10/15/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show

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It's the Battle of Ohio. Fresh off their prime time
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victory over the Giants, shot for the pop touchdown, Joe
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Burrow and his Bengals roaring to Cleveland to take down
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the bront S Sachs. It's an AFC North Showdown, Touchdown.
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The Orange and Black are ready to attend.
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Damn Hobbard tackle the King.
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Then Dan Hood and Dave Levin bring you the call.
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Coverage starts Sunday morning at nine on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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the official home of the Bengals.
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All right, that's us, Good afternoon, I'm a Legard. This
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is ESPN fifeteen thirty. Thank you for joining us.
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We are as we are every.
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Tuesday, broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wings.
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This is the beat dogs of my lates.
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One, early thirties, Harper's Point, Harper Stations.
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This is the one that I watched countless.
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Bengals road games at a lot of U see basketball
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games at this is This is like, for a while
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was my home away from home. So it's awesome to
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be here. Our friends at bud Light have bud Light specials.
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We've got the bud Light Bengals hoodies, of which I'm
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wearing one. We're given those away. We've got the greatest
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cooler in the world that we're giving away. We've got
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and we have a lot to talk about. Sean Miller's
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going to join our show a little bit later on
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at for twenty. Full show previews available on x thanks
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from The Athletic and The Growler podcast.
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You know what I enjoy, yeah, is that every time
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we sit down at the different B dubs that we're at,
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I get to hear some story about your drinking history,
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yes you know, and find out about what what portion
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of your life you have connected and what errors, maybe
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a judgment you've made, losses you've taken at different places.
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You could really write a book on just my life
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in B dub's, So you know.
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It's it's interesting.
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So the folks at Buffalo Wild Wings agreed to let
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us do our show at different locations during the football season.
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So it's it's eighteen weeks. It's not that there's some
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that were doubling up. But before the season started, I
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jumped on a zoom call, well like the general manager
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of all these different Buffalo Wild Wings.
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Then I literally went around the zoom and I'm like, oh.
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Yeah, yeah, Newport boy, That's that's where I went, and
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like just with each one of them, except for the
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poor guy in Middletown.
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I haven't been to the one in Middletown. Yeah, but
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I'll go there next week.
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You go there next weekend. It's makes some new memories,
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make some new memories. I have a lot of memories
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at this one. I have a lot of memories here
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at this is. This is where I watched Remember the
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the Bengals Steelers game where like Troy Polamalo dominated Carson Palmer.
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Yeah, that happened at this game at this Buffalo Wild Wings.
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What a magical day.
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Yeah, it was the first time I was over at
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this one.
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Yeah.
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Was that was that when he like didn't need that
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when he jumped over jumped over the center or is
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that the one where he had the d the pick
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and then like rand dode over on the way.
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To that one?
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Yeah that one? Yeah, Yeah, that not a great one there.
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Yeah, So that was the first I had better memories,
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better sports memories than that.
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But I've watched a lot of games.
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At this buffalo. Well it's a it's a good one
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to be at.
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It's a good one to be at, very easy to
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get to close to I two seventy five, and so
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come on out when you get off work, hang out
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with us here at beat ups.
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We have a lot to discuss. We always do, we do.
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You know the thing about these twos, we have more
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pleasant things to discussed this week.
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There are a few more positive developments. A Giants player
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didn't pick up an easy recoverable fumbable and so so
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everybody's feeling a lot better today than they would have
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been if if it would have gone the other way.
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Do you know what's interesting about that fumble? So I
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was watching that game and Chase Brown fumbles and I
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was with a coworker of mine who you know, And
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as he lets go with the ball and it looks
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like the Giants player is going to recover it, I
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start jumping up and down in front, and they go
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to commercial break, and I thought it was Giant's ball.
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So I said out loud, they're going to lose. And
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my buddy's like a bunch of other rules, like what
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are you talking with balling out of bounce the ball
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had had that fumble been lost, I have no doubt
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in my mind the Bengals would have lost that football game.
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It sure felt that.
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I hate to say that, but I have no doubt
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in my mind they would have lost that foot on.
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The momentum that would have come from it, and just
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everything about it.
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Boy, that's I let you look back.
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At these first five weeks and we sort of almost
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joked about how ridiculous the fact that they were one
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and four was when you consider how well they played
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on offense and all the other things, and some of
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the crazy the losing plays at winning time we'd been
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talking about that had been dogging them, and just the
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bounces didn't go their way.
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The bounce went their.
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Way, but they still put the opportunity out there for
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the other team, and that credit. That's still a losing
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play at winning time, boy, And it's it's hard not
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to get past that sometimes because just because the ball
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didn't get bounced here did bounce your way this time,
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doesn't mean that the mistake still isn't very real.
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I mean, two fumbles from their running backs.
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That change that both one did change the direction of
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the game, and the other one almost had a fatal direction.
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Of that well, and I don't recall who asked it,
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but Zach yesterday was asked about the fumbles and.
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It's it was that you it is kind of it's
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becoming a thing.
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It's becoming a thing.
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I mean that last year was was freaky stuff. They'd
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only only lost two fumbles in the next and the next.
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Lowest was five.
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Uh, and so they were gonna regress to the mean
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a little bit just by the nature of fumble luck.
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And can't count that one.
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But that said, I mean they have been high leverage
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fumbles this year, right, I mean when you're driving to
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basically put the game away. Was Zach Moss, what could
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have happened the Tanner Hudson with the early celebration your
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favorite play.
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Of the year.
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I mean, there's been so many of those where it's
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just you just you just can't have it. You should
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have seen Jamar Chase's reaction when I asked him what
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was going I said, I just said, you know, did
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you did you have a good view when you were
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out there of the funnel?
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Did you see it?
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And he's kind of explains where he was, Oh, it
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was kind of over on the other sides, but yeah,
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I saw it.
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I was like, what went through your mind? And he
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gave this look like like I am.
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Holding in what I really want to say and I'm
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gonna think about what I'm supposed to say.
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And then he you know, he's like, uh, get the
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hell out of bounds.
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It's just like that was that was the that was
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the like most PG thing he could come up with
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from everything else that was in his head. But I'm
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sure everybody's thinking like that because there's it's hard not
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to have the scar tissue of dread from the first
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five games. Yes, Like it's just hard not to right now.
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And that's such a different feel that they have to change.
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And I think maybe this game against the Giants, and
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maybe it takes the other team blowing an opportunity to
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pick up a fumble to get them to start playing
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confidently and feeling like they're gonna make the play and.
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Certainly not dreading that the thing is gonna happen.
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Yeah, that's that's the mark of good teams and who
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they've been in the past, except this year it has
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felt the opposite. So that's something they need to gather.
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System and maybe that comes from what happened.
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Against we did Baalds don't lie this morning.
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I don't know if it's it is out yourself, Jay Morrison,
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and you had me on there and you asked basically,
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what was Did I.
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Walk away from the game encouraged or discouraged?
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And I think I'm maybe the most encouraged Bengals fan
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there is because one of my energy and the immediate
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aftermath of the game was the defense has to get better,
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and if it is, it has to start somewhere. There's
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the beginning. Now ask me in five weeks if they
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ult upon it. Maybe the answer is no. But it
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was gonna have to start somewhere. A better health. They're healthy.
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I still wish they had that still we all do,
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but relatively speaking, especially upfront, a lot of guys available, healthier,
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and then just improvement of performance. Say what you want
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about the New York Giants, we could dwell on who
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they didn't have. It was gonna have to start somewhere.
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So I viewed Sunday as the starting point. Who knows
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where it ends, but I viewed that as a starting point,
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and I gotta win with it too.
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Yeah, you know, last week I told you was that.
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I don't know if I'm the only.
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Optimistic person coming off off that Ravens game, but I
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felt like the defense had to get better because they
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weren't gonna play the Ravens and they weren't going to
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play the Commanders. And I mean they are playing the
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Ravens can actually, but they weren't gonna play. But there
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are very few games against some right side the teams.
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They need to make teams like the Giants look like that.
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Mm hmm, like that.
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And if they do that, their defense will be fine
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to get to the levels that it needs to be
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for the offense and still carry it. Now they didn't
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as much on Sunday night, I'm not as concerned about
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that because that's what the Giants have done to everybody.
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The Giants have not let up more than twenty one
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offensive points to a single opponent all year.
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So that's and that includes the command Well, I was.
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Gonna say that the toast of the league still right now,
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even after losing on Sundays, the Washington Commanders go, look
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at what that Giants team did to that offense.
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Yeah, they kept shutting them down in the red zone.
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And because it's just it's just.
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The difference that a real defensive line at elite levels makes,
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like the rest of it can be whatever. I mean,
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Dexter Lawrence and Bryan purns Man are just a handful,
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and the other guys are no slouches. Obviously that was shown.
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I mean, Azizo Juli, I mean had a great game.
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You saw that, and so I just you know, they
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they are where it's at on.
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The defense and some line.
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And the interesting thing about you know, because Bengals offense
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had come in and the line was was, you know,
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leading the league in the lowest pressure percentage, and ever
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after every game Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher were praising
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the play of the line. They built these pass protectors
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and they got beat up.
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But in the.
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Rewatch and Zach Taylor sort of confirmed when I asked
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about him yesterday, it looked more like weird clunky stuff
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like communication and procedural stuff and like rules not getting.
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Whipped one on one. They lost some which you would
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expect you against those.
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Guys, but it didn't They didn't look physically overwhelmed at all.
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And I thought, well, that felt more encouraging on the
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rewatch than it did live where it felt chaotic and
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like they were just getting beat. They still obviously are
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things to fix, but I'd rather have, you know, procedural
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communication type stuff to clean up and get fixed rather
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than having to worry about Oh look, Dexter Lawrence tossed
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Ted Carrison too, Joe Burrow, which we've seen that for
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not necessarily with Ted, but we've seen that with Bengals
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offensive line. So I thought they handled it okay, and
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we know what they are. I think we know what
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they're gonna be. So I thought the offense was was okay.
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They could have obviously been much better, and it was
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and it wasn't great, but I certainly wouldn't come away
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discouraged by it.
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I want to talk about the start of the game
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I got a pretty good knowledge Bengals trade history, I know,
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which is why we're gonna test, all right, all right,
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I always always struggle with where we are when I
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come to this part of town. It's Montgomery is Harper's Point.
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It was Sycamore Township.
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Yeah, but where are we Harper's pat Okay to me,
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somebody who say that there are people know what that is.
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Yeah. I used to go to that dairy queen right
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over there all the time.
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But if I said, you whatever, whatever actual technical township
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or part of town is, people necessarily wouldn't know.
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we are. Buffalo wild Wings.
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Start of the game, and there were a few, but
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the start of the game on Sunday night was bj Hill.
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Yeah, the revenge game.
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Four years later, he goes back and plays great against
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his former team. This has been a great trade for
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a while. It was after one year almost immediately.
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Yeah, even even like in the what they got something?
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Lance mcay alistair on his website kind of revisited that trade,
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which has it has worked so well?
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Bengals trade history.
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Yeah, where do you put.
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It, bj Hill has not been a star.
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It's not like he's played in a bunch of Pro Bowls,
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but been here for quite a while, made a huge
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play in arguably the biggest victory in the history of
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the franchise against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game.
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Has been a steadying presence as they've made a transition
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to some other guys on the defensive line, and Billy
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Price was never going to play here, so they got
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this player who has done so much in exchange for
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somebody that wasn't going to make the team. In twenty
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twenty one, there have been higher profile trades. There probably
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have been better trades, not many.
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Not many.
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They once got an actual pick for bene ben Wickery, Okay,
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which that.
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One blew my mind more than anything.
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A guy who was based on barely anybody and showed
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up and had a.
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Terrible camp, and then they they were gonna lee six
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round pick. I don't even remember.
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Maybe Chris Evans, I don't even know, I think, but
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there's always times where it's like that one bloom, that
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one blew my mind?
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How did they actually get something?
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I above to believe the best trade ever is Carson
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Palmer for two picks that turned into good players.
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Good players.
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That that is up there. Reggie Nelson for David Jones, Yes,
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is pretty clterrific as far as modern like modern history,
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you know that type of stuff.
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Does.
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I mean that's and by the way, we.
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Could have had this conversation before Sunday, Yes, but Sunday
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sort of triggers the conversation.
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And it adds another chapter in plus what he's done.
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Here and plus so much of Bjay's impact was in
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that first year. And I mean people don't talk enough
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about how much the depth of that defensive.
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Line was a driver for that Super Bowl run.
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And the fact they were able to pair Larry Yoga
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Jobi with BJ Hill was such a big part of
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which takes you to the current conversation. And what was
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the topic and I know from the players that I
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talked to after the game specifically, was how much that
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deep rotation helped them play better. Sam Hubbard now has
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his story has been much discussed.
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Yeah, this year, he has.
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This even specifically out loud yesterday, this grade three hamstring
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that happened in camp.
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Worked his way through it.
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He didn't want to talk about it because he want
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to complain about it because so many of the defensive
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linemen were down.
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He knew they needed him. He played through it. He
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played poorly. He knew he played poorly.
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Okay, all that's fine, But he admitted to me after
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the game, like when we were out there, when we
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were down people, it felt like every play was just
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survival mode, like they just were they had nothing to give.
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They were just trying to hold on and you're not
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thinking about making plays, You're just thinking about trying.
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To get through it. And they looked like that.
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They looked like a team that was just trying to
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get them play. They looked like a team playing with
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a purpose against the Giants. Now, is that because of
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the Giants? Maybe some You're Thomas a good player, you know,
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and Trey Hendrickson was still doing they were still able
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to get in there. That My point is though, that
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that really eight guys is at.
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Least twenty one snaps.
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Yeah, And you could see the feeling of those waves
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changing the dynamic of the game, giving them juice late
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in the game, keep staying in Daniel Jones grill and
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making a difference, making that extra effort. I mean, McKinley
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Jackson was running all over the field and for a
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big guy, you don't expect to see a ton of that,
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and he's obviously not alone, but that, Yeah, remember their
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identity on defense that they openly declared they want themselves
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to be for a long time, including this year, is
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like is relentlessness and just constantly being the team of
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high mode and just constantly going after a chasing side it.
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And you didn't see all the time of that.
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They were bemoaning not having enough hats to the ball
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the previous week because it mistackles because they're just kind
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of not really getting under the ground and not have
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enough people around the ball.
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They're supposed to be built on the exact opposite.
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They have scouted and drafted profiles of people that are
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supposed to be the exact opposite. Well, part of that
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is gonna be because you gotta have guys that feel
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like they're out there getting after it. They looked more
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like that against the Giants, and I think the health
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of that group and the fact they were willing to go,
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you know, credit Luis Rumo and I guess Marion hobby
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with rotations of being like it's valuable for us to
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make sure all of these guys are playing not a little,
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you know, all of them having more major roles to
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keep everybody fresh. That you really saw that with Hubbard,
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you saw that with Hill, you're just getting We've said
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that about BJ for a while, like you need to
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be getting more with less out of him. That's when
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he's at his best. Don't ask any of these guys
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really to be out there playing. They have been two
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nation in recent years, so I just felt like that
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made a huge difference. And you got a lot of
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that BJ Hill play too that you expect, and they
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just you know, they look like a different team with
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more guys like that.
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That's the main takeaway of the game for me, that
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that healthy defensive line can work. That that healthy defensive
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line with the bodies that I saw, and the upside
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of a player like McKinley Jackson and the upside of
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a player like Chris Jenkins, where you've you've got some
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dudes who have been there before, but you also have
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some guys that they draft early, drafted early for a reason.
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And as the season goes on, you expect to see
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more and more of that, and in a role like
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in a role.
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That's not featured right, And that was the whole point,
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is like, still have your veterans be your frontline guys
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and let those other guys have their opportunities, but real opportunities,
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not you know, throwing a bone for two snaps here
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and there, but real, real roles in the game plan
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and being out there in big moments.
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And uh, and I thought it showed.
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It's a three thirty On ESPN fifteen thirty, Paul dander
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Junior here for another thirty minutes. We're at Buffalo Wild
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the Buffalo Bills. I can't wait for this game on
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Sunday for a thousand different reasons. We'll talk about him
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here in just a second. The Bengals next home game
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against the Eagles a week from Sunday has been flexed
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to a one o'clock kickoff.
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That is the White Bengal game, so keep that in mind.
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Was originally scheduled for four to twenty one o'clock a
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week from Sunday at the venue originally known as Paul
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Brown Stadium. Mike, that's important news you need to know.
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We'll be broadcasting at nine am.
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Instead of noon.
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nation this past weekend. Scott Sadafield's radio show is tonight
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this afternoon. Paul Danner Juniors here for another twenty five minutes.
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So this is an ideal set of circumstances if you're
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a Bengals fan, this game on Sunday.
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The Browns are bad.
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The relationship between the fan base and the organization and
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the quarterback could not be more toxic. They're running out there,
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Deshaun Watson. They've just traded one of his targets. This
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is a chance to completely extinguish whatever hopes they have
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of reviving their season and make an already awful situation worse.
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This is great. I cannot wait for this on Sunday.
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Really, yeah, I thought there might be some dread.
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I mean, look, dreading this.
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This is the This is the chance to test the
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theory of well, the Browns just have Joe Burrow's number
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in Cleveland, right, yeah, I guess, but this would be
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this would be the opportunity to because you can't they
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haven't tried it out. A worse team than this one right,
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if the entire time, if they're ever going to exercise
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any demons in Cleveland, this is the time. I mean
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you you can't have a quarterback playing work like you can't, can't.
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The numbers suggest there has not been.
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One, I mean, like a quarterback playing We ran through
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this on our show yesterday, Tony and I Historically he's
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historically bad.
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Yes, like he's also a terrible quarterback.
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Yeah, well done, well done. Yeah, And it feels you know,
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you see these teams just punishing him, and you know,
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the defensive lineman they're enjoying themselves.
495
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Of course, yes, they're enjoying.
496
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Look, I just didn't.
497
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It's so it's so crazy to see how they somehow
498
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made their quarterback.
499
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:46.240
Situation worse than that jersey that used to hang with
500
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all the names on it. You know, how could it
501
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possibly worse?
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What if we put one name on it and it's Watson,
503
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right like I mean, and then the streak where they
504
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where they just don't convert third downs ever?
505
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Yeah, is wild?
506
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.200
Yeah, just don't could get a third.
507
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:06.799
Haven't scored more than eighteen points in a game again,
508
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haven't gained more than three hundred yards.
509
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:10.880
It's it's it's crazy.
510
00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.880
And so again Bengals defense, chance to build confidence, chance
511
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.559
to get some young guys, uh continuing to make some plays.
512
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:20.559
Yeah, you can't.
513
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:24.279
You can't really dial up a much better situation than
514
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this one for for what they need. But you know, uh,
515
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.480
they still you know, they still have to go and
516
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.039
they have to stop Miles Garrett. No, I do all
517
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:36.279
those things they've struggled with, and is gonna come back
518
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:39.039
and that's gonna get everybody all excited and maybe they'll
519
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:40.759
just go out there and you know what they do.
520
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:42.480
Yeah, they go out there.
521
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.599
They go full like Corey Dillon Bengals Broncos, and they
522
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.279
just give it to Nick Chubb like thirty four times
523
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and just not let Watson go the go the the
524
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:58.079
dick Lebo style, right, you just hand it off over
525
00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.640
and over and over again and let Scott you'll complete
526
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two passes.
527
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And then.
528
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And try to run it. I mean that might be
529
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.839
their best strategy. Yes, I would.
530
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.160
I would totally agree, is to.
531
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Go full running game.
532
00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:13.480
But yeah, they don't have they don't have much going
533
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.240
on there other than just now.
534
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.519
And I made it sound like I know they're going
535
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:20.759
to win the game, and I'm I'm I don't, but
536
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from a fan perspective, there's nothing better than winning that
537
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.599
sort of game. And then you know, sometimes your team
538
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.519
will beat a bad team and then you know the
539
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:31.160
bad team, well.
540
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.440
They're gonna make some changes. No, this is great.
541
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.000
You beat that bad team, you put them at one
542
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.920
and six, and yeah, you're bad and you're stuck with
543
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.240
the main reason why you're bad.
544
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.839
Sea enjoy the Guardians. That's what I want on Sunday.
545
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:48.400
Their only way out is actually what they're doing is
546
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.640
the tank. The tank is their only way out, and
547
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:55.119
I would suggest continuing to play Deshaun Watson is as
548
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:56.079
tanky as it gets.
549
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.319
It is tanky. But and you know, look, I get.
550
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That they're stuck with it. It's the only way to
551
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:01.319
offset is money.
552
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.000
No doubt. And they did bail on Amari Cooper.
553
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.319
But I just like you mentioned Miles Garrett, who is
554
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.680
a terrific player and he's playing through an injury, Like
555
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:11.079
if you're him.
556
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:14.839
How does this make you feel? Right? Right? Like that?
557
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.559
There are players on that especially on defense, who have value,
558
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.519
who are trying, and yet we're sticking with this quarterback
559
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.279
who clearly isn't working. Jameis Winston might not be an
560
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.920
exponentially better upgrade, but you gotta try and try it
561
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.400
from a competitive standpoint. So I guess I look at
562
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it from the perspective of some of those players or
563
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the coach who it's like, all right, if you're gonna
564
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.160
tank and guarantee me that I have a chance to
565
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.039
see this through, that's one thing. But if I'm now
566
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.920
tethered to Deshaun Watson and you're not gonna hit the
567
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.160
eject button on him and it's gonna cost me my
568
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:48.200
job with then thanks.
569
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.559
Yeah. I mean we've seen these types of situations around
570
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:54.160
here before.
571
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:54.400
You know.
572
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.680
Where it comes down to is are you and are
573
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you really telling me that everything the y're saying As
574
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.519
a coach, I basically shouldn't trust because you say that
575
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.079
if somebody proves that they are better than they can play,
576
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:10.480
or that somebody is not playing, well, they'll.
577
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.400
Look for a better answer.
578
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:16.599
It's it questions the entire integrity of the coaching staff
579
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.079
and the way that they address players, and that absolutely
580
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.799
just kills your entire organization. So that said, I don't
581
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:29.640
know enough about what's going on there specifically, but it's
582
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.359
really hard to say that somebody.
583
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.000
I'm enjoying it. That's great.
584
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:39.759
Somebody has is lying because there's no there's no there
585
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:41.200
is no way I know that.
586
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.200
But I mean, you know, you know, like there's no
587
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.119
way that Kevin's fancy asked actually feels this way. No way, Kevin.
588
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.319
I watched his press conference yesterday, I looked like a
589
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:50.079
hostage video.
590
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.200
Yeah, well, like Jimmy like that.
591
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.559
Well, by the way, not the first hostage video we've
592
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:55.559
seen from Kevin Sepans.
593
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:57.720
He's been forced to be a hostage many.
594
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.920
Times, right, So I I just want to twist then
595
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.839
if I want the Bengals to go there, And I
596
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.400
genuinely don't think there's I don't think the Bengals are
597
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.720
really capable right now playing a game that's easy. Uh,
598
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.440
But I would love for them to just extend the
599
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.839
misery and and then walk away and we could just go, yeah,
600
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good playing. You A will see in December, well Deshaun
601
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.720
Watson still be the quarterback? Because if so, that'll be fun. Yeah,
602
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:20.480
and just I as a fan would enjoy that.
603
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:22.599
Yeah. Well, they'll take anything you need.
604
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.920
Did anything happen offensively? You talked about what the Giants
605
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.839
did from a Bengals perspective. Did anything happen offensively that
606
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.319
should give me pause? Or can I just chalk it
607
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.319
up to allows you Sunday night?
608
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:35.880
I don't, you know, I don't think so.
609
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.599
I think that the only thing that and we talked
610
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.480
about the offensive line a little bit, it was because
611
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.440
the things that gave you pause in that game were
612
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.000
the uncared like Jamar Chase drop, you know, things that
613
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:55.440
would have extended Drives Burrow with the talking about the
614
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.160
happy feet that he kind of had in the first half.
615
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.240
First time we've talked about that since the open or
616
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:01.400
a little bit.
617
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.119
So the first time that I felt like the pressure
618
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.680
he was under in the first half and he did
619
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.799
address it was more on Joe than what the offense
620
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:08.559
won it.
621
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:09.839
Yeah, I agree.
622
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.799
I mean there were multiple plays where it seemed like
623
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.079
he wasn't doing what he normally does is just make
624
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:17.880
the quick decision and either get out of there or
625
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.599
get rid of the ball or know exactly what he's doing,
626
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.440
you know, sort of like in his long run where
627
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.240
he knew exactly what he was doing, did it so
628
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.799
quick that it it beat the bad play to the punch.
629
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.480
Uh So, Yeah, but that's so that stuff has been
630
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.920
so uncharacteristic from what they've been. I don't I don't
631
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:35.680
take pause inive it.
632
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.119
I still think that that you can see it, you
633
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.319
still see them as the same kind of machine that
634
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:40.720
they've been.
635
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.359
I think t Higgins is playing awesome.
636
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.759
Yeah, and he's kind of That hamstring injury is so
637
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.119
unfortunate that he had in the first two weeks because
638
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.759
you probably feel like outcomes are different when you look
639
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.039
at the way that they he has really accelerated everything they're.
640
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:57.480
Doing and it's the same.
641
00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:59.680
You know when we talked about that, how he looked
642
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:04.440
and came like this is what he looked as good
643
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.519
as ever. You know what I keep noticing from him
644
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.839
is this like sneaky yack that he feels like he's
645
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.519
had a little extra juice to himself after the ball
646
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.599
this year, where I need to study it a little
647
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.640
more and go back and watch more of his catches
648
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.640
from previous seasons. I wouldn't call him like Chad where
649
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:24.759
he would just go down as.
650
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:27.319
Soon as he catch it, but he felt a little.
651
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:31.240
More like not necessarily looking to like break out big time.
652
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.160
Yeah, it's funny because he had in the second Steeler
653
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.720
game last year, he had a long catch and run
654
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.359
and I think we might have talked like there are
655
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:40.960
as great of a player as he has been, there
656
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:41.799
aren't many of those.
657
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:43.319
And that was a catch and run.
658
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.400
I'm talking guys trying to tackle him, him breaking tackle
659
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.359
and carrying guys for a couple extra yards. That like,
660
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.160
just that extra stuff. I'm here for the fight after
661
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.559
the catch where he hasn't always given off that. I
662
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.319
don't feel like he's just been a guy that's like
663
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.400
I'm just gonna get this rebound on you.
664
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.000
And that's that.
665
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.480
That's felt like a little extra level to his game
666
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:05.960
this year.
667
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.240
That's been fun to watch.
668
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.880
And that is just it's so demoralizing across from Jamar
669
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.279
Chase because you're just they're so forced to play him
670
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.720
one on one and when he can high point and
671
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:20.319
then be a little bit more of a dog even
672
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:21.359
after the catch.
673
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.640
It's just it's so true.
674
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.759
I mean really, for a couple of years now, whenever
675
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.680
they've had that trio, the Bengals Holy Trinity on the
676
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.839
field together, they've been pretty close to unstoppable.
677
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.559
I said this to Tony yesterday.
678
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.839
I felt like his game on Sunday night, you know,
679
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.680
seven catches on seven targets, seven targets for seventy seven yards.
680
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.759
That's a good game. That's a nice game. But the
681
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:45.960
numbers don't jump off the page if you're looking at
682
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.119
box scores, right, I think to really appreciate how good
683
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.720
he was, there are times where you have to watch
684
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.319
the game and you know, you could look at the
685
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.119
box score from Jamar against Baltimore and go, boy, he
686
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.240
must have been awesome. Yeah, But like watching T it
687
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.279
that the stats didn't tell the entire story. It was
688
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.079
situations where he caught it, what those catches did, degree
689
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.799
of difficulty, a little yard, some yards after the catch,
690
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.680
like that was assuming he's not here.
691
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:14.960
When we think about the T.
692
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.480
Higgins body of work, we'll think of some of the
693
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.000
games where statistically he was insane. But I'll think of
694
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.160
a game like Sunday Night where you kind of had
695
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:22.920
to have watched it.
696
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.599
To really appreciate what he did.
697
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.599
And and you know, you see more of I see
698
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.720
more and more of this, and and it's it's you.
699
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.119
Have to think that. In the Bengals owner's box, they're.
700
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.839
Thinking the same thing of like can we just find
701
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.319
a way, right, Yes, there's got to be away to
702
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.599
keep this that's how do you not feel?
703
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:43.720
How do you not how did you watch Sunday or
704
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.440
even what he did the week before and not feel
705
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:46.880
that way?
706
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:53.160
Like are we sure? Are we sure? Are we sure? Well?
707
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.400
It's not only are we sure we can't pay him,
708
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:57.880
but are we sure? We don't want to watch him
709
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.680
do that to us because you can't control where.
710
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.440
He goes exactly.
711
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.920
But you know what, I think it's also part of
712
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:11.160
kicking the can down one more year, is reevaluate and
713
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.079
maybe things change, maybe you feel differently about it after
714
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:16.519
you get through this year. I don't know that that
715
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.000
will be the case, but things do change often and
716
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:20.279
we'll see.
717
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.559
I also do want to point out, like I.
718
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:29.519
It's becoming very notable how in really critical moments andre
719
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.599
Yosfash is showing up, Like whether it was all the
720
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.519
red zone stuff, huge plays in the red zone, it
721
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.279
really since it started, But I mean that twenty nine
722
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.240
yard catch on third and twelve, the ability to pick
723
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.920
up the off script play mid stream, flip get in
724
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.640
phase immediately with burrow lock eyes, then go up vice
725
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.119
script the ball so he doesn't even even a tiniest
726
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.839
bobble there and it's not a catch toe tap come
727
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.400
down where it's like it feels like he has the
728
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.720
most bang for your buck of anybody on the team,
729
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.920
where every play he makes feels massive, the ones that
730
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.000
they've gone to him on. And you talk about demoralizing
731
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.880
for defenses, it's when when you're so worried about these
732
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.639
other things and then in that play, that guy too,
733
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.960
that guy makes that play with just off script, perfectly
734
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.360
with you know Burrow, who's so good at that stuff
735
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.280
to be able to be the one to make that play.
736
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:24.800
It's why they're going to keep him on the field
737
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.280
in big situations and not why that you can see
738
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.639
that Burrow clearly has a ton of trust in him.
739
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.000
Well, and it's interesting, you know, Jermaine Burton's a healthy
740
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.119
scratch And when Andre made that play, my statement to
741
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.239
anybody who would listen would be, I hope Jermaine Burton
742
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was paying attention because those are the sort of players
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you're gonna have to figure out a way to make
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if if you're gonna stick and if you're gonna get
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opportunities on this team. Yeah, yes, and so yeah, Jermaine
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ran the street round and caught the pass against the Chiefs,
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and that's awesome, but you're only gonna dress and get
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opportunities if you can do that.
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The offense is always going to be based on these
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And I'm not saying Jermaine doesn't have this and.
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He's just a rookie whatever.
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When the guys that we've seen succeed here, these high
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football intelligence able to quickly connect with what Burrow's trying to.
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Do, it's he's a different quarterback. He's different than a
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lot of guys.
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And whether it was Trent Irwin when he first made
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a name for himself and now we're seeing what Andre
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has done, and he did that a lot last year
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and stuff like that, and Jamar and t obviously have
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had that to connect with what Burrow is trying to do.
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Understand when he's going off script, Understand his timing. It's
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so important to him in the way that he and
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how quickly he processes. The receivers have to now be
764
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able to process along with him, which isn't always easy
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to do. And so the fact that Andre's been able
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to come in and pick that up, it shows. And
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that's the reason that Burrow has looked for him in
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so many big moments.
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All right, enjoy the game Sunday.
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Thanks for as always, Paul Danner Junior, The Athletic dot Com.
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The Growler podcast Balds Don't Lie came out today on
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x at Paul Days.
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Good to have you as always. It was a pleasure.
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I can't wait to hear the rest of the show.
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I'll be listening the rest of the day.
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Really.
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Oh yeah, well, at least until I got on my car.
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Cool plays to watch all the games this weekend. There's
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a National Championship Series game to go, three college football
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games tonight too. You got some Conference USA Tuesday Night
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football and you can watch all of that here at
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Xavier head coach Sean Miller coming up in just about
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fifteen minutes. X You getting set to play a charity
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exhibition game on Sunday night against the Dayton Flyers and
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inching closer to the start of the season. Some tough
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injury news for the Musketeers this week as well, so
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we'll talk about all of that with Sean also in
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just about forty minutes. Somebody who has been on this
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show a bunch, Bill Cook, and you probably know that
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name for his years covering primarily UC sports for The
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Inquirer and the Cincinnati post Or. He covered other things
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as well and was a general sports columnist. In the
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days since his retirement, he has written a bunch of
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books and they're always must reads. They're always based on
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Cincinnati sports. His latest is one I was really excited
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to read about because it was about someone that I
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didn't know a ton about off the field, Greg Cook,
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the legendary UC quarterback whose pro career didn't pan out
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the way so many expected because of an injury suffered
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during his second season with the Cincinnati Bengals. Bill has
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written a book about Greg Cook. They're not related, if
829
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you're wondering, they spell their names differently. Bill's gonna join
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us coming up at four forty five, and I'm looking
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forward to that. I was asked on Paul's podcast today
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about the Bengals game on Sunday Night encouraged or discouraged.
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My theme has been since Sunday Night being encouraged.
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I was encouraged.
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Now, I'm not gonna tell you that watching the offense
836
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on Sunday wasn't frustrating, because it was. And I'm not
837
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gonna tell you that there were things that happened in
838
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that game that didn't make me wonder about what that's
839
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gonna mean moving forward, specifically upfront. But I went into
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Sunday thinking Bengals have a good offense. They've got a
841
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great quarterback, they've got really good offensive weapons, and they've
842
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got an offensive line that's okay.
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I felt that way going into Sunday. I feel that.
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Way coming out of Sunday. It was not a great performance.
845
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The fumbles don't help. Some of the things the Giants
846
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exposed upfront don't help. That is a good Giants defense.
847
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Look at what they did on the road against Seattle.
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Look at how well they played against the Washington Commanders.
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But what I wasn't sure, and I'm still not completely sure,
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But what I wasn't sure going into Sunday was can
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the Bengals win a game where the offense isn't what
852
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it usually is, can they win a game where the
853
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offense has a bad game, where the offense is a
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bad night, where turnovers are a problem or pass protection
855
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is a problem. And if the answer is yes, it's
856
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gonna be because the defense helped him win that game.
857
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And if the answer is no, well then it's gonna
858
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because the defense can't stop anybody. Say what you want
859
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about the Giants offensively, what I saw from the Bengals
860
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was a start. It was the beginning, now, start of
861
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what start of such rapid improvement that a month from
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now we're talking about one of the best defenses in
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the NFL. Probably not, But if you walked out of
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the one and four start still clinging to the idea
865
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that this team could compete for something meaningful, that means
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you have believed that they can make substantial improvements defensively.
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If they were ever gonna do that, it required a
868
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start that wasn't gonna happen without it starting from somewhere.
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I looked at Sunday as a potential start, not just
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with how they performed and what they held the Giants
871
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to just ten points, but I viewed that as a
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start from the standpoint of not ten points seven points.
873
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I viewed that as a start from the perspective of
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health wholeness, a team that used a lot of the
875
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guys that we didn't get a chance to see in
876
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the first five games of the season. We saw rotation
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on the defensive line. We saw a wealth of options
878
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up front. We saw a defense that tackled well. We
879
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saw a defense that, in large part because maybe what
880
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the Giants don't have, lou and Arumo didn't need to
881
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reinvent the wheel and do a bunch of exotic things.
882
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We saw young guys contribute. We saw Jordan battle play
883
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I think eighteen and you know, while he might not
884
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have lit the field up with a whole bunch of plays,
885
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you didn't notice him for anything he was doing poorly.
886
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.400
We saw an opportunistic turnover.
887
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Right with the Jermaine Pratt pick, you talk about something
888
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pulled from the twenty twenty one playbook, a turnover happening
889
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.039
at precisely the right time, where the Bengals give up
890
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.760
some yardage but don't give up any points. Defenses do
891
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.599
get better, you know. I mean, that's that's the thing.
892
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.280
We talk about it all the time. Offensively, well, they've
893
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.559
gotta build chemistry and the quarterbacks gonna work the timing
894
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.280
out with his receivers, and they need reps and they
895
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.840
need time together. But once they get that, they're gonna
896
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.119
be okay. Defenses get better too. You know, we talk
897
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.599
a lot about lose defenses in twenty twenty one. In
898
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twenty twenty two, the twenty twenty one Bengals midway through
899
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.119
the season might not have been a train wreck defensively,
900
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.559
but they weren't exactly good. It's the same unit that
901
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.639
on Halloween gave up thirty four points to Mike White
902
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.719
and the New York Jets, and then the following week
903
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.719
gave up forty one at home to the Cleveland Browns.
904
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.000
For what it's worth, seven of those points by Cleveland
905
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.320
did come on a pick six. The Chargers came here
906
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.760
and hung forty one on Cincinnati in a pretty lopsided win.
907
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.840
I mean, they went through a stretch that season where
908
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:19.400
within five games of each other they gave up thirty four,
909
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.000
forty one, forty one. They were not a good unit.
910
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:25.960
And then toward the end of the season, what were they?
911
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:27.000
They were better.
912
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:28.480
And it's the.
913
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.159
Same group that in that regular season game against Kansas
914
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.800
City where everybody remembers what Jamar Chase did. They were
915
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:37.280
fantastic in the second half of that game and then
916
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.079
in the postseason. The defense is the main reason why
917
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.800
that team got to a super Bowl. Defenses do get better.
918
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.400
Sometimes it's comfort with the scheme. Sometimes it's comfort with
919
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.400
each other. Sometimes it's figuring out who can do what.
920
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.159
That unit had really high end players had DJ Reeder
921
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.280
had A still had Trey Hendrickson obviously, but had Von
922
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:56.960
Bell younger.
923
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.760
Von Bell had a in his prime, Jesse Bates had
924
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.960
some really good pieces. But defenses do get better.
925
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.360
Improvement has to start somewhere, and so I looked at
926
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.440
Sunday as, all right, that's where the improvement can start.
927
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.840
That's where the seeds can be planted for a unit
928
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.360
that by the middle of the season, by the end
929
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.039
of the season, could be maybe middle of the pack.
930
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.760
And that's the thing we've talked about this all along, Right,
931
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.639
they just have to be somewhere in the middle of
932
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:22.960
the pack.
933
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:23.639
They've just got to.
934
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.000
Be Okay, they don't have to be a top five defense.
935
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.119
They don't have to hold teams to seven points, which
936
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.039
is what they did against the Giants. They don't have
937
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.239
to do that every week. They've just got to be okay.
938
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.400
So why we've joked on this show about four punts, Like,
939
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.880
just get me four opposition punts and they're gonna be okay.
940
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:47.079
Now Sunday the Giants punted four times each. One of
941
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.840
those punts came in the first half, and it was
942
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.440
still nip and tuck obviously deep into the fourth quarter.
943
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.280
But like I do this sort of tongue in cheek
944
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.280
with the whole punts for pizza thing, which by the way,
945
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.679
no area pizza places jumped onto, which you're a loss,
946
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.880
not mine. But beyond that, it's just about sort of establishing,
947
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.000
like this defense doesn't.
948
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.719
Have to be awesome. I'm gonna be okay. Force on four.
949
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.719
Out of ten or four out of twelve or four
950
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.320
out of eleven opposing offensive possessions and this team could
951
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.280
be okay. They did that, and they also got some
952
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.719
stops later in the game. It wasn't a perfect performance.
953
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:27.519
There were times where it felt like on the ground
954
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:29.559
the Giants on fourth down could do whatever they wanted
955
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:29.840
to do.
956
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:30.960
But it was a.
957
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.679
Performance worth building on, worth building on because of the
958
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.960
point totally gave up, but also worth building upon because
959
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.760
it's a healthy group. It's at least a healthier group.
960
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.679
Players who weren't playing before were on the field on Sunday.
961
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.119
You saw full defensive line rotation. You saw a secondary
962
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:50.719
that allowed some catches, didn't allow any huge chunk plays,
963
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.239
tackled guys. I mean, Mike Hilton made some really great
964
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:57.119
open field tackles, and Cam Taylor Britt made some good tackles,
965
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:02.400
and it looked like a well put together, well coached defense.
966
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.320
Damer mentioned this in his piece on Sunday, and we
967
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.960
started our conversation by talking about it both on his podcast.
968
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:10.239
And on this show.
969
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.079
Most of the offenses the Bengals playing in the coming
970
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.760
weeks look a lot more like the New York Giants
971
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.880
than the Washington Commanders, look a lot more like the
972
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.800
New York Giants than the Baltimore Ravens. Obviously they do
973
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.920
play the Baltimore Ravens here in a few weeks. I
974
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:31.119
was encouraged. I was encouraged because defensive improvement can happen.
975
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.679
It's got to start somewhere, and it also can't start
976
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.960
in late November. It can't start in mid December. It's
977
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.000
got to start now. Maybe it did on Sunday night.
978
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.440
Now we'll see if it continues. And the good news
979
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.199
is the Browns offensively are a train wreck and they
980
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.519
traded Amari Cooper away today, But.
981
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Defenses do get better.
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Just because you're a disaster of a unit early in
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the season doesn't mean there aren't brighter days ahead. We
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00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.199
have learned that with this team before. We have learned
985
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:03.239
that with this defense coordinator before. So for my money, uh,
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Sunday night in the game against the Giants yesday won,
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which is most important. But I've talked about this a
988
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lot as it relates to the offense. Context matters apply.
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00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.719
The proper context of that game you saw a better
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defense is that the foundation.
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Time will tell, but I hold out hope that it
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is quarter after four.
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Our phone numbers if you want to try to jump in,
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we'll see if we have time today. We are pretty
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guest heavy. Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty
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is our phone number. We're at Buffalo wild Wings. Harper's point.
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00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.079
College basketball season is getting closer and closer. XU head
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00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.360
coach Sean Miller joins US next on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Cincinnati Sports.
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Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.
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This is football Illnetti, brought to you, in part by
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modern office methods, on the official home of the Bengals,
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Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Buffalo Wild Wings, Harper's point here till six o'clock by one,
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get one half, all traditional Wings, bud Light specials, and
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so much more. We've already given away a Bengals golf
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hootye thanks to bud Light. We've got another one we're
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given away, and we've got the greatest cooler of all
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time as well. A couple of football notes. We'll have
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some Scott Saderfield audio for you a little bit later on.
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00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:25.079
The Browns have traded Amari Cooper to the Buffalo Bills.
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So one less skill player I guess to worry about
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00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.199
on Sunday is Bengals get set to go to Cleveland
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and the Bengals Eagles game a week from Sunday, which
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was going to be a four to twenty five kickoff
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the White Bengal game, if you will, that has been
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moved to a one o'clock kickoff with pregame coverage on
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00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:47.880
ESPN fifteen thirty starting at nine am, So adjust accordingly.
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00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:49.199
Instead of four to twenty five.
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Bengals and Eagles will play at one o'clock home game
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00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.360
for Cincinnati a week from this Sunday.
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We're going to get a break in.
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00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.920
We're supposed to be chatting with Sean or any second now,
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00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.519
we'll try to run him down. Hopefully connect with the
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Xavier head coach after this. On ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.
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00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:11.519
Station, You've been listening to Football in the Natti on
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the official home of the Bengals Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty,
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Cincinnati's esc fresh off their primetime victory over the Giants.
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For the touchdown.
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Joel Burrow and his Bengals roaring to Cleveland to take
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down the prime Sachs. It's an AFC nord showdown touchdown.
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The Orange and Black are ready to attack.
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Dam Hobbard, tackle the King at the end.
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00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.119
And Hoard Indeed, Lavin bring you the call. Coverage starts
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Sunday morning at nine on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official
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home of the Bengals.
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Yours for life. Kelsey Chef dot Com Bank off today.
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Players back to work tomorrow.
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Getting said for second consecutive road game, this one on
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Sunday against the Browns and kicks off at one o'clock.
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You'll hear it live on ESPN fifteen thirty pre game
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covered starts excuse me at nine am. Browns have traded
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Amari Cooper to the Buffalo Bills. Two wide receivers get
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dealt within the last just what eight to ten hours,
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DeVante Adams to the New York Jets, Amari Cooper to
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the Buffalo Bills. The Bengals Eagles game a week from
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Sunday has been moved to a one o'clock kickoff.
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Was a four to twenty five game. To keep that
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in mind.
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College football, UC's safety Antoine Peak Junior name to the
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Pro Football Focused National Team of the Week, the country's
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second highest great safety. In Saturday's win over UCF, he
1056
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forced two fumbles. Baseball playoffs in the Bronx game two tonight,
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American League Championship Series Yankees and Guardians New York winning
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game won last night, and the Columbus Blue Jackets. We'll
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play tonight at home against Florida. It is going to
1060
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be their home opener and obviously a very very emotional
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00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.559
scene tonight as they pay tribute to Johnny and Matthew Gudreau.
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That game air tonight on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. Sean Miller,
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any second, now, we're told perhaps the head coach of
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the Musketeers scheduled to join us. You know, he'll call
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00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.719
in late and we're gonna make him run or something
1066
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.079
like that. Musketeer Madness is on Friday, Xavier and Dayton
1067
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at U.
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The Arena is going to.
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Be on a Sunday afternoon, a major expectations for the
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Musketeers last year. One of the things I want to
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00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.599
talk with them about following the NBA is Quincy Oliveri
1072
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.199
with the LA Lakers has made waves in the preseason,
1073
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and obviously Sean has had his hands full with his
1074
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:53.519
team and getting ready for the season, but I'm sure
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he's been paying attention to Quincy, and so we'll spend
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a few minutes on that one thing really quick.
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The goal Glove.
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Finalists were announced today, not the goal glove winners, but
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00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:12.440
the goal glove finalists were announced and no Red was
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among the finalists. Now, that doesn't mean if you're not
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nominated or if you're not a finalist for a goal glove,
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00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.000
it doesn't mean that you're not a good defensive player,
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00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.559
but it illustrates what I think is one of the
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00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.440
main charges of the offseason for Nick Krawl, and I
1085
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.840
guess to a degree Terry Francona, the Reds must be
1086
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a better defensive team in twenty twenty four. So we've
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heard and read a lot about what the Reds might
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do with Matt McLain and Jonathan India and is either
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willing to move to the outfield?
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00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.440
Will they move one to the outfield?
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00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.519
Matt McClain was scratched by the way from an Arizona
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Fall League game last night. I can appreciate either player's
1093
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willingness to move. I could certainly understand in some circumstances
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wanting to see if a guy can add playing a
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different position to his repertoire.
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00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:03.800
So to speak.
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00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.679
But the Reds need to be better defensively next season,
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00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:10.280
and so as we talk about roster construction in twenty
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00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:14.239
twenty five, like they need, they need better production offensively
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from the outfield, They need a better defensive outfield, They
1101
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.679
need a better defensive team. Do you get the best
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possible defensive team by shoehorning players into roles that they
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00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:29.880
really haven't been in. Like I think, the best way
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00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:35.400
to upgrade the outfield is to acquire outfielders, like players
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who have a significant professional background playing those positions.
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That doesn't mean.
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00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.639
There isn't room for guys who can play both. That
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doesn't mean one or both of those players or other
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players shouldn't be encouraged.
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To learn how to play the outfield.
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But like like I think, I think, just when I
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think about the Reds in recent years, it has felt
1113
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.480
to me like spent way too much time talking about
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taking a player who's good at this one thing and
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00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.199
trying to get him to do this other thing. There
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are obviously players who are valuable because they can play both.
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Spencer Steer is obviously one of them. And for some
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of these guys, if they want more playing time or
1119
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.719
they don't want to be squeezed out of a starting spot,
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it makes sense to learn how to play a different position.
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00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.920
But as we talked about roster construction, how about this
1122
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concept find outfielders who have significant experience, you know, playing
1123
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in the outfield, Because I know there have been success stories.
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Billy Hamilton jumps to the front of everybody's mind. Right,
1125
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:45.480
he was a shortstop and not a great one. They
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moved him to centerfield and he was unbelievable defensively. That's
1127
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probably not the rule. I might not be able to
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find an outfielder who's defensively as good as Billy Hamilton,
1129
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.400
but my chances of having good outfield play I think
1130
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increase if my solution to the outfield problem is.
1131
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To go find outfielders.
1132
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.519
Now that fits within a general theme, and it's you know,
1133
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we want to see the Reds get healthier on the
1134
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.679
mound and maybe find a veteran starting pitcher, and they
1135
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.519
need to be more well rounded team offensively, and they
1136
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.360
have to run the bases better and there's plenty of
1137
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.000
room for improvements.
1138
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:21.119
With the bats.
1139
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.400
But this team defensively. Advanced metrics did not like it.
1140
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:30.679
And you may crinkle your nose when I mentioned advanced metrics,
1141
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.840
but they're used by every big League team, including this one,
1142
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.599
and they tell a story, might not tell the complete story.
1143
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.639
This was not at not a great defensive team next season,
1144
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:42.519
and so as we talk about what the roster is
1145
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.800
gonna look like in twenty twenty five, I think as
1146
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.840
much attention needs to be paid to that as what
1147
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.199
they do offensively. And whenever I hear, well, we're gonna
1148
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.920
take this guy and just see if he could play
1149
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:55.639
the outfield. First of all, that's something you do if
1150
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.800
you're experimenting. I'm not looking to experiment that much this year.
1151
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.840
I gonna win a World Series in twenty twenty five.
1152
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.360
Might sound stupid, but why else did you hire Terry Francona.
1153
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.239
I want the experimentation to be at a minimum this season.
1154
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.760
And so if you take Matt McClain and decide we're
1155
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:14.880
gonna teach them how to play the outfield, that's fine.
1156
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:16.840
That can't be your main plan.
1157
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.840
In the outfield, or Jonathan India and if you go,
1158
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.559
wait a minute, then one of those guys is gonna
1159
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:21.400
have to come off the bench.
1160
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.800
Okay, what did the Reds have a problem with last season? Depth?
1161
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:31.039
The bench being ready for injury like it's it's it's
1162
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.639
it's okay if a really good player's playing time gets
1163
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.159
squeezed out because instead of trying to shoehorn someone into
1164
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a position they've never played, they actually go find someone
1165
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:44.079
who's played it and played it well. And yes, we're
1166
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.559
gonna focus most on what each one of those players
1167
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.280
they acquire, if they acquire any, what they do offensively.
1168
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:53.920
But this team needs to be better on defense. The
1169
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.280
margin for error at times this season no pun intended
1170
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.679
was shrunk because they weren't good on defense. And sometimes
1171
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.719
it's making errors. Sometimes it's player positioning or being able
1172
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:05.599
to get to a ball.
1173
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:07.599
Sometimes it's making the easy play.
1174
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Ellie de la Cruz gets talk to he's got to
1175
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.880
improve as a defensive player. I think it's kind of
1176
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.119
silly to suggest he should play the outfield next season.
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Why do you invest all this time in him being
1178
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a shortstop? And I think there's so much capability there
1179
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.519
that it's worth continuing to do what they're doing. But
1180
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.360
he does have to get better, and he's got to
1181
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:26.599
get better at making the routine play. But he is
1182
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.800
at least a shortstop playing shortstop. I want to see
1183
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.440
the Reds use outfielders to improve the outfield, and if
1184
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.159
they do that, I think at least they have a
1185
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.719
better chance of improving who they are and what they
1186
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.079
are defensively.
1187
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Twenty four minutes.
1188
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Away from five o'clock, as the coach colonists Sean Miller
1189
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here am I at a holding pattern. All right, the
1190
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:54.320
Xavier Musketeers will have a game on Sunday, an exhibition
1191
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.960
game at Dayton at Udy Arena against the Dayton Flyers
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00:57:59.079 --> 00:57:59.840
and Musketeer.
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This is gonna be on Friday night.
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That combines both the men's team Exavier and the women's
1195
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.320
team at the Centas Center.
1196
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That is always and awesome.
1197
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E then, and obviously we're getting closer and closer to
1198
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.440
the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five college basketball season.
1199
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And the head coach of the Musketeers is with us,
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Sean Miller, coach. It's good to have you.
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00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:20.320
How are you.
1202
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.159
I'm doing great. How are you doing.
1203
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.760
I'm well, it's everything okay, you all right.
1204
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:30.559
Yeah, everything is good.
1205
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:31.480
Everything's good.
1206
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:32.920
All right.
1207
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.440
Let's start with this weekend. You're gonna play a basketball game.
1208
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:41.199
And that sounds like no kidding, but typically in the preseason,
1209
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.599
you know, maybe you've played a school from another level,
1210
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.280
you've played some of those secret scrimmages. Now you're gonna
1211
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.519
go on the road and play in like a big
1212
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:54.440
time college basketball environment. It's gonna be game reps kind
1213
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.119
of walk us through what this is gonna be like
1214
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.440
on Sunday, compared to how you typically have handled the preseason.
1215
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.159
Hey, MO, I have a bad connection. I'm not sure,
1216
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:10.719
but you or I. I'm gonna call you right back. Can
1217
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:11.159
I do that?
1218
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:12.559
You can do that. I'll tell you what.
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We'll get a break in, we'll reestablish our connection with
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Sean Miller, and we'll talk with the Xavier head coach
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when we come back. We're Buffalo wild Wings in Harper's
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00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.599
Point on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
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This is Dave Laplock and you're listening to the Home
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of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.
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All right, take two, let's do it. Got nineteen away
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from five o'clock. The head coach of the Xavier Musketeers
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00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:41.320
and host of the Shawn Miller podcast, Sean Miller. This
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00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.679
is why you have your podcast guests in studio. No
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phone connections.
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00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:49.679
That's exactly right. Sorry about that, Mo.
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00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.639
All good, No, you sound good. Always flattered that you've
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00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:56.239
chosen to join us. Let me start with this weekend
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00:59:56.280 --> 01:00:00.400
and we'll sort of start back and move ahead. Played
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preseason scrimmages before, you've played exhibition games against you know,
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01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.559
schools from the Division two or three level or you've
1236
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.519
played traveling club teams, You're going to go on the
1237
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:15.039
road and play a Division One opponent and and historical rivals.
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01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.679
So kind of walk us through the preparation and the
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01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.519
execution of a game that's going to feel like a
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01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.599
regular season game, but in the standings and in the
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01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:24.599
rankings doesn't count.
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01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.360
Yeah, So I think, first of all, you know, we
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01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:34.079
came together Dayton and Xavier really from Anthony Grant reaching
1244
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:38.519
out to us. Obviously, the game has a bigger issue
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01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.159
at stake than just the basketball component. You know, the
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01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:47.440
mental health part of it, suicide prevention, suicide awareness, and
1247
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.719
especially here in the state of Ohio, and I think
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01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:55.039
to be able to come together Xavier, Dayton to basketball
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01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.079
programs for that cause, you know that that's a big
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01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:01.320
part of this because you know that's what the game
1251
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:04.800
is really centered on, and I know in particular that
1252
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.760
that's something that's sacred to Anthony Grant and his family
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01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:11.039
and me knowing Anthony for a long period of time,
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01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:14.880
almost two decades again in an effort to partner with
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01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.559
him on something like that, it means a lot to
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01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.280
us at Xavier means a lot to me. So that's
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01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.719
the first part in terms of basketball. You know, we're
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01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:26.599
gonna learn a lot about our team. You know, you
1259
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.679
can always play a good competition, and Dayton's certainly going
1260
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.320
to be that. But to get the atmosphere of ud Arena,
1261
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.719
playing a true away game in front of a sold
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01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:39.079
out crowd in the month of October, I think that
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will have some additional benefits for our team, because, let's
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01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:46.079
face it, winning on the road in college basketball that
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01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:47.840
might be at the top of the list of the
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01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.840
most difficult things for all of us to do and
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01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:54.079
to get some practice and what it feels like and
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01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.280
have to deal with that, I think it could be
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01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:58.119
something that helps us down the line.
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You're you're gonna learn a lot about your team on Sunday. Uh,
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01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:04.239
I'm sure you've learned some things about your team over
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01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:05.239
the last couple of weeks.
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01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:06.280
What are some of those things.
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Well, we lost Lacina tree or to a season ending injury,
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and you know, I really don't even want to talk
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01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.960
about it a whole lot, because you know, it's it's
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01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.239
not it's not good news before we even start. And uh,
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01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:24.079
you know to some degree, uh, he's irreplaceable. You know,
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01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:26.760
we we have to be able to replace him with
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01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.519
not one player, but as a team all of us
1281
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.719
and come united and and and and grow and and
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01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.599
get better and maybe different ways than we otherwise would have.
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01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:40.719
But we're an older group, We're a more experienced group,
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01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:44.639
and I think that we probably have more offensive firepower
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01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.480
than we would have a year ago. And uh, you know,
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01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.760
like a lot of teams were at the beginning stages
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01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:54.000
of growing and proving. So uh, but I think we
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01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.320
have a lot to work with and uh again, these
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01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:57.960
next couple of weeks will be big for us.
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01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.320
So you know, you mentioned Lacina, and I know it's
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01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:02.880
something you don't want to spend a lot of time on,
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01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.840
but I look, I'm sitting there yesterday morning and I
1293
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:07.920
see your tweet and the first thing that stood out
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01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:11.199
to me was, that's a coach who feels for the kid.
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01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:14.239
There's a basketball application. This is a kid who averaged
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01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.599
a double double, a big who is going to make.
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01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:18.719
An impact this year. But there's the human part of this.
1298
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.280
How hard is it to deal with a kid like
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01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.760
this who comes to your program, is excited to play
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01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.119
in the Big East, and now that opportunity is going
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to be delayed.
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01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.719
It's devastating. It's the hardest thing I think for a
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01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:37.360
coach to deal with because you're helpless. There's really not
1304
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.679
anything you can do other than just do the best
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01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:44.760
job you can of being creative with the environment to
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01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.360
support him. You know, it's not just you, it's you
1307
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:50.760
and your family. It's not just the head coach, it's
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01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.000
the entire staff. Then it becomes all of his teammates,
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01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.639
and then to some degree the Xavier basketball community. I mean,
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01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:01.000
Messina is from the Ivory Coast. Know his family is
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01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:04.320
in Africa. He made the decision to join us in
1312
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:08.000
the spring. He had some great choices, really came down
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01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.599
to Oregon or Xavier. We were thrilled to get him.
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01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.559
And then you know, Mo, you learn these guys because
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01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.280
you're around them in essence all summer and then in
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01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.559
his case, for a lot a lot of the fall.
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01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.000
So the last five months, you know, you figure out
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01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.000
who's your hardest worker, who's a great teammate.
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01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:28.280
You know, who's.
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01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.719
Somebody that has winning qualities. And I would have said check, check,
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01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:36.840
check next to his name. Great teammate, incredibly hard worker,
1322
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.440
an incredible teammate. I think he had a huge upside.
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01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.480
So when then everything's taken from him. There's not a
1324
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.719
lot you can do now. The other part of it is,
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01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.280
I do think he can return back to Forum next season,
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01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.079
but it's it's tough for you and I to talk
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01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.719
about next season when we haven't begun this season, you know,
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01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:58.599
And I think that's the hardest part.
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01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:00.559
Yeah, I've got to think.
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01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.119
The flip side of that, though, is when you get
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01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.800
guys who couldn't play last year, And obviously the first
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01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.559
guy that comes to mind for me is Jerome Hunter
1333
01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:10.320
because of everything he's been through. So when he can
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01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.440
get on the floor again, from a basketball coaches perspective,
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01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.320
you're thrilled to have him. But just the human part
1336
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:16.519
of that, it's got to make you feel great to
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01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:17.159
see him out.
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01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.760
There, no doubt, and Zach Fremano and Jerome I would
1339
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:24.719
share the same sentiment. You know. It'd be like Lesina
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01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:29.519
a year from today, knowing the rehabilitation, the surgery, the isolation,
1341
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:34.079
those dark days that accompany somebody having season ending injuries,
1342
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:36.559
you know, and your best attempt to keep them as
1343
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.719
part of what you're doing. There is that isolation and
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01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:42.400
to support them through that is one thing. But then
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01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:45.000
when they get to the other side, and you see
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01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.159
the resolve, how much they've been strengthened, how excited they
1347
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.360
are to be back out there. You know, that's the
1348
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.079
opposite feeling of the devastation. So we're thrilled to have
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01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:57.920
both Zach and Jerome with us right now. Those guys
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01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:01.280
are fully cleared. They've been fully cleared for a while,
1351
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.960
especially Zach, and I think they'll both be productive players
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01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:05.880
for US this season.
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Ex You head coach Sean Miller with US Musketeer Madness
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01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.679
on Friday. Starts at five o'clock at the Centa Center
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01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:16.360
FanFest and the plaza doors open at six. Women's scrimmage
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01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.480
at seven o'clock, followed by the men right around seven
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01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:22.880
forty five. Among the new players you bring in this year,
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01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.960
I loved watching last season that Indiana State team, and
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01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.559
so I watched Ryan Conwell a lot. For those who
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01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:31.840
maybe haven't had a chance to see him nearly as much,
1361
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:33.039
describe his game for me.
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01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.280
So, Ryan is a six to three guard. He has
1363
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:41.719
a unique body, weighs two hundred and fifteen pounds, so
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01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.920
he's strong and stocky. He uses that to his advantage.
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01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.400
He's incredibly efficient. Moh, you know whether you look at
1366
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:53.559
the shots he takes, the ones that he makes. Last year,
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01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.960
he made more three point shots than Quincy Oliveri did
1368
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.239
for US, and he shot it at a very similar percentage.
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01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:04.719
You know, Indiana State was just an incredibly fun team
1370
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.920
for any basketball fan to watch, and I would say
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01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.559
if Ryan wasn't their best player, he was certainly one
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of them. And he has a lot of winning qualities
1373
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.639
as well. He just he plays the game in a
1374
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.440
smart way and he impacts winning in a variety of
1375
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:23.119
ways besides his scoring. But we're really thrilled to have him.
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01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:26.239
You know, like I talked about Jerome and Zach, you know,
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01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.239
Ryan Conwell would be instrumental to our team this year.
1378
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.760
Give me similar scouting report with Dante Maddox.
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01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:37.239
Yeah, a lot of the same things that I talked
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01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:42.239
to you about with Ryan Conwell. Dante brings the same characteristics.
1381
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.599
You know, Dante played at Toledo where he won the
1382
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:49.639
last two Mid American Conference regular season championships. You know
1383
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.639
that Mo that that's a conference that deserves a lot
1384
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.840
of credit. I mean there's some really good coaches and
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01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.159
players in that league. So he comes from a winning environment.
1386
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:02.719
Like Ryan, he can really shoot the basketball. He knows
1387
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:05.480
how to play, can do it on defense and offense.
1388
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:09.039
And again, part of what we wanted to do in
1389
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:13.400
building our roster is to build an experienced group, a
1390
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:17.079
veteran group, a group that that could could play with
1391
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:21.279
skill and could score and really add that firepower to
1392
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:23.880
our to our roster. And I think Dante Maddox and
1393
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:27.000
Ryan Conwell really do that for us.
1394
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:30.920
We've done this in college basketball now for a few years,
1395
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:35.119
where you know, summer camp and and preseason practice is
1396
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:39.039
about meshing all these guys together who played the previous
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01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:41.640
season and other programs. I know this is going to
1398
01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:44.319
sound like a weird question, but is this starting to
1399
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:45.079
feel normal?
1400
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:46.439
Doing it this way?
1401
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:50.640
You know it better? Right?
1402
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:53.760
I don't know if it's I do know this. It's
1403
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:57.119
here to stay, you know. So you know, the world changes,
1404
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:00.560
you have to grow and evolve and adapt. And I
1405
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.119
think all industries and sometimes in sports, all of us
1406
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:06.399
just we want to keep it how it once was.
1407
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.800
Well that's not how this works. So we're all I think,
1408
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.920
growing and adapting and evolving as our world does. So
1409
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.760
it does feel more normal now. You know, when I
1410
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:22.720
was at Arizona during that period of time, everybody wanted
1411
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.600
to be in college for just a year or two. Right,
1412
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:29.159
So if you're the college basketball player, that's very good.
1413
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.760
You felt the pressure to leave college basketball and become
1414
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:35.840
a pro one and done, two and done. You know,
1415
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.159
if you became an upper classman, you almost were made
1416
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:42.880
to feel like something's wrong with you, You're not good enough. Right, Well,
1417
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.279
at least that's not the same, you know. Now, I
1418
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:48.520
think that there's a lot of players that are staying
1419
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:52.560
in college basketball longer they're in their fourth and fifth year.
1420
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:56.439
In some ways, mo, I think it makes our game,
1421
01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.239
the game of college basketball, even more exciting.
1422
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.199
I think as a fan, and you know I'm different,
1423
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.760
but like there's a transactional part to the offseason, so
1424
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.119
I can spend like you know, again, I mentioned I
1425
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:11.640
watched Ryan Conwell a lot, so I can I can
1426
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:13.239
try to figure out how he's going to fit in
1427
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.960
with the kids that you bring back. You're not a fan,
1428
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.199
though you're a coach. Your livelihood depends on this, But
1429
01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:20.920
I agree with you. I think it makes I know
1430
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.840
there are challenges. I know it's no fun to lose
1431
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:26.920
a kid, but as a fan, I think there's been
1432
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.840
a lot of positive to just watching watching teams get
1433
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.960
put together and changing how we talk about college basketball
1434
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:33.600
in the offseason.
1435
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:34.319
That's just me, though.
1436
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:38.479
Yeah, you know, I think the NFL is a great
1437
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.800
litmus test. This would be my perspective. What makes the
1438
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.439
NFL so amazing, I think for all of us is
1439
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.159
the parody. You know, whether it's just how many close
1440
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:53.439
games happen all at once on Sunday, or you know,
1441
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.760
you're in early December and what three quarters of the
1442
01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.640
league still have an opportunity to be in the playoffs,
1443
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.079
and then then the playoffs begin, and I know the
1444
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:06.359
Chiefs have been on fire, but let's face that, anybody
1445
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.680
can beat anybody, you know on that one shot deal.
1446
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:12.159
And it's like everybody loves the NFL because of the parody.
1447
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:16.000
And I think that's what makes March Madness so special
1448
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:19.279
that on any given day, it's not the best team,
1449
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:22.880
but who plays the best on that day. And if
1450
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.680
that's been if there's been parody before, mo, I don't
1451
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:29.640
think that they'll be anywhere close to what's going to
1452
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.960
happen in our future because of what you brought up,
1453
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:34.760
that there's so much change from one season to the
1454
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:38.680
next that it's just it's really hard to differentiate who's who.
1455
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:42.560
And I think that this this March madness, and even
1456
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:45.640
making the tournament, it's going to be more difficult than
1457
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:47.960
ever before for all of us.
1458
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:52.159
Xavier head coach Sean Miller, you mentioned the name. I'm
1459
01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:57.199
watching NBA TV two or three nights ago, and they're
1460
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:02.520
showing Lakers Bucks preseason highlights and Quincy OLIVERI is taking
1461
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.600
over in the fourth quarter.
1462
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:07.439
You've got your hands full of your team. But and
1463
01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:08.199
then I you know, I.
1464
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.279
Read folks who cover the LA Lakers because I'm a nerd,
1465
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:14.840
and they're raving about him, and Lebron James is talking
1466
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:18.439
about Quincy OLIVERI. Have have you followed this, Have you
1467
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:20.760
had a chance to talk with him? It feels like
1468
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:21.760
he's got a chance to.
1469
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:22.279
Make the club.
1470
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.119
Yeah, I sure hope. So. I do think that what
1471
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:29.640
he's done is he's put himself in a great position
1472
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:32.640
to be an NBA player if it doesn't work out
1473
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:35.239
with the Lakers, and I don't know if it will
1474
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.359
or will not. I hope it does. But when you
1475
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:41.680
you know, you're always auditioning for somebody at that level,
1476
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.920
and you know you catch another general manager's eye or
1477
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:48.960
somebody in another team. A lot of times that next
1478
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:52.680
opportunity comes from exactly what you just said. It's what
1479
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.000
you did in the month of October with the Lakers
1480
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.319
that gave you the next opportunity. But look, there's one
1481
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:01.920
thing that I've learned about Quincy. He's early to rie
1482
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.600
and he's late to go to bed, and he's about
1483
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:09.000
the main thing. The main thing with him is making
1484
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.159
the NBA and being the best player he can be.
1485
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.840
He's not confused and uh and he puts all eggs
1486
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.840
in his basket. He's super smart, he's incredibly driven, he's
1487
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:23.000
a great worker, tireless worker. And then as you know,
1488
01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:26.000
he is an elite shot maker. And you put all
1489
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:29.920
that together, it only takes one NBA team to like you.
1490
01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:32.479
And I believe this. I think they'll be an NBA
1491
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.239
team that's gonna that's gonna want him to be a
1492
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:36.159
part of what they do.
1493
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:38.920
You've had a lot of guys get to the next level,
1494
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:39.760
get to the NBA.
1495
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:42.520
What's what's the role of what's your role in all that?
1496
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.600
Or do do the Lakers reach out to do other
1497
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.319
teams reach out? And look, you had him for a
1498
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:49.199
year so it's it's a little bit different than if
1499
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:51.399
you had a guy for a longer stretch of time.
1500
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.359
But what's your role in that process where teams are
1501
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:56.920
giving a shot to a guy that you coached.
1502
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:01.880
You know, I always try to have a role, and
1503
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.680
I want the role to be positive. In some situations,
1504
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:08.800
I don't have much of one, even if I wanted to,
1505
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:11.520
And then there have been some others that you know,
1506
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.880
I really just try to stay in the game and
1507
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.720
in the player's corner because look, if I can push
1508
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.520
him one percent five percent, if I can be helpful
1509
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:23.560
in any way, it might be simply just answering a
1510
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.520
few questions. You know, I always want want to want
1511
01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:28.760
to be available because at the end of the day,
1512
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.439
that's that's what this is all about, right, seeing them
1513
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.920
reach their goals and dreams, and when that happens, it's
1514
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:38.760
it's an amazing feeling for everybody, including our fans, Right,
1515
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.760
there's nothing that they want to see more than seeing
1516
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:44.960
Quincy all a very way or where an NBA uniform.
1517
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:49.399
He represents us, the sinst them. So I always try
1518
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:51.880
to help and in some way I believe I can
1519
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:52.960
be helpful with Quincy.
1520
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.000
Yeah, definitely rooting for him. You have a busy weekend
1521
01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.039
this weekend and then things really get going. You've got
1522
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:03.079
musketeer Manness on Friday, and then the charity exhibition against
1523
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.800
the Dayton Flyers up at ud Arena at five o'clock
1524
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:08.880
on Sunday. I cannot thank you enough of your time.
1525
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:10.720
I'm a big fan of the podcast.
1526
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.479
We love having you and uh hopefully we can do
1527
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.000
it during the season. Coach, thanks so much.
1528
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:18.199
You know, mo, I might have to get you on
1529
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:20.079
as as a guest, you know, and as you know,
1530
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:22.560
when you start doing these podcasts, you start running out
1531
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:24.279
of out of certain.
1532
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:25.119
Players or whatever.
1533
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:27.319
This maybe maybe I'll reverse the game on.
1534
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:28.800
You, all right, you know, you know, here's the deal.
1535
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.640
During during the pandemic, when like folks were hard up
1536
01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:34.119
for people, we found out I'm a good podcast guess
1537
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.800
because you know, people would run through their rolodexic guests
1538
01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:38.680
and then it would get empty and they'd call me.
1539
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:40.479
So I have filled that role before.
1540
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.880
I would be honored beyond belief to be your I
1541
01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:45.399
will quickly roll on you.
1542
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.800
But I'm in This isn't yeah, no, no, no, this
1543
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.840
isn't one of these invites because I'm run out of guests.
1544
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:54.399
I do think you'd be a great Uh. You'd be
1545
01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:56.840
a great change up though, you know for me, and uh,
1546
01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.600
and look, I need all the help I can get,
1547
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.039
but yeah, we're gonna get you on. Okay, we'll make it.
1548
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:03.239
You need no help, but I will be honored and
1549
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:05.920
let's make that happen. I appreciate the time as always.
1550
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.279
Coach, thanks you all right, Okay, you take care of mom.
1551
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.279
You got it. Sean Miller, head coach of the Musketeers.
1552
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.960
Musketeer Madness fan fest at five doors open at six
1553
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.159
men's and women's programs, both involved. Billy Chambers team will
1554
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:22.920
take the floor at seven o'clock for a scrimmage, and
1555
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:27.039
then Shawn's Xavier squad takes the floor at right about
1556
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.520
seven forty five. And I know there are folks in
1557
01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:33.039
our audience who might not be following the NBA preseason
1558
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:36.239
all that closely, but Quincy Oliveri has done some really
1559
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:39.199
cool things with the LA Lakers and a friend of
1560
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:41.079
the show because he joined us from the Final four
1561
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:45.039
when he was competing in both the three point competition
1562
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:48.680
and he was in the NABC All Star Game and
1563
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:54.840
again Friday Musketeer Madness Xavier Dayton at ud Arena and
1564
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.640
what Anthony Grant and his staff have done with these
1565
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:03.720
charity exhibitions promoting and encouraging an increased awareness of mental
1566
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:09.000
health absolutely awesome. Xavier Dayton part of that on Sunday
1567
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:10.840
and uc Ohio State for.
1568
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.439
The same initiative on Friday evening.
1569
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.800
Good stuff from a Shawn Miller And if you haven't
1570
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.960
listened to the Shawn Miller podcast, it's entertaining. It's entertaining
1571
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:22.640
stuff all right. Now, we're here for the next hour
1572
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:26.760
at Buffalo Wild Wings Harper's Point. We've got bud Light specials,
1573
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:29.760
buy one, get one half off traditional Wings. We've got
1574
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:33.640
the six for nineteen ninety nine special, two entrees, two sides,
1575
01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:36.439
two fountain drinks, and so much more.
1576
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:37.760
We're still giving away the cooler.
1577
01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:41.159
We're still giving away one more Bengals bud Light hoodie.
1578
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:43.279
I'm wearing one right now. I look good in this thing.
1579
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:46.359
Our buddy Sean Sayet is going to join us. Our
1580
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:47.880
friend Bill Cook is going to join us. We had
1581
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:49.720
to move him to five thirty three. At least I
1582
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:51.600
think he agreed to move to five thirty three. We'll
1583
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.359
find out, I guess and we're here for another hour.
1584
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.239
You can I got to get to a poll question
1585
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:59.960
thanks to United Heartland Insurance. We'll do that at Moegger
1586
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:03.199
and perhaps if we have time, squeezing a phone call
1587
01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:05.600
or two as well. Five point three seven four nine
1588
01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.520
fifteen thirty eight sixty six seven oh two three seven
1589
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:09.119
seven six.
1590
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:11.880
Anything you might have missed you can go find on.
1591
01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:16.119
The iHeartRadio app or my page at ESPN fifteen thirty
1592
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:20.560
dot com. We're broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wings Harper's Point.
1593
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:21.640
We're here for another hour.
1594
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:25.079
It's five o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.
1595
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.720
Good Borrow and his Bengals roar into Cleveland to take
1596
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:32.520
down the brim. Yes, said sax say, it's an AFC
1597
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:33.479
NORD showdown.
1598
01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:35.760
Well into the NZ touchdown.
1599
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:39.039
The Orange and Black are ready to attend.
1600
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.000
Dam Hobbard tackle the King.
1601
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.199
Hit the n Done n Ord and Dave Leaven bring
1602
01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:46.760
you the call. Coverage starts Sunday morning at nine on
1603
01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:51.840
ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.
1604
01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:55.039
Yeah, what's up? Good aping name Bleger, ESPN fifteen thirty.
1605
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.960
Thank you for listening and joining us for a Buffalo
1606
01:18:59.079 --> 01:18:59.600
Wild Wings.
1607
01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:03.720
Well like nine minutes late, we sort of flew by
1608
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:04.600
the seat of our pants.
1609
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:06.920
That are but great to have a Sean.
1610
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.760
Miller with us. And I think I'd be a good
1611
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:11.520
guest on this podcast. I'm gonna be a guest on
1612
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:14.880
the Bengal Gym podcast tonight and so that'd be fun
1613
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.159
for everybody. And then I think I think Sean Miller
1614
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.159
and I talking hoops on his podcast. I think would
1615
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.600
be a I'm gonna I'm gonna wait for my invitation.
1616
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:24.520
I think it'd be a lot of fun. Always cool
1617
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:27.680
of Sean to join us whenever we ask our buddy.
1618
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:31.319
Speaking of Shawn, Sean sayed Sumer Sports Schemes, Stats and
1619
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.640
Schemes podcast, who is terrific He is gonna be with
1620
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.840
us at five twenty. I think he's bullish on the Bengals.
1621
01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:39.479
I think he should be bullish on the Bengals. I
1622
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:42.479
was bullish on the Bengals at one and four. As
1623
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:44.960
the guy who on this show said, like that is
1624
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.239
a stock, you're buying it low, I'll buy it low.
1625
01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.119
I'm buying it because of the offense. I feel exactly
1626
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.079
the same way about the Bengals offensively after the Giants game,
1627
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.279
as I did going in, and I'm using Sunday Night
1628
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:02.199
as a foundation. Defenses do get better. I think it's
1629
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.279
the fun part I believe of following a team during
1630
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:07.520
a season, and I think maybe a little bit more
1631
01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:10.119
so in sports like football and basketball, but it can
1632
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:14.479
apply to others. Is watching what a team starts off
1633
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:16.239
as and seeing what it becomes.
1634
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:17.760
Sometimes they get worse.
1635
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:21.199
Maybe injury has something to do with that, maybe attrition
1636
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:23.680
in other ways has something to do with that, But.
1637
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.279
Oftentimes how it gets better.
1638
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.720
And I think sometimes because we love being right and
1639
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:34.560
we love affirmation, we love you know, we'd rather be
1640
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:38.520
right than be happy. In some cases, what we initially see,
1641
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:40.640
in what our initial take is is not something that
1642
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.000
we're gonna veer from. I think there are some UC
1643
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:47.119
football fans who are guilty of this because they've decided
1644
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.520
they're out on Scott's sadderfield, or they never embraced him
1645
01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:52.279
being the coach. I'm not here to tell you that
1646
01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:55.479
I'm one hundred percent sure that he's the guy to
1647
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.479
take this program to the next level. But I think
1648
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:00.439
the Bearcats are better than they were a month ago.
1649
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.760
I think the Bearcats are significantly better than they were
1650
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:06.119
a year ago, and I think they're they're moving in
1651
01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:09.479
the right direction this year's team to a degree, the program,
1652
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.079
I think with the Bengals, I used the illustration before,
1653
01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:16.399
you know, twenty twenty one, when a team has a
1654
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:19.880
great year and a year that's remembered with such, you know,
1655
01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:24.000
tremendous fondness forever, I think we sometimes act as if, boy,
1656
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:27.319
that team just destroyed everybody, right Like, I'm a UC
1657
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:31.880
basketball fan, and you know, we revere Kenyon Martin's senior year,
1658
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.119
and certainly that team had a share of blowouts. But
1659
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.479
I remember that year very very well, and there were
1660
01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:39.680
some games that were a little bit more difficult than
1661
01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:42.039
perhaps they should have been, you know.
1662
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:43.239
Or there were there were.
1663
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.039
Games that Kenyan had to like put the team on
1664
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:47.840
his shoulder because they were backed up against the wall.
1665
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:53.199
The twenty twenty one UC football team, they went undefeated, man, but.
1666
01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:55.119
There were times during that year where.
1667
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:57.560
They beat Tulsa by eight points, and they struggled against
1668
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.680
Navy and the two lane game was closer than it
1669
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:02.840
should have been. The twenty one Bengals, you know, if
1670
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:04.800
you look at that team defensively midway through the.
1671
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:07.520
Season, not great, not great at all.
1672
01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:11.000
Gave up thirty four to Mike White, and the Jets
1673
01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:14.279
allowed the Chargers to come here and hang forty one
1674
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:18.439
on them, gave up forty one to a very okay
1675
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:22.800
at best Browns team, And then things started to click
1676
01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:25.239
down the stretch, and they were awesome in the second
1677
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:27.359
half of the regular season game against the Chiefs, and
1678
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:31.319
they were terrific in the postseason in the three wins
1679
01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:35.239
that they piled up on on the way to the
1680
01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:38.840
Super Bowl. Defenses do improve, Maybe this defense does improve.
1681
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.279
By the way, I tend to think there's a good
1682
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:43.720
chance at will, because look, they've got a lot of
1683
01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:45.560
young players, but they've got a lot of young players
1684
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:48.159
who weren't exactly pulled off the scrap heap. And so
1685
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:51.039
if their evaluations of those young players proves to be
1686
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:55.279
correct and they stay healthy, then I just I'm led
1687
01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:57.640
to believe that by the middle of the season or
1688
01:22:57.640 --> 01:22:59.439
by the end of the season. I guess we're getting
1689
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:01.000
kind of close to the middle of the season. By
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01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:02.439
the end of the season, the Bengals could have a
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01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.479
pretty good unit on the strength of a lot of
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01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:07.560
those guys. The Bengals chose to draft, but Killy Jackson
1693
01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:11.560
played a second NFL game on Sunday night. Chris Jenkins
1694
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.039
got a slow start to the season because he wasn't available.
1695
01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.359
DJ Turner made a huge play, Jordan Battle got some run.
1696
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:19.960
And yet there are some veteran players that you need
1697
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.720
more from. You need more from Sheldon Rankins, you need
1698
01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:25.359
more from his a general rule, Sam Hubbard, you need
1699
01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:27.840
more from Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt. By the way,
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01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:30.600
the Jermaine Pratt pick on Sunday night, that was the
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01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.600
twenty twenty one play. That was the play. That's what
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01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:36.840
the Bengals did in twenty twenty one. Let teams move
1703
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:38.600
the ball, get a turnover in the red zone.
1704
01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:42.680
They got it. And so I as bullish as I.
1705
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:46.159
Was last week, with one more win under their belt,
1706
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:50.840
I'm more bullish now. Speaking of the Bearcats, Scott Saderfield's
1707
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:52.560
gonna join us, or as that I canna join us.
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01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:54.760
We're gonna hear from him coming up in just about
1709
01:23:54.760 --> 01:24:00.479
thirty minutes. You know, the uc Bearcats on Saturday ugly
1710
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:04.279
win a game that they should have won by probably
1711
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:09.279
three touchdowns. UCF started a third string quarterback. They got
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01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:12.000
away from RJ. Harvey on the ground in a close game,
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01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:14.840
and that didn't make sense. I worry about the kicking
1714
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:20.479
with UC. The injury issue is I'm not necessarily sure
1715
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.359
going away, because boy, they had a lot of dudes
1716
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:24.920
who took the field that were kind of beaten up
1717
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:28.760
on Saturday. But if you're going to have a successful season,
1718
01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:30.840
you got to figure out ways to win when you're
1719
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:33.399
maybe not at your best. To do that in conference
1720
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:35.760
play on the road is not easy.
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01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:38.199
I thought twenty twenty one.
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01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:41.079
It came to my mind on Saturday when I was
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01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:43.439
watching that game on Saturday afternoon.
1724
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.800
It was sloppier than you would like.
1725
01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:51.000
Bearcats didn't finish drives, didn't capitalize in scoring points in
1726
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.279
the red zone, and yet as an underdog went on
1727
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:56.800
the road and won, which is really hard to do.
1728
01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:59.800
It is hard to do, and that game felt to
1729
01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:03.159
me like that middle stretch in twenty twenty one, where
1730
01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:05.800
they gutted out victories and found ways to win when
1731
01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:08.119
they weren't at their best, and they were sizeable favorites
1732
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.199
against teams that you could argue they should have beaten
1733
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:12.880
more handily. I'm not telling you this team is as
1734
01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:15.079
good as twenty twenty one, because it's clearly not.
1735
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:18.760
But they found a way to win on the road.
1736
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:21.920
In conference play, they're two to one, and on two
1737
01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:27.760
different occasions they haven't allowed a really tough loss emotionally.
1738
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:31.199
To hang over the team the following week.
1739
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:33.840
It did not when they lost to Pittsburgh the way
1740
01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:35.800
they did, and it did not and they had a
1741
01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:36.279
bye week.
1742
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:38.840
It did not after the Texas Tech game either.
1743
01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.680
We're at Buffalo Wild Wings Harper's point, if you're just
1744
01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:43.680
getting off work in the area, come on out and
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01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.199
hang out. We're still drawing for a cooler. We're still
1746
01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:48.720
drawing for a hoodie. Was our winner not here?
1747
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.159
All right? We drew a winner. She wasn't here, So
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01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:52.760
that's gonna be somebody's gain.
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You got to get here between now and six o'clock
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by one get one half off Traditional Wings Bud Light
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You cannot beat that.
1754
01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:10.039
You also cannot beat Sean sayed he's going to talk
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01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:14.039
Bengals with us next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
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01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:23.000
Station Bengals Cincinnatis ESPN fifteen thirty. This is football in
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01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:26.359
Thenetti run to you in pipe by blood Light and
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01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:30.960
by Skyline Shilly on the official home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis,
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01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:32.760
ESPN fifteen thirty.
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It is twenty two minutes after five o'clock on ESPN
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01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:40.000
fifteen thirty on my Leger Broadcasting, as.
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01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:42.560
We do every Tuesday, Buffalo Wild Wings.
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01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:46.000
Harper's Point and kind enough to join us every week
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during the season.
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01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:48.800
Somebody we have loved having with us.
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01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:53.079
Sean Sayed, a host of the Stats and Scheme podcast,
1767
01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.399
also the author of the Monday Morning Mashup column for
1768
01:26:56.479 --> 01:27:00.239
Sumer Sports, which you should read every single Monday, full
1769
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.119
rundown of everything that happened that mattered. It's some stuff
1770
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.680
that didn't matter in the NFL. Bengals and Giants mattered,
1771
01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:09.880
at least to us. Maybe it mattered to Sean.
1772
01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.000
How you doing, sir, No, I'm doing great.
1773
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:14.880
You know the second time we get to talk after
1774
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.720
a win, certainly hope to continue to get those going,
1775
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.359
and I would agree. You know, you play on Sunday night,
1776
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:22.600
you get a win, you start rolling. You look at
1777
01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:25.119
to the schedule, maybe you pull three more wins in
1778
01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:27.479
a row before you go ahead and play Baltimore.
1779
01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:28.039
That would be great.
1780
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:31.079
A cynic would look at Sunday night and say, well,
1781
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:35.279
the Giants didn't have Malik Neighbors, they didn't have Devin
1782
01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:37.359
single Terry. They're not a team that was going to
1783
01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:40.159
beat the Bengals downfield with a bunch of explosive plays.
1784
01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:42.399
Maybe it wasn't a given the Bengals were going to
1785
01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:44.960
hold them to just seven points, but that's a team
1786
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.560
against which the Bengals should play well defensively. Can you
1787
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:52.640
throw water over that or on top of that's gonna cynicism.
1788
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:55.960
I think that what I liked from this game, Even
1789
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.880
considering and understanding, yes, the Giants are not a top
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01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:01.640
end offense in this league, you still get examples where
1791
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:04.760
Trey Hendrickson is able to go against a top tackle
1792
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.560
in the league, and Andrew Thomas then create pressures and
1793
01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:10.159
get sacked, and then bj Hill and Sheldon Rankins they
1794
01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:13.520
looked stout on the inside. So I do think that
1795
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:16.239
that can carry over a bit where even though you're
1796
01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:17.760
not playing against the best competition.
1797
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:20.359
Look, the Browns offense is not exactly lighting.
1798
01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:20.800
The world on fire.
1799
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:22.479
Maybe they're lighting it on fire in a negative way
1800
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:24.840
a little bit, but you start to feel a little
1801
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.319
bit better. Where we talked the past few weeks about
1802
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:29.119
oh man, what are they gonna do on the inside
1803
01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:31.479
and run defense, Now you get guys playing a little
1804
01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:33.960
bit better. I do think that's a sign of better
1805
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:34.560
things to come.
1806
01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:36.479
Here's what I liked about it.
1807
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:38.880
I saw a defensive line that was healthy, and I
1808
01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:40.039
saw a defensive line.
1809
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:42.479
Look, you and I have talked about Bengals.
1810
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.399
Need to put more pressure on the quarterback, uh, but
1811
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:48.520
Trey Hendrickson needed help. And the defensive line that I
1812
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:52.319
saw with McKinley Jackson, with Sheldon Rankins and with bj
1813
01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:55.199
Hill who was terrific and Chris Jenkins, Like, all right,
1814
01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:57.920
So maybe we're not talking about a collection of superstars there,
1815
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:02.039
but players the Bengals believed enough into pay or draft early.
1816
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:05.600
And so what I saw was a defensive line capable
1817
01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:09.560
of using a lot of guys rotationally and providing help
1818
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:10.399
to Trey Hendrickson.
1819
01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:11.119
Can you speak to that?
1820
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:14.479
Yeah, And having a rotation is such an important thing
1821
01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:16.920
in the league because you know your defensive.
1822
01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.000
Linemen are not going to play every single stat I
1823
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:21.840
think one of the advantages are is that offensive linemen
1824
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:24.439
have to take every snap, but defensive guys, you're hopefully
1825
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:26.680
you're able to cycle them out a little bit and
1826
01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:28.800
when you go to that second unit, which you're going
1827
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:30.960
to in some of these games, and you can feel
1828
01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.600
a little bit more positive about it, that's a good thing.
1829
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.439
But really, anything that can help tre Hendrickson out, whether
1830
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:38.199
it's you know, you get a good play on the
1831
01:29:38.279 --> 01:29:40.960
opposite end as well, and if you can force the
1832
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:44.479
offensive line to just have to worry about other players
1833
01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:46.880
just a little bit, you can create really true one
1834
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.520
on ones where you have Henderson who he can beat
1835
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:52.920
all pro players in this league. And on the defensive side,
1836
01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:57.119
sometimes you just need one shutdown playmaker. And when Henderson's
1837
01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:59.760
able to do it and the other defensive linemen are
1838
01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:02.119
able to continue to make him look better too, that
1839
01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:04.439
starts to become something where, you know, we're not going
1840
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:06.439
to talk about this as a top ten defense, but
1841
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.079
a defense that can shut the door when the Bengals
1842
01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:10.159
offense scores enough points.
1843
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.760
Well, you know, and also like in basketball, we say, boy,
1844
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.720
you know what, the offense looks great when the shots
1845
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.479
are going. In a defense, looks great when when the
1846
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:19.880
tackles are made, and you know that's a function to
1847
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:21.720
being in the right position and taking the right angles
1848
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:24.520
and all sort of that stuff. But as as much
1849
01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:26.399
as you know, we might love to dive into the
1850
01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:29.359
to the x's and o's, which are important, sometimes it's
1851
01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.399
as simple as guy catches it, you bring him to
1852
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:33.359
the ground, or guy takes a hand off, you bring
1853
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:36.039
him to the ground. And the Bengals haven't always been
1854
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:38.039
good at that. This year, that's to me what stood
1855
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.000
down stood out on Sunday night. They were good at
1856
01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:40.720
making tackles.
1857
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:45.199
Yeah, that's it's so important. It's absolutely a game of
1858
01:30:45.279 --> 01:30:47.920
blocking and tackle. We can draw whatever we want on
1859
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.199
the board, we can make it look as fancy as
1860
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:50.479
you want.
1861
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:52.319
At the end of the day, it is going to
1862
01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:54.239
end up in a one on one matchup where we
1863
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:55.079
talk about, you know.
1864
01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:57.720
Kee Higgins able to win those on offense and then
1865
01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:00.359
in space, can you make a tackle? That was a
1866
01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:03.359
struggle over the first few weeks and even just watching it.
1867
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.399
You know, we've talked a few times about does the
1868
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:06.680
Bengals defense look slow?
1869
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:10.000
They did feel maybe just a touch faster in this game.
1870
01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:12.479
Maybe playing a little bit more confident, just having guys
1871
01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:14.760
kind of meshing together, and you know you're gonna look,
1872
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.039
I think better overall when you play the Giants offense.
1873
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:20.920
But if you can just continue to lower that mistackle percentage,
1874
01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.840
it makes the offenses life harder. When an offense then
1875
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:25.600
you know, they start to get antsy, they want to
1876
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:27.640
push the ball down the field, and you're able to
1877
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:29.640
stop those deep throws the way that the Bengals were
1878
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:30.600
able to in this game.
1879
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:33.039
You know, now we're starting to talk about a good unit.
1880
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.560
Sean Zayan is with his Sumer Sports Monday Morning mash
1881
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:41.399
up in the Stats and Schemes podcast. Uh, it was
1882
01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:45.000
not a great night for the Bengals offensively. How much
1883
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:47.239
of that was a function of what New York was doing?
1884
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:50.359
And did New York do things that if you're any
1885
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:52.640
of the defenses the Bengals are going to play subsequent
1886
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:55.840
in that game on Sunday night, you can grab from Yes.
1887
01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:59.000
I thought that the Giants has made a comparted effort
1888
01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:02.159
to making sure two defensive backs for over Jamar Chase,
1889
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:05.319
whether that's playing man coverage and having the safety also
1890
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:08.359
really playing kind of an inside man coverage, or just
1891
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:11.840
having like kind of a zone cornerback in Chase's face
1892
01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:14.439
and a safety over the top. So they really said, hey,
1893
01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:16.319
go ahead and beat us with Key Higgins. And I
1894
01:32:16.359 --> 01:32:18.960
think that Burrow did a good job of finding Higgins
1895
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:21.119
as well as the offense moving Chase around.
1896
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:25.319
And you know, I do feel like if you're comfortable doing.
1897
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.960
That on the defensive side, where the Giants played a
1898
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:31.159
ton of light boxes, only six guys and really daring.
1899
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:33.399
The Bengals to run the ball or throw away from Chase,
1900
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:36.479
I feel like that's a good approach on defense.
1901
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.720
I do think, you know, not every defense is gonna
1902
01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:42.319
have one of the best defensive tackles in the entire league,
1903
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:44.600
so I feel like that will be something just interesting
1904
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:47.279
and monitor. But overall, I thought it was a good
1905
01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:49.880
plan by the Giants. And then you start to see
1906
01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:52.600
Burrow react to that with just more quick passes, where
1907
01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:56.119
he was twelve or twelve on quick passes in this game.
1908
01:32:56.680 --> 01:33:00.000
You watch with a critical lie me watching in real time,
1909
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:04.199
it just it felt to me like Joe kind of
1910
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:07.079
uncharacteristically held the ball a little bit too long. He
1911
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:09.479
even talked after the game about having some happy feet.
1912
01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:13.119
How much of the pressure the Giants were able to
1913
01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:14.800
put on him. Was a function of that when you
1914
01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:17.319
watched it critically, Yeah, I.
1915
01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:19.520
Do think that, you know, I think he's being honest
1916
01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:21.760
in that, and you can see that on film when
1917
01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:24.239
he was extending plays, you know, he certainly wasn't as
1918
01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:27.319
successfully he was seven for sixteen on those plays that
1919
01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:29.920
extended a little bit further. And I mean the Giants
1920
01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.399
were able to create pressure with Dizzo Zallai, they were
1921
01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:35.640
able to create pressure with Dexter Lawrence. I think that
1922
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:39.640
that is tying together the situation where the Bengals want
1923
01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:41.680
to throw to de Marchase, but the Giants have two
1924
01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:44.279
defenders over him, and then you're also kind of getting
1925
01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:47.199
some pressure in your last particularly from the inside.
1926
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I do you think all that ties together.
1927
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:50.520
But we've seen enough from from Burrow I think to
1928
01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:53.359
feel fine with an overall, I do think, you know,
1929
01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:54.680
on the outside.
1930
01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:56.159
On the tackles to get both tackles get beat once.
1931
01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:59.079
I think Nims was, you know, the time he got beat,
1932
01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:01.239
it seemed like he was kind off on the snap count.
1933
01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:04.800
So overall, I think, you know, decent showings from there,
1934
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:07.600
but still a situation where now you go against the
1935
01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:09.760
Browns where Dalvin Thompson just had a good game and
1936
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.159
you're gonna see Miles Garrett line up inside and just
1937
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.359
team should find different ways to line up and try
1938
01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.439
and you know, create stunts and mess with the Bengals
1939
01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:19.680
offensive line to Forthborough.
1940
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:21.159
To kind of have to pack the ball a few times.
1941
01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:25.000
You you mentioned the Browns Deshaun Watson. It just it
1942
01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:27.960
hasn't worked. And I could recite for you any number
1943
01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:31.439
of stats that will illustrate why it hasn't worked. H
1944
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.840
to the extent that you've watched him and that team critically,
1945
01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:37.560
give me an idea of why it just it is
1946
01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:39.319
so historically bad this season.
1947
01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:42.800
Yeah, it's it feels like it's a little bit of everything.
1948
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:46.039
Like it seems like he's just you know, not playing
1949
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.600
position well at so many levels, whether it's how he's
1950
01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:51.960
seeing the defense, you know, how he's deciding to make throws.
1951
01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:54.039
I mean, he's holding the ball onto the ball a
1952
01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:56.239
little bit too long at times, just based on the concept.
1953
01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:58.439
At the same time, you know, they don't have the
1954
01:34:58.479 --> 01:34:59.520
most fired offense.
1955
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:02.439
Of course, just traded away. Amari Cooper sent out.
1956
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:04.279
All right, you're going to Jerry Judy as your bet
1957
01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:06.720
kind of target. I do think think trub might be
1958
01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:08.760
coming back this week, So that might be a situation
1959
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.039
where you know, the Bengals, We're gonna have to continue
1960
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:14.319
to tackle really really well, but this overall and offensive
1961
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:17.720
unit that is largely non threatening, and so if the
1962
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:20.760
Bengals have to face that two times in a row,
1963
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:22.920
you know you can't choose the schedule.
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01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:26.920
Right, Yeah, no question. All right, we'll talk to you
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next Tuesday. Good stuff as always, Man, thanks.
1966
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.960
So much, appreciate it about tucktion, You got it.
1967
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.640
Sean Saya, the Monday morning mashup column for sumer sports
1968
01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:38.479
dot Com and the Stats and Scheme podcast is a
1969
01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:39.199
must listen.
1970
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:41.960
Go find him and follow him on x at say
1971
01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:42.680
ed Schemes.
1972
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:43.479
UH.
1973
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:47.520
One of the better books about a Cincinnati sports figure
1974
01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:51.199
is written by Bill Cook. I read it this weekend,
1975
01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:54.399
Unfinished Painting. It is about, for my money, the greatest
1976
01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:56.399
what if in the history of the Cincinnati Bengals.
1977
01:35:56.920 --> 01:35:59.880
Greg Cook. We'll chat with Bill Cook next on ESPN.
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You've been listening to Football in the Natti on the
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official home of the Bengals Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati twenty.
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Six Away from six o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
1981
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I am broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wing's Harper's Point. I
1982
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:25.520
mentioned this earlier that I read this book last week
1983
01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:29.319
and if Bill Cook writes it, I read it. Bill
1984
01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:32.439
covered Cincinnati sports for years for both The Inquirer and
1985
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:36.399
The Post before he retired for Go Bearcats dot.
1986
01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:39.560
Com and has written a whole series.
1987
01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:42.960
Of books on a bunch of different topics during his career,
1988
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:47.199
but since he ended his newspaper career, and his latest
1989
01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:50.640
was terrific, is terrific, and I wanted to spend some
1990
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:52.760
time with Bill talking about it. It's about Greg Cook,
1991
01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:58.039
the Bearcat legend. And I say this with all due
1992
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:02.760
respect the Bengals. What if Greg passed away twelve years ago.
1993
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:06.399
He is somebody that I never had a chance to meet,
1994
01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:08.880
but I've always I've always gotten a kick out of
1995
01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:12.439
talking with people who were around Greg Cook, watched him play,
1996
01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:15.640
in some cases, played with him, and so I was
1997
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:19.840
really excited to read Bill's book about Greg's life, his
1998
01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:22.600
time as a Bearcat, his time as a Bengal, his
1999
01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:27.880
time trying to return to the Bengals, and in many
2000
01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:31.359
respects and many of them sad what life was like
2001
01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:35.000
for him once football was no longer something he could do.
2002
01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:37.800
The name of the book is unfinished, painting the untold
2003
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:40.359
story of Bengals phenom Greg Cook, Bill is with us.
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01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:43.079
First of all, thank you for your flexibility with time.
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01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:45.000
It's good to have you. What's going on.
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01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:49.359
Well, thanks for having me on MO. Flexibility is no
2007
01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:51.880
big deal. I'm retired, that's no problem.
2008
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:56.640
I appreciate you moving some stuff around for us. Is
2009
01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:00.159
Greg Cook the biggest what if in Bengal's history?
2010
01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:02.439
I don't think there's any question about that.
2011
01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:04.560
I mean, even Mike Brown.
2012
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:07.680
He's not exactly known for making Outlanda's statements, told me
2013
01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:09.720
that if Greg hadn't gotten hurt, the Bengals would have
2014
01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:12.359
been the team of the seventies instead of the Steelers. So,
2015
01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:16.359
you know, he was so talented. Everybody I talked to
2016
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:19.399
who played with him or saw him play in his prime, well,
2017
01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:22.640
they're no greater authority on quarterbacks and Bill Walsh and
2018
01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:25.000
he said he was the greatest talent to ever play
2019
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:25.520
the physician.
2020
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.279
Yeah, and there's a lot of there's a lot to
2021
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:33.840
that in what you wrote. You obviously, you know you
2022
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:36.560
covered sports in this town. But I think most closely
2023
01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.039
the University of Cincinnati. What about Greg as a Bearcat?
2024
01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:42.560
Did you not know going in that you knew coming out?
2025
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:47.439
Well? I met Greg. I had dinner with Greg once
2026
01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:50.239
just as an aside, when he tried to get into
2027
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.279
a broadcasting career and he did color commentary on He
2028
01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:56.159
was like Jim Kelly junior for a couple of years,
2029
01:38:56.640 --> 01:39:00.439
and I remember on a UC football road trip having
2030
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:02.159
dinner with him and a few other people. That's the
2031
01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:04.560
only time I ever met him. But what I didn't
2032
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:07.079
know is he wasn't much of a star when he
2033
01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:10.760
until his senior year. He didn't start until his junior year,
2034
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:13.239
and he wasn't out of that great. He wasn't bad,
2035
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:16.920
but he was nothing special. And then Bengals or the
2036
01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.239
UC coach at the time head coach was Holm of Rice.
2037
01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:21.880
He later became the Bengals head coach, and he pulled
2038
01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:23.760
Greg aside after the season and said, if you want
2039
01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:25.560
to play in the NFL, you need to step it
2040
01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:29.079
up to vote this summer to getting better and because
2041
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:31.079
you've got the talent. And so that's what he did
2042
01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:34.680
every day with his two favorite receivers, Tom Rossin Jim O'Brien,
2043
01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:36.840
and when he came back out his senior year, he
2044
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:40.800
led the nation in passing and total offense and was
2045
01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:41.960
a first round draft picker.
2046
01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:45.800
And this is more of a comment than it is
2047
01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:49.239
a question like put up numbers. You know, his all
2048
01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:52.399
time record for passing yards in the game made it
2049
01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:55.720
through twenty fifteen, when it was when it was, it
2050
01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:59.319
was broken. And then you would go back and look
2051
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:02.600
at Greg's number, a bearcat. They looked like numbers that
2052
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.000
you would associate with twenty first century football, not college
2053
01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.039
football played in the nineteen sixties.
2054
01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:11.439
Well, yeah, they only played ten games back then, for
2055
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.239
one thing, and they didn't throw the ball the way
2056
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.640
they do now. I mean they would, they would rarely
2057
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:20.359
throw it twenty times a game. But Homer Rice was
2058
01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:22.640
smart enough to know what he had in Greg, and
2059
01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:25.000
he pretty much cut him loose, and he just had
2060
01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:28.720
he did have two great receivers. Jim O'Brien became, as
2061
01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:32.439
you know, famous for kicking the game winning field goal
2062
01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:36.960
in being with Super Bowl five, and he said he
2063
01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:39.600
also kicked the game winning field goal to beat Miami
2064
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.279
and Greg's last game when Greig rallied him from behind
2065
01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:44.439
in the fourth quarter, Brian kicked the field goal to
2066
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:46.600
win the game, and he said his field goal to
2067
01:40:46.600 --> 01:40:48.319
beat Miami is just as important to him as a
2068
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:52.079
field goal that he won the Super Bowl with. But yeah,
2069
01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:54.680
Greg was he was an anomaly for his time. He
2070
01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.560
was He could throw the ball ninety yards downfield. He
2071
01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.319
was big and strong. Here's a there's a picture those
2072
01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:03.319
old days where he used to take post pictures for football,
2073
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:06.760
for promotional things. And there's a picture of him with
2074
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.399
his center and he's doesn't have a helmet on or anything,
2075
01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:12.720
but and he's taking the staff from the center. He
2076
01:41:12.760 --> 01:41:14.680
looks just as big as the center. He was six
2077
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:18.199
' four, like two twenty. He could run like a deer,
2078
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:20.920
and he had such a powerful arm, and he rarely
2079
01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:23.479
ever looked to just if he couldn't find somebody open,
2080
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:25.439
or if he was under pressure, he wouldn't just drop
2081
01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:28.760
the ball off. He would scramble, but he would always
2082
01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:30.520
keep his eyes downfield. He always wanted to make the
2083
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:32.560
big play. And when he played for the Bengals, a
2084
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:34.760
lot of times his big plays with pob Trump.
2085
01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:39.840
Greg Bill Cook is with us to talk about his
2086
01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:42.880
book about Greg Cook, Unfinished Painting the untold story of
2087
01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:46.439
Bengals phenom Greg Cook. You talked to a lot of
2088
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:50.680
people for this who had spent time with Greg, had
2089
01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:53.680
played with Greg, had witnessed his greatness on the football field,
2090
01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:57.319
had witnessed his struggles when he suffered the injury that
2091
01:41:57.399 --> 01:41:58.359
derailed his career.
2092
01:41:58.399 --> 01:41:59.720
Who did you enjoy talking with.
2093
01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:03.920
Most Well, Bob Trump, He was a big help to me.
2094
01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:08.239
Mike Reid was amazing. And I remember when I got
2095
01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:11.000
done interviewing Mike Reid on the phone, I went to
2096
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.159
my wife and I said, I've been interviewing athletes for
2097
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:15.399
forty some years and I've never had an interview like that.
2098
01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:21.039
He was just so intelligent, so perceptive. I just I
2099
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:23.479
was just stunn by it. And the court Mike Brown
2100
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.399
was very good, he was very cooperative. I didn't realize
2101
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:29.159
that Mike Brown was a very close personal friend of Gregg's.
2102
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.840
And he told me that even today he still feels
2103
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:35.239
and avoid in his life because Greg's not around anymore.
2104
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:38.119
So those are probably the top three interviews. But you know,
2105
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.840
Ken Anderson told me that if Greg Cook hadn't gotten hurt,
2106
01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:43.960
he probably would be teaching high school in Patavia, Illinois,
2107
01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:48.039
because the reason Paul Brown drafted Ken because he didn't
2108
01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:49.720
know if Greg was going to come back that year,
2109
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:52.640
and he had to do something to, you know, make
2110
01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.359
sure he had a quarterback, so he drafted Kenny Anderson.
2111
01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:57.640
That's how he got here. And then when Kenny got here,
2112
01:42:57.680 --> 01:42:59.840
Bill Walsh like broke him down and building back ups
2113
01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:02.880
up by step and essentially made him the great quarterback
2114
01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:04.000
that they thought great Cook.
2115
01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:09.680
Was you cover Greg post football when he was no
2116
01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:10.840
longer able to play.
2117
01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:13.720
And in my experiences and.
2118
01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:18.439
Yours are are larger in number than mine, whenever I've
2119
01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:22.039
been around anybody who knew Greg Cook, there was always
2120
01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:24.640
this instant sadness when they would talk about him. And
2121
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:26.680
I think you'd do a good job in the book
2122
01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:31.640
of kind of covering why it was that your experience
2123
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:35.199
in talking with everybody that there was this just sadness
2124
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:38.279
in talking about why things maybe ended up for Greg.
2125
01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:38.680
The way they did.
2126
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:42.479
Yeah. Absolutely. Greg was, as you may know, as a
2127
01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:45.159
talented artist, and he sold a lot of his works
2128
01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:49.039
around town, but he was never able to let part
2129
01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:51.359
take the place that football had held in his life.
2130
01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:54.279
Because football meant so much to him and so many
2131
01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.840
of his friends. He was very popular. He had a
2132
01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.720
very outgoing personality, and people who knew him well loved
2133
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.319
him and they tried to help him. Mike Brown tried
2134
01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:06.039
to help him in many different ways, financially in other ways,
2135
01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:09.720
but Greg just for some reason he couldn't accept it
2136
01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:13.039
and maybe he was too proud, whatever, but he often
2137
01:44:13.159 --> 01:44:16.119
was homeless and he lived in someone's storage unit for
2138
01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:18.399
a while. He would he would move in with friends
2139
01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:21.079
for a few weeks, and then he would leave early
2140
01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:22.880
in the morning and come back late at night because
2141
01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:25.720
he didn't want to be a bother to anybody. And yeah,
2142
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:27.680
it's a very sad story. I mean, if you're looking
2143
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.880
for an uplifting story, this isn't it, right, But it's
2144
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:34.760
just it's just it's so sad, not only because of
2145
01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.359
what happened to Greg, but what happened to the Bengals
2146
01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:40.840
franchise and what they could have been. He was. He
2147
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:42.880
was their first round drift pick just the second year
2148
01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:46.439
of the franchise's existence. In his first three games they played,
2149
01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:49.119
they were three and zero. He got hurt in the third.
2150
01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:49.960
Game against the Chiefs.
2151
01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:53.319
They still won that game, but then he missed a
2152
01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:55.239
couple of games and they started they started to lose,
2153
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:57.680
Sam Witch was took over for him, or he got hurt,
2154
01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:00.479
so they ended up with a losing record that year.
2155
01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:03.239
But Greg still ended up the AFL Rookie of the
2156
01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:06.960
Year Offensive Rookie of the Year. So think about that.
2157
01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:09.720
He played most of the season with a sore shoulder
2158
01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:12.079
and he couldn't throw the way he used to throw,
2159
01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:15.880
and he still was AFC Offensive Rookie of the Year.
2160
01:45:17.239 --> 01:45:22.079
Yeah, it's incredible, unfinished painting the untold story of Bengal's
2161
01:45:22.159 --> 01:45:26.279
phenom Greg Cook, the author of the book Bill Cook.
2162
01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:27.600
Where can folks find it?
2163
01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:32.279
You can get it on Amazon of course starting Saturday,
2164
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:35.039
hopefully it will be at Jesseph Beeth. You can go
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to an email address we have set up. It's Bkocchbooks
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at gmail dot com and a Facebook page Bill Cookbooks.
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Bill Cookbooks, of which there are many in growing volume.
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And it's always good to have you on when you
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write one, and I look forward to what's next. This
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is really good As somebody who did not grow up
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watching Greg Cook and who did not know a ton
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about him. It might not be the most uplifting thing,
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I'll grant you that, but the stories are still really good,
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really interesting, and in many cases still a lot of fun.
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I appreciate the time. He's always Bill, thanks so much.
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All right, well, thank you.
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That's our guy, Bill Cook, the legendary Cincinnati sports writer
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unfinished painting the untold story of Bengals phenom Greg Cook.
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If you're a Bengals fan.
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If you're a UC fan, if you're just a Cincinnati
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sports fan, this is a terrific read. It is a
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sixteen away from six o'clock. We're a Buffalo Wild Wings
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Harper's point on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati.
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Sports station, Need inspiration Shop.
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Hang on because I have to get you the time
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nine away from six ESPN fifteen thirty.
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You wouldn't not know what time it was if the
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guy in the radio didn't give it. We're a Buffalo
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Wild Wings Harper's point.
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By the way, next Tuesday will be the Middletown location
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hike in a Middletown up by seventy five.
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We are looking forward to that.
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I not spend a lot of time in my life
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in Middletown, so I might make a day of it
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next two day and just spent three hours of Buffalo
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Wild Wings. But really just enjoying myself in the Greater
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Middletown area throughout the late morning and early afternoon and
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perhaps evening as well. For now, we're here at the
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Harper's Point b Dubs. I want to thank the staff here.
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Let's run through a couple of things you may have
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not going to play in that game because the Browns
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traded him to the Bills. The Bengals Eagles game, which
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is Cincinnati's next home game a week from Sunday, the
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twenty seventh, the White Bengal game has been moved to
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a one o'clock kickoff.
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It was a four to twenty five kickoff.
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From what I understand, this game will now reach a
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larger portion of the country than had it been at
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four twenty five, so keep that in mind. Bengals Eagles
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will be a one o'clock kickoff. The Scott Sadderfield Radio
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Show is tonight at eight o'clock.
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That airs on seven hundred WLW.
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I promised we were gonna play some Scott Sanderfield audio
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and then we have run out of time. But the
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good news is he'll be on his radio show tonight,
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so you could listen to one of Scott Saderfield talking
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with Dan Horden Jim Kelly on top of the other guests.
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Usually there's some players, maybe an assistant coach, and so
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you have that. Maybe we'll play some Scott Sanderfield audio tomorrow.
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Who knows, it's still gonna be He's gonna be talking
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about the same stuff. The game coming up on Saturday,
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U see hosting Arizona State Alcs Tonight Game two in
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New York Yankees and the Guardians New York winning game
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won last night Hockey Tonight on Fox Sports thirteen sixty.
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It's the home opener of the for the Columbus Blue
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Jackets as they host Florida, and it's gonna be an
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emotional scene tonight, the first home game regular season home
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game Columbus will have played in the just tragic in
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the wake of the trade circumstances that killed Johnny and
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Matthew control. I saw the Jackets had their dad at
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their morning skate yesterday, so that's going to be an
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emotional scene tonight. You can hear that game on.
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Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We are done.
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Thanks to Rodney Simpson for producing on site, and thanks
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to Tarren Bland for producing Back and Ken. Thanks to
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the staff here at Buffalo Wild Wings, and we'll be
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in Middletown next week. Back in studio tomorrow at three
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h five. Have a great night, Thank you for listening.
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This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati sports station