596
01:08:58.609 --> 01:09:00.409
of 10 times, they would believe the study's true and
1597
01:09:00.489 --> 01:09:02.069
one out of 10 is gibberish. I actually think the
1598
01:09:02.090 --> 01:09:03.930
policy is much better the other way, that nine out
1599
01:09:04.029 --> 01:09:06.449
of 10 studies that you hear about, particularly psychological studies,
1600
01:09:06.810 --> 01:09:09.979
guess what? Physics doesn't need a study. Physics goes, here's
1601
01:09:10.020 --> 01:09:12.119
how it works. And you want to always opt, like
1602
01:09:12.180 --> 01:09:13.899
it's kind of the Deutsch argument, you always want to
1603
01:09:13.939 --> 01:09:17.399
go for good explanations rather than studies of psych grads
1604
01:09:17.789 --> 01:09:20.270
with people that had a specific hypothesis they wanted to
1605
01:09:20.310 --> 01:09:23.060
confirm beforehand. And you'll often see these things that go
1606
01:09:23.100 --> 01:09:25.539
viral on Twitter that get 4 million views. It's like
1607
01:09:25.539 --> 01:09:29.239
15 participants of like college mails that are then making like,
1608
01:09:29.420 --> 01:09:31.159
then the Daily Mail covers it, the Telegraph covers it.
1609
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:32.920
Huge sweeping generalizations.
1610
01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:36.710
It's one giant scam. The other one is, my favorite
1611
01:09:36.810 --> 01:09:42.949
one is science says, or science backed, or trust the science.
1612
01:09:43.029 --> 01:09:46.359
And my new default is, If somebody says this, they're
1613
01:09:46.380 --> 01:09:49.779
about to say something that's completely unscientific. Because by definition... Oh,
1614
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:53.510
sorry about that. By definition, if something is science-backed... I
1615
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.489
didn't invest. There we go. If something is science... If
1616
01:09:56.529 --> 01:09:56.939
something is.
1617
01:09:56.949 --> 01:10:00.079
Fucking eutonics has research-backed ingredients on the side of it.
1618
01:10:00.109 --> 01:10:00.909
Research-backed a little bit.
1619
01:10:01.890 --> 01:10:04.130
I can say firsthand, this shit definitely works.
1620
01:10:04.649 --> 01:10:05.369
I guess the question is.
1621
01:10:07.149 --> 01:10:09.649
But then actually investigate what the research is essentially saying,
1622
01:10:09.670 --> 01:10:11.949
which most of us, we just default to this is true.
1623
01:10:12.010 --> 01:10:15.430
So I read Adam Mastroianni, Experimental History. Everyone needs to
1624
01:10:15.489 --> 01:10:19.329
subscribe on Substack. Fucking rules. And he posted today, there
1625
01:10:19.350 --> 01:10:21.909
was a wonderful one-two part of Living Fossils that Rob
1626
01:10:21.939 --> 01:10:25.000
Kurzban does. And Experimental History had these two things about
1627
01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:30.220
the replication crisis. And Adam's entire point is that psychological
1628
01:10:30.300 --> 01:10:34.060
theories don't ever be killed. They just become embarrassing. So
1629
01:10:35.020 --> 01:10:39.329
power posing... been completely disproven but has now just been
1630
01:10:39.430 --> 01:10:43.630
sort of retconned into it's like expansive posture science and
1631
01:10:43.689 --> 01:10:46.989
stuff they've just renamed it uh growth mindset total bullshit
1632
01:10:47.270 --> 01:10:50.449
totally does not replicate uh ego depletion like willpower stuff
1633
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.079
total total bullshit does not replicate.
1634
01:10:52.939 --> 01:10:54.939
But what about retard maxing.
1635
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:57.380
Retard maxing actually is at the forefront of cutting psychological
1636
01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:58.460
science if.
1637
01:10:58.420 --> 01:11:01.020
It doesn't replicate do a 360?
1638
01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:03.260
Moonwalk out of there.
1639
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.779
The problem with the replication stuff is that it goes
1640
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:07.960
back to the conversation we had around genetics that actually
1641
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:11.520
some of this stuff may work for certain people depending
1642
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:13.979
on their specific genetic set. What you may have is
1643
01:11:13.979 --> 01:11:16.119
10% it really, really works for and 90% it doesn't
1644
01:11:16.140 --> 01:11:19.439
do anything, which is a way more fascinating conversation. But
1645
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.720
as soon as you just default to it feels like
1646
01:11:22.189 --> 01:11:23.949
I have a point that disagrees with Gary now, and
1647
01:11:24.069 --> 01:11:26.550
I'm just going to say, well, studies say, and I've won.
1648
01:11:26.789 --> 01:11:29.229
And there's never any like critical conversation around, well, can
1649
01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:32.979
you explain the specific variables here that causes this outcome?
1650
01:11:33.020 --> 01:11:35.260
It's just studies say, oh, let me tell you about
1651
01:11:35.300 --> 01:11:38.899
this study. Increased skepticism. Is that what you're saying? Yes,
1652
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:39.880
as a whole.
1653
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:40.579
Including around those.
1654
01:11:40.619 --> 01:11:41.039
All the way up.
1655
01:11:41.220 --> 01:11:43.250
I think the other side of that, the life hack
1656
01:11:43.329 --> 01:11:45.930
is use this all the time because for every one
1657
01:11:46.010 --> 01:11:49.569
George who's skeptical, out of 100 people, how many have
1658
01:11:49.609 --> 01:11:50.050
your stance?
1659
01:11:50.590 --> 01:11:52.130
Oh, it's the other way, yeah.
1660
01:11:52.270 --> 01:11:54.050
Yeah, it's going to be 99. So actually, like, the
1661
01:11:54.090 --> 01:11:55.670
hack is just start saying study say. There's actually a
1662
01:11:55.670 --> 01:11:58.130
study about this. Even when there's no study at all,
1663
01:11:58.170 --> 01:11:59.550
and everybody will take you very seriously.
1664
01:11:59.689 --> 01:12:02.869
It's similar to how people reference mainstream media, even though,
1665
01:12:03.210 --> 01:12:05.890
like you said, with the straight, how there were still
1666
01:12:05.930 --> 01:12:07.470
ships going through there, and the media was saying that
1667
01:12:07.489 --> 01:12:10.229
they weren't. Yeah. It's the same thing, right? Where somebody,
1668
01:12:10.270 --> 01:12:12.869
instead of referencing a study, they're like, well, Fox News said,
1669
01:12:13.489 --> 01:12:15.229
or CNN, or whatever bullshit.
1670
01:12:14.909 --> 01:12:16.350
People- Appeal to social authority.
1671
01:12:16.390 --> 01:12:16.569
Yes.
1672
01:12:16.609 --> 01:12:17.069
Yeah. Yeah.
1673
01:12:17.770 --> 01:12:20.569
Dude, speaking of which, that actually ties into the other
1674
01:12:20.590 --> 01:12:22.390
thing I sent you. Did you guys hear about the
1675
01:12:22.930 --> 01:12:27.470
Stop Nick Shirley Act in California? Dude, this is crazy.
1676
01:12:27.890 --> 01:12:30.090
Because he's trying to do the same thing he did
1677
01:12:30.130 --> 01:12:31.449
in Minnesota and California, right?
1678
01:12:32.170 --> 01:12:33.850
He needs to do that in Puerto Rico, dude.
1679
01:12:34.510 --> 01:12:35.229
Seriously.
1680
01:12:35.329 --> 01:12:36.869
If you could enlist the places.
1681
01:12:37.029 --> 01:12:39.250
So California has this act now?
1682
01:12:40.010 --> 01:12:43.449
This is the bill right here. They basically put together
1683
01:12:43.489 --> 01:12:47.170
this legislation. that says, it's called the Stop Nick Shirley Act.
1684
01:12:47.180 --> 01:12:47.399
Wait, there?
1685
01:12:47.420 --> 01:12:49.180
Is this like a draft? Why is there like- Existing
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01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.880
law prohibits a person, business, or association from knowingly publicly
1687
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:54.729
posting or publicly disclosing or distributing on internet websites or
1688
01:12:54.750 --> 01:12:56.729
on social media the personal information or image of any
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01:12:56.829 --> 01:13:01.369
designated healthcare services patient, provider, or assistant or other individuals
1690
01:13:01.409 --> 01:13:03.859
residing at the same home address with the intent to
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01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:08.300
incite a third person- to cause imminent great bodily harm
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01:13:08.340 --> 01:13:11.100
to the person identified in the posting or display or
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01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:14.159
to a co-resident of that person as specified or to
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01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:16.420
threaten the person identified in the posting or display or
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01:13:16.500 --> 01:13:18.300
a co-resident of that person as specified.
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01:13:18.579 --> 01:13:22.840
So it's basically an extreme fascist bill that they're trying
1697
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.659
to pass to prevent people from exposing fraud.
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01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:31.460
So you think that they're getting out ahead of having
1699
01:13:31.699 --> 01:13:35.250
exposed in California what was exposed in Minnesota? and by
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01:13:35.449 --> 01:13:37.890
making it essentially this kind of investigational league.
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01:13:37.909 --> 01:13:42.170
Yeah, and that's of interest to me, given all the
1702
01:13:43.609 --> 01:13:49.760
financial stuff, I suppose, down in Puerto Rico. But if
1703
01:13:49.779 --> 01:13:52.000
you strap like that and map it onto freedom of
1704
01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:55.119
speech as a whole, this is a big problem. I mean,
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01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:56.239
I don't know.
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01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.189
This shit is fucking gnarly, dude. Having to read this thing,
1707
01:13:59.329 --> 01:14:00.310
like the, here we go.
1708
01:14:00.810 --> 01:14:03.250
This guy, yeah, he explains it a little bit better here.
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01:14:03.909 --> 01:14:06.420
It warns that it would restrict the release of investigative
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01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:10.640
videos and impose penalties on watchdogs who expose fraud. I mean,
1711
01:14:10.659 --> 01:14:12.500
I don't really believe in the two-party system. I think
1712
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:15.699
they're all just too... Everybody's full of shit, but it
1713
01:14:15.779 --> 01:14:18.489
is a Democrat that put this out. And of course,
1714
01:14:18.550 --> 01:14:21.409
there's the backlash from this guy is probably a Republican.
1715
01:14:21.430 --> 01:14:23.710
So it sounds like what they're saying is when he
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01:14:23.770 --> 01:14:27.720
exposed the Somali learning centers, that then creates sort of
1717
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.140
hostile potential violence against the Somali people. So in order
1718
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:35.359
to protect... threats of violence against immigrants, here's this act.
1719
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.319
Right, right, right. Which is totally like a load of
1720
01:14:38.380 --> 01:14:42.060
bullshit because the real way you would protect from somebody
1721
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:44.600
being harassed like that is to stop the fraud in
1722
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.319
the first place from happening.
1723
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:49.960
Yeah, or just separately prevent like violence in the way
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01:14:49.979 --> 01:14:50.979
that we prevent assault.
1725
01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:51.340
Yeah, yeah.
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01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:54.100
Or I mean, I'm just saying that, yeah, there's a
1727
01:14:54.180 --> 01:14:57.960
number of other ways to handle it. But yeah, it's crazy, right? Yeah.
1728
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:00.600
I was looking at this the other day. I'm kind
1729
01:15:00.649 --> 01:15:05.189
of interested in, how it plays out, you know, you're, you're, you.
1730
01:15:05.090 --> 01:15:08.050
Do a lot of investigative journalism, right? You were down in, uh,
1731
01:15:08.109 --> 01:15:10.850
Palisades almost immediately after the fire exposing a ton of
1732
01:15:10.869 --> 01:15:14.329
stuff around FEMA. Uh, you've done the Puerto Rico thing.
1733
01:15:14.609 --> 01:15:16.390
What are the like big ones have you done recently?
1734
01:15:17.369 --> 01:15:22.899
Um, well, after going to Puerto Rico, I, I kind of, uh, was,
1735
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:26.399
I shelved the, the deep dive investigations because it's so
1736
01:15:26.420 --> 01:15:30.250
much work to look through all the Just everything, dude.
1737
01:15:30.270 --> 01:15:32.350
It was also really, it was fucked up, man. Like
1738
01:15:32.489 --> 01:15:35.649
people in Puerto Rico don't have, we met a guy
1739
01:15:35.670 --> 01:15:38.189
who doesn't have a fucking roof still. Wow. He hasn't
1740
01:15:38.210 --> 01:15:42.380
had electricity for eight years. It's crazy, dude. You got
1741
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:43.720
to watch it. I don't know if I ever sent
1742
01:15:43.739 --> 01:15:44.029
it to you.
1743
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:44.920
You didn't send me this one.
1744
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:50.640
Yeah. It's insane. In theory, I mean, I can give
1745
01:15:50.659 --> 01:15:55.930
you the layout real fast. Basically in 2016, Congress with
1746
01:15:56.060 --> 01:15:59.189
Obama's approval signed off on a financial board that more
1747
01:15:59.210 --> 01:16:01.310
or less acts like the shadow government of Puerto Rico now.
1748
01:16:01.710 --> 01:16:07.100
And they've funneled around $ 2 billion of taxpayer money, Puerto
1749
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:12.520
Rican taxpayer money, off the island to Wall Street consultants, executives,
1750
01:16:12.659 --> 01:16:16.859
and attorneys to consult on the bankruptcy down there because
1751
01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:20.439
the whole island is bankrupt. And part of that process
1752
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:23.479
is to resolve the PREPA bankruptcy, which is the Puerto
1753
01:16:23.500 --> 01:16:27.560
Rican Electric Power Authority. It's the government power company. And
1754
01:16:27.579 --> 01:16:30.800
then it was privatized with this company, Luma and yada, yada, yada.
1755
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:34.300
The power is horribly unreliable down there. It's one of
1756
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:38.229
the most expensive in the entire country. And they're basically
1757
01:16:38.270 --> 01:16:43.310
having money funneled off the island. And they're all more
1758
01:16:43.329 --> 01:16:45.329
or less connected to Wall Street, but it's crazy. And
1759
01:16:45.350 --> 01:16:47.069
the reason I bring that up in relation to this
1760
01:16:47.130 --> 01:16:52.649
is because, you know, the Somalian daycare thing, sure, there's
1761
01:16:52.689 --> 01:16:54.670
some stuff going on there, but Puerto Rico has been
1762
01:16:55.369 --> 01:16:58.640
basically getting shit on forever. And I think this is
1763
01:16:58.739 --> 01:17:01.119
possibly an even worse situation that's going on down there.
1764
01:17:01.180 --> 01:17:04.199
And they just revoked some transparency act down there too
1765
01:17:04.270 --> 01:17:06.550
recently in the past like four or five months.
1766
01:17:06.569 --> 01:17:08.029
They're going to try and get out ahead of people
1767
01:17:08.069 --> 01:17:09.270
that are doing investigative journalism.
1768
01:17:09.350 --> 01:17:10.850
I mean, that's what it seems like to me. They
1769
01:17:10.869 --> 01:17:12.850
don't want, they want it to be more difficult for
1770
01:17:12.949 --> 01:17:16.409
people to FOIA request stuff essentially. Like one of the
1771
01:17:16.449 --> 01:17:18.630
things they revoked on the transparency act down there in
1772
01:17:18.649 --> 01:17:22.989
Puerto Rico was when you, when you request information, it
1773
01:17:23.180 --> 01:17:25.319
doesn't show who you are specifically.
1774
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:25.539
Right.
1775
01:17:26.930 --> 01:17:29.409
To the people that you're requesting it from, but they're
1776
01:17:29.449 --> 01:17:31.529
changing that so that they can see. So they'll be like, oh,
1777
01:17:31.930 --> 01:17:34.770
Gary Faust, the guy that's been talking a bunch of
1778
01:17:34.810 --> 01:17:38.149
shit about us is requesting this information. We're going to
1779
01:17:38.229 --> 01:17:41.210
deny that. It's crazy, but this is similar to that.
1780
01:17:41.270 --> 01:17:42.869
And I think this is actually- You.
1781
01:17:42.710 --> 01:17:45.250
Brand it as the Transparency Act because who can say
1782
01:17:45.270 --> 01:17:46.050
no to transparency?
1783
01:17:46.130 --> 01:17:49.390
It was existing legislation that was put into place. Transparency
1784
01:17:49.550 --> 01:17:51.609
equals good. Yeah.
1785
01:17:52.090 --> 01:17:53.550
But yeah, this is crazy.
1786
01:17:53.590 --> 01:17:54.810
I don't even know what else to say about it
1787
01:17:54.829 --> 01:17:57.479
because not much has transpired, but In my field of work,
1788
01:17:58.340 --> 01:18:03.180
I mean, that would basically prevent me from doing my job.
1789
01:18:04.510 --> 01:18:06.189
I have a quote that I love. This is a
1790
01:18:06.189 --> 01:18:08.989
little more positive. I feel like we've had some conspiracy,
1791
01:18:09.010 --> 01:18:13.109
some darkness, some getting in trouble. I want to bring
1792
01:18:13.130 --> 01:18:15.250
a little positivity here.
1793
01:18:15.270 --> 01:18:15.810
All right.
1794
01:18:16.050 --> 01:18:19.390
So I saw this quote from Blake Mycoskie who created
1795
01:18:19.430 --> 01:18:21.909
Tom's Shoes. I don't know if you guys have seen this,
1796
01:18:21.930 --> 01:18:23.810
but he's like, I've had this on the wall of
1797
01:18:23.850 --> 01:18:26.010
every office. He says, a master... in the art of
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01:18:26.050 --> 01:18:28.840
living draws no sharp distinction between his work and his play,
1799
01:18:29.260 --> 01:18:31.319
his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body,
1800
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.420
his education and recreation. He hardly knows which is which.
1801
01:18:34.460 --> 01:18:37.140
He simply pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he's
1802
01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.899
doing and leaves others to determine if he is working
1803
01:18:39.939 --> 01:18:42.710
or playing. To him, he always appears to be doing both.
1804
01:18:43.430 --> 01:18:45.409
And I just like that to me has just been
1805
01:18:45.430 --> 01:18:50.340
a very useful, I don't know, guidepost or like oh yeah,
1806
01:18:50.350 --> 01:18:53.180
like that is the highest calling. If you yourself basically
1807
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:56.439
don't differentiate between your work and your play or, you know,
1808
01:18:56.539 --> 01:18:59.439
are you, is this something that you have to do
1809
01:18:59.500 --> 01:19:01.079
or you should do or you want to do, the
1810
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:03.699
more those blend together and the less you sort of
1811
01:19:03.819 --> 01:19:06.899
bucket things, I think the more you solve the problem
1812
01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:09.520
of balance that I think nobody feels like they have.
1813
01:19:10.130 --> 01:19:11.529
And so I just thought this was awesome, and I'm
1814
01:19:11.550 --> 01:19:12.989
going to put this up in my office wall.
1815
01:19:13.470 --> 01:19:16.409
This seems similar to what Michael was talking about, the
1816
01:19:16.470 --> 01:19:19.270
childlike thing. Remember on the first episode that we did?
1817
01:19:19.409 --> 01:19:23.949
And he quoted some scripture. He said, be childlike, my children,
1818
01:19:23.989 --> 01:19:26.689
or something like that. I think one of the problems
1819
01:19:27.029 --> 01:19:30.819
that you have is working for yourself sounds great because
1820
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:34.159
it sounds like choose whenever you want to work. But
1821
01:19:34.180 --> 01:19:36.380
for most people, what it results in being is just
1822
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:38.640
work all the time because there's no one to tell
1823
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:42.810
you to stop. And a great idea to think about
1824
01:19:44.369 --> 01:19:47.050
if this doesn't feel like play to me, scrutinize it
1825
01:19:47.210 --> 01:19:49.170
and maybe try and get rid of whatever I can
1826
01:19:49.310 --> 01:19:54.590
from this particular area of my life. But when you're
1827
01:19:54.609 --> 01:19:57.479
compelled by, oh, well, I just want to be more
1828
01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:00.779
successful and more well-known, that is rewarding in and of itself,
1829
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:03.619
but it's not the type of reward that you want.
1830
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:07.060
So you need to almost be skeptical and discerning in
1831
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:09.260
the rewards that you get too. This feels like play.
1832
01:20:09.649 --> 01:20:14.140
But it might actually be just shallow juvenile status seeking,
1833
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.859
or it might be me playing the game of accumulating
1834
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:19.939
money when I already have enough. It's that line from
1835
01:20:20.380 --> 01:20:23.460
James Clear where he says, if you already live a
1836
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:26.460
good lifestyle and you sacrifice it in order to make
1837
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.899
more money, by definition, it's a bad trade. And I
1838
01:20:29.930 --> 01:20:34.909
think sometimes people are bad at distinguishing, determining what is
1839
01:20:34.949 --> 01:20:37.350
and is not play. What is and is not just
1840
01:20:37.550 --> 01:20:39.630
more like limbic rewards. Does that make sense?
1841
01:20:39.670 --> 01:20:42.270
So there's this book that I'm reading that talks exactly
1842
01:20:42.289 --> 01:20:43.750
about this. It's called The Score. You guys ever heard
1843
01:20:43.770 --> 01:20:48.140
of this book? It's basically this guy who's a philosophy professor,
1844
01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:50.479
but he loved games growing up. He always plays games.
1845
01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:53.079
He uses games as this analogy. And I think in general,
1846
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.579
a far more important thing in life than being a
1847
01:20:56.619 --> 01:20:59.689
good player is picking a good game. Because it's very
1848
01:20:59.810 --> 01:21:02.770
easy to be, you know, you were talking about Joey Chestnut.
1849
01:21:02.729 --> 01:21:03.210
Earlier, right?
1850
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:05.560
I mean, like, you know, the philosopher, Joey.
1851
01:21:06.460 --> 01:21:08.859
No knock on him. But like, just generally choosing to
1852
01:21:08.899 --> 01:21:12.050
be a competitive eater, not the best game to play
1853
01:21:12.060 --> 01:21:13.829
in life, right? Like you could choose many things to
1854
01:21:13.850 --> 01:21:16.489
try to be great at. There are some that are
1855
01:21:16.510 --> 01:21:19.130
better and worse. Every game comes with a scoreboard. The
1856
01:21:19.149 --> 01:21:22.649
scoreboard is very unique in that it basically programs you,
1857
01:21:22.770 --> 01:21:26.189
rewires your mind for what you now want. The game
1858
01:21:26.250 --> 01:21:29.729
dictates what you want. because it says that's how you win.
1859
01:21:29.770 --> 01:21:32.430
This is the scoreboard, so therefore I've implanted a desire.
1860
01:21:32.449 --> 01:21:33.770
Your behavior change is appropriate.
1861
01:21:33.850 --> 01:21:35.930
And then it tells you who you need, and then
1862
01:21:35.949 --> 01:21:37.590
it changes your identity. Who do you need to be
1863
01:21:37.630 --> 01:21:39.069
to win this game? So you play Call of Duty,
1864
01:21:39.090 --> 01:21:41.619
you better be a psychopathic murderer, right? You got to
1865
01:21:41.659 --> 01:21:44.279
be ruthless. You play charades, you better be a team player,
1866
01:21:44.300 --> 01:21:47.319
a great communicator. You play poker, you better be great
1867
01:21:47.340 --> 01:21:49.800
at the art of deception. And so the game you
1868
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:53.199
choose will not only choose for you what you want,
1869
01:21:53.770 --> 01:21:56.250
it'll choose your motivation, it'll end up dictating your identity.
1870
01:21:56.430 --> 01:21:57.670
Who do you need to be to win that game?
1871
01:21:58.060 --> 01:22:00.640
So he talks about like, you know, he became a
1872
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:04.779
philosopher or philosophy professor because he loved answering the big
1873
01:22:04.819 --> 01:22:07.020
questions about life. That's what got him into it. Then
1874
01:22:07.050 --> 01:22:08.989
he got there and he realized there's a ranking system
1875
01:22:09.409 --> 01:22:13.109
for the professors nationwide. And how do you go up?
1876
01:22:13.210 --> 01:22:15.390
So he's a competitive person by nature, like many of
1877
01:22:15.449 --> 01:22:17.550
us are. So he started trying to win the game.
1878
01:22:17.930 --> 01:22:20.010
Now he had a scoreboard. The scoreboard said, in order
1879
01:22:20.029 --> 01:22:22.229
to get more points, you have to write more peer-reviewed
1880
01:22:22.250 --> 01:22:25.020
published articles about these niche topics. So then he spends
1881
01:22:25.100 --> 01:22:28.119
two years winning that game and then basically feeling miserable
1882
01:22:28.180 --> 01:22:31.319
because he's like, this is not what he enjoys about philosophy.
1883
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:34.250
So he made himself miserable winning the game. And he
1884
01:22:34.270 --> 01:22:36.489
talks about how there's something called value capture. Value capture
1885
01:22:36.510 --> 01:22:40.189
is basically when the game gives you the metric that
1886
01:22:41.470 --> 01:22:44.920
is super simplified, easy to digest, but it may not
1887
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:48.000
have been what you wanted out of this. So for example,
1888
01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:52.100
we're on YouTube, right? YouTube gives you one big score, views.
1889
01:22:53.130 --> 01:22:55.670
You can make a life-changing episode that gets half the
1890
01:22:55.689 --> 01:22:57.770
views of another episode, but it doesn't know how to
1891
01:22:57.810 --> 01:23:00.390
measure life-changing. It just measures views. And it's going to
1892
01:23:00.409 --> 01:23:02.489
keep giving you that metric. And I mean, let's be honest,
1893
01:23:02.529 --> 01:23:05.020
how many YouTubers don't just respond to views, right? Like
1894
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:08.140
it's like a very, very powerful motivation because it's in
1895
01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.579
your face. Everybody sees it. And that's the scoreboard that
1896
01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:12.420
determines success or failure in that game.
1897
01:23:13.460 --> 01:23:16.699
I mean, we've like spoke about this hours. And yeah,
1898
01:23:16.890 --> 01:23:17.750
this is one of our favorite.
1899
01:23:18.069 --> 01:23:19.789
You hit one of our trap cards.
1900
01:23:19.930 --> 01:23:23.619
Like there's a weirdly part of the... thoughts i was
1901
01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:26.180
thinking about this week was going down like how is
1902
01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.060
you know that marshall mccune line that we like shape
1903
01:23:28.100 --> 01:23:31.640
our tools then i would say a great example of
1904
01:23:31.699 --> 01:23:34.319
nietzsche nietzsche used to write by a hand and then
1905
01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:36.590
his eyesight began to go so he started to write
1906
01:23:36.789 --> 01:23:40.109
in a typewriter and his writing completely changed he went
1907
01:23:40.189 --> 01:23:43.069
way shorter way punchier like he almost completely changed as
1908
01:23:43.090 --> 01:23:46.409
an individual and i've been thinking about that with a
1909
01:23:46.430 --> 01:23:48.069
lot of these tools where so i would like one
1910
01:23:48.090 --> 01:23:49.130
of my life hacks at the minute is what i
1911
01:23:49.149 --> 01:23:51.710
call boom scrolling So rather than doom scrolling, I go
1912
01:23:51.770 --> 01:23:55.060
on a treadmill at like 15 incline, three in. I've
1913
01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:57.960
got share believe on loop playing. I'm spinning around. I'm
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having a fucking great, I'm just sending.
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Links to people. If you are either in his contacts,
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high on the top of his list of iMessage contacts recently,
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because he's got massive recency bias. So he only sends
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it to the people that he can see. And if
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you're in Lifetime on South Lamar and you walk downstairs
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and you see him, it's you with something from the 80s,
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some hair metal or like some like big pop star
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from the 80s. And he's just furiously sending fucking links
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to people.
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That's how social media, I think, is supposed to be consumed.
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If you're at 130 beats per minute, if you're at
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130 heart rate per minute, you just forget about it.
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All the new stuff goes, and I'm just in these
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holes finding stuff. But one of the reflections of that.
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You've managed to find a social media flow state.
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Yeah, a flow state for social media. Boom scrolling. It's
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coming back. Boom scrolling. So one of my actual realizations
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when I was in this high was.
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One thing you, when you become, when you're in like
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a flow state or when you're more mindful, you begin
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like the, a lot of meditators describe it as the
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frame rate of reality completely slows down. So it's kind
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of like going from a standard definition TV to a
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HD where everything's a bit clearer, everything's a bit slower.
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And I started to notice this thing in my head
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that I was really embarrassed about that when I would scroll,
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I'd see a tweet or I'd see a post. And
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there's this little thing in me that just looks at
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the views it gets. And then like determines if I'm
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going to consume it or my reaction beforehand. And it's
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almost like, imagine what we've created for this mimetic algorithm.
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Imagine before you ever heard like a piece of music
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or you ever tasted a bit of food. It's like
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people clapping or people going, no, it's a bit shit.
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And that's your whole, you don't actually ever experience social
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media content. So one of the two big changes I'd
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like to see is one, could I just turn off
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all engagement metrics? And I'd be fascinated to run a
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study and compare the two and see like the impact
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that that would have. And then the second one, because
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I've thought a lot about this, which is your point, Sean,
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around the depth metrics, that it's very hard for us
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to measure depth. It's very easy for us to measure width.
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Right now, one of the problems with social media is
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you can only kind of pay with a like. That's
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the currency. If you have a thought experiment, if you
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imagine the world where the only currency was like a
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$ 1 bill and you can't pay more than $ 1, what
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would you have?
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The dollar store theory.
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You'd have dollar store everywhere. means you wouldn't have michelin
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star restaurants you wouldn't have like luxury brands you wouldn't
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have all these stuff that you'd those are actually shit
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examples because i hate them but you know stuff that
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you would actually want to pay more money for and
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i thought even just as simple as like yx don't
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just implement like a golden like well i only have
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one per week it's completely meaningless but i have one
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per week and i press it and then i can
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also go on the golden like feed i can go
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this is the thing that sean says out of everything
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he's consumed this week is the best i think The
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change you would have in terms of content is huge.
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The worst thing is that you proposed this to me
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over dinner, what, five years ago or something, probably? And
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I was like, fucking stupid idea. And then YouTube brought
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in hype. We've seen hype.
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No, what is that?
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If you're a channel with under 100,000 subscribers, you, as
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a user, are allowed, I think you're allocated about 1,000
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01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.739
hype points per week. And you can only spend it
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on videos that are high-performing. I think it might be
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videos over 100K on channels less than 100K, something like that.
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01:27:05.899 --> 01:27:10.470
But it's... like non-fungible, they're limited, right? So the Bitcoin
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of your likes. And it's fucking great. And I find
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myself using it on videos that I really want to...
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Here's a small creator that's nailed it with some great
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01:27:18.989 --> 01:27:22.050
documentary explaining why the straight-up Hormuz is hard to get through,
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whatever the fuck. And I want to send the hype thing.
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Michael Smoke had one video that broke through and I
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wanted to do it for his thing. So yes, you're right.
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Other thing, McNamara fallacy.
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You familiar with that? No.
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Okay, so McNamara... was the guy that was in charge
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of working out what was going on with the troops
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in the Vietnam War. And his issue was that he
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01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:48.560
was measuring the wrong metrics. So the McNamara fallacy or
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01:27:48.619 --> 01:27:51.689
quantitative fallacy is the mistake of making decisions based solely
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01:27:51.729 --> 01:27:55.850
on metrics while ignoring qualitative unmeasurable factors. Named after US
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01:27:55.909 --> 01:27:58.630
Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, it assumes that if something
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01:27:58.710 --> 01:28:01.050
cannot be easily measured, it is not important or does
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01:28:01.090 --> 01:28:03.609
not exist. So the issue that the McNamara fallacy had
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01:28:03.930 --> 01:28:07.979
was that enemy body count metric is taken to be
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01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.739
a precise and objective measure of the success or failure
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01:28:10.779 --> 01:28:13.350
of the Vietnam War, which it wasn't at all. It
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01:28:13.390 --> 01:28:17.229
was domestic casualties, domestic injuries, and the far more important,
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01:28:17.789 --> 01:28:19.430
what's the vibe? What's the tone?
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The morale.
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Yes.
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The soul.
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01:28:21.449 --> 01:28:25.939
Yeah, precisely. So the line is, we end up intending
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to measure what matters, but instead, what we can measure
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just ends up mattering.
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Yeah.
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And everything else is disregarded. So you could... Like I say, how.
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01:28:39.569 --> 01:28:42.520
um obviously golden like idea like is there any ways
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01:28:42.579 --> 01:28:45.460
you guys have like for yourselves whether it's for the
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01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.279
actual platforms themselves or just for you as an individual
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have found a way out of this.
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There was one i heard i didn't do this but
2025
01:28:50.979 --> 01:28:53.619
hormosi had a thing with this where he starts getting
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popular on youtube and then he hires a team and
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01:28:57.739 --> 01:29:00.670
they're like hey Let's punch this up. Let's do this video.
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Let's do this video.
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Oh, people will love this.
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Do what you're eating. Do how you guys met. Do this.
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He started as a business channel and then he's doing everything.
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And of course, there's not a lot of people who
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want to understand how to do better cold calls and sales.
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That's a super niche topic, but don't be broke is
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a bigger topic. And then bigger than that is going
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to be harsh truths about being a man, whatever. So
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those are pop. Those get 2 million views. So why
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make those shitty 20,000 views about you know, how to
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improve your sales funnel or whatever. But he realized like, well,
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01:29:31.869 --> 01:29:35.149
what was my mission? My mission was like, I love business.
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I want to share what I know about business. And
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01:29:36.850 --> 01:29:39.619
so what he did was he started selling his book
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01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:43.250
for 99 cents. And he put it in this bio, right?
2044
01:29:43.289 --> 01:29:45.210
So he's basically just used the assumption of instead of
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measuring the success of these videos based on views, let's
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just measure it on book sales. Presumably, only a business person,
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the type of people I'm making content for, would buy
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a business book about sales or about $ 100 million offers.
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Only somebody who liked the video and trusted me more
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from this video would go and convert. So it's like,
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01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:06.500
let me create my own. It's like people who do
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01:30:06.539 --> 01:30:10.689
their own sampling, like their own polling videos. I don't
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01:30:10.710 --> 01:30:12.180
know if you heard about this before the election, but
2054
01:30:12.189 --> 01:30:14.840
there was a guy who made a huge bet on
2055
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:16.899
polymarket that Trump was going to win. I don't know
2056
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:19.060
if you guys remember this. Some French guy made like
2057
01:30:19.060 --> 01:30:22.479
$ 50 million. And the reason why was the mainstream media
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01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:25.119
polls were showing like a neck and neck race. And
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01:30:25.189 --> 01:30:28.770
he did what's called like something like the friends and
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01:30:28.810 --> 01:30:30.369
neighbors poll. You can pull this up, Jared. But like,
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I think the premise was if you ask people who
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01:30:32.989 --> 01:30:35.989
they're going to vote for, they'll tell you. But like
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some people hedge and there was like closeted Trump voters.
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01:30:38.789 --> 01:30:40.210
But if you ask them, who do you think your
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neighbor's going to vote for? They'll give you a different answer.
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01:30:42.090 --> 01:30:44.109
This is like the Keynesian beauty contest.
2067
01:30:44.189 --> 01:30:44.590
Yeah.
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And so he used the data from, he commissioned his
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own poll, which cost him like a few hundred thousand
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dollars or whatever. And he ended up making 40 or
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01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:55.220
$ 50 million on a bet because he understood the actual
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probability of success was far different than the priced odds
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on these markets.
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01:31:00.220 --> 01:31:02.899
So what you're saying that Alex did was he found
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a metric that was more important and more accurate than
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01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:07.760
all of the other metrics.
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01:31:07.859 --> 01:31:10.079
He brought his own metric to YouTube, which he had
2078
01:31:10.100 --> 01:31:11.699
to hack around, right? To figure out how to do it.
2079
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:13.699
James Smith does this. So he's got his business channel,
2080
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:16.460
which is the other thing. He basically shut down his
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01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:18.720
main one, which has got half a million subs. And
2082
01:31:18.979 --> 01:31:21.890
he'll put a video up that gets 20,000 plays and
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01:31:21.930 --> 01:31:27.109
make $ 50, 000. Because the people that go onto that video
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01:31:27.149 --> 01:31:29.829
are precisely his target market at a high conversion. And
2085
01:31:30.069 --> 01:31:34.180
they've got some special tracking link that's for each different video.
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01:31:34.220 --> 01:31:37.680
So he knows, oh, this one video, because it's only
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this link in that one video and it's pinned in
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01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:42.239
the comments or whatever it might be. And he can,
2089
01:31:43.100 --> 01:31:45.399
he's now optimizing for the outcome that he wants.
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01:31:45.430 --> 01:31:45.850
That makes sense.
2091
01:31:45.859 --> 01:31:49.029
Now the problem is that you then start to optimize
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for book sales.
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01:31:50.270 --> 01:31:50.369
Right.
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01:31:50.390 --> 01:31:53.329
And what optimizing for book sales, because you're always optimizing
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01:31:53.369 --> 01:31:57.510
for something, unless you're optimizing for vibe or optimizing for feeling.
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01:31:57.670 --> 01:31:59.869
And that's what the, you know, to break the fourth wall,
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01:31:59.890 --> 01:32:01.680
that's the reason that I wanted to do this. I
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01:32:01.739 --> 01:32:04.159
don't know if these episodes will ever be bigger than
2099
01:32:04.180 --> 01:32:05.899
me sitting down with McConaughey. I think they've kind of
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01:32:05.979 --> 01:32:08.050
weirdly got the legs to be. But the reason I
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01:32:08.090 --> 01:32:09.789
want you to do it is because I thought it
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would be fun. And I think the optimizing for the
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quote on the wall of your man or the childlike
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01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:17.020
joy or the good hang vibe.
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01:32:18.140 --> 01:32:20.699
It's, yeah, knowing when to use metrics, when to avoid them.
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01:32:20.970 --> 01:32:23.350
And then also, then you said then about studies, like
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01:32:23.390 --> 01:32:24.909
how much of this is you and then how much
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01:32:24.949 --> 01:32:25.750
of this is the wider.
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01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:27.579
I have to give you credit. You did this when
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you released your high agency thing. I was the one
2111
01:32:29.539 --> 01:32:31.619
who went on similar web and looked at the traffic
2112
01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:33.060
to your blog. I was like, dude, there's a million
2113
01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:36.279
people have read your blog. You're like, really? I'm like,
2114
01:32:36.380 --> 01:32:38.079
what are your analytics saying? That's a similar web. He's like,
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01:32:38.140 --> 01:32:39.439
I didn't have Google Analytics in.
2116
01:32:39.859 --> 01:32:40.060
Yeah.
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01:32:40.609 --> 01:32:42.649
And I was like, you're a marketing guy. How do
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01:32:42.670 --> 01:32:44.470
you not have it in? You intentionally didn't have it in.
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01:32:44.470 --> 01:32:46.510
Yes, yes. Well, even that bit of advice there of
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like do a blog post, like blog posts are essentially
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the UK or the mainstream media. You know what I mean?
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01:32:51.409 --> 01:32:55.329
Like it's like the ultimate, like undervalue, like don't do it.
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01:32:55.350 --> 01:32:56.800
You can't link to it. And at that time, Twitter
2124
01:32:56.840 --> 01:33:01.460
completely shadow banned links. But then, yeah, I think doing
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something fundamentally different. And this is the challenge of when
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01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:05.619
do you know, and I struggle with this a lot.
2127
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When you're a bit of a weird guy, which fucking
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01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:09.930
all four of us are probably right. Um, when do
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01:33:09.970 --> 01:33:12.390
you know that you're kind of onto something you're on
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01:33:12.430 --> 01:33:14.489
the edge or when are you just a bit batshit mental?
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01:33:15.489 --> 01:33:18.550
And that, and knowing that is a fucking, that's what
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01:33:18.569 --> 01:33:20.880
you've got to have good friends. I think, um, as
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01:33:20.899 --> 01:33:22.439
well as sometimes just balls and you make mistakes.
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01:33:22.460 --> 01:33:24.760
No, no, you just ignore, you just always assume you're
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onto something.
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Put the glasses on and hope for the best.
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Always 100% assume you're onto something.
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01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:28.899
That's what I do. Delusional cut.
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This is the difference.
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This is the difference.
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01:33:30.529 --> 01:33:30.989
You know what I mean?
2142
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That's our GDP gap right there.
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This side of the table and this side of the table.
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01:33:33.850 --> 01:33:35.029
That's the GDP gap right there.
2145
01:33:35.090 --> 01:33:35.810
Yeah, that's the GDP gap.
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01:33:35.850 --> 01:33:37.630
I'm not going to tell you if you're onto something.
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01:33:37.670 --> 01:33:39.449
Come on. Really, really, it is.
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It is.
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01:33:39.909 --> 01:33:41.020
I'm always onto something.
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That's it, baby. Next thing you know, I'm going to.
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Maybe I'll wait two decades.
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That's a metacritic society where we've got an old school
2153
01:33:48.659 --> 01:33:49.720
aristocratic society.
2154
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:52.550
Exactly. We've been handed down. And also the other thing
2155
01:33:52.590 --> 01:33:54.229
is that we can't raise out of our status. You're
2156
01:33:54.250 --> 01:33:55.689
going to be middle class for the rest of your
2157
01:33:55.729 --> 01:33:57.569
life in the eyes of British people. I'm going to
2158
01:33:57.609 --> 01:33:59.949
be working class for the rest of my life in
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01:33:59.989 --> 01:34:01.800
the eyes of British people. It doesn't matter what I do.
2160
01:34:01.810 --> 01:34:03.689
It doesn't matter how many plays I get, how much
2161
01:34:03.750 --> 01:34:05.819
money I make. When I go back home, they know
2162
01:34:05.859 --> 01:34:07.619
where I went to school. They know what postcode my
2163
01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:10.100
parents lived in. They know what my accent's like. It's like,
2164
01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:13.659
I think that that puts a kind of cap on
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01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:17.279
how much people think that they, how big their dreams
2166
01:34:17.350 --> 01:34:19.390
should be and how much faith they should have in themselves.
2167
01:34:19.590 --> 01:34:21.329
This is, Alain de Botton talked about this. He's like,
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01:34:22.350 --> 01:34:24.569
people that come from in the UK working class backgrounds,
2169
01:34:25.329 --> 01:34:27.149
they're probably not gonna try and rock the boat because
2170
01:34:27.689 --> 01:34:30.050
that's not their place. It's not your place to do that.
2171
01:34:30.369 --> 01:34:33.880
America's like nascent. It's like fucking two years old, right?
2172
01:34:33.939 --> 01:34:35.659
In the grand scheme of things. We've got a thousand
2173
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:39.659
years of uninterrupted, uninvaded history, right? Apart from some planes
2174
01:34:39.739 --> 01:34:43.550
in fucking like August of 1940. That's it, right? And
2175
01:34:43.569 --> 01:34:45.989
then fucking Rudolf Hess when he decided to try and
2176
01:34:46.029 --> 01:34:48.970
land in Scotland. Do you know that story? Rudolf Hess.
2177
01:34:49.050 --> 01:34:49.409
Amazing.
2178
01:34:49.430 --> 01:34:52.220
Oh, gee, do you want to tell it? You tell
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01:34:52.260 --> 01:34:52.859
it better than me.
2180
01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:56.100
Okay, so Rudolf Hess was one of the.
2181
01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:58.760
That was the most English shit ever. You want to
2182
01:34:58.779 --> 01:34:59.060
tell it?
2183
01:34:59.180 --> 01:35:04.390
No, you tell it better than me. Back on.
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01:35:05.489 --> 01:35:08.750
Rudolf Hess was a German fighter ace in World War I.
2185
01:35:09.529 --> 01:35:12.500
And he then becomes one of the Inner Circles. for
2186
01:35:12.539 --> 01:35:15.619
Hitler in World War II. He starts to slowly lose
2187
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:18.399
favor toward the end of the war. I think 43, 44,
2188
01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.350
he starts to lose favor with Hitler and he sees
2189
01:35:21.390 --> 01:35:24.029
himself being shunted to the side a little bit. So
2190
01:35:24.069 --> 01:35:26.949
he decides that he's going to do something, uh, courageous
2191
01:35:27.310 --> 01:35:30.289
and heroic. That's going to save the war and also
2192
01:35:30.350 --> 01:35:32.609
bring him back into the inner circle with regards to Hitler.
2193
01:35:32.630 --> 01:35:35.300
Cause he's got this sort of wind, this group of
2194
01:35:35.380 --> 01:35:37.659
sycophants around him. He's got Himmler, he's got Goebbels, all
2195
01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:40.550
of these guys that are around him. And, uh, Rudolf
2196
01:35:40.569 --> 01:35:42.510
Hess has been shunted out to the side. So Hess
2197
01:35:43.010 --> 01:35:49.430
gets a two-seat plane, one of the long-range bomber planes
2198
01:35:49.590 --> 01:35:52.189
that the Germans were using. He gets it modified so
2199
01:35:52.210 --> 01:35:53.760
that it can be flown by one person as opposed
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01:35:53.770 --> 01:35:57.210
to two. He gets additional fuel tanks strapped to it,
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01:35:57.979 --> 01:36:01.140
and he flies it without telling anybody in the middle
2202
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:04.640
of the night from Germany over to Scotland because he
2203
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:12.109
once met some aristocratic Scottish man a nobleman, and thinks
2204
01:36:12.569 --> 01:36:16.350
because he's got this perspective of Brits, that it's all
2205
01:36:16.649 --> 01:36:20.569
one Renaissance Bridgerton novel, that he is going to know
2206
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:23.380
Winston Churchill and the king, and he's going to be
2207
01:36:23.449 --> 01:36:25.000
able to, or the queen, and he's going to be
2208
01:36:25.100 --> 01:36:29.960
able to petition Britain to have an armistice, to put
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01:36:29.979 --> 01:36:34.000
down their arms. So he leaves a note for the
2210
01:36:36.770 --> 01:36:40.750
And just sets off. Now, he doesn't know where he
2211
01:36:40.970 --> 01:36:42.989
is when he gets to Scotland because it's dark. By
2212
01:36:43.010 --> 01:36:45.090
the time he gets to Scotland, it's dark. And he
2213
01:36:45.310 --> 01:36:47.850
can't see where he wanted to land. He can't see
2214
01:36:47.890 --> 01:36:50.750
the fucking palace or the house of this nobleman. So
2215
01:36:50.770 --> 01:36:54.909
he just pulls the ejector seat, lands in a farmer's field.
2216
01:36:55.649 --> 01:36:58.750
Very quickly gets picked up by the British military. They
2217
01:36:58.789 --> 01:37:02.630
find out this is the fourth ranking Nazi in the
2218
01:37:02.689 --> 01:37:05.420
entire Reich. Immediately take him into custody. Doesn't get to
2219
01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:06.800
see the king. Doesn't get to see the queen. Doesn't
2220
01:37:06.819 --> 01:37:08.729
get to see anybody. Doesn't get to see anybody at all.
2221
01:37:08.739 --> 01:37:10.689
Doesn't get anywhere close to the noble monument to go
2222
01:37:10.710 --> 01:37:13.470
out in there and see. However, the British now have
2223
01:37:13.489 --> 01:37:17.130
the fourth ranking Nazi in the world. And Hitler is furious.
2224
01:37:17.390 --> 01:37:22.920
Absolutely fucking furious. Like apoplectic, apparently. And it just goes
2225
01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:29.359
to show, I think, like first off, the weird incentives
2226
01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:32.439
and the way that people respond to a tight sphere
2227
01:37:32.470 --> 01:37:35.909
of of a social circle with power struggles that keep
2228
01:37:35.970 --> 01:37:37.640
on going on. It causes people to do crazy. It's
2229
01:37:37.649 --> 01:37:40.039
being in a relationship with a hot, cold girlfriend, right?
2230
01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:42.579
You're just doing fucking insane things. You're like throwing rocks
2231
01:37:42.619 --> 01:37:44.840
at her window, holding a boombox with a mixtape, and
2232
01:37:44.859 --> 01:37:47.060
then the next day, you're naked, fucking getting, you know,
2233
01:37:47.100 --> 01:37:48.140
being beaten up by her or whatever.
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01:37:50.020 --> 01:37:54.550
I told you that story in confidence.
2235
01:37:54.590 --> 01:37:58.020
The other thing is that people still have this kind
2236
01:37:58.060 --> 01:38:01.479
of archaic interpretation of what British life is like, especially
2237
01:38:01.859 --> 01:38:02.399
back in the day.
2238
01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:05.420
He should have done a 360 and then moonwalked out
2239
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:06.659
of there.
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Early 30s, Churchill's very much out of the picture and
2268
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:29.979
Hitler's on the come up. So I think he's either
2269
01:39:30.020 --> 01:39:31.859
just became chancellor or he's just about to become chancellor.
2270
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.869
And one of the fascinating things when you really study
2271
01:39:34.890 --> 01:39:37.909
history is how blurry it is at the time. I
2272
01:39:37.989 --> 01:39:41.390
always use the example of the Roman Empire. I think
2273
01:39:41.409 --> 01:39:43.800
it's like 476 AD is when the Roman Empire fell.
2274
01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:47.659
But if you ask, well, when did the people recognize
2275
01:39:47.699 --> 01:39:50.359
it fell? And it's a bit like, the same with
2276
01:39:50.380 --> 01:39:53.260
the British Empire. When did the British Empire fall? It's like,
2277
01:39:54.260 --> 01:39:56.010
you could point to certain parts of World War I,
2278
01:39:56.020 --> 01:39:57.250
you could go further back, you could go to World
2279
01:39:57.270 --> 01:39:59.590
War II, you could go to 60s, 70s, whenever you
2280
01:39:59.609 --> 01:40:02.430
want to go to it. When do people actually recognize
2281
01:40:02.449 --> 01:40:06.239
the thing? It's always later. And even like Hitler... Like Churchill,
2282
01:40:06.260 --> 01:40:10.550
who obviously ends up becoming Hitler's nemesis, was intrigued by
2283
01:40:10.569 --> 01:40:12.310
a dinner with him. So there was this guy called
2284
01:40:12.510 --> 01:40:15.949
Ernst Putzi Hangelsfegen. You can probably search that one, Jared.
2285
01:40:16.890 --> 01:40:22.729
And good luck. And he was like a socialite in
2286
01:40:22.770 --> 01:40:25.819
Germany who wanted to arrange the meeting. And Churchill basically said, listen,
2287
01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:28.380
he was really concerned about communism at the time, but
2288
01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:31.859
he was also concerned with Hitler's anti-Semitism. So Putzi says, well,
2289
01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:33.880
come through. I'll introduce you to Adolf. You guys will
2290
01:40:33.899 --> 01:40:35.850
get on really well. Churchill turns up. He's got his
2291
01:40:35.869 --> 01:40:39.149
whole family there. And kind of chatting to Puzzi. He's
2292
01:40:39.170 --> 01:40:40.770
still not here. Still not here. So they kind of
2293
01:40:40.789 --> 01:40:43.670
have dinner. Hitler's not there. And Churchill's like, where is he?
2294
01:40:44.090 --> 01:40:46.670
So Puzzi goes, leave it with me. So Hitler famously
2295
01:40:46.710 --> 01:40:50.199
lives in an apartment building in Berlin. So he goes
2296
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:52.920
to his apartment building. Shit you not, Hitler's there just
2297
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:55.460
shaving his mustache. So he's just shaving his mustache at
2298
01:40:55.479 --> 01:40:58.140
the time. That's the thing about his mustache. There's a
2299
01:40:58.180 --> 01:41:00.140
lot of work that goes into that thing. So he's
2300
01:41:00.180 --> 01:41:03.609
shaving the mustache. And he goes, Winston Churchill, very important
2301
01:41:03.630 --> 01:41:07.750
British politician, wants to meet you. And he's like, what
2302
01:41:07.770 --> 01:41:08.689
am I going to say to him?
2303
01:41:09.550 --> 01:41:10.130
What am I going to say?
2304
01:41:10.149 --> 01:41:12.689
I have no interest in talking to that guy. And
2305
01:41:12.770 --> 01:41:14.270
Puzzi like argues with him for ages.
2306
01:41:14.310 --> 01:41:15.289
He goes, right, I'll come.
2307
01:41:15.590 --> 01:41:17.520
So he goes back, tells Churchill. Churchill and his family
2308
01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:20.319
sit there. Hitler never comes. So Puzzi says, I'll set
2309
01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:22.779
you up the next day. Sets up another dinner. Hitler
2310
01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:26.399
never comes. And it's like those moments of history, if
2311
01:41:26.460 --> 01:41:29.270
those two met, because famously, I didn't realize this until
2312
01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:32.770
I was reading about it recently, that Chamberlain met Adolf Hitler.
2313
01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:35.720
He flew over to Germany and he was impressed. Do this,
2314
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.960
give us a handshake. He was impressed by the handshake
2315
01:41:37.979 --> 01:41:40.560
because Hitler does these double handshakes. And he was drawn
2316
01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:42.479
in by his charisma and believed, oh, this guy will
2317
01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:45.779
never invade. But it's just this fascinating counterfactual that if
2318
01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.149
Adolf and Winston met, what would have happened? What year
2319
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:51.630
was that? I want to say 31, 32, around about then.
2320
01:41:53.609 --> 01:41:58.670
Fuck. Yeah, that's so cool. Have you seen the Forbes
2321
01:41:58.670 --> 01:41:59.789
30 under 30 fraud list?
2322
01:41:59.869 --> 01:42:00.079
Oh, wow.
2323
01:42:00.109 --> 01:42:00.310
Yeah. Yeah.
2324
01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:03.899
It's crazy.
2325
01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:04.340
Jared.
2326
01:42:04.399 --> 01:42:05.090
How long is it now?
2327
01:42:06.020 --> 01:42:09.609
So it's just, this stinks of U2. This is really some,
2328
01:42:09.630 --> 01:42:12.109
this is kind of just a gift for U2. But
2329
01:42:12.130 --> 01:42:14.810
this is the 30 under 30 fraud watch list. So
2330
01:42:14.829 --> 01:42:16.840
if we scroll down a little bit and you hover
2331
01:42:16.939 --> 01:42:22.420
over Sam Backman Freed, you'll see incarcerated Terraform Labs, incarcerated
2332
01:42:22.739 --> 01:42:25.220
Elizabeth Holmes, Theranos incarcerated. We'll keep going down.
2333
01:42:26.260 --> 01:42:26.569
There we go.
2334
01:42:27.069 --> 01:42:31.560
Time served for Martin Scurley. And if you go to
2335
01:42:31.619 --> 01:42:33.619
the black bit where it's like redacted, just scroll over
2336
01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:36.500
the black text, the real numbers were 300,000. That's it.
2337
01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:40.130
Sold a student loan app to JP Morgan for 175 million,
2338
01:42:40.170 --> 01:42:43.170
claimed 4.25 million users. The real number was 300,000. And
2339
01:42:43.569 --> 01:42:46.560
she hired a data scientist to fabricate the rest. JP
2340
01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:49.079
Morgan bought it anyway, then noticed, oops. If we go
2341
01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:50.819
all the way down to the bottom, there's actually a
2342
01:42:50.939 --> 01:42:54.180
risk list. So this is people who've been on the
2343
01:42:54.180 --> 01:42:56.979
30 under 30, it's like a, how would you say,
2344
01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:01.020
prototypical algorithm that looks at some of the hype around
2345
01:43:01.060 --> 01:43:04.050
the market. So these are companies that they think is
2346
01:43:04.090 --> 01:43:07.050
going to be likely to be on the fraud list.
2347
01:43:07.390 --> 01:43:09.550
So I don't know any sphere, cursor, do you know
2348
01:43:09.569 --> 01:43:10.310
what that is, Sean?
2349
01:43:10.489 --> 01:43:11.670
Cursor is super legit.
2350
01:43:12.109 --> 01:43:15.260
I would say cursor is super legit, but They're not
2351
01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:15.920
going to come for you.
2352
01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:19.560
The crazy one is Sam Bamman-Fried. It came out today.
2353
01:43:19.579 --> 01:43:20.319
Is that Polymarket there?
2354
01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:21.600
Oh, Shane.
2355
01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:25.750
Sam Bamman-Fried, it came out today that the shares FTX,
2356
01:43:25.829 --> 01:43:28.890
so Sam Bamman-Fried put an investment in Anthropic that owns Claude.
2357
01:43:28.949 --> 01:43:30.630
It would have gotten them out of the bankruptcy. It's
2358
01:43:30.689 --> 01:43:31.590
something like that.
2359
01:43:31.789 --> 01:43:32.949
No, it's like $ 60 billion.
2360
01:43:32.949 --> 01:43:36.859
$ 60 billion, which Coinbase is worth $ 50 billion or something
2361
01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:37.500
like that.
2362
01:43:37.659 --> 01:43:40.859
FTX at its peak was $ 30 billion. Basically, he's one
2363
01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:42.880
of the, had he not gone to jail for fraud
2364
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:43.380
and had.
2365
01:43:43.300 --> 01:43:44.680
Not been using- Would have been one of the richest
2366
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:45.479
people on the planet.
2367
01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:47.220
And he would have been seen as one of the
2368
01:43:47.359 --> 01:43:50.020
best investors in the world because he was early in Solana.
2369
01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:51.560
He was early in this.
2370
01:43:51.619 --> 01:43:53.760
Do they still have that position or did they have
2371
01:43:53.800 --> 01:43:54.939
to liquidate the position?
2372
01:43:54.979 --> 01:43:57.619
No, that's the sad part. When they did the bankruptcy,
2373
01:43:58.119 --> 01:43:59.770
they bring in this guy. He's a famous guy. He
2374
01:43:59.779 --> 01:44:02.689
did the Enron bankruptcy, something like something Rice or something.
2375
01:44:02.710 --> 01:44:04.170
I forget what his name is. He's got a cool
2376
01:44:04.229 --> 01:44:06.430
sounding name. They bring him in. So what do they do?
2377
01:44:06.449 --> 01:44:09.750
They immediately freeze all payments. They have a protocol of bankruptcy.
2378
01:44:10.329 --> 01:44:11.550
And so one of the things is they take all
2379
01:44:11.590 --> 01:44:14.029
these illiquid shares and they say, we need to sell them.
2380
01:44:14.149 --> 01:44:16.710
And they sell them at this huge discount right away
2381
01:44:16.729 --> 01:44:17.449
into the market.
2382
01:44:17.529 --> 01:44:18.310
Oh my God.
2383
01:44:18.890 --> 01:44:19.970
And so they sold the whole lot.
2384
01:44:19.989 --> 01:44:21.109
Do you know what they sold it for?
2385
01:44:21.350 --> 01:44:23.720
So they sold the whole lot for like, I think
2386
01:44:23.739 --> 01:44:27.199
like a billion dollars of all the investments that he
2387
01:44:27.220 --> 01:44:29.119
had made. And so it was like a fraction of
2388
01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:33.199
whatever it was worth essentially. And just the one anthropic
2389
01:44:33.220 --> 01:44:34.840
position alone is a $ 60 billion position.
2390
01:44:34.859 --> 01:44:38.079
Would that have paid off all of the- Multiple times over.
2391
01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:38.640
Many times over.
2392
01:44:38.659 --> 01:44:41.770
So all of the people who were missing money, had
2393
01:44:41.810 --> 01:44:43.590
they have just held... When was the FTX thing? Three
2394
01:44:43.609 --> 01:44:43.930
years ago?
2395
01:44:43.949 --> 01:44:46.210
Yeah, something like that.
2396
01:44:46.930 --> 01:44:50.590
Had they have held the FTX position in Anthropic simply
2397
01:44:50.689 --> 01:44:51.710
for what?
2398
01:44:51.710 --> 01:44:51.989
1,000 days?
2399
01:44:51.989 --> 01:44:53.909
1,000 months? Even let's say it was like they did it.
2400
01:44:53.949 --> 01:44:54.369
It was last year.
2401
01:44:54.390 --> 01:44:55.060
It would have been three years.
2402
01:44:55.979 --> 01:44:58.699
That would have cleared off everybody's debts. Everybody would have
2403
01:44:58.720 --> 01:44:59.340
got their money back.
2404
01:44:59.579 --> 01:44:59.739
Right.
2405
01:44:59.779 --> 01:45:01.960
Well, you got screwed because if let's say you held
2406
01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:04.800
Bitcoin in FTX, you did nothing wrong. You bought Bitcoin
2407
01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:07.109
on this exchange. You think you have Bitcoins. In reality,
2408
01:45:07.210 --> 01:45:09.909
FTX either didn't buy the Bitcoin, just took your cash.
2409
01:45:10.310 --> 01:45:12.689
They showed you, you own 10 Bitcoin, but they never
2410
01:45:12.729 --> 01:45:14.109
bought the Bitcoin. They just took the cash and did
2411
01:45:14.130 --> 01:45:16.100
something with it. Or you did have Bitcoin and they
2412
01:45:16.109 --> 01:45:18.939
went and used it, again, for their own slush fund
2413
01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:22.159
of investing, which they were not supposed to do. Now,
2414
01:45:23.420 --> 01:45:25.760
even when the bankruptcy happened and it's like, oh, you're
2415
01:45:25.779 --> 01:45:27.899
going to get paid out, you got paid out based
2416
01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:31.020
on the Bitcoin price when it happened, not the fact
2417
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:34.090
that Bitcoin was up 3, 4, 5x since then.
2418
01:45:34.359 --> 01:45:35.369
Why is that?
2419
01:45:36.260 --> 01:45:38.800
It's the way that I guess the bankruptcy process works.
2420
01:45:38.819 --> 01:45:40.899
I don't know the technicality of the way that they
2421
01:45:40.939 --> 01:45:43.479
did it. And so you had this money that should
2422
01:45:43.500 --> 01:45:45.319
have been appreciating that was locked up and then you
2423
01:45:45.340 --> 01:45:47.800
get paid on the four years ago price or whatever
2424
01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:51.810
it was the day that it happened. It's pretty bad.
2425
01:45:52.630 --> 01:45:57.710
Sean, your knowledge of fucking niche business stuff, dude, is terrifying.
2426
01:45:57.970 --> 01:46:00.369
It's like George for random historical facts.
2427
01:46:00.529 --> 01:46:03.050
It's really fucking terrifying. Galloway did something cool with this.
2428
01:46:03.069 --> 01:46:05.930
Have you heard what he did? So when the bankruptcy...
2429
01:46:06.180 --> 01:46:09.479
happened and people, um, every, every, so like for me,
2430
01:46:09.619 --> 01:46:11.880
I had some cash. FTX was one of our sponsors.
2431
01:46:13.420 --> 01:46:14.590
They gave us a bunch of money. They gave us
2432
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:16.869
like a hundred, 200 grand to write one article about
2433
01:46:16.909 --> 01:46:20.210
them on the milk road. And we actually wrote it.
2434
01:46:20.229 --> 01:46:21.569
And I wrote in the thing, I was like, yeah,
2435
01:46:21.609 --> 01:46:25.710
there's this, uh, weird relationship between FTX, which everybody thinks
2436
01:46:25.750 --> 01:46:27.210
is the best company in the world right now. And
2437
01:46:27.810 --> 01:46:31.369
Alameda research, his like hedge fund. And it's like, It's
2438
01:46:31.430 --> 01:46:33.329
unclear the relationship. It's a bit of a.
2439
01:46:33.529 --> 01:46:34.189
So you called this out.
2440
01:46:34.270 --> 01:46:36.529
So I called that part. I'm not an investigative journalist.
2441
01:46:36.569 --> 01:46:38.170
I wasn't going to go... It's not my job to
2442
01:46:38.210 --> 01:46:40.630
go figure that out. But I just noted like, hey,
2443
01:46:41.020 --> 01:46:42.979
here's a bunch of really interesting things about them. Here's
2444
01:46:43.020 --> 01:46:45.340
something that's unexplained. I don't fully know. It sounds a
2445
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:47.479
little bit sketch. And so we sent it to them.
2446
01:46:47.500 --> 01:46:49.100
We're like, hey, we're ready to post. And they were like,
2447
01:46:49.380 --> 01:46:50.279
you need to take that part out.
2448
01:46:50.500 --> 01:46:51.600
No fucking way.
2449
01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:54.020
And so I was like, well, I think I'm not
2450
01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:57.739
going to take it out. And they were like, okay,
2451
01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:59.529
we'll get back to you. And they just never talked
2452
01:46:59.550 --> 01:47:01.310
to me again. They never took the money back. They
2453
01:47:01.329 --> 01:47:03.000
never asked for the money back. They just disappeared.
2454
01:47:03.020 --> 01:47:03.819
And you never posted it?
2455
01:47:04.060 --> 01:47:05.699
We never posted it. We were like, okay, I guess
2456
01:47:05.729 --> 01:47:07.560
we'll just I guess they'll get back to us. They
2457
01:47:07.579 --> 01:47:09.699
just never did. And then it came out that that
2458
01:47:09.739 --> 01:47:12.550
was like this link that was like a really problematic thing.
2459
01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:14.729
That was their defensive way of handling that.
2460
01:47:14.750 --> 01:47:16.390
Did you ever talk about that? Did you ever bring
2461
01:47:16.449 --> 01:47:20.210
up the fact that you presciently fucking accidentally just nudged
2462
01:47:20.289 --> 01:47:22.670
the tripwire? You didn't fully break it, but you nudged
2463
01:47:22.729 --> 01:47:24.489
the tripwire that was going to cause like the biggest
2464
01:47:24.550 --> 01:47:25.989
banking scandal of the last five years.
2465
01:47:26.010 --> 01:47:27.829
The Epstein girls, the two girls.
2466
01:47:28.069 --> 01:47:29.789
But I'm like a dog setting it off. I wasn't
2467
01:47:29.810 --> 01:47:31.930
really like clever in how I was doing.
2468
01:47:31.949 --> 01:47:32.739
You moonwalked into it.
2469
01:47:32.750 --> 01:47:34.739
Yeah, I was just like, that sounds weird. Is there
2470
01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:36.859
an explanation for this? They're like, no. And I was like, okay,
2471
01:47:36.920 --> 01:47:39.010
still sounds weird to me. That was it.
2472
01:47:40.420 --> 01:47:42.380
It's really interesting to consider. And it kind of links
2473
01:47:42.420 --> 01:47:45.680
to the study says, science says, of we just have
2474
01:47:45.699 --> 01:47:49.380
this default bias of if people think this thing is successful,
2475
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:53.430
it's this giant game of Empress New Clothes that exists.
2476
01:47:53.770 --> 01:47:56.149
One of the things that I've always had a bit
2477
01:47:56.189 --> 01:47:58.029
of a problem with, maybe because I was such an
2478
01:47:58.149 --> 01:48:03.640
unpopular kid, but the fact that Talent isn't enough. Momentum
2479
01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:06.560
is more important for the most part. We can let
2480
01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:08.699
a lot of people get away with some pretty gnarly
2481
01:48:08.770 --> 01:48:11.189
shit if it seems like they're crushing it. I always
2482
01:48:11.229 --> 01:48:14.789
use this example of a Fyre Festival. Billy McFarlane from
2483
01:48:14.829 --> 01:48:19.289
Fyre Festival. The festival was an entire catastrophe. Multiple documentaries
2484
01:48:19.310 --> 01:48:22.579
made about it. People are in basically FEMA shelters instead
2485
01:48:22.619 --> 01:48:25.720
of the five-star huts that they were promised. Blink-182 doesn't
2486
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:28.630
turn up. People have got these small cheese sandwiches. Maybe
2487
01:48:28.649 --> 01:48:30.090
they're going to be stranded on an island. There's not
2488
01:48:30.130 --> 01:48:31.909
enough water, all the rest of it. But if Billy
2489
01:48:31.930 --> 01:48:36.710
McFarlane had been able to put together a half-competent festival,
2490
01:48:36.890 --> 01:48:39.989
just passable. He would have been hailed as a marketing genius.
2491
01:48:40.229 --> 01:48:42.979
The Orange Square, all of that stuff was hugely influential.
2492
01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:47.159
And this is because we will forgive almost every sin
2493
01:48:47.380 --> 01:48:50.579
of someone's if they're successful. And in a meritocracy, this
2494
01:48:50.619 --> 01:48:53.260
makes complete sense, right? If you are crushing it, that
2495
01:48:53.300 --> 01:48:55.159
means I want to be around you. The blast radius
2496
01:48:55.180 --> 01:48:58.750
of your success is so great. Fucking canonical, perfect example
2497
01:48:58.789 --> 01:49:03.229
that happened two weeks ago, Kanye West. Kanye West just
2498
01:49:03.270 --> 01:49:07.930
sold out SoFi Stadium two nights. And the stage show
2499
01:49:07.989 --> 01:49:10.310
is fucking spectacular. All that anyone can talk about is
2500
01:49:10.350 --> 01:49:11.970
how cool the production was. And he's got all of
2501
01:49:12.010 --> 01:49:15.359
these guests coming on. It's fucking amazing. He hasn't exactly
2502
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:18.479
showered himself in glory over the last five years. It
2503
01:49:18.500 --> 01:49:22.340
would be difficult for a musician to try and torpedo
2504
01:49:22.380 --> 01:49:26.130
their own musical career more aggressively than Kanye West did.
2505
01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:31.329
but homeboys got bangers. If you've got bangers, dude, you
2506
01:49:31.350 --> 01:49:34.789
can do whatever the fuck you want. And that's on
2507
01:49:34.949 --> 01:49:39.850
one side, what happens with music, your point and beauty,
2508
01:49:40.210 --> 01:49:42.850
two things that hack the human brain so effectively that
2509
01:49:42.890 --> 01:49:45.220
you will stay going back to the fucking crazy stripper
2510
01:49:45.229 --> 01:49:47.479
girl because she's so hot, even though she's bad for you,
2511
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:50.619
you will listen to the person who put out literal
2512
01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:54.930
Heil Hitler song fucking six months ago. Because he's got
2513
01:49:55.210 --> 01:49:59.119
three and a half hour worth set of straight heaters.
2514
01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:03.279
And the same thing is also true with momentum. If
2515
01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:07.699
somebody seems to be crushing it, we'll just... Sam Bankman Freed.
2516
01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:11.359
He's playing fucking... What was he playing? Like fucking World
2517
01:50:11.390 --> 01:50:12.119
of Warcraft or something?
2518
01:50:12.149 --> 01:50:12.829
During the meeting.
2519
01:50:12.909 --> 01:50:16.069
And he's like, oh my God, this guy's a fucking genius. Yeah, exactly.
2520
01:50:16.090 --> 01:50:19.189
And it's like, no, no, no, no. Because any person
2521
01:50:19.229 --> 01:50:22.560
would be scrutinized, but... If you've got the right momentum,
2522
01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:25.069
people are happy to just fucking shunt that to the side.
2523
01:50:25.090 --> 01:50:27.149
And I've never liked it. And it goes to my
2524
01:50:27.210 --> 01:50:33.250
theory about why people say the only insults that hurt
2525
01:50:33.310 --> 01:50:35.069
are the ones that you believe. And I don't think
2526
01:50:35.130 --> 01:50:37.630
it's true. I think the insults that hurt the most
2527
01:50:37.989 --> 01:50:40.260
are the ones that you know are untrue, but that
2528
01:50:40.279 --> 01:50:43.840
you fear other people might believe. Because that's optics management.
2529
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.220
Because you have not only the unfairness, but you have
2530
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:48.960
the indignation of knowing that it isn't true. And this
2531
01:50:49.020 --> 01:50:51.300
is the opposite side of the same dynamic that we're
2532
01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:53.319
talking about here. You could put out something which is
2533
01:50:53.359 --> 01:50:56.279
amazingly researched, a fantastic piece of work. But if other
2534
01:50:56.350 --> 01:50:59.350
people say, you're a bad guy, or that was done incorrectly,
2535
01:50:59.470 --> 01:51:02.369
or we don't think he's cool, it's not going to
2536
01:51:02.409 --> 01:51:05.529
get anywhere. But that can't happen with beauty because it
2537
01:51:05.569 --> 01:51:08.520
hacks the human brain. It is so hard to say.
2538
01:51:08.649 --> 01:51:11.779
You can say, that girl or that guy that's very
2539
01:51:11.819 --> 01:51:14.039
good looking, they're an asshole. They're this, they're that. And
2540
01:51:14.060 --> 01:51:15.920
you go, yeah, but they're so fucking hot. The same
2541
01:51:15.939 --> 01:51:17.699
with Kanye West. You can say he's an anti-Semite.
2542
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:18.319
We don't like him.
2543
01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:22.779
He's crazy. He's addicted to nitrous. It's like, he's got
2544
01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:25.420
fucking heaters, dude. And for as long as he's got heaters,
2545
01:51:25.579 --> 01:51:26.140
it doesn't matter.
2546
01:51:26.699 --> 01:51:30.380
I do think music and beauty are unique in that
2547
01:51:30.420 --> 01:51:33.000
regard that the more successful you are as a musician,
2548
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.100
the more you can probably get away with more so
2549
01:51:35.140 --> 01:51:37.729
than any other realm.
2550
01:51:37.770 --> 01:51:42.810
People can kid themselves into not liking something that is
2551
01:51:42.970 --> 01:51:46.000
objectively good because they don't like the person putting it
2552
01:51:46.020 --> 01:51:49.000
across in most art forms. If you don't like somebody
2553
01:51:49.340 --> 01:51:51.699
on a podcast and they tell a really interesting story,
2554
01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:54.529
you can convince yourself that it wasn't that interesting other
2555
01:51:54.550 --> 01:51:54.909
than asshole.
2556
01:51:55.130 --> 01:51:55.770
Even comedy.
2557
01:51:56.090 --> 01:51:59.130
Someone can tell a joke and you can be like, no, no,
2558
01:51:59.189 --> 01:52:00.689
wasn't that good. Wasn't that good. Didn't think it was
2559
01:52:00.710 --> 01:52:03.210
that good. The same thing is not true for music.
2560
01:52:03.369 --> 01:52:06.489
It is so penetrating emotionally to people. It fucking just
2561
01:52:07.010 --> 01:52:10.180
cuts through your biases. It cuts through your defenses in
2562
01:52:10.220 --> 01:52:13.949
a way that other art forms can't. And beauty especially
2563
01:52:13.970 --> 01:52:17.250
like female beauty for guys is just you can be
2564
01:52:17.270 --> 01:52:24.420
the craziest like total cluster b personality nightmare curse if
2565
01:52:24.439 --> 01:52:26.439
you're hot guys are just going to keep coming back.
2566
01:52:26.420 --> 01:52:28.859
Wait till you hear epstein soundcloud um you know i
2567
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:33.510
i always use the um example with billy mcfarland of
2568
01:52:33.630 --> 01:52:35.930
like steve jobs is a little bit of a very
2569
01:52:35.970 --> 01:52:38.489
very different figure to billy mcfarland but reality distortion field
2570
01:52:38.529 --> 01:52:42.090
kind of makes things happen um and like the counterfactual
2571
01:52:42.109 --> 01:52:44.279
that The ultimate thing that McFarlane did, or one of
2572
01:52:44.300 --> 01:52:47.800
the big things, is his business partner, his co-founder, was
2573
01:52:47.899 --> 01:52:50.899
Ja Rule. And I always thought the counterfactual, if Steve
2574
01:52:50.939 --> 01:52:56.739
Jobs' co-founder was Ja Rule rather than Steve Wozniak, the
2575
01:52:56.779 --> 01:52:59.439
McFarlane story is very– obviously, it's on him for selecting
2576
01:52:59.590 --> 01:53:03.210
Ja Rule. But if you would have selected a good operator,
2577
01:53:03.229 --> 01:53:04.829
what would have happened?
2578
01:53:04.869 --> 01:53:05.789
Question. Question.
2579
01:53:06.270 --> 01:53:09.619
What businesses would be made better by adding Ja Rule in?
2580
01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:13.699
That's a great question.
2581
01:53:13.720 --> 01:53:15.590
Have you seen the old thing? What does jaw have
2582
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:16.119
to say about this?
2583
01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:20.609
One of the all-time old internet memes.
2584
01:53:21.289 --> 01:53:25.270
There's a phrase that I've been very interested in recently
2585
01:53:25.310 --> 01:53:27.449
called supernormal stimuli. Have you guys heard this?
2586
01:53:27.569 --> 01:53:27.710
Yeah.
2587
01:53:28.229 --> 01:53:30.829
It's pretty fascinating. You might be able to explain it.
2588
01:53:31.420 --> 01:53:32.939
Skinnerian behaviorism stuff.
2589
01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:36.560
Basically, there was a scientist. He won the Nobel Prize
2590
01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:39.270
for this. What he studied was He got famous because
2591
01:53:39.310 --> 01:53:41.310
instead of doing studies in a lab, he just went
2592
01:53:41.329 --> 01:53:42.390
out into the wild. It was like, what do I
2593
01:53:42.409 --> 01:53:45.109
observe is actually true. And then if I tweak a variable,
2594
01:53:45.500 --> 01:53:47.739
can I just leave it in, in the real environment
2595
01:53:47.779 --> 01:53:50.329
and see what happens? And so what he did was, uh,
2596
01:53:50.380 --> 01:53:53.460
you know, birds, the core behavior of a bird is
2597
01:53:53.520 --> 01:53:55.979
to sit on, uh, the egg, keep the egg warm.
2598
01:53:56.359 --> 01:53:59.720
That's your baby. That's like the entire, like Darwinian pressure
2599
01:53:59.819 --> 01:54:03.079
is to keep this egg alive. So he goes, awesome.
2600
01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:07.489
Bird loves egg. Does bird love bigger egg? Does bird
2601
01:54:07.510 --> 01:54:10.270
love pink egg? Bird love pink polka dot egg. So
2602
01:54:10.289 --> 01:54:14.000
he started putting a fake bigger egg with bigger dots
2603
01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:16.279
and bigger, brighter colors, put it next to it. And
2604
01:54:16.300 --> 01:54:18.579
guess what the bird does? Gets off its real egg
2605
01:54:18.619 --> 01:54:21.060
and goes, sits on the fake egg because it's more stable.
2606
01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:23.340
He hijacked the brain. And so his point wasn't like,
2607
01:54:23.380 --> 01:54:26.100
it's not like some rational pros and cons list decision.
2608
01:54:26.640 --> 01:54:30.600
Bird just had a deep, like a part of his
2609
01:54:30.659 --> 01:54:33.300
brain that you could just hijack by changing the, to
2610
01:54:33.340 --> 01:54:35.720
give it a, what he calls a super normal stimulus.
2611
01:54:36.229 --> 01:54:37.409
So he would give him a bigger egg. And he
2612
01:54:37.430 --> 01:54:38.829
could just keep doing this up to the point where
2613
01:54:38.850 --> 01:54:42.090
it's almost comical. The egg is so big that a bird, finally,
2614
01:54:42.109 --> 01:54:43.829
when he's like, I can't even sit on this egg. Okay,
2615
01:54:43.890 --> 01:54:46.289
I guess that's too big, right? And like, you know,
2616
01:54:46.329 --> 01:54:49.250
you walk around and you'll see people with crazy lip
2617
01:54:49.289 --> 01:54:51.439
fillers and BBLs. And it's like, what is it? It's
2618
01:54:51.479 --> 01:54:55.100
a supernormal stimulus. It's the same thing. It's like, there's
2619
01:54:55.140 --> 01:54:57.920
a way to hijack the mind, beauty, color. If you
2620
01:54:57.939 --> 01:55:00.279
go to the grocery store, what do the food companies do?
2621
01:55:00.300 --> 01:55:02.380
They basically take your normal stimulus. So like, you know,
2622
01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:05.430
the humans were evolved to, We like salt because we
2623
01:55:05.449 --> 01:55:07.829
need electrolytes. We like fat for a certain reason. We
2624
01:55:07.890 --> 01:55:10.529
need certain things in our diet. So they just said, well,
2625
01:55:10.550 --> 01:55:11.729
what if I give you a lot of salt? What
2626
01:55:11.750 --> 01:55:14.390
if I give you fucking Doritos, Cooler Ranch? What if
2627
01:55:14.409 --> 01:55:17.270
I give you triple, you know, triple pack Dorito, Loco, Taco, whatever?
2628
01:55:17.649 --> 01:55:20.189
And you eventually get a supernormal stimulus that you really
2629
01:55:20.250 --> 01:55:24.409
can't like resist. Your body has this like extreme like
2630
01:55:24.489 --> 01:55:25.170
pull towards it.
2631
01:55:25.229 --> 01:55:29.600
You know, my favorite supernormal stimuli is hunter gatherers eating
2632
01:55:29.659 --> 01:55:30.899
cheesecake for the first time.
2633
01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:31.539
Wow.
2634
01:55:32.500 --> 01:55:36.439
Because it is so unique. There's a process called orification.
2635
01:55:36.539 --> 01:55:40.380
So orification is the design of texture of foods. And
2636
01:55:40.619 --> 01:55:43.930
if you think about ancestrally, almost every food that you
2637
01:55:43.939 --> 01:55:49.649
can think of is a single texture. Meat, cooked, slimy-ish,
2638
01:55:49.789 --> 01:55:51.069
a little bit.
2639
01:55:51.109 --> 01:55:51.409
There we go.
2640
01:55:51.430 --> 01:55:53.449
Supernormal stimuli. Let's see how this is getting on.
2641
01:55:54.130 --> 01:55:56.689
Yeah, I'm out on this now. Two hours in.
2642
01:55:56.689 --> 01:55:57.210
I'm still enjoying it.
2643
01:55:57.210 --> 01:55:57.710
I think I'm hungry.
2644
01:55:57.729 --> 01:55:58.250
Oreos.
2645
01:55:59.350 --> 01:55:59.710
Oreos.
2646
01:56:01.420 --> 01:56:03.180
Crunchy on the outside, fluffy on the inside.
2647
01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:03.920
Fries.
2648
01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:07.069
But what's interesting about the cheesecake thing is that you
2649
01:56:07.109 --> 01:56:12.029
have fat with carbs and sugar, unbelievably rare, and you
2650
01:56:12.050 --> 01:56:14.250
have sort of the crunchiness of the base, and you
2651
01:56:14.270 --> 01:56:16.890
can tell I'm hungry, and the fluffiness of the top
2652
01:56:16.930 --> 01:56:19.590
of the cheesecake. And they give these to hunter-gatherers, and
2653
01:56:19.609 --> 01:56:24.279
their fucking minds are... It's a flavor explosion. But yeah,
2654
01:56:24.380 --> 01:56:27.739
there's a really great one that... I think it's beetles,
2655
01:56:27.779 --> 01:56:30.420
a type of beetle, dung beetle perhaps, or some other beetle...
2656
01:56:30.619 --> 01:56:33.579
They're attracted, they're sexually attracted to the shininess of the shell,
2657
01:56:34.020 --> 01:56:38.460
the shininess of the top. But as glass bottles became prevalent,
2658
01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:42.470
the beetle population was going down because the glass bottles
2659
01:56:42.529 --> 01:56:46.069
were shinier and bigger than the beetles were. So they
2660
01:56:46.090 --> 01:56:48.949
were driving themselves into extinction, not mating with each other
2661
01:56:49.149 --> 01:56:52.029
and just mating with glass bottles because that was a
2662
01:56:52.069 --> 01:56:56.260
super normal stimuli. And what happens with the cosmetic surgery,
2663
01:56:56.279 --> 01:56:58.979
the big lips, the big boobs thing, you get something
2664
01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:03.670
called fisherian runaway. So fisherian runaway is this sort of recursive,
2665
01:57:04.229 --> 01:57:09.970
insane expansion of typically like sexually dimorphic traits, sexually provocative traits.
2666
01:57:10.510 --> 01:57:13.720
And you end up with peacocks who've got tails so
2667
01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:17.500
big that they can't move, with deer whose antlers are
2668
01:57:17.539 --> 01:57:19.720
so large they can't lift their heads up and they die,
2669
01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:23.739
with women who've got boobs that are so big that
2670
01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:26.779
they end up with back pain. And they're unable, let's
2671
01:57:26.800 --> 01:57:28.659
say that you took it to the absolute extreme, you
2672
01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:31.220
were no longer able to procreate the reason for that
2673
01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:34.000
trait in the first place, but you'd done something that
2674
01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:35.699
destroyed your hips and now it meant that you needed
2675
01:57:35.720 --> 01:57:38.800
to have a hysterectomy and you couldn't have your uterus anymore.
2676
01:57:38.840 --> 01:57:40.960
And now you've killed your chance at doing the thing
2677
01:57:41.340 --> 01:57:43.899
by having it run away with itself. The same as
2678
01:57:44.060 --> 01:57:48.909
some of those deers or rams where the size of
2679
01:57:48.970 --> 01:57:52.069
their antler things dig into their own head and kill them.
2680
01:57:52.510 --> 01:57:53.270
Oh, yeah, I've seen that.
2681
01:57:54.050 --> 01:57:54.869
Fucking molly.
2682
01:57:55.390 --> 01:57:58.430
Wow. It's funny how it's kind of like a meta...
2683
01:57:58.720 --> 01:58:02.229
discourse where you know you're talking earlier about the platforms
2684
01:58:02.289 --> 01:58:04.050
and the feedback loops and then you end up like
2685
01:58:04.069 --> 01:58:06.899
going so right but that's kind of nature's homegrown version.
2686
01:58:06.939 --> 01:58:12.079
It's the same dynamic. That's what you've seen on social
2687
01:58:12.140 --> 01:58:15.420
media is tapping into this exact dynamic. It's the same thing.
2688
01:58:16.020 --> 01:58:18.100
It's just that you've had to replicate it digitally.
2689
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:20.279
There's a great tweet that this guy Jay Alto said.
2690
01:58:20.300 --> 01:58:22.729
He said, you pity the moth for confusing the lamp
2691
01:58:22.770 --> 01:58:25.010
for the moon. Yet here you are confusing a screen
2692
01:58:25.050 --> 01:58:25.550
for the world.
2693
01:58:25.850 --> 01:58:28.470
Fucking slur. It's one of the best tweets of this year.
2694
01:58:28.590 --> 01:58:31.470
Yeah, it's amazing. But there is a solve, right? Because
2695
01:58:31.590 --> 01:58:32.569
you hear this and you're like, oh, great.
2696
01:58:32.609 --> 01:58:32.869
Well, fuck.
2697
01:58:33.210 --> 01:58:35.090
It's like, no, there's got to be some sort of
2698
01:58:35.149 --> 01:58:38.689
antidote to this. And the interesting part was the equation
2699
01:58:38.729 --> 01:58:41.409
goes like this. It's basically how powerful is the stimulus,
2700
01:58:41.430 --> 01:58:43.909
so the flavor of the food, the size of the feathers, whatever,
2701
01:58:44.630 --> 01:58:47.569
versus your baseline norm, what you are used to. And
2702
01:58:47.590 --> 01:58:49.550
the cool thing is basically like there's this arms race
2703
01:58:49.590 --> 01:58:51.229
where they keep escalating. So the more you do it,
2704
01:58:51.229 --> 01:58:52.289
the more you get used to it, then you need
2705
01:58:52.310 --> 01:58:54.489
a bigger stimulus and a bigger, you need a bigger
2706
01:58:54.529 --> 01:58:56.229
tweet and a bigger TikTok and more views on the
2707
01:58:56.270 --> 01:58:58.609
next video and you need a stronger flavor. But all
2708
01:58:58.630 --> 01:59:00.029
you got to do is basically detox for a very
2709
01:59:00.069 --> 01:59:02.079
short amount of time and reset. Like if anybody's ever
2710
01:59:02.140 --> 01:59:04.899
given up soda for like, you know, a couple months
2711
01:59:04.939 --> 01:59:07.359
or a couple years, if you go back to it,
2712
01:59:07.420 --> 01:59:10.319
it tastes like horrible. It's like so syrupy. It's too sweet.
2713
01:59:10.399 --> 01:59:12.239
You can't handle it. But you used to drink eight
2714
01:59:12.279 --> 01:59:14.899
Diet Cokes. And the reason why is because you can
2715
01:59:14.939 --> 01:59:19.760
reset the denominator essentially instead of, Trying to avoid the
2716
01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:23.010
forces of commercialization that are trying to stimulate you.
2717
01:59:23.210 --> 01:59:26.670
What's that CuckFucius sub stack that me and you like?
2718
01:59:27.010 --> 01:59:28.850
You see his staring at a wall experiment.
2719
01:59:29.090 --> 01:59:29.229
No.
2720
01:59:29.750 --> 01:59:32.770
So this guy's sub stack, it's pretty niche, but it's
2721
01:59:32.970 --> 01:59:35.149
fucking- CuckFucius. CuckFucius. He's great.
2722
01:59:35.220 --> 01:59:37.750
He's great. Really well written. You would love it.
2723
01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:40.300
Fucking great. I mean, George introduced me to him and
2724
01:59:40.340 --> 01:59:43.420
now I'm pretty- His first post that I saw was,
2725
01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:47.640
I am Andrew Puberman. That was the first blog post
2726
01:59:47.659 --> 01:59:48.380
that I read from him.
2727
01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:49.079
Subscribe.
2728
01:59:50.699 --> 01:59:54.369
And he's doing an experiment. He did an experiment, I think,
2729
01:59:54.390 --> 01:59:57.449
for 30 days where he stared at a wall for
2730
01:59:57.470 --> 01:59:59.789
an hour. And this is kind of a twist on
2731
01:59:59.829 --> 02:00:03.130
an ancient Eastern practice, which I think Dr. K's got
2732
02:00:03.170 --> 02:00:06.399
his clients to do as well. After 20 minutes, some
2733
02:00:06.420 --> 02:00:08.560
people burst into tears. Some people are screaming.
2734
02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:09.979
They kind of go a little bit.
2735
02:00:10.640 --> 02:00:14.880
Yeah, because at least what I think is happening, they're
2736
02:00:15.380 --> 02:00:18.859
baseline of stimulus is so low. Even if you're in
2737
02:00:18.880 --> 02:00:21.069
the shower, you're doing stuff. Even if you're going for
2738
02:00:21.090 --> 02:00:23.689
a walk, things are moving past you, right? You're locomoting
2739
02:00:23.729 --> 02:00:24.789
and you see the fucking world.
2740
02:00:24.810 --> 02:00:26.270
But all they're doing is staring at a wall?
2741
02:00:26.329 --> 02:00:28.409
Staring at a wall for an hour. I would, I mean,
2742
02:00:28.649 --> 02:00:28.949
let's see.
2743
02:00:28.989 --> 02:00:31.600
You know what would be an interesting test? Take people
2744
02:00:31.619 --> 02:00:33.800
that have been to jail and compare them to people
2745
02:00:33.819 --> 02:00:38.510
that haven't. Because that's basically what the jail is. Dude,
2746
02:00:38.689 --> 02:00:41.069
I was in fucking in-school suspension when I was a
2747
02:00:41.090 --> 02:00:43.649
teenager for like weeks on end, and all I did
2748
02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:45.319
was stare at a fucking wall. It didn't make me
2749
02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:47.340
go crazy. That's just weird.
2750
02:00:47.359 --> 02:00:51.579
Well, I mean, present evidence may suggest otherwise. It was
2751
02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:54.180
just a fucking delayed onset, dude.
2752
02:00:55.399 --> 02:00:59.050
Wasn't it? There's a few, like the most extreme versions
2753
02:00:59.090 --> 02:01:03.109
of this you've got, I've never fully verified this one,
2754
02:01:03.130 --> 02:01:08.159
but of monks who've, meditated for such a significant period
2755
02:01:08.180 --> 02:01:11.239
of time are in, I think it's like three standard deviations.
2756
02:01:11.539 --> 02:01:11.939
Happiness.
2757
02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:16.270
Of happiness. So like, it's like the 0.000001%. My favorite,
2758
02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:17.649
and I'm always a bit like, it's a bit of
2759
02:01:17.689 --> 02:01:19.350
a study, but I'm like, fuck, this one's not a
2760
02:01:19.350 --> 02:01:24.090
study of the guy who set himself on fire to
2761
02:01:24.130 --> 02:01:25.869
protest the Vietnam war. I don't know if Jared, if
2762
02:01:25.890 --> 02:01:26.729
you could pull that one up.
2763
02:01:27.470 --> 02:01:27.850
The monk?
2764
02:01:28.010 --> 02:01:30.109
Yeah. The monk who set himself on fire, who just
2765
02:01:30.130 --> 02:01:33.909
literally walks out, sits in lotus position, sets himself on fire.
2766
02:01:34.329 --> 02:01:37.449
doesn't premise blink or flinch. And at that moment I
2767
02:01:37.470 --> 02:01:39.960
was like, huh, maybe there is something to meditate.
2768
02:01:40.380 --> 02:01:41.180
Studies don't need to show.
2769
02:01:41.260 --> 02:01:43.020
Yeah. Studies don't need to show.
2770
02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:47.800
I think it's Ken Burns, Vietnam documentary that covers this
2771
02:01:47.880 --> 02:01:48.399
really well.
2772
02:01:48.420 --> 02:01:51.579
You hear about his heart? Whose heart? The guy. So
2773
02:01:51.619 --> 02:01:53.659
this is like kind of a Buddhist, a Buddhist philosophy
2774
02:01:53.720 --> 02:01:55.880
that I'm like a Buddhist part of the story, which
2775
02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:59.600
was his heart didn't set on fire. So his heart
2776
02:01:59.619 --> 02:02:01.510
was like kind of completely normal. His whole body went
2777
02:02:01.520 --> 02:02:03.510
to Chris, but his heart was still there. I think
2778
02:02:03.810 --> 02:02:05.189
you could check this, Jared, but I think in the
2779
02:02:05.210 --> 02:02:07.449
cremation period, they tried to cremate his heart and it
2780
02:02:07.489 --> 02:02:09.670
refused to burn. It's like, it's a very surreal, it
2781
02:02:09.689 --> 02:02:12.649
could be a complete myth, but as soon as I
2782
02:02:12.689 --> 02:02:14.760
see this, any of my questions around what the human
2783
02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:16.840
mind is capable of goes out the window.
2784
02:02:16.859 --> 02:02:21.000
Homeboy sat in full Lotus, just barbecuing anything around him. Yeah,
2785
02:02:21.039 --> 02:02:21.600
that's crazy.
2786
02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:23.239
You can see the gasoline tank there.
2787
02:02:23.460 --> 02:02:25.840
There's a guy who's trying the screen experiment. Have you
2788
02:02:25.859 --> 02:02:26.680
seen this? The guy who's.
2789
02:02:26.579 --> 02:02:28.039
Doing one year, no screens experiment.
2790
02:02:29.140 --> 02:02:31.579
He's trying to Brian Johnson, but just a no screen.
2791
02:02:31.659 --> 02:02:33.899
And he's scanning his brain before and after.
2792
02:02:33.939 --> 02:02:34.779
How far into it is he?
2793
02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:35.720
Like a day.
2794
02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:37.579
He just started.
2795
02:02:37.600 --> 02:02:41.390
He's been staring at a wall. He finished all the things.
2796
02:02:41.430 --> 02:02:44.149
He's like, I'm going to avoid this guy, David Daines.
2797
02:02:44.390 --> 02:02:46.449
Today I'm scanning my brain before I spend a year
2798
02:02:46.489 --> 02:02:50.010
without screens. They expect brain function to change, but whether
2799
02:02:50.029 --> 02:02:52.270
the structure self changes, nobody seems to know. And he's
2800
02:02:52.289 --> 02:02:54.689
got his website where you could just like, you're going
2801
02:02:54.710 --> 02:02:56.170
to be able to see the updates.
2802
02:02:55.989 --> 02:02:59.020
Of the results. Imagine how hard it would be to not...
2803
02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:02.289
It's like not being exposed to fucking microplastics, dude. I mean,
2804
02:03:02.310 --> 02:03:04.750
you know, he's going to be looking at a screen
2805
02:03:04.810 --> 02:03:06.670
in an airport. He's going to go to the gym
2806
02:03:06.810 --> 02:03:07.750
and there's going to be stuff around.
2807
02:03:07.770 --> 02:03:09.710
So he's really... Oh, it applies to that too.
2808
02:03:09.789 --> 02:03:12.300
I assume no screens anywhere. That's his goal.
2809
02:03:12.479 --> 02:03:14.739
I assume he meant like phone, TV, like personal screens.
2810
02:03:14.760 --> 02:03:17.159
You mean he's not going to ever look at any...
2811
02:03:17.079 --> 02:03:18.180
I think that's the intent.
2812
02:03:18.220 --> 02:03:19.079
He's going Amish.
2813
02:03:19.140 --> 02:03:21.640
If it's not, come on. You've got to go all
2814
02:03:21.659 --> 02:03:21.920
the way.
2815
02:03:21.939 --> 02:03:24.090
You're going to have to have fucking blinkers on.
2816
02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:26.630
See if you can find the rules of the challenge.
2817
02:03:26.670 --> 02:03:29.000
But yeah, that's... It's pretty unreal.
2818
02:03:29.220 --> 02:03:32.500
Hey, what was that quote you said maybe 10 minutes
2819
02:03:32.539 --> 02:03:35.720
ago about the person that you look at the screen
2820
02:03:35.760 --> 02:03:36.439
and it's reality?
2821
02:03:36.460 --> 02:03:37.619
What did you say?
2822
02:03:38.159 --> 02:03:41.020
We laugh when the moth confuses a lamp for the moon,
2823
02:03:41.060 --> 02:03:43.060
but here we are confusing the screen for the world.
2824
02:03:43.300 --> 02:03:45.800
Okay, map that onto AI.
2825
02:03:45.819 --> 02:03:47.680
What do you mean?
2826
02:03:47.760 --> 02:03:51.560
Just in general. I don't know, in 50 years, people
2827
02:03:51.590 --> 02:03:55.270
are going to be laughing at us because of whatever
2828
02:03:55.310 --> 02:03:56.189
we were doing right now.
2829
02:03:57.060 --> 02:03:59.399
Like we're confusing AI for real intelligence? Or what do
2830
02:03:59.420 --> 02:03:59.699
you mean?
2831
02:04:00.020 --> 02:04:01.840
I don't really know. When you said that, it made
2832
02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:03.720
me think of how AI is going to be like,
2833
02:04:04.899 --> 02:04:07.619
people are going to laugh at us in 50 years
2834
02:04:07.689 --> 02:04:10.149
for what we thought was good AI. That's what I
2835
02:04:10.170 --> 02:04:11.170
thought of when you said.
2836
02:04:10.989 --> 02:04:11.729
That for some reason.
2837
02:04:11.810 --> 02:04:12.189
Oh, yeah.
2838
02:04:12.350 --> 02:04:14.569
I mean, that curve of technology.
2839
02:04:14.829 --> 02:04:17.689
They're going to look at us right now in 50
2840
02:04:17.689 --> 02:04:20.970
or 100 years, like we're the fucking moth that thinks
2841
02:04:21.029 --> 02:04:21.710
the lamp is a.
2842
02:04:22.069 --> 02:04:26.270
Did you guys watch the... You mentioned Demis. You mentioned
2843
02:04:26.289 --> 02:04:30.529
Demis from DeepMind. Did you watch the documentary? It's amazing.
2844
02:04:31.470 --> 02:04:34.109
He's got this, the guy who created DeepMind, which kind
2845
02:04:34.130 --> 02:04:36.729
of kicked off this whole AI wave. He has his
2846
02:04:36.750 --> 02:04:39.250
documentary on Amazon, I think, called The Thinking Game.
2847
02:04:39.680 --> 02:04:40.439
It's on YouTube now.
2848
02:04:40.449 --> 02:04:41.340
Oh, it's on YouTube.
2849
02:04:41.399 --> 02:04:42.260
It's so good.
2850
02:04:42.340 --> 02:04:43.420
Highly recommend to anyone.
2851
02:04:43.460 --> 02:04:45.180
Dennis, if you're listening, I want to bring you on
2852
02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:46.119
the show. Reply to my emails.
2853
02:04:46.960 --> 02:04:50.380
Dude, he's cool. He was like a six-year-old child prodigy,
2854
02:04:50.760 --> 02:04:55.460
chess player, et cetera. But like that moment of move 37,
2855
02:04:55.460 --> 02:04:56.840
It's just like, cheers. You know what I mean? I
2856
02:04:56.859 --> 02:04:58.720
feel like that's like a turning point in human history
2857
02:04:58.760 --> 02:05:00.239
was this move 37 moment.
2858
02:05:00.539 --> 02:05:03.899
Basically, Google DeepMind has... I mean, they seem to be
2859
02:05:04.939 --> 02:05:11.199
the most safety conscious kind of very human approach to
2860
02:05:11.220 --> 02:05:12.699
this AI race at the moment.
2861
02:05:12.739 --> 02:05:12.899
Yes.
2862
02:05:13.300 --> 02:05:17.199
But I don't know if... I mean, the whole point
2863
02:05:17.680 --> 02:05:21.619
of this, which is why Scott Alexander thinks that anthropic
2864
02:05:21.859 --> 02:05:25.819
is the antichrist, because... the antichrist will come and make
2865
02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:30.310
you think that they're not. So in this whole AI,
2866
02:05:30.329 --> 02:05:32.270
that was the whole point that I had with Tristan Harris,
2867
02:05:32.329 --> 02:05:35.789
is everyone wants to cast aspersions at companies, like OpenAI,
2868
02:05:35.810 --> 02:05:37.510
I don't like you because you did this, and I
2869
02:05:37.569 --> 02:05:39.689
don't like Google because they did that, or Grok, I
2870
02:05:39.710 --> 02:05:42.119
don't like you because you did the whatever. It's like, hey, dude,
2871
02:05:42.220 --> 02:05:44.659
it doesn't matter what somebody's stated fucking safety goals are.
2872
02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:47.960
These guys are speed running through model development as quickly
2873
02:05:48.020 --> 02:05:51.439
as possible. And if they don't, They lose.
2874
02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:52.800
They're out, yeah. They lose.
2875
02:05:52.960 --> 02:05:54.739
So just look at the incentives. Don't look at the
2876
02:05:54.779 --> 02:05:55.699
fucking press release.
2877
02:05:55.960 --> 02:05:56.119
Right.
2878
02:05:56.239 --> 02:05:59.340
Like, yeah, the Anthropic Super Bowl ads were fucking hilarious.
2879
02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:03.300
But don't... And they decided not to do the thing
2880
02:06:03.340 --> 02:06:05.149
for the Department of War and they did whatever stuff.
2881
02:06:05.319 --> 02:06:07.989
It's like, dude, don't fucking, like, get lost in the source.
2882
02:06:08.369 --> 02:06:10.489
These people are playing the exact same fucking game just
2883
02:06:10.529 --> 02:06:12.130
with slightly better PR. Yeah.
2884
02:06:12.590 --> 02:06:14.930
It does seem there's a huge Doomer, like, narrative right
2885
02:06:14.970 --> 02:06:16.989
now around AI that's becoming more and more popular.
2886
02:06:17.010 --> 02:06:17.789
Listen to more Friedberg.
2887
02:06:18.010 --> 02:06:22.880
Yeah. I mean, like, from... The wider question of what happens,
2888
02:06:22.920 --> 02:06:27.619
I don't know. But from firsthand experience, for myself, because
2889
02:06:27.640 --> 02:06:29.079
the image models are getting so good now, I've had
2890
02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:32.560
like a, it's called seborrheic dermatitis for about 10 years.
2891
02:06:32.699 --> 02:06:34.170
Sometimes it gets so bad, I wouldn't want to go outside,
2892
02:06:34.189 --> 02:06:36.050
like level of bad. I just showed it to Gemini.
2893
02:06:36.069 --> 02:06:37.069
What does that mean?
2894
02:06:37.189 --> 02:06:38.609
So it's basically, you're kind of like, there'll be a
2895
02:06:38.609 --> 02:06:40.430
lot of people listening that have it. It affects like
2896
02:06:40.470 --> 02:06:41.829
five to 10% of the population and your face will
2897
02:06:41.850 --> 02:06:43.850
just break out in like really bad eczema. So I
2898
02:06:43.890 --> 02:06:46.039
went to one doctor who basically got me on a
2899
02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:48.000
steroid cream and said, the reason why you have it
2900
02:06:48.020 --> 02:06:49.500
is because of stress. It's like quite well known because
2901
02:06:49.539 --> 02:06:52.649
of stress. carried on i started like meditating like fixing
2902
02:06:52.670 --> 02:06:54.289
my diet i basically didn't eat sugar for like two
2903
02:06:54.310 --> 02:06:56.170
years and it calmed it down i was like oh
2904
02:06:56.229 --> 02:06:58.310
it's because of sugar and then i saw a second
2905
02:06:58.329 --> 02:07:01.430
doctor um and she said yeah you're too stressed out
2906
02:07:01.470 --> 02:07:03.229
my fuck i'm getting stressed out by your guys diagnosis
2907
02:07:03.250 --> 02:07:05.449
that i'm stressed out so she recommends another steroid cream
2908
02:07:06.029 --> 02:07:08.569
i end up tracking it for ages and i just
2909
02:07:08.609 --> 02:07:10.399
upload the whole document to gemini and he goes oh
2910
02:07:10.439 --> 02:07:13.590
no Just, just put Nizoral on your face. So anybody
2911
02:07:13.600 --> 02:07:16.289
who has subatomic dermatitis, it fixes it for like 90%
2912
02:07:16.289 --> 02:07:16.670
of people.
2913
02:07:16.789 --> 02:07:18.569
And Nizoral is a medicine or it's like shampoo?
2914
02:07:18.590 --> 02:07:20.750
It's a fucking shampoo. Shampoo you can get for a
2915
02:07:20.770 --> 02:07:23.470
few dollars. And like, I've never had it ever again since.
2916
02:07:23.649 --> 02:07:25.010
I have 10 years, never had it ever again since.
2917
02:07:25.029 --> 02:07:27.590
And that's just that. But these stories are like, it's
2918
02:07:27.670 --> 02:07:31.069
not as, it's not as sexy as like the, the
2919
02:07:31.109 --> 02:07:32.909
guy speaks to the LLM and decides to take his
2920
02:07:32.949 --> 02:07:34.920
own life. It's not that that's like a, obviously a
2921
02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:37.199
horrific story. If it's even fucking true, I don't know. Um,
2922
02:07:37.520 --> 02:07:40.369
but like, I know just so many people whose health
2923
02:07:40.449 --> 02:07:44.779
is genuinely being revolutionized by these things. We just have
2924
02:07:44.859 --> 02:07:47.300
such an anchor towards negativity.
2925
02:07:48.180 --> 02:07:51.260
Also, you're always going to push back against some new
2926
02:07:51.340 --> 02:07:52.399
technological development.
2927
02:07:52.420 --> 02:07:56.850
Yes, it's the most recurring lesson throughout history. I was reading,
2928
02:07:56.869 --> 02:07:58.649
because I was fascinated by AI coming on. I was like,
2929
02:07:58.970 --> 02:08:01.659
I want to go study the... industrial revolution what was
2930
02:08:01.699 --> 02:08:04.859
fascinating at the time you had two groups that came
2931
02:08:04.899 --> 02:08:06.659
up you had the luddites who would just basically go
2932
02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:08.659
and smash the factories in and you saw this recently
2933
02:08:08.699 --> 02:08:10.800
with sam altman having a molotov cocktail thrown at his
2934
02:08:10.819 --> 02:08:13.100
house um a week ago but then you also had
2935
02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:16.020
the romantics so the romantics would kind of pine about
2936
02:08:16.060 --> 02:08:17.350
and you kind of see this now the ai where
2937
02:08:17.359 --> 02:08:21.310
it's like they'll call things slop, which are. You do
2938
02:08:21.350 --> 02:08:23.149
want the Luddites and you do want the Romantics because
2939
02:08:23.170 --> 02:08:28.470
they kind of act as a balancing arc to the progression.
2940
02:08:28.489 --> 02:08:31.430
But I think, net-net, most people alive today do not
2941
02:08:31.449 --> 02:08:34.649
want to go back to pre-industrial revolution. The option is
2942
02:08:34.689 --> 02:08:36.250
to go to Amish if you do want to. That
2943
02:08:36.289 --> 02:08:38.329
is available if you want to go Amish, but nobody does.
2944
02:08:39.810 --> 02:08:43.409
I think AI is going to make people go fucking insane. Yeah? Yeah.
2945
02:08:43.569 --> 02:08:45.649
Because we're getting to a point where.
2946
02:08:46.539 --> 02:08:47.579
I was going to say, but pull it, Jared, if
2947
02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:49.140
you can pull up the new thing, I don't know, um,
2948
02:08:49.420 --> 02:08:51.100
the FT producers, I don't know how true it is,
2949
02:08:51.460 --> 02:08:53.989
but essentially they argue it's, um, it's making people less
2950
02:08:54.029 --> 02:08:57.029
polarized immediately where social media was pushing people further to
2951
02:08:57.050 --> 02:08:59.010
the left and the right. Whereas AI, you can kind
2952
02:08:59.050 --> 02:09:00.850
of already see with Grok now, they fact check people
2953
02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:02.659
a lot more. So they're bringing a lot more people
2954
02:09:02.680 --> 02:09:04.380
into the center. Well, why do you think it'll make?
2955
02:09:04.399 --> 02:09:06.819
Because dude, it's, we live in a post-truth age now.
2956
02:09:06.840 --> 02:09:08.800
There's no way to determine what, what flavor is it?
2957
02:09:08.859 --> 02:09:09.880
This is sweet whiskey.
2958
02:09:09.899 --> 02:09:10.539
You want sweet whiskey?
2959
02:09:10.560 --> 02:09:10.779
Yeah, dude.
2960
02:09:10.800 --> 02:09:12.000
You're gonna have two toothpicks in?
2961
02:09:12.039 --> 02:09:12.579
That's fucking dumb.
2962
02:09:12.600 --> 02:09:13.229
Yeah, I'm doubling down.
2963
02:09:13.239 --> 02:09:13.600
Let's go.
2964
02:09:13.649 --> 02:09:14.159
Jesus Christ.
2965
02:09:14.199 --> 02:09:16.710
What, um, there's a, well, I'm not using them to
2966
02:09:16.750 --> 02:09:19.510
actually pick my teeth. I'm just.
2967
02:09:19.550 --> 02:09:21.489
No, no, but just, you, you, you need so many
2968
02:09:21.550 --> 02:09:25.109
stimulants that you've got one new tonic toothpick, one Zippix toothpick.
2969
02:09:25.229 --> 02:09:25.500
Yeah, no.
2970
02:09:25.510 --> 02:09:27.229
And I'm coming down off that Kratom right now.
2971
02:09:27.529 --> 02:09:27.890
Slow motion.
2972
02:09:31.020 --> 02:09:35.479
Uh, uh, I think that deep fakes and, uh, maybe
2973
02:09:35.520 --> 02:09:38.520
it's more so in America than other places, but after
2974
02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:42.090
the Charlie Kirk assassination, there's all these conspiracy theories left
2975
02:09:42.149 --> 02:09:45.649
and right about whether it was Israel did it, or
2976
02:09:45.689 --> 02:09:48.210
it's a hologram or if this guy was real, like
2977
02:09:48.229 --> 02:09:49.430
there's all this crazy shit.
2978
02:09:49.510 --> 02:09:49.729
Right.
2979
02:09:49.850 --> 02:09:53.760
And, um, nobody's going to be saying it's a, something like, oh,
2980
02:09:53.800 --> 02:09:56.560
this is a hologram or this was AI without the
2981
02:09:56.680 --> 02:09:58.600
advent of AI being able to create deep fakes that
2982
02:09:58.640 --> 02:10:01.149
are largely fake. I mean, look at boomers, dude. They
2983
02:10:01.170 --> 02:10:03.939
believe all sorts of crazy shit. And we're like, fucking idiots.
2984
02:10:04.100 --> 02:10:06.340
That's what I was kind of getting at, I guess,
2985
02:10:06.380 --> 02:10:08.520
with what I was saying to you about that comment.
2986
02:10:08.539 --> 02:10:11.520
But we're never going to know, I mean, ever what
2987
02:10:11.659 --> 02:10:14.359
actually has happened with anything we know anymore. The truth
2988
02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:16.739
is no longer even fucking matters because it can't be
2989
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:19.279
determined unless you experience it with your own five senses.
2990
02:10:19.310 --> 02:10:22.109
So there's a great chapter in a book called The
2991
02:10:22.130 --> 02:10:25.449
Beginning of Infinity. And essentially his idea is what's known
2992
02:10:25.489 --> 02:10:29.029
as the precautionary principle, which is essentially– The history of
2993
02:10:29.069 --> 02:10:33.479
humanity is essentially problems. Even Great Britain, where me and
2994
02:10:33.500 --> 02:10:37.380
Chris are from, is this human concept. It shouldn't exist.
2995
02:10:38.220 --> 02:10:40.460
In Great Britain, me and my family should fucking die
2996
02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:44.319
of hypothermia. But because we created central heating, we created clothing.
2997
02:10:46.279 --> 02:10:48.680
So we essentially have this whole arc of just problem solving,
2998
02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:50.779
problem solving, problem solving, problem solving. And the problem that
2999
02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:52.659
you then have, ironically, is that when a new problem
3000
02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:54.810
comes along like this, is that you have what's known
3001
02:10:54.819 --> 02:10:56.630
as the precautionary principle, which is we can see the problem,
3002
02:10:56.649 --> 02:10:59.729
but we can't see the solution. But by definition, human
3003
02:10:59.750 --> 02:11:01.189
beings can't forecast a solution because if we have the
3004
02:11:01.210 --> 02:11:04.449
solution for it, we would implement it and be worth trillionaires.
3005
02:11:04.609 --> 02:11:06.149
But what you end up having is kind of 7
3006
02:11:06.149 --> 02:11:09.229
billion people working towards this potential problem. You saw it
3007
02:11:09.250 --> 02:11:14.010
with COVID. It's very unsexy to say, but I'm pretty
3008
02:11:14.050 --> 02:11:16.789
optimistic when it comes to humans' abilities to solve problems.
3009
02:11:18.229 --> 02:11:19.729
I think a lot of this stuff we can fix.
3010
02:11:19.930 --> 02:11:22.189
Speaking of AI, did you see this Allbirds pivot?
3011
02:11:22.739 --> 02:11:23.659
Oh, dude, that's insane.
3012
02:11:23.729 --> 02:11:26.149
Can you explain for the class, please, what the fuck
3013
02:11:26.189 --> 02:11:26.630
just happened?
3014
02:11:26.689 --> 02:11:30.390
Allbirds, which was like a popular shoe amongst tech guys,
3015
02:11:30.409 --> 02:11:31.869
at least. I don't know how popular it got outside
3016
02:11:31.890 --> 02:11:33.069
of that, but it was like a niche shoe. It
3017
02:11:33.090 --> 02:11:37.329
was like a wool sneaker. They were like, started small,
3018
02:11:37.390 --> 02:11:40.850
became a public company, but then they started failing. And
3019
02:11:40.890 --> 02:11:43.250
so like the stock has been going down for years.
3020
02:11:43.609 --> 02:11:46.180
I think they were last like, you know, at one
3021
02:11:46.189 --> 02:11:47.899
point like a billion dollar company, they were like a
3022
02:11:47.899 --> 02:11:49.920
$ 50 million company now. So the stock had been.
3023
02:11:49.859 --> 02:11:51.020
Falling, falling, falling, falling, falling.
3024
02:11:51.819 --> 02:11:53.680
And there was really no path. And so these guys
3025
02:11:53.760 --> 02:11:55.380
bought it, I think. And I think what they did
3026
02:11:55.420 --> 02:11:57.420
was they purchased it and they just pivoted to AI.
3027
02:11:57.520 --> 02:12:00.199
And it's like, well, how does a shoe pivot to AI?
3028
02:12:00.220 --> 02:12:01.739
What does that mean? They're like, well, we raised all
3029
02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:04.279
this debt. We're going to buy GPUs and sell them.
3030
02:12:04.300 --> 02:12:06.550
And the stock, like as of this morning is soaring.
3031
02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:08.729
I don't think this is a sustainable thing, but the.
3032
02:12:08.630 --> 02:12:12.479
Company valued at around $ 4 billion at its peak. sold
3033
02:12:12.539 --> 02:12:15.100
the intellectual property and other assets two weeks ago for
3034
02:12:15.100 --> 02:12:15.939
$ 39 million.
3035
02:12:15.939 --> 02:12:17.109
$ 39 million, yeah.
3036
02:12:17.130 --> 02:12:19.189
And then they renamed it like, what, Freebird or something?
3037
02:12:19.210 --> 02:12:19.840
What did they name it?
3038
02:12:19.909 --> 02:12:22.569
The shoe company had a market cap of $ 21 million
3039
02:12:22.949 --> 02:12:27.289
on Tuesday, which climbed to $ 148 million on Wednesday. Just
3040
02:12:27.409 --> 02:12:29.560
by saying, we do AI.
3041
02:12:29.579 --> 02:12:30.000
The words AI.
3042
02:12:30.060 --> 02:12:31.260
And this happened during crypto.
3043
02:12:31.279 --> 02:12:33.239
There was like an iced tea company that was like, yeah,
3044
02:12:33.260 --> 02:12:35.439
we're an iced tea company, but we're a blockchain iced
3045
02:12:35.479 --> 02:12:38.399
tea company. And then there was tons of these companies.
3046
02:12:38.420 --> 02:12:40.039
They would just change their name. They didn't even change
3047
02:12:40.060 --> 02:12:42.319
the underlying business. They just changed the name to like,
3048
02:12:42.640 --> 02:12:46.159
you know, blockchain motor controls, and then their stock would
3049
02:12:46.199 --> 02:12:47.520
pop just because of stupidity.
3050
02:12:47.539 --> 02:12:50.039
Yeah, dude, the one day price move is 582%. Yeah,
3051
02:12:50.140 --> 02:12:52.319
it's stupid.
3052
02:12:52.659 --> 02:12:54.369
There's stupid things that happen. There's like, you know, the
3053
02:12:54.470 --> 02:12:56.409
efficient market hypothesis, and then you.
3054
02:12:56.369 --> 02:12:56.909
Hear this, right?
3055
02:12:56.930 --> 02:12:59.210
Yes, I saw somebody putting like the intelligent investor in
3056
02:12:59.229 --> 02:13:02.010
the bin. It's like giving up on this, yeah.
3057
02:13:02.029 --> 02:13:03.850
Speaking of it, did you guys see, this kind of
3058
02:13:03.909 --> 02:13:06.270
blew my mind. This is more in the kind of
3059
02:13:06.529 --> 02:13:09.180
fear and doom stuff, but did you see the Indian-
3060
02:13:10.350 --> 02:13:12.560
The Indian factory AI thing. Do you see this?
3061
02:13:14.239 --> 02:13:17.079
Whether training people with the cameras?
3062
02:13:17.159 --> 02:13:17.539
Headset.
3063
02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:19.239
Yeah, to fold clothes and shit.
3064
02:13:19.260 --> 02:13:23.079
They're sewing shirts. They're basically folding towels. They're doing shirts.
3065
02:13:23.100 --> 02:13:26.960
But there's giant factories now in India where the primary
3066
02:13:27.319 --> 02:13:31.420
function is you're paid to wear a head camera. And
3067
02:13:31.579 --> 02:13:34.520
it just films you doing a task. And they're basically
3068
02:13:34.699 --> 02:13:37.130
creating all the training data for the robots. Like the
3069
02:13:37.149 --> 02:13:40.649
humans basically creating the training data. Jared, pull this video up.
3070
02:13:40.689 --> 02:13:43.220
It's just kind of striking when you see it. It
3071
02:13:43.270 --> 02:13:44.539
feels like a Black Mirror episode.
3072
02:13:44.600 --> 02:13:49.039
Do you know how Tesla made itself driving so good?
3073
02:13:49.260 --> 02:13:50.560
Do you know how it was trained?
3074
02:13:51.020 --> 02:13:51.600
With a human?
3075
02:13:51.939 --> 02:13:52.640
Yeah.
3076
02:13:53.659 --> 02:13:56.000
So these guys are just working, and these guys have
3077
02:13:56.100 --> 02:13:57.680
neck pain and all this stuff, because they're wearing this
3078
02:13:57.739 --> 02:14:03.359
eight-hour straight. Hey, Sean. There's a company that's basically making
3079
02:14:03.729 --> 02:14:06.630
a lot of money creating this data and selling it
3080
02:14:06.670 --> 02:14:09.479
back to the AI labs, which is pretty wild. And
3081
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:11.590
Elon actually, he gave this interview. He said something that
3082
02:14:11.619 --> 02:14:12.909
nobody really has talked about, but I thought it was
3083
02:14:12.930 --> 02:14:16.489
pretty batshit crazy. They were like, well, the next thing for.
3084
02:14:16.430 --> 02:14:17.250
Tesla is not cars.
3085
02:14:17.310 --> 02:14:18.210
It's his robot.
3086
02:14:18.229 --> 02:14:19.069
They're like, how.
3087
02:14:19.029 --> 02:14:21.289
Are you going to train the robot to do all
3088
02:14:21.310 --> 02:14:23.689
this stuff? For cars, you got the data because humans
3089
02:14:23.710 --> 02:14:25.789
were driving the cars. So you were able to learn
3090
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on millions and millions of miles. How are you going
3091
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to do it with the robots? He's like, well, we're
3092
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building this, I don't know, 100,000 square foot warehouse. And
3093
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we're going to put 10,000 robots in there. And they're
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going to self-play. So if you watch how they train
3095
02:14:41.380 --> 02:14:45.000
the AI to beat Go and chess, there was one way,
3096
02:14:45.039 --> 02:14:48.909
which was you have grandmasters tell hard code rules. Okay,
3097
02:14:48.930 --> 02:14:52.170
what's better than that? You train it on only grandmasters
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02:14:52.930 --> 02:14:56.449
game logs. And then they did this thing called AlphaZero
3099
02:14:56.470 --> 02:14:57.890
where they're like, we're just going to tell you the
3100
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rules of chess. You play yourself 100,000 times, see what happens.
3101
02:15:01.029 --> 02:15:03.630
And that became better than all of the other models
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with no data of how to play chess or how
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02:15:07.859 --> 02:15:10.659
to play Go. And so AlphaZero was this huge breakthrough
3104
02:15:10.920 --> 02:15:13.180
when DeepMind did it. So now Elon's trying to do
3105
02:15:13.199 --> 02:15:14.439
the same thing with robots where he's like, yeah, we
3106
02:15:14.500 --> 02:15:16.239
could do this where we get all the data from
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like human people, like recordings, or we could just create
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a warehouse where we tell them the objectives of the
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02:15:21.430 --> 02:15:23.949
different stations. And then we let them just like fumble
3110
02:15:23.989 --> 02:15:26.369
around trying to figure out like how to use their arms.
3111
02:15:26.409 --> 02:15:28.729
And like, eventually they're just going to figure out, I
3112
02:15:28.760 --> 02:15:30.300
can put 10,000 robots in this box. I'm like, I
3113
02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:33.640
would pay... So much money to watch.
3114
02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:34.720
This live stream.
3115
02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:36.699
What was that?
3116
02:15:36.739 --> 02:15:37.840
Was it Neo?
3117
02:15:38.060 --> 02:15:40.279
Is that the at-home robot? What was the one that's
3118
02:15:40.319 --> 02:15:41.479
made of kind of knitted?
3119
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Yeah, I think Neo is the name of it.
3120
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Neo.
3121
02:15:43.279 --> 02:15:46.199
So this was an at-home assistance robot. There was two versions.
3122
02:15:46.220 --> 02:15:47.899
You could buy it outright. You could rent it. I
3123
02:15:47.930 --> 02:15:49.390
think to rent it, it was actually quite expensive. Was
3124
02:15:49.399 --> 02:15:51.810
it $ 300 a month? Something like that, $ 400 a month.
3125
02:15:52.329 --> 02:15:56.489
And someone videoed their Neo trying to close the dishwasher.
3126
02:15:57.029 --> 02:15:58.590
And it looks like someone at the end of a
3127
02:15:58.630 --> 02:16:00.770
party on too much ketamine trying to do the same thing.
3128
02:16:01.060 --> 02:16:03.560
It's all sort of janky and it's going down and
3129
02:16:03.619 --> 02:16:05.739
it just cannot close this fucking dishwasher.
3130
02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:08.039
That reminds me of iRobot.
3131
02:16:08.819 --> 02:16:09.060
Yeah.
3132
02:16:09.319 --> 02:16:10.000
You remember that movie?
3133
02:16:10.020 --> 02:16:10.939
Yeah, Will Smith Classic.
3134
02:16:11.020 --> 02:16:13.380
And he has the live-in robot and he's like, I
3135
02:16:13.380 --> 02:16:14.779
don't trust this fucking thing.
3136
02:16:15.640 --> 02:16:18.460
Well, the way that the Tesla training data was done
3137
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was that they took the top 5%, 1% of drivers
3138
02:16:22.229 --> 02:16:24.890
and basically said, they're going to drive on our behalf.
3139
02:16:24.909 --> 02:16:27.800
Because The self-training thing has to be harder when you're
3140
02:16:27.819 --> 02:16:31.300
talking about the physical world because the parameters of outcome, success,
3141
02:16:31.340 --> 02:16:34.059
and failure are way harder to work. Like, is this
3142
02:16:34.180 --> 02:16:36.459
folded right? Like, there's a million ways that you could
3143
02:16:36.500 --> 02:16:38.440
fold it. It turns out like, you know, it's one
3144
02:16:38.469 --> 02:16:39.489
of those fucking origami.
3145
02:16:39.510 --> 02:16:40.590
It's a swan. It's a goose.
3146
02:16:41.149 --> 02:16:44.729
And you don't want that. It's nice and beautiful, but
3147
02:16:44.750 --> 02:16:47.729
it doesn't fit the parameters right. So more oversight or
3148
02:16:47.750 --> 02:16:49.829
at least like a base training data of like, hey,
3149
02:16:49.889 --> 02:16:51.559
here are some of the... Because what are the rules
3150
02:16:51.590 --> 02:16:53.420
of the game of folding clothes?
3151
02:16:53.639 --> 02:16:53.819
Right.
3152
02:16:54.260 --> 02:16:57.450
They're kind of... It's kind of strange, but once you've
3153
02:16:57.489 --> 02:17:00.610
got this raw training set, but this is the fight.
3154
02:17:00.649 --> 02:17:03.909
This does feel a little bit like finishing off the
3155
02:17:03.930 --> 02:17:06.889
champagne on the Titanic. You know, it's like we're going
3156
02:17:06.930 --> 02:17:09.829
down and we'll just, on the way down, I'll make
3157
02:17:09.870 --> 02:17:12.049
a little bit of extra money from doing this thing.
3158
02:17:13.610 --> 02:17:19.459
To round out, George, good news about your dad. Phil
3159
02:17:19.479 --> 02:17:22.360
Collins is a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2026 inductee.
3160
02:17:22.620 --> 02:17:27.049
There we go. Any idea what your dad said in response?
3161
02:17:29.090 --> 02:17:35.120
Very British response, this. Obviously, I'm pleased and honored to
3162
02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:37.620
be inducted. It wraps up what has been a wonderful
3163
02:17:37.659 --> 02:17:40.780
life in music. Obviously, I'm pleased sounds a little bit
3164
02:17:40.819 --> 02:17:42.659
passive aggressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3165
02:17:42.700 --> 02:17:44.409
It took a while until 2026 to get this.
3166
02:17:44.530 --> 02:17:47.700
Obviously, I'm pleased and honored to be inducted. Wraps up
3167
02:17:47.719 --> 02:17:49.600
what has been a wonderful life in music. Boys, this
3168
02:17:49.620 --> 02:17:51.120
has been fucking sick. Appreciate you all.
3169
02:17:51.479 --> 02:17:51.819
All right.
3170
02:17:52.420 --> 02:17:52.700
Unreal.
3171
02:17:53.159 --> 02:17:55.540
Phil Collins, Georgie's dad. Let's go.
3172
02:17:55.780 --> 02:17:55.979
All right.
3173
02:17:56.120 --> 02:17:56.680
Goodbye, everybody.
3174
02:17:56.700 --> 02:17:57.680
I've never seen Phil Collins.
3175
02:17:57.700 --> 02:17:58.280
Oh, you've never seen him?
3176
02:17:58.319 --> 02:17:58.579
Wow.
3177
02:17:58.879 --> 02:18:00.079
My first time ever.
3178
02:17:59.799 --> 02:18:00.579
Seeing Phil Collins.
3179
02:18:01.360 --> 02:18:02.729
Bro, so much fun.
3180
02:18:03.309 --> 02:18:04.049
One last swig.
3181
02:18:04.430 --> 02:18:04.770
Have it.
3182
02:18:04.969 --> 02:18:05.729
I mean, this just looks.
3183
02:18:05.750 --> 02:18:06.329
I'm going to pee again.