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Welcome to Longevity. I'm your host, Natalie Nidom. I'm a nutritionist, a human potential
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and epigenetic coach, and I created this podcast to bring you the latest ways to take control
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of your health and longevity. We cover it all from new technology and ancestral health
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practices, to personalize interventions, and a very special interest of mine, peptides
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and bioregulators. Enjoy the show. Welcome back to the show, folks. My name is Natalie
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Nidom, and I am your host. Before I launch into the intro for the episode, I have a very
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quick personal favorite to ask you. As of the recording of this podcast and introduction,
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my Instagram account seems to have vaporized. So if you're listening to this and you've
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gone looking for me on Instagram under my name at Natalie Nidom, and I'm not there,
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then do me a big fat favor. Look for me at Longevity with that. And if you find that
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page, please do join and follow because I share lots of great information there as well.
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So that's it. That's the big favor. Let's get into the episode. Today I am joined by Dr.
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Taz Batia, integrative medicine physician, entrepreneur, and a leading voice in women's
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health and longevity. She's here representing countdown, an organization that I've recently
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become very involved with that is doing such exciting work. They are helping to accelerate
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mitochondrial research and bringing new attention to one of the most overlooked foundations
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of human health, cellular energy. We're talking about why this science matters now, especially
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for women's health, aging, and the future of medicine. Now to find out more about countdown,
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you can go to joincountdown.org. And we'll have lots of other information about how you
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can find Dr. Taz in the show notes. So next up, we'll thank two sponsors who make this
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show possible. And then we get to dive in. I take my sleep pretty seriously. It's basically
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my favorite Longevity tool. But even with the solid routine, cool room, no light caffeine,
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blue light blockers, the whole nine yards, there's still nights when travel stress or a
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If you've been a regular listener of this podcast for the past few years, you're already
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in the know. But if you're one of our newer listeners, you may have noticed something.
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Bioregulators, a little bit new out on the market and they are growing in leaps and bounds
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in popularity. And here's why. Think of bioregulators as drivers of cellular renewal in your
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body at a tissue, organ and system level. As we go through life, DNA gets damaged so
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our signals at a genetic level starts to fade. The bioregulator peptides actually can get
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to that DNA and either repair the signals or essentially give the DNA instruction to
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start production of proteins that maybe it wasn't producing as much of as used to when
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you were younger. And so we get that upregulated cellular renewal. They do this quietly, subtly
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and in the background. The renewal starts happening in ways that only your body knows
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how to execute paired with lifestyle and nutrition. These timing molecules can make all the
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difference in how we age. Now here's my approach at this time of year. As days get longer
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from nature's marvels. I'll do the pineal gland for circadian rhythm refresh, the thymus
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gland for immune reboot and blood vessel bioregulator to help to clean up the highways
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to and from the cells. This is a beautiful stack to repeat once or twice a year. Now
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you can find nature's marvels bioregulators at profoundhealth.com and use code net1515
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for 15% off your order. Dr. Taz, welcome to the show. It is a complete honor and privilege
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to have you here today. Thank you for taking the time. Oh, I'm thrilled to be here.
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We're going to just jump right in because people who listen to this podcast know that
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me and an hour don't get along very well. We often go much longer with our episodes.
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And so we're going to keep this tight. And I'm saying that to me, not you. So let's definitely
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get people oriented with you. So you've really built your career, what we would call the
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intersection of conventional medicine and what many people once would have dismissed
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as alternative medicine. And I think now we're moving more into this space, particularly
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with medical doctors of this functional model that is that is a different approach. What
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did you see early on that made you really think that the current system just was missing
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something fundamental? You know, I think a lot of it started with just my own personal
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journey with our current system, you know, as a conventionally trained MD when I started
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to have issues, it couldn't serve me well. And it sent me sort of on this journey of
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searching and looking for answers in different places and just, you know, kind of desperate
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for help. And so I always say I accidentally stumbled on all these different areas of medicine,
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nutrition, which at the time was a foreign concept, you know, looking at Chinese medicine
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and acupuncture and herbal medicine and what that means for us looking at Ayurveda, you
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know, all of these different modalities of medicine that have been thousands and thousands
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of years old, right? Western medicine is only about 30 to 50 years old. And just realizing
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that they had a different way of thinking about the body, you know, regardless of how we
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wanted to bait their therapies, they just thought about the human body in a very different
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way. And that in itself was just so eye opening. And as you start to pursue this stuff and
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you start to learn things, you know, you start to dig and dig and dig. You know, I found
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answers that worked for me, but more importantly, it makes you question a lot of which you've
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already learned and try, you know, try really hard to put conventional medicine into its
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proper context when we think about the body as a whole. So it really started this journey
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of being like, there's a better way to do things. We're not serving people well. You
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know, there's so many answers beyond the prescription, beyond the procedure, you know, so, so where
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and especially as an MD, you know, it's like, where does all of that fit in the medical
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model? So that's really driven me over the last, you know, it's been probably 17, 18
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years, almost 20 years in the space, you know, 16, 17 years of running our clinics. So
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it's really driven sort of what we do and what we continue to evolve and how we grow.
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Yeah, that's so fascinating. I remember when I was back in the day when I was a much younger
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person, you know, one of my dreams as a kid was going to med school, which, you know,
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sideline-friendly number of reasons. And I'd always said, I want both. I want med school
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and I want the older medicines like the Ayurveda, like what you just, I mean, these guys
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have been at it for 5,000 years. Like thousands of years. And so it is so arrogant and not
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serving people to dismiss. And you know what's interesting is that I think that conventional
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medicine does a really good job at emergency medicine. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I was
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having this conversation with the journalist, actually yesterday talking about how the conventional
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medicine model, and I don't know that I don't think there was any malice in it. But I think
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what it's evolved into is keeping people alive, but not really and not having the luxury
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of time and training to really go much beyond that for most doctors.
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Yeah, very much. It's ironic too, because like as medicine continues to maybe be a little
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bit more open in terms of, okay, we're going to start to bring in some of these things.
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The food is medicine movement has been huge, right? Like, you know, we now have functional
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medicine. All of these things were not a thing, you know, when I first came on the scene.
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And all of that is really exciting. But that what you just said, like the luxury of time,
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allowing time with the provider, whatever type of provider is still something that unless
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you go outside of the model, you can't get, you know, because the models are set up for
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quick, quick turnaround. And, you know, over, you know, again, remember, it's about 20 years
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in the space. So I've sat on a lot of committee meetings and like, you know, company meetings,
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all these other things. And they want to talk about everything, but they don't want to
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talk about returning time back to the doctor patient relationship. They don't want to talk
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about that, you know. And so I think that is the biggest disservice because unfortunately,
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what happens, you know, if you don't find that sweet spot in terms of spending time with
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people, you can't get the full picture, you know, and there's so many things that happen
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in the exam room or in a clinical encounter where it's like, oh, wait, I forgot to tell
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you this or oh, by the way, or, you know, like you're digging because people always come
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in with a mask, right? Everybody comes in kind of like kind of buttoned up with what they're
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prepared to say, but really underneath that is where the answers are. And you can't get
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there as a clinician, you know, unless you have time. That's so powerful, right? The, the
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luxury of time. And I remember speaking with a physician, actually, I don't even think
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she was a physician. She ran a clinic in South Florida that deals with very chronic complex
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illness. And she said to me, her intake was an hour and a half to two hours. Yeah. Or
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their clinic. And she said very often when they got stuck on a case, if they went, when
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they went back, they would often find the answer in that monstrous intake. Or they would
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find a hint that would get them to ask enough because she said, you know, the patient always
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knows. They don't know that they know. Right. But they always have the answer somewhere
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in there. Anyway, that's it. And I think in many ways, also, if we go back a couple of
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generations and doctors before the systems became so, and I'm putting up my hands and
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quotation marks efficient, the old-style doctor would sit and talk with their patients.
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They would get to know the patient. And it was kind of like this blend of medicine with
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symptomatology to really get a full picture of what was going on. Very much. They were
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very integrated too into the family unit. You know, they were part of part of your family
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doctor, right? That old-school family doctor was a thing. And if you go back even further,
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you know, was the old-school family doctor in a village was often very close to being the
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same person as the priest or the village elder or some of these people that, you know,
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you went to and it was not just about an ailment. Yeah. It was kind of about this overall
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picture of what was going on with you. 100%. All right. Well, we're going to have to stop
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memory lane now and get back. Yes, definitely. Come into the present. Come into the present.
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There were nice things then, but, you know, we've come a long way. So, and let's just jump
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right into the cell and talk about mitochondria. Okay. Shall we? Yes. Let's do it. So, why do you
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believe that cellular energy may be one of the most important conversations in modern
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health that needs to be had right now? Well, I think it's under attack. I think like, you know,
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when we think about the cells, it's not a term that's getting a lot of press or play,
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but it is probably a term when we think about cellular health that needs more attention than ever
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before. I think between, you know, light, right, when we sit here under blue light and under
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different lights and we're spending a lot of time on our phones and our screens, the load of
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environmental toxins that we are exposed to today, which is very different from the past,
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our food quality, our stress levels. You know, there's so many different things. I feel like
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the cells are under attack. You know, they are expected to perform at a level that they may not
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be equipped to perform at. And each of those things I just mentioned, like each of those categories,
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they impact the cell in different ways. But what it's essentially doing is that we're having a rapid
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sort of a much more rapid decline in cell health, which means cells don't live as long as they
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used to in the capacity that they once did. So we're seeing a lot of degeneration. And the way
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that looks on the outside, right, this is all happening internally, it's all happening quietly,
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nobody's really aware of it. You're not sitting around thinking about your cell health on any given
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moment. But what it looks like externally is a gradual kind of crescendo in symptoms at younger
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and younger and younger ages. So for example, weight gain in children, right, the obesity,
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crisis, and kids, we are seeing like an energy crisis across the board, people complaining that
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they have brain fog or that they're tired or that they're weak. I would say the epidemic of
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inflammation that's shifting downward, the rise in autoimmune disease. And of course,
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it's kind of the downward skewing of cancer diagnoses, you know, which is now becoming more
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prevalent in your 20s and 30s is no longer a disease of your 50s and 60s and things like that,
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so all of those, those sort of diseases and symptoms, right, and we can kind of pepper through
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all the symptoms, but all of those at the end of the day are rooted to the health of the cell.
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So the cell is needing support, but not really getting the attention, you know, that it deserves.
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And it's not being measured. I think that's the other issue, like we'll measure a lot of different
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things in the exam room, but we're not necessarily screening for and measuring cellular health.
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And I think the next frontier of medicine is really where we literally, you know,
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sort of evaluate a person at any age, right, even a baby and try to understand where they are
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from a cellular standpoint and then work to build them in a preventive way, so we're not dealing
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with these diseases and conditions down the road. Yeah, that's what you said about babies is so powerful
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because, you know, we want to believe, and maybe there was a time when a baby would be born
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and be like the perfect organism, right? They didn't have the burden of toxins and whatnot.
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And what we've learned is the baby is born inheriting, having lived in the environment of
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its mother who is probably doing the best she can, but everything that she's exposed to,
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that baby is exposed to. And as you've just so eloquently said, the burden of that of those
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toxins and those those challenges has increased so much. I don't know that anybody has really can
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really mitigate them efficiently unless they're really focused on it. And that remains a privilege
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really of people who have access to functional medicine or live on a mountain top somewhere.
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Definitely. And even people who have access, I think, I don't know if they're thinking about
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cellular health, right? I still feel like it's an afterthought. I mean, I feel like we know the
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words inflammation now. We might know the word detox. You might know the word hormone or hormone
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balance and maybe even cortisol. You might know those words, but like getting down to the level
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of a cell I think is a little bit of a different story. Yeah. And a lot of those terms get co-opted,
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right? I mean, especially if you're getting a lot of your information from social media God
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forbid. Everybody's a doctor right now. So it's definitely getting crazy out there. So I'm
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going to take us even deeper into the cell. I'm going to want to get to the mitochondria
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because that organelle, that beautiful little organ, I think mitochondria are the most beautiful
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things. Like, you know, I almost want mitochondrial art on my walls. But why do you think that mitochondrial
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science has remained really overlooked for so long despite how critical it is for everything
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you've just said, including like brain health, hormones, immunity, metabolism. Like there's
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literally not a piece of human health that can be looked at without looking at the mitochondria.
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I mean, as important as the cell is, what's happening in those little organelles becomes even more
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critical. Yeah. I've been fascinated with the mitochondria for a really long time. But I think what
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the disconnect is, it kind of goes back to what we're talking about, cellular health in general.
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I think medicine as it's set up today thinks in organ systems, right? Like, okay, you've got a heart
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problem, you've got a lung problem, you've got a brain problem. But it doesn't think much,
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you know, much more granular lead than that, right? It's not getting down to, okay, is there a
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connection between the heart, lung and brain problem? Is there something that's going on with all
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three, right? And that's where cellular health comes in in general, right? But the mitochondria in
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particular, because the mitochondria is like the engine of that cell, right? It's the one providing
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the energy, kind of the resources, all of that stuff. And so I think when the mitochondria or
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when the cell is not getting what it needs and the mitochondria then in turn is not getting what
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it's need, you're having those cells collapse much earlier and lead to many of the symptoms we
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just talked about, you know? So I think the biggest reason it doesn't get attention, honestly,
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is because it's not fitting the model of medicine that we have today where it's very organ-based,
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right? Yeah. You're a specialist in X, you're a specialist in Y, but those special, you know,
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those different specialties don't really cover mitochondrial health. They don't even think about
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it. They're just thinking about what's going on with that particular organ. So a lot of it's just
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how we're set up to think about the body and disconnected parts, rather than spending a little bit
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more time thinking, okay, what's underneath that that's interconnecting all those disconnected parts
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that actually could be influencing what's happening overall? Yeah, no, that's, and in a way,
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you could imagine that that medical model might look like an energy first went, right? Like,
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what let's look at this person's like foundational energy at a cellular level because to your point,
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if that cellular energy is down, it's going to show up all over the place. Well, that's the Chinese medicine,
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so Chinese medicine, right, which I love. Yeah, we already talked about how it's 5,000 years ago.
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They already did that. They talked about Qi. They maybe didn't say mitochondria, right? But they
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talked about Qi, and it was the job of every clinician to assess a person's Qi or energy. So they
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had an energy first model, then later got into like an organ system or an emotional issue or things
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like that. It was secondary, which is the flip of how we think conventionally. Yeah, well, I mean,
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I know that whenever I've gone to see a TCM doc, the first thing they do is you hold out your
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wrists, measure your Qi and your wrists, and then they want to look at your tongue tongue.
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And then they start asking you these crazy specific personal questions that you're like,
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what do you like, you've been talking to someone who lives in my house? Like, how do you even know that?
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Right. And when they look at you suspiciously and accusingly say, when the last time you went to
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the bathroom, like, really? How do you know this? Yeah. We'll bring it into our intakes. Do you
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really? Yeah. We bring that in. We bring it in through meridian evaluations so that we can help
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people, you know, have a visual at least of like, okay, well, this meridian's off. So tell me about
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how you're going to the bathroom. What's happening? You know, and so, you know, it's an important part
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of the model. I feel like it just makes this better as clinicians. 100%. So let's talk a little bit
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about aging. Like, yeah, if let's say mitochondrial research had been as heavily funded in the past 10
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years as other areas, what do you think would be possible right now on this new front of people
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trying to slow down their aging or stay healthier longer? Like, if mitochondria had had their day
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10 years ago and worse, we've been, we'd focused on that energy first model. Do you think we'd be
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much further advanced? Oh my gosh. I mean, I think we would have a very different way of
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practicing medicine because if you think about it, they're mitochondria in the heart. Think
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about how many dollars and how much energy is spent on cardiovascular disease, right? It's one of
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the number one killers for both men and women. So those numbers and stats might change because,
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again, you're entering the conversation very late. If you're going to wait and enter it when somebody's
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having, you know, chronic heart disease or high cholesterol or all of these other things, right?
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To me, that's a late entry. If you entered earlier and actually dealt with the mitochondrial
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health of the cells in the heart, then that would be a very different outcome. I think same thing
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with the dementia epidemic, right? The memory and dementia epidemic, which again is fueling
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God knows how many expenses across the country in terms of trying to find support for people who
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are losing, you know, their memory or who are going into early onset dementia and then living
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longer and having dementia for longer periods of time, right? For them, again, what is the essential
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function of everything in the brain? It's the mitochondria. If it doesn't have the energy it needs,
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you are going to be more prone to memory loss, to neurological disorders, to all those different
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things, which on the other side, once you get that diagnosis, you know, it's very limited. I mean,
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it's a lot of like care and maybe maybe a few medications, but there's really not a plan to,
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again, think about cellular health and attack it that way, which again, when you come back to the
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kind of holistic or functional model, it has ways of testing those things, but I would still argue
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we're still testing post-diagnosis, right? Not because we're waiting for it to show up, right?
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Like someone's coming in to our practice thing, I was diagnosed with X. What else can I do? Which is
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great. We can still help them, right? And we still end up making a little dent in everything,
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but I would love it if it's just a routine part of care, right? You come in and yearly,
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we know what your mitochondrial health looks like, so that we're not in like five years or 10
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years or 20 years, you know, dealing with some of these diseases that are very difficult to turn
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around. Yeah, you know, it's interesting this piece of the conversation. I have someone close to
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me right now who is quite elderly and just in the last two months has started a very steep decline.
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out of juice. It's not that there's sick particularly, but you just see that the whole the whole
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system is just running out of energy to keep things going the way they used to. It's it's really
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hard to watch. It's humbling and sobering at the same time because, you know, in someone who's
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foundationally fairly healthy, you wonder if the model was different, even if the curve could have
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been flattened, right? So that it's not this precipice. Well, we see it. And I think the elderly are
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such an example of, you know, declining cellular health because they will show it everywhere, right?
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They'll show it in the loss of muscle mass. They'll show it in muscle weakness. They'll show it in
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cognitive decline and cognitive delay. You will see it in terms of changes, just an overall gate
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and posture and some of how they just move their bodies. You know, all of these things are
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really imbalances of mitochondrial health. And so again, because we don't think about it,
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we don't think about how do we optimize the cell versus optimizing something else.
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you're saying, just flattened and kind of held in a static place rather than worsening.
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care starts to focus on that foundation instead of just trying to deal with the symptoms as they
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like kind of this like a whack-a-mole game of some sort of orderly treatment. I mean,
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but I would even say like in today's and it's like it's just certain pediatrics, you know,
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I feel like, you know, I've been trying to describe this to people like, I will go observe
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people in a mall or on a beach or things like that. And if you look at the children,
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they look like they have low tone and they look quote unquote weaker. I don't know a scientific
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way of like describing it, but there's a puffiness to them. They look a little bit like, you know,
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they're not as strong or not as vigorous maybe as the word. I don't know if it's like the
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electronics that are doing it, but like I would say even in children, we need to be assessing where
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they are, you know, because I think we are getting, you got to realize that mitochondria is receptive
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to everything, right? It's receptive to light, it's receptive to toxins, it's receptive to all
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of the stuff. And so I think that they may be having decline in mitochondrial energy
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much earlier, you know, than what we experience as well. And we do also know the other really
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interesting thing about the mitochondria is that we do know it usually is coming down from the
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maternal line most of the most of the time, right? And it's not really altered. So, you know,
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if you've got mothers that have had disease or super stressed out or getting, you know,
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or have a high toxic load, then the mitochondria of those kids is going to be weaker, you know?
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postpartum, and then going through the lifespan to really optimize this in a much better way.
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Yeah. I mean, there's, we could do a whole podcast just on this, but, you know,
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looking at those kids to your point, when you see them on the beach for, you know, maybe they're
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on holidays at the beach. It's probably as much outside time as they've probably gotten in the
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last six months put together. And so quite apart from that foundational issue, which might be the
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mitochondria and whatever else they're inheriting through mom, is also the lifestyles that these kids
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are living, which are so suboptimal for the most part. Unless the parent has made a real decision
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to send that child to an alternative school where they're going outside, they're not sitting on
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screens like all the things. Right. And all of that will compound into what you're picking up,
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which is this kind of, I don't want to call it an aura, but it is almost like an aura of just
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lower energy. Yeah. Just not as not like that kid energy that you might have seen 20, 30, 40,
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50 years ago. Exactly. That's you're describing it perfectly. Yeah. Okay. Let's move over to moms,
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like to women, you know, you work with women across literally every life stage. So what would you
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say that practitioners are seeing right now that the public still hasn't caught up to?
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When it comes to women and women, I mean, I think, you know, the biggest issue for women today
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is sort of this load that they carry. I call it the invisible load where they just have kind of like
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a chronic hum or chronic chronic vibration of cortisol going on in their heads over and over again.
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that way is in turn impacting their energy, right? So many women are running around very low energy
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and then that in turn will impact their hormones. And so I think a lot of women don't understand
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is that you have to have energy. They talk about, again, not to keep talking about Chinese medicine,
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but they talk about Chinese medicine is that to generate a hormone, right? Hormones come from
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cholesterol. They are made, you know, when cholesterol synthesis happens properly and you have the
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right nutrients and then they differentiate out into into all the different hormones. So when
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women don't have basic fundamental energy, right? They are not making the hormones that they need.
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And as they do that, then you start to see all kinds of hormone imbalances and those show up in
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different ways. So for many women, they are dropping their progesterone levels, for example,
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way earlier than previously. So we expect progesterone levels to go down in perimenopause. For example,
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as you hit, you know, kind of your mid to late 30s, that's normal. Then estrogen follows as you
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get further into your 40s and then both fall as you get into your 50s. All of that is very normal,
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you know, and nothing unusual. But I think what women today don't understand is whether we blame,
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again, the environment or this hum of inflammation or this hum accord is all whatever we want to blame,
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they're losing progesterone levels much earlier and it's showing up as a lot of the symptomology
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that they are then in turn getting medicated for. So that is a part of why we've got anxiety epidemic,
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part of why we have an issue with mental health and depression, you know, a part of why we have
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like sort of this PCOS endometriosis profile that's increasing amongst our younger women, you know,
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that in turn is leading into the fertility and infertility issues. And then sort of these dramatic
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swings when we get to paramedicos and menopause that are blowing up, you know, families and people's
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lives and stuff like that. So this idea of building hormone, right, again, is a foreign concept in
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the Western model. A lot of doctors today don't even advocate for checking hormones. They think it's
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not necessary, right? But again, it's another vital sign. It's a vital sign of your, you know,
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overall constitutional energy and the trajectory that you're on. I always share my own story that,
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you know, having gone through medical and residency and then ER jobs and all that other stuff,
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I was bottomed out when it came to progesterone in my 20s, right? Yeah. And so when on bioidentical
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progesterone, probably from, you know, by the time I figured it out, probably from like 30 to 33 or 34,
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but during those years was learning a lot about my health and learning about what I needed to do.
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So once I had my children at like 34, 35 and then 36, 37, you know, I no longer needed any supportive
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progesterone until now when I've hit my 50s. You know, so it's like, you know, this, this sort of
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loss of energy is leading to something like hormonal imbalance and that connection again,
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it's not really something that's talked about. I mean, I think even, you know, as we speak,
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there's a lot of talk around perimenopause and menopause, but not from sort of this holistic lens
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where you need to think about cellular energy, you need to think about inflammation, you need to think
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about cortisol and then put the hormones in their place based off all of those things. So to me,
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that's one of the biggest things I see in women's health. The other piece I see in women's health
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is sort of the rise in autoimmune disease and disease inflammation. That's another really big one.
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I think a lot of women nowadays are suffering from some sort of, you know, either well-defined or not
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yet well-defined autoimmune condition. And that's a lot of this like chronic fatigue that they feel
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or the brain fog that they feel or not feeling like themselves and it's definitely impacting
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their self-esteem and what they decide to do in the world or how much they're willing to take on.
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So I think that's the second one that I think is an issue that we need to address with women
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and help game plan for that much, much better. And I think the last might be the state of the female
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brain, you know, like I think that I don't know. I don't know how I feel about all this ADHD stuff.
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I mean, I have a daughter that's on the medications as well and, you know, has been able to perform
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academically when we finally gave in when she was in 11th grade and started taking the medication.
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But, you know, you really have to sit and think, what is the long-term fallout of this stuff and
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how is it impacting, you know, the brain? And the concern is when we look at the health of the
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female brain from a longevity standpoint, because we're living much longer than men usually, you know,
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are we really doing enough to protect the female brain and really thinking about it aggressively?
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I think those are things that, you know, I don't see women sitting and asking those questions
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or thinking about, you know, we are really great about dialing into our weight, you know,
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we're really great about like paying attention to that and paying attention to maybe some of the
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other things that cat, you know, that are so obvious, right? But I think thinking proactively about
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the brain, about keeping diseases of inflammation away, about building hormone, these are things that
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are not a part of the conversation yet. There are some good tools in longevity that are powerful,
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but quite impractical for daily life. Ozone therapy is one of these. The research is compelling,
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but most people aren't going to clinics multiple times a week or setting up equipment at a home.
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And honestly, you shouldn't need to. That's why I was so curious when wizard science is launched
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nat15 for 15% off your purchase. If we did adopt this cellular energy model first,
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a couple of things that have really stuck with me. Number one is should we be able, because again,
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I used to work at a crossfit gym and I worked as their nutritionist. And aside from beating
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myself up, that was the other thing I did there. At that time, I was blown away that every 20-something
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I was seeing was on some kind of anti-anxiety. And I had no clue at that point. It was just like,
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I literally was slack-jawed. And so the couple of things that you said is, and no doctor that I know
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of right now, who's conventional. I mean, they barely want to test women's hormones in their
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photos. Never mind testing them in a 20-something year old. But based on what you're saying,
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that should almost be standard of care at this point. Before we, before an anxiety medication
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is prescribed, there should be a full workup looking at, for sure, hormones, if not all the other
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things that we're looking at. Because that symptom, one of the symptoms of dysregulated hormones
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would be anxiety. Correct. Yeah. And why men and women, right? Like not just women.
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Absolutely. I mean, I feel like every person should be testing, definitely your teenagers
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on should be testing all their different hormone levels. But I think from childhood on,
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we should all be testing the basics of mitochondrial health. And those are things like
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B vitamins, magnesium, right? You're protein and amino acid load that's really important as well.
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Omega-3 fats. These are things that you can run in conventional labs. You don't have to have a
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fancy lab to go do all this stuff, right? It can be run. It just needs to be ordered. And those
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are some basic determinants of cellular energy, right? I have so many people that take a methylated
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B and feel like the world opened up for them, right? I mean, the mitochondria, if we go back to mitochondria,
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are very dependent on it. But guess what? Your hormones are dependent on that too, you know?
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And so it's like there's so much overlap between what the body needs from an energetic standpoint
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and what we are actually testing and delivering. And then we've got a lot of people, you know,
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searching for answers or just experiencing symptoms and assuming that it's normal or it's a part
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of X, Y and Z. It's a part of security. It's a part of, you know, being in your 20s. It's a part
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of being pregnant. It's a part of like aging, you know, just making these assumptions. And you
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ask me what would happen? Like if we, if we could learn more, right? It could implement this in a
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very practical, efficient way, right? Not, not overwhelming folks, but just being like, these
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are the five or six things you should be checking over and over again. Then you could probably not
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only prevent so much chronic disease and so many things that both men and women are dealing with
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today. But we could delay aging, you know what I mean? Or we could define aging where aging isn't
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necessarily you losing your brain or your mobility or succumbing to a chronic disease. But aging
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is more just sort of this natural evolution into a different role that over time, you know,
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when that role ends, you're done, you know, that type of thing. But not so much this like disease burden
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associated with aging that I think is what makes this fear full of aging. Most, if you talk about
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everything, most of them are scared of aging. They don't think there's no positive connotation
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with aging, which is something that I think would change if they saw a lot more vibrant energetic,
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healthy people walking around. I mean, look how inspired we are now about women who are in their
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fifties or even in their sixties and they're strong and they're healthy and they look amazing.
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You know, that gives a lot of hope to younger generations. I think we need to do the same,
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you know, in terms of setting up like what 70 or 80 could look like when you're paying attention
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to mitochondrial health. Yeah, well, there's a few standouts in that, right? There's that woman
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who lifts weights at 80 and who, I mean, you know, she's an icon. But she's won in a million.
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Right. And I think part of it is how we think of aging, what we think we can and should be doing
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as we age. Right. And that's evolved over time. But the one thing I wanted, there's one question
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I wanted to ask you before we move on to the next thing, which is what do you think the consequences
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are of just the flip side, right? What do you think the consequences are of just dumping hormones
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into a system that is under siege? So I'm so glad you asked me that because I spend a lot of
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time talking about that over and over again and kind of being sort of put in this position opposite
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of your conventional GYN or some of the folks that are just giving hormones. You know, hormones
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have to be broken down. They have to be metabolized. They have to be used and the cells have to be
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able to respond to them effectively. If you look at any hormone pathway, not to geek out here,
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but if you look at any hormone pathway and look at the metabolism of an estrogen or a progesterone
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or a testosterone, it is all dependent on certain key nutrients and those nutrients being able to
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move that hormone through the body effectively and then presenting to the liver and being able to
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move through the liver effectively. Those are all dependent on a healthy mitochondria that can do
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the work it needs to do. So for example, if you are low in B vitamins or you are low in magnesium,
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then you are not going to metabolize estrogen effectively. You're going to store or hold onto
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that hormone in your tissue. So you're getting hormone replacement therapy over here. Maybe the
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blood work says yay, good job. Your estrogen levels are better, but because you are lacking nutrients
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and some of the key things you need, you're holding onto those metabolites of estrogen,
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maybe in breast tissue or in your uterus or in your fat or in all these different places,
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which again can be a disease burden in the long term. So again, we've got to think,
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not to use the word, but we've got to think holistically about even hormone replacement therapy
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and about what a hormone actually needs to be able to do its job in the right way versus the
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wrong way. I could say the same thing about testosterone, right? And it's like, okay, all the guys
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want testosterone. Great. But if you give testosterone to a guy whose cortisol levels out of control
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or who doesn't have an avesing, right, or who's guts not working really well, that level just goes
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up. It doesn't get metabolized. The next thing you know, they're hemoglobin, they're hematocritz
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going up as well. They're clotting and that testosterone starts to work against them. So everything
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has a sweet spot in the human body, right? Everything has a sweet spot and everything is dependent
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on something else. And so you've got to be able to connect the dots on some of this stuff,
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or you're really only helping people 50% of the way, but not the whole way there.
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Yeah. And you're helping them get better number, like it's like a vanity number,
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right? Without the full suite of associated benefits that you should be entitled to with that
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number. Right. Exactly. Yikes. Okay. Let's get back to women's health, women's specific stuff again.
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So you know, it's, we hear that less than 2% of global R&D funding goes to women's health. And
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I feel like that's starting to change, but at least the talk is there. But global is a much
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larger picture than looking inside a little bubble. But in practical terms, what do you think that
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underfunding looks like in a clinic and in patient outcomes in general? Well, you know,
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I can't remember the year. It was in 1999 or 2000. I don't know. It was as recent, I think 1999,
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and that could be wrong on my year. So forgive me if I'm wrong, was the first time there was a call
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to include women in research. But women didn't actually enter research trials. I think the year is
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like 2003, 2004, something like that. Yeah, there were rules against using the act because we had
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cycles and we weren't predictable and static and all these other different things, right? Yeah.
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But here's what that means in real life. In real life, that means doctors like me, right, who were
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trained in the late 90s and up until now, because there's really not new research yet, have all been
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trained on standard, quote unquote, everyone wants to throw standard of care in your face, right? Well,
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that's not standard of care. This is not the standard of care. Those standards of care have been
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predicated on studies done on men, primarily not on women. So we are telling people to take this
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medicine, do this procedure, follow this particular thing on studies that really didn't even meet
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our demographic to begin with. So it's not meeting women where they are. So it's an incredible
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disservice when it comes to women's health. So that's a big sort of push and pull in the women's
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health community is that you want to be able to think about women individually, cyclically,
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but the studies are not there to maybe support that work, which is why I always tell women,
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your story is so important, your experience is so important because if we're going to keep
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falling on the sort of science, the science isn't there yet to justify a lot of what people are
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recommending. So I think that's a big red flag and that's a problem. And yes, there's a push now
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on funding for women's health stuff. But remember, you know, by the time you do a study,
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right? And by the time you present that study and try to get it published, you've got another
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generation of women cranking through the medical system, right? So it's almost like another 15, 20
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years are going to go by before like, oh my gosh, we got it wrong. This is different. Now we
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saw that with the Women's Health Initiative, right? The Women's Health Initiative was a study
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that looked at post-manopausal women on hormone replacement therapy of a specific kind,
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preramarine, right? Which was horse estrogen. And the results of that study, you know,
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halfway through were so problematic that everybody halted the study and said, hormones were bad
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for everybody. But they generalized it to everybody. Whereas the study really only looked at women,
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I think there were somewhere above 65 and not thinking about it for women in their 40s or 50s
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or, you know, all these other women. So women have suffered, a whole generation of women's
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suffered because they couldn't take hormones because of a flawed study. And so I think if we learn
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anything from the research arm of this stuff is that A, we need more research when it comes to
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anything. And we need varied research. We can't have research from one vantage point. And then
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I think B is like, if we're going to do women's health research, you know, you've got to look at
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the different variables when it comes to being a woman. We are not static or linear. We have
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cycles, you know, we cycle in so many different ways. We play different roles throughout our lives.
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And you've got to figure out a way to do research that addresses some of those variables when it
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just comes to being a woman. Yeah, 100 percent. That's so true. Do you think that the the
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Ayurvedic and traditional Chinese medicine have done a better job of accounting for women,
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for gender specific protocols that isn't they have, right? Like it's baked into their to their
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for that reason alone, they should be serving as a reference point, I think, for so much so it's
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baked into their, you know, methodology is baked into their formula, you know, they have formulas
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for so many different aspects of women's health. And very prescriptive formulas that have been
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handed down over time. So yes, I do think they they do a much better job.
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Got a better job. Well, so it's great that, you know, for physicians who can dip into both
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into both those worlds, is there a dialogue that happens between mitochondria and hormone
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specifically? 100 percent. I mean, I think that if you don't have the cellular health to produce
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the hormone or to manage a hormone or to metabolism hormone, then you're going to have hormone decline
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or hormone decay much faster. So, you know, one of the the crises sort of the people talk about
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right now is the infertility crisis, right? Like, you know, the birth rate going down, people
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having trouble getting pregnant, that is a decline in cellular energy at the end of the day.
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It's a hormone crash caused by sort of what's happening to the cell, right? So so these two ideas
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are very closely linked together and very interdependent on one another. mitochondrial health,
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cellular health, mitochondrial health is hormone health. You can't separate the two out from one
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another. mitochondrial health is brain health. It's also muscle health. You know, it's also joint
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health, you know, there's just so much when it comes to mitochondrial health that that inner connects
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the dots. And you actually work with an organization that I got to know very recently after a
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podcast I released in December, which blew my mind, called Countdown, you know, which is an
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organization that focuses on funding mitochondrial research, really. Did I get that right?
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Yes, you did. And I'm super, I mean, you know, our missions are identical. So the mission of
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whole plus, which is our platform and clinics, is very identical to the mission of Countdown,
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where it's really to push this forefront of science further faster and bring it into exam rooms
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and clinical treatment options in a way that benefits, you know, patients across across the globe.
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And I think when it comes to Countdown, they're very focused on the mitochondrial component of
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this, right? Like what does mitochondrial health mean? Do you even know the word mitochondria? Do
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you know to ask for that? You know, what is this role in cellular health and women's health
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men's health pediatrics? And I think, you know, historically, even doctors, you know, we were trained
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to think about mitochondrial health in the context of disease, right? We memorized all these diseases
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in the mitochondria that presented in pediatrics, diseases that present as adult. But we didn't think
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of it in terms of an option for prevention and optimization for our patients and how if we thought
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ahead, right, we didn't wait till the disease pattern emerged, but if we thought in a little bit
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more advanced way and in a little bit more of a preventive way, then you could really change
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outcomes and you could also improve prevention, optimization, hormone health, fertility, all these
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determinants that we're struggling with today. So, you know, I was attracted to the organization
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because they were so focused and targeted on this very, you know, unrecognized area of health
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that I feel like for now and for the future and for future generations needs to really take
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priority. Yeah, I'm with you. And one of the things they highlight actually is in some of the work
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and I think you're very involved in this as well is this concept of ovarian aging as one of the
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earliest aging signals in women. And I've had a couple of guests over the years talk about this
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and at the beginning, people kind of thought they were crazy. And at this point, it's becoming
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much more accepted that looking at the ovaries that are this super dense mitochondrial dense
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organ in women, which makes sense, just as the testes are in men, like help the audience to
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understand, connect this idea of ovarian aging to an overall aging process in the individual
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for longevity. Well, I think it's so for female longevity, our ovaries have a lot to do with it,
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right? Like our ovaries are responsible for producing the hormone and are very tied to our fertility
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cycles, all these different things. And so historically, female longevity or the vitality of a
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female has been tied to her ovarian function. Now, at the root of ovarian function is mitochondrial
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health. That's really what's determining it so much so that we know that people who have had a
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lot of disease conditions, who have poor nutrition, have all of these things that impact mitochondrial
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health usually go into perimenopause and menopause much earlier than a counterpart who's paid attention
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to it. So the fact that we are understanding more than just anecdotally that we can actually
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reverse ovarian age by paying attention to mitochondrial health is super exciting. And we see it in
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procedures like PRP for the vaginal area or for the cervical area where you can literally regenerate
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different areas because you're replenishing it with fresh cells that have fresh mitochondria.
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All of these are things that are kind of on the forefront and are super exciting. And
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mean for women, we don't have to have this kind of timestamp on us, right? Like, okay,
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freeze your eggs, but the time you're 40, otherwise your chances of having a child are off.
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But it's not just about fertility. I mean, remember estrogen, progesterone, testosterone,
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all these hormones are also about just our daily functioning, like how we think and how we feel and
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how we look. So I feel like if we could understand what it takes to reverse ovarian age,
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you know, we have unlocked, you know, the potential for women to be productive and vibrant, you know,
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far beyond what our expectations have been in the past. For sure. And I actually just had this
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conversation with someone and it's not necessarily about that we want to have babies in our 60s and
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our 70s. I don't think most women would want that. I certainly wouldn't. I love the door,
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the babies, and having them younger, I think, is the way to go. But it's really this concept that
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the aging of the ovaries affects, or either is a symptom or affects the whole system, like the
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brain, the bones, the muscles, like the whole body just kind of follow suit. Yeah. And if we can
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end to your point, whether it's reversing it or even frankly slowing it down, if we get started
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earlier, we could maybe have a much greater impact. It's always easier to slow down the train,
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I think. I think so too. And I think that, you know, we know what the effects of losing your hormones
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or losing that, you know, that very vital force is probably what I would call it are. I mean,
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we can't pretend you can, you know, you can do a really good job with your nutrition and your
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workouts, but there's something to losing your hormones that is very profound, you know. And I
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think that the longer we can keep that rhythm going for women, the better. Yeah. Let's talk about
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countdown for a minute before we say goodbye. Give us a very, your 22nd elevator pitch, help people
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to understand, you know, what gap are they really feeling in this world of mitochondrial health
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and by extension women's health? Well, I think first of all, there's just not the research dollars
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right now behind mitochondrial health period end of story, even for some of the diseases,
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it is not a focus. And so one of the things that they are doing is working with some of the key
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scientists across the country and the researchers that Stanford and other leading institutions
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to really help, you know, fund some of the research that needs to happen. And some of the stories
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that are coming out, whether it's, you know, understanding chronic fatigue a little bit better,
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understanding some of the cognitive disorders a little bit better, some of the muscle myopathies,
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a little bit better, you know, those are incredible with some of the work that's coming out of there.
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So they're really funding some of this critical research at some of the institutions
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across the country that are involved in it because the funding has not been there. So I think
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that is their number one piece of the puzzle. I think the second is the next place that they
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are focusing is what it means in the longevity world. What does it mean for longevity? What
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does it mean for optimization? And how do we improve things like pediatrics and women's health
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by a spreading more awareness about the mitochondria, but be coming up with ways to make it realistic to
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test and to measure for the average patient in the exam room. And I think, you know, as they continue
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to work on both of those campaigns, right, funding research, spreading awareness, making sure everybody
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knows the word mitochondria and then knows how to translate that into a practical, you know,
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into practical applications. I think they're doing that work that I don't know of anyone else doing.
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So I'm super excited, you know, to kind of get behind this and kind of get this train moving
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so that it can make a difference in patient's lives. And one of the other things they do really
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well or that they're striving to do really well is, you know, if you look at mitochondrial
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medicine, it's probably still following the model of conventional medicine that is siloed,
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like for the heart, for the brain, for the this, for that. And I think what their vision is,
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is to kind of start to build bridges between all these different areas so that it's what you've
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said all along in this episode, if there's a foundational problem in mitochondria and the body,
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it's going to affect every single system. Maybe one more than the other at any given time,
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but it's a foundationally, it's an energy issue at that cellular level. And the other thing that
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you said that I think is really important when we're talking about an organization like Hounddown
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is that gap that philanthropy is trying to fill, right? Because when it comes to this early-stage
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science, the research dollars just aren't there. They aren't there. Yeah, they might come in later,
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but they're not there. So we need organizations like Hounddown. We're going to push medicine
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forward faster, right? Otherwise, we're going to be in these 20-year loops of waiting for things
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to come out in a whole generation of people kind of going through the system. Yeah. All right,
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we're going to close up. I have a couple more questions for you if you still have a few
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for a minute for us. Okay, I have three minutes. Three minutes, it's pretty exciting. Okay,
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in 10 years, what will seem primitive about how you currently treat women's health?
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I think in 10 years, we will have the technology and the clinical protocols to assess women,
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I mean, to assess hormones and cellular health on every woman of every age.
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What excites you most right now? Hormones, mitochondria, AI, microbiome science,
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wearables, something else? What excites me most right now is the ability to integrate
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all this knowledge into one system. I feel like, yes, we have, again, to me, you have AI,
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you have this, you have that, you have, you have a lot of information, but the magic for me is how
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that information integrates into a profile for you. And so that's where I spent a lot of my time
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thinking and innovating and trying to understand what's next. All right, last one. For listeners who
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want to support the future of medicine, what should they be paying attention to right now?
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If you want to support the future of medicine, pay attention to where research dollars go and
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make sure you're supporting causes that are trying to push medicine forward, especially for women,
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I always say, especially for children as well. All right, thank you so much, Dr. Taz. I'd
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love to invite you to tell people where they can find you and learn more about your work and your
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clinic. And the thing I'll just say before that is if anybody's interested in learning more,
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you can go to join countdown.org. And for you, Dr. Taz, your clinics and your contact
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group. Definitely. Well, you can follow me on Instagram at Dr. Taz MD is DR Taz MD and pretty
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active there. I have a show, the whole plus podcast where we're all was kind of poking and pushing
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medicine forward a little bit so you can check out the podcast on Apple or Spotify and then you can
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learn more about our clinics and our team at wholeplus.co. That's h-o-l-p-l-u-s.co where we have
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clinics across the nation and providers that are actually doing this work day in and day out in
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the exam room. Dr. Taz, thank you so much. I know you've got to fly. It's been an absolute pleasure
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to meet you and to have this conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. If folks, just a quick
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reminder that all of the information presented in this podcast is for information purposes only,
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no medical advice, no diagnosing, no treatments suggested here. Before you try anything that you
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hear about or learn about here, make sure that you check with your medical provider.
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Welcome to Longevity. I'm your host, Natalie Nidom. I'm a nutritionist, a human potential
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and epigenetic coach, and I created this podcast to bring you the latest ways to take control
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of your health and longevity. We cover it all from new technology and ancestral health
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practices, to personalize interventions, and a very special interest of mine, peptides
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and bioregulators. Enjoy the show. Welcome back to the show, folks. My name is Natalie
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Nidom, and I am your host. Before I launch into the intro for the episode, I have a very
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quick personal favorite to ask you. As of the recording of this podcast and introduction,
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my Instagram account seems to have vaporized. So if you're listening to this and you've
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gone looking for me on Instagram under my name at Natalie Nidom, and I'm not there,
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then do me a big fat favor. Look for me at Longevity with that. And if you find that
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page, please do join and follow because I share lots of great information there as well.
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So that's it. That's the big favor. Let's get into the episode. Today I am joined by Dr.
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Taz Batia, integrative medicine physician, entrepreneur, and a leading voice in women's
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health and longevity. She's here representing countdown, an organization that I've recently
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become very involved with that is doing such exciting work. They are helping to accelerate
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mitochondrial research and bringing new attention to one of the most overlooked foundations
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of human health, cellular energy. We're talking about why this science matters now, especially
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for women's health, aging, and the future of medicine. Now to find out more about countdown,
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you can go to joincountdown.org. And we'll have lots of other information about how you
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can find Dr. Taz in the show notes. So next up, we'll thank two sponsors who make this
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show possible. And then we get to dive in. I take my sleep pretty seriously. It's basically
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my favorite Longevity tool. But even with the solid routine, cool room, no light caffeine,
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blue light blockers, the whole nine yards, there's still nights when travel stress or a
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late workout can throw things off just enough to notice. And this is where Trozi from
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before bed when I want to really lock in deep restorative sleep. It dissolves between
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your upper gums and cheeks. So it works fast and fits sleeplessly in my wine down routine.
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It's much more than melatonin. It's actually very low in melatonin. Trozi is physician
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If you've been a regular listener of this podcast for the past few years, you're already
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in the know. But if you're one of our newer listeners, you may have noticed something.
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Bioregulators, a little bit new out on the market and they are growing in leaps and bounds
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in popularity. And here's why. Think of bioregulators as drivers of cellular renewal in your
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body at a tissue, organ and system level. As we go through life, DNA gets damaged so
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our signals at a genetic level starts to fade. The bioregulator peptides actually can get
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to that DNA and either repair the signals or essentially give the DNA instruction to
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start production of proteins that maybe it wasn't producing as much of as used to when
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you were younger. And so we get that upregulated cellular renewal. They do this quietly, subtly
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and in the background. The renewal starts happening in ways that only your body knows
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how to execute paired with lifestyle and nutrition. These timing molecules can make all the
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difference in how we age. Now here's my approach at this time of year. As days get longer
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and schedule start to shift, I really love to do a cycle of foundational tune up stack
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from nature's marvels. I'll do the pineal gland for circadian rhythm refresh, the thymus
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gland for immune reboot and blood vessel bioregulator to help to clean up the highways
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to and from the cells. This is a beautiful stack to repeat once or twice a year. Now
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you can find nature's marvels bioregulators at profoundhealth.com and use code net1515
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for 15% off your order. Dr. Taz, welcome to the show. It is a complete honor and privilege
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to have you here today. Thank you for taking the time. Oh, I'm thrilled to be here.
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We're going to just jump right in because people who listen to this podcast know that
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me and an hour don't get along very well. We often go much longer with our episodes.
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get people oriented with you. So you've really built your career, what we would call the
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intersection of conventional medicine and what many people once would have dismissed
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as alternative medicine. And I think now we're moving more into this space, particularly
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with medical doctors of this functional model that is that is a different approach. What
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did you see early on that made you really think that the current system just was missing
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something fundamental? You know, I think a lot of it started with just my own personal
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journey with our current system, you know, as a conventionally trained MD when I started
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to have issues, it couldn't serve me well. And it sent me sort of on this journey of
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searching and looking for answers in different places and just, you know, kind of desperate
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for help. And so I always say I accidentally stumbled on all these different areas of medicine,
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nutrition, which at the time was a foreign concept, you know, looking at Chinese medicine
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and acupuncture and herbal medicine and what that means for us looking at Ayurveda, you
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know, all of these different modalities of medicine that have been thousands and thousands
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of years old, right? Western medicine is only about 30 to 50 years old. And just realizing
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that they had a different way of thinking about the body, you know, regardless of how we
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wanted to bait their therapies, they just thought about the human body in a very different
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way. And that in itself was just so eye opening. And as you start to pursue this stuff and
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you start to learn things, you know, you start to dig and dig and dig. You know, I found
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answers that worked for me, but more importantly, it makes you question a lot of which you've
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already learned and try, you know, try really hard to put conventional medicine into its
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proper context when we think about the body as a whole. So it really started this journey
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of being like, there's a better way to do things. We're not serving people well. You
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know, there's so many answers beyond the prescription, beyond the procedure, you know, so, so where
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and especially as an MD, you know, it's like, where does all of that fit in the medical
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model? So that's really driven me over the last, you know, it's been probably 17, 18
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years, almost 20 years in the space, you know, 16, 17 years of running our clinics. So
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it's really driven sort of what we do and what we continue to evolve and how we grow.
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person, you know, one of my dreams as a kid was going to med school, which, you know,
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sideline-friendly number of reasons. And I'd always said, I want both. I want med school
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and I want the older medicines like the Ayurveda, like what you just, I mean, these guys
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have been at it for 5,000 years. Like thousands of years. And so it is so arrogant and not
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serving people to dismiss. And you know what's interesting is that I think that conventional
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medicine does a really good job at emergency medicine. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I was
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having this conversation with the journalist, actually yesterday talking about how the conventional
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medicine model, and I don't know that I don't think there was any malice in it. But I think
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what it's evolved into is keeping people alive, but not really and not having the luxury
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of time and training to really go much beyond that for most doctors.
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bit more open in terms of, okay, we're going to start to bring in some of these things.
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The food is medicine movement has been huge, right? Like, you know, we now have functional
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medicine. All of these things were not a thing, you know, when I first came on the scene.
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And all of that is really exciting. But that what you just said, like the luxury of time,
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allowing time with the provider, whatever type of provider is still something that unless
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you go outside of the model, you can't get, you know, because the models are set up for
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quick, quick turnaround. And, you know, over, you know, again, remember, it's about 20 years
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in the space. So I've sat on a lot of committee meetings and like, you know, company meetings,
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all these other things. And they want to talk about everything, but they don't want to
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talk about returning time back to the doctor patient relationship. They don't want to talk
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about that, you know. And so I think that is the biggest disservice because unfortunately,
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what happens, you know, if you don't find that sweet spot in terms of spending time with
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people, you can't get the full picture, you know, and there's so many things that happen
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in the exam room or in a clinical encounter where it's like, oh, wait, I forgot to tell
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you this or oh, by the way, or, you know, like you're digging because people always come
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in with a mask, right? Everybody comes in kind of like kind of buttoned up with what they're
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prepared to say, but really underneath that is where the answers are. And you can't get
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there as a clinician, you know, unless you have time. That's so powerful, right? The, the
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luxury of time. And I remember speaking with a physician, actually, I don't even think
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she was a physician. She ran a clinic in South Florida that deals with very chronic complex
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illness. And she said to me, her intake was an hour and a half to two hours. Yeah. Or
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their clinic. And she said very often when they got stuck on a case, if they went, when
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they went back, they would often find the answer in that monstrous intake. Or they would
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find a hint that would get them to ask enough because she said, you know, the patient always
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knows. They don't know that they know. Right. But they always have the answer somewhere
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in there. Anyway, that's it. And I think in many ways, also, if we go back a couple of
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generations and doctors before the systems became so, and I'm putting up my hands and
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quotation marks efficient, the old-style doctor would sit and talk with their patients.
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They would get to know the patient. And it was kind of like this blend of medicine with
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symptomatology to really get a full picture of what was going on. Very much. They were
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very integrated too into the family unit. You know, they were part of part of your family
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doctor, right? That old-school family doctor was a thing. And if you go back even further,
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you know, was the old-school family doctor in a village was often very close to being the
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same person as the priest or the village elder or some of these people that, you know,
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you went to and it was not just about an ailment. Yeah. It was kind of about this overall
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picture of what was going on with you. 100%. All right. Well, we're going to have to stop
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memory lane now and get back. Yes, definitely. Come into the present. Come into the present.
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There were nice things then, but, you know, we've come a long way. So, and let's just jump
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right into the cell and talk about mitochondria. Okay. Shall we? Yes. Let's do it. So, why do you
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believe that cellular energy may be one of the most important conversations in modern
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health that needs to be had right now? Well, I think it's under attack. I think like, you know,
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when we think about the cells, it's not a term that's getting a lot of press or play,
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but it is probably a term when we think about cellular health that needs more attention than ever
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before. I think between, you know, light, right, when we sit here under blue light and under
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different lights and we're spending a lot of time on our phones and our screens, the load of
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environmental toxins that we are exposed to today, which is very different from the past,
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our food quality, our stress levels. You know, there's so many different things. I feel like
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the cells are under attack. You know, they are expected to perform at a level that they may not
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be equipped to perform at. And each of those things I just mentioned, like each of those categories,
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they impact the cell in different ways. But what it's essentially doing is that we're having a rapid
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sort of a much more rapid decline in cell health, which means cells don't live as long as they
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used to in the capacity that they once did. So we're seeing a lot of degeneration. And the way
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that looks on the outside, right, this is all happening internally, it's all happening quietly,
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nobody's really aware of it. You're not sitting around thinking about your cell health on any given
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moment. But what it looks like externally is a gradual kind of crescendo in symptoms at younger
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and younger and younger ages. So for example, weight gain in children, right, the obesity,
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crisis, and kids, we are seeing like an energy crisis across the board, people complaining that
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they have brain fog or that they're tired or that they're weak. I would say the epidemic of
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inflammation that's shifting downward, the rise in autoimmune disease. And of course,
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it's kind of the downward skewing of cancer diagnoses, you know, which is now becoming more
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prevalent in your 20s and 30s is no longer a disease of your 50s and 60s and things like that,
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so all of those, those sort of diseases and symptoms, right, and we can kind of pepper through
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all the symptoms, but all of those at the end of the day are rooted to the health of the cell.
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So the cell is needing support, but not really getting the attention, you know, that it deserves.
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And it's not being measured. I think that's the other issue, like we'll measure a lot of different
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things in the exam room, but we're not necessarily screening for and measuring cellular health.
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And I think the next frontier of medicine is really where we literally, you know,
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sort of evaluate a person at any age, right, even a baby and try to understand where they are
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from a cellular standpoint and then work to build them in a preventive way, so we're not dealing
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with these diseases and conditions down the road. Yeah, that's what you said about babies is so powerful
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because, you know, we want to believe, and maybe there was a time when a baby would be born
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and be like the perfect organism, right? They didn't have the burden of toxins and whatnot.
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its mother who is probably doing the best she can, but everything that she's exposed to,
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that baby is exposed to. And as you've just so eloquently said, the burden of that of those
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toxins and those those challenges has increased so much. I don't know that anybody has really can
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really mitigate them efficiently unless they're really focused on it. And that remains a privilege
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really of people who have access to functional medicine or live on a mountain top somewhere.
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Definitely. And even people who have access, I think, I don't know if they're thinking about
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cellular health, right? I still feel like it's an afterthought. I mean, I feel like we know the
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words inflammation now. We might know the word detox. You might know the word hormone or hormone
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balance and maybe even cortisol. You might know those words, but like getting down to the level
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of a cell I think is a little bit of a different story. Yeah. And a lot of those terms get co-opted,
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right? I mean, especially if you're getting a lot of your information from social media God
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forbid. Everybody's a doctor right now. So it's definitely getting crazy out there. So I'm
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going to take us even deeper into the cell. I'm going to want to get to the mitochondria
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because that organelle, that beautiful little organ, I think mitochondria are the most beautiful
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things. Like, you know, I almost want mitochondrial art on my walls. But why do you think that mitochondrial
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science has remained really overlooked for so long despite how critical it is for everything
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you've just said, including like brain health, hormones, immunity, metabolism. Like there's
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literally not a piece of human health that can be looked at without looking at the mitochondria.
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I mean, as important as the cell is, what's happening in those little organelles becomes even more
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critical. Yeah. I've been fascinated with the mitochondria for a really long time. But I think what
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the disconnect is, it kind of goes back to what we're talking about, cellular health in general.
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I think medicine as it's set up today thinks in organ systems, right? Like, okay, you've got a heart
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problem, you've got a lung problem, you've got a brain problem. But it doesn't think much,
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you know, much more granular lead than that, right? It's not getting down to, okay, is there a
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connection between the heart, lung and brain problem? Is there something that's going on with all
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three, right? And that's where cellular health comes in in general, right? But the mitochondria in
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particular, because the mitochondria is like the engine of that cell, right? It's the one providing
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the energy, kind of the resources, all of that stuff. And so I think when the mitochondria or
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when the cell is not getting what it needs and the mitochondria then in turn is not getting what
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it's need, you're having those cells collapse much earlier and lead to many of the symptoms we
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just talked about, you know? So I think the biggest reason it doesn't get attention, honestly,
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is because it's not fitting the model of medicine that we have today where it's very organ-based,
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right? Yeah. You're a specialist in X, you're a specialist in Y, but those special, you know,
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those different specialties don't really cover mitochondrial health. They don't even think about
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it. They're just thinking about what's going on with that particular organ. So a lot of it's just
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how we're set up to think about the body and disconnected parts, rather than spending a little bit
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more time thinking, okay, what's underneath that that's interconnecting all those disconnected parts
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that actually could be influencing what's happening overall? Yeah, no, that's, and in a way,
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you could imagine that that medical model might look like an energy first went, right? Like,
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what let's look at this person's like foundational energy at a cellular level because to your point,
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if that cellular energy is down, it's going to show up all over the place. Well, that's the Chinese medicine,
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so Chinese medicine, right, which I love. Yeah, we already talked about how it's 5,000 years ago.
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They already did that. They talked about Qi. They maybe didn't say mitochondria, right? But they
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talked about Qi, and it was the job of every clinician to assess a person's Qi or energy. So they
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had an energy first model, then later got into like an organ system or an emotional issue or things
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like that. It was secondary, which is the flip of how we think conventionally. Yeah, well, I mean,
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I know that whenever I've gone to see a TCM doc, the first thing they do is you hold out your
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wrists, measure your Qi and your wrists, and then they want to look at your tongue tongue.
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And then they start asking you these crazy specific personal questions that you're like,
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what do you like, you've been talking to someone who lives in my house? Like, how do you even know that?
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Right. And when they look at you suspiciously and accusingly say, when the last time you went to
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the bathroom, like, really? How do you know this? Yeah. We'll bring it into our intakes. Do you
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really? Yeah. We bring that in. We bring it in through meridian evaluations so that we can help
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people, you know, have a visual at least of like, okay, well, this meridian's off. So tell me about
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how you're going to the bathroom. What's happening? You know, and so, you know, it's an important part
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of the model. I feel like it just makes this better as clinicians. 100%. So let's talk a little bit
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about aging. Like, yeah, if let's say mitochondrial research had been as heavily funded in the past 10
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years as other areas, what do you think would be possible right now on this new front of people
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trying to slow down their aging or stay healthier longer? Like, if mitochondria had had their day
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10 years ago and worse, we've been, we'd focused on that energy first model. Do you think we'd be
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much further advanced? Oh my gosh. I mean, I think we would have a very different way of
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practicing medicine because if you think about it, they're mitochondria in the heart. Think
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about how many dollars and how much energy is spent on cardiovascular disease, right? It's one of
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the number one killers for both men and women. So those numbers and stats might change because,
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again, you're entering the conversation very late. If you're going to wait and enter it when somebody's
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having, you know, chronic heart disease or high cholesterol or all of these other things, right?
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health of the cells in the heart, then that would be a very different outcome. I think same thing
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with the dementia epidemic, right? The memory and dementia epidemic, which again is fueling
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God knows how many expenses across the country in terms of trying to find support for people who
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are losing, you know, their memory or who are going into early onset dementia and then living
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longer and having dementia for longer periods of time, right? For them, again, what is the essential
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function of everything in the brain? It's the mitochondria. If it doesn't have the energy it needs,
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you are going to be more prone to memory loss, to neurological disorders, to all those different
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things, which on the other side, once you get that diagnosis, you know, it's very limited. I mean,
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it's a lot of like care and maybe maybe a few medications, but there's really not a plan to,
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again, think about cellular health and attack it that way, which again, when you come back to the
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kind of holistic or functional model, it has ways of testing those things, but I would still argue
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we're still testing post-diagnosis, right? Not because we're waiting for it to show up, right?
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Like someone's coming in to our practice thing, I was diagnosed with X. What else can I do? Which is
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great. We can still help them, right? And we still end up making a little dent in everything,
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but I would love it if it's just a routine part of care, right? You come in and yearly,
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we know what your mitochondrial health looks like, so that we're not in like five years or 10
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years or 20 years, you know, dealing with some of these diseases that are very difficult to turn
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around. Yeah, you know, it's interesting this piece of the conversation. I have someone close to
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me right now who is quite elderly and just in the last two months has started a very steep decline.
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out of juice. It's not that there's sick particularly, but you just see that the whole the whole
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system is just running out of energy to keep things going the way they used to. It's it's really
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hard to watch. It's humbling and sobering at the same time because, you know, in someone who's
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foundationally fairly healthy, you wonder if the model was different, even if the curve could have
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been flattened, right? So that it's not this precipice. Well, we see it. And I think the elderly are
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such an example of, you know, declining cellular health because they will show it everywhere, right?
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cognitive decline and cognitive delay. You will see it in terms of changes, just an overall gate
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and posture and some of how they just move their bodies. You know, all of these things are
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really imbalances of mitochondrial health. And so again, because we don't think about it,
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we don't think about how do we optimize the cell versus optimizing something else.
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you're saying, just flattened and kind of held in a static place rather than worsening.
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Yeah, 100%. It would be nice for it'll be nice to see it one day, you know, when geriatric
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care starts to focus on that foundation instead of just trying to deal with the symptoms as they
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like kind of this like a whack-a-mole game of some sort of orderly treatment. I mean,
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but I would even say like in today's and it's like it's just certain pediatrics, you know,
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I feel like, you know, I've been trying to describe this to people like, I will go observe
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people in a mall or on a beach or things like that. And if you look at the children,
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they look like they have low tone and they look quote unquote weaker. I don't know a scientific
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way of like describing it, but there's a puffiness to them. They look a little bit like, you know,
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they're not as strong or not as vigorous maybe as the word. I don't know if it's like the
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electronics that are doing it, but like I would say even in children, we need to be assessing where
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they are, you know, because I think we are getting, you got to realize that mitochondria is receptive
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to everything, right? It's receptive to light, it's receptive to toxins, it's receptive to all
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of the stuff. And so I think that they may be having decline in mitochondrial energy
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much earlier, you know, than what we experience as well. And we do also know the other really
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interesting thing about the mitochondria is that we do know it usually is coming down from the
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maternal line most of the most of the time, right? And it's not really altered. So, you know,
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if you've got mothers that have had disease or super stressed out or getting, you know,
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or have a high toxic load, then the mitochondria of those kids is going to be weaker, you know?
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postpartum, and then going through the lifespan to really optimize this in a much better way.
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Yeah. I mean, there's, we could do a whole podcast just on this, but, you know,
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looking at those kids to your point, when you see them on the beach for, you know, maybe they're
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on holidays at the beach. It's probably as much outside time as they've probably gotten in the
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last six months put together. And so quite apart from that foundational issue, which might be the
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mitochondria and whatever else they're inheriting through mom, is also the lifestyles that these kids
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are living, which are so suboptimal for the most part. Unless the parent has made a real decision
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to send that child to an alternative school where they're going outside, they're not sitting on
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screens like all the things. Right. And all of that will compound into what you're picking up,
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which is this kind of, I don't want to call it an aura, but it is almost like an aura of just
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lower energy. Yeah. Just not as not like that kid energy that you might have seen 20, 30, 40,
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50 years ago. Exactly. That's you're describing it perfectly. Yeah. Okay. Let's move over to moms,
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like to women, you know, you work with women across literally every life stage. So what would you
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say that practitioners are seeing right now that the public still hasn't caught up to?
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is sort of this load that they carry. I call it the invisible load where they just have kind of like
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a chronic hum or chronic chronic vibration of cortisol going on in their heads over and over again.
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that way is in turn impacting their energy, right? So many women are running around very low energy
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and then that in turn will impact their hormones. And so I think a lot of women don't understand
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is that you have to have energy. They talk about, again, not to keep talking about Chinese medicine,
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but they talk about Chinese medicine is that to generate a hormone, right? Hormones come from
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cholesterol. They are made, you know, when cholesterol synthesis happens properly and you have the
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right nutrients and then they differentiate out into into all the different hormones. So when
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women don't have basic fundamental energy, right? They are not making the hormones that they need.
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And as they do that, then you start to see all kinds of hormone imbalances and those show up in
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different ways. So for many women, they are dropping their progesterone levels, for example,
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way earlier than previously. So we expect progesterone levels to go down in perimenopause. For example,
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as you hit, you know, kind of your mid to late 30s, that's normal. Then estrogen follows as you
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get further into your 40s and then both fall as you get into your 50s. All of that is very normal,
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you know, and nothing unusual. But I think what women today don't understand is whether we blame,
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again, the environment or this hum of inflammation or this hum accord is all whatever we want to blame,
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they're losing progesterone levels much earlier and it's showing up as a lot of the symptomology
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that they are then in turn getting medicated for. So that is a part of why we've got anxiety epidemic,
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part of why we have an issue with mental health and depression, you know, a part of why we have
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like sort of this PCOS endometriosis profile that's increasing amongst our younger women, you know,
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that in turn is leading into the fertility and infertility issues. And then sort of these dramatic
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swings when we get to paramedicos and menopause that are blowing up, you know, families and people's
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lives and stuff like that. So this idea of building hormone, right, again, is a foreign concept in
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the Western model. A lot of doctors today don't even advocate for checking hormones. They think it's
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not necessary, right? But again, it's another vital sign. It's a vital sign of your, you know,
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overall constitutional energy and the trajectory that you're on. I always share my own story that,
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you know, having gone through medical and residency and then ER jobs and all that other stuff,
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I was bottomed out when it came to progesterone in my 20s, right? Yeah. And so when on bioidentical
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progesterone, probably from, you know, by the time I figured it out, probably from like 30 to 33 or 34,
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but during those years was learning a lot about my health and learning about what I needed to do.
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So once I had my children at like 34, 35 and then 36, 37, you know, I no longer needed any supportive
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progesterone until now when I've hit my 50s. You know, so it's like, you know, this, this sort of
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loss of energy is leading to something like hormonal imbalance and that connection again,
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it's not really something that's talked about. I mean, I think even, you know, as we speak,
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there's a lot of talk around perimenopause and menopause, but not from sort of this holistic lens
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where you need to think about cellular energy, you need to think about inflammation, you need to think
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about cortisol and then put the hormones in their place based off all of those things. So to me,
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that's one of the biggest things I see in women's health. The other piece I see in women's health
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is sort of the rise in autoimmune disease and disease inflammation. That's another really big one.
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I think a lot of women nowadays are suffering from some sort of, you know, either well-defined or not
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yet well-defined autoimmune condition. And that's a lot of this like chronic fatigue that they feel
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or the brain fog that they feel or not feeling like themselves and it's definitely impacting
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their self-esteem and what they decide to do in the world or how much they're willing to take on.
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So I think that's the second one that I think is an issue that we need to address with women
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and help game plan for that much, much better. And I think the last might be the state of the female
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brain, you know, like I think that I don't know. I don't know how I feel about all this ADHD stuff.
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I mean, I have a daughter that's on the medications as well and, you know, has been able to perform
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academically when we finally gave in when she was in 11th grade and started taking the medication.
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But, you know, you really have to sit and think, what is the long-term fallout of this stuff and
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how is it impacting, you know, the brain? And the concern is when we look at the health of the
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female brain from a longevity standpoint, because we're living much longer than men usually, you know,
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are we really doing enough to protect the female brain and really thinking about it aggressively?
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I think those are things that, you know, I don't see women sitting and asking those questions
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or thinking about, you know, we are really great about dialing into our weight, you know,
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we're really great about like paying attention to that and paying attention to maybe some of the
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other things that cat, you know, that are so obvious, right? But I think thinking proactively about
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the brain, about keeping diseases of inflammation away, about building hormone, these are things that
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are not a part of the conversation yet. There are some good tools in longevity that are powerful,
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but quite impractical for daily life. Ozone therapy is one of these. The research is compelling,
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but most people aren't going to clinics multiple times a week or setting up equipment at a home.
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And honestly, you shouldn't need to. That's why I was so curious when wizard science is launched
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interesting is its delivery. Oracle uses an acid protected capsule, so the ozonated oil reaches
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the small intestine intact. That matters because ozone doesn't work like a typical antioxidant.
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It acts as a signal, encouraging your body to increase its own antioxidant production,
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support immune balance, and improve cellular communication. And because it's delivered through
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the gut, you're supporting the system where immunity, detoxification, and energy regulation
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cellular level, you can learn more about Oracle at wizardsciences.com and make sure to use code
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nat15 for 15% off your purchase. If we did adopt this cellular energy model first,
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a couple of things that have really stuck with me. Number one is should we be able, because again,
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I used to work at a crossfit gym and I worked as their nutritionist. And aside from beating
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myself up, that was the other thing I did there. At that time, I was blown away that every 20-something
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I was seeing was on some kind of anti-anxiety. And I had no clue at that point. It was just like,
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I literally was slack-jawed. And so the couple of things that you said is, and no doctor that I know
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of right now, who's conventional. I mean, they barely want to test women's hormones in their
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photos. Never mind testing them in a 20-something year old. But based on what you're saying,
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that should almost be standard of care at this point. Before we, before an anxiety medication
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is prescribed, there should be a full workup looking at, for sure, hormones, if not all the other
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things that we're looking at. Because that symptom, one of the symptoms of dysregulated hormones
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would be anxiety. Correct. Yeah. And why men and women, right? Like not just women.
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Absolutely. I mean, I feel like every person should be testing, definitely your teenagers
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on should be testing all their different hormone levels. But I think from childhood on,
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we should all be testing the basics of mitochondrial health. And those are things like
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B vitamins, magnesium, right? You're protein and amino acid load that's really important as well.
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Omega-3 fats. These are things that you can run in conventional labs. You don't have to have a
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fancy lab to go do all this stuff, right? It can be run. It just needs to be ordered. And those
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are some basic determinants of cellular energy, right? I have so many people that take a methylated
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B and feel like the world opened up for them, right? I mean, the mitochondria, if we go back to mitochondria,
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are very dependent on it. But guess what? Your hormones are dependent on that too, you know?
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And so it's like there's so much overlap between what the body needs from an energetic standpoint
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and what we are actually testing and delivering. And then we've got a lot of people, you know,
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searching for answers or just experiencing symptoms and assuming that it's normal or it's a part
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of X, Y and Z. It's a part of security. It's a part of, you know, being in your 20s. It's a part
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of being pregnant. It's a part of like aging, you know, just making these assumptions. And you
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ask me what would happen? Like if we, if we could learn more, right? It could implement this in a
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very practical, efficient way, right? Not, not overwhelming folks, but just being like, these
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are the five or six things you should be checking over and over again. Then you could probably not
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only prevent so much chronic disease and so many things that both men and women are dealing with
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today. But we could delay aging, you know what I mean? Or we could define aging where aging isn't
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necessarily you losing your brain or your mobility or succumbing to a chronic disease. But aging
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is more just sort of this natural evolution into a different role that over time, you know,
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when that role ends, you're done, you know, that type of thing. But not so much this like disease burden
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associated with aging that I think is what makes this fear full of aging. Most, if you talk about
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everything, most of them are scared of aging. They don't think there's no positive connotation
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with aging, which is something that I think would change if they saw a lot more vibrant energetic,
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healthy people walking around. I mean, look how inspired we are now about women who are in their
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fifties or even in their sixties and they're strong and they're healthy and they look amazing.
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You know, that gives a lot of hope to younger generations. I think we need to do the same,
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you know, in terms of setting up like what 70 or 80 could look like when you're paying attention
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to mitochondrial health. Yeah, well, there's a few standouts in that, right? There's that woman
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who lifts weights at 80 and who, I mean, you know, she's an icon. But she's won in a million.
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Right. And I think part of it is how we think of aging, what we think we can and should be doing
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as we age. Right. And that's evolved over time. But the one thing I wanted, there's one question
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I wanted to ask you before we move on to the next thing, which is what do you think the consequences
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are of just the flip side, right? What do you think the consequences are of just dumping hormones
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into a system that is under siege? So I'm so glad you asked me that because I spend a lot of
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time talking about that over and over again and kind of being sort of put in this position opposite
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of your conventional GYN or some of the folks that are just giving hormones. You know, hormones
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have to be broken down. They have to be metabolized. They have to be used and the cells have to be
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able to respond to them effectively. If you look at any hormone pathway, not to geek out here,
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but if you look at any hormone pathway and look at the metabolism of an estrogen or a progesterone
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or a testosterone, it is all dependent on certain key nutrients and those nutrients being able to
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move that hormone through the body effectively and then presenting to the liver and being able to
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move through the liver effectively. Those are all dependent on a healthy mitochondria that can do
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the work it needs to do. So for example, if you are low in B vitamins or you are low in magnesium,
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then you are not going to metabolize estrogen effectively. You're going to store or hold onto
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that hormone in your tissue. So you're getting hormone replacement therapy over here. Maybe the
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blood work says yay, good job. Your estrogen levels are better, but because you are lacking nutrients
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and some of the key things you need, you're holding onto those metabolites of estrogen,
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maybe in breast tissue or in your uterus or in your fat or in all these different places,
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which again can be a disease burden in the long term. So again, we've got to think,
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not to use the word, but we've got to think holistically about even hormone replacement therapy
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and about what a hormone actually needs to be able to do its job in the right way versus the
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wrong way. I could say the same thing about testosterone, right? And it's like, okay, all the guys
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want testosterone. Great. But if you give testosterone to a guy whose cortisol levels out of control
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or who doesn't have an avesing, right, or who's guts not working really well, that level just goes
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up. It doesn't get metabolized. The next thing you know, they're hemoglobin, they're hematocritz
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going up as well. They're clotting and that testosterone starts to work against them. So everything
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has a sweet spot in the human body, right? Everything has a sweet spot and everything is dependent
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on something else. And so you've got to be able to connect the dots on some of this stuff,
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or you're really only helping people 50% of the way, but not the whole way there.
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Yeah. And you're helping them get better number, like it's like a vanity number,
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right? Without the full suite of associated benefits that you should be entitled to with that
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number. Right. Exactly. Yikes. Okay. Let's get back to women's health, women's specific stuff again.
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So you know, it's, we hear that less than 2% of global R&D funding goes to women's health. And
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I feel like that's starting to change, but at least the talk is there. But global is a much
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larger picture than looking inside a little bubble. But in practical terms, what do you think that
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underfunding looks like in a clinic and in patient outcomes in general? Well, you know,
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I can't remember the year. It was in 1999 or 2000. I don't know. It was as recent, I think 1999,
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and that could be wrong on my year. So forgive me if I'm wrong, was the first time there was a call
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to include women in research. But women didn't actually enter research trials. I think the year is
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like 2003, 2004, something like that. Yeah, there were rules against using the act because we had
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cycles and we weren't predictable and static and all these other different things, right? Yeah.
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But here's what that means in real life. In real life, that means doctors like me, right, who were
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trained in the late 90s and up until now, because there's really not new research yet, have all been
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trained on standard, quote unquote, everyone wants to throw standard of care in your face, right? Well,
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that's not standard of care. This is not the standard of care. Those standards of care have been
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predicated on studies done on men, primarily not on women. So we are telling people to take this
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medicine, do this procedure, follow this particular thing on studies that really didn't even meet
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our demographic to begin with. So it's not meeting women where they are. So it's an incredible
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disservice when it comes to women's health. So that's a big sort of push and pull in the women's
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health community is that you want to be able to think about women individually, cyclically,
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but the studies are not there to maybe support that work, which is why I always tell women,
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your story is so important, your experience is so important because if we're going to keep
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falling on the sort of science, the science isn't there yet to justify a lot of what people are
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recommending. So I think that's a big red flag and that's a problem. And yes, there's a push now
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on funding for women's health stuff. But remember, you know, by the time you do a study,
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right? And by the time you present that study and try to get it published, you've got another
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generation of women cranking through the medical system, right? So it's almost like another 15, 20
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years are going to go by before like, oh my gosh, we got it wrong. This is different. Now we
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saw that with the Women's Health Initiative, right? The Women's Health Initiative was a study
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that looked at post-manopausal women on hormone replacement therapy of a specific kind,
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preramarine, right? Which was horse estrogen. And the results of that study, you know,
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halfway through were so problematic that everybody halted the study and said, hormones were bad
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for everybody. But they generalized it to everybody. Whereas the study really only looked at women,
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I think there were somewhere above 65 and not thinking about it for women in their 40s or 50s
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or, you know, all these other women. So women have suffered, a whole generation of women's
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suffered because they couldn't take hormones because of a flawed study. And so I think if we learn
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anything from the research arm of this stuff is that A, we need more research when it comes to
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anything. And we need varied research. We can't have research from one vantage point. And then
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I think B is like, if we're going to do women's health research, you know, you've got to look at
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the different variables when it comes to being a woman. We are not static or linear. We have
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cycles, you know, we cycle in so many different ways. We play different roles throughout our lives.
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And you've got to figure out a way to do research that addresses some of those variables when it
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just comes to being a woman. Yeah, 100 percent. That's so true. Do you think that the the
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Ayurvedic and traditional Chinese medicine have done a better job of accounting for women,
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for gender specific protocols that isn't they have, right? Like it's baked into their to their
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for that reason alone, they should be serving as a reference point, I think, for so much so it's
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baked into their, you know, methodology is baked into their formula, you know, they have formulas
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for so many different aspects of women's health. And very prescriptive formulas that have been
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handed down over time. So yes, I do think they they do a much better job.
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Got a better job. Well, so it's great that, you know, for physicians who can dip into both
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into both those worlds, is there a dialogue that happens between mitochondria and hormone
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specifically? 100 percent. I mean, I think that if you don't have the cellular health to produce
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the hormone or to manage a hormone or to metabolism hormone, then you're going to have hormone decline
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or hormone decay much faster. So, you know, one of the the crises sort of the people talk about
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right now is the infertility crisis, right? Like, you know, the birth rate going down, people
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having trouble getting pregnant, that is a decline in cellular energy at the end of the day.
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It's a hormone crash caused by sort of what's happening to the cell, right? So so these two ideas
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are very closely linked together and very interdependent on one another. mitochondrial health,
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cellular health, mitochondrial health is hormone health. You can't separate the two out from one
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another. mitochondrial health is brain health. It's also muscle health. You know, it's also joint
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health, you know, there's just so much when it comes to mitochondrial health that that inner connects
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the dots. And you actually work with an organization that I got to know very recently after a
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podcast I released in December, which blew my mind, called Countdown, you know, which is an
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organization that focuses on funding mitochondrial research, really. Did I get that right?
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Yes, you did. And I'm super, I mean, you know, our missions are identical. So the mission of
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whole plus, which is our platform and clinics, is very identical to the mission of Countdown,
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where it's really to push this forefront of science further faster and bring it into exam rooms
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and clinical treatment options in a way that benefits, you know, patients across across the globe.
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And I think when it comes to Countdown, they're very focused on the mitochondrial component of
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this, right? Like what does mitochondrial health mean? Do you even know the word mitochondria? Do
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you know to ask for that? You know, what is this role in cellular health and women's health
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men's health pediatrics? And I think, you know, historically, even doctors, you know, we were trained
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to think about mitochondrial health in the context of disease, right? We memorized all these diseases
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in the mitochondria that presented in pediatrics, diseases that present as adult. But we didn't think
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of it in terms of an option for prevention and optimization for our patients and how if we thought
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ahead, right, we didn't wait till the disease pattern emerged, but if we thought in a little bit
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more advanced way and in a little bit more of a preventive way, then you could really change
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outcomes and you could also improve prevention, optimization, hormone health, fertility, all these
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determinants that we're struggling with today. So, you know, I was attracted to the organization
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because they were so focused and targeted on this very, you know, unrecognized area of health
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that I feel like for now and for the future and for future generations needs to really take
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priority. Yeah, I'm with you. And one of the things they highlight actually is in some of the work
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and I think you're very involved in this as well is this concept of ovarian aging as one of the
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earliest aging signals in women. And I've had a couple of guests over the years talk about this
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and at the beginning, people kind of thought they were crazy. And at this point, it's becoming
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much more accepted that looking at the ovaries that are this super dense mitochondrial dense
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organ in women, which makes sense, just as the testes are in men, like help the audience to
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understand, connect this idea of ovarian aging to an overall aging process in the individual
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for longevity. Well, I think it's so for female longevity, our ovaries have a lot to do with it,
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right? Like our ovaries are responsible for producing the hormone and are very tied to our fertility
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cycles, all these different things. And so historically, female longevity or the vitality of a
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female has been tied to her ovarian function. Now, at the root of ovarian function is mitochondrial
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health. That's really what's determining it so much so that we know that people who have had a
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lot of disease conditions, who have poor nutrition, have all of these things that impact mitochondrial
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health usually go into perimenopause and menopause much earlier than a counterpart who's paid attention
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to it. So the fact that we are understanding more than just anecdotally that we can actually
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reverse ovarian age by paying attention to mitochondrial health is super exciting. And we see it in
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procedures like PRP for the vaginal area or for the cervical area where you can literally regenerate
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different areas because you're replenishing it with fresh cells that have fresh mitochondria.
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All of these are things that are kind of on the forefront and are super exciting. And
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mean for women, we don't have to have this kind of timestamp on us, right? Like, okay,
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freeze your eggs, but the time you're 40, otherwise your chances of having a child are off.
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But it's not just about fertility. I mean, remember estrogen, progesterone, testosterone,
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all these hormones are also about just our daily functioning, like how we think and how we feel and
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how we look. So I feel like if we could understand what it takes to reverse ovarian age,
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you know, we have unlocked, you know, the potential for women to be productive and vibrant, you know,
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far beyond what our expectations have been in the past. For sure. And I actually just had this
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conversation with someone and it's not necessarily about that we want to have babies in our 60s and
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our 70s. I don't think most women would want that. I certainly wouldn't. I love the door,
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the babies, and having them younger, I think, is the way to go. But it's really this concept that
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the aging of the ovaries affects, or either is a symptom or affects the whole system, like the
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brain, the bones, the muscles, like the whole body just kind of follow suit. Yeah. And if we can
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end to your point, whether it's reversing it or even frankly slowing it down, if we get started
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earlier, we could maybe have a much greater impact. It's always easier to slow down the train,
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I think. I think so too. And I think that, you know, we know what the effects of losing your hormones
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or losing that, you know, that very vital force is probably what I would call it are. I mean,
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we can't pretend you can, you know, you can do a really good job with your nutrition and your
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workouts, but there's something to losing your hormones that is very profound, you know. And I
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think that the longer we can keep that rhythm going for women, the better. Yeah. Let's talk about
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countdown for a minute before we say goodbye. Give us a very, your 22nd elevator pitch, help people
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to understand, you know, what gap are they really feeling in this world of mitochondrial health
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and by extension women's health? Well, I think first of all, there's just not the research dollars
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right now behind mitochondrial health period end of story, even for some of the diseases,
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it is not a focus. And so one of the things that they are doing is working with some of the key
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scientists across the country and the researchers that Stanford and other leading institutions
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to really help, you know, fund some of the research that needs to happen. And some of the stories
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that are coming out, whether it's, you know, understanding chronic fatigue a little bit better,
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understanding some of the cognitive disorders a little bit better, some of the muscle myopathies,
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a little bit better, you know, those are incredible with some of the work that's coming out of there.
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So they're really funding some of this critical research at some of the institutions
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across the country that are involved in it because the funding has not been there. So I think
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that is their number one piece of the puzzle. I think the second is the next place that they
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are focusing is what it means in the longevity world. What does it mean for longevity? What
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does it mean for optimization? And how do we improve things like pediatrics and women's health
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by a spreading more awareness about the mitochondria, but be coming up with ways to make it realistic to
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test and to measure for the average patient in the exam room. And I think, you know, as they continue
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to work on both of those campaigns, right, funding research, spreading awareness, making sure everybody
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knows the word mitochondria and then knows how to translate that into a practical, you know,
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into practical applications. I think they're doing that work that I don't know of anyone else doing.
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So I'm super excited, you know, to kind of get behind this and kind of get this train moving
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so that it can make a difference in patient's lives. And one of the other things they do really
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well or that they're striving to do really well is, you know, if you look at mitochondrial
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medicine, it's probably still following the model of conventional medicine that is siloed,
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like for the heart, for the brain, for the this, for that. And I think what their vision is,
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is to kind of start to build bridges between all these different areas so that it's what you've
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said all along in this episode, if there's a foundational problem in mitochondria and the body,
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it's going to affect every single system. Maybe one more than the other at any given time,
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but it's a foundationally, it's an energy issue at that cellular level. And the other thing that
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you said that I think is really important when we're talking about an organization like Hounddown
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is that gap that philanthropy is trying to fill, right? Because when it comes to this early-stage
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science, the research dollars just aren't there. They aren't there. Yeah, they might come in later,
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but they're not there. So we need organizations like Hounddown. We're going to push medicine
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forward faster, right? Otherwise, we're going to be in these 20-year loops of waiting for things
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to come out in a whole generation of people kind of going through the system. Yeah. All right,
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we're going to close up. I have a couple more questions for you if you still have a few
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for a minute for us. Okay, I have three minutes. Three minutes, it's pretty exciting. Okay,
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in 10 years, what will seem primitive about how you currently treat women's health?
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I think in 10 years, we will have the technology and the clinical protocols to assess women,
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I mean, to assess hormones and cellular health on every woman of every age.
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What excites you most right now? Hormones, mitochondria, AI, microbiome science,
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wearables, something else? What excites me most right now is the ability to integrate
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all this knowledge into one system. I feel like, yes, we have, again, to me, you have AI,
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you have this, you have that, you have, you have a lot of information, but the magic for me is how
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that information integrates into a profile for you. And so that's where I spent a lot of my time
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thinking and innovating and trying to understand what's next. All right, last one. For listeners who
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want to support the future of medicine, what should they be paying attention to right now?
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If you want to support the future of medicine, pay attention to where research dollars go and
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make sure you're supporting causes that are trying to push medicine forward, especially for women,
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I always say, especially for children as well. All right, thank you so much, Dr. Taz. I'd
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love to invite you to tell people where they can find you and learn more about your work and your
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clinic. And the thing I'll just say before that is if anybody's interested in learning more,
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you can go to join countdown.org. And for you, Dr. Taz, your clinics and your contact
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group. Definitely. Well, you can follow me on Instagram at Dr. Taz MD is DR Taz MD and pretty
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active there. I have a show, the whole plus podcast where we're all was kind of poking and pushing
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medicine forward a little bit so you can check out the podcast on Apple or Spotify and then you can
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learn more about our clinics and our team at wholeplus.co. That's h-o-l-p-l-u-s.co where we have
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clinics across the nation and providers that are actually doing this work day in and day out in
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the exam room. Dr. Taz, thank you so much. I know you've got to fly. It's been an absolute pleasure
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to meet you and to have this conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. If folks, just a quick
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reminder that all of the information presented in this podcast is for information purposes only,
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no medical advice, no diagnosing, no treatments suggested here. Before you try anything that you
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hear about or learn about here, make sure that you check with your medical provider.
