EP. 16 – Ricochet on AEW return, Rey Mysterio classic, and reigniting his passion

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Marking Out with MVP and Duane Swazie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These won't be crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And happy Monday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Second cousin's the Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, I'm real shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we've only been doing this show for a couple months now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is, as it all worked out, is here in Arlington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We live in the greater Houston area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Dwayne was like, yo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming to all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we need to maximize that weekend and get some guests for our show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the dynamic is, if you're from this program, you can ask whatever you want, what do you ask?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So me and Duane's waiting, hanging out in the studio, when we're making music, I just generally chilling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every now and then going to be like, yo, Pete, can I ask you about that time?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One day I was like, yo,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The math stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I got over two decades when I worked everywhere, you know the game, but everywhere, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, we just thought, all right, let's do this now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, when he's crazy then he's, but all these pronouns here, pal, don't take that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't put it in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but we decided that we're going to do this show, and it's just about us, but he said you're wearing all in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can get your friends to come by and you know, like, well, and he gave me a list, his wish list, and Ricochet was on his wish list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because normally he marks out for our relationship, now he's to mark out over my relationships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got questions that he wants to ask you in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how they should go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, no matter that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you joined, I forgot to mention the part of what we do here is we
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[SPEAKER_00]: We sipping it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we do as well before he has a blade, but I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On a bash it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you're a friend of the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's to those of us that are fearless enough to do what we love to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't make excuses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we better ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come by.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's what you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't fucks with alcohol like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know, but I mean, yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, that shit is like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, no, that's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ninety proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's pretty smooth though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ninety proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mindy proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's big boyship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Dave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Dave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Dave Peteson, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For real, that's my brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready for a question?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you joined AW in August of twenty twenty four, you mentioned retirement felt possible during your short break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So was there a specific moment or event that reunited your passion for wrestling?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think the passion was always there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think just
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[SPEAKER_03]: being at home with your family and your puppies and your new house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, this is nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could not do nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't want to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, I think that's where it kind of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It actually gets showed me that when time is right, retirement is going to be no problem for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's, that's for now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's for right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, just A.E.W.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in general, I guess you would say, reignited that passion that was kind of lost.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess since all in a last year, I would say, just the whole company in general and the people there and just everything about my journey so far has kind of just reignited that fire that was kind of burning out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I mean, like, right now, I think you're how to then you've ever been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My son being the most organic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, my son loved superhero ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've told you many times in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're marking out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've told you one of my all-time favorite things in all the professional wrestling, with U and XT doing that running front there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I stepped in the fucking, uh, double tears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That shit was like the most like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a level of bad assery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I'll do respect to Jason Statham, my man did that in one take with no wires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no disrespect at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go, you go, no disrespect at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna be in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's actually all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I appreciate that and that's all actually actually like the fact that especially at that time like children really kind of
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess, you know, flock towards Ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was, you know, the whole growing up and again, like Spider-Man and all those super heroes that you bought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a real life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was always really cool for me, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like you hear that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You for real, for real, do shit, did like me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for my son.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of got to let me tell you crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How serious he should is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my son candid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had to have a little conversation because for the longest time, Ray Mysterio was my son's favorite wrestling actually was serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, we saw a ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We then all of a sudden ricochet became his favorite wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said to me one day,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was always excited watching what anybody was saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky says, my favorite restaurant I said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What am I right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What am I right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I was right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I'm serious, my second favorite restaurant Ricky says, my favorite restaurant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree, no, but again, just that alone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, just one person kind of thinking that I think is awesome for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You need to be able to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: have somebody feel the same way as I've felt about Rey Mysterio or the Rock or whomever I'd like long-up, you know, Shane.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even being in that conversation, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who are some of the wrestlers that you grew up liking as a kid?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, the Rock's my number one Rey Mysterio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably like my number two to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, obviously, like Stone Cold was a big guy in my family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you have like the cruiser with you like hovie to psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jericho, demonico, all those guys I really just kind of fell in love with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I would love when they would bring in, that's when I first saw like little dragon on now known as dragon kid and she and those guys, they would bring in like the foreign talents and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you would randomly have like juicent underlogger versus right Mysterio for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like those guys were kind of what opened me up to you know that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, growing up Shawn Michaels was always there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those guys like that for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly growing up, I was, again, do always, there's a face Shawn Michaels being made.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Within S like, as I got older, it's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: because I'm like, man, maybe, now that I'm thinking about it, it's like, cause I like, Bret and Yoko, like Bret and Owen are like Bret and Austin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, Bret, Bret, I said, Bret, I said, but that's like an older, I said, maybe, I really like Bret the whole time, because like all his matches, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just so funny as I got older.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, that's what I said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bret, love Bret.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you think about him, I'm like, I like this one, I like that one, like that one, I'm like, okay, maybe I will be a Bret, I've ever seen a bad Bret heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know, no, not really, not really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's capable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is especially in this prime.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can give him a corpse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a funny to see that evolution as I got older.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I had the pleasure of spinning a little time working at Luchon Degree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I met Swerve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we have met before that, but I think that's what we started working together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you were Prince Pullman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I would like to do, what I would like to do is, I'd like to talk about because, oh, let's do this first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we'll take a break and we'll come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's all raise our glasses to the greatest luchador of all time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cheers to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so if you're still watching at this point, if you're still with us, I would like for you to do me a solid favor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, if you like the content, if you like what you're seeing, if you're enjoying it, please like one, number two, comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And number three, subscribe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, Michael, if you really want to go wild and crazy, number four, share it with somebody that you know that you think would enjoy it as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, I mean, like, we don't normally do guests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you are in elite companies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you should be, because we've only, my good friend, Smojo, who I've known for over twenty years, we had
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mercedes, Monday, see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had Tony Storm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I thought this was wishlist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great list, I'm honored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for allowing us to mark out, but you know, yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For you, around you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna tell you a little bit right here because I think this is something super cool and I think you guys will really enjoy this for a little while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was employed by Lucha Underground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, Sue was ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he wasn't known by ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That time, he was Prince Puma.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's the Puma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From Royal Heights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He worked under a hood.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Octavio was his name Octavio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was his real name Octavio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I never knew that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never knew the principal was real name was Octavio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty dope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very dope.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At least that's what they told me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the decision maker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the ones that make it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But during that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My good friend, one of my favorite human beings, who is planet, one of the most wonderful people to walk this earth, Ray Mysterio Jr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, that's when he left WWE, and he was doing his international indie run, and he signed a deal with Charlie Chandler out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he told me, he's like, hey, as he calls me, T.P.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, yeah, man, I'm supposed to do a mass week call with Princeton, Ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, you know, Ray was having trouble with his knee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he expressed to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of uncertainty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, like, like, you, like, do you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mysterio, you know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, it's a nice and lube.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This kid's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're saying, no, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, no, no, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had the pleasure of standing upstairs at the top of the door.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's always a place to watch, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched that match from start to finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fan in me came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that shit he cares.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then afterwards, it was just like I said, just a breathtaking match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then afterwards, I was in the dressing room right and he came back and I got to watch them embrace each other and share that feeling and professional wrestlers get when you went out there, you just killed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know you killed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fans let you know you killed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not some douchebag on the internet with his star reading like five stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You you the fans that you know and the emotion that the you already shared I remember Ray you know like for you
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to speak for you all at your talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a moment of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, against the degrees, which you know are all times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For Ray, like you and that hot dude, you and that motherfucker that everybody was like, yo, this man is so for Ray, it was a matter of what's still having, you know, can I still produce it that level?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ray, he was said like that match did a lot to put him back in like, okay, I'm still here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was you array and raise wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I told everybody else to step out.
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[UNKNOWN]: So you guys can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember.
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[UNKNOWN]: I remember.
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[UNKNOWN]: I remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: feel it after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match after the match
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, yeah, you know, I don't know if I'm going to be able to, because, you know, he was, you know, he was thinking about his knees and he was thinking about his condition and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he really, again, he was expressive as like, I don't know if I can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, brother, I got you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because, yeah, I got you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that just for me was one of, even today, we just did the starcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People were asking me, like, what are your favorite matches you've ever had?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, I honestly, that's one of the first ones that kind of pop up for me, just because everything that went into it and everything that I grew up watching them and, you know, all the memories I've had with Ray Mysterio, and that was like my first singles match with him, so that kind of... Watching that match, you would think they'd work together hundreds of times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The execution.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, you guys knew each other, and it was just my boy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a watching person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I quit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember honestly the first time actually meeting Ray.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I walked in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was up stairs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was like a green room, everyone kind of hung out in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you remember the green room, everyone hung out in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I walk as like Conan Ray and some other people and I walk in because they said, raise up there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Someone's going to say hi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the first thing Coney and Sash was like, oh, hey, yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the guy that says he's better than you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the first thing Coney and Sash is like, oh, yeah, this is the guy that says he's so much better than you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, oh, so you're better than me, huh?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it was, but it was just a funny moment walking in never even meeting Ray and that's the first thing like Coney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he went along with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he went along with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, that's probably one of the ones that really
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[SPEAKER_03]: probably is, honestly, my favorite match.
17:38.268 --> 17:41.469
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to really think about it, but that one probably is, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Was that your only time working with us?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I've actually worked in a couple of times then, but I do remember PSR I leave, I remember I'm sitting there and I'm trying to talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't really say, I'm trying to say thank you, but I can't really say thank you, because again, emotions and stuff, and I'm like, trying not to cry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, just had a man, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to cry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to tell him, thank you, and then I like, the match was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I finally calm down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I finally tell them, you know, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it means a lot and everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I remember us, again, we were in the hallway and it was all of us around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was again, this was after the after and I finally calmed down and cooled out a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Ray was like, man, he goes, he goes, I know if Eddie was here, he goes, I know if Eddie was here, he goes, he would have loved to be in there and wrestled to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I know that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I started kidding with him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, literally, as soon as I like calmed down, he said, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that again, that's just like the biggest compliment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like it doesn't matter what some,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mark, three, two, seven on X. That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll make it literally like, all their favorite wrestlers, all of you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said that on Twitter before, you know, somebody, oh, you suck, whatever I said, I have no idea who you are.
18:59.323 --> 19:02.747
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some faceless individual and social media, you say I suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who you are, but you know why I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you think I suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it doesn't think I suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rick Flare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Undertaker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The people that don't think I suck, they're opinions matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, so much more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, but again, in that moment right there, it kind, not like validated, but it was just a cool moment of, again, someone like when I first started wrestling, being from Paduka Kentucky, weighing, eighty-five pounds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I'm saying, like, I started in Blackport, Illinois, and Greg Falther's backyard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, you don't even have Greg Falther is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's sort of backyard wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As someone who never thought they would even touch the WWE or... When the big boy process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you hate the hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_03]: as someone who didn't have those goals all the way leading up to now I'm wrestling remasterial in the main event of this show like it was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What a crazy life with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, seriously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys can do me a favor because I haven't seen the hair of photo drop that in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be twenty different photos probably.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard the first time I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're probably going to be a photo of Sasha Banks in there because they always talk about that as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You look like Sasha Banks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're saying that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean at that point, you had a
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you were like super hot on the end of you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everybody was talking about you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lucia underground.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You were like, you were like, I was basically doing just like, Lucia, New Japan, like, UWG, when I could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's basically all I was doing at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that point was at the most money you were making?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially because like, especially like the first season of Lucia,
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[SPEAKER_03]: not only was I making decent money but they would fly us out there like Tuesday night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We would film like the vignettes and all the backs like on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At least that's what this was my schedule.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's about Tuesday night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd film on Wednesday all day Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think like I have Thursday off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then like we would film the shows Friday and Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they would pay you per dime every day too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They pay you seventy five dollars a day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like there's no way I'm spending seventy five dollars a day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so it's cool just to collect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, you were in that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could easily ask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be taking away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At that time, I'm saving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's five days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, so I'm just collecting that money, saving it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Plus what they were giving me, plus like, New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So honestly, PWG was the least amount of money that I was making.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, literally, like, it was the least amount of money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But as far as the Indies went, they were paying you like, top, top, top, no?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peter VG was probably my least paid Indie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the box, everybody, everyone, nobody got paid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a manager.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was making a great deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was making a good deal on everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we literally, that was just like a passion project for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peter VG was not really a passion project.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it was everybody's lowest paid Indie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they had such buzz and it was like, you know, that everybody there just loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just loved it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, we would, if it came down to it, I don't know why, but like, say we have not a double booking, but we have two shows we could work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you could work this show for this much money or repeat WG.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, ah, we'll repeat WG because we just love to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why, but we all chose to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I asked for my release from WWE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a year left on my deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in a five year deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I asked for my release and took a massive picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go to New Japan?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I want to wrestle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to love wrestling again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to fall back in love with it and be energetic, you know, but I'm sorry, this is supposed to be a relationship, but no, no, no, you were sharing the, the, the, the, the, the Japan love and how you came up and then cut your teeth over there with, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going from Dragon Gate to New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And being a player at New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know what that was for you because I was lucky like I was a tape trader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had, like, fallen in love with Japanese wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember like, my dream was to wrestling Japan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, and I was shocked when we were saying these about this, like, WWE wrestling, it was a goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the loser pair in the wrestling kingdom was my dream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just got to a point in WWE where, you know, there were a bunch of stuff was going on and I just had lost my passion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I asked for my release.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And took a massive pay cut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I got to Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about this very first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was walking around the ring in the afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sendai with a tsunami happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I made my debut February six in Sendai.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a few months later that massive earthquake there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember walking around the ring in the afternoon, and they were doing a little sound check thing, and they did the thing, no, Japan permission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got goosebumps, and I was like, do I get over so many of you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been on so much slam, I've done all this, but in that moment, you know, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, kind of similar because again, I started in Dragon Gate, which honestly, that kind of was a dream or a goal or whatever you want to say because I didn't know anything about
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[SPEAKER_03]: outside of WWE in WCW and a little bit of ECW.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know anything about independence or, again, until the WCW would bring the Japanese wrestlers over and then I kind of, but I had no access to it again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no internet at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could not just, yeah, I couldn't just search out what access did you have?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, seriously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So not until like Chuck Taylor, I started hanging out isn't he had tapes and he would take trade and so he would show me stuff and then I found like this whole different world of like honestly just not
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[SPEAKER_03]: New Japan, but that's what I found like the amazing reds and the AJ Styles and the Jack Evans and the Matt Sidales on top of the ligars and the Sasuke's and the, you know, the Tiger Mask and the Hayabusa's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then finding out, again, the Dragon Gate and Torium on before that, he was showing me that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Dragon Gate kind of got poppin' in two thousand six ring of honor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had like a big six main tag.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just kind of blew the doors off of like, like, just everybody at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that it was like the soup of that would like viral for whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like super hot.
27:15.734 --> 27:18.335
[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, I think Dragon Gate changed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That match changed like indie wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like all the stuff you see now is because of Dragon Gate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff you see, the well-off sprayings, the swirves, the last stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that because of Dragon Gate?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sit back to amazing red little key.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they were watching Torium on Dragon Gate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, then I want to argue with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were watching the, and the amazing Ray Loki, we all know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know this, what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know who we're talking about, then you, this is it for you, this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You really need to watch that really this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That did also that also.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of set the bruh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That it changed that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all know that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That did absolutely change it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, and then so when I went over, but to get back to what you're saying, when I started doing Dragon Gate, I was there for like four years, and then Pack actually did the two thousand thirteen super junior last day, the bastard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He did two thousand thirteen super junior, and then he actually signed like the next year, he signed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So two thousand fourteen, they had asked me to, and I guess he did it in the second twelve, and then I did two thousand thirteen,
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had asked me to come do it after him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that alone, I thought, was, I think I love the whole game a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that alone, I thought, was awesome because again, not that I didn't have any goals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But especially at that time, I was kind of focused on Dragon Gate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that New Japan, I think, honestly, I think Pat came in and packed it such a good job representing Dragon Gate in the Super Junior.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, oh, we need somebody else to represent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really think that's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wouldn't just killed it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He went and just did such a good job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he got signed and they're like, oh, do you guys have anybody else?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, oh, we got ricochet and they were like, oh, great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Plus I did the devil moonsault at the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they were really like promoting the devil moonsault, which is funny though, because I kind of had food poisoning like maybe two days before the first show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had something because I was up all night throwing up shit and I was doing all night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, this is nervous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was nervous because I had to wrestle the in cork in hall, our super junior, the first round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they were obviously pumping the double moon saw.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they were like, you need you to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, I'm kind of sick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But okay, sure why not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think since after that, and then I came back into the two thousand, fourteen, one, one, one, and that's the same year where I won the Battle of Los Angeles piece of energy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was your, you were hot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Two thousand, four, ten, I had a, a plus, a new, I don't, a lucha underground started like later in two thousand, four, ten.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like fourteen, that was like, yeah, that was a good, that was a good year for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So being able to just honestly be part of the Super Junior, and at the time, I was like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The youngest winner, I was the youngest winner at the time until Willow Spray.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I was only like the second, like American next to Eddie Guerrero to like, win it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But there was a couple of things that people were telling me that was actually just kind of flabbergasting to me to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, your history books.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so with all time, greats.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is still kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is still kind of crazy to me, but again, like you say you do the work, you get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a very unique club.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many, many people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's lots of clubs with just specifically, I remember when he went to the United States Championship and I sent him a welcome to the club.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Against Joe actually, it was a good job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember one of my favorite matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we, United States Champions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the club.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that was a, I'm glad that I was part of that club.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, as far as clubs go, like, you're in some pretty elite clubs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which again, again, as someone breaking into the business, not having, honestly, I didn't have any goals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Breaking into the business, I was a fourteen-year-old kid, no goals at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just, it was something fun that, to do, I loved wrestling, I loved watching it at least.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I played football, I played like, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peel me football from my third grade all the way up and we suck so bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, why do I continue like why do I like I'm not gonna keep playing on this teen sucks?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like so I'm just gonna do this for fun and then see it gets really suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fucking awesome and I'm trying to be a drug down by these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, let me show you how bad I am and all those motherfuckers that were on their team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have like cubicle jobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They work for the hours a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's much of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are a literal fucking superhero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're super villain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Super villain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super villain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or antihero, whichever way you want to see this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's this way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's ways to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Depending on how you see it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some people think villain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we are getting close to wrapping up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know before we did that, I'll just ask one more thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll go with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one more thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of people don't know this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when initially, when me, body and shelter were plotting to come over to AEW to bring the hurts and to get over, I would plan early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole idea was to bring Ricky Shay into the hurts and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, because it kind of, you were talking to them in the backstage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, right on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, going back and I've talked about it publicly and privately, when we had to hurt business, and we were doing the stuff with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and, and, and, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said you can only have one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we felt like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sedrick would benefit more from our help than Ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricochet has a much better chance to stand alone and do this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, give us Sedrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember everybody was talking riders.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody was like disgusting it at one point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were like, OK, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because Pedro was still under contract, we were coming over a week, and at the time, you were still negotiating your business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a lot of pieces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were like, yeah, okay, we're going to reunite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to Ricochet is going to have this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in our business, we have the same card subject to check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we did that spot in the ring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby, when he snatched you up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was supposed to have been like what we start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: initiating, we're just here to change the way it's character changes and he goes and he become what I heard people, but as things sometimes happen organically, his career path went a completely different way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And selfishly, I wanted him a nurse in the care, saying things worked out better for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as they are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I mean, who knows, but I mean, I think, yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do people fucking hate you now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is awesome because it's funny because I'm talking because, honestly, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that I think that helps a lot in the fact that... You really stir shit up because I don't care what you think about me because I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that helps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These are the needs to be throw a verbal touch of these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's only towards ignorance, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's only like, it's, again, the only people that I do with are people who are like ignorant or who don't get it or who, I don't know, like obviously the people who are out there who understand and who will get it and who are have common sense and who watch it, you know, all in general and just kind of, those people never get angry and those people never get upset.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's always the people who,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get an argument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my all-time favorite quotes, when I was a prisoner Florida, this is, oh, this OG told me this old pops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, throw a rock in a pack of dogs and one of yups.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one to get hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of my songs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one of my favorite songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Throw a rock in a pack of dogs and one of yups.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one to get hit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, but no, yeah, and honestly, the, the, the piggyback of these saying so many people were like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: They talk about the trajectory of Ricochet and AWS, and they're like, you got lucky, this and that, but you said it's funny because the whole time we kind of had, especially, I had a plan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've always said, even though I talked to you and I talked to everybody, Ricochet didn't need to come in and just be winning matches and be dominant and be this imposing figure and be the champion immediately, which people somehow think that because I haven't, that's a failure for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People who have never come before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But like for us, like everything has gone exactly to plan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said other than a couple details, like again, I thought I was going to join with you guys, but come in, have some good matches, come in, have some, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: high caliber matches with high caliber, you know, opponents show that you could still go and then eventually start this character change into being the bad guy, which was always the plan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, like you said, sometimes things just organically go in different direction.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, that was one of the best things that ever happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you having fun?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The most one, honestly, I've probably ever had an amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, twenty-two-year career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was us sitting in the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the time when people like, dude,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I haven't had a job for two and a half years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to work for me is going to hang it out with my friend and making a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doing something I used to do for free.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's deported.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to do a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He used to do a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He used to do it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going to road and now like you make a magnificent living doing something that you do exceptionally well and around that only
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[SPEAKER_00]: point zero zero zero whatever people in our world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, unless you're some people out there think it's just gymnastics and that it's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, again, I actually made a post.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is after the mean Willosbury match in two thousand six eight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I made a post about wrestling is art.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, again, even people are like wrestling as an art wrestling, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No wrestling is an art form.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't care who you are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrestling is an art form.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are all artists.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And wrestling can be anything you want it to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrestling can be comedy matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrestling can be hardcore death matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrestling can be strong style, Japanese style matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrestling can be catches catch can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: submission matches wrestling can be more American entertainment big you know production style matches or you know wrestling can be high flying flips wrestling can be literally everything you want just because you don't like a specific fucking style of wrestling doesn't mean that it's not wrestling
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always say that wrestling is a buffet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A huge buffet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a little bit of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't put it on me?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just because you don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the mean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not part of the buffet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I like?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sell the time like my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is certain aspects of pro wrestling in the modern industry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like, but of course, I've told you, I use the analogy of pineapple pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like pineapple pizza.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't hate pineapple pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate pineapple pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm eating it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will never order it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm, if there's someone ordered a bunch of boxes of pizza and you go flip it through to see what's left and oh shit, there's just pineapple pizza left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll eat it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to take the pineapple pizza.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't order pineapple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are millions of people who love pineapple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ordered it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you will have people to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You made pineapple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an abomination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If people are mining, if people have a piece of, yeah, how are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're fulfilling a market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people that want pineapple pizza.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want that brownie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm mushroom with that cheese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some sauces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are people who love pineapple, the Hawaiian pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate you for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if you shut down every Hawaiian pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pizza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people that like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They order it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, me and me and my wife talked about this all the time, whether it's a shoot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She reads a lot of books.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We watch TV shows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We watch movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to a smart one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She really, she's breathing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She got a whole library in her office, but we always talk about whether it's a book she doesn't like or TV show we didn't like or movie we didn't like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't then go on to Twitter and tag the actors of the movie and the director of the movie and say, you guys made a shitty product.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You should quit acting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know we just don't watch the movie anymore and and and and the person that is is tweeting that is somebody who has a good yeah that's yeah yeah so that's even that's also media and a voice people they don't deserve a voice well or a little crazy because everybody's their voice people not intelligent enough i'm sorry i say this all the time i think
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone should have telephone so they can get a hold of people that they need to in times of need, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think internet should be just like guns or anything should be, you should go through a process before you can have internet or before you can, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You should go through a process, this person doesn't even need internet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, you can have a phone, but like a kid, one with no internet on it here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I have said many times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, one of my, I remember posting this sometime ago that we were a virus and no one hates professional wrestling more than professional wrestling fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a viral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, listen, man, I don't like certain types of wrestling, but I don't see that
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[SPEAKER_00]: That company should go out of business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I've never had that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just we've done us in so much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, we got mad homies all over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got mad homies in the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E, into the E
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[SPEAKER_00]: because we do a strong self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What the hell is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be like a lot of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, again, you have seen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When Dustin Pooria gets hit, boom, he's like, oh, I just got hit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me continue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't get hit and then go crazy because he just got hit once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's all, it's all situational.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm just saying, again, some people have never been in fights before actual fights.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People who've been in fights know, sometimes you get punched in your face and you keep going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to fall down every time, you know, saying blocksers, blocksers all the time get punched in their face, but they keep moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So not there hurt, but they're still, again, max all the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's always, he does this right here because let's stay in the back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to get hit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But so I think there's always times, again, a situational, if it's me and Bobby Lashley or Brody King or somebody, we're not going to have him back at fourth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a story to tell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But in situational.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to get too much into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just, of course, you know, but you know what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But really, like, you know, sometimes with Bobby and Shelton, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're a certain talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like we're supposed to go fifty-fifteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got two hundred and forty-five pounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, you're not supposed to go fifty-fifteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we really understood the dynamic, you would get more out of this by fighting from underneath where this guy at his beef, but you're getting the people behind you because you're fighting from underneath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you finally do get that guy at rocking, oh yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just an old man shaking my face to the ground.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But also, again, even with that, if someone like Willa Spray were to use his arsenal of moves against, they're like, oh, he's just doing flips.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's not even, it's like, what do we do in guys?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's his arsenal of moves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Undertaker gave me one of my best bits of advice, and I've tried to share this, especially with like young people who do a lot of aerial stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it's, it's, they succology.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And our business psychology is the last thing that we really get a grasp on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said, what we're doing to ring his tail stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The moves are the illustration.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you open up a comic book and it's this power bank boomer here, let's go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you see what, oh, this guy went here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys were doing this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he got into a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then crack them all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you build up to the story that there's a physicality, and then there's a finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like, I love great matches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can watch, you know, when I was wanting tape trading, watching Japanese, but I watched plenty of matches, there were no story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just watch two dudes going there, just absolutely kill it, and I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But from a business standpoint,
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you want to sell tickets, when you want to put out a certain season, when you want to make money, you have to make an emotional, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these two guys are having an amazing match and you go, wow, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you have an emotional connection to one of the people in the match, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess my point is, again, someone, let's take, well, I'll spray out of it, put me or put pack or put anyone in this position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: if anyone's watched a Willow spray match or Ricka Shea match or they know just because our our arsenal involves flips sometimes like because again if anyone has watched a match of ours knows that it's not just we're in their throwing hands with the best of them and I think of course
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes cold matches can draw emotion out of people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But of always the buildup helps the match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How you build it when the story and the buildup and everything I feel like are
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[SPEAKER_03]: cohesive, and they make sense, and it actually leads to something, and the match is banging.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then people will just talk about, oh, it's just gymnastics, because maybe they seem to want one little three-second gift, or they seem something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the stuff, it's like, man, you guys didn't even do the research.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, if you've watched the whole match, you know that it's not just left.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, especially if it's
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody, have got a Kyle Fletcher or anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The hurt syndicated is a big fan of Kyle Fletcher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to throw hands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to throw hands and we're going to anytime I'm in the ring with Bobby, I'm hitting him as hard as I can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He probably don't feel it, but I promise you, I'm hitting him as hard as I can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's a gut punch or forearm or a kick, I'm hitting Bobby as hard as I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do that to Bob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, Bob, he's like, Joe or not, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, last night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck trying to hurt him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He likes that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I just want to tell you, I really, really appreciate you come about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, this has been great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, this is something that we could do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We could talk for out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but you guys got to give the people some advice before we wrap up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So can I ask you guys one thing and leave?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You both give some advice?
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[SPEAKER_02]: One.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ricochet, you're decision to leave WWE from what I understand other creative satisfaction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And MVP left WWE because you had accomplished your goal and you wanted to live your dream in New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what advice would each of you offer to wrestlers that are contemplating making a major career move?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and I'll speak, of course, you speak for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I speak for both of us in this moment because it applies, and don't be afraid to bet on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my entire career, I've been betting on myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, lost yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but don't be delusional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Read the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Read the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Read the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't overestimate your value in the nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eagle, live you about what your market value is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, sometimes people will tell you, yeah, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we have
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[SPEAKER_00]: innumerable stories of talent through the years who a promoter you know whatever tenors or you'll never be anything you said and they went on to become major top tier many of the stars guys who left this company that on themselves and went there and they did that and
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this case, multiple times I've done that to my career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched him do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a conversation and I knew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been different places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've made money in different places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are a proven commodity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chance, better on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to tell you to hold a security blanket in this place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's opportunity for you to go across the street and make more money and feel better in the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, I do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be afraid to bet on yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But don't be delingional about what your value is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, I didn't resign with the baby simply just because
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, there's no true reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that wasn't creative.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't how I felt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I told them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I'll continue to do what I'm doing if you guys just pay me a little more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, within even then, the more we talked about it, I just, I, I felt were AEW is I've kind of always been on that side of the revolution or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of felt like if
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've said this before, if, for example, A, W was around when Lucha underground, kind of finished.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably would have been on that side early a lot earlier than when I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I absolutely think I would have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because again, with Lucia Underground, it was like an alternative to what was, you know, saying, we were a part of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I really do in PWG and New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I really do feel like I would have been a part of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the advice I would give is, yeah, honestly, bet on yourself, but also like, if you're not, this is a business and industry where
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to kind of love it, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unless, obviously, there's people who didn't know anything really about it and who came from other sports and kind of, you know, what happened for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's obviously generalities and example, I mean, other cases, but for the most part, the people who are breaking in, who are starting,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, especially at the beginning, it sucks a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's hot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's hot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It sucks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's the travel, whether it's the promoter screw in you and pay or whatever, it sucks a lot more than it's for the only time it's rewarding is when you're physically in the ring doing it, especially early on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, I told someone this today at Starcast because they were asking about us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just know that it's going to suck a lot more than it's going to give you the, the, the gratitude or whatever you're looking for, but if you really love it, like most of us really do and if you really love it, you'll, all of that stuff won't matter because when you're in the ring, that's kind of what matters most.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And for someone again, who is always,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who grew up?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't say not having a personality, but like not showing their personality as much because they were kind of shy, especially in the wrestling ring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then...
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[SPEAKER_03]: Someone who, like you said, growing up watching the Japanese wrestling, because I didn't know the stories of the matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just watched the matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know the story leading up to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just saw some darn matches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that kind of the, and again, I think maybe being...
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[SPEAKER_03]: What was all that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then growing up, loving that side of it, the athletic, that side of it, that's kind of what I focused on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But so all of that, but I got lucky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I got lucky because as far it would have sucked a lot worse if I didn't have Chuck Taylor, I will say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got super lucky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He took you to help me out a lot in my early years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As far as, even just getting bookings, talking to promoters, learning the business, like all of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I got super lucky as far as that goes because it could have sucked a lot worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But just know what you're getting into.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Know what you're getting into because you're trying to find that that high or that adrenaline rush.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for the most time, it's kind of
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to break you down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to make you feel bad about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, you have so many people criticizing you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just you got, you have to be, if you want to be a, just a prophet and nowadays, as a profession general, in general, with progress and specifically, you have to have very thick skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to, yes, you have people saying, mean and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nasty, nasty things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Food, hey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You gotta be ready.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You like your brother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're like my match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, I get off the front there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not even joking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I wish he was drunk, but there has been some literally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish my mother died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she wouldn't have given birth to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just gotta be ready for all the... Yeah, you gotta have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna give you some of the best moments of your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, you gotta be ready for the shitty parts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause that's gonna suck a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you love it,
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just gonna keep going because, and you just love it, you love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing like being out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't help, you can't replace it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't replace it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure that's the goal for this for anybody who's a creative or who's an athlete doing what they love their passion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody who has a passion, you know, saying, if they're doing that, nothing else really matters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing else matters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Metallica.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here, here he goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here we are at the point where, uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, they should come and hang out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, again, this is, uh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got your wish list, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel grateful, Pete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Graveful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Graveful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I felt when when when Swilk gives a game of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, of course, they're sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there another one back then?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the only one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to walk off this set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not the sound they would think they had any that would fit you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going to pop that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got six eggs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder that size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me get back there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise you, you don't have the size.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is almost a mid-drift on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll make a work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We just wear another white tee under it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it seems like an old t-shirt right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been marking out with MVP and Duane Swazie and one of those rare occasions where we have invited a guest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My good friend, one of the tremendous, I think, I have been a ricochet fan for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You noticed, do it now, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, yeah, for a while, so I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember, like, on the way out, I remember, I was in MLW show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was somewhere where I remember I told you when that said, I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna be good when you learn how to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in MLW.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think it was MLW.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was MLW.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Was that right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, you were absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You were absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you were absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you figured it out, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I was telling someone, who was I just telling today?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot who I was talking to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, maybe it's gone, but I was saying I've had a lot of help along the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just talked about Chuck Taylor on the early years, but even I've had a lot of people pee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've had a lot of people give me tidbits here and there literally for, again, twenty years now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've had a lot of help and I've gotten lucky a lot and I've had a lot of mentors give me a lot of information so I definitely would not have been here without help and that's another thing just to be successful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You do have to kind of be lucky, right place, right time, right people around you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You really do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that helps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, working, you know, the ambition, the determination, the motivation, the drive, all of that's got to be there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, a little bit of help helps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A good firm Bruno Sassy, who's a mentor to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wouldn't be able to want to like favorite quotes, kind of never forgotten it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I found it to be true in my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Success is where preparation and opportunity me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When that opportunity comes, if you're not prepared, you can't be successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to put yourself in positions to be successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do the work, you know, behind the scenes really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And six said, no one's just gonna call you one day and say, hey, we went off to the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to go out and beat on doors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm looking for the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you've done that, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a moment of forgetting the end, I'm not dropped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on my blue eye, but in a moment of being a little bit, a little bit, a little bit sad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am so fucking proud of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: True, no, it means a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It means a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, it really means a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, you've come a long way back and you're, like, to me, you've always been that dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anything want to put out there before we wrap this shit up?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, honestly, just thank you guys for watching.
01:00:13.499 --> 01:00:17.381
[SPEAKER_03]: And thank you guys for loving the sport of professional wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I like that.
01:00:18.201 --> 01:00:22.163
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, because without that, none of this would even be possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell people all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when they thank me, I'm like, hey, I appreciate it, but without you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no less.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you guys for watching and continue to mark out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you, Space Cowboy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just laid back in, something new.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whiskey, twenty-one, and over low ball.
01:00:44.659 --> 01:00:46.341
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it true, neat, there's a from hollow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm fru-fustin' off the pondre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Missin' in real world flow.
01:00:50.546 --> 01:00:52.548
[SPEAKER_02]: Plant these seeds in the streets and in weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Watch it's awesome, dark night.
01:00:54.610 --> 01:00:56.913
[SPEAKER_02]: Ride no chrome swingin' throughout the miss me and pee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I repay the knees, bro.