The Historic HAUNTED Scott County Jail and Rugby Colony - Ghost Biker Explorations

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You're listening to Everything Out There with your host, Steve Stockton. Hello, friends. Hello, hello, everybody.
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Steve Stockton here. Welcome back to Everything Out There on
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the Clyde Lewis Ground Zero Radio Network. Thank you for
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joining me. Also, tonight, my special guest is Miranda Young.
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you know her better as the Ghost Biker from Ghost
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Biker Explorations and the Historic Scott County Jail. Come on in, Miranda.
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How are you doing?
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I'm doing great, Steve. Thank you so much for having
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me on tonight.
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Yeah, my pleasure. It's been a while since we talked.
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I think I was on your show in 2022. I
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think it's been that long. I've been busy.
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Yeah, it's been quite some time. I've been wanting to
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catch up because I've been following and seeing you've been
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doing some really cool things.
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Yeah, I'm hard to catch sometimes. I just ask my wife.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But anyway, for those people that aren't familiar with you,
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tell us who you are, what you're all about and
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all the great stuff you've got going on there.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I've been really busy over the last couple of years.
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But so my name is Miranda and I'm better known
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as the Ghost Biker. I travel around the country on
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my motorcycle to different haunted and historic locations. And I
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highlight them on my web series, Ghostbiker Explorations. We just
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finished the sixth season last year and back in October.
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And so we're working on the seventh season this year.
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And so we highlight a lot of the locations that
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are maybe a little bit lesser known, maybe more, you know,
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I always tell people that basically if you close your
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eyes and touch a map, you're not going to touch
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anywhere that doesn't have.
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An amazing story.
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It may be reasonably regionally known, but you know, it,
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there is always a story somewhere in that area that
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you're going to touch. And so we, Um, so I
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use my show to kind of promote the, the travel
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and tourism and stuff of some of these smaller, lesser known,
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more localized locations, of course, travel all over the country. And, um,
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you know, I'm a, I'm a solo investigator. And, um,
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so I highlight those shows or those locations.
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On my, my show.
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And then, um, I have a weekly live stream. where
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we go in and we talk about the places that
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we highlight and then also talk to different authors and
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podcasters and folks like you that do things in the
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paranormal community. And just time really flies. Three years ago,
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I formed a company with my best friend and business partner, Dr.
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Christy Sumner from Soul Sisters Paranormal. We formed the company
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History Highways and Haunt and opened up a true crime
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museum and paranormal research center in the historic Scott County
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Jail in Huntsville, Tennessee. So between that and my series,
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I've been extremely busy with working with historic preservation and restoration.
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Sounds like you've been about as busy as I have.
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I love it. So I think the last time we talked,
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you had ideas for all that, but I'm glad to
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see that it's come to fruition for you.
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Yes, we opened in September 2021. And so we've had
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right around 150 paranormal teams that have come in. And so,
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you know, during the day, we're open with our True
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Crime Museum for general daytime tours. And then in the evenings,
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we're open for the after dark tours pretty much every
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evening and every day but Tuesday and Wednesday. And we
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just recently opened up an escape room there in the
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jail where you can escape from one of our cell blocks.
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And then we're constantly... changing our after dark flashlight tour
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that kind of keep things fresh. We highlight different true
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crime stories. We highlight the history and then we share
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different video, photo and audio evidence as you go throughout
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the jail of different things that have been captured there.
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And all of that's during our after dark and flashlight tours.
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Back in May of last year, we expanded the business
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and partnered with the village of historic rugby Inc.
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And we, um, are in.
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Charge of all of their after dark tours there at
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the village. And so that division of our company is
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called historic rugby after dark. So, um, We're trying to
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create more of a destination, if you will, here in
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rural East Tennessee. We're in the Scott County and Morgan
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County area. That way, if you're coming through, you can
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actually investigate the jail and investigate the village of Historic
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Rugby because they're only about 20 miles apart. So we're
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trying to kind of create, rather than just a pass-through,
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something that you can do all weekend long if you're
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in town.
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And I love that you've included rugby in there. That
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used to be one of my favorite places to visit
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when I lived in East Tennessee. Before the show, we
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were talking about the Harold Road Cafe, which I love
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to dine at. And you told me that it burned
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down in my absence, but they're building it back. So
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that's good. And rugby, a lot of people don't know.
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much about it or that it even exists, but it was,
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I think the man's name was Thomas Hughes that had
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a utopian vision and brought people over from England and
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sort of developed that area. And then it didn't quite
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work out the way they wanted it to, fell into disrepair.
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And I remember seeing some of those places when I
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was a kid, they were basically falling in. Every building
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over there is haunted, I think, or reported to be.
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And the library, and there's, I think there was a
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bed and breakfast or something over there. I mean, it's
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been 20 years since I've been in Tennessee. So tell us,
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tell us what's going on in rugby now.
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Yeah.
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So, so rugby was really set up for this and
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they just hadn't, you know, they hadn't really embraced their,
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their paranormal history. Cause like you said, I mean, pretty
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much every building there in the village has some type
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of activity. And so rugby was founded by Thomas Hughes
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back in 1880. And he was of course an author and,
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and member of parliament. And he was, you know, a very,
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very busy person. But he was, he basically took on
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the plot of the second and third sons of England.
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And so he wanted to create a place where they
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could come to and they could actually, because over in England,
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they didn't really have a job. They kind of just
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got an allowance and didn't really, you know, they weren't
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really trained because basically it's kind of like, you know,
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the heir and the spare. over in England and they
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would have been the.
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The second, third sons, they would have been the spares.
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And so, um, he wanted to.
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Create the second British coming or the second, um, British colony.
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And so, um, it 18.
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October 5th of 1880, the doors opened there in rugby and,
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and quite a few families came over, but they had
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a lot of ups and downs during the, um, 10
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years that rugby was really a colony. They had an
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outbreak of typhoid fever. They had very, very harsh winters
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that they weren't used to over here on the Cumberland Plateau.
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They weren't really equipped for the farming and working the land.
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Like he would have hoped.
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But they had a series of ups and downs, and
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by about 1890, a lot of the original colonists had
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already left and moved on to other places. And so
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Rugby never really became a ghost town, but there was
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a point in time where there were just a few
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folks that were living in the area and kind of
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keeping it up and taking care of it. And so
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it wasn't until Brian Stagg came along in 1966, and
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he was a 16-year-old kid at the time, became fascinated
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with rugby, wrote a book about it, and got a
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group together and formed Historic Rugby, Inc. And so rugby
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got on the National Historic Registry in the early 1970s,
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and they went to work to restoring and rebuilding some
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of these structures that were there. At its heyday, there
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was right around 500 to 600 people that lived there
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during the the 1880s and so there are 17 of
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the original structures that are still there today and there's
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probably I believe last count that I heard it is
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a living village and so at last count I think
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there's right around 50 to 60 people that live in
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Rugby today and so they do have a some of
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them live in a few of the original houses Some
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of them live over in the Beacon Hill subdivision, which
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basically if you wanted to live in rugby, you could
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buy land, but you had to build a house in
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that same 1880s Victorian structure. And so some of the houses,
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they are a little bit newer, but they look like
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they're from back in the late 1800s. And so it's
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amazing little area. The folks there that work for Historic
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Rugby Inc. do a great job during the day tours
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and throughout the year with different events to.
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Keep rugby going.
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And we got to, you know, I grew up 20
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miles from there over here in Scott County. And so
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I took piano lessons there from Brian Stagg's mom. And
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I can remember as a child playing piano there in
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the house that she lived in, which was known as Roslyn.
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And Personally, it's a private residence, but personally, I think
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that's one of the most haunted houses there in the area.
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And I can remember sitting there playing piano and hearing
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what sounded like an old horse-drawn carriage coming up to
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the house. And I remember one time in particular stopping,
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thinking that there was some people that were getting ready
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to come into the house. And she looked over at me,
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smacked my hand and said, keep playing.
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It happens.
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And, um, you know, it was one of those, yeah,
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it was one of those where I was like, Hmm,
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there's nobody out there. And, and she just, you know,
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she's like, after the fact, you know, she said, um,
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you know, there was, there was no one out there.
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I was fully expecting someone to come.
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And knock on the door, but, um, but that's a
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very common thing that a lot of people have talked
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about that I've found out. after working over there now,
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that other people have experienced that at that location as
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well as some of the others. But we reached out
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to Rugby and it was about a six month in
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the making partnership. We reached out to them, told them
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what we do at the jail and had a plan
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together as far as opening some lantern tours, guided ghost
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hunts and paranormal investigations. And they came over, they toured
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the jail, saw what we were doing with that and
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loved the idea. And so we now run two different
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lantern tours there, one of the village and one of
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the north end and the cemetery. And we do three
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hour guided ghost hunts. And then we have six and
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a half hour private paranormal investigations. And folks, if they
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want to extend that and do a full overnight, they
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can actually do stay there at the village in some
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of the different lodging options that they have after they
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do their investigation. So it's really been set up for that.
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And it's, it's really one of those things because rugby gets, um,
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a split of the ticket sales on that. And, and
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it's just, uh, just something really cool to, um, to
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add to their portfolio of what they offer and, um,
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keeping that history alive and working with the, uh, preservation
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of the village itself.
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Yeah. And I love that, that, you know, it's keeping
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history alive and thriving in that community. They're bringing tourism
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or whatever, whatever dollars in there. That's good. Like I said,
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at one time, it just was almost a ghost town
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and it's good to see it thriving again. And I
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remember that area that you're talking about where they were
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building new houses, but in Victorian style, that was, I
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think back in the nineties or something when that started,
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if I recall.
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It was. Yes, yes.
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And I knew some people that bought property over there.
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I don't know whatever became of them, but I thought
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that was a great idea because that happens a lot here,
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like where I am in New England. You got these
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beautiful old houses, and then they'll tear them down and
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make some kind of new cookie cutter looking something, and
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it just doesn't have any soul or any character like
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those Victorians. I live in a 125-year-old house, so I
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get it.
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Yeah. Yeah, and that's the thing about that. You know,
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the main road used to run through Rugby, but they
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had so many issues with, like, the big rigs and
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18-wheelers and stuff that was just flying through the village.
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So back, you know.
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Probably time kind of gets away from me, but I
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think at least between 10 to 15 years ago, they
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built a bypass around Rugby. So for investigation purposes, it's
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great because it's a dark sky community and it's, it's very.
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Quiet at night.
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But the downside to that is, you know, during the
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day people bypass it. You have to know it's there to,
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and have the intention to go back.
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And that's happened since I was there. But I remember,
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I think, was it highway 27 that goes through there?
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Uh, 52, 27, uh, Yeah, 27 is about seven miles
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from there and goes on to 52, and 52 would
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have been what went straight through it.
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Okay. I just remember going through there. My dad was
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from Jamestown, and we lived in West Knoxville, and we
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would go back to visit family that he had over there,
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and we would always go through rugby. So I've driven
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that way a few times myself, but, again, I haven't
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been over there in at least 20-something years, so I'm
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sure it's changed a lot.
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Yeah, and you know, it's a beautiful motorcycle ride, that
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whole entire area, and we do different motorcycle rides and
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stuff with Ghost Biker here, and then also with the jail,
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and we'll go, one of our main routes is going
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there through Rugby and stopping there at R.M.
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Brooks General Store.
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Oh, Brooks Store, yeah, I used to have to stop there.
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Yeah, in fact, we've actually got a motorcycle ride that
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we're doing with the jail, uh, in two weeks, that's, um,
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going to have a stop there for lunch there at
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RM Brooks general store. And RM Brooks is partnering with
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us and doing a motorcycle appreciation day. So, um, so
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anytime that we can partner with some of these small villages,
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especially if, or excuse me, small businesses, especially if they
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have a historic lean to it, like RM Brooks does,
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we always like coming up with some interesting and cool
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ideas to include those locations and introduce, you know, people
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who maybe have either never heard of that spot or
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introduce them to something a little bit different if they have.
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Yeah, and that would be a good place for a
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motorcycle ride. I never thought about that. Back when I
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rode a Harley, I'd always go up to the Smokies
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and stuff. It didn't even occur to me to go
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over that direction.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, because Big South Fork is right there.
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Basically, where we're located at, at the historic Scott County Jail,
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you can't go north, south, east, or west without having
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an amazing motorcycle road with beautiful views, history, just great roads.
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We've started this year, we're going to be doing at
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least one motorcycle ride a month, if not more. We
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usually do a couple a year, but we're really heavying
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up on it this summer. And we're partnering with some
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different businesses all around us and different museums that are
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all around and starting in different points. So we've got
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about six different routes.
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Like a poker run and each stop is a haunted
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location or something. That would be pretty neat.
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It is.
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Yeah, that's exactly how we're doing it. And we've actually got,
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you know, the tours and stuff that talks about some
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of the towns and different areas that we go through that,
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you know, it may just look like a little road
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sign or a little blip on a map as you're
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passing through. But some of these areas that don't really
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have a lot in it, back at the early 1900s,
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some of those areas were sprawling towns that had mining
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disasters and train wrecks and and all kinds of interesting
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stories that you if you're not from the area you
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wouldn't really know that that was what went on in
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that spot because it's just basically in the blink of
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an eye you're passing through that area so um that's
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what that's what i like to do with ghost biker
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explorations with the show and with the rides and stuff
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is get the word out about some of these places
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that people maybe haven't really thought about before.
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Yeah. And that's, that's great that you're keeping all that alive.
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And like you said, especially in the South, every little
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community has got a crybaby bridge or a place where
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a lady in white walks after dark or vanishing hitchhiker,
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something that I love those little community things like that.
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And to them, it's just normal. They know the legend.
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But outside of there, people in the next community over
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may not even know about it or not know as much.
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Exactly. Exactly. We come across that a lot.
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Yeah.
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And what I wanted to ask you about, I made
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a video about it years ago. The devil of Scott County.
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Have you ever heard that story?
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I have.
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We actually have a it's almost like a life size
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picture of. from 1921 of the scott county devil there
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in the historic scott county jail and that is probably
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one of our most asked about exhibits because it's interesting
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because the picture it's got several gentlemen standing there with
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this you know it they describe it as um a
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giant demon coursed They say it's six foot four, which,
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you know, today was is obviously not as giant as
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it would have been back then. But they describe it
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as a six foot four giant with oversized hands, big wings,
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oversized teeth.
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And I.
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Forget how much it weighed, but it was extremely heavy.
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And so here's this picture, this black and white picture
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from the Helenwood Depot and where they would, where I
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guess the devil, it sat in there from the early
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twenties up until, the depot was torn down in the 60s,
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I believe, early 60s, and so don't know where it's
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at today. Heard different stories, different speculation, but it was
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everybody that's come through the town has heard of the
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Scott County Devil or the Helenwood Devil.
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Yeah, like I said, I made a video about it.
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It was just fascinating, and I heard a story in
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connection with that. Somebody asked me, how could people believe this?
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But you got to remember, it was the 1920s. A
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lot of those hill people over there were very superstitious.
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And I've heard a story about in Oneida, just nearby there,
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when the first movie theater opened, a crowd gathered in there.
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The curtains parted and the scene was an oncoming train.
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And people got up and ran out of the theater
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because they thought the train was going to get. I
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don't know if that's true or not. And people in
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Oneida deny that. But I've heard it told as the truth.
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I've you know, I've heard that, actually. I don't know
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if that's true or not.
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But I do know on the for the Scott County Devil,
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it was said that Cruz Sexton, the guy who found it,
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that he actually charged people a quarter. when they get
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off the train to, to see it. And apparently I
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made pretty good money on it, which you got to
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think a quarter back there.
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That was probably what a day's wages or something. Maybe.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Maybe not a day's wages, but a good chunk of
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a day. I think. I remember my dad talking about
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somebody that had a sawmill or something over there and
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he was paying people a dollar a day. That sawmill's
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hard work.
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So. Yeah.
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Imagine giving up a quarter to see something like that
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but it was it was a lot of money it
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wouldn't have been it would have been an extravagance is
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what i'm trying to say so based on the picture
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there it was really something but supposedly it disappeared they
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don't know exactly what happened to it it was uh
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i think on the way to or maybe was displayed
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at the chicago world's fair and then they kind of
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lost track of.
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It that's that's what i've heard um i know that
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uh I know it made some appearances at some different
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fairs in Kentucky and some different carnivals.
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And then I.
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Had heard, I've heard two different things. I've heard that
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it was on the way to the Chicago World's Fair.
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And then I had heard it had been displayed at it.
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So I'm not 100% sure. I do know that the
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nephew of the guy who found it in his cave
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on his property, came into the jail there. And he
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was actually one that put on loan to us the
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big picture. And then, of course, we found several, I
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think we found three different newspaper articles from 1921 that
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was talking about this horned beast that he had found.
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And his nephew had said that, you know, whether he
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had made it there in that cave or whether he
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had found it, He did say that he did spend
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some time over in Asia and, you know, they were
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known for their statue making abilities and stuff and said
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that he had, he had become enamored with their style of,
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of statue building. And so either way, whether it was
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an elaborate hoax or whether it was something that he
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had actually found, It's pretty incredible for that time period
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to have found something like that and then to do
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what he did with charging for it and for it
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to essentially become not just a local legend, but somewhere,
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something that, you know, folks all over East Tennessee and
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Middle Tennessee had heard of this and still talk about
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it today, which I think is pretty fascinating.
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Yeah.
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If I recall, when they expanded the rail line there
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to L & N, then it brought a lot more
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people through from other areas, and they would all get
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off there to see this devil that they'd heard about
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from people like from Florida and places like that even.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's just amazing. I've heard also that it's rumored to
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be in a private museum, like a home museum somewhere
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in the north, but I don't know. I hope it
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turns up someday, so I'd like to see it or
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at least a life-size recreation of it. I'm surprised somebody
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hadn't done that.
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Yeah, I am too, you know, and that's the thing,
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because we have heard that. We've heard people, we've had
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people that come into the museum that will ask us
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about it, and then, of course, we've had people who
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go up, and they actually see the poster and the
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newspaper articles that we have on the second floor, and then,
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of course, they come down, and they want to talk
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a little bit more, but I've heard that it's in
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somebody's private museum, but Whoever has it, I don't think
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is talking because we've not been able to come across
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and get any valid confirmation as to where it would be.
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They'd make a fortune if they could get a quarter
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to see it back in 1920s. They could charge 25
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bucks today if people would come and look at it.
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Yeah, because from the description there in the 20s, it's
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like either like 500 or 600 pounds. I mean, it's
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an incredible statue.
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Amazing. Now, that little town, Helenwood, I've heard a story
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about how that town was named. I don't know if
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it's true or not, but there was some kind of
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explosion there, and the woods caught on fire, and it
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was literally hell in the woods, and then they shortened
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that to Helenwood. Is that true, or do you know
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anything about that, or have you ever heard that?
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That's what we've always heard.
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And that's what I always tell when I'm talking about Helenwood.
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You know, a lot of the areas there in Scott County,
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you know, I have several friends from the West Virginia area. And,
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you know, most of them, when they come down, they
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talk about, you know, Scott County right there being a
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lot like West Virginia. You know, there was a lot
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of coal mines there. And then, of course, there right
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around 1900, there was a huge influx of people that
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came into Scott County for the coal and timber boom.
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And then also in the south end of the county,
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the clay making boom with the bricks. And so Helen
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Wood itself, they had several mining disasters. And so I
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had heard that it was a mining disaster, a dynamite explosion.
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that caused that fire there in the woods. And that
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was how it got its name because it pretty much
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devastated the community. It was also a pretty lawless community.
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A lot of gun battles and different things that went
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on at some of the different taverns and some of
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the stuff there in the area amongst the coal miners.
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So that that's what I've always heard. And in several
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of the old Scott County books where they write about
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the history, they also talk about that as well. So
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that's kind of what I lean to.
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I mean, you know, I guess.
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And it was a rough and tumble place from, from
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the accounts I've read and things. And at one time,
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I think it was around the time of the civil war,
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of course, that Scott County tried to secede from the
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state of Tennessee and become the free and independent state
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of Scott. So they didn't mess around.
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They didn't.
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No, there was a unanimous vote to basically whenever Tennessee
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seceded from the union, we seceded from Tennessee. And we're
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00:28:16.269 --> 00:28:21.299
only one of three other enclave states that did that.
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00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.380
And so we became the free and independent state of Scott.
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00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:29.119
And because of this, this upset Nashville and, and they
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00:28:29.190 --> 00:28:35.299
sent like 1300 troops over from Nashville causing two minor skirmishes.
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00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:40.990
They weren't actually battles, but two minor skirmishes, um, the, uh,
490
00:28:41.109 --> 00:28:46.150
battle of Brimstone and the battle of Huntsville mountain. And, um,
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00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:49.109
because of that, you know, we had a lot of
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00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:51.660
homes that were split, you know, a lot of people
493
00:28:52.289 --> 00:28:54.589
they tended in the area to side a little more
494
00:28:54.650 --> 00:28:58.349
with the union because basically they just really didn't.
495
00:28:58.190 --> 00:28:59.190
Want to be involved.
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00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:03.349
And there were some slaves there in Scott County, not
497
00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:08.349
too many, but there were a few. And so you
498
00:29:08.390 --> 00:29:11.710
had homes that were split. Now the majority of the
499
00:29:11.789 --> 00:29:16.569
fighting that took place was mostly guerrilla warfare. So it wasn't,
500
00:29:17.529 --> 00:29:19.769
but you did have, you know, when you go to
501
00:29:19.849 --> 00:29:25.359
the cemeteries, I have some in my family, my great
502
00:29:26.019 --> 00:29:30.119
my great uncles and my great great uncles on my
503
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:35.750
dad's side. They had where you would have brother fighting brother,
504
00:29:35.769 --> 00:29:39.970
one siding with the union, one siding with the Confederacy.
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00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.859
But for the most part in the area, it was
506
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:46.619
guerrilla warfare. And the fascinating thing about that was that
507
00:29:47.259 --> 00:29:51.180
even though it was never technically recognized by the state,
508
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.640
they actually didn't take it off the books until 1986.
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00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.420
When Lamar Alexander did a, yeah, he did a great
510
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.660
homecoming and they actually welcomed us back into the state
511
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.529
of Tennessee back in 86.
512
00:30:07.529 --> 00:30:11.809
That's awesome. And Tennessee, the state of Tennessee itself was
513
00:30:11.910 --> 00:30:14.609
one time the state of Franklin. So it's switched around
514
00:30:14.829 --> 00:30:15.369
a few times.
515
00:30:16.349 --> 00:30:21.019
Yeah, such a fascinating history with Tennessee, with the Civil War,
516
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.230
and then just Leading on forward from that, some of
517
00:30:25.250 --> 00:30:30.769
these little rural communities, like when you look at historic
518
00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:35.500
rugby or when you look at Scott County itself, just.
519
00:30:35.380 --> 00:30:36.259
An amazing history.
520
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.930
I mean, we've created an entire ghost walk. just in
521
00:30:41.009 --> 00:30:44.950
Huntsville alone that we take that, uh, you get to, um,
522
00:30:45.170 --> 00:30:48.410
an hour of it is inside the jail. Um, another
523
00:30:48.410 --> 00:30:51.259
45 minutes to an hour is really just walking around
524
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.299
Huntsville talking about the history of the County and, uh,
525
00:30:55.819 --> 00:31:00.099
talking about, you know, some of the interesting history and
526
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:03.240
haunts of the area that people might not really think about.
527
00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:07.349
And then go on over into rugby at which again
528
00:31:07.410 --> 00:31:11.210
is about 20 minutes away or 20 miles away. And
529
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.819
you have inside of some of these homes, you know,
530
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.140
Thomas Hughes was really good friends with Charles Dickens. And
531
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:24.900
so there's like first edition drawings from Charles Dickens's books in, um,
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00:31:25.900 --> 00:31:30.660
the Thomas Hughes house there and first editions of black
533
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:35.119
beauty and Swiss family Robinsons and, um, you know, prayer
534
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:40.309
books from the 1600s that's in the library there inside Rugby.
535
00:31:40.369 --> 00:31:42.430
And you just wouldn't think in some of these small
536
00:31:42.490 --> 00:31:43.430
rural communities.
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00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:45.819
You wouldn't think in a little community like that rural
538
00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:49.019
community in Tennessee that you'd have something like that. But
539
00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:51.740
there you go. There's just, there's all kinds of surprises
540
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:52.180
over there.
541
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.759
Absolutely.
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00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:57.099
Just in that area itself. So that's what we always
543
00:31:57.140 --> 00:32:00.329
tell people. It may be a little small, a small footprint,
544
00:32:00.410 --> 00:32:04.380
but it packs a big, paranormal and historical punch in
545
00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:09.380
this area. And so we get people that hear about
546
00:32:09.460 --> 00:32:13.019
it and stop in and they're just amazed by what
547
00:32:13.059 --> 00:32:16.099
they find with the history. And you find that a
548
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.349
lot in some of these places. If you just stop
549
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.529
and listen or stop and look, you can find some
550
00:32:21.549 --> 00:32:24.049
really interesting things in some of these really small towns.
551
00:32:25.309 --> 00:32:28.390
Yeah, I love it. And what are some of the
552
00:32:28.470 --> 00:32:32.480
other legends and folklore over there that that people might
553
00:32:32.539 --> 00:32:33.200
not have heard of?
554
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:39.789
Well, for the jail, some of the things that, I'll
555
00:32:39.809 --> 00:32:45.809
start with that since that's where our headquarters is or
556
00:32:45.890 --> 00:32:49.349
our office is there in the jail. You know, it's
557
00:32:49.390 --> 00:32:52.819
technically the third jail in Scott County. It was built
558
00:32:52.910 --> 00:32:59.279
in 1904 and in operation until 2008. And It's shaped
559
00:32:59.420 --> 00:33:02.140
like a castle there in the middle of East Tennessee,
560
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.339
a three-story sandstone castle. And we've had most of our
561
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.829
earliest inmates, they were either ridge runners or moonshiners. And
562
00:33:12.849 --> 00:33:19.269
we have everything there at the jail from a sheriff
563
00:33:19.309 --> 00:33:21.690
that was killed there at the front door. It was
564
00:33:21.730 --> 00:33:25.799
an unsolved murder. He was killed ambush style when he
565
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.680
was bringing in a moonshiner. and that is one of
566
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:33.380
our unsolved murders there in the county. There were some
567
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:36.569
deathbed confessionals and some people who thought they knew who
568
00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:42.670
it was, but there was really no positive arrest or
569
00:33:42.730 --> 00:33:46.690
anything on that. But that is Sheriff Richard Ellis, and
570
00:33:46.849 --> 00:33:49.269
he does hang out there.
571
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:49.559
At the jail.
572
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.240
We get both residual and intelligent activity there from him
573
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.160
on all three floors. And then we've had seven lynch
574
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:03.940
mobs that have come into the jail and taken different
575
00:34:04.009 --> 00:34:06.470
inmates out. We do think there were more, but those
576
00:34:06.529 --> 00:34:10.050
are the ones that we actually have the newspaper articles,
577
00:34:10.130 --> 00:34:15.389
death certificates on. And then we've had 14 officers who
578
00:34:15.429 --> 00:34:18.199
were killed in the line of duty, which is a
579
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:22.489
pretty high number for a small rural community. And then
580
00:34:22.510 --> 00:34:26.340
of course, each of those have their own interesting stories that, um,
581
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.219
that go with that. Um, and then of course, there's
582
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.340
just some really different and interesting, um, local stories that
583
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.949
are associated there with the jail, uh, you know, with
584
00:34:40.389 --> 00:34:43.409
being open for that, that period of time, there were
585
00:34:43.429 --> 00:34:47.849
a lot of people that, that, uh, crossed through those doors. Now,
586
00:34:48.349 --> 00:34:53.639
Scott County itself, uh, one of, um, are kind of
587
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.639
going on out a little bit there in Huntsville and
588
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:01.239
Scott County itself. Jesse James, he did spend some time
589
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:06.440
there in Huntsville. He was there for eight months. Now,
590
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.840
Huntsville looked a lot different during that time than it
591
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.119
does now. You know, Huntsville is the county seat. It
592
00:35:14.179 --> 00:35:18.119
was labeled that because it's a horse ride or a
593
00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:21.679
day's horse ride from anywhere in the county. And so
594
00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:24.309
at that point in time when Jesse James was there,
595
00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:28.489
it was a big city at that point. There were
596
00:35:28.550 --> 00:35:34.309
several hotels. There were blacksmith shops, lawyers offices, lots of
597
00:35:34.409 --> 00:35:40.349
general stores, big courthouse, of course, the jail. But Jesse James,
598
00:35:40.429 --> 00:35:44.199
he did stay there in Sharps Hotel and he was there.
599
00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:49.110
Didn't tell anybody that it was him. He went by
600
00:35:49.130 --> 00:35:52.530
the name David Moore while he was there and ran
601
00:35:52.550 --> 00:35:56.329
a feed and seed store with his brother. Now, by
602
00:35:56.389 --> 00:36:00.880
all accounts, he was an honest businessman while he was there. Now,
603
00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.059
he was technically hiding out for some crimes that he
604
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.179
had committed when he was up in Kentucky. And he
605
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.199
confessed to Junior Sharp, who was the son of the
606
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:16.869
motel owner. But he was the only one that actually
607
00:36:16.969 --> 00:36:20.960
knew that that was Jesse James. And so after about
608
00:36:21.019 --> 00:36:23.500
eight months, all of a sudden he and his brother
609
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:28.699
just up and disappears. That's when they went on out west.
610
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.639
They did go through Fentress County because there's some stories
611
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.510
and accounts of them there. But basically, he just headed
612
00:36:37.590 --> 00:36:40.449
on out west. And of course, you know, the rest
613
00:36:40.610 --> 00:36:42.869
is history because that was when he headed on out
614
00:36:42.929 --> 00:36:47.719
to Missouri. But, um, we do have the full article
615
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.380
of that in the jail that kind of talks about
616
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.320
some of the accounts of people who had, uh, encountered
617
00:36:53.360 --> 00:37:00.590
him and the story that, uh, Junior Sharp shared about, um, uh, knowing, uh,
618
00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:06.340
Jesse James when, when he was there. Um, we've had,
619
00:37:07.469 --> 00:37:09.679
we had one of our sheriffs, you know, we always
620
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.739
say when it comes to, um, to the jail or
621
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:19.280
to Huntsville itself that the jail was such a big,
622
00:37:20.059 --> 00:37:25.199
it was a big important building to our community there
623
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:29.019
and that most people had somebody that served in some capacity.
624
00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:34.639
They either served as a sheriff or served as the
625
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.300
sheriff's wife who was the cook. So they had somebody
626
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.409
that served in the capacity of being on the law
627
00:37:40.469 --> 00:37:44.010
side of things, maybe even a deputy, or they had
628
00:37:44.210 --> 00:37:47.429
family who served time in there. And there was a
629
00:37:47.469 --> 00:37:52.369
couple instances where we had someone who served as both
630
00:37:52.429 --> 00:37:54.409
sheriff and served as inmate.
631
00:37:55.170 --> 00:38:01.489
And, um, that, that particular person was Marion Carson. He was, uh, he.
632
00:38:01.449 --> 00:38:04.010
Served as a deputy most of his life out there.
633
00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:08.929
And then he was elected as sheriff in 1976. And
634
00:38:09.070 --> 00:38:12.670
as you're going into the jail, um, there is, uh,
635
00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:18.559
there by the door carved into the sidewalk is, uh,
636
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:24.539
it says M Carson 1976 dash, and there's no end date.
637
00:38:25.539 --> 00:38:29.139
And the reason there's no end date is, um, he
638
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:34.929
allegedly got involved with the, uh, Escobar drug cartel. And
639
00:38:35.150 --> 00:38:39.170
so there was a undercover FBI sting that took place there. Um,
640
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.199
not just in Scott County, but in, um, Roan County,
641
00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:51.150
Anderson County, it was all the surrounding areas. And so, um,
642
00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:56.150
they ended up arresting 12 different officials in the surrounding
643
00:38:56.289 --> 00:39:01.719
area that had gotten involved with, um, the Escobar drug cartel.
644
00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:07.659
And so unfortunately, Marion Carson, he, um, he was arrested and, um,
645
00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:13.489
He did pass in federal prison. But from all accounts
646
00:39:13.530 --> 00:39:15.690
that we've heard from folks that come in, it is
647
00:39:16.170 --> 00:39:20.800
a divisive conversation there. And a lot of folks say
648
00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:26.139
that even if he were still alive today, he would
649
00:39:26.179 --> 00:39:28.900
probably still get elected because a lot of people liked
650
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.280
him that much. Um, so we have a lot of
651
00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:35.920
stories like that associated with the jail and associated there
652
00:39:36.739 --> 00:39:43.900
with Huntsville. Um, there, there is a story about our courthouse, um, of, uh,
653
00:39:44.710 --> 00:39:48.929
one of the, um, uh, the, A guy, Doc Chambers,
654
00:39:49.329 --> 00:39:55.559
he was on trial there back in 1942 against, he
655
00:39:55.579 --> 00:40:00.820
was one of our prominent physicians. And he had, he
656
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.380
was suing, suing one of his customers or one of
657
00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:10.449
his patients for unpaid medical bills. And there was an
658
00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:14.429
altercation that broke out there during the court trial. And
659
00:40:14.449 --> 00:40:19.079
Doc Chambers just reached into his, pocket and pulled out
660
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.019
his gun and, and shot, uh, the guy he was
661
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:26.780
suing there on the stand. And so because of this,
662
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:31.010
there've been stories and rumors there at the courthouse that
663
00:40:31.030 --> 00:40:35.650
the courthouse has, uh, you can hear phantom gunshots and
664
00:40:35.750 --> 00:40:42.090
that you can see shadow figures. Um, there's also one
665
00:40:42.130 --> 00:40:45.750
of the, uh, older house homes that's there. There is
666
00:40:45.789 --> 00:40:49.610
a woman, lady in white, that is, uh, often heard
667
00:40:50.250 --> 00:40:53.670
crying and wailing there at the, uh, at the stairwell
668
00:40:53.710 --> 00:40:56.730
that we talk about that. Um, we also talked about
669
00:40:56.769 --> 00:41:01.190
the Vanderpool lots that are seen in one of the
670
00:41:01.230 --> 00:41:05.849
cemeteries that, um, is kind of a few miles down
671
00:41:05.969 --> 00:41:10.750
from the square there. Um, not really sure what those
672
00:41:10.829 --> 00:41:15.409
lots are, but several people have seen them, including, um,
673
00:41:16.780 --> 00:41:21.239
senator howard baker who is from scott county and uh.
674
00:41:22.710 --> 00:41:25.969
He wrote a a little snippet in one of his books.
675
00:41:25.869 --> 00:41:30.190
About um about the vanderpool lots so and of course
676
00:41:30.369 --> 00:41:35.690
the county itself is just full of different stories as
677
00:41:35.829 --> 00:41:39.119
far as you know some of the back roads and
678
00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:41.280
stuff some of the things that you may encounter if
679
00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:44.260
you're if you're driving on these back roads at night
680
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.460
um There's one that's one of like a headless hitchhiker
681
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.030
that can be seen on one of the mountain roads
682
00:41:51.090 --> 00:41:55.510
that several people have swore just throughout the generations that
683
00:41:55.530 --> 00:42:00.869
they've encountered. A lot of little areas like that. And
684
00:42:01.429 --> 00:42:03.170
I'm sure that's kind of the same way with a
685
00:42:03.230 --> 00:42:04.409
lot of little small.
686
00:42:04.190 --> 00:42:06.309
Towns in the area.
687
00:42:06.329 --> 00:42:10.030
Yeah, I've heard similar stories like that from Fentress County
688
00:42:10.170 --> 00:42:13.719
and Cumberland County and some places like that. But again,
689
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:17.480
I think Every little community, every little place has those
690
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.110
kind of legends. It's fascinating to think about. I want
691
00:42:22.150 --> 00:42:24.369
to get back to the jail for a minute. Last
692
00:42:24.429 --> 00:42:27.750
week on the show, I had my friend Michael Lachiana on,
693
00:42:28.289 --> 00:42:31.139
and he mentioned you. That was why I thought to
694
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:32.760
get back in touch with you and see if you
695
00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:36.059
wanted to come on here. Now, did he record some
696
00:42:36.139 --> 00:42:39.019
EVPs while he was there at the Scott County Jail?
697
00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:43.070
No, I don't think he has been.
698
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.480
Been to the jail yet i think he's planning to
699
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.719
come um i don't i don't know of him recording
700
00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:52.199
any there yeah i know he.
701
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.739
Got some at uh over petros at the uh brushing
702
00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:00.239
mountain yes prison i think they've got kind of the
703
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.059
same thing that they do over there at the prison
704
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:06.280
now that's that's just outside of wartburg or wattburg if
705
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:09.710
you're from that area and uh i heard some good
706
00:43:09.909 --> 00:43:13.440
evps from there that's frightening place. Of course, that's, that's
707
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.800
very story. That's where James Earl Ray was and been
708
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:19.630
all kinds of murders and things inside the prison. So
709
00:43:20.289 --> 00:43:21.449
no doubt it's haunted.
710
00:43:22.309 --> 00:43:23.190
No doubt about it.
711
00:43:23.929 --> 00:43:29.010
I have actually investigated Brushy Mountain on six different occasions.
712
00:43:29.849 --> 00:43:33.019
And on one of those occasions, I actually slept there
713
00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:36.929
in the solitary confinement or the, the hole. And I,
714
00:43:37.429 --> 00:43:41.429
That's the place I got some of my best EVPs,
715
00:43:41.889 --> 00:43:45.889
class A EVPs, very intelligent as well as some residual.
716
00:43:47.110 --> 00:43:50.380
I slept for about three and a half hours and
717
00:43:50.420 --> 00:43:56.820
got like a solid three minute and 15 second when
718
00:43:56.860 --> 00:44:01.840
I compiled it all together series of EVPs. And what's
719
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.909
fascinating about Brushy Mountain is that's where we would have
720
00:44:06.050 --> 00:44:13.349
sent are state or federal prisoners from the jail. So,
721
00:44:13.670 --> 00:44:16.269
you know, being a county jail, you know, you have
722
00:44:16.570 --> 00:44:21.280
typically shorter sentences, but the ones who were murderers or,
723
00:44:21.429 --> 00:44:23.880
like I said, had committed a state or federal crime
724
00:44:24.500 --> 00:44:27.639
and they were sentenced, we would send them to Brushy
725
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:33.679
Mountain or to Morgan County Correctional Facility if they had
726
00:44:33.699 --> 00:44:39.349
the longer sentence. So there's that connection there. And Brushy's
727
00:44:39.449 --> 00:44:45.349
right about 40, 45 minutes from the jail. And they
728
00:44:45.369 --> 00:44:48.550
have that set up as a really great destination where
729
00:44:48.590 --> 00:44:52.159
you can go and you can eat some great barbecue,
730
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:56.719
get you some liquor. They've got a distillery there and
731
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.920
on the property itself or spend the night and do
732
00:45:01.019 --> 00:45:04.280
a paranormal investigation. And the tours they do are great too,
733
00:45:04.340 --> 00:45:08.719
because they're led by former prison guards or former inmates.
734
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:15.019
And I just, I absolutely love that location. And Michael,
735
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:20.880
he's such a good investigator and usually gets some amazing EVPs.
736
00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:24.739
So I can't wait for him to come and check
737
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:26.079
out the jail.
738
00:45:26.099 --> 00:45:28.760
Yeah, I was thinking he'd already been there. We talked
739
00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:32.510
to so many different locations. But yeah. And I told him, I,
740
00:45:32.750 --> 00:45:36.130
I think it's him. Cause he, he has all this equipment.
741
00:45:36.150 --> 00:45:38.289
He started out like with a big reel to reel
742
00:45:38.349 --> 00:45:41.070
tape deck. And I think it's just him. I think
743
00:45:41.110 --> 00:45:43.909
he's haunted. I think he could take a Fisher price
744
00:45:44.349 --> 00:45:47.710
kids cassette recorder in there and get EVPs, but he does.
745
00:45:47.769 --> 00:45:50.780
He has some of the most amazing that I've ever heard.
746
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.699
We played about a dozen on last week's episode. And
747
00:45:53.739 --> 00:45:56.949
there's some of them are frightening. I mean, there's, very
748
00:45:57.010 --> 00:45:59.389
distinct voices. You could hear accents. You can, there was
749
00:45:59.510 --> 00:46:01.309
one that sounded like a little girl and this was
750
00:46:01.329 --> 00:46:05.389
in a place where there were absolutely no children. And, uh,
751
00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:07.920
they just, he's, he gets good stuff. I'll really be
752
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.280
interested to see what he gets when he does come
753
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:12.619
to the Scott County jail.
754
00:46:13.659 --> 00:46:14.000
Yeah.
755
00:46:14.019 --> 00:46:16.739
I actually had the pleasure of getting to meet him
756
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:21.230
in person at Henry River Mill Village there in, uh, Hickory,
757
00:46:21.289 --> 00:46:22.150
North Carolina.
758
00:46:22.989 --> 00:46:26.039
And, um, Now is that the one that they used
759
00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:27.090
in the hunger games?
760
00:46:27.889 --> 00:46:28.969
It is. It is.
761
00:46:28.989 --> 00:46:29.860
Yeah.
762
00:46:29.909 --> 00:46:36.469
That, that he mentioned that great location and, um, great,
763
00:46:36.869 --> 00:46:41.809
great EVPs from that place. Um, you know, that's, that's probably, uh,
764
00:46:42.989 --> 00:46:45.889
I was speaking at an event and playing some of
765
00:46:45.909 --> 00:46:48.210
the EVPs there. I think it was their booze and
766
00:46:48.250 --> 00:46:51.369
brews event that they had a few years back and,
767
00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:56.199
I know it's not very far from where Michael lives
768
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.519
or where he lived at one time at least. And
769
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.139
so he came over and actually got to meet him
770
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.710
in person. And I just love chatting with him because
771
00:47:05.750 --> 00:47:10.909
he's got some great stories and just an amazing investigator.
772
00:47:10.929 --> 00:47:17.059
Yeah, and I've been on Cisco Murdoch's Journey to the
773
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:20.929
Gay Paranormal Portal podcast. I've been on with her when
774
00:47:20.949 --> 00:47:22.780
he's been a guest too. That's the first place I
775
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.219
met him several years ago. And he's just fascinating. And
776
00:47:26.260 --> 00:47:29.000
he's lived some of the same places I have. He
777
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.610
lived in mountain city, Tennessee for a while, which is
778
00:47:32.050 --> 00:47:34.190
way up in the Northeastern tip up there. A lot
779
00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:36.309
of spooky stuff up there too. Yeah.
780
00:47:36.969 --> 00:47:37.170
Yeah.
781
00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:41.650
Jonesboro and all that up in that, the old part
782
00:47:41.730 --> 00:47:43.920
of East Tennessee there.
783
00:47:43.940 --> 00:47:44.019
Yeah.
784
00:47:45.099 --> 00:47:47.989
And that was a, Nice thing about Mountain City, you
785
00:47:48.030 --> 00:47:51.139
were close to Boone, North Carolina. And from there, it
786
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.539
wasn't too far on over to Brown Mountain. I've seen
787
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.059
the Brown Mountain lights several times. Or you could go
788
00:47:57.260 --> 00:48:03.650
to Damascus, Virginia, or down to Johnson City and the Tri-Cities.
789
00:48:03.670 --> 00:48:06.289
A lot of haunted stuff down there. ETSU, that campus
790
00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:10.380
is supposed to be haunted. And Abingdon, Virginia, just down
791
00:48:10.420 --> 00:48:14.159
the road from Damascus there. the Martha Washington Inn, and
792
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.159
then across the street from that, Barter Theater. Both those
793
00:48:17.179 --> 00:48:19.059
locations are just super active.
794
00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:21.139
Yeah, yeah.
795
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:26.449
And, I mean, just, I don't think there's a shortage
796
00:48:26.869 --> 00:48:31.469
of places here in East Tennessee or just in Tennessee
797
00:48:31.530 --> 00:48:35.230
itself that doesn't have something going on.
798
00:48:35.849 --> 00:48:39.380
So out of the places that you have visited or investigated,
799
00:48:39.889 --> 00:48:42.440
Steven Barnes- Oh, what do you consider the most active
800
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.440
or the one that was the scariest for you the
801
00:48:44.579 --> 00:48:47.679
sleeping in the prison that that sounds scary to me.
802
00:48:48.739 --> 00:48:52.940
That was pretty intense. Like I said, I think on
803
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.300
that one, I probably got the, it's probably some of
804
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.340
the best EVPs that I've ever captured because what I
805
00:49:00.409 --> 00:49:05.230
did was, so I'm typically a solo investigator, but I
806
00:49:05.289 --> 00:49:08.429
will collab on some and I like to keep it
807
00:49:08.809 --> 00:49:11.909
small when I'm investigating. That way I can account for
808
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.420
You know, just investigate with one or two other people
809
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:18.309
if I'm not investigating solo, just so I can account
810
00:49:18.369 --> 00:49:22.340
for everything that's going on. But on, on that particular night, um,
811
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:27.280
it was part of a full weekend investigation. And so
812
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.159
the first day I was investigating or the first night
813
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.900
I was investigating by myself. And then the second night, um,
814
00:49:35.409 --> 00:49:38.230
the folks that run the paranormal there was doing something
815
00:49:38.269 --> 00:49:40.809
a little special and different. And they had invited back
816
00:49:41.369 --> 00:49:45.869
some of their, um, friends that had best investigated, uh,
817
00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:49.070
early on. And so I was one of the people
818
00:49:49.130 --> 00:49:53.260
they had invested, they had invited back. And so there
819
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.599
was about, about nine other people that were coming back
820
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.239
on that Saturday night. And so, um, so I had
821
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:06.300
investigated all night, Friday night, and it was about, 830
822
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:10.480
that morning and so I thought I'm gonna I'm gonna
823
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.340
try something a little bit different from what I typically
824
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:17.500
do and I put a recorder out as well as
825
00:50:17.579 --> 00:50:20.650
some cameras and I went over to the hole to
826
00:50:20.730 --> 00:50:22.829
sleep I just kind of felt drawn to sleep there
827
00:50:22.869 --> 00:50:25.369
and part of that was because it was it was
828
00:50:25.449 --> 00:50:30.219
dark and so it was dark and cooler um but
829
00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:33.400
uh the hole is just what it sounds like it's
830
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:38.050
basically a hole there that there were three different cells.
831
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.750
And that's where they would put, if you'd misbehaved, they
832
00:50:42.769 --> 00:50:45.349
would put you in there. And basically you had two buckets,
833
00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:47.829
one to use the bathroom in and one for your food.
834
00:50:48.670 --> 00:50:53.329
And it said that basically it was so dark that
835
00:50:53.489 --> 00:50:55.710
by the time you came out of there, most people,
836
00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:58.800
they had a hard time seeing because they would be
837
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:02.519
in there for like up to 28 days. And so,
838
00:51:02.539 --> 00:51:06.659
so basically, I was, I didn't even know if I'd
839
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.920
be able to sleep, but I was so tired after investigating.
840
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:12.320
And I thought if I can just get just a
841
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.679
little bit of, you know, a few hours of sleep,
842
00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:18.880
I'll be fine. And I actually went right off to
843
00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:23.079
sleep and I did wake up just a couple times.
844
00:51:23.860 --> 00:51:28.210
Nothing touched me. Nothing made a sound that I was
845
00:51:28.309 --> 00:51:31.590
able to pinpoint that woke me up, at least.
846
00:51:31.389 --> 00:51:32.010
In the moment.
847
00:51:32.590 --> 00:51:35.329
But when I went back and watched my video and
848
00:51:35.489 --> 00:51:40.690
audio evidence, there was somebody walking. And of course, the
849
00:51:40.730 --> 00:51:44.710
only people on the property that morning was myself and
850
00:51:44.750 --> 00:51:47.949
then the two ladies that run the paranormal there. And
851
00:51:47.989 --> 00:51:51.469
they were actually asleep in the office. And so I
852
00:51:52.550 --> 00:51:55.500
was in the hole was in a totally different building
853
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:01.559
than the main prison. And so you hear something walking.
854
00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:06.980
in the hall or on the stairs there. And it
855
00:52:07.059 --> 00:52:09.860
sounds like it comes up to my door and in
856
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:15.429
just this deep garbled gravelly voice, you hear something say night,
857
00:52:15.489 --> 00:52:19.150
night and, uh, as clear as can be.
858
00:52:19.170 --> 00:52:23.130
Um, and then what I, what I.
859
00:52:23.150 --> 00:52:25.690
Did was I put it together as a montage and
860
00:52:25.750 --> 00:52:31.699
I highlighted it in season two of, um, of Ghostbiker Explorations.
861
00:52:32.230 --> 00:52:36.329
But basically, at one point, you hear a conversation of
862
00:52:36.389 --> 00:52:38.909
two men. There were no men on the property that morning.
863
00:52:39.349 --> 00:52:42.469
You hear a conversation of two men. One sounds like
864
00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:45.050
they may be in my cell. The other sounds like
865
00:52:46.010 --> 00:52:50.909
the cell beside me. It's real muffled. And then you
866
00:52:50.989 --> 00:52:54.860
hear this deep voice guy say, help me. And then
867
00:52:55.380 --> 00:53:00.099
it was like a whisper that says, help me. And
868
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:05.519
it sounds clearly male. And it sounded almost in distress.
869
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:13.690
There's laughing going on and cell doors slamming. And then
870
00:53:13.710 --> 00:53:19.250
at one point, it sounds like, I believe this was residual.
871
00:53:19.409 --> 00:53:22.289
And at this time, this would have been, I believe
872
00:53:24.289 --> 00:53:27.550
in 2015 or 16. So Brushy was not open. There
873
00:53:27.570 --> 00:53:30.690
was no power in the building and it wasn't open enough.
874
00:53:31.150 --> 00:53:37.010
It didn't open until 2019 for people to come in
875
00:53:37.429 --> 00:53:42.380
and actually be able to take tours and the museum
876
00:53:42.429 --> 00:53:45.800
and such. It wasn't open until then. So on the
877
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.239
upper level above the hole, that's where the laundry room is.
878
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.500
And so at one point in time, you hear what
879
00:53:54.579 --> 00:53:58.280
sounds like a dryer door slam. And then it sounds
880
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:03.500
like it's running, which at. you know, eight, nine o'clock
881
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.340
in the morning, that would have been when laundry would
882
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.679
have been going on. So I was getting a lot
883
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.880
of residual sounds, but you can hear that unmistakable dryer
884
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.260
sound and there was no power there. And then the
885
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.969
thing that was the most puzzling to me was for
886
00:54:21.130 --> 00:54:25.530
five minutes straight toward the end of the recording, you
887
00:54:25.570 --> 00:54:30.400
hear what sounds almost like a ball of being bounced
888
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.239
against the wall it's almost like it bounces on the
889
00:54:34.300 --> 00:54:38.039
floor hits the wall bounces back onto the floor and
890
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:42.679
back to the hand and it goes for five whole
891
00:54:42.739 --> 00:54:45.360
minutes and it's just a back and forth now I
892
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.820
don't know if that's if it was a ball that's
893
00:54:47.860 --> 00:54:51.329
just what it sounded like to me because it's just
894
00:54:51.369 --> 00:54:56.630
consistent for five minutes and I was on a podcast
895
00:54:56.769 --> 00:55:01.599
playing that series of EVPs And I was talking to
896
00:55:01.659 --> 00:55:04.619
a guy who used to be a former corrections officer
897
00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:09.030
up in New England. And he said that actually makes
898
00:55:09.070 --> 00:55:12.090
a lot of sense because he said at that point
899
00:55:12.150 --> 00:55:16.949
in time, in the late 70s, early 80s, it wouldn't
900
00:55:16.969 --> 00:55:19.440
have been uncommon for them to have been given a
901
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.269
rubber ball because they a rubber ball would be something
902
00:55:23.309 --> 00:55:26.199
that would be a little bit harder to fashion into
903
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:28.320
some type of shank.
904
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:30.420
And so.
905
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.380
I believe that was some type of residual thing that
906
00:55:36.860 --> 00:55:39.409
could have been very common that you would hear there
907
00:55:39.469 --> 00:55:40.250
inside the hole.
908
00:55:41.510 --> 00:55:45.309
Wow. That's quite a story. I don't think I could
909
00:55:45.349 --> 00:55:47.769
sleep in there. And I've spent the night in some
910
00:55:47.809 --> 00:55:51.510
haunted places, but there's just something about a prison that
911
00:55:52.030 --> 00:55:54.389
And I've seen Alcatraz and stuff, but I don't think
912
00:55:54.469 --> 00:55:58.769
I would want to spend the night in any prison. Although,
913
00:55:58.869 --> 00:56:00.909
when I do come back to Tennessee, I might do
914
00:56:00.929 --> 00:56:04.119
one of those overnights in the Scott County Jail. That
915
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:05.099
sounds fascinating.
916
00:56:05.539 --> 00:56:07.599
I would love to see what you would get there
917
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.099
at the Scott County Jail. You know, to me, that
918
00:56:12.139 --> 00:56:16.019
kind of changed. I was not expecting to hear all
919
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.579
that when I was going back and reviewing my evidence.
920
00:56:18.900 --> 00:56:19.929
And so.
921
00:56:20.829 --> 00:56:23.849
if I get the opportunity when I'm at a location
922
00:56:24.010 --> 00:56:27.280
and I can, I don't spend my time sleeping at
923
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:31.119
the places, but if I can either stay overnight or
924
00:56:31.219 --> 00:56:34.420
lay down for a few hours, I get a lot
925
00:56:34.460 --> 00:56:40.789
of different things when I'm actively investigating versus when I'm
926
00:56:41.590 --> 00:56:47.190
in more of a subconscious, relaxed, vulnerable state of sleeping. And,
927
00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:51.050
I really like trying that sometimes because sometimes if it's
928
00:56:51.110 --> 00:56:55.429
a quiet night, nothing's happening. Things it's, it's almost like
929
00:56:55.489 --> 00:56:58.789
turning on a light switch when I'm laying there sleeping,
930
00:56:58.849 --> 00:57:05.949
because sometimes I get intelligent responses based on what I'm doing,
931
00:57:06.190 --> 00:57:09.949
you know, and, and, uh, if I'm sleeping, um, I
932
00:57:10.469 --> 00:57:13.949
don't know if it is unusual to the spirits there
933
00:57:14.190 --> 00:57:19.039
or if maybe they're more comfortable communicating when I'm in
934
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:24.440
that vulnerable state. I haven't really figured out exactly why
935
00:57:24.460 --> 00:57:28.800
I get that different activity, but it's definitely an experiment
936
00:57:28.900 --> 00:57:31.719
I like to try, especially in a place like a prison,
937
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.860
because it would have been unusual or uncommon for a
938
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.440
female to be in the hall.
939
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:41.550
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Nothing else. I don't
940
00:57:41.670 --> 00:57:42.710
stir the spirits up.
941
00:57:43.289 --> 00:57:43.570
Yeah.
942
00:57:43.849 --> 00:57:44.170
Yeah.
943
00:57:44.869 --> 00:57:48.610
So but now at our jail, we had both male
944
00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:52.719
and female inmates inside there. But of course, at the
945
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.019
big prison, they really the only females that were in
946
00:57:57.059 --> 00:58:00.760
there would have been ones who were either cooking or
947
00:58:01.219 --> 00:58:03.420
worked in administration of some sorts.
948
00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:06.929
Well, now, what about as far as your bucket list?
949
00:58:06.969 --> 00:58:09.869
What is some place that you haven't been that you'd
950
00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:12.250
love to go? What's the top of your list there?
951
00:58:13.369 --> 00:58:17.159
You know, I would love to load up the bike
952
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:23.800
and head out maybe on Route 66, stopping at some
953
00:58:23.820 --> 00:58:27.480
of the different local legends or some of the different
954
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.730
stories there along that route.
955
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:32.340
That's a fun drive.
956
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.219
I've done it in a car, but it would be
957
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.920
great on a bike. And I was in a hurry.
958
00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:39.639
I was moving from Orlando to Las Vegas and, uh,
959
00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.980
I think I left, uh, Orlando on a Thursday and
960
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.079
I had a job waiting on me in Vegas Monday.
961
00:58:45.099 --> 00:58:47.219
So I didn't get to take a whole lot of
962
00:58:47.300 --> 00:58:50.679
time to see the country, but, uh, I'd love to
963
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.340
do that just as a leisurely drive. And there's a
964
00:58:53.340 --> 00:58:55.710
lot of places along that route too.
965
00:58:56.329 --> 00:58:56.630
Yes.
966
00:58:56.730 --> 00:59:00.269
So many places to just stop, you know, and, and, um,
967
00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:05.000
hit up some of those well-known places, I would either
968
00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:09.019
like to do that or just take off on on
969
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.199
several different bike rides and and hit i'd like to
970
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:17.699
hit some locations there on route 66 several on the
971
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:23.789
mississippi blues trail and then like the natchez trace and
972
00:59:23.829 --> 00:59:27.820
just see if if, uh, you know, get the ride
973
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:31.900
in itself, but then stop at several of those places and, and,
974
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:34.050
or stop at as many of them as I could
975
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:38.510
and share those stories and, uh, see if there's any
976
00:59:38.610 --> 00:59:40.369
paranormal activity along the way.
977
00:59:41.210 --> 00:59:41.510
Wow.
978
00:59:41.670 --> 00:59:44.710
Sounds like a lot of fun. Um, book wise, what
979
00:59:44.730 --> 00:59:45.750
are you up to? Have you got a book in
980
00:59:45.769 --> 00:59:46.150
the works?
981
00:59:47.909 --> 00:59:52.150
You know, I've got one that I've been kicking around that, um, is,
982
00:59:52.329 --> 00:59:56.929
is a little bit different. I bet, um, you know, I, so,
983
00:59:57.090 --> 00:59:59.829
so I'm an artist and I draw a lot of
984
00:59:59.949 --> 01:00:01.630
the locations that I visit.
985
01:00:02.530 --> 01:00:04.469
Um, I'm trying to draw all.
986
01:00:04.329 --> 01:00:10.210
Of them, but, um, um, the book is, is part
987
01:00:10.269 --> 01:00:15.269
drawing and part, uh, investigation and it's kind of chronicling
988
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:20.880
those investigations that I've done. And with, with the artwork
989
01:00:21.139 --> 01:00:24.599
that I've done, uh, I've no idea when that will,
990
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.639
When that will be finished, but it's something.
991
01:00:27.380 --> 01:00:29.409
I've been working on. Sounds fascinating. I look forward to it,
992
01:00:29.409 --> 01:00:33.750
especially with the artwork and describing or showing what you're
993
01:00:33.789 --> 01:00:35.329
describing there. That'd be great.
994
01:00:35.809 --> 01:00:36.949
Well, thank you. Thank you.
995
01:00:36.989 --> 01:00:40.309
Yeah, just like I said, it's just something a little
996
01:00:40.329 --> 01:00:44.460
bit different because I always, that's how I fund my
997
01:00:44.500 --> 01:00:47.440
web series is through my artwork, through the sale of
998
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.420
the prints. And so I always try to draw the
999
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:54.760
location and give the uh give the original to the
1000
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.469
owner of the location whether it be either a commercial
1001
01:00:58.510 --> 01:01:02.030
location or um a lesser known place.
1002
01:01:02.230 --> 01:01:06.250
And then um i get prints made of it and then.
1003
01:01:06.170 --> 01:01:08.659
I i fund my travels by the sale of those
1004
01:01:08.739 --> 01:01:10.400
prints and so that's.
1005
01:01:10.219 --> 01:01:12.440
Cool now what are those available that you have like
1006
01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:14.019
an etsy shop or do you sell them on your
1007
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:15.300
website or i've.
1008
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:19.010
Got them on my website yeah And, uh, but if somebody,
1009
01:01:19.269 --> 01:01:22.010
you know, sees something there, they can also just reach
1010
01:01:22.090 --> 01:01:23.750
out to me. I've got them, got them on my
1011
01:01:23.769 --> 01:01:28.449
Facebook page, but then also on, uh, ghostbikerexplorations.com.
1012
01:01:28.789 --> 01:01:33.159
I'll put those links in the show description. Well, Miranda,
1013
01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:35.280
we're almost out of time here tonight, but I want
1014
01:01:35.300 --> 01:01:37.000
to thank you for joining me. And I look forward
1015
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.719
to being on your show at the end of the month.
1016
01:01:39.739 --> 01:01:41.610
It's been a couple of years since I've been over there,
1017
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:44.920
but thanks again for being here. And one more time,
1018
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.699
tell everybody where they can find out about you online.
1019
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:48.780
Yeah.
1020
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.239
Well, you know, first off, thank you, Steve, for having
1021
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.659
me on. This has been so much fun and any
1022
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.099
opportunity I get to be able to sit down and
1023
01:01:56.139 --> 01:01:58.760
chat with you. I always want to want to take
1024
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.340
you up on that and always appreciate that.
1025
01:02:01.969 --> 01:02:02.730
Absolutely.
1026
01:02:03.750 --> 01:02:07.070
So folks can go back and watch all of the
1027
01:02:07.110 --> 01:02:13.269
past seasons of Ghostbiker Explorations on the Ghostbiker Explorations YouTube channel.
1028
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:18.110
or the Ghostbiker Explorations Facebook page. They can also watch
1029
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.730
the weekly live stream that we do on Thursday nights
1030
01:02:22.170 --> 01:02:25.210
on those two pages as well. You can also go
1031
01:02:25.269 --> 01:02:32.940
to www.ghostbikerexplorations.com. And I believe there are links to listen
1032
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:37.300
to past podcasts, watch the past episodes. You can buy
1033
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.539
Ghostbiker merchandise, including those drawings. And find out about events
1034
01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:44.840
and special appearances that's going to be going on. Now,
1035
01:02:46.139 --> 01:02:49.239
you can follow, you can also follow us under the
1036
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:58.159
Historic Scott County Jail Facebook page or the HistoricScottCoJail.com. And
1037
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:01.800
then also if you look up Historic Rugby After Dark,
1038
01:03:02.260 --> 01:03:04.710
you can find out more information about all the cool
1039
01:03:04.750 --> 01:03:07.949
things that we've got going on there at rugby. Or
1040
01:03:07.989 --> 01:03:11.800
we have one full website. that has a link to
1041
01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:17.940
the jail and a link to rugby, and that is historyhighwayshaunts.com.
1042
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.690
That's awesome. Thanks again, Miranda. And be sure and check
1043
01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:24.909
out Miranda's links there. Thanks again, Miranda.
1044
01:03:25.449 --> 01:03:26.190
Thank you, Steve.
1045
01:03:26.369 --> 01:03:30.349
Ghost Biker Explorations and the Historic Scott County Jail. And
1046
01:03:30.429 --> 01:03:33.090
joining me for this hour of everything out there here
1047
01:03:33.269 --> 01:03:38.650
on the Clyde Lewis Ground Zero Radio Network is international author, paranormalist,
1048
01:03:38.829 --> 01:03:42.550
and death doula, Lynn Monet. Lynn, thanks for joining us again.
1049
01:03:42.610 --> 01:03:43.250
Come on in here.
1050
01:03:43.809 --> 01:03:46.300
Oh, Steve, thank you so much for inviting me. It's
1051
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:48.480
always a pleasure, and I was really looking forward to
1052
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:49.719
doing this with you tonight.
1053
01:03:50.179 --> 01:03:52.800
Yeah, I had you on recently. We talked about you
1054
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:56.699
being the paranormal nurse. That was what I titled that episode,
1055
01:03:56.739 --> 01:04:00.760
but tonight I'd like to talk about your books, in particular,
1056
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:04.460
Omnipresent and that series. So the floor is yours.
1057
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.889
Oh, well, thank you so much. I have Omnipresent is
1058
01:04:09.949 --> 01:04:12.769
a book that I wrote about a house that I
1059
01:04:12.809 --> 01:04:16.809
moved into as a single mother that was so haunted
1060
01:04:16.849 --> 01:04:19.050
that I never was able to move into it. I
1061
01:04:19.110 --> 01:04:24.210
ended up reselling it like eight months later. With that
1062
01:04:24.269 --> 01:04:26.949
being said, Omnipresent is going to end up being a
1063
01:04:27.050 --> 01:04:29.489
series of five books, which I'll go into the detail
1064
01:04:29.510 --> 01:04:31.409
of a little bit more of them, a little bit
1065
01:04:31.449 --> 01:04:34.550
of each of them. There's Omnipresent, which is the first one,
1066
01:04:34.570 --> 01:04:36.469
of course, about the house that I didn't move into.
1067
01:04:36.489 --> 01:04:41.250
Then there's a second one, It's called Omnipresent, What Happened Next?
1068
01:04:41.869 --> 01:04:44.769
Because everybody wanted to know what had happened next. So
1069
01:04:45.670 --> 01:04:48.809
in that book, it talks about what happened with the
1070
01:04:48.869 --> 01:04:51.789
people that bought the house. It talks about what happened
1071
01:04:52.349 --> 01:04:55.550
about with the people that sold me the house and
1072
01:04:55.630 --> 01:04:59.780
all of how that came together, as well as because
1073
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:01.989
of being in that house and connecting with people of
1074
01:05:02.070 --> 01:05:07.010
like mind, I was able to... start enriching some gifts
1075
01:05:07.130 --> 01:05:09.449
that I had that I had kind of shoved aside
1076
01:05:09.510 --> 01:05:14.269
due to being taught that they were negative things to have,
1077
01:05:14.309 --> 01:05:19.190
that they were kind of crazy and very negative things.
1078
01:05:19.289 --> 01:05:21.960
So I was able to do that. And with that,
1079
01:05:22.139 --> 01:05:25.039
I was able to also continue with my gift of
1080
01:05:25.099 --> 01:05:29.119
second sight and be more opened with it. That being said,
1081
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.659
in the second book, Omnipresent, What Happens Next?, I did
1082
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:36.489
a rotation as a nurse to further my degree. And
1083
01:05:36.550 --> 01:05:39.429
I had to do a rotation through a psychiatric ward
1084
01:05:39.469 --> 01:05:43.079
for my psych class. We were put in different institutions
1085
01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:45.239
for like a week at a time where we would
1086
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.280
follow certain patients. And in that, it talks about how
1087
01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:55.349
I recognized attachments on people with schizophrenia and attachments, a
1088
01:05:55.389 --> 01:06:02.789
different type of attachment, on people with addiction. And it
1089
01:06:03.070 --> 01:06:06.769
was consistent. Bear with me one second. I'm sorry. Bear
1090
01:06:06.789 --> 01:06:08.869
with me one second. I'm sorry. I've got a little
1091
01:06:08.909 --> 01:06:09.849
kitten playing with my.
1092
01:06:09.789 --> 01:06:12.130
Leg under the table. No worries.
1093
01:06:13.030 --> 01:06:14.630
I had to call my daughter to come and get
1094
01:06:14.670 --> 01:06:17.730
it because it's kind of biting me. So he wants
1095
01:06:17.789 --> 01:06:22.489
to play and he's just a little ruffian. So with that,
1096
01:06:23.010 --> 01:06:27.130
I've started to connect with Dr. Jerry Marvinsky, who is
1097
01:06:27.250 --> 01:06:31.690
a trailblazer in Arizona, who has come up with new
1098
01:06:31.750 --> 01:06:37.409
ways to treat schizophrenia without medication. And his technique is
1099
01:06:37.469 --> 01:06:40.429
very successful with many of his clients, but I connected
1100
01:06:40.469 --> 01:06:43.400
up with him. So I had some things that I'm
1101
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.039
doing are kind of going down that avenue and helping
1102
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.639
remove attachments and things on people. But then there's the
1103
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.199
third book in the omnipresent series, which will end up
1104
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:56.670
being a series of five books total. The third book
1105
01:06:56.769 --> 01:07:00.449
is one 11 Beckett on drive. It's a story about
1106
01:07:00.550 --> 01:07:04.329
where I actually signed a lease and to an apartment
1107
01:07:04.409 --> 01:07:08.500
townhouse when I was kind of frantic looking to move.
1108
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.519
My lease was ending in the other place and I
1109
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.099
was trying to find an affordable place and come to
1110
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.880
find out that that place was also haunted. Only this
1111
01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:18.860
time I couldn't get out of my lease and I
1112
01:07:18.989 --> 01:07:21.809
had to move in there. And I had to live
1113
01:07:21.849 --> 01:07:25.469
there the whole stinking year, putting up with a ghost
1114
01:07:26.690 --> 01:07:29.550
that literally, I have a picture of, I took a
1115
01:07:29.590 --> 01:07:32.179
picture of it that was going from townhouse to townhouse.
1116
01:07:34.230 --> 01:07:36.469
pulling down women's underwear in the middle of the night,
1117
01:07:36.590 --> 01:07:39.239
pulling their sheets down, crawling in bed with them. He
1118
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:42.639
was tapping on the nightstand. There were several ghosts in
1119
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:45.460
the house, but this one in particular seemed to be
1120
01:07:45.539 --> 01:07:48.920
darker than the rest, and he kind of manipulated all
1121
01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:51.369
of the rest of the spirits that were kind of
1122
01:07:51.429 --> 01:07:55.539
lingering in that building. Of course, I did try to
1123
01:07:55.579 --> 01:07:57.579
get out of it, but I was unable to. And
1124
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.039
because of the circumstances, I walked right into it. I
1125
01:08:01.099 --> 01:08:04.280
didn't take the time to go in with my feelers on,
1126
01:08:04.340 --> 01:08:07.239
so to speak. I literally met the lady with the
1127
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.789
deposit that it didn't assign papers on my first viewing.
1128
01:08:11.929 --> 01:08:14.449
So I walked through. I took 10 minutes. And some
1129
01:08:14.489 --> 01:08:16.970
things also happened with that where I found out from
1130
01:08:17.069 --> 01:08:21.810
the maid that the cleaning person that that particular apartment
1131
01:08:21.850 --> 01:08:23.829
had a portal in it as well as the one
1132
01:08:23.890 --> 01:08:27.729
next door to it. And little by little, and I'll
1133
01:08:27.750 --> 01:08:31.069
go into more of it after I tell you about
1134
01:08:31.449 --> 01:08:36.039
the book things, but little by little, I ended up
1135
01:08:36.100 --> 01:08:38.779
having a meeting in the parking lot, everybody in their
1136
01:08:38.819 --> 01:08:41.039
lawn chairs. And we all started talking about the things
1137
01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:42.779
that had been happening in our house. And I got
1138
01:08:42.819 --> 01:08:45.340
a picture of the ghost and usually they show up
1139
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.920
with clothes on. Most of the time, I mean, nobody
1140
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:51.470
wants to see mom naked, especially if you're crossing over. So,
1141
01:08:51.550 --> 01:08:54.229
you know, kind of make you want to run in
1142
01:08:54.270 --> 01:08:57.029
the other direction. So they usually show up in clothes,
1143
01:08:57.050 --> 01:08:59.949
but there are times that they don't, and this was
1144
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.579
one of those times. And so I did get a
1145
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:08.470
picture of the naked ghost in this lady's house. After
1146
01:09:08.510 --> 01:09:11.729
that one, the fourth book in the Omnipresent series is
1147
01:09:11.770 --> 01:09:17.670
going to be Omnipresent Gnome, as in G-N-O-M-E, Gnome Place
1148
01:09:17.729 --> 01:09:22.069
Like Home. It is a story about a house that
1149
01:09:22.109 --> 01:09:25.390
I recently inherited when my sister passed away in June
1150
01:09:26.170 --> 01:09:30.770
that she was under the impression was haunted. She felt
1151
01:09:30.829 --> 01:09:35.579
that there might be people doing dark magic on her
1152
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.460
with some of the things that were happening in her life,
1153
01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:43.510
that her business was failing, her health was failing, and
1154
01:09:43.550 --> 01:09:46.270
all of these things. So she assumed... Because she couldn't
1155
01:09:46.649 --> 01:09:49.289
understand any other reason why it wouldn't be working out
1156
01:09:49.329 --> 01:09:52.109
that it was because people were doing things. And it
1157
01:09:52.149 --> 01:09:54.229
turned out not to be any of those things. But
1158
01:09:56.949 --> 01:10:01.250
when she passed away, she came back and she's like,
1159
01:10:01.289 --> 01:10:04.189
did you see him? Did you see him? She had
1160
01:10:06.189 --> 01:10:11.920
a Bogart that has now evolved into a rockin' type fae.
1161
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.619
that was living on her property and was very, very
1162
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:19.239
disgruntled and angry with her because she had removed a
1163
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:21.899
rock from the yard that belonged to him and placed
1164
01:10:21.939 --> 01:10:25.300
it in a room upstairs in her house. And like
1165
01:10:25.539 --> 01:10:28.279
a parent to a child, I mean, if somebody abducted
1166
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:31.050
my child, I know that I would be doing terrible
1167
01:10:31.090 --> 01:10:32.369
things to them if I could.
1168
01:10:32.770 --> 01:10:33.789
Oh, absolutely.
1169
01:10:34.529 --> 01:10:35.470
Go ahead.
1170
01:10:36.170 --> 01:10:39.510
Oh, I just said absolutely. You don't stand for that.
1171
01:10:39.529 --> 01:10:42.350
You don't get it between a bear and their cubs.
1172
01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:46.119
That is for sure. And that's kind of what happened
1173
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:50.960
because this rock was very precious to this fae who
1174
01:10:50.979 --> 01:10:54.869
we now call Bob because his name is such a
1175
01:10:55.170 --> 01:10:59.970
group of letters and symbols that we don't even recognize
1176
01:11:00.069 --> 01:11:02.850
that it would be impossible to pronounce his name practically.
1177
01:11:03.229 --> 01:11:06.829
Kind of like a Rumpelstiltskin thing, but even worse than that.
1178
01:11:06.930 --> 01:11:09.539
So we've agreed to call him Bob and he's okay
1179
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.140
with that. So I referenced him as Bob. But Bob has...
1180
01:11:13.210 --> 01:11:19.319
since evolved into this very delightful entity that enchants the
1181
01:11:19.340 --> 01:11:23.659
house now instead of haunts it. So it's very, very,
1182
01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:27.520
he does some very beautiful things. And I'll go into
1183
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:31.840
that story as well. Also, it's verified. If anybody's questioning,
1184
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.550
it is verified. We've had a paranormal group or two
1185
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.390
out there that have also done the EDP readings. They've
1186
01:11:37.430 --> 01:11:41.800
actually seen Bob. Bob presents at the gate. unlike ghosts
1187
01:11:41.859 --> 01:11:44.220
who kind of linger back and wait to watch you
1188
01:11:44.300 --> 01:11:47.460
for a little while. This guy presents at the gate
1189
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.279
when you arrive. He is like the first man there to,
1190
01:11:51.460 --> 01:11:55.020
to greet you. So he doesn't, he's not bashful and
1191
01:11:55.060 --> 01:11:57.630
he does come forward, but so I'm going to be
1192
01:11:57.670 --> 01:11:59.449
writing that. And then there'll be a fifth book in
1193
01:11:59.489 --> 01:12:02.430
the series. I haven't quite decided which direction it's going
1194
01:12:02.449 --> 01:12:05.050
to go because it seems like life keeps throwing curve
1195
01:12:05.090 --> 01:12:08.390
balls and heading me in other directions, but it'll be again,
1196
01:12:08.470 --> 01:12:12.029
something on that line. With the Known Place Like Home,
1197
01:12:12.069 --> 01:12:16.359
there'll be two additional books that spawn, for lack of
1198
01:12:16.420 --> 01:12:19.060
a better word, off of that book. So there'll be
1199
01:12:19.100 --> 01:12:22.260
three books in that Known Place Like Home series off
1200
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:25.640
of the Omnipresent, and there'll be a total of five
1201
01:12:25.819 --> 01:12:28.680
in the Omnipresent series. I also have the book The
1202
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:33.520
Colors of Heaven, Beginnings Never End Out, which is a
1203
01:12:33.619 --> 01:12:40.279
beautiful story about death and dying. I've been a... End-of-life
1204
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.250
care nurse. I've been a nurse for 40 years. I
1205
01:12:42.289 --> 01:12:46.140
just turned 61 two weeks ago on Friday. And so
1206
01:12:46.229 --> 01:12:50.699
I've been in health care for... a long time and 17,
1207
01:12:50.699 --> 01:12:53.020
18 years of that has been an end of life care.
1208
01:12:53.340 --> 01:12:56.810
I also just recently graduated with my death doula certificate,
1209
01:12:56.869 --> 01:12:59.289
which people say, well, what is a death doula? It's
1210
01:12:59.369 --> 01:13:03.229
kind of like a midwife for people going out where
1211
01:13:03.270 --> 01:13:06.989
like a midwife helps bring babies in. A death doula
1212
01:13:07.109 --> 01:13:10.680
is like a midwife that helps them go out. So
1213
01:13:10.739 --> 01:13:13.600
that's kind of where the difference is. And then we
1214
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.890
kind of do an all-rounded thing where we help people
1215
01:13:17.350 --> 01:13:19.989
if they need help with their end-of-life directives, if they
1216
01:13:20.050 --> 01:13:23.050
need guidance on setting things up. We help them do
1217
01:13:23.090 --> 01:13:26.390
that by themselves so they don't have to pay like
1218
01:13:26.430 --> 01:13:28.789
an attorney or something like that, because a lot of
1219
01:13:28.829 --> 01:13:30.600
it you can do yourself. And as long as your
1220
01:13:30.609 --> 01:13:33.140
signature is notarized, it's good to go. I'm going to
1221
01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:36.180
be writing a sequel to that one since my sister's passing,
1222
01:13:36.260 --> 01:13:39.039
because the thing that I noticed is that when my
1223
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:42.260
mother passed, she stayed in her body until the last minute.
1224
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.449
And my sister, I saw her leave about 45 minutes early.
1225
01:13:45.529 --> 01:13:48.689
So at the time of The soul leaving, it could
1226
01:13:48.710 --> 01:13:51.510
be days before, it could be at the last minute,
1227
01:13:51.590 --> 01:13:53.609
and then the body's just left to finish. And a
1228
01:13:53.649 --> 01:13:56.529
lot of times people assume that when the body takes
1229
01:13:56.590 --> 01:13:59.189
its last breath, that that's when the soul leaves, and
1230
01:13:59.210 --> 01:14:02.340
that's not true. It leaves whenever it wants to leave.
1231
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.720
And a lot of times, you know, the person, spirit
1232
01:14:05.739 --> 01:14:08.479
might be standing right next to you while you're looking
1233
01:14:08.699 --> 01:14:11.800
at themselves laying there is just the same as a person,
1234
01:14:11.939 --> 01:14:15.180
a guest is in the room. So I have another book.
1235
01:14:15.460 --> 01:14:18.199
that is off the beaten path. It's not paranormal related,
1236
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.750
but it is teenage and adolescent related. It's called The Gap.
1237
01:14:24.550 --> 01:14:27.090
I was looking for a book for my own daughter,
1238
01:14:27.689 --> 01:14:31.590
who is now 15 and a half. And there was
1239
01:14:31.649 --> 01:14:34.350
kind of this gap of information between the birds and
1240
01:14:34.369 --> 01:14:37.409
the bees where they leave off and where the human
1241
01:14:37.449 --> 01:14:41.880
trafficking picks up. There's that gray area, like about, you know,
1242
01:14:43.100 --> 01:14:46.579
dating and putting your phone away when you go out
1243
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:48.640
on a date, because now you see kids sitting across
1244
01:14:48.699 --> 01:14:50.800
tables from themselves and they're both on their phones and
1245
01:14:50.819 --> 01:14:53.619
they're supposed to be on a date. Or, you know,
1246
01:14:54.020 --> 01:14:56.380
making sure that their shoes are clean and not stinky.
1247
01:14:56.470 --> 01:14:58.890
And it, you know, talks about, too, what to do
1248
01:14:58.909 --> 01:15:01.109
if a condom breaks. So it's not that I'm encouraging
1249
01:15:01.149 --> 01:15:03.829
your children to have sex, but if they are having sex,
1250
01:15:03.869 --> 01:15:06.050
they need to know what to do if a condom
1251
01:15:06.069 --> 01:15:08.149
does slip off or break so that they can protect
1252
01:15:08.189 --> 01:15:12.350
their future. And also to clear up any misconceptions, like
1253
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:16.140
the first time that they have an intimate moment with
1254
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:18.840
someone that they can't get pregnant. Well, I got news
1255
01:15:18.899 --> 01:15:21.359
for you. Yes, you can. So there are all these
1256
01:15:21.420 --> 01:15:27.579
misconceptions that these kids have that aren't really covered. for
1257
01:15:27.619 --> 01:15:29.779
them in that much detail and they kind of figure
1258
01:15:29.819 --> 01:15:32.390
it out as they go. So that's what that book
1259
01:15:32.430 --> 01:15:34.710
is about. It goes into also how to clean a
1260
01:15:34.729 --> 01:15:37.069
refrigerator from top to bottom and remember to turn it
1261
01:15:37.109 --> 01:15:39.810
back on when you're done. It talks about how to
1262
01:15:39.850 --> 01:15:41.409
get in and out of a trunk if you get
1263
01:15:41.470 --> 01:15:43.909
abducted and you're put in a trunk, where the trunk
1264
01:15:43.979 --> 01:15:46.260
releases on the inside, what it looks like and where
1265
01:15:46.300 --> 01:15:49.810
a crowbar is. So that if you... Get the trunk
1266
01:15:49.930 --> 01:15:52.130
open and you've got that crowbar to whack somebody in
1267
01:15:52.170 --> 01:15:54.199
the head if you have to while you're running for
1268
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:56.720
your life or whatever and how to break out the
1269
01:15:56.739 --> 01:15:59.500
back light. So there's a lot of good stuff in
1270
01:15:59.539 --> 01:16:04.300
it that is hopefully helpful, how to make right good decisions,
1271
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:07.449
how to say no, you know, to things would still
1272
01:16:07.510 --> 01:16:11.130
save place because at that age, they're so impressionable and really,
1273
01:16:11.170 --> 01:16:15.590
really wanting to be the cool kid. And this gives
1274
01:16:15.609 --> 01:16:19.489
them things. It actually tells them what to say. Not just, no,
1275
01:16:19.529 --> 01:16:22.180
you don't do this and you don't do that. But
1276
01:16:22.229 --> 01:16:25.199
it actually says, this is what you can do. And
1277
01:16:25.260 --> 01:16:28.000
this is how it will work out so that they
1278
01:16:28.020 --> 01:16:33.119
can save base and still set their boundaries and keep them.
1279
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:36.800
So those are the books that I've got out right now.
1280
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:38.979
And I'll be happy to, you wanted to kind of
1281
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:41.859
start on the very first one, which is Omnipresent. Is
1282
01:16:41.899 --> 01:16:42.319
that right?
1283
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:44.800
Yeah, I'd like to start there. They're all fascinating. And
1284
01:16:44.859 --> 01:16:47.659
I saw the gap. on Amazon, but I wasn't sure
1285
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:49.380
if that was one of yours or not, but I'm
1286
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:53.560
happy that it is. That's much needed information, especially in
1287
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:55.500
this day and age. But yeah, if you'd like to
1288
01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:58.640
go ahead and start with Omnipresent, then we'll go from there.
1289
01:16:59.180 --> 01:17:03.319
Okay, I'll be happy to. Omnipresent, again, as I had mentioned,
1290
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:05.439
is a story about a house that I purchased as
1291
01:17:05.500 --> 01:17:08.909
a single mother that I never was able to move into.
1292
01:17:10.270 --> 01:17:12.710
Leading up to the purchase of this house, I had
1293
01:17:12.750 --> 01:17:15.279
been looking for a home for about A year and
1294
01:17:15.300 --> 01:17:18.390
a half, I had this realtor person that every time
1295
01:17:18.430 --> 01:17:20.689
we would find some place because I was a single
1296
01:17:20.729 --> 01:17:24.970
mother and my income was not as high as everybody else's. I,
1297
01:17:24.989 --> 01:17:27.529
of course, was in a bracket. I could only choose
1298
01:17:27.590 --> 01:17:30.149
from a certain bracket of houses. So when we would
1299
01:17:30.189 --> 01:17:33.689
come across something decent, sometimes I would want to step
1300
01:17:33.750 --> 01:17:36.630
away and think about it and make sure. But then
1301
01:17:36.670 --> 01:17:38.470
by the time I'd go back, even a couple of
1302
01:17:38.510 --> 01:17:41.050
days later to make an offer, the house would be gone.
1303
01:17:42.060 --> 01:17:45.300
So this particular house, I got a call. from my
1304
01:17:45.989 --> 01:17:49.920
realtor and she told me that her colleague had just
1305
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:52.260
come from the house. The house was not even listed
1306
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.380
on the MLS yet, that she had just come back
1307
01:17:55.420 --> 01:17:57.680
from taking pictures of it and was getting ready to
1308
01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:02.020
list it. And that this house was almost too good.
1309
01:18:02.220 --> 01:18:04.079
It was in my price range and that it was
1310
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.039
almost too good to be true, which of course should
1311
01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:09.260
have resonated with me because it was too good to
1312
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:12.539
be true. And so I was so excited. I got ready.
1313
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.460
I drove over to the realtor's office. She's waiting out
1314
01:18:15.500 --> 01:18:17.220
front for me. We hop in the car and she's
1315
01:18:17.260 --> 01:18:20.479
giving me all of these papers to look through of
1316
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:23.760
now that it is going on to the MLS, all
1317
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:27.840
of the pictures and the particulars about how big it
1318
01:18:27.899 --> 01:18:30.640
was and what area it was in and that sort
1319
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.819
of thing. And so as we're driving there, I'm looking
1320
01:18:32.859 --> 01:18:35.939
at these pictures and I'm like, are you sure that
1321
01:18:35.979 --> 01:18:39.680
this price is right? Because This house could easily sell
1322
01:18:39.739 --> 01:18:43.399
for $ 100, 000 more than what they're asking. So we called
1323
01:18:43.420 --> 01:18:45.510
the realtor and sure enough, the price was right. And
1324
01:18:45.550 --> 01:18:48.069
then I had her make two more phone calls, one
1325
01:18:48.170 --> 01:18:51.100
asking what the problem with it was, is, you know,
1326
01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:53.619
was it next to a stinky paper mill or is
1327
01:18:53.659 --> 01:18:56.340
there a dump or junkyard at the end of the street?
1328
01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:58.819
And it was none of those things. It was on
1329
01:18:58.859 --> 01:19:02.680
a dead end street. what I call a trick-or-treat neighborhood.
1330
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:05.279
So the houses are close enough that when you go trick-or-treating,
1331
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:07.640
you can get a lot of candy, you know, by
1332
01:19:07.699 --> 01:19:11.520
going house to house. But yet it was private because
1333
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:15.289
there was a three-acre lot behind it before the other house,
1334
01:19:16.670 --> 01:19:19.550
before the house behind it connected with it. So there
1335
01:19:19.569 --> 01:19:21.729
was a lot of privacy in the back. And of course,
1336
01:19:22.170 --> 01:19:24.310
being on the dead-end street, it was quiet. It was
1337
01:19:24.390 --> 01:19:27.539
in a great school area, low taxes. It was a
1338
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:30.939
very desirable house. So as we're driving there, I'm kind
1339
01:19:30.979 --> 01:19:33.579
of checking out the neighborhood as we get closer. And
1340
01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.239
there were nice brick houses. I mean, there was nothing
1341
01:19:36.300 --> 01:19:38.840
wrong with the neighborhood. It was a couple of blocks
1342
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.310
from the hospital, which was perfect for me because I'm
1343
01:19:41.350 --> 01:19:42.939
a nurse. And I thought, well, gee, I could ride
1344
01:19:42.970 --> 01:19:45.470
my bike or walk if ever I had to. So
1345
01:19:45.489 --> 01:19:49.229
it wouldn't be a big deal. But when we pulled
1346
01:19:49.289 --> 01:19:53.689
into the driveway of this house, it was this beautiful
1347
01:19:53.729 --> 01:19:59.770
two-story brick house, split level, double entry doors. And it
1348
01:19:59.810 --> 01:20:02.430
was beautiful. It was freshly painted on this nice big
1349
01:20:02.850 --> 01:20:05.420
mode grass Florida flat lot and good luck finding one
1350
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:08.460
of those in North Carolina. And when we went up
1351
01:20:08.500 --> 01:20:11.159
to the door, it all started with the lock. And
1352
01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:13.829
the lock is a key piece throughout the story because
1353
01:20:13.890 --> 01:20:18.579
there were two demons inside. actual demons and a young
1354
01:20:18.619 --> 01:20:21.659
man that had hung himself in the house from the
1355
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:25.159
original people that built the house. This was verified by
1356
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.470
the next door neighbor who had been on the street
1357
01:20:27.529 --> 01:20:30.449
before any other houses were built, even before the road
1358
01:20:30.489 --> 01:20:33.810
was paved. He verified that. But as far as the
1359
01:20:33.850 --> 01:20:36.430
demons go, a lot of times people will assume that
1360
01:20:36.470 --> 01:20:41.100
because they have a lost soul in their house or
1361
01:20:41.140 --> 01:20:43.960
sometimes even an elemental in their house, that it's a demon.
1362
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.140
So they'll call me up and they'll say, We've got
1363
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:50.890
a demon in my house. And 99.9% of the time
1364
01:20:50.939 --> 01:20:54.109
it's not. But in this case it was. And there
1365
01:20:54.149 --> 01:20:56.130
were two of them in there. There was a hell
1366
01:20:56.170 --> 01:21:00.670
dog and another level demon that whenever I talk about,
1367
01:21:00.829 --> 01:21:03.680
usually the EVPs will come over the radio and you
1368
01:21:03.689 --> 01:21:07.520
might hear growling or snoring or sighing. So we'll just
1369
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:12.560
kind of leave it at that. Trickery starts happening with
1370
01:21:12.619 --> 01:21:15.680
the audio and any video that is on at that time.
1371
01:21:16.390 --> 01:21:22.329
But so with the lock, the hellhound that would run
1372
01:21:22.369 --> 01:21:28.029
the stairs up and down manipulated the lock. And so
1373
01:21:28.449 --> 01:21:32.890
the realtor lady was trying to put the key in
1374
01:21:33.050 --> 01:21:35.529
and the key would not go in. So she thought, well,
1375
01:21:35.550 --> 01:21:37.510
maybe they left the wrong set of keys because there
1376
01:21:37.529 --> 01:21:40.529
was a lockbox. And at that point with the keys underneath,
1377
01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.460
And so she tried again. And every time she would say, well,
1378
01:21:44.500 --> 01:21:45.760
I don't know what's the matter with them. I'm going
1379
01:21:45.779 --> 01:21:47.779
to try one more time. Then it would slip in,
1380
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:50.340
but then it wouldn't turn. And then, well, I'm going
1381
01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:52.800
to try one more time and then it would turn,
1382
01:21:53.220 --> 01:21:55.399
but then she couldn't get it back out. And this
1383
01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:58.899
was a continuous problem. Finally, she was able to open
1384
01:21:58.939 --> 01:22:03.659
the door and I entered into the foyer. And what
1385
01:22:03.739 --> 01:22:06.210
I had been told about this house was, is that
1386
01:22:06.250 --> 01:22:09.449
the people that were selling it were motivated sellers and
1387
01:22:09.810 --> 01:22:13.729
that they had relocated out of state for jobs, that
1388
01:22:13.750 --> 01:22:16.930
they were now paying two mortgages, they were anxious to sell,
1389
01:22:17.590 --> 01:22:19.659
and that the house they had already moved out of,
1390
01:22:19.729 --> 01:22:23.300
it was move-in ready. So there was no furniture, nothing
1391
01:22:23.659 --> 01:22:26.060
in the house. So it even made it more desirable
1392
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:30.060
for me because then I could move in and it
1393
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:35.090
wouldn't take very long. So I go into the house,
1394
01:22:35.250 --> 01:22:37.510
I walk in, go into the foyer and on the,
1395
01:22:37.539 --> 01:22:39.859
from the foyer, you have descending stairs and then you
1396
01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.420
have these ascending stairs to the upper level. And I
1397
01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.659
started walking up the upper level and out of my
1398
01:22:45.750 --> 01:22:49.590
peripheral vision, I catch a vision of this young man
1399
01:22:49.649 --> 01:22:53.229
hanging in the stairwell. And I'm like, I'm like, Whoa,
1400
01:22:53.250 --> 01:22:56.489
I'm like, what is that? And of course, when I
1401
01:22:56.529 --> 01:23:00.449
look at it directly, I don't see anything there. And
1402
01:23:00.489 --> 01:23:02.270
I'm like, why on earth, you know, would I even
1403
01:23:02.310 --> 01:23:05.779
be thinking about something so horrible? And, keeping in mind
1404
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:09.119
too that I'm still at that stage where a lot
1405
01:23:09.140 --> 01:23:13.000
of my gifts due to traditional religion were put down
1406
01:23:13.300 --> 01:23:16.359
and snuffed out in the sense that I became afraid
1407
01:23:16.380 --> 01:23:18.649
of my own gifts that even though I would still
1408
01:23:18.699 --> 01:23:24.489
see things I would either rationalize them or run out
1409
01:23:24.510 --> 01:23:26.529
of the room as fast as anybody else but I
1410
01:23:26.550 --> 01:23:28.430
was in the case at that point that I thought
1411
01:23:28.470 --> 01:23:30.989
that universal law would come into play which it does
1412
01:23:31.050 --> 01:23:35.470
not always so um I see this and I'm thinking
1413
01:23:35.489 --> 01:23:37.829
to myself, why on earth would I be thinking of
1414
01:23:37.869 --> 01:23:40.529
something so horrible? Well, it turned out that the young
1415
01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:43.739
man did hang himself in the stairwell. The house was
1416
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:46.460
built in the 1970s. And what I have learned is
1417
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.979
that it's not about the age of the house. It's
1418
01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.039
about the age of the ground that it's built on.
1419
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:53.430
A brand new house, if it's built in the wrong place,
1420
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:58.949
can be haunted. So, you know, I'm envisioning this. And
1421
01:23:58.989 --> 01:24:01.810
of course, the neighbor had told me that the people
1422
01:24:01.850 --> 01:24:04.899
that originally bought the house going through a divorce and
1423
01:24:04.939 --> 01:24:07.060
that the son was kind of had a little bit
1424
01:24:07.100 --> 01:24:09.600
of a drug problem and that he ended up hanging
1425
01:24:09.619 --> 01:24:12.659
himself in the stairwell. Mother came home and found him.
1426
01:24:13.220 --> 01:24:15.779
So it was a very sad thing that that happened.
1427
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.600
But going forward, I went up to the very, very
1428
01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:22.680
upper level and I've been admiring the big, the big
1429
01:24:22.739 --> 01:24:25.380
living room. There was a living room and a formal
1430
01:24:25.420 --> 01:24:28.500
dining room, a kitchen with a breakfast nook off to
1431
01:24:28.539 --> 01:24:30.300
the left and to the right was the hallway that
1432
01:24:30.340 --> 01:24:33.909
went down to the bedrooms. I was, envisioning my kids
1433
01:24:33.930 --> 01:24:36.430
sprawling out on the floor eating popcorn and where I
1434
01:24:36.470 --> 01:24:38.250
was going to put the Christmas tree I mean it
1435
01:24:38.289 --> 01:24:41.170
was a gorgeous house and all of a sudden I
1436
01:24:41.250 --> 01:24:46.670
feel this negative like almost stepping into a portal because
1437
01:24:46.750 --> 01:24:50.869
I could feel the threads that almost feel like webs
1438
01:24:51.529 --> 01:24:55.090
like spider webs tickling across my face and of course
1439
01:24:55.149 --> 01:24:57.810
I thought that it was a spider so immediately I
1440
01:24:57.890 --> 01:25:01.100
start kind of wiping off my face. I'm thinking, oh
1441
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:03.819
my gosh, you know, brown recluse or something might be
1442
01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:09.199
on me. And then I feel this energetic, very negative,
1443
01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:15.289
very angry energy charging at me and stopping just like
1444
01:25:15.329 --> 01:25:18.130
within half of an inch of my face. And it
1445
01:25:18.289 --> 01:25:22.029
felt like a raging bull was charging me. And it, it, it,
1446
01:25:22.369 --> 01:25:25.869
I literally stepped backwards and had it hang on to
1447
01:25:25.890 --> 01:25:29.579
the rails. because I would have fallen backwards on the stairs,
1448
01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:33.569
but I took a step back onto the stairs. It was,
1449
01:25:33.729 --> 01:25:36.090
it was that bad. And it, and it spooked me.
1450
01:25:36.189 --> 01:25:38.789
So I turned around and I walked back down to
1451
01:25:38.869 --> 01:25:41.470
stand on the landing. And finally the realtor comes in.
1452
01:25:41.529 --> 01:25:45.560
And of course, you know, I'm rationalizing. I'm like, well,
1453
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:48.140
that can't be, it's just my imagination. All of this
1454
01:25:48.220 --> 01:25:51.960
is my imagination, just like I was told that it was. And, uh,
1455
01:25:51.979 --> 01:25:55.920
and I have a wild imagination today. So, um, She
1456
01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:59.020
ended up having me tour the house, and I asked
1457
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:01.119
her if I could come back later on that afternoon
1458
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:03.189
with my children, and she said that she would meet
1459
01:26:03.229 --> 01:26:06.329
me there after I picked up my kids. So at
1460
01:26:06.350 --> 01:26:08.729
the time, I was a mother of two. I had
1461
01:26:08.789 --> 01:26:12.909
a third baby at 46, a late-life baby. So I
1462
01:26:12.949 --> 01:26:17.289
have had one after this book was written. But my
1463
01:26:17.390 --> 01:26:21.649
older two came with me to look at the house,
1464
01:26:21.689 --> 01:26:23.729
and of course, we're driving down the road, and they're like,
1465
01:26:24.170 --> 01:26:26.029
when are we going to get there? You know, we
1466
01:26:26.069 --> 01:26:29.050
pull into the yard. They're so thrilled because we've been
1467
01:26:29.090 --> 01:26:32.270
living in this single wide mobile home in this trailer
1468
01:26:32.310 --> 01:26:34.630
park where there was a canal that was going around
1469
01:26:34.670 --> 01:26:37.359
behind us and we had regular window peekers. So, and
1470
01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:41.020
people with questionable activities. So it was nice for us
1471
01:26:41.060 --> 01:26:43.699
to be able to get out of the neighborhood where
1472
01:26:43.739 --> 01:26:46.460
they could actually have a swing set and have things
1473
01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:50.159
like that in the yard to play in safely for
1474
01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:53.989
that matter. So yeah, Once we got into the house,
1475
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.199
they were running up and down the hallways and picking
1476
01:26:57.260 --> 01:27:00.199
out their bedrooms. And nobody really seemed to want the
1477
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.949
third bedroom because it was of a smaller size. So
1478
01:27:03.989 --> 01:27:07.970
they asked if they could go downstairs and look. There
1479
01:27:08.010 --> 01:27:11.680
was this large family room with a full stone wall
1480
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:14.800
and fireplace in the center of it. And then adjacent
1481
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:18.359
to that was a like 13 by 15 foot room
1482
01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:20.979
that was just a bonus room. And then the other
1483
01:27:21.180 --> 01:27:23.699
part was the garage, which was so big that it
1484
01:27:23.739 --> 01:27:26.539
had a workshop in it. And even with the workshop
1485
01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:28.590
in it, you could still fit three cars in there,
1486
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:31.350
one in front of the other, and then the other
1487
01:27:31.430 --> 01:27:34.390
one side by side. So it was a pretty good
1488
01:27:34.430 --> 01:27:39.420
sized garage with that. So The realtor and I are
1489
01:27:39.460 --> 01:27:41.439
standing in the kitchen and my daughter comes up and
1490
01:27:41.500 --> 01:27:44.279
she asks if they can go down in literally five minutes.
1491
01:27:44.619 --> 01:27:47.600
If that, they were back upstairs and my daughter is
1492
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:50.979
saying to me, mommy, I don't want to live here.
1493
01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:55.130
I don't want to move here. There's something about this
1494
01:27:55.189 --> 01:27:58.170
house and I don't want to move here. And of course,
1495
01:27:58.270 --> 01:28:01.569
I'm like, what did you say? I mean, I heard her,
1496
01:28:01.930 --> 01:28:04.270
but I was shocked because here we've been living in
1497
01:28:04.310 --> 01:28:07.060
this mobile home that could have fit four times. If
1498
01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:09.600
you stacked it on top of itself four times side
1499
01:28:09.649 --> 01:28:13.729
by side in this beautiful house. I mean, I was
1500
01:28:13.789 --> 01:28:15.970
so proud to think as a single mother that I
1501
01:28:16.029 --> 01:28:19.329
could provide such a grand home. It was a 2,400
1502
01:28:19.329 --> 01:28:22.220
square foot house, three bedroom, two bath. It was a
1503
01:28:22.350 --> 01:28:25.640
nice house. It was a nice big house. So I
1504
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.359
asked her, I said, what did you say? And she
1505
01:28:27.420 --> 01:28:29.960
said it again. And she says, there is something about
1506
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.739
this house that I do not like. And I do
1507
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:35.609
not want to live here. Well, of course, I'm embarrassed.
1508
01:28:35.670 --> 01:28:38.470
because I'm standing with this realtor that's been dragging me
1509
01:28:38.510 --> 01:28:41.170
around for a year and a half. And here's my
1510
01:28:41.229 --> 01:28:43.770
daughter telling me that she doesn't want to live in
1511
01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:47.119
this house. And so I got a little perturbed. And
1512
01:28:47.180 --> 01:28:48.579
I said to her, I said, well, that's not a
1513
01:28:48.619 --> 01:28:51.939
decision for you to make. And in the meantime, other
1514
01:28:51.979 --> 01:28:54.100
realtors had been to the house because they would leave
1515
01:28:54.140 --> 01:28:56.380
their business card every time. So there was a stack
1516
01:28:56.420 --> 01:29:00.369
of them on the counter. And so I went ahead
1517
01:29:00.430 --> 01:29:02.949
and I made an offer and I said a prayer like,
1518
01:29:03.010 --> 01:29:05.329
if this is meant to be, then I will get it.
1519
01:29:05.449 --> 01:29:08.229
And lo and behold, I got the call. We found out, too,
1520
01:29:08.270 --> 01:29:10.689
that somebody else had called in to make an offer
1521
01:29:10.770 --> 01:29:14.130
before mine. So they would be considering both of ours
1522
01:29:15.029 --> 01:29:18.079
that evening. And so the next day I found out
1523
01:29:18.140 --> 01:29:21.949
that I had gotten it. And of course, I'm dancing around.
1524
01:29:21.989 --> 01:29:24.760
I'm so thrilled. I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, this is,
1525
01:29:24.909 --> 01:29:28.220
this is finally our reward. Um, you know, with all
1526
01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:30.279
of the, what my, the kids and I have been through,
1527
01:29:30.300 --> 01:29:32.939
you know, me as a single mother with two, two
1528
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:35.680
kids and really not much of a support system. And, um,
1529
01:29:36.739 --> 01:29:39.220
so I was, I was tickled to death. So I, uh,
1530
01:29:40.020 --> 01:29:43.380
as things, as things progressed, the house, um, I purchased
1531
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:45.399
it in March, the kids had eight more weeks of
1532
01:29:45.460 --> 01:29:48.329
school left. So I decided to do some renovations on
1533
01:29:48.369 --> 01:29:51.600
the house and, Prior to moving in in the summer months,
1534
01:29:51.659 --> 01:29:53.420
I was going to have the kids finish their last
1535
01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:55.420
two months of school in their schools that they were
1536
01:29:55.460 --> 01:29:59.300
already in and then let them have time to make
1537
01:29:59.380 --> 01:30:03.199
friends in the neighborhood and then start their new school
1538
01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:05.380
year at the very beginning, which would be easier than
1539
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:09.319
dropping them in the middle. So we were doing the
1540
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:12.239
renovations and it just so happened that we spent a
1541
01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:14.680
total of two nights there and never moved in. It
1542
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:20.229
was that bad. The very first night, and let me
1543
01:30:20.250 --> 01:30:23.189
just back up to the closing really quick because this
1544
01:30:23.289 --> 01:30:28.909
also goes into the omnipresent, what happened next. But the
1545
01:30:28.970 --> 01:30:32.329
people that were going to sell us the house were very,
1546
01:30:32.369 --> 01:30:35.430
very late getting there. And I'm mentioning that because I'm
1547
01:30:35.449 --> 01:30:37.989
going to go back to it as we move forward.
1548
01:30:39.390 --> 01:30:41.890
And I found out that it wasn't true that they
1549
01:30:42.029 --> 01:30:45.520
didn't relocate. They simply moved 15 minutes away to move
1550
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.260
in with her parents. And they were at the same
1551
01:30:48.340 --> 01:30:51.399
job that they had been working. So I just thought,
1552
01:30:51.420 --> 01:30:54.779
you know, oh, well, you know, maybe they had financial
1553
01:30:54.819 --> 01:30:57.000
problems or something. And I was just thrilled to have
1554
01:30:57.260 --> 01:30:59.140
the house. And the one thing was, is I kept
1555
01:30:59.180 --> 01:31:02.359
trying to make eye contact with the woman and she
1556
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.859
kept staring at her feet. And I kept even lowering
1557
01:31:05.899 --> 01:31:09.119
my head down, trying to get in her view. And
1558
01:31:09.140 --> 01:31:11.239
I was telling her that I was going to take
1559
01:31:11.310 --> 01:31:14.029
the cream colored carpet out and put in wooden flooring
1560
01:31:14.090 --> 01:31:17.529
because I You know, that color wouldn't go well with kids.
1561
01:31:17.590 --> 01:31:19.909
And she says, well, that's what we wanted to do.
1562
01:31:20.020 --> 01:31:22.600
And she's kind of shuffling her feet. And of course,
1563
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:25.159
I found out why later, which I'll tell you as
1564
01:31:25.180 --> 01:31:28.140
we move forward a little bit. So the very first
1565
01:31:28.180 --> 01:31:30.220
night that we went over there after we had gotten
1566
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:34.529
the keys, I'm preparing tacos in the kitchen. And all
1567
01:31:34.550 --> 01:31:37.430
of a sudden, my daughter comes in and she's 13
1568
01:31:37.430 --> 01:31:40.369
at the time. She comes into the kitchen and she says,
1569
01:31:40.409 --> 01:31:43.250
what did you want? And I said, I didn't call you.
1570
01:31:43.329 --> 01:31:46.010
And she said, yes, you did. You called me twice.
1571
01:31:46.229 --> 01:31:48.630
I answered you that I was coming. And so what
1572
01:31:48.670 --> 01:31:51.289
did you want? And I said, no, I swear on
1573
01:31:51.329 --> 01:31:53.869
my life I didn't call you. And she says, yes,
1574
01:31:53.909 --> 01:31:55.489
you did. And I said, well, you know, I heard
1575
01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:57.119
you say that you were coming, but I thought you
1576
01:31:57.140 --> 01:31:59.600
were talking to your brother. And all of a sudden
1577
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.659
my son comes in, peering in underneath her arm. And
1578
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:05.579
he says, mommy, I heard you call her too. So
1579
01:32:05.659 --> 01:32:08.939
here these things had enough of an intelligence about them
1580
01:32:08.979 --> 01:32:12.949
that right off the bat, they knew my children's names.
1581
01:32:13.699 --> 01:32:16.850
They could mimic their voices. They could mimic my voice.
1582
01:32:16.899 --> 01:32:19.550
And they knew that I was the mommy lady. So
1583
01:32:19.949 --> 01:32:23.470
right off the bat. And I then rationalized it. Oh, well,
1584
01:32:23.489 --> 01:32:26.050
you know, Brittany's a popular name. Maybe there was some
1585
01:32:26.109 --> 01:32:29.520
other mother. It's dinner time, out front calling for her
1586
01:32:29.560 --> 01:32:31.880
Brittany to come home. And, you know, you'll meet that
1587
01:32:31.939 --> 01:32:37.479
person and make friends. So we left. Very next day,
1588
01:32:37.539 --> 01:32:40.550
I come back. And all of the lights were on
1589
01:32:40.590 --> 01:32:43.310
in the house. I come in, I go upstairs to
1590
01:32:43.350 --> 01:32:45.949
put my purse down and I'm noticing first that the
1591
01:32:46.029 --> 01:32:49.649
light is on inside of the oven. And I thought
1592
01:32:49.689 --> 01:32:52.829
to myself, how odd is that? Maybe one of the
1593
01:32:52.850 --> 01:32:55.829
kids bumped something or maybe I bumped something. And then
1594
01:32:55.869 --> 01:33:01.329
I'm noticing that the overhead awning over the stove is on,
1595
01:33:01.710 --> 01:33:03.810
the ceiling light is on. And I started to turn
1596
01:33:03.850 --> 01:33:06.010
off the lights. And as I went through the house
1597
01:33:06.050 --> 01:33:09.300
of all of the rooms, Every single light that could
1598
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:12.100
have been turned on in that house was turned on
1599
01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:14.039
and I had to shut them all off. So I
1600
01:33:14.100 --> 01:33:17.880
just assumed that maybe somebody had a key. The house
1601
01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.739
sold so fast that the family might have left some
1602
01:33:20.939 --> 01:33:24.090
neighbor with a key to look over the house and
1603
01:33:24.130 --> 01:33:25.909
that they might have come in and turned the lights
1604
01:33:26.130 --> 01:33:29.289
on or that another realtor came through with somebody not
1605
01:33:29.329 --> 01:33:33.989
realizing that it had sold that fast and again, left
1606
01:33:34.029 --> 01:33:36.350
the lights on. So I went across the street to
1607
01:33:36.449 --> 01:33:40.710
the neighbor's and introduced myself and made mention about the lights.
1608
01:33:40.770 --> 01:33:43.069
And they said, well, you know, we took our walk
1609
01:33:43.130 --> 01:33:45.949
last night and we noticed that the lights in the
1610
01:33:46.010 --> 01:33:48.270
walkway were on, but there weren't any lights on in
1611
01:33:48.289 --> 01:33:51.350
the house. And so I thought, well, you know, those
1612
01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:53.279
are solar lights and they come on when it gets
1613
01:33:53.340 --> 01:33:56.079
dark enough. So I, you know, I told them, I said, well, look,
1614
01:33:56.140 --> 01:33:59.180
I purchased the place to you. They verified that they
1615
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.119
didn't know of anybody that had a key. And I
1616
01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:03.470
made mention, you know, that I was going to be
1617
01:34:03.510 --> 01:34:05.970
doing some work and that if they would please call me,
1618
01:34:06.510 --> 01:34:08.729
if they noticed anybody in the yard or around the
1619
01:34:08.770 --> 01:34:10.649
house when I'm not there and I left them with
1620
01:34:10.689 --> 01:34:14.159
my phone number. So I ended up finishing up some
1621
01:34:14.180 --> 01:34:18.260
things in the house and I left. When I left
1622
01:34:18.340 --> 01:34:21.260
that day, and I'm mentioning this because it's the lock thing,
1623
01:34:22.659 --> 01:34:26.619
I went to lock the deadbolt of the lock and
1624
01:34:26.699 --> 01:34:28.560
I put the key in and I couldn't get it
1625
01:34:28.619 --> 01:34:31.760
to turn. And I kept opening the door and reclosing
1626
01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:33.640
it and pulling it out a little bit. And finally,
1627
01:34:33.699 --> 01:34:36.829
I just opened The door and lock the knob lock
1628
01:34:36.850 --> 01:34:39.029
from the inside and shut it and figured, you know,
1629
01:34:39.069 --> 01:34:40.729
I've got to get to pick up my kids at school.
1630
01:34:40.770 --> 01:34:44.020
I'm not even going to bother to do the deadbolt.
1631
01:34:44.140 --> 01:34:47.680
And I left. But the next morning when I came back,
1632
01:34:47.779 --> 01:34:50.119
I went to put my key into the lock and
1633
01:34:50.140 --> 01:34:53.560
the door just pushed open. And I thought, oh, no,
1634
01:34:53.619 --> 01:34:56.390
you know, it's been opened on. It's, you know, hasn't even.
1635
01:34:56.770 --> 01:34:58.869
Maybe the reason why I couldn't get the deadbolt to
1636
01:34:58.930 --> 01:35:01.029
work was because it wasn't lined up in the door
1637
01:35:01.090 --> 01:35:04.229
jamb correctly. And now anybody could have come up and
1638
01:35:04.270 --> 01:35:07.850
just pushed it open because now it's just opening without
1639
01:35:07.869 --> 01:35:12.430
me even turning the knob. So that particular day as
1640
01:35:12.489 --> 01:35:15.670
I'm walking around the house, I'm opening windows and things
1641
01:35:15.710 --> 01:35:17.930
like that because I'm getting ready to paint the ceiling.
1642
01:35:18.109 --> 01:35:21.510
And I noticed that the lock was undone on the
1643
01:35:22.270 --> 01:35:25.149
sliding glass door. The actual pin was pulled out and
1644
01:35:25.210 --> 01:35:29.119
was dangling. to the side. And I thought to myself, no,
1645
01:35:29.180 --> 01:35:32.039
I remember that that was, that that was locked, but
1646
01:35:32.100 --> 01:35:34.430
you know, maybe one of the kids ran back and,
1647
01:35:34.770 --> 01:35:38.770
and pulled it open and I didn't notice. But when
1648
01:35:38.810 --> 01:35:42.489
I went down into the garage, also the double doors
1649
01:35:42.529 --> 01:35:45.180
that would pull up, they were unlocked. And I thought again,
1650
01:35:45.220 --> 01:35:47.449
you know, I've, I'm a female. I always have one
1651
01:35:47.470 --> 01:35:50.170
of those clicky things on my visor that opens the
1652
01:35:50.210 --> 01:35:54.149
garage and closes it. And these were manuals. So maybe
1653
01:35:54.670 --> 01:35:57.729
I unlocked them thinking I was locking them. But then
1654
01:35:57.770 --> 01:36:02.350
what caught my eye was the door to the workshop.
1655
01:36:02.890 --> 01:36:07.750
There were boxes stacked up against that door, literally three
1656
01:36:07.810 --> 01:36:13.039
feet out and up to my chin. So... when I
1657
01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:15.970
noticed that the chain was dangling to the side of
1658
01:36:16.010 --> 01:36:19.069
that door, it hit me that there's no way that
1659
01:36:19.189 --> 01:36:22.270
anybody that that could have happened. If somebody had done that,
1660
01:36:22.310 --> 01:36:23.949
they would have had to have been on the inside
1661
01:36:23.989 --> 01:36:26.149
of the house. They would have had to have moved
1662
01:36:26.229 --> 01:36:29.479
all of the boxes away, opened the door, unlock the
1663
01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:33.199
door and pushed all of the boxes back. So this
1664
01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:35.260
of course kind of freaked me out. I opened the
1665
01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:38.100
garage door, went back out off. I go back across
1666
01:36:38.140 --> 01:36:41.399
the street to the neighbors and I told them, I said, look,
1667
01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:44.539
you know, um, The doors were unlocked today at the
1668
01:36:44.579 --> 01:36:47.220
house and the wife comes forward and she says, I'm
1669
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.899
not trying to be a nosy neighbor, but I noticed
1670
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:53.180
when you left yesterday that you actually doubled back from
1671
01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:56.239
your car and shook the door to make sure that
1672
01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:58.859
it was secure on the front door. And I had
1673
01:36:58.899 --> 01:37:04.180
not even remembered doing that. So I thanked him and
1674
01:37:04.220 --> 01:37:07.079
again said, you know, if you do notice anybody around,
1675
01:37:07.140 --> 01:37:09.350
call the police and then call me this time because
1676
01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:12.810
I've got Furniture being delivered and things, I'm getting ready
1677
01:37:12.850 --> 01:37:15.449
to have people come and do work on the house
1678
01:37:15.489 --> 01:37:18.050
to get it ready. And they agreed to do that.
1679
01:37:18.170 --> 01:37:20.350
But just to move forward, because I know that we
1680
01:37:20.409 --> 01:37:25.380
are on some time constraints. Several of the things that
1681
01:37:25.420 --> 01:37:28.340
happened are that I was not able to keep workers
1682
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:33.260
in the house. I had four different workers. Only one
1683
01:37:33.300 --> 01:37:35.340
of them was able to stay and do the work
1684
01:37:35.420 --> 01:37:37.699
because he was stoned all the time and he carried
1685
01:37:37.739 --> 01:37:40.760
his monkeys of his own on his back. And there
1686
01:37:40.779 --> 01:37:43.079
were several other things that had happened to in the
1687
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:45.810
house that I was no longer bringing my children back
1688
01:37:45.850 --> 01:37:49.210
at that time. My dog, my, the very last night
1689
01:37:49.250 --> 01:37:51.869
that we slept there, my son woke up with bite
1690
01:37:51.890 --> 01:37:55.010
marks on his legs and my dog was with us,
1691
01:37:55.069 --> 01:37:56.789
but would not go into the house. I had to
1692
01:37:56.850 --> 01:38:00.239
carry her in. And I saw a demon that night,
1693
01:38:00.859 --> 01:38:04.739
literally going down the hallway towards my children where they
1694
01:38:04.779 --> 01:38:08.579
were sleeping in the room. And my daughter also confirmed
1695
01:38:08.619 --> 01:38:11.779
that she didn't sleep well that night, that she felt
1696
01:38:11.819 --> 01:38:14.270
like something was standing in the doorway staring at her
1697
01:38:14.310 --> 01:38:16.449
all night long. But the bite marks on my son's
1698
01:38:16.510 --> 01:38:19.489
legs couldn't have been done by my dog. For one thing,
1699
01:38:19.529 --> 01:38:22.770
she wasn't prone to biting, but they were smaller than
1700
01:38:22.770 --> 01:38:25.869
her mouth would have been, but not as small as
1701
01:38:25.869 --> 01:38:28.409
like a rat, like maybe uh the size of a
1702
01:38:28.869 --> 01:38:32.470
jack russell terrier or something like that that size bite
1703
01:38:32.489 --> 01:38:35.069
but you could literally count the teeth they were purple
1704
01:38:35.850 --> 01:38:38.409
and um they happened during the night so he didn't
1705
01:38:38.449 --> 01:38:40.899
even realize that he had them until i pointed them
1706
01:38:41.060 --> 01:38:47.220
out wow so um we uh i didn't take them
1707
01:38:47.260 --> 01:38:52.710
back until I had multiple, I literally sat down, well,
1708
01:38:53.229 --> 01:38:56.020
just to back up a little bit, there was the
1709
01:38:56.060 --> 01:38:59.979
third worker was a friend of mine's cousin. And because
1710
01:39:00.020 --> 01:39:01.720
I couldn't keep any of the rest of them, one
1711
01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:04.399
guy even bolted, he left his DeWalt tools and never
1712
01:39:04.460 --> 01:39:06.300
came back even to be paid or pick up his
1713
01:39:06.340 --> 01:39:09.500
DeWalt tools. And then his phone was disconnected. So I
1714
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:13.479
couldn't reach out to him. So I tried, um, to
1715
01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.710
do that. And I, um, So the third one was
1716
01:39:16.729 --> 01:39:20.659
a friend of mine's cousin and he is there while
1717
01:39:20.739 --> 01:39:23.340
I'm there and I'm painting in the hallway and all
1718
01:39:23.380 --> 01:39:26.180
of a sudden I turn and I notice coming up
1719
01:39:26.220 --> 01:39:29.420
the stairs, there's this young man and he's dressed in
1720
01:39:29.439 --> 01:39:34.060
a white Oxford shirt. He has on denim jeans, penny loafers,
1721
01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:36.689
no socks, kind of 80s style, hair parted down the
1722
01:39:36.729 --> 01:39:39.949
middle and feathered back. And he had this very, very
1723
01:39:40.090 --> 01:39:45.630
ruddy complexion, like reddened look to his face. And I
1724
01:39:45.670 --> 01:39:49.250
remember turning to him and I said, did you knock?
1725
01:39:49.869 --> 01:39:52.930
I thought it was some disoriented person wandering in or
1726
01:39:52.989 --> 01:39:55.729
maybe they knocked and I hadn't heard them and they're
1727
01:39:56.130 --> 01:39:58.890
walking in the house. And all of a sudden I
1728
01:39:58.930 --> 01:40:01.789
hear Bobby in the other room say, no, I must've
1729
01:40:01.810 --> 01:40:04.770
dropped something. He thought I was talking to him. And
1730
01:40:04.789 --> 01:40:09.510
when I looked back, the man was, there was nothing there,
1731
01:40:09.569 --> 01:40:12.899
but I could see this waffling, this energetic waffling to
1732
01:40:12.939 --> 01:40:15.779
the air and So I knew that something was still there.
1733
01:40:15.819 --> 01:40:18.739
And at that time, I'm like, okay, well, there's a
1734
01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:21.399
ghost in the house. That's who's been turning on and
1735
01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:24.279
off the water, turning on and off the lights. That's
1736
01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:28.079
who's been opening and closing doors. That's who's been creating
1737
01:40:28.140 --> 01:40:30.399
all of these issues that we've been having in the house.
1738
01:40:30.470 --> 01:40:32.890
And I just need to get someone to come and
1739
01:40:32.970 --> 01:40:36.989
clear the house. So that day, I ended up leaving
1740
01:40:37.590 --> 01:40:39.689
to go pick up my kids at school. And I
1741
01:40:39.729 --> 01:40:42.689
get this call from Bobby, who is still in the house.
1742
01:40:42.770 --> 01:40:45.810
And he's like, I have to leave. I have to
1743
01:40:45.850 --> 01:40:48.109
leave right now. There's something about this house that I've
1744
01:40:48.170 --> 01:40:50.930
never experienced before. And I have to leave and click
1745
01:40:51.069 --> 01:40:55.579
the line dropped. So he left in about an hour later,
1746
01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:57.859
I catch up with him and he's like, Oh, well,
1747
01:40:57.979 --> 01:41:00.619
it was nothing, but I'd rather be there. You know,
1748
01:41:00.659 --> 01:41:03.970
when you're there, he didn't really want to talk about it.
1749
01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:06.899
And then he never came back. So I asked my
1750
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:08.750
friend at work, I said, look, you know, I don't
1751
01:41:08.789 --> 01:41:12.289
know what happened. I think something paranormal might've happened at
1752
01:41:12.329 --> 01:41:15.279
the house. When Bobby was there, would you ask him?
1753
01:41:16.189 --> 01:41:18.149
And she agreed to do it. So it was 4th
1754
01:41:18.189 --> 01:41:20.350
of July and he had come to her house. He
1755
01:41:20.390 --> 01:41:22.529
had a few beers. He was feeling a little talkative.
1756
01:41:22.609 --> 01:41:27.350
And she asked him, she said, whatever happened at Lynn's house,
1757
01:41:27.430 --> 01:41:30.489
why did you not go back? And he said, I
1758
01:41:30.550 --> 01:41:32.970
am so sorry. He said, Lynn is such a nice lady,
1759
01:41:33.010 --> 01:41:35.649
but that house is words that I can't say on
1760
01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:39.079
the radio, but it starts with an F. It's four letters. Well,
1761
01:41:39.140 --> 01:41:41.659
six letters because you put an ED on it and
1762
01:41:41.699 --> 01:41:44.989
then up. And then he went on to tell her
1763
01:41:45.609 --> 01:41:48.569
that as he was sitting in the room that he
1764
01:41:48.630 --> 01:41:51.449
was going to place the tongue and groove flooring in
1765
01:41:51.470 --> 01:41:54.810
with adhesive. So he had to trowel a mallet and
1766
01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:58.279
a block of wood to tap the tongue and groove
1767
01:41:58.340 --> 01:42:00.460
flooring in. And he had just put a piece in
1768
01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:04.239
and he was reaching for his mallet and it was gone.
1769
01:42:05.220 --> 01:42:07.880
And he was on this rolling garden seat. So he
1770
01:42:07.939 --> 01:42:11.529
thought that he was he had rolled over them. So
1771
01:42:11.569 --> 01:42:13.909
he's looking and he's scooting and they're not there. And
1772
01:42:13.970 --> 01:42:16.970
he looks off over his, his left-hand shoulder and he
1773
01:42:17.029 --> 01:42:19.689
sees right in front of the bedroom door lined up
1774
01:42:19.750 --> 01:42:22.810
in a row, three of them just paralleling each other
1775
01:42:23.409 --> 01:42:26.979
were the block, the trowel and the, and the mallet.
1776
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:30.239
And of course this spooks him. And he's like, you know,
1777
01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:32.420
I know that I didn't get up and do that,
1778
01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:35.279
but it's, so then he started rationalizing. He thought that
1779
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.060
I had come back, that I had snuck into the
1780
01:42:38.100 --> 01:42:40.760
room to play a joke on him. And that I
1781
01:42:40.819 --> 01:42:43.720
had moved his tools. So he gets up, he's looking
1782
01:42:43.779 --> 01:42:46.500
out in the hallway, he's calling for me. And there's
1783
01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:48.819
no answer. And of course, he's feeling a little weird.
1784
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:51.470
And he's like, well, maybe I, I don't know what happened.
1785
01:42:51.569 --> 01:42:55.289
But he just picked up the tools and decided to
1786
01:42:55.329 --> 01:42:58.810
sit back down and continue working. However, this time, because
1787
01:42:58.850 --> 01:43:01.340
he felt a little uneasy, he turned the overhead light on.
1788
01:43:01.939 --> 01:43:05.319
And he had a battery operated transistor radio that he
1789
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:07.739
turned on to play music. And as soon as he
1790
01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:10.359
sits back down and goes to put an additional piece
1791
01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:13.779
of that tongue and groove flooring in, his radio shuts off.
1792
01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:16.770
Then the light shuts itself off. And then he can
1793
01:43:16.810 --> 01:43:19.630
hear the tools dragging behind him. And they lined up
1794
01:43:19.710 --> 01:43:23.210
right in front of that door exactly the way that
1795
01:43:23.270 --> 01:43:25.029
he had found them before. And he said that he
1796
01:43:25.069 --> 01:43:28.630
couldn't get out of the house fast enough. So I
1797
01:43:28.930 --> 01:43:31.189
was able to find out why I wasn't able to
1798
01:43:31.250 --> 01:43:35.289
keep workers. Some of the details of what happened in
1799
01:43:35.310 --> 01:43:38.189
that house was that a friend of mine standing next
1800
01:43:38.210 --> 01:43:40.850
to me in the kitchen, actually that day, but the
1801
01:43:40.890 --> 01:43:43.329
tools were moving. I'll go back and I'll share this
1802
01:43:43.390 --> 01:43:45.829
part of the story, a little bit of a spoil alert,
1803
01:43:45.890 --> 01:43:49.060
but it's a good one. Because Bobby left in such
1804
01:43:49.100 --> 01:43:51.260
a hurry that day, he didn't secure the house. And
1805
01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:53.859
there was one window with an air conditioner in it
1806
01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:56.060
that needed to be pulled inside so that the window
1807
01:43:56.100 --> 01:43:59.090
could be closed. because they weren't the kind of windows
1808
01:43:59.130 --> 01:44:01.260
that you pulled up and down. They were the crank
1809
01:44:01.340 --> 01:44:05.119
windows that you would crank, and the windows were vertical,
1810
01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:09.079
and they would turn vertically in and out. So the
1811
01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:12.739
air conditioner had a large opened area over the top
1812
01:44:12.779 --> 01:44:14.539
of it where bugs and things could come in. It
1813
01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:18.079
was a Friday. I wasn't coming back until Tuesday. I
1814
01:44:18.340 --> 01:44:20.659
was a nurse working a Baylor shift on the weekend,
1815
01:44:20.739 --> 01:44:24.229
so I would work midnight Saturday and Sunday night 12-hour
1816
01:44:24.270 --> 01:44:26.090
shifts so that I could be home with my kids
1817
01:44:26.310 --> 01:44:30.520
Monday through Friday. to take them to be a stay-at-home
1818
01:44:30.539 --> 01:44:33.649
mom and then soccer mom on Saturdays. So I wasn't
1819
01:44:33.689 --> 01:44:36.569
going back until Tuesday. So I asked my friend next door,
1820
01:44:36.609 --> 01:44:39.180
I said, Ellen, I said, would you mind going with
1821
01:44:39.260 --> 01:44:43.539
me to the house? The windows were left open. It's
1822
01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.079
not secured. I need to have help pulling in an
1823
01:44:46.140 --> 01:44:48.229
air conditioner. And she agreed to go with me. So
1824
01:44:48.289 --> 01:44:50.949
as we're driving there, I'm telling her the story about
1825
01:44:51.029 --> 01:44:52.970
what I had seen that day with the young man
1826
01:44:53.029 --> 01:44:55.170
coming up the stairs. And I said to her, I said,
1827
01:44:55.210 --> 01:44:57.939
do you believe in ghosts? And she says, oh, yeah, yeah,
1828
01:44:57.979 --> 01:45:00.479
hell yeah, I believe in ghosts. So I told her,
1829
01:45:00.500 --> 01:45:02.659
I said, well, if you're uncomfortable when we get there,
1830
01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:05.100
I appreciate you going with me. If you're uncomfortable when
1831
01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:07.460
we get there, I'll go across the street and see
1832
01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:09.449
if I can get the neighbor's husband to come and
1833
01:45:09.489 --> 01:45:11.590
help me. And she said, oh, no, you know, I
1834
01:45:11.630 --> 01:45:13.649
don't have a problem with it. So when we pulled
1835
01:45:13.689 --> 01:45:16.329
into the house. I had the problem with the lock
1836
01:45:16.409 --> 01:45:18.560
where I couldn't get the key out. I couldn't get
1837
01:45:18.569 --> 01:45:20.960
it to turn and finally got it open. So Ellen
1838
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:23.920
is standing in the foyer and she says to me, well,
1839
01:45:23.939 --> 01:45:26.869
I'm struggling with this key. She's like, ha ha ha.
1840
01:45:26.930 --> 01:45:28.930
She's like, you're not going to leave me here and
1841
01:45:28.970 --> 01:45:31.989
let the boogeyman get me, are you? And they targeted her.
1842
01:45:32.229 --> 01:45:35.470
So you don't want to mock them because you will
1843
01:45:35.529 --> 01:45:38.159
regret it. They will target you. Again, they have an
1844
01:45:38.220 --> 01:45:40.979
intelligence about them. So what had happened was she and
1845
01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.180
I went and we pulled the air conditioner in from
1846
01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.520
the window and then we went into the kitchen. And
1847
01:45:45.539 --> 01:45:48.199
of course, I was proud. She hadn't been there before.
1848
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:50.359
I wanted to kind of show her around a little bit.
1849
01:45:50.510 --> 01:45:52.810
And we had gone into the kitchen and I had
1850
01:45:52.949 --> 01:45:56.949
ordered these hand-carved wooden Morgan horse heads, these brown Morgan
1851
01:45:56.970 --> 01:45:59.289
horse heads to go in my daughter's bedroom because she
1852
01:45:59.350 --> 01:46:02.729
wanted to have a wild horse theme too. Draper balances
1853
01:46:02.810 --> 01:46:05.609
over her windows. So Ellen's holding one in each hand.
1854
01:46:05.649 --> 01:46:07.520
And all of a sudden, I hear this sound that
1855
01:46:07.569 --> 01:46:10.220
I had heard once before when a demon entered the room.
1856
01:46:10.539 --> 01:46:14.020
And it sounded like an energetic buzzing sound, almost like
1857
01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:17.640
a didgeridoo. That wah-wah buzzing kind of sound is the
1858
01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:19.659
best way that I can describe it. And when I
1859
01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:21.800
turned to kind of look to see where the noise
1860
01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:26.060
was coming from, there was this ectoplasmic misting wall just
1861
01:46:26.140 --> 01:46:28.739
moving in on us. And I didn't say anything because
1862
01:46:28.819 --> 01:46:30.659
I figured I'm the only one hearing it. I'm the
1863
01:46:30.689 --> 01:46:33.109
only one seeing this. And all of a sudden, Ellen
1864
01:46:33.149 --> 01:46:35.949
says to me, what's that sound? And I said to her,
1865
01:46:35.970 --> 01:46:39.350
I said, what, can you hear that too? And she said, yes,
1866
01:46:39.470 --> 01:46:42.680
what is it? And she immediately started screaming. She dropped
1867
01:46:42.699 --> 01:46:44.859
the horse heads down on the counter and she started
1868
01:46:44.899 --> 01:46:47.130
grabbing her shirt. She said, what is it? What is it?
1869
01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:49.739
Is it a spider bite? It burns. It burns. And
1870
01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:52.180
when I lifted up her shirt, she had a four
1871
01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:54.939
and a half inch claw mark. between her shoulder blades,
1872
01:46:55.020 --> 01:46:57.850
even underneath her bra strap and back where it connects.
1873
01:46:58.170 --> 01:47:01.609
And it was just welting and starting to beat blood. Wow. Yes,
1874
01:47:01.750 --> 01:47:05.350
I kid you not. Just, oh my gosh. So I
1875
01:47:05.470 --> 01:47:07.210
asked her, I said, Ellen, what happened? I mean, there's
1876
01:47:07.250 --> 01:47:09.329
no furniture in the house. I thought maybe she had
1877
01:47:09.390 --> 01:47:12.289
scratched herself on the car door, corner of the car
1878
01:47:12.310 --> 01:47:14.869
door or something. And then she started screaming again. And
1879
01:47:15.270 --> 01:47:18.270
it got her in the front on her, underneath her
1880
01:47:18.289 --> 01:47:20.569
belly button off to the left-hand side. There was now
1881
01:47:20.609 --> 01:47:23.770
about like a two, two and a half inch And
1882
01:47:23.810 --> 01:47:25.930
I told her, I said, we need to go. And
1883
01:47:26.029 --> 01:47:29.039
I started calling on every name that you can think
1884
01:47:29.100 --> 01:47:33.659
of for God. Jehovah, Jesus, Mother Mary, Allah, you name it.
1885
01:47:33.789 --> 01:47:37.479
And that misted wall started to move back, but yet
1886
01:47:37.529 --> 01:47:40.720
it didn't completely leave. It kind of hovered into one
1887
01:47:40.739 --> 01:47:43.039
of the doorways. There were two doorways that entered into
1888
01:47:43.060 --> 01:47:45.619
the kitchen, one from the dining room into the breakfast
1889
01:47:45.659 --> 01:47:48.079
nook and one from the hallway into the kitchen. And
1890
01:47:48.260 --> 01:47:51.399
it lingered in that one going into the breakfast nook area.
1891
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:53.500
And I'm like, look, go to the car. I will
1892
01:47:53.539 --> 01:47:56.140
lock the door. I'll be right behind you. So she
1893
01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:58.100
fled and I was out the door about a minute
1894
01:47:58.140 --> 01:48:00.979
behind her. And I'm like, I am not going to
1895
01:48:01.020 --> 01:48:03.699
get stuck with this lock. So I just hand locked
1896
01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:05.399
the knob and shut the door because I figured if
1897
01:48:05.470 --> 01:48:09.149
anybody wanted to come in at that point, that that
1898
01:48:09.189 --> 01:48:11.670
house could take care of itself. So I ended up
1899
01:48:12.029 --> 01:48:14.930
staying away from there for a little while. And I
1900
01:48:14.989 --> 01:48:17.170
started to doubt myself. And I'm like, you know, it's
1901
01:48:17.210 --> 01:48:19.930
such a nice house. And maybe I imagined it. I mean,
1902
01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.899
these things are just so off the wall to ever,
1903
01:48:23.100 --> 01:48:26.359
you know, happen to somebody. And so I ended up
1904
01:48:26.420 --> 01:48:28.970
going back. But at that point, I didn't bring my
1905
01:48:29.010 --> 01:48:32.649
children back there anymore until I had multiple blessings done
1906
01:48:32.750 --> 01:48:34.890
on the house. I had gone home that day for
1907
01:48:34.909 --> 01:48:37.050
the first time, and I had started going through the
1908
01:48:37.090 --> 01:48:40.229
yellow pages. And lining up phone calls to make the
1909
01:48:40.289 --> 01:48:43.250
next day and paranormal groups to call the next day.
1910
01:48:43.409 --> 01:48:46.109
And as I was on the phone talking to my sister,
1911
01:48:46.409 --> 01:48:48.229
telling her about what had happened in the house, I
1912
01:48:48.300 --> 01:48:50.680
overhear my daughter after I got off the phone and
1913
01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:53.039
she said, mommy, she says, I know what those things
1914
01:48:53.180 --> 01:48:56.220
are in that house. The one that clawed Ellen, I
1915
01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:59.020
know what it is. And of course, as a parent,
1916
01:48:59.100 --> 01:49:01.180
I don't want to give too much information. I kind
1917
01:49:01.239 --> 01:49:03.840
of wanted to see which direction she was going to
1918
01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:05.979
take with it. So I said, well, what do you mean?
1919
01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:09.750
And she said, there is a wolf type dog that
1920
01:49:09.789 --> 01:49:13.199
stands up on its haunches with very dirty nails that
1921
01:49:13.500 --> 01:49:16.460
runs the stairs. And that's what clawed Ellen. And then
1922
01:49:16.500 --> 01:49:19.729
she started talking about the dead young man and started
1923
01:49:19.779 --> 01:49:22.949
talking about the other demon, all of which I had
1924
01:49:23.010 --> 01:49:27.090
seen at this point. So we even sat down and
1925
01:49:27.130 --> 01:49:29.189
she drew a picture of what she saw. I drew
1926
01:49:29.210 --> 01:49:31.369
a picture of what I saw. We compared it and
1927
01:49:31.390 --> 01:49:34.859
the similarities were just unbelievable. I mean, the detail and
1928
01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:38.739
the similarities of the things that were in those pictures.
1929
01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:41.739
So fascinating. She verified that it was there, and I
1930
01:49:41.779 --> 01:49:44.109
couldn't deny it. I said, you know, I've seen that, too.
1931
01:49:44.170 --> 01:49:46.250
I said, I'm not taking you to the house anymore.
1932
01:49:46.289 --> 01:49:48.649
I'm pretty sure that we can do something about that.
1933
01:49:48.869 --> 01:49:51.270
And she had commented, too, that that's what she was
1934
01:49:51.310 --> 01:49:55.949
trying to tell me, that that's what she saw when
1935
01:49:56.090 --> 01:49:58.050
we were there getting ready to make the offer on
1936
01:49:58.069 --> 01:50:00.050
the house. And, of course, I didn't listen, and I
1937
01:50:00.130 --> 01:50:03.409
should have. So they ended up not going back. I
1938
01:50:03.489 --> 01:50:06.979
ended up having multiple– denominations. And I went through the
1939
01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:09.239
Yellow Pages the next day. I mean, I called every
1940
01:50:09.300 --> 01:50:12.319
church in the Yellow Pages, and most of them told
1941
01:50:12.380 --> 01:50:15.680
me to contact the Catholics because the Catholics do those
1942
01:50:15.739 --> 01:50:18.479
sorts of things. And I'm thinking to myself, but you're
1943
01:50:18.500 --> 01:50:20.899
the ones that you claim to be chosen that are
1944
01:50:20.939 --> 01:50:22.739
the only ones that are going to make it into heaven.
1945
01:50:22.819 --> 01:50:26.310
Wouldn't you want to have this opportunity to prove your superiority?
1946
01:50:26.329 --> 01:50:28.689
You know what I'm saying? I had some people that
1947
01:50:28.750 --> 01:50:30.789
told me that if I was attending their church, that
1948
01:50:30.829 --> 01:50:33.470
I wouldn't be having this problem. I even had a
1949
01:50:33.770 --> 01:50:37.770
couple of churches actually very pompous telling me that if
1950
01:50:38.069 --> 01:50:41.050
because I mentioned that I was a single mother thinking that,
1951
01:50:41.250 --> 01:50:43.510
you know, that they that they would realize that how
1952
01:50:43.550 --> 01:50:46.989
helpless I kind of was, you know, with two children,
1953
01:50:47.029 --> 01:50:50.609
how frightening that must be. And they're like, well, you know,
1954
01:50:51.539 --> 01:50:54.039
implied that I was being promiscuous and that I was
1955
01:50:54.119 --> 01:50:57.460
drawing this into myself for some reason. And I hadn't
1956
01:50:57.500 --> 01:50:59.380
even been out on a date in four years at
1957
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:02.079
that point. I was focusing on my kids. I wasn't.
1958
01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:10.840
I couldn't afford a babysitter. So anyway, I realized I
1959
01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:13.180
know their slogan is what would Jesus do? And Jesus
1960
01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:15.159
would have helped me, but they're humans and they were
1961
01:51:15.180 --> 01:51:17.180
scared too. So I kind of let that go. And
1962
01:51:17.899 --> 01:51:20.180
I had to start reaching out to people that actually
1963
01:51:20.260 --> 01:51:23.199
knew me because when you're talking about something that's off
1964
01:51:23.239 --> 01:51:27.619
the wall, people will think you're crazy. So I had
1965
01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:30.279
to reach out to people. I first reached out to
1966
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.960
an Episcopalian priest that had known me for seven years
1967
01:51:34.020 --> 01:51:36.079
of the 10 years that I worked on my job.
1968
01:51:36.539 --> 01:51:38.800
So he knew me to be an excellent nurse, that
1969
01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:41.460
I was a reputable person, not a weirdo. And he
1970
01:51:41.500 --> 01:51:45.380
believed me. He told me that he used to remove
1971
01:51:45.420 --> 01:51:47.920
things like that from people's homes, that he didn't do
1972
01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:50.560
it anymore, but he knows that those sorts of things exist.
1973
01:51:50.619 --> 01:51:53.890
And he also referred me to the Catholic diocese, of
1974
01:51:53.949 --> 01:51:56.109
which I contacted and went all the way up to
1975
01:51:56.149 --> 01:52:00.569
the archbishop, only to be told that they that they
1976
01:52:00.609 --> 01:52:03.689
only do exorcisms on people. And I'm like, well, it's
1977
01:52:03.770 --> 01:52:08.029
not me. It's that house. Because when I would leave
1978
01:52:08.109 --> 01:52:11.340
that house to go back to the mobile home that
1979
01:52:11.409 --> 01:52:15.000
I had been living in, there were no issues. Everything
1980
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:21.199
was fine there. It was that house. So anyway, moving forward,
1981
01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:25.930
so many, so many things happened. I did finally, after
1982
01:52:25.989 --> 01:52:28.710
having a paranormal group come up from Georgia, as well
1983
01:52:28.770 --> 01:52:32.630
as a Presbyterian minister at the same time, clearing the house,
1984
01:52:32.729 --> 01:52:35.649
I took my kids back. They started getting attacked again.
1985
01:52:35.670 --> 01:52:39.369
I ended up having to, my mother and I went
1986
01:52:39.409 --> 01:52:42.399
back at one point when, after it had been put
1987
01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:44.500
up for sale by owner and some people were going
1988
01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:47.859
to come and the windows were covered in flies. I mean,
1989
01:52:48.380 --> 01:52:55.140
thousands of full grown flies, no evidence of maggots. eggs, nothing.
1990
01:52:55.220 --> 01:52:57.520
And they had been in there so long that they
1991
01:52:57.550 --> 01:53:03.310
had left excrement all over the molding around the windows
1992
01:53:03.489 --> 01:53:06.029
that we were trying to wipe off. I did finally
1993
01:53:06.069 --> 01:53:08.029
find a couple that came up from Florida because I
1994
01:53:08.090 --> 01:53:10.489
couldn't bring myself to sell it to anybody with children,
1995
01:53:11.069 --> 01:53:13.819
especially after seeing the couple that did come with children
1996
01:53:13.859 --> 01:53:18.779
and the kids talking about the creepy room downstairs. So
1997
01:53:18.859 --> 01:53:21.279
I knew that they had also seen it. And so
1998
01:53:21.539 --> 01:53:24.979
this couple had come from Florida and We were upstairs
1999
01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:28.789
signing papers. And as we were leaving the house, I let,
2000
01:53:28.930 --> 01:53:32.010
I exited the double entry doors first. I overhear the
2001
01:53:32.069 --> 01:53:35.470
wife saying to the husband, why did you push me?
2002
01:53:36.630 --> 01:53:39.310
And he said, I didn't push you. And she said, yes,
2003
01:53:39.369 --> 01:53:41.670
you did. And he said, no, I'm three steps back
2004
01:53:41.729 --> 01:53:44.180
from you. I can't even reach you. And she said, well,
2005
01:53:44.199 --> 01:53:47.000
then I don't know what happened. And I knew what happened.
2006
01:53:47.100 --> 01:53:52.500
I knew that that, that wolf demon shoved her because that's,
2007
01:53:53.180 --> 01:53:56.319
That was his domain, those stairs. He would constantly run those.
2008
01:53:56.380 --> 01:54:00.039
So when they came out, I couldn't with good conscience
2009
01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:03.739
not say something. I couldn't have done due to people
2010
01:54:03.779 --> 01:54:06.350
what I had done to me, even though I understood
2011
01:54:06.409 --> 01:54:09.909
why the people sold me the house, you know, needed
2012
01:54:09.949 --> 01:54:11.710
to sell the house to get away from it. So
2013
01:54:11.789 --> 01:54:15.649
I said to them, I said, do you believe in ghosts?
2014
01:54:16.569 --> 01:54:19.939
And both of them immediately cut me off. No. We're Baptist.
2015
01:54:20.020 --> 01:54:22.810
We don't discuss those sorts of things. We don't entertain
2016
01:54:22.850 --> 01:54:25.590
those sorts of things. They don't exist in our world.
2017
01:54:26.170 --> 01:54:29.590
We're protected. And I said, okay, you know, I would
2018
01:54:29.630 --> 01:54:31.560
have told them the truth if they had asked me.
2019
01:54:32.189 --> 01:54:36.399
They ended up moving out six months later. I'm assuming
2020
01:54:36.539 --> 01:54:38.819
that it was because of the ghost thing. I'm not
2021
01:54:39.060 --> 01:54:41.600
for sure on that, but they had paid. It was
2022
01:54:41.659 --> 01:54:44.850
a cash buy on the house. They were moving into
2023
01:54:44.890 --> 01:54:48.170
it as their retirement home up from Florida and They
2024
01:54:48.229 --> 01:54:50.810
had no intention of moving from the house. They planned
2025
01:54:50.890 --> 01:54:53.720
on being there for many, many years during their retirement years.
2026
01:54:54.100 --> 01:54:56.640
And now all of a sudden, six months later, they're
2027
01:54:56.659 --> 01:55:00.840
selling the house. I did follow through and I contacted
2028
01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:03.920
the people. This goes into the next book, Omnipresent, What
2029
01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:09.350
Happened Next, who originally sold me the house. And when
2030
01:55:09.390 --> 01:55:11.529
I finally got a hold of them through the records,
2031
01:55:12.189 --> 01:55:13.989
I spoke to the wife and she said to me,
2032
01:55:14.050 --> 01:55:18.079
she said, we were late to that closing because when
2033
01:55:18.180 --> 01:55:20.600
I found out that you had children, I didn't want
2034
01:55:20.619 --> 01:55:24.399
to sell you the house. And then she started, I mean,
2035
01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:26.739
she was so appalled. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
2036
01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:29.239
And I'm like, look, I just, what happened? You know,
2037
01:55:29.270 --> 01:55:31.789
what happened with you? I've already sold the house. I'm
2038
01:55:31.909 --> 01:55:35.189
out of it. But I wanted to know to validate
2039
01:55:35.409 --> 01:55:37.109
some of what I went through. And of course she
2040
01:55:37.130 --> 01:55:40.109
validated the bruising, the bite marks, the hair being pulled.
2041
01:55:40.170 --> 01:55:43.649
She had two children. One was six and one was four.
2042
01:55:44.300 --> 01:55:46.579
And the children were, would go to school and be
2043
01:55:46.720 --> 01:55:50.050
asked to draw pictures of their house. So they'd draw
2044
01:55:50.060 --> 01:55:52.329
the little stick people and the flower that's bigger than
2045
01:55:52.350 --> 01:55:54.850
the house and then the house. But then on the
2046
01:55:54.970 --> 01:55:58.369
other side, they would draw these stick figures of these very,
2047
01:55:58.430 --> 01:56:02.130
very dark, creepy looking things. And when the teachers and
2048
01:56:02.149 --> 01:56:05.310
the parents would ask what those were, they'd say that
2049
01:56:05.350 --> 01:56:07.979
they are the monsters that live downstairs in our house.
2050
01:56:08.979 --> 01:56:11.300
And the little girl would even talk to the mother
2051
01:56:11.359 --> 01:56:16.409
about the fact that You know, the things downstairs, they
2052
01:56:16.449 --> 01:56:18.899
don't like me. You know, they don't want to play
2053
01:56:18.939 --> 01:56:21.399
with me. They don't like me. And they say, you know,
2054
01:56:21.539 --> 01:56:24.439
and she would show up with bruises and things. And
2055
01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:28.039
those people almost ended up in a divorce because of
2056
01:56:28.140 --> 01:56:32.079
the trickery that the spirits were playing in the house
2057
01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:37.840
where the husband would work midnights and he would be gone.
2058
01:56:37.899 --> 01:56:40.460
So he would sleep during the daytime, during the daytime.
2059
01:56:41.050 --> 01:56:45.210
The lady worked her day shift hours, but then the
2060
01:56:45.250 --> 01:56:49.029
husband would be awakened by tapping on the door and
2061
01:56:49.109 --> 01:56:52.350
would hear her voice. And then he would come out
2062
01:56:52.510 --> 01:56:55.880
and assume that she was playing a joke on him
2063
01:56:55.939 --> 01:56:58.739
or else he'd find the water running and he would
2064
01:56:58.779 --> 01:57:01.500
accuse her and she'd accuse him and neither one had
2065
01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:05.020
turned it on. It was those things. And they literally,
2066
01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:08.060
the children at one point asked if they could go
2067
01:57:08.100 --> 01:57:11.029
back and stay at the grandparent's house because of all
2068
01:57:11.050 --> 01:57:14.010
of the activity that was happening. And once they stayed
2069
01:57:14.050 --> 01:57:16.229
a couple of nights at the grandparents' house, they didn't
2070
01:57:16.250 --> 01:57:19.109
want to come back home. And then the parents ended
2071
01:57:19.189 --> 01:57:22.729
up following back home with many more things that had happened.
2072
01:57:23.329 --> 01:57:27.810
But in that book, it also goes into the mental
2073
01:57:27.869 --> 01:57:30.090
health aspect of it, where I had gone back to
2074
01:57:30.130 --> 01:57:35.689
school to further my degree and came across patients with
2075
01:57:35.829 --> 01:57:37.850
attachments on them. And I don't know if we have
2076
01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:40.260
time to do that on this show, or if you
2077
01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:43.260
want me to go into a part two and come back, um,
2078
01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.119
or to go ahead and just keep going with it,
2079
01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:46.229
how would you like me to do it?
2080
01:57:46.569 --> 01:57:49.510
Um, well, excuse me. So sadly, we've only got about
2081
01:57:49.609 --> 01:57:52.069
five minutes left. So whatever you can wrap up in
2082
01:57:52.109 --> 01:57:53.729
that amount of time, and then we'll have you back
2083
01:57:54.189 --> 01:57:56.890
again real soon to finish up on the book. So
2084
01:57:56.939 --> 01:57:58.520
however you want to do it, Lynn.
2085
01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:01.189
Okay. That sounds great. And thank you so much. Um,
2086
01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:04.399
There's a lot more detail to the second book with
2087
01:58:04.439 --> 01:58:05.000
the family.
2088
01:58:05.350 --> 01:58:08.510
I'm just blown away by all this. It's amazing.
2089
01:58:09.050 --> 01:58:11.239
I would not wish it. on my worst enemy. I
2090
01:58:11.260 --> 01:58:14.199
don't have any enemies, I don't think. I mean, the
2091
01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:17.659
insanity of it. I learned a lot, though. And because
2092
01:58:17.699 --> 01:58:20.060
of what I've learned, I've been able to help people.
2093
01:58:20.100 --> 01:58:23.229
At least I hope so. I hope that they feel helped.
2094
01:58:23.289 --> 01:58:25.149
But the thing is, is that when I was placed
2095
01:58:25.270 --> 01:58:29.390
in this facility, There was a young girl in particularly,
2096
01:58:29.850 --> 01:58:32.689
there were eight nurses and a teacher that had gone in.
2097
01:58:33.050 --> 01:58:36.470
And this young lady came up and she pointed at
2098
01:58:36.529 --> 01:58:38.270
me and she said, you can help me. I know
2099
01:58:38.329 --> 01:58:41.810
you can. Well, of course, in that moment, I'm like, oh, God, please,
2100
01:58:41.930 --> 01:58:45.229
please don't be talking to me. I wanted to be Lynn,
2101
01:58:45.250 --> 01:58:47.930
the student nurse, not Lynn, the weirdo that day. But
2102
01:58:47.970 --> 01:58:50.380
it just so happened that the teacher ushered us out
2103
01:58:50.979 --> 01:58:53.979
and then placed me and another nurse back in the
2104
01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.000
intake area where the young girl was. We literally had
2105
01:58:57.039 --> 01:59:00.460
to sign papers that if we got bitten or hit
2106
01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:03.079
or anything happened to us, that we wouldn't hold the
2107
01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:07.420
facility responsible. So we're sitting at these picnic tables that
2108
01:59:07.479 --> 01:59:10.319
are bolted to the floor. And the young woman comes
2109
01:59:10.479 --> 01:59:13.460
over and she starts telling us about how she had
2110
01:59:13.500 --> 01:59:17.279
been molested at 10 years old by her minister. And
2111
01:59:17.310 --> 01:59:20.609
then her mother remarried at 14 and her stepfather started
2112
01:59:20.729 --> 01:59:22.710
to rape her. So she ran away at 16 and
2113
01:59:22.750 --> 01:59:26.130
started doing devil worship. And that now she's hearing these
2114
01:59:26.130 --> 01:59:29.489
25 different voices. And I'm going to stop it at
2115
01:59:29.529 --> 01:59:31.199
the end of her. So it leaves kind of a
2116
01:59:31.239 --> 01:59:32.500
cliffhanger a little bit there.
2117
01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:33.680
Okay.
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But the thing is, is that they have segments of
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things that they have to go to. Like they'll have
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a visit with their psychiatrist or their social worker. Or
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they have to go into root groups for counseling and
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things like that. And this woman, she came and sat
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down with the nurse and I. We were charting at
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one of the bolted down picnic tables there. And she
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sat down with us and I'm looking at her and
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she is covered in claw marks. These claw marks resembled
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the claw marks that I saw on my friend Ellen
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Gett as she stood next to me in that house.
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And they were all over her. She had on shorts
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and a midriff, like a tube top with thin little
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spaghetti straps so you could see her midriff, you could
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see her back. And she had claw marks coming out
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of her ear, coming out of her nose. She was
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even talking about how one of them had a long
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nail and was clawing the inside of her female parts.
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And the facility was saying that they were self-inflicted. And
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I'm like, uh-uh, there is no way that she would
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have to be a contortionist to even reach her back
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in the way that those claw marks and in the
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directions that they were going. So when she got called
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away to her appointment with her psychiatrist as she got
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up to walk away, it appeared as if she had
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clustered grape, potato-sized, they were the size of potatoes, they
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were heads of disembodied souls that had collected in a
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grape-clustered formation over each of her shoulders, almost like Santa
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Claus bags. They could have literally filled a standard pillowcase.
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That's how how much there was and I'm looking at
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her as she's walking away and I'm like oh my
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god she really is hearing 25 different voices she's got
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attachments on her and I'll stop it there.
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Okay wow I can't wait to have you back to
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hear the rest of this but Lynn I want to
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thank you for joining me here tonight and I'll put
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links your links in the show description and where they
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can find your book and where they can find you.
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Thank you so very much for having me. Also, when
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the link is available, I'll be happy to put it
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out on all of my media as well as the
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one that I had done previously. I don't know if
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that one's ready yet for me to put out, but
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I'll be happy to spread that all out. And I
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appreciate the opportunity to be on here. So thank you
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so very much. And congratulations on the baby boy.
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Oh, thank you. Can't wait. Looking forward to it. It's got,
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I think it's about 14 weeks left.
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So. Oh, wow.
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Before you know it. So I can't wait. All right. Well,
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thanks again, Lynn. I'm going to go ahead and get
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us on out of here. You've been listening to everything
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out there on the Clyde Lewis Ground Zero Radio Network.
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I'm Steve Stockton. On behalf of my guests, Lynn Bonet
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and myself, we'll see you a little farther on down
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the trail. Tell your animals we said hi. Good night, everybody.
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Good night.