Screenwriter, Tab Murphy

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Welcome to Mad Props.

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We have an amazing episode for you today.

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Tab Murphy, screenwriter of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Atlantis, Tarzan, Batman Year
One.

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I saw he was with Teen Titans Go.

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There's a Scooby-Doo show.

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He's part of lot of different things, screenwriter for a lot of different things.

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It's coming up right after this.

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All right So we have to have Murphy on I'm very excited to talk to him as you may notice
is still just me after all this No, Hannah today.

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No producer Hannah.

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No Matt today.

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No producer Matt they both are not available for this actually Matt still in Alaska if you
are a Sketching up fan.

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You already knew he's in Alaska if you're not

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He's been in Alaska for a little bit now and he's still there.

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So he was not able to join on this one and Hannah was not able to join either.

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So it's just me producing and talking and all that fun stuff today on the episode.

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I'm not going to go too long, but I do want to bring up something I have strong opinions
on and that's the new, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man show.

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Now I'm sketching up two episodes ago.

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We did talk about the first three episodes or first two episodes, first two episodes of
this show.

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And I do think it's entertaining and stuff like that, but.

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A very quick point I want to make.

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Because there's been a lot of hate for it online.

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And that's what we're going to get into right now.

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So my overall thought on this show is I really, really enjoy it.

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Now people that know me, I'm a huge Spider-Man guy.

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He's my favorite superhero.

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I have Spider-Man all over my room.

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Although in the back of me right now, if you're watching, there is no Spider-Man, which I
just realized.

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But I'll have to change that in the future.

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But I'm a huge Spider-Man guy.

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I went into this with very low expectations.

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I was very worried about what they were going to do with

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Spider-Man in this show.

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So I was like, uh-oh, here we go.

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All right, let's see what they're going to do.

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I am now five episodes in.

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The new episodes just dropped today.

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Um, so I haven't seen them yet.

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So I'm five episodes in, first two, then they dropped three.

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I am really enjoying this show.

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Does it have its flaws?

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Of course it has its flaws.

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It's going to have its flaws, but they are taking a story that I already love.

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And they're kind of manipulating it in a way that I don't think is that bad.

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Like I know a lot of people are like, my gosh, like blah, blah, blah.

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Like I can't believe the Osbournes are black or I can't believe they're introducing all
the villains in the first three episodes.

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And they're just building though.

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Like you gotta be able to build.

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But anyway, the story that they've done and the direction that they have gone, I think has
been really good.

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I think it's been really entertaining.

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but the biggest thing to me is that it's keeping me locked in.

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Okay, so whatever your opinion is, are you watching still?

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If you're not watching still, that's whatever.

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But I have been locked into every episode.

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I like the way they're going with Lonnie already.

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I'm not gonna spoil anything, because I didn't say spoilers earlier, and this is not that
type of episode right now.

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I like the way they're going with Lonnie.

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I do, I still, and I said this on that episode of Sketching Up, like,

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The voice acting for Spider-Man has not been my favorite.

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I think Yuri, the one that does the video game, has been probably my favorite out of
everybody.

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But he does a good enough job and he quips good enough to where it's okay.

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Anyway, overall, I'm really enjoying the show.

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I think if you are a Spider-Man fan, you should definitely check out the show.

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And even the comments maybe even, like, what is it so big that people are

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so down on.

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I think, I just think the show's not that bad.

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I think it's pretty good and I get they're going a different direction.

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I still don't like that Uncle Ben was gone before the show even starts.

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It's not my favorite direction anyone's ever taken.

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But overall, I'm really enjoying the show.

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Anyway, I'm not going to go too deep into it because I want you guys to go watch it
yourself.

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Plus we have Tab Murphy waiting.

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Big animation screenwriter.

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He's done a lot of really big things.

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Hunchback and Notre Dame.

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He's done

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Atlantis, he's done Tarzan, he's done a lot of DC, he's done a lot of really good stuff,
and I don't want to take up too much time, I want to get into his interviews.

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tell me what you think about Spider-Man, but then let's transition on over and roll the
credits, because this is Mad Props.

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I kind of looked at some of your podcasts and you do a lot of sports, which is cool.

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You know,

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I, I've worked basically my whole career in sports.

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currently work in sports.

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I live in Dallas.

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I'm working with the United Football League right now.

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no kidding.

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so I'm, working with them before that.

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I was working, you know, I've worked with soccer teams when we met.

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We, I was at Spoke, it was in Spokane and I, you were, it was the, how would they call
the, the Comic-Con there, but I met you there because I was at Gonzaga at the time.

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Was it Lake City?

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it Lake City?

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It's something like you're, you're, we've met before and, this is the perfect place to
start.

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So you were, you were telling me a little off air, like you started doing a lot more
podcasts because you've become a big celebrity in the pandemic, but I didn't bring you on

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because of that.

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I brought you on because we've met before and I've always meant to reach back out and
that's my wrongdoing.

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I am very bad at communication, but then eventually I was like,

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this is who I need to reach out to.

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And that's why I reached out to you.

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I didn't even know you became this big celebrity.

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Well, and to be you know, no offense dude, don't take it personally.

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I don't remember meeting you You know, don't remember because I'm old now and I forget a
lot of shit, but I've also

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you would need to do all those types of things.

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I'm not, I am not upset with it.

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Trust me, the amount of people I've met and don't remember me, I can make the bucks.

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I I barely remember Lake City.

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mean, so there you go.

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You know, so.

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Better than me, I don't remember the name of it at all, I just remember it's in Spokane
because I was there.

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Yeah, no, that actually was a fun weekend because there were a lot of families and I
really had a great time.

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And that's part of that whole, you know, since the pandemic, I've been invited some of
these cons, you know, and I really enjoy it because not because I want people to, you

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know, buy posters or any of that stuff.

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just like, I really love hearing the stories because they come up and they all have a
story about the movies, in particular, the Disney movies that I wrote.

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what those movies meant to them growing up or going through a difficult time in their life
or whatever.

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And I just thought, you know, that's really cool to be able to hear that as a creator,
that you've worked on things that have made an impact in people's lives.

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just, it's rather addicting, I guess.

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I just, you know, I tell people all the time, I was a big nerd, movie nerd growing up.

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And if I had access to a creator back in those days, I'd be just as crazy wanting to, you
know, meet them or, you know, tell them this movie changed my life or it, you know, so I

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have a lot of empathy to the fans of those movies.

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I, whenever I get invited to go and show up, I try to, because it's, it's not just for me,
it's for them.

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It's very cathartic.

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We've had a lot of people that do the cons and stuff like that on this podcast and I've
gotten to meet a lot of people, especially that I enjoy.

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My favorite thing is meeting people from cartoons or animation that I know and kind of
talk, like if somebody's come on the podcast or I have a connection, like talking to them

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about that person and like kind of learning more, not only about that person I already
know, but the relationship and stuff like that.

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Because we do, I'm a big animation fan, huge animation fan.

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especially that I actually really like the modern, more modern, like I liked the new age
cartoon network stuff, like 2010s, Adventure Time, regular showing on.

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I'm, I'm a nineties kid.

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So obviously I like all the Hanna Barbera and stuff like that.

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Scooby-doo, all those types of things.

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But I, I really think the direction that animation went in where it wasn't just like, it
wasn't just like.

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slapstick and trying to get comedy, but there's story behind it where you can come back to
it as an adult and still really enjoy it, which you know a lot about because when you were

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in, talked about Disney, the movies that you worked on with Disney, the, the, the, the,
the background, but like the inner, their interlocking story was a little darker than some

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of the stuff that was coming out in the Disney at that time.

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And you really worked into not only for kids, but adults.

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So do you feel it?

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gives it more rewatchability when you do something like that, I guess is what I'm getting
at.

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Well, mean, first of all, Disney's great at doing what they do, taking their products and
making sure that the entire world is saturated with them.

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the rewatching and creating an aura, especially for a new generation of young kids growing
up with the movies, these are the movies that are going to define your childhood as you

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get older.

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These are the ones you're gonna remember.

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I mean, they're just masters at that.

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And I was in the right place at the right time in the 90s because that, very early in the
90s, was the beginning of the renaissance of Disney animation that lasted for about 15

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years.

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And so I feel very fortunate and very lucky that I got to work on the four movies that I
wrote during that period.

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I spent 12 years at Disney.

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And I spent 12 years in a...

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writing movies that I never ever in a million years thought I'd be writing, Because I was
all about, I want to be a serious screenwriter.

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My whole focus was on live action.

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I'd already gotten an Academy Award nomination early in my career for Gorillaz in the
Mist.

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So I thought my path was this.

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This is where I'm gonna be.

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So as a consequence, know, Disney kept reaching out to me to...

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come in and see what they were doing in the world of animation.

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And I just had this really stupid prejudice that it was kids movies and I did not want to
write kids movies.

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You know, I just, so I have the dubious distinction of having turned down Toy Story and a
few others that I will mention.

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But it's okay because it's leads to where you are now, right?

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Well, yeah, I've talked about this before, you know, especially in a business now that's
evolving and ever changing in Hollywood and the movie business.

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If you come in or break in or you're trying to break in with this very narrow lane that
you see yourself in.

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And for most people, it's like, want to write big movies.

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It's that romanticism of the red carpet, my movie showing on a big screen premiere and you
know, like

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I mean, today that is the last thing I would encourage somebody to, to, I'm not saying
don't write movies, but I would say, you know, you really need in this climate to be open

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to wherever storytelling takes you.

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Yeah.

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mean, whether it's a, yeah, exactly.

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Because storytelling, good storytelling is still good storytelling.

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And these days there are so many content providers.

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that if you just say, I'm gonna stay in this narrow little lane and keep banging my head
against that concrete, you know, brick wall of big feature film, I wanna write Marvel

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movies or whatever, I think, you know, you're gonna find that opportunities are gonna pass
you by that may lead you to something you never thought of, and that's what was Disney for

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me.

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I kept saying, no, because I was, I thought, I don't wanna do that because that's not what
I'm here for, I'm here for this.

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And when I finally, you know, took my head out of my ass and went in for a meeting, it
changed my life.

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Yeah, and you still get to, like you said, you were like, I don't want to do kids movies,
don't want to do kids movies, but like we just said, you were able to still kind of make a

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narrative that can go towards anyone, not just kids, with Disney because they, the reason
they're so nostalgic and so great is because they don't only serve kids, they serve adults

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with their stories.

253
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Exactly, There's a storyline an adult can enjoy, and that's why there's so many adults
that love Disney.

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Exactly.

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Even though they're cartoons and stuff like that.

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But you're absolutely

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And I was also, again, very lucky because even though I had this sort of prejudice against
writing, you know, like, fluffy, talking animals and dancing this and, you know, know,

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fairy dust and princesses, I ditched...

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The movies I got to write, the movies I really...

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got to work on at Disney, all four of them in their own way were very...

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were not...

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of the same template that when we think of Snow White and we think of those kinds of
movies, they were, you know, I came into the studio at a time when they were really trying

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to push the envelope to do something different.

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And Hunchback, of course, is the prime example of how much different they were trying to
sort of look at storytelling and try things on that they wouldn't have tried on

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necessarily.

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in the old days.

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And so I feel very fortunate.

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I got to write Hunchback, and that was a character that I already knew.

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I mean, I was a monster kid of the 60s, dude.

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I grew up collecting famous monsters in film land.

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And so, you know, the story of Quasimodo and Esmeralda, I was very familiar with, like,
from the age of nine, because I, you know, I knew I was a big fan of Lon Chaney Sr.

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I was a big fan of, you know, so...

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I was just aware of that story, the of the tragic elements of that story.

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So when that meeting, that very first meeting ended and they said, we're also trying to
figure out if there's something in here, in here being Victor Hugo's massive novel.

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I just, it just like, this is why I'm here.

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I said, I'm in, let's do it.

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know, so.

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So maybe lift the curtain on that process a little bit because those movies, a lot of
those movies in the Renaissance were stories that were recreated for Disney.

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So when you go in knowing this story already, do they go, we want to find something from
here.

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We want you to put your twist on it and make it a little more Disney friendly.

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Because some of those stories are very changed to where they were a lot darker and other
ones are kind of following the same path.

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So what is that process like when they bring you in for this?

283
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Well, in terms of the Hunchback, it's almost the complete opposite of what you just
described, which shocked me.

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I was expecting them to say, okay, Hunchback and Notre Dame, great piece of literature,
world literature.

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So we need to, you know, they did say we need to find, we need to discover if there's a
Disney animated movie in this book somewhere.

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That's your job for us to figure out if there is.

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And they gave me a checklist of lots of boxes that had to be checked off before they would
move forward on a project.

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At the same time, so I'm like going, wow, you know, I love this story.

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But if they're going to turn it into what we think of as Disney's like, everybody's happy
and it's songs and there's a villain.

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they, know, like I said, I was just really concerned about that.

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And to Disney's credit, it was, it would, were great.

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They said, look,

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We know what we're asking you to do.

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We know what the material is.

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We know how adult it can be.

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You write the story you want to write, knowing that, of course, we're Disney.

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But you write the story you want to write, and we'll worry about our brand.

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We'll worry about our brand.

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so they gave me license to really just kind of forget about singing and dancing.

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I knew it was going to be a musical.

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That really wasn't my, you know, that wasn't my lane.

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My lane was give us a story that, you know, that we can turn into a Disney animated
musical.

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And so that was great because there was a lot of freedom I was given to try things on and
keep certain themes and push the envelope.

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And if you, I don't know when the last time you watched that movie, but it, I mean, dude,
we got away with murder in that movie.

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I mean, seriously, we got away.

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We got away with shit I thought would never fly.

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Send it up the flagpole, it's gonna come crashing back down saying, no, cut it out, take
this out.

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Never came back down the flagpole.

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Yeah.

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It's funny you say that because we've had a Disney creator on before, Darren Nepsey, and
she kind of said the same thing with her show Star Wars Force of Evil is like when we

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would try to push things sometimes, like we'd expect it to come back and we'd have a plan
B ready to go and then it wouldn't come back.

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They're like, yeah, go with it, go with it, go with it.

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What does this mean?

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Does this mean like we get to have it?

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I mean, I'll tell you a funny story and I've told this story before that there was a
defining moment for me when I realized just how much we were going to be able to get away

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with on Hunchback.

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Alan Menken and Steve Schwartz had already been sort of like, they were doing the music
and the lyrics and the songs and...

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I was, I remember being in a meeting with Kirk and Gary were the directors, Don Hahn was
the producer and a little envelope came in like overnight envelope and in it was a

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cassette.

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So old this is, it was a cassette and it was a song that would eventually become Hellfire.

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And it was the first iteration that Steve and Alan had done.

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Alan on piano, Steve was singing.

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And we were all excited because we knew I had written a, you know, basically a monologue
for Frollo in that scene.

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The scene was exactly, I mean, go across the city, go into his room.

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And what I'd written was a tortured monologue.

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And they came, when they spotted songs, they came to that and said, this is a song, you
know.

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And so we were all kind of like, what's that song gonna be about?

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Because, you know, I was writing it, you know, the subtext of

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lust and desire and anger and you know, want to kill.

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I, you know, I'm going to smite the gypsy and amaz-marel that will be mine and all this
shit, you know?

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And so we were like, what is that song going to sound like?

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Right.

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And I remember we retired to somebody's office and they had a cassette player in there.

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We put it in, we're all sitting around, boom.

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And hellfire comes on.

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Now, if you've heard that song, it's pretty memorable.

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It's, uh, you know, a defining moment.

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not only for the villainy of Claude Frollo, but also for the depth of his depravity.

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mean, it just, it, so this song comes out and it starts playing and I'm kind of sitting
there and I'm looking kind of glancing around the room and I just, jaws slowly start to

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open as this, as this song, you know, continues.

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And I'll never forget Kirk reached over and he clicked it off at the end.

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goes, well, that's never going to make it in the movie.

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it did.

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Yeah.

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it does know that I never know what you're get with.

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Yeah, you do it,

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I guess it was a 25th anniversary of hunchback was like a year ago, maybe two years ago.

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But somebody from the yard times reached out to me and said, Hey, we want to do an article
on hunchback.

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It's the 25th anniversary.

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Can we talk to you about it?

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And I said, sure, sure.

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And I talked to the girl who called me up and not talking about things we're talking about
now.

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And I said, at one point, you know,

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That is the most R-rated G-film you will ever watch.

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And she said, I'm going to use that as a quote.

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And so there I am on Feb.

357
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Yeah, I was like, this is cool, man.

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That was awesome.

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You got to put not only the quote, but there was such a good quote.

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They're like, that's it.

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That's it.

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We're running with it.

363
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Yeah, that's exactly.

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God, that's the.

365
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That was one of those ones where I said, shit, maybe I said too much, but anyway, but it's
true.

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It is that movie, I mean, to this day, you know, I talk to fans a lot about that movie and
they are sort of divided between being terrified by it and being inspired by it.

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Terrified by Claude Frollo, the depravity, the lecherousness and as a child, you know, you
don't understand a lot of that stuff, but they rewatch it as they get older and then they

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realize, my God.

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What a true creep that guy really is.

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Yeah.

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And then the inspiration, of course, is Esmeralda and her, just her passion to, you know,
fight back against Judge Frollo and, you know, his sort of, you know, desire to get rid of

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the gypsies and she's fighting for her people, she's fighting for justice.

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And there's a great scene in there that they often quote, and I'm talking about the fans
where she raises her arm, justice against Claude Frollo.

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you know, on the dais there with Quasimodo and it just, it was a dream to work on that
movie for me.

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to watch it, when it was done, I just was like, wow, I had a small part to play in it,
man, because they had 300 of the most talented people that, you know, 24 seven for three

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years put everything they had into that movie.

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And it just shows, it's just beautiful.

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I still love it.

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How often do you go back and rewatch like that or anything else you've worked on?

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Do you watch it often?

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Are you kind to someone that's like you watch it once, move on to the next one?

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I don't watch it that often.

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I rewatched Hunchback just because I hadn't, the 25th anniversary was coming up.

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I hadn't watched it in 20 years, dude.

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I hadn't watched it in 20 years.

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And I was just curious if it held up, you know?

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So I was, it was like watching it for the first time in many ways for me.

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And so, you know, I disassociate myself from, I wrote this and I wrote some of that and I
wrote that.

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And I just watched it as a movie.

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And I just was knocked out by it.

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It's just a magnificent piece of art.

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It's the way I describe Hunchback.

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Was it a skill to gain that, to where you can watch something and disassociate what you
did for the movie?

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Like, I feel like if I was any part of writing a movie, I'd want to point out every single
time that I wrote that line right there.

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I did it.

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I wrote this line.

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Oh, let me, I'll tell ya.

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You know how I didn't remember you?

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Oftentimes, I don't remember if I wrote that line or somebody else did.

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But you know, so many people wanna find somebody associated with the movie and give me
credit for everything.

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And so I spent, know, like when I started to understand that there were fans of these
movies out there and I started to interact with them.

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And they'd like, Tab, oh, you just did, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

403
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I was a part of a 300 man and woman team.

404
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I did my part, but I am not responsible for the entire movie.

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mean, you know, like, uh, but still, you know, it's just like somebody want, they want to
cling and say, they want to give thanks to somebody.

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So for the longest time I would pass those thanks on to everybody else associated with it.

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Now I just like, I'm too tired.

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can't do it.

409
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Yeah.

410
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Give it to me.

411
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Just give it to me.

412
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Okay.

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I did.

414
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You're right.

415
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I did everything.

416
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Yes, yes, yes.

417
00:29:40,486 --> 00:29:41,826
Actually, you should be giving me more.

418
00:29:41,826 --> 00:29:42,966
Everyone in line.

419
00:29:42,966 --> 00:29:44,966
By the way, did you see Star Wars?

420
00:29:45,146 --> 00:29:46,426
But I that too.

421
00:29:46,426 --> 00:29:47,986
What else do you guys like?

422
00:29:48,226 --> 00:29:49,146
What else do you guys like?

423
00:29:49,146 --> 00:29:50,706
I did all that stuff.

424
00:29:51,052 --> 00:29:55,545
No, but no, but I, they need to say those things.

425
00:29:55,545 --> 00:30:04,760
They wanna say those things because that is their way of saying your work and the work of
all the people who worked on that movie meant something to me, you know?

426
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:11,274
So I don't try to edit them anymore and say, I just bring it on.

427
00:30:11,274 --> 00:30:15,606
But you know, I'm so happy that that movie meant something to you.

428
00:30:15,606 --> 00:30:16,767
Can I you a poster?

429
00:30:16,767 --> 00:30:17,137
Boom.

430
00:30:17,137 --> 00:30:19,214
Yeah, you know?

431
00:30:19,214 --> 00:30:24,214
It's something I like about, I was not a big con person.

432
00:30:24,214 --> 00:30:28,854
Actually, the one I went to, my girlfriend got us tickets for my birthday.

433
00:30:28,854 --> 00:30:30,894
That's why I even went to that one.

434
00:30:31,194 --> 00:30:39,194
And I really, it was really the first one I went to and it a really cool experience that
you get to see some of these people that you never think you'd have interactions with,

435
00:30:39,194 --> 00:30:39,454
right?

436
00:30:39,454 --> 00:30:40,374
And that's what you're talking about.

437
00:30:40,374 --> 00:30:41,974
Like they want to thank somebody.

438
00:30:41,974 --> 00:30:44,524
And the reason they're thanking you is there's 300 other people.

439
00:30:44,524 --> 00:30:46,859
When are they ever gonna talk to any of those other 300 people?

440
00:30:46,859 --> 00:30:53,934
Like they need to tell you how much they're thankful for that movie if it meant so much to
them, because there might not be another opportunity to thank anybody else.

441
00:30:53,934 --> 00:30:56,010
And so they go to you and say thank you so much.

442
00:30:56,010 --> 00:31:01,514
And I, you know, that's how I felt when I first came to USC film school.

443
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:08,020
I grew up, you know, in a small town in Washington state, small town back in the day.

444
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:18,829
And, you know, I had all these interests, monster magazines, movies, monster movies,
movies in general, like that I could not talk to anybody about.

445
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:22,192
I mean, it just stayed inside, you know, like I couldn't share.

446
00:31:22,192 --> 00:31:24,354
look at this great, you know, like

447
00:31:24,386 --> 00:31:26,507
How they made the Phantom of the Opera.

448
00:31:26,507 --> 00:31:28,818
Lon Chaney was, he did his own makeup, man.

449
00:31:28,818 --> 00:31:29,789
Can you imagine?

450
00:31:29,789 --> 00:31:32,330
Like, I didn't have anybody to share that stuff with.

451
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:40,615
So when I hit film school, and suddenly I went from, I got a niche passion here, to now
it's 24-7.

452
00:31:40,775 --> 00:31:49,920
I'm surrounded by people who love movies, who love film, who love to have conversations
about all the little stupid shit I loved growing up.

453
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,014
I was like a kid in a candy store, man.

454
00:31:53,014 --> 00:32:04,141
So I understand that need to share your feelings, those emotions, the ones that came up as
they watched the four movies I worked on.

455
00:32:04,141 --> 00:32:09,644
I just, I enjoy going.

456
00:32:09,644 --> 00:32:10,845
it's a lot of fun.

457
00:32:10,845 --> 00:32:12,566
The weekend's a lot of fun.

458
00:32:12,566 --> 00:32:13,439
It's really

459
00:32:13,439 --> 00:32:22,144
yeah, meeting people that are appreciative of your work and people that share the same
interests, it's gotta be fun, whether you remember them or not.

460
00:32:22,252 --> 00:32:32,094
And you know, it's so funny, once in a while somebody will see and you know, like the
poster's hanging and you know, screenwriter, timer, and all the...

461
00:32:32,094 --> 00:32:35,277
And then they'll look at me and they'll just be shaking, like shaking.

462
00:32:35,458 --> 00:32:38,321
And I'll have to remind them, I'm just the writer.

463
00:32:38,321 --> 00:32:39,922
I'm just the writer.

464
00:32:40,443 --> 00:32:42,425
You don't have to be nervous.

465
00:32:42,798 --> 00:32:45,278
What if it means so much to them you're meeting the writer?

466
00:32:45,278 --> 00:32:46,698
That's unbelievable.

467
00:32:46,722 --> 00:32:51,863
And they come forward and then by the end, we're all laughing and taking selfies and it's
a lot of fun.

468
00:32:51,863 --> 00:32:57,945
And that is, you know, to me, it's like my way of sort of giving back.

469
00:32:58,605 --> 00:33:07,428
And that started during the pandemic, by the way, because, know, I really wasn't aware, to
be honest.

470
00:33:07,428 --> 00:33:16,680
I was not aware of the impact that those four movies that I wrote for Disney had on a
generation of kids growing up.

471
00:33:17,366 --> 00:33:22,129
And it kind of became apparent.

472
00:33:22,129 --> 00:33:29,655
had a buddy, I still have a buddy, who owned a studio, a film studio over in Kona on the
Big Island.

473
00:33:29,655 --> 00:33:31,496
And he invited me over.

474
00:33:31,496 --> 00:33:33,027
They were workshopping some stuff.

475
00:33:33,027 --> 00:33:39,201
Come over, you know, and help work on this project and I'll pay you and it'll be great.

476
00:33:39,201 --> 00:33:40,272
We'll have a good time.

477
00:33:40,272 --> 00:33:41,172
Come over for a couple of weeks.

478
00:33:41,172 --> 00:33:42,723
And I said, okay, come on.

479
00:33:42,723 --> 00:33:44,344
Boom, go over there.

480
00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,766
And in Kona, they have a film school.

481
00:33:46,766 --> 00:33:56,346
and the director of that film school found out I was working with David in his studio, and
they used that studio's screening room.

482
00:33:56,426 --> 00:34:03,886
So he reached out to David and said, do you think Tab would mind screening Gorillas in the
Mist for my students?

483
00:34:03,946 --> 00:34:04,986
And David asked me.

484
00:34:04,986 --> 00:34:08,886
said, no, haven't seen, that's another movie I hadn't seen in forever, right?

485
00:34:09,606 --> 00:34:16,022
So the night of the screening, there's like 25, know, mid-20,

486
00:34:16,022 --> 00:34:21,066
year olds, guys and girls sitting in the audience watch the movie.

487
00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:26,330
Go up on stage, moderator their Q &A about Gorillas in the Mist.

488
00:34:26,751 --> 00:34:33,517
And it's very kind of sedate, very respectable and the few questions and the gorillas and
this and that.

489
00:34:33,517 --> 00:34:38,020
But you you're talking about a movie that was made before most of them were born.

490
00:34:38,162 --> 00:34:39,752
I mean before any of them.

491
00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:40,993
88 right?

492
00:34:40,993 --> 00:34:41,073
Yeah.

493
00:34:41,073 --> 00:34:42,233
Is around then that was?

494
00:34:42,233 --> 00:34:42,757
Yeah.

495
00:34:42,926 --> 00:34:46,566
So we're almost at the end of the Q &A.

496
00:34:46,566 --> 00:34:49,046
And it went on for like 15 minutes.

497
00:34:49,626 --> 00:34:59,126
And the moderator said, oh, by the way, you may not know this, but Tab also wrote,
hunchback another day, Tarzan, Atlantis the last.

498
00:34:59,126 --> 00:35:01,906
Dude, you should have seen that.

499
00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:05,886
It was like cattle prods had hit under their seat.

500
00:35:06,506 --> 00:35:09,686
I mean, it just went nuts in there.

501
00:35:09,686 --> 00:35:11,426
Literally nuts.

502
00:35:11,478 --> 00:35:14,060
And I was like so taken aback by that.

503
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:15,981
And at the end, they were all lined up.

504
00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,923
had to, know, that was like 20 deep.

505
00:35:18,923 --> 00:35:20,805
They were lined up to meet me, shake my hand.

506
00:35:20,805 --> 00:35:22,686
Wait till I tell my mom I met you.

507
00:35:22,686 --> 00:35:24,427
You don't understand that movie.

508
00:35:24,427 --> 00:35:32,332
And then that was when I started to really like, wow, the power of these movies was
really, I kind of missed that.

509
00:35:33,493 --> 00:35:40,238
And then concurrently, like a year later, the pandemic hits and this,

510
00:35:40,832 --> 00:35:44,584
Young woman, Tammy Tucker is her name.

511
00:35:47,086 --> 00:35:49,468
She reached out to me.

512
00:35:49,468 --> 00:35:49,728
does.

513
00:35:49,728 --> 00:35:51,529
She has a YouTube Disney channel.

514
00:35:51,529 --> 00:35:54,991
She likes to interview Disney, behind the scenes Disney people.

515
00:35:55,012 --> 00:35:58,774
Tab, would you come on and talk about Atlantis, the Lost Empire?

516
00:35:59,942 --> 00:36:02,057
I hadn't talked about that movie in 20 years.

517
00:36:02,057 --> 00:36:05,199
Like to me, that movie was a flop.

518
00:36:05,579 --> 00:36:09,932
It was considered not successful in terms of what Disney.

519
00:36:10,082 --> 00:36:12,033
what they were doing in the 90s and stuff.

520
00:36:12,033 --> 00:36:14,045
terms of animated movies.

521
00:36:14,045 --> 00:36:21,850
here I am thinking for 20 years, I probably wrote, I wrote a Disney animated flop.

522
00:36:21,871 --> 00:36:23,622
I love the film, don't get me wrong.

523
00:36:23,622 --> 00:36:31,577
We all worked so hard on it, but when it came out, just, it just did not do well for any
number of reasons, by the way.

524
00:36:32,999 --> 00:36:35,090
So I was like, sure, I'll talk about that.

525
00:36:35,090 --> 00:36:37,582
So I go on and do this 20 minute thing with her.

526
00:36:37,582 --> 00:36:39,182
about Atlantis the Lost Empire.

527
00:36:39,182 --> 00:36:44,602
At the end of it she goes, I don't think you realize how many fans of this movie are out
there.

528
00:36:44,602 --> 00:36:45,842
I'm like, really?

529
00:36:45,962 --> 00:36:46,642
Really?

530
00:36:46,642 --> 00:36:47,862
Oh my God.

531
00:36:47,862 --> 00:36:55,122
So she directs me to this Facebook page, Atlantis the Lost Empire, posting 30,000 people.

532
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,391
Yup.

533
00:36:56,435 --> 00:36:57,710
It became a cult classic.

534
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:59,365
A lot of those movies did.

535
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,621
No clue.

536
00:37:00,621 --> 00:37:01,735
No clue.

537
00:37:02,286 --> 00:37:06,186
what the internet can do for stuff like those types of movies that weren't.

538
00:37:06,186 --> 00:37:15,006
You see it all the time now, these movies from the 90s, the 80s, even the early 2000s that
didn't have box office success or whatever you wanted, however they wanted to measure

539
00:37:15,006 --> 00:37:15,986
success then.

540
00:37:15,986 --> 00:37:22,586
But a lot of, in my generation, I was in the single digits when those movies came out, but
I've seen all of them.

541
00:37:22,586 --> 00:37:24,606
I've seen all of them multiple times.

542
00:37:24,626 --> 00:37:28,008
I remember watching Atlantis in school.

543
00:37:28,008 --> 00:37:30,379
on like, like substitute teacher days.

544
00:37:30,379 --> 00:37:33,981
That was the go-to movie that we would always watch.

545
00:37:34,422 --> 00:37:37,063
Out of all those movies, I've probably seen Tarzan the most.

546
00:37:37,063 --> 00:37:40,465
I remember reenacting the movie with my friends.

547
00:37:40,465 --> 00:37:50,921
So you don't realize it because at the time it's like, the box office is the box office
that, but now that you can actually get these communities together and reminisce over this

548
00:37:50,921 --> 00:37:55,734
type of stuff that we enjoyed as kids, like it builds a whole new fan base.

549
00:37:55,734 --> 00:38:04,316
And it's a similar story, especially when I meet a lot of these people at the Comic-Cons
and stuff that you see like, you know, when I did this movie, nothing happened.

550
00:38:04,316 --> 00:38:07,599
You know, I was the lead voice actor in this movie and nothing happened.

551
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,611
But then all of a sudden all these people came out and they're so excited to meet me and I
never realized it.

552
00:38:12,611 --> 00:38:23,986
And I think it's just because the term of success has kind of changed from box office
success to who's actually seeing this movie, who's actually a fan of this movie and who

553
00:38:23,986 --> 00:38:25,262
would want to

554
00:38:25,262 --> 00:38:26,742
you know, learn more about it.

555
00:38:26,742 --> 00:38:29,442
Like who wants to see more of what I do and stuff like that.

556
00:38:29,442 --> 00:38:32,882
So I could see where that comes from and why it happens in the pandemic.

557
00:38:32,882 --> 00:38:35,822
Cause in the pandemic there's not much to do.

558
00:38:35,902 --> 00:38:37,262
Well, you're exactly right.

559
00:38:37,262 --> 00:38:37,870
when I was young.

560
00:38:37,870 --> 00:38:39,010
You're exactly right.

561
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:56,030
So what I did when I saw that there was a fan base out there, like on that Atlantis fan
page, I made a post and I posted a picture of this, which is a cell from the movie.

562
00:38:56,130 --> 00:39:06,690
It's the submarine about to be devoured by the Loa'a'a'a'a

563
00:39:06,884 --> 00:39:08,214
You know, I it a joke.

564
00:39:08,214 --> 00:39:10,185
I just said it as a joke, you know?

565
00:39:10,985 --> 00:39:12,701
Everyone's like I'll take it from you

566
00:39:12,754 --> 00:39:14,085
It just exploded, dude.

567
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:15,257
Exploded.

568
00:39:15,257 --> 00:39:16,498
Exploded.

569
00:39:16,498 --> 00:39:18,790
Like, people were like, what the?

570
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:20,320
Like, and it just, and it...

571
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:25,886
So as a result, you know, I started to go, I started to give away posters.

572
00:39:25,886 --> 00:39:30,309
I gave away thousands of posters throughout, through the pandemic.

573
00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:35,074
I would just go into people's, like, messenger, hi, I'm Tab.

574
00:39:35,074 --> 00:39:37,115
Can I send you some free posters?

575
00:39:37,396 --> 00:39:39,640
And they're just, they just go out of their minds.

576
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,799
Just light up.

577
00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:51,334
God, dude, and I wanted something to be really free, not just, but if you say, yeah, you
guys pay for postage or the, no, I'd like, this is really free.

578
00:39:51,334 --> 00:39:53,857
You know how you hear such shit's free and it's not?

579
00:39:53,857 --> 00:39:59,903
This is totally free, on me, I'll send you some signed posters, all I need is your
address.

580
00:39:59,904 --> 00:40:02,206
I've sent hundreds all over the world,

581
00:40:02,798 --> 00:40:04,450
That's how you're going to build a fan base.

582
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:08,555
That's how you're to build the fan base that wants to come see you and stuff like that.

583
00:40:08,555 --> 00:40:12,194
But it's also everyone that says yes, you know they're fan of the work, right?

584
00:40:12,194 --> 00:40:13,356
Well, exactly.

585
00:40:13,356 --> 00:40:15,799
nobody said, only one person said no.

586
00:40:15,799 --> 00:40:18,201
And then they came back around and said,

587
00:40:18,238 --> 00:40:23,178
Okay, know, it's actually pretty cool.

588
00:40:23,406 --> 00:40:27,026
But I did it because I was fucking bored too during the pandemic.

589
00:40:27,026 --> 00:40:28,946
And then this gave me something to do.

590
00:40:28,946 --> 00:40:40,226
It gave me to connect with fans and then I ran a couple of Q &As through the Facebook
group, you know, so people would, you know, like with their questions and I, again, it

591
00:40:40,226 --> 00:40:43,326
goes back to my own nerdiness growing up.

592
00:40:43,326 --> 00:40:50,314
If I would have been able to talk to somebody that created a movie I loved, I would have
just been out of my mind, you know, or have you.

593
00:40:50,314 --> 00:40:53,587
or had anything to do with the movies I loved as a kid.

594
00:40:53,587 --> 00:40:56,836
I'd jump at that chance too, so.

595
00:40:56,910 --> 00:41:03,930
I do understand, talk to people about, like, talking to people like you and stuff.

596
00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:08,050
I understand, like, the platform I have where I could talk to really cool people.

597
00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:10,330
And I do understand not a lot of people get that opportunity.

598
00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:15,650
I actually, when we first started this show, we started it in 2020, end of 2020, I think
it was.

599
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:16,250
Oh, is that right?

600
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:17,790
Might have been early 2021.

601
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:18,010
Yeah.

602
00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:21,966
But I've been doing radio interviews for college radio and stuff for...

603
00:41:21,966 --> 00:41:24,106
for years and years years.

604
00:41:24,106 --> 00:41:27,286
And I started doing college radio in 2013.

605
00:41:27,446 --> 00:41:29,406
that's how I started doing the interviews and stuff.

606
00:41:29,406 --> 00:41:31,866
Actually, I started doing the interviews because I was a journalism major.

607
00:41:31,866 --> 00:41:33,446
And I would interview sports people.

608
00:41:33,446 --> 00:41:36,066
We talked a little bit about sports earlier and stuff like that.

609
00:41:36,066 --> 00:41:43,226
And then it kind of moved into I got my sister was the GM of the radio station at New
Haven where we both went to college.

610
00:41:43,226 --> 00:41:44,566
She was a year above me.

611
00:41:44,566 --> 00:41:48,226
And any time they got somebody coming in, I would interview them.

612
00:41:48,306 --> 00:41:51,278
one day, before I was even on the radio or anything,

613
00:41:51,278 --> 00:41:54,658
Because I was never someone to get too starstruck ever in my life.

614
00:41:54,818 --> 00:42:00,238
I like meeting people, I like having conversations, I like seeing how, you know, it's
interesting to me.

615
00:42:00,238 --> 00:42:06,758
So the radio station brought in Rev Run to have an interview and everyone was too scared
to talk to Rev Run.

616
00:42:06,758 --> 00:42:12,738
He's a big name, it's Run DMC, you know, and they're in New Haven, so it's right by New
York, all that stuff.

617
00:42:12,998 --> 00:42:16,518
So my sister goes, would you want to jump on the air and interview him?

618
00:42:16,518 --> 00:42:20,162
And I'm like, hell yeah, want to interview Rev Run, that's amazing.

619
00:42:20,162 --> 00:42:25,116
So I went in and did like a seven minute interview with Rev Run and I kind of became the
person they would go to.

620
00:42:25,116 --> 00:42:27,529
Jalen Rose came in, I'm the one that's interviewing them.

621
00:42:27,529 --> 00:42:29,200
Anybody that would come in, I'd go interview.

622
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:34,775
And then I started my own show where I had people coming on and started interviewing all
these other people and stuff like that.

623
00:42:34,775 --> 00:42:39,479
And it continued on to this podcast where now I have conversations and interview.

624
00:42:39,479 --> 00:42:41,942
But I understand that's not a platform everybody has.

625
00:42:41,942 --> 00:42:46,962
Like they go to these Comic Cons because you get the opportunity to actually interact with
these people.

626
00:42:46,962 --> 00:42:50,763
And it's, even I go to them and I have that where I talk to people.

627
00:42:50,763 --> 00:42:55,445
I still like going to them because just talking to these people, getting to understand
their mindset.

628
00:42:55,445 --> 00:43:02,987
And I try to go in with a little bit of like, okay, Ted was out here just talking about
Atlantis with this guy in front of me for 45 minutes.

629
00:43:02,987 --> 00:43:07,868
Maybe I should bring up a different movie or something else.

630
00:43:07,868 --> 00:43:10,279
I just watched him talk about this for 45 minutes.

631
00:43:10,279 --> 00:43:13,590
I'm sure he doesn't want to start a new conversation about it as well, but.

632
00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:19,703
It's just so interesting to me being able to talk and see what the process is and see what
other things people like.

633
00:43:19,703 --> 00:43:26,517
One big thing about this show, like talking about things outside of maybe screenwriting
that you do or something like that.

634
00:43:26,517 --> 00:43:27,888
Because I think it's just interesting.

635
00:43:27,888 --> 00:43:32,390
I think it's interesting to, like, everyone looks at these people as this is what they do
and they don't do anything else.

636
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:35,502
it's like, has other, there's other hobbies.

637
00:43:35,795 --> 00:43:41,709
Well, you know the truth is Chris When I got out of high school, I went to my first year
college.

638
00:43:41,709 --> 00:43:44,836
I thought I wanted to be a forest ranger That's it.

639
00:43:44,836 --> 00:43:45,625
That's what

640
00:43:45,625 --> 00:43:47,398
a very different path.

641
00:43:48,110 --> 00:43:52,430
I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and so I grew up close to nature.

642
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:58,796
My dad took us camping and backpacking and I grew up fishing and I love the outdoors.

643
00:43:58,796 --> 00:44:04,478
I love mountains and that part of me is such a passion.

644
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:13,424
The wilderness and outdoors and it's like it's made it into, that passion is translated as
things I've written.

645
00:44:16,588 --> 00:44:23,073
No, I spend a lot of time still hiking and getting outside and going on adventures.

646
00:44:23,073 --> 00:44:23,853
I just love it.

647
00:44:23,853 --> 00:44:34,470
know, like riding gorillas in the mist was a great turning point in my career, but the
best part of it was that I got to go to Rwanda, hike into the Virunga Mountains, and sit

648
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:38,373
with these amazing, amazing animals.

649
00:44:40,375 --> 00:44:44,737
would have traded that for anything else to do with the movie.

650
00:44:46,146 --> 00:44:47,914
Great, it was a great experience.

651
00:44:47,914 --> 00:44:49,002
So I loved it.

652
00:44:49,002 --> 00:44:54,725
You're in the PNW as well, which I've lived in a lot of places in my life.

653
00:44:54,725 --> 00:44:56,414
And I'm in Dallas, Texas now.

654
00:44:56,414 --> 00:44:57,867
lived in Connecticut, Indianapolis.

655
00:44:57,867 --> 00:45:00,208
I'm from New York, lived in Boston.

656
00:45:00,248 --> 00:45:06,832
My favorite place nature-wise and just how it was was Spokane, Washington.

657
00:45:06,832 --> 00:45:07,943
It's so beautiful.

658
00:45:07,943 --> 00:45:10,454
There's so much to do outdoors.

659
00:45:11,075 --> 00:45:12,927
I miss it every day, really do.

660
00:45:12,927 --> 00:45:13,788
Especially right now.

661
00:45:13,788 --> 00:45:16,000
Especially now when it's snowing.

662
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,283
I got into snow sports while I was out there.

663
00:45:18,283 --> 00:45:20,234
Now I really miss it.

664
00:45:20,642 --> 00:45:22,579
Do live in Spokane?

665
00:45:22,734 --> 00:45:25,514
I went to Gonzaga for two years.

666
00:45:26,654 --> 00:45:27,234
Yes.

667
00:45:27,234 --> 00:45:29,654
And my girlfriend went to the law school.

668
00:45:29,654 --> 00:45:30,714
She was there for three years.

669
00:45:30,714 --> 00:45:33,654
I was there from 2020 until about 2022.

670
00:45:33,654 --> 00:45:37,394
And then I got a job in Connecticut, packed up my stuff, went over to Connecticut.

671
00:45:37,394 --> 00:45:38,834
She joined me a year later.

672
00:45:38,834 --> 00:45:40,854
Then I got a different job and she got a different job.

673
00:45:40,854 --> 00:45:42,034
We moved to Indianapolis.

674
00:45:42,034 --> 00:45:42,634
Oh my gosh.

675
00:45:42,634 --> 00:45:43,514
for a few months.

676
00:45:43,514 --> 00:45:45,854
And then she works for a law firm.

677
00:45:45,854 --> 00:45:46,814
We moved down to Dallas.

678
00:45:46,814 --> 00:45:47,994
She works for the law firm there.

679
00:45:47,994 --> 00:45:50,834
And now, like I said before, I work for the UFL.

680
00:45:50,834 --> 00:45:52,120
So we've been all over.

681
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,506
Yeah, they're couple there.

682
00:45:54,506 --> 00:45:55,982
That's wild.

683
00:45:55,982 --> 00:45:56,262
Cool.

684
00:45:56,262 --> 00:46:00,162
Yeah, that's all maybe two years that all this happens.

685
00:46:00,162 --> 00:46:02,582
And before that, I lived in Boston.

686
00:46:02,582 --> 00:46:05,842
I got my undergraduate in New Haven, University of New Haven.

687
00:46:05,842 --> 00:46:08,362
So I was in New Haven from New York, lived in Boston.

688
00:46:08,362 --> 00:46:10,742
I did a year down in Gainesville, Florida.

689
00:46:12,061 --> 00:46:16,742
I've been almost everywhere to live in my 31 years.

690
00:46:17,475 --> 00:46:22,898
I that really shines a light on why I love to travel, because I do too.

691
00:46:22,898 --> 00:46:24,797
I love to travel.

692
00:46:26,094 --> 00:46:28,301
I spend some time in LA.

693
00:46:28,301 --> 00:46:30,302
I spend time in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

694
00:46:30,302 --> 00:46:32,543
I spend time at the ENW.

695
00:46:32,543 --> 00:46:34,614
And it's not because I have to move there for work.

696
00:46:34,614 --> 00:46:36,655
I just go there, because I'm a writer.

697
00:46:36,655 --> 00:46:38,526
I could do it just about anywhere.

698
00:46:38,526 --> 00:46:41,148
So I have favorite places in Montana.

699
00:46:41,148 --> 00:46:42,809
just go every year.

700
00:46:42,809 --> 00:46:45,772
I'm always on the road, it seems like, living.

701
00:46:45,772 --> 00:46:47,607
Sort of a nomadic lifestyle.

702
00:46:47,607 --> 00:46:51,989
Two months here, three months here, two months there, five months here, whatever.

703
00:46:51,989 --> 00:46:54,113
You know, it's just, I love it.

704
00:46:54,113 --> 00:46:54,798
It's great.

705
00:46:54,798 --> 00:46:58,218
I do tell people that ask me about it.

706
00:46:58,218 --> 00:47:00,058
I'm like, you should travel, you should check out things.

707
00:47:00,058 --> 00:47:08,458
My favorite things I think I've done in my entire life was the couple of trips from New
York to Spokane and Spokane to wherever, Connecticut, New York, whatever.

708
00:47:08,458 --> 00:47:09,678
I drove a couple times.

709
00:47:09,678 --> 00:47:10,278
Oh, that's great.

710
00:47:10,278 --> 00:47:13,158
It's because you get to see so much of the country.

711
00:47:13,158 --> 00:47:16,038
Before that, I never went out west before I went to Gonzaga.

712
00:47:16,038 --> 00:47:18,038
So the furthest west I ever went was Missouri.

713
00:47:18,038 --> 00:47:18,558
Oh, OK.

714
00:47:18,558 --> 00:47:20,358
And so I got to see deserts.

715
00:47:20,358 --> 00:47:24,014
I got to see real mountains, which you don't see on the East Coast.

716
00:47:24,014 --> 00:47:25,634
These are real mountains.

717
00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:27,434
You have hills on the East Coast.

718
00:47:27,434 --> 00:47:28,314
Yeah, have hills.

719
00:47:28,314 --> 00:47:29,534
There's hills over there.

720
00:47:29,534 --> 00:47:33,974
So I never did snow sports right before I was out in Spokane.

721
00:47:33,974 --> 00:47:41,114
So I come back, I'm in Connecticut and I'm going on a ski trip with my friends way up in
New York, up past Buffalo.

722
00:47:41,374 --> 00:47:48,434
And I'm like, I'm driving out there and I'm running low on gas and I'm like, all right,
I'll just, it says I have about 20 minutes.

723
00:47:49,085 --> 00:47:50,186
I'll get to the base.

724
00:47:50,186 --> 00:47:51,386
have to be near the base.

725
00:47:51,386 --> 00:47:52,226
Then you go up.

726
00:47:52,226 --> 00:47:55,226
Because in the Pacific Northwest, you get to the base, then it's an hour up.

727
00:47:55,226 --> 00:47:56,146
It's a two hour drive.

728
00:47:56,146 --> 00:47:57,166
hour there, an hour up.

729
00:47:57,166 --> 00:47:59,826
I think it was like maybe 40 minutes, whatever.

730
00:47:59,826 --> 00:48:01,806
40 minutes left in my drive before I'm there.

731
00:48:01,806 --> 00:48:02,846
I have to be near the base.

732
00:48:02,846 --> 00:48:04,246
There's going to be a gas station at the base.

733
00:48:04,246 --> 00:48:06,726
So I just continue on, continue on, continue on.

734
00:48:06,966 --> 00:48:09,626
I eventually stopped at this one gas station.

735
00:48:09,626 --> 00:48:10,886
like, where the heck is the base?

736
00:48:10,886 --> 00:48:12,606
So I get gas, and I'm still going.

737
00:48:12,606 --> 00:48:14,286
I'm like, I still haven't reached the base.

738
00:48:14,286 --> 00:48:15,706
And it says I'm two minutes away.

739
00:48:15,706 --> 00:48:15,986
And I look.

740
00:48:15,986 --> 00:48:16,742
I'm like,

741
00:48:16,884 --> 00:48:17,465
this is it.

742
00:48:17,465 --> 00:48:19,376
This is where we start.

743
00:48:19,376 --> 00:48:23,440
We're on the ground, and we go up to the top of the hill, and we go down the hill.

744
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,600
We don't go up the hill.

745
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,834
OK.

746
00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:27,143
I was like, all right.

747
00:48:27,143 --> 00:48:31,626
I did not put two and two together because the only time I ever went was out west.

748
00:48:31,626 --> 00:48:35,079
you go, like I said, we would drive into Idaho.

749
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:40,073
We drive an hour in Idaho, to Schweitzer Mountain, and then we an hour up Schweitzer
Mountain.

750
00:48:40,073 --> 00:48:41,414
And then that's where you go.

751
00:48:41,414 --> 00:48:42,835
That's where you do it all.

752
00:48:42,835 --> 00:48:44,015
So I was so confused.

753
00:48:44,015 --> 00:48:45,567
I'm like, no, this is it.

754
00:48:45,567 --> 00:48:46,558
This is.

755
00:48:49,452 --> 00:48:53,764
Well, I went, my first year of college was at WSU, just South of Spokane.

756
00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:55,705
So, yeah.

757
00:48:55,705 --> 00:49:01,447
So Pullman that's a, and it was the greatest year of college of my life.

758
00:49:01,547 --> 00:49:09,866
And I, mean, because I was away from home and I was, you know, I'm making new friends and
we've just partied our asses up.

759
00:49:09,866 --> 00:49:15,032
had, it was just like breakout, like it's been Lizzie, it's breakout.

760
00:49:16,393 --> 00:49:19,346
it was so much fun and I had fun at

761
00:49:19,346 --> 00:49:30,849
USC for different reasons than I mentioned before because I could speak a language that
you know finally that you know, no one said yeah Yeah, so but I had such a good time that

762
00:49:30,849 --> 00:49:43,973
first year at college and it kind of broke my heart because I also knew I had an epiphany
that being a forest ranger Was not meant for me You know, I mean I thought it was all this

763
00:49:43,973 --> 00:49:49,374
passion growing up in the outdoors and I just realized that I had this quiet

764
00:49:49,656 --> 00:50:03,074
quiet dream that I suddenly, know, I allowed to give a voice to and that that dream
overwhelmed me and overwhelmed any desire I had to become a forest ranger and that was to

765
00:50:03,074 --> 00:50:05,315
go get into the movie business.

766
00:50:05,475 --> 00:50:06,835
it...

767
00:50:08,177 --> 00:50:18,292
Well, and I often tell people, know, like I get, I try to, you know, I'm open to talking
to young wannabe writers, screenwriters, talking about things and...

768
00:50:19,186 --> 00:50:25,030
and giving them advice and I teach an online screenwriting course as well and things like
that.

769
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:36,178
But I often tell them, you know, one of the most powerful things that anyone starting off
in life and trying to follow their passion or their dreams can understand about themselves

770
00:50:36,178 --> 00:50:43,072
in addition to that's what I want, I'm gonna work hard, that's what I'm going for, is to
know what's not meant for you.

771
00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:51,159
That's just as equally powerful as knowing and deciding this is what I want, that's what's
meant for me, I'm gonna go for it.

772
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:54,514
Because, you know, it's...

773
00:50:56,736 --> 00:50:58,057
The minute you...

774
00:50:58,057 --> 00:51:00,959
And it's not about, I'm gonna give up my dream.

775
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,250
It's not that at all.

776
00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:09,425
When you know and you understand that something isn't meant for you, what it does is it
opens the door for the dream you're supposed to be chasing.

777
00:51:09,566 --> 00:51:10,503
My opinion.

778
00:51:10,503 --> 00:51:20,052
It's one of the biggest skills you can have is realizing when something's either not meant
for you or it's not your lane and when it is your lane.

779
00:51:20,052 --> 00:51:23,305
And it is something a lot of people struggle with, which you could tell.

780
00:51:23,305 --> 00:51:27,459
could see even, let's just stick with what we're on in podcasting.

781
00:51:27,459 --> 00:51:29,461
Some people are very, very good at it.

782
00:51:29,461 --> 00:51:32,804
And some people do it because it's like a platform they can have.

783
00:51:32,804 --> 00:51:34,894
And you could tell, you could tell the difference.

784
00:51:34,894 --> 00:51:36,234
I was in the same boat.

785
00:51:36,234 --> 00:51:38,254
I wanted to be a sports broadcaster.

786
00:51:38,254 --> 00:51:41,214
That was the dream was to be a sports broadcaster.

787
00:51:41,214 --> 00:51:44,794
And I wasn't terrible at it or anything, but it definitely wasn't for me.

788
00:51:44,794 --> 00:51:46,694
Like I have problem pronouncing people's names.

789
00:51:46,694 --> 00:51:49,554
Like that's not good for a sports broadcaster.

790
00:51:50,094 --> 00:51:53,974
You can't pronounce names, but I realized it wasn't for me.

791
00:51:53,974 --> 00:51:55,034
I've done it a couple of times.

792
00:51:55,034 --> 00:51:56,014
I've done it successfully.

793
00:51:56,014 --> 00:52:01,003
I did it for even Gonzaga, even as late as Gonzaga in 2020 to 2022, but...

794
00:52:01,003 --> 00:52:04,171
It just was, my lane was being a videographer and doing stuff like this.

795
00:52:04,171 --> 00:52:06,115
Like that's, that's where I excelled

796
00:52:06,878 --> 00:52:09,280
And the truth is you're still in the sports world.

797
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:19,987
So your love of sports was, you know, your dream was to be a sportscaster because that
would have encapsulated all my love of everything about sports and do it.

798
00:52:19,987 --> 00:52:29,794
And so that's exactly kind of the weird point because when I turned my back on being a
forest ranger and wanting to make movies, I mean, if you look at my filmography, much of

799
00:52:29,794 --> 00:52:35,830
what I would have done as a ranger, like riding the rain, you like being out in the
winter.

800
00:52:35,830 --> 00:52:36,901
I've written stories.

801
00:52:36,901 --> 00:52:45,596
I mean, you look at Tarzan, look at Last of the Dog, and a movie I got to write and
direct, all about my love of the outdoors and Native American culture and things like

802
00:52:45,596 --> 00:52:46,257
that.

803
00:52:46,257 --> 00:52:54,792
So there's other ways to skin a cat when it comes to, I love this world, how can I be a
part of it?

804
00:52:54,904 --> 00:52:55,114
Right.

805
00:52:55,114 --> 00:52:55,814
Yeah.

806
00:52:55,814 --> 00:52:58,017
That's exactly how I felt too.

807
00:52:58,017 --> 00:53:07,885
I tried a lot of different avenues and then once I realized sports videography, is where,
what I'm really in, when I, I even had it went out of the lane.

808
00:53:07,885 --> 00:53:10,677
When I went to Gonzaga originally, I went to be a baseball coach.

809
00:53:10,677 --> 00:53:12,719
I was coaching baseball before that in Boston.

810
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,991
I was going to be a GA, all that stuff.

811
00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:19,164
And then I got back into video again and I'm like, no, this is, this is where I'm at.

812
00:53:19,164 --> 00:53:20,065
Like I'm good at it.

813
00:53:20,065 --> 00:53:21,176
I enjoy it.

814
00:53:21,176 --> 00:53:22,387
This is where I should be.

815
00:53:22,387 --> 00:53:24,280
And that's where I got my degree.

816
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:34,355
That's what I do now and I've been doing it since and I'm happy that even though I skid
off the path a little bit, I was able to ride back on top of it and continue doing it.

817
00:53:34,355 --> 00:53:36,628
So it really is a skill to know.

818
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:42,252
I mean, we're lucky because we get to go to work every day and do something we love and
we're passionate about.

819
00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:52,954
that's, I think that's, that, that, that overrides whatever the specific thing you think
is meant for you.

820
00:53:53,455 --> 00:54:04,598
because maybe, you know, maybe waking up, you know, you go down the path and you chase a
dream and maybe waking up every day and you're miserable and this sucks is an indication

821
00:54:04,598 --> 00:54:05,432
you might be.

822
00:54:05,432 --> 00:54:06,887
You're not in it.

823
00:54:07,299 --> 00:54:09,602
No, maybe.

824
00:54:10,306 --> 00:54:12,190
Because that's the thing.

825
00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:14,313
You gotta have fun in life.

826
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:17,831
Yeah, and you gotta have fun with what you're doing.

827
00:54:17,831 --> 00:54:21,432
I've talked to so many people when they're like, hate what I do for work.

828
00:54:21,432 --> 00:54:23,112
I'm like, well, do you find any joy in it?

829
00:54:23,112 --> 00:54:25,093
No, it's like, what are you doing?

830
00:54:25,093 --> 00:54:28,954
I get sometimes you just need a job in circumstances, right?

831
00:54:28,954 --> 00:54:30,754
Well, of course.

832
00:54:30,754 --> 00:54:35,996
But find the thing you're passionate about and even just start on your own.

833
00:54:35,996 --> 00:54:42,670
mean, whatever you have to do, you gotta find something you like, because this is what you
can do for the rest of your life.

834
00:54:42,670 --> 00:54:50,330
have a list of shitty jobs I did on my way to trying to figure out if I was gonna make it
in Hollywood or not.

835
00:54:50,650 --> 00:54:53,350
that just goes with the territory.

836
00:54:54,630 --> 00:55:01,290
And I understand having a shitty job at 35 is different than having a shitty job at 22
when you have a dream.

837
00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:03,190
So I understand that.

838
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:09,614
yeah, it's one of the worst, or one of the down,

839
00:55:09,614 --> 00:55:17,834
time, or worse that I felt like, and I never felt like I got to give this up and do
something else, but I ran out of money in LA.

840
00:55:17,994 --> 00:55:19,994
I had to drop out of USC.

841
00:55:19,994 --> 00:55:21,234
It was too expensive.

842
00:55:21,234 --> 00:55:30,134
was writing, trying to write a script, scripts and, and, and then my mom called one day
and said, why don't you just come home for a year?

843
00:55:30,134 --> 00:55:32,014
Your old job at Safeway.

844
00:55:32,014 --> 00:55:33,414
I talked to the manager.

845
00:55:33,414 --> 00:55:35,174
You can have it back.

846
00:55:35,378 --> 00:55:45,961
So I'm like, okay, I guess, you know, like, this is the worst thing to go back and go back
into my bedroom that I grew up in and work night crew at a Safeway with a bunch of lifers

847
00:55:45,961 --> 00:55:48,840
sitting around going, what do you want to do again?

848
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,942
Well, I want to make movies.

849
00:55:49,942 --> 00:55:51,703
Yeah, right, kids.

850
00:55:51,783 --> 00:55:52,193
Yeah.

851
00:55:52,193 --> 00:55:53,483
Like that.

852
00:55:53,483 --> 00:55:56,404
You got to just be able to get through the low points.

853
00:55:56,404 --> 00:56:03,156
sometimes, you know, I tell people sometimes you're the only one carrying the torch for
your dream for yourself.

854
00:56:03,182 --> 00:56:05,542
You know, a lot of people need a lot of support.

855
00:56:05,682 --> 00:56:12,482
People need to believe in me and I feel like they understand what I want.

856
00:56:12,482 --> 00:56:21,582
Sometimes it's a lonely road, You just carry that torch for yourself and you know, you're
just like, okay, I'm out here in the middle of fucking nowhere.

857
00:56:22,042 --> 00:56:30,702
No one's around to support me or to, I don't feel supported by anybody, but I'm still,
that's what I want and I gotta go forward and do it.

858
00:56:31,298 --> 00:56:42,055
And that's one of the things about people that find success or successful people is you
see the success, but you don't see getting to that success.

859
00:56:42,055 --> 00:56:44,536
You don't see what people have gone through most of the time.

860
00:56:44,536 --> 00:56:51,060
And that's why people sometimes can't get over that hump of like, you know, why can't this
happen to me?

861
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:53,481
It's like, well, this is what happens to everyone.

862
00:56:53,481 --> 00:56:55,072
Everyone goes broke.

863
00:56:55,072 --> 00:56:57,804
Everyone has to take that job at the safe way.

864
00:56:57,804 --> 00:56:59,758
Mine was a Home Depot.

865
00:56:59,758 --> 00:57:02,663
Everybody has to take that job at some point.

866
00:57:02,663 --> 00:57:06,940
And it's just kind of what you have to do to really get to the dream that you're trying to
get to.

867
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:09,170
So I think it is something that's great.

868
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:20,253
accurate in so many ways because you know I talked to lot of people I want to be a
screenwriter in Hollywood I want to write movies I said okay are you willing to move to LA

869
00:57:20,253 --> 00:57:32,286
well no I'm I live in okay well there you go right not that you have to move to LA but
it's a test all right what are you willing to do to get what you want it I'm willing to do

870
00:57:32,286 --> 00:57:37,934
anything I'm strip bear tell me where to go tell me what to do tell me what shitty job to
get

871
00:57:37,934 --> 00:57:39,074
I'm in.

872
00:57:40,496 --> 00:57:45,018
Very few people are that committed, you know what mean?

873
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:51,343
There are sort of little roadblocks in place that they can't get around or won't consider.

874
00:57:51,454 --> 00:57:54,405
I want this, but I won't consider doing this to get it.

875
00:57:54,405 --> 00:57:55,756
Well, yeah.

876
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,951
see those people all the time.

877
00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:59,162
I see those people all the time.

878
00:57:59,162 --> 00:58:00,212
really want to do this.

879
00:58:00,212 --> 00:58:01,533
Well, here's a contact.

880
00:58:01,533 --> 00:58:02,613
Have you reached out to them?

881
00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:03,894
Well, no, I haven't reached out to them.

882
00:58:03,894 --> 00:58:05,265
It's like, well, then you don't really want it.

883
00:58:05,265 --> 00:58:10,077
If I got a contact, they would have been contacted before it even reached my inbox.

884
00:58:10,617 --> 00:58:15,639
Are you willing to move to LA where everyone you're going to meet can help you?

885
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:16,020
no?

886
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:18,970
OK, well, then how big is that dream really?

887
00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:21,332
You got to buckle down.

888
00:58:21,356 --> 00:58:33,025
Well, and so to that point, you know, I came from a small town and this was part of what I
was like, okay, I knew what being a forest ranger would look like eventually because I

889
00:58:33,025 --> 00:58:39,079
loved them and I loved all, there was so much about the idea of it, the romanticized idea
of it that I loved.

890
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:45,645
But when it came to, okay, I'm gonna go pursue this because this is what I really, this
isn't what I really want.

891
00:58:45,705 --> 00:58:47,052
I didn't, I,

892
00:58:47,052 --> 00:58:48,533
I didn't know anybody in LA.

893
00:58:48,533 --> 00:58:55,228
I got on a plane at 19 and I flew south because I got accepted into USC film school.

894
00:58:55,448 --> 00:58:56,509
I didn't know anybody.

895
00:58:56,509 --> 00:58:58,470
I didn't have contacts here.

896
00:58:58,470 --> 00:59:00,752
didn't, nothing.

897
00:59:00,752 --> 00:59:05,416
And I never thought of it as like that that was a kind of special.

898
00:59:05,416 --> 00:59:09,459
That I tell that story to people and they're like, wow, know, wow, how did you do that?

899
00:59:09,459 --> 00:59:10,779
How did I do it?

900
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,741
I guess I was just naive.

901
00:59:12,741 --> 00:59:14,762
I guess I thought everybody.

902
00:59:14,936 --> 00:59:20,769
pursued their dreams just like the same, doing the same shit I'm doing, know, like go for
it, you know?

903
00:59:20,769 --> 00:59:26,753
So it never occurred to me that people sort of fall start or don't even, or have a dream
and don't pursue it.

904
00:59:26,753 --> 00:59:29,224
And I've thought about that a lot too.

905
00:59:29,224 --> 00:59:39,260
And I think some of it is I have to attribute to my parents because I'll never forget
calling them up at WSU saying, this isn't working out over here for me, you this forest

906
00:59:39,260 --> 00:59:40,380
ranger thing.

907
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:41,821
And well, what do you want to do?

908
00:59:41,821 --> 00:59:43,752
You know, they're both on the line.

909
00:59:44,398 --> 00:59:48,979
And I said, well, I think I want to go to Hollywood and make movies.

910
00:59:49,379 --> 00:59:51,520
Like dead silence.

911
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,921
I could have said, I want to go to Mars and start my own commune.

912
00:59:55,921 --> 00:59:59,632
know, like that's how foreign that idea was to them, right?

913
00:59:59,632 --> 01:00:01,183
Yeah.

914
01:00:01,183 --> 01:00:12,586
But to their credit, and I do credit my parents a lot for this because I think
well-meaning parents in a moment like that might try to talk their son or daughter out of

915
01:00:12,586 --> 01:00:14,040
that situation.

916
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,663
They might say, well, listen, why don't you finish what you started at WSU?

917
01:00:17,663 --> 01:00:29,884
And if you still feel strongly about that when you graduate and have a degree and have
security, then maybe you can, my parents were like, we don't know fuck all about what

918
01:00:30,265 --> 01:00:32,867
you're, anything to do with that.

919
01:00:33,488 --> 01:00:36,110
But if that's what you want, we'll support you.

920
01:00:37,011 --> 01:00:38,653
We're behind you.

921
01:00:38,653 --> 01:00:40,774
Follow that dream, go for it.

922
01:00:40,856 --> 01:00:50,810
So I've thought about that moment a lot because I hear, I know personally people that have
been talked out of following their dream by well-meaning parents because those parents are

923
01:00:50,810 --> 01:00:51,811
just scared for them.

924
01:00:51,811 --> 01:00:53,531
They're just afraid for them.

925
01:00:53,572 --> 01:00:54,732
You know what I mean?

926
01:00:54,732 --> 01:01:04,236
So I consider myself very lucky in that moment that I had parents that were like, I think
probably they're thinking, don't fucking come home, dude.

927
01:01:04,236 --> 01:01:06,077
Yeah, go, go to Hollywood.

928
01:01:06,077 --> 01:01:07,518
You're outta here.

929
01:01:09,048 --> 01:01:09,981
Trust me,

930
01:01:12,056 --> 01:01:24,046
great but they in that moment I really am grateful to them for like just like not trying
to talk me out of doing it you know what I mean so

931
01:01:24,046 --> 01:01:26,146
Yeah, I've lived in how many different states?

932
01:01:26,146 --> 01:01:29,486
I mean, I do sports video and social media and I run a podcast.

933
01:01:29,486 --> 01:01:31,026
I had the same thing.

934
01:01:31,026 --> 01:01:32,366
My parents were extremely supportive.

935
01:01:32,366 --> 01:01:41,606
Even when things were not working out, like in my mid twenties and they weren't working
for good amount, but still I would shoot a documentary, need a camera person.

936
01:01:41,606 --> 01:01:42,826
My mom drives up to Boston.

937
01:01:42,826 --> 01:01:44,546
Like they're super supportive and all that.

938
01:01:44,546 --> 01:01:47,726
And they're willing to help wherever it is.

939
01:01:47,726 --> 01:01:52,866
I do feel like we just, we didn't even get into the, we just got to the tip of the iceberg
and all this.

940
01:01:52,866 --> 01:01:53,726
It was a great chat.

941
01:01:53,726 --> 01:02:00,606
we're have to have you, yeah, we're gonna have to have you back on at some point to get
back into the weeds of things, but I do appreciate you taking time and coming out here

942
01:02:00,606 --> 01:02:02,126
talking a little bit about everything.

943
01:02:02,126 --> 01:02:02,798
No, no,

944
01:02:02,798 --> 01:02:08,907
And listen, I appreciate you, even though I'd forgotten that I'd met you, I appreciate
you.

945
01:02:08,907 --> 01:02:11,492
Okay, great.

946
01:02:11,492 --> 01:02:14,958
long as you remember at least a little bit next time, then we're all good.

947
01:02:14,958 --> 01:02:18,830
Now you're on the radar, you're on the map, pal.

948
01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:21,450
Almost 60 minutes, almost 60 minutes.

949
01:02:21,450 --> 01:02:22,530
I'm on the radar.

950
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:22,870
There you go.

951
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:24,250
Thank you so much for joining us.

952
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:26,210
want to thank Tad Murphy for joining us.

953
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:28,290
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961
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979
01:03:37,504 --> 01:03:39,065
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980
01:03:39,065 --> 01:03:40,506
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981
01:03:40,506 --> 01:03:45,742
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982
01:03:45,742 --> 01:03:47,742
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983
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984
01:03:55,922 --> 01:03:58,142
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985
01:03:58,142 --> 01:03:59,242
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986
01:03:59,242 --> 01:04:00,582
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987
01:04:00,582 --> 01:04:01,622
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988
01:04:01,622 --> 01:04:03,162
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989
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990
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