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Hi everybody, welcome back to Lowkey Deadly season two.
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That was a cop call.
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Bitch get your phone. It's
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season two, Vicki.
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Season Two and she already thinks that she has a writer. I need gummy worms on the table. Every time that I come.
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I was making sure my film was good.
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Oh my god, it has been an interesting day. We're recording this super late we normally record during the day and it is 930 Oh my god. Should we just do this tomorrow? Just kidding. I also managed to cut my bangs today, which I completely regret. I look like Shirley Temple. It's it's a moment but it's not my mo man. So okay, it's season two. Silvia, why don't you explain Everything that's going to be happening this season.
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All right, let me explain it all.
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Sylvia Sinclair explains it all. Yeah, what's the theme song? Nah man and Sylvie explains it.
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So on this season, we decided to rebrand a little bit. So if you take a look at our Instagram and Facebook and all of that you're going to see some changes, some nudes, some good changes and possibly some nudes.
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If you look hard enough,
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you'll find
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where you are also restructuring our stories and making them more fun and a little more detailed and interesting for you all.
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And also this season you're going to be getting two episodes a we
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We're also going to be posting shot videos or the drinks that we'll be drinking during the show. So
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where are we coming bartenders for you guys also this season it'll be
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a how to go to school over this last week.
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Yeah, I'm still finishing bartending school but you know, I'm learning with you guys.
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Maybe she might become a lawyer maybe I don't know.
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At least I go for it.
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I am proud of myself for
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what
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she really came from. I
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was not coming.
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I was just saying like you saw that you know, at least like
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so. Yeah, we have a lot of new things coming for you guys. This season. We wanted to spend some more time on our content and just give you a better overall experience. Kind of like, like a faint fine champagne.
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like drinking champagne on airplane.
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Your voice was hairy. crackly right there. It's scary.
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Okay, so Vicki, what are we drinking today? Today
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we're drinking Jaeger balm I hate black lashes. You hate what I hate black licorice but with Red Bull I'm okay with them.
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Yeah, it's here can be is I can't take it by itself has to be inside Red Bull.
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Yes
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again. So let's begin to take this shot get your drinks ready Come on everybody get your drinks. Hold it up. Oh,
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let's take our first shot first of season two.
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Oh my god. Honestly I talked to my lawyer did not recommend that I come back but I'm here as a friend to my lawyers.
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So I hope you guys are finished with this shot because Silvia is going to take all show to finish just one
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It's okay. We can wait
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two hours later.
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Oh, and by the way, I tried boba yesterday and it. It gave me feelings that I didn't know that I could feel in your mouth. If I like there was one
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there would literally work.
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Yeah.
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I love that and I was like I've been scared to try it but I've been wanting to try it. And I got honey do which the flavor was like good but it was too intense. And I also just wanted to try the honeydew first and I took a drink and like four balls shot in my mouth.
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I think you need to try something else maybe but I don't like tapioca. So the balls are out.
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Well, it didn't taste like anything. It was just the whole texture thing. They were Brown.
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But don't they have other ones because There's a place called like Sumo snow stuff like that, where they have like different flavored ones. They have mango, and pop in your mouth. They're so good. They pop in that pussy. No.
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I was gonna get them. Obviously they were gross.
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Of course, she said they were gross. She only wanted you to try but she she wanted.
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So coming back. I wanted to pick a really good story. And I didn't know what that was. So I there had there was a story that I wanted to do for a while. And there wasn't a ton of information on it. And I was like, because I want to make sure I can get all the details, but this story actually popped up in the media last week. Yes, I'm not gonna give away too much. But I'll give you the tip, bitch.
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Yes, I'm excited.
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Yes, Season Two, you're just gonna get the tip for now and then I don't know where's boom, thrust?
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I know you like it like that Vicki, but just kidding.
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then boom. Oh
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my god
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then boom bleeding. Oh, my God. Okay, so let's get started. So in the early hours of may 4 1996 17 year old Jessica back in left a party celebrating her birthday. So it was it was her birthday on May 3 and her sister threw a party for her. And it was supposed to be like just, you know with your friends hanging out Kiki was a blessing.
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So, um, okay, so it was Jessica's birthday. Her sister wanted to throw her birth Party get all her friends together and have a good time. This took place in Sitka Alaska. So it's a relatively small town. It's like about 8000 people just one of those towns where, you know, you can leave your door unlocked like me how I do it in Phoenix. You're ready to get your life. Yes. I'm ready to give it to you, honey. Yeah.
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So okay, it was just the small type of town where people are very comfortable kids running around playing sports. Oh, boy. Um, so the party didn't give me an exact time about when it ended, but the party ended and Jessica's parents, duck, Jessica's parents, George and Vicki, they had given her curfew, they were like be home by this time, which I imagine it would have been like 11 or 12, but they never get very specific on 11 or 12 hits and just isn't home. So logically. I feel like you're like as a parent, like, you're gonna get worried, but I think you're just like, okay, I'll give it a little bit of time to see like what happens. And that's what they did. So, a while longer goes by, and they start to just kind of panic because at this point like she should have been home. Now her sister's house was not very far I don't have a specific range, which I wish I did, but it was walking distance, probably not the closest but it's not like miles away. So her parents were just like, okay, maybe she had lost track of time, maybe, you know, she's just she just didn't want her birthday to end whatever it may be. I want to say that they would probably give it like an hour or so. I'm not 100 and I'm just saying that that's probably what I would do. She still isn't home. So at that point, her parents are just like, Okay, this is not right. Like she is responsible, like she should be home. We gave her time and she's not here. So at that point, they decided to call the police. So just Keep in mind that it's 1996 Okay, so this happened on May 4 1996.
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Where did they live? Again?
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Sitka? Alaska? Okay. Um, so in 1986 they're like cell cell phones were around but teenagers didn't have them. There was no social media. So there's no way to even get in
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everything was still kind of very, very new.
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Yeah, there's no way to gauge like whether she would have gone like this way or that way. You know, today's times, like we could just like we all share our location with each other and to make sure that we're okay, I
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tracked Sylvia all the time.
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I know you guys do running.
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So of course, like, I feel like parents back then are going to be so much more worried than parents now because they just don't have access to contact you. So they called the police and the police come out, they file their report, and they're like, this just is not right, like we need to find her. So somehow it doesn't say how But somehow, the parents figure out kind of where she was probably talking to friends that were at the party. Maybe people left at the same time, Which way did she go that type of thing. And they were able to put her at a bike path that ran through town. It was a very visible area, it was not like secluded in any way. But that's where they had last seen her or that's the direction that she was headed. So at this point, the parents are just like, okay, we need to find her police or like, we need to find her. So the search begins to get some sense of like, what had happened, like, where, what time was she here like just seeing if they could find any evidence or any clues as to where she might be. Her parents were not going to give up hold on to their daughter would be found alive. Of course, like, I think that you would have that feeling like something is just terribly wrong, but you're also going to tell yourself like, it's just like, maybe I'm overreacting. But at the same time, they didn't want to waste any time like they wanted her And how old was she again? She was 17. She had just turned 17
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Yeah, I mean, every parent worries especially but like, you know, if you have a kid that like literally does everything and is always they're very, very responsible. And then that one day, you're one day they're supposed to be home and they're not home. Yeah. And now you're like, freaking
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freaking out. Like you trust them because they haven't done anything wrong. Yeah, so you're kind of just like, caught and they just wanted to know, like, maybe she just is out celebrating somewhere like, there is
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a parent that was like you would panic Hell yeah. Would panic. Yeah.
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So she went missing at the party.
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After the after the party was over. Police and the parents, like I guess went to talk to people and they found out that after the party she had went towards her house because this backpack was in between her sister and her parents. It was the easiest way to get home. So,
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okay, I just got chills real quick. And last one So was this bike path? Like how far was it from her sister's house to her mom? Sure. Parents
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so I would say that it was more than maybe a couple of blocks but it wasn't gigantic. The town itself is very small.
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Okay, so walking distance Yeah, it was like a something they write like
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one a mile I would probably say
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scary.
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Yeah. So that night they were unable to find anything. And then officially like day one began on this search. So the police were telling themselves like if she was in this area, like we need to comb this area, we need to make sure that we go over every little piece of it. In day one yielded no results. There was no sign of her. And of course, like her parents are just gonna be like, okay, she's gotta be out there, you know, because until something is found, like you have to assume the best hope. Yeah, yeah, depot. So, on day two of the search the bag and family's life would change forever. With that being said it is time for a shot
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so again Come on guys grab your drinks, pepper Jakes Come on, you know it's weird my sister always says
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like bad things happen or like, yeah bad things happen to people on their like near or on their birthday yeah it was birthday yeah
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like the day it's either near around the birthdays or close to home so you ever hear like when people say like people get in accidents around the time like when they're like really close to getting home. It's like almost
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like when they say that you're more likely to get pulled over like less than a mile from your home or something like
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that people don't notice too that like when you know when you want to go home and you know, you're almost there. Yeah, you tend to act a little crazier. Yeah. Like in my neighborhood. There's always a cop, and I don't I don't think about it sometimes, but like the street will change will change from 5035 Five to 25. And the whole road before I had to turn is 25. Right? My butt is like, Oh, I'm almost home. And I'm going 50 and the moment I see the cop,
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but Well, you know what that day that my dad crushed not too long ago. It was a day after his birthday. Sure. The day after his birthday, he crashed and it was right down the street from our house. That's scary. Yeah.
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All right, season two. I hope everybody is enjoying the story and here is to us making money. One day, please donate.
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Alright, so I hope everybody got a chance to take their drinks. Let's get back to it. So, as I said their lives would be forever changed. So during the search on day two, the police recovered Jessica shirt and it was the shirt. She was wearing the night of the party. Yeah.
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So
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at that point, like, of course, you know, something has has gone wrong, you know, because there it's the shirt, you know,
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something it. I'm just thinking about the parents right now. Yeah. I'm just imagining like, because you never want to wish bad, right? You just want to find that person and make sure they're safe. So imagine being that parent, and you're like, you know what, we're going to find a Finder. And the thing you find is her shirt.
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Yeah.
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I automatically Your mind will go into a whirlwind of like possibilities. And it always ends up going negative rather than positive. I just can't imagine I can't imagine even just like,
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even the thought of that alone was just like, parallel. I can. So so they find the shirt. You know, they're, of course they're probably thinking the worst and then two hours later from there. The time that they found the shirt they found Jessica's body in two hours, two hours. So, you know, it's it's like such a horrible thing, because it's a 17 year old like on her birthday. Oh my god, and that's that just kind of hits it home and the body was found. Jessica's body was found a few blocks away from her house.
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Yeah, I was gonna say where was it found? Oh my god. Oh,
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like you just said that. It's more likely to happen like after a significant day or close to your home. That makes me so sad is scary.
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To be so sad.
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Yeah. So Jessica's body was recovered about 70 feet off of the bike path and it was buried under a log beneath the hollowed out tree. And this was this came from major Dave Hanson he's he's in Alaska, Alaska State Trooper and They were just kind of they were they were kind of shocked because this the bike path is visible and it's heavily used. So how could something like this happen in such like a public area, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Literally like they buried a body like
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Yeah, yeah, that time span that spot was across the street from the Department of Public Safety Training Academy. What?
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Well
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wait, this person? Whoever did it it's almost kind of like toying. Yeah. Because like, obviously if obviously you it's not almost like you want to get caught, but you want your work to be seen. Yeah. And the sick part is like she was so close to home. Oh, my God, that's that makes me like so mad.
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Yeah. So of course they they do an autopsy to find out like what happened like what happened to Jessica Jessica's cause of death was sexual assault, followed by a fixie ation from mud and leaves being forced down her throat.
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The person stuck leaves down her throat and that's while he was sexually assaulting
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her because she was screaming, you know, she was trying to get help. And I think that he was trying to quiet her down maybe? I don't know. And we'll find out a little bit further on. Oh my gosh. So, of course, police spent all of their time combing through the crime scene to see if they can find anything. They were able to collect some evidence there would be like pieces of clothing. There was some DNA through semen there was hair. So there was some things to go off of, but again in 1996 It's so unfortunate that this stuff has happened like so early on, because how'd it happen today? Like DNA is insane right now. Like there are ways to find people So with nothing solid they're kind of out of there like who did this like their mission now to find out who killed this poor girl this specific case like it shocked everybody like, Can you imagine being in a town where you're like yeah, I'm just gonna be my door unlocked and you know my kids like they're just out doing whatever they do
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kids birthday
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has ever happened like I'm gonna I'm gonna trust everything and then she always walks this my path yeah it's just a thought to like after like nodding your head you're thinking I know this person who did it because it's such a small town. Isn't that like
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so at that point like it just it shook everybody like people were not comfortable anymore. And of course, like you live in this, this world where nothing bad has happened and you're like, this is the safest place families grow up here. And then something like this happens that totally changes everything in a second. Yeah. So the case took a turn from where is Jessica to? Who's responsible for killing Jessica? Unfortunately. And so at that point police began their investigation. They collected the evidence they were taking tips and you know, trying to figure out if they can get some type of idea of somebody that was involved. So maybe somebody saw something. But there was no like direct witness to what could have happened. In the next few weeks, something would happen that would change the investigation dramatically. So police brought in a man there wasn't any details listed as to why he was even a suspect or even brought in for questioning. There's no there's nothing but there was a confession.
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So no one knows why this guy was brought in but the guide can besses
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yes on video. Let's take a shot oh my gosh you're gonna have
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to Nancy Drew the shit right now like no Oh hell no
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and this is where it gets difficult because like why was he brought it and you know and if it's they have not said a word on why he was brought in
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which I can understand why because you don't want people like to have information yeah of information and then but
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as soon as like you guys hear more you'll get why I was just like well What the fuck?
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Okay let's take a shot because I want to hear more
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I don't think anybody out there really knows how dependent me and Vicki were on redbone Oh shoot, we were like 20 answers a day and motherfucking night I
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went from 20 to 16 to district twelves and then after that I was like, You know what? It's not really helping me stay awake. But you know what I discovered was because obviously Cameron are going through diets by the way guys.
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We're on a weight loss journey. Let us know if you want us to document it.
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But what I learned as I swapped it for black coffee, and black coffee, straight black coffee, nothing to be honest, it kept me up all day.
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My thing is, is I don't drink Redbull for the energy. I love the taste of Red Bull
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rebels. That's why I
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like it. Okay,
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just drink sugar free. I'm like, I don't like sugar free bitch. I used to have to I have to I had to really pay attention to how many I would have like, I if I had 20 hours in the morning. I wouldn't drink anything. One
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time we went out to the club and he was like ordering a whole bunch of Red Bull boxes. And he came back he said, Guys, my heart did the same thing. We did. That's right. Despite don't order it
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the last time I went out and I drink all I drink was like Red Bull. Red Bull Jameson's.
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And I was Yes. If you guys have not have Red Bull that Jamison's drink them. They're amazing. Yeah.
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And come out with us and drink some of this. We're not doing that anymore. COVID
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But yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night and my heart was pounding really fast and I was like, I am like resting. My heart should Be like at a restaurant.
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I'm gonna die. Yeah.
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So I limit myself to like one.
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Speaking of let's take this shit. Here's a Red Bull may forever be on the shelves and maybe stop putting so much caffeine in it so I can drink it all the time. Richard bingum a 35 year old college janitor came forward and confessed to the crime on videotape.
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That is so fucking weird.
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So he confesses to the crime on videotape and they were like cable, we have our guy. Mm hmm. So the trial was set to start. The trial was set to start on May 23 of 1996. Richard was charged with first degree murder, sexual assault and tampering with evidence. I looked up the actual case on Alaska as their court website. So I looked at the dock and just to see like what what went on, it didn't give a lot of detail because it was an old case and I would have had to write and request a transcript and things like that, which, if I was able to decide that I was going to do this, I would have requested that transcript because I live for reading those. So okay, the trial begins, hmm. The prosecution is very sure that he did it based off of his confession, and they play the video confession. Okay. So during the video, confession, police were interviewing him and they were asking him tons of questions, but he wasn't able to get the details right. So the jury was watching this tape and you can clearly hear the police feeding him cute. Oh my
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god, that makes me so.
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Oh, yeah, sorry.
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No, no, no, it's it's annoying. So the police are asking him how he silenced her if this was happening in such like a very visible place. And he couldn't say what happened to her but police knew That she had dirt and leaves shoved in her mouth.
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So they kind of gave him clues and let me come down.
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So he wasn't able to accurately tell them what was going on. And the jury is kind of like sitting there like, Okay, this doesn't make sense because you can hear the police in the background kind of steering him towards what may have happened, like, what's that about? To top it off, it came to light that Richard was an alcoholic, and he suffered from frequent blackouts where he would lose time and not know what happened. And from the jurors perspective, it seemed like it was very easy to get this man to believe that he actually did the crime when he may have not Yeah. So
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that's bad.
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Yeah, that's really bad. To top it off. Remember, there was DNA at the crime scene? Well, at that point, they were able to test DNA. And they were comparing it to some databases and they compared it to Richards and the DNA did not match.
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Of course, they didn't.
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They presented data during trial there were like his DNA does not match during trial.
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So ultimately at the trial ever the evidence was presented. They played the video, which they thought was very solid evidence. The jury deliberated and ultimately they acquitted Richard, because of all of this information that came to light during the trial, right? Yeah. So at this point, everybody's kind of like, did we waste all of this time going after this one person when we shouldn't have gone after him in the beginning, the police should have known that he's not able to give the accurate description of what happened. They should have known that he suffered from blackouts. I mean, they did know that because they were able to present they can believe that he killed this girl. Um, so this the the trial ends the jury comes back with acquitted and despite efforts from police and the family, how Hiring private investigators. The case would sit cold for 24 years.
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24 years a long ass time. 1996 Mm hmm.
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2020
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this year
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on top of Corona Hmm, what's the core horn, the horn Harrell
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everything in the book,
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everything in the book now we have. Okay,
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so I'm sure you guys know with cold cases, those departments don't get a lot of funding. They're kind of just, I mean, I don't know how they're divided and who how somebody gets assigned to a cold case unit to work these types of files. But there are just up until recently, they have not been the top of the priority for a lot of police departments. So coming into like 2018 2019. There's a lot of stuff that's available to solve these cases. With. So a couple of episodes ago on the Arizona canal murders, we talked about genetic genealogy. And do you guys remember? Yes. So it's becoming a more popular technique to solve cold cases because they were so long ago. And people are more prevalent on 23andme and ancestry.com. Because they want to find out where they come from. Yeah. So for those of you who don't know genetic genealogy is a combination of genetic analysis with traditional historical and genealogical research to study family history. So for forensic investigators can be used to identify remains by tying DNA to a family member that has submitted like a 23andme or that is trying to build like a family tree. It connect that missing person to a family. It has a lot of uses and it can help find perpetrators. So major Dave Hansen of the Alaska State Trooper Said investigators use this technique in 2018 to take a look at Jessica's case. So it would take a bet from 2018 up until 2020 and they found a match. Tell ya
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crazy this year just
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2020 is the fucking asshole of every century. It really is.
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Is yes was falling out.
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It is the prologue.
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It is literally a story prolapse of 2020
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here is to 2020 100 my god. Are you guys ready?
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Yes, he is. Yeah.
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Okay, so your take a bit for police to find a suspect. But they were persistent and they tried different avenues to figure out what the fuck is happening. And eventually, in 2020, they had a match.
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To who.
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So, I would like to preface this. Remember when I said earlier in the episode that something popped up last week? Mm hmm. Last week, it's so crazy. So they had a match and it was 66 year old Steven Allen branch. He was a fire operator out of Austin, Arkansas.
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And he's 66 so that means that was like how many four years four years ago? 4444
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Yeah. 4444
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What 44 year old
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operator in Arkansas.
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So what the fuck Austin, Arkansas it's his last name and address So investigators were able to play Steven branch in Sitka Alaska at The time of Jessica's murder. Because in March of 1996 This is the Sitka Police Department investigated him for sexually assaulting another female teenager.
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Fuck, what was he doing?
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Steven was arrested and went to trial. So he, he came before a jury, honey, and he was acquitted.
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He was at the place though he was in he was
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in Sitka Alaska in March of 1996. And they knew that because they looked him up, and this case had gone to trial in March of 1996. So he was there. He had opportunity. And what they needed to establish was the motive like why did he do this? So with this investigate with it with this information coming to light investigators were on a plane to Arkansas. They were like fuck this shit. We are going to Arkansas today. So they met with and interviewed Steven. He denied anything. involvement and he refused to give any DNA. Of course, why would you refuse to give any DNA? Yeah, nothing to do exactly right.
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Yeah. Why?
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So at that point, investigators are like, okay, we're gonna have to take this to another level. We're gonna have to go get a court order or warrant whatever it may be to get this guy's DNA. 30 minutes later, the investigators received phone call.
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Steven branch had committed suicide by itself. It's like
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30 minutes later,
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after they are so fucked up. Yes.
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Oh. So
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please tell me they weren't
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kidding me. They did obtain a court order to get his DNA. The DNA did match So Alaska DPS Commissioner Amanda price, said last week that well branch will never face a jury of his peers, we can finally say that Jessica's case is solved. Even though from a legal perspective, he'll never go to trial. Hopefully, Jessica's family will get some sense of closure with what happened knowing that his DNA matched and that there would be no other reason for his DNA to be on her unless he killed her. Right. And it's sad that you're able to commit that type of crime and take a 17 year olds life but not be able to Oh, no. This of course was not the ending that I was expecting. A was not
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no I was not I was expecting like, they got him rushing him.
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So soon after they interviewed him, that is ridiculous.
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30 minutes.
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Yeah. I honestly think that he probably He got away with it. And then when the police showed up, he was just like fuck, he left we find a wife and children he's Yeah, he did
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well
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and it's crazy that you can have this in your conscience and still try and go on to lead a normal life
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you know what makes me even more pissed is the fact that if something was to happen to his kid like that he'd be pissed the fuck off but that is the exact thought that I had when I was reading but then the moment you but you go around doing that shit
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psychopaths like that they haven't
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you know, like
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no we have that ability Yeah, like just
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such as themselves disassociate from the bad thing to
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you have to be a sociopath to do that, but then be able to have to try and act like nothing happened. So yeah, this was not the ending that I was expecting at all. And you when I told you about the case, you were like, Oh my god, you've been wanting to do that one. And it's so crazy that there's just This happened last week.
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Yeah. Wait, so you're telling me last week he killed himself last week? Oh, my is weird. It's a weird goosebumps, like, Oh, I don't like it. Like we talked
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about stories that happen like years back and then like this literally just happened last week.
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And like I the last story we did was obviously,
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um Angela bras. Oh,
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yeah. So the last story we did was of the canal murder, but like, I was freaked out because it was in a span of how many A day later her body was found. Oh, yeah. And it's just like, Oh my God, that's creepy. You know, I mean, yours, but it happened around that same time.
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It's one of those things where like the past meets the present because like it happened so long ago, but you're, you're put in the mix because it's happening during the time that you're right here and,
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like even that story even freaks me out because it's around this time that they're still going to try with it. This one freaks me out even more Because it was literally last week on our break. And I'm sitting there going like, okay, we're gonna do stuff rebound. And then this happens.
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I was like, I was shocked that it even came up like this because I was like, fuck like, it's all here now. So maybe I honestly think that we are meant to tell stories the way that we tell them and it's meant to come up and I wanted to get it out there that this man although he may not be guilty in the court of law,
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there is circumstantial, yes. Enough circumstantial evidence to prove that
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he committed.
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Did they tell you what type of DNA was just so clear, they
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like what they recovered? they recovered semen. Okay, good.
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Yeah. There's no way there's I'm sorry. You're guilty Spach.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, it was it was a hard story to Right, because like, you want it to be so different. Like I mean, you know, her family has to deal with the fact that she's gone and add kind of insult to injury this, this guy can't
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be this Yeah.
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And give them the complete closure of what he did you know from from what he did. So it tells you a lot about a person and you know, people commit horrible acts every single day, and they stand trial for them and then they have to deal with their punishment for it but to cop out by killing yourself, not only did he deprive the family of getting their justice, but he totally kicked his wife and kids like, how horrible of a person are you to be able to do that?
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If you also think about it, too, like even his family is probably sitting there going like, why I had kids with this man Yeah. Now I know my kids are now linked linked to this man oh no
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like oh write books about being best friends with like some serial killers
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now and then but there's also a book about my parent was a serial killer yeah it's just the thought of being linked
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to that well even the the canal murders the guy that's standing trial he has a daughter and she was her world was flipped upside down. Oh my god Take him away. It's just it's horrible that people feel like they can kind of go out and just do whatever they want and take away a lot like life is so precious like into think that you're important enough or powerful enough to take that away from somebody is disgusting. Yes. But I hope that her parents George and Vicki and her sister Cory, feel some sense of closure and that they you know are left with good memories and that they're able to I move forward. Because Could you imagine 24 years later, like, we're just getting Well, not even that, but maybe you're just kind of accepting and moving forward, and then it gets brought back up. But I did find, you know, her obituary, and it said that she was a very loving person she enjoyed to cook and be outdoors. And she was actually supposed to come here to Arizona to go to college, for photography, and
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really, my gosh,
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but I just hope that it's sad. I know. But I just hope that her family has some closure, because ultimately, that's what anybody should want for them having to deal with something so horrible, like losing a child losing a sister, somebody that was so young, she just had her 17th birthday. So that was my story. It was a very intense story.
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Yeah, yes. I'm like crying over here, and I know too much
Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Hi everybody, welcome back to Lowkey Deadly season two.
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That was a cop call.
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Bitch get your phone. It's
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season two, Vicki.
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Season Two and she already thinks that she has a writer. I need gummy worms on the table. Every time that I come.
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I was making sure my film was good.
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Oh my god, it has been an interesting day. We're recording this super late we normally record during the day and it is 930 Oh my god. Should we just do this tomorrow? Just kidding. I also managed to cut my bangs today, which I completely regret. I look like Shirley Temple. It's it's a moment but it's not my mo man. So okay, it's season two. Silvia, why don't you explain Everything that's going to be happening this season.
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All right, let me explain it all.
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Sylvia Sinclair explains it all. Yeah, what's the theme song? Nah man and Sylvie explains it.
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So on this season, we decided to rebrand a little bit. So if you take a look at our Instagram and Facebook and all of that you're going to see some changes, some nudes, some good changes and possibly some nudes.
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If you look hard enough,
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you'll find
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where you are also restructuring our stories and making them more fun and a little more detailed and interesting for you all.
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And also this season you're going to be getting two episodes a we
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We're also going to be posting shot videos or the drinks that we'll be drinking during the show. So
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where are we coming bartenders for you guys also this season it'll be
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a how to go to school over this last week.
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Yeah, I'm still finishing bartending school but you know, I'm learning with you guys.
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Maybe she might become a lawyer maybe I don't know.
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At least I go for it.
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I am proud of myself for
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what
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she really came from. I
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was not coming.
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I was just saying like you saw that you know, at least like
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so. Yeah, we have a lot of new things coming for you guys. This season. We wanted to spend some more time on our content and just give you a better overall experience. Kind of like, like a faint fine champagne.
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like drinking champagne on airplane.
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Your voice was hairy. crackly right there. It's scary.
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Okay, so Vicki, what are we drinking today? Today
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we're drinking Jaeger balm I hate black lashes. You hate what I hate black licorice but with Red Bull I'm okay with them.
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Yeah, it's here can be is I can't take it by itself has to be inside Red Bull.
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Yes
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again. So let's begin to take this shot get your drinks ready Come on everybody get your drinks. Hold it up. Oh,
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let's take our first shot first of season two.
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Oh my god. Honestly I talked to my lawyer did not recommend that I come back but I'm here as a friend to my lawyers.
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So I hope you guys are finished with this shot because Silvia is going to take all show to finish just one
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It's okay. We can wait
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two hours later.
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Oh, and by the way, I tried boba yesterday and it. It gave me feelings that I didn't know that I could feel in your mouth. If I like there was one
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there would literally work.
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Yeah.
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I love that and I was like I've been scared to try it but I've been wanting to try it. And I got honey do which the flavor was like good but it was too intense. And I also just wanted to try the honeydew first and I took a drink and like four balls shot in my mouth.
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I think you need to try something else maybe but I don't like tapioca. So the balls are out.
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Well, it didn't taste like anything. It was just the whole texture thing. They were Brown.
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But don't they have other ones because There's a place called like Sumo snow stuff like that, where they have like different flavored ones. They have mango, and pop in your mouth. They're so good. They pop in that pussy. No.
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I was gonna get them. Obviously they were gross.
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Of course, she said they were gross. She only wanted you to try but she she wanted.
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So coming back. I wanted to pick a really good story. And I didn't know what that was. So I there had there was a story that I wanted to do for a while. And there wasn't a ton of information on it. And I was like, because I want to make sure I can get all the details, but this story actually popped up in the media last week. Yes, I'm not gonna give away too much. But I'll give you the tip, bitch.
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Yes, I'm excited.
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Yes, Season Two, you're just gonna get the tip for now and then I don't know where's boom, thrust?
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I know you like it like that Vicki, but just kidding.
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then boom. Oh
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my god
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then boom bleeding. Oh, my God. Okay, so let's get started. So in the early hours of may 4 1996 17 year old Jessica back in left a party celebrating her birthday. So it was it was her birthday on May 3 and her sister threw a party for her. And it was supposed to be like just, you know with your friends hanging out Kiki was a blessing.
6:56
So, um, okay, so it was Jessica's birthday. Her sister wanted to throw her birth Party get all her friends together and have a good time. This took place in Sitka Alaska. So it's a relatively small town. It's like about 8000 people just one of those towns where, you know, you can leave your door unlocked like me how I do it in Phoenix. You're ready to get your life. Yes. I'm ready to give it to you, honey. Yeah.
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So okay, it was just the small type of town where people are very comfortable kids running around playing sports. Oh, boy. Um, so the party didn't give me an exact time about when it ended, but the party ended and Jessica's parents, duck, Jessica's parents, George and Vicki, they had given her curfew, they were like be home by this time, which I imagine it would have been like 11 or 12, but they never get very specific on 11 or 12 hits and just isn't home. So logically. I feel like you're like as a parent, like, you're gonna get worried, but I think you're just like, okay, I'll give it a little bit of time to see like what happens. And that's what they did. So, a while longer goes by, and they start to just kind of panic because at this point like she should have been home. Now her sister's house was not very far I don't have a specific range, which I wish I did, but it was walking distance, probably not the closest but it's not like miles away. So her parents were just like, okay, maybe she had lost track of time, maybe, you know, she's just she just didn't want her birthday to end whatever it may be. I want to say that they would probably give it like an hour or so. I'm not 100 and I'm just saying that that's probably what I would do. She still isn't home. So at that point, her parents are just like, Okay, this is not right. Like she is responsible, like she should be home. We gave her time and she's not here. So at that point, they decided to call the police. So just Keep in mind that it's 1996 Okay, so this happened on May 4 1996.
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Where did they live? Again?
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Sitka? Alaska? Okay. Um, so in 1986 they're like cell cell phones were around but teenagers didn't have them. There was no social media. So there's no way to even get in
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everything was still kind of very, very new.
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Yeah, there's no way to gauge like whether she would have gone like this way or that way. You know, today's times, like we could just like we all share our location with each other and to make sure that we're okay, I
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tracked Sylvia all the time.
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I know you guys do running.
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So of course, like, I feel like parents back then are going to be so much more worried than parents now because they just don't have access to contact you. So they called the police and the police come out, they file their report, and they're like, this just is not right, like we need to find her. So somehow it doesn't say how But somehow, the parents figure out kind of where she was probably talking to friends that were at the party. Maybe people left at the same time, Which way did she go that type of thing. And they were able to put her at a bike path that ran through town. It was a very visible area, it was not like secluded in any way. But that's where they had last seen her or that's the direction that she was headed. So at this point, the parents are just like, okay, we need to find her police or like, we need to find her. So the search begins to get some sense of like, what had happened, like, where, what time was she here like just seeing if they could find any evidence or any clues as to where she might be. Her parents were not going to give up hold on to their daughter would be found alive. Of course, like, I think that you would have that feeling like something is just terribly wrong, but you're also going to tell yourself like, it's just like, maybe I'm overreacting. But at the same time, they didn't want to waste any time like they wanted her And how old was she again? She was 17. She had just turned 17
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Yeah, I mean, every parent worries especially but like, you know, if you have a kid that like literally does everything and is always they're very, very responsible. And then that one day, you're one day they're supposed to be home and they're not home. Yeah. And now you're like, freaking
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freaking out. Like you trust them because they haven't done anything wrong. Yeah, so you're kind of just like, caught and they just wanted to know, like, maybe she just is out celebrating somewhere like, there is
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a parent that was like you would panic Hell yeah. Would panic. Yeah.
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So she went missing at the party.
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After the after the party was over. Police and the parents, like I guess went to talk to people and they found out that after the party she had went towards her house because this backpack was in between her sister and her parents. It was the easiest way to get home. So,
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okay, I just got chills real quick. And last one So was this bike path? Like how far was it from her sister's house to her mom? Sure. Parents
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so I would say that it was more than maybe a couple of blocks but it wasn't gigantic. The town itself is very small.
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Okay, so walking distance Yeah, it was like a something they write like
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one a mile I would probably say
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scary.
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Yeah. So that night they were unable to find anything. And then officially like day one began on this search. So the police were telling themselves like if she was in this area, like we need to comb this area, we need to make sure that we go over every little piece of it. In day one yielded no results. There was no sign of her. And of course, like her parents are just gonna be like, okay, she's gotta be out there, you know, because until something is found, like you have to assume the best hope. Yeah, yeah, depot. So, on day two of the search the bag and family's life would change forever. With that being said it is time for a shot
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so again Come on guys grab your drinks, pepper Jakes Come on, you know it's weird my sister always says
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like bad things happen or like, yeah bad things happen to people on their like near or on their birthday yeah it was birthday yeah
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like the day it's either near around the birthdays or close to home so you ever hear like when people say like people get in accidents around the time like when they're like really close to getting home. It's like almost
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like when they say that you're more likely to get pulled over like less than a mile from your home or something like
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that people don't notice too that like when you know when you want to go home and you know, you're almost there. Yeah, you tend to act a little crazier. Yeah. Like in my neighborhood. There's always a cop, and I don't I don't think about it sometimes, but like the street will change will change from 5035 Five to 25. And the whole road before I had to turn is 25. Right? My butt is like, Oh, I'm almost home. And I'm going 50 and the moment I see the cop,
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but Well, you know what that day that my dad crushed not too long ago. It was a day after his birthday. Sure. The day after his birthday, he crashed and it was right down the street from our house. That's scary. Yeah.
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All right, season two. I hope everybody is enjoying the story and here is to us making money. One day, please donate.
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Alright, so I hope everybody got a chance to take their drinks. Let's get back to it. So, as I said their lives would be forever changed. So during the search on day two, the police recovered Jessica shirt and it was the shirt. She was wearing the night of the party. Yeah.
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So
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at that point, like, of course, you know, something has has gone wrong, you know, because there it's the shirt, you know,
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something it. I'm just thinking about the parents right now. Yeah. I'm just imagining like, because you never want to wish bad, right? You just want to find that person and make sure they're safe. So imagine being that parent, and you're like, you know what, we're going to find a Finder. And the thing you find is her shirt.
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Yeah.
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I automatically Your mind will go into a whirlwind of like possibilities. And it always ends up going negative rather than positive. I just can't imagine I can't imagine even just like,
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even the thought of that alone was just like, parallel. I can. So so they find the shirt. You know, they're, of course they're probably thinking the worst and then two hours later from there. The time that they found the shirt they found Jessica's body in two hours, two hours. So, you know, it's it's like such a horrible thing, because it's a 17 year old like on her birthday. Oh my god, and that's that just kind of hits it home and the body was found. Jessica's body was found a few blocks away from her house.
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Yeah, I was gonna say where was it found? Oh my god. Oh,
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like you just said that. It's more likely to happen like after a significant day or close to your home. That makes me so sad is scary.
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To be so sad.
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Yeah. So Jessica's body was recovered about 70 feet off of the bike path and it was buried under a log beneath the hollowed out tree. And this was this came from major Dave Hanson he's he's in Alaska, Alaska State Trooper and They were just kind of they were they were kind of shocked because this the bike path is visible and it's heavily used. So how could something like this happen in such like a public area, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Literally like they buried a body like
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Yeah, yeah, that time span that spot was across the street from the Department of Public Safety Training Academy. What?
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Well
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wait, this person? Whoever did it it's almost kind of like toying. Yeah. Because like, obviously if obviously you it's not almost like you want to get caught, but you want your work to be seen. Yeah. And the sick part is like she was so close to home. Oh, my God, that's that makes me like so mad.
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Yeah. So of course they they do an autopsy to find out like what happened like what happened to Jessica Jessica's cause of death was sexual assault, followed by a fixie ation from mud and leaves being forced down her throat.
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The person stuck leaves down her throat and that's while he was sexually assaulting
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her because she was screaming, you know, she was trying to get help. And I think that he was trying to quiet her down maybe? I don't know. And we'll find out a little bit further on. Oh my gosh. So, of course, police spent all of their time combing through the crime scene to see if they can find anything. They were able to collect some evidence there would be like pieces of clothing. There was some DNA through semen there was hair. So there was some things to go off of, but again in 1996 It's so unfortunate that this stuff has happened like so early on, because how'd it happen today? Like DNA is insane right now. Like there are ways to find people So with nothing solid they're kind of out of there like who did this like their mission now to find out who killed this poor girl this specific case like it shocked everybody like, Can you imagine being in a town where you're like yeah, I'm just gonna be my door unlocked and you know my kids like they're just out doing whatever they do
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kids birthday
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has ever happened like I'm gonna I'm gonna trust everything and then she always walks this my path yeah it's just a thought to like after like nodding your head you're thinking I know this person who did it because it's such a small town. Isn't that like
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so at that point like it just it shook everybody like people were not comfortable anymore. And of course, like you live in this, this world where nothing bad has happened and you're like, this is the safest place families grow up here. And then something like this happens that totally changes everything in a second. Yeah. So the case took a turn from where is Jessica to? Who's responsible for killing Jessica? Unfortunately. And so at that point police began their investigation. They collected the evidence they were taking tips and you know, trying to figure out if they can get some type of idea of somebody that was involved. So maybe somebody saw something. But there was no like direct witness to what could have happened. In the next few weeks, something would happen that would change the investigation dramatically. So police brought in a man there wasn't any details listed as to why he was even a suspect or even brought in for questioning. There's no there's nothing but there was a confession.
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So no one knows why this guy was brought in but the guide can besses
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yes on video. Let's take a shot oh my gosh you're gonna have
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to Nancy Drew the shit right now like no Oh hell no
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and this is where it gets difficult because like why was he brought it and you know and if it's they have not said a word on why he was brought in
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which I can understand why because you don't want people like to have information yeah of information and then but
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as soon as like you guys hear more you'll get why I was just like well What the fuck?
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Okay let's take a shot because I want to hear more
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I don't think anybody out there really knows how dependent me and Vicki were on redbone Oh shoot, we were like 20 answers a day and motherfucking night I
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went from 20 to 16 to district twelves and then after that I was like, You know what? It's not really helping me stay awake. But you know what I discovered was because obviously Cameron are going through diets by the way guys.
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We're on a weight loss journey. Let us know if you want us to document it.
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But what I learned as I swapped it for black coffee, and black coffee, straight black coffee, nothing to be honest, it kept me up all day.
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My thing is, is I don't drink Redbull for the energy. I love the taste of Red Bull
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rebels. That's why I
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like it. Okay,
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just drink sugar free. I'm like, I don't like sugar free bitch. I used to have to I have to I had to really pay attention to how many I would have like, I if I had 20 hours in the morning. I wouldn't drink anything. One
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time we went out to the club and he was like ordering a whole bunch of Red Bull boxes. And he came back he said, Guys, my heart did the same thing. We did. That's right. Despite don't order it
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the last time I went out and I drink all I drink was like Red Bull. Red Bull Jameson's.
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And I was Yes. If you guys have not have Red Bull that Jamison's drink them. They're amazing. Yeah.
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And come out with us and drink some of this. We're not doing that anymore. COVID
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But yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night and my heart was pounding really fast and I was like, I am like resting. My heart should Be like at a restaurant.
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I'm gonna die. Yeah.
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So I limit myself to like one.
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Speaking of let's take this shit. Here's a Red Bull may forever be on the shelves and maybe stop putting so much caffeine in it so I can drink it all the time. Richard bingum a 35 year old college janitor came forward and confessed to the crime on videotape.
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That is so fucking weird.
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So he confesses to the crime on videotape and they were like cable, we have our guy. Mm hmm. So the trial was set to start. The trial was set to start on May 23 of 1996. Richard was charged with first degree murder, sexual assault and tampering with evidence. I looked up the actual case on Alaska as their court website. So I looked at the dock and just to see like what what went on, it didn't give a lot of detail because it was an old case and I would have had to write and request a transcript and things like that, which, if I was able to decide that I was going to do this, I would have requested that transcript because I live for reading those. So okay, the trial begins, hmm. The prosecution is very sure that he did it based off of his confession, and they play the video confession. Okay. So during the video, confession, police were interviewing him and they were asking him tons of questions, but he wasn't able to get the details right. So the jury was watching this tape and you can clearly hear the police feeding him cute. Oh my
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god, that makes me so.
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Oh, yeah, sorry.
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No, no, no, it's it's annoying. So the police are asking him how he silenced her if this was happening in such like a very visible place. And he couldn't say what happened to her but police knew That she had dirt and leaves shoved in her mouth.
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So they kind of gave him clues and let me come down.
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So he wasn't able to accurately tell them what was going on. And the jury is kind of like sitting there like, Okay, this doesn't make sense because you can hear the police in the background kind of steering him towards what may have happened, like, what's that about? To top it off, it came to light that Richard was an alcoholic, and he suffered from frequent blackouts where he would lose time and not know what happened. And from the jurors perspective, it seemed like it was very easy to get this man to believe that he actually did the crime when he may have not Yeah. So
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that's bad.
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Yeah, that's really bad. To top it off. Remember, there was DNA at the crime scene? Well, at that point, they were able to test DNA. And they were comparing it to some databases and they compared it to Richards and the DNA did not match.
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Of course, they didn't.
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They presented data during trial there were like his DNA does not match during trial.
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So ultimately at the trial ever the evidence was presented. They played the video, which they thought was very solid evidence. The jury deliberated and ultimately they acquitted Richard, because of all of this information that came to light during the trial, right? Yeah. So at this point, everybody's kind of like, did we waste all of this time going after this one person when we shouldn't have gone after him in the beginning, the police should have known that he's not able to give the accurate description of what happened. They should have known that he suffered from blackouts. I mean, they did know that because they were able to present they can believe that he killed this girl. Um, so this the the trial ends the jury comes back with acquitted and despite efforts from police and the family, how Hiring private investigators. The case would sit cold for 24 years.
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24 years a long ass time. 1996 Mm hmm.
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2020
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this year
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on top of Corona Hmm, what's the core horn, the horn Harrell
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everything in the book,
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everything in the book now we have. Okay,
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so I'm sure you guys know with cold cases, those departments don't get a lot of funding. They're kind of just, I mean, I don't know how they're divided and who how somebody gets assigned to a cold case unit to work these types of files. But there are just up until recently, they have not been the top of the priority for a lot of police departments. So coming into like 2018 2019. There's a lot of stuff that's available to solve these cases. With. So a couple of episodes ago on the Arizona canal murders, we talked about genetic genealogy. And do you guys remember? Yes. So it's becoming a more popular technique to solve cold cases because they were so long ago. And people are more prevalent on 23andme and ancestry.com. Because they want to find out where they come from. Yeah. So for those of you who don't know genetic genealogy is a combination of genetic analysis with traditional historical and genealogical research to study family history. So for forensic investigators can be used to identify remains by tying DNA to a family member that has submitted like a 23andme or that is trying to build like a family tree. It connect that missing person to a family. It has a lot of uses and it can help find perpetrators. So major Dave Hansen of the Alaska State Trooper Said investigators use this technique in 2018 to take a look at Jessica's case. So it would take a bet from 2018 up until 2020 and they found a match. Tell ya
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crazy this year just
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2020 is the fucking asshole of every century. It really is.
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Is yes was falling out.
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It is the prologue.
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It is literally a story prolapse of 2020
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here is to 2020 100 my god. Are you guys ready?
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Yes, he is. Yeah.
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Okay, so your take a bit for police to find a suspect. But they were persistent and they tried different avenues to figure out what the fuck is happening. And eventually, in 2020, they had a match.
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To who.
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So, I would like to preface this. Remember when I said earlier in the episode that something popped up last week? Mm hmm. Last week, it's so crazy. So they had a match and it was 66 year old Steven Allen branch. He was a fire operator out of Austin, Arkansas.
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And he's 66 so that means that was like how many four years four years ago? 4444
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Yeah. 4444
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What 44 year old
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operator in Arkansas.
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So what the fuck Austin, Arkansas it's his last name and address So investigators were able to play Steven branch in Sitka Alaska at The time of Jessica's murder. Because in March of 1996 This is the Sitka Police Department investigated him for sexually assaulting another female teenager.
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Fuck, what was he doing?
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Steven was arrested and went to trial. So he, he came before a jury, honey, and he was acquitted.
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He was at the place though he was in he was
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in Sitka Alaska in March of 1996. And they knew that because they looked him up, and this case had gone to trial in March of 1996. So he was there. He had opportunity. And what they needed to establish was the motive like why did he do this? So with this investigate with it with this information coming to light investigators were on a plane to Arkansas. They were like fuck this shit. We are going to Arkansas today. So they met with and interviewed Steven. He denied anything. involvement and he refused to give any DNA. Of course, why would you refuse to give any DNA? Yeah, nothing to do exactly right.
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Yeah. Why?
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So at that point, investigators are like, okay, we're gonna have to take this to another level. We're gonna have to go get a court order or warrant whatever it may be to get this guy's DNA. 30 minutes later, the investigators received phone call.
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Steven branch had committed suicide by itself. It's like
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30 minutes later,
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after they are so fucked up. Yes.
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Oh. So
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please tell me they weren't
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kidding me. They did obtain a court order to get his DNA. The DNA did match So Alaska DPS Commissioner Amanda price, said last week that well branch will never face a jury of his peers, we can finally say that Jessica's case is solved. Even though from a legal perspective, he'll never go to trial. Hopefully, Jessica's family will get some sense of closure with what happened knowing that his DNA matched and that there would be no other reason for his DNA to be on her unless he killed her. Right. And it's sad that you're able to commit that type of crime and take a 17 year olds life but not be able to Oh, no. This of course was not the ending that I was expecting. A was not
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no I was not I was expecting like, they got him rushing him.
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So soon after they interviewed him, that is ridiculous.
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30 minutes.
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Yeah. I honestly think that he probably He got away with it. And then when the police showed up, he was just like fuck, he left we find a wife and children he's Yeah, he did
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well
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and it's crazy that you can have this in your conscience and still try and go on to lead a normal life
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you know what makes me even more pissed is the fact that if something was to happen to his kid like that he'd be pissed the fuck off but that is the exact thought that I had when I was reading but then the moment you but you go around doing that shit
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psychopaths like that they haven't
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you know, like
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no we have that ability Yeah, like just
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such as themselves disassociate from the bad thing to
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you have to be a sociopath to do that, but then be able to have to try and act like nothing happened. So yeah, this was not the ending that I was expecting at all. And you when I told you about the case, you were like, Oh my god, you've been wanting to do that one. And it's so crazy that there's just This happened last week.
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Yeah. Wait, so you're telling me last week he killed himself last week? Oh, my is weird. It's a weird goosebumps, like, Oh, I don't like it. Like we talked
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about stories that happen like years back and then like this literally just happened last week.
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And like I the last story we did was obviously,
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um Angela bras. Oh,
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yeah. So the last story we did was of the canal murder, but like, I was freaked out because it was in a span of how many A day later her body was found. Oh, yeah. And it's just like, Oh my God, that's creepy. You know, I mean, yours, but it happened around that same time.
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It's one of those things where like the past meets the present because like it happened so long ago, but you're, you're put in the mix because it's happening during the time that you're right here and,
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like even that story even freaks me out because it's around this time that they're still going to try with it. This one freaks me out even more Because it was literally last week on our break. And I'm sitting there going like, okay, we're gonna do stuff rebound. And then this happens.
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I was like, I was shocked that it even came up like this because I was like, fuck like, it's all here now. So maybe I honestly think that we are meant to tell stories the way that we tell them and it's meant to come up and I wanted to get it out there that this man although he may not be guilty in the court of law,
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there is circumstantial, yes. Enough circumstantial evidence to prove that
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he committed.
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Did they tell you what type of DNA was just so clear, they
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like what they recovered? they recovered semen. Okay, good.
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Yeah. There's no way there's I'm sorry. You're guilty Spach.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, it was it was a hard story to Right, because like, you want it to be so different. Like I mean, you know, her family has to deal with the fact that she's gone and add kind of insult to injury this, this guy can't
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be this Yeah.
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And give them the complete closure of what he did you know from from what he did. So it tells you a lot about a person and you know, people commit horrible acts every single day, and they stand trial for them and then they have to deal with their punishment for it but to cop out by killing yourself, not only did he deprive the family of getting their justice, but he totally kicked his wife and kids like, how horrible of a person are you to be able to do that?
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If you also think about it, too, like even his family is probably sitting there going like, why I had kids with this man Yeah. Now I know my kids are now linked linked to this man oh no
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like oh write books about being best friends with like some serial killers
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now and then but there's also a book about my parent was a serial killer yeah it's just the thought of being linked
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to that well even the the canal murders the guy that's standing trial he has a daughter and she was her world was flipped upside down. Oh my god Take him away. It's just it's horrible that people feel like they can kind of go out and just do whatever they want and take away a lot like life is so precious like into think that you're important enough or powerful enough to take that away from somebody is disgusting. Yes. But I hope that her parents George and Vicki and her sister Cory, feel some sense of closure and that they you know are left with good memories and that they're able to I move forward. Because Could you imagine 24 years later, like, we're just getting Well, not even that, but maybe you're just kind of accepting and moving forward, and then it gets brought back up. But I did find, you know, her obituary, and it said that she was a very loving person she enjoyed to cook and be outdoors. And she was actually supposed to come here to Arizona to go to college, for photography, and
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really, my gosh,
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but I just hope that it's sad. I know. But I just hope that her family has some closure, because ultimately, that's what anybody should want for them having to deal with something so horrible, like losing a child losing a sister, somebody that was so young, she just had her 17th birthday. So that was my story. It was a very intense story.
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Yeah, yes. I'm like crying over here, and I know too much
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