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I'm guessing that most of the people
watching this podcast on YouTube
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or listening on their favorite podcast
platform adhere to the Christian faith.
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However, I'm not going to assume that
those watchers or listeners have actually
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shared their faith, perhaps even in the
last year,
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and much to the angels' surprise.
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~ it's in this day and age, it can be
awkward or embarrassing or
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Difficult to get over the hump of sharing
your faith and seeing breakthrough
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and impact in people's lives. It's like
Jim Gaffigan,
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the comedian, who says, I don't want to
make anyone feel awkward.
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That's why I'd like to talk to you about
Jesus.
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And we're going to be addressing some of
those questions and difficulties today.
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Today, my good friend Greg Steer,
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he is the founder of Dare to Share
Ministries,
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also the author of numerous books,
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including.
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Radical like Jesus and unlikely fighter.
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And his ministry also started the Life in
Six Words app.
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And Greg, it's great to have you back on
here,
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buddy.
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David, so glad to be a part of this ~
podcast again.
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It's been a while.
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Man, I
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it has been a while. And the last time we
did it was really fun.
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I always I I've never met you in person,
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but I feel like I've known you and were
cut from the same cloth somehow.
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I agree. You know, I mean evangelists run
together,
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bleed together. I mean we're a twitchy
we're a tr twitchy crew and ~
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you can pick out of a crowd. I call
twitchers 'cause you you start talking
about
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sharing the gospel, they're like,
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Let's go.
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Exactly. Hey, that's how you light my
fire.
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~ you start talking to me about not only
sharing your faith,
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but then in the global context,
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you talk about Hudson Taylor,
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C T stud, and that that'll light my fire
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Amen. Amen.
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Yeah. Well, before I jump in, and we did
this before,
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your story, and I certainly want to hear
that again.
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It's been it's been a while, number of
years.
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~ but but but the first thing I want to
ask you about,
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because you're known and the ministry is
known for evangelism,
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sharing your faith boldly, but
contextually,
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and you've actually seen fruit in that.
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~ so my one of my first questions
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is do we sharing the gospel to other
people,
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do we
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treat them as projects, like, okay,
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this is what Jesus called me to do.
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This is the project. I've got to
accomplish it.
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~ and also, number one, do we treat people
like projects when we share the gospel?
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And number two, what about people from
other faiths?
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They're Buddhist, they're Islamic,
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Bene.
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maybe
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they're struggling with gender identity.
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People around us are hurting in all their
unique kind of ways.
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~ how do we genuinely show compassion and
love for people while boldly sharing
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the gospel?
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Yeah, those those are two loaded
questions.
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And I would say the first one,
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obviously we're on a mission. You know,
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I had a n neighbor once, he was like,
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Why are you always trying to convert me?
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I'm like, It's actually my job.
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You know, I said, you know, Jesus said,
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Go and make disciples. He goes,
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Well, that adds context. You can stop.
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And I'm I never stopped. ~ and he finally
came to Christ,
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but not through me. I'm like, What the
heck?
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After all this hard work I was a guy at
the gym.
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~ but he's he's a believer now.
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But you know, they're not project these
are people.
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And when Jesus saw the crowds,
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he saw people in the crowds. And he cared
about them.
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He compassion for them. The Greek word is
splacknisomai.
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It means the deep ~ pain in your very
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So Jesus hurt for people who did not have
that message of hope,
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the gospel of grace. And you know,
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I think the way we approach everybody,
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no matter what they believe, whatever
belief system is,
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we our ultimate goal is we want to see
them in a relationship with Christ.
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To get there, they have to repent.
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Now, I think repent is one of those terms
that oftentimes is messed up.
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Like you hear what is repent? It's turn
100 degree turn from sin.
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It's actually not. That's not what it
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The Greek word is metane eo. It means to
change your mind,
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to perceive differently afterward.
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It's a total shift of thinking.
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And out of that
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you know, hopefully the change of life,
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everything flows. But we're trying to get
them to realize in in Islam,
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right? It's not the the five pillars of
Islam,
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right? It's it's not Muhammad,
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right? That that that you know it is
Jesus.
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You know, you're trying to shift their
thinking from that to this,
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from you know, the eightfold path of
Buddhism to Jesus is the way.
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From the you know millions of gods of
Hinduism to there's one.
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You know, then his his name is Jesus
Christ,
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you know, and he died in your place for
your sins.
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So that repentance, you know,
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what I when you're engaging in a
conversation,
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what you want to do is build a bridge and
not just win an argument.
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So if you're gonna really get somebody to
think about repenting,
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shifting their entire worldview,
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and then potentially, you know,
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losing family or getting persecuted
depending on what country and context you
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you know
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You have to build a bridge. We're we have
to play chess,
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not checkers. And and what I mean by that
is so many times we just
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try to argue the argue somebody in,
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you know, and and if we win the argument,
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we feel better about ourselves.
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But the goal is not to win the argument.
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The goal goal is to win the soul.
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You know, eight different times in the
Greek,
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in the New Testament, the gr the Greek
word pytheo is used ~
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in it means persuade.
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And it doesn't mean use curse salesman
persuade,
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it means to gently win somebody over.
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And so I I really feel like we have to
love people.
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I've been in Islamic cultures,
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Buddhist cultures, Hindu cultures,
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all all sorts of different belief systems.
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When you love people and you care about
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and you really genuinely care,
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walls tend to come down.
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And then you can have a real conversation.
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So when we train teenagers,
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because that's what we do around the
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train teenagers how to share the gospel.
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We train adults too, but teenagers is our
bullseye.
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We use three simple words ask,
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admire, admit. Ask good questions,
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get to know them, find out what they
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admire what you can, find common ground,
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like Paul did in Acts 17 with the men of
the Areopagus.
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You I see you're very religious people,
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even of an altar to an unknown God.
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And then admit, admit the reason you're a
Christian is you're desperately needed
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a savior. Tell your story and then tell
God's story.
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And and then you're in a conversation that
may maybe they're not ready
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to repent and shift their way of thinking
and believe in Christ.
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Maybe they are, you know. ~ but let's
let's do
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our best to g give their conversion our
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And you do that by loving people.
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And speaking the truth. I mean,
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you we have to speak the truth.
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We can't we can't soft pedal sin or hell
or anything like that,
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but in the midst of a conversation rather
than just a presentation.
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w it sounds to me like you would err on
the side of grace,
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relationship, connection with someone,
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rather than shoving the four spiritual
laws down their throat.
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~ maybe you know, I I've been outside of
America for the last twenty-eight years.
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And so my mindset has shifted away from a
right,
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wrong, guilt, innocence culture,
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which the West very much is in the
judicial system in many ways.
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To a different culture, which in my case
is an honor shame or fear power culture.
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Those are the three kinds of cultures,
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right? Guilt innocence, honor,
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shame, fear, power. And so bringing the
four spiritual laws in Thailand,
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for example, where I'm at, ~ man,
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it's it's a it's an uphill battle.
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It's not the quickest bridge to
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connect with someone. Would you say you
would err more so on the side
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of grace and relationship rather than,
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like you just said a moment ago,
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winning the argument?
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Yeah, I I think you what I would say I
would I I start with the lamb and
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I end with the lion. And ~ you know,
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George Whitfield used to say, used to
pray,
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~ Lord give me the mixture of the lion and
the lamb and and I feel like when
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you start with a lion, you never get to
the lamb because you your roar scares
people
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away. And so, you know, Jesus met the
woman at the well,
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you know, and broke through all sorts of
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Cultural, gender, religious barriers by
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She was shocked that he was talking to her
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That was a that was actually an act of
extreme love.
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Like it was shocking to her. You know.
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But then he did say,
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You're right, you don't have a husband.
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You've had five husbands, and the dude
you're shacking up with now
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is not your husband. I mean, he called
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What version is that exactly?
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he, yeah.
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It's John Four or something or other.
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you know, I feel like I feel like ~ you
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he did not lead with that. He l he led
with with love.
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And sometimes, you know, with the
religious people they actually led with a
lion,
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you know.
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kind of shake them and break them.
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conversations,
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you know, when I'm in doing, you know,
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traveling in taxis or Ubers around the
world,
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I learned this from my buddy, you know,
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our mutual friend Dave Gibson,
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you know, spend the first half asking them
about their family and their lives
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and what they do and, you know,
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how long they've been driving and show
genuine concern and find out what they
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you know where they're at spiritually.
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That second half, then you can lean in.
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So you start with the lamb, and then you,
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you know, and again, you I you don't I
don't avoid sin.
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I don't avoid God's judgment, I don't
avoid shame,
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I don't avoid any of that stuff.
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But I it's like it's that that old Mary
Poppins song,
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you know, a spoonful of sugar helps the
medicine go down.
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And we just don't we don't lead with that.
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I I see the guy standing on the corner
here in the United States yelling repent.
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I go up to him a lot of times.
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I'm like, yo.
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How's it going? How many people have you
led to Christ through this strategy?
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Well, no, I'm getting persecuted for
sharing my faith.
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Actually, you're not. You're getting
persecuted for how you're sharing your
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You know? So yeah.
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maybe throughout history, there's been
different eras and times and seasons of
God.
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You look at 1741 was a little bit
different than 2026 when Jonathan Edwards
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out with his sinners in the hands of an
angry God,
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you know, and it, you know,
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wildfire flows throughout ~ the Western
world and people's lives
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are turned upside down. Today,
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that message of
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If Greg Steer had a message called Sinners
in the Hands of an Angry God,
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how would your listeners feel about that?
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Well, I I think some of it depends on the
listeners,
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'cause he actually was reading that to his
church by candlelight,
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monotone. And I think what sparked the
revival is because there was a
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lot of people that thought they were
Christians in the church that really
weren't.
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So I feel like contextually, you know,
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if he went to the coal mine, coal mines in
the area and preached that,
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you know, he could get, you know,
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pummeled with, you know, stones or coal.
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~ but yeah, I think to the church
sometimes,
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you know, sometimes you gotta
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break that sort of stuff out. But to the
unbeliever,
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you know, grace to the unbeliever and ~
you know,
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I I think the standard raises high for
once you're once you're a believer,
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now now start living that grace out,
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you know.
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Well,
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you must have been one of those people
then who experienced a robust version
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of the gospel rather than an anemic one,
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because the gospel that Jesus brought
that's transformative,
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that reveals redemption, that transforms a
life,
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~ brings a certain gospel privilege into
your life that you can't help
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but like tell others. You talk about the
Samaritan woman,
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what does she do immediately? Runs back
and becomes the evangelist
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of her entire city. And
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So is this what happened in your life?
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How did you first hear the gospel?
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~ yeah.
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Totally. ~ you know,
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I I my family were, you know, criminals.
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I mean, I was I was raised in a family of
three my uncles
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of competitive bodybuilders. The fourth
one was a bouncer at the toughest
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bar in Denver. The fifth one was a golden
glows boxer,
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judo champion, war hero. They were known
by the mafia in our city
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as the crazy brothers. My mom was a
partier.
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She was like the woman at the well with
the baseball bat.
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She she brawled with
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you know, ~ I mean gang fights.
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I mean, my family was insane. I was like
young Sheldon in the hood.
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I was a terrified, nerdy little kid,
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wondered how in the world. Never knew my
biological father because I was
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a result of one night stand. Mom almost
aborted me.
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So it was this crazy family. And two
things happened.
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For me, my grandparents who were Baptist
took me to Bethany Baptist Church.
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And I was confused by the gospel because
they would always say,
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Let Jesus in your heart. And I would say,
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I have no idea what that means.
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Like, come come into my heart,
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Jesus. Are you there? Knock three times on
my pancreas if you made it.
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You know, let me know. I thought if I
cough too hard,
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I literally thought this. Jesus would go
flying out.
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I mean, I was and then they said
confession.
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You sound like it's like someone
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What's that?
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saying bless you when you sneeze,
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right?
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, yeah,
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no, y I mean I was that
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Vulnerable.
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O s I was O C D, like, ~ when it came to
that.
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And then he said, Confess your sins to
God.
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And so I thought I would confess my sins
and my heart to God and then
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I would curse in my mind, I'd confess
that,
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and it was just a spy I was spiraling.
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And finally I I told my grandpa,
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I said, Well, I guess I should be baptized
and I walked the aisle
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to get baptized and Pastor Claude Pettit
said,
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Before you get baptized, you have to be a
Christian.
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And that means you believe that Jesus died
in your place for your sins on the cross,
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that he rose from the dead, and that by
faith in him you have eternal life
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and eternal hope. Not by your good deeds.
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And he goes, Have you done that?
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Well, in my mind, it clicked for the first
time.
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I'm like, in my mind, I just said,
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Lord, I trust in you. I go, Yes.
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And for the first time, I understood the
gospel.
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And then it was that I wanted to tell
everybody.
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Meanwhile,
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A hillbilly preacher nicknamed Yankee
planted a church in the suburbs and
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on a dare reached my toughest uncle,
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my uncle Jack, who looks like the
Wolverine,
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and who went to jail for choking two cops
out at the same time.
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Went to his house on a Saturday morning,
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said, I'm here on a dare from Bob Daly to
tell you about Jesus.
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My Uncle Jack talk like this. He goes,
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Well, I don't know Jesus. I know Bob.
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I'll give you five minutes. And he
explained the gospel and used
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a simple illustration.
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Pretend like this is sin, pretend this is
God.
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God created us to be with him,
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he loves us, but we sin. And that sin
separates us from God and it breaks his
heart,
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you know. And these sins cannot be removed
by good deeds.
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It's like they're glued to us.
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So God sent his son, lived a perfect life,
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paying the price for sin. Jesus died,
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rose again. Everyone who trusts in him
alone has eternal life,
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and that life starts now and lasts
forever.
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And my Uncle Jack heard that message.
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And Yankee goes, Does that make sense?
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He goes, Hell yeah. That was a sinner's
prayer was hell yeah.
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He trusted Christ. And it began a a domino
effect.
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One by one, my Uncle Bob fully came to
Christ in the back of a squad
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car after he beat a guy to death.
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My uncle Dave came to Christ. My Uncle
Richard came to Christ.
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I mean, a whole family ended up coming to
Christ.
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And they couldn't keep it to themselves.
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They had to tell it's like what you said.
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That grace. You know, my my Uncle Jack
literally walked into a Mormon church
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on Sunday morning.
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Went to the newcomer's Sunday school
class,
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stood up to give his testimony.
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They thought he was a new Mormon.
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He gave the gospel, he gave an invitation.
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I mean, eighteen of the twenty-five new
Mormons raised their hand to
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say yes to Jesus. I mean it was they had
to tell everybody,
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you know. And it's the difference.
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Here's I keep these I have a little ladder
and a little chair I keep
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on my bookshelf.
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love your
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illustrations by the way. You're always
given
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good.
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these very visual takeaways that people
can connect with.
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And I think that's why you've simplified
sharing the gospel.
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Sorry to interrupt you.
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Well,
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that's because I'm a simple I'm a simple
guy and I work with teenagers,
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so you have to keep it simple.
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~ the ladder versus the chair.
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Every world religion is a ladder.
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The five pillars of Islam, the you know,
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seven sacraments of Catholicism,
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the eightfold path of Buddhism,
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the you can go on and on and on,
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right? Ten Ten Commandments of Judaism.
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Only Christianity is a chair where you
don't climb,
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you rest on what Jesus did. You put your
full weight on Christ.
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Based on his finished work on the cross
and resurrection from the dead,
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and that simplicity that sounds too good
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to be true has to be told,
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has to be shared. This is a the ladder is
a bummer.
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Because you always fall short.
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It's like the ladder lasts forever,
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you know, it's it's five thousand feet
high and we have no spiritual limbs.
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This, man, it's good news,
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it's the gospel.
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And so I think that's that's what,
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you know, motivated me. That's what
motivates my family.
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That's the motivation we have when we
train teenagers with dare to share
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all over the world. It's it's good news.
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Share it.
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You know, I
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know.
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live in a Buddhist culture. I spent
fifteen years in
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Mm.
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China, ~ which is a very secular and
atheistic culture,
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somewhat default to Buddhism, although
that's completely untrue,
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except in some cultural settings.
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but Thailand has this backdrop of
Theravada Buddhism,
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which is supposedly as close to Prince
Siddhartha,
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the original Buddha's clearest ~ form of
of Buddhism.
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And in this context, there is constantly
this drive and this pursuit
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of correcting people's karma. They call it
gam.
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Mm.
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Gam is karma in Thai. And so this
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Mm, mm.
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endless striving of not knowing where your
social score with God is,
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if you're doing good, how much percent did
you go up compared to if you
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did bad and what is bad? And there's
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Hm, mm.
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no absolutes. And it's a ongoing battle
that you'll go to seek counsel from
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the monks and pray for luck and pray for.
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And it it it's just such a a battle.
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And in some ways, do you think many
Christians might be doing this through
whether
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it be good works or you know, s many
different that we're we're not resting
fully
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on that chair, which is the full work of
Christ.
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We're constantly striving and striving in
our own strength.
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I I really do. I think that's a beautiful
~ parallel is we
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we embrace the latter. Like we often are
like we don't we don't know for you know,
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I find a lot of Christians that don't have
confidence in their salvation.
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Like they're nervous that they did
something that's gonna break that
relationship.
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And I think it leads to ~ either legalism
or hedonism,
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you know. ~
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And I've s I've seen it like the freedom
when people understand
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~ man that they've been born again into
the family of God.
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They're a child of God. You know,
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when they were building the Golden Gate
Bridge,
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~ you know, obviously nervous about people
falling and dying,
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so they constructed a net ~ part way
through,
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and ~ not only did you know nobody die as
a result.
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because if they fell, they fell into the
net because this is,
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you know, this huge bridge that,
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you know, it's people to to this day,
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you know, will try to commit suicide by
jumping off of it.
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Once that net was constructed,
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they produced twenty-five percent faster
work.
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~ the workers,
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because they had confidence that even if
they fall,
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they'd be caught. And I really think this
relationship with God.
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~ the the salvation that we have it's not
a license to sin it's a reason
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to serve it's like why would we not go all
in and serve Christ we have holy humble
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swagger because we have been saved by
faith alone through grace alone Jesus
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did the work he said it is finished and
that makes me want to run jump
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up grab my cross and joyfully like there's
a lot of Christians are like well
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if you're really saved you got to prove
that salvation and
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You're not picking up your cross daily.
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I'm like, man, I need to be a kid raised
in your house.
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Like, we don't treat our kids like that.
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You're not really my kid. If you don't
live by the family code,
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you know, I don't even know if you're
you're you've been born into our family.
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You mean you know, I mean like what the
heck?
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What a miserable Christian life,
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you know. ~ I mean what a miserable
miserable life being raised in
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a family like that. Well, we have a
father.
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It's not, you know, like again,
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I don't take sin lightly if there's sin in
the camp.
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We gotta deal with that stuff.
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you know, head on, I'm way harder on
Christians who are living in sin than
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I am an unbeliever, you know. ~ but
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we are saved by faith alone in Christ
alone,
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~ through grace alone. And I will preach
that even if I stand alone.
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The best news ever. Best news ever.
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Sounds
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like you need to start a podcast called ~
Commit to the Seat or something like that.
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Ditch the ladder. I don't know what it's
called.
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Or yeah, or maybe it's called
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So the ladder. That's right. Burn the
ladder.
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Holy Humble Swagger. I kind of like that.
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I'm getting this visual
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There you go.
475
00:23:06,654 --> 00:23:08,967
of you walking around with holy humble
swagger.
476
00:23:08,967 --> 00:23:09,967
I like it.
477
00:23:09,724 --> 00:23:10,724
Ha ha
478
00:23:11,369 --> 00:23:15,592
so for you, you ~ your whole family gets
saved.
479
00:23:15,592 --> 00:23:18,165
This is a I mean, it sounds crazy.
480
00:23:18,597 --> 00:23:23,134
Neighbors were probably like, what in the
world was happening in your family?
481
00:23:23,134 --> 00:23:28,561
Was there a defining moment? What's the
story that took you from that moment
482
00:23:28,942 --> 00:23:33,869
and you knew you realized your life is
going to be dedicated to sharing
483
00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:35,031
the gospel with others?
484
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,841
So yeah, that's a really good,
485
00:23:37,841 --> 00:23:41,032
you know. I I think I knew from the time I
was in middle school something
486
00:23:41,032 --> 00:23:45,804
was churning, like okay, ~ but when I was
fifteen,
487
00:23:45,804 --> 00:23:49,346
I think this was what secured it for sure.
488
00:23:49,346 --> 00:23:52,347
my grandpa died.
489
00:23:52,347 --> 00:23:58,450
And my uncles, four of the five of them
were saved,
490
00:23:58,450 --> 00:24:03,802
right? Came to me at the hospital.
491
00:24:05,722 --> 00:24:07,813
in the waiting room and said, Hey,
492
00:24:07,813 --> 00:24:14,037
we want you to give the gospel and do the
sermon at dad's funeral.
493
00:24:14,037 --> 00:24:17,829
And I'm like, hey, I'm I'm fifteen guys.
494
00:24:17,829 --> 00:24:21,261
I'm a I'm a teenager.
495
00:24:21,261 --> 00:24:24,483
Get get a professional. And they're like,
496
00:24:24,483 --> 00:24:27,845
well, two things, you know, we're not
asking you.
497
00:24:27,845 --> 00:24:31,267
You know, I mean these guys are jacked.
498
00:24:31,267 --> 00:24:33,318
We're not asking you.
499
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:35,169
And and the second thing is, what are you,
500
00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:36,600
a chicken? And I'm like, I'm not a
chicken,
501
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,431
I'll do it. So I preached my grandpa's
funeral.
502
00:24:40,431 --> 00:24:41,701
The reason they wanted me to preach,
503
00:24:41,701 --> 00:24:43,382
because my Uncle Richard would be in the
audience.
504
00:24:43,382 --> 00:24:47,513
He lives in Phoenix. Our family lived in
Denver.
505
00:24:47,513 --> 00:24:50,574
And they wanted him to come to Christ.
506
00:24:50,574 --> 00:24:53,615
And they knew I'd give the gospel clearly,
507
00:24:53,615 --> 00:24:58,356
right? So I when I preach
508
00:24:58,618 --> 00:25:00,499
I got finished and I did the invitation.
509
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,350
Many people came to Christ. My Uncle
Richard didn't.
510
00:25:02,350 --> 00:25:05,941
He did twelve years later in a church I
was pastoring at the time,
511
00:25:04,693 --> 00:25:08,162
some wow. Took some time for him,
512
00:25:05,941 --> 00:25:08,272
so praise the Lord for that. But in that
513
00:25:08,162 --> 00:25:09,162
huh?
514
00:25:08,272 --> 00:25:13,835
moment, in that moment, I felt like this
515
00:25:14,308 --> 00:25:16,296
I am called to preach the gospel.
516
00:25:16,296 --> 00:25:18,907
Like I felt it. Like it wasn't a project,
517
00:25:18,907 --> 00:25:20,808
it wasn't a homework assignment.
518
00:25:20,808 --> 00:25:24,039
It was like this is what I'm gonna do for
the rest my life.
519
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:25,160
So
520
00:25:26,293 --> 00:25:29,184
Dude, that that sounds like a very
defining moment.
521
00:25:29,184 --> 00:25:33,586
And there's something about ~ may maybe
the reason why I feel this sense
522
00:25:33,586 --> 00:25:37,408
of affinity with you and the things that
you're doing in Dare to Share Ministries,
523
00:25:37,408 --> 00:25:39,929
though I've never met you face to face,
524
00:25:39,929 --> 00:25:44,597
I was mentored by a guy in China who
sounds very much like your uncle's.
525
00:25:44,597 --> 00:25:45,951
His name was Chuck Lenhart.
526
00:25:45,512 --> 00:25:46,512
Mm.
527
00:25:45,991 --> 00:25:48,502
Passed away a couple of months ago.
528
00:25:48,502 --> 00:25:52,524
Well, November last year in 2025.
529
00:25:52,524 --> 00:25:54,155
And I went I flew back for his
530
00:25:54,899 --> 00:25:57,019
Celebration of life. And he I mean,
531
00:25:57,019 --> 00:26:00,171
he transformed my life in my early days in
China when I was
532
00:26:00,171 --> 00:26:01,782
a young independent missionary.
533
00:26:01,782 --> 00:26:03,853
And he sounded like your uncle's.
534
00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:05,194
Hey Dave, we're going to the village.
535
00:26:05,194 --> 00:26:07,775
You better saddle up, buddy. And we'd be
playing,
536
00:26:07,274 --> 00:26:08,274
Yeah.
537
00:26:07,775 --> 00:26:11,657
you know, Take This Train Out of the City
by Leonard Skinnard on the way down
538
00:26:11,657 --> 00:26:13,007
to an unreached people group.
539
00:26:12,272 --> 00:26:13,272
Yeah, there you go.
540
00:26:14,088 --> 00:26:17,849
And ~ Petra, this means war. So John
541
00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:18,170
Mm.
542
00:26:17,849 --> 00:26:20,341
Schlit traveling with us to these
unreached people groups.
543
00:26:20,341 --> 00:26:21,341
And so it was.
544
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,521
But he never told he never asked me,
545
00:26:23,521 --> 00:26:25,412
Hey, is it okay if we go to no,
546
00:26:25,412 --> 00:26:28,273
no, no. I it was expected. This is what
you're gonna do and you
547
00:26:27,944 --> 00:26:28,944
Yeah.
548
00:26:28,273 --> 00:26:33,285
better get her done. And I I feel like
sometimes ~ man,
549
00:26:33,285 --> 00:26:39,628
young people especially appreciate ~ a
mentor sewing into their lives like that.
550
00:26:39,628 --> 00:26:42,289
And it sounds like that happened with you.
551
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:46,271
And then later, obviously, the formation
of the ministry God gave you.
552
00:26:47,847 --> 00:26:51,160
Totally. ~ you know, I f I feel like ~ you
know,
553
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,692
we need to be those mentors, first of all
to our kids.
554
00:26:53,692 --> 00:26:59,167
You know, I mean b both my k adult
children now you know,
555
00:26:59,167 --> 00:27:00,458
they actively share their faith.
556
00:27:00,458 --> 00:27:04,732
And it's not primarily because they went
to Dare to share events growing up,
557
00:27:04,732 --> 00:27:08,825
they did and they went out and it's
because we did that as a family everywhere
558
00:27:08,825 --> 00:27:12,188
and you know, we I coached them and
encouraged them and challenged them
559
00:27:12,188 --> 00:27:15,331
and you know, we I would start a
conversation that would
560
00:27:15,565 --> 00:27:16,836
have them finish it. You know,
561
00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:18,686
it was evangelism was a family sport.
562
00:27:18,686 --> 00:27:20,987
It wasn't it wasn't just for dad.
563
00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:24,239
And ~ and you know,
564
00:27:24,239 --> 00:27:25,739
both of them to this day, you know,
565
00:27:25,739 --> 00:27:27,820
bold witnesses for the Lord Jesus Christ.
566
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:31,952
And my wife is more lamb and I'm more
lion.
567
00:27:31,952 --> 00:27:33,782
And so it worked together as a family,
568
00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:39,965
~ just perfectly, you know. ~ so I just
think it's important we model that.
569
00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:42,086
And and I think also breaking down
strongholds,
570
00:27:42,086 --> 00:27:43,841
like some of your listeners maybe think,
571
00:27:43,841 --> 00:27:44,841
well that's for
572
00:27:45,433 --> 00:27:48,464
Evangelism is for our pastor. It's for you
know,
573
00:27:48,464 --> 00:27:52,905
David, it's for Greg, it's for it's for
people like that are you know,
574
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:54,316
the cut from the Billy Graham cloth.
575
00:27:54,316 --> 00:27:56,936
And I think ev evangelism is for everyone.
576
00:27:56,936 --> 00:28:00,307
I'm working on a new book called Out Loud
with Words,
577
00:28:00,307 --> 00:28:03,118
How to Naturally Share the Gospel with
Anyone,
578
00:28:03,118 --> 00:28:06,369
Anywhere, Anytime. Because, you know,
579
00:28:06,369 --> 00:28:09,270
I feel like we tend to hide behind well,
580
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:13,201
I'll just live the gospel. If necessary
I'll use words and I'm like,
581
00:28:13,721 --> 00:28:15,334
It's always necessary to use words.
582
00:28:15,334 --> 00:28:16,716
It's like two wings on a plane.
583
00:28:16,716 --> 00:28:19,440
You don't want you don't want to fly in a
one wing plane,
584
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,515
right? You have to live it and you have to
give it.
585
00:28:22,515 --> 00:28:25,771
~ out loud with words. And
586
00:28:25,406 --> 00:28:26,406
I he
587
00:28:25,856 --> 00:28:29,828
I immediately hear the nod to say
Augustine and the default of
588
00:28:29,828 --> 00:28:32,599
so many Christians who butchered his
original statement,
589
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,320
right? Preach the gospel at all times and
when necessary,
590
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,281
use words when we default to that.
591
00:28:38,281 --> 00:28:41,742
And I'm just gonna pay it forward by
paying for the guy's Starbucks behind
592
00:28:41,742 --> 00:28:43,362
me and hopefully he'll find Jesus.
593
00:28:43,362 --> 00:28:45,073
Doesn't sound like that's the book you're
writing.
594
00:28:46,265 --> 00:28:48,686
No, no, I I I I've adjusted that quote.
595
00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:51,357
Preach the gospel, ~ it's necessary,
596
00:28:51,357 --> 00:28:55,659
use words. And ~ we did Yankee,
597
00:28:55,659 --> 00:28:57,520
the Hillbilly preacher to reach my family,
598
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,661
he used to always say this, he's like,
599
00:28:59,661 --> 00:29:02,972
Well, I believe in doing good for people,
600
00:29:02,972 --> 00:29:07,514
but God didn't put us on this earth to
make it a better place to go to hell from.
601
00:29:07,514 --> 00:29:11,426
And I'm like, Whoa, man. I was lying,
602
00:29:11,426 --> 00:29:13,267
but it's true. Honestly.
603
00:29:14,021 --> 00:29:15,592
You know, I was raised in a poor family.
604
00:29:15,592 --> 00:29:18,713
I was raised in trailer courts and
apartment complexes by a single
605
00:29:18,713 --> 00:29:20,874
mom who qualified for government,
606
00:29:20,874 --> 00:29:22,775
you know, assistance and didn't take it.
607
00:29:22,775 --> 00:29:25,036
She was too proud. We struggled.
608
00:29:25,036 --> 00:29:30,358
Struggled. Once I heard the gospel and
believed it,
609
00:29:30,358 --> 00:29:33,059
I felt like the richest kid in the world.
610
00:29:33,059 --> 00:29:37,101
And that's what I think a lot of people
don't realize about poverty.
611
00:29:37,101 --> 00:29:39,692
Poverty is not just the absence of money.
612
00:29:39,692 --> 00:29:41,453
It's primarily the absence of hope.
613
00:29:42,963 --> 00:29:47,345
And when you have that hope, I'll say some
of the kids in the developing
614
00:29:48,045 --> 00:29:53,107
you know countries that I go to that know
Christ are so full of joy,
615
00:29:53,107 --> 00:29:56,049
and they may have one meal a day,
616
00:29:56,049 --> 00:30:00,490
you know, but they're so full of joy
because they have the richness of Christ.
617
00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:04,532
And yeah, we need to feed, I'm not we need
to feed the poor and help
618
00:30:04,532 --> 00:30:06,853
the hurting and all that, you know,
619
00:30:06,853 --> 00:30:10,665
as believers in Christ. Jesus had a
healing ministry and we need to be
healing,
620
00:30:10,665 --> 00:30:11,665
we need a prayer.
621
00:30:11,527 --> 00:30:13,388
Prayer, care, and share, right?
622
00:30:13,458 --> 00:30:14,458
Mm. Yeah.
623
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:16,290
But if we don't share the gospel with
them,
624
00:30:16,290 --> 00:30:22,424
my goodness, it's like having a cure to
cancer and going seeing your best friend
625
00:30:22,424 --> 00:30:26,807
who's got cancer at the hospital and
fluffing their pillow and giving them
626
00:30:26,807 --> 00:30:31,413
a drink of water and changing the channel
for them and then leaving the room.
627
00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:34,461
I'm like, well, give them the cure.
628
00:30:34,461 --> 00:30:35,712
Do all that other
629
00:30:34,942 --> 00:30:35,942
Exactly.
630
00:30:35,712 --> 00:30:37,933
stuff, but give them the cure.
631
00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:39,504
Amen
632
00:30:38,984 --> 00:30:42,856
to that. When you shared a second ago
about a family sport,
633
00:30:42,856 --> 00:30:45,877
you called it. Sounds like there's some
competitions about sharing
634
00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:48,448
the gospel around there. ~ you know,
635
00:30:48,448 --> 00:30:53,870
my my daughter, ~ last year we went from
Thailand back to the States
636
00:30:54,429 --> 00:30:57,831
and we're visiting family. She was seven
years old at the time,
637
00:30:57,831 --> 00:31:01,753
and ~ she joined her forever family,
638
00:31:01,753 --> 00:31:07,635
my youngest ~ at age two when we brought
her home and adopted her into our family.
639
00:31:08,263 --> 00:31:10,904
And I've just watched this little life
transform.
640
00:31:10,904 --> 00:31:17,108
And she is so somehow the gospel has
transformed her at a very young age.
641
00:31:17,108 --> 00:31:20,209
Perhaps it's because of trauma and her
understanding of her identity
642
00:31:20,209 --> 00:31:22,181
and her history. I'm not sure what it
643
00:31:21,809 --> 00:31:22,809
Sure.
644
00:31:22,181 --> 00:31:27,673
is. But somehow the gospel has formed so
very clearly and is so beautiful.
645
00:31:27,673 --> 00:31:31,315
We went to a Forest Frank concert with a
couple other friends.
646
00:31:31,315 --> 00:31:34,467
And before that, we met up at this Thai
restaurant.
647
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:36,438
Well, my daughters can't live without
rice,
648
00:31:36,438 --> 00:31:37,779
and we're in America, so we're
649
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:38,919
You
650
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:40,461
know, looking everywhere trying to find
this Thai restaurant.
651
00:31:40,461 --> 00:31:46,015
She's Thai. And so we go. And the girl
that was serving us was from Chiang Mai,
652
00:31:46,015 --> 00:31:50,129
Thailand. In fact, like just around the
corner from our house here where
653
00:31:50,129 --> 00:31:52,181
I am right now. And my youngest,
654
00:31:52,181 --> 00:31:54,373
she's seven years old. She's she's like,
655
00:31:54,373 --> 00:31:55,844
my gosh, she's from Chiang Mai.
656
00:31:55,844 --> 00:31:58,347
I'm from Chiang Mai. And then she just
starts talking.
657
00:31:58,347 --> 00:32:02,759
Hey, do you have a Bible? This she's the
waitress at the restaurant.
658
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,362
No, what's a Bible? You don't know what a
Bible is.
659
00:32:05,362 --> 00:32:06,903
This is the story of Jesus.
660
00:32:07,435 --> 00:32:12,418
Do you know Jesus? And she's just having
this very simplistic and
661
00:32:12,418 --> 00:32:17,881
yet very innocent and lovely ~ time of
sharing the gospel with this girl.
662
00:32:17,881 --> 00:32:22,823
And in the end, we we prayed for her and
she didn't accept the Lord,
663
00:32:22,823 --> 00:32:25,205
but there was this clear gospel
presentation,
664
00:32:25,205 --> 00:32:27,216
perhaps for the first time in her life,
665
00:32:27,216 --> 00:32:30,067
as Thailand is less than one percent
Christian.
666
00:32:30,067 --> 00:32:31,067
~
667
00:32:30,107 --> 00:32:31,107
Mm, mm.
668
00:32:31,608 --> 00:32:36,841
I love those stories of of young kids
stepping out of their comfort zones.
669
00:32:37,228 --> 00:32:40,860
Can you tell me a story of of one of these
moments where either you share
670
00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:43,712
the gospel to a young person or a young
person shared it to someone else?
671
00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:48,245
Some transformative story that actually
worked and impacted someone's life.
672
00:32:49,636 --> 00:32:51,928
I mean, I got lots of stories about
teenagers,
673
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:54,169
you know, we've been doing this for thirty
five years.
674
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:58,612
I tell you what ~ one of the most
impacting for me was my son when he was
five.
675
00:32:58,612 --> 00:33:03,776
~ it was after church and we were I
676
00:33:03,776 --> 00:33:08,169
was going to the store to get some snacks
to watch the Denver Broncos play
677
00:33:08,169 --> 00:33:12,061
and I was in kind of in a hurry and ~ and
I'm running down,
678
00:33:12,061 --> 00:33:15,754
you know, the aisles. I go to the bottled
water and juice aisle and my
679
00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:18,766
son goes well the lady who was there who
looked
680
00:33:18,928 --> 00:33:22,450
discombobulated, hair is all matted and
she goes,
681
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:25,031
Sir, can you help me read the price tags
on the bottle water?
682
00:33:25,031 --> 00:33:29,264
'Cause I lost my glasses and so I helped
her and I'm not even thinking about
683
00:33:29,264 --> 00:33:32,585
evangelizing, honestly. I just want to get
out of there.
684
00:33:32,585 --> 00:33:35,427
And so she goes, Yeah, I'm just a mess.
685
00:33:35,427 --> 00:33:37,648
And you know, you know you start talking,
686
00:33:37,648 --> 00:33:39,029
you you know they want to talk.
687
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:41,258
And you're in a hurry. And you're like,
688
00:33:41,258 --> 00:33:43,681
~ yeah. I I go, why? And she says,
689
00:33:43,681 --> 00:33:48,194
I I lost my glasses and and I'm
discombobulated because my dog died.
690
00:33:49,646 --> 00:33:51,352
And you know, I can't leave now.
691
00:33:51,352 --> 00:33:53,931
I mean, if it was her cat, I would just
been like good luck,
692
00:33:53,931 --> 00:33:55,546
life's hard, but it was her dog.
693
00:33:55,546 --> 00:33:56,546
So
694
00:33:55,603 --> 00:33:56,603
Okay, you're obviously
695
00:33:56,575 --> 00:33:58,535
a dog guy, not a cat guy. Got it.
696
00:33:58,820 --> 00:34:03,191
I have a dog guy. And so he so she goes,
697
00:34:03,191 --> 00:34:05,652
Yeah, my I had a one year old great dane
puppy that ran out in the middle
698
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:07,072
of the street, got hit by a car.
699
00:34:07,072 --> 00:34:09,353
And then she starts tearing up.
700
00:34:09,353 --> 00:34:12,284
And I'm like, no, please don't cry.
701
00:34:12,284 --> 00:34:13,284
I'm thinking, please don't cry,
702
00:34:13,274 --> 00:34:14,694
lady, please don't cry. You know,
703
00:34:14,694 --> 00:34:17,155
I'm not good around crying. It's like
they're on fire.
704
00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:19,336
I'm like, stop drop and roll, please don't
cry,
705
00:34:19,336 --> 00:34:22,887
you know. And my son, who's five,
706
00:34:22,887 --> 00:34:25,757
he goes, That's okay, lady. Your dog's in
doggy heaven,
707
00:34:25,757 --> 00:34:27,028
and you can go to heaven too. Dad,
708
00:34:27,028 --> 00:34:28,028
tell her the gospel.
709
00:34:29,173 --> 00:34:30,227
Set you up. Good.
710
00:34:29,977 --> 00:34:30,977
And
711
00:34:30,867 --> 00:34:33,208
I'm like, you tell her the gospel.
712
00:34:33,208 --> 00:34:37,869
Cause I trained him a ~ when he was five
in this thing called the gospel hand.
713
00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:39,798
So he holds up his hand, he goes,
714
00:34:39,798 --> 00:34:42,530
God loves me, I have sinned, Christ died
for me.
715
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:45,001
If I believe, I will go to heaven.
716
00:34:45,001 --> 00:34:46,381
He goes, Lady, if you believe in Jesus,
717
00:34:46,381 --> 00:34:47,552
you go to heaven with your dog.
718
00:34:47,552 --> 00:34:50,712
And she starts crying. She goes,
719
00:34:50,712 --> 00:34:55,884
I'm so mad at God, she goes, I had lost my
dog in a traffic in traffic.
720
00:34:55,884 --> 00:34:56,884
Then
721
00:34:56,746 --> 00:35:01,170
I and I bought that dog to cover me in my
grief because I had lost my son to cancer.
722
00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:03,952
I'm so mad at God. She's screaming.
723
00:35:03,952 --> 00:35:06,374
Everybody's looking at the meltdown in
Isle 9.
724
00:35:06,374 --> 00:35:10,057
But now I'm in, right? And I'm locked in.
725
00:35:10,057 --> 00:35:12,610
And my son and I mean he won't shut up.
726
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:14,851
He's like, God loves me. I have to go back
it off,
727
00:35:14,851 --> 00:35:16,283
boy. This is what dad gets paid to do.
728
00:35:16,283 --> 00:35:18,875
And we're both she ends up collapsing her
arms,
729
00:35:18,875 --> 00:35:22,628
crying. We prayed right there in the
King's I mean the King Supers grocery
store
730
00:35:22,828 --> 00:35:24,666
just up the street here. And
731
00:35:25,176 --> 00:35:26,232
invited her out to our church.
732
00:35:26,232 --> 00:35:29,009
It was one of those moments where
733
00:35:31,842 --> 00:35:35,981
My son saw her.
734
00:35:38,276 --> 00:35:41,580
You know, what I what I thought was gonna
be a distraction and hold me back
735
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:46,015
and he saw her and he knew what was most
important.
736
00:35:46,015 --> 00:35:52,312
And it just, you know, remind I always
think about that story and I was like,
737
00:35:52,312 --> 00:35:53,703
Man, I don't wanna pass people by.
738
00:35:53,703 --> 00:35:56,006
You know, and
739
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:56,345
Stopping stop
740
00:35:56,365 --> 00:35:58,257
stopping for the ones like Jesus did.
741
00:35:58,257 --> 00:36:00,580
The Lazarus ~
742
00:35:59,568 --> 00:36:00,568
Stopping for the ones.
743
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:03,624
you know, Zacchaeus is in the tree,
744
00:36:03,624 --> 00:36:05,847
the woman who's reaching for
745
00:36:05,445 --> 00:36:06,445
Yeah.
746
00:36:05,847 --> 00:36:06,879
the hem of his garment.
747
00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:10,301
So
748
00:36:09,488 --> 00:36:10,488
That's it. And
749
00:36:09,702 --> 00:36:10,702
if it
750
00:36:10,165 --> 00:36:11,267
they're all around us.
751
00:36:12,597 --> 00:36:14,078
Who won the Broncos game that day?
752
00:36:15,194 --> 00:36:16,653
I don't remember. Doesn't matter.
753
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:21,390
Isn't it funny how we get so distracted by
these things that are so menial?
754
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:23,882
You wouldn't have remembered even if you
watched the game,
755
00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:25,774
I'll bet you. Even if you w got home,
756
00:36:25,774 --> 00:36:27,906
got your water, ditched the lady and got
home,
757
00:36:27,906 --> 00:36:30,549
and I would have said, Hey, who won the
Broncos game that day?
758
00:36:30,549 --> 00:36:31,893
Would you remember? I don't
759
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:32,290
Yeah.
760
00:36:31,893 --> 00:36:33,832
know, maybe, if it was an awesome game.
761
00:36:33,832 --> 00:36:38,737
But we're so sidetracked by the menial
things and mundane things of life that
762
00:36:38,737 --> 00:36:41,019
we think have eternal value when in fact
they don't.
763
00:36:41,019 --> 00:36:42,019
What do you think?
764
00:36:42,432 --> 00:36:48,695
has changed most in the last twenty-five
years of evangelism or evangelistic
styles.
765
00:36:48,695 --> 00:36:52,556
We've seen pictures of people on a soapbox
with a bullhorn,
766
00:36:52,556 --> 00:36:56,098
placards, turner burn. ~ you know,
767
00:36:56,098 --> 00:36:57,979
what has changed in the last 25 years?
768
00:36:59,492 --> 00:37:01,152
Well, I mean, I think, you know,
769
00:37:01,152 --> 00:37:02,893
for us what's changed is we you know,
770
00:37:02,893 --> 00:37:04,993
we've we we've learned how to engage,
771
00:37:04,993 --> 00:37:07,594
not enrage. Like how do you have a
conversation,
772
00:37:07,594 --> 00:37:10,145
not just make a presentation, which is
different,
773
00:37:10,145 --> 00:37:13,906
you know. ~ I think in the church
774
00:37:15,886 --> 00:37:19,547
we have substituted evangelism for
invitation.
775
00:37:19,547 --> 00:37:23,408
So like we do a lot of come and see,
776
00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:26,429
we don't do a lot of go and tell.
777
00:37:26,429 --> 00:37:28,900
And I think come and see is great.
778
00:37:29,146 --> 00:37:32,878
But for every one that will come and see
there's ninety nine who won't.
779
00:37:32,878 --> 00:37:35,010
So my question is who will reach the
ninety nine?
780
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:41,313
You know? And I think that's where we have
to own that personally,
781
00:37:41,313 --> 00:37:44,375
you know, and not just leave it to the
professional.
782
00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:48,122
I think, you know,
783
00:37:48,122 --> 00:37:49,122
~
784
00:37:51,642 --> 00:37:57,624
There's been a young shift around the
world toward
785
00:37:57,624 --> 00:38:01,245
a spiritual hunger, even in places like
Europe.
786
00:38:01,245 --> 00:38:06,726
~ I think that's a what I would say that's
an opportunity
787
00:38:07,366 --> 00:38:09,607
for evangelism that we have to seize now.
788
00:38:09,607 --> 00:38:14,468
'cause I've never I've never seen the
openness in the United States like
789
00:38:14,468 --> 00:38:16,229
we have right now. It's crazy,
790
00:38:16,229 --> 00:38:17,929
you know. And
791
00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:18,375
Yeah.
792
00:38:18,029 --> 00:38:20,410
everywhere we go, I mean it's there's a
there's a
793
00:38:21,122 --> 00:38:24,514
Openness to engage the conversation.
794
00:38:24,244 --> 00:38:25,244
~
795
00:38:24,544 --> 00:38:29,457
absolutely true. And y you see this
spiritual hunger statistics.
796
00:38:29,457 --> 00:38:32,549
Even Barno will put out reports about how
Gen Zers,
797
00:38:32,549 --> 00:38:36,331
Gen Alpha are either buying Bibles,
798
00:38:36,331 --> 00:38:39,883
attending church, attracted to spiritual
things.
799
00:38:39,883 --> 00:38:41,234
That's not always a good thing,
800
00:38:41,234 --> 00:38:46,857
but it can certainly be a tool that we ~
mold and shape toward Christ,
801
00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:50,069
~ if we choose to do so. And
802
00:38:50,517 --> 00:38:52,588
the the the passion of a young generation.
803
00:38:52,588 --> 00:38:54,569
I love that you've carried this so long.
804
00:38:54,569 --> 00:38:56,791
Tell me a little bit about Dare to Share.
805
00:38:56,791 --> 00:38:59,372
how long have you guys existed?
806
00:38:59,372 --> 00:39:05,276
What do you do? I know you even have a day
of day of global youth evangelism coming
807
00:39:05,007 --> 00:39:06,007
Yeah.
808
00:39:05,276 --> 00:39:06,276
up.
809
00:39:05,957 --> 00:39:09,909
And ~ tell me about the passion the
ministry God's given you on your heart.
810
00:39:10,863 --> 00:39:13,304
Sure, yeah, you know, I love young people.
811
00:39:13,304 --> 00:39:15,087
~ teenagers come to Christ quicker,
812
00:39:15,087 --> 00:39:16,458
they spread the gospel faster.
813
00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:20,861
~ I'm convinced that most of the disciples
were teenagers and begin following after
814
00:39:20,861 --> 00:39:24,064
Christ. And when you think of Jesus as a
youth leader,
815
00:39:24,064 --> 00:39:26,026
it reframes everything, you know.
816
00:39:26,026 --> 00:39:28,448
~ you start thinking, Man, my goodness,
817
00:39:28,448 --> 00:39:31,290
he changed the world with a sm a small
youth group.
818
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,894
changed the world. And ~ we have his same
spirit dwelling inside of us.
819
00:39:35,894 --> 00:39:39,557
So ~ started thirty five years ago.
820
00:39:40,537 --> 00:39:44,250
pastor started Dare to Share on the side
after the Columbine High School shooting.
821
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:46,421
~ happened in Denver, Colorado,
822
00:39:46,421 --> 00:39:48,212
April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine.
823
00:39:48,212 --> 00:39:50,784
I resigned from the church to do Dare to
Share full time.
824
00:39:50,784 --> 00:39:53,446
And we started with primarily b large,
825
00:39:53,446 --> 00:39:55,788
you know, small events that grew to large
events,
826
00:39:55,788 --> 00:39:59,163
that grew to arena events. Like we were
filling arenas,
827
00:39:59,163 --> 00:40:03,203
you know, across the United States with
tens of thousands of teenagers training,
828
00:40:03,203 --> 00:40:06,515
equipping, mobilizing. And every Dare to
share event we've ever done,
829
00:40:06,515 --> 00:40:08,457
we always take the kids out sharing the
gospel.
830
00:40:08,457 --> 00:40:09,457
So they all
831
00:40:09,123 --> 00:40:11,894
I'll go out. So we've had up to nine
thousand students,
832
00:40:11,894 --> 00:40:15,887
~ like trained, equipped, and in that
afternoon they go out and do it,
833
00:40:15,887 --> 00:40:19,659
you know. Ten years ago, just over ten
years ago,
834
00:40:19,659 --> 00:40:24,461
eleven years ago now, I was in Israel and
I was there with 180 ministry leaders from
835
00:40:24,461 --> 00:40:28,213
fifty-three countries and found out a lot
of them were using dare
836
00:40:28,213 --> 00:40:29,624
to share material and I was like,
837
00:40:29,624 --> 00:40:32,816
What, you are? And this big South African,
838
00:40:32,816 --> 00:40:35,867
Don Olding, goes, Bro, you must go global.
839
00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:38,689
And I'm like, Yeah, you know, I don't
know.
840
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:41,545
How to do that. I'm a train wreck in my
own country.
841
00:40:41,545 --> 00:40:42,986
I'm not sure it'll work. He goes,
842
00:40:42,986 --> 00:40:45,597
Brew, it works. We use your stuff.
843
00:40:45,597 --> 00:40:51,650
And so on Manor Bell where the Great
Commission ~ most likely took place.
844
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:55,072
~ I heard a sermon on the Great Commission
845
00:40:55,072 --> 00:41:00,309
and just ran up to ~
846
00:41:00,309 --> 00:41:03,866
the my two cohorts that were there and
said,
847
00:41:03,866 --> 00:41:05,107
God's given me the green light,
848
00:41:05,107 --> 00:41:09,039
let's do this. And took a picture actually
849
00:41:09,409 --> 00:41:15,161
Right above my desk there's a picture of
our three hands
850
00:41:15,161 --> 00:41:17,671
in the middle saying yes.
851
00:41:16,499 --> 00:41:17,510
And where are you at right there?
852
00:41:18,412 --> 00:41:19,832
Israel, Mount Arbel.
853
00:41:20,188 --> 00:41:21,188
Wow.
854
00:41:20,772 --> 00:41:23,643
Yeah. And so didn't know how to do it.
855
00:41:23,643 --> 00:41:28,614
~ didn't want to do it like a typical
American coming in telling everybody what
856
00:41:28,614 --> 00:41:34,576
to do. So I just said the Lord open up
doors and he did and and
857
00:41:34,576 --> 00:41:37,957
now we have sixty-five thousand what we
call gospel advancing leaders around
858
00:41:37,957 --> 00:41:38,957
the world.
859
00:41:38,701 --> 00:41:43,423
That are youth leaders primarily that are
implementing these strategies in,
860
00:41:43,423 --> 00:41:49,515
you know, hundred plus countries and ~ the
goal is every teen everywhere hearing
861
00:41:49,515 --> 00:41:51,766
the gospel from a friend. So to do that,
862
00:41:51,766 --> 00:41:54,307
~ we make our curriculum free,
863
00:41:54,307 --> 00:41:58,069
you know, so we have seventy six
curriculums that are all completely free
864
00:41:58,069 --> 00:42:00,840
of charge and any youth leader I've talked
to youth leaders around
865
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,282
the world who've used our our tr
curriculum for years that are
866
00:42:04,282 --> 00:42:07,593
so grateful because America tends to
charge
867
00:42:08,353 --> 00:42:10,414
A lot of stuff, and so we just give it
away.
868
00:42:10,414 --> 00:42:12,787
We do a day of global youth evangelism,
869
00:42:12,787 --> 00:42:17,761
which is two hours of pre-filmed in a TV
studio with global,
870
00:42:17,761 --> 00:42:22,845
awesome youth speakers and drama and MCs.
871
00:42:22,845 --> 00:42:28,400
We we two hours worth of inspiration and
training that we film will film this
872
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,191
summer, and we film every summer,
873
00:42:30,191 --> 00:42:34,795
and then we make it available free of
charge on the second Saturday of November,
874
00:42:34,795 --> 00:42:36,537
November 14th.
875
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,792
youth leaders download it, they show it to
their kids.
876
00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:44,194
It's very interactive. It feels like a
live event.
877
00:42:44,194 --> 00:42:49,438
They post on Instagram and around the
world you can see the hashtag,
878
00:42:49,438 --> 00:42:52,279
you know, Day of Global Youth Evangelism
or DGYE.
879
00:42:52,279 --> 00:42:57,412
The one requirement, like if you don't
agree to this,
880
00:42:57,412 --> 00:43:00,844
we won't let you sign up. Because you have
to take the students out
881
00:43:00,844 --> 00:43:01,844
to share the gospel.
882
00:43:04,055 --> 00:43:05,897
Number one attending country last year,
883
00:43:05,897 --> 00:43:08,229
number three was the US, number two was
Argentina,
884
00:43:08,229 --> 00:43:09,961
it's English, Spanish, Portuguese,
885
00:43:09,961 --> 00:43:12,553
and we're gonna add Arabic and French this
year.
886
00:43:12,553 --> 00:43:16,077
~ but the number one country was Nigeria.
887
00:43:16,731 --> 00:43:20,563
Really? Wow. Do you see the shift in
global
888
00:43:18,925 --> 00:43:20,397
Yeah. There were more cr
889
00:43:20,563 --> 00:43:24,074
missions from a former mission field to a
mission force?
890
00:43:25,111 --> 00:43:29,425
my goodness, thousands of teenage
Nigerians out,
891
00:43:29,425 --> 00:43:31,927
like risking their lives sharing the
gospel.
892
00:43:31,927 --> 00:43:36,281
So yeah, I'm at my prayer this year is
that we'll have over a million
893
00:43:36,281 --> 00:43:39,123
~ young people trained, equipped,
894
00:43:39,123 --> 00:43:42,406
and mobilized. And again, restricted
countries where we have you know ideas
895
00:43:42,406 --> 00:43:44,278
for if you live in a restricted country,
896
00:43:44,278 --> 00:43:46,339
how do you do that effectively?
897
00:43:46,339 --> 00:43:49,242
You know, which will end up with those
kids in a co you know,
898
00:43:49,242 --> 00:43:52,495
a tea you know, tea or coffee shop talking
to a friend.
899
00:43:53,007 --> 00:43:54,288
About the gospel, which is great,
900
00:43:54,288 --> 00:43:57,341
you know. And so, yeah, I mean,
901
00:43:57,341 --> 00:44:01,805
~ I just encourage youth leaders to check
out dare to share.org.
902
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:03,766
It's the number two, dare to share dot
org.
903
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,548
Or if you know a youth leader,
904
00:44:05,548 --> 00:44:07,350
and just raid the refrigerator.
905
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:10,052
We have so much free stuff to help.
906
00:44:10,052 --> 00:44:11,343
And all this stuff is transferable.
907
00:44:11,343 --> 00:44:13,195
We have an app called Life in Six Words,
908
00:44:13,195 --> 00:44:17,519
tons of tools and resources that we have
entire churches use,
909
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,991
~ even though we're focused on youth.
910
00:44:21,782 --> 00:44:24,473
Dude, I love that. And what are you
thinking?
911
00:44:24,473 --> 00:44:26,193
There's a terrible business model,
912
00:44:26,193 --> 00:44:29,914
and I love it. Giving stuff away for the
gospel,
913
00:44:29,914 --> 00:44:32,275
empowering others. And in some way,
914
00:44:32,275 --> 00:44:36,446
you remind me of what so many
cross-cultural,
915
00:44:36,446 --> 00:44:41,357
cross-linguistic, cross-geographic
missionaries hope to see happen,
916
00:44:41,357 --> 00:44:45,358
which is CPM or DMM disciple
multiplication movements,
917
00:44:45,358 --> 00:44:48,559
church planting movements, and that only
happens.
918
00:44:49,035 --> 00:44:52,137
Through a multiplicative strategy or
approach.
919
00:44:52,137 --> 00:44:56,400
By giving away these things, you are
empowering a generation.
920
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,082
~ I was just watching a video on your on
your website,
921
00:45:00,082 --> 00:45:05,325
and ~ you guys are talking about how
gospel advancing youth
922
00:45:05,686 --> 00:45:11,590
~ a group that shares the gospel grows
much faster.
923
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:13,351
I can't remember the specific details.
924
00:45:12,442 --> 00:45:13,442
Yeah.
925
00:45:13,532 --> 00:45:17,584
And it got me thinking, what what is this
growth for?
926
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:21,344
What what do you want to see in the end?
927
00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:25,848
Are you looking for more numbers and
growth is the end goal or is health
928
00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:29,862
the end goal? What is the ministry and
maybe more so personally?
929
00:45:29,862 --> 00:45:34,035
What is your ultimate aim as an individual
and a ministry leader?
930
00:45:35,437 --> 00:45:38,618
Yeah, health or numbers. I would say
health then numbers.
931
00:45:38,618 --> 00:45:40,708
So when you have a healthy youth group,
932
00:45:40,708 --> 00:45:42,399
it leads to numb it leads to growth.
933
00:45:42,399 --> 00:45:44,139
If you're healthy physically, you you
know,
934
00:45:44,139 --> 00:45:46,160
you as a kid you you grow, right?
935
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,321
~ so our ultimate goal is simple.
936
00:45:50,321 --> 00:45:53,252
It's every teen everywhere hearing the
gospel from a friend,
937
00:45:53,252 --> 00:46:00,224
right? our mission is to energize the
church to mobilize their youth
938
00:46:00,584 --> 00:46:04,857
to gospalize the world. ~ and our strategy
is
939
00:46:05,423 --> 00:46:09,056
to you know provide the tools and
resources and curriculum and coaching
940
00:46:09,056 --> 00:46:12,988
and training that youth leaders around the
world need to build
941
00:46:12,988 --> 00:46:15,480
a gospel advancing disciple multiplying
culture.
942
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,844
And ~ I believe the Great Commission can
be accomplished through young people.
943
00:46:20,844 --> 00:46:22,385
~
944
00:46:21,524 --> 00:46:22,524
Amen.
945
00:46:23,285 --> 00:46:24,826
they c again they come to Christ quicker,
946
00:46:24,826 --> 00:46:26,147
they spread the gospel faster,
947
00:46:26,147 --> 00:46:27,888
their brains aren't fully developed.
948
00:46:27,888 --> 00:46:31,411
You know, if you know w last which is an
advantage,
949
00:46:31,411 --> 00:46:33,312
like you know, that's why they take risks,
950
00:46:32,532 --> 00:46:34,343
yeah. Who needs a frontal cortex,
951
00:46:33,312 --> 00:46:34,312
you know.
952
00:46:34,343 --> 00:46:35,740
man? You got that passion fire.
953
00:46:36,217 --> 00:46:37,928
Let's rock, let's go. You know,
954
00:46:37,928 --> 00:46:44,363
when a year ago we had our con ~ our
driveway ~ redone and they had to take
955
00:46:44,363 --> 00:46:49,967
the you know big tractors and jackhammers
and break apart all the concrete
956
00:46:50,367 --> 00:46:52,709
and then move it, that was the longest
part of the process,
957
00:46:52,709 --> 00:46:56,161
right? And once they got all that moved
and smoothed,
958
00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:58,613
then they set the forms and pour the
cement.
959
00:46:58,613 --> 00:47:03,146
With adult ministry, you you need a
jackhammer.
960
00:47:04,386 --> 00:47:06,087
Or strongholds that need to be broken
down.
961
00:47:06,087 --> 00:47:08,459
It's you know, but the younger you go,
962
00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:11,571
the more it's like you just set the forms
and pour the cement.
963
00:47:11,571 --> 00:47:13,483
And once that cement is formed,
964
00:47:13,483 --> 00:47:16,545
like my kids, I believe they will always
share their faith.
965
00:47:16,545 --> 00:47:18,797
Now they're adults. I believe they'll
share their faith for
966
00:47:18,797 --> 00:47:21,008
the lifetime because they've been formed
that way.
967
00:47:21,008 --> 00:47:23,810
So again, we need adult ministry.
968
00:47:23,810 --> 00:47:27,673
I'm not patient enough to work with just
adults.
969
00:47:27,673 --> 00:47:30,976
I'm not. I was like, man, if we're gonna
get the numbers.
970
00:47:32,526 --> 00:47:33,997
Then we gotta go where the getting's good.
971
00:47:33,997 --> 00:47:37,869
If you know, if I was a business guy and I
knew eighty percent
972
00:47:37,869 --> 00:47:40,981
of a certain constituency was most likely
to buy my product,
973
00:47:40,981 --> 00:47:43,702
I'd put a hundred percent of my marketing
into that constituency.
974
00:47:43,702 --> 00:47:47,345
Well, eighty percent of those ish of those
that come to Christ do it
975
00:47:47,345 --> 00:47:50,086
by the time they're eighteen. You know,
976
00:47:50,086 --> 00:47:53,108
so we gotta get young. And that means
977
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:53,670
Amen.
978
00:47:53,108 --> 00:47:56,230
for parents, you know, you are the
ultimate youth leader.
979
00:47:56,230 --> 00:48:00,012
You know, you're the it's not your youth
leader's job.
980
00:48:00,620 --> 00:48:03,101
Your primary job, they're B, they're the B
team,
981
00:48:03,101 --> 00:48:08,422
right? You're the A team. So you have to
start modeling evangelism.
982
00:48:08,422 --> 00:48:09,813
You have to start living this out.
983
00:48:09,813 --> 00:48:10,933
You have to coach your students.
984
00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:15,004
You have to get good at this. Because if
you just teach them to read their Bibles
985
00:48:15,824 --> 00:48:17,575
and have sound theology, which are good,
986
00:48:17,575 --> 00:48:19,485
and you know, and and you know,
987
00:48:19,485 --> 00:48:22,766
go to church and all this stuff which are
imp crucial,
988
00:48:22,766 --> 00:48:25,417
but you're not equipping them to share
their faith.
989
00:48:25,417 --> 00:48:29,078
It's like pouring milk into a sponge and
leaving it there.
990
00:48:30,232 --> 00:48:34,416
We need to equip them, we need to pour in
the milk of God's word into their soul
991
00:48:34,636 --> 00:48:36,658
and then have them squeeze it out to
others.
992
00:48:36,658 --> 00:48:38,590
Then they come back thirsty for more.
993
00:48:40,148 --> 00:48:43,829
Yeah. Another visual I'm getting there.
994
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:45,590
I can almost see that happening.
995
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:48,071
Someone's squeezing that sponge.
996
00:48:48,071 --> 00:48:49,111
~
997
00:48:49,145 --> 00:48:50,145
Yeah.
998
00:48:49,752 --> 00:48:51,462
let's say someone's listening right now.
999
00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,194
They're like, Okay, it sounds too simple,
1000
00:48:55,194 --> 00:48:58,615
almost too good to be true. I don't know
why you're seeing the fruit you're seeing,
1001
00:48:58,615 --> 00:49:00,856
because we've been knocking our heads
against a wall.
1002
00:49:00,856 --> 00:49:05,147
What are a couple simple and effective
steps to take?
1003
00:49:05,147 --> 00:49:07,328
Just the first few. Like, man,
1004
00:49:07,328 --> 00:49:09,719
I I got saved. It was
1005
00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:12,543
It was maybe not as radical as Greg's
deer,
1006
00:49:12,543 --> 00:49:16,078
but man, my life was changed. And now
1007
00:49:15,673 --> 00:49:16,673
Yeah.
1008
00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:19,683
I just I I wanted to share with my faith
and I kind of did at the beginning,
1009
00:49:19,683 --> 00:49:23,328
but it's been a while, man. I haven't
shared in a while.
1010
00:49:23,328 --> 00:49:26,323
What are the give what are a few simple
steps that they can start with?
1011
00:49:27,032 --> 00:49:29,804
You know, my buddy Dave Gibson,
1012
00:49:29,804 --> 00:49:33,037
he prays for Bob every day. B O B.
1013
00:49:33,037 --> 00:49:38,522
A burden for the lost. The O is an
opportunity to share Christ that day,
1014
00:49:38,522 --> 00:49:42,745
and the B is the boldness to walk through
that door when God opens it.
1015
00:49:42,745 --> 00:49:45,087
So start praying for Bob every day.
1016
00:49:45,087 --> 00:49:48,370
A burden, opportunity, and boldness.
1017
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:49,982
That is a prayer
1018
00:49:49,547 --> 00:49:50,547
Bob.
1019
00:49:49,982 --> 00:49:52,053
that God loves to answer. Pray for Bob.
1020
00:49:52,053 --> 00:49:54,976
What about Bob? Yeah.
1021
00:49:52,587 --> 00:49:53,587
Pray for Bob.
1022
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:58,732
Awesome, man. I I love how Greg,
1023
00:49:58,732 --> 00:50:01,985
you not only have the simplicity about
you,
1024
00:50:01,985 --> 00:50:04,457
but somehow there's the there's that
humility.
1025
00:50:04,457 --> 00:50:05,828
What did you call it a while ago?
1026
00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:09,041
The holy, humble swagger. Man,
1027
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:08,740
Humble swagger.
1028
00:50:09,041 --> 00:50:10,041
I can see
1029
00:50:09,432 --> 00:50:10,833
the podcast coming out for that.
1030
00:50:10,833 --> 00:50:13,185
I'd subscribe just just so you know.
1031
00:50:11,598 --> 00:50:13,453
There you go. Come on, come on.
1032
00:50:14,746 --> 00:50:20,311
Ben, yeah, thank you so much for just a
lifetime ~ dedicated to.
1033
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,504
To radically sharing your faith in a way
that in in my world
1034
00:50:25,504 --> 00:50:29,537
I would call contextualized. It means the
listeners get it.
1035
00:50:29,537 --> 00:50:31,859
They could grab on a hold of what you're
saying.
1036
00:50:31,859 --> 00:50:36,222
That's the constant struggle in the
overseas missionary ~ community.
1037
00:50:36,222 --> 00:50:38,965
How do you contextualize the gospel to
your listeners?
1038
00:50:38,965 --> 00:50:40,696
Because of course we're dealing with
cross-linguistic,
1039
00:50:40,696 --> 00:50:43,258
cross-cultural, which of course you have
done too.
1040
00:50:43,258 --> 00:50:49,393
But man, staying faithful and and
challenging the church as a lion might.
1041
00:50:49,503 --> 00:50:53,546
do but being graceful to those who are
outside the four walls.
1042
00:50:55,364 --> 00:50:57,736
Let's do it. Yeah, I mean it's I
encourage,
1043
00:50:57,736 --> 00:50:58,995
and I I would encourage, you know,
1044
00:50:58,995 --> 00:51:01,269
if you're an adult and you're kind of
wondering next steps,
1045
00:51:01,269 --> 00:51:05,553
what do I do? I did write a book called
Radical Like Jesus.
1046
00:51:05,553 --> 00:51:09,316
And it's it's based on there's 21
chapters.
1047
00:51:09,316 --> 00:51:11,518
Each of them have twenty one challenges.
1048
00:51:11,518 --> 00:51:13,680
It's like a different snapshot of life of
Christ,
1049
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,723
but then you take a challenge with every
chapter.
1050
00:51:16,723 --> 00:51:18,134
And it's not all about evangelism,
1051
00:51:18,134 --> 00:51:22,618
it's spiritual disciplines and faith and
fasting and growth and you know sp
1052
00:51:23,228 --> 00:51:26,652
~ spiritual warfare, all the stuff that
Jesus went through.
1053
00:51:26,652 --> 00:51:28,885
But by the time you're done reading the
book,
1054
00:51:28,885 --> 00:51:30,097
you'll know how to share your faith.
1055
00:51:30,097 --> 00:51:36,665
And you will have had ~ three gospel
conversations by the time you're done
1056
00:51:36,403 --> 00:51:39,099
Awesome. Do it. Go
1057
00:51:36,665 --> 00:51:37,786
if you take all the challenges.
1058
00:51:37,786 --> 00:51:39,008
So yeah.
1059
00:51:39,099 --> 00:51:42,496
buy radical like Jesus. I think Louis
Giglio wrote the forward to it
1060
00:51:42,496 --> 00:51:43,989
or co authored it with you, is that right?
1061
00:51:43,788 --> 00:51:44,788
He
1062
00:51:44,229 --> 00:51:47,706
no, he wrote the forward. I was so it was
like Bruce Lee writing
1063
00:51:47,706 --> 00:51:49,690
the forward to your, you know,
1064
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:53,156
Kung Fu ~ book, like, man, Louis Giglio,
1065
00:51:53,156 --> 00:51:54,156
I love that guy.
1066
00:51:53,467 --> 00:51:54,467
Yeah, exactly.
1067
00:51:54,588 --> 00:51:57,920
Well, that's why I wanted to give a little
extra shame ~ to
1068
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,192
the shameless plug because ~ I knew you
weren't gonna tell us that.
1069
00:52:01,192 --> 00:52:04,644
But ~ man, God is gonna continue to use
you.
1070
00:52:04,644 --> 00:52:09,237
I pray that he uses Dare to Share to
continue to impact people.
1071
00:52:09,237 --> 00:52:12,069
I'll be following you. Make sure you
follow Greg Steer,
1072
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:14,411
Dare to Share Ministries on Instagram,
1073
00:52:14,411 --> 00:52:17,262
Facebook, TikTok. Are you dancing on
TikTok?
1074
00:52:17,262 --> 00:52:18,262
I don't know if you're on TikTok.
1075
00:52:18,306 --> 00:52:21,706
No, I my my kids are like, please don't do
TikTok that.
1076
00:52:21,479 --> 00:52:22,479
Okay.
1077
00:52:24,154 --> 00:52:26,100
So I may. I may, just to taunt them.
1078
00:52:26,803 --> 00:52:29,805
Again, you would have your first
subscriber from Thailand.
1079
00:52:29,805 --> 00:52:31,536
Okay. If it happens. We'll see.
1080
00:52:30,478 --> 00:52:31,565
There you go. There you go.
1081
00:52:31,536 --> 00:52:32,536
I'll
1082
00:52:31,776 --> 00:52:35,989
be I'll be waiting for the ~ holy humble
swagger account.
1083
00:52:36,324 --> 00:52:37,324
Podcast.
1084
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:40,452
Awesome. Well, bro, thank you so much for
sharing.
1085
00:52:40,452 --> 00:52:45,165
And it's been a pleasure just reconnecting
and I just pray continual blessings over
1086
00:52:45,165 --> 00:52:47,846
the ministry that God has given you and
continues to enlarge your heart
1087
00:52:47,846 --> 00:52:51,799
for the lost and those who are needing
transformative touch from Jesus.
1088
00:52:52,802 --> 00:52:57,065
David, thank you for investing your life
into reaching the people
1089
00:52:57,065 --> 00:52:59,007
of Thailand with the hope of of Christ.
1090
00:52:59,007 --> 00:53:02,399
May God bless you and provide and
encourage you every step of the
1091
00:53:02,399 --> 00:53:03,399
way and your family.
1092
00:53:04,213 --> 00:53:05,213
Thank you so much.
1093
00:53:07,197 --> 00:53:09,098
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1094
00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:12,841
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1095
00:53:12,841 --> 00:53:15,334
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I'm guessing that most of the people
watching this podcast on YouTube
8
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or listening on their favorite podcast
platform adhere to the Christian faith.
9
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However, I'm not going to assume that
those watchers or listeners have actually
10
00:00:47,598 --> 00:00:50,539
shared their faith, perhaps even in the
last year,
11
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and much to the angels' surprise.
12
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~ it's in this day and age, it can be
awkward or embarrassing or
13
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Difficult to get over the hump of sharing
your faith and seeing breakthrough
14
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and impact in people's lives. It's like
Jim Gaffigan,
15
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the comedian, who says, I don't want to
make anyone feel awkward.
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That's why I'd like to talk to you about
Jesus.
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And we're going to be addressing some of
those questions and difficulties today.
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Today, my good friend Greg Steer,
19
00:01:18,611 --> 00:01:21,494
he is the founder of Dare to Share
Ministries,
20
00:01:21,494 --> 00:01:23,696
also the author of numerous books,
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including.
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Radical like Jesus and unlikely fighter.
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And his ministry also started the Life in
Six Words app.
24
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And Greg, it's great to have you back on
here,
25
00:01:33,565 --> 00:01:34,565
buddy.
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David, so glad to be a part of this ~
podcast again.
27
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It's been a while.
28
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Man, I
29
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it has been a while. And the last time we
did it was really fun.
30
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I always I I've never met you in person,
31
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but I feel like I've known you and were
cut from the same cloth somehow.
32
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I agree. You know, I mean evangelists run
together,
33
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bleed together. I mean we're a twitchy
we're a tr twitchy crew and ~
34
00:01:58,395 --> 00:02:02,489
you can pick out of a crowd. I call
twitchers 'cause you you start talking
about
35
00:02:02,489 --> 00:02:03,570
sharing the gospel, they're like,
36
00:02:03,570 --> 00:02:04,570
Let's go.
37
00:02:04,881 --> 00:02:07,003
Exactly. Hey, that's how you light my
fire.
38
00:02:07,003 --> 00:02:10,267
~ you start talking to me about not only
sharing your faith,
39
00:02:10,267 --> 00:02:11,899
but then in the global context,
40
00:02:11,899 --> 00:02:13,260
you talk about Hudson Taylor,
41
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Yeah.
42
00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:16,163
C T stud, and that that'll light my fire
right there.
43
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Amen. Amen.
44
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Yeah. Well, before I jump in, and we did
this before,
45
00:02:22,387 --> 00:02:24,838
your story, and I certainly want to hear
that again.
46
00:02:24,838 --> 00:02:26,519
It's been it's been a while, number of
years.
47
00:02:26,519 --> 00:02:29,170
~ but but but the first thing I want to
ask you about,
48
00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:32,992
because you're known and the ministry is
known for evangelism,
49
00:02:32,992 --> 00:02:36,664
sharing your faith boldly, but
contextually,
50
00:02:36,664 --> 00:02:38,765
and you've actually seen fruit in that.
51
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~ so my one of my first questions
52
00:02:41,717 --> 00:02:47,340
is do we sharing the gospel to other
people,
53
00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:48,340
do we
54
00:02:48,172 --> 00:02:50,223
treat them as projects, like, okay,
55
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this is what Jesus called me to do.
56
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This is the project. I've got to
accomplish it.
57
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~ and also, number one, do we treat people
like projects when we share the gospel?
58
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And number two, what about people from
other faiths?
59
00:03:02,322 --> 00:03:04,644
They're Buddhist, they're Islamic,
60
00:03:04,420 --> 00:03:05,420
Bene.
61
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maybe
62
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they're struggling with gender identity.
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People around us are hurting in all their
unique kind of ways.
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~ how do we genuinely show compassion and
love for people while boldly sharing
65
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the gospel?
66
00:03:18,082 --> 00:03:19,893
Yeah, those those are two loaded
questions.
67
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And I would say the first one,
68
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obviously we're on a mission. You know,
69
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I had a n neighbor once, he was like,
70
00:03:26,055 --> 00:03:27,534
Why are you always trying to convert me?
71
00:03:27,534 --> 00:03:29,357
I'm like, It's actually my job.
72
00:03:29,357 --> 00:03:31,037
You know, I said, you know, Jesus said,
73
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Go and make disciples. He goes,
74
00:03:32,532 --> 00:03:34,289
Well, that adds context. You can stop.
75
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And I'm I never stopped. ~ and he finally
came to Christ,
76
00:03:37,620 --> 00:03:39,851
but not through me. I'm like, What the
heck?
77
00:03:39,851 --> 00:03:42,602
After all this hard work I was a guy at
the gym.
78
00:03:42,602 --> 00:03:45,323
~ but he's he's a believer now.
79
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But you know, they're not project these
are people.
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And when Jesus saw the crowds,
81
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he saw people in the crowds. And he cared
about them.
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He compassion for them. The Greek word is
splacknisomai.
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It means the deep ~ pain in your very
bowels.
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So Jesus hurt for people who did not have
that message of hope,
85
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the gospel of grace. And you know,
86
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I think
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I think the way we approach everybody,
88
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no matter what they believe, whatever
belief system is,
89
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we our ultimate goal is we want to see
them in a relationship with Christ.
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To get there, they have to repent.
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Now, I think repent is one of those terms
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Like you hear what is repent? It's turn
100 degree turn from sin.
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It's actually not. That's not what it
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The Greek word is metane eo. It means to
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to perceive differently afterward.
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It's a total shift of thinking.
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you know, hopefully the change of life,
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everything flows. But we're trying to get
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right? It's not the the five pillars of
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right? It's it's not Muhammad,
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right? That that that you know it is
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You know, you're trying to shift their
thinking from that to this,
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from you know, the eightfold path of
Buddhism to Jesus is the way.
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From the you know millions of gods of
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You know, then his his name is Jesus
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you know, and he died in your place for
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So that repentance, you know,
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what I when you're engaging in a
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what you want to do is build a bridge and
not just win an argument.
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So if you're gonna really get somebody to
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shifting their entire worldview,
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and then potentially, you know,
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losing family or getting persecuted
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You have to build a bridge. We're we have
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not checkers. And and what I mean by that
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try to argue the argue somebody in,
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you know, and and if we win the argument,
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we feel better about ourselves.
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The goal goal is to win the soul.
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You know, eight different times in the
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in the New Testament, the gr the Greek
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in it means persuade.
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And it doesn't mean use curse salesman
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it means to gently win somebody over.
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all all sorts of different belief systems.
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When you love people and you care about
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walls tend to come down.
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So when we train teenagers,
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because that's what we do around the
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train teenagers how to share the gospel.
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We train adults too, but teenagers is our
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We use three simple words ask,
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admire, admit. Ask good questions,
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get to know them, find out what they
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admire what you can, find common ground,
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like Paul did in Acts 17 with the men of
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You I see you're very religious people,
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even of an altar to an unknown God.
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a savior. Tell your story and then tell
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And and then you're in a conversation that
may maybe they're not ready
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to repent and shift their way of thinking
and believe in Christ.
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Maybe they are, you know. ~ but let's
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our best to g give their conversion our
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you we have to speak the truth.
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We can't we can't soft pedal sin or hell
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but in the midst of a conversation rather
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w it sounds to me like you would err on
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relationship, connection with someone,
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rather than shoving the four spiritual
laws down their throat.
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~ maybe you know, I I've been outside of
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And so my mindset has shifted away from a
right,
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wrong, guilt, innocence culture,
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which the West very much is in the
judicial system in many ways.
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To a different culture, which in my case
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Those are the three kinds of cultures,
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right? Guilt innocence, honor,
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shame, fear, power. And so bringing the
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for example, where I'm at, ~ man,
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it's it's a it's an uphill battle.
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It's not the quickest bridge to
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connect with someone. Would you say you
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of grace and relationship rather than,
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like you just said a moment ago,
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winning the argument?
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Yeah, I I think you what I would say I
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I end with the lion. And ~ you know,
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George Whitfield used to say, used to
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~ Lord give me the mixture of the lion and
the lamb and and I feel like when
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you start with a lion, you never get to
the lamb because you your roar scares
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away. And so, you know, Jesus met the
woman at the well,
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you know, and broke through all sorts of
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Cultural, gender, religious barriers by
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She was shocked that he was talking to her
and asking her for a favor.
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That was a that was actually an act of
extreme love.
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Like it was shocking to her. You know.
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You're right, you don't have a husband.
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You've had five husbands, and the dude
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is not your husband. I mean, he called
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What version is that exactly?
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he, yeah.
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It's John Four or something or other.
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you know, I feel like I feel like ~ you
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he did not lead with that. He l he led
with with love.
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religious people they actually led with a
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you know.
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kind of shake them and break them.
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you know, when I'm in doing, you know,
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traveling in taxis or Ubers around the
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I learned this from my buddy, you know,
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our mutual friend Dave Gibson,
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you know, spend the first half asking them
about their family and their lives
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and what they do and, you know,
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how long they've been driving and show
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you know where they're at spiritually.
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That second half, then you can lean in.
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So you start with the lamb, and then you,
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you know, and again, you I you don't I
don't avoid sin.
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I don't avoid God's judgment, I don't
avoid shame,
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I don't avoid any of that stuff.
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But I it's like it's that that old Mary
Poppins song,
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you know, a spoonful of sugar helps the
medicine go down.
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I I see the guy standing on the corner
here in the United States yelling repent.
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I go up to him a lot of times.
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I'm like, yo.
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How's it going? How many people have you
led to Christ through this strategy?
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Well, no, I'm getting persecuted for
sharing my faith.
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Actually, you're not. You're getting
persecuted for how you're sharing your
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maybe throughout history, there's been
different eras and times and seasons of
God.
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You look at 1741 was a little bit
different than 2026 when Jonathan Edwards
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out with his sinners in the hands of an
angry God,
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you know, and it, you know,
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wildfire flows throughout ~ the Western
world and people's lives
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are turned upside down. Today,
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that message of
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If Greg Steer had a message called Sinners
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how would your listeners feel about that?
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Well, I I think some of it depends on the
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'cause he actually was reading that to his
church by candlelight,
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monotone. And I think what sparked the
revival is because there was a
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lot of people that thought they were
Christians in the church that really
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So I feel like contextually, you know,
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if he went to the coal mine, coal mines in
the area and preached that,
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you know, he could get, you know,
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pummeled with, you know, stones or coal.
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~ but yeah, I think to the church
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you know, sometimes you gotta
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break that sort of stuff out. But to the
unbeliever,
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you know, grace to the unbeliever and ~
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I I think the standard raises high for
once you're once you're a believer,
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now now start living that grace out,
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you must have been one of those people
then who experienced a robust version
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of the gospel rather than an anemic one,
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because the gospel that Jesus brought
that's transformative,
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that reveals redemption, that transforms a
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~ brings a certain gospel privilege into
your life that you can't help
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but like tell others. You talk about the
Samaritan woman,
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what does she do immediately? Runs back
and becomes the evangelist
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of her entire city. And
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How did you first hear the gospel?
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I I my family were, you know, criminals.
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I mean, I was I was raised in a family of
three my uncles
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of competitive bodybuilders. The fourth
one was a bouncer at the toughest
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bar in Denver. The fifth one was a golden
glows boxer,
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judo champion, war hero. They were known
by the mafia in our city
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as the crazy brothers. My mom was a
partier.
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She was like the woman at the well with
the baseball bat.
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She she brawled with
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you know, ~ I mean gang fights.
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I mean, my family was insane. I was like
young Sheldon in the hood.
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I was a terrified, nerdy little kid,
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wondered how in the world. Never knew my
biological father because I was
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a result of one night stand. Mom almost
aborted me.
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So it was this crazy family. And two
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For me, my grandparents who were Baptist
took me to Bethany Baptist Church.
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And I was confused by the gospel because
they would always say,
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Let Jesus in your heart. And I would say,
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I have no idea what that means.
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Like, come come into my heart,
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Jesus. Are you there? Knock three times on
my pancreas if you made it.
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You know, let me know. I thought if I
cough too hard,
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I literally thought this. Jesus would go
flying out.
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I mean, I was and then they said
confession.
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You sound like it's like someone
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What's that?
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saying bless you when you sneeze,
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right?
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, yeah,
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no, y I mean I was that
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Vulnerable.
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O s I was O C D, like, ~ when it came to
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And then he said, Confess your sins to
God.
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And so I thought I would confess my sins
and my heart to God and then
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I would curse in my mind, I'd confess
that,
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and it was just a spy I was spiraling.
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And finally I I told my grandpa,
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I said, Well, I guess I should be baptized
and I walked the aisle
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to get baptized and Pastor Claude Pettit
said,
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Before you get baptized, you have to be a
Christian.
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And that means you believe that Jesus died
in your place for your sins on the cross,
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that he rose from the dead, and that by
faith in him you have eternal life
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and eternal hope. Not by your good deeds.
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And he goes, Have you done that?
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Well, in my mind, it clicked for the first
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I'm like, in my mind, I just said,
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Lord, I trust in you. I go, Yes.
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And for the first time, I understood the
gospel.
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And then it was that I wanted to tell
everybody.
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Meanwhile,
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A hillbilly preacher nicknamed Yankee
planted a church in the suburbs and
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on a dare reached my toughest uncle,
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my uncle Jack, who looks like the
Wolverine,
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and who went to jail for choking two cops
out at the same time.
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Went to his house on a Saturday morning,
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said, I'm here on a dare from Bob Daly to
tell you about Jesus.
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My Uncle Jack talk like this. He goes,
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Well, I don't know Jesus. I know Bob.
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I'll give you five minutes. And he
explained the gospel and used
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a simple illustration.
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Pretend like this is sin, pretend this is
God.
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God created us to be with him,
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he loves us, but we sin. And that sin
separates us from God and it breaks his
heart,
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you know. And these sins cannot be removed
by good deeds.
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It's like they're glued to us.
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So God sent his son, lived a perfect life,
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paying the price for sin. Jesus died,
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rose again. Everyone who trusts in him
alone has eternal life,
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and that life starts now and lasts
forever.
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And my Uncle Jack heard that message.
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And Yankee goes, Does that make sense?
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He goes, Hell yeah. That was a sinner's
prayer was hell yeah.
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He trusted Christ. And it began a a domino
effect.
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One by one, my Uncle Bob fully came to
Christ in the back of a squad
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car after he beat a guy to death.
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My uncle Dave came to Christ. My Uncle
Richard came to Christ.
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I mean, a whole family ended up coming to
Christ.
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And they couldn't keep it to themselves.
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They had to tell it's like what you said.
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That grace. You know, my my Uncle Jack
literally walked into a Mormon church
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on Sunday morning.
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Went to the newcomer's Sunday school
class,
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stood up to give his testimony.
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They thought he was a new Mormon.
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He gave the gospel, he gave an invitation.
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I mean, eighteen of the twenty-five new
Mormons raised their hand to
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say yes to Jesus. I mean it was they had
to tell everybody,
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you know. And it's the difference.
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Here's I keep these I have a little ladder
and a little chair I keep
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on my bookshelf.
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love your
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illustrations by the way. You're always
given
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good.
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these very visual takeaways that people
can connect with.
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And I think that's why you've simplified
sharing the gospel.
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Sorry to interrupt you.
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Well,
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that's because I'm a simple I'm a simple
guy and I work with teenagers,
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so you have to keep it simple.
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~ the ladder versus the chair.
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Every world religion is a ladder.
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The five pillars of Islam, the you know,
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seven sacraments of Catholicism,
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the eightfold path of Buddhism,
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the you can go on and on and on,
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right? Ten Ten Commandments of Judaism.
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Only Christianity is a chair where you
don't climb,
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you rest on what Jesus did. You put your
full weight on Christ.
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Based on his finished work on the cross
and resurrection from the dead,
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and that simplicity that sounds too good
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to be true has to be told,
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has to be shared. This is a the ladder is
a bummer.
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Because you always fall short.
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It's like the ladder lasts forever,
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you know, it's it's five thousand feet
high and we have no spiritual limbs.
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This, man, it's good news,
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it's the gospel.
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And so I think that's that's what,
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you know, motivated me. That's what
motivates my family.
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That's the motivation we have when we
train teenagers with dare to share
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all over the world. It's it's good news.
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Share it.
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lack of gospel access.
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humankind.
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You know, I
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know.
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live in a Buddhist culture. I spent
fifteen years in
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Mm.
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China, ~ which is a very secular and
atheistic culture,
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somewhat default to Buddhism, although
that's completely untrue,
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except in some cultural settings.
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but Thailand has this backdrop of
Theravada Buddhism,
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which is supposedly as close to Prince
Siddhartha,
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the original Buddha's clearest ~ form of
of Buddhism.
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And in this context, there is constantly
this drive and this pursuit
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of correcting people's karma. They call it
gam.
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Mm.
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Gam is karma in Thai. And so this
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Mm, mm.
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endless striving of not knowing where your
social score with God is,
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if you're doing good, how much percent did
you go up compared to if you
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did bad and what is bad? And there's
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Hm, mm.
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no absolutes. And it's a ongoing battle
that you'll go to seek counsel from
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the monks and pray for luck and pray for.
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And it it it's just such a a battle.
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And in some ways, do you think many
Christians might be doing this through
whether
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it be good works or you know, s many
different that we're we're not resting
fully
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on that chair, which is the full work of
Christ.
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We're constantly striving and striving in
our own strength.
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I I really do. I think that's a beautiful
~ parallel is we
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we embrace the latter. Like we often are
like we don't we don't know for you know,
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I find a lot of Christians that don't have
confidence in their salvation.
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Like they're nervous that they did
something that's gonna break that
relationship.
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And I think it leads to ~ either legalism
or hedonism,
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you know. ~
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And I've s I've seen it like the freedom
when people understand
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~ man that they've been born again into
the family of God.
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They're a child of God. You know,
431
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when they were building the Golden Gate
Bridge,
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~ you know, obviously nervous about people
falling and dying,
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so they constructed a net ~ part way
through,
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and ~ not only did you know nobody die as
a result.
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because if they fell, they fell into the
net because this is,
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you know, this huge bridge that,
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you know, it's people to to this day,
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you know, will try to commit suicide by
jumping off of it.
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Once that net was constructed,
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they produced twenty-five percent faster
work.
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~ the workers,
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because they had confidence that even if
they fall,
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they'd be caught. And I really think this
relationship with God.
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~ the the salvation that we have it's not
a license to sin it's a reason
445
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to serve it's like why would we not go all
in and serve Christ we have holy humble
446
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swagger because we have been saved by
faith alone through grace alone Jesus
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did the work he said it is finished and
that makes me want to run jump
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up grab my cross and joyfully like there's
a lot of Christians are like well
449
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if you're really saved you got to prove
that salvation and
450
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You're not picking up your cross daily.
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I'm like, man, I need to be a kid raised
in your house.
452
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Like, we don't treat our kids like that.
453
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You're not really my kid. If you don't
live by the family code,
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you know, I don't even know if you're
you're you've been born into our family.
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You mean you know, I mean like what the
heck?
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What a miserable Christian life,
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you know. ~ I mean what a miserable
miserable life being raised in
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a family like that. Well, we have a
father.
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It's not, you know, like again,
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I don't take sin lightly if there's sin in
the camp.
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We gotta deal with that stuff.
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you know, head on, I'm way harder on
Christians who are living in sin than
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I am an unbeliever, you know. ~ but
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we are saved by faith alone in Christ
alone,
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~ through grace alone. And I will preach
that even if I stand alone.
466
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The best news ever. Best news ever.
467
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Sounds
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like you need to start a podcast called ~
Commit to the Seat or something like that.
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Ditch the ladder. I don't know what it's
called.
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Or yeah, or maybe it's called
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So the ladder. That's right. Burn the
ladder.
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Holy Humble Swagger. I kind of like that.
473
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I'm getting this visual
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There you go.
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of you walking around with holy humble
swagger.
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I like it.
477
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Ha ha
478
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so for you, you ~ your whole family gets
saved.
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This is a I mean, it sounds crazy.
480
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Neighbors were probably like, what in the
world was happening in your family?
481
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Was there a defining moment? What's the
story that took you from that moment
482
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and you knew you realized your life is
going to be dedicated to sharing
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the gospel with others?
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So yeah, that's a really good,
485
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you know. I I think I knew from the time I
was in middle school something
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was churning, like okay, ~ but when I was
fifteen,
487
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I think this was what secured it for sure.
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my grandpa died.
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And my uncles, four of the five of them
were saved,
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right? Came to me at the hospital.
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in the waiting room and said, Hey,
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we want you to give the gospel and do the
sermon at dad's funeral.
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And I'm like, hey, I'm I'm fifteen guys.
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I'm a I'm a teenager.
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Get get a professional. And they're like,
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well, two things, you know, we're not
asking you.
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You know, I mean these guys are jacked.
498
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We're not asking you.
499
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And and the second thing is, what are you,
500
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a chicken? And I'm like, I'm not a
chicken,
501
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I'll do it. So I preached my grandpa's
funeral.
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The reason they wanted me to preach,
503
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because my Uncle Richard would be in the
audience.
504
00:24:43,382 --> 00:24:47,513
He lives in Phoenix. Our family lived in
Denver.
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And they wanted him to come to Christ.
506
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And they knew I'd give the gospel clearly,
507
00:24:53,615 --> 00:24:58,356
right? So I when I preach
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I got finished and I did the invitation.
509
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Many people came to Christ. My Uncle
Richard didn't.
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He did twelve years later in a church I
was pastoring at the time,
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some wow. Took some time for him,
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so praise the Lord for that. But in that
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00:25:08,162 --> 00:25:09,162
huh?
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moment, in that moment, I felt like this
515
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I am called to preach the gospel.
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Like I felt it. Like it wasn't a project,
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00:25:18,907 --> 00:25:20,808
it wasn't a homework assignment.
518
00:25:20,808 --> 00:25:24,039
It was like this is what I'm gonna do for
the rest my life.
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So
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Dude, that that sounds like a very
defining moment.
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00:25:29,184 --> 00:25:33,586
And there's something about ~ may maybe
the reason why I feel this sense
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of affinity with you and the things that
you're doing in Dare to Share Ministries,
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though I've never met you face to face,
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00:25:39,929 --> 00:25:44,597
I was mentored by a guy in China who
sounds very much like your uncle's.
525
00:25:44,597 --> 00:25:45,951
His name was Chuck Lenhart.
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00:25:45,512 --> 00:25:46,512
Mm.
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Passed away a couple of months ago.
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00:25:48,502 --> 00:25:52,524
Well, November last year in 2025.
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And I went I flew back for his
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Celebration of life. And he I mean,
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00:25:57,019 --> 00:26:00,171
he transformed my life in my early days in
China when I was
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00:26:00,171 --> 00:26:01,782
a young independent missionary.
533
00:26:01,782 --> 00:26:03,853
And he sounded like your uncle's.
534
00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:05,194
Hey Dave, we're going to the village.
535
00:26:05,194 --> 00:26:07,775
You better saddle up, buddy. And we'd be
playing,
536
00:26:07,274 --> 00:26:08,274
Yeah.
537
00:26:07,775 --> 00:26:11,657
you know, Take This Train Out of the City
by Leonard Skinnard on the way down
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to an unreached people group.
539
00:26:12,272 --> 00:26:13,272
Yeah, there you go.
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And ~ Petra, this means war. So John
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Mm.
542
00:26:17,849 --> 00:26:20,341
Schlit traveling with us to these
unreached people groups.
543
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And so it was.
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But he never told he never asked me,
545
00:26:23,521 --> 00:26:25,412
Hey, is it okay if we go to no,
546
00:26:25,412 --> 00:26:28,273
no, no. I it was expected. This is what
you're gonna do and you
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00:26:27,944 --> 00:26:28,944
Yeah.
548
00:26:28,273 --> 00:26:33,285
better get her done. And I I feel like
sometimes ~ man,
549
00:26:33,285 --> 00:26:39,628
young people especially appreciate ~ a
mentor sewing into their lives like that.
550
00:26:39,628 --> 00:26:42,289
And it sounds like that happened with you.
551
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:46,271
And then later, obviously, the formation
of the ministry God gave you.
552
00:26:47,847 --> 00:26:51,160
Totally. ~ you know, I f I feel like ~ you
know,
553
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,692
we need to be those mentors, first of all
to our kids.
554
00:26:53,692 --> 00:26:59,167
You know, I mean b both my k adult
children now you know,
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00:26:59,167 --> 00:27:00,458
they actively share their faith.
556
00:27:00,458 --> 00:27:04,732
And it's not primarily because they went
to Dare to share events growing up,
557
00:27:04,732 --> 00:27:08,825
they did and they went out and it's
because we did that as a family everywhere
558
00:27:08,825 --> 00:27:12,188
and you know, we I coached them and
encouraged them and challenged them
559
00:27:12,188 --> 00:27:15,331
and you know, we I would start a
conversation that would
560
00:27:15,565 --> 00:27:16,836
have them finish it. You know,
561
00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:18,686
it was evangelism was a family sport.
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00:27:18,686 --> 00:27:20,987
It wasn't it wasn't just for dad.
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And ~ and you know,
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both of them to this day, you know,
565
00:27:25,739 --> 00:27:27,820
bold witnesses for the Lord Jesus Christ.
566
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:31,952
And my wife is more lamb and I'm more
lion.
567
00:27:31,952 --> 00:27:33,782
And so it worked together as a family,
568
00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:39,965
~ just perfectly, you know. ~ so I just
think it's important we model that.
569
00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:42,086
And and I think also breaking down
strongholds,
570
00:27:42,086 --> 00:27:43,841
like some of your listeners maybe think,
571
00:27:43,841 --> 00:27:44,841
well that's for
572
00:27:45,433 --> 00:27:48,464
Evangelism is for our pastor. It's for you
know,
573
00:27:48,464 --> 00:27:52,905
David, it's for Greg, it's for it's for
people like that are you know,
574
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:54,316
the cut from the Billy Graham cloth.
575
00:27:54,316 --> 00:27:56,936
And I think ev evangelism is for everyone.
576
00:27:56,936 --> 00:28:00,307
I'm working on a new book called Out Loud
with Words,
577
00:28:00,307 --> 00:28:03,118
How to Naturally Share the Gospel with
Anyone,
578
00:28:03,118 --> 00:28:06,369
Anywhere, Anytime. Because, you know,
579
00:28:06,369 --> 00:28:09,270
I feel like we tend to hide behind well,
580
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:13,201
I'll just live the gospel. If necessary
I'll use words and I'm like,
581
00:28:13,721 --> 00:28:15,334
It's always necessary to use words.
582
00:28:15,334 --> 00:28:16,716
It's like two wings on a plane.
583
00:28:16,716 --> 00:28:19,440
You don't want you don't want to fly in a
one wing plane,
584
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,515
right? You have to live it and you have to
give it.
585
00:28:22,515 --> 00:28:25,771
~ out loud with words. And
586
00:28:25,406 --> 00:28:26,406
I he
587
00:28:25,856 --> 00:28:29,828
I immediately hear the nod to say
Augustine and the default of
588
00:28:29,828 --> 00:28:32,599
so many Christians who butchered his
original statement,
589
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,320
right? Preach the gospel at all times and
when necessary,
590
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,281
use words when we default to that.
591
00:28:38,281 --> 00:28:41,742
And I'm just gonna pay it forward by
paying for the guy's Starbucks behind
592
00:28:41,742 --> 00:28:43,362
me and hopefully he'll find Jesus.
593
00:28:43,362 --> 00:28:45,073
Doesn't sound like that's the book you're
writing.
594
00:28:46,265 --> 00:28:48,686
No, no, I I I I've adjusted that quote.
595
00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:51,357
Preach the gospel, ~ it's necessary,
596
00:28:51,357 --> 00:28:55,659
use words. And ~ we did Yankee,
597
00:28:55,659 --> 00:28:57,520
the Hillbilly preacher to reach my family,
598
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,661
he used to always say this, he's like,
599
00:28:59,661 --> 00:29:02,972
Well, I believe in doing good for people,
600
00:29:02,972 --> 00:29:07,514
but God didn't put us on this earth to
make it a better place to go to hell from.
601
00:29:07,514 --> 00:29:11,426
And I'm like, Whoa, man. I was lying,
602
00:29:11,426 --> 00:29:13,267
but it's true. Honestly.
603
00:29:14,021 --> 00:29:15,592
You know, I was raised in a poor family.
604
00:29:15,592 --> 00:29:18,713
I was raised in trailer courts and
apartment complexes by a single
605
00:29:18,713 --> 00:29:20,874
mom who qualified for government,
606
00:29:20,874 --> 00:29:22,775
you know, assistance and didn't take it.
607
00:29:22,775 --> 00:29:25,036
She was too proud. We struggled.
608
00:29:25,036 --> 00:29:30,358
Struggled. Once I heard the gospel and
believed it,
609
00:29:30,358 --> 00:29:33,059
I felt like the richest kid in the world.
610
00:29:33,059 --> 00:29:37,101
And that's what I think a lot of people
don't realize about poverty.
611
00:29:37,101 --> 00:29:39,692
Poverty is not just the absence of money.
612
00:29:39,692 --> 00:29:41,453
It's primarily the absence of hope.
613
00:29:42,963 --> 00:29:47,345
And when you have that hope, I'll say some
of the kids in the developing
614
00:29:48,045 --> 00:29:53,107
you know countries that I go to that know
Christ are so full of joy,
615
00:29:53,107 --> 00:29:56,049
and they may have one meal a day,
616
00:29:56,049 --> 00:30:00,490
you know, but they're so full of joy
because they have the richness of Christ.
617
00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:04,532
And yeah, we need to feed, I'm not we need
to feed the poor and help
618
00:30:04,532 --> 00:30:06,853
the hurting and all that, you know,
619
00:30:06,853 --> 00:30:10,665
as believers in Christ. Jesus had a
healing ministry and we need to be
healing,
620
00:30:10,665 --> 00:30:11,665
we need a prayer.
621
00:30:11,527 --> 00:30:13,388
Prayer, care, and share, right?
622
00:30:13,458 --> 00:30:14,458
Mm. Yeah.
623
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:16,290
But if we don't share the gospel with
them,
624
00:30:16,290 --> 00:30:22,424
my goodness, it's like having a cure to
cancer and going seeing your best friend
625
00:30:22,424 --> 00:30:26,807
who's got cancer at the hospital and
fluffing their pillow and giving them
626
00:30:26,807 --> 00:30:31,413
a drink of water and changing the channel
for them and then leaving the room.
627
00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:34,461
I'm like, well, give them the cure.
628
00:30:34,461 --> 00:30:35,712
Do all that other
629
00:30:34,942 --> 00:30:35,942
Exactly.
630
00:30:35,712 --> 00:30:37,933
stuff, but give them the cure.
631
00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:39,504
Amen
632
00:30:38,984 --> 00:30:42,856
to that. When you shared a second ago
about a family sport,
633
00:30:42,856 --> 00:30:45,877
you called it. Sounds like there's some
competitions about sharing
634
00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:48,448
the gospel around there. ~ you know,
635
00:30:48,448 --> 00:30:53,870
my my daughter, ~ last year we went from
Thailand back to the States
636
00:30:54,429 --> 00:30:57,831
and we're visiting family. She was seven
years old at the time,
637
00:30:57,831 --> 00:31:01,753
and ~ she joined her forever family,
638
00:31:01,753 --> 00:31:07,635
my youngest ~ at age two when we brought
her home and adopted her into our family.
639
00:31:08,263 --> 00:31:10,904
And I've just watched this little life
transform.
640
00:31:10,904 --> 00:31:17,108
And she is so somehow the gospel has
transformed her at a very young age.
641
00:31:17,108 --> 00:31:20,209
Perhaps it's because of trauma and her
understanding of her identity
642
00:31:20,209 --> 00:31:22,181
and her history. I'm not sure what it
643
00:31:21,809 --> 00:31:22,809
Sure.
644
00:31:22,181 --> 00:31:27,673
is. But somehow the gospel has formed so
very clearly and is so beautiful.
645
00:31:27,673 --> 00:31:31,315
We went to a Forest Frank concert with a
couple other friends.
646
00:31:31,315 --> 00:31:34,467
And before that, we met up at this Thai
restaurant.
647
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:36,438
Well, my daughters can't live without
rice,
648
00:31:36,438 --> 00:31:37,779
and we're in America, so we're
649
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:38,919
You
650
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:40,461
know, looking everywhere trying to find
this Thai restaurant.
651
00:31:40,461 --> 00:31:46,015
She's Thai. And so we go. And the girl
that was serving us was from Chiang Mai,
652
00:31:46,015 --> 00:31:50,129
Thailand. In fact, like just around the
corner from our house here where
653
00:31:50,129 --> 00:31:52,181
I am right now. And my youngest,
654
00:31:52,181 --> 00:31:54,373
she's seven years old. She's she's like,
655
00:31:54,373 --> 00:31:55,844
my gosh, she's from Chiang Mai.
656
00:31:55,844 --> 00:31:58,347
I'm from Chiang Mai. And then she just
starts talking.
657
00:31:58,347 --> 00:32:02,759
Hey, do you have a Bible? This she's the
waitress at the restaurant.
658
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,362
No, what's a Bible? You don't know what a
Bible is.
659
00:32:05,362 --> 00:32:06,903
This is the story of Jesus.
660
00:32:07,435 --> 00:32:12,418
Do you know Jesus? And she's just having
this very simplistic and
661
00:32:12,418 --> 00:32:17,881
yet very innocent and lovely ~ time of
sharing the gospel with this girl.
662
00:32:17,881 --> 00:32:22,823
And in the end, we we prayed for her and
she didn't accept the Lord,
663
00:32:22,823 --> 00:32:25,205
but there was this clear gospel
presentation,
664
00:32:25,205 --> 00:32:27,216
perhaps for the first time in her life,
665
00:32:27,216 --> 00:32:30,067
as Thailand is less than one percent
Christian.
666
00:32:30,067 --> 00:32:31,067
~
667
00:32:30,107 --> 00:32:31,107
Mm, mm.
668
00:32:31,608 --> 00:32:36,841
I love those stories of of young kids
stepping out of their comfort zones.
669
00:32:37,228 --> 00:32:40,860
Can you tell me a story of of one of these
moments where either you share
670
00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:43,712
the gospel to a young person or a young
person shared it to someone else?
671
00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:48,245
Some transformative story that actually
worked and impacted someone's life.
672
00:32:49,636 --> 00:32:51,928
I mean, I got lots of stories about
teenagers,
673
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:54,169
you know, we've been doing this for thirty
five years.
674
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:58,612
I tell you what ~ one of the most
impacting for me was my son when he was
five.
675
00:32:58,612 --> 00:33:03,776
~ it was after church and we were I
676
00:33:03,776 --> 00:33:08,169
was going to the store to get some snacks
to watch the Denver Broncos play
677
00:33:08,169 --> 00:33:12,061
and I was in kind of in a hurry and ~ and
I'm running down,
678
00:33:12,061 --> 00:33:15,754
you know, the aisles. I go to the bottled
water and juice aisle and my
679
00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:18,766
son goes well the lady who was there who
looked
680
00:33:18,928 --> 00:33:22,450
discombobulated, hair is all matted and
she goes,
681
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:25,031
Sir, can you help me read the price tags
on the bottle water?
682
00:33:25,031 --> 00:33:29,264
'Cause I lost my glasses and so I helped
her and I'm not even thinking about
683
00:33:29,264 --> 00:33:32,585
evangelizing, honestly. I just want to get
out of there.
684
00:33:32,585 --> 00:33:35,427
And so she goes, Yeah, I'm just a mess.
685
00:33:35,427 --> 00:33:37,648
And you know, you know you start talking,
686
00:33:37,648 --> 00:33:39,029
you you know they want to talk.
687
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:41,258
And you're in a hurry. And you're like,
688
00:33:41,258 --> 00:33:43,681
~ yeah. I I go, why? And she says,
689
00:33:43,681 --> 00:33:48,194
I I lost my glasses and and I'm
discombobulated because my dog died.
690
00:33:49,646 --> 00:33:51,352
And you know, I can't leave now.
691
00:33:51,352 --> 00:33:53,931
I mean, if it was her cat, I would just
been like good luck,
692
00:33:53,931 --> 00:33:55,546
life's hard, but it was her dog.
693
00:33:55,546 --> 00:33:56,546
So
694
00:33:55,603 --> 00:33:56,603
Okay, you're obviously
695
00:33:56,575 --> 00:33:58,535
a dog guy, not a cat guy. Got it.
696
00:33:58,820 --> 00:34:03,191
I have a dog guy. And so he so she goes,
697
00:34:03,191 --> 00:34:05,652
Yeah, my I had a one year old great dane
puppy that ran out in the middle
698
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:07,072
of the street, got hit by a car.
699
00:34:07,072 --> 00:34:09,353
And then she starts tearing up.
700
00:34:09,353 --> 00:34:12,284
And I'm like, no, please don't cry.
701
00:34:12,284 --> 00:34:13,284
I'm thinking, please don't cry,
702
00:34:13,274 --> 00:34:14,694
lady, please don't cry. You know,
703
00:34:14,694 --> 00:34:17,155
I'm not good around crying. It's like
they're on fire.
704
00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:19,336
I'm like, stop drop and roll, please don't
cry,
705
00:34:19,336 --> 00:34:22,887
you know. And my son, who's five,
706
00:34:22,887 --> 00:34:25,757
he goes, That's okay, lady. Your dog's in
doggy heaven,
707
00:34:25,757 --> 00:34:27,028
and you can go to heaven too. Dad,
708
00:34:27,028 --> 00:34:28,028
tell her the gospel.
709
00:34:29,173 --> 00:34:30,227
Set you up. Good.
710
00:34:29,977 --> 00:34:30,977
And
711
00:34:30,867 --> 00:34:33,208
I'm like, you tell her the gospel.
712
00:34:33,208 --> 00:34:37,869
Cause I trained him a ~ when he was five
in this thing called the gospel hand.
713
00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:39,798
So he holds up his hand, he goes,
714
00:34:39,798 --> 00:34:42,530
God loves me, I have sinned, Christ died
for me.
715
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:45,001
If I believe, I will go to heaven.
716
00:34:45,001 --> 00:34:46,381
He goes, Lady, if you believe in Jesus,
717
00:34:46,381 --> 00:34:47,552
you go to heaven with your dog.
718
00:34:47,552 --> 00:34:50,712
And she starts crying. She goes,
719
00:34:50,712 --> 00:34:55,884
I'm so mad at God, she goes, I had lost my
dog in a traffic in traffic.
720
00:34:55,884 --> 00:34:56,884
Then
721
00:34:56,746 --> 00:35:01,170
I and I bought that dog to cover me in my
grief because I had lost my son to cancer.
722
00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:03,952
I'm so mad at God. She's screaming.
723
00:35:03,952 --> 00:35:06,374
Everybody's looking at the meltdown in
Isle 9.
724
00:35:06,374 --> 00:35:10,057
But now I'm in, right? And I'm locked in.
725
00:35:10,057 --> 00:35:12,610
And my son and I mean he won't shut up.
726
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:14,851
He's like, God loves me. I have to go back
it off,
727
00:35:14,851 --> 00:35:16,283
boy. This is what dad gets paid to do.
728
00:35:16,283 --> 00:35:18,875
And we're both she ends up collapsing her
arms,
729
00:35:18,875 --> 00:35:22,628
crying. We prayed right there in the
King's I mean the King Supers grocery
store
730
00:35:22,828 --> 00:35:24,666
just up the street here. And
731
00:35:25,176 --> 00:35:26,232
invited her out to our church.
732
00:35:26,232 --> 00:35:29,009
It was one of those moments where
733
00:35:31,842 --> 00:35:35,981
My son saw her.
734
00:35:38,276 --> 00:35:41,580
You know, what I what I thought was gonna
be a distraction and hold me back
735
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:46,015
and he saw her and he knew what was most
important.
736
00:35:46,015 --> 00:35:52,312
And it just, you know, remind I always
think about that story and I was like,
737
00:35:52,312 --> 00:35:53,703
Man, I don't wanna pass people by.
738
00:35:53,703 --> 00:35:56,006
You know, and
739
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:56,345
Stopping stop
740
00:35:56,365 --> 00:35:58,257
stopping for the ones like Jesus did.
741
00:35:58,257 --> 00:36:00,580
The Lazarus ~
742
00:35:59,568 --> 00:36:00,568
Stopping for the ones.
743
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:03,624
you know, Zacchaeus is in the tree,
744
00:36:03,624 --> 00:36:05,847
the woman who's reaching for
745
00:36:05,445 --> 00:36:06,445
Yeah.
746
00:36:05,847 --> 00:36:06,879
the hem of his garment.
747
00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:10,301
So
748
00:36:09,488 --> 00:36:10,488
That's it. And
749
00:36:09,702 --> 00:36:10,702
if it
750
00:36:10,165 --> 00:36:11,267
they're all around us.
751
00:36:12,597 --> 00:36:14,078
Who won the Broncos game that day?
752
00:36:15,194 --> 00:36:16,653
I don't remember. Doesn't matter.
753
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:21,390
Isn't it funny how we get so distracted by
these things that are so menial?
754
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:23,882
You wouldn't have remembered even if you
watched the game,
755
00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:25,774
I'll bet you. Even if you w got home,
756
00:36:25,774 --> 00:36:27,906
got your water, ditched the lady and got
home,
757
00:36:27,906 --> 00:36:30,549
and I would have said, Hey, who won the
Broncos game that day?
758
00:36:30,549 --> 00:36:31,893
Would you remember? I don't
759
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:32,290
Yeah.
760
00:36:31,893 --> 00:36:33,832
know, maybe, if it was an awesome game.
761
00:36:33,832 --> 00:36:38,737
But we're so sidetracked by the menial
things and mundane things of life that
762
00:36:38,737 --> 00:36:41,019
we think have eternal value when in fact
they don't.
763
00:36:41,019 --> 00:36:42,019
What do you think?
764
00:36:42,432 --> 00:36:48,695
has changed most in the last twenty-five
years of evangelism or evangelistic
styles.
765
00:36:48,695 --> 00:36:52,556
We've seen pictures of people on a soapbox
with a bullhorn,
766
00:36:52,556 --> 00:36:56,098
placards, turner burn. ~ you know,
767
00:36:56,098 --> 00:36:57,979
what has changed in the last 25 years?
768
00:36:59,492 --> 00:37:01,152
Well, I mean, I think, you know,
769
00:37:01,152 --> 00:37:02,893
for us what's changed is we you know,
770
00:37:02,893 --> 00:37:04,993
we've we we've learned how to engage,
771
00:37:04,993 --> 00:37:07,594
not enrage. Like how do you have a
conversation,
772
00:37:07,594 --> 00:37:10,145
not just make a presentation, which is
different,
773
00:37:10,145 --> 00:37:13,906
you know. ~ I think in the church
774
00:37:15,886 --> 00:37:19,547
we have substituted evangelism for
invitation.
775
00:37:19,547 --> 00:37:23,408
So like we do a lot of come and see,
776
00:37:23,408 --> 00:37:26,429
we don't do a lot of go and tell.
777
00:37:26,429 --> 00:37:28,900
And I think come and see is great.
778
00:37:29,146 --> 00:37:32,878
But for every one that will come and see
there's ninety nine who won't.
779
00:37:32,878 --> 00:37:35,010
So my question is who will reach the
ninety nine?
780
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:41,313
You know? And I think that's where we have
to own that personally,
781
00:37:41,313 --> 00:37:44,375
you know, and not just leave it to the
professional.
782
00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:48,122
I think, you know,
783
00:37:48,122 --> 00:37:49,122
~
784
00:37:51,642 --> 00:37:57,624
There's been a young shift around the
world toward
785
00:37:57,624 --> 00:38:01,245
a spiritual hunger, even in places like
Europe.
786
00:38:01,245 --> 00:38:06,726
~ I think that's a what I would say that's
an opportunity
787
00:38:07,366 --> 00:38:09,607
for evangelism that we have to seize now.
788
00:38:09,607 --> 00:38:14,468
'cause I've never I've never seen the
openness in the United States like
789
00:38:14,468 --> 00:38:16,229
we have right now. It's crazy,
790
00:38:16,229 --> 00:38:17,929
you know. And
791
00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:18,375
Yeah.
792
00:38:18,029 --> 00:38:20,410
everywhere we go, I mean it's there's a
there's a
793
00:38:21,122 --> 00:38:24,514
Openness to engage the conversation.
794
00:38:24,244 --> 00:38:25,244
~
795
00:38:24,544 --> 00:38:29,457
absolutely true. And y you see this
spiritual hunger statistics.
796
00:38:29,457 --> 00:38:32,549
Even Barno will put out reports about how
Gen Zers,
797
00:38:32,549 --> 00:38:36,331
Gen Alpha are either buying Bibles,
798
00:38:36,331 --> 00:38:39,883
attending church, attracted to spiritual
things.
799
00:38:39,883 --> 00:38:41,234
That's not always a good thing,
800
00:38:41,234 --> 00:38:46,857
but it can certainly be a tool that we ~
mold and shape toward Christ,
801
00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:50,069
~ if we choose to do so. And
802
00:38:50,517 --> 00:38:52,588
the the the passion of a young generation.
803
00:38:52,588 --> 00:38:54,569
I love that you've carried this so long.
804
00:38:54,569 --> 00:38:56,791
Tell me a little bit about Dare to Share.
805
00:38:56,791 --> 00:38:59,372
how long have you guys existed?
806
00:38:59,372 --> 00:39:05,276
What do you do? I know you even have a day
of day of global youth evangelism coming
807
00:39:05,007 --> 00:39:06,007
Yeah.
808
00:39:05,276 --> 00:39:06,276
up.
809
00:39:05,957 --> 00:39:09,909
And ~ tell me about the passion the
ministry God's given you on your heart.
810
00:39:10,863 --> 00:39:13,304
Sure, yeah, you know, I love young people.
811
00:39:13,304 --> 00:39:15,087
~ teenagers come to Christ quicker,
812
00:39:15,087 --> 00:39:16,458
they spread the gospel faster.
813
00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:20,861
~ I'm convinced that most of the disciples
were teenagers and begin following after
814
00:39:20,861 --> 00:39:24,064
Christ. And when you think of Jesus as a
youth leader,
815
00:39:24,064 --> 00:39:26,026
it reframes everything, you know.
816
00:39:26,026 --> 00:39:28,448
~ you start thinking, Man, my goodness,
817
00:39:28,448 --> 00:39:31,290
he changed the world with a sm a small
youth group.
818
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,894
changed the world. And ~ we have his same
spirit dwelling inside of us.
819
00:39:35,894 --> 00:39:39,557
So ~ started thirty five years ago.
820
00:39:40,537 --> 00:39:44,250
pastor started Dare to Share on the side
after the Columbine High School shooting.
821
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:46,421
~ happened in Denver, Colorado,
822
00:39:46,421 --> 00:39:48,212
April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine.
823
00:39:48,212 --> 00:39:50,784
I resigned from the church to do Dare to
Share full time.
824
00:39:50,784 --> 00:39:53,446
And we started with primarily b large,
825
00:39:53,446 --> 00:39:55,788
you know, small events that grew to large
events,
826
00:39:55,788 --> 00:39:59,163
that grew to arena events. Like we were
filling arenas,
827
00:39:59,163 --> 00:40:03,203
you know, across the United States with
tens of thousands of teenagers training,
828
00:40:03,203 --> 00:40:06,515
equipping, mobilizing. And every Dare to
share event we've ever done,
829
00:40:06,515 --> 00:40:08,457
we always take the kids out sharing the
gospel.
830
00:40:08,457 --> 00:40:09,457
So they all
831
00:40:09,123 --> 00:40:11,894
I'll go out. So we've had up to nine
thousand students,
832
00:40:11,894 --> 00:40:15,887
~ like trained, equipped, and in that
afternoon they go out and do it,
833
00:40:15,887 --> 00:40:19,659
you know. Ten years ago, just over ten
years ago,
834
00:40:19,659 --> 00:40:24,461
eleven years ago now, I was in Israel and
I was there with 180 ministry leaders from
835
00:40:24,461 --> 00:40:28,213
fifty-three countries and found out a lot
of them were using dare
836
00:40:28,213 --> 00:40:29,624
to share material and I was like,
837
00:40:29,624 --> 00:40:32,816
What, you are? And this big South African,
838
00:40:32,816 --> 00:40:35,867
Don Olding, goes, Bro, you must go global.
839
00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:38,689
And I'm like, Yeah, you know, I don't
know.
840
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:41,545
How to do that. I'm a train wreck in my
own country.
841
00:40:41,545 --> 00:40:42,986
I'm not sure it'll work. He goes,
842
00:40:42,986 --> 00:40:45,597
Brew, it works. We use your stuff.
843
00:40:45,597 --> 00:40:51,650
And so on Manor Bell where the Great
Commission ~ most likely took place.
844
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:55,072
~ I heard a sermon on the Great Commission
845
00:40:55,072 --> 00:41:00,309
and just ran up to ~
846
00:41:00,309 --> 00:41:03,866
the my two cohorts that were there and
said,
847
00:41:03,866 --> 00:41:05,107
God's given me the green light,
848
00:41:05,107 --> 00:41:09,039
let's do this. And took a picture actually
849
00:41:09,409 --> 00:41:15,161
Right above my desk there's a picture of
our three hands
850
00:41:15,161 --> 00:41:17,671
in the middle saying yes.
851
00:41:16,499 --> 00:41:17,510
And where are you at right there?
852
00:41:18,412 --> 00:41:19,832
Israel, Mount Arbel.
853
00:41:20,188 --> 00:41:21,188
Wow.
854
00:41:20,772 --> 00:41:23,643
Yeah. And so didn't know how to do it.
855
00:41:23,643 --> 00:41:28,614
~ didn't want to do it like a typical
American coming in telling everybody what
856
00:41:28,614 --> 00:41:34,576
to do. So I just said the Lord open up
doors and he did and and
857
00:41:34,576 --> 00:41:37,957
now we have sixty-five thousand what we
call gospel advancing leaders around
858
00:41:37,957 --> 00:41:38,957
the world.
859
00:41:38,701 --> 00:41:43,423
That are youth leaders primarily that are
implementing these strategies in,
860
00:41:43,423 --> 00:41:49,515
you know, hundred plus countries and ~ the
goal is every teen everywhere hearing
861
00:41:49,515 --> 00:41:51,766
the gospel from a friend. So to do that,
862
00:41:51,766 --> 00:41:54,307
~ we make our curriculum free,
863
00:41:54,307 --> 00:41:58,069
you know, so we have seventy six
curriculums that are all completely free
864
00:41:58,069 --> 00:42:00,840
of charge and any youth leader I've talked
to youth leaders around
865
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,282
the world who've used our our tr
curriculum for years that are
866
00:42:04,282 --> 00:42:07,593
so grateful because America tends to
charge
867
00:42:08,353 --> 00:42:10,414
A lot of stuff, and so we just give it
away.
868
00:42:10,414 --> 00:42:12,787
We do a day of global youth evangelism,
869
00:42:12,787 --> 00:42:17,761
which is two hours of pre-filmed in a TV
studio with global,
870
00:42:17,761 --> 00:42:22,845
awesome youth speakers and drama and MCs.
871
00:42:22,845 --> 00:42:28,400
We we two hours worth of inspiration and
training that we film will film this
872
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,191
summer, and we film every summer,
873
00:42:30,191 --> 00:42:34,795
and then we make it available free of
charge on the second Saturday of November,
874
00:42:34,795 --> 00:42:36,537
November 14th.
875
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,792
youth leaders download it, they show it to
their kids.
876
00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:44,194
It's very interactive. It feels like a
live event.
877
00:42:44,194 --> 00:42:49,438
They post on Instagram and around the
world you can see the hashtag,
878
00:42:49,438 --> 00:42:52,279
you know, Day of Global Youth Evangelism
or DGYE.
879
00:42:52,279 --> 00:42:57,412
The one requirement, like if you don't
agree to this,
880
00:42:57,412 --> 00:43:00,844
we won't let you sign up. Because you have
to take the students out
881
00:43:00,844 --> 00:43:01,844
to share the gospel.
882
00:43:04,055 --> 00:43:05,897
Number one attending country last year,
883
00:43:05,897 --> 00:43:08,229
number three was the US, number two was
Argentina,
884
00:43:08,229 --> 00:43:09,961
it's English, Spanish, Portuguese,
885
00:43:09,961 --> 00:43:12,553
and we're gonna add Arabic and French this
year.
886
00:43:12,553 --> 00:43:16,077
~ but the number one country was Nigeria.
887
00:43:16,731 --> 00:43:20,563
Really? Wow. Do you see the shift in
global
888
00:43:18,925 --> 00:43:20,397
Yeah. There were more cr
889
00:43:20,563 --> 00:43:24,074
missions from a former mission field to a
mission force?
890
00:43:25,111 --> 00:43:29,425
my goodness, thousands of teenage
Nigerians out,
891
00:43:29,425 --> 00:43:31,927
like risking their lives sharing the
gospel.
892
00:43:31,927 --> 00:43:36,281
So yeah, I'm at my prayer this year is
that we'll have over a million
893
00:43:36,281 --> 00:43:39,123
~ young people trained, equipped,
894
00:43:39,123 --> 00:43:42,406
and mobilized. And again, restricted
countries where we have you know ideas
895
00:43:42,406 --> 00:43:44,278
for if you live in a restricted country,
896
00:43:44,278 --> 00:43:46,339
how do you do that effectively?
897
00:43:46,339 --> 00:43:49,242
You know, which will end up with those
kids in a co you know,
898
00:43:49,242 --> 00:43:52,495
a tea you know, tea or coffee shop talking
to a friend.
899
00:43:53,007 --> 00:43:54,288
About the gospel, which is great,
900
00:43:54,288 --> 00:43:57,341
you know. And so, yeah, I mean,
901
00:43:57,341 --> 00:44:01,805
~ I just encourage youth leaders to check
out dare to share.org.
902
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:03,766
It's the number two, dare to share dot
org.
903
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,548
Or if you know a youth leader,
904
00:44:05,548 --> 00:44:07,350
and just raid the refrigerator.
905
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:10,052
We have so much free stuff to help.
906
00:44:10,052 --> 00:44:11,343
And all this stuff is transferable.
907
00:44:11,343 --> 00:44:13,195
We have an app called Life in Six Words,
908
00:44:13,195 --> 00:44:17,519
tons of tools and resources that we have
entire churches use,
909
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,991
~ even though we're focused on youth.
910
00:44:21,782 --> 00:44:24,473
Dude, I love that. And what are you
thinking?
911
00:44:24,473 --> 00:44:26,193
There's a terrible business model,
912
00:44:26,193 --> 00:44:29,914
and I love it. Giving stuff away for the
gospel,
913
00:44:29,914 --> 00:44:32,275
empowering others. And in some way,
914
00:44:32,275 --> 00:44:36,446
you remind me of what so many
cross-cultural,
915
00:44:36,446 --> 00:44:41,357
cross-linguistic, cross-geographic
missionaries hope to see happen,
916
00:44:41,357 --> 00:44:45,358
which is CPM or DMM disciple
multiplication movements,
917
00:44:45,358 --> 00:44:48,559
church planting movements, and that only
happens.
918
00:44:49,035 --> 00:44:52,137
Through a multiplicative strategy or
approach.
919
00:44:52,137 --> 00:44:56,400
By giving away these things, you are
empowering a generation.
920
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,082
~ I was just watching a video on your on
your website,
921
00:45:00,082 --> 00:45:05,325
and ~ you guys are talking about how
gospel advancing youth
922
00:45:05,686 --> 00:45:11,590
~ a group that shares the gospel grows
much faster.
923
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:13,351
I can't remember the specific details.
924
00:45:12,442 --> 00:45:13,442
Yeah.
925
00:45:13,532 --> 00:45:17,584
And it got me thinking, what what is this
growth for?
926
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:21,344
What what do you want to see in the end?
927
00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:25,848
Are you looking for more numbers and
growth is the end goal or is health
928
00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:29,862
the end goal? What is the ministry and
maybe more so personally?
929
00:45:29,862 --> 00:45:34,035
What is your ultimate aim as an individual
and a ministry leader?
930
00:45:35,437 --> 00:45:38,618
Yeah, health or numbers. I would say
health then numbers.
931
00:45:38,618 --> 00:45:40,708
So when you have a healthy youth group,
932
00:45:40,708 --> 00:45:42,399
it leads to numb it leads to growth.
933
00:45:42,399 --> 00:45:44,139
If you're healthy physically, you you
know,
934
00:45:44,139 --> 00:45:46,160
you as a kid you you grow, right?
935
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,321
~ so our ultimate goal is simple.
936
00:45:50,321 --> 00:45:53,252
It's every teen everywhere hearing the
gospel from a friend,
937
00:45:53,252 --> 00:46:00,224
right? our mission is to energize the
church to mobilize their youth
938
00:46:00,584 --> 00:46:04,857
to gospalize the world. ~ and our strategy
is
939
00:46:05,423 --> 00:46:09,056
to you know provide the tools and
resources and curriculum and coaching
940
00:46:09,056 --> 00:46:12,988
and training that youth leaders around the
world need to build
941
00:46:12,988 --> 00:46:15,480
a gospel advancing disciple multiplying
culture.
942
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,844
And ~ I believe the Great Commission can
be accomplished through young people.
943
00:46:20,844 --> 00:46:22,385
~
944
00:46:21,524 --> 00:46:22,524
Amen.
945
00:46:23,285 --> 00:46:24,826
they c again they come to Christ quicker,
946
00:46:24,826 --> 00:46:26,147
they spread the gospel faster,
947
00:46:26,147 --> 00:46:27,888
their brains aren't fully developed.
948
00:46:27,888 --> 00:46:31,411
You know, if you know w last which is an
advantage,
949
00:46:31,411 --> 00:46:33,312
like you know, that's why they take risks,
950
00:46:32,532 --> 00:46:34,343
yeah. Who needs a frontal cortex,
951
00:46:33,312 --> 00:46:34,312
you know.
952
00:46:34,343 --> 00:46:35,740
man? You got that passion fire.
953
00:46:36,217 --> 00:46:37,928
Let's rock, let's go. You know,
954
00:46:37,928 --> 00:46:44,363
when a year ago we had our con ~ our
driveway ~ redone and they had to take
955
00:46:44,363 --> 00:46:49,967
the you know big tractors and jackhammers
and break apart all the concrete
956
00:46:50,367 --> 00:46:52,709
and then move it, that was the longest
part of the process,
957
00:46:52,709 --> 00:46:56,161
right? And once they got all that moved
and smoothed,
958
00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:58,613
then they set the forms and pour the
cement.
959
00:46:58,613 --> 00:47:03,146
With adult ministry, you you need a
jackhammer.
960
00:47:04,386 --> 00:47:06,087
Or strongholds that need to be broken
down.
961
00:47:06,087 --> 00:47:08,459
It's you know, but the younger you go,
962
00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:11,571
the more it's like you just set the forms
and pour the cement.
963
00:47:11,571 --> 00:47:13,483
And once that cement is formed,
964
00:47:13,483 --> 00:47:16,545
like my kids, I believe they will always
share their faith.
965
00:47:16,545 --> 00:47:18,797
Now they're adults. I believe they'll
share their faith for
966
00:47:18,797 --> 00:47:21,008
the lifetime because they've been formed
that way.
967
00:47:21,008 --> 00:47:23,810
So again, we need adult ministry.
968
00:47:23,810 --> 00:47:27,673
I'm not patient enough to work with just
adults.
969
00:47:27,673 --> 00:47:30,976
I'm not. I was like, man, if we're gonna
get the numbers.
970
00:47:32,526 --> 00:47:33,997
Then we gotta go where the getting's good.
971
00:47:33,997 --> 00:47:37,869
If you know, if I was a business guy and I
knew eighty percent
972
00:47:37,869 --> 00:47:40,981
of a certain constituency was most likely
to buy my product,
973
00:47:40,981 --> 00:47:43,702
I'd put a hundred percent of my marketing
into that constituency.
974
00:47:43,702 --> 00:47:47,345
Well, eighty percent of those ish of those
that come to Christ do it
975
00:47:47,345 --> 00:47:50,086
by the time they're eighteen. You know,
976
00:47:50,086 --> 00:47:53,108
so we gotta get young. And that means
977
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:53,670
Amen.
978
00:47:53,108 --> 00:47:56,230
for parents, you know, you are the
ultimate youth leader.
979
00:47:56,230 --> 00:48:00,012
You know, you're the it's not your youth
leader's job.
980
00:48:00,620 --> 00:48:03,101
Your primary job, they're B, they're the B
team,
981
00:48:03,101 --> 00:48:08,422
right? You're the A team. So you have to
start modeling evangelism.
982
00:48:08,422 --> 00:48:09,813
You have to start living this out.
983
00:48:09,813 --> 00:48:10,933
You have to coach your students.
984
00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:15,004
You have to get good at this. Because if
you just teach them to read their Bibles
985
00:48:15,824 --> 00:48:17,575
and have sound theology, which are good,
986
00:48:17,575 --> 00:48:19,485
and you know, and and you know,
987
00:48:19,485 --> 00:48:22,766
go to church and all this stuff which are
imp crucial,
988
00:48:22,766 --> 00:48:25,417
but you're not equipping them to share
their faith.
989
00:48:25,417 --> 00:48:29,078
It's like pouring milk into a sponge and
leaving it there.
990
00:48:30,232 --> 00:48:34,416
We need to equip them, we need to pour in
the milk of God's word into their soul
991
00:48:34,636 --> 00:48:36,658
and then have them squeeze it out to
others.
992
00:48:36,658 --> 00:48:38,590
Then they come back thirsty for more.
993
00:48:40,148 --> 00:48:43,829
Yeah. Another visual I'm getting there.
994
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:45,590
I can almost see that happening.
995
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:48,071
Someone's squeezing that sponge.
996
00:48:48,071 --> 00:48:49,111
~
997
00:48:49,145 --> 00:48:50,145
Yeah.
998
00:48:49,752 --> 00:48:51,462
let's say someone's listening right now.
999
00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,194
They're like, Okay, it sounds too simple,
1000
00:48:55,194 --> 00:48:58,615
almost too good to be true. I don't know
why you're seeing the fruit you're seeing,
1001
00:48:58,615 --> 00:49:00,856
because we've been knocking our heads
against a wall.
1002
00:49:00,856 --> 00:49:05,147
What are a couple simple and effective
steps to take?
1003
00:49:05,147 --> 00:49:07,328
Just the first few. Like, man,
1004
00:49:07,328 --> 00:49:09,719
I I got saved. It was
1005
00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:12,543
It was maybe not as radical as Greg's
deer,
1006
00:49:12,543 --> 00:49:16,078
but man, my life was changed. And now
1007
00:49:15,673 --> 00:49:16,673
Yeah.
1008
00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:19,683
I just I I wanted to share with my faith
and I kind of did at the beginning,
1009
00:49:19,683 --> 00:49:23,328
but it's been a while, man. I haven't
shared in a while.
1010
00:49:23,328 --> 00:49:26,323
What are the give what are a few simple
steps that they can start with?
1011
00:49:27,032 --> 00:49:29,804
You know, my buddy Dave Gibson,
1012
00:49:29,804 --> 00:49:33,037
he prays for Bob every day. B O B.
1013
00:49:33,037 --> 00:49:38,522
A burden for the lost. The O is an
opportunity to share Christ that day,
1014
00:49:38,522 --> 00:49:42,745
and the B is the boldness to walk through
that door when God opens it.
1015
00:49:42,745 --> 00:49:45,087
So start praying for Bob every day.
1016
00:49:45,087 --> 00:49:48,370
A burden, opportunity, and boldness.
1017
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:49,982
That is a prayer
1018
00:49:49,547 --> 00:49:50,547
Bob.
1019
00:49:49,982 --> 00:49:52,053
that God loves to answer. Pray for Bob.
1020
00:49:52,053 --> 00:49:54,976
What about Bob? Yeah.
1021
00:49:52,587 --> 00:49:53,587
Pray for Bob.
1022
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:58,732
Awesome, man. I I love how Greg,
1023
00:49:58,732 --> 00:50:01,985
you not only have the simplicity about
you,
1024
00:50:01,985 --> 00:50:04,457
but somehow there's the there's that
humility.
1025
00:50:04,457 --> 00:50:05,828
What did you call it a while ago?
1026
00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:09,041
The holy, humble swagger. Man,
1027
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:08,740
Humble swagger.
1028
00:50:09,041 --> 00:50:10,041
I can see
1029
00:50:09,432 --> 00:50:10,833
the podcast coming out for that.
1030
00:50:10,833 --> 00:50:13,185
I'd subscribe just just so you know.
1031
00:50:11,598 --> 00:50:13,453
There you go. Come on, come on.
1032
00:50:14,746 --> 00:50:20,311
Ben, yeah, thank you so much for just a
lifetime ~ dedicated to.
1033
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,504
To radically sharing your faith in a way
that in in my world
1034
00:50:25,504 --> 00:50:29,537
I would call contextualized. It means the
listeners get it.
1035
00:50:29,537 --> 00:50:31,859
They could grab on a hold of what you're
saying.
1036
00:50:31,859 --> 00:50:36,222
That's the constant struggle in the
overseas missionary ~ community.
1037
00:50:36,222 --> 00:50:38,965
How do you contextualize the gospel to
your listeners?
1038
00:50:38,965 --> 00:50:40,696
Because of course we're dealing with
cross-linguistic,
1039
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cross-cultural, which of course you have
done too.
1040
00:50:43,258 --> 00:50:49,393
But man, staying faithful and and
challenging the church as a lion might.
1041
00:50:49,503 --> 00:50:53,546
do but being graceful to those who are
outside the four walls.
1042
00:50:55,364 --> 00:50:57,736
Let's do it. Yeah, I mean it's I
encourage,
1043
00:50:57,736 --> 00:50:58,995
and I I would encourage, you know,
1044
00:50:58,995 --> 00:51:01,269
if you're an adult and you're kind of
wondering next steps,
1045
00:51:01,269 --> 00:51:05,553
what do I do? I did write a book called
Radical Like Jesus.
1046
00:51:05,553 --> 00:51:09,316
And it's it's based on there's 21
chapters.
1047
00:51:09,316 --> 00:51:11,518
Each of them have twenty one challenges.
1048
00:51:11,518 --> 00:51:13,680
It's like a different snapshot of life of
Christ,
1049
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,723
but then you take a challenge with every
chapter.
1050
00:51:16,723 --> 00:51:18,134
And it's not all about evangelism,
1051
00:51:18,134 --> 00:51:22,618
it's spiritual disciplines and faith and
fasting and growth and you know sp
1052
00:51:23,228 --> 00:51:26,652
~ spiritual warfare, all the stuff that
Jesus went through.
1053
00:51:26,652 --> 00:51:28,885
But by the time you're done reading the
book,
1054
00:51:28,885 --> 00:51:30,097
you'll know how to share your faith.
1055
00:51:30,097 --> 00:51:36,665
And you will have had ~ three gospel
conversations by the time you're done
1056
00:51:36,403 --> 00:51:39,099
Awesome. Do it. Go
1057
00:51:36,665 --> 00:51:37,786
if you take all the challenges.
1058
00:51:37,786 --> 00:51:39,008
So yeah.
1059
00:51:39,099 --> 00:51:42,496
buy radical like Jesus. I think Louis
Giglio wrote the forward to it
1060
00:51:42,496 --> 00:51:43,989
or co authored it with you, is that right?
1061
00:51:43,788 --> 00:51:44,788
He
1062
00:51:44,229 --> 00:51:47,706
no, he wrote the forward. I was so it was
like Bruce Lee writing
1063
00:51:47,706 --> 00:51:49,690
the forward to your, you know,
1064
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:53,156
Kung Fu ~ book, like, man, Louis Giglio,
1065
00:51:53,156 --> 00:51:54,156
I love that guy.
1066
00:51:53,467 --> 00:51:54,467
Yeah, exactly.
1067
00:51:54,588 --> 00:51:57,920
Well, that's why I wanted to give a little
extra shame ~ to
1068
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,192
the shameless plug because ~ I knew you
weren't gonna tell us that.
1069
00:52:01,192 --> 00:52:04,644
But ~ man, God is gonna continue to use
you.
1070
00:52:04,644 --> 00:52:09,237
I pray that he uses Dare to Share to
continue to impact people.
1071
00:52:09,237 --> 00:52:12,069
I'll be following you. Make sure you
follow Greg Steer,
1072
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:14,411
Dare to Share Ministries on Instagram,
1073
00:52:14,411 --> 00:52:17,262
Facebook, TikTok. Are you dancing on
TikTok?
1074
00:52:17,262 --> 00:52:18,262
I don't know if you're on TikTok.
1075
00:52:18,306 --> 00:52:21,706
No, I my my kids are like, please don't do
TikTok that.
1076
00:52:21,479 --> 00:52:22,479
Okay.
1077
00:52:24,154 --> 00:52:26,100
So I may. I may, just to taunt them.
1078
00:52:26,803 --> 00:52:29,805
Again, you would have your first
subscriber from Thailand.
1079
00:52:29,805 --> 00:52:31,536
Okay. If it happens. We'll see.
1080
00:52:30,478 --> 00:52:31,565
There you go. There you go.
1081
00:52:31,536 --> 00:52:32,536
I'll
1082
00:52:31,776 --> 00:52:35,989
be I'll be waiting for the ~ holy humble
swagger account.
1083
00:52:36,324 --> 00:52:37,324
Podcast.
1084
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:40,452
Awesome. Well, bro, thank you so much for
sharing.
1085
00:52:40,452 --> 00:52:45,165
And it's been a pleasure just reconnecting
and I just pray continual blessings over
1086
00:52:45,165 --> 00:52:47,846
the ministry that God has given you and
continues to enlarge your heart
1087
00:52:47,846 --> 00:52:51,799
for the lost and those who are needing
transformative touch from Jesus.
1088
00:52:52,802 --> 00:52:57,065
David, thank you for investing your life
into reaching the people
1089
00:52:57,065 --> 00:52:59,007
of Thailand with the hope of of Christ.
1090
00:52:59,007 --> 00:53:02,399
May God bless you and provide and
encourage you every step of the
1091
00:53:02,399 --> 00:53:03,399
way and your family.
1092
00:53:04,213 --> 00:53:05,213
Thank you so much.
1093
00:53:07,197 --> 00:53:09,098
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1094
00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:12,841
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