Mission Evolution Radio Show with Gwilda Wiyaka Interviews - DR. DARRYL WALSH - Psychology of the Paranormal

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Welcome to Mission Evolution for science and spirituality merge in
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the quest for human advancement. I'm your host, Guildawiyeka. In
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this hour, we'll journey into the analytical side of the
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unexplained with doctor Darryl Walsh, Executive Director of Center for
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Parapsychological Studies in Canada, President of Ghost Pro Projet Canada
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and Director of Research for ppri I Paranormal Phenomenon Research
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and Investigation. With the background grounded in science, Doctor Walsh
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has dedicated his career to exploring the mysteries of death, consciousness,
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and cryptids such as Bigfoot, while maintaining a discipline, data
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driven approach to the paranormal, from near death experiences to
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the psychology of hauntings. We'll examine how science and the
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supernatural meat in the search for truth. Stay tuned. Our
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evolution begins right now, Doctor Walsh, thank you so much
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for joining us on Mission Evolution.
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Oh it's my pleasure.
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So, doctor Walsh, what originally drew you to study the
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paranormal from a scientific perspective?
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Well, it's interesting because there are things that drove me
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to want to understand the paranormal, and then there were
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things that drove me to do it as a science.
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I had originally set out to become a clinical psychologist,
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and I wanted to deal with gay teens, and so
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therefore I studied a very quite a varied and wide
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field of different family therapy, sex therapy, suicide drugs, the
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whole shebang, except for anxiety disorders, of which my family
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myself suffer from. But it was the one blind spot
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in that. And what had happened was, while I was
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doing this, an opportunity came to teach at the Nova
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Scotia Community College, and that same year I had founded
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the Center for Paar Psychological Studies in Canada, which I've
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regretted ever since because it typing that out is saying
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it and typing it is rather annoying. But anyway, and
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what it was it was. It was a group with
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us that were interested in trying to understand the paranormal
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and then use instead just which we did just collecting
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the information. We wanted to do analysis simultaneously that I
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was teaching, and so I took a scientific view because
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I was still studying be a psychologist at this point.
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So they kind of merged. Psychology fell off for various reasons,
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and parapsychology stayed on. I also taught fantatology classes on
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death and dying and cryptozoology, and I'm actually teaching a
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crypto zoology class now and where are we Monday Wednesday.
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I'm teaching about lake monsters and sea monsters. So it
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happened accidentally when I had people coming to my classes,
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whether it's my writing classes or my parapsychology classes, but
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in particular the writing classes, I tell them, listen right now,
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you're just you've got ideas, perhaps maybe you've got something
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written down or typed up, and you're wondering where you
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should go or if you should proceed or whatever. And
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I'm reminded, and I should have looked this up. But
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the quote that's in Lord of the Rings when Bilbo
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says if you step outside your door and you don't
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watch where your feet are, God knows where you're going
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to end up at. And then I start off as
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in grade seven, and then start because it was actually
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in grade seven. I was twelve when this hole started,
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primarily with cryptozoology. And then I start, and I go
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through all the different things, from doing TV series to
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being pub books published, to doing interviews like this, to
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giving talks, inspirational talks as well documentaries, blah blah blah
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blah blah, and I go through the whole thing. I say, so,
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I didn't expect to do this. This wasn't where I started.
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I wrote, you have.
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One of the most unique academic backgrounds in parapsychology in Canada.
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How does your scientific training influence your investigative methods?
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Well, I got to tell you it's a great bullshit thing.
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It comes on in the back of your mind when
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you get told something that just is way too out
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there now interdimensional beings, you know, bigfoots and Internet interdimensional being
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or or as I usually say, don't show me a
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pile of dung and tell me it's a unicorn. You know,
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I need better evidence than that. And there is good
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evidence coming out of death bed visions and your death experiences,
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and and some of the bigfoot and cryptids have been discovered.
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So there are things in this, in all these three
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fields that I'm into that you know, including clinical hypnotherapy.
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Actually I forgot, always forget about that one because I
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don't practice it. If I was paid for all the
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degrees and everything I took for something and never practiced,
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I'd be rich. Uh So, yeah, my science, does you know?
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They're true parts of me. There's a ten year old
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boy that just loves the story. So if you tell
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me in Nova Scotia, which is no Bigfoot, but would say,
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you tell me down outside of New Glasgow, a big
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hairy monster was seen, you know, And I tell my
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classes and cryptozoology people. One of the students ask me why.
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I said, because it's fun. It's monsters, That's why we
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do it. Par psychology, we're trying to understand the spirit.
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We're trying to understand the soul. We're trying to stand
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consciousness and whether or not we can peek into the
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other side. And if they come here, there must have
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to be this exchange of atmospheres environments. However, I said,
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if we're looking for cryptids. We're doing it because it's finding.
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We want to find the hairy monsters. So there's a
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ten year old boy in me that still can be
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frightened with ghosts. Fore Runners in particular, scare the living,
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you know what out of me other things. I'm a
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little more jaded. And then there's the doctor Walsh bit
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that needs a lot more than just somebody saw something. Now,
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the interesting thing is we had both Eliot, who's going
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to be on and I believe at three or four
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o'clock or is going to be taped at that time.
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He and I put together class or I should say,
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a show called Frontiers of the Paranormal, and what we
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were going to do we were going to do exactly
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essentially what you're doing. We were going to use non
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standard investigative tools to try to understand what's going on.
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There have been great strides in parapsychology that people have
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just forgot about. Poaltrigeist in particular, there was a fascinating
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study in twenty twelve. What it would pretend is amazing,
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but nobody ever did the study over again. You know,
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it's been ignored. We couldn't get the class I'll keep
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saying that we could not get the show off the
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air because we weren't going to be able to For instance,
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there are certain you can make a haunted you can
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recreate a haunted house. Essentially people go in and they
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will feel like it's a haunting. To us, it was
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just showing how various factors that we have never taken
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in to account before can cause certain things. We were
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not saying there's no ghosts. We're not saying there's no
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soul or there's no hauntings.
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It was just to explain, well, can you explain I
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want that? Can you explain the mission of the Center
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for Psychological Studies in Canada and how it contributes to
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the legitimate research in this field.
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Well, we've been at it since nineteen ninety six, so
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we've collected a lot of data and done analysis. For instance,
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I've done analysis personally a seven thousand, three hundred Bigfoot
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reports and got to see that most people have it
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wrong and they're not going to find bigfoot the way
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they're looking for it. So yeah, so we've been and
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now through Ghost Project Canada, what we're doing is we
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are taking all the We're less picky, it's more of
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a folklore and believes some supernatural events that are reported
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not necessarily are we going through them and thinking this real?
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This not? And what we're doing is we're doing analysis,
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geographical analysis. Where where will most you know, prevalent at
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where got ship's most prevalent lent at? And you'll say, yes,
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it'll be the oceans or the seas, and that's not
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entirely true. Uh So there's a little teaser there, you know,
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where where are all these things mostly reported? And how
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are they different across the country. And so we're trying
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to do this in a statistical and geographic analysis to
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understand why people where people believe these things, why they
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might believe these things, and who knows, we might actually find,
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you know, truth somewhere. Now. The truth sometimes is not
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going to be what everybody wants to hear, or even myself,
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but sometimes I think there's going to be truth that
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we all want to hear in this field. So it's
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it's fascinating, it's enjoyable. It's slow because we need volunteers,
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and a pandemic really put a dent into into everything,
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so we're kind of slow getting back up at it.
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But this leads me to. My next question is what
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are the biggest misconceptions about parapsychology is to study it seriously.
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This is a bad share I'm showing for the first time,
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so my apologies.
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It's a poltergeist.
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It's yes, if anything can go wrong, it will. Could
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you repeat that question, Realisa?
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I can't imagine why we're wanted to, but.
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I was killing myself at the moment.
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So one of the biggest misconceptions about parapsychology and those
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who study it seriously, they.
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Think we're fools. For one thing, there is a strong
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belief in parapsychology and ghosts. It's not in the whole paranormal.
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They pick and choose. It's very a la carte. But
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once you start taking into account science, they think you're
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a fool. In England, it's called going down the road
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to lock ness, because of course there is no monster
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in lockedness, but there is some there. There's something either
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psychological or physical that's causing all these you know reports,
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and I think it's woven in with sociology and a
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whole bunch of things. But anyway, to the scientists, you're
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a fool if you do that. So if they call
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that down the road to lock ness if you're going
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to investigate haunted houses, or if you're going to investigate
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deathbed visions and things like that. So even in Paris,
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the psychological like said the Society for Psychological jay Wiz,
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Society for Psychological Research, the foremost ghost event, what was
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originally parapsychology or ghost research even now has their talks
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are turning much more less from being specific and where's
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the evidence, to just throwing things out there. And so
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therefore I've noticed that across Paara psychology that scientists are
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still officially you know, think we're fools. Although I love them,
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believe in what we're doing, they just can't be seen
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to be doing that, nor do they have the time.
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Can you separate genuine paranormal psychology from hoax's misinterpretations or
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psychological factors?
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Well that's a lot. This is what is the best
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example we know, there's no plesiosaur in. Lockedness could not
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happen period full stop. So what is locked ness? So
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there's psychological things going on. People want to see the monster.
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It's a very creepy lake. Most times it's filmed when
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it's beautiful, but really it's not when it's dark, I'm
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gonna be stormy. There's the economic aspect of it. Of course,
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more people report something strange, like a wave whatever, then
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people will come and spend money and all that. There's
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a sociological aspect that we need monsters and because it's fun.
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It's scary a bit. But if they're in the lake
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and I'm safe up in a hotel on the side
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of the of the reversion, I'm.
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Sorry to interrupt. We're gonna have to pick up on
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other side of a station break, doctor Walsh, and I
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will return very shortly, so don't you go away. This
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is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. Is
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any of this real? With this is our discussing validating
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the paranormal? Is Doctor Jarl Walsh, Director of research for
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pp r I dot net. Doctor Walsh has modern technology
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such as AI data and analytics or infrared imaging change
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the way you study or document the paranormal.
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Suret answer, no, infrared is overblown, and of course it's
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on needs an image on you know, a piece of
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equipment usually not recordable, and tells you nothing. AI that
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has a brain of its own, obviously, because that's what
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it is. So therefore I think it could be used
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to do an analytical work, and we'll certainly use it
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for Ghost Project Canada. But I think we also want
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to keep the hard sciences as well, the mathematics and
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to this. So, yes they do and they don't. You know,
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it's it's we ghosts are extinct. That's what I tend
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to tell people, because it has changed over one hundred
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years how we validate something is haunted or if it's
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a ghost. We no longer see a physical being. I
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mean there's no clanking change. For one thing, and yes
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that was a thing, but no, there's no clanking change.
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There's no figures in white unless it's a hoax. What
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we do is we take record something and then we
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listen to the white noise and pretend we hear voices,
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or sometimes we actually do hear voices, but have nothing
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to do with the haunting. So I had give the
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a talk on how ghosts are extinct and the usual
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way we would go looking for one we don't do anymore,
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or I should say most people don't do anymore because
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they're they see TV and they think that's the way
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it's supposed to be, and it's not. I always said
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to my class, if you're going to go look for ghosts,
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and explained already how more or less how to do it,
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I said, if you're having fun, you're doing it wrong.
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Looking for ghosts. Being a parapsychologist is an extremely boring,
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poverty stricken, long intensive study of something. And it can
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be fun when you first start, but if you're doing
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it right, it's going to bore you to tears. It's
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going to be very statistical. You're going to have to
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do a law of analysis of let's say, anything you find,
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including you know, EVPs. And although I don't put any
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stock in them, still yes people do and why not.
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But you can do analysis of it anyway.
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We might in your experience. Is there a typical haunting
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or do manifestations significantly vary from case to case?
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is the hauntings haven't really changed at all period, full stop.
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They're there. It's like one plust one, Egles two and
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all of a sudden someone comes in and says, well,
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one post one egles twenty five people. It's called the
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investigator effect. People will find what they're looking for. And
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because of TV, they think they have to go down
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to the basements and the dirty places and have the greens,
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you know, color on and all the equipment and there's
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like ten fifteen people down there, and it's like nobody
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should be down there if that's a haunted place. And
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also you should be able to do it at noon
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how or not just at nighttime. You would set up
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the equipment and you would be outside and then you
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would do the analysis of what is going on inside.
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You should never be inside a haunted house. But that
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has changed from when you know, the science of it,
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the you know, the way that we're supposed to do
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it morph because of the Internet and TV. So right now,
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right now, parapsychology is not thought of in a high
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uh you know, thought of very highly highly thought of
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it is, and cryptozoology isn't either because of the TV shows.
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The Internet and TV has more or less ruined a
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lot of science is not just our sciences and not
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just cryptism and this kind of thing, and our reputations. Yeah,
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it's it has changed and not for the best. But
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what everybody on my side where somebody else's side is
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looking for it hasn't changed. There's still a spirit there.
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I believe there's a spirit there because I've I've seen
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things that I believe would day that are soul. We
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do have a soul. Both my parents had death bad
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visions before they died. Yeah, so, I mean, you know,
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I believe in that there's enough evidence in near death
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experiences that the show that we do have a soul.
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We do have some sort of spirit that goes on
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and comes back sometimes is either sent back or comes
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back on their own. And so and every time we
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investigate farther and farther into a near death experience, the
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more we prove it, unlike let's say some of the
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other things that we don't have as much luck. Maybe
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it's more they're more amorphous.
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I find it absolutely fascinating. But you were mentioning speaking
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and teaching of courses in parapsychology. How receptive are students
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applying critical thinking to topics that are often dismissed by
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like you were saying mainstream academia.
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come in obviously are highly motivated. They're very interested in
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the course. They're very obviously interested in the various topics
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that's there. I've also found with exceptions, there might be
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one or two, but usually they are They ask her questions,
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They asked you know, they pushed me, which is why
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I love teaching. There's always one or two people that
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are going to push you. What does that mean. I've
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been teaching before and somebody has pushed me somewhere and
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I've thought, hey, I never did think of that, you know,
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and that's fascinating, and so anyway, Yeah, I usually have
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about seventy five percent eighty five percent of the students
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will be critical thinkers. They're there because they're very interested
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in the topic. But they just don't want me to
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tell them Bigfoot exists, and that's that. They want some evidence.
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They want to talk about breeding populations, whatever it is.
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understand exactly what usually goes on when that happens, and
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they have some very interesting questions, most eventually are unanswerable.
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and then you get usually the one or two that
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are all in. I mean they're there because they already believe,
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and they already have a set belief system. And that's
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fine because they could be right. For some of the topics,
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they could be very right. We don't know yet. We
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haven't managed to haven't managed to put our hands on
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things like psychokinesis and psycho you know, telepathy and things
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like that. They're very amorphous, and as soon as we
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think we have the pin down. And I was actually
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for a very quick I was with doctor Michael Persinger,
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who in the nineties was often in a lot of
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programs and seen as a as a skeptic, but he
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was We had gone to interviewing for my show shadow Hunter,
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so we were looking for a scientific view of all
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these things, and we wanted, we thought we wanted a
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little bit of skepticism. But he freaked me out. One thing.
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He was neuroscientist, and I did not take neurobiology, so
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therefore I was lost. But the parents that he did
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speak of and his psychokinesis was what he did. He
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spoke of when a student came to talk to him,
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and there was a pen on the desk between them,
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and it hadn't moved. It was his pen hadn't moved.
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She moved that pen towards him with her mind. She
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was like, I am reasonably for well, I can't reach.
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not touch it, she could not blow on as she
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you know, there was no that pen moved. Now, because
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of the fact psychokinesis, I was kind of, oh, I
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don't know, But because I have the respect of that
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man who has since died, and because he was a
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person who used science to look at things, and he
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believed in psychokinesis, and he believed in telepathy. He had
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an interesting theory about it, but he came at it
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from the scientific way. He believed in our spirit. And
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so therefore, if the person you thought, you know, would
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be a skeptic and would be too hardcore, was actually
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a believer. And it was fascinating. And when he told
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me that story about the pen moving, I mean, I
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have to take that seriously because I respect the man.
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He's too, he's you know, he's contributed to parapsychology in
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various ways that we even today we think of, and
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he's not the kind of guy to b S or bbs.
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So what ethical considerations come into play when you're studying
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people's personal experience of the paranormal, Well.
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That starts to come into clinical parapsychology, which I have
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studied and Elliott has as well. You have to be
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careful because you don't know exactly when someone comes to you.
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Sometimes they're very upset, or they're very discombobulated, which is
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a perfect word for it. They don't know how to
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react to this experience that's happened to them. So luckily,
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I am a psychotherapist trained as a psychotherapist and never
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made it to clinical psychologists, but I always train as
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a psychotherapist, so I know how to deal with them
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and how to calm them down. Explain that these random
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events happen a lot, these are the various possibilities. They'll
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ask me, then what do I think? And obviously then
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I'll give up. Well, there's two parts of me. I'll
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believe it, but the science part of me will force
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me to try to find evidence for that. But I
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believe what you are telling me that there is something
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going on. Now, let's together, let's find out wh it is,
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don't worry about it. It can't harm you, period, full stop.
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And the stories so don't be afraid. And essentially that's
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how it goes. And so you go with them and
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you unders try to understand what's going on. Most times
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there's something very mundane, but there's always the one or
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two that you're going to bump into that you're going
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to look at and say, I can't explain that one.
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We can't explain that one, And I'll speak to Elliott,
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bring him in, and he might bring somebody else in
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that he knows to talk about it. And we do
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it fairly often and sometimes though we just bump into
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that wall that we can't understand.
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Well, study, have you studied deathbed visions and near death experiences?
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What consistent themes have you found across the cases?
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Well, they're fascinating. Actually, deathbed visions. Can you imagine that
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you're dying and all of a sudden you look up
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and they do tend to look up and you see
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a vision. Now, both my parents could not enunciate that.
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First for my father because my mother and my sister
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and brother in law were there, so I obviously wasn't
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going to ask Dad, who's coming for you? I just
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would not have fit in. But he saw somebody and
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he was surprised that at this person. And I think
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I know who. It probably was my uncle Bert because
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he had predeceased him, so I think it was probably him.
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For my mother. My sister actually took what was taking
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care of Mom that morning. It was supposed to be me,
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but she gave me the morning off. Mom would have
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died in her sleep if it had been me, I
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would not have woken her up. But she saw something,
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and she definitely saw something, but she could not enunciate
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it because she was too far gone. And within fifteen
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twenty seconds that was it. She had an extremely quick,
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easy go and she was in he red in her
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own house. That's how she had said for forty years,
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how she wanted to go. But there's other people who
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have said, you know, I see Martha, now, what is what?
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The really interesting thing is she doesn't know Martha's dead.
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You know, Martha was killed in a car accident or
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predeceased her somehow, and yet at that moment of death,
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Martha is there for her, and there the goosebumps just
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went up that leg all the way up here, and
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that's why I do this with near death experiences.
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I hate to leave us as a cliffhanger, but it's
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time for us to take it up a station brag
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or doctor Walsh, and I will return, So you stay
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right there. This is Mission Evolution www. Dot Mission evolution
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dot org. What do we see as we die? This
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is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. With this discussing
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near death and deathbed experiences is doctor Darryl Walash, President
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of Host Project Canada. Darryl, we were talking about deathbed
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experiences and do these experiences suggest that consciousness continues after
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death or could there be pure purely neumological explanation neurological.
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Yeah, personally, I believe there are enough cases where somebody
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has like we said just at the break, which was
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a beautiful and amazing. I'd like to get a copy
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of that. I put all my all my social media
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is so beautiful. Oh just amazing. It just really like wow,
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would be.
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But well, I have to I have to give credit
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to my producer, Rob McConnell. That would be his creation.
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Well, I'll be talking to Rob, I think on Wednesday,
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and yeah, I'll be telling him how amazing he is
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in so anyway. But something else that's amazing, of course,
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is the fact that when people are close to death
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they do see things that it's impossible for them to see.
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they might see what the doctor and hear what the
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doctors are doing and saying and everything. They might see
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things outside of the room, because you can always say, well,
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maybe they heard this or they heard that, but they
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might see something outside the room. And then there's things progress.
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If it's in near death experience, then they start to
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see things that you just don't see. The tunnel usually
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into an area of bright light. Sometimes, depending on how
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far you go and how fast we yank you back,
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you might see a being of light, which you will
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interpret according to your own religion. There's no idea on him.
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You know, he doesn't have a hello, my name is
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Jesus or anything. But if your Mohammed, you believe, or
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if you're islam Islamic, you believe it's Mohammed. If you're
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a Christian you believe it's Jesus, you know, and on
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and on and so it's fascinating. And then the really
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good ones are if you stay for a little while
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and you have your life flashes before your eyes, but
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it's different. You feel how you made other people feel
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during your life. It's not how you felt going through.
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It's what you've done. And that's the scary part as
474
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well as the goosebumpy part, is the fact that that
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life review is going to make you feel very uncomfortable
476
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.359
because whether we consciously do it or not, sometimes we
477
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.720
just aren't nice people. It's just human psychology. And then
478
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:39.799
you're sent back afterwards, you come back, you have a
479
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:45.039
much more broader view of the world. You have problem
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with electronics, so maybe I add in near death experience.
481
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Who knows. I constantly do that, but they don't fear
482
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death anymore. Problems with electronics, particularly watches, they have this
483
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much warmth and good feeling towards people. They are more
484
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willing to live in the moment and not worry about
485
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.759
the visa bill, you know this, the house is going
486
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.880
to be sold or whatever, because they've gone beyond that.
487
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They've transcended this boring life that we're in. And if
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we go back to their deathbed visions, sometimes they just
489
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people come for them, and that's the part, And they
490
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don't know these people are dead, and sometimes they do
491
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.559
know they're dead, But the fascinating ones are the ones
492
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that they do not know have predeceased them, and you know,
493
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.240
they come for them, they see them, and so that's
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the fascinating part of it. So we know that part
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of us, our spirit, our soul, however you want to
496
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:57.079
call it, goes on. Now when we're over there, there
497
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is usually a boundary. It could be a river usually
498
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.400
a river, could be a river, it could be a
499
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.359
stone wall, it could be something. But if you go
500
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past that, you're not coming back. Now. Obviously, people who
501
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.240
have gone past that can't come back and tell us
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what's onios not. So we don't know what heaven or
503
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.319
the afterlife or whatever. We just know this way station
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00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:26.519
that's between us and between whatever happens after us. And
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I would say that it would, it would in part
506
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:39.480
a feel should impart a feeling of safety in us
507
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because most of the stories that happen are very very good.
508
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.519
There's a few small ones that are not. And the
509
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.720
problem is the reports of near death experiences have gone
510
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.920
from churches back in the seventies and eighties saying no,
511
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.599
that's all devil worships its demons is nothing. Then came
512
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people writing near death, this in the light, that in
513
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.480
the light, and whatever in the light, and they were
514
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.000
pretending they had near death experiences, and they were making
515
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.759
a lot of money off it. In the nineties and
516
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in the early two thousands. Then the churches saw that
517
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.759
there was a good thing there, and some of them,
518
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.440
not all of them, of course, but some of them.
519
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.200
Then Embrace did a one to eighty and embraced near
520
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:29.000
death experiences. So some of the stories that are positive
521
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:30.960
you have to be careful of, and some of the
522
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.240
stories that are negative you have to be careful of
523
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:37.000
because ideology might be either it might be total be
524
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.279
asked the story or ideology is you know, shading it.
525
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:48.160
From your research, how did deathbed visions differ from hallucinations
526
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and dream states.
527
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Well, it is true, but the difference in the ones
528
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that we know something strange is happening and is because
529
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they're not under particular drugs, they're not on hallucinogens, they
530
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.760
are not looking like they are hallucinating and anything. My father,
531
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I assume my mother, but my father definitely was not
532
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:18.199
hallucinating when he saw somebody come and he had he
533
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:21.880
was perfectly normal, He was not on any drugs. He
534
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.519
was enjoying fish and ships very well for the last time,
535
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.519
and so he was in a good place. But the
536
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.760
reason we know that it's not just hallucinations that's not
537
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.079
drug induced is the fact that they know things that
538
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.320
they couldn't possibly know. Now, not every death bed vision
539
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.920
is going to know, you know something. Usually it's somebody
540
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.920
they already knows dead is coming back for them to
541
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.199
help them. When my mother died, I was it was funny.
542
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As a scientist, I've often wondered how much do I
543
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.840
really believe? Though? You know, am I too much of
544
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.239
a skeptic or a doubter? But that when Mom died,
545
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.400
I knew as much as I can know anything like
546
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.280
one plasfon eCos two, that she was up with dead.
547
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.800
He had predeceased her by ten years, and there was
548
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.800
no way, no doubt or whatsoever in my heart. And
549
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.039
it was funny because as a Christian, I always wondered,
550
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.400
how much is my skepticism towards my field of study
551
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:29.360
affecting my belief? You know? Are my prayers just going
552
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.079
through something I've done since I was a kid. But yeah,
553
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.920
now I can't prove that. I can't say that that
554
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:40.360
in any way, shape or form proves the afterlife. But
555
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:46.639
I'm a hardcore scientist at times, and there are enough
556
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.760
near death experiences, there are enough near our bed deathbed
557
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:59.280
visions that are impossible to explain, and science just falls down.
558
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.679
There's no way to come up with something. But no,
559
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.239
we pushed that aside.
560
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.760
So what what does your research? What does your research
561
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taught you about humanity's deepest fears and hopes surrounding death.
562
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.599
Well, a certain it's interesting. We fear death. We always will.
563
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.840
That's ingrained with us. There's a lot of things that
564
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.760
we carry with us that that will not disappear because
565
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.360
we have society, and society tells us one way or
566
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the other, how to feel, what to do or whatever.
567
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.559
They're still going to thousands of generations have to pass,
568
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.159
so we're going to fear death. We used to be
569
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closer to death years ago, before the Industrial Revolution and
570
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:46.119
everybody moved away to cities and the frame families, you know,
571
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separated because it was just a part of life. And
572
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even in k Breton up to the very recent time,
573
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.159
it was just a part of life. They had the
574
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perth of the person died, they waked them in the house.
575
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:04.480
Sometimes they heard beforehand the forerunner. They heard the undertaker
576
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.320
come in his car to the middle of the night,
577
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.880
throw the boards onto the ground, start to pound to
578
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.239
make the you know, the coffin, and go away. And
579
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then the next morning they get up and the deceased
580
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:21.039
obviously was still there, but there was nobody outside. And
581
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then and then you would hear, you know, the cart
582
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or the hot car come down with the coffin, and
583
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if so, you know, we were closer to death. So
584
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we feared it less, but we still fear it an
585
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awful lot. And I think we we latch onto near
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death experiences because of the fact that it points towards,
587
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you know, a place where we don't if you need
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00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.840
to fear to go, and that he is I think
589
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the strongest thing that's happened over the past forty years.
590
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.320
We have come back to death, but in a different way.
591
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You know, it's not with us all the time, you know,
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with our family and as a part of our life.
593
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But we've come back to it intellectually. And I don't
594
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know how much. I can't tell and nobody can tell
595
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.840
how much. That intellectual has also become emotional, And that's
596
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.760
the important part because you have to be if you're
597
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.679
going to believe there's there is a afterlife, and there
598
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:28.000
appears to be so, and science is proving that as
599
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.360
well as parapsychology very strongly. But you have to be
600
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.599
emotionally invested so that the fear goes away.
601
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.800
And well, let's change years a little bit. You've analyzed
602
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:47.280
over seven three hundred bigfoot reports. Yep, that's extraordinary. So
603
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:49.519
what patterns have emerged from that data?
604
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.280
Oh? Am, I going to get the death threats when
605
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.320
I come out with my book when I tell them
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00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.760
they're wasting their time and they should go home, and
607
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.320
I be rude like that as well. When I go
608
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.400
on TV and watch the shows, people are just going
609
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.559
out there to drink their body weight and beer. And
610
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.679
that's same thing they did when they used to hunt
611
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.239
for regular animals. But I did come up with I
612
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.840
did come up with a lot of interesting implications. I
613
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.960
can't tell you the main one because if I do,
614
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.159
I give the whole thing away, and I do want
615
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.639
to have a book come out very soon, but I
616
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.679
will tell you some of the things. They don't always okay,
617
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.079
they're not violent, towards humans period, full stop. And the
618
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.360
story recently started with the four to one one books
619
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people disappearing when they were in national parks in the
620
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United States. And now if you go on YouTube, the
621
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.159
stories about Bigfoot doing this and Bigfoot doing that, and
622
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.840
all these things total bs. If the Bigfoot prior to
623
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the Internet. And my analysis stopped at nineteen ninety eight
624
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because that's when the Internet went critical mass, and so
625
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I knew from nineteen ninety eight on wheres people could
626
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.239
lie very easily and there were no way we could tell,
627
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:14.440
whereas the ones before, the main characters in the field
628
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.159
investigated and came up and said what they thought and
629
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had the evidence, and so we could still look at it.
630
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.760
Same with a lot of the stories. And then I
631
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.159
stopped at nineteen twenty because prior to that newspapers just
632
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.000
made things up every time they mentioned a gorilla or
633
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.280
something like that. So I did nineteen twenty to nineteen
634
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ninety eight so I could understand and get an idea.
635
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.840
Now I pushed some stories aside because they were BS.
636
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.559
But I did two analysis. I did the analysis of
637
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the stories I believed, and then I brought the ones
638
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.400
in that I did not believe, and it did not
639
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.159
move you know, the evidence meter very much, so I
640
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.599
knew there was some truth in the bulk of the stories.
641
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.199
They are enough imateurs humans. They will if you're in
642
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.360
a caravan, let's say, and they shape the caravan. It's
643
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.440
more they're interested in what that thing is. You just
644
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.320
happen to be inside, so relax. It's not after you.
645
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.639
It just has this wonderful thing, you know, new thing.
646
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.880
It is violent towards other animals that it preceives as
647
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.440
a threat, and dogs tend dogs being stupid, tend to
648
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.320
do things like run towards it.
649
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.519
Well, it's time for another We're running towards another station. Break.
650
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We'll pick up on the other side. Please stay with us.
651
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Is doctor wallersh and I continue to explore parapsychology and
652
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the unknown. This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution
653
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dot org. What's the impact of the individual upon studying
654
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the paranormal? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org.
655
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:56.719
We're continuing our discussion with doctor Darryl Wallash. Darryl, when
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filming site or photographing wanted and abandoned sites, have you
657
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.360
ever captured something that defied logic?
658
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:12.400
Not personally. I have seen a couple pictures that people
659
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:16.719
have taken that are interesting to me. I have not
660
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:24.440
personally taken anything that you know was suspicious. Photographs are interesting,
661
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:27.880
You've got you've now with digital it's it's become very
662
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:33.119
difficult to determine truth because it can be manipulated. Luckily,
663
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.679
some people are manipulated really bad. And you can tell.
664
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There was one picture that was given to Elliott Ellie
665
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.719
van Dusen, which will be on on later and a
666
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.519
colleague of mine. We have a by the way, a
667
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.679
podcast called Dueling Parapsychologists where we argue about certain things.
668
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.920
And he had a picture given to him by somebody
669
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and I looked at and, oh my god, I could
670
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:03.199
do better than that, even that picture. Unfortunately not I
671
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.159
have not. But I have seen a ghost. If you
672
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want to hear that story.
673
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.440
Sure, I'm sure everybody would like to.
674
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.480
Now, I haven't seen a ghost. And you know, I
675
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.840
had gone through life and done all this and taught
676
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:18.599
and everything, and I had never seen a ghost. Of
677
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.239
people were asking me, have you seen a ghost? Have
678
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.480
you've seen a ghost? I have you've seen a ghost? No? Sorry,
679
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.840
that just doesn't happen to me. Well, we were giving
680
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this was about four years ago. Now. We were giving
681
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.400
a talk at the Halifax Weston. Elliott was busy t
682
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.119
talking about something and I decided I would wander. It
683
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.360
was getting a little bit deep and I was not
684
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:41.679
supposed to talk for a while, so I left. I
685
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:43.639
bumped into a couple of staff members. I got a
686
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.199
couple of ghost stories from them. They believe the whole
687
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.519
place was haunted. They mentioned the Atlantic Room. So I
688
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.119
walked down the hall and I went into the pole.
689
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The door open the Atlantic Room. Now, as you open
690
00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.599
up the door, this hallway, you walk into where you
691
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.039
would have all the coats and everything, and then there's
692
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.559
the opening to walk into the major room. I had
693
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.960
not taken two steps into that room when I knew
694
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I was not supposed to be there. I don't know
695
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.519
what it was, but my body, my brain was screaming
696
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:22.280
to get out of that room. Now, it's funny as
697
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.679
a scientist, I pushed myself to keep walking into the room.
698
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:30.960
I was thinking infra red possibility, electromagnetic or there really
699
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.760
is something bizarre. Because I've never felt like this or
700
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:40.280
had anything explained to me like this. It's unexplainable. Just
701
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.440
that you aren't supposed to be there, and there's something
702
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.199
pushing you back towards the door. So I got to
703
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.599
the back of the room. Just tables with tablecross on
704
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.280
them and everything in white, and that was fine. So
705
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I forced myself to the back of the room and
706
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.840
then I said, okay, well this is a nice experiment,
707
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:06.519
but I'm getting out of here. As I turned, there
708
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.079
was a bout. How far was he? About fifty feet away,
709
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maybe forty forty feet away at most thirty a little
710
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boy about five six years old. He was blonde. He
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had a white polo shirt on. He had beige shorts,
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white socks. Can't quite remember the shoes, but something. And
713
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he was down on his hands knees lift up a tablecloth.
714
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.280
Now I could see both the tablecloth in my time,
715
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.280
and I could see the tablecloth he was pulling up.
716
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And then he went underneath that table and the whole
717
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.119
thing lasted at most five seconds, let's say something like that.
718
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.280
Of course, it lasts an eternity when it's happening to you.
719
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So I started for the door and then I, no, no,
720
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.559
you've got to go look. And so anyway I went look,
721
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.960
pulled up a tablecloth. No there. Then I left, and
722
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.800
then I went to talk to a few people. Stupidly, Now,
723
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I teach listen, all the equipment in the world is
724
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:12.360
pointless and useless to go do in a haunting. If
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00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.119
you're going to look for a ghost. Now, if you
726
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.519
know a ghost is somewhere, like I just did, that's
727
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.800
when you go grab the equipment and find out what's
728
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:26.679
going on. Did doctor Walsh think of that. No, he
729
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.119
was so freaked out the first time he saw a
730
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.000
ghost that he went and spoke to a few people
731
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.079
and actually brought a couple of people who one person
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00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.400
who's supposed to be sensitive and just another person. Do
733
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:42.079
you feel what? And everybody felt. I don't want to
734
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.480
use the word evil, but that's as close to evil
735
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.719
as I could. If I had to say I felt
736
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.079
something evil, that would be the experience because of whatever
737
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.400
it was was that was pushing me out. Even Ali
738
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.119
has stepped in the room and turned around and came
739
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.639
very back out afterwards, so there's something wrong with that room. Unfortunately, agree,
740
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.760
I was to upset because after you know, this had
741
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:09.199
been thirty professional years and previous years before that, you know,
742
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.679
and all of a sudden I saw one, and no,
743
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.679
I forgot the equipment was at the back of the
744
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.119
room and I could have grabbed it, gone in and measured. Because,
745
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.239
as I spoke before, if a ghost happens, if you
746
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.360
can't get one that frequently shows up, well, then you
747
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.639
can have all the equipment set and then something has
748
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.519
to be exchanged. In a near death experience, the same
749
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.440
things should happen as well if we're leaving this plane
750
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.840
of existence and going somewhere else. When that happens, some
751
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.320
part of our environment has to go. That's more normal physics.
752
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.000
Now this might be super normal physics. I'm not sure.
753
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.079
And some part of that environment has to come here.
754
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.960
Now it might be microscopic, it might be just a
755
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.960
call spot, it might be no feeling whatsoever. But if
756
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.800
we could find a frequent haunting, let's say it happens
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00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.159
every Thursday night at seven o'clock, just to make a
758
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:06.920
kind of flippant joke about it, then we could set
759
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.199
all the equipment around and see what happens at seven
760
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.400
o'clock on Thursday night. Heard.
761
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.360
So, how does the emotional or psychic atmosphere of a
762
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:18.920
location affect investigators during the field work.
763
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.119
Well, they do the same thing me. They forget that
764
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:25.000
they have a brain. It depends on exactly what you
765
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.000
feel when you go someplace real. Forget TV, throw everything
766
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.119
that is out that's so faked as breathaking, so forget that.
767
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.559
But if you actually happen to wander into a place,
768
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.719
much as myself others that I know in my group
769
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.639
have done, so it affects you obviously, because there's this
770
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.159
feeling and what it's doing. It's distorting what you're supposed
771
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.280
to be doing. But you need to analyze it. You
772
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.000
need to say, Okay, what is this, what could be
773
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.119
causing this? How is this affecting me? And you have
774
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.960
to be doing that as well as trying to understand
775
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.199
what's generating it or what your job is supposed to be.
776
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.639
I fell down on my job that day that evening,
777
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.320
and I'll forever kick myself forth that I did not.
778
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.159
You know, it overwhelmed me, and it tends to do
779
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.480
that to a lot of people. And what it does
780
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.719
it kind of makes you forget that you know your
781
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:26.039
training and everything. If you were lucky enough to do this,
782
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:31.079
to come across various places or a particular place and
783
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:35.760
it has a regular haunting and you are used to it. Well,
784
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.920
then that's fine. You can kind of turn off the
785
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:43.000
effect and the feeling and the force that's there and
786
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.000
you can then try to understand what's going on. But yes,
787
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.159
it does affect and you have to understand that. You
788
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.320
have to understand how you're going to explain it is
789
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.280
going to be tinged with how you felt when you
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00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.840
were there. There's no answer, but nor is about it.
791
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.960
You know, so you're you're a featured I want to
792
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.320
get into this before we run out of time. You're
793
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:10.440
a featured figure at the twenty twenty five halfex Paranormal Symposium.
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00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:14.599
What present What will your presentation focus on? There?
795
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.320
Uh? Well, I could be talking about just about anything.
796
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.559
It usually I talk about the ghosts and whether they're extinct.
797
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.199
I might talk about this this particular ghost program, our
798
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:30.960
ghost happening, and what how I failed in my job,
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00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.079
which would be probably what I will speak of. I
800
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.000
do know that cryptids are being spoken to, so I
801
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.719
might have something to say about them, but generally I
802
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.960
think I might just explain how much opportunity I wasted
803
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:48.239
just to explain to them how you can be overwhelmed
804
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.320
by what's going on to you and no matter whether
805
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.960
you're a believer or a skeptic, And that's going to
806
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.840
color what, you know, what you'd do. So and I'll
807
00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.039
be there of my books of course, and hopefully selling
808
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.559
a lot of those. And so yeah, that'll be and
809
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.639
kind of pinch hitting anywhere that's I'm needed actually to
810
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.360
do various things. I'll be doing the photography. I'm doing
811
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.840
some of the publicity for it. So I had many hats,
812
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.480
you know, with the symposium every year or so.
813
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.400
So how does a symposium advance public understanding and academic
814
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.639
respect for paranormal research?
815
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.679
Well, hopefully they look at it and they think, okay,
816
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.159
well there's this thing happening every year, and it's being
817
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:34.440
taken serious and there are serious people involved. Laura and Warning,
818
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.920
for instance. And I did We're in a program, did
819
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.760
a eight week program or show for Ami back in
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00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:46.400
twenty twenty, you know. So, and she's a very serious psychic. Now,
821
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.679
whether she's a real psychic or not, I haven't trained her,
822
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.360
I haven't tested her, I should say, but I do
823
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.719
believe in her seriousness, and so I give her the
824
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.840
benefit of the doubt. And until such time, you know,
825
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.360
something might come up. But it's serious people doing talking
826
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about serious topics, and they're taking it serious. And so
827
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everybody's coming. It's usually one hundred and twenty people roughly,
828
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.400
and they're coming from all over the Lace, from the States,
829
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from Ontario, everywhere, and they come and of course heligoing
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00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.280
is you know now are knowing that there's a symposium.
831
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.119
And it was my idea to call it a symposium
832
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rather than convention, because I wanted it to be taken
833
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.199
seriously and I wanted people to know that we were
834
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.119
taking the topics seriously. We weren't just having jokers come
835
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.760
in and making fools of themselves or whatever. You know.
836
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.960
We were talking in and investigating and trying to understand,
837
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:46.880
you know, the paranormal from all avenues. And so we
838
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.960
were looking at it from all avenues, and we had
839
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.679
the people, different people from all avenues to come in
840
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.079
and try to put their point of view and see
841
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:58.719
if that would advance our understanding. And the people that
842
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.960
are there, they're understanding of all these topics. You know
843
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:03.280
that they're out there.
844
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.800
Well, finally, how can events like Halfax Symposium help evolve
845
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.800
humanity's broader understanding of consciousness, death, and reality itself?
846
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.880
Well, because those are the main topics we have every year.
847
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.880
You know, we have people coming with their own views
848
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.679
on it. Myself, you know, I can come at it
849
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:27.000
from just about every area, you know, because I studied
850
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.280
all the different areas. But other people coming from being
851
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.320
a psychic, or someone might come in from being a
852
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.639
medium or what have you. There might we might have
853
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.519
a psychologist or a psychiatrist who's who spoke about the
854
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:44.079
darker aspects of it, demonology for instance. Somebody else might
855
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:48.000
come in and speak about consciousness itself and how we
856
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:52.519
just don't have a you know, a firm grip on it. Yeah,
857
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:56.800
it's too morph us right now. So although they do
858
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:00.519
believe there is something akin to the soul that is consciousness,
859
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.000
and that there is the two brain syndrome, there is
860
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.559
the physical brain, and as I do believe that there
861
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.639
is also this other part of the brain that is
862
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.719
not necessarily tied to our bodies.
863
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.440
Well, doctor Walsh, I hate to do it, but we
864
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.800
have run out of time.
865
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That's fine.
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00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:19.599
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
867
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:21.960
Oh no, it was my pleasure, It really was. Thank
868
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:22.639
you for having me.
869
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.559
My pleasure. Our guest is hour has been doctor Daryl Walsh,
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00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.679
Executive director of a Center for Psychological Studies in Canada,
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00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.000
President of Ghost Project Canada, and Director of Research for
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00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.719
PPRI dot net. Doctor Walsh also will be appearing at
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the upcoming twenty twenty five Halifax Paranormal Symposium taking place
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November twenty first in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where leading researchers
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00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:52.400
and investigators will gather to explore the next frontiers of
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paranormal science. To learn more about doctor Walsh and his work,
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visit PPRI dot net or c p sc Dashcanada dot com.
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